From beckwith@ime.net Thu Jan 1 01:22:49 2004 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Thu Jan 1 01:22:57 2004 Subject: WABI-TV rebroadcasts 50th Anniversary special tonight References: <001701c3cfae$ea5676a0$5721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <010b01c3d02f$af2a9670$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> I ended up watching this tonight - though it was 90 minutes long (compared to 60 for Channel 6's retrospective) it had a lot more ads and was padded with snippets of old CBS programs. If you've seen the Northeast Historic Film tape "Maine's Television Time Machine" of WABI's early history a lot of it is nothing new - and as with WCSH-TV much of the visual record of the station's first few years exists only in still photographs. I can't believe they want $39.95 for a tape of the program! (VHS only, of course) The legendary George Hale, btw, is on the mend following gallbladder surgery, though if WABI-AM's website is to be believed he's also had a lobotomy (http://wabi-am.clearchannel.com/george_hale.html.) Can't wait for WVII's 50th - can you say "Stacey's Country Jamboree?" Ayuh! Take care, Chris From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 02:25:08 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 1 02:25:17 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031231172007.0254e258@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20040101072508.24085.qmail@web60810.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > Huh? Never heard of that one. Perhaps you mean > Radio Free Brattleboro? No, there's a pirate up in Burl. VT, too! But thanks to VT Public Radio, I doubt they're using 107.9 up THAT way! :) From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 1 04:35:14 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu Jan 1 04:35:41 2004 Subject: WNEU Retrospective Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040101043355.025317a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Thanks to the good folks who are planning a WNEU (Northeastern University) reunion, we now have a website filled with interesting memorabilia that some of you might get a kick out of: http://home.earthlink.net/~wneu_radio560/ From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 1 10:14:02 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 1 10:08:38 2004 Subject: Fybush(es) coming to Boston... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101101100.02e2c228@gwind.pair.com> Assuming the weather holds up, yours truly, along with spouse and all-important baby, will be heading to New England in a few days. We'll be in southeastern Connecticut Saturday night and Sunday, then in Boston from Sunday until Wednesday or possibly Thursday. E-mail me off list if there's significant interest in a NERW lunch or dinner sometime next week...and Garrett and I are very interested in hearing from anyone who can get us a tour of the new (well, not so new anymore) Greater Media studios and of the Pru transmitter site. (A couple of other sites are already on the agenda.) And Jibguy, how about an LTAR taping? s From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 10:38:54 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Jan 1 10:40:00 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS References: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu><003901c3d023$1027ea70$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <002701c3d07d$7f61a160$19eefea9@dstrassberg> There is also a proposal fielded by Motorola and a partner company whose name I can't recall to create "truly interactive radio broadcasting" based on receivers (car radios, at first) built around Moto's DSP-based Symphony chips. Moto says that its technology is compatible both with RDS AND with iBiquity's HDRadio. The idea is that when you hear a commercial that contains a call to action, you punch a button on the radio and the radio captures in its memory information about the item that was offered for sale and the method of contacting the advertiser or its agent. The radio station has transmitted that information inaudibly either via RDS or over an inaudible digital channel of the HDRadio system. Using a wireless BlueTooth connection, the radio then transmits this stored information to your cell phone, which either automatically dials the specified phone number and places an order for you using credit-card information stored either in the radio or the cell phone, or it transmits the equivalent information--also via Bluetooth--to your PDA. If you are using the PDA as part of the ordering function, when you alight from the car and place the PDA in its cradle next to your PC, the information is uploaded to the PC, which adds the credit-card info (in this scenario, only the PC--not the radio or the PDA--stores the credit-card info) and transmits the stored order(s) to the merchants via the PC's network connection (which can be either high-speed or dialup). After the orders have been transmitted, the PDA's order memory is flushed to prevent accidental duplicate orders. Motorola says that although the process takes a lot of words to explain, it would be duck soup for listeners to use. Hear a commercial, press a button, the mechandise arrives by whatever shipping method is appropriate--downloads included--and your credit card is automatically billed. The claim is that, currently (that is, without benefit of "interactive radio"), radio produces the lowest respose rates of any method of advertising. (Maybe the survey didn't include matchbook covers.) Interactive Radio's drastically simplified ordering and billing would completely change that situation. Of course, before the system could have any significant impact, quite a few of the new receivers would have to be placed in service and quite a few radio stations would have to participate. For nationally distributed products, however, the system might be more efficient when used in conjunction with satellite radio (XM, Sirius) than with terrestrial radio. Sure sounds like a Brave New World--an Orwellian Brave New World--to me! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Beckwith To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS > The New York Times has a story about Clear Channel, Infinity and other radio > station owners looking into using RDS to add a text message to radio ads in > order to increase impact and give the medium a bigger share of the advertising > pie. An ad campaign starting in January for a small bank in North Carolina is to > use this technology. Naderites are up in arms, saying motorists will be dying > in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to switch banks. Radio > gets results! > > Take care, > Chris From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 1 10:59:22 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 1 10:59:28 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Chris: Naderites are up in arms, saying > motorists will be dying > in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to > switch banks. Radio > gets results! Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. Happy Gnu Year, Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vt. From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 1 11:02:47 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:02:47 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <20040101072508.24085.qmail@web60810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c3d080$b3e5f7d0$7200a8c0@livingroom> > --- Larry Weil wrote: > > > Huh? Never heard of that one. Perhaps you mean > > Radio Free Brattleboro? > Bob Nelson: > No, there's a pirate up in Burl. VT, too! But thanks > to VT Public Radio, I doubt they're using 107.9 > up THAT way! :) I find it interesting that any unauthorized users aren't simply shut down as soon as they are discovered. Seems like a clear cut example of a federal law violation. Bill O'Neill From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 11:04:52 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:05:00 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS References: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <001d01c3d080$fe45e290$6400a8c0@tony> Well, technically, the Naderites are right and as we have all seen, other motorist distractions, like the stereo dials, food, kids in the car, etc., have caused more accidents than cell phones. I think this idea is a bad one and I don't think it will work. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Chris Beckwith'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS > Chris: > Naderites are up in arms, saying > > motorists will be dying > > in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to > > switch banks. Radio > > gets results! > > Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the > guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is > radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. > > Happy Gnu Year, > > Bill O'Neill > Shoreham, Vt. > From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 1 11:17:57 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:17:56 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <002701c3d07d$7f61a160$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001d01c3d082$d24b4520$7200a8c0@livingroom> Dan Strassberg: > For nationally distributed products, however, the system might be more > efficient when used in conjunction with satellite radio (XM, > Sirius) than > with terrestrial radio. Sure sounds like a Brave New > World--an Orwellian > Brave New World--to me! I agree. And thanks for that great explanation of how the serpentine process would work. If the calls to action are audible cues (how else to sell the concept?) then what's the real reason for a physical display on the radio unit? It should not need to put so much value-added info on display creating another cockpit distraction, IMHO. I, for one, would give it a try, at least once, just to see how it goes. I'd also do it more with stations that I support and want to encourage. A chain station (that doesn't at least try to be local) would never, ever, get my biz in that manner. I'd just listen...for free. Could expand to be a confidence vote for stations who could turn the data in to sales information. Bill O'Neill From RogerKola@aol.com Thu Jan 1 11:21:18 2004 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:21:33 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? Message-ID: <105.3ce47bc4.2d25a2fe@aol.com> The FCC states that they are very "shorthanded," (as their handling of LPFM seems to indicate) and they seem to only respond to "formally" filed complaints, at least in some of the other bands and services. For excitement, make a transmission on a police frequency, that will light up you New Year... By the way, the Best of the New Year to all! Roger WA1KAT In a message dated 01/01/04 11:02:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, billo@shoreham.net writes: > I find it interesting that any unauthorized users aren't simply shut down as > soon as they are discovered. Seems like a clear cut example of a federal > law > violation. > > Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 1 11:30:38 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:25:15 2004 Subject: Fybush(es) coming to Boston... In-Reply-To: <000401c3d07e$0980d280$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101101100.02e2c228@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101113006.02e39ce0@gwind.pair.com> At 10:43 AM 1/1/2004 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Scott: Please give us the dates for your trip. For example, are the Saturday >and Snday to which you refer January 3 and 4 or January 10 and 11? Jan. 3 and 4 in Connecticut, then Jan. 4-7 or thereabouts in Boston. s From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 1 11:25:41 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:25:40 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <001d01c3d080$fe45e290$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <001e01c3d083$e68f25a0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Tony: > Well, technically, the Naderites are right and as we have all > seen, other > motorist distractions, like the stereo dials, food, kids in > the car, etc., > have caused more accidents than cell phones. I've added "EMT" to what I do over the past year. Having dealt with a decent share of motorist crashes, (and it's all pretty much volunteer up here) I'm not thrilled with yet another excuse for motorists not to do the best thing and that's to just drive the car. As with my other post, it sounds like the visual display is not truly necessary for the whole deal to work. A verbal cue to act (voiced in the spot or by a sounder) could trigger the desired action by the unwitting customer just as well as a couple of lines of scolled text on a teenie screen next to the heater knob. By the way, NY's hands-free rule went into effect last year. (I have to remind myself everytime I head over the border in Crown Point or Hampton.) The jury is still out on the distractables in cars. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 11:38:53 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:38:59 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: At 10:59 AM -0500 1/1/04, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the >guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is >radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. But they'll keep losing listeners if they continue taking away diverse formats, as recently happened with WBOQ. Yea, I know, the lowest common denominator thing, while the wal-marts and other big-box stores appeal to that crowd, there are still numerous successful specialty stores. Without the specialty stores (formats), overall radio listening declines, and eventually people look for the alternatives to the big box stores, and if they don't find them in radio, they'll find them in satellite or at the local CD store. After all, can you buy a new car that does not come equipped with a CD player? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 11:43:50 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:43:55 2004 Subject: Fybush(es) coming to Boston... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101113006.02e39ce0@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101101100.02e2c228@gwind.pair.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040101113006.02e39ce0@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: At 11:30 AM -0500 1/1/04, Scott Fybush wrote: > >Jan. 3 and 4 in Connecticut, then Jan. 4-7 or thereabouts in Boston. I have all-day plans for Jan 4 (Sun), and for early afternoon on Jan 5, but would attend if there was something around dinnertime on Jan 5 (Mon). -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:12:11 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:11:13 2004 Subject: Gregg Daniels Leaving Mix 98-5 Message-ID: <004301c3d08a$658783b0$64f88018@markscomputer> All Access reporting that WBMX (98.5 Boston) afternoon drive jock Gregg Daniels is leaving the station after 12 years to take a new position to be announced. Unknown if that new position is in Boston or elsewhere. The search is on for a replacement. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:28:25 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:27:27 2004 Subject: WNEU Retrospective References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040101043355.025317a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <005401c3d08c$aa2e0f50$64f88018@markscomputer> Donna Halper wrote: > Thanks to the good folks who are planning a WNEU(Northeastern University) reunion, we now have a website filled with >interesting memorabilia that some of you might get a kick out of: Great photo of our "Auntie Donna" in studio from 1968, with then state of the art (now museum pieces) equipment to work with. Love that old rotary dial for the phone!! Also saw a pic of Norm Thibualt, who was at WHEB Portsmouth NH for several years, more recently with WWBB Providence RI & WODS Boston. I didn't know he was a Northeastern alum. Mark Watson From paul@03038.com Thu Jan 1 12:40:55 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:42:12 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <001d01c3d080$fe45e290$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <009d01c3d08e$b6a7f5a0$0e87fea9@q0002> More people die from FALLING ASLEEP at the wheel than from any other distrations. Nader is a blowhard IMHAHO! (If Nader wants to go the whole 9 yards, he should push from banning all communication devices, including radio..and make all cars 1 passanger vehicles so we drivers don't get distracted by our passangers!) -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of tony schinella Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:05 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS Well, technically, the Naderites are right and as we have all seen, other motorist distractions, like the stereo dials, food, kids in the car, etc., have caused more accidents than cell phones. I think this idea is a bad one and I don't think it will work. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Chris Beckwith'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: RE: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS > Chris: > Naderites are up in arms, saying > > motorists will be dying > > in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to > > switch banks. Radio > > gets results! > > Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the > guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is > radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. > > Happy Gnu Year, > > Bill O'Neill > Shoreham, Vt. > From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 1 12:55:47 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:50:24 2004 Subject: Fybush(es) in Boston In-Reply-To: <200401011700.i01H03xO059240@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101125522.02e44168@gwind.pair.com> At 12:00 PM 1/1/2004 -0500, boston-radio-interest-request@rolinin.BostonRadio.org wrote: >I have all-day plans for Jan 4 (Sun), and for early afternoon on Jan 5, >but would attend if there was something around dinnertime on Jan 5 (Mon). Monday night's a non-starter...that's Mrs. F.'s birthday! :-) s From paul@03038.com Thu Jan 1 12:36:30 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:52:07 2004 Subject: WNEU Retrospective In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040101043355.025317a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <009c01c3d08e$b4441500$0e87fea9@q0002> For a second there, I was wondering why Ch 60 would be having "El Reunion" after less than 1 ano en espanol! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:35 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: WNEU Retrospective Thanks to the good folks who are planning a WNEU (Northeastern University) reunion, we now have a website filled with interesting memorabilia that some of you might get a kick out of: http://home.earthlink.net/~wneu_radio560/ From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 1 14:14:51 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:15:39 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? Message-ID: >>I find it interesting that any unauthorized users aren't simply shut down as soon as they are discovered. Seems like a clear cut example of a federal law violation.<< Clear-cut though it may be, it's not nearly that simple. The FCC monitoring stations and trucks can't be everywhere at once. There aren't nearly enough field agents to cover all the bases, especially in places like New York City and south Florida where pirate radio is running almost out of control. Further, when the FCC busts a pirate, it must gather enough evidence while the pirate is still on the air to be able to stand up against any later court challenges, including time-stamped recordings of both audio and data from the Commission's monitoring equipment. It's a process that takes time. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 1 14:25:11 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:25:36 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS Message-ID: >>Nader is a blowhard IMHAHO!<< Nader is a know-nothing blowhard when it comes to auto safety. Knowing perfectly well how statistics can be twisted to fit an agenda, when the abolishment of the 55/65 national speed limit came up for a vote in Congress, Nader literally made up a statistic out of thin air, with absolutely no basis or proof in any previous statistics. He made a dire prediction of 6400 additional highway deaths each year if the NMSL were to be abolished. Not only has that figure not materialized...not only has the highway death rate continued its 50-year decline...but people who worked with Nader and his auto-safety clone, Joan Claybrook, revealed that the figure was made up. Come to think of it, by joining the liars' club I guess he IS qualified to be President after all. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 1 15:17:55 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Jan 1 15:18:00 2004 Subject: Fybush(es) coming to Boston... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c3d0a4$587ae990$c3ec33d1@alvin> The early evening of Jan 5th would work for us. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Larry Weil > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:44 AM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Fybush(es) coming to Boston... > > > At 11:30 AM -0500 1/1/04, Scott Fybush wrote: > > > >Jan. 3 and 4 in Connecticut, then Jan. 4-7 or thereabouts in Boston. > > I have all-day plans for Jan 4 (Sun), and for early afternoon on Jan > 5, but would attend if there was something around dinnertime on Jan 5 > (Mon). > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 1 16:20:58 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:21:58 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <001d01c3d080$fe45e290$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <3FF448EA.29573.692A07@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 11:04, tony schinella wrote: > Well, technically, the Naderites are right and as we have all seen, other > motorist distractions, like the stereo dials, food, kids in the car, etc., > have caused more accidents than cell phones. I think this idea is a bad > one and I don't think it will work. True. But also, what happens right now when we're driving along, and the commercial on the radio gives a number to call or a Website to check, etc.? I have a small voice recorder that I can reach easily and record the information. If I didn't have that, I might be tempted to try to write it down while driving. More distraction. A way for a radio to take down the information from a commercial with little distraction to the driver, so that we could follow-up later, would be a great convenience. But a system which encourages the driver to act right away, with credit card billing, while the driver's attention should be on driving, is not not exactly consumer-friendly. I'd love to see the lawsuit when someone gets something other than what they thought they had ordered. Or it turns out to cost more than they expected. Or they pushed the button on their dashboard, but don't remember it by the time the merchandise arrives because the system didn't print out a record for them. And what happens if the credit card is declined? Will the driver be prompted to provide another credit card number, while driving? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 1 16:20:58 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:22:00 2004 Subject: WNEU Retrospective In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040101043355.025317a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <3FF448EA.4469.692AE2@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 4:35, Donna Halper wrote: > Thanks to the good folks who are planning a WNEU (Northeastern University) > reunion, we now have a website filled with interesting memorabilia that > some of you might get a kick out of: Wow, dig that hot chick with the long, flowing hair! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 1 16:20:58 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:25:09 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <105.3ce47bc4.2d25a2fe@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FF448EA.27435.692A7B@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 11:21, RogerKola@aol.com wrote: > The FCC states that they are very "shorthanded," (as their handling of > LPFM seems to indicate) and they seem to only respond to "formally" filed > complaints, at least in some of the other bands and services. Well, Newt Gingrich did talk about abolishing the FCC. When you would like to abolish a government program and can't get away with doing so, you sabotage it instead -- cut its budget so that it can't do what it's supposed to do and appoint people to its board who are opposed to the program. Then, when the agency doesn't do its job, you use it as an example of the claim that government programs don't work. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 1 16:33:08 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:33:13 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: <3FF448EA.27435.692A7B@localhost> Message-ID: <003b01c3d0ae$d9dcf7d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? > Well, Newt Gingrich did talk about abolishing the FCC. When you would like to abolish a > government program and can't get away with doing so, you sabotage it instead -- cut its > budget so that it can't do what it's supposed to do and appoint people to its board who are > opposed to the program. Then, when the agency doesn't do its job, you use it as an > example of the claim that government programs don't work. Anyone have any numbers on the FCC budget? I would be shocked if it has actually been reduced in the last 20 years. I bet it has increased very year. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 1 16:45:30 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:45:32 2004 Subject: FCC Budget Message-ID: <005b01c3d0b0$936be890$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, billings@suscom-maine.net writes: Anyone have any numbers on the FCC budget? I would be shocked if it has actually been reduced in the last 20 years. I bet it has increased very year. Hi Dan- SOMEwhere I have the numbers... but it HAS icreased 10-fold over the past 7 years or so.... no doubt a lot of it to do with emerging technology. ----BB From news@southstation.org Thu Jan 1 16:46:19 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:46:27 2004 Subject: WNEU Retrospective In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040101043355.025317a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Wow, nice to hear the Bedbug's greatest hits! And I never realized that WNEU used the PAMS Series jingles too. -Larry Lovering > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Donna Halper > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:35 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: WNEU Retrospective > > > Thanks to the good folks who are planning a WNEU (Northeastern > University) > reunion, we now have a website filled with interesting memorabilia that > some of you might get a kick out of: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~wneu_radio560/ > > > From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 1 17:00:22 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 1 16:59:07 2004 Subject: Gregg Daniels Leaving Mix 98-5 In-Reply-To: <004301c3d08a$658783b0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040101165857.00a7cbd0@pop3.bit-net.com> Mark Watson wrote: > All Access reporting that WBMX (98.5 Boston) afternoon drive jock Gregg >Daniels is leaving the station after 12 years to take a new position to be >announced. Unknown if that new position is in Boston or elsewhere. The >search is on for a replacement. The rumors on radio-info.com (always a reliable source :-/) have him going to WNEW-FM. From RogerKola@aol.com Thu Jan 1 17:33:06 2004 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:33:25 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? Message-ID: In a message dated 01/01/04 4:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, billings@suscom-maine.net writes: > Anyone have any numbers on the FCC budget? I would be shocked if it has > actually been reduced in the last 20 years. I bet it has increased very > year. I got this far: S. 1264, FCC Reauthorization Act http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4534&sequence=0 And it will take an Attorney and an accountant to figure out all the plusses and minuses...it looks as though they over budget and justify it by saying it will be offset in fees to "broadcasters." Then there is this Act: S. 1250, Enhanced 911 Emergency Communications Act of 2003 Which is of course going to require that much spectrum be analyzed, moved, reassigned to streamline the Public Services and requirements coming out of terrorism threats and as a result of the breakdown in communications during "Twin Towers" Then a couple of these: H.R. 1320, Commercial Spectrum Enhancement Act, July 11, 2003 Covering the use of the funds gained from auctioning government spectrum to commercial users and whether it can be applied to FCC's Budget directly or go into a holding fund to be given back partially. Where is Ralph Nader when you need him? Roger WA1KAT From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 19:10:59 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:11:08 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ Message-ID: <20040102001059.41706.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Clea Simon writes in today's Globe about the new format at WBOQ --and yes, in case you were wondering, the new format means that the Met Opera ("first base...number 42...Mo...Vaughn"--oops, wrong Mets!) doesn't fit the format so it's gone. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/01/01/north_shore_station_picks_up_a_local_accent/ From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 19:21:51 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:21:58 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <20040102001059.41706.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040102001059.41706.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101191915.025533a8@mail.mac.com> At 07:10 PM 1/1/2004, Bob Nelson wrote: >Clea Simon writes in today's Globe about the new >format at WBOQ --and yes, in case you were wondering, >the new format means that the Met Opera ("first >base...number 42...Mo...Vaughn"--oops, wrong Mets!) >doesn't fit the format so it's gone. > >http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/01/01/north_shore_station_picks_up_a_local_accent/ > Yea, I saw the article, it's just a one-sided puff piece for the station. There's no mention of the many people displaced by the format change, and no justification for why they need to change the music in order to get a more local focus. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 1 19:56:44 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:56:50 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the > guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is > radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. One of the most annoying things about my car radio is that, while the volume controls (which would be easy to reach anyway) are duplicated in the steering wheel, the tuning knob (which requires a stretch to reach) is not. I guess they assume that most drivers will cheerfully flip through nine presets in sequence to get to the station they want, and no driver will ever listen to both AM and FM stations. -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 1 20:01:00 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:01:04 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <001b01c3d080$b3e5f7d0$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <20040101072508.24085.qmail@web60810.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c3d080$b3e5f7d0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <200401020101.i02110HQ027501@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I find it interesting that any unauthorized users aren't simply shut down as > soon as they are discovered. Seems like a clear cut example of a federal law > violation. The FCC honestly doesn't care about pirates, unless they give cause for a licensed broadcaster (or the FAA) to complain. The FCC field enforcement officers have enough to do as it is, with all the recent mandates, and they are a great deal more pragmatic than some of the people on this list, not to mention their bosses at The Portals, about the potential for sharing of spectrum. Vince did come once and shut down a Framingham pirate that I complained about, which was operating with about 100 W on 87.9 from a church downtown. It probably helped that I Cc'ed the engineering departments of channel 6 and WMBR, both of which would have had standing to complain. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 1 20:03:11 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:03:15 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101191915.025533a8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> >Yea, I saw the article, it's just a one-sided puff piece for the >station. There's no mention of the many people displaced by the format >change, and no justification for why they need to change the music in order >to get a more local focus. What justification to they need? They own the station. They can do whatever they want, regardless of marketablility. Until they sell, or otherwise lose the license, they could broadcast dialtone and be within their rights. A common misconceived thread on this list is that stations have some obligation to serve a particular audience. The days of the FCC considering that a license is "held in the public trust" are gone. Radio is strictly a commodity at this point. It is up to the owner to decide what they want to do with it, regardless of how ill conceived their actions may be. When they can't afford to run it any longer, they will either change formats, sell the station or lose the license for a variety of reasons. I personally don't think that the switch was a good idea either and I think that the idea of local focus is ridiculous. How many folks on the North Shore listened to them anyway and how many more will they gain with the format switch. At least with the old format, they had a niche in the background clutter of the other commercial stations. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 20:12:11 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:12:17 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101191915.025533a8@mail.mac.com> <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101200908.02555ae0@mail.mac.com> At 08:03 PM 1/1/2004, Brian Vita wrote: > >Yea, I saw the article, it's just a one-sided puff piece for the > >station. There's no mention of the many people displaced by the format > >change, and no justification for why they need to change the music in order > > >to get a more local focus. > >What justification to they need? They own the station. They can do >whatever they want, regardless of marketablility. Until they sell, or >otherwise lose the license, they could broadcast dialtone and be within >their rights. I wasn't talking about a legal justification. Of course they have the legal right to change format. I was talking about justification in the context of the article, in terms of justifying it to their audience, etc.. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 1 20:17:51 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:17:55 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <200401020117.i021HpvO027553@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Yea, I know, the lowest common denominator thing, while the > wal-marts and other big-box stores appeal to that crowd, there are > still numerous successful specialty stores. That's an interesting analogy, and one worth pursuing, because it points out an important difference between the world of broadcasting and the world of retailing. Except in communities with fascist zoning, the existence of a Wal-Mart or a Best Buy does not exclude the presence of a fashion boutique, a quality cutler's, or a firebottle-oriented hi-fi store. By contrast, the way the broadcast spectrum is regulated, the radio equivalents of Wal-Mart can effectively keep a ``boutique'' operator out simply by dint of owning all of the signals which could make the ``boutique'' business profitable. (It should be obvious that, unless the audience is unsuaully geographically concentrated, ``boutique'' programming requires greater geographical coverage to make up for the reduction in mass appeal if it is going to be profitable. Of course, it is also more expensive to produce than ``Wal-Mart'' programming.) The situation in broadcasting, if we are to continue to stretch this analogy, is more analogous to a company town like Reedy Creek Improvement District than it is to anything that exists here. (On the other hand, one can make a credible argument that the situation of the broadcast spectrum is very much like the situation in Eastern Mass. with supermarkets, where there has been an effective duopoly for so long that all of the potentially valuable locations are long-since locked up by the existing supermarket chains and the companies in league with them, to the extent that it would be extremely costly for any potential competitor to move in. Being vastly superior would still not make it an economic proposition for a new entrant to this market, because the cost of developing a network of entirely new site would far outweigh the potential profit.) -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 1 20:31:10 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 1 20:31:14 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101191915.025533a8@mail.mac.com> References: <20040102001059.41706.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20040101191915.025533a8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <200401020131.i021VAu1027608@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Yea, I saw the article, it's just a one-sided puff piece for the > station. There's no mention of the many people displaced by the format > change, and no justification for why they need to change the music in order > to get a more local focus.
Why should they have to justify anything to anyone? They haven't broken any laws, that I know of. Surely the only person who needs to receive any sort of justification is Mr. Tanger himself, and he has presumably already signed off on the changes.
-GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Jan 1 21:03:29 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:03:49 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <200401020131.i021VAu1027608@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20040102001059.41706.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> <200401020131.i021VAu1027608@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1073009013.D818446@s29.dngr.org> A week in Chicago showed me it is still possible to have good local radio for everyone. Chicago has slipped a notch in 15 years, but the dial is no cookie cutter yet. WGN AM does newstalk as well as anyone and WBBM has found the perfect mix of WCBS,WINS. WSCR does sports well as does WMVP. WLS makes WABC seem liberal. 1240 still is a delight. WIND owns the hispanic AM audience. One thing of note, NYC based shows do not play well there. FM WFMT is a gem, as is WXRT. Overall Chicago maybe the last great "local" market. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 1 21:31:05 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:32:08 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS References: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu><001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I have, on several occasions, rented Ford Focuses in Tampa while visitng my mom at the assisted-living facility. These were cars of several different model years. NONE of the Focus radios had manual tuning controls, unless you consider the Seek and Scan functions to be such controls. The effect of this control strategy is that you can't tune to weak stations, which the radio IS capable of receiving satisfactorily. I was able to demonstrate that effect by listening to AM skywave signals while parked. Scan or seek would stop at a strong skywave signal, which would then fade down. If I scanned or "sought" at that point, I could not get the radio to return to the station to which it had been tuned, but until the station faded so much that it was completely inaudible, the radio would not on its own scan or seek to a stronger adjacent signal. IIRC, all this technology DID include a memory of the last manually invoked tuning function, so if I had arrived at the last-tuned station by Seeking, the deep signal fade would cause the radio to simply move up the dial to the next strong station and stop on it, but if I had arrived by Scanning, the deep fade would cause the radio to commence moving from station to station pausing for about 15 sec on each station it found. The car's owner's manuals are never in the glove compartments (Enterprise must remove them), so I never have figured out how to cancel the scan function when the radio stops at a station I can live with. There has to be a way to do this or the scan function would be useless. I forget the name of the company that Ford spun off to make radios and such, but I wonder how much cost they eliminate from the radio by eliminating the tuning knob. BTW, to save dashboard space, the scan and seek buttons are really small, so finding them while driving usually requires me to take my eyes off the road. I don't think that's a safe design. If Ford or the radio manufacturer consider Scan and Seek to be so important, I think they should be implemented by multiple presses of the rotary tuning control (one press Seek up, two presses, Seek down, three presses Scan; if in Scan mode, one press would cancel Scan). I would also eliminate auto scan/seek on deep fades; in a deep fade, I would require the user to press the tuning control once to return to the last used auto-tuning function. In addition to restoring manual tuning, this design would make it easier to find the tuning function without looking away from the road. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: RE: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS > < said: > > > Gotta admit, unless they integrate the radio so that the "dial" is amidst the > > guage cluster, it does make for an odd turn of the head. Bigger downside is > > radio simply can't afford to lose any more listeners than it has already. > > One of the most annoying things about my car radio is that, while the > volume controls (which would be easy to reach anyway) are duplicated > in the steering wheel, the tuning knob (which requires a stretch to > reach) is not. I guess they assume that most drivers will cheerfully > flip through nine presets in sequence to get to the station they want, > and no driver will ever listen to both AM and FM stations. > > -GAWollman > From mlaurence@mindspring.com Thu Jan 1 21:45:57 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:46:01 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <1073009013.D818446@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 09:03 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > A week in Chicago showed me it is still possible to have good local > radio for everyone. Chicago has slipped a notch in 15 years, but the > dial is no cookie cutter yet. > > WGN AM does newstalk as well as anyone and WBBM has found the perfect > mix of WCBS,WINS. WSCR does sports well as does WMVP. WLS makes WABC > seem liberal. 1240 still is a delight. WIND owns the hispanic AM > audience. > One thing of note, NYC based shows do not play well there. > > FM WFMT is a gem, as is WXRT. > > Overall Chicago maybe the last great "local" market. Gee, I wouldn't write off Boston as a great local market. There are at least a half dozen strong local morning shows, and fierce local talk competition in the afternoon. WBZ programs news and talk locally 24 hours a day, and WEEI has little use for syndicated sports talk. The big music stations are almost 100% locally hosted and programmed, with very little voicetracking. I could probably name 50 broadcasters who have been solid Boston personalities for a decade, and many of those have been going strong for 20 years. Aside from Rush and Howard, even the biggest national names have less impact in Boston than you'll find in other cities. I'm glad to hear Chicago's doing well, but it's not the last bastion of local radio. Mark From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 1 21:58:40 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:58:44 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ Message-ID: <200401020258.VAA17347@webmail7.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:45:57, Mark Laurence wrote: > Gee, I wouldn't write off Boston as a great local market. There are at > least a half dozen strong local morning shows, and fierce local talk > competition in the afternoon. WBZ programs news and talk locally 24 > hours a day, and WEEI has little use for syndicated sports talk. The > big music stations are almost 100% locally hosted and programmed, with > very little voicetracking. I could probably name 50 broadcasters who > have been solid Boston personalities for a decade, and many of those > have been going strong for 20 years. Aside from Rush and Howard, even > the biggest national names have less impact in Boston than you'll find > in other cities. I'm glad to hear Chicago's doing well, but it's not > the last bastion of local radio. Yes, but have you ever heard the quality of much of WEEI's programming? Hosts talking over one another, callers droning on and on about irrelevant stuff, people on-air seeming clueless. Pete Sheppard wouldn't even make the cut at the Penn State student-run radio station, never mind in another big market. He overdramaticizes every little comment and every syllable; the guy's a nuisance to listen to. Guys like Neumeier and Arnold haven't a clue what they're talking about on their shows half the time when it comes to stuff they should be reading in the papers every day (i.e. the progress of the A-Rod trade...half the time I heard Arnold fumbling around while clearly not having up-to-date, as in having-read-the-papers-that-morning, news). Honestly I'd rather have a Tony Kornheiser on the air, who is sometimes clueless but a natural entertainer, than half-witted local hosts. Granted this stuff is just picked up from observations I gleaned from listening to 850 during my two-plus weeks here back in town, but in general I've never been a big WEEI fan. It's a shame WWZN's afternoon-drive show isn't getting more pub. Ryan Rusillo has a good set of pipes, very Sean McDonough-like, and he seems to know what he's talking about. He's done OK in his appearances on CN8. My afternoon sports radio choice for the time I've been back here has been 1510, especially when Ordway is on vacation. From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 1 22:00:55 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:00:58 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS Message-ID: <200401020300.WAA17406@webmail7.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:31:05, "Dan Strassberg" wrote: > I forget the name of the company that Ford spun off to make radios and such, > but I wonder how much cost they eliminate from the radio by eliminating the > tuning knob. BTW, to save dashboard space, the scan and seek buttons are > really small, so finding them while driving usually requires me to take my > eyes off the road. I don't think that's a safe design. On the last two Ford Taurus cars I've owned, I've had seek and volume buttons on the upper center of the dash, at eye level with the speedometer. If there is an out-of-reach/rimshot station that I want to listen to that much, I'll add it to a preset. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 1 22:28:30 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:28:34 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <200401020328.i023SUNv028080@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I have, on several occasions, rented Ford Focuses in Tampa while visitng my > mom at the assisted-living facility. I drove a Ford Contour for eight years, and this was the principal failing. It is in fact possible to tune these radios manually, but it requires pressing a separate "tune" button (I forget how it's actually labeled" in order to defeat the seek function, and then use the seek up/down buttons to tune the desired frequency. Definitely not compatible with high-speed driving. > I forget the name of the company that Ford spun off to make radios and such, Visteon. They also make components for other car-makers now. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 1 22:42:28 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:42:35 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401020328.i023SUNv028080@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <200401020328.i023SUNv028080@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040101224056.02573460@mail.mac.com> At 10:28 PM 1/1/2004, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > I forget the name of the company that Ford spun off to make radios and > such, > >Visteon. They also make components for other car-makers now. Whatever happened to Philco-Ford? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 1 23:18:38 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 1 23:13:03 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS Message-ID: <200401012318.AA3761307982@mail.ttlc.net> "Dan Strassberg" inquired: > so I never have figured out how to cancel the scan function when the >radio stops at a station I can live with. There has to be a way to do >this or the scan function would be useless. On the factory-supplied radio in my Merry Old Oldsmobile, pressing the Scan Button again cancels scan. From stuff@struff.com Thu Jan 1 23:26:47 2004 From: stuff@struff.com (struff's stuff) Date: Thu Jan 1 23:26:59 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401011509.i01F9CxO058774@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200401011509.i01F9CxO058774@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040101231701.020eb420@struff.com> 10:09 AM 1/1/2004: >The New York Times has a story about Clear Channel, Infinity and other radio >station owners looking into using RDS to add a text message to radio ads in >order to increase impact and give the medium a bigger share of the advertising >pie. An ad campaign starting in January for a small bank in North Carolina >is to >use this technology. Naderites are up in arms, saying motorists will be dying >in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to switch banks. Radio >gets results! I think this is a rotten idea! They should first get their RDS working correctly and then MAYBE start with this other junk, as long as it doesn't automatically scroll across my screen. I don't like anything scrolling by itself because it IS distracting. I can barely listen to NH's WHEB or Rock-101 because the constantly alternating screens of "......WGIR" and ".WGGIRR" and ".......buzz" catch my eye just enough make me look at what the latest stupid spelling mistakes are. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 1 23:35:45 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 1 23:35:56 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <3FF4AED1.22746.18468C0@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 19:56, Garrett Wollman wrote: > One of the most annoying things about my car radio is that, while the > volume controls (which would be easy to reach anyway) are duplicated in > the steering wheel, the tuning knob (which requires a stretch to reach) is > not. I guess they assume that most drivers will cheerfully flip through > nine presets in sequence to get to the station they want, and no driver > will ever listen to both AM and FM stations. Is this something new? My 1991 car still has push buttons for stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 1 23:35:45 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 1 23:35:57 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <003b01c3d0ae$d9dcf7d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FF4AED1.23120.184691F@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 16:33, Dan Billings wrote: > Anyone have any numbers on the FCC budget? I would be shocked if it has > actually been reduced in the last 20 years. I bet it has increased very > year. There are many ways to cut a budget and have it not look like a cut. Level-funding is a cut. Not increasing funding enough to cover increased operating costs is a cut. Increasing the agency's workload without increasing its budget accordingly is a cut. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mlaurence@mindspring.com Fri Jan 2 00:45:03 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri Jan 2 00:45:07 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 09:31 PM, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I have, on several occasions, rented Ford Focuses in Tampa while > visitng my > mom at the assisted-living facility. These were cars of several > different > model years. NONE of the Focus radios had manual tuning controls, > unless you > consider the Seek and Scan functions to be such controls. The effect > of this > control strategy is that you can't tune to weak stations, which the > radio IS > capable of receiving satisfactorily. I have a Ford Focus and yes, you can manually tune the radio. It's not the most intuitive system, but by pushing the Menu button once, you'll see the indication "Man" in the tuning screen. Then, the seek-scan buttons turn into a manual tuner. each click taking you 10kHz or .2 mHz up and down the dial. Try it next time. Actually it's a good quality radio and CD player, and my only complaint is the click-steps on the volume control are either too loud or too soft: I wish there was a volume level marked 2.5. Mark From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 01:41:27 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 2 01:41:40 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Brian Vita wrote: > What justification to they need? They own the > station. They can do > whatever they want, regardless of marketablility. > Until they sell, or > otherwise lose the license, they could broadcast > dialtone and be within > their rights. I've mentioned the first episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" before. IIRC, the second episode featured a man who was upset that the station changed from beautiful music to raucous rock, and he brought in some protestors-- who looked like they were from a nearby rest home-- with picket signs. I'm sure WBOQ got many emails and phone calls of protest but that won't do any good now. I just got an email from someone who must have read one of my posts and thought I worked for WBOQ. (Maybe the one where I looked up their phone numbers...) Nope, I don't work for them (though their studios and my house are both in Beverly!)...I did respond to the man's concerns and said that I approach it from two viewpoints: As a listener, it's sad to note that they changed a unique format to something that's pretty similar to what's heard on WODS, WROR, and WMJX. I personally DO like _some_ of what they're playing now (in that they've played some cuts the other stations don't play) and I am right in their age demo...but it's still regrettable that they've changed. But if you look at it from a business standpoint, you might say that they felt they could "serve the community better" (read: Make More Money) with 60s/70s pop. Then again, I'm sure a station like WOCN down on the Cape can do well with jazzy standards (then again, you wonder if that's because many older people are living on the Cape, retired folks like my Dad, who loves the station. I think it's pretty good as a change of pace.) Could WBOQ do as well with that here, if it's presented well? (Or does WOCN work because of the older demo down on Olde Cape Cod...) > A common misconceived thread on this list is that > stations have some > obligation to serve a particular audience. The days > of the FCC considering > that a license is "held in the public trust" are > gone. Radio is strictly a > commodity at this point. Remember when there was a big fuss to put country music back on the dial when WCOP dumped it? Somehow a court settlement led to some "brokered time" country on WDLW. And then there was Grandbanke which challenged WV-as-in-Victor, WVCA, saying they weren't doing enough public service, IIRC... That was THEN... > I personally don't think that the switch was a good > idea either and I think > that the idea of local focus is ridiculous. How > many folks on the North > Shore listened to them anyway and how many more will > they gain with the > format switch. At least with the old format, they > had a niche in the > background clutter of the other commercial stations. True. As for the local focus, the one thing in their defense is the fact that the signal pretty much IS confined to the North Shore... Who knows, they may gain SOME listeners, though. You could say, "the old WBOQ had a niche, giving people something different". But you could also say that (I hate to say "lowest common denominator) the new format might attract at least a few more new listeners-- and maybe more advertisers. It could be that they will pick up _slightly_ more of both, but who knows if this will REALLY make a difference in the _business_ of radio... From paul@03038.com Fri Jan 2 06:55:12 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Jan 2 06:56:28 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <3FF4AED1.23120.184691F@localhost> Message-ID: <002701c3d127$91272fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> No, Mr Barrister, Level Funding is NOT a cut. Level Funding MEANS Level Funding...This reminds me of the famous Kevin White practice of proposing a $10/1K prop tax increase in Boston, then coming back to say "Eureka! I've cut the taxes $5/1K!" which in essence becomes a $5/1K increase. I see this B.S. going on in my town, and thats why we have a 8-yr running successful Tax Cap, which at least mitigates some of the nonsense that goes on at Town Hall, and as an 8-yr Town Councilor, I know where the waste is (and believe you me there is a fair amount). And Unions make 10+% packages sound like 3% increases because the SALARY increases 3%, but when benifit increases are included, the REAL cost to taxpayers is 10%! Liberals play this game at least as well as(I'd say better than)Conservatives. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 11:36 PM To: Dan Billings Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? On 1 Jan 2004 at 16:33, Dan Billings wrote: > Anyone have any numbers on the FCC budget? I would be shocked if it has > actually been reduced in the last 20 years. I bet it has increased very > year. There are many ways to cut a budget and have it not look like a cut. Level-funding is a cut. Not increasing funding enough to cover increased operating costs is a cut. Increasing the agency's workload without increasing its budget accordingly is a cut. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 06:52:52 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 2 06:57:57 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ References: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c3d127$9ff3f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> I did actually hear a song/group that I like on WBOQ post flip. This may actually be the ONLY album cut that works for both formats: Manhattan Transfer: "Boy from New York City." I think it's a great send-up of doo-wop and, as done by M-T, it's also quite musical. (And I think Janice Segal, who sings lead on "Boy," is really HOT.) I understand that she is now recording solo. I haven't heard any of her solo recordings and I don't know whether she is still performing with the group. An interesting trivia item about M-T: all four members are left-handed (at least they were when Janice was in the group). This is NOT a comment on the group members' politics ;>). I do wonder however, if they must replace Janice, is left-handedness a selection criterion. Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: RE: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ > --- Brian Vita wrote: > > > What justification to they need? They own the > > station. They can do > > whatever they want, regardless of marketablility. > > Until they sell, or > > otherwise lose the license, they could broadcast > > dialtone and be within > > their rights. > > I've mentioned the first episode of "WKRP in > Cincinnati" before. IIRC, the second episode featured > a man who was upset that the station changed from > beautiful music to raucous rock, and he brought in > some protestors-- who looked like they were from a > nearby rest home-- with picket signs. I'm sure WBOQ > got many emails and phone calls of protest but that > won't do any good now. > > I just got an email from someone who must have read > one of my posts and thought I worked for WBOQ. (Maybe > the one where I looked up their phone numbers...) > Nope, I don't work for them (though their studios > and my house are both in Beverly!)...I did respond > to the man's concerns and said that I approach it > from two viewpoints: > > As a listener, it's sad to note that they changed a > unique format to something that's pretty similar > to what's heard on WODS, WROR, and WMJX. I personally > DO like _some_ of what they're playing now (in that > they've played some cuts the other stations don't > play) and I am right in their age demo...but it's > still regrettable that they've changed. But if you > look at it from a business standpoint, you might say > that they felt they could "serve the community better" > (read: Make More Money) with 60s/70s pop. > > Then again, I'm sure a station like WOCN down on the > Cape can do well with jazzy standards (then again, > you wonder if that's because many older people are > living on the Cape, retired folks like my Dad, > who loves the station. I think it's pretty good as a > change of pace.) Could WBOQ do as well with that here, > if it's presented well? (Or does WOCN work because > of the older demo down on Olde Cape Cod...) > > > A common misconceived thread on this list is that > > stations have some > > obligation to serve a particular audience. The days > > of the FCC considering > > that a license is "held in the public trust" are > > gone. Radio is strictly a > > commodity at this point. > > Remember when there was a big fuss to put country > music back on the dial when WCOP dumped it? Somehow > a court settlement led to some "brokered time" > country on WDLW. And then there was Grandbanke > which challenged WV-as-in-Victor, WVCA, saying they > weren't doing enough public service, IIRC... > That was THEN... > > > > I personally don't think that the switch was a good > > idea either and I think > > that the idea of local focus is ridiculous. How > > many folks on the North > > Shore listened to them anyway and how many more will > > they gain with the > > format switch. At least with the old format, they > > had a niche in the > > background clutter of the other commercial stations. > > True. As for the local focus, the one thing in their > defense is the fact that the signal pretty much IS > confined to the North Shore... Who knows, they may > gain SOME listeners, though. You could say, "the > old WBOQ had a niche, giving people something > different". But you could also say that (I hate to > say "lowest common denominator) the new format > might attract at least a few more new listeners-- > and maybe more advertisers. It could be that they > will pick up _slightly_ more of both, but who knows > if this will REALLY make a difference in the > _business_ of radio... From paul@03038.com Fri Jan 2 07:10:50 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Jan 2 07:10:15 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <002301c3d127$9ff3f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <002c01c3d129$8111d640$0e87fea9@q0002> Any takers to these 2 queries? What % of population is Left-Handed? Is Left-Handedness a dominant or recessive gene? (Ned Flanders Left-Tourium comes to mind here....to make a media connection) Jus' wunderin' -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:53 AM To: Bob Nelson Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ I did actually hear a song/group that I like on WBOQ post flip. This may actually be the ONLY album cut that works for both formats: Manhattan Transfer: "Boy from New York City." I think it's a great send-up of doo-wop and, as done by M-T, it's also quite musical. (And I think Janice Segal, who sings lead on "Boy," is really HOT.) I understand that she is now recording solo. I haven't heard any of her solo recordings and I don't know whether she is still performing with the group. An interesting trivia item about M-T: all four members are left-handed (at least they were when Janice was in the group). This is NOT a comment on the group members' politics ;>). I do wonder however, if they must replace Janice, is left-handedness a selection criterion. Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: RE: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ > --- Brian Vita wrote: > > > What justification to they need? They own the > > station. They can do > > whatever they want, regardless of marketablility. > > Until they sell, or > > otherwise lose the license, they could broadcast > > dialtone and be within > > their rights. > > I've mentioned the first episode of "WKRP in > Cincinnati" before. IIRC, the second episode featured > a man who was upset that the station changed from > beautiful music to raucous rock, and he brought in > some protestors-- who looked like they were from a > nearby rest home-- with picket signs. I'm sure WBOQ > got many emails and phone calls of protest but that > won't do any good now. > > I just got an email from someone who must have read > one of my posts and thought I worked for WBOQ. (Maybe > the one where I looked up their phone numbers...) > Nope, I don't work for them (though their studios > and my house are both in Beverly!)...I did respond > to the man's concerns and said that I approach it > from two viewpoints: > > As a listener, it's sad to note that they changed a > unique format to something that's pretty similar > to what's heard on WODS, WROR, and WMJX. I personally > DO like _some_ of what they're playing now (in that > they've played some cuts the other stations don't > play) and I am right in their age demo...but it's > still regrettable that they've changed. But if you > look at it from a business standpoint, you might say > that they felt they could "serve the community better" > (read: Make More Money) with 60s/70s pop. > > Then again, I'm sure a station like WOCN down on the > Cape can do well with jazzy standards (then again, > you wonder if that's because many older people are > living on the Cape, retired folks like my Dad, > who loves the station. I think it's pretty good as a > change of pace.) Could WBOQ do as well with that here, > if it's presented well? (Or does WOCN work because > of the older demo down on Olde Cape Cod...) > > > A common misconceived thread on this list is that > > stations have some > > obligation to serve a particular audience. The days > > of the FCC considering > > that a license is "held in the public trust" are > > gone. Radio is strictly a > > commodity at this point. > > Remember when there was a big fuss to put country > music back on the dial when WCOP dumped it? Somehow > a court settlement led to some "brokered time" > country on WDLW. And then there was Grandbanke > which challenged WV-as-in-Victor, WVCA, saying they > weren't doing enough public service, IIRC... > That was THEN... > > > > I personally don't think that the switch was a good > > idea either and I think > > that the idea of local focus is ridiculous. How > > many folks on the North > > Shore listened to them anyway and how many more will > > they gain with the > > format switch. At least with the old format, they > > had a niche in the > > background clutter of the other commercial stations. > > True. As for the local focus, the one thing in their > defense is the fact that the signal pretty much IS > confined to the North Shore... Who knows, they may > gain SOME listeners, though. You could say, "the > old WBOQ had a niche, giving people something > different". But you could also say that (I hate to > say "lowest common denominator) the new format > might attract at least a few more new listeners-- > and maybe more advertisers. It could be that they > will pick up _slightly_ more of both, but who knows > if this will REALLY make a difference in the > _business_ of radio... From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 09:44:08 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:42:56 2004 Subject: Car radios (was: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS) In-Reply-To: <000601c3d0d8$9772c3a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <001a01c3d080$3963d0e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> <200401020056.i020uiHg027470@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102093303.00a821a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >I have, on several occasions, rented Ford Focuses in Tampa while visitng my >mom at the assisted-living facility. These were cars of several different >model years. NONE of the Focus radios had manual tuning controls, unless you >consider the Seek and Scan functions to be such controls. (some snippage) >I forget the name of the company that Ford spun off to make radios and such, >but I wonder how much cost they eliminate from the radio by eliminating the >tuning knob. BTW, to save dashboard space, the scan and seek buttons are >really small, so finding them while driving usually requires me to take my >eyes off the road. I don't think that's a safe design. I"ve never seen a car radio that had -NO- manual tuning control, but this is a major annoyance of mine, too....car radios with 94 dinky little buttons (some performing different functions depending on whether you're using the radio or tape/CD). Aftermarket radios have been doing this for a long time. Tough enough just to even use it if you have large hands, but as you said, nearly impossible to adjust the radio while driving. Hey, it's hard enough to find a particular control when parked! I've never owned a vehicle new enough to have radio controls on the steering wheel, so I can't comment on Garrett's experience, though this seems to just add even more clutter. Alas, more clutter & lots of tiny buttons seems a general trend, be it automotive, or on audio/visual equipment. Give me simplicity anyday. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 09:48:54 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:47:38 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040101231701.020eb420@struff.com> References: <200401011509.i01F9CxO058774@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <200401011509.i01F9CxO058774@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102094540.00a3f780@pop3.bit-net.com> struff's stuff wrote: >I think this is a rotten idea! They should first get their RDS working >correctly and then MAYBE start with this other junk, as long as it doesn't >automatically scroll across my screen. I don't like anything scrolling by >itself because it IS distracting. I can barely listen to NH's WHEB or >Rock-101 because the constantly alternating screens of "......WGIR" and >".WGGIRR" and ".......buzz" catch my eye just enough make me look at what >the latest stupid spelling mistakes are. If I'm not mistaken, the Feds have required auto makers to only display the 8-character "station ID" field on RDS radios. There is usually a button you can press to scroll the "info" field -once- and then returns to the ID field. I think this took effect with 2003 model year. Don't know if aftermarket manufacturers are subject to this same ruling. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 09:56:44 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:55:29 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <002301c3d127$9ff3f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102095215.00a3fec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >I did actually hear a song/group that I like on WBOQ post flip. This may >actually be the ONLY album cut that works for both formats: Manhattan >Transfer: "Boy from New York City." >I think it's a great send-up of doo-wop >and, as done by M-T, it's also quite musical. (And I think Janice Segal, who >sings lead on "Boy," is really HOT.) I understand that she is now recording >solo. I haven't heard any of her solo recordings and I don't know whether >she is still performing with the group. Actually, Janis (which is how she spells it) has been doing solo projects since the mid 80s, if not before. Dunno if MT is still together...haven't heard anything from them in years. >An interesting trivia item about >M-T: all four members are left-handed (at least they were when Janice was in >the group). This is NOT a comment on the group members' politics ;>). I do >wonder however, if they must replace Janice, is left-handedness a selection >criterion. For the longest time, they never showed actual photos of the members on their albums. I always wondered if that was because the lineup was fluid. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 10:00:20 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 09:59:05 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <002c01c3d129$8111d640$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <002301c3d127$9ff3f180$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102095837.00a46760@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Any takers to these 2 queries? > >What % of population is Left-Handed? >Is Left-Handedness a dominant or recessive gene? Not sure about the first one, but it's definitely recessive. Both of my parents are southpaws, out of 4 kids: 2 rightys, one lefty and one ambidextrous (moi). From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 2 10:15:53 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri Jan 2 10:11:00 2004 Subject: Tentative Fybush get-together: TUESDAY, 1/6 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102101342.02db4818@gwind.pair.com> Since we can't get together Monday (Lisa's birthday), and it's not clear that we'll be in town yet in time for Sunday night, it looks as though Tuesday Jan. 6 will be the best opportunity we'll all have to get together, swap radio stories and show off the offspring. Drop me a line off-list if you think you'll be able to make it - probably somewhere not far from WJIB, so we can do an LTAR taping as well - and I'll start scouting out potential locations. Looking forward to seeing all of you! s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Jan 2 10:54:58 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Jan 2 10:49:22 2004 Subject: Car radios (was: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS) Message-ID: <200401021054.AA3904241816@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I've never owned a vehicle new enough to have radio controls on the >steering wheel, so I can't comment on Garrett's experience, though >this seems to just add even more clutter. Standard on the '94 Oldsmobile 88 Royale. And, a pain in the butt. Every time I turn a corner, my hand stands a chance of grazing the scan button and I lose what I'm listening to. Aggravating. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Jan 2 11:01:45 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Jan 2 10:56:12 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ Message-ID: <200401021101.AA3965124834@mail.ttlc.net> "Paul Hopfgarten" queried: >Any takers to these 2 queries? > >What % of population is Left-Handed? Left-Handed.com says "...many different numbers put forth, with the most common numbers we have seen being in the area of 13 percent." From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 2 11:06:38 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:01:12 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102105956.02dcdc68@gwind.pair.com> At 10:49 AM 1/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I"ve never seen a car radio that had -NO- manual tuning control, but this >is a major annoyance of mine, too....car radios with 94 dinky little >buttons (some performing different functions depending on whether you're >using the radio or tape/CD). Aftermarket radios have been doing this for >a long time. Tough enough just to even use it if you have large hands, >but as you said, nearly impossible to adjust the radio while >driving. Hey, it's hard enough to find a particular control when >parked! I've never owned a vehicle new enough to have radio controls on >the steering wheel, so I can't comment on Garrett's experience, though >this seems to just add even more clutter. Alas, more clutter & lots of >tiny buttons seems a general trend, be it automotive, or on audio/visual >equipment. > >Give me simplicity anyday. This was an important criterion when I was car shopping a year ago - I wanted something with both cassette (for all my aircheck listening) and CD (for entertainment on longer drives, like this coming weekend), and it HAD to have real knobs for tuning and volume. The factory (Monsoon-brand) radio in my new VW Jetta fit the bill perfectly, though it's not quite as sensitive or selective as the Delco radio in my old Saturn, as I was reminded when I took Lisa's Saturn to Ohio last weekend. The Jetta radio also has an annoying tendency to not respond immediately to a turn of the tuning knob, or to jump more than one channel with each click. And because it uses a tuned, amplified AM antenna in the whip mounted above the rear window, there's sometimes a brief lag when flipping over to AM while the antenna adjusts itself. I'd rather have a bigger, untuned whip like the Saturn - but VW's aesthetic sensibility got in the way of that (and it's a much more pleasant car to drive overall.) The Jetta radio is also mercifully devoid of little teeny buttons. There are six BIG buttons under the radio display for presets (two sets for each band, 24 total), four BIG buttons on the left to select AM, FM, tape or CD (and unlike the Saturn, you don't have to eject the tape to listen to the radio), one BIG rocker on the right that triples as radio scan up/down, CD track up/down and tape FF/rew, a Dolby button for the tape deck, and one button marked "AS" that auto-stores the six strongest AM and FM signals in a separate bank of presets, which is actually very useful in figuring out whose transmitter I'm driving near :-) s From stuff@struff.com Fri Jan 2 11:07:28 2004 From: stuff@struff.com (struff's stuff) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:07:39 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040102105821.03965c88@struff.com> At 10:49 AM 1/2/2004, it was written: >If I'm not mistaken, the Feds have required auto makers to only display >the 8-character "station ID" field on RDS radios. There is usually a >button you can press to scroll the "info" field -once- and then returns to >the ID field. I think this took effect with 2003 model year. Don't know >if aftermarket manufacturers are subject to this same ruling. Mine is a 2002. It used to only give the superfluous info on CC stations until a few months or so ago, when there was some news about CC upgrading or changing to a different type of RDS system (I forget the actual details). It was somewhere around that time when they started adding the extra info on the main screen, *without* having to press the Info button. In addition to WHEB and WGIR in NH, Boston's Kiss-108 is messed up, too. I often see things like "..Outkast" or "Timberlake" on the main screen. Many times those will stick on the display long after the song ends and through several subsequent songs that have nothing to do with the artist being displayed. A push of the Info button returns "No info" when it should be displaying the call letters or name or slogan or song detail (which is the way it works on every non-CC radio station). From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 11:10:09 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:10:16 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 10:41 PM -0800 1/1/04, Bob Nelson wrote: > As for the local focus, the one thing in their >defense is the fact that the signal pretty much IS >confined to the North Shore... If you said North of Boston, I might buy that. I get them quite well here in North Salem, NH, and in the car the signal is strong most of the way into Nashua, it starts dropping out as I approach the Hudson Bridge. On 93 it's strong from just south of Manchester until a few miles north of Boston. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 12:40:48 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 12:39:31 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102105956.02dcdc68@gwind.pair.com> References: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102123519.00a40020@pop3.bit-net.com> Scott Fybush wrote: >The Jetta radio is also mercifully devoid of little teeny buttons. There >are six BIG buttons under the radio display for presets (two sets for each >band, 24 total), four BIG buttons on the left to select AM, FM, tape or CD Enjoy it while you can...things are taking another step towards ridiculously complication. I had an opportunity to see the new VW with the unpronouncable name...the controls for the radio, as well as climate controls and I think some other functions, too are incorporated into a screen with menu options. It didn't appear possible to do much of anything without taking your attention away from your driving for way too long. Clearly, like many car manufacturers, they're marketing it toward 20somethings who thrive on high tech gadgets, functionality be damned. Geezer mode off. From sven@gordsven.com Fri Jan 2 12:44:29 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Jan 2 12:44:34 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102123519.00a40020@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > ridiculously complication. I had an opportunity to see the new VW with the > unpronouncable name...the controls for the radio, as well as climate > controls and I think some other functions, too are incorporated into a I've seen that in the Lexus 4x4 trucks also. Heater and radio controls are all on one back-lit LCD screen. Pray the radio never burns out.....otherwise how do you replace it with the usual aftermarket $20 AM/FM tape player thing from a catalog? Rip out the radio part of the panel with a knife and screwdriver and just stick the other thing in there? -- Sven From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 12:50:03 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 12:48:46 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040102105821.03965c88@struff.com> References: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102124311.00a54720@pop3.bit-net.com> struff's stuff wrote: >In addition to WHEB and WGIR in NH, Boston's Kiss-108 is messed up, too. I >often see things like "..Outkast" or "Timberlake" on the main screen. Many >times those will stick on the display long after the song ends and through >several subsequent songs that have nothing to do with the artist being >displayed. A push of the Info button returns "No info" when it should be >displaying the call letters or name or slogan or song detail (which is the >way it works on every non-CC radio station). I wonder what unit CC is using. The Inovonics I installed at WOTX has 2 fixed-length fields...an 8 character one for ID, and a 32 character one for info. It's a low-end model that can not dynamically update. It does what they wanted it to do. Besides, it's installed at the tx site, which would make dynamically updating a bit cumbersome. How do the CC stations dynamically update theirs? Do they send the data over an STL subcarrier? From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 13:05:23 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 2 13:06:12 2004 Subject: Interactive Radio--credit-card bounce Message-ID: <000a01c3d15b$1645ad00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Somebody asked how the interactive radio system that I described in a previous posting could handle a credit-card "bounce" (failure of the system to charge the specified credit card and thus failure to successfully place an order). I think that when the customer set up an interactive-radio account with a merchant, the customer would have to provide quite a bit of information: Name, Street Address, Phone number, E-mail address or Instant-messaging address, etc. The need to provide this information would likely force the customer to use a computer for the registration process, although some cell phones with instant-messaging capability would probably also work. I doubt that an automobile radio would have a keyboard with the necessary functions, although it is presumed that the radio has BlueTooth capabilities, so the customer might use a PDA to communicate with the radio and the radio, rather than the PDA, might then store the customer's account information. As I said, the whole scheme has an Orwellian Brave New World feel to it. Now when you car is stolen, do you have to also report the theft of your credit cards? Presumably, you wouldn't have to do so because--unless there was a simple way for the thief to change the address to which the account was registered--all of the merchandise the thief ordered via your interactive car radio would be shipped to your address, not the thief's. So instead of cancelling your credit cards, you could spend all of your spare time arguing with the merchants about returning goods that were ordered without your authorization. Isn't technology wonderful? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 13:13:49 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Jan 2 13:13:52 2004 Subject: Car radios (was: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102093303.00a821a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20040102181349.48733.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> > I"ve never seen a car radio that had -NO- manual > tuning control, but this > is a major annoyance of mine, too....car radios with > 94 dinky little > buttons (some performing different functions > depending on whether you're > using the radio or tape/CD). Aftermarket radios > have been doing this for a > long time. Tough enough just to even use it if you My fiance's car stereo(aftermarket) at first seems to not have a manual tune option. Reading through the manual(RTFM) I found that it does... You have to press and hold the seek for two seconds and then release. Then, until you settle on a station for more than 20 or 30 seconds you can use the seeks to manual tune the radio. Normally, I would have a problem with seek, but the sensitivty for seeking seems to be turned way down. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 2 13:29:50 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri Jan 2 13:30:16 2004 Subject: Fybush Does LTAR Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040102132901.026c0d70@pop.registeredsite.com> In my role as press secretary for WJIB, Bob wanted me to let everyone know that yes, Scott Fybush WILL be taping an LTAR. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 15:07:45 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 15:08:27 2004 Subject: Great local markets (was: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ) In-Reply-To: <200401020258.VAA17347@webmail7.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102144713.00a58ab0@pop3.bit-net.com> Sean Smyth wrote: >On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:45:57, Mark Laurence wrote: > > Gee, I wouldn't write off Boston as a great local market. There are at > > least a half dozen strong local morning shows, and fierce local talk > > competition in the afternoon. WBZ programs news and talk locally 24 > > hours a day, and WEEI has little use for syndicated sports talk. > >Yes, but have you ever heard the quality of much of WEEI's programming? Hosts >talking over one another, callers droning on and on about irrelevant stuff, >people on-air seeming clueless. Pete Sheppard wouldn't even make the cut >at the >Penn State student-run radio station, never mind in another big market. He >overdramaticizes every little comment and every syllable; the guy's a nuisance >to listen to. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not much of a sports fan so the subject matter doesn't interest me much, but most of what you say applies to -most- sports talk radio I've heard. A bunch of rather boorish guys yelling a lot. To me WEEI doesn't sound much different than other stations in that format. >Honestly I'd rather have a Tony >Kornheiser on the air, who is sometimes clueless but a natural entertainer, >than half-witted local hosts. Funny you should mention that. I also find him very entertaining...his show definitely appeals to people other than wannabe jocks (as in jock sports, not djs) & Monday morning quarterbacks who can argue for hours about who the best 3rd string second baseman of all time is. His "cluelessness" seems to be part of the charm (though I'm not sure why he continually references what's happening on "The View", a show very few of his listeners likely watch). A former co-worker of mine who -is- a sports fan finds TK boring. Maybe he should yell more. :-/ I agree with Mark that Boston radio is very good. All you need to do is travel to other cities to appreciate what we have here. Funny, I wasn't all that impressed with Chicago radio last time I was there. Guess it depends on your taste. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Jan 2 15:39:58 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Jan 2 15:40:19 2004 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102124311.00a54720@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <200401021549.i02FnTxO064154@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040102105821.03965c88@struff.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20040102124311.00a54720@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200401022039.i02Kdw3t033163@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I wonder what unit CC is using. The Inovonics I installed at WOTX has 2 > fixed-length fields...an 8 character one for ID, and a 32 character one for > info. It's a low-end model that can not dynamically update. It does what > they wanted it to do. Besides, it's installed at the tx site, which would > make dynamically updating a bit cumbersome. How do the CC stations > dynamically update theirs? Do they send the data over an STL subcarrier? The places that I have heard of that use it heavily keep the RDS encoder at the studio, attached to the studio automation system, and STL the subcarrier data to the transmitter. -GAWollman From radiofreak@4motion.org Fri Jan 2 16:37:49 2004 From: radiofreak@4motion.org (Damon Cassell) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:37:57 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102105956.02dcdc68@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Scott Fybush wrote: > This was an important criterion when I was car shopping a year ago - I > wanted something with both cassette (for all my aircheck listening) and CD > (for entertainment on longer drives, like this coming weekend), and it HAD > to have real knobs for tuning and volume. The factory (Monsoon-brand) radio > in my new VW Jetta fit the bill perfectly, though it's not quite as > sensitive or selective as the Delco radio in my old Saturn, as I was > reminded when I took Lisa's Saturn to Ohio last weekend. Monsoon is actually owned by Delphi so by definition both your old Saturn and your new Jetta radios are Delcos. A surprising number of parts in current VWs are made by GM or GM affiliated companies. I was told this has to do with the huge corporate espionage settlement a few years back, where a European GM exec defected to VW and gave VW confidential GM engineering data. The settlement involved VW purchasing billions in parts from GM as compensation. I don't know how true that is. My major gripe are cars with the antenna built into the rear window. This is common now, and I believe it seriously impacts performance. My old GTI (also with Monsoon) had the antenna on the roof, like yours. My new Accord has the antenna in the rear glass, and I think you can tell the difference. Damon From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 2 16:45:27 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:45:32 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013501c3d179$bc8ab200$0100007f@boneill> > My major gripe are cars with the antenna built into the rear window. > This is common now, and I believe it seriously impacts > performance. My old > GTI (also with Monsoon) had the antenna on the roof, like > yours. My new > Accord has the antenna in the rear glass, and I think you can > tell the > difference. > > Damon Did this have anything to do with early-on interference with the on-board computer systems? Seemed plausible that moving the antenna away from the engine could help. Or, it could all be bells and whistles. Bill O'Neill From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 2 16:56:21 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:55:35 2004 Subject: Car radios In-Reply-To: <013501c3d179$bc8ab200$0100007f@boneill> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102165300.00a74e10@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: >Did this have anything to do with early-on interference with the on-board >computer systems? Seemed plausible that moving the antenna away from the >engine >could help. Could be...it seems that a lot of cars that still use external whip antennas have them mounted on a rear fender. I also wonder if that's why many cars have the ECU in the passenger compartment (on mine it's behind the glove compartment)...this way the car body itself acts as a shield. From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Jan 2 18:15:49 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:16:03 2004 Subject: WTTT Channeling WALE? Message-ID: I didn't write down all the pertinent info because I was DRIVING; but today (01/02/04) while I checked out whether WTTT-AM was on January pattern-switch, I heard a promo for a show on money matters hosted locally by two guys whose names I didn't catch. I realize the old "Money Experts" who were put on the air by I believe WHDH-AM 850 initially and would not have struck anyone as radio pro's. But these guys sounded even more amateurish, like the guys who did "Funny (not) Business on WRKO. Now I'm just surmising this, but could this be a deal like the former WALE-990, or WBPS-AM 890 as a talk station: the "Hosts" pay the station for the time and then THEY sell the spots? This soon-to-be-short-lived show is sscheduled to start tomorrow (01/03/04) from 10:00 am to noon. Just like Feder, I think they'll have to vamp in the absence of callers. Laurence Glavin (Noting also that WTTT seems to have an 11-minute offset at both ends: going daytime pattern 11 minutes before local sunrise, and nightime pattern 11 minutes before local sunset!) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 2 18:51:07 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:51:10 2004 Subject: WCTB Message-ID: <004701c3d18b$4ab633e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine, the station that continued to play Christmas Music through New Years Eve, is now doing another stunt. On January 1st, they started playing a mix of all kinds of music from artists whose names start with the letter A. Today is the letter B. I presume tomorrow will C, Sunday D, ect. The mix of music includes country, oldies, AC, and I heard one song that sounded like folk. On the way home, I heard Garth Brooks, the Beatles, the Blue Brothers, and a fairly modern sounding pop song that I did not recognize. They are also running promos talking about building a new radio station and wanting to hear from listeners about what to keep and what to dump. I assume that there is a new format all ready to go and this is a stunt. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 18:56:53 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:58:33 2004 Subject: WTTT Channeling WALE? References: Message-ID: <002701c3d18c$50cacb00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Now, for the second month in a row. Seems as though someone could bump the timer back a notch or two. Rotary timers seem to have a granularity of either 6 or 12 minutes, depending on the model. Alternatively, an 11-minute power failure would do it ;>) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: WTTT Channeling WALE? > (Noting also that WTTT seems to have an 11-minute offset > at both ends: going daytime pattern 11 minutes before > local sunrise, and nightime pattern 11 minutes before local sunset!) From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 2 18:56:37 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:58:42 2004 Subject: Car radios References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040102165300.00a74e10@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002601c3d18c$4fad7420$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I think a better reason for moving the ECU to the passenger side of the firewall is to lower the temperature. High temperatures are the enemy of semiconductor longevity. The engine compartment is shielded on five sides--and on a few cars, six. My car (a 2002 Chevy Prizm, which is generally identical to a 2002 Toyota Corolla) has a conventional (non-retractable) whip antenna on the passenger-side fender--as far away from the car's electrical-noise sources as it could be located. The 2002 Corolla has the (retractable) antenna on the driver's side A pillar, quite close to the noise sources. Now, I assume that the Chevy radio is made by Delphi (formerly Delco). I have no idea who makes Toyota radios, but obviously whatever company does was less concerned about antenna placement--at least until 2003. There are no 2003 Prizms, but there is a 2003 Pontiac Vibe, also a Corolla derivative and also made for GM by NUMMI (which is owned jointly by GM and Toyota). I have no idea of the antenna location on the Vibe but I know that the 2003 Corolla antenna (and I think the antenna on the 2003 Toyota Matrix, which is essentially the same as the Vibe) is located on the roof above the center of the rear window. In 2003, Toyota started using short non-retractable antennas on Corollas (and maybe other lines). I don't know whether the radios compensate for the reduced antenna length with greater front-end gain or whether the antenna uses some non-obvious technology to achieve the same gain as would be obtained from a longer whip of conventional design. Can anyone on the list tell me? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: SteveOrdinetz To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Car radios > Bill O'Neill wrote: > > >Did this have anything to do with early-on interference with the on-board > >computer systems? Seemed plausible that moving the antenna away from the > >engine > >could help. > > Could be...it seems that a lot of cars that still use external whip > antennas have them mounted on a rear fender. I also wonder if that's why > many cars have the ECU in the passenger compartment (on mine it's behind > the glove compartment)...this way the car body itself acts as a shield. > From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 2 19:10:17 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri Jan 2 19:10:25 2004 Subject: Fox Fire? Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040102190748.025578f0@mail.mac.com> I read something on the MSN Boston TV News board to the effect that the Channel 25 studio had a fire last night, and that they missed several newscasts. Does anyone here know anything further? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 2 20:20:22 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 2 20:20:25 2004 Subject: WTTT Channeling WALE? In-Reply-To: <002701c3d18c$50cacb00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <013601c3d197$c348a250$0100007f@boneill> > Now, for the second month in a row. Seems as though someone > could bump the > timer back a notch or two. Rotary timers seem to have a granularity of > either 6 or 12 minutes, depending on the model. > Alternatively, an 11-minute > power failure would do it ;>) > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 After the discussions on FCC enforcement priorities, shall I assume that the same would apply to AMers lax or non-compliant with pattern changes or power reductions? If no one seems to mind then Uncle Charlie doesn't either? Why is January also 7:15 a.m. in this area? I would expect that there would be at least a 15 or 30" variable. Is there a quick and easy location for FCC AM/PM times query? Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Jan 2 23:11:08 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Jan 2 23:05:31 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? Message-ID: <200401022311.AA3585147116@mail.ttlc.net> The distracting RDS previously posted may not be needed. radio.about.com posted an article about www.yes.net - they list the currently playing song on more than 1000 stations nationwide. They also list all the songs played (by time) for the last 24 hours. The Boston list has 11 stations, Portland ME has 8. It also has a "Buy Now" button for the CD. Find out more in the article at: http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa122803a.htm From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 23:34:39 2004 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri Jan 2 23:34:42 2004 Subject: Fox Fire? In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040102190748.025578f0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20040103043439.19186.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > I read something on the MSN Boston TV News board to the effect that the > Channel 25 studio had a fire last night, and that they missed several > newscasts. Does anyone here know anything further? > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > I turned on Ch 25 Friday morning around 8am and all I saw was a Channel 25 banner for 30 minutes, followed by MASH at 8:30am, with no commercials, just the banner during commercial breaks. At 9am Texas Justice came on as usual. John East Derry ===== Fire and Rescue Logs, audio clips, history, photos for New Hampshire and New England at: http://www.geocities.com/nhswna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 00:29:32 2004 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat Jan 3 00:29:37 2004 Subject: Portsmouth LPFM Radio station seeks to place antenna atop Music Hall Message-ID: <20040103052932.51088.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> PORTSMOUTH — The antenna for a new low-power community radio station could soon be atop The Music Hall. Organizers seeking to operate WSCA-FM will meet with the Historic District Commission on Jan. 14 at 7 p.m. in a work session to discuss placement of its radio antennae. COMPLETE STORY AT: http://www4.fosters.com/news2004/January2004/January_02/News/po_0102a.asp Foster Daily Democrast - Dover NH John East Derry ===== Fire and Rescue Logs, audio clips, history, photos for New Hampshire and New England at: http://www.geocities.com/nhswna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:37:47 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Jan 3 00:38:18 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <3FF60EDB.11239.62ACD6@localhost> On 1 Jan 2004 at 22:41, Bob Nelson wrote: > I've mentioned the first episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" before. IIRC, > the second episode featured a man who was upset that the station > changed from beautiful music to raucous rock, and he brought in some > protestors-- who looked like they were from a nearby rest home-- with > picket signs. I'm sure WBOQ got many emails and phone calls of protest > but that won't do any good now. I seem to remember that at some point, maybe in the 1980s, WNCN in New York switched away from a classical music format and even changed its call letters to something else. According to the story I read at the time, as a result of large numbers of protests, they changed back, both format and call letters. At least for awhile. I believe they are now no longer classical, though I think this time they kept the call letters. Does anyone else know more of the specifics of this story? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 3 00:37:47 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Jan 3 00:38:21 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <002701c3d127$91272fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <3FF4AED1.23120.184691F@localhost> Message-ID: <3FF60EDB.2208.62AD30@localhost> On 2 Jan 2004 at 6:55, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > No, Mr Barrister, Level Funding is NOT a cut. Level Funding MEANS Level > Funding... When costs are increasing (as they always are), level funding (which does not deserve capital letters) is a cut in the resources which the agency has available to do its job. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 3 08:15:07 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 3 08:13:55 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <3FF60EDB.11239.62ACD6@localhost> References: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103081103.00a726f0@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I seem to remember that at some point, maybe in the 1980s, WNCN in New >York switched >away from a classical music format and even changed its call letters to >something else. >According to the story I read at the time, as a result of large numbers of >protests, they >changed back, both format and call letters. At least for awhile. I >believe they are now no >longer classical, though I think this time they kept the call letters. According to my M Street, the calls are WAXQ and the format classic rock. Not that it didn't happen, but I don't ever recall hearing that they dumped classical then went back to it. From nuhuc@juno.com Sat Jan 3 10:11:26 2004 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:12:34 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ Message-ID: <20040103.101126.-529783.0.nuhuc@juno.com> On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:37:47 -0500 "A. Joseph Ross" writes: > I seem to remember that at some point, maybe in the 1980s, WNCN in > New York switched > away from a classical music format and even changed its call letters > Does anyone else know more of the specifics of this story? WNCN changed to WQIV a "progressive rock" format in I beleive 1974. There was a huge out cry from WNCN's audience, and I beleive it was less than a year latter they switched back to WNCN. In the 1990's, WNCN switched to rock again as WAXQ... that format remains today. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 10:49:01 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:49:06 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <3FF60EDB.11239.62ACD6@localhost> References: <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> <3FF60EDB.11239.62ACD6@localhost> Message-ID: At 12:37 AM -0500 1/3/04, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >I seem to remember that at some point, maybe in the 1980s, WNCN in >New York switched >away from a classical music format and even changed its call letters >to something else. >According to the story I read at the time, as a result of large >numbers of protests, they >changed back, both format and call letters. At least for awhile. I >believe they are now no >longer classical, though I think this time they kept the call letters. > >Does anyone else know more of the specifics of this story? Actually, not just a bunch of protesters, but two well organized groups, one based in New York, the other known as Classical Listeners for Connecticut. The CT group was organized by a friend of mine, Larry Stoller, WA1PDK, who is totally blind. The only efforts at reversing format changes that have ever been successful are those that are from well organized groups, not just a bunch of random callers. The other effort that I know was partially successful was the Public Radio Interest Group of NH, which in 1992 (or was it 93?) prevented NHPR from totally cancelling Jazz and Folk Music programming as had been proposed at the time. They have since cancelled Jazz, but the Folk Show lives on to this day (actually tomorrow, it's on Sundays). -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 10:53:52 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 3 10:53:58 2004 Subject: Globe: Met Opera out at WBOQ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103081103.00a726f0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <20040102064127.73596.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c3d0cc$31a07150$c3ec33d1@alvin> <5.1.0.14.0.20040103081103.00a726f0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 8:15 AM -0500 1/3/04, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >>I seem to remember that at some point, maybe in the 1980s, WNCN in >>New York switched >>away from a classical music format and even changed its call >>letters to something else. >>According to the story I read at the time, as a result of large >>numbers of protests, they >>changed back, both format and call letters. At least for awhile. >>I believe they are now no >>longer classical, though I think this time they kept the call letters. > > >According to my M Street, the calls are WAXQ and the format classic >rock. Not that it didn't happen, but I don't ever recall hearing >that they dumped classical then went back to it. They dropped Classical to become rock WQCD (I think!), which was supposedly all quadraphonic, all the time. After pressure from the groups mentioned in my previous post, they went back to Classical and changed the calls back to WNCN, which remained in place for a number of years before they were sold and became WAXQ. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 3 12:22:36 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:17:09 2004 Subject: WNCN/WQIV/WNCN/WAXQ In-Reply-To: <200401031700.i03H02xO069375@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103121709.02e61578@gwind.pair.com> At 12:00 PM 1/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >They dropped Classical to become rock WQCD (I think!), which was >supposedly all quadraphonic, all the time. After pressure from the groups >mentioned in my previous post, they went back to Classical and changed the >calls back to WNCN, which remained in place for a number of years before >they were sold and became WAXQ. "WQIV," actually (WQCD is the 101.9 that used to be WPIX-FM.) But it was a different era - in 1974, the FCC still took the old "public interest" obligations seriously enough to be willing to consider stations' formats at license-renewal time, and the WNCN/WQIV case set a precedent for a time. Here in Rochester, when commercial classical WBFB 92.5 (sister station to top-40 giant WBBF 950) wanted to flip to the new NBC News & Information Service at the end of 1974, the WNCN ruling was enough to make the station's owners donate the entire music library to the brand-new public radio WXXI 91.5 and provide a lot of the assistance needed to get the new public station on the air before WBFB flipped away from classical. That wouldn't happen now. By 1993, the FCC had ceased to concern itself with station formats, so it was safe for GAF (the company that ended up buying WQIV/WNCN from Starr Broadcasting - in which William F. Buckley was a partner - and flipping it back to classical) to again think about dropping the classical format from 104.3, which it did in Dec. 1993 with almost no warning. WNCN became WAXQ - still under GAF ownership. It was later sold to Viacom, which eventually sold it and duopoly partner WLTW to Chancellor/AMFM/Clear Channel. (And the PD of WNCN in its final classical incarnation was the same Mario Mazza who's now at WCRB, where I'll bet he didn't get a Christmas card from Larry Glavin this year :-) s From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 3 12:30:56 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:31:12 2004 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? Message-ID: Technically I believe you're right, with this caveat: I've been in the private sector since leaving the military (n.b. at no time during my active duty did we lose a war) and when times got tough, some of my employers, especially Wang Laboratories, froze salaries and discretionary spending in order to improve EFFICIENCY, thus possibly increasing the output expended for the same level of funding. This seems to have happened economy- wide during this "jobless recovery". To make this "on-topic" for those who disdain digressions, this has probably happened and may continue to happen at both family-owned and conglomerate- owned radio stations here and elsewhere. (Boston is not recovering as neatly from the recession as other parts of the country.) >DATE: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:37:47 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >On 2 Jan 2004 at 6:55, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >> No, Mr Barrister, Level Funding is NOT a cut. Level Funding MEANS Level >> Funding... > >When costs are increasing (as they always are), level funding (which does not deserve >capital letters) is a cut in the resources which the agency has available to do its job. > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 3 12:37:43 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:38:01 2004 Subject: Fwd: Portsmouth LPFM Radio station seeks to place antenna atop Music Hall Message-ID: "No one from the street will even notice it"? Tower geeks will make a special trip to Portsmouth to photograph and videotape it! >DATE: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:29:32 >From: John Bolduc >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >PORTSMOUTH — The antenna for a new low-power >community >radio station could >soon be atop The Music Hall. >Organizers seeking to operate WSCA-FM will meet with >the Historic District >Commission on Jan. 14 at 7 p.m. in a work session to >discuss placement of >its radio antennae. >COMPLETE STORY AT: >http://www4.fosters.com/news2004/January2004/January_02>/News/po_0102a.asp >Foster Daily Democrast - Dover NH >John >East Derry ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 3 12:45:09 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:45:32 2004 Subject: Fox Fire? Message-ID: I go to bed a bit early even on Fridays although I have Saturday and Sunday off,so I tend to watch the 10:00 o'clock newses (newsi, newsae?) on the UHF's. Channel 25 had a regular newscast at 10:00 pm last night (01/02/04) with all the bells and whistles. >DATE: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:34:39 >From: John Bolduc >To: Boston Radio interest@bostonradio.org> > >--- Larry Weil wrote: >> I read something on the MSN Boston TV News board to the effect that the >> Channel 25 studio had a fire last night, and that they missed several >> newscasts. Does anyone here know anything further? >> >> -- >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> >I turned on Ch 25 Friday morning around 8am and all I saw was a Channel 25 >banner for 30 minutes, followed by MASH at 8:30am, with no commercials, >just the banner during commercial breaks. At 9am Texas Justice came on as >usual. > >John >East Derry > > > >===== >Fire and Rescue Logs, audio clips, history, photos for New Hampshire and New England at: http://www.geocities.com/nhswna > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 >http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From RogerKola@aol.com Sat Jan 3 12:53:35 2004 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:53:50 2004 Subject: Portsmouth LPFM Radio station seeks to place antenna atop Music Hall Message-ID: <17f.249c9f2b.2d285b9f@aol.com> Why didn't they have to file an antenna location with their application...wouldn't HAAT and location have to do with their pattern and co-channel issues? Or does this require a modification to their license? Maybe I missed something here... Roger In a message dated 01/03/04 12:38:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, lglavin@lycos.com writes: > PORTSMOUTH ? The antenna for a new low-power >community >radio station could > >soon be atop The Music Hall. > > >Organizers seeking to operate WSCA-FM will meet with >the Historic District > >Commission on Jan. 14 at 7 p.m. in a work session to >discuss placement of From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 3 15:12:56 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:13:14 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio Message-ID: During holiday weekends, NPR's news quiz show "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" does a show based on history rather than current events. Today's (01/03/04) show used a quote by famous physicist Lord Kelvin. "Radio has no future". I wanted to read this in context and used the line as a search in google. It didn't deliver the original quote but instead offered lists of bad predictions. It seems that two VERY FAMOUS individuals also missed the mark... Lord Kelvin made his erroneous prediction in 1897; about two decades later, David Sarnoff said: "The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?" Shortly thereafter, Thomas Edison said: "The radio craze will die in time" It appears that lists of failed prophecies are abundant on the 'Net. Several of them quote Bill Gates as saying "640 kb of memory should be enough for anybody". This was in 1981! This should deter anyone from making posts here about the future, right? Mmmm, we'll see. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 3 15:19:31 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:19:28 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c3d236$e62a88c0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > This should deter anyone from making posts here about the > future, right? > Mmmm, we'll see. > > Laurence Glavin Okay, I'll bite. I predict others will continue to post here about the future. Do I win something from the BRI prize closet? Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 3 15:28:43 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:28:49 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040103152732.0255fca0@mail.mac.com> At 03:12 PM 1/3/2004, Laurence Glavin wrote: >During holiday weekends, NPR's news quiz show "Wait, Wait >Don't Tell Me" does a show based on history rather than >current events. Today's (01/03/04) show used a quote by >famous physicist Lord Kelvin. "Radio has no future". Sometimes, listening to the junk that passes for programming, I tend to agree. :-)) -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 3 17:14:56 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:13:40 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103171041.00a29e00@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >It appears that lists of failed prophecies are abundant on the 'Net. >Several of them quote Bill Gates as saying "640 kb of memory >should be enough for anybody". This was in 1981! Keeping in mind that in 1981 640k was a humungous amout of RAM...even 128k was on the high side in those days. I worked at a computer company at the time...as I recall our video cards had 2k, or if you wanted the high end one, 4k. 20M of hard drive space on a -server- was considered so big no one would ever fill it. >This should deter anyone from making posts here about the future, right? >Mmmm, we'll see. Where's Joseph Gallant now that we need him? :-/ From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 3 17:15:40 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 3 17:14:23 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040103152732.0255fca0@mail.mac.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103171510.00a28670@pop3.bit-net.com> Larry Weil wrote: >Sometimes, listening to the junk that passes for programming, I tend to >agree. :-)) That's what our parents said about rock & roll too. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 3 18:39:55 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 3 18:40:19 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073173203.B3B13F1@r31.dngr.org> Isn't it time for Joe Gallant to make his 2004 predictions??? From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Jan 3 19:44:23 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Jan 3 19:44:26 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio In-Reply-To: <1073173203.B3B13F1@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000001c3d25b$e618d5b0$83f36041@Sean> Kevin writes: << Isn't it time for Joe Gallant to make his 2004 predictions??? >> I believe Joe limits his machinations to Radio-Info nowadays. Someone there mentioned he had something like 1,100 posts between July and December on all the Radio-Info boards combined. From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 3 21:38:44 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat Jan 3 21:33:20 2004 Subject: NERW Dinner Tuesday night Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103213644.02d96dd0@gwind.pair.com> OK...we have a number of RSVPs from a number of people who'll be coming. We have a date (Tuesday 1/6) and a time (6:30 PM). Now we just need a place, somewhere close to WJIB so those of us coming from LTAR can get there quickly and easily (and it's a relatively central location anyway.) Any suggestions? The 99's table layout wasn't great for as large a group as we had last time. s From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 3 21:39:03 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 3 21:39:16 2004 Subject: NERW Dinner Tuesday night In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103213644.02d96dd0@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040103213644.02d96dd0@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1073183947.342250CD@w5.dngr.org> There is the Ground Round across the street at FP Rotary.... On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 9:36pm, Scott Fybush wrote: > OK...we have a number of RSVPs from a number of people who'll be > coming. We have a date (Tuesday 1/6) and a time (6:30 PM). Now we just > need a place, somewhere close to WJIB so those of us coming from LTAR > can get there quickly and easily (and it's a relatively central > location anyway.) > > Any suggestions? The 99's table layout wasn't great for as large a > group as we had last time. > > s From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Jan 3 21:51:15 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Jan 3 21:51:18 2004 Subject: NERW Dinner Tuesday night In-Reply-To: <1073183947.342250CD@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000101c3d26d$9f27f4d0$83f36041@Sean> Kevin writes: << There is the Ground Round across the street at FP Rotary.... >> I think the Ground Round would have the same issue as the 9s, re: seating. What I really want to know is this: will there be a WJIB station tour afterward? I want to see what the place looks like now Bob has turned to the computerized life. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 3 22:06:05 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 3 22:06:16 2004 Subject: NERW Dinner Tuesday night In-Reply-To: <000101c3d26d$9f27f4d0$83f36041@Sean> References: <000101c3d26d$9f27f4d0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: <1073185568.342250CD@w5.dngr.org> GR can handle bigger groups than 99 Question is how big the group? On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 9:55pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > Kevin writes: > << There is the Ground Round across the street at FP Rotary.... >> > > I think the Ground Round would have the same issue as the 9s, re: > seating. > > What I really want to know is this: will there be a WJIB station tour > afterward? I want to see what the place looks like now Bob has turned > to > the computerized life. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Jan 4 08:12:34 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun Jan 4 08:11:28 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? Message-ID: <000001c3d2c4$6bd74980$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Why yes, that was my son, Connor, wielding the mic for his very first stand-up on Channel 6's Newscenter Saturday (and again Sunday morning). During an open skating session with the U Maine Black Bears Hockey team, one of the station's ENG professionals, Charlie Bird (or Byrd) was filming the event for the evening's sports segment. So, of the hundred little persons on the ice, he gives the mic to my kid for a one-on-one grilling of one of the Bears, #10 John Ronan. And I really hate to say it, but my kid did a little better than all right. No, Joe Namath was no where to be seen this time. --Chuck(Connor's old man)Igo From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jan 4 09:25:54 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun Jan 4 09:26:02 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? References: <000001c3d2c4$6bd74980$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <009c01c3d2ce$aa0f6f20$6400a8c0@brianhome> > Why yes, that was my son, Connor, wielding the mic for his very first > stand-up on Channel 6's Newscenter Saturday ( We're seeing the beginning of the Igo broadcasting dynasty. Was that head cleaner in his formula bottle Chuck? Next he'll be doing standups from the kindergarden fingerpainting class! Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 4 11:52:09 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 4 11:52:13 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? References: <000001c3d2c4$6bd74980$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <000801c3d2e3$180c3c10$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I saw that piece and Connor was great, quick on his feet, and very funny. If the sportscaster thing doesn't work out, he could give the old man a run or his money in the mornings. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 4 13:24:47 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Jan 4 13:25:05 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio Message-ID: That board said the WRKO had replaced Bob Brinker's "Money Talk" with the American Express sponsored money show. Not true. I listened to Bob Brinker's show on WRKO while driving on Rt. 128 (hey Sid; I heard the pattern-change ka-thwump at 4:15...it's JANUARY, not December!) The radio-info/Boston board has many more rumors and gossip items than here, and when they appear here, there's often someone to take exception to something they disagree with. Another thing, people there use assumed names at times (I myself have done this...I'll give away just a few of my handles: "Moreparksausagesmomplease"; "Waleecoisa wonderfulcandybar"; "Thesedrumsaredrivingmecrazy"; "Finleyqualitynetwork". I have others, but you get the drift. Laurence Glavin >DATE: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:44:23 >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: "'Kevin Vahey'" , , >Kevin writes: ><< Isn't it time for Joe Gallant to make his 2004 predictions??? >> > >I believe Joe limits his machinations to Radio-Info nowadays. Someone >there mentioned he had something like 1,100 posts between July and >December on all the Radio-Info boards combined. > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 4 14:07:10 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Jan 4 14:07:15 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? In-Reply-To: <000001c3d2c4$6bd74980$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c3d2f5$f502d590$9f00a8c0@boneill> Connor's Papa writes: Why yes, that was my son, Connor, wielding the mic for his very first > stand-up on Channel 6's Newscenter Saturday (and again Sunday > morning). >And I really hate to say > it, but my kid did a little better than all right. > No, Joe Namath was no where to be seen this time. > > --Chuck(Connor's old man)Igo Ataboy! Bill O'Neill From rjoc@webtv.net Sun Jan 4 14:50:33 2004 From: rjoc@webtv.net (Rod O'Connor) Date: Sun Jan 4 14:50:37 2004 Subject: New Travel-Info station 96.5FM Message-ID: <22392-3FF86E89-2814@storefull-2334.public.lawson.webtv.net> Was down in the Calais ME/Saint Stephen NB area a few days ago. While driving into Calais from Meddybemps along US Route 1 observed new signs "Travel Info Tune to 96.5FM" Sure enough there was a brand new TIS type station giving all sorts of useful and helpful info. Local weather updates, Traffic and road advisories, Eastern/Atlantic Standard time checks and reminder to adjust clocks ahead when crossing into Canada. Also a convenient feature of waiting times at Customs on both sides of the border, updated every few minutes with a computerized voice. This is probably the same station that Scott mentions in last week's NERW that is being applied for. They sure didn;t waste any time! Never did hear any Call-Letters, just Saint Stephen Information Radio. Power was probably about 50 watts or so. Could easily hear it 5 miles out of Calais and Saint Stephen, although it was totally gone by the time I got to Saint Andrews NB, 15 miles south. And, I forgot stop by South Street in Calais and see if the WQDY AM tower is still standing. Rod O'Connor Southwest Harbor, Maine From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 4 16:16:29 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun Jan 4 16:11:05 2004 Subject: Radio dinner postponed Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040104161438.02de6548@gwind.pair.com> In light of the questionable weather (though I'm about ready to throttle the Rochester TV meterorologists who claimed we'd have 4 inches of snow on the ground this morning - I can still see my dead grass on the lawn) and the illness of a cousin who was to have been our host in Boston, we've postponed our trip, and thus Tuesday night's radio dinner. We're trying to figure out when we can reschedule - probably a little later in the spring when the weather's nicer for traveling (and tower-hunting!) Sorry about the inconvenience - I was very much looking forward to seeing everyone! s From sid@wrko.com Sun Jan 4 16:19:19 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun Jan 4 16:19:50 2004 Subject: "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" Quote About Radio Message-ID: >>(hey Sid; I heard the pattern-change ka-thwump at 4:15...it's JANUARY, not December!)<< As my oft-used signature will attest, I'm not the CE...I do computers. However, the CE does subscribe to this remailer, so he'll see it. >>people there use assumed names at times<< Just about everyone on radio-info uses assumed names, mostly because that board has devolved into the biggest non-stop bitch-fest and hotbed of unfounded rumors I've ever seen in my life. I've even seen several cases of outright libel, which the pansies that pass for moderators either don't recognize or do nothing about, lest they be called "censors" by the usual group of chronic complainers. Most who post there have their pre-conceived notions about how radio stations actually work, and when the few people in the business who still tolerate posting there disabuse them of their false notions, they are raked over the coals as if it's they who don't know what they're talking about. The only thing the radio-info Boston board is good for is an occasional laugh...until one realizes that these people are actually serious about the nonsense they post. I left there some months ago, haven't been back, and don't miss it at all. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Jan 4 21:54:20 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun Jan 4 21:53:31 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? In-Reply-To: <000801c3d2e3$180c3c10$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000001c3d337$38264500$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Dan wrote of CJ's foray into the 4th estate...: >>I saw that piece and Connor was great, quick on his feet, and very funny. If the sportscaster thing doesn't work out, he could give the old man a run or his money in the mornings.<< Bite your tongue, son! I don't need the competition, and besides, I'd like him to persue a more lofty profession in which he'll be encumbered with more money than he'll know what to do with... You know, like lawyering or something... ;-) (thanks for the nice words... You helped puff out his chest a bit more this afternoon.) And, for what it's worth, U Maine hammered U Vermont 6 - 1 in the weekend's showcase event at the Civic Center. (sorry, Bill O... I just report 'em the way my kid saw it. --Chuck Igo From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 4 21:59:55 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 4 21:59:58 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? References: <000001c3d337$38264500$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <003601c3d337$ff4cef80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: "'Dan Billings'" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: RE: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? > Bite your tongue, son! I don't need the competition, and besides, I'd > like him to persue a more lofty profession in which he'll be encumbered > with more money than he'll know what to do with... You know, like > lawyering or something... ;-) Good idea! > (thanks for the nice words... You helped puff out his chest a bit more > this afternoon.) When the story was on, I was on my computer and had my back to the TV and was only half listening. When he had the player stuttering over how many goals he had scored, I turned around and made the connection. It was impressive because often when they stick a mike in a kids face, the kid clams up. But I guess, in this case, working in front of a mike is in his DNA. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Jan 4 22:34:08 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:34:12 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040104222601.01ab1b00@pop.gis.net> Noticed in the Sunday Metrowest News real estate section the sale of 1555 Central Avenue in Needham from Entercom Boston LLC to Needham Woods Corp for $1,935,000. From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 4 22:50:38 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:50:45 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? In-Reply-To: <000001c3d337$38264500$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <001901c3d33f$15c5f0c0$7200a8c0@livingroom> > And, for what it's worth, U Maine hammered U Vermont 6 - 1 in the > weekend's showcase event at the Civic Center. (sorry, Bill O... I just > report 'em the way my kid saw it. > > --Chuck Igo C'maan. Now, YOU stick to the stax-o-wax, awright'? The kid, he's the sports-boy in the family. ...Where's the shop steward when we need him? What next, news anchors voicing spots on all news stations? Naah. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Jan 4 22:50:50 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:51:20 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20040104222601.01ab1b00@pop.gis.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20040104222601.01ab1b00@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <1073274671.2EE8CAB@w5.dngr.org> Hmmmm 850 considering a move to Burlington???? On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:37pm, Ron Bello wrote: > > Noticed in the Sunday Metrowest News real estate section the sale of > 1555 Central Avenue in Needham from Entercom Boston LLC to > Needham Woods Corp for $1,935,000. From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 4 22:56:52 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:57:03 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <1073274671.2EE8CAB@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000001c3d33f$f4c0c3e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Kevin: > Hmmmm 850 considering a move to Burlington???? That would make for an interesting night array. Moving that much further west, that is. Would the RKO array be sufficient in it's current tower array to support WEEI? Can't imagine the Town/City of Burlington enabling another tower (if needed). Bill O'Neill From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 4 22:57:50 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:58:08 2004 Subject: Not checking statistics Message-ID: <3FF89A6E.19299.3468B4@localhost> This morning CNN called Fidel Castro, celebrating the 45th anniversary of his regime, the "world's longest-serving head of state." This is wrong on two counts. First, for many years, Castro was not president of Cuba but prime minister, and a prime minister is a head of government, not a head of state. Second, even if all of Castro's time as Cuban leader is counted, Queen Elizabeth II has been serving for longer. And that, incidentally, points up the distinction. There is a ceremonial staircase at the U.N. General Assembly building which is reserved for heads of state. Queen Elizabeth has used it. The British prime minister does not use it. Wherever there is a prime minister, there is someone else -- a monarch, a president, or some such -- who is the head of state. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Jan 4 23:08:23 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Jan 4 23:08:28 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <1073274671.2EE8CAB@w5.dngr.org> References: <4.3.1.2.20040104222601.01ab1b00@pop.gis.net> <4.3.1.2.20040104222601.01ab1b00@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040104230641.01ab2ae0@pop.gis.net> I would suspect that Entercom would get FCC and Burlington's approvals before closing on any sale. At 07:50 PM 1/4/04 -0800, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Hmmmm 850 considering a move to Burlington???? > > > > >On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:37pm, Ron Bello wrote: >> >>Noticed in the Sunday Metrowest News real estate section the sale of >>1555 Central Avenue in Needham from Entercom Boston LLC to >>Needham Woods Corp for $1,935,000. From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 06:01:02 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Jan 5 06:01:06 2004 Subject: WCSH-TV Future Sportscaster? In-Reply-To: <000001c3d2c4$6bd74980$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040105110102.9440.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> --- Chuck Igo wrote: > Why yes, that was my son, Connor, wielding the mic > for his very first > stand-up on Channel 6's Newscenter Saturday (and > again Sunday morning). > During an open skating session with the U Maine > Black Bears Hockey > team, one of the station's ENG professionals, > Charlie Bird (or Byrd) was > filming the event for the evening's sports segment. I am pretty certain I saw that... Congrats! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From BriMatt1@aol.com Mon Jan 5 07:52:32 2004 From: BriMatt1@aol.com (BriMatt1@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 5 07:52:49 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site Message-ID: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> Relax, everyone...while I always enjoy reading everyone's speculation, the sale of the land was a reasonably small portion of the property (a few acres) which was spun off to a local developer. The bulk of Entercom's property, on which the array and the transmitter site sit, isn't going anywhere. John Kennedy Director of Engineering WAAF - WEEI - WRKO - WQSX - WVEI From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 5 08:07:23 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 5 08:09:31 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site References: <000001c3d33f$f4c0c3e0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <001601c3d38d$22fa8a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WRKO's three existing towers would serve WEEI just fine. If memory serves, the distance between the towers at 850 is 193.75 degrees, which is arguably a better spacing for producing a modified-figure-eight pattern than the 155-degree spacing at 680. In my opinion, the Burlington site is inherently superior to the Needham site because it allows much more efficient coverage of the market; the greater "efficiency" outweighs the fact that, because of the Burlington site's proximity to Hanscom Field, it is impossible to increase the tower heights to the ~600' of WEEI's current towers. (Actually, WEEI's towers are 640', 600', and 560'. It's a little-known fact that the towers are of unequal height; the FCC AM database errs on this statistic.) When the then WHDH moved to Needham in 1946, the FCC rules required that the station deliver 25 mV/m to the "principal business district" of the COL (that is, Boston). 850 does considerably better than 25 mV/m downtown, but doing so necessitates a pattern that wastes a good deal of energy over Massachusetts Bay. Instead of further spreading out to cover points north and south, the signal goes straight ahead--toward Boston. WRKO, on the other hand, actually has a broad, shallow null to the east-northeast--over the North Shore, yet delivers an excellent signal throughout Essex County. In addition, WRKO is nearly local on Cape Cod (because of the salt-water path over much of the distance) and in Southern NH. (Remember that when the then WLAW moved to Burlington, it had to deliver 25 mV/m to its COL, Lawrence.) For WEEI, the downside of a move to Burlington would be poorer nighttime coverage of affluent Wellesley, Natick, and maybe even Needham. WRKO's signal in those areas at night is not fantastic, but is probably adequate. All that said, I doubt that such a move is in the works. Entercom is most likely simply restructuring the way it holds its real estate. The big technical hurdle that an 850 move to Burlington might have to overcome is the installation of a transmission line to feed a second 50-kW signal to the towers. Since the property sits atop the aquifer for the Burlington water supply, I think the deed contains restrictive covenants on ANY further construction. My guess is that when the site was built (1940???) the transmission line was elevated, as was the custom in those days. When WRKO went DA-2 (around 1980--I think), I suspect that the transmission line was buried. Perhaps someone had enough foresight to bury a backup line at that time. If so, a line that WEEI could use is already in place. If not, despite the site's suitability and desirability, the court battles that would allow the installation of an additional line could be very expensive and time consuming and a successful outcome could not be guaranteed. Now, if Entercom were being sold to Clear Channel, I could imagine considerable effort being expended on making a WEEI move to Burlington happen. I suspect that WKOX's move to the WUNR site is dead. The perfect replacement site for WKOX (and maybe WRCA, which is planning to share the Oak Hill site with WKOX and WUNR) would be WEEI's Needham site. But WEEI's towers are too tall and too widely spaced for WKOX and WRCA. If the WEEI towers were to come down, however, Needham would probably permit their replacement with shorter towers. However, Entercom is not likely to do anything to help Clear Channel's WKOX compete with its WEEI or WRKO. If, however, Clear Channel owned WEEI and WRKO, the situation would be different. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill To: 'Kevin Vahey' ; 'Ron Bello' ; Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: RE: 850 Transmitter Site > Kevin: > > Hmmmm 850 considering a move to Burlington???? > > That would make for an interesting night array. Moving that much further > west, that is. Would the RKO array be > sufficient in it's current tower array to support WEEI? Can't imagine the > Town/City of Burlington enabling another tower (if needed). > > Bill O'Neill > From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 5 08:26:40 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 5 08:26:46 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c3d38f$8e73be80$9f00a8c0@boneill> John writes: > Relax, everyone...while I always enjoy reading everyone's > speculation, Relax? Is that an order, Mr. Director? the sale of the land was a reasonably small > portion of the property (a few acres) which was spun off to a > local developer. 1510.... Bill O'Neill From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jan 5 09:26:41 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon Jan 5 09:17:55 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <001601c3d38d$22fa8a00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: On 1/5/04 8:07 AM, "Dan Strassberg" wrote: > I suspect that WKOX's move to the WUNR site is dead. Not yet. My father, who lives in Newton, received the following Public Hearing notice in the mail last week. Here's the on-line version pasted from the City of Newton website: CITY OF NEWTON IN BOARD OF ALDERMEN I. Communications from His Honor the Mayor and other City Boards, Agencies, and Commissions. REFERRED TO LAND USE COMMITTEE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ASSIGNED FOR JANUARY 13, 2004 #541-03 CLEAR CHANNEL RADIO, BEASLEY BROADCASTING GROUP & CHAMPION BROADCASTING SYSTEM petition to AMEND Board Order nos. 91260 of 1947; 102720 of 1953; 105686 of 1954, 422-6, 552-66, and 781-73(2) and (3) for SPECIAL PERMIT/SITE PLAN APPROVAL and EXTENSION OF A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE to replace two existing 353? lighted towers for transmission of AM radio with five 199? unlighted transmission antennas (relocated), including the replacement and relocation of foundation piers, anchor mounts, footing, guy wires and outbuildings and renovation of interior and exterior of the existing transmission station building at 750 SAW MILL BROOK PARKWAY, Ward 8, on land known as Sec 84, Blk 10, Lot 57, containing approx 805,000 sf of land in a district zoned SINGLE RESIDENCE 3. Ref: Sec 30-24, 30-23, 30-18, 30-21(b), 30-8(b)(8) and (9) of the City of Newton Rev Zoning Ord. From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Jan 5 10:22:05 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:22:17 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> References: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> Message-ID: <1073316128.10EAF21A@w5.dngr.org> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 7:52am, BriMatt1@aol.com wrote: > Relax, everyone...while I always enjoy reading everyone's speculation, > the sale of the land was a reasonably small portion of the property (a > few acres) which was spun off to a local developer. The bulk of > Entercom's property, on which the array and the transmitter site sit, > isn't going anywhere. > > John Kennedy > Director of Engineering > WAAF - WEEI - WRKO - WQSX - WVEI From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Jan 5 10:23:39 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:23:56 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> References: <051567D6.2076E408.006FD67C@aol.com> Message-ID: <1073316222.21A204F7@s5.dngr.org> Just curious, with 850 in Laval, Quebec silent now for 4 years any hope of improving the signal to the NW. I am really tired of hearing Pan Yan, NY instead of the Sox. On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 7:52am, BriMatt1@aol.com wrote: > Relax, everyone...while I always enjoy reading everyone's speculation, > the sale of the land was a reasonably small portion of the property (a > few acres) which was spun off to a local developer. The bulk of > Entercom's property, on which the array and the transmitter site sit, > isn't going anywhere. > > John Kennedy > Director of Engineering > WAAF - WEEI - WRKO - WQSX - WVEI From sid@wrko.com Mon Jan 5 10:46:06 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:46:32 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site Message-ID: >>Just curious, with 850 in Laval, Quebec silent now for 4 years any hope of improving the signal to the NW. I am really tired of hearing Pan Yan, NY instead of the Sox.<< Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not giving up the allocations, and the frequencies are still "notified" to the FCC as being active, meaning that by treaty they must be taken into account when calculating directional patterns. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sven@gordsven.com Mon Jan 5 10:54:22 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:54:28 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not It would be stupid to give up the allocations since someone may apply for that spot on the dial in some not-too-distant future. Witness the new (well ok, two years old or something) station at AM 74 in Toronto that replaced CBC when they migrated totally to FM. -- Sven From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Jan 5 11:07:50 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:08:07 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c3d3a6$1307b550$6400a8c0@AMD> Have you guys at WEEI ever tried to have the FCC look into whether WYLF in Penn Yan, NY is really just running 45 watts at night? Here in Hanson, I'll often hear WYLF behind WEEI at night. I know other people across the northeast that are just as far from Penn Yan as I am have had the same problem. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:46 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: 850 Transmitter Site >>Just curious, with 850 in Laval, Quebec silent now for 4 years any hope of improving the signal to the NW. I am really tired of hearing Pan Yan, NY instead of the Sox.<< Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not giving up the allocations, and the frequencies are still "notified" to the FCC as being active, meaning that by treaty they must be taken into account when calculating directional patterns. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Jan 5 11:14:54 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:15:03 2004 Subject: WEEI signal was 850 Transmitter Site Message-ID: <1073319294.10E02D22@r31.dngr.org> People at WEEI maybe interested in reading this thread on a Red Sox board concerning WEEI and the Sox Network http://forums.redsoxnation.net/index.php?showtopic=134&st=0 I would ask the powers at Entercom to consider a radical move to improve nightime coverage of the Sox in the Northeast by making WWKB Buffalo a Sox station. For starters the 1520 blowtorch would cover every hole in New England network, plus tap into the large number of Sox fans in the NY area that have trouble getting WTIC at night. Plus there are a large number of Sox fans in the Buffalo market going back to the days when WSBK was carried on WNY cable. Buffalo has no MLB team so there is no problem in putting the Sox there. On 01/05/04 at 3:46 PM Sid Schweiger wrote: >> Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not giving up the allocations, and the frequencies are still "notified" to the FCC as being active, meaning that by treaty they must be taken into account when calculating directional patterns. > > > > Sid Schweiger > MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 5 11:30:40 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:31:33 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site References: Message-ID: <001701c3d3a9$5ca5a840$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Sid: I think "doubtful" is EXACTLY the operative word. The Canadians have "de-notified" very few of those now-dark AM allocations, but they have de-notified (or whatever the correct word) just a few. Recently, one must have been de-notified north of the the Twin Cities--and Canada must actually have provided advance notification. WDGY 630 Hudson Falls WI (St Paul) went on the air a decade or more ago after an earlier incarnation of 630 in Minneapolis (KDWB) had been dark for a number of years. (The reincarnated station took the unused legacy WDGY calls, which for years had been on 1130 in the Twin Cities.) Anyhow, for the last decade (and previously, with KDWB) the Twin Cities 630 has had to protect an AM 630 in Winnipeg. Now, however, I note that WDGY has applied for (and probably been granted) a change in transmitter location to the WCTS (1030) site south of St Paul with a large increase in night power and a new pattern that beams almost due north. The proposal to use the WCTS site is WDGY's third (at least) in this series, but all of the applications have been predicated on the idea that it's OK to blast a signal to the north, which had never previously been permissible. The only way this can work is if the Winnipeg station goes dark (something that I don't think has yet happened but must be in the offing). Also in the midwest, Salem successfully persuaded the CRTC (or Industrie Canada) to deep six an international notification for an unbuilt AM 1160 in North Bay ON, paving the way for WYLL Chicago to increase its night power from 5 kW (beaming southeast from a two- or three-tower array at a site northwest of Chicago, which will continue as WYLL's day site), to 50 kw from a 6-tower array at a new night-only site southwest of Chicago. The text of the WYLL application (which also involves big changes at WHBY, an 1150 station near Appleton WI) clearly states that Salem understands that North Bay must be sacrificed as a condition for granting WYLL's application and that it is Salem's understanding that Canada has indicated that it would look with favor on such a request. I could find no similar wording in the WDGY applications. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: Re: 850 Transmitter Site > >>Just curious, with 850 in Laval, Quebec silent now for 4 years any hope of improving the signal to the NW. I am really tired of hearing Pan Yan, NY instead of the Sox.<< > > Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not giving up the allocations, and the frequencies are still "notified" to the FCC as being active, meaning that by treaty they must be taken into account when calculating directional patterns. > > > > Sid Schweiger > MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > > From ssmyth@psu.edu Mon Jan 5 11:36:55 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:36:59 2004 Subject: WEEI signal was 850 Transmitter Site Message-ID: <200401051636.LAA24227@webmail7.cac.psu.edu> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:14:54 +0000, Kevin Vahey wrote: > For starters the 1520 blowtorch would cover every hole in New England > network, plus tap into the large number of Sox fans in the NY area that > have trouble getting WTIC at night. Plus there are a large number of > Sox fans in the Buffalo market going back to the days when WSBK was > carried on WNY cable. Buffalo has no MLB team so there is no problem in > putting the Sox there. Isn't it part of Toronto's market, though? I thought the Yankees could stay on 550 there since, well, the Yankees have always been on Buffalo radio. I'd love to see 1520 become the Sox affiliate for purely selfish reasons. I can pick it up a lot better in State College than WTIC. 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Removed From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 13:31:32 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 5 13:31:43 2004 Subject: WEEI signal was 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <1073319294.10E02D22@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20040105183132.99764.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > People at WEEI maybe interested in reading this > thread on a Red Sox > board concerning WEEI and the Sox Network One post on that thread says: "Expect the Sox to move to FM in Boston when the current deal with WEEi ends. This ownership is very aware of WEEi's limitations." I've mentioned before it's tough to pick up WEEI at the post office (in N. Reading) where I work at night, and it would be great if Entercom were to put the Sox games on WQSX (stick in nearby Peabody) though right now I doubt that will happen. (That is, either have WQSX keep current format and simulcast Sox games on 93.7 for better coverage, at least north of Boston; OR WEEI moving to 93.7...again, BOTH of those possibilities are extremely unlikely). So if the Sox decide to take their broadcast elsewhere-- maybe to an FM flagship in Boston, where? Greater Media's WTKK or WKLB? Infinity's WBCN or WODS? Who? From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 5 16:32:18 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 5 16:32:21 2004 Subject: #2 in the #1 Business! Message-ID: <000001c3d3d3$662fba70$9f00a8c0@boneill> The website for this list is number two for searches in the news and media category for the region per Alexa (Amazon). http://www.alexa.com/browse/categories?catid=360257 Bill O'Neill From paul@03038.com Mon Jan 5 17:35:46 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:35:12 2004 Subject: WEEI signal was 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <1073319294.10E02D22@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <002d01c3d3dc$4bc25a40$0e87fea9@q0002> Wouldn't that be in the Toronto Bluejays protected area? -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:15 AM To: sid@wrko.com; bri@bostonradio.org Subject: WEEI signal was 850 Transmitter Site People at WEEI maybe interested in reading this thread on a Red Sox board concerning WEEI and the Sox Network http://forums.redsoxnation.net/index.php?showtopic=134&st=0 I would ask the powers at Entercom to consider a radical move to improve nightime coverage of the Sox in the Northeast by making WWKB Buffalo a Sox station. For starters the 1520 blowtorch would cover every hole in New England network, plus tap into the large number of Sox fans in the NY area that have trouble getting WTIC at night. Plus there are a large number of Sox fans in the Buffalo market going back to the days when WSBK was carried on WNY cable. Buffalo has no MLB team so there is no problem in putting the Sox there. On 01/05/04 at 3:46 PM Sid Schweiger wrote: >> Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not giving up the allocations, and the frequencies are still "notified" to the FCC as being active, meaning that by treaty they must be taken into account when calculating directional patterns. > > > > Sid Schweiger > MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From beckwith@ime.net Mon Jan 5 22:15:42 2004 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Mon Jan 5 22:16:34 2004 Subject: #2 in the #1 Business! References: <000001c3d3d3$662fba70$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <024601c3d403$62329b60$b721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Would that be news to go to the dump by? :) Take care, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: #2 in the #1 Business! > The website for this list is number two for searches in the news and media > category for the region per Alexa (Amazon). > > http://www.alexa.com/browse/categories?catid=360257 > > Bill O'Neill > > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 6 00:30:07 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Jan 6 00:30:30 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFA018F.9993.936F52@localhost> On 5 Jan 2004 at 10:54, Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: > > Doubtful. While Canada is gradually silencing their AM's, they are not > It would be stupid to give up the allocations since someone may apply for > that spot on the dial in some not-too-distant future. Witness the new > (well ok, two years old or something) station at AM 74 in Toronto that > replaced CBC when they migrated totally to FM. Somehow it seems to be contradictory to be pursuing a policy of closing down AMs and moving them to FM, while at the same time allowing new AMs to be licensed in their place. Does that mean that someday the new AMs can also move to FM? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 6 01:25:25 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 6 01:25:44 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB Message-ID: <1073370328.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Buffalo could broadcast Oakland and Toronto has no say. I am dead serious, and no offense to the voice tracking Jack Armstrong, putting Sox night games on KB 1520 would be a huge, huge win for Entercom and give them a solid chance to renew the Sox contract. Honestly how can anybody at Entercom not agree with this? KB closes the nighttime holes in the network, and they keep it "in house" Even the non sports fans on this list have to concede the Red Sox are the biggest single radio property in Boston. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Jan 6 08:05:16 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Jan 6 08:04:02 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB In-Reply-To: <1073370328.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040106074431.00a31d40@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I am dead serious, and no offense to the voice tracking Jack Armstrong, >putting Sox night games on KB 1520 would be a huge, huge win for >Entercom and give them a solid chance to renew the Sox contract. Honestly >how can anybody at Entercom not agree with this? KB closes the nighttime >holes in the network, and they keep it "in house" > >Even the non sports fans on this list have to concede the Red Sox are the >biggest single radio property in Boston. In Boston maybe, but doubtfully in Buffalo. How marketable to Buffalo advertisers is having sports listeners in Maine, or even western Mass? I'm not sure there are enough Sox fans in Buffalo proper to make it worth it. If they can't sell the games to Buffalo advertisers, what benefit is it to KB? Don't they already carry some minor league team pbp? Granted, I have zero interest in sports, but I question the wisdom of breaking format to carry sports on a music station anyway. Football seems to work for AORs, but that's about it. With baseball, you've blown off regular programming almost every night for 6 months. KB needs all the consistency it can get given it's half-hearted attempt at an oldies format. It seems to me that the oldies & sports have totally (or nearly total) different audiences (just because the demos are similar doesn't mean it's the same listeners). I definitely get ticked if a favorite music station breaks format to carry a ball game of any kind. As far as a new radio home for the Sox...lotsa luck. WBZ is about the only AM station with a decent night signal, and I doubt they're gonna want to give up that much of their regular programming, even for something as lucrative as the Sox can be (though stranger things have happened). As for FM, other than perennial bottom dwellers like WBOS or WXRV I can't see any stations that are doing badly enough that they'd want to make that kind of a change (and I frankly doubt the compatability of baseball & AAA either). From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 6 08:25:58 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 6 08:26:02 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040106074431.00a31d40@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c3d458$9f8267c0$83f36041@Sean> Steve O. wrote: << In Boston maybe, but doubtfully in Buffalo. How marketable to Buffalo advertisers is having sports listeners in Maine, or even western Mass? I'm not sure there are enough Sox fans in Buffalo proper to make it worth it. If they can't sell the games to Buffalo advertisers, what benefit is it to KB? Don't they already carry some minor league team pbp? >> Traditionally MLB teams have put their broadcasts on a major-league (pun intended) flamethrowing flagship, hence the 'KB appeal. (And it may not be as much about advertising as keeping the Sox happy and the Sox may want a way to reach out to their western New England fan base.) Boston is the exception to the aforementioned rule. But ... << As far as a new radio home for the Sox...lotsa luck. WBZ is about the only AM station with a decent night signal, and I doubt they're gonna want to give up that much of their regular programming, even for something as lucrative as the Sox can be (though stranger things have happened). As for FM, other than perennial bottom dwellers like WBOS or WXRV I can't see any stations that are doing badly enough that they'd want to make that kind of a change (and I frankly doubt the compatability of baseball & AAA either). >> ... MLB has seemed to tacitly encouraged teams to move broadcasts to weaker-powered AM stations and FMs in recent years, with the Detroit Tigers and the WJR-to-WXYT deal a prime example. A potential reason: MLB wants to sell a bunch of its $19.99-a-year radio webcast packages. Lots of fans in Fort Wayne and northern Indiana, in addition to other locales across the upper midwest, were left in the lurch when WJR lost the Tigers contract three years ago. As for an FM that would take the Sox, 96.9 would be a perfect fit - a great signal as far as Boston FMs go, little other noise on the channel in the region, and a flexible format similar to what WRKO was 12, 13 years ago when it had Sox rights. And I understand Greater Media did bid on the most recent Sox, Patriots and Celtics radio contracts. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jan 6 09:27:17 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Jan 6 09:27:23 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? References: <200401022311.AA3585147116@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <00a901c3d461$3019a890$6400a8c0@brianhome> > The distracting RDS previously posted may not be needed. radio.about.com posted an article about www.yes.net - they list the currently playing song on more than 1000 stations nationwide. They also list all the songs played (by time) for the last 24 hours. The Boston list has 11 stations, Portland ME has 8. It also has a "Buy Now" button for the CD. > I checked it out on Sunday with Magic 106.7. It appeared that it was only picking up sporadic songs from her playlist (perhaps only ones on Magic's regular rotation). Is it possible that it didn't pick her up since she's not using the standard Magic playlist or was this just a temp tech glitch? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 6 10:01:09 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 6 10:01:21 2004 Subject: Brudnoy vows to be back Message-ID: <1073401273.EB7FEEE@w5.dngr.org> WBZ talk host David Brudnoy is gravely ill but vows to be back. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/01/06/a_visit_to_brudnoy/ From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 6 11:11:54 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:12:08 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? In-Reply-To: <00a901c3d461$3019a890$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <005001c3d46f$cf18e740$6400a8c0@AMD> This seems to happen a lot. I'm not sure how they are getting the song information from the stations, but it doesn't seem like its coming right out of stations' automation systems, because that would surely show every song that is played. I've noticed that on Top 40 stations anyway that it appears that only currents, recurrents, and recent golds are showing up. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Vita Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:27 AM To: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net; BRI Subject: Re: What Was That Song? > The distracting RDS previously posted may not be needed. radio.about.com posted an article about www.yes.net - they list the currently playing song on more than 1000 stations nationwide. They also list all the songs played (by time) for the last 24 hours. The Boston list has 11 stations, Portland ME has 8. It also has a "Buy Now" button for the CD. > I checked it out on Sunday with Magic 106.7. It appeared that it was only picking up sporadic songs from her playlist (perhaps only ones on Magic's regular rotation). Is it possible that it didn't pick her up since she's not using the standard Magic playlist or was this just a temp tech glitch? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Jan 6 11:39:01 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:39:06 2004 Subject: 850 Transmitter Site In-Reply-To: <3FFA018F.9993.936F52@localhost> References: <3FFA018F.9993.936F52@localhost> Message-ID: <200401061639.i06Gd124057642@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Somehow it seems to be contradictory to be pursuing a policy of > closing down AMs and moving them to FM, Whose policy is that? It's not the CRTC's policy, surely. (The CRTC's principal policy in that direction seems to be one of signal parity in market.) > Does that mean that someday the new AMs can also move to FM? By the time ``someday'' arrives, there will be no more FM channels available in most major Canadian cities. For some of these operators, it would be their third FM anyway, which the CRTC usually does not permit. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jan 6 11:39:36 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:39:38 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? In-Reply-To: <005001c3d46f$cf18e740$6400a8c0@AMD> Message-ID: <000d01c3d473$ac5fe880$c3ec33d1@alvin> > This seems to happen a lot. I'm not sure how they are getting > the song information from the stations, but it doesn't seem > like its coming right out of stations' automation systems, > because that would surely show every song that is played. > I've noticed that on Top 40 stations anyway that it appears > that only currents, recurrent, and recent golds are showing up. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA I'm guessing that the stuff that Jackie Brush plays on Sunday doesn't come through the barcode/jukebox system but rather CD's from within the studio. The songs that do show up are probably on the system. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Jan 6 11:41:16 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Jan 6 11:41:20 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB In-Reply-To: <1073370328.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> References: <1073370328.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200401061641.i06GfGg4057665@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Buffalo could broadcast Oakland and Toronto has no say. > I am dead serious, and no offense to the voice tracking Jack Armstrong, > putting Sox night games on KB 1520 would be a huge, huge win for > Entercom and give them a solid chance to renew the Sox contract. > Honestly how can anybody at Entercom not agree with this? KB closes the > nighttime holes in the network, and they keep it "in house" Perhaps Entercom is more interested in building 'KB in its own market rather than trying to serve distant markets at night where they have no existing listenership? -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Jan 6 12:04:33 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue Jan 6 12:05:04 2004 Subject: Need Someone To Roll Tape for Me Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040106120231.025af360@pop.registeredsite.com> Are any of you in the Providence area? I was just interviewed for a feature on WPRI channel 12 in Providence, called "Not to Be Forgotten", and we talked about the late great John Shepard 3rd. The feature runs in the 11pm news Sunday night, but I don't get channel 12 on my cable. Does anyone on this list get it, and if so, could you tape the newscast for me? From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 6 12:25:29 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 6 12:20:02 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB In-Reply-To: <200401061700.i06H03xO083455@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040106121930.02e893c8@gwind.pair.com> At 12:00 PM 1/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Perhaps Entercom is more interested in building 'KB in its own market >rather than trying to serve distant markets at night where they have >no existing listenership? Much as I'd love to have a more solid Sox signal here in Rochester, I'm not particularly thrilled with the idea of putting the Sox on KB, for several reasons: 1. Jackson Armstrong. He's already heavily pre-empted in his alleged 6-10 PM shift on KB (see below), and all his fans need is to have him knocked down to a one-hour shift even MORE often. Not a good way to build an oldies audience. 2. KB already has the Buffalo Bisons (AAA International League) on at night, and despite lots of speculation that they'd move the Bisons over to their Buffalo sports signal, WGR 550, they've remained rather stubbornly on 1520 for many seasons now. (I believe the team buys the time from Entercom and has a great deal of say over which signal they're on). That might make it hard to put the Sox on instead. 3. Though I have many good friends here in upstate NY who are diehard Sox fans (is there any other kind?), this is, sadly, Yankees country at heart. The Yanks moved from WGR to WNSA (107.7) last season, but with WNSA up for sale (thanks to Adelphia's financial crash) and Entercom rumored to be one of the top bidders, there's a great likelihood that the Yankees package will be available to WGR again in 2004 or, at the latest, 2005. I don't know that the Yankees - or Entercom - would want to run the risk of diminishing Yankees listenership on WGR by making the Sox available on KB. 4. I'm right in the skywave/groundwave phasing zone at night for 1520 here in Rochester. Most nights, I'd still get WTIC better! :-) s From mlaurence@mindspring.com Tue Jan 6 13:30:24 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue Jan 6 13:30:33 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d473$ac5fe880$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <6455A89E-4076-11D8-A46B-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Brian Vita wrote: > I'm guessing that the stuff that Jackie Brush plays on Sunday doesn't > come > through the barcode/jukebox system but rather CD's from within the > studio. > The songs that do show up are probably on the system. That's correct. But as I understand the system, every song that's played on Magic 106.7 outside the Sunday Morning specialty programming should show up on the RDS info screen. Mark From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 6 15:00:18 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:00:16 2004 Subject: #2 in the #1 Business! In-Reply-To: <024601c3d403$62329b60$b721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <001201c3d48f$b615f510$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Subject: Re: #2 in the #1 Business! > > > Would that be news to go to the dump by? :) > > Take care, > Chris I guess WDEV is ahead of its time! Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 6 15:06:44 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:06:49 2004 Subject: Bruds Message-ID: <001301c3d490$9c3453c0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Brian McGrory's article in today's Globe on how Brudnoy is doing. A poignant view. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/01/06/a_visit_to_br udnoy/# He's apparantly completed his chemo and radiation and is determined to return to the air by the end of the month. Bill O'Neill From aiese@post.harvard.edu Tue Jan 6 21:30:59 2004 From: aiese@post.harvard.edu (Eric Aiese) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:30:04 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? In-Reply-To: <200401061700.i06H03xM083455@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040106210205.05c13520@mail.ericaiese.com> Yes.net gets its data from Nielsen's Broadcast Data Systems, which monitors stations 24/7 for Billboard's charts. Their computer listening technology compares each spin against an audio fingerprint in their database. BDS accepts labels' submissions for new music/clips, so I imagine some indie labels never get around to submitting their new music, and likewise for the majors with their catalog material. Until recently, you'd see a lot of holes in the listings where old cuts or new/underground cuts might not register. These days, looking at the listings for Oldies 103.3, they've gotten the standard oldie library down. But for other stations -- say WBOT -- there are still a lot of holes over the course of an hour. I guess that it's a combination of underground/new music, gold, and remixes. Same deal with Magic 106.7, except it's probably older AC cuts that don't have to rely on BDS. Did anyone notice which Magic songs show up and which are skipped? Also, incidentally, does anyone know how the computers deal with stations that pitch up their music? EA At 12:00 PM 1/6/04, boston-radio-interest-request@rolinin.BostonRadio.org wrote: >This seems to happen a lot. I'm not sure how they are getting the song >information from the stations, but it doesn't seem like its coming right >out of stations' automation systems, because that would surely show >every song that is played. I've noticed that on Top 40 stations anyway >that it appears that only currents, recurrents, and recent golds are >showing up. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 6 21:47:57 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:42:15 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? Message-ID: <200401062147.AA1396637744@mail.ttlc.net> Eric Aiese wrote: >Yes.net gets its data from Nielsen's Broadcast Data Systems, which >monitors stations 24/7 for Billboard's charts. Their computer >listening technology compares each spin against an audio fingerprint >in their database. I wish they could distinguish special [re]mixes (i.e. not on the artist's CD and not available for the listener to buy) and state so. Total legal unavailability of the "Good Version" of a song still drives people to download illegally. And IMHO, I can't fault them. If the listeners can't buy it, then the record company (and artist) can't claim lost sales. From news@southstation.org Tue Jan 6 22:14:11 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Tue Jan 6 22:14:18 2004 Subject: Need Someone To Roll Tape for Me In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040106120231.025af360@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Hi Donna, Sunday night's 11 pm news? I'll do it for you. -Larry Lovering > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Donna Halper > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:05 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Need Someone To Roll Tape for Me > > > Are any of you in the Providence area? I was just interviewed for a > feature on WPRI channel 12 in Providence, called "Not to Be > Forgotten", and > we talked about the late great John Shepard 3rd. The feature runs in the > 11pm news Sunday night, but I don't get channel 12 on my cable. Does > anyone on this list get it, and if so, could you tape the > newscast for me? > > > From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Jan 6 22:18:17 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Jan 6 22:21:00 2004 Subject: What Was That Song? In-Reply-To: <200401062147.AA1396637744@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040106221307.00aa15d0@pop3.bit-net.com> rogerkirk wrote: >I wish they could distinguish special [re]mixes (i.e. not on the artist's >CD and not available for the listener to buy) and state so. Total legal >unavailability of the "Good Version" of a song still drives people to >download illegally. And IMHO, I can't fault them. If the listeners can't >buy it, then the record company (and artist) can't claim lost sales. Of course, this goes back many years to the mid-late 60s even when radio stations started playing promo-only versions of songs that were unavailable to the public. I remember being disappointed as a teenager when I'd buy the 45 of a song only to find that it was different than the version being played on the radio. At least buying the single was an option back then. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 6 23:50:19 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue Jan 6 23:50:25 2004 Subject: Bad news for DXers: IBOC Back on 93.7 (also still on 105.7) Message-ID: <00a601c3d4d9$c0c42e60$6400a8c0@AMD> Bad news for DXers. IBOC, or as I like to call it "Incredibly Bad Outrageous Crap" is back on 93.7 WQSX. From my location here on the South Shore, loud white noise is completely covering 93.5 and 93.9. Luckily I have a selective tuner, or it'd probably be worse. I remember last time they tested it, I saw some reports of people having trouble hearing WHJY in places where it's normally fine, I guess that will be happening again. In better IBOC news, WBZ had it off today, and has been broadcasting in AM Stereo! Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 7 01:44:50 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Jan 7 01:45:44 2004 Subject: Checked with MLB In-Reply-To: <000001c3d458$9f8267c0$83f36041@Sean> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040106074431.00a31d40@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FFB6492.31809.7F9CB8@localhost> On 6 Jan 2004 at 8:25, Sean Smyth wrote: > Traditionally MLB teams have put their broadcasts on a major-league (pun > intended) flamethrowing flagship, hence the 'KB appeal. (And it may not be > as much about advertising as keeping the Sox happy and the Sox may want a > way to reach out to their western New England fan base.) Boston is the > exception to the aforementioned rule. But ... When the Red Sox moved from WHDH to WITS, and at the same time from Channel 5 to Channel 38, my father, who had reception problems with both stations, remarked, "What's a major league club doing on minor league stations?" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 7 08:29:39 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 7 08:29:42 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: <000001c3d522$4e8e5160$9f00a8c0@boneill> Just sitting here watching MSNBC and the Imus show. Scanning the control room there are RRs, carts stacked all over, etc. What's the deal with that? Surprised that there isn't more digital storage going on. Although, it does bring back memories. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Jan 7 09:05:03 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:05:21 2004 Subject: WFAN References: <000001c3d522$4e8e5160$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <003601c3d527$45708a30$6400a8c0@brianhome> I noticed the same thing with the Howard Stern show on TV. Maybe they're just set pieces since a digital studio would be somewhat sterile? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: WFAN > Just sitting here watching MSNBC and the Imus show. Scanning the control room > there are RRs, carts stacked all over, etc. What's the deal with that? > Surprised that there isn't more digital storage going on. Although, it does > bring back memories. > > Bill O'Neill > From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 7 09:07:40 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:06:23 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <000001c3d522$4e8e5160$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107085835.00ab6b00@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: >Just sitting here watching MSNBC and the Imus show. Scanning the control room >there are RRs, carts stacked all over, etc. What's the deal with that? >Surprised that there isn't more digital storage going on. I've also seen pix in R&R of whatever station Scott Shannon is PD/AM drive of and there are full cart racks in the picture. Hasn't the announcers' union gotten their shorts all in a twist over voicetracking, and essentially made it impossible for stations to do? Maybe there are so many restrictions on "newfangled" technology written into various contracts as to not make it worth the hassle? Sigh. Do any NYC music stations still use separate announcer & board op? From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Jan 7 09:11:59 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:12:11 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <003601c3d527$45708a30$6400a8c0@brianhome> References: <000001c3d522$4e8e5160$9f00a8c0@boneill> <003601c3d527$45708a30$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <1073484722.26419D07@w5.dngr.org> I have a hunch that since NABET is still so strong in NYC that it may not be so easy for NYC stations to switch. On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 9:06am, Brian Vita wrote: > I noticed the same thing with the Howard Stern show on TV. Maybe > they're > just set pieces since a digital studio would be somewhat sterile? > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA > Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 > Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 > www.cssinc.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill O'Neill" > To: "Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:29 AM > Subject: WFAN > > >> Just sitting here watching MSNBC and the Imus show. Scanning the >> control > room >> there are RRs, carts stacked all over, etc. What's the deal with >> that? >> Surprised that there isn't more digital storage going on. Although, >> it > does >> bring back memories. >> >> Bill O'Neill >> From sven@gordsven.com Wed Jan 7 09:30:27 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Jan 7 09:30:38 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <1073484722.26419D07@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have a hunch that since NABET is still so strong in NYC that it may > not be so easy for NYC stations to switch. WOR and WABC use digital playback for commercials. I certainly know that for a fact at WOR. They also use MiniDisk for recording and archiving shows. There are still some cart machines and reel-to-reel decks at WOR. Even turntables. They're not really used much anymore though. Well, except for the turntables. Joe Franklin uses them for his Saturday overnight show. -- Sven From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 7 09:54:44 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:14:28 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: >>There are still some cart machines and reel-to-reel decks at WOR. Even turntables.<< ...as there are at WPLJ. Scott Shannon will NOT use digital playback for anything, so they have an entire separate studio for 'PLJ's morning show, equipped with turntables, reel and cart decks. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sven@gordsven.com Wed Jan 7 10:23:31 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:23:41 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Sid Schweiger wrote: > ...as there are at WPLJ. Scott Shannon will NOT use digital playback > for anything, so they have an entire separate studio for 'PLJ's morning > show, equipped with turntables, reel and cart decks. What about the rest of the air staff, can they use carts on air also? Maybe I'll start listening to WPLJ more often - I always liked the processing on that station anyway....I'm sick of all this digital #(*&!$@... -- Sven From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 7 10:46:40 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:47:05 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: >>What about the rest of the air staff, can they use carts on air also?<< Unless something's changed in the last five years, the studio with carts is only for the morning show's use. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 7 10:53:54 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:54:08 2004 Subject: Audioi (was: WFAN) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c3d536$748f3b40$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Maybe I'll start listening to WPLJ more often - I always liked the > processing on that station anyway....I'm sick of all this digital > #(*&!$@... > > -- > Sven I can't tell the difference but for the absence of cue scratches, feedback hum to the needle from cranking the speakers.... It seems that the cleaner digital source has prompted a cranking up of processing even more on some stations while others have chosen to back it down. Big thing I noticed on my Christmas visit to the Boston area was how LOUD all of the stations were set at. Painted on mod monitors at zero dB (ok, +1....) I understand competitive loudness issues, but the obliteration of dynamic range, accentuation of highs and lows to accomodate and it can be a real mess. I've noticed that WNCS (104.7 Montpelier) one of The Point stations has clearly dropped down its processing density. Overall, I'd have to say that Vermont (and other rural market areas I've checked out) tend to be less into running average mod as high as more competitive markets. Trade-off, one of many, I suppose. Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 7 11:45:40 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:40:14 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <200401071547.i07FlMxO087903@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107114038.02e8b4e0@gwind.pair.com> >I've also seen pix in R&R of whatever station Scott Shannon is PD/AM drive >of and there are full cart racks in the picture. Hasn't the announcers' >union gotten their shorts all in a twist over voicetracking, and >essentially made it impossible for stations to do? Maybe there are so >many restrictions on "newfangled" technology written into various >contracts as to not make it worth the hassle? Sigh. Do any NYC music >stations still use separate announcer & board op? At least in the case of Shannon and WPLJ, the cart racks (and the row of 8 ITC Deltas above the board) are there because he's the boss and that's what HE likes to work with. I think he - and some of the other old-timers like Rick Dees in LA - believe, not without justification, that the "classic" gear is more reliable than that newfangled digital stuff, and when you're selling AM drive spots at NYC prices, those make-goods can add up. (I was never privy to those stats at BZ, but I know we had a LOT of double audio and such during our transition to digital circa 1996-97, and I can just imagine what the makegoods must have looked like.) The Shannon studio with all the carts is used only for his morning show; there's another studio next door that has Audiovault and is used for the rest of the day. That said - and it being market #1, after all - AFTRA has made a big stink about voicetracking off-hours shifts in NYC and has reached agreements with several of the broadcasters there to remain live 24/7. I know Clear Channel was one; I don't know if ABC (WPLJ's parent company) is another. s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Jan 7 11:46:06 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:40:24 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: <200401071146.AA60752460@mail.ttlc.net> "Sid Schweiger" wrote: >Scott Shannon will NOT use digital playback for anything, so they have an entire separate studio for 'PLJ's morning show, equipped with turntables, reel and cart decks. Luddite? From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 7 12:11:17 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:11:42 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: >>At least in the case of Shannon and WPLJ, the cart racks (and the row of 8 ITC Deltas above the board) are there because he's the boss and that's what HE likes to work with.<< That's a change from five years ago. Back then they were Pacific Recorders Tomcats...the ones with the wider audio tracks and the narrower cue track. Their audio specs were considerably better than the standard audio carts, with all three tracks the same width. >>I think he - and some of the other old-timers like Rick Dees in LA - believe, not without justification, that the "classic" gear is more reliable than that newfangled digital stuff<< I was told that his primary concern was drop-ins. Supposedly he tried a 360 Systems Shortcut and hated it. The "newfangled digital stuff," when properly configured and maintained, is just as reliable as the "classic" gear. The key is maintenance. Just as tape equipment required constant cleaning and alignment (and remembering that most standard carts had horrible audio specs and would occasionally be eaten by the machines), digital gear requires standard computer maintenance as well as constant monitoring of disk space (everyone saves stuff, but no one ever deletes it until "drive full" messages start popping up). Unless a station has an in-house expert on digital automation systems, paying someone from the factory to come on-site and configure everything is worth the money, because things will work properly from day one. >>(I was never privy to those stats at BZ, but I know we had a LOT of double audio and such during our transition to digital circa 1996-97, and I can just imagine what the makegoods must have looked like.)<< Ah, Scott...you were supposed to keep the 10-kW on-site aux transmitter OFF while the automation was on...didn't they tell you that? ;-) Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 12:30:40 2004 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:30:44 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040107173040.62322.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:11:17 Sid Schweiger wrote: > The "newfangled digital stuff," when properly > configured and maintained, is just as reliable as > the "classic" gear. The key is maintenance. AMEN TO THAT!!!!! Why is it that almost NOBODY in radio today seems to understand that? They just install AudioVault or whatever digital sound system they decide to use, and just let it go and assume that it will work flawlessly. HELLO, MCFLY!! Ever hear of Windows needing to be periodically rebooted because of all the memory leaks contained within that will cause your system to crash?? Apparently the people in management at the company I used to work for didn't, and everytime the system would crash or do something strange, they would complain that AudioVault sucks and is a crappy system. And thats only the tip of the iceberg. Of course, then again maybe because I'm learning to be a computer programmer I've just learned to be savvy to these issues and the average person doesn't get it, but you'd still think that people or companies would prepare accordingly when installing a new digital automation system. Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From sven@gordsven.com Wed Jan 7 12:32:08 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:32:17 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Sid Schweiger wrote: > I was told that his primary concern was drop-ins. Supposed ly he tried a 360 Systems Shortcut and hated it. The 360 Systems' Instant Replay machine is great for quick drop-ins and sound effects, where you need speed - more than cart machines can provide. Better than carts. I will give it that. However I've always preferred carts for long-format stuff, like songs or jingles or commercials/PSAs. I was really annoyed when they removed and replaced the cart machines with a 360. They could have left me the carts -- I had a box full of 70s and 80s pop music all on carts that I had found on a dusty shelf at thecollege station I worked in and that's what I used on my show. All of a sudden one week I couldn't find my box of tapes anymore either.... :-( -- Sven From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Jan 7 13:21:09 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:27:51 2004 Subject: Stern no longer #1 in NY Message-ID: <1073500063.2B5F8852@s29.dngr.org> Of note the new #1 station according to Arbitron is Spanish Arbitron Fall 2003 mornings 1 WSKQ 8.0 2 WINS 6.9 3 WXRX 5.9 4 WLTW 4.7 5 WRKS 4.0 5 WHTZ 4.0 7 WCBS-AM 3.9 8 WKTU 3.6 9 WCBS-FM 3.4 10 WABC 3.3 10 WQHT 3.3 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 7 13:50:51 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 7 13:51:14 2004 Subject: Bad news for DXers: IBOC Back on 93.7 (also still on 105.7) Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:50:19 >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >To: "'BRI'" >Bad news for DXers. >IBOC, or as I like to call it "Incredibly Bad Outrageous Crap" is back >on 93.7 WQSX. From my location here on the South Shore, loud white noise >is completely covering 93.5 and 93.9. Luckily I have a selective tuner, >or it'd probably be worse. I remember last time they tested it, I saw >some reports of people having trouble hearing WHJY in places where it's >normally fine, I guess that will be happening again. > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA I don't do real DX-ing with FM much anymore. I remember when the FM dial had empty patches, and some FM's signed off at midnight (WCCM-FM,now WQSX, would sign off at about 9:00 PM except for an Irish music show.). Then, even outside of atmosphereic or tropo bumps, I could pick up FM's from NYC, even NJ actually transmitting from NJ. In the transition from WXHR 96.9 to the original WJIB-FM, 96.9 was silent for a few days and I could pick up the 96.9 in Verdun, PQ. I had a doctor's appoinment today (sorry humorless, feeble-minded holy rollers...it looks as though I'll live a bit longer) and had the opportunity to listen to Laura Ingraham live on WTPL-FM 107.7 in Hillsboro, NH. This is where the directional nature of FM antennas comes in. Of course KISS108 blasts over WTPL with my antenna facing Boston. Pointing it ESE weakens both outlets, but at an ENE orientation, I get WTPL very well (stereo squelched). I'm guessing the 93.5 FM you're attempting to pick up is the one on Cape Cod, and a directional FM receiving antenna should squelch QSX's adjacents. I don't know of any 93.9's ecept in Maine and you'd be facing the 93.7 tower in Peabody...the 93.9 in Franklin County, MA would probably be unreceivable anyway. The other adjacency separation I utilize is to separate Boston's WERS at 89.9, and NHPS's WEVO at 89.1. On the latter I tape NPR's "ON the Media" (no longer on WBUR; there's a story that goes with that, but never mind) Sundays just before LTAR. All of this is to note that sometimes reception problems on adjacent FM channels can be fixed with the right receving antenna...on AM, sometimes you can move a radio with a built-in antenna 45 degrees and separate adjacent signals usually during the daytime, but results are often less than satisfactory. (As strong as WCEC-AM 1110 is at my home, judicious positioning of the portable GE radio I use for LTAR is also able to pull in WBNW-AM 1120 days.) Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 7 14:01:52 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:02:11 2004 Subject: Stern no longer #1 in NY Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:21:09 >From: Kevin Vahey >To: Boston Radio Mailing List >Of note the new #1 station according to Arbitron is Spanish > >Arbitron Fall 2003 mornings >1 WSKQ 8.0 >2 WINS 6.9 >3 WXRX 5.9 >4 WLTW 4.7 >5 WRKS 4.0 >5 WHTZ 4.0 >7 WCBS-AM 3.9 >8 WKTU 3.6 >9 WCBS-FM 3.4 >10 WABC 3.3 >10 WQHT 3.3 > I checked out the NYC rating at rronline.com right after they appeared, and noticed that included among the top 25 stations 12-and-over was WWRU 1660 (not to be confused with WWRL 1600, unless the diarists confused the two). It appears this is the second time (including Arbitrends) that AM 1660 showed up. Is this the only X-panded band AM in the country doing this well? Another observation: a year ago or thereabouts, the Jibguy remarked that WQXR-FM in NYC was number one overall in adjacent Westchester County. Now a little over a year later, the 12-and-over number for QXR is down somewhat, although very high for a classical outlet, but its position has moved downward considerably. Someone on the NYC Radio Message Board in another context opined that diaries in Westchester County are scattershot at best and responses are below what Arbitron gets from the City. All that has to happen is a for few people near the Bronx to turn in their books and the folks in Scarsdale to lose them like a lottery player in Cleveland, and the numbers can switch like a seesaw. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 7 14:15:33 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:16:08 2004 Subject: Peter Brown out at Channel 4? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040107141354.02645270@pop.registeredsite.com> What's this hot rumour on Newsblues.com that channel 4's news director Peter Brown is being replaced? And how are they gonna keep their "local news" branding if they are being told to get rid of the WBZ-TV calls and use only CBS 4? Enquiring minds wanna know... From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 7 14:19:16 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:19:35 2004 Subject: Audioi (was: WFAN) Message-ID: -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:53:54 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "'Sven Franklyn Weil'" ,"'Sid >Schweiger'" >Cc: bri@bostonradio.org >> Maybe I'll start listening to WPLJ more often - I always liked the >> processing on that station anyway....I'm sick of all this digital >> #(*&!$@... >> >> -- >> Sven > >I can't tell the difference but for the absence of cue scratches, feedback hum >to the needle from cranking the speakers.... > >Bill O'Neill People who want to hear such blasts from the past should czeck out the Orgy(tm) period this month on Harvard's W-H-RB-FM 95.3. Several of the acoustical jazz and classical orgies will cull from WHRB's ancient library of LP's, some of which have not received the best of care in handling. W-H-RB doesn't hesitate to use LP's in its regular programming so I'm sure many a student at what Alex Beam sardonically calls the World's Greatest University, have wondered what those recurrent swishes, clicks and pops could be. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 7 14:38:22 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:38:30 2004 Subject: Peter Brown out at Channel 4? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040107141354.02645270@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <003101c3d555$d0f54fe0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Donna enquires: And how are they gonna keep > their "local > news" branding if they are being told to get rid of the > WBZ-TV calls and > use only CBS 4? Enquiring minds wanna know... Not that the "circle K" logo (a Lobel early-on quip) was anything to write home about, but burying heritage calls like doobita bz doesn't make any sense. Viewing the recent WBZ news promos, they were definitely skewed to the softer side, with all but one of the personalities in the spot women. The whole spot tone was clearly a constrast to the rougher, jostly Channel 7. As for the overall presentation, the new(er) news readers seems too smooth, polished, happy. Did I mention smooth? Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 7 15:39:46 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:39:53 2004 Subject: Stern no longer #1 in NY In-Reply-To: <1073500063.2B5F8852@s29.dngr.org> References: <1073500063.2B5F8852@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107153838.02546d10@mail.mac.com> At 01:21 PM 1/7/2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Of note the new #1 station according to Arbitron is Spanish > >Arbitron Fall 2003 mornings >1 WSKQ 8.0 >2 WINS 6.9 >3 WXRX 5.9 >4 WLTW 4.7 >5 WRKS 4.0 >5 WHTZ 4.0 >7 WCBS-AM 3.9 >8 WKTU 3.6 >9 WCBS-FM 3.4 >10 WABC 3.3 >10 WQHT 3.3 OK, which of those numbers represents Stern, which station is he on? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Jan 7 15:45:53 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:45:52 2004 Subject: Stern no longer #1 in NY In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040107153838.02546d10@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <00d301c3d55f$3ff36130$6400a8c0@AMD> He's on 92.3 WXRK. There was a typo on that list, WXRX was supposed to be WXRK. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:40 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Stern no longer #1 in NY At 01:21 PM 1/7/2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Of note the new #1 station according to Arbitron is Spanish > >Arbitron Fall 2003 mornings >1 WSKQ 8.0 >2 WINS 6.9 >3 WXRX 5.9 >4 WLTW 4.7 >5 WRKS 4.0 >5 WHTZ 4.0 >7 WCBS-AM 3.9 >8 WKTU 3.6 >9 WCBS-FM 3.4 >10 WABC 3.3 >10 WQHT 3.3 OK, which of those numbers represents Stern, which station is he on? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 7 15:48:02 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:48:42 2004 Subject: Stern no longer #1 in NY Message-ID: >>OK, which of those numbers represents Stern, which station is he on?<< WXRK. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 7 19:26:06 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 7 19:26:29 2004 Subject: Will Boston Stations Accept XM Ads After This Message-ID: I've heard spots for XM Satellite radio on WRKO-AM, so I wouldn't be surprised if they also air on other Entercom outlets. I don't specifically recall hearing XM spots on any other Boston radio stations, but it's possible. Now, as rronline.com and other sites have reported, XM will be offering local continuous weather for selected markets. Boston's is supposed to start April 1st (no kidding). Can something like Metro news be far behind? Was it Lenin who said that capitalists will sell the Bolsheviks the rope they'll use to hang them (the capitalists)? If any Boston area station accepts XM ads now, it could amount to nearly the same thing. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From stevewest106@hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 20:26:34 2004 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:38:26 2004 Subject: Will Boston Stations Accept XM Ads After This Message-ID: >I've heard spots for XM Satellite radio on WRKO-AM, >so I wouldn't be surprised if they also air on other >Entercom outlets. I don't specifically recall hearing >XM spots on any other Boston radio stations, but it's possible. I find that strange, since over a year ago, Entercom said it wouldn't be airing any spots for satellite radio. Clear Channel I expect to since they are an XM investor. >Now, as rronline.com and other sites have reported, XM >will be offering local continuous weather for selected >markets. Boston's is supposed to start April 1st (no kidding). >Can something like Metro news be far behind? Was it >Lenin who said that capitalists will sell the Bolsheviks >the rope they'll use to hang them (the capitalists)? >If any Boston area station accepts XM ads now, it could >amount to nearly the same thing. The way I understood the satellite radio concept as it was conceived and discussed around the government types back around 1990, this was not supposed to be a local service at all... in fact there was so much flap in the beginning over them even using terrestrial repeaters for signal continuity that it seemed the two services might not even launch. As we know those objections were overcome. Now today comes news that both services will be adding new channels and the above mentioned local weather service, and even video. Here's a scenario for you. What if, much like DirecTV, XM/Sirius offer full-blown local radio channels based upon listener's zip codes? Would then Kiss 108, Jamn and even WBZ 1030 feel the heat? What's to stop them? XM says they will have about 130 channels of programming later this year. And I'll be listening on my Sony XM receiver (gang, it really IS better than FM) Thoughts? Steve West www.airchexx.com www.99x-fm.com _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 7 20:53:19 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:59:38 2004 Subject: Bad news for DXers: IBOC Back on 93.7 (also still on 105.7) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107205128.00a7a510@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >I'll live a bit longer) and had the opportunity >to listen to Laura Ingraham live on WTPL-FM 107.7 in >Hillsboro, NH. This is where the directional nature of >FM antennas comes in. Of course KISS108 blasts over WTPL >with my antenna facing Boston. Pointing it ESE weakens > both >outlets, but at an ENE orientation, I get WTPL very >well (stereo squelched). WTPL doesn't broadcast in stereo anyway. The pilot is turned off. From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 7 20:57:21 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:59:43 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: References: <1073484722.26419D07@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107205552.00a70050@pop3.bit-net.com> Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: >There are still some cart machines and reel-to-reel decks at WOR. >Even turntables. They're not really used much anymore though. Well, >except for the turntables. Joe Franklin uses them for his Saturday >overnight show. I'm not usually up at that hour. What does he do on the air? I had thought that WOR just ran a "best of" Joey Reynolds on weekends. Maybe it's just the network. From sven@gordsven.com Wed Jan 7 21:13:47 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Jan 7 21:13:55 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107205552.00a70050@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I'm not usually up at that hour. What does he do on the air? I had > thought that WOR just ran a "best of" Joey Reynolds on weekends. Maybe > it's just the network. Joe Franklin does a nostalgia-themed show. Trivia, a little bit of old radio dramas and music. The Joey Reynolds best of is on the WOR Radio Network feed. Don't remember whether it's WOR-1 or WOR-2. -- Sven From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 7 21:30:30 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 7 21:29:49 2004 Subject: Will Boston Stations Accept XM Ads After This In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107212013.00a43720@pop3.bit-net.com> Steve West wrote: >Now today comes news that both services will be adding new channels and >the above mentioned local weather service, and even video. Here's a >scenario for you. What if, much like DirecTV, XM/Sirius offer full-blown >local radio channels based upon listener's zip codes? Would then Kiss >108, Jamn and even WBZ 1030 feel the heat? What's to stop them? XM says >they will have about 130 channels of programming later this year. Curiously, (assuming they actually happen) will the "local Boston" channels be audible only within a certain geographic area, or do you just need to be a resident of said area to subscribe, but will be able to receive them wherever you can get an XM signal? Will you even need to subscribe separately to the "local" channels? Will any subscriber, anywhere be able to listen to San Diego weather? Doesn't XM have over 100 channels now? (I'm just full of questions tonight!) Expanding to 130 won't allow for very many regional channels. I'm not a DirectTv subscriber, but aren't the "local" channels just rebroadcasts of terrestrial signals? If the same scenario applies to XM, then my guess is that WBZ, Kiss 108, etc. will want to get their stations on the service. How were the objections to XM's repeaters resolved? I thought there was a stipulation in there somewhere stating that they would not do locally targeted programming. Maybe only for a certain time period? From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Jan 7 22:28:58 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Jan 7 22:29:03 2004 Subject: WFAN References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107114038.02e8b4e0@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <004401c3d597$8d8864d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: Re: WFAN > I think he - and some of the other old-timers like > Rick Dees in LA - believe, not without justification, that the "classic" > gear is more reliable than that newfangled digital stuff, and when you're > selling AM drive spots at NYC prices, those make-goods can add up. (I was > never privy to those stats at BZ, but I know we had a LOT of double audio > and such during our transition to digital circa 1996-97, and I can just > imagine what the makegoods must have looked like.) >From my experience working with a digital studio at WYNZ, the new fangled equipment was more reliable than the old stuff. 99% of missed spots were due to human error. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed Jan 7 22:42:35 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed Jan 7 22:42:37 2004 Subject: Clear Channel and cereal? Message-ID: <000c01c3d599$74477ae0$83f36041@Sean> So this is the second year in a row Clear Channel has issued a specialty breakfast cereal here in Pennsylvania. Last year it was Hershey Bears Crunch. This year it's Penn State Crunch. It's being sold in all the normal grocery stores and Clear Channel is actually listed as the company producing this. I know Clear Channel doesn't have sports rights here in Boston but ... does anyone know of any other situations where Clear Channel is making cereal? And what benefit does this give them? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 8 00:17:16 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:17:26 2004 Subject: XM Radio w/ Local WX Message-ID: <006c01c3d5a6$aef84720$6400a8c0@brianhome> The answers to many of the questions previously posted about the new XM services can be found right on their web pages. http://www.xmradio.com/lineup/index.jsp XM is using a block of channels for weather in major metros. Each city is assigned a unique channel. Boston will be channel 211. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 8 00:46:47 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:47:07 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <20040107173040.62322.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3FFCA877.27231.78FA8C@localhost> On 7 Jan 2004 at 9:30, Matthew Osborne wrote: > Ever hear of Windows needing to be periodically rebooted because of all > the memory leaks contained within that will cause your system to > crash?? That must be why I have so much fewer crashes than some people. My parents taught me to turn things off when I'm through using them. I still do that every day with my computers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 8 00:46:47 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:47:12 2004 Subject: Bad news for DXers: IBOC Back on 93.7 (also still on 105.7) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FFCA877.12409.78FAEC@localhost> On 7 Jan 2004 at 13:50, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I don't do real DX-ing with FM much anymore. I remember when the FM > dial had empty patches, and some FM's signed off at midnight > (WCCM-FM,now WQSX, would sign off at about 9:00 PM except for an Irish > music show.). When 93.7 first came on, it was WGHJ, simulcasting WCCM programming, and it signed off at sunset when WCCM signed off. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 06:57:30 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu Jan 8 06:57:43 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040108115730.15999.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> We had one of those at one of CC's stations in Bangor... And WKIT, Brewer has one... Honestly, tho, I'd rather have Cool Edit Pro. Last time I checked, a moderate computer w/ a licensed copy of CE Pro was cheaper than buying a 360 shortcut. > The 360 Systems' Instant Replay machine is great for > quick drop-ins and > sound effects, where you need speed - more than cart > machines can provide. > Better than carts. I will give it that. > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 8 07:51:36 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 8 07:50:29 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040107114038.02e8b4e0@gwind.pair.com> References: <200401071547.i07FlMxO087903@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040108074946.00ac2280@pop3.bit-net.com> Scott Fybush wrote: I was never privy to those stats at BZ, but I know we had a LOT of double audio and such during our transition to digital circa 1996-97, and I can just imagine what the makegoods must have looked like. I thought that WBZ was using Mediatouch long before that...late 80s/early 90s maybe? From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 8 07:55:54 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 8 07:54:37 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <20040108115730.15999.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040108075343.00ac3470@pop3.bit-net.com> Cooper Fox wrote: >We had one of those at one of CC's stations in >Bangor... And WKIT, Brewer has one... Honestly, tho, >I'd rather have Cool Edit Pro. Last time I checked, a >moderate computer w/ a licensed copy of CE Pro was >cheaper than buying a 360 shortcut. Kind of apples & oranges though...CEP (or any other similar product) would be a bit clumsy to use for quick drop-ins. Shortcut has a large number of hotkeys. > > The 360 Systems' Instant Replay machine is great for > > quick drop-ins and > > sound effects, where you need speed - more than cart > > machines can provide. > > Better than carts. I will give it that. > > > >===== >Magic 104 >North Conway, NH >V: (603)356-8870 >F: (603)356-8875 >Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com >Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From mlaurence@mindspring.com Thu Jan 8 09:04:17 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:04:19 2004 Subject: Will Boston Stations Accept XM Ads After This In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C870F73-41E3-11D8-A46B-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 08:26 PM, Steve West wrote: > What if, much like DirecTV, XM/Sirius offer full-blown local radio > channels based upon listener's zip codes? Would then Kiss 108, Jamn > and even WBZ 1030 feel the heat? What's to stop them? XM says they > will have about 130 channels of programming later this year. And I'll > be listening on my Sony XM receiver (gang, it really IS better than > FM) DirecTV and Dish Network don't originate any local progamming. They don't even offer the local crawls and graphics from The Weather Channel. They only rebroadcast local stations, partially because of government requirements, and partially because of the continued strength and appeal of local and network broadcast television. If satellite radio followed the same route, they would offer local radio signals, and it would not be long before government regulation forced them to offer every single local station in the country to its home market. How they would ever accomplish this, especially when half their audience is driving around in cars, is beyond me. Mark From sgitschier@cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 8 09:09:20 2004 From: sgitschier@cfl.rr.com (Sandra Gitschier) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:09:29 2004 Subject: Car radios References: <013501c3d179$bc8ab200$0100007f@boneill> Message-ID: <003901c3d5f1$0653dda0$dca40843@gitschierzoo> My commuter car, a 2002 Kia Rio is bleeping horrible for ignition/brain noise on AM. I ran a seperate ground wire to my factory AM/FM/CD to the engine block with no avail. I'm going for making a filter for the power 12+ line and see how much of it comes through the line. The antenna is mounted just rearward of the windshield on the roof, driver side door area. My next course of action likely should be seeing about installing a rear-mounted whip around the trunk area. Being an AM DX buff, the interference drives me bonkers. Ron Gitschier Palm Coast, FL (hometown Lowell, MA) From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 8 12:17:06 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 8 12:11:39 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <200401081700.i08H02xO092970@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040108121432.03a343f0@gwind.pair.com> At 12:00 PM 1/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Scott Fybush wrote: >I was never privy to those stats at BZ, but I know we had a LOT of double >audio and such during our transition to digital circa 1996-97, and I can >just imagine what the makegoods must have looked like. > > >I thought that WBZ was using Mediatouch long before that...late 80s/early >90s maybe? Yes, but in a weird way. Rather than using digital audio storage, the touchscreens simply remote controlled a bank of carts (can't remember the brand name, though we cursed it every day for years) on the other side of the window in master control. One of the MC op's most important responsibilities was to make sure the right carts were loaded in the right slots in the beast each hour. It wasn't until the move from the old studios on the west side of the building to the new ones adjacent to TV news on the south side that we dumped the carts and went fully digital. s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 8 13:31:18 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 8 13:25:35 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: <200401081331.AA1845493918@mail.ttlc.net> Cooper Fox noted: >Honestly, tho, I'd rather have Cool Edit Pro. Last time I checked, a >moderate computer w/ a licensed copy of CE Pro was cheaper than buying >a 360 shortcut. As a fan of Cool Edit, I agree it WAS a great program. However, since Adobe bought Syntrillium in May of 2003, it now Adobe Audition. As a user entitled to a free upgrade, my son downloaded it, installed it and it immediately erased all the presets he had so carefully created over the years. Need I say any more? From news@southstation.org Thu Jan 8 13:36:02 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Thu Jan 8 13:36:27 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <200401081331.AA1845493918@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: > From: rogerkirk > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:31 PM > To: Sven Franklyn Weil; Cooper Fox > Subject: Re: WFAN > > > As a fan of Cool Edit, I agree it WAS a great program. However, > since Adobe bought Syntrillium in May of 2003, it now Adobe > Audition. As a user entitled to a free upgrade, my son downloaded > it, installed it and it immediately erased all the presets he had > so carefully created over the years. > > Need I say any more? > I've used Cool Edit Pro for a couple of years, and was also eligible to upgrade to Adobe Audition. I kept CEP on my system and it kept all my presets. By the way, a software punch box that is easy to use is Stinger, from BSI. It's best used from a separate system, I use a mini keyboard with that, and all of the keys are tied to a slot. -Larry Lovering www.southstation.org From wnbp.radio@verizon.net Thu Jan 8 14:30:18 2004 From: wnbp.radio@verizon.net (Matt Stevens) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:30:31 2004 Subject: WFAN References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040108121432.03a343f0@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <003601c3d61d$d9a3eb60$6801a8c0@programm> At 12:00 PM 1/8/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Scott Fybush wrote: Yes, but in a weird way. Rather than using digital audio storage, the > touchscreens simply remote controlled a bank of carts (can't remember the > brand name, though we cursed it every day for years) on the other side of > the window in master control. One of the MC op's most important > responsibilities was to make sure the right carts were loaded in the right > slots in the beast each hour. The cart decks were IGM Instacarts. They had 48 slots and a motor and long capstan for each row of carts. The carts would be inserted on little sheet metal trays with the pinch rollers built in to them. All 48 tape heads shared one amplifier and output so if a cart jammed and you went to another one, the first cart would get "unstuck" ..you'd get two spots on the air at once. The only thing you could do is kill the power to the unit and start over. Aligning all 48 heads was a real chore..it required two people. One person behind the rack to loosen the head mounts with a very long screwdriver and another person in front to twist the head with a special tool (that would always get lost). Twist very gently for the best output with a 10k tone, then the guy in back tightened the mount hoping he didnt move the head. One head down...47 to go! What fun back in the 80s when we had the same brand machines at WZID in Manchester during the B/EZ days. Matt Stevens WNBP Newburyport Where OnAirWare plays everything digitally www.onairware.com From hmglaz@webtv.net Thu Jan 8 16:44:54 2004 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:45:03 2004 Subject: More on XM In-Reply-To: boston-radio-interest-request@rolinin.BostonRadio.org's message of Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:00:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13095-3FFDCF56-7944@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> As I understand it, XM found a loophole in its agreement with the NAB to allow for the local weather/traffic service. The exact nature of the loophole is a matter of conjecture -- I've seen various attempts to explain it -- but it apparently has something to do with the programming coming from the satellite to the repeater rather than being originated in the local market and fed to the repeater by microwave or landline. Sneaky, but legal, as I understand it. XM -- and its rival, Sirius -- have bandwidth to spare; they've chosen to limit their streams to about 100 to preserve audio quality on their music channels. The talk/news/sports channels on XM sound very compressed and tinny, which is the way the weather/traffic channels will likely sound. That sort of audio would be unacceptable on a music stream, so those streams get a little more room to spread out. Adding a couple of dozen narrow weather/traffic channels probably won't affect musical audio quality significantly. The hope is that, as compression technology advances, the quality will eventually improve even with the addition of channels. I've been an XM subscriber for about a year and enjoy its musical range immensely. Unfortunately, it's sounding less and less like radio and more and more like Music Choice. Each round of cost cutting seems to cost on-air personalities their jobs. Right now, most of the music streams are either jukebox-like song-after-song affairs with liners and sweepers, or hosted by one person who is voicetracked 100 percent of the time. The most talent assigned to any one channel is three announcers, and they generally have one live shift each weekday with the rest voicetracked. I'd imagine XM is a non-union shop... Howard From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 8 17:49:25 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:49:45 2004 Subject: Channel 62 Sold to E.W. Scripps Message-ID: The holding company of the "Shop At Home Channel" has loosened its grip enough for a significant interest to be bought by E.W. Scripps Co, as reported in the FCC's Daily Digest. This means they will eventually own WMFP-TV channel 62 (don't know its DT #)in part at least. It will still apparently remain a home shopping channel. Read all about it at: http://cfapps.scripps.com/announce/announce.asp?sub=showdoc&IDAnnounce=654 I hope it works; I test these on google and they made it difficile (a little French lingo) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Jan 8 18:07:00 2004 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Thu Jan 8 18:04:00 2004 Subject: More on XM References: <13095-3FFDCF56-7944@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3FFDE294.9080507@comcast.net> What XM agreed to was not to have reports produced locally and fed to area listeners via their land-based repeaters. It looks like XM is expanding the number of channels and each major city will have a channel with local content. All of the content will be produced at their main facility and can be accessed by any XM subscriber anywhere. So, Boston will have it's own weather/traffic/news channel (along with 20 other cities) and you can get it whether you're on 128 or on the 405 in LA. The repeaters won't be broadcasting any unique programming that isn't already available on the main feed. The NAB is just upset that XM is horning in on their territory--local information. Mike Thomas Howard Glazer wrote: >As I understand it, XM found a loophole in its agreement with the NAB to >allow for the local weather/traffic service. The exact nature of the >loophole is a matter of conjecture -- I've seen various attempts to >explain it -- but it apparently has something to do with the programming >coming from the satellite to the repeater rather than being originated >in the local market and fed to the repeater by microwave or landline. >Sneaky, but legal, as I understand it. > >XM -- and its rival, Sirius -- have bandwidth to spare; they've chosen >to limit their streams to about 100 to preserve audio quality on their >music channels. The talk/news/sports channels on XM sound very >compressed and tinny, which is the way the weather/traffic channels will >likely sound. That sort of audio would be unacceptable on a music >stream, so those streams get a little more room to spread out. Adding a >couple of dozen narrow weather/traffic channels probably won't affect >musical audio quality significantly. The hope is that, as compression >technology advances, the quality will eventually improve even with the >addition of channels. > >I've been an XM subscriber for about a year and enjoy its musical range >immensely. Unfortunately, it's sounding less and less like radio and >more and more like Music Choice. Each round of cost cutting seems to >cost on-air personalities their jobs. Right now, most of the music >streams are either jukebox-like song-after-song affairs with liners and >sweepers, or hosted by one person who is voicetracked 100 percent of the >time. The most talent assigned to any one channel is three announcers, >and they generally have one live shift each weekday with the rest >voicetracked. I'd imagine XM is a non-union shop... > >Howard > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 8 18:53:10 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Jan 8 18:53:14 2004 Subject: More on XM In-Reply-To: <13095-3FFDCF56-7944@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <000401c3d642$92fb6380$c3ec33d1@alvin> > XM -- and its rival, Sirius -- have bandwidth to spare; XM also offers an aviation service that beams down weather radar maps to aircraft crossing the Continental US. This is an expensive subscription service that I was reading about in one of my flying mags recently. Jet Blue announced yesterday that they will be providing XM for in flight entertaiment. I wonder if its piggy backed on to their wx receivers... Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 8 19:57:43 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 8 19:58:08 2004 Subject: More on XM References: <000401c3d642$92fb6380$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <003101c3d64b$97268080$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Why does XM have an agreement with the NAB to begin with? From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 8 20:15:00 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:15:05 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! Message-ID: <004001c3d64e$01106270$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> A group opposed to proposed Medicaid cuts in Maine has proposed that the budget cap be filled by eliminating the sales tx emption for business advertising so that Maine's 5% sales tax would be imposed on all business advertising. The estimate is that this will bring in $31 million per year. How much chance is that their proposal will be adopted? No chance. I'm not sure who came up with this idea but targeting the media for a tax hike is bad strategy. They will never let it happen. The Blethen newspapers loves to talk about eliminating sales tax exemptions but they never go to Augusta to suggest imposing a sales tax on newspapers or advertising. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 8 21:00:39 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 8 20:59:25 2004 Subject: More on XM In-Reply-To: <13095-3FFDCF56-7944@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040108205452.00acb880@pop3.bit-net.com> Howard Glazer wrote: >I've been an XM subscriber for about a year and enjoy its musical range >immensely. Unfortunately, it's sounding less and less like radio and >more and more like Music Choice. Each round of cost cutting seems to >cost on-air personalities their jobs. Right now, most of the music >streams are either jukebox-like song-after-song affairs with liners and >sweepers, I'd actually almost prefer it that way. If I was paying for a music service I'd want it relatively free of clutter. The couple of times I listened to my brother in law's XM, I found the djs too, for lack of a better term, satellite format-ish (ie-really generic like a syndicated satellite format), and not particularly entertaining...imho, the djs really didn't add much...the receivers can display song info anyway. From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jan 8 22:36:03 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu Jan 8 22:27:17 2004 Subject: Clear Channel and cereal? In-Reply-To: <000c01c3d599$74477ae0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: On 1/7/04 10:42 PM, "Sean Smyth" wrote: > So this is the second year in a row Clear Channel has issued a specialty > breakfast cereal here in Pennsylvania. Last year it was Hershey Bears > Crunch. This year it's Penn State Crunch. It's being sold in all the > normal grocery stores and Clear Channel is actually listed as the > company producing this. I know Clear Channel doesn't have sports rights > here in Boston but ... does anyone know of any other situations where > Clear Channel is making cereal? And what benefit does this give them? Where is the cereal listed as being manufactured by Clear Channel? >From what I can find on the web about it, including this article: http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2003/08/18/daily26.html The cereal is manufactured by Ralston (a leading manufacturer of "generic" cereals and other foods that are branded with names of supermarket chains and for various other specific promotions), and I can't find anything anywhere linking Ralston with Clear Channel. Perhaps Penn State's Sports Department is using Clear Channel's marketing division as a creative agency to develop these cereal promotions, but I'm not finding any evidence of that either. Eli Polonsky From nuhuc@juno.com Thu Jan 8 22:32:08 2004 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Thu Jan 8 22:33:06 2004 Subject: WFAN Message-ID: <20040108.223208.-935325.0.nuhuc@juno.com> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:17:06 -0500 Scott Fybush writes: > touchscreens simply remote controlled a bank of carts (can't > remember the > brand name, though we cursed it every day for years) on the other > side of > the window in master control. One of the MC op's most important > responsibilities was to make sure the right carts were loaded in the > right slots in the beast each hour. Going back to the early eighties, at WIXY/1600AM Springfield we had a Schafer 903 Automation system, with six banks of slots for carts. Each bank had space for 15 carts. Three banks could be randomly programmed, the other three were sequential. Folks avoided using the sequential like the plague, because they were a pain. The way they worked was different from the method that Matt Stevens described with the IGM INstacart 48 tape head system. These had on tape head per bank, and the tape head travelled up and down the bank on a track. You can imagine the alignment nightmares the system had. WIXY also had three cart carousels (round) units that each held 24 carts. The carousels were known to be very unreliable and the absolute worst when it came to alignment. There were constant problems. But by the early eighties, the system was old, and pretty beat, so it was understandable. Still, the old Schafer 903 was a remarkable great grandfather to the hard drive systems commonly used today. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 08:04:00 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:04:08 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040109130400.18024.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> > By the way, a software punch box that is easy to use > is Stinger, from BSI. > It's best used from a separate system, I use a mini > keyboard with that, and > all of the keys are tied to a slot. > We're using an old school DCS system(Computer Concepts.. Well, now it's Scott Studios) for our on air work, so we have Stinger as a hot button program. Not that bad... The only problems that I have are that the buttons stop cold when tapped, as opposed to fading out like other systems. The other issue I had was that there is no way to make them fade between events. For example, I fire off the WX bed and do the weather, but when I fire the ski and board report bed, the weather bed continues to play underneath the S and B bed. Other than those two problems, a really great piece of software for the price. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 9 08:16:14 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:17:04 2004 Subject: WBOQ's old format appears to have been resurrected--in St Louis Message-ID: <000a01c3d6b2$dcc003c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Radio-info-com today reports that Emmis Communications is relaunching WMLL Jerseyville, IL (St Louis) as Red 104.1. Positioning itself as "Music With Class", the station describes its format as a younger, hipper version of Popular Standards. The format mixes contemporary jazz and standards from artists such as Norah Jones, Diana Krall, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, and Rod Stewart with typical standards fare from Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Ella Fitzgerald, and Tony Bennett. Sounds to me a lot like what WBOQ used to do--although my guess is that WBOQ's favoriite artist was Steve Tyrell, and his name didn't make the short list of artists that Red 104.1's press release is promoting. Now, if a fairly sizeable group owner, such as Emmis, thinks that a format of this sort can work (even in a downscale market like St Louis), is there any likelihood that time buyers will take a chance on it? (There probably are affluent boomers in St Louis, despite the city's reputation for being WAY down at the heels. In fact, the city's over-the-hill image might be responsible for the market's upscale demos being underserved--creating an opening for a station that targets an affluent niche.) I contend that time buyers insist that a format be recognizable before making buys on any station that runs it. If time buyers become comfortable with this format--and the demgraphics prove my assertion that this mix of music and artists is NOT just for people with one foot (or both feet) in the grave--could Boston yet see a revival of such classy programming? I hope so...but it probably wouldn't be wise for me to hold my breath, especially in view of the large number of idiotioc comments my postings on this topic drew from members of this list after WBOQ's flip. Remember, the conventional wisdom doesn't HAVE to be correct. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 9 09:34:43 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:33:25 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <20040109130400.18024.qmail@web20724.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040109093115.00a30ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Cooper Fox wrote: >We're using an old school DCS system(Computer >Concepts.. Well, now it's Scott Studios) for our on >air work, so we have Stinger as a hot button program. The other issue I had >was that there is no way to make them fade between >events. For example, I fire off the WX bed and do the >weather, but when I fire the ski and board report bed, >the weather bed continues to play underneath the S and >B bed. This is more a Computer Concepts issue. The audio cards can play multiple audio files at a time, but there's no way to stop (or fade) one of those individual streams once it's started. Maestro (Windows version of DCS) does the same, the saving grace being that there are multiple sound cards which you can use like individual cart decks. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 9 09:40:37 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:39:19 2004 Subject: WBOQ's old format appears to have been resurrected--in St Louis In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d6b2$dcc003c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040109093605.00acbdd0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >I contend that time buyers insist that a format be recognizable before >making buys on any station that runs it. If time buyers become comfortable >with this format--and the demgraphics prove my assertion that this mix of >music and artists is NOT just for people with one foot (or both feet) in the >grave--could Boston yet see a revival of such classy programming? I hope >so...but it probably wouldn't be wise for me to hold my breath, especially >in view of the large number of idiotioc comments my postings on this topic >drew from members of this list after WBOQ's flip. Good thing we're not bitter, eh Dan? :-/ I think this format will have to stand in line with Real Oldies and other rather tightly niched formats aimed at a 45+ audience. Some may succeed, some won't. My guess is that time buyers are less concerned with "recognizable" formats as they are with a respectable Arbitron showing in a marketable demo. From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 09:42:46 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:42:53 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040109093115.00a30ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20040109144246.23132.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> > This is more a Computer Concepts issue. The audio > cards can play multiple > audio files at a time, but there's no way to stop > (or fade) one of those > individual streams once it's started. Maestro > (Windows version of DCS) > does the same, the saving grace being that there are > multiple sound cards > which you can use like individual cart decks. > Oh... I was mainly reffering to the fact that the cold stops happens with Stinger. But yes, it is also an issue with DCS. The only place that I have seen DCS work extremely well is at a talk station. Don't get me wrong, it is easy for people to learn and easy to setup voicetracking, news, and/or remote drops... it just isn't very smooth. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Fri Jan 9 11:29:38 2004 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:29:47 2004 Subject: WFAN In-Reply-To: <3FFCA877.27231.78FA8C@localhost> References: <3FFCA877.27231.78FA8C@localhost> Message-ID: <3FFED6F2.9050301@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> >On 7 Jan 2004 at 9:30, Matthew Osborne wrote: > > > >>Ever hear of Windows needing to be periodically rebooted because of all >>the memory leaks contained within that will cause your system to >>crash?? >> Yes, I have. Win 95 had a bug which crashed the PC, sometimes irrerievably, every, IIRC, 48 days or so. The bug was reproduceable to within an hour. I ran into the problem when I set up a Win95 machine to act as a dedicated print server for a small workgroup. According to the article I read about the bug, it was not discovered because Win95's instabilities let few computers run long enough to crash from this particular one. Tony From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 11:38:13 2004 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:38:20 2004 Subject: DCS (was: Re WFAN) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040109093115.00a30ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20040109163813.32508.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:34:43 SteveOrdinetz wrote: > This is more a Computer Concepts issue. The audio > cards can play multiple > audio files at a time, but there's no way to stop > (or fade) one of those > individual streams once it's started. Maestro > (Windows version of DCS) > does the same, the saving grace being that there are > multiple sound cards > which you can use like individual cart decks. I could've swore at Entercom Rochester they had a version of DCS there set up for multiple audio channels/cart decks. The board in the WBEE studio had 3 faders devoted to DCS, the first one being auto-segue of all program elements listed in a window, the third used for manual firing of all elements in the selected window, and I forget what the second fader did. I'm surprised that the version Cooper is using only has one audio output line, unless the version we had/used was a newer version Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Jan 9 17:02:54 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Jan 9 17:03:11 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:15:00 >From: "Dan Billings" interest@bostonradio.org> >A group opposed to proposed Medicaid cuts in Maine has proposed that the >budget cap be filled by eliminating the sales tx emption for business >advertising so that Maine's 5% sales tax would be imposed on all business >advertising. The estimate is that this will bring in $31 million per year. > >How much chance is that their proposal will be adopted? No chance. I'm not >sure who came up with this idea but targeting the media for a tax hike is >bad strategy. They will never let it happen. The Blethen newspapers loves >to talk about eliminating sales tax exemptions but they never go to Augusta >to suggest imposing a sales tax on newspapers or advertising. > >-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > I believe a proposal of this type was actually implemented many years ago in Florider, but was eventually repealed because so many media outlets there could cite sizable reductions in revenue. I think it also cut in to the State's convention revenue. Persons opposed to the Maine proposal will probably be able to point to the negative experience in Butterfly-ballot-land and squelch it. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Jan 9 17:18:05 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Jan 9 17:18:26 2004 Subject: How Anal Is This? Message-ID: About a year ago, in a post entitled "New York Times, Jr." (referring to the Boston Globe), Scott Fybush referenced a few call-letter or frequency errors in the Globe's box of sports-on-the-air (I believe they had a Connecticut semi-pro hockey team on WAVB-1300, rather than WAVZ; the team itself switched to WICC to end the confusion). Since SF is now otherwise occupied with his recent brand extension, I've perused that list from time to time, and noticed one recurring error: UMass/Lowell games were listed as being on WJUL-FM 91.5. Now the Globe has a corrections line available thru comments@globe.com, and last week I urged them to straighten this out for the New Year. Lo and behold, today (01/09/04), the listing has been corrected to read that tonight's college hockey game for UMass/Lowell will be on WUML-FM 91.5. Triumphs, no matter how tiny, are still Triumphs. Maybe I should now target the TV Magazine that comes with the Sunday Globe; the ostensible "editor" is Susan Bickelhaupt, but for all I know, she could be retired, thus WBOQ will remain forever "classical" maybe even through more format changes now undreamt of. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 9 21:09:24 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 9 21:08:09 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040109210652.02451260@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > > >I believe a proposal of this type was actually implemented >many years ago in Florider, but was eventually repealed >because so many media outlets there could cite sizable reductions >in revenue. Not sure it was actually implemented in Fla. A friend of mine used to send me airchecks of Tampa radio (mostly Q-105) and I recall on one of them the morning show going into a major rant about it urging listeners to write/call their reps. IIRC the law got repealed before it was to take effect. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 23:26:22 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 9 23:26:50 2004 Subject: John A. Gambling has passed on Message-ID: <20040110042622.12842.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> Heard Sean Hannity mention that NYC broadcasting legend John A. Gambling ("Rambling With Gambling") has passed away. He was 73 years old. According to the WABC radio website, John A. was the son of John B. Gambling (who started in 1925) and the father of current WABC talk host John R. Gambling. WOR, his longtime station, says there will be funeral services in Florida on Monday. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 23:32:56 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 9 23:33:03 2004 Subject: more on John A. Gambling Message-ID: <20040110043256.82938.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> A thread about John A. Gambling, who passed away last night, is on the WABC messageboard (accessible via http://www.wabcradio.com or via Sean Hannity's site). It includes a N.Y. Times obit about Gambling, whose was part of a three-generation radio show that has lasted for over 75 years. From sven@gordsven.com Sat Jan 10 00:59:55 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Jan 10 01:00:00 2004 Subject: more on John A. Gambling In-Reply-To: <20040110043256.82938.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Bob Nelson wrote: > It includes a N.Y. Times obit about Gambling, whose > was part of a three-generation radio show that has > lasted for over 75 years. Make that HAD. The show was unceremoniously yanked off the air by WOR in the winter of either 1999 or 2000. At least I got to hear the tail end of John A.'s regular on-air career and the start of John R.'s when I started listening every day to the show in 1991 (senior year of high school). It had everything I loved in a morning show except there was no music. I still miss you guys. Thanks John A. -- Sven From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 01:29:01 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 10 01:29:08 2004 Subject: more on John A. Gambling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040110062901.90771.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: > Make that HAD. The show was unceremoniously yanked > off the air by WOR in > the winter of either 1999 or 2000. Though John R. moved to WABC radio (show name different though). From the WABC site: "In September of 2000, 77WABC proudly welcomed this true broadcast professional to host a new show "The John Gambling Show” on Saturdays. Now John (R.) Gambling hosts weekday mornings as well, where he is joined by Mayor Michael Bloomberg each Friday" From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 10 04:08:23 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Jan 10 04:08:56 2004 Subject: more on John A. Gambling In-Reply-To: <20040110043256.82938.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040110040640.02450e60@pop.registeredsite.com> At 08:32 PM 1/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: >A thread about John A. Gambling, who passed away last >night, is on the WABC messageboard (accessible via >http://www.wabcradio.com or via Sean Hannity's site). >It includes a N.Y. Times obit about Gambling, whose >was part of a three-generation radio show that >lasted for over 75 years. He also owned a chain of radio stations (under the name of JAG Communications) during the 1980s and early 90s, including the old WLKW, when it was still a beautiful music station in Providence. I did some consulting for him at both WLKW and WROW in Albany NY. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 12:06:43 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:07:10 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question Message-ID: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Sometimes I'll see something in the paper like this: The Red Sox game will be on "WEEI-AM (850)" (sic) I thought that AM stations were technically just the call letters WRKO WFAN WABC (etc) ...and FM stations were designated by the suffix -FM ONLY if there is already an AM with those calls WCBS-FM (since there IS a WCBS) WBCN (since there is, as far as I know, no WBCN on the AM dial) On 100000watts.com I saw the following listing for WRMR in Cleveland: "(changed calls from) WCLVAM to WRMRAM on 1/1/2003)" (sic) Is that correct? Referring to AM stations that way? I would think that if, say, a newspaper were to mention an AM station and point out their frequency as well, they could do it thusly: "WEEI (AM) 850" or "WEEI (AM 850)" instead of "WEEI-AM (850)"... (Of course, I've seen some papers with misprints...like this one:) Red Sox vs. Twins, WEEI-FM (850) (sic) "Darn it! I just can't find 850 on my FM dial!" :) Hint: the paper in question is on Morrissey Blvd., right near Ch. 56 and Greater Media :) From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 10 12:21:15 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:21:22 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 9:06 AM -0800 1/10/04, Bob Nelson wrote: >Sometimes I'll see something in the paper like this: >The Red Sox game will be on "WEEI-AM (850)" (sic) >Is that correct? Referring to AM stations that way? Does it matter? This is not an official FCC log, it's a guide to help people find their favorite team on the radio. It seems to serve that purpose. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 10 12:34:04 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 10 12:32:47 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: References: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110123107.00a3d880@pop3.bit-net.com> Larry Weil wrote: >At 9:06 AM -0800 1/10/04, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>Sometimes I'll see something in the paper like this: >>The Red Sox game will be on "WEEI-AM (850)" (sic) > >>Is that correct? Referring to AM stations that way? > >Does it matter? This is not an official FCC log, it's a guide to help >people find their favorite team on the radio. It seems to serve that purpose. Agreed. Even many of us on this list have trouble keeping track of what station is on what band...especially some of the bottom feeder AMs that change calls every 6 mo. anyway. How do you expect the general public to know. Even the tv stations are often referred to by the calls as opposed to channel #. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 10 13:12:39 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 10 13:12:45 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040110170643.66660.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200401101812.i0AICd99089509@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I thought that AM stations were technically just the > call letters > ...and FM stations were designated by the suffix -FM > ONLY if there is already an AM with those calls No. There are no ``suffixes'' in the rules. Stations may have three-, four-, five-, or six-letter callsigns. No two stations may have the same callsign, but multiple transmitters of the same station, under the same license, may have the same callsign (seen mostly among shortwave stations, but theoretically also DTVs). In stations which have five- or six-letter callsigns, the last two letters may be "FM" for an FM station, "TV" for a TV station, or "LP" for a low-power FM or TV station. AM stations may only have three- or four-letter callsigns. The hyphen is not officially part of the callsign. > WBCN (since there is, as far as I know, no WBCN on the > AM dial) No. It's WBCN because they chose a four-letter callsign. There is nothing in the rules preventing them from being WBCN-FM, if they had so chosen. Either way, Viacom could choose to permit another station to adopt the callsign WBCNTV or WBCNLP if they were suitably motivated. However, even with their permission, another station could not adopt the callsign WBCNFM. But, if the current WBCN were to become WBCN-FM, then an AM or TV station could use WBCN as a four-letter call. The rules in Canada are much simpler: all FM stations are Csomething-FM, and all TV stations are Csomething-TV, implicitly. > I would think that if, say, a newspaper were to > mention an AM station and point out their frequency as > well, they could do it thusly: > "WEEI (AM) 850" or "WEEI (AM 850)" > instead of "WEEI-AM (850)"... The AP style guide, IIRC, gives the latter format. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | As the Constitution endures, persons in every wollman@lcs.mit.edu | generation can invoke its principles in their own Opinions not those of| search for greater freedom. MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - A. Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___ (2003) From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 10 13:57:49 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 10 13:58:08 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:09:24 >From: SteveOrdinetz >To: > Laurence Glavin wrote: >> > >>I believe a proposal of this type was actually implemented >>many years ago in Florider, but was eventually repealed >>because so many media outlets there could cite sizable reductions >>in revenue. > > >Not sure it was actually implemented in Fla. A friend of mine used to send >me airchecks of Tampa radio (mostly Q-105) and I recall on one of them the >morning show going into a major rant about it urging listeners to >write/call their reps. IIRC the law got repealed before it was to take effect. >> That's why I began the post with the words "I believe"; I picked up this information not from primary sources like Florida newspapers, but from magazine articles and papers like the Wall Street Journal. So indeed you could be right. But at least the THREAT of a service tax existed, and the advertising industry there DID put pressure on Tallahassee(sp?). Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 10 14:09:16 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:09:36 2004 Subject: Variation on Call Letter Format Message-ID: This is a variation or emendation of the thread on call-letter formats; I haven't picked up a "low power" FM yet (one is supposed to go on-the-air in Londonderry, NH soon which I may be able to hear at home), but I understand they use the suffix "-LP". This is a bit strange because there are several class D's or former class D's using less than 100 watts that may call themselves "-FM". So you could have a college town where the local school may run at 25 watts and call itself W***-FM, plus a low-power FM with 100 watts that calls intself W***-LP. And what about translators? There's one on Mt. Uncanoonuc outside Manchester, NH at 90.7 with only 12 watts ERP. I've never heard it give a station ID, but would such an outlet usually give an "-FM" suffix if it chose? And how anal is THIS? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 10 14:14:23 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:14:55 2004 Subject: Variation on Call Letter Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401101914.i0AJENxs089756@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > what about translators? There's one on Mt. Uncanoonuc > outside Manchester, NH at 90.7 with only 12 watts ERP. > I've never heard it give a station ID, but would such an outlet > usually give an "-FM" suffix if it chose? No. Translator calls are assigned, not chosen. All translators have callsigns of the form W (or K), channel number, two-letter sequence number; e.g., W267AI. Booster calls are also assigned, in the form primary station's call plus one-digit sequence number. (In applications and CPs, a booster is given a one-letter sequence number instead.) Example: the former WVBF1. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 10 14:29:45 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:29:50 2004 Subject: TV worth Watching? Message-ID: <002701c3d7b0$1ad0e6e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> It looks like PBS is going for the Fox audience. I just saw an ad for a Nature special "Animals Behaving Badly." It didn't look much different than ads for Fox's "When Animals Attack." -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 10 14:29:12 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:33:33 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question Message-ID: >>There are no ``suffixes'' in the rules.<< I suppose that explains this (Ref.: 47 CFR ? 73.3550): "(f) Only four-letter call signs (plus an LP, FM, TV or CA suffix, if used) will be assigned. The four letter call sign for LPFM stations will be followed by the suffix ``-LP.'' However, subject to the other provisions of this section, a call sign of a station may be conformed to a commonly owned station holding a three-letter call assignment (plus FM, TV, CA or LP suffixes, if used)." ...or, how about this... "(m) Where a requested call sign, without the ``-FM,' ``-TV,'' ``-CA'' or ``LP'' suffix, would conform to the call sign of any other non-commonly owned station(s) operating in a different service, an applicant utilizing the on-line reservation and authorization system will be required to certify that consent to use the secondary call sign has been obtained from the holder of the primary call sign." >>Stations may have three-, Four-, five-, or six-letter callsigns.<< See paragraph (f), cited above. Before citing FCC rules, it would help if one reads them first. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 10 14:32:54 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Jan 10 14:33:55 2004 Subject: help for a student friend of mine Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040110142210.02455710@pop.registeredsite.com> A cyber-friend of mine from Paris (France), with whom I am on an educational list-serv about the history of broadcasting, would like your opinions for her term paper-- she is seeking input from American broadcasters about the current state of American radio and what the future holds for our industry. If you'd like to send her your input, include your title (for example, if you're a d.j. or a p.d. or an engineer) and the city you work in; then, let her know what your assessment is of broadcasting these days. She's done a lot of research and she knows all about Clear Channel, for example. What she doesn't know is how actual broadcasters feel about the industry in which they are working-- she is curious about such issues as does the average person still care about radio, despite media consolidation are some stations still unique and local, etc. Your responses are only for her term paper--she isn't a journalist and won't send a copy to your boss!!! Oh and her English is quite good-- she hopes to study for her Master's Degree in the US at some point. Anyway, if you've got a few minutes to give her some input, her name is Diane and she can be reached at Thanks!!! From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Jan 10 15:05:06 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:05:21 2004 Subject: help for a student friend of mine Message-ID: <200401102005.PAA25304@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:32:54, Donna Halper wrote: > Your responses are only for her term paper--she isn't a > journalist and won't send a copy to your boss!!! Speaking of (real, i.e. print :-)) journalists, I didn't know our own Donna was one! She's been getting more bylines in The Patriot Ledger this week than a good deal of the staffers. Donna Halper ... radio historian, educator, Red Sox expert WEEI caller and now print reporter. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 10 15:11:22 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:11:35 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:29:12 >From: "Sid Schweiger" >To: > >Before citing FCC rules, it would help if one reads them first. > >Sid Schweiger >MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC >WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI >20 Guest St / 3d Floor >Boston MA 02135-2040 > > If one followed that dictum to its logical conclusion, then if a guy gets lost, he should ask directions! ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 10 15:35:56 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:36:14 2004 Subject: WCAP-AM Shows Up In Ratings Message-ID: I understand that it's frowned upon here and on LTAR to use specific ratings dats, but I believe it's possible to comment on the APPEARANCE of a station in the latest Arbs. The big guys have digits to the left of the decimal points and often swap positions with each other, but as you scroll down the list of stations at a site like rronline.com, you can observe those outliers on the AM and FM dial that still manage to get a number to the right of decimal point, like WJIB-AM 740. You can also observe those that are perenially absent (WWZN-AM 1510). The latest quarterly Arbs proclaim a new arriver on that august list: WCAP-AM 980, Lowell. They didn't even pop up on the monthly trends, so how can this be? Has the morning drive show become more trendy? Has the afternoon show hosted by the Emperor of Ice Cream http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Wallace_Stevens/wallace_stevens_the_emperor_of_ice_cream.htm benefited by the guest hosts or taped replays of Howie Carr and Jay Severin? Have the Lock Monsters garnered a loyal radio following? Inquiring minds would like to know. (This is the first anniversary of the switch of WCCM-AM to 1490, and its replacement with Potencia 800, WNNW. This doesn't seem to be working out for Costa-Eagle Broadcasting so far.) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 10 15:42:26 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:43:51 2004 Subject: WCAP-AM Shows Up In Ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401102042.i0AKgQ8C090104@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I understand that it's frowned upon here and on LTAR to > use specific ratings dats I don't care if you talk about the ratings, so long as you limit your *quotations* of them to what is allowed by 17 USC 107. Remember, information is not subject to copyright; only expression is. -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 10 15:46:31 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 10 15:46:41 2004 Subject: WCAP-AM Shows Up In Ratings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401102046.i0AKkVkB090134@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > (This is the first anniversary of the switch of WCCM-AM > to 1490, and its replacement with Potencia 800, WNNW. > This doesn't seem to be working out for Costa-Eagle Broadcasting > so far.) I doubt Arbitron's coverage of Spanish-speaking listeners in this market is sufficient to truly reflect the listenership (whether larger or smaller than indicated) of these stations (or any others outside of the top 10). -GAWollman From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 10 17:36:05 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat Jan 10 17:34:56 2004 Subject: TV worth Watching? In-Reply-To: <002701c3d7b0$1ad0e6e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000301c3d7ca$22ef9c80$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Dan B wrote: >>It looks like PBS is going for the Fox audience. I just saw an ad for a Nature special "Animals Behaving Badly." It didn't look much different than ads for Fox's "When Animals Attack."<< Dan, remember: it IS PBS. A Fox promo would have included more gore and gut-wrenching footage. On PBS, animals may behave badly, but at the root of the problem is a human who simply did not get in touch with his/her "animal" side, and therefore any reaction by said animal would simply be construed as "bad behavior." the key to your post is FOX vs PBS. ;-) --Chuck Igo From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 10 18:00:41 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Jan 10 18:00:46 2004 Subject: TV worth Watching? References: <000301c3d7ca$22ef9c80$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <004401c3d7cd$926f96c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: "'Dan Billings'" ; "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: RE: TV worth Watching? > remember: it IS PBS. A Fox promo would have included more gore and > gut-wrenching footage. On PBS, animals may behave badly, but at the > root of the problem is a human who simply did not get in touch with > his/her "animal" side, and therefore any reaction by said animal would > simply be construed as "bad behavior." the key to your post is FOX vs > PBS. ;-) There is plenty of gore on Nature. The difference is the music and the tone of voice of the announcers. I almost suggested in my first post that I thought it was weird to characterize an animals behavior as good or bad. They are just being animals. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 10 18:02:59 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 10 18:03:29 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all Message-ID: <1073775781.2CC885A9@r31.dngr.org> I working camera in the upper deck at Foxboro Temp is now 5 and dropping Glamour of broadcasting From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 10 18:14:39 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat Jan 10 18:13:30 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <1073775781.2CC885A9@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000901c3d7cf$8629e300$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Kevin, I'll be thinking of you while I peel off my shirt in Section 312 to reveal my perfectly, beer-enhanced midsection painted in true Patriots colors; the eye of the "flying Elvis" being right where my belly-button is! Okay, I'm lying. I'm actually of to the Civic Center here in Portland for a 7pm Pirates game. I'll think warm thoughts of you when I get back home for the 2nd half. Chuck From rich@RichChadwick.com Sat Jan 10 18:46:14 2004 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Sat Jan 10 18:46:21 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: <20040110042622.12842.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200401102346.i0ANkFDa090828@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Did anyone else catch the teaser VO going into the 11pm newscast on WHDH last night? "Mother and daughter found dead in "Woe-Burn" I know the gentleman they use is a national ISDN guy, but he is usually very good about things like that. Must have been very last minute for someone at the local level not to have caught it either... "WOE-Burn" - reminds me of the "starving artist sofa-sized paintings $19" sale spots at the local hotels RWC From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 10 19:35:11 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat Jan 10 19:59:21 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn Message-ID: >>"Mother and daughter found dead in "Woe-Burn"<< Reminds me of the female newscaster WTAG hired about 15 years ago. She didn't last long there, and I'm sure one of the reasons was her steadfast refusal to learn the local pronunciations. So, listeners were regularly treated to such nuggets as "Lie-ces-ter," "Leo-mins-ter" and "Gar-den-er." At least she got Worcester right, but that was about it. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 10 20:51:13 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:45:44 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <200401102300.i0AN0sxO003649@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110203157.03b6c9e8@gwind.pair.com> At 06:00 PM 1/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >On 100000watts.com I saw the following listing for >WRMR in Cleveland: > >"(changed calls from) WCLVAM to WRMRAM on 1/1/2003)" >(sic) > >Is that correct? Referring to AM stations that way? Nope...it's just a quirk of the way the M Street database is processed for 100000watts.com display purposes, it only shows up in the "history" listings, and it's not something I can change, unfortunately. The current listings in the database are (or at least should be) correct as far as suffixes or the lack thereof goes. (For instance, my local ABC TV affiliate is WOKR, just plain "WOKR," and so it appears on the 100kW site.) For the purposes of an industry-insider listing like 100kW, we make the assumption that anyone paying for the site knows that "88.3" is an FM, "1560" is an AM and "34" is a TV. Broadcasting Magazine, back in the days when it was competent and useful (my "December 22, 2003" issue arrived here on January 7, 2004 and was an historical artifact by then; I think I won't renew this year), developed the standard of adding a suffix in parentheses to designate the band when it wasn't part of the station's official call, so they'd call my ABC affiliate "WOKR(TV)." Several other trade publications followed Broadcasting's lead, and I don't think most of us have any particular objection to "WEEI(AM)" or "WBOS(FM)" as a standard for writing about radio. Radio World, for which I am a contributing writer, uses the parentheses even when the call has a legitimate suffix, so they'd refer to "WBUR(AM) West Yarmouth and WBUR(FM) Boston." I've argued the point with my editor there, but he's the boss and I like to get paid, so... Most general-audience print publications these days either use the suffix universally or not at all, and I've resigned myself to seeing "WOKR-TV (Channel 13)" in my local daily paper. (Mrs. F., who is a copy editor at said paper, would dispute that I've resigned myself, since I do grouse and grumble about it still from time to time when she's about. I've at least resigned myself to the fact that she can't fix the problem, if nothing else. I've even contemplated sending Clear Channel Television $55 and a completed call change form so they can change WOKR to WOKRTV - or, if you prefer, WOKR-TV - and make an honest paper out of the Democrat and Chronicle...) At NERW, the standard I follow is to use the actual call followed by the frequency or channel number and, for radio, the COL in parentheses, thus: WBOS (92.9 Brookline) WBUR-FM (90.9 Boston) WOKR (Channel 13) For the portion of 100000watts.com over which I still have control (that being the news headlines; I don't do the database any longer), the standard is to put the actual call in bold, followed by the frequency/channel number, the COL and - if appropriate - the market it serves. So: WBOS 92.9 Brookline/Boston MA WOKR 13 Rochester NY WHEC-TV 10 Rochester NY Over at M Street Journal and Inside Radio, Tom Taylor's standard format uses the calls followed by the COL and then the frequency, thus: WBOS, Brookline MA (92.9) WBUR-FM, Boston MA (90.9) WBUR, West Yarmouth (1240) There are a few gray areas these days where suffixes are concerned - the "-DT" formation that most DTV stations use to ID themselves is not, as best I can tell, recognized by the FCC's CDBS database, which lists DTV operations under the parent analog station's callsign and facility ID number, albeit with a different "service" designation. So while I'd refer to "WHDH-DT (Channel 42)" or "WGBX-DT (Channel 43)," a search of the FCC database would turn those licenses up under the callsigns "WHDHTV" and "WGBXTV," respectively. The FCC rules are thus far silent on proper legal identification on-air for DTV facilities, and the truth of the matter is, with the coming of DTV, all the needed data to uniquely identify a station is present in the PSIP code anyway, so the need for an aural or visual legal ID doesn't really exist. (As for Sid's point that the FCC rules are somewhat contradictory about whether "WHDHTV" is a four-letter call with a suffix or a six-letter call, he and I - and Garrett - all know that any correspondence with the FCC about that station would refer to "Facility ID No. 72145" anyway, so the point is largely academic, which probably makes it ideal for this list!) s From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 10 21:43:56 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 10 21:44:04 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <000901c3d7cf$8629e300$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <002801c3d7ec$c2761c80$9f00a8c0@boneill> Sir Charles: > I'll be thinking of you while I peel off my shirt in Section 312 to > reveal my perfectly, beer-enhanced midsection painted in true Patriots > colors; the eye of the "flying Elvis" being right where my > belly-button > is! Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 10 21:44:58 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 10 21:45:04 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110203157.03b6c9e8@gwind.pair.com> References: <200401102300.i0AN0sxO003649@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20040110203157.03b6c9e8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040110214147.025786a0@mail.mac.com> At 08:51 PM 1/10/2004, Scott Fybush wrote: >There are a few gray areas these days where suffixes are concerned - the >"-DT" formation that most DTV stations use to ID themselves is not, as >best I can tell, recognized by the FCC's CDBS database, which lists DTV >operations under the parent analog station's callsign and facility ID >number, albeit with a different "service" designation. So while I'd refer >to "WHDH-DT (Channel 42)" or "WGBX-DT (Channel 43)," a search of the FCC >database would turn those licenses up under the callsigns "WHDHTV" and >"WGBXTV," respectively. > >The FCC rules are thus far silent on proper legal identification on-air >for DTV facilities, and the truth of the matter is, with the coming of >DTV, all the needed data to uniquely identify a station is present in the >PSIP code anyway, so the need for an aural or visual legal ID doesn't >really exist. Here at Channel 7 (42), our station ID and our logs show WHDH-TV and WHDH-DT. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 10 21:51:35 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 10 21:51:39 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040110214147.025786a0@mail.mac.com> References: <200401102300.i0AN0sxO003649@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20040110203157.03b6c9e8@gwind.pair.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20040110214147.025786a0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <200401110251.i0B2pZkW091567@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Here at Channel 7 (42), our station ID and our logs show WHDH-TV and WHDH-DT. The commission generally assigns callsigns to *licenses* and not to transmitters. Channel 42 is part of the same license as channel 7, and so it shares the same callsign. (This is what was supposed to happen with the expanded AM band, but then the Commission made the mistake of allowing the two ``stations'' to be sold separately. There is, at least at the moment, much less incentive to do that with DTV, and there is a much stronger mandate from Congress to make it unlikely that it will happen in this case.) -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 10 22:36:11 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 10 22:34:55 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <1073775781.2CC885A9@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110223522.00a65af0@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I working camera in the upper deck at Foxboro > >Temp is now 5 and dropping > >Glamour of broadcasting Thrill of victory and the agony of da feet? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 10 23:29:27 2004 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Sat Jan 10 23:29:57 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110223522.00a65af0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <005501c3d7fb$810a39c0$b59ae541@p133> Steve, groooaaaaan.......& I thought I was a bad (good) punster Kevin: I am impressed with whatever PC & internet cnx you have at the game, that works at 5 deg (& probably wind chill) think WARM thoughts, that's the key to survival. and laugh at all the..... (I best not say "idiots") ...fans who aren't being paid to be there.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >I working camera in the upper deck at Foxboro > > > >Temp is now 5 and dropping > > > >Glamour of broadcasting > > > Thrill of victory and the agony of da feet? > > From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Jan 11 00:08:45 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Jan 11 00:08:59 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <005501c3d7fb$810a39c0$b59ae541@p133> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110223522.00a65af0@pop3.bit-net.com> <005501c3d7fb$810a39c0$b59ae541@p133> Message-ID: <1073797728.23722ADC@r5.dngr.org> I m alive just have no feeling in fingers On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:36pm, madprof wrote: > Steve, groooaaaaan.......& I thought I was a bad (good) punster > > Kevin: I am impressed with whatever PC & internet cnx you have at the > game, > that works at 5 deg (& probably wind chill) > > think WARM thoughts, that's the key to survival. and laugh at all > the..... > (I best not say "idiots") ...fans who aren't being paid to be there.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SteveOrdinetz" > To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >I working camera in the upper deck at Foxboro >> > >> >Temp is now 5 and dropping >> > >> >Glamour of broadcasting >> >> >> Thrill of victory and the agony of da feet? >> >> From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 00:39:53 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Jan 11 00:40:02 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040110203157.03b6c9e8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040111053953.30457.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > just a quirk of the way the M Street > database is processed for > 100000watts.com display purposes, it only shows up > in the "history" > listings, and it's not something I can change, > unfortunately. OK, understood! :) Radio World, for which I am a > contributing writer, > uses the parentheses even when the call has a > legitimate suffix, so they'd > refer to "WBUR(AM) West Yarmouth and WBUR(FM) > Boston." I've argued the > point with my editor there, but he's the boss and I > like to get paid, so... Good to know; in terms of correctly putting down call letter suffixes for things like radio message boards, or correctly labelling airchecks, etc. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 00:44:10 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Jan 11 00:44:18 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: <19d.1f42add3.2d319115@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040111054410.32610.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- RogerKola@aol.com wrote: > IMHO...(from the graveyarder sales end of it)...you > would be surprised how > many people in the urban areas don't know what or > where AM is....the younger > generation, (since the "demise" of music on the > band....let's see, that's good > for demos of < 35), seems to have found little need > to explore that part of the > spectrum... Except maybe for Radio Disney > I personally appreciate when "anyone" points out > that there is another band > on your radio... As people age and get into things like talk radio, they may soon discover AM (not that talk isn't on FM, too...) From beckwith@ime.net Sun Jan 11 03:57:06 2004 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Sun Jan 11 03:56:28 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn References: Message-ID: <005301c3d820$ec66a990$3120a78e@PHOENIX> I once mispronounced "Narraguagus" when I was ND at WLKE in Bar Harbor; quite embarrasing considering I'm a lifelong Mainer. Needless to say, it was the end of my full-time radio career. Take care, Chris From pete@partnercomm.com Sun Jan 11 08:50:52 2004 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun Jan 11 08:50:58 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <1073797728.23722ADC@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: I expect that Kevin is using his numb fingers to send us e-mail from his telephone, judging (at least) from his terse messaging (and no punctuation). _Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! -Peter Murray (N3IXY) Pittsburgh, PA On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I m alive just have no feeling in fingers > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:36pm, madprof wrote: > > Kevin: I am impressed with whatever PC & internet cnx you have at the > > game, > > that works at 5 deg (& probably wind chill) > > > > think WARM thoughts, that's the key to survival. and laugh at all > > the..... > > (I best not say "idiots") ...fans who aren't being paid to be there.. From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Jan 11 10:17:35 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Jan 11 10:17:47 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073834259.30EFBC6E@r31.dngr.org> Actually it was a PDA type device It was a nightmare telecast 2 cameras blew because of the cold. On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 8:54am, Peter Murray wrote: > I expect that Kevin is using his numb fingers to send us e-mail from > his > telephone, judging (at least) from his terse messaging (and no > punctuation). > > _Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! > > -Peter Murray (N3IXY) > Pittsburgh, PA > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I m alive just have no feeling in fingers >> >> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:36pm, madprof wrote: >> > Kevin: I am impressed with whatever PC & internet cnx you have at >> the >> > game, >> > that works at 5 deg (& probably wind chill) >> > >> > think WARM thoughts, that's the key to survival. and laugh at all >> > the..... >> > (I best not say "idiots") ...fans who aren't being paid to be >> there.. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Jan 11 12:36:51 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:38:32 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <1073834259.30EFBC6E@r31.dngr.org> References: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040111123455.01aca870@pop.gis.net> CBS 4 aka WBZ-TV when to black several times. The first time it was probably 15 seconds long. Sound was fine. At 07:17 AM 1/11/04 -0800, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Actually it was a PDA type device > >It was a nightmare telecast 2 cameras blew because of the cold. > > >On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 8:54am, Peter Murray wrote: >>I expect that Kevin is using his numb fingers to send us e-mail from his >>telephone, judging (at least) from his terse messaging (and no >>punctuation). >> >>_Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! >> >>-Peter Murray (N3IXY) >>Pittsburgh, PA >> >>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >>> I m alive just have no feeling in fingers >>> >>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:36pm, madprof wrote: >>> > Kevin: I am impressed with whatever PC & internet cnx you have at the >>> > game, >>> > that works at 5 deg (& probably wind chill) >>> > >>> > think WARM thoughts, that's the key to survival. and laugh at all >>> > the..... >>> > (I best not say "idiots") ...fans who aren't being paid to be there.. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 11 12:53:33 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:53:58 2004 Subject: WAZN 1470 Watertown on the air today from Lexington Message-ID: <000a01c3d86b$da94f000$19eefea9@dstrassberg> November was the last time that WAZN Watertown (ex-WSRO Marlborough) was on the air from the WTTT 1150 site in Lexington. Today, the station is on the air again from the Lexington site and is IDing as WAZN Watertown. The programming is // with co-owned WLYN 1360 Lynn. WAZN's audio sounds rather muddy and more highly compressed and less pleasing than WLYN's. In November, the stations' GM, Jeff Kline, reported on the Radio-Info.com Boston board that WAZN was testing with 800W ND and was operating from Lexington only during daylight hours. I don't know whether the station is now using its directional patterns, whether it is using the power specified in its CP (1.4 kW-D/3.4 kW-N), or whether it will remain on the air after sunset (4:30 this month). If I were to read that WAZN is now operating with its day pattern, I could believe it. Where I live, the day pattern would deliver a signal weaker than 800W ND. The signal I am receiving today seems weaker than the one I received in November. I live about 1 mile northeast of the WAZN/WTTT site and about 2.1 miles due north of the WWZN 1510 site. I had to turn my Super Radio III to null WWZN so that the stronger 1510 signal didn't cause noticeable interference to the relatively weak 1470 signal--that's with a good radio at a distance of only about a mile. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 11 13:20:09 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Jan 11 13:20:38 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn Message-ID: >DATE: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:57:06 >From: "Chris Beckwith" >To: >I once mispronounced "Narraguagus" when I was ND at WLKE in Bar Harbor; quite >embarrasing considering I'm a lifelong Mainer. Needless to say, it was the end >of my full-time radio career. > >Take care, >Chris > > > One of my pet peeves occurs during the fall-foliage season. Some announcer, perhaps even a native Noo Englanduh will say "traffic is backed up at the Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". Of course everyone uses Lakes Webster (Mass.) rather than Lake Chargoggagogmanchaugagogchabunagungamogg (which it turns out is a myth anyway). Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 11 13:22:28 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 11 13:22:42 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <4.3.1.2.20040111123455.01aca870@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <001101c3d86f$dff7bbf0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; "Peter Murray" ; Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > CBS 4 aka WBZ-TV when to black several times. > The first time it was probably 15 seconds long. > Sound was fine. I noticed the same thing a couple of times on the CBS broadcast on WGME. From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 11 13:25:01 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Jan 11 13:25:27 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:08:45 >From: Kevin Vahey >To: madprof , >bri@bostonradio.org >I m alive just have no feeling in fingers > Without fingers, will you be able to pursue a career in digital TV? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Jan 11 14:01:49 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun Jan 11 14:00:49 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3d875$6021b1a0$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Peter from Pittsburgh where the Pirates play Baseball wrote: >>(snip)_Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! << Sorry, Peter... Up here, our AHL affiliate is the Pirates. Used to be the Mariners, but that was over a decade and another franchise ago. And, fwiw: Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Penguins won last night. --Chuck Igo From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 15:10:39 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sun Jan 11 15:17:07 2004 Subject: Dale's WODS "audition".... Message-ID: <010301c3d87e$fd521600$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> I seem to remember that Dale's 'audition' was online somewhere. Does anyone know where it can be listened to online? (Didn't some aircheck site have it up once?) Thanks! JP From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Jan 11 16:09:07 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Jan 11 16:07:49 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111160724.00a36b00@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >One of my pet peeves occurs during the fall-foliage season. >Some announcer, perhaps even a native Noo Englanduh >will say "traffic is backed up at the Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... >it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". I've lived in N.H. for 32 years, and I've never heard the second pronunciation. If no one, even the natives uses it, is it correct? From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 18:11:56 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:12:07 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! In-Reply-To: <004001c3d64e$01106270$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <400191EC.527.1427210@localhost> On 8 Jan 2004 at 20:15, Dan Billings wrote: > How much chance is that their proposal will be adopted? No chance. I'm > not sure who came up with this idea but targeting the media for a tax hike > is bad strategy. They will never let it happen. The Blethen newspapers > loves to talk about eliminating sales tax exemptions but they never go to > Augusta to suggest imposing a sales tax on newspapers or advertising. Sometimes when a proposal of this sort is made, the revenue proposal isn't all that serious. The main thing these people want is to avoid the Medicaid cuts, and they don't really care all that much what else is done to find the funds. The political strategy is to propose the tax increase in order to show fiscally responsibility, then drum up all the political support they can for their main agenda item. The hope is that they can get enough support to pass their main agenda item, forcing politicians to find some way to pay for it, whether it's the way they proposed or not. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 18:11:56 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:12:12 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400191EC.8523.1427265@localhost> On 10 Jan 2004 at 14:29, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Before citing FCC rules, it would help if one reads them first. Actually, it would be helpful if the people who write amendments to the rules would read the existing rules first and make them fit. I suspect that's really what happened. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 11 18:11:56 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:12:23 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400191EC.15154.14271BF@localhost> On 11 Jan 2004 at 13:20, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Of course everyone uses Lakes Webster (Mass.) rather > than Lake Chargoggagogmanchaugagogchabunagungamogg > (which it turns out is a myth anyway). It is? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 11 18:18:34 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:18:40 2004 Subject: Maine media under attack! References: <400191EC.527.1427210@localhost> Message-ID: <002c01c3d899$3c5e8850$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Maine media under attack! > The political strategy is to propose the tax increase in order to show fiscally responsibility, > then drum up all the political support they can for their main agenda item. The hope is that > they can get enough support to pass their main agenda item, forcing politicians to find some > way to pay for it, whether it's the way they proposed or not. I think that is what is going on here. Interesting to note that the press conference got significant coverage in both print and TV, but the only story that I read or heard that mentioned the tax proposal was on Maine Public Radio. I guess the folks that were targeted by the proposal decided to just leave that part out. I wonder why? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From engineer@the-spa.com Sun Jan 11 18:27:32 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:27:46 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20040111123455.01aca870@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Ron Bello >CBS 4 aka WBZ-TV when to black several times. >The first time it was probably 15 seconds long. >Sound was fine. That was on the CBS end (or possibly the truck). Watching the incoming CBS feed for WPRI, I saw the same thing when I got called about it. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 11 18:27:14 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:30:05 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005901c3d89b$018f39c0$0e87fea9@q0002> I have NEVER heard anyone say Kan-ga-MAW-gus! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:20 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org; Chris Beckwith Subject: Re: Woe-Burn >DATE: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:57:06 >From: "Chris Beckwith" >To: >I once mispronounced "Narraguagus" when I was ND at WLKE in Bar Harbor; quite >embarrasing considering I'm a lifelong Mainer. Needless to say, it was the end >of my full-time radio career. > >Take care, >Chris > > > One of my pet peeves occurs during the fall-foliage season. Some announcer, perhaps even a native Noo Englanduh will say "traffic is backed up at the Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". Of course everyone uses Lakes Webster (Mass.) rather than Lake Chargoggagogmanchaugagogchabunagungamogg (which it turns out is a myth anyway). Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 11 18:30:36 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 11 18:30:18 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <000001c3d875$6021b1a0$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <005a01c3d89b$04257500$0e87fea9@q0002> Hey, speaking of blasphemy, let's talk about the Blue and Green Pittsburgh Penguins STEALING the Boston Bruins' colors in 1980 becuase the Steelers and Pirates won championships in '79 using Black n Gold.... -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Igo Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:02 PM To: 'Peter Murray' Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all Peter from Pittsburgh where the Pirates play Baseball wrote: >>(snip)_Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! << Sorry, Peter... Up here, our AHL affiliate is the Pirates. Used to be the Mariners, but that was over a decade and another franchise ago. And, fwiw: Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Penguins won last night. --Chuck Igo From pete@partnercomm.com Sun Jan 11 22:16:56 2004 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:16:58 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <000001c3d875$6021b1a0$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Chuck Igo wrote: > Peter from Pittsburgh where the Pirates play Baseball wrote: > >>(snip)_Portland_ Pirates? That sounds like blasphemy, Igo! > << > > Sorry, Peter... Up here, our AHL affiliate is the Pirates. Used to be > the Mariners, but that was over a decade and another franchise ago. > And, fwiw: Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Penguins won last night. Well, that's better than the Penguins of Pittsburgh can pull off. 10-25-5 (not counting 3 overtime losses). Bottom of the league. What can I say? GO BRUINS! ObRadio: Is there any indication of when the next FM filing window for new/major change applications will come around? How much notice does the FCC typically give? I need to know by when I should have my paperwork together... -Peter Murray (N3IXY) Pittsburgh, PA From mlaurence@mindspring.com Sun Jan 11 22:19:37 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:19:44 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: <005901c3d89b$018f39c0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <26D692C8-44AE-11D8-8834-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Sunday, January 11, 2004, at 06:27 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I have NEVER heard anyone say Kan-ga-MAW-gus! Me neither. And here's the story of the lake with the big name: http://www.oldewebster.com/history/lake_chargogg.htm It's not a myth, but the Indians didn't exactly come up with the whole thing, either. Mark Laurence Glavin wrote: > Of course everyone uses Lakes Webster (Mass.) rather > than Lake Chargoggagogmanchaugagogchabunagungamogg > (which it turns out is a myth anyway). From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jan 11 22:52:21 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun Jan 11 22:52:28 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c3d8bf$7bf62d30$c3ec33d1@alvin> Ok. So we can get live video from Mars but not Foxboro.... Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Fitzpatrick, Mike > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:28 PM > To: 'Ron Bello'; 'Kevin Vahey'; 'Peter Murray'; bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Bello > > >CBS 4 aka WBZ-TV when to black several times. > >The first time it was probably 15 seconds long. > >Sound was fine. > > That was on the CBS end (or possibly the truck). Watching the > incoming CBS feed for WPRI, I saw the same thing when I got > called about it. > > --Mike Fitzpatrick. > From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 11 23:05:58 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:00:29 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: <200401120352.i0C3qZxO009283@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111230300.03b806f0@gwind.pair.com> At 10:52 PM 1/11/2004 -0500, Methuen from Lawrence wrote: >Of course everyone uses Lakes Webster (Mass.) rather >than Lake Chargoggagogmanchaugagogchabunagungamogg >(which it turns out is a myth anyway). Not quite everyone - I have fond memories of the late Darrell Gould at WBZ pronouncing all those syllables with aplomb (or maybe it was a peach :-) Darrell loved quirky New Englandisms like that. I miss the guy dearly, and nights on 1030 now sound really strange without him AND without Bruds. s From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 11 23:07:03 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:01:33 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <200401120352.i0C3qZxO009283@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111230628.03b94d70@gwind.pair.com> At 10:52 PM 1/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok. So we can get live video from Mars but not Foxboro.... Wasn't it warmer on the surface of Mars Saturday than it was at Foxboro? The weather was certainly clearer, if nothing else! s From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 11 23:08:20 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:08:29 2004 Subject: Ellis O'Brien dead Message-ID: <004a01c3d8c1$b91143b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Ellis O'Brien, the first weatherman at WCSH-TV in Portland, died of natural causes last Thursday. From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Jan 11 23:21:49 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Jan 11 23:22:09 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111230628.03b94d70@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040111230628.03b94d70@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1073881312.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> What happened Sat night was a domino effect. Cameras 6 and 8 blew from the cold and the master switcher decided to reboot itself. Believe me I heard some salty language on my headset. On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:06pm, Scott Fybush wrote: > At 10:52 PM 1/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >> Ok. So we can get live video from Mars but not Foxboro.... > > Wasn't it warmer on the surface of Mars Saturday than it was at > Foxboro? The weather was certainly clearer, if nothing else! > > s From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 06:14:57 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Jan 12 06:15:12 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040112111457.77231.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> > One of my pet peeves occurs during the fall-foliage > season. > Some announcer, perhaps even a native Noo Englanduh > will say "traffic is backed up at the > Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... > it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". I learned that one that hard way when I moved to this area. People are extremely touchy about it, too. I have, on a regular basis, seen service people correct tourists who miss-pronounce the name of the Kanc. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Steve West _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 12 08:34:40 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:34:58 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn References: <20040112111457.77231.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3d910$dc6ad980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> So which is it? Laurence says MAW. Approximately half a dozen people responded (in effect), "Huh? You must be nuts. It's MAN." The message to which I am responding suggests that MAW is, in fact, correct. BUT, maybe the writer didn't express his thoughts unambiguously. Will somebody please put this issue to rest once and for all? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cooper Fox To: ; ; Chris Beckwith Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:14 AM Subject: Re: Woe-Burn > > One of my pet peeves occurs during the fall-foliage > > season. > > Some announcer, perhaps even a native Noo Englanduh > > will say "traffic is backed up at the > > Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... > > it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". > > I learned that one that hard way when I moved to this > area. People are extremely touchy about it, too. I > have, on a regular basis, seen service people correct > tourists who miss-pronounce the name of the Kanc. > > ===== > Magic 104 > North Conway, NH > V: (603)356-8870 > F: (603)356-8875 > Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com > Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From news@southstation.org Mon Jan 12 08:48:55 2004 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Mon Jan 12 08:49:04 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d910$dc6ad980$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: > From: Dan Strassberg > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:35 AM > To: Cooper Fox; Laurence Glavin; bri@bostonradio.org; Chris Beckwith > Subject: Re: Woe-Burn > > > So which is it? Laurence says MAW. Approximately half a dozen people > responded (in effect), "Huh? You must be nuts. It's MAN." The message to > which I am responding suggests that MAW is, in fact, correct. > BUT, maybe the > writer didn't express his thoughts unambiguously. Will somebody please put > this issue to rest once and for all? > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 This site http://www.scenicdrivesonline.com/routes/NorthEast/NH/NH_1.shtml pronounces it Can-cuh-mog-us. The spelling, Kancamagus, has no "N" in it for the "MAN" sound, so maybe this is right. -Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.southstation.org From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 12 12:37:09 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:31:40 2004 Subject: As goes Times Jr., so goes Times Sr. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040112123439.03d3d8e8@gwind.pair.com> 'Twas dismaying, indeed, to read my Boston Globe Sr. (aka The New York Times) yesterday, and right there in George Vecsey's sports column was an error worthy of Bickelhauptdom: "Mark Degon, the news director at WRNI-FM in Providence, R.I., who was attending as a fan, said: 'I think twice about beverages. That line at the stadium can be awfully long.'" Yep...WRNI-FM. Right there on 1290. Sigh.... s From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 12 14:03:14 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:03:24 2004 Subject: As goes Times Jr., so goes Times Sr. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040112123439.03d3d8e8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040112190314.11517.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > Yep...WRNI-FM. Right there on 1290. Sigh.... LOL!... hey, I understand they're still playing classical music on WBOQ, too. Says so, right here in the Globe's TV Week! :) From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Jan 12 16:34:47 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:35:17 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:48:55 >From: "Larry Lovering" >To: "Dan Strassberg" ,"Cooper >Fox" ,"Laurence Glavin" ,,"Chris >Beckwith" > >> From: Dan Strassberg >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:35 AM >> To: Cooper Fox; Laurence Glavin; bri@bostonradio.org; Chris Beckwith >> Subject: Re: Woe-Burn >> My source was the Appalachian Mountain Club Guide for New Hampshire; their preference seems to have been "MAW", but maybe "MAHGG" or MOGG" would be ok too. The definitely loathed Kang-ca-MANG-us. (The K offered a couple of easy hikes: Mt Willard and Mt. Potash highly recommended next summer if summer ever comes.) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From wftn@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 18:28:21 2004 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:28:33 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn Message-ID: <011220042328.6392.4f7b@comcast.net> Yes, Laurence is right. I am a native New Hampshireite and Kan-ca-maw-gus is right. I even saw Fritz Weatherbee doing a segment on this when he was at Channel 11's Crossorads. Gary Ford WFTN-FM (and WPNH which covers Lincoln near the famous Kan-ca-maw-gus Highway) > Laurence Glavin wrote: > >. > >Some announcer,will say "traffic is backed up at the Kang-ka-MANG-us highway"... > >it supposed to be "Kan-ca-MAW-gus". > > I've lived in N.H. for 32 years, and I've never heard the second > pronunciation. If no one, even the natives uses it, is it correct? > From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 12 20:39:30 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:39:31 2004 Subject: AM processing Message-ID: <001f01c3d976$18203c80$9f00a8c0@boneill> Does anyone know of an Optimod AM in truly _decent_ condition? Please reply off-list you may. Latest flavor not necessary. I'd even consider another brand. Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vermont From paulranderson@charter.net Mon Jan 12 21:09:14 2004 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:10:29 2004 Subject: Woe-Burn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C62D9E1-456D-11D8-BEBC-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Jan 12, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Larry Lovering wrote: > The spelling, Kancamagus, has no "N" in it for the "MAN" sound, so > maybe > this is right. I could have sworn there was a second 'n' in Kancamagus. Gosh, next thing you'll be telling me is there's an arrow in the FedEx logo. Maybe we should also remind Boston TV stations there's no 'g' in Hopkinton. Fully half the time I hear the town mentioned on the air, it's mispronounced 'Hopkington'. Paul From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 12 21:30:28 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:30:27 2004 Subject: TOOOksbury (was: Woe-Burn) In-Reply-To: <7C62D9E1-456D-11D8-BEBC-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <002001c3d97d$361cc3a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Maybe we should also remind Boston TV stations there's no 'g' in > Hopkinton. Fully half the time I hear the town mentioned on the air, > it's mispronounced 'Hopkington'. > > Paul Growing up in the "Town-a-Dracut" and then working Lowell radio it amazed me how many ways people could mess up local towns. Tewksbury is "tooks" as in, "Yo! Vinnie! He tooks that book and then he's talkin' like I'm blind or something. Ya know what I'm sayin'? Then you ad a very quick "bury" almost b'ry, with emphasis on the first syllable. Not TOOOOksbURY. Then, Chelmsford. The locals will say it's "CHEMPS-fid." I have to agree, but, once started cracking a mic, I lost my nerve. Even too over the top, ya know what I'm saying? The good balance of that name is to drop the "L" and call it Chemsferd. That will bring customers to the dry cleaner, not laughing hysterically at the big-boy-isdn-guy without a clue. As for the HAM towns, I used to do an occasional poll of the locals on "Pelham" NH, in WCAP's local contour. Usually a split between "Pel' im" and Pel-ham (evenly voiced). Windham, the same way. (I live in Shoreham, Vermont, where there is full agreement that it's as the Brits would have it, "Shore' em". Useless tid-bit, the Shoreham Hotel in D.C. was actually named after this hamlet of 1,100 by the founder of that landmark having either hailed from here or developing a fondness for same. Bill (Ham, cheese, slaw, extra Russian) O'Neill From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 12 23:45:36 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Jan 12 23:46:22 2004 Subject: As goes Times Jr., so goes Times Sr. In-Reply-To: <20040112190314.11517.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040112123439.03d3d8e8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <400331A0.26376.6B6349@localhost> On 12 Jan 2004 at 11:03, Bob Nelson wrote: > LOL!... hey, I understand they're still playing > classical music on WBOQ, too. Says so, right here > in the Globe's TV Week! :) Today's Op-Ed Page has a column by the Ombudsman about accuracy and publishing corrections. This might be an opportune time to send an e-mail to ombud@globe.com about these errors. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Tue Jan 13 09:42:48 2004 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue Jan 13 09:43:03 2004 Subject: WHHE--Geezer TV Message-ID: <400403E8.FA8FCDB@Programmer.Net> > the residents at Heritage Hall East ? an Agawam, MA, > long-term care facility ? recently came up with a > brilliant one. > Their idea? Start up a television station at the facility. http://www.healthcarereview.com/current_issue/articles.php?show=474 Further in, it goes on, > ?We want the community to know that our residents are still > people. Life does not stop at the doors of a long-term > facility.? I wonder if it is just closed-circut, local CATV or an LPTV (I suspect the middle)? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 13 11:15:07 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:15:18 2004 Subject: WHHE--Geezer TV In-Reply-To: <400403E8.FA8FCDB@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <002f01c3d9f0$6e727880$59464742@Sean> Kambridge writes: << I wonder if it is just closed-circut, local CATV or an LPTV (I suspect the middle)? >> I know of at least one (relatively new) retirement community here in PA that has its own cable system that serves all three "campuses" with a full-fledged TV studio and production capabilities. I would suspect such is going to be the norm, not the exception, in the future. From engineer@the-spa.com Tue Jan 13 12:46:42 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Tue Jan 13 12:46:34 2004 Subject: WHHE--Geezer TV In-Reply-To: <400403E8.FA8FCDB@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild > wonder if it is just closed-circut, local CATV or an LPTV (I > suspect the middle)? It is internal to the Buildings of Heritage Hall, it is not on our city's cable system. (Comcast) --Mike Fitzpatrick Agawam Resident (Although no plans to be in Heritage Hall anytime soon). From gspatola@charter.net Tue Jan 13 23:54:38 2004 From: gspatola@charter.net (Glenn and Judy Spatola) Date: Tue Jan 13 23:56:11 2004 Subject: Louise Schiavone References: <200401131700.i0DH02xN016528@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00cc01c3da5a$8416bba0$40bbbd42@cl3236594a> Louise Schiavone, who was interviewed about Paul O'Neil on CNN this morning, is from the Lawrence area. She has been a Washington correspondent for many years. I have heard her on AP Network news many times. She started out in the early 70s in the news department at WCCM. I don't know of any other WCCM alum who made it to national television. (You can't count Curt Gowdy, since he was the owner.) Glenn Spatola (also a 1970s WCCM alum) From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 01:08:22 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed Jan 14 01:15:08 2004 Subject: Louise Schiavone References: <200401131700.i0DH02xN016528@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <00cc01c3da5a$8416bba0$40bbbd42@cl3236594a> Message-ID: <003f01c3da64$d4bf56c0$1404fea9@compaq5726> Subject: Louise Schiavone > She started out in the early 70s in the news department at WCCM. I don't > know of any other WCCM alum who made it to national television. No, but don't forget her husband Dick (Jason) Uliano who is also an AP reporter/anchor. JP From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 04:18:12 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Jan 14 04:18:40 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken Message-ID: <20040114091812.31772.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> ...with the first announced affiliate being 1,000 watt WNTD in Chicago http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1057347/posts?page=1,50 From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 14 04:25:02 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed Jan 14 04:25:38 2004 Subject: help for a student friend of mine, part 2 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040114042442.0254e3a8@pop.registeredsite.com> Several of you wrote to Diane but when she tried to write back to you, her ISP kept bouncing the messages... she was curious as to whether any of you have had contact with black radio stations-- whether working in a chain that owns some or just as a listener. If you have, how has media consolidation affected black radio? (This also includes jazz, urban, CHR/rhythmic, and formats where a lot of black music is played.) Also, for those who have been in the industry for a while, other than the fact that Clear Channel owns just about everything, Diane wondered what other major changes you have noticed in radio over the past several decades. I gave her my own list, but she wanted to speak with others employed in US broadcasting. To expedite, could you send your replies to ME, and I will forward them to her, since my ISP seems to get along with hers for some odd reason... Thanx much! From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 14 08:14:41 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:16:05 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken References: <20040114091812.31772.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c3daa0$87d4d240$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WNTD 950--from a technical standpoint, a most unusual station. But who owns it and what has the station been programming most recently? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:18 AM Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken > ...with the first announced affiliate being 1,000 watt > WNTD in Chicago > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1057347/posts?page=1,50 From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Jan 14 08:25:30 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:25:39 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken References: <20040114091812.31772.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c3daa1$e23b1ae0$6400a8c0@tony> This whole thing just seems so pathetic and this coming from someone who is left of center politically and believes we should be able to compete on the air. But, has anyone heard RFK Jr. in interviews? He is annoying, nasally, and frankly, unlistenable! Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:18 AM Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken > ...with the first announced affiliate being 1,000 watt > WNTD in Chicago > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1057347/posts?page=1,50 From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 14 08:48:43 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:54:46 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken Message-ID: >>This whole thing just seems so pathetic and this coming from someone who is left of center politically and believes we should be able to compete on the air. But, has anyone heard RFK Jr. in interviews? He is annoying, nasally, and frankly, unlistenable!<< It IS pathetic, because these people think it's all about politics, and it's not. The reason Rush, Savage, Hannity and the rest have survived is because they are, first and last, ENTERTAINERS who understand the medium of radio. They attract listeners from across the political spectrum because they are entertaining. Most liberal talk-show hosts have come across as either strident and lecturing, or just plain boring. I think it remains to be seen if people like Al Franken can rise to the challenge and start being entertaining, but if the thrust of the "liberal network" is merely to challenge the hold of the right wing on talk radio by presenting the "other side," the venture is doomed to failure. It's become almost a clich? in the radio business, but if you're talking a shot at the #1 station, you have to be at least as good as they are, regardless of any politics involved. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 14 08:56:54 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 14 08:57:01 2004 Subject: Imus question Message-ID: <000a01c3daa6$458e0ef0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Anyone know the circumstances behind the departure of their "scum reporter" (and WFAN local traffic) Janice Dean? I thought that she brought a lot to the program, radio & TV-wise. Bill O'Neill From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 14 09:44:10 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:42:51 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114093655.009ef470@pop3.bit-net.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >It IS pathetic, because these people think it's all about politics, and >it's not. The reason Rush, Savage, Hannity and the rest have survived is >because they are, first and last, ENTERTAINERS who understand the medium >of radio. They attract listeners from across the political spectrum >because they are entertaining. Most liberal talk-show hosts have come >across as either strident and lecturing, or just plain boring. That and the fact that the conservative hosts have a knack for finding "hot button" issues, and at least on the surface are all for mom, apple pie and America. So many liberal hosts seem to miss this and tend to come across as "blame America first"ers. While they may have valid points at times, very few people want to hear Saddam's side of the story. From sven@gordsven.com Wed Jan 14 10:42:42 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:42:47 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <20040114091812.31772.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Bob Nelson wrote: > ...with the first announced affiliate being 1,000 watt > WNTD in Chicago AM 95 WNTD is/was a Radio Unica o&o (Radio Unica is a Spanish news/talk network). Radio Unica is selling off everything -- they're broke, I believe. Arthur Liu of Multicultural Broadcasting is buying the stable of Unica's O&Os, which gives him his first outlet in Chicago for leased-access radio. WNTD does 1,000 watts non-dir daytime and 5,000 wats directional at night. Main lobe is directed north towards Chicago. See here: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WNTD&service=AM -- Sven From mlaurence@mindspring.com Wed Jan 14 11:08:13 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:08:18 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114093655.009ef470@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 09:44 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > So many liberal hosts seem to miss this and tend to come across as > "blame America first"ers. While they may have valid points at times, > very few people want to hear Saddam's side of the story. There are moral issues on both sides of the spectrum, and the Globe had a good column yesterday about how Howard Dean is making forceful political morality statements work for him. Nobody but the most closed-minded right-winger would truly believe the liberal point of view is "Saddam's side of the story." But I agree with Tony that a talk show based only on liberal politics is doomed to failure. Rush Limbaugh is a talented RADIO broadcaster, and that is more the source of his success than his politics. How many times have radio stations - including here in Boston - put well-known celebrities on the air who know nothing about broadcasting, and watched, astonished, as their shows flopped? Mark From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 14 11:40:19 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:40:38 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken References: Message-ID: <002001c3dabd$2046f0a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I have a theory--actually, it's a conspiracy theory--about this seemingly bumbling and doomed-before-it-gets-off-the-ground liberal radio network. I guess we can call it the D-bigot-G theory (from the first letters of "doomed before it gets off the ground"). The backers of the network COULD LMA the stations they line up in major markets. But no; they insist that they want to buy. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking. I daresay that there simply isn't time to close on the sale of five major-market stations (even secondary AM signals like WNTD) before Election Day. It would require a minor miracle for the applications for transfer to reach the FCC before Labor Day. The D-bigot-G theory says that the backers don't want to get the network on the air; what they want is to be able to say that the GW Bush FCC tied up their applications in bureaucratic paperwork to prevent their views from being heard. In other words, the backers are looking for a campaign issue, not a network. They win by losing. Actually, they win in a couple of ways because if the transfers don't go through, they won't take a financial bath. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Laurence To: SteveOrdinetz Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken > > On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 09:44 AM, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > > So many liberal hosts seem to miss this and tend to come across as > > "blame America first"ers. While they may have valid points at times, > > very few people want to hear Saddam's side of the story. > > There are moral issues on both sides of the spectrum, and the Globe had > a good column yesterday about how Howard Dean is making forceful > political morality statements work for him. Nobody but the most > closed-minded right-winger would truly believe the liberal point of > view is "Saddam's side of the story." > > But I agree with Tony that a talk show based only on liberal politics > is doomed to failure. Rush Limbaugh is a talented RADIO broadcaster, > and that is more the source of his success than his politics. How many > times have radio stations - including here in Boston - put well-known > celebrities on the air who know nothing about broadcasting, and > watched, astonished, as their shows flopped? > > Mark > From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 14 12:23:25 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 14 12:23:31 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <002001c3dabd$2046f0a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <002601c3dac3$1f00f460$9f00a8c0@boneill> Dan S: what they want is to be able to say that the GW Bush FCC > tied up their > applications in bureaucratic paperwork to prevent their views > from being > heard. Bingo. Bill O'Neill From petef@sprynet.com Wed Jan 14 15:34:40 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:35:02 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114093655.009ef470@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <030201c3dadd$d7324790$0200a8c0@wb2qll> > Steve Ordinetz wrote: > as "blame America first"ers. While they may have valid > points at times, > very few people want to hear Saddam's side of the story. Hah. If released he'd have absolutely no problem getting a talk show as a well known name who wouldn't need promotion. Since he figured out how to get massive support for his cause (himself) in Iraq for 30 years, he'd probably be able to figure out how to get ongoing support for a radio show. He could be part-time released to do the radio show, and it would be his community service as he educates the public and deals with his agression issues. They're probably casting now for his sidekick to offer the "young female point of view". It should be pointed out that Saddam is about as far away from having any liberal tendencies as possible, except that he has espoused a larger and more controlling government and is a member of an opressed minority. Perhaps that is all it takes. As to the more immediate issue of the liberal radio network, I'm glad for it because it may succeed, there's no way of knowing and the system needs people who will take a risk. I'm sure that's not the main factor in its establishment. It may well be a pre-election stunt but I think the main impetus for it is that it can get the most critical thing all businesses need: capital. I'm sure there are plenty of people who, offered the opportunity to financially support the concept of a liberal network, will say, wow this is a great idea and they are not overly concerned if it makes money or not. This applies to both backers and advertisers. The concept of a liberal talk network is easily sold and packaged, and for most people with this bent you don't need to say any more, just that "it's an idea who's time has come"...of course not all liberals are alike but most people don't go to those details. They give money to the Democrats and other parties and while they get benefits from that support, it's not in the form of direct payment back (we hope). Further, by being a supporter of such an enterprise, an investor or advertiser can now buy off attacks from various parties who feel a soap company or stock brokerage is being unfair by only advertising on Rush, RFD-TV, or whatever. It certainly would have a wider impact than the contributions extracted by the Reverend Mr. Jackson's organizations. -Pete Enfield, NH "I thought I could get away with it" -Pete Rose From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 14 15:47:07 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:47:18 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <030201c3dadd$d7324790$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Message-ID: <001101c3dadf$93b746d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Pete writes: I'm > sure there > are plenty of people who, offered the opportunity to > financially support > the concept of a liberal network, will say, wow this is a > great idea and > they are not overly concerned if it makes money or not. This > applies to > both backers and advertisers. Can I have the cash, instead? I'll go liberal. Please? Anyone? Feed the homeless? Babies and orphans? Nuns on buses? How about land conservation? Spotted ducks? Farm Aid XVIII? I can juggle 'em all with the best of them. Alan Colmes look out! One sentence only and you're outta here! Seriously, the whole concept is flawed from its very notion of "liberal." Even those with staunch liberal leanings would prefer to not be noted as such. On the other end of the spectrum, media buyers don't buy Limbaugh because he is conservative. They buy him because he can make them money. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Jan 14 18:49:35 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Jan 14 18:49:43 2004 Subject: Imus question References: <000a01c3daa6$458e0ef0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <000701c3daf9$107cebc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: Imus question > Anyone know the circumstances behind the departure of their "scum reporter" (and > WFAN local traffic) Janice Dean? > > I thought that she brought a lot to the program, radio & TV-wise. She apparently took a job with Fox. They said she quit and she was on that day and gone the next. My impression was that the I-man did not share your opinion of her contribution to the show. There has been no mention of replacing her. I would think they would want a women in the mix. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Jan 14 18:51:51 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Jan 14 18:51:55 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken References: <20040114091812.31772.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c3daa1$e23b1ae0$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <002101c3daf9$61cad320$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony schinella" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken > This whole thing just seems so pathetic and this > coming from someone who is left of center > politically > and believes we should be able to compete on the > air. But, has anyone heard RFK Jr. in interviews? > He is annoying, nasally, and frankly, > unlistenable! Dittos Tony! I think RFK Jr. missed out on the Kennedy charisma gene. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 14 22:34:06 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:34:10 2004 Subject: Imus question In-Reply-To: <000701c3daf9$107cebc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <002001c3db18$6e4acdc0$7200a8c0@livingroom> > >Janice Dean? Dan B: My impression was that the I-man did > not share your > opinion of her contribution to the show. So, his previous Scum reporter is on MSNBC, the next with Fox. Who wants a job at CNN? Bill O'Neill From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 15 01:17:39 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 15 01:17:55 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114093655.009ef470@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <4005EA33.10759.7117A7@localhost> On 14 Jan 2004 at 11:08, Mark Laurence wrote: > There are moral issues on both sides of the spectrum, and the Globe had a > good column yesterday about how Howard Dean is making forceful political > morality statements work for him. Nobody but the most closed-minded > right-winger would truly believe the liberal point of view is "Saddam's > side of the story." I certainly don't believe it, but there certainly are "liberal" spokespersons who can make it sound that way. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 08:49:28 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:49:38 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <4005EA33.10759.7117A7@localhost> Message-ID: <002901c3db6e$65f3fc40$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I certainly don't believe it, but there certainly are > "liberal" spokespersons who can make it > sound that way. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. That speaks to polarization that is emblematic of times such as these. I'm not sure where talk radio is truly capturing this phemonenon. As a whole, media has become too much a part of "the story." I long for a commentator or host that would go to their grave under torture and never reveal their personal leanings. Curiosity should be a sufficient motive for as well as attribute to do the job. Bill O'Neill From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 15 08:56:52 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 15 08:56:56 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: <000001c3db6f$6de0d5d0$59464742@Sean> I haven't really decided, yet, whether this is being made into too big of a deal, or too little. http://www.boston.com/news/weather/articles/2004/01/15/local_anchor_feel s_our_pain_from_afar/ From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Jan 15 09:38:11 2004 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:38:15 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:56:52 EST." <000001c3db6f$6de0d5d0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <200401151438.i0FEcBsb019756@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> A summary for those who haven't read the article: Gary is hosting the WBZ morning news this week from his home... in Florida. Neither he nor 'BZ is making any mention of that fact OTA. >I haven't really decided, yet, whether this is being made into too big >of a deal, or too little. About the only drawback I can see is that, if 'BZ's backup tower crashes down into the building, he won't know about it right away. ;-) Short of that, does it really matter where his physical location is? With technology being what it is, he could even have the view from outside the windows in Allston piped to his living room, if he wants it. No, he won't feel the actual cold this week, but it's not like he's never experienced a New England winter before... The only "issue" that someone might take is the notion that listeners are somehow being "deceived" by no mention being made of Gary's current whereabouts. Perhaps I'd feel differently if they were just bringing on some remote announcer who's never even been to Boston, but that's not what's happening here. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros@mit.edu From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 15 09:51:34 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:50:18 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <002901c3db6e$65f3fc40$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <4005EA33.10759.7117A7@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115094107.00a1f4a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: >That speaks to polarization that is emblematic of times such as >these. I'm not >sure where talk radio is truly capturing this phemonenon. As a whole, >media has >become too much a part of "the story." I long for a commentator or host that >would go to their grave under torture and never reveal their personal >leanings. >Curiosity should be a sufficient motive for as well as attribute to do the >job. Agreed, but this trend towards reporters making their personal leanings known on issues goes back to Vietnam & Watergate. What started as an attempt to appear "socially conscious" has morphed into a definite slant. Trouble is, there's a whole generation of reporters who've never experienced any other way of reporting. Talk radio is a bit different, where it's presented as opinion in the first place, not news. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 10:18:59 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:13:04 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: <200401151018.AA31195452@mail.ttlc.net> Shawn Mamros scrivened: >Short of that, does it really matter where his physical location is? >The only "issue" that someone might take is the notion that listeners >are somehow being "deceived" by no mention being made of Gary's current >whereabouts. Perhaps I'd feel differently if they were just bringing >on some remote announcer who's never even been to Boston, but that's >not what's happening here. Deception is the key word here. As the article states 'Tom Rosenstiel, director of Columbia University's Project for Excellence in Journalism, said it's a matter of credibility. "You don't want to be in the business of hiding [things]," he said.' LaPierre & Casey must have felt that it might have some negative impact somewhere, somehow. If not, then why has it not been mentioned? Contrast with David Brudnoy who has openly (on several occasons) mentioned that he was broadcasting from his apartment, not 1170 Soldiers Field Road. Do they HAVE to tell us? No. SHOULD they tell us? Yes. I think that some listeners will feel (right or not) that "somehow" Gary isn't "close enough" to Boston to be reporting the news as local. This is perception - and as we have discussed many times here on BRI - "Perception IS Reality" to the audience. While they haven't made on-air statements designed to deliberately mislead the listeners e.g. Gary says "Boy the parking lot sure is slippery this morning", they have carefully made no mention whatsoever. IIRC, this would be classified as a "Sin Of Omission" Bottom Line: Is it a Big Deal? That it slipped out has probably made it so. And now, every day, people (probably myself included) will wonder to themselves "Is he in Boston or Memorex?" That will, in the long run, detract from a fine newscaster. From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 10:24:00 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:24:31 2004 Subject: "Liberal network" signs Al Franken In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115094107.00a1f4a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <003c01c3db7b$9aac2860$9f00a8c0@boneill> Steve writes: > Talk radio is a bit different, where it's presented as > opinion in the first > place, not news. Nice fall-back position for talk jocks, "the opinion cushion," as I call it. Wanting it both ways, talkers will often chum the topic-waters to motivate phone activity. Problem is, if you're in the host's camp, then the show starts to tank with the clicking sound of dials all across the fruited ADI. That's why Howie Carr's show is so dreadful. It's just one stream of (non)-consciousness call after another. The only opposition he tends to get are his answering machine "chump line" which can, actually, be funny radio. OTOH, that's why David (get well soon) Brudnoy is so good. He's ready to provoke but engage a bit more cerebrally. I don't buy the concern that cerebral discussions are turn-offs. There are two considerations: such discourse, while it may somewhat limit the descriptors of who will pick up the phone (among that 1%) there is ratings evidence that a broad base of listeners LISTENS to it. I think it's the "Jeopardy factor." Most viewers, myself included, don't "get" most of the Jeopardy questions. In fact, part of the draw is checking out the "wicked smaat" contestants and the average viewer just enjoying the ride. We can all learn from the knowledge of others. Limbaugh: Pomp and his self-described conservatism aside, he is knowledgable. He has access to information that many listeners find interesting or important. So, he's providing a service. I cannot believe that his popularity or success is due to a massive right lean in America. Liberals count in his numbers as to the conservatives. Content counts. My personal philosophy or feeling about callers to my programs was that I was less interested in what it was they thought about on a particular issue than that they had an opinion. THAT was the story. Witness Marge Phelps. Sitting alone in the darkened kitchen in her old bathrobe, pink fluffy slippers. Sitting at the counter, sipping her first coffee of the day, tapping her index finger on her first cigarette of the day. She reaches over to the Realistic table radio and clicks it onto my station. Outside, it's still pre-sunrise. It's cold and still. Her next action is she actually "listens" to the talk and begins to engage her thoughts to what we're babbling about. Then, it gets scary. She actually glances at the telephone, debating whether or not to subject her voice to potential dozens, hundreds, more. Finally, she dials that call number and makes her way to that one-on-one conversation the likes of which don't happen everyday. The "thing" is what motivated Marge to call. All of those switches had to flip in the precise order necessary for that relationship to happen. This is what radio has forgotten. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 10:26:32 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:26:40 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <200401151438.i0FEcBsb019756@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c3db7b$f4eb0850$9f00a8c0@boneill> Shawn: > The only "issue" that someone might take is the notion that listeners > are somehow being "deceived" by no mention being made of > Gary's current > whereabouts. Datelines matter in news. I wonder if they are pushing the envelope a bit there. If I'm reporting to AP or something, and I'm physically in Brandon, Vermont, my sign-off won't be Burlington. If LaPierre is reporting from sunny Florida, we need to know it, and then move on. Not a problem. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:30:28 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:31:13 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <200401151018.AA31195452@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200401151018.AA31195452@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1074180651.33641A3B@w5.dngr.org> You bet it is wrong I used to eat breakfast in the same place in Cambridge every morning and you develop a bond with the voice on the air who has gone through the same crap getting to work as me. But then again it was a long time before Accuweather ever admutted the banter between Jess Cain and Elliot Abrams was staged with Abrams in Happy Valley, PA Right now I wish I was in Florida On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:17am, rogerkirk wrote: > Shawn Mamros scrivened: > >> Short of that, does it really matter where his physical location is? > From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 10:59:23 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:59:32 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida Message-ID: <003f01c3db80$8c0cece0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Just read the text of the Globe article on LaPierre broadcasting from his north Florida home. Peter Casey's remark, "I'm not wasting my airtime to tell people where Gary is" ... The article notes, "But when contacted by phone in Florida immediately after his shift, he said, 'Oh, my secret is out.'" Apparantly, LaPierre, a 39 year veteran of the station, has been spending a couple of weeks each fall and then a half of each winter month working from his Florida home by the magic of technology. This brings in the "so, how long have we not known?" perspective. I'm glad that Gary gets to enjoy life at this stage, but, he could have just told us where he is. We'd still have listened. Note the unfortunate timing of the release of the story during a cold weather blanket.... THe contrast is too much to avoid, especially with his referencing the extreme cold with an air of frustration that we actually feel to the bone. Bill O'Neill Warm & Sunny Shoreham, Vermont (-11F) From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Jan 15 11:17:55 2004 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:30:01 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:18:59 EST." <200401151018.AA31195452@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <200401151617.i0FGHtk4000499@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> Roger says: >Bottom Line: Is it a Big Deal? That it slipped out has probably made it so. >And now, every day, people (probably myself included) will wonder to >themselves "Is he in Boston or Memorex?" That will, in the long run, >detract from a fine newscaster. Memorex? Doesn't apply here. He's still on live. He's even in the same timezone. :-) Bill writes: >Datelines matter in news. I wonder if they are pushing the envelope a bit >there. If I'm reporting to AP or something, and I'm physically in Brandon, >Vermont, my sign-off won't be Burlington. If LaPierre is reporting from sunny >Florida, we need to know it, and then move on. Not a problem. Datelines matter for reporters. But Gary's not a reporter; he's an anchor. Is he not allowed to say anything about something that happened or is happening in Iraq because he's not there? Hmm... Perhaps, in the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I'm not currently physically at MIT as I type this. ;-) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros mit.edu From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 15 11:54:02 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:54:34 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <200401151438.i0FEcBsb019756@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040115114927.02422040@pop.registeredsite.com> Shawn wrote-- >Short of that, does it really matter where his physical location is? >With technology being what it is, he could even have the view from outside >the windows in Allston piped to his living room, if he wants it. No, he >won't feel the actual cold this week, but it's not like he's never >experienced a New England winter before... And Dave Maynard has been doing the same thing for years. Again, it's quite misleading if a newsperson says they are in one place when in reality they aren't in that place at all-- that's an ethical violation, such as when years back a reporter (I believe it was ABC's Cokie Roberts) claimed she was standing in front of the White House but in fact, she was back at the studio. But I haven't heard Gary say he is sitting in his home in Massachusetts. Gary's been a WBZ employee since 1964 and if technology permits him to have a nice home in a warmer climate and still do his job, what's the harm? He is a commentator, and he can comment from anywhere. I am glad that Boston.com told us where to send our Xmas cards to him, but I still fail to see the problem. From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 15 12:08:04 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:08:11 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040115114927.02422040@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000501c3db8a$26d7c2f0$59464742@Sean> Donna writes: << And Dave Maynard has been doing the same thing for years. Again, it's quite misleading if a newsperson says they are in one place when in reality they aren't in that place at all-- that's an ethical violation, such as when years back a reporter (I believe it was ABC's Cokie Roberts) claimed she was standing in front of the White House but in fact, she was back at the studio. But I haven't heard Gary say he is sitting in his home in Massachusetts. Gary's been a WBZ employee since 1964 and if technology permits him to have a nice home in a warmer climate and still do his job, what's the harm? He is a commentator, and he can comment from anywhere. I am glad that Boston.com told us where to send our Xmas cards to him, but I still fail to see the problem. >> The incident you're referring to had Cokie "standing" in front of the Capital with "snow" whirrling around her when she was really in ABC's Washington studios. I have only listened off-and-on to Gary in recent winters but I've never heard anything that sounded misleading as to his broadcast locale. I wonder what the reaction would be if, say, he was broadcasting from a home studio in Massachusetts instead? From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 15 12:51:36 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 15 12:46:05 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <200401151559.i0FFxfxO025558@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115120924.03d6a858@gwind.pair.com> At 10:59 AM 1/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >The article notes, "But when contacted by phone in Florida immediately >after his >shift, he said, 'Oh, my secret is out.'" I KNOW I'm not the only one on the list to whom this hasn't been a secret at all for many years. The practice didn't start for daily news until sometime after I left in early 1997, but I'm pretty sure he was already contributing LaPierre on the Loose segments from down there while I was at BZ. (Or am I thinking of Dave Maynard, who sent many of his feature segments up from Florida on a regular basis?) But it was in full swing when I visited the station a few years ago, and I don't think anyone there - Gary least of all - would have denied it if asked. The bigger surprise, to me, is that it took the Globe so many years to even think to ask. In any case, the practice doesn't really bother me that much. Rick Dees does many of his morning shows for KIIS in Los Angeles from his farm in Kentucky; Paul Harvey spends several months a year in Arizona and does his show from there; Don Imus is often at his ranch in New Mexico for his show - and now the whole world knows how infrequently Rush Limbaugh sets foot in his Manhattan studio. I'm pretty sure Dees and Harvey never mention where they are. Imus does. Limbaugh kept it as a barely-concealed secret for many years but now talks openly about doing the show from Florida. I think the practice is highly defensible for these veteran broadcasters. Dees has been in LA now for, what, 25 years? If I'm his PD, I'd rather have him happy where he wants to be (in this case, with his horses) than sitting in LA stewing about how he'd rather be in Kentucky and thinking about retiring. And as long as Dees has been in LA, let's not forget that Gary has been covering Boston news at WBZ for FORTY years. If that doesn't set a single-station longevity record in Boston, it's got to come awfully close. (Carl de Suze started at BZ in 1942 and was forcibly retired around 1981.) If he doesn't know how to pronounce Leominster now, I don't think he ever will :-) Gary was talking about retiring to Florida when I started at WBZ, and that was (gulp) well over a decade ago already. As I understand it, getting to do the show from Florida (and, for that matter, getting out of doing the 5 AM half-hour) was part of the deal to keep him in the WBZ stable for a few more years. No offense to Jay McQuaide, who's a great guy and a solid anchor, but mornings on WBZ won't be the same when Gary retires, and I can't fault Peter Casey and his bosses for doing everything they can to hold on to their star player. I draw a distinction between veteran broadcasters like those doing some of their broadcasts from out of town and the more insidious practice of doing news and talk from out of town with anchors and hosts who've barely set foot in the city they're trying to cover. Here in Rochester, the ONLY daily local talk slot on WHAM is held down most days by an Albany TV anchor named Joe Pagliarulo, who does it from the studios of WGY. He's visited Rochester a few times, he reads the daily paper on line every day, and someone once told him how to pronounce "Irondequoit" - and that apparently (at least in the eyes of WHAM) qualifies him to talk about local issues. The show sounds just as bad as you'd imagine. Am I being defensive about the guy who taught me most of what I know about broadcast news writing? You bet I am. Gary is a professional's professional, and if his physical location were ever relevant to the content of the newscast, I have no doubt that he would have disclosed it (in fact, I recall several times when I was working there when there was news in his part of Florida and we called and interrupted his vacation to get him on the air about it :-). But the fact that it stayed "secret" for so many years is pretty good evidence that the quality of his newscasts was just as good from Florida as from Soldiers Field Road...and so I don't think this amounts to much more than petty jealousy from a lot of other people who'd love to be able to do THEIR jobs from Florida right about now. s From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 13:11:12 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:11:20 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <000001c3db6f$6de0d5d0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <20040115181112.32051.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sean Smyth wrote: http://www.boston.com/news/weather/articles/2004/01/15/local_anchor_feel > s_our_pain_from_afar/ Hey, cut the guy some slack-- it must be brutal down there. Probably 47 degrees with the wind chill factor :) From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 15 13:17:41 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:18:43 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040115114927.02422040@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3db93$f65d7020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well... When he does LaPierre on the Loose, he's a commentator, but when he does the news, he's a newscaster. I think the rules for the two categories are (or should be) different. I realize that radio has a three-generations-long--or longer--tradition of having the same people report the news and express opinions on the news. Many of the old-time commentators, however, were commentators foremost and reporters or newscasters second. Mr LaPierre was purely a newscaster for decades before he started voicing his (frequently ill-informed) opinions over the air. For whatever reason--probably because I just about never agree with him--LaPierre's opinionizing has made me uneasy even when, say, Paul Harvey's has not. (And I don't agree with Harvey any more than I do with LaPierre.) I think part of the reason is that Paul Harvey's style is so original and unusual that you'd have to be totally detached from reality to think of him as a strictly a newscaster even when he is merely reading alleged facts from wire-service copy.. I know that people who have worked with LaPierre think the world of him. Great! Wonderful! But don't let your personal liking for the man get in the way of your being objective about whether it was or wasn't appropriate that he and Infinity Broadcasting attempted to conceal the fact that he was reporting on severe New England winter weather from the warmth of Florida. I haven't made up my mind on whether the attempt at concealment was acceptable, but I'm uncomfortable with it. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? > Shawn wrote-- > > >Short of that, does it really matter where his physical location is? > >With technology being what it is, he could even have the view from outside > >the windows in Allston piped to his living room, if he wants it. No, he > >won't feel the actual cold this week, but it's not like he's never > >experienced a New England winter before... > > And Dave Maynard has been doing the same thing for years. Again, it's > quite misleading if a newsperson says they are in one place when in reality > they aren't in that place at all-- that's an ethical violation, such as > when years back a reporter (I believe it was ABC's Cokie Roberts) claimed > she was standing in front of the White House but in fact, she was back at > the studio. But I haven't heard Gary say he is sitting in his home in > Massachusetts. Gary's been a WBZ employee since 1964 and if technology > permits him to have a nice home in a warmer climate and still do his job, > what's the harm? He is a commentator, and he can comment from > anywhere. I am glad that Boston.com told us where to send our Xmas cards > to him, but I still fail to see the problem. > > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 14:45:15 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 14:39:22 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: <200401151445.AA90702110@mail.ttlc.net> "Bill O'Neill" capsulized: >Datelines matter in news. I wonder if they are pushing the envelope >a bit there. If I'm reporting to AP or something, and I'm physically >in Brandon, Vermont, my sign-off won't be Burlington. If LaPierre is >reporting from sunny Florida, we need to know it, and then move on. >Not a problem. Damn, you're so succinct. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 14:47:03 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 14:41:08 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: <200401151447.AA140509254@mail.ttlc.net> Shawn Mamros said: >Memorex? Doesn't apply here. He's still on live. He's even in the >same timezone. :-) My error - wrong analogy. Rewind. Erase Head On. Fast Forward. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 16:30:44 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 16:24:49 2004 Subject: Call letter designation question Message-ID: <200401151630.AA139591940@mail.ttlc.net> "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: >Actually, it would be helpful if the people who write amendments to >the rules would read the existing rules first and make them fit. The same might apply to lawmakers. Proposed laws should be reviewed for constitutionality, applicability and enforceability before passage - not after. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 16:38:00 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 16:32:07 2004 Subject: TOOOksbury (was: Woe-Burn) Message-ID: <200401151638.AA159252770@mail.ttlc.net> "Bill O'Neill" opined: >As for the HAM towns, I used to do an occasional poll of the locals >on "Pelham" NH, in WCAP's local contour. Usually a split >between "Pel' im" and Pel-ham (evenly voiced). Windham, the same way. Pat Whitley pronunces it Win'm. From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 15 16:43:21 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 15 16:43:44 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:17:55 >From: Shawn Mamros >To: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net, billo@shoreham.net Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Roger says: >>Bottom Line: Is it a Big Deal? That it slipped out has probably made it so. >>And now, every day, people (probably myself included) will wonder to >>themselves "Is he in Boston or M >Memorex? Doesn't apply here. He's still on live. He's even in the >same timezone. :-) > In this particular case, he probably IS in the same time zone; but remember Florider has TWO time zones, a fact that was overlooked during the 2000 election coverage. The networks gave the State to Gore shortly after 8:00 pm EST, forgetting that residents of the panhandle were still voting.. But G.P. better not comment that there's "a beautiful sunrise today"...during some space shots from the Cape of Canaveral, the shuttle rocket was shown sitting in pre-dawn darkness while the sun here had risen many minutes earlier. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From petef@sprynet.com Thu Jan 15 17:00:42 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:01:03 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <000c01c3db93$f65d7020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <005501c3dbb3$06db7360$0200a8c0@wb2qll> > Dan Strassberg wrote: > warmth of Florida. I haven't made up my mind on whether the > attempt at concealment was acceptable, but I'm uncomfortable with it. I think this gets close to the nub of it. I don't see it as an ethics issue so much as an issue of trust and allegiance. Due to LaPierre's long history with his listeners, there was an expectation of what he was doing and where he was. If that is broken, it just gives the listener the image that the station and LaPierre and radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And that will be reciprocated by the listener. It's like a Nestle bar that people buy for years. If the price goes up, people grumble but know it's inevitable. If the price stays the same but the bar gets smaller while the package stays the same except for the weight marking, when people find out they feel taken advantage of and annoyed...even though obviously the maker adhered to the law and didn't misrepresent the weight. It's bad for a business to piss off it's customers. The problem is the bad news gets out eventually, and produces images like this thread. If it was mentioned originally, everyone realizes that the guy deserves to live and work where he wants and they'd drop the matter. As to out-of-market "pretend local" music and talk shows, since they don't really build up a lengthy expectation of anything in anybody, what I've seen when listeners are told the jocks are from 700 miles away is, "ok, so what?". Most of their "local" content learned via the net is so mindless it doesn't really resonate to the point anyone cares. -Pete Enfield, NH (who hopes never to work, live, or otherwise have anything to do with Florida, the surrounding states, or anywhere else with a similar climate) From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:10:47 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:10:46 2004 Subject: Nassau Buys 3 NH Stations Message-ID: <007701c3dbb4$6e206980$64f88018@markscomputer> All Access is reporting that Nassau Broadcasting is buying WHOB (106.3 Nashua), WNNH (99.1 Henniker) and WLKZ (104.9 Wolfeboro) from Tele-Media, no purchase price available. Mark Watson From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 15 17:13:58 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:14:21 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:59:23 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Boston Radio Interest \(E-mail\)" interest@bostonradio.org> >Just read the text of the Globe article on LaPierre broadcasting from his north >Florida home. Peter Casey's remark, "I'm not wasting my airtime to tell people >where Gary is" ... >Bill O'Neill >Warm & Sunny Shoreham, Vermont (-11F) > If it will make you feel better, -11 Fahrenheit is 448.67 degrees Rankine (a scale that adds the number '1' for every degree Fahrenheit above absolute zero). I usually don't indulge in prognostications, but this I guarantee: in July, during the inevitable heat wave, EVERY TV station with a local newscast will run video from the past two cold snaps (so far). Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA: +2 and dropping ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 15 17:20:35 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:20:57 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: -- >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:00:42 >From: "Pete Ferrand" >To: >I don't see it as an ethics issue so much as an issue of trust and >allegiance. Due to LaPierre's long history with his listeners, there was >an expectation of what he was doing and where he was. If that is broken, >it just gives the listener the image that the station and LaPierre and >radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And that will be reciprocated >by the listener. > >It's like a Nestle bar that people buy for years. If the price goes up, >people grumble but know it's inevitable. If the price stays the same but >the bar gets smaller while the package stays the same except for the >weight marking, when people find out they feel taken advantage of and >annoyed...even though obviously the maker adhered to the law and didn't >misrepresent the weight. When I order spiritous liquors, I never order a brand (as in Old Grand Dad Manhattan straight up), just bourbon Manhattan straight up. I never imagine that I'll get the branded products in the typical bar. And have you ever noticed that the bottle of Heinz ketchup that comes with you fries is always full? Somebody has a side job of putting Hunt's or generic ketchup in the bottle I believe. It's bad for a business to piss off it's >customers. Does that apply to "Depends"? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:28:14 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Jan 15 17:28:00 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115120924.03d6a858@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <008301c3dbb6$dd9f95e0$64f88018@markscomputer> Scott Fybush wrote: > In any case, the practice doesn't really bother me that much. Rick Dees > does many of his morning shows for KIIS in Los Angeles from his farm in > Kentucky; Paul Harvey spends several months a year in Arizona and does his > show from there; Don Imus is often at his ranch in New Mexico for his show > - and now the whole world knows how infrequently Rush Limbaugh sets foot in > his Manhattan studio. I'm pretty sure Dees and Harvey never mention where > they are. Imus does. Limbaugh kept it as a barely-concealed secret for many > years but now talks openly about doing the show from Florida. Imus does indeed mention when he's broadcasting at the ranch, I've never heard Paul Harvey mention where's he broadcasting from, although he'll mention if he's making an appearance (i.e "Tomorrow I'll be in New York City to speak to such and such convention") but if he does the show from a studio at ABC's NYC facility that day he doesn't mention that fact. The fact that Gary LaPierre is sitting looking at the beach in Florida while bringing us the news of the day isn't a big deal IMHO, if LaPierre or WBZ management want to tell us, fine. If not, what's the big deal? Someone else mentioned that David Brudnoy regularly does the majority of his shows from his home, and again that's no big deal. If Brudnoy was broadcasting live from the State House or some other location, then that should be disclosed. If LaPierre was anchoring from the State House, that should be disclosed. LaPierre has served WBZ well for almost 40 years, if he still wants to work year round and wants to spend some time in Florida at the same time, then let him enjoy some warm weather while working. Disclosure: I'll be spending a few days (Friday thru Monday) in Daytona Beach FL, escaping the cold blast (trip planned before this cold wave was on the map), and if I could do my day job from the beach, I'd sure love to be able to. Maybe I should drop in on Mr.LaPierre while I'm down there. Mark Watson From paul@03038.com Thu Jan 15 18:11:15 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:16:58 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c3dbbd$d8b2bc40$0e87fea9@q0002> I thought it was "Kelvin" that was the "Absolute Zero" scale. PS: Wind Chill of -40 need not be converted F to C for our Canadian friends....-40 is the spot where F and C read the same! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:14 PM To: Boston Radio Interest (E-mail); billo@shoreham.net Subject: Re: WBZ Florida >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:59:23 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Boston Radio Interest \(E-mail\)" interest@bostonradio.org> >Just read the text of the Globe article on LaPierre broadcasting from his north >Florida home. Peter Casey's remark, "I'm not wasting my airtime to tell people >where Gary is" ... >Bill O'Neill >Warm & Sunny Shoreham, Vermont (-11F) > If it will make you feel better, -11 Fahrenheit is 448.67 degrees Rankine (a scale that adds the number '1' for every degree Fahrenheit above absolute zero). I usually don't indulge in prognostications, but this I guarantee: in July, during the inevitable heat wave, EVERY TV station with a local newscast will run video from the past two cold snaps (so far). Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA: +2 and dropping ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From paul@03038.com Thu Jan 15 18:17:49 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:17:24 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006501c3dbbd$db6902a0$0e87fea9@q0002> #1: I would order "Tanguray (sp?) and Tonic"...so I do think bars take orders for specific branded items. #2: I have been in restaurants with Hunt's kethup/catsup..though the "always full" rule applies there as well.....Ever notice that resteraunts are the only ones that get the 14oz bottles of Heinz these days? I wish they still sold that size in supermarkets...I don't need a "jug o' ketchup' for my tomato-based condiment needs in a year! OH...and this board I'm sure has the answer to this question (and to make it radio-based)... Does Gary LaPierre use Catsup or Ketchup on his Hamburgers in FLA? (Or is that simply a Brand-Name destinction?) -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:21 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org; petef@sprynet.com Subject: RE: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? When I order spiritous liquors, I never order a brand (as in Old Grand Dad Manhattan straight up), just bourbon Manhattan straight up. I never imagine that I'll get the branded products in the typical bar. And have you ever noticed that the bottle of Heinz ketchup that comes with you fries is always full? Somebody has a side job of putting Hunt's or generic ketchup in the bottle I believe. It's bad for a business to piss off it's >customers. Does that apply to "Depends"? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 15 18:24:28 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 15 18:20:06 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? Message-ID: <200401151824.AA187760904@mail.ttlc.net> "Pete Ferrand" noted: >>I don't see it as an ethics issue so much as an issue of trust and >>allegiance. Due to LaPierre's long history with his listeners, there >>was an expectation of what he was doing and where he was. If that is >>broken, it just gives the listener the image that the station and >>LaPierre and radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And that will >>be reciprocated by the listener. Laurence Glavin replied: >When I order spiritous liquors, I never order a brand (as in Old Grand >Dad Manhattan straight up), just bourbon Manhattan straight up. I >never imagine that I'll get the branded products in the typical bar. The difference here is between "a typical bar" and a 40-year relationship between Gary and the WBZ audience. (And, yes, I have listened that long). Surely there is an "order of magnitude" difference in this comparison. This thread could go on and on and on - ad nauseum. Some of us feel uncomfortable, others of us couldn't possibly care less. Regardless, from no on, whenever I hear Gary's voice, my first thought will be "Gee, I wonder where he's broadcasting from today?" It shouldn't be that way, but somehow a little, slender thread of implicit, unspoken trust has silently snapped. A mountain out of a molehill? Maybe. Probably. But if there were no molehill to begin with... Piece spoken. Spleen vented. Case Closed. Let's move on to real important Broadcasting stuff like late pattern changes, inaccuracies in the FCC Database and the death of local radio. Roger Over & Out From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 19:58:49 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:59:06 2004 Subject: Local Radio still lives.. (was: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach?) In-Reply-To: <200401151824.AA187760904@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <009101c3dbcb$e76d7460$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Let's move on to real important Broadcasting stuff like late > pattern changes, inaccuracies in the FCC Database and the > death of local radio. > > Roger > > Over & Out Great name for a law firm, "Over & Out." Local radio is still very much alive at WIPS (1250 Ticonderoga). Been spending a little bit of time there the past month getting acquainted with things both technical and creative production-wise. Great to work with old friend, Chris Ingram again (he's PD). He was a news reporter at WCAP over 20 years ago while I was jocking. We havn't changed a bit . Great set-up with live jocks, audio vault (CoolEditPro). They run a full-service mix with all of the AP audio bells and whistles. Net and local top, net bottom, business hourly. Mornings also feature indigenous info stuff metros could sniff at but meets a great need, e.g., agriculture reports, fishing, etc. The music mix provides for a load of flexibility for the jocks with a predominantly 70s/80s classic rock sound not expected on AM. Fun to tweak the "sound" to meet the needs of the many elements going out. Decent footprint for a kW. Good dial position. No trouble hitting the second and third rim of towns from the center. Interesting characteristic is Lake Champlain (and the NY/VT border) slices the pattern in half. So, the intent is to try to serve the Champlain Valley and its intricacies and indiosyncracies. There's an added emphasis on developing VT local news as a balance. Just a small piece of the radio world, but, if we remember anything from radio kindergarten, it's "one listener at a time." Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 15 20:17:21 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 15 20:17:28 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115120924.03d6a858@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <006201c3dbce$7dc8bf80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> The lack of disclosure is troubling. What if something big happened in Boston like 9/11 or the Blizzard of '78? Would Gary pretend he was right there in the midst of it with his listeners? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 21:29:53 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:30:03 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <006201c3dbce$7dc8bf80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <00a701c3dbd8$a0964f50$9f00a8c0@boneill> > The lack of disclosure is troubling. What if something big > happened in > Boston like 9/11 or the Blizzard of '78? Would Gary pretend > he was right > there in the midst of it with his listeners? > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine What's more, if there were a major crisis in Florida, how would LaPierre explain getting there so quickly? I sense that Gary must be a wonderful man to know. It's as though if it weren't LaPierre as the subject in this matter, that the tenor of the remarks from the list would have been less gracious. I appreciate loyalty, too. However...is WBZ hoping us to believe that LaPierre hosts a "show?" Is that what WBZ Morning News is, a show? The morning news block, if you ask the average WBZ listener, is, quite likely, not Gary LaPierre's program. Is he an icon? Yes. Is WBZ a heritage station? Certainly. Did Carl deSuze, Dave Maynard, Tom Bergeron host a morning show? Yep. Once all-news came in, though, the listener was deftly restructured in their thinking by WBZ to consider the full clock of news and info in real time. And in provincial Boston. Bostonians view Florider quite favorably as where tons of Bay Staters flock to in winter and spring breaks. It's where you go when you aren't doing what you do. That's a troubling image inconsistency. Perhaps Peter Casey was right in not filling up his airtime with unnecessary words like, from sunny Florida, I'm Gary LaPierre, WBZ News. Either way, I don't think most listeners will see this as a problem. Not a huge one for me, neither. As I reflect on it, the very fact that big, corporate radio is doing its best to preserve a gig for someone over THIRTY is worthy of praise on many levels. Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vt. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 15 21:07:22 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:33:27 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <006401c3dbbd$d8b2bc40$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <004301c3dbd9$1b52c020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> It's a matter of degrees--as it were. Kelvin and Celsius use the big degrees; Rankine and Fahrenheit use the little ones. K:R = C:F. That relationship is mathematically incorrect because 0F not= 0C but 0R = 0K. However, I'd call the relationship "philosophically" correct (whatever that means) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 . ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hopfgarten To: ; 'Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)' ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: RE: WBZ Florida > I thought it was "Kelvin" that was the "Absolute Zero" scale. > > PS: Wind Chill of -40 need not be converted F to C for our Canadian > friends....-40 is the spot where F and C read the same! > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -East Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Laurence Glavin > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:14 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest (E-mail); billo@shoreham.net > Subject: Re: WBZ Florida > > > >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:59:23 > >From: "Bill O'Neill" > >To: "Boston Radio Interest \(E-mail\)" > interest@bostonradio.org> > > >Just read the text of the Globe article on LaPierre broadcasting from his > north > >Florida home. Peter Casey's remark, "I'm not wasting my airtime to tell > people > >where Gary is" ... > >Bill O'Neill > >Warm & Sunny Shoreham, Vermont (-11F) > > > If it will make you feel better, -11 Fahrenheit is > 448.67 degrees Rankine (a scale that adds the number > '1' for every degree Fahrenheit above absolute zero). > > I usually don't indulge in prognostications, > but this I guarantee: in July, during the inevitable > heat wave, EVERY TV station with a local newscast will > run video from the past two cold snaps (so far). > > Laurence Glavin > Methuen, MA: +2 and dropping > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 15 21:36:17 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:36:21 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <00a701c3dbd8$a0964f50$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <007c01c3dbd9$84a44490$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Dan Billings'" ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: RE: WBZ Florida > I sense that Gary must be a wonderful man to know. It's as though if it weren't > LaPierre as the subject in this matter, that the tenor of the remarks from the > list would have been less gracious. If this had been someone else, people here would have been all over them for doing it. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Thu Jan 15 21:48:34 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:48:44 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 Message-ID: <00ac01c3dbdb$3c9563d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> wg pr 183602 cl 214823 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 21:52:26 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:52:30 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3dbdb$3c9563d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <00ac01c3dbdb$3c9563d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <200401160252.i0G2qQ09031502@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > wg pr 183602 > cl 214823 Was this supposed to mean something to us, Bill? -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Jan 15 21:55:31 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:54:12 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <005501c3dbb3$06db7360$0200a8c0@wb2qll> References: <000c01c3db93$f65d7020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115214221.009f13d0@pop3.bit-net.com> Pete Ferrand wrote: >I don't see it as an ethics issue so much as an issue of trust and >allegiance. Due to LaPierre's long history with his listeners, there was >an expectation of what he was doing and where he was. If that is broken, >it just gives the listener the image that the station and LaPierre and >radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And that will be reciprocated >by the listener. I just don't see what the big deal is about. The news is the news. Why does it make any difference whether the anchor is in the studio or if he's 1500 mi. away? How does this translate into not giving a damn? The Accu-weather people do their reports via ISDN from somewhere in Pa. Does that make their forecasts any less accurate? Elliot Abrams seems to get it right at least as often as Don Kent ever did. Most listeners just don't care. >It's like a Nestle bar that people buy for years. If the price goes up, >people grumble but know it's inevitable. If the price stays the same but >the bar gets smaller while the package stays the same except for the >weight marking, when people find out they feel taken advantage of and >annoyed...even though obviously the maker adhered to the law and didn't >misrepresent the weight. I don't get the analogy. The news isn't being downsized by not having the anchor in the studio. >As to out-of-market "pretend local" music and talk shows, since they >don't really build up a lengthy expectation of anything in anybody, what >I've seen when listeners are told the jocks are from 700 miles away is, >"ok, so what?". Most of their "local" content learned via the net is so >mindless it doesn't really resonate to the point anyone cares. I've worked with plenty of jocks who had no local content or any relatability to the community yet were sitting in the studio doing their shift live. Indeed, contributed nothing to the show except for keeping the chair warm for 6 hours. Reading a 6 hour old weather report that says "becoming cloudy this afternoon" at 8pm with it pouring rain or reading liner cards promoting an event that was over 3 hours ago. How is this any better than having someone who actually has talent, but is in another city? Maybe we should go back to playing carts & 45s? >-Pete >Enfield, NH (who hopes never to work, live, or otherwise have anything >to do with Florida, the surrounding states, or anywhere else with a >similar climate) Hey, we agree on one thing here! From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 15 21:54:22 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:54:39 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 In-Reply-To: <200401160252.i0G2qQ09031502@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002701c3dbdc$0bf9e380$c3ec33d1@alvin> > < said: > > > wg pr 183602 > > cl 214823 > > Was this supposed to mean something to us, Bill? > > -GAWollman Yeah, like "what's the frequency, Kenneth?" From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Jan 15 22:06:01 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:06:12 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 In-Reply-To: <200401160252.i0G2qQ09031502@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <00ac01c3dbdb$3c9563d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> <200401160252.i0G2qQ09031502@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1074222363.2D96B939@w37.dngr.org> I think he saying its cold out On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:01pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> wg pr 183602 >> cl 214823 > > Was this supposed to mean something to us, Bill? > > -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 15 22:43:52 2004 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:44:23 2004 Subject: Ch7 & Mitt Romney Message-ID: <005401c3dbe2$f70b2360$c79ae541@p133> anyone else notice a ch7 flub: after Gov Romney finished, a ch7 woman said ...his"state of the union address" -Madprof From petef@sprynet.com Thu Jan 15 22:58:41 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:58:47 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115214221.009f13d0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <004101c3dbe5$089804c0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> >SteveOrdinetz transmitted: > Why > does it make any difference whether the anchor is in the > studio or if he's > 1500 mi. away? Doesn't to me, since I rarely listen to news or WBZ. But the reason he gets paid what he does and BZ keeps him around is that people respond to him, and that is reflected in ratings, focus groups, clients, etc. Ultimately communications is between two people and the listener has a certain set of expectations from the sender. LaPierre's been around for so long that people have a set of expectations about him as a personality, whether he's a newscaster or whatever. It's a lot different than the expectations they have for a AP top of hour newscaster at 0500. If you ask in focus groups who you listen to in the morning, I'll bet a lot of people will say "the news on WBZ" but a lot would say "I listen to Gary LaPierre", or do with a little prompting. Reason why radio works, or used to work anyway(!) is that people respond to other people. So if LaPierre is doing something and not letting the audience in on it, the involved listeners (P1's) will be antagonized. Especially for a station where things are supposed to be stable and comforting. > > > >the weight marking, when people find out they feel taken > advantage of > >and annoyed...even though obviously the maker adhered to the law and > >didn't misrepresent the weight. > > > I don't get the analogy. The news isn't being downsized by > not having the > anchor in the studio. The analogy is that people have allegiance to products - candy bars are in substance an undifferentiated product - so it's perception and people buy a certain brand because they feel good about it, because it's been a part of life for years, because they have a certain expectation about what they get, and they don't want to be surprised by finding out the company they have done business with for years has tricked them. Or, in television terms, busting the franchise. A few folks mentioned ordering spirits, as a non-drinker I hadn't thought of this but if one can actually tell the difference between brands and one day the tavern you've gone to for years started to serve you something other than what you ordered it would be a disappointment. Can't comment on the ketchup either as I truly have never noticed - it's the empty bottle that's the problem. Or the dried crud...oh never mind. Ketchup's radio connection is that I have several antique telegraph keys here that I cleaned by soaking in ketchup - very effective and doesn't damage chrome. There's a million things one can clean with, but ketchup works safely. > "becoming cloudy this afternoon" at 8pm with it pouring rain > or reading > liner cards promoting an event that was over 3 hours ago. > How is this any > better than having someone who actually has talent, but is in another > city? It isn't, this is another problem entirely - the audience has no local identification with either jock. I will say that in the old days there was an expectation that radio was concerned and competent, and a jock who repeatedly read something out of date would get a switchboard full of phone calls. No more. > Maybe we should go back to playing carts & 45s? Nah, wearing tuxedos and long evening dresses. Everyone these days can identify with that. -p From petef@sprynet.com Thu Jan 15 22:58:41 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Thu Jan 15 22:59:00 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3dbdb$3c9563d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <004201c3dbe5$09ce13c0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Bill O'Neill supposedly wrote: > wg pr 183602 > cl 214823 Gotta admit, in all my years in broadcasting, this is an insight I've not considered. -Pete Enfield, NH From scott@fybush.com Fri Jan 16 00:05:47 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri Jan 16 00:00:17 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <200401152317.i0FNHVxO027077@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115235536.03dbc060@gwind.pair.com> At 06:17 PM 1/15/2004 -0500, Pete Ferrand wrote: >I don't see it as an ethics issue so much as an issue of trust and >allegiance. Due to LaPierre's long history with his listeners, there was >an expectation of what he was doing and where he was. If that is broken, >it just gives the listener the image that the station and LaPierre and >radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And that will be reciprocated >by the listener. But the question then becomes, where do you draw the line? In all my years at WBZ, I don't ever recall Elliot Abrams mentioning on the air that he's in State College and not in Allston when he gives the weather for "here" - and there's certainly enough banter (at least during Elliot's live segments) between him and the anchors to give at least a plausible impression that he's in the studio. Should that be disclosed? Or what of the Sinclair News Central operation, where every night at 10 I can watch a newscast that alternates between segments done here in Rochester and segments anchored out of Hunt Valley, Maryland? I happen to know that the weather comes from Hunt Valley, and it's far more insulting to me to see a forecaster who's literally never been to Rochester tell me how cold it is "here" (minus 4, windchill to the minus twenties, and WOW was it a cold walk from the parking garage to the Sabres-Bruins game in Buffalo tonight - but at least the B's won) than it is to hear Gary LaPierre, native of Shelburne Falls and longtime resident of Reading, doing an occasional newscast from his vacation place in Florida. I'm probably overly sensitive about this not only because I worked with and have the highest respect for Gary, but also because I was one of the many "behind the scenes" support people who do the grunt work that helps Gary and his anchor colleagues sound as good as they do on the air. Even if Gary's in St. Augustine, there are a dozen other people who are very much "live and local" at Soldiers Field Road at an ungodly early hour of the morning making sure that he - and the listeners - get exactly what they expect and deserve from the morning news. (Which is, I'd add, emphatically NOT true of an operation like News Central, where part of the cost-cutting involved getting rid of the only Rochester-based newspeople with any local experience at all, leaving behind only the thinnest skeleton crew of barely-out-of-college kids with little to no grasp of the community they cover.) The question that I suspect Peter Casey asked himself in deciding whether or not to have Gary announce his whereabouts on the air is "why does it matter"? If I'm an average listener, I wonder if it wouldn't be MORE distracting to hear "I'm Gary LaPierre in St. Augustine, Florida...it's 3 degrees in Boston, and Elliot Abrams says it's going up to 7 today..." than to not have Gary's whereabouts mentioned. To those who feel it's a vital fact to have mentioned: where in the broadcast do you disclose that, and how? s From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 16 01:05:53 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri Jan 16 01:06:04 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <1074180651.33641A3B@w5.dngr.org> References: <200401151018.AA31195452@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <400738F1.23304.6B225E@localhost> On 15 Jan 2004 at 7:30, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Right now I wish I was in Florida I've decided that I am in favor of Global Warming! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston,MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 09:20:48 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 16 09:21:13 2004 Subject: CBS nixes Super Bowl ads for PETA, moveon.org Message-ID: <20040116142048.21677.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> CBS has said it doesn't care to run "advocacy" ads during the Super Bowl, so they're not accepting ads from moveon.org ("Guess who's going to pay off Pres. Bush's deficit?") and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals ("Meat can cause impotence"). CBS says that "advocacy advertisements were out of bounds on professional football's biggest day" and they also felt the PETA ad was in poor taste. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040116/tv_nm/media_superbowl_dc_1 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 16 09:36:44 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri Jan 16 09:36:48 2004 Subject: So we think that we're cold... Message-ID: <002001c3dc3e$2a4a6eb0$6500a8c0@brianhome> > Current Weather Conditions: > Mount Washington, NH, United States > > (KMWN) 44-16N 071-18W 1910M > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Conditions at [Jan 16, 2004 - 01:56 AM EST] > 2004.01.16 0656 UTC > Wind from the WNW (300 degrees) at 87 MPH (76 KT) gusting to 98 MPH > (85 KT) > Visibility 1/16 mile(s) > Sky conditions mostly cloudy > Weather Freezing fog > Temperature -43 F (-42 C) > Windchill -101 F (-74 C) > Dew Point -43 F (-42 C) > Relative Humidity 100% > ob KMWN 160656Z 30076G85KT 1/16SM FZFG BKN000 M42/M42 RMK FZFG BKN000 > VRY LGT ICG > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Maximum and Minimum Temperatures > > Maximum > Temperature > F (C) Minimum > Temperature > F (C) > -38.0 (-38.9) -44.7 (-42.6) In the 6 hours preceding Jan 16, 2004 - > 12:45 AM EST / 2004.01.16 0545 UTC > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Precipitation Accumulation > > Precipitation > Amount > 0.05 inches In the 24 hours preceding Jan 14, 2004 - 06:45 AM EST / > 2004.01.14 1145 UTC > ______________________________________________________________________ > > 24 Hour Summary > > Time > EST (UTC) Temperature > F (C) Dew Point > F (C) Pressure > Inches (hPa) Wind > MPH Weather > Latest 2 AM (7) Jan 16 -43 (-42) -43 (-42) WNW 87 freezing fog > 1 AM (6) Jan 16 -43 (-42) -43 (-42) WNW 82 freezing fog > Midnight (5) Jan 16 -43 (-42) -43 (-42) WNW 84 freezing fog > 11 PM (4) Jan 15 -43 (-42) -43 (-42) WNW 81 freezing fog > 10 PM (3) Jan 15 -41 (-41) -41 (-41) WNW 76 freezing fog > 9 PM (2) Jan 15 -41 (-41) -41 (-41) WNW 81 freezing fog > 8 PM (1) Jan 15 -41 (-41) -41 (-41) WNW 69 freezing fog > 7 PM (0) Jan 15 -40 (-40) -40 (-40) WNW 74 > 6 PM (23) Jan 15 -40 (-40) -40 (-40) NW 81 freezing fog > 5 PM (22) Jan 15 -38 (-39) -38 (-39) WNW 81 freezing fog > 4 PM (21) Jan 15 -38 (-39) -38 (-39) WNW 77 freezing fog > 3 PM (20) Jan 15 -36 (-38) -36 (-38) WNW 60 freezing fog > 2 PM (19) Jan 15 -34 (-37) -41 (-41) NW 73 > 1 PM (18) Jan 15 -34 (-37) -40 (-40) NW 61 > Noon (17) Jan 15 -34 (-37) -40 (-40) NW 63 > 11 AM (16) Jan 15 -34 (-37) -40 (-40) NW 55 > 10 AM (15) Jan 15 -29 (-34) -36 (-38) NW 56 > 9 AM (14) Jan 15 -31 (-35) -36 (-38) NW 54 > 8 AM (13) Jan 15 -31 (-35) -36 (-38) NW 58 > 7 AM (12) Jan 15 -27 (-33) -34 (-37) WNW 51 > 6 AM (11) Jan 15 -27 (-33) -32 (-36) NW 48 > 5 AM (10) Jan 15 -25 (-32) -31 (-35) NW 47 > 4 AM (9) Jan 15 -23 (-31) -29 (-34) WNW 47 > Oldest 3 AM (8) Jan 15 -25 (-32) -31 (-35) WNW 47 > Time > EST (UTC) Temperature > F(C) Dew Point > F(C) Pressure > Inches(hPa) Wind > (MPH) Weather > ______________________________________________________________________ > > The information presented here is taken from products produced by the > U.S. National Weather Service and other national and international > agencies > _________________________________________________________________ > > US Dept of Commerce > National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration > National Weather Service > 1325 East West Highway > Silver Spring, MD 20910 > Page Author: Internet Services Group Disclaimer > Feedback Privacy Notice > Credits > From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 09:46:21 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Jan 16 09:46:34 2004 Subject: So we think that we're cold... In-Reply-To: <002001c3dc3e$2a4a6eb0$6500a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <20040116144621.24167.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> For publcity purposes(I assume), yesterday the entire crew went out on the deck in nothing but T-Shirts for a photo op. --- Brian Vita wrote: > > > Current Weather Conditions: > > Mount Washington, NH, United States > > > > (KMWN) 44-16N 071-18W 1910M > > > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From mamros@MIT.EDU Fri Jan 16 10:00:14 2004 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:00:21 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:41 EST." <004101c3dbe5$089804c0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Message-ID: <200401161500.i0GF0E1U015124@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> >Ultimately communications is between two people and the listener has a >certain set of expectations from the sender. [...] I'd argue that the "expectation" in question here - more like an assumption that the announcer is sitting in a radio station studio - is coming from the listener, not the sender. And, frankly, that assumption is as out of date as the image of huge radio consoles with huge rotary knobs. Gary's far from the only guy who does this, and most of those who do aren't disclosing their location, either. I agree with Scott - it would be a distraction to mention it OTA every time it's done. Imagine if the FCC still required every recording to be preceded by the announcement, "The following is an electrical transcription." People would get tired of that phrase in a hurry, that's for sure... >So if LaPierre is doing something and not letting the audience in on it, >the involved listeners (P1's) will be antagonized. Especially for a >station where things are supposed to be stable and comforting. Is he supposed to let them in on what color tie he's wearing, too? Or whether he's wearing a tie at all? It's radio. All audio, no video. Disclosing too many details just adds clutter. If it's irrelevant to the job at hand, leave it out. To Dan's remark that those who are defending Gary are doing it only because it's Gary: not in my case. I don't know the man, though I do have respect for him. I used to listen to him every morning (and I switched only because my fiancee prefers waking up to music). But I would have no qualms about having any other 'BZ studio staffer, or any announcer (music, news, or talk) at any station I listen to, do their show from home with no mention of same. The sole exception is for reporters in the field; if they say they're live from such-and-such, that's where they'd better be. For anyone else, though, if the technology lets them do as good a job from home as they'd do in the studio, why not use it? And I second Scott's questions for those who insist it has to be disclosed: when and how? -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros mit.edu From paul@03038.com Fri Jan 16 10:15:33 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:29:09 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <004301c3dbd9$1b52c020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <007a01c3dc45$a797bf60$0e87fea9@q0002> Ah! So Rankine and Kelvin START at the same point in "absolute" terms, but move foward at 5:9 relationship (as it were...) -278C=ZeroK=-459.67F=ZeroR....or...+50F=+10C=+328K=+509.76R??? -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:07 PM To: paul@03038.com; lglavin@lycos.com; 'Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)'; billo@shoreham.net Subject: Re: WBZ Florida It's a matter of degrees--as it were. Kelvin and Celsius use the big degrees; Rankine and Fahrenheit use the little ones. K:R = C:F. That relationship is mathematically incorrect because 0F not= 0C but 0R = 0K. However, I'd call the relationship "philosophically" correct (whatever that means) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 . ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hopfgarten To: ; 'Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)' ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: RE: WBZ Florida > I thought it was "Kelvin" that was the "Absolute Zero" scale. > > PS: Wind Chill of -40 need not be converted F to C for our Canadian > friends....-40 is the spot where F and C read the same! > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -East Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Laurence Glavin > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:14 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest (E-mail); billo@shoreham.net > Subject: Re: WBZ Florida > > > >DATE: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:59:23 > >From: "Bill O'Neill" > >To: "Boston Radio Interest \(E-mail\)" > interest@bostonradio.org> > > >Just read the text of the Globe article on LaPierre broadcasting from his > north > >Florida home. Peter Casey's remark, "I'm not wasting my airtime to tell > people > >where Gary is" ... > >Bill O'Neill > >Warm & Sunny Shoreham, Vermont (-11F) > > > If it will make you feel better, -11 Fahrenheit is > 448.67 degrees Rankine (a scale that adds the number > '1' for every degree Fahrenheit above absolute zero). > > I usually don't indulge in prognostications, > but this I guarantee: in July, during the inevitable > heat wave, EVERY TV station with a local newscast will > run video from the past two cold snaps (so far). > > Laurence Glavin > Methuen, MA: +2 and dropping > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > From dwcole@comcast.net Fri Jan 16 10:37:41 2004 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:38:13 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? References: <200401161500.i0GF0E1U015124@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c3dc46$ae536bf0$61f29318@HP310n> Regarding the concern about Gary LaPierre doing his news from his Florida home... I see nothing wrong with it. I'm sure he has access to all the resources he needs to be kept up to date. Today's technology makes that easily possible. He's not the first person to do his work from his home. When I was at WTSN our sports director, Jock MacKenzie, always did the sports from his home in the morning. We provided him with all the wire scores, made sure he had a list of cuts for use in the reports (he let us know what one he wanted to use and when he wanted them), and he made the necessary phone calls and did whatever else he had to do to be prepared. The line was studio quality, so there was no problem on that end. As to WBZ's not disclosing it on the air; that's their choice. With Jock we did let people know where he was, in fact it became the subject of on-air banter and jokes...insinuating he was doing it next to his pool, sipping on a cold one (summertime, obviously). I don't see it as that big of a deal so long as the quality and quantity remains first rate. In fact, as I sat in my newsroom in Portland this morning, watching the streaks of frost fill the window, I was a bit envious. :) Dan Cole From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 16 10:46:00 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:46:04 2004 Subject: So we think that we're cold... In-Reply-To: <20040116144621.24167.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c3dc47$d7851e00$c3ec33d1@alvin> > > > > For publicity purposes(I assume), yesterday the entire > crew went out on the deck in nothing but T-Shirts for > a photo op. > > > --- Brian Vita wrote: > > > > > Current Weather Conditions: > > > Mount Washington, NH, United States > > > > > > (KMWN) 44-16N 071-18W 1910M > > > > > Have their next of kin been notified? From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 16 10:48:07 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:48:10 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <200401161500.i0GF0E1U015124@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000801c3dc48$23010010$c3ec33d1@alvin> > Is he supposed to let them in on what color tie he's wearing, > too? Or whether he's wearing a tie at all? It's radio. "This is Gary LaPierre and I'm not wearing any pants". I don't think so. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 10:52:24 2004 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:52:27 2004 Subject: So we think that we're cold... In-Reply-To: <000001c3dc47$d7851e00$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <20040116155224.30907.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> > > > > Have their next of kin been notified? > Not that long after I posted that email I was listening to AP news and heard them make mention of the event. Except they reffered to the Mt Washington as being "Mt Weather" and they said that it was in Washington State. Oh well, ya can't win them all... ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 13:15:20 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:15:29 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <007a01c3dc45$a797bf60$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <20040116181520.67289.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Ah! So Rankine and Kelvin START at the same point in > "absolute" terms, but > move foward at 5:9 relationship (as it > were...) Speaking of Fahrenheit and Celsius, remember how in the 70s we were supposed to go metric? We have, in bits and pieces. You can get a 12 oz (aka 355 mL) can of soda, or a 2 litre bottle. But gas is still in gallons. Those hash marks at Gillete Stadium are yards, not metres. Somebody is said to be 5'10", not 170 cm. During the 70s when I went to school, they did teach us metric and public service announcements ran on TV and radio (hey! there's our link to the gist of this list) saying "Take Ten--and Learn the Metric Way". I think the formula for conversion is: Take Fahrenheit degrees (example: 50) Subtract 32 (equals 18) Multiply by 5 (equals 90) Divide by 9 (So 50 F equals 10 C) The way I look at it, there are 5 Celsius degrees for every 9 Fahrenheit degrees. So 32 F= 0 C, 41 F= 5 C, 50 F= 10 C... "room temperature" 68 F= 20 C, and so on. Any "bank thermometers" still use both Fahrenheit and Celsius? Maybe the ones close to the Canadian border. Well, it's 4 degrees above right here in Beverly. Too bad it's not 4 degrees Celsius, which would be a bit warmer. At least it would be above freezing! :) From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Jan 16 14:01:31 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:01:34 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3dc46$ae536bf0$61f29318@HP310n> References: <200401161500.i0GF0E1U015124@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu> <000a01c3dc46$ae536bf0$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: <65324.216.204.15.170.1074279691.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Dan Cole wrote... > When I was at WTSN our sports director, Jock MacKenzie, always did the > sports from his home in the morning. We provided him with all the wire > scores, made sure he had a list of cuts for use in the reports (he let > us know what one he wanted to use and when he wanted them), and he made > the necessary phone calls and did whatever else he had to do to be > prepared. The line was studio quality, so there was no problem on that > end. Likewise, back in the mid-late 90s the AM drive newsperson we had on WJYY was a single mother with small children. A real hassle to find a sitter at 5am, so we had an ISDN line installed at her house, and set up a small mixer. Wire copy was either faxed to her or she got it off the web. I doubt anyone cared that she was not in the studio. > I don't see it as that big of a deal so long as the quality and quantity > remains first rate. Which is, frankly all the listeners care about either. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 14:02:54 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:09:51 2004 Subject: WTTT -...have a website? Message-ID: <004101c3dc63$5aed9ae0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Anyone know if WTTT-1150AM has a web site yet? I thought I heard mentioned that they did. Thanks! JP From rbello@BelloAssoc.com Fri Jan 16 14:30:13 2004 From: rbello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:34:26 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <20040116181520.67289.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <007a01c3dc45$a797bf60$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040116142834.00b5f2c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> > >Any "bank thermometers" still use both Fahrenheit >and Celsius? Maybe the ones close to the >Canadian border. Middlesex Savings in beautiful and balmy downtown Natick has both. From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Jan 16 15:05:11 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:05:16 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? In-Reply-To: <65324.216.204.15.170.1074279691.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002a01c3dc6c$0c8b99c0$59464742@Sean> Steve O. writes: << Likewise, back in the mid-late 90s the AM drive newsperson we had on WJYY was a single mother with small children. A real hassle to find a sitter at 5am, so we had an ISDN line installed at her house, and set up a small mixer. Wire copy was either faxed to her or she got it off the web. I doubt anyone cared that she was not in the studio. >> The only problem with Gary's situation is he's not 10 minutes away, 20 minutes away, sipping coffee while sitting in his long-johns or baby-sitting and he's not on air just three times an hour with 3-minute updates ... he's in Florida, practically half a country away. Yes, he can rip and read the wire copy (or view it online) and, yes, he can interact just the same as if he was at 1170 SFR. There is a difference to reading/watching the news and being in the area to experience it - I can tell you this just from spending three weeks in Boston leading up to last week Patriots' game and spending this week here in sunny, chilly Happy Valley and experiencing the news solely via the Internet (and occasionally peeking at Channel 38's 10 p.m. news). I know Scott wasn't trying to say exactly this but his earlier post pretty much said (paraphrasing here), "There's a dozen other people writing the news, Gary's just reading it." Sure, but that pretty much just reduces him to the level of one of those dreaded Sinclair weather guys in Hunt Valley, right? Doesn't matter whether he's lived in Reading for a bazillion years or not. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 16:06:29 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Jan 16 16:13:30 2004 Subject: Radio stunt? Outside in a bathing suit? Message-ID: <001d01c3dc74$a2abf000$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> A friend sent this to me from the Indianapolis paper: What station is doing this? Isn't this a dangerous stunt? >> Some New Englanders are trying to prove their toughness. In a contest being sponsored by a Boston radio station today, the person who stays out in the cold the longest, wearing only a bathing suit, will win two tickets to Sunday's game. << From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 16 17:55:37 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 16 17:55:50 2004 Subject: Pinney 01/02/04 In-Reply-To: <200401160252.i0G2qQ09031502@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001201c3dc83$dc249f80$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Was this supposed to mean something to us, Bill? > > -GAWollman Nope. Sorry. Just a mental hiccup. Any similarities to individuals living or dead are purely coincidental. Now, forward into the past. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 16 18:13:18 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:13:25 2004 Subject: Celcius (was: WBZ Florida) In-Reply-To: <20040116181520.67289.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c3dc86$54a28010$9f00a8c0@boneill> Bob Nelson: > Speaking of Fahrenheit and Celsius, remember how in > the 70s we were supposed to go metric? We have, in > bits and pieces. You can get a 12 oz (aka 355 mL) > can of soda, or a 2 litre bottle. But gas is still > in gallons. I recall we did Celcius temps on WJUL in the early 80s but that was bucking the trend that had already started to abandon any effort. Dual-temps were the early 80s rule on WCAP for a _brief_ time, IIRC. I do remember a day in November. The eleventh to be exact. The time? Eleven past eleven. The temp? Eleven Celcius. I happened to be in a break on WJUL as a kid and looked up to see all digital numbers in the station reading the number "1". Figured it a coincidence or that my number was up. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 16 18:17:16 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:17:21 2004 Subject: Radio stunt? Outside in a bathing suit? In-Reply-To: <001d01c3dc74$a2abf000$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <001e01c3dc86$e1f53de0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Joe P. writes: > A friend sent this to me from the Indianapolis paper: > > What station is doing this? Isn't this a dangerous stunt? > > >> > Some New Englanders are trying to prove their toughness. In a > contest being > sponsored by a Boston radio station today, the person who > stays out in the > cold the longest, wearing only a bathing suit, will win two tickets to > Sunday's game. > << Do you get a prize if you can predict the correct number of body bits that will crack and fall off? Put me down that he loses... 2? Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 16 20:37:49 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Jan 16 20:38:08 2004 Subject: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? References: <002a01c3dc6c$0c8b99c0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <003501c3dc9a$8550df90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "'SteveOrdinetz'" ; Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: RE: LaPierre on the loose...on the beach? > I know Scott wasn't trying to say exactly this but his earlier post > pretty much said (paraphrasing here), "There's a dozen other people > writing the news, Gary's just reading it." Sure, but that pretty much > just reduces him to the level of one of those dreaded Sinclair weather > guys in Hunt Valley, right? Doesn't matter whether he's lived in Reading > for a bazillion years or not. And what if something big happened in Boston one morning? How would they handle it? Would Gary disappear but when he try to give the impression that he was in it with his listeners? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 16 21:28:59 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 16 21:29:08 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <007a01c3dc45$a797bf60$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <000101c3dca1$aafc9070$9f00a8c0@boneill> Paul H. writes: > -278C=ZeroK=-459.67F=ZeroR....or...+50F=+10C=+328K=+509.76R??? Gadzooks! I thought it was #$@3456*($2322)*884.5^3EIEIO.??? I shame myself. %@+jr#@ Bill #@9Ut4 O'Neill From tc@chaostheory.com Fri Jan 16 21:29:53 2004 From: tc@chaostheory.com (TC Cheever) Date: Fri Jan 16 21:30:03 2004 Subject: Radio stunt? Outside in a bathing suit? In-Reply-To: <001d01c3dc74$a2abf000$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <0838AD92-4895-11D8-96E9-0003934E8B7A@chaostheory.com> It's WBCN. The contestants have to paint the station's name and 'Patriots' on their body, then whoever can stand in the parking lot of the Big Dog Sports Bar the longest wearing only a bathing suit (trunks for the guys, bikinis for the ladies-- they're specifying that) wins tickets to the Super Bowl. I think they're allowed to wear socks, too. On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 04:06 PM, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > A friend sent this to me from the Indianapolis paper: > > What station is doing this? Isn't this a dangerous stunt? > >>> > Some New Englanders are trying to prove their toughness. In a contest > being > sponsored by a Boston radio station today, the person who stays out in > the > cold the longest, wearing only a bathing suit, will win two tickets to > Sunday's game. > << > From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 16 21:43:45 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 16 21:44:03 2004 Subject: Radio stunt? Outside in a bathing suit? In-Reply-To: <0838AD92-4895-11D8-96E9-0003934E8B7A@chaostheory.com> Message-ID: <000001c3dca3$baee5f70$9f00a8c0@boneill> TC writes: > It's WBCN. The contestants have to paint the station's name and > 'Patriots' on their body, then whoever can stand in the > parking lot of > the Big Dog Sports Bar the longest wearing only a bathing > suit BIG dog, huh? In THIS wx? Don't think so. ;-) Thinking back to the good/bad ole days of Charles and the Big Matress, Captain Ken, Mark Parenteau, overnights with the Duke of Madness. What would Dwayne Ingalls Glasscock say at a time like this? Bill O'Neill From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 17 01:35:02 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Jan 17 01:35:23 2004 Subject: Celcius (was: WBZ Florida) In-Reply-To: <001901c3dc86$54a28010$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <20040116181520.67289.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40089146.22513.4C2362@localhost> On 16 Jan 2004 at 18:13, Bill O'Neill wrote: > I recall we did Celcius temps on WJUL in the early 80s but > that was bucking the trend that had already started to abandon any > effort. Dual-temps were the early 80s rule on WCAP for a _brief_ > time, IIRC. I do remember a day in November. The eleventh to be > exact. The time? Eleven past eleven. The temp? Eleven Celcius. Hey, remember when we used to call it "Centigrade"? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston,MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sven@gordsven.com Sat Jan 17 01:59:21 2004 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Jan 17 01:59:30 2004 Subject: Radio stunt? Outside in a bathing suit? In-Reply-To: <0838AD92-4895-11D8-96E9-0003934E8B7A@chaostheory.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, TC Cheever wrote: > the Big Dog Sports Bar the longest wearing only a bathing suit (trunks > for the guys, bikinis for the ladies-- they're specifying that) wins So the guys can't stand out there wearing a thong? :-) :-p -- Sven From petef@sprynet.com Sat Jan 17 05:59:28 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Sat Jan 17 05:59:49 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115235536.03dbc060@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <000001c3dce8$fb8a63e0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> > Friday, January 16, 2004 12:06 AM Scott Fybush wrote: > > >broken, it just gives the listener the image that the station and > >LaPierre and radio in general just doesn't give a damn. And > > that will > >be reciprocated by the listener. > > But the question then becomes, where do you draw the line? This is a different issue, you're asking if other people's locations should be disclosed. It's a marketing issue. When you create a product you establish how that product is to be perceived in the marketplace. You want to burnish and further that image, not produce dissonance. My take is that the audience associates LaPierre with doing a show in Boston, and being in Boston, and it would think he was trying to put one over on them by doing the show from "an undisclosed location". Inherently it doesn't matter where one does a show, and for other performers the audience won't give a damn, because the audience perception for them isn't associated with doing a show in Boston. People have a very strong allegiance to places, second only to their allegiance to people, so places are an effective way of marketing...but if a station doesn't want to use it, and most don't, that is a reasonable decision, so there's no strong expectation in the audience so finding out where someone is of no interest whatever. > segments) between him and the anchors to give at least a plausible > impression that he's in the studio. Should that be disclosed? I've no interest in weather forecasts and have no recollection of what this sounds like, but it's probably a good example where's there's no image of him being in Boston being created. I have heard other station's meteorologists talk about being in Pennsylvania, or whatever. People do naturally want to know about people they listen to, so it makes sense to talk about all this stuff if it can be done in an entertaining way relevant to the listener, but again, if they don't then there's no dissonance created when/if people find out. > > Or what of the Sinclair News Central operation, where every Again, a different issue and one probably none of us thinks is a particularly good way of doing news. But I would think they're not marketing their remote anchors as born and raised in town, and you see 'em on the street. I'd think if a viewer were told these people are someplace else, the question would be along the lines of "how do they do that?", and "how do they know the news?", not "how sleazy of them". So it's not an issue with them. And not an issue with Jay Severin, doing his show from Long Island, the location isn't part of the persona. > twenties, and WOW > was it a cold walk from the parking garage to the > Sabres-Bruins game in > Buffalo tonight - but at least the B's won) This starts to sound deceptive. Over the last year or two the Wall St. Journal did a front page story on DJ's doing out of market shows, focusing on someone calling himself "Big Rig", who does two or maybe three shows a day from someplace down south. What they found with him and a few others were the jocks making comments about visiting clubs and making comments about what they saw there the previous night, when in fact they were hundreds of miles away. When this was brought to Clear Channel management, the response was, "Oh no, we would never allow this, and the jocks must have been too enthusiastic and carried away," etc. It's not the same as doing the show from a purple grotto or a make-believe ballroom :) > to not have Gary's whereabouts mentioned. To those who feel > it's a vital > fact It's not a vital fact by any means, but it's not enhancing to audience loyalty. As I've said before, I think most people would understand and be happy he has a chance to work from FL, and certainly believe he can do as good a job. I also wonder if keeping a secret like this has a negative effect on his performance somehow. Being on guard about anything if you're ad-libbing can be problematic. > to have mentioned: where in the broadcast do you > disclose that, and how? Lots of ways, including the way Brudnoy disclosed he was working from home. Like anything one mentions on the air, it should be put forth as a positive asset for the listener and the station. Mention it a couple of times a week, informally and in context, at different times, depending on his schedule. Certainly not billboard it at the top or bottom of a newscast/commentary. -Pete Enfield, NH From w1mex@lycos.com Sat Jan 17 09:09:52 2004 From: w1mex@lycos.com (KEVIN GOODWIN) Date: Sat Jan 17 09:10:10 2004 Subject: WTTT -...have a website? Message-ID: -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:02:54 From: "Joseph Pappalardo" To: Cc: >Anyone know if WTTT-1150AM has a web site yet? > >I thought I heard mentioned that they did. > >Thanks! > >JP > Yes they do the website is www.talk1150.com Kevin Goodwin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 17 10:55:44 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 17 10:54:26 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <000001c3dce8$fb8a63e0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040115235536.03dbc060@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117103814.009ef160@pop3.bit-net.com> Pete Ferrand wrote: >My take is that the audience associates LaPierre with doing a show in >Boston, and being in Boston, and it would think he was trying to put one >over on them by doing the show from "an undisclosed location". I think you're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore (if it ever did). Most people today seem comfortable with technology and, indeed think much of this is cool. Voicetracking is one (aside from the usual complainers on boards like radio-info.com), my guess is that this is another. Why are you creating a double standard...one for GL and another for everyone else? >People do naturally want to know about people they listen to, so it >makes sense to talk about all this stuff if it can be done in an >entertaining way relevant to the listener, but again, if they don't then >there's no dissonance created when/if people find out. > > > > Or what of the Sinclair News Central operation, where every > >Again, a different issue and one probably none of us thinks is a >particularly good way of doing news. But I would think they're not >marketing their remote anchors as born and raised in town, and you see >'em on the street. Again, I don't think anyone really cares. What WBZ is marketing is GL's knowlege & familiarity with the region, not necessarily that he is there all the time. Just because he's on vacation doesn't make him instantly unfamiliar with the region. I don't know how often he broadcasts from Fla. but I can't say as I've heard any variation in his anchoring from one week to another. I think that's far more important to listeners than whether he's right there in the studio with his co-workers. > > twenties, and WOW > > was it a cold walk from the parking garage to the > > Sabres-Bruins game in > > Buffalo tonight - but at least the B's won) > >This starts to sound deceptive. Over the last year or two the Wall St. >Journal did a front page story on DJ's doing out of market shows, >focusing on someone calling himself "Big Rig", who does two or maybe >three shows a day from someplace down south. This is show biz. Theatre of the mind and all that. Yeah, it sounds hokey when someone mispronounces a local name, or calls something by it's official name rather than what the locals call it, but that's just bad radio whether you're in the studio or not, and listeners usually pick up on that stuff pretty fast. Do you complain when you watch a movie and they use a stunt double? That's just as "deceptive". No, because it doesn't matter. Listeners want the end product...if it's done well, they've gotten what they came for. If not, they go somewhere else. Looking at WBZ's numbers over the past decades, I'd guess they like what they hear. To say that GL loses his cred because he's occasionally away is needless nit-picking. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 17 13:36:56 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:37:17 2004 Subject: LaPierre Kerfuffle on WGBX-TV's "Greater Boston" Message-ID: The Gary Lapierre-in-Florida kerfuffle was one of the subjects on last night's (01/16) "Greater Boston" on channel 2. It will be rebroadcast tomorrow (01/18) at 8:30 am in the morning (as the Jibguy says) on WGBX-TV channel 44. John Keller is part of the panel, but as a WBZ-AM contributor, he recused himself. (Reporters and columnists from the Herald, Globe and Phoenix have to mix it up if that person's paper is the subject of discussion!) A chiron on the show refers to "FlaPierre on the Loose"...cute. Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA (+26 degrees and rising at 12 noon) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 17 16:57:25 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat Jan 17 16:51:55 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <200401171554.i0HFsqxO035218@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117165555.03f06698@gwind.pair.com> At 10:54 AM 1/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Any "bank thermometers" still use both Fahrenheit >and Celsius? Maybe the ones close to the >Canadian border. I guess Rochester counts, then; the sign at the "12 Corners", the commercial heart of the town of Brighton about a mile from my house, displays both F and C in rotation with the time. 19 F, -7 C as I type this...it's downright TOASTY here today :-) s From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 17 17:32:06 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat Jan 17 17:26:37 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <200401171554.i0HFsqxO035218@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117165941.03f09c88@gwind.pair.com> >I know Scott wasn't trying to say exactly this but his earlier post >pretty much said (paraphrasing here), "There's a dozen other people >writing the news, Gary's just reading it." Sure, but that pretty much >just reduces him to the level of one of those dreaded Sinclair weather >guys in Hunt Valley, right? Doesn't matter whether he's lived in Reading >for a bazillion years or not. Not hardly. I don't know whether this is still the case, but when I was writing for mornings, Gary wrote his own "A" block (top/bottom of the hour to traffic at :03/:33) and I wrote his "B" block (:05-:08/:35-:38, give or take), though by the end of the morning enough material had been shuffled back and forth to fill or make up time that the distinction sort of evaporated. And in any case, Gary frequently rewrote my stuff and rearranged the order of stories chosen by the editor on duty; that's part of his prerogative as "managing editor" of the broadcast. By no means is he a talking head, whether he's sitting in the studio or in St. Augustine. What I meant to convey was the idea that even if Gary's in Florida for a week or two at a time, he's got a top-notch support staff back in Boston making sure that nothing gets missed as a result. My issue with the dreaded Sinclair weather people (they're actually women, most of them) in Hunt Valley is that they have ZERO experience with Rochester weather. We have very complicated weather patterns here thanks to Lakes Ontario and Erie nearby, and as a result of the huge quantities of snow we get every winter, most Rochesterians are much less fazed by a forecast of, say, 6-12" overnight than people would be in most markets. (There is also - just as in the Boston market - a tremendous variation in snowfall and other storm conditions from one part of the market to another. "North of the Thruway" and "South of the Thruway" are very important distinctions here.) Being FROM here - or at least living here long enough to experience a few winters and see how the natives deal with them - makes a big difference in being able to accurately forecast what's on the way and to convey that information to locals in a useful way. Once you have that experience, though, I don't think it disappears just because you leave town for a week or two. But you have to get that experience first - and the weather folk at Hunt Valley have, for the most part, never even visited Rochester. (At the same time, weather is one of those things that I think does require proximity. As much as I respect some of our TV meteorologists in Rochester, there's no way they could call a big storm as accurately from State College or Hunt Valley or St. Augustine as they can looking out the window here in town.) But what Gary does is somewhat different. It's been years - decades, even, maybe - since he's been out in the field reporting, or even spending much time gathering news from the studio. He's not "just reading" the news by any means, but his role is much more that of an intermediary than that of a primary newsgatherer. I'm much less troubled by the idea of Gary anchoring (unannounced) from Florida than I was when I first got to WBZ and saw one reporter heading out to the parking lot at 4:55 to do a 5 AM "live from" report from the cell phone in his car just outside the back door. I don't think the reporter in question was claiming to be anywhere in particular, but it seems to me that there IS still an expectation from listeners that reporters will be where they seem to be (whether that's in the studio in Boston or at the scene of a story.) I don't think there's that same expectation these days for an anchor. There certainly doesn't seem to be any sense of outrage here in Rochester that half of the only 10 PM broadcast TV news in town comes from Maryland, and that's never been a secret (it was reported, at least sketchily, in the local papers when they made the switch to News Central.) Several people have asked what would happen if there's some huge story in Boston while Gary's in Florida. I can't speak for the current news management at WBZ, obviously, but I can hazard a reasonable guess from having worked with most of them: while Gary wouldn't disappear from the broadcast at that point, whichever other anchors are in the studio at the time (Deb Lawler and Jay McQuaide, primarily) would handle most of the anchoring duties; there would be a lot of use of channel 4 news audio; and if Gary's location in Florida became a relevant issue in terms of his ability to report what was going on, he'd say something about it on the air. I can tell you exactly what would happen if a huge story broke while Gary was in Boston: he wouldn't leave his studio; he'd be in constant communication by text messaging and intercom with the editor on duty, and he'd be watching channel 4 on a screen in the corner to see what they're doing. Now answer me this: unless the breaking story were actually taking place in the corner of the WBZ parking lot that Gary can see out the studio window (and it's neither a very big window nor very convenient to look out of while on the air), how is he any less connected when he's in Florida? He's got the same computer screens in front of him, the same full access to incoming audio (it all passes through the router system no matter what the source), and the same intercom connection to the editor's desk. The only thing he might not have in Florida is live channel 4 video, and it's certainly technically possible for him to have THAT as well - all it would take would be a DirecTV or Dish receiver with an account billed to Soldiers Field Road. Either way, as an anchor Gary is ultimately by himself in a room with a lot of incoming text and audio information, and his job is to synthesize all of that so it makes sense to a listener in Boston. My contention is that all of Gary's experience makes it possible for him to do that job just as well - and with as much relevance and connection to Boston's audience - from somewhere other than Boston, at least for short periods of time. That's still not the same thing as the News Central sort of operation, where the idea is that the Hunt Valley anchors can do what they do without EVER setting foot in Rochester or Flint or Pittsburgh or Raleigh or Las Vegas or... s From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 17 17:40:16 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 17 17:40:20 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117165941.03f09c88@gwind.pair.com> References: <200401171554.i0HFsqxO035218@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20040117165941.03f09c88@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <200401172240.i0HMeGp6044954@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > (unannounced) from Florida than I was when I first got to WBZ and saw one > reporter heading out to the parking lot at 4:55 to do a 5 AM "live from" > report from the cell phone in his car just outside the back door. Live from Brighton I'm Joe Schmoe? I'm always amused when I see the TV stations do their Obligatory Live Shots on a story that doesn't have any specific location; if you know the neighborhoods in the vicinity of 1170 Soldiers Field Road, 5 TV Place, 7 Bulfinch Place, 75 Morrissey Blvd., and 1000 Providence Highway, it's not too difficult to figure out that the crews didn't travel very far. If I'm watching channel 4 and it's the generic ``people stocking up before the big storm'' story, nine times out of ten it will be ``reporter standing in the parking lot of the Brighton Shaw's before the big storm''. Once in a while perhaps they'll go to Stop & Shop instead (but that's a whole half-mile farther to drive). I think the weather people tend to be more forthright about it: they do their Obligatory Live Shots right out the back door and usually say so. -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 17 19:41:01 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:41:14 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <200401172240.i0HMeGp6044954@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000201c3dd5b$bfe0d090$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I think the weather people tend to be more forthright about it: they > do their Obligatory Live Shots right out the back door and usually say > so. > > -GAWollman "This is Dick Albert on the roof, overlooking 128!" Here in Burlington, WPTZ's Tom Messner often will be outside in the lot near the dish farm. Perhaps they'll shoot cams at the airport or in Plattsburg. Remember Shelby Scott and her color-coded wool caps? Not that it wasn't a waste of great talent, but it provide for a "you are here" perspective. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 17 19:47:29 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:47:36 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <000201c3dd5b$bfe0d090$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <001101c3dd5c$a7083ad0$6500a8c0@brianhome> > Remember Shelby Scott and > her color-coded wool caps? . > I missed that detail. How did that work? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 17 20:44:07 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 17 20:44:16 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <001101c3dd5c$a7083ad0$6500a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <000301c3dd64$9042f080$9f00a8c0@boneill> > > Remember Shelby Scott and > > her color-coded wool caps? . > > > I missed that detail. How did that work? > > Brian T. Vita IIRC, Shelby wore hats with colors based on severity of storm. Not sure if it was red, blue and another color. Maybe akin to the (old) Hancock building beacon It's been awhile, so, I'm short on details. I'm sure others here can 411. Bill O'Neill From postmaster@mx-2.netwave.ca Sat Jan 17 20:44:55 2004 From: postmaster@mx-2.netwave.ca (postmaster@mx-2.netwave.ca) Date: Sat Jan 17 20:51:37 2004 Subject: Virus Notification from Netwave Warning - Virus Found Message-ID: The following message had attachment(s) which contained the viruses: >From : md4allfun@galore.com To : boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject : Date : Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:44:03 -0500 Message-ID: Attachment Virus name Action taken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ cf2885231515.txt Exploit.IFrame.FileDownloadRemoved Rzz.scr ??? Removed From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 18 10:53:24 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Jan 18 10:54:12 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117165941.03f09c88@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <001301c3dddb$4eb0ece0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Scott: You're missing the point. What WBZ is selling is its credibility. If you can't believe what your hear on WBZ's newscasts, can you believe anything you hear on the radio? WBZ's credibility is vital to advertisers. The station commands top dollar for running spots not only because lots of people listen but also because any advertisement that listeners hear on WBZ carries a certain added cachet, which rubs off from the station's image as the market's only credible audio news source on the commercial part of the broadcast bands. Still, even the sheer number of people who listen to the news on WBZ will decline if the news lacks credibility. With that as backdrop, WBZ management's conscious decision to mislead the audience about LaPierre's whereabouts seems to display very bad judgment. In fact, where Gary broadcasts from WOULD be irrelevant IF Peter Casey et al had not tried to conceal the location and if Casey were not now trying to make the whole subject just go away. Casey is throwing away the baby with the bath water. In the statements I've heard, he has shown no appreciation for the issue of trust between the listeners and their primary news source. Anyone who likens this situation to that of a talk-show host pretending to be somewhere he isn't is similarly missing the point. Talk-show hosts are entertainers, not news people. As the folks on Channel 2's Beat the Press pointed out, WBZ could have prevented this entire brou-ha-ha if, when LaPierre started doing it three years ago, the station had quietly announced that he would sometimes be working from Florida. At that time, such a revelation might have resulted in a discussion of his ability to do the job from 1500 miles away, which in turn would have required WBZ to give the listeners a glimpse into what goes on behind the scenes at the station, but I doubt whether it would have caused the same sort of discussion we are now enduring. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: WBZ Florida From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 18 11:27:59 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:28:17 2004 Subject: Today's LTAR: EWTN Message-ID: <20040118162759.7386.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> On today's Let's Talk About Radio, the subject of EWTN came up and Bob and Dan couldn't remember what those initials stand for. It's Eternal Word Television Network. I remember once flipping through the TV channels and catching a promo on EWTN which alleged that some people were mixing them up with the ESPN cable network. "You won't find sports on EWTN. But you will find the Cardinals and the Padres." :) ("padre", from the Spanish for "Father", being a nickname for a priest. Fr. Mulcahy on "M*A*S*H" was sometimes referred to as "the Padre") From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 18 13:17:54 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Jan 18 13:18:15 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:44:07 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "'Brian Vita'" ,"'Garrett >Wollman'" ,"'Scott >Fybush'" Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >> > Remember Shelby Scott and >> > her color-coded wool caps? . >> > >> I missed that detail. How did that work? > >IIRC, Shelby wore hats with colors based on severity of storm. Not sure if it >was red, blue and another color. Maybe akin to the (old) Hancock building beacon > It's been awhile, so, I'm short on details. >Bill O'Neill > > Let's see: a post about Shelby Scott includes the phrase "short on details". Hmmm...do you make up puns in your sleep? Laurence Glavin (I wait till I have a cup of coffee first) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Jan 18 13:26:22 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Jan 18 13:26:40 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida Message-ID: >DATE: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:53:24 >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>,"Scott Fybush" >With that as backdrop, WBZ management's conscious decision to mislead the >audience about LaPierre's whereabouts seems to display very bad judgment. In >fact, where Gary broadcasts from WOULD be irrelevant IF Peter Casey et al >had not tried to conceal the location and if Casey were not now trying to >make the whole subject just go away. Casey is throwing away the baby with >the bath water. In the statements I've heard, he has shown no appreciation >for the issue of trust between the listeners and their primary news source. >Anyone who likens this situation to that of a talk-show host pretending to >be somewhere he isn't is similarly missing the point. Talk-show hosts are >entertainers, not news people. >> >-- >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net >eFax 707-215-6367 > The WBZ executive on channel 2/44 I believe was Ted Jordan, and at one point he began a sentence like this: "Our morning news show, I mean newscast"...etc. This was not an intentional faux pas, like Bob Bittner saying "National Association of Bankers, I mean Broadcasters"; It struck me as the proverbial Freudian slip in which he blurted out what he really meant, then had to correct himself in mid-sentence. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 18 14:16:29 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Jan 18 14:16:34 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <001301c3dddb$4eb0ece0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000401c3ddf7$94199130$9f00a8c0@boneill> Dan S.: In the statements I've heard, he has shown no > appreciation > for the issue of trust between the listeners and their > primary news source. There's a bit of arrogance to the way all stations run themselves and in how they present themselves to the public, a contrast to how news organizations are wont to digging into stories of this kind within other organizations. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sun Jan 18 14:17:42 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Jan 18 14:17:52 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c3ddf7$bfe6a410$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Let's see: a post about Shelby Scott includes the phrase > "short on details". Hmmm...do you make up puns in your sleep? > > Laurence Glavin > (I wait till I have a cup of coffee first) Can't take credit this time. Purely a chance collection of words! Bill O'Neill From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Jan 18 15:33:49 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Jan 18 15:33:57 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <001301c3dddb$4eb0ece0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000901c3de02$610b3090$59464742@Sean> Dan S. writes: << WBZ could have prevented this entire brou-ha-ha if, when LaPierre started doing it three years ago, the station had quietly announced that he would sometimes be working from Florida. At that time, such a revelation might have resulted in a discussion of his ability to do the job from 1500 miles away, which in turn would have required WBZ to give the listeners a glimpse into what goes on behind the scenes at the station, but I doubt whether it would have caused the same sort of discussion we are now enduring. >> Wasn't that also right about the time Gary stopped anchoring the noon news on Channel 4? From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 18 17:54:57 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun Jan 18 17:49:26 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <000901c3de02$610b3090$59464742@Sean> References: <001301c3dddb$4eb0ece0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040118174811.03dbb068@gwind.pair.com> At 03:33 PM 1/18/2004 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Dan S. writes: ><< WBZ could have prevented this entire brou-ha-ha if, when LaPierre >started doing it three years ago, the station had quietly announced that >he would sometimes be working from Florida. At that time, such a >revelation might have resulted in a discussion of his ability to do the >job from 1500 miles away, which in turn would have required WBZ to give >the listeners a glimpse into what goes on behind the scenes at the >station, but I doubt whether it would have caused the same sort of >discussion we are now enduring. >> > >Wasn't that also right about the time Gary stopped anchoring the noon >news on Channel 4? Unrelated, to the best of my fuzzy memory. Gary never really wanted to do the noon show (choice of phraseology not accidental on my part!), and IIRC he was happy to give it up when TV management had another idea about who should be anchoring. To get back to Dan's point, I recognize the validity of his concern about the station's credibility. And I agree that Dan's suggestion is exactly the way it should have been handled back when GL began doing this on a regular basis. (Garrett, although he hasn't weighed in on this topic here, suggested to me on the phone the other night that it actually would have made a nifty feature story - "look how new technology lets us bring Gary to you more weeks out of the year" and all that.) With all due deference to my former employers, PR was never a strong suit there. The real test of whether or not Joe Average Listener cares will come in the next ratings book, and my gut tells me that BZ won't suffer any ratings damage from all of this. I don't think anyone outside our little media-centric circle much cares - not just about a minor credibility lapse like this but about much bigger ones like News Central or Jayson Blair. If anything, that's what they've probably come to expect from big media in this day and age. s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Jan 18 22:37:13 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun Jan 18 22:31:13 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all Message-ID: <200401182237.AA3715694864@mail.ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: >Cameras 6 and 8 blew from the cold and the master switcher decided >to reboot itself. WADR and wishing this didn't sound like an old-timer whining about the "Good Old Days" - BUT, these kinda things were extremely unlikey with tubes. Drift, maybe - but tubes kept things warm. ?Reboot? I don't think so. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 18 23:53:06 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 18 23:53:23 2004 Subject: Today's LTAR Message-ID: <400B1C62.32459.2B13DE@localhost> EWTN stands for Eternal Word Television Network. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 19 09:18:49 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 19 09:19:01 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <200401182237.AA3715694864@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000101c3de97$28ef8680$9f00a8c0@boneill> Roger: > WADR and wishing this didn't sound like an old-timer whining about > the "Good Old Days" - BUT, these kinda things were extremely unlikey > with tubes. Drift, maybe - but tubes kept things warm. > > ?Reboot? I don't think so. In the vein of oldtimer-sounding, I've rediscovered my 1951 Zenith table radio (not valuable, tons still out there) with the metal pointer in the round center dial, AM/FM. AM works much better. I can't get this clean, round sound in any other radios. The Bose is tough to beat, however. Just clicking on the power/volume knob, waiting about 30 seconds for the unit to start to deliver audio, it seems emblematic of yet another example of how far we've come in our "instant on" culture. Bill O'Neill From petef@sprynet.com Mon Jan 19 09:43:15 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Mon Jan 19 09:43:37 2004 Subject: WBZ Florida In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040117103814.009ef160@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <007d01c3de9a$938e9230$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Steve Ordinetz replies: > >My take is that the audience associates LaPierre with doing a show > >in Boston, > I think you're living in an era that doesn't exist anymore (if it ever > did). Most people today seem comfortable with technology > and, indeed think > much of this is cool. I disagree. I think this isn't at all relevant to anyone's life, and thus they're not the least bit interested in it. They don't really care how it works. > another. Why are you creating a double standard...one for GL > and another > for everyone else? I'm not. I'm suggesting there's a different standard for *every* personality. Every personality and every radio station is a different product, and thus they are properly all marketed differently. GL is one of relatively few personalities that benefit by a tradition of having listeners involved as we've discussed. > > Again, I don't think anyone really cares. What WBZ is marketing is > GL's knowlege & familiarity with the region, not necessarily that > he is there > all the time. Yes, but they're also selling him as a human being that people should feel comfortable with. > but I can't say as I've heard any variation in his anchoring from one > week to another. I think that's far more important to listeners > than whether > he's right there in the studio with his co-workers. A lack of variation houldn't be the goal, the goal should be to do a good job, which he can undoubtadly do anywhere. > >This starts to sound deceptive. Over the last year or two > This is show biz. Theatre of the mind and all that. Yeah, it sounds > hokey If you can't believe someone there's no point listening to them. Ultimately CC may not care because they can replace these shows if people stop listening for whatever reason. However, making up facts and actions and broadcasting it as true is against CC policy and violative of FCC regs. Never enforced of course, the citation's in the article. I can also see advertisers picking up on that and not being real happy, especially if he's voicing the ads. > Do you complain when you watch a movie and they use a stunt double? > That's just as "deceptive". No, because it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter in a movie because it doesn't pretend to be fact. Where comics use their own life it's pretty clear what's true or stretched a little and what's made up. > To say that GL > loses his cred > because he's occasionally away is needless nit-picking. As I've written, it's got nothing to do with whether or not he's away but whether it's a big secret or not. -Pete Enfield, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 19 11:22:18 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:23:34 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <000101c3de97$28ef8680$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <000901c3dea8$8cdd6f20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college and for many years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I believe that a side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very fine receiver by today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to the SR III in almost all respects on both AM and FM. I also have a Tivoli Audio Kloss Model One table radio. It's nowhere near as sensitive on AM as the SR III (and it cost about twice as much as the SR III), but I think some people would say that the tone (on AM or FM) is more pleasing than that of the SR III. Adding a Select-A-Tenna tunable passive loop brings the Model One's AM sensitivity up to (and in some cases, past) that of the SR III. I've had no luck augmenting the SR III's sensitivity with the Select-A-Tenna, however. I think the SR III has such a large ferrite loop that the Select-A-Tenna just can't improve on it. The SR III is large enough for it to have been built with a flat (untuned) passive loop of the type that the Zenith (and all other table radios) used before the invention of the ferrite loop. The SR III has terminals for connection of external AM and FM antennas and it would be interesting to salvage the loop antenna from an old tube radio such as the Zenith and connect it to the SR III. I wonder whether that would improve the SR III's already very respectable AM sensitivity. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill To: ; 'Scott Fybush' ; ; 'Kevin Vahey' Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:18 AM Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > Roger: > > WADR and wishing this didn't sound like an old-timer whining about > > the "Good Old Days" - BUT, these kinda things were extremely unlikey > > with tubes. Drift, maybe - but tubes kept things warm. > > > > ?Reboot? I don't think so. > > In the vein of oldtimer-sounding, I've rediscovered my 1951 Zenith table radio > (not valuable, tons still out there) with the metal pointer in the round center > dial, AM/FM. AM works much better. I can't get this clean, round sound in any > other radios. The Bose is tough to beat, however. Just clicking on the > power/volume knob, waiting about 30 seconds for the unit to start to deliver > audio, it seems emblematic of yet another example of how far we've come in our > "instant on" culture. > > Bill O'Neill > From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 19 12:02:27 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:03:00 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <000901c3dea8$8cdd6f20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > and for many > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > believe that a > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > fine receiver by > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > the SR III in > almost all respects on both AM and FM. That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of them. The other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but occasionally has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube theory ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for fun. I also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents at the Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker the size of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the smartie engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into some sort of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 mV/m it seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm not getting SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) market over the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), WBZ (1030), WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in 1921. I don't think so. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 19 12:56:06 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:56:31 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <001001c3deb5$8d8bc4a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Pre NARBA, WBZ was on 990, WEEI was on 590, WLAW was on 680, WHDH was on 830 (I believe), and WLLH was on 1370. That was just prior to March 1941. NARBA did not move most of the stations below 730. Dropping in the Mexican Class IA channel on 730 resulted in most stations between 730 and 780 moving up one notch. The next Mexican IA at 800 caused most stations between 790 and 890 to move up two notches. The third Mexican IA at 900 caused most stations from 900 to to move up three notches. There were four more Mexican IAs added--at 940, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Some channels, including 990, moved up four notches, but somewhere one channel must have been subtracted, because a whole bunch of regional channels in the 1200s, 1300s and 1400s moved up only 30 kcps (no kHz then). The New York area had regionals at 1250, 1300, 1350, 1400, and 1450. Most of the New York area stations on these frequencies were share-timers. Today, the equivalent stations are on 1280 (WADO), 1330 (WWRV), 1380 (WKDM), 1430 (WNSW), and 1480 (can't remember the current calls). The local channel at 1500 moved down one notch to 1490. WMEX moved from 1470 to 1510 and WJSV Washington moved from 1460 to 1500 and became WTOP. Those moves were four notches. Before NARBA, the "broadcast" band (there was no regularly licensed FM service, so there was no need to identify the standard broadcast band as the AM band) ran from 550 to 1500, with "experimental high-fidelity" stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570. NARBA did away with the hi-fi channels but extended the band to 1600. NARBA did not extend the band downward to 540. That happened later. Canada (and maybe Mexico) went down to 530 still later, but the US never went below 540, except for TISs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill O'Neill To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; ; 'Scott Fybush' ; ; 'Kevin Vahey' Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > > and for many > > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > > believe that a > > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > > fine receiver by > > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > > the SR III in > > almost all respects on both AM and FM. > > That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of them. The > other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but occasionally > has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube theory > ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for fun. I > also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents at the > Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker the size > of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the smartie > engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into some sort > of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 mV/m it > seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm not getting > SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) market over > the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), WBZ (1030), > WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in 1921. I > don't think so. > > Bill O'Neill > From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Jan 19 13:29:31 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:35:42 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <001001c3deb5$8d8bc4a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> Did all stations move on the same day ? How did they do it ? At 12:56 PM 1/19/04 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Pre NARBA, WBZ was on 990, WEEI was on 590, WLAW was on 680, WHDH was on 830 >(I believe), and WLLH was on 1370. That was just prior to March 1941. NARBA >did not move most of the stations below 730. Dropping in the Mexican Class >IA channel on 730 resulted in most stations between 730 and 780 moving up >one notch. The next Mexican IA at 800 caused most stations between 790 and >890 to move up two notches. The third Mexican IA at 900 caused most stations >from 900 to to move up three notches. There were four more >Mexican IAs added--at 940, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Some channels, including >990, moved up four notches, but somewhere one channel must have been >subtracted, because a whole bunch of regional channels in the 1200s, 1300s >and 1400s moved up only 30 kcps (no kHz then). The New York area had >regionals at 1250, 1300, 1350, 1400, and 1450. Most of the New York area >stations on these frequencies were share-timers. Today, the equivalent >stations are on 1280 (WADO), 1330 (WWRV), 1380 (WKDM), 1430 (WNSW), and 1480 >(can't remember the current calls). The local channel at 1500 moved down one >notch to 1490. >WMEX moved from 1470 to 1510 and WJSV Washington moved from 1460 to 1500 and >became WTOP. Those moves were four notches. Before NARBA, the "broadcast" >band (there was no regularly licensed FM service, so there was no need to >identify the standard broadcast band as the AM band) ran from 550 to 1500, >with "experimental high-fidelity" stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570. NARBA >did away with the hi-fi channels but extended the band to 1600. NARBA did >not extend the band downward to 540. That happened later. Canada (and maybe >Mexico) went down to 530 still later, but the US never went below 540, >except for TISs. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill O'Neill >To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; ; >'Scott Fybush' ; >; 'Kevin Vahey' > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:02 PM >Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > > > and for many > > > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > > > believe that a > > > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > > > fine receiver by > > > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > > > the SR III in > > > almost all respects on both AM and FM. > > > > That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of them. >The > > other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but >occasionally > > has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube >theory > > ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for >fun. I > > also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents at >the > > Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker the >size > > of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the >smartie > > engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into some >sort > > of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 >mV/m it > > seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm not >getting > > SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) market >over > > the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), WBZ >(1030), > > WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in 1921. >I > > don't think so. > > > > Bill O'Neill > > From nuhuc@juno.com Mon Jan 19 16:21:45 2004 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:24:03 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all Message-ID: <20040119.132231.9396.1950508@webmail01.lax.untd.com> -- "Bill O'Neill" wrote: >>also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents<< There were floor model radios made in 1921? Ya sure? Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 19 16:41:45 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:41:56 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <20040119.132231.9396.1950508@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <003701c3ded5$0988dab0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > -- "Bill O'Neill" wrote: > > >>also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my > grandparents<< > > There were floor model radios made in 1921? Ya sure? > > Rick Kelly > www.northeastairchecks.com Well, let's see, my grandparents were married in 1920 and my grandmother had said they bought it for their first anniversary. (Mind you, she passed away over ten years ago in her 90s, so, the details may have been a bit off.) Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 19 17:18:47 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:19:12 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> <4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <001101c3deda$3c313340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, all stations were SUPPOSED to move on March 29. I've heard that it took several weeks longer, but in New York. where I was a kid not quite six years old, it SEEMED as if all stations moved on that day. I suspect that in crowded areas like New York, everyone HAD to move at the same time to avoid chaos. In less populous areas, a simultaneous move was less imperative--unless stations that couldn't move just went dark until they were ready to move. I guess there were about 700 AMs then; a significant fraction were probably share timers. So if you count each group of share times as one station (even if they didn't share a transmitter site), there probably were well over 600 stations. Not many were directional. Retuning a DA wasn't something you could expect to get done overnight, especially in those days when the measuring equipment was more primative. I assme that all directional stations (except maybe WEAF, WBZ, WTAM, and WWL, which didn't have to protect anyone) had to proof their DAs at the new frequency. That was a job that could take weeks. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Bello To: Dan Strassberg ; Bill O'Neill Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > Did all stations move on the same day ? > > How did they do it ? > > > > At 12:56 PM 1/19/04 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: > >Pre NARBA, WBZ was on 990, WEEI was on 590, WLAW was on 680, WHDH was on 830 > >(I believe), and WLLH was on 1370. That was just prior to March 1941. NARBA > >did not move most of the stations below 730. Dropping in the Mexican Class > >IA channel on 730 resulted in most stations between 730 and 780 moving up > >one notch. The next Mexican IA at 800 caused most stations between 790 and > >890 to move up two notches. The third Mexican IA at 900 caused most stations > >from 900 to to move up three notches. There were four more > >Mexican IAs added--at 940, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Some channels, including > >990, moved up four notches, but somewhere one channel must have been > >subtracted, because a whole bunch of regional channels in the 1200s, 1300s > >and 1400s moved up only 30 kcps (no kHz then). The New York area had > >regionals at 1250, 1300, 1350, 1400, and 1450. Most of the New York area > >stations on these frequencies were share-timers. Today, the equivalent > >stations are on 1280 (WADO), 1330 (WWRV), 1380 (WKDM), 1430 (WNSW), and 1480 > >(can't remember the current calls). The local channel at 1500 moved down one > >notch to 1490. > >WMEX moved from 1470 to 1510 and WJSV Washington moved from 1460 to 1500 and > >became WTOP. Those moves were four notches. Before NARBA, the "broadcast" > >band (there was no regularly licensed FM service, so there was no need to > >identify the standard broadcast band as the AM band) ran from 550 to 1500, > >with "experimental high-fidelity" stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570. NARBA > >did away with the hi-fi channels but extended the band to 1600. NARBA did > >not extend the band downward to 540. That happened later. Canada (and maybe > >Mexico) went down to 530 still later, but the US never went below 540, > >except for TISs. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bill O'Neill > >To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; ; > >'Scott Fybush' ; > >; 'Kevin Vahey' > > > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:02 PM > >Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > > > > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > > > > and for many > > > > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > > > > believe that a > > > > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > > > > fine receiver by > > > > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > > > > the SR III in > > > > almost all respects on both AM and FM. > > > > > > That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of them. > >The > > > other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but > >occasionally > > > has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube > >theory > > > ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for > >fun. I > > > also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents at > >the > > > Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker the > >size > > > of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the > >smartie > > > engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into some > >sort > > > of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 > >mV/m it > > > seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm not > >getting > > > SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) market > >over > > > the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), WBZ > >(1030), > > > WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in 1921. > >I > > > don't think so. > > > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > > > From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 19 18:28:01 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Jan 19 18:22:30 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <001101c3deda$3c313340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> <4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040119175554.051c6650@gwind.pair.com> At 05:18 PM 1/19/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Well, all stations were SUPPOSED to move on March 29. I've heard that it >took several weeks longer, but in New York. where I was a kid not quite six >years old, it SEEMED as if all stations moved on that day. I suspect that in >crowded areas like New York, everyone HAD to move at the same time to avoid >chaos. In less populous areas, a simultaneous move was less >imperative--unless stations that couldn't move just went dark until they >were ready to move. That may have been true in daylight hours - but the FCC back then really did care about skywave interference at night. It's hard to imagine, for instance, that WSAY in Rochester would have been able to keep operating on its old graveyard channel of 1210 for even one night once Philadelphia's WCAU had moved to 1210 from 1170. I wasn't around then, of course, but from what I've read in contemporary newspaper accounts (with whatever level of accuracy they may or may not have had), the moves really did go off all at once in the overnight hours of March 28-29. I believe that was a weekend, which would have made it a little easier, and given the rarity of all-night operation in that era there would have been plenty of overnight periods BEFORE the "Big Switch" in which to test out the new crystals and tune up the antenna. Many stations of that era just kept using the old antenna without significant modification, even though the frequency shuffle meant that many of them ended up with towers that were slightly taller than quarter- or half-wave as a result. DAs were even rarer than Dan suggests; the first DA (WSUN-WDAE 620 in Tampa) was only nine years old at that point, and many of the stations on regional channels were still running ND and dropping power at night. (In Rochester, for instance, WHEC 1430/1460 was still 1kw ND-U; it wouldn't go 5 kw DA-N until 1947 when it built a new site.) Oh, and to answer the earlier question about which channel was "lost" in the gap between stations like KDKA 980, WBZ 990 and WHO 1000 moving up 40 kHz and the entire "regional/graveyard" spectrum moving up only 30 kHz, the answer is the Canadian clear channel on 1030. Here, from the Archives themselves, is how it played out: ? 540: new Canadian clear ? old 550-680: unchanged ? old 690: mostly unchanged, except CFRB to 860 ? old 700-730: unchanged ? 740: new Canadian clear ? old 740-780: moved up 10 kHz to 750-790 ? 800: new Canadian clear ? old 790-830: moved up 20 kHz to 810-850 ? 860: new Canadian clear ? old 850-870: moved up 20 kHz to 870-890 ? 900: new Canadian clear ? old 880-970: moved up 30 kHz to 910-1000 ? 1010: new Canadian clear ? old 980: KDKA to 1020 ? old 990: WBZ to 1030 ? old 1000: WHO to 1040 ? old 1010: KQW [KCBS] to 740 (but not right away) ? old 1020: KYW to 1060 ? old 1030: CFCN to 1010, CKLW to 800 ? old 1040: WTIC, KRLD, KWJJ all to 1080 ? old 1050: to 1070 ? old 1060: WBAL to 1090, WJAG to 1110 (later traded for 780 with KFAB) ? old 1070-1150: moved up 30 kHz to 1100-1180 ? old 1160: WOWO to 1190, WWVA to 1170 ? old 1170: WCAU [WGMP] to 1210 ? old 1180: KEX to 1190, KOB [KKOB] to 770, WDGY [KFAN] to 1130, WINS to 1010 ? old 1190: WOAI to 1200, WSAZ to 930, WATR to 1320 ? old 1200-1450: moved up 30 kHz to 1230-1480 ? old 1460: KSTP, WSJV [WTOP] to 1500 ? old 1470: KGA, WLAC, WMEX [WWZN] to 1510 ? old 1480: KOMA, WKBW [WWKB] to 1520 ? old 1490: KFBK, WCKY [WSAI] to 1530 ? old 1500: to 1490 ? old 1510: CFRC to 1490 ? old 1530: W1XBS to WBRY [WQQW;dark] 1590, W9XBY to KITE [dark] 1550 ? old 1550: W2XR to WQXR [WQEW] 1560, W6XAI to KPMC [KNZR] 1560 ? 1580: new Canadian clear That's from the article in the Archives at http://www.bostonradio.org/radio/narba.html; I realize in re-reading it that I left out two VERY confusing pieces of the NYC puzzle. WHN, which had been on 1010, moved to 1050, a Canadian/Mexican clear channel where it had the right by treaty to go to 50kW as long as it used a directional array to protect the borders. WHN upgraded from 5 to 50 kW in December of 1941. WINS moved from 1180 to 1000 on March 29, still as a daytimer but with 10 kW instead of 1 kW. "The Airwaves of New York" reports that the move caused intermod problems between WINS on 1000 in Carlstadt NJ (I believe that site is now under Giants Stadium, keeping Jimmy Hoffa company) and WHN on 1050 just half a mile away in East Rutherford. So WHN let WINS use the old WHN site in Astoria, Queens until it could get a new site built at the current WINS site in Lyndhurst. In 1943, WINS was allowed to go full-time and to move up the dial one notch to its present 1010, initially at 10 kW but eventually at 50 kW. As complex as THAT was, it had nothing on the 1100/1130 mess. Until 1940, WOV was a daytimer on 1130 with 1 kW, while sister station WBIL (earlier, WLWL) was on at night and on Friday and Sunday daytime on 1100 with 5 kW, sharing time with WPG in Atlantic City, which operated during the day on 1100 with 5 kW Monday-Thursday and Saturday. In 1938, Arde Bulova, who owned WOV and WBIL, bought WPG from the City of Atlantic City, and on January 3, 1940, WBIL, WPG and WOV were consolidated into a "new" WOV. The way "Airwaves" portrays the consolidation, the WBIL license was the one that survived, but - according to the book - it was moved to WOV's old 1130 frequency with 1 kW full-time and took the WOV call letters. I have my doubts about this, and my suspicion is that WOV in fact operated full-time from Jan. 1940 until Mar. 29, 1941 full-time at *1100*, which WAS authorized for fulltime use in New York City, unlike 1130, which was KSL's clear channel and had one other US occupant, WJJD Chicago, with 20,000 watts L-KSL. (The pre-NARBA 1130 channel went by the table method to 1160, and the New York area eventually got another station there in 1993, when WVNJ Oakland NJ signed on with 20 kW day/2500 W night.) In either case, WOV was definitely on 1130 as of 3/29/41 - but that didn't last long either, since on Dec. 1, 1941 WOV traded dial positions with WNEW, which was operating six days a week on 1280 (share-timer WHBI Newark NJ had Sundays). Thus was born WNEW 1130, which went from 1 kW to 10 kW in Jan. 1942 and then to 50 kW in 1949. WOV 1280 changed calls to WADO in 1959 and absorbed WHBI three years later, and itself finally went to 50 kW a few years ago. Whew! s From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Jan 19 20:52:53 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon Jan 19 20:59:44 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <001101c3deda$3c313340$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> <4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040119204428.01aca8d0@pop.gis.net> OK, WBZ & WWL are directional today. When were WTAM & WEAF ? >I assme that all directional >stations (except maybe WEAF, WBZ, WTAM, and WWL, which didn't have to >protect anyone) had to proof their DAs at the new frequency. That was a job >that could take weeks. > >-- >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net >eFax 707-215-6367 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron Bello >To: Dan Strassberg ; Bill O'Neill > >Cc: Boston Radio Interest >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:29 PM >Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > > Did all stations move on the same day ? > > > > How did they do it ? > > > > > > > > At 12:56 PM 1/19/04 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > >Pre NARBA, WBZ was on 990, WEEI was on 590, WLAW was on 680, WHDH was on >830 > > >(I believe), and WLLH was on 1370. That was just prior to March 1941. >NARBA > > >did not move most of the stations below 730. Dropping in the Mexican >Class > > >IA channel on 730 resulted in most stations between 730 and 780 moving up > > >one notch. The next Mexican IA at 800 caused most stations between 790 >and > > >890 to move up two notches. The third Mexican IA at 900 caused most >stations > > >from 900 to to move up three notches. There were four more > > >Mexican IAs added--at 940, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Some channels, including > > >990, moved up four notches, but somewhere one channel must have been > > >subtracted, because a whole bunch of regional channels in the 1200s, >1300s > > >and 1400s moved up only 30 kcps (no kHz then). The New York area had > > >regionals at 1250, 1300, 1350, 1400, and 1450. Most of the New York area > > >stations on these frequencies were share-timers. Today, the equivalent > > >stations are on 1280 (WADO), 1330 (WWRV), 1380 (WKDM), 1430 (WNSW), and >1480 > > >(can't remember the current calls). The local channel at 1500 moved down >one > > >notch to 1490. > > >WMEX moved from 1470 to 1510 and WJSV Washington moved from 1460 to 1500 >and > > >became WTOP. Those moves were four notches. Before NARBA, the "broadcast" > > >band (there was no regularly licensed FM service, so there was no need to > > >identify the standard broadcast band as the AM band) ran from 550 to >1500, > > >with "experimental high-fidelity" stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570. NARBA > > >did away with the hi-fi channels but extended the band to 1600. NARBA did > > >not extend the band downward to 540. That happened later. Canada (and >maybe > > >Mexico) went down to 530 still later, but the US never went below 540, > > >except for TISs. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Bill O'Neill > > >To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; ; > > >'Scott Fybush' ; > > >; 'Kevin Vahey' > > > > > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:02 PM > > >Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > > > > > > > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > > > > > and for many > > > > > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > > > > > believe that a > > > > > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > > > > > fine receiver by > > > > > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > > > > > the SR III in > > > > > almost all respects on both AM and FM. > > > > > > > > That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of >them. > > >The > > > > other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but > > >occasionally > > > > has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube > > >theory > > > > ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for > > >fun. I > > > > also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents >at > > >the > > > > Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker >the > > >size > > > > of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the > > >smartie > > > > engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into >some > > >sort > > > > of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 > > >mV/m it > > > > seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm >not > > >getting > > > > SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) >market > > >over > > > > the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), >WBZ > > >(1030), > > > > WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in >1921. > > >I > > > > don't think so. > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 19 21:37:42 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Jan 19 21:38:08 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill><4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> <4.3.1.2.20040119204428.01aca8d0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <001d01c3defe$699d93e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WEAF/WNBC/WRCA/WFAN was directional until the move to High Island. I'm not sure when that move took place but the date is available if you look for it. The transmitter was in Port Washignton LI, not far from Huntington on Long Island sound. It was a two-tower array that might have begun life as the pair of towers that supported a horizontal long-wire. The pattern was DA-1 and was quite loose. I heard it described as sending the equivalent of 25 kW to the east over Long Island and Connecticut and 75 kW to the west over New York City. Of course, such a pattern gave 660 better skywave coverage of the eastern US than that of New York's two other class IA stations (770 and 880). WOR, which was a IB always claimed to serve more population at night than any other US station, WOR's loose figure-eight DA-1 pattern came from a three-element array in Carteret NJ across the Kill Van Kull from Staten Island. The main lobes went across New York City toward Hartford and across New Jersey toward Philadelphia. WOR claimed to reach 36 million people in 18 states at night. I don't remember when WTAM/KYW/WKYC/WWWE gave up its DA. I've heard that it was a unquie Carl Smith design--a DA with only one tower. One tower yes, but two elements. The story is that the second "element" was a vertical wire dropped from one of the guy wires. The DA-1 pattern was very loose but was designed to reduce the energy wasted over lake Erie. I've heard stories that KOB Albuquerque (now KKOB) once had a night array of similar construction, but I don't know if that's really true. According to an old National Radio Club night pattern book, the efficiency of the 1100 antenna was extraordinarily high. Indeed, 1100's signal in these parts is not as good as it was before the change to ND. Smith had a lot of tricks up his sleeve and he was apparently fascinated by arrays that used elements of unequal height as this one would have had to do. KKOB's current night array uses two towers of unequal height, but I believe that they are conventional, base-insulated, guy-supported towers. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Bello To: Dan Strassberg ; Bill O'Neill Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > OK, WBZ & WWL are directional today. > When were WTAM & WEAF ? > > > >I assme that all directional > >stations (except maybe WEAF, WBZ, WTAM, and WWL, which didn't have to > >protect anyone) had to proof their DAs at the new frequency. That was a job > >that could take weeks. > > > >-- > >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > >eFax 707-215-6367 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Ron Bello > >To: Dan Strassberg ; Bill O'Neill > > > >Cc: Boston Radio Interest > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:29 PM > >Subject: Re: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > > > > > > Did all stations move on the same day ? > > > > > > How did they do it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:56 PM 1/19/04 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > >Pre NARBA, WBZ was on 990, WEEI was on 590, WLAW was on 680, WHDH was on > >830 > > > >(I believe), and WLLH was on 1370. That was just prior to March 1941. > >NARBA > > > >did not move most of the stations below 730. Dropping in the Mexican > >Class > > > >IA channel on 730 resulted in most stations between 730 and 780 moving up > > > >one notch. The next Mexican IA at 800 caused most stations between 790 > >and > > > >890 to move up two notches. The third Mexican IA at 900 caused most > >stations > > > >from 900 to to move up three notches. There were four more > > > >Mexican IAs added--at 940, 1050, 1220, and 1570. Some channels, including > > > >990, moved up four notches, but somewhere one channel must have been > > > >subtracted, because a whole bunch of regional channels in the 1200s, > >1300s > > > >and 1400s moved up only 30 kcps (no kHz then). The New York area had > > > >regionals at 1250, 1300, 1350, 1400, and 1450. Most of the New York area > > > >stations on these frequencies were share-timers. Today, the equivalent > > > >stations are on 1280 (WADO), 1330 (WWRV), 1380 (WKDM), 1430 (WNSW), and > >1480 > > > >(can't remember the current calls). The local channel at 1500 moved down > >one > > > >notch to 1490. > > > >WMEX moved from 1470 to 1510 and WJSV Washington moved from 1460 to 1500 > >and > > > >became WTOP. Those moves were four notches. Before NARBA, the "broadcast" > > > >band (there was no regularly licensed FM service, so there was no need to > > > >identify the standard broadcast band as the AM band) ran from 550 to > >1500, > > > >with "experimental high-fidelity" stations on 1530, 1550, and 1570. NARBA > > > >did away with the hi-fi channels but extended the band to 1600. NARBA did > > > >not extend the band downward to 540. That happened later. Canada (and > >maybe > > > >Mexico) went down to 530 still later, but the US never went below 540, > > > >except for TISs. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Bill O'Neill > > > >To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; ; > > > >'Scott Fybush' ; > > > >; 'Kevin Vahey' > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:02 PM > > > >Subject: RE: Its been nice knowing you all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one of those Zenith AM-FM radios when I was in college > > > > > > and for many > > > > > > years afterward. Both the AM and FM were excellent, and I > > > > > > believe that a > > > > > > side-by-side comparison with my GE Super Radio III (a very > > > > > > fine receiver by > > > > > > today's standards) would reveal the Zenith to be superior to > > > > > > the SR III in > > > > > > almost all respects on both AM and FM. > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an endorsement I'd not expected. I actually own two of > >them. > > > >The > > > > > other I picked up at a yard sale about 20 years ago. It works but > > > >occasionally > > > > > has an audio drop out and there's a very narrow bandwidth audio. Tube > > > >theory > > > > > ain't my bag, but I think I'll try to tinker with it sometime just for > > > >fun. I > > > > > also have a GE 1921 floor model radio purchased new by my grandparents > >at > > > >the > > > > > Bon Marche in Lowell that year. Broadcast Band, SW1, SW2. A speaker > >the > > > >size > > > > > of a satellite dish ;-) and decent sound. I pre-dates whatever the > > > >smartie > > > > > engineering types invented so as to bring close and far stations into > >some > > > >sort > > > > > of leveling. So, the locals are very loud and the distants (beyong .25 > > > >mV/m it > > > > > seems) need a big of a volume tweak. Not running a longwire, so I'm > >not > > > >getting > > > > > SW on it right now. It still has the station names (Boston/Lowell) > >market > > > >over > > > > > the five "auto" preselects. WBZ, WEEI (590), WLAW (680), WHDH (850), > >WBZ > > > >(1030), > > > > > WLLH (1400). I have to wonder if those were the dial positions in > >1921. > > > >I > > > > > don't think so. > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neill > > > > > > > > > > > > > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 00:20:26 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 20 00:20:34 2004 Subject: Hey! Vote for... Never Mind Message-ID: <20040120052026.68718.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> About an hour after Dick Gephardt dropped out of the Democratic sweepstakes, I saw an ad for him on WMUR-TV 9 (Manchester NH). Oops! Never mind :) (Obviously, the ad buy was placed in the hope that the candidate would be heading to New Hampshire the next day to start campaigning there, instead of heading home to Missouri.) Wonder how Lyndon LaRouche's paid half-hour on Ch. 4 tomorrow night will do in the ratings? I'm Bob Nelson, and I approved the preceding message. :) From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 00:30:45 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Tue Jan 20 00:31:00 2004 Subject: Hey! Vote for... Never Mind References: <20040120052026.68718.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101c3df16$8df27ea0$6400a8c0@tony> Hahahaha. I have been seeing that ad. It is a good one. I was leaning towards Gephardt too. I don't know what to do now. It's funny because I was watching CNN's Larry King and he asked Sen. Grassley who the Republicans wanted to face in the general election and he said any northeastern liberal. When asked who Republicans didn't want to face off against, he said Gephardt, because Bush was weak in the Midwest. The Democrats are so pathetic sometimes. As far as LaRouche, I believe he got about 0.5 percent out of the Caucus. Three percent in both Cherokee and Jefferson County. Also, Kucinch almost won Jefferson County with 29 percent. Dean got 31 percent and Kerry 20 percent. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:20 AM Subject: Hey! Vote for... Never Mind > About an hour after Dick Gephardt dropped out of the > Democratic sweepstakes, I saw an ad for him on > WMUR-TV 9 (Manchester NH). Oops! Never mind :) > (Obviously, the ad buy was placed in the hope that the > candidate would be heading to New Hampshire the > next day to start campaigning there, instead of > heading home to Missouri.) > > Wonder how Lyndon LaRouche's paid half-hour on > Ch. 4 tomorrow night will do in the ratings? > > I'm Bob Nelson, and I approved the preceding > message. :) From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 00:38:32 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 20 00:33:01 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <001d01c3defe$699d93e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001701c3deae$05285170$9f00a8c0@boneill> <4.3.1.2.20040119132831.01e479a0@pop.gis.net> <4.3.1.2.20040119204428.01aca8d0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120003101.05173620@gwind.pair.com> At 09:37 PM 1/19/2004 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: >WEAF/WNBC/WRCA/WFAN was directional until the move to High Island. I'm not >sure when that move took place but the date is available if you look for it. November 1963, just weeks before JFK. They were in Port Washington from 1940-1963, in Bellmore, L.I. from the thirties until 1940 and in Bound Brook NJ before that. I'm pretty sure Bellmore was a horizontal wire antenna. >The transmitter was in Port Washignton LI, not far from Huntington on Long >Island sound. It was a two-tower array that might have begun life as the >pair of towers that supported a horizontal long-wire. Nope - I'm certain that it was designed as a DA from the beginning. Fred Vobbe of the National Radio Club has (and has posted on the web somewhere, though I can't find it at present) the actual proofs that were done on the DA in 1940 as it was being readied for air. >I don't remember when WTAM/KYW/WKYC/WWWE gave up its DA. I've heard that it >was a unquie Carl Smith design--a DA with only one tower. One tower yes, but >two elements. The story is that the second "element" was a vertical wire >dropped from one of the guy wires. The DA-1 pattern was very loose but was >designed to reduce the energy wasted over lake Erie. I'm not sure on the dates, either, but I know who to ask and will do so. WTAM was in several different locations over the years, and its present site in Brecksville, where it's ND, is also the site it used in the forties and fifties before going to that unusual Carl Smith DA. The other unusual thing about that one was that it had (and still has) a TV antenna at the top of it - what was then WNBK and is now WKYC-TV 3. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the move back to Brecksville from the combo TV/AM site wasn't in the early seventies when the radio was sold off separately from the TV. Carl Smith's offices were and are at the base of the WTAM ND tower in Brecksville; it too eventually got a TV on top, WBNX channel 55 (and now has WAKS 96.5 Akron side-mounted on it, too.) I'm way overdue to do some Cleveland Tower Sites of the Week, and these would certainly be candidates! s From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 20 01:20:36 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 20 01:20:46 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts Message-ID: <007b01c3df1d$8586b770$9f00a8c0@boneill> That's the current subhead on DrudgeReport.com. Audio clip is there, but I have to warn you, it's....scary. Really. I actually heard it live tonight on radio. Once I got to see shots of Dean, coupled with that audio and, um, well, er, OH, WAITER! That high squeal at the end of the sound bite deserves a spot on everyone's sfx gallery. Gotta love politics. BTW, during Dean's "thing" the NPR host was ambling for a way to break into it and actually report other things. His feed eventually was potted down and normalcy resumed. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 20 01:53:42 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 20 01:53:59 2004 Subject: Hey! Vote for... Never Mind In-Reply-To: <20040120052026.68718.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040120052026.68718.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1074581624.B888E38@s5.dngr.org> The next 7 days will be "very interesting" From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 08:40:36 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Tue Jan 20 08:40:42 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts References: <007b01c3df1d$8586b770$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <003b01c3df5a$fc329550$6400a8c0@tony> Yeah, Dean seemed drunk last night, which is understandable given the stress of campaigns and the need to blow off steam. Doesn't anyone remember Bill Weld's 1994 victory, broadcast live, where he was slurring his words, and thanking Joe Perry and Steven Tyler for rockin' us all night? Oh course, Weld won. Dean didn't. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: Dean Goes Nuts > That's the current subhead on DrudgeReport.com. Audio clip is there, but I have > to warn you, it's....scary. Really. I actually heard it live tonight on radio. > Once I got to see shots of Dean, coupled with that audio and, um, well, er, OH, > WAITER! That high squeal at the end of the sound bite > deserves a spot on everyone's sfx gallery. > > Gotta love politics. BTW, during Dean's "thing" the NPR host was ambling for a > way to break into it and actually report other things. His feed eventually was > potted down and normalcy resumed. > > Bill O'Neill > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 09:53:57 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 20 09:54:27 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts In-Reply-To: <003b01c3df5a$fc329550$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <20040120145357.35253.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- tony schinella wrote: > Yeah, Dean seemed drunk last night, which is > understandable given the stress of campaigns and > the need to blow off steam. Doesn't anyone > remember Bill Weld's 1994 victory, broadcast live, > where he was slurring his words, and thanking Joe > Perry and Steven Tyler for rockin' us all night? > Oh course, Weld won. Dean didn't. Thought I remember it was _James Montgomery_ who had played that night. The cut (replayed a number of times on Howie Carr's show) had Weld saying something like, "But tonight my intentions are not political, they are MUSICAL! So let's enjoy the music of Jaaaaames Mon'gom'ry and ROCK OUT ALL NIGHT!" :) Who knows, Perry and Tyler may have played that night too. I don't know if Dean was drunk or not--he may have just been very enthusiastic (We Got Third Place! 18 Per Cent!). Sean Hannity plays a tape of him shouting "THANK YOU VERY MUCH! THANK YOU VERRY VERRY MUCH!" at some kind of event, in which he sounds slightly unhinged. Steven Tyler will be taking part in the pre-game festivities of Super Bowl XXXVIII. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Jan 20 15:07:28 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:07:31 2004 Subject: WCTD-FM Disco Message-ID: <001401c3df91$08307030$c3ec33d1@alvin> Has anyone else seen this from Boston.com? The Westerly-based radio station WCTD-FM, is bringing the music of the 1970s and '80s to the area 24-hours-a-day beginning Feb. 7. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 14:28:14 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:38:08 2004 Subject: MSNBC's Jerry Nachman has died Message-ID: <20040120192814.36492.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> MSNBC announced that Jerry Nachman, editor-in-chief and V.P. for the cable channel, has died of cancer at 57. Nachman's career spanned radio, TV, and print. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1061621/posts From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 16:06:57 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 20 16:01:25 2004 Subject: WCTD-FM Disco Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120160641.032eee50@gwind.pair.com> >At 03:07 PM 1/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Has anyone else seen this from Boston.com? >> >> The Westerly-based radio station WCTD-FM, is bringing the music of the >> 1970s and '80s to the area 24-hours-a-day beginning Feb. 7. > >Not that you can hear it in Westerly or anything...it's an LPFM based a >few miles up the road, run by the same guy who runs WBLQ 88.1 Westerly and >"WCTD" 1620, a part-15 AM operation in town. > >What's that you say - you can't own both an LPFM and a full-power license >like WBLQ? That's why WCTD-LP is licensed to the "Washington County >Chamber of Commerce" (an organization created just to apply for the >license), which is controlled not by WBLQ's owner himself but by his >father or uncle or something... > >s From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Jan 20 16:38:12 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Jan 20 16:38:25 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:20:36 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Boston Radio Interest \(E-mail\)" interest@bostonradio.org> >That's the current subhead on DrudgeReport.com. Audio clip is there, but I have >to warn you, it's....scary. Really. I actually heard it live tonight on radio. >Once I got to see shots of Dean, coupled with that audio and, um, well, er, OH, >WAITER! That high squeal at the end of the sound bite >deserves a spot on everyone's sfx gallery. > >Gotta love politics. BTW, during Dean's "thing" the >NPR host was ambling for a >way to break into it and actually report other things. His feed eventually was >potted down and normalcy resumed. > >Bill O'Neill > Not a good day to be named Dean. In other news, Jimmy Dean has been dropped as spokesman for Jimmy Dean(!) sausage by Sara Lee Corp. They used to say "you don't want to watch either sausage or laws being made"; politics and meat-packing evidently have more in common than people thought! "More Park Sausage mom, pleeeeease!" ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 20 17:22:25 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Jan 20 17:17:42 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts Message-ID: <200401201722.AA917635228@mail.ttlc.net> "Laurence Glavin" noted: >In other news, Jimmy Dean has been dropped as spokesman for Jimmy >>Dean(!) sausage by Sara Lee Corp. He doesn't "Test Well" From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Jan 20 17:43:54 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Jan 20 17:44:06 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:22:25 >From: "rogerkirk" >To: "Boston Radio Interest " interest@bostonradio.org>,, >"Laurence Glavin" noted: > >>In other news, Jimmy Dean has been dropped as spokesman for Jimmy >>>Dean(!) sausage by Sara Lee Corp. > >He doesn't "Test Well" > > He was deemed Q-less. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From patriotsrule417@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 16:12:54 2004 From: patriotsrule417@yahoo.com (Adam Rivers) Date: Tue Jan 20 18:30:54 2004 Subject: WKSS history Message-ID: <20040120211254.78705.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> I have a couple of questions about WKSS' history. 1. When did they flip to CHR? 2. Who was the first PD? Anyone that knows, help would be greatly appreciated. Adam ===== ---------------------------------------------------- http://adamskewlsite.freeservers.com/dx/ (DX website) AIM: XxPatsRule417xX __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 20 19:05:08 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Jan 20 19:05:13 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts References: <007b01c3df1d$8586b770$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <001001c3dfb2$3b69ad60$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Between Dean and Bill, I am working under the assumption that everyone living in Vermont is nuts. Must be all the cows. ;-) -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jan 20 20:26:00 2004 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Jan 20 20:16:57 2004 Subject: Its been nice knowing you all In-Reply-To: <000101c3de97$28ef8680$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: On 1/19/04 9:18 AM, "Bill O'Neill" wrote: > In the vein of oldtimer-sounding, I've rediscovered my 1951 Zenith table radio > (not valuable, tons still out there) with the metal pointer in the round > center dial, AM/FM. AM works much better. I can't get this clean, round sound > in any other radios. There's still one of those sitting in disrepair in my dad's basement. I don't know if my parents bought it new or used, but they acquired it sometime in the mid 50's, probably just before I was born. By the time I became more aware of radio in the 60's (as more than just something my parents listened to classical music on as a background), I realized that my parents were listening to that radio with reduced sensitivity, and only getting the strongest closest local stations on both AM and FM. I found that if I opened it up and wiggled some tubes around, the proper sensitivity that it was supposed to have, and all the weaker stations, would cut in and out. The tube sockets were all badly oxidized, tarnished, grungy, intermittent, etc... When I could wiggle the tubes into a position that would work properly, the reception on both AM and FM was excellent! The fidelity was quite good for a table radio as well, I'd say that when working properly it equaled the KLH FM mono table/bookshelf radios that were popular then. However, no matter what I did to attempt clean the tube sockets, they would not stay clean for long. I could only get the full sensitivity from the radio for a few hours to a few days before having to open it and wiggle tubes around again. It eventually was dropped and the circuit board cracked, and that was that. My dad also has a DeWald AM/FM table radio from the late 40's. This was one of the earlier FM receivers on the market. Though this one technically didn't have anything wrong with it, the FM tuner was primitive and never much good for any stations not immediately local and powerful. I think this one still works. Eli Polonsky From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 21:44:27 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Tue Jan 20 21:44:45 2004 Subject: MSNBC's Jerry Nachman has died References: <20040120192814.36492.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005401c3dfc8$7cced990$6400a8c0@tony> Yeah, so sad. I really liked his show. I think I was one of the only viewers though. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: MSNBC's Jerry Nachman has died > MSNBC announced that Jerry Nachman, editor-in-chief > and V.P. for the cable channel, has died of cancer > at 57. Nachman's career spanned radio, TV, and print. > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1061621/posts > > From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 20 22:26:53 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 20 22:26:56 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations Message-ID: <000301c3dfce$6a32b170$59464742@Sean> Weren't the Boston Infinity stations, save for WBZ, supposed to move to the Channel 38 building on Birmingham Parkway? And wasn't Channel 38 supposed to move to 1170 SFR? I hadn't heard anything on this in a while. What's the status of this? Is it dead in the water? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 20 22:29:34 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue Jan 20 22:31:13 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <000301c3dfce$6a32b170$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <003201c3dfce$cc182fa0$6400a8c0@AMD> I believe Channel 38 is completely out of Birmingham Pkwy. I got a tour of Oldies 103.3's studios there about a year ago, and there was no evidence of 38 being there at all, except for the sign on the STL tower outside (I'm not sure if that's still there). Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sean Smyth Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:27 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations Weren't the Boston Infinity stations, save for WBZ, supposed to move to the Channel 38 building on Birmingham Parkway? And wasn't Channel 38 supposed to move to 1170 SFR? I hadn't heard anything on this in a while. What's the status of this? Is it dead in the water? From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 20 22:55:11 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 20 22:49:40 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <003201c3dfce$cc182fa0$6400a8c0@AMD> References: <000301c3dfce$6a32b170$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120225154.03335520@gwind.pair.com> At 10:29 PM 1/20/2004 -0500, Jeff Lehmann wrote: >I believe Channel 38 is completely out of Birmingham Pkwy. I got a tour >of Oldies 103.3's studios there about a year ago, and there was no >evidence of 38 being there at all, except for the sign on the STL tower >outside (I'm not sure if that's still there). 38 moved to 1170 SFR at least two years ago now; master control there now operates WBZ-TV/DT, WSBK-TV/DT and WLWC-TV. (And yes, there are three monitors in the lobby...probably the only place in the 617 area code where you can sit and watch channel 28 :-) WODS moved over to Leo Birmingham about the same time, clearing out of the two little studios it had occupied in the front of the building for maybe five years, tops. (I can date their move from 30 Winter Street to 1170 SFR pretty accurately as having taken place a few months after I left 1170 SFR in January 1997.) I remember some talk of moving WBCN and WZLX over there as well (WBMX apparently has a long-term lease at 1200 SFR, and of course WBZ isn't going anywhere), but it seems to have come to naught. s From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 21 00:20:10 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Jan 21 00:20:14 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts In-Reply-To: <007b01c3df1d$8586b770$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <400DC5BA.4782.52100C@localhost> On 20 Jan 2004 at 1:20, Bill O'Neill wrote: > That's the current subhead on DrudgeReport.com. Audio clip is there, but > I have to warn you, it's....scary. Really. I actually heard it live > tonight on radio. Once I got to see shots of Dean, coupled with that audio > and, um, well, er, OH, WAITER! That high squeal > at the end of the sound bite deserves a spot on everyone's sfx gallery. I heard that last night on the BBC world service and was really amazed! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 03:07:19 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Jan 21 03:07:28 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts In-Reply-To: <00a201c3dfc9$598e3ba0$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <20040121080719.76315.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> --- tony schinella wrote: > I know Steven Tyler and Joe Perry were there. I > don't know if James Montgomery was there or not. Maybe they were all there; of course, are we talking the 1994 inaugural or _election night party_? Or the election night celebration or inaugural from '90? I think Montgomery may have been at the '94 (early '95) _inaugural_... From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Jan 21 07:30:44 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Jan 21 07:29:22 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120225154.03335520@gwind.pair.com> References: <003201c3dfce$cc182fa0$6400a8c0@AMD> <000301c3dfce$6a32b170$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121072844.009fd470@pop3.bit-net.com> Scott Fybush wrote: >I remember some talk of moving WBCN and WZLX over there as well (WBMX >apparently has a long-term lease at 1200 SFR, and of course WBZ isn't >going anywhere), but it seems to have come to naught. Any particular reason why WBZ and 1170 SFR are forever linked? From billo@shoreham.net Wed Jan 21 10:28:37 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:28:53 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts In-Reply-To: <001001c3dfb2$3b69ad60$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <001401c3e033$3e343a70$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Between Dean and Bill, I am working under the assumption that everyone > living in Vermont is nuts. > > Must be all the cows. > > ;-) > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine ...please make a note of Mr. Billings' dateline. Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 21 12:13:03 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:07:31 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121072844.009fd470@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120225154.03335520@gwind.pair.com> <003201c3dfce$cc182fa0$6400a8c0@AMD> <000301c3dfce$6a32b170$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121120852.02cba768@gwind.pair.com> At 07:30 AM 1/21/2004 -0500, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Scott Fybush wrote: >>I remember some talk of moving WBCN and WZLX over there as well (WBMX >>apparently has a long-term lease at 1200 SFR, and of course WBZ isn't >>going anywhere), but it seems to have come to naught. > >Any particular reason why WBZ and 1170 SFR are forever linked? 56 years of history and an aux transmitter, for one thing - but more to the point these days, WBZ radio and WBZ-TV operate from a common newsroom in the back of the building. When you see a reporter or anchor on channel 4 sitting at the "newsroom" desk, that's actually a platform with a desk and a camera right in the middle of the radio news workstations, just behind the radio editors' desks and facing the radio studios along one wall of the room. As long as 1030 is all-news and co-owned with channel 4, it would make no sense to move its operations elsewhere - programming and engineering, anyway; I suppose sales and promotions could move elsewhere without much effect. (The combined newsroom is actually a recent development - we made that move in 1996, and before that we were way over on the other side of the building from TV, with a long twisty path of corridors to follow to get from the radio newsroom to the cramped old TV newsroom. If I had occasion to go over to TV twice a month in the old days, it was a lot.) s From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed Jan 21 12:42:29 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:42:38 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121120852.02cba768@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <001101c3e045$f44b32c0$59464742@Sean> Scott wrote: << 56 years of history and an aux transmitter, for one thing - but more to the point these days, WBZ radio and WBZ-TV operate from a common newsroom in the back of the building. When you see a reporter or anchor on channel 4 sitting at the "newsroom" desk, that's actually a platform with a desk and a camera right in the middle of the radio news workstations, just behind the radio editors' desks and facing the radio studios along one wall of the room. As long as 1030 is all-news and co-owned with channel 4, it would make no sense to move its operations elsewhere - programming and engineering, anyway; I suppose sales and promotions could move elsewhere without much effect. >> Didn't Ed Goldman make a stink a couple years ago about not working with the radio side after Natalie Jacobson was allowed to fill in for Brudnoy one night? What ever became of that? << (The combined newsroom is actually a recent development - we made that move in 1996, and before that we were way over on the other side of the building from TV, with a long twisty path of corridors to follow to get from the radio newsroom to the cramped old TV newsroom. If I had occasion to go over to TV twice a month in the old days, it was a lot.) >> I remember spending some Saturday afternoons hanging around the old haunt and I can tell you first-hand it was a confusing place to find your way around. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Jan 21 12:44:25 2004 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:43:06 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121120852.02cba768@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <000001c3e046$36af5a60$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Scott wrote: >>(snip)As long as 1030 is all-news and co-owned with channel 4, it would make no sense to move its operations elsewhere - programming and engineering, anyway; I suppose sales and promotions could move elsewhere without much effect. (snip)<< Not even Florida? (duckin' & grinnin') --Chuck (I couldn't resist) Igo From ssmyth@psu.edu Wed Jan 21 16:17:10 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed Jan 21 16:17:11 2004 Subject: More Nassau in New Hampsha Message-ID: <001801c3e063$ee72a220$59464742@Sean> All Access is reporting today that Nassau has bought Sconnix' WBHG (101.5) Meredith, WEMA Laconia and WLNH Laconia. From engineer@the-spa.com Wed Jan 21 20:37:13 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Wed Jan 21 20:37:18 2004 Subject: WVBF Middleboro requests power increase Message-ID: WVBF 1530 in "Middleborough Center"., currently operates (according to the FCC record) at 1kW Daytime, 2 watts Nighttime. According to today's FCC daily digest WVBF has applied to increase the power to 2.2kW Daytime, 2watts nighttime, 940 watts critical hours. The other change is the Electrical Height in Degrees has increased from 53.30 to 89.60. I don't know what that exactly means, if it indicates the tower is being increased in height. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 21 22:03:19 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed Jan 21 22:27:53 2004 Subject: WVBF Middleboro requests power increase References: Message-ID: <001801c3e097$b07be920$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Yes. The current tower is under 100'; the new one will be about 160'. The new tower will be more efficient. The 2.2 kW non-CH day power is equivalent to more than 2.5 kW from the old tower. The 940W CH power will produce ever so slightly more coverage than the 1 kW D power from the shorter tower. The night coverage, if any, will be slightly impoved (the RMS field goes from 12.61 mV/m @ 1 km to slightly more than 13 mV/m). Whoopee! ----- Original Message ----- From: Fitzpatrick, Mike To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: WVBF Middleboro requests power increase > WVBF 1530 in "Middleborough Center"., currently operates (according to the > FCC record) at 1kW Daytime, 2 watts Nighttime. According to today's FCC > daily digest WVBF has applied to increase the power to 2.2kW Daytime, 2watts > nighttime, 940 watts critical hours. The other change is the Electrical > Height in Degrees has increased from 53.30 to 89.60. I don't know what that > exactly means, if it indicates the tower is being increased in height. > > --Mike Fitzpatrick. > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 22 00:40:45 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Jan 22 00:40:57 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040121072844.009fd470@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040120225154.03335520@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <400F1C0D.27946.B41C06@localhost> On 21 Jan 2004 at 7:30, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Any particular reason why WBZ and 1170 SFR are forever linked? Somehow it seems to me that WBZ should either be at 1170 on the AM dial or at 1030 Soldiers Field Road. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:20:55 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Jan 22 10:21:19 2004 Subject: Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock Message-ID: <1074784859.3083BA68@w37.dngr.org> The Globe on Jan 22 has a profile on WAAF and WEEI GM Julie Kahn who is now in charge of 2 stations that go after a male demographic http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/01/22/as_gm_her_job_is_to_pump_up_sports_talk_and_hard_rock/ From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 22 16:35:31 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:35:56 2004 Subject: Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:20:55 >From: Kevin Vahey >To: Boston Radio Mailing List >The Globe on Jan 22 has a profile on WAAF and WEEI GM Julie Kahn who is >now in charge of 2 stations that go after a male demographic > > That Clea is really on top of things! The W-H-RB Orgy(tm) period has been in effect for weeks. Next week she will probably discuss the "new" co-host replacing Ozone on WRKO. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 22 16:40:31 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:40:57 2004 Subject: Dean Goes Nuts Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:05:08 >From: "Dan Billings" >To: ,"Boston Radio Interest \(E->mail\)" >Between Dean and Bill, I am working under the assumption that everyone >living in Vermont is nuts. > >Must be all the cows. > >;-) > >-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > > Don't forget slip-slidin' Jim Jeffords(sp?); Patrick Leahy, who wanted Lake Champlain to be granted "Great Lake" status; and Socialist Bernie Sanders, who meets with the Democrat Party caucus, even though he's technically an "Independent". Laurence Glavin (Denizen of Massachusetts, where all of our solons are level-headed and grounded in reality) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Jan 22 16:50:54 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:51:10 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:42:29 >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: "'Scott Fybush'" ,interest@bostonradio.org> > >I remember spending some Saturday afternoons hanging around the old >haunt and I can tell you first-hand it was a confusing place to find >your way around. > > You should try co-hosting "Let's Talk About Radio" at the sumptuous studios of WJIB-AM in Cambridge, then asking how to get to the bathroom. You will be handed a MAP...not directions, but a MAP (maybe in the future a Blackberry with GPS). (I swear I saw the ghost of Billy Dale.) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 22 17:05:16 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Jan 22 16:59:43 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040122170454.02d1c140@gwind.pair.com> At 04:50 PM 1/22/2004 -0500, Laurence Glavin wrote: >You should try co-hosting "Let's Talk About Radio" at >the sumptuous studios of WJIB-AM in Cambridge, then >asking how to get to the bathroom. You will be handed a >MAP...not directions, but a MAP (maybe in the future a Blackberry with GPS). >(I swear I saw the ghost of Billy Dale.) Been there, done that, got locked in, set off the alarm :-) s From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Jan 22 17:21:44 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Jan 22 17:16:33 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations Message-ID: <200401221721.AA1379991688@mail.ttlc.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: >>...try co-hosting "Let's Talk About Radio" at >>the sumptuous studios of WJIB-AM in Cambridge, then >>asking how to get to the bathroom. You will be handed a >>MAP...not directions, but a MAP Scott Fybush replied: >Been there, done that, got locked in, set off the alarm :-) Back in '66, WORL in the Salada Tea building. Elevator stopped between floors one night late. No call box. Had to pry both doors open and jump out the bottom opening without falling back into the shaft. From pjwiggs@msn.com Thu Jan 22 17:23:16 2004 From: pjwiggs@msn.com (Peter Wiggins) Date: Thu Jan 22 17:23:23 2004 Subject: WGBH/WGBX sign-on and sign-off question Message-ID: Questions about the WGBH and WGBX sign-ons and sign-offs 1. When did they introduce the sundown to the sign-on and sign-offs of Channel 2 and 44. 2. When did they introduce the zoom-in logo "2" and "44" to the sign-on Can you give the me the list of sign-ons and sign-offs of Channel 2 and 44 over the years. _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 22 17:27:11 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Jan 22 17:27:36 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations References: Message-ID: <003501c3e136$e8324cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Wow! Billy Dale. THERE's a name from the past! I think that another WTAO DJ was Ed Penny (not to be confused with Ed Perry of WATD). Can anyone name the whole lineup? Later on, I think during a brief period when the station was officially WXHR (AM)--I know, Scott; the (AM) part wasn't official, there was an AM-drive guy named Patrick Downing or Downey. Great radio voice and manner. But that was MUCH later. And once while I was a grad student at MIT (which would make it between June '56 and June '58), I visited the WTAO studios while Len Libman was DJing on a weekend morning. Len was better known for his work doing news in AM drive at WORL 950 while he was a BU student. He also worked at the old New WMEX as Michael J Rhodes Jr, and was best known as Len Lawrence at the old WEEI 590. He worked there for many years. I think he and his wife were parents of twins. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Glavin To: 'Scott Fybush' ; ; Sean Smyth Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: Infinity radio stations/studio locations > >DATE: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:42:29 > >From: "Sean Smyth" > >To: "'Scott Fybush'" ,interest@bostonradio.org> > > > > >I remember spending some Saturday afternoons hanging around the old > >haunt and I can tell you first-hand it was a confusing place to find > >your way around. > > > > > You should try co-hosting "Let's Talk About Radio" at > the sumptuous studios of WJIB-AM in Cambridge, then > asking how to get to the bathroom. You will be handed a > MAP...not directions, but a MAP (maybe in the future a Blackberry with GPS). > (I swear I saw the ghost of Billy Dale.) > > Laurence Glavin > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 22 18:03:25 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:03:28 2004 Subject: Infinity radio stations/studio locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c3e13b$f1714c00$59464742@Sean> Laurence writes: << You should try co-hosting "Let's Talk About Radio" at the sumptuous studios of WJIB-AM in Cambridge, then asking how to get to the bathroom. You will be handed a MAP...not directions, but a MAP (maybe in the future a Blackberry with GPS). (I swear I saw the ghost of Billy Dale.) >> I was such a pro at the bathroom navigation trick on Concord Avenue that I didn't need a map. :-) Heck, Bob didn't even have them when I first started my show there, that shows my age (I guess). On the one or two occasions I had a guest in-studio showing them the bathroom (past Storage Locker No. 237,378 on the left, I believe) was the highlight of the trip. From oldradio@earthlink.net Thu Jan 22 18:17:48 2004 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:17:56 2004 Subject: WTAO References: <003501c3e136$e8324cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000b01c3e13d$f4be4230$4720bb3f@S0031698896> << Wow! Billy Dale. THERE's a name from the past! I think that another WTAO DJ > was Ed Penny (not to be confused with Ed Perry of WATD). Can anyone name the > whole lineup?>>> Sure, "Dunkin Donuts with Dale" the Billy Dale morning show on daytimer, WTAO 740AM. There was Art Tacker and "Music With Art", Ed Penney's "Penney Senerade" and Ken Wayne on weekends. Maybe there were others in 1950-51-52 when I was growing up in Boston and visiting radio studios (also chasing their radio towers!!) <<< ...visited the WTAO studios while Len Libman was DJing on > a weekend morning. Len was better known for his work doing news in AM drive > at WORL 950 while he was a BU student.>>> Wasn't it Len "Zola" who did the shift on weekends at WTAO? And...don't forget Boston's first UHF television station, Channel 56 WTAO-TV from high atop Mt-Zion in Woburn (that 400-foot high mound) the b/w shows, the nightly movie, some Dumont network shows and football games on kinescope, the UHF adaptor, the bow-tie antenna for your tv set's reception. Now, who remembers the deejay lineup at WORL 950AM broadcasting from their new studios at 90 State Street downtown? Bob Swan and "The Swan Boat Show" in the morning, Norm Prescott ("Hello, You..."), Alan Dary's "Dary-Go-Round" and others. (I'm still looking for an aircheck of Norm's show opening with his theme song "Come One Come All..." a big band chart by Tommy Tucker and a vocal group singing lyrics. Please contact me offlist if you can direct me to a source. Thanks.) Russ oldradio@earthlink.net From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 01:13:32 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Jan 23 01:24:33 2004 Subject: Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock References: Message-ID: <012d01c3e178$94bdd5e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > That Clea is really on top of things! Maybe someone should invite Clea to become a member of this list! She could learn a lot about her beat! ;-) JP From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 23 03:40:28 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri Jan 23 03:41:12 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040123033956.02510b08@pop.registeredsite.com> >it was said-- >Maybe someone should invite Clea to become a member of this list! > >She could learn a lot about her beat! ;-) In fairness to Clea, I know her and she's a very sweet person, but radio was never her beat until Susan B got moved over to covering women's sports. I am not trying to make excuses for Clea, but her problem has more to do with the Globe than with not caring about or not knowing about her beat. Clea is only a part-time writer for the Globe and while in years past the media columnists were all full-time, to save money, the Globe cut back on radio columns and cut back on the person who writes them. Since she is only asked to write these columns on a sporadic basis, and since there isn't a lot of commitment from the Globe to make it a regular beat, she has difficulty keeping up with it. On the other hand, why not drop Clea a note and make your corrections-- she won't mind, I assure you. I think that Dean Johnson, who is a full-time reporter at the Herald, has a much easier time keeping up with the latest radio news-- it's tough to be plugged into the local scene when you are doing occasional articles from home and are usually restricted to 800 words... From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 23 05:47:43 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Jan 23 06:14:43 2004 Subject: WTAO References: <003501c3e136$e8324cc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <000b01c3e13d$f4be4230$4720bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <002701c3e1a2$13c78420$19eefea9@dstrassberg> For all I know, Len Zola did weekends at WTAO, but for sure, the Len who was working the morning I was there was Len Libman. I was brought to WTAO at 439 Concord Ave (same place is now 443) by an MIT acquaintance, Jason Fox, who had been a high school classmate of Libman's. As for your remembrance of WORL at 90 State St in the early 50s, that must have been before my time. I arrived in Boston in June '56 and WORL then had its studios on Beacon St in Kenmore Sq--in a building that was later taken by the Commonwealth when the Mass Turnpike Extension was built. The number 719 Beacon St sticks in my mind, but someone on this list once pointed out to me that my recollection of the street number had to be wrong. Still, I'm quite sure that the number was in the 700s. When the building disappeared, the station (which by then might have been WRYT or even WROL) moved to (I think) 330 Stuart St. (Was that the Salada Tea Building?) By the time I arrived in Boston, Norm Prescott had left WORL for WBZ, which had just flipped to a music-and-news format. A minute ago, I almost remembered the name of the guy who did AM drive on WORL. He had an Irish surname, but I can't think of it. (Finally thought of it--Gregg Finn.) Others in the lineup were Norm Tulin (who was later on 1050 in New York as Norm Stevens), Stan Richards, and Dave Maynard. (Maynard did not depart WORL for WBZ until maybe a year after I arrived in Boston.) During the summer months when the daytimer's broadcast day extended past 6:00 PM, Len Libman did a music show from 6:00 PM to signoff. As a class III-D station, WORL could sign on year-round at 5:00 AM local time. (They COULD have signed on at 4:00 AM when Daylight Savings Time was not in effect.) If I recall, however, the station didn't sign on until 6:00 AM. And at either 6:15 or 6:30, they interrupted the music format for 15 minutes for a broadcast of the Rosary recited by the Cardinal directly from his residence in Brighton. (Or was it on tape?) Many years later, when what by then must have been WROL dropped the daily Rosary, the broadcast moved tio WPLM-FM, which may still carry it. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: RBB To: Dan Strassberg ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: WTAO > Wasn't it Len "Zola" who did the shift on weekends at WTAO? And...don't > forget Boston's first UHF television station, Channel 56 WTAO-TV from high > atop Mt-Zion in Woburn (that 400-foot high mound) the b/w shows, the nightly > movie, some Dumont network shows and football games on kinescope, the UHF > adaptor, the bow-tie antenna for your tv set's reception. From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Jan 23 08:19:39 2004 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Fri Jan 23 08:20:01 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040123033956.02510b08@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <001301c3e1b3$8ea15840$6400a8c0@tony> I interviewed Clea about her book on cats, I think it was called "Feline Mystique" or something, it is slipping me at the moment. However, we talked a short bit about her radio pieces and I nicely told her that she was often inaccurate and off-base. She explained to me exactly what Donna has written below - that she writes on an occasional, freelance basis and not full-time. This is no excuse for inaccuracy but it might give some people some understanding as to why she may miss call letters or something. I believe that I did suggest that she subscribe to the list so she would know what was going on but I don't think she did. Being a newspaper editor, it is very important to be accurate - whether you know the topic discussed or not - but she does try and is a good writer otherwise. After the interview, she touched base with me to thank me for the story, and then pointed out that I made a small mistake about some feline mystical figure. :-) Of course, not knowing a damn thing about cat figures from the B.C. era ... She also does book reviews, which is her bread and butter, and I only found that out when she was interviewed on "The Exchange" on NHPR about her fave books of the year. When Drugless Douglas from WMFO left the station in the fall after 15 years of doing air there, she did a great story on it. I didn't even think to call her to let her know that I was leaving the station after 10 years at the beginning of the summer but I am sure she would have written a story about it had I let her know. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:40 AM Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock > > >it was said-- > >Maybe someone should invite Clea to become a member of this list! > > > >She could learn a lot about her beat! ;-) > > In fairness to Clea, I know her and she's a very sweet person, but radio > was never her beat until Susan B got moved over to covering women's > sports. I am not trying to make excuses for Clea, but her problem has > more to do with the Globe than with not caring about or not knowing about > her beat. Clea is only a part-time writer for the Globe and while in years > past the media columnists were all full-time, to save money, the Globe cut > back on radio columns and cut back on the person who writes them. Since > she is only asked to write these columns on a sporadic basis, and since > there isn't a lot of commitment from the Globe to make it a regular beat, > she has difficulty keeping up with it. On the other hand, why not drop > Clea a note and make your corrections-- she won't mind, I assure you. I > think that Dean Johnson, who is a full-time reporter at the Herald, has a > much easier time keeping up with the latest radio news-- it's tough to be > plugged into the local scene when you are doing occasional articles from > home and are usually restricted to 800 words... > > From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Jan 23 08:56:24 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Jan 23 08:56:40 2004 Subject: WWZN still stands Message-ID: <1074866188.6557FBE@r31.dngr.org> The president of Sporting News Radio Chris Brennan came to Boston this week and made some changes but station still lives. New GM is Mike Winn who was sales manager and cohost of afternoon drive. Eddie Andleman has signed an extension. Station wil stay local Noon to 7 and for Celtics games. From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Jan 23 11:55:33 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:55:37 2004 Subject: WWZN still stands In-Reply-To: <1074866188.6557FBE@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000b01c3e1d1$b7a11eb0$59464742@Sean> Kevin writes: << The president of Sporting News Radio Chris Brennan came to Boston this week and made some changes but station still lives. New GM is Mike Winn who was sales manager and cohost of afternoon drive. Eddie Andleman has signed an extension. Station wil stay local Noon to 7 and for Celtics games. >> They will still never do anything without a local AM drive show with half-decent talent. I like The Diehards and I think the show can succeed if given a chance. I actually thought Winn was the weak-link of the show; maybe having him off-air and putting Kevyn Winter in with Rusillo and Pepe on a regular basis will make the show even better. Was Mike Kellogg pushed off the pier or did he jump? From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Jan 23 11:59:51 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:59:54 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <001301c3e1b3$8ea15840$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <000c01c3e1d2$510268c0$59464742@Sean> Tony writes: << She explained to me exactly what Donna has written below - that she writes on an occasional, freelance basis and not full-time. This is no excuse for inaccuracy but it might give some people some understanding as to why she may miss call letters or something. I believe that I did suggest that she subscribe to the list so she would know what was going on but I don't think she did. Being a newspaper editor, it is very important to be accurate - whether you know the topic discussed or not - but she does try and is a good writer otherwise. >> I'm surprised to hear this coming from, of all people, you Tony. There is no excuse for Clea screwing up a frequency. Unlike the medical industry, which has a lot of jargon that might take years to explain to the average person, you can simply flip on your radio and realize you're on the wrong spot on the dial! And the fact she's a stringer shouldn't warrant any excuse, either. Having been a news reporter at daily and weekly newspapers I covered a myriad of beats at once and always asked the extra question to make sure we had the right info. That being said, I also agree that being a part-timer hampers the radio coverage somewhat. But Dean Johnson is not a full-time media reporter; he also covers other forms of entertainment (he's a reviewer as well). Yet he seems to do a manageable job of covering the beat. From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Jan 23 13:43:06 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Jan 23 13:43:10 2004 Subject: Captain Kangaroo dies Message-ID: <001001c3e1e0$bdf1f320$59464742@Sean> A strip at the top of CNN.com mentions Bob Keeshan passed away this morning in Vermont. From tklaundry@juno.com Fri Jan 23 17:20:14 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:19:34 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan Message-ID: <20040123.172015.-754849.0.tklaundry@juno.com> I had the honor of interviewing Bob Keeshan a few years ago, I have never been star struck in all my years of interviewing people, including a number of very big names, but The Captain was part of my childhood and I was almost giddy when I met him. Mr Keeshan was an amazing man. He told me a story of when he first became The Captain he was in his mid to late 20's and had a young family. He would do personal appearances at various places, supermarkets etc. One appearance he brought his kids, he left his kids with the Supermarket manager and went into the men's room to turn into The Captain. His kids at that point did not know that their dad was Captain Kangaroo! When he came out he did his thing and spoke to all the children there, including his kids calling them by name. After the event ended he went back into the men's room and changed back into Bob, came out and his kids came running up to him saying Dad Dad, Captain Kangaroo was here and he knew our names!! Another great man is gone, I will miss him. Dave Faneuf From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 11:52:15 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:23:22 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040123033956.02510b08@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <20040123165215.82427.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Donna Halper wrote: > Since > she is only asked to write these columns on a > sporadic basis, and since > there isn't a lot of commitment from the Globe to > make it a regular beat, > she has difficulty keeping up with it. OK, understood! I also know about the various cutbacks the Globe has had to make over the years, which is why, for example, Paul Szep was let go (he turns up sometimes doing cartoons for the Herald these days). On the other > hand, why not drop > Clea a note and make your corrections-- she won't > mind, I assure you. How about if some of us email her and ask her, or whomever's in charge of the TV Week radio listings, to please note that WBOQ is not classical, and has not been since 2000! :) I will, for one. By the way, I don't usually listen to him, but I know Jay Severin of WTKK has taken more than a few potshots at Clea as well as at Dan Kennedy of the Boston Phoenix for articles they've written on him. Jay took exception to a Simon column about him with started, "Jay Severin isn't a racist, he says". Kennedy, by the way, is part of a regular feature called "Mess with the Press", I believe, which runs Fridays at 9 am on Pat Whitley's show (WRKO). (As I work nights, I slept till 11 am this morning so I missed it, drat... :) ) Wonder if Simon (or the Herald's Dean Johnson) might be an interesting guest on "Let's Talk About Radio"? From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Jan 23 17:42:06 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:42:32 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump upsports talk and hard rock Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:40:28 >From: Donna Halper >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Since >she is only asked to write these columns on a >sporadic basis, and since >there isn't a lot of commitment from the Globe to >make it a regular beat, >she has difficulty keeping up with it. On the other >hand, why not drop >Clea a note and make your corrections-- she won't >mind, I assure you. Since she is not a Globe staffer, I take it she doesn't have an '@globe.com' e-mail address. Most columnists and many reporters do print them at the bottom of their stories and columns, Clea doesn't. Do you know her e-mail? And by the way, the archives of the B.R.I.G. are now easier to read if she wished to do so. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billo@shoreham.net Fri Jan 23 19:03:05 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Jan 23 19:03:15 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <20040123.172015.-754849.0.tklaundry@juno.com> Message-ID: <001a01c3e20d$71542ce0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I had the honor of interviewing Bob Keeshan a few years ago, I have > never been star struck in all my years of interviewing > people, including > a number of very big names, but The Captain was part of my > childhood and > I was almost giddy when I met him. Sort of like how I felt the first time I met Faneuf in person. Seriously, I remember Captain Kangaroo very well, right up there with Romper Room ("Magic mirror, tell me today...") I was visiting the Cape about 15 years ago. During Christmas Stroll, I think. Me and a couple of friends visited a craft store/antique shop. There was this accessory building/bard that had it's door slightly ajar and there was this aging sign that read, "Dancing Bear." So, we go in there and there I was, mouth agape, staring at this sort of amusement park display featuring none other than THEE dancing bear from Captain Kangaroo. It was a Twilight Zone moment. In front of it's "stage" was a coin slot. In goes a quarter and on comes the dusty long-abandoned life-size bear, cheesy music, blinking lights and all of it mixed in with musty damp-smell, all in some storage barn somewhere on the Cape and three grown ups suddenly feeling like we may have just been caught by some guy named "Funt" with a camera. Some things just stick with you. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Jan 23 21:11:07 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Jan 23 21:11:11 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock References: <20040123165215.82427.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Reporters on all beats screw up. I find major factual errors in political and legal stories every week that are the equivalent to the Globe radio errors highlighted here. You would be safe to work under the assumption that pretty much everything you read in the Globe (or most papers) is as high a quality as the radio reporting. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Jan 23 21:24:45 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Jan 23 21:24:49 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <20040123165215.82427.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <200401240224.i0O2Oja3090228@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > You would be safe to work under the assumption that pretty much > everything you read in the Globe (or most papers) is as high a > quality as the radio reporting. It's the usual situation: we notice these sorts of errors because we have more specialized knowledge than the reporter does. We don't notice other sorts of similar errors because we share the reporter's level of ignorance. This is not necessarily a bad thing. -GAWollman From tklaundry@juno.com Fri Jan 23 23:43:38 2004 From: tklaundry@juno.com (Dave Faneuf) Date: Fri Jan 23 23:44:40 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan Message-ID: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> One other quick story he told me, then I'm gone. Bob told me he was on a flight, a woman came up to him and said "I know who you are"...Bob told me he said yes, you may have seen me on television, the woman said "Yes, You're Walter Cronkite"! Bob said, no, I am Bob Keeshan, Captain Kangaroo, and the woman again said, " NO, I know you, You're Walter Cronkite"! I can not express the sadness that I have in Bob's passing, not only that we have lost a great man, but we have also lost something that the new generation of broadcasters will never know, and I am at a loss to even begin to explain. Faneuf From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 24 01:24:56 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Jan 24 01:25:07 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad Message-ID: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> I've got this message from MoveOn. I thought people here would be interested in it. Joe ------- Forwarded message follows ------- ear MoveOn member, During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer companies, tobacco companies, and the Bush White House.(1) But you won't see the winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. CBS refuses to air it.(2) Meanwhile, the White House and Congressional Republicans are on the verge of signing into law a deal which Senator John McCain (R-AZ) says is custom-tailored for CBS and Fox,(3) allowing the two networks to grow much bigger. CBS lobbied hard for this rule change; MoveOn.org members across the country lobbied against it; and now our ad has been rejected while the White House ad will be played. It looks an awful lot like CBS is playing politics with the right to free speech. Of course, this is bigger than just the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) submitted an ad that was also rejected.(4) But this isn't even a progressive-vs.-conservative issue. The airwaves are publicly owned, so we have a fundamental right to hear viewpoints from across the ideological spectrum. That's why we need to let CBS know that this practice of arbitrarily turning down ads that may be "controversial" -- especially if they're controversial simply because they take on the President -- just isn't right. To watch the ad that CBS won't air and sign our petition to CBS, go to: http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/ If you want to skip the ad and just sign the petition, go to: http://www.moveon.org/cbs/?id=2280-3442865-Ixc6HHdOnY9Uw35ZM871nw We'll deliver the petition by email directly to CBS headquarters. You also may want to let your local CBS affiliate know you're unhappy about this decision. We've attached a list of the CBS affiliates in your state at the bottom of this email. Remember, a polite, friendly call will be most effective -- just explain to them why you believe CBS' decision hurts our democracy. CBS will claim that the ad is too controversial to air. But the message of the ad is a simple statement of fact, supported by the President's own figures. Compared with 2002's White House ad which claimed that drug users are supporting terrorism,(5) it hardly even registers. CBS will also claim that this decision isn't an indication of political bias. But given the facts, that's hard to believe. CBS overwhelmingly favored Republicans in its political giving, and the company spent millions courting the White House to stop FCC reform.(6) According to a well-respected study, CBS News was second only to Fox in failing to correct common misconceptions about the Iraq war which benefited the Bush Administration -- for example, the idea that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11.(7) This is not a partisan issue. It's critical that our media institutions be fair and open to all speakers. CBS is setting a dangerous precedent, and unless we speak up, the pattern may continue. Please call on CBS to air ads which address issues of public importance today. Sincerely, --Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn.org Team January 23rd, 2003 P.S. Our friends at Free Press have put together a page which explains simply how CBS and the FCC rule change are integrally linked. Check it out at: http://www.mediareform.net/media/ P.P.S Here are the CBS affiliates in your state: WBZ-TV, Boston: (617) 787-7000 Footnotes: 1. "Who's Buying What At the Super Bowl," Ad Age, 1/20/04 http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39561 2. CBS fax to MoveOn.org Voter Fund, 1/14/04 3. "Democrats Fold on 39% TV Cap Fight", Broadcasting and Cable, 1/21/04 http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA376078?display=Breaking+News 4. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals http://www.peta.org/feat/superbowl/ 5. "New Media Campaign Stresses Link between Drugs and Terrorism," U.S. Dept. of State http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02020501.htm 6. OpenSecrets.org: "CBS Television Network Soft Money Donations" http://www.moveon.org/r?482 7. "Misperceptions, the Media and the Iraq War," PIPA/Knowledge Networks Poll http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf ________________ ------- End of forwarded message --------- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 24 01:24:56 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Jan 24 01:25:21 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <200401240224.i0O2Oja3090228@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <4011C968.29050.605A16@localhost> On 23 Jan 2004 at 21:24, Garrett Wollman wrote: > It's the usual situation: we notice these sorts of errors because we > have more specialized knowledge than the reporter does. We don't > notice other sorts of similar errors because we share the reporter's > level of ignorance. This is not necessarily a bad thing. A couple of days ago either CNN or NECN (I forget which) had a story about a parrot that belonged to Sir Winston Churchill. The reporter said that it was an African Grey parrot. But the bird they showed on screen was not an African Grey, but a Blue and Gold Macaw. I've since seen the story somewhere else online, where they got it right. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@03038.com Sat Jan 24 08:30:23 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:41:23 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <200401240224.i0O2Oja3090228@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <007901c3e27f$d96b07a0$0e87fea9@q0002> Ignorance is bliss theory of media reporting? In the (Manchester NH)Union Leader this week, the local reporter covering Derry couldn't even get the correct vote on a Town Council bond vote (she had it "unanimous" opposed to the bond, where in reality the vote was 2 in favor and 5 opposed [including myself]). To me that's a fairly significant screw-up. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:25 PM To: Dan Billings Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM,her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock < said: > You would be safe to work under the assumption that pretty much > everything you read in the Globe (or most papers) is as high a > quality as the radio reporting. It's the usual situation: we notice these sorts of errors because we have more specialized knowledge than the reporter does. We don't notice other sorts of similar errors because we share the reporter's level of ignorance. This is not necessarily a bad thing. -GAWollman From paul@03038.com Sat Jan 24 08:35:00 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:41:48 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> First of all, MoveON is about as bias a source of information as you can get (I believe they floated the Bush as Hitler ad that they later removed from their web site). Funny how when it was Clinton, they were all about Movin' On...but now they've simply deteriorated into a typical left-wing web site. If they thought for a millisecond that Kucinich had a chance, I bet they'd be supporting him.... -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:25 AM To: Boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad I've got this message from MoveOn. I thought people here would be interested in it. Joe ------- Forwarded message follows ------- ear MoveOn member, During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer companies, tobacco companies, and the Bush White House.(1) But you won't see the winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. CBS refuses to air it.(2) Meanwhile, the White House and Congressional Republicans are on the verge of signing into law a deal which Senator John McCain (R-AZ) says is custom-tailored for CBS and Fox,(3) allowing the two networks to grow much bigger. CBS lobbied hard for this rule change; MoveOn.org members across the country lobbied against it; and now our ad has been rejected while the White House ad will be played. It looks an awful lot like CBS is playing politics with the right to free speech. Of course, this is bigger than just the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) submitted an ad that was also rejected.(4) But this isn't even a progressive-vs.-conservative issue. The airwaves are publicly owned, so we have a fundamental right to hear viewpoints from across the ideological spectrum. That's why we need to let CBS know that this practice of arbitrarily turning down ads that may be "controversial" -- especially if they're controversial simply because they take on the President -- just isn't right. To watch the ad that CBS won't air and sign our petition to CBS, go to: http://www.moveon.org/cbs/ad/ If you want to skip the ad and just sign the petition, go to: http://www.moveon.org/cbs/?id=2280-3442865-Ixc6HHdOnY9Uw35ZM871nw We'll deliver the petition by email directly to CBS headquarters. You also may want to let your local CBS affiliate know you're unhappy about this decision. We've attached a list of the CBS affiliates in your state at the bottom of this email. Remember, a polite, friendly call will be most effective -- just explain to them why you believe CBS' decision hurts our democracy. CBS will claim that the ad is too controversial to air. But the message of the ad is a simple statement of fact, supported by the President's own figures. Compared with 2002's White House ad which claimed that drug users are supporting terrorism,(5) it hardly even registers. CBS will also claim that this decision isn't an indication of political bias. But given the facts, that's hard to believe. CBS overwhelmingly favored Republicans in its political giving, and the company spent millions courting the White House to stop FCC reform.(6) According to a well-respected study, CBS News was second only to Fox in failing to correct common misconceptions about the Iraq war which benefited the Bush Administration -- for example, the idea that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11.(7) This is not a partisan issue. It's critical that our media institutions be fair and open to all speakers. CBS is setting a dangerous precedent, and unless we speak up, the pattern may continue. Please call on CBS to air ads which address issues of public importance today. Sincerely, --Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn.org Team January 23rd, 2003 P.S. Our friends at Free Press have put together a page which explains simply how CBS and the FCC rule change are integrally linked. Check it out at: http://www.mediareform.net/media/ P.P.S Here are the CBS affiliates in your state: WBZ-TV, Boston: (617) 787-7000 Footnotes: 1. "Who's Buying What At the Super Bowl," Ad Age, 1/20/04 http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39561 2. CBS fax to MoveOn.org Voter Fund, 1/14/04 3. "Democrats Fold on 39% TV Cap Fight", Broadcasting and Cable, 1/21/04 http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA376078?display=Breaking+News 4. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals http://www.peta.org/feat/superbowl/ 5. "New Media Campaign Stresses Link between Drugs and Terrorism," U.S. Dept. of State http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02020501.htm 6. OpenSecrets.org: "CBS Television Network Soft Money Donations" http://www.moveon.org/r?482 7. "Misperceptions, the Media and the Iraq War," PIPA/Knowledge Networks Poll http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf ________________ ------- End of forwarded message --------- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From oldradio@earthlink.net Sat Jan 24 09:05:03 2004 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:05:09 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 Message-ID: <017101c3e283$11857d20$1248bb3f@S0031698896> First, it was dancer, Ann Miller, then Captain Kangaroo, now Billy May this week. Wow! We've lost another legend in the music business, Billy May, at age 87 in Los Angeles. At age 23, he did Charlie Barnet's classic arrangement of "Cherokee" in 1939 as a trumpeter with the band, it became one of the biggest hits in the swing-era, and the inspiration for bebop saxaphonist, Charlie Parker's "Ko-Ko" based on the chord changes in "Cherokee." He also played trumpet and arranged for Glenn Miller before he formed his wartime, Army orchestra in the 1940's. That was just the beginning for Billy May. Later, his trademark "blusey glissando" or "slurping saxaphones" arrangements became a much sought-after, "new sound" for Frank Sinatra's series of "travelling themed", #1 albums. Crosby then also recorded two "travelling" albums. May shifted to a "brass choir" sound and won Grammy awards with that. May was on early radio with a number of singers including Bing Crosby. He was also the Musical Director for Stan Freberg's radio comedy series in the late-1950's. He then worked in television and movie sound tracks, and was a ghost-writer-arranger-composer. He wrote children's "story and song records" producing over 60 albums for the Capitol label. His talent for prolific music writing is in his statement: "I write faster than anyone, better - and better than anyone, faster!" So long, Billy - thanks for all the great music! Does anyone on the list have his albums to share or trade? "Sorta May", "Cha Cha", "Burnished Brass" w/ Shearing, or his work with Yma Sumac "Mambo" ? Maybe someone who worked on the air with his LP's? Thanks. Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 24 09:19:24 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:18:04 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124090505.009f7ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> At 01:24 AM 1/24/04 -0500, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >I've got this message from MoveOn. I thought people here would be >interested in it. > >During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer companies, >tobacco companies, and the Bush White House.(1) But you won't see the >winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. CBS >refuses to air it.(2) >It looks an awful lot like CBS is playing >politics with the right to free speech. > >Of course, this is bigger than just the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. People for >the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) submitted an ad that was also >rejected.(4) But this isn't even a progressive-vs.-conservative issue. >The airwaves are publicly owned, so we have a fundamental right to hear >viewpoints from across the ideological spectrum. That's why we need to >let CBS know that this practice of arbitrarily turning down ads that may >be "controversial" -- especially if they're controversial simply because >they take on the President -- just isn't right. I've never heard of this organization, but imho CBS has the right to reject any ads they wish. Maybe they should have also put a link to email CBS directly...or are they afraid that their protest may be overwhelmed with support for CBS's position? If this group's tactics are even half as offensive and filled with half-truths (or outright lies) as PETA's, then I'm on CBS's side. Funny how these organizations will shout down anyone who opposes their viewpoints, but when it's their side that's suppressed it's suddenly a free speech issue and they start screaming "censorship". If I'm not mistaken the courts have ruled again and again that "free speech" laws only pertain to --government-- restriction thereof, not by private parties. Another example of a far fringe organization trying to claim persecution where none exists. Flame on... From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 24 09:24:08 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:22:46 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <200401240224.i0O2Oja3090228@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <20040123165215.82427.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c3e21f$540bd130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124092021.00a76090@pop3.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: >It's the usual situation: we notice these sorts of errors because we >have more specialized knowledge than the reporter does. We don't >notice other sorts of similar errors because we share the reporter's >level of ignorance. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Agreed. How many of us mentally tune out during the music, yet come alert when the dj talks or spots air, more interested in the execution of a format than the music..much to the amusement and annoyance of non-radio friends/acquaintances? It's just one of those things like a barber noticing everybody's haircut. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 10:13:37 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:13:56 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> References: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> Message-ID: <1074957222.53DF91F@s29.dngr.org> It has bothered me for years as a parent that there are very few shows like this for todays kidlets. I learned to read from Miss Francis and Ding Dong School. Knock Knock jokes from Mr Moose. That the President was important from Big Brother. Look at the local icons we had Bozo, Big Brother, Major Mudd, Rex Trailer, Captain Bob, Willie Whistle, Uncle Gus.... It is shameful that local broadcasters do nothing for kids today. There hasn't been a local show for kids since Ready, Set, Go 20 years ago. On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:47pm, Dave Faneuf wrote: > One other quick story he told me, then I'm gone. > > > I can not express the sadness that I have in Bob's passing, not only > that we have lost a great man, but we have also lost something that the > new generation of broadcasters will never know, and I am at a loss to > even begin to explain. > > Faneuf From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 24 10:20:49 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:20:57 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124090505.009f7ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <001801c3e28d$a5a891e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Federal law requires stations to sell ad time to candidates for federal office, but not to independent groups. CBS apparently has a policy of rejecting these kind of ads and does so no matter what the viewpoint. I don't see this as censorship but I question the judgment of CBS. I don't share the political views of moveon.org but I have seen the ad in question and think it is well done and clever. Why does the Super Bowl have to be free of politics? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 24 10:46:09 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 24 10:46:25 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> Message-ID: <002501c3e291$3065d060$9f00a8c0@boneill> Dave Faneuf: > One other quick story he told me, then I'm gone. > > Bob told me he was on a flight, a woman came up to him and > said "I know > who you are"...Bob told me he said yes, you may have seen me on > television, the woman said "Yes, You're Walter Cronkite"! > Bob said, no, I am Bob Keeshan, Captain Kangaroo, and the woman again > said, " NO, I know you, You're Walter Cronkite"! Not surprising that there would be that confusion. Facial similarities aside, those two men were emblematic of a time when we looked to broadcasters for more than simple entertainment. They were people to whom we offered our trust. > I can not express the sadness that I have in Bob's passing, not only > that we have lost a great man, but we have also lost > something that the > new generation of broadcasters will never know, and I am at a loss to > even begin to explain. > > Faneuf I'm sorry for Bob's loss and how it's hit home. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 24 11:06:33 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:06:39 2004 Subject: The Curse (was: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124092021.00a76090@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002b01c3e294$0a04a6a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Steve replies to Garrett: > Agreed. How many of us mentally tune out during the music, > yet come alert > when the dj talks or spots air, more interested in the execution of a > format than the music..much to the amusement and annoyance of > non-radio > friends/acquaintances? It's just one of those things like a barber > noticing everybody's haircut. As per the caption, I call it "the curse of radio." In truth, it's a term or endearment. I can't usually "listen" to radio since I am too busy in "analysis" mode when I'm bouncing around. In those rare times that I find myself sucked in and thoroughly engaged as a listener, I will likely note it here in this space. It becomes "a story." I think one of those rare moments, once noted here, was when I actually sat down at the kitchen table with coffee and paper and "listened" to Ken Squier on WDEV (96.1//550) with "Music to Go to the Dump By," a radio staple of Saturday mornings throughout Vermont from 9-10 a.m. Subsequent "listens" were not as such. It's temporal, those rare times; just because a show may suck me in once, it may not do the same on subsequent encounters. Glick on BZ was a master at helping me to forget the radio curse. Jerry, RIP, had that skill, on occasion - especially with a comedian in studio with him. OTOH, there were some hosts that were so good that I couldn't help to listen as a student and take as many notes as humanly possible - Jess Cain, comes to mind. Having had the chance to actually observe his work made that even more powerful. It was this heretofore unmatched sense of ease with which he worked, coupled with clear evidence of show prep and professional presentation both on and off the air. And perhaps this one is to be filed under "distance (of time) makes the heart grow fonder," but my recollection of the Sports Huddle with Eddie, Mark & Jim back on the old HDH was significant for the fact that not being an avid sports guy, my pre-talk days, I was thoroughly engaged. And a room full of talkers is ripe for aural trainwrecks, mixed egos, poor execution and errant banter. But it all worked. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 11:20:55 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:21:03 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: At 8:35 AM -0500 1/24/04, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >First of all, MoveON is about as bias a source of information as you can get >(I believe they floated the Bush as Hitler ad that they later removed from >their web site). They showed on their website all the ads that were submitted, simply showing the submission did not imply any endorsement by the organization. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 11:23:18 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:23:26 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124090505.009f7ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124090505.009f7ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 9:19 AM -0500 1/24/04, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >Funny how these organizations will shout down anyone who opposes >their viewpoints, They are not trying to shout down anyone. I don't see how anyone can interpret submitting a petition to get an ad run in this way. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 11:26:38 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:26:44 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <1074957222.53DF91F@s29.dngr.org> References: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> <1074957222.53DF91F@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: At 3:13 PM +0000 1/24/04, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >It is shameful that local broadcasters do nothing for kids today. >There hasn't been a local show for kids since Ready, Set, Go 20 >years ago. > Channel 7 ran "Ready to Go" less than 20 years ago. But the jist of Kevin's comments are correct I believe, that there currently are no locally produced children's programs on commercial TV. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 11:49:02 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:49:19 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: References: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> Message-ID: <1074962949.21CB0BA2@r31.dngr.org> I stand corrected, I remember it shared the same studio as the Joe Morgan Show in 1989. On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:36am, Larry Weil wrote: > At 3:13 PM +0000 1/24/04, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> >> It is shameful that local broadcasters do nothing for kids today. >> There hasn't been a local show for kids since Ready, Set, Go 20 years >> ago. >> > > Channel 7 ran "Ready to Go" less than 20 years ago. But the jist of > Kevin's comments are correct I believe, that there currently are no > locally produced children's programs on commercial TV. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 24 11:59:34 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:00:10 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040124115623.024aaf10@pop.registeredsite.com> Paul wrote: >First of all, MoveON is about as bias a source of information as you can get >(I believe they floated the Bush as Hitler ad that they later removed from >their web site). Umm, Moveon.org is a Democratic website and doesn't pretend to be otherwise. It is no more biased than the Weekly Standard or Newsmax is from the Republican side. But they didn't float anything about Hitler-- they were having a contest and they asked for submissions. Hundreds of people submitted, including TWO that equated Bush with Hitler. These ads did not win. Btw, Republicans have compared Democrats to Hitler too-- I think the Hitler comparison and the word 'Nazi' are tossed around way too frequently-- they do nothing to clarify issues and only get people angry. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 24 12:24:44 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Jan 24 12:25:24 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e1d2$510268c0$59464742@Sean> References: <001301c3e1b3$8ea15840$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040124122139.02508a58@pop.registeredsite.com> >Sean wrote-- >That being said, I also agree that being a part-timer hampers the radio >coverage somewhat. But Dean Johnson is not a full-time media reporter; >he also covers other forms of entertainment (he's a reviewer as well). >Yet he seems to do a manageable job of covering the beat. Not trying to make excuses, but Dean has a desk at the Herald and he does work there fulltime, in a variety of media and music related tasks; he also does some stuff from home. Clea, on the other hand, doesn't even have an office to go to. It really does make life easier when your files are all organised at one particular location and you have an editor who helps with fact-checking. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 13:01:18 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:01:37 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home Message-ID: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any regular network show. Spenser for Hire of course was one as they had a sound stage in Allston but I can think of only one other. A Saturday morning kids show with Captain Bob in the late 50's where he featured Ruff and Ready. I remember this as it orginated from WHDH in Dorchester on NBC even though Ch5 was not an NBC affil. (However they used to carry NBC on Sat mornings as WBZ preempted the network for Boomtown) There were some syndiated shows based in Boston, but I can not think of anything else on a network level. From ecps92@earthlink.net Sat Jan 24 13:37:16 2004 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:38:42 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home References: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <224701c3e2a9$1816be80$6501a8c0@net> Going back earlier, although not much was really filmed in Boston was the Detective Show "Banacek" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068044/plotsummary One of the Opening Scenes was similar to Spenser with shot of the Charles River Bill Dunn N1KUG http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 13:01 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home > Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any > regular network show. > > > There were some syndiated shows based in Boston, but I can not think of > anything else on a network level. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 24 13:53:16 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:53:24 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000e01c3e2ab$53f891b0$c3ec33d1@alvin> > Spenser for Hire of course was one as they had a sound stage > in Allston > but I can think of only one other. A Saturday morning kids show with > Captain Bob in the late 50's where he featured Ruff and Ready. I > remember this as it orginated from WHDH in Dorchester on NBC > even though > Ch5 was not an NBC affil. (However they used to carry NBC on Sat > mornings as WBZ preempted the network for Boomtown) > > Has anyone ever seen a website for Boomtown? I had all but forgotten the show. It'd be fun to have my memory jogged. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 14:00:06 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:00:21 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <224701c3e2a9$1816be80$6501a8c0@net> References: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> <224701c3e2a9$1816be80$6501a8c0@net> Message-ID: <1074970813.3211C74B@s29.dngr.org> No there have been a ton of shows that were set in Boston, in fact it is a tossup between Chicago and Boston of which city has been the setting for a prime time show after LA and NY. I excluded PBS from the mix, we just talking the 3 full time nets. Boston was not the home of a network owned TV outlet until recent which is probably the main reason very few shows came from here. I *suspect* WHDH Channel 5 was thrown a bone by NBC to host Captain Bob in return for piking up the NBC Saturday kids block. Channel 5 BTW was the home of the Tonight Show for years as WBZ was forced to take Group W offerings at night instead of NBC. On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 1:38pm, *Bill wrote: > Going back earlier, although not much was really filmed in Boston was > the > Detective Show "Banacek" > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068044/plotsummary One of the Opening > Scenes > was similar to > Spenser with shot of the Charles River > > > Bill Dunn N1KUG > http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 13:01 > Subject: Network shows that Boston was home > > >> Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any >> regular network show. >> >> >> There were some syndiated shows based in Boston, but I can not think >> of >> anything else on a network level. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 24 14:00:34 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:00:39 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> References: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <200401241900.i0OJ0YIV094415@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I've got this message from MoveOn. I thought people here would be interested in it. Please remember that our policy here on this list is that contributions should be in your own words -- even if the original source has given permission for redistribution. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 14:03:28 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:03:40 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <000e01c3e2ab$53f891b0$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <000e01c3e2ab$53f891b0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <1074971011.59FE8EF@r31.dngr.org> Try http://www.rextrailer.com > > Has anyone ever seen a website for Boomtown? I had all but forgotten > the > show. It'd be fun to have my memory jogged. > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > +1-978-538-7575 voice > +1-978-538-7550 fax > www.cssinc.com From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 14:11:00 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:19:08 2004 Subject: Boomtown! Message-ID: <000501c3e2ad$f0ff7940$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> And I can *still* sing along with the theme....! http://www.digitalfreeway.com/boomtown/boompromo.html From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 24 14:29:51 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:30:14 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:30:23 >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: "'Garrett Wollman'" ,"'Dan Billings'" Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Ignorance is bliss theory of media reporting? > >In the (Manchester NH)Union Leader this week, the local reporter covering >Derry couldn't even get the correct vote on a Town Council bond vote (she >had it "unanimous" opposed to the bond, where in reality the vote was 2 in >favor and 5 opposed [including myself]). To me that's a fairly significant >screw-up. > >-Paul Hopfgarten >-East Derry NH > In an otherwise interesting story about the sums of money being spent by candidates in the NH Primary, published in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday Jan 21st, this assertion appeared: "WMUR-TV, New Hampshire's only broadcast TV outlet..." Duh...even if you exclude NHPTV which cannot accept political ads, there are channels 21, 50 and 60; and channel 50 carries news, plus weather by Al Kaprelian who makes Howard Dean seem sedate! To the best of my knowledge, the WSJ did not print a correction. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 24 14:55:04 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:55:20 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:24:56 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: Boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >I've got this message from MoveOn. I thought people here would be interested in it. > >Joe > Here I go predicting again, but one thing that may happen in the next week or so is that the weekend talk shows and programs like Fox TV's "Newswatch" and CNN's "Reliable Sources" will play the spot for comment. Many political entities make high-profile commercials that are then placed on a UHF station in North Dakota, but then get replayed many times on everything from "The Mclaughlin Group' to "Meet the Press". Such a tactic causes such spots to be seen by many more people than could be reach by the original outlet. Now obviously, more people will be tuned in to "The Big Game" than to the shows I've mentioned, but the impact may be approxiametely the same because viewers of the sporting contest Sunday night may be as blitzed as the quarterbacks. (So-called Super Sunday could be nicknamed "Operation Enduring Buzz".) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 24 14:55:09 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 24 14:55:33 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401241955.i0OJt98i094637@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Duh...even if you exclude NHPTV which cannot accept political > ads, there are channels 21, 50 and 60; and channel > 50 carries news Well, CTV of Derry is probably not a public company, unlike Hearst-Argyle. NBC would just as soon nobody remembered that channel 60 was licensed to Merrimack and probably tells the Journal that it's a Boston station. Channel 21 is licensed as a full-time satellite of Pax Boston. On the other hand, all of New Hampshire except Grafton County is part of the Boston or Portland TV market. -GAWollman From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 24 15:07:28 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:07:50 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:55:09 >From: Garrett Wollman >To: lglavin@lycos.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Well, CTV of Derry is probably not a public company, unlike >Hearst-Argyle. NBC would just as soon nobody remembered that channel >60 was licensed to Merrimack and probably tells the Journal that it's >a Boston station. Channel 21 is licensed as a full-time satellite of >Pax Boston. > >On the other hand, all of New Hampshire except Grafton County is part >of the Boston or Portland TV market. > >-GAWollman > > The point was the the WSJ erred in claiming there were no other broadcast TV outlets in NH. Whatever their ownerships or staus as rebroadcasters, these channels ARE on-the-air and receivable by folks living in NH who don't have cable. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From DonKelley@aol.com Sat Jan 24 15:12:48 2004 From: DonKelley@aol.com (DonKelley@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:13:08 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home Message-ID: <1C9898CE.35F18DA0.0238A7FB@aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/2004 1:01:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, kvahey@tmail.com writes: > > Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home > for any > regular network show. If you mean a network show that is set in Boston...there have been a ton of them: Spenser For Hire Banacek St. Elsewhere Cheers Boston Public Ally McBeal The Practice Gilmore Girls It's All Relative Two Guys, A Girl & a Pizza Joint Good Morning Beantown Paul Sand in Friends & Lovers something with Denis Leary that took place on Comm Ave Crossing Jordan Most of these have had exteriors shot in Boston. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 15:19:36 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:26:57 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home References: <1C9898CE.35F18DA0.0238A7FB@aol.com> Message-ID: <368601c3e2b7$69a63a60$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> And let's not forget "The Practice"... ;-) JP > If you mean a network show that is set in Boston...there have been a ton of them: > > Spenser For Hire > Banacek > St. Elsewhere > Cheers > Boston Public > Ally McBeal > The Practice > Gilmore Girls > It's All Relative > Two Guys, A Girl & a Pizza Joint > Good Morning Beantown > Paul Sand in Friends & Lovers > something with Denis Leary that took place on Comm Ave > Crossing Jordan > > Most of these have had exteriors shot in Boston. > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 24 15:28:12 2004 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:28:29 2004 Subject: WSJ and NH broadcast TV stations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401242028.i0OKSC4K094787@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The point was the the WSJ erred in claiming there were no > other broadcast TV outlets in NH. And *my* point was that if they are not owned by a public company, or a very large private one, they probably don't count as far as the Journal is concerned. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 15:35:24 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:35:35 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> References: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124153431.0263f390@mail.mac.com> At 01:01 PM 1/24/2004, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any regular >network show. Sesame Street and Nova are two that come to mind. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@03038.com Sat Jan 24 15:47:33 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:48:58 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> Which raises an interesting point....Ch 60 is now Telemundo (WNEU) and with the Spanish-Speaking population of NH very low, I would suspect there has been no spanish language political ads on Ch 60. NOTOH, Ch 50 WNDS and Ch 21 WPXG (mostly Ch 50 though) have broadcast ads. I would guess though that the Boston stations CBS4 NBC7 FOX25 UPN38 WB56 (Howmany people DONT know WB56's actual call letters, nevermind COL) would get more ads, since those 5 networks have NO NH outlet... -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH (For the first time since I moved to NH in '90, I've no real choice in the Primary...as in 1992 I actually voted in the Dem primary as I was Independent at the time, voting for Jerry Brown because he was pro Flat Tax and pro Space Exploration......then having GOP Primaries (I was Independent until 1994, became Libertarian for about a year, then Republican in 95 til now)... in 1996 and 2000....Steve Forbes my man both times....This time I may vote for a 'lesser' candidate in the GOP primary just for funzies!) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:30 PM To: 'Garrett Wollman'; 'Dan Billings'; paul@03038.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM,her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock >DATE: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:30:23 >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: "'Garrett Wollman'" ,"'Dan Billings'" Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Ignorance is bliss theory of media reporting? > >In the (Manchester NH)Union Leader this week, the local reporter covering >Derry couldn't even get the correct vote on a Town Council bond vote (she >had it "unanimous" opposed to the bond, where in reality the vote was 2 in >favor and 5 opposed [including myself]). To me that's a fairly significant >screw-up. > >-Paul Hopfgarten >-East Derry NH > In an otherwise interesting story about the sums of money being spent by candidates in the NH Primary, published in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday Jan 21st, this assertion appeared: "WMUR-TV, New Hampshire's only broadcast TV outlet..." Duh...even if you exclude NHPTV which cannot accept political ads, there are channels 21, 50 and 60; and channel 50 carries news, plus weather by Al Kaprelian who makes Howard Dean seem sedate! To the best of my knowledge, the WSJ did not print a correction. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 15:54:18 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:54:23 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124155158.026503d8@mail.mac.com> At 03:47 PM 1/24/2004, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >NOTOH, Ch 50 WNDS and Ch 21 WPXG (mostly Ch 50 though) have broadcast ads. I >would guess though that the Boston stations CBS4 NBC7 FOX25 UPN38 WB56 >(Howmany people DONT know WB56's actual call letters, nevermind COL) would >get more ads, since those 5 networks have NO NH outlet... Isn't Ch 31 in Hartford, VT, considered the local NBC outlet for part of NH? I wonder if they've been getting many political ads. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Jan 24 16:00:05 2004 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:02:38 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <49240208-4EB0-11D8-AF56-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Jan 24, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > NOTOH, Ch 50 WNDS and Ch 21 WPXG (mostly Ch 50 though) have broadcast > ads. I > would guess though that the Boston stations CBS4 NBC7 FOX25 UPN38 WB56 > (Howmany people DONT know WB56's actual call letters, nevermind COL) > would > get more ads, since those 5 networks have NO NH outlet... Most of the money spent on such political ads on Boston stations is, of course, wasted, since most of the audience for those stations don't live in New Hampshire. Yes, most people wouldn't know WB56 is really WLVI Cambridge, but how many would know the call letters of channel 38? On my cable system, they're annoyingly listed as "UPN38", unlike every other broadcast station which is listed by their call letters. Paul From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 24 16:16:14 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:20:03 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home Message-ID: >>Gilmore Girls<< Nope. That one is set somewhere in Connecticut. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From sid@wrko.com Sat Jan 24 16:06:12 2004 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:20:19 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 Message-ID: >>We've lost another legend in the music business, Billy May, at age 87 in Los Angeles.<< As far as radio goes, Billy May was known for something else, too. He and his orchestra recorded "Tri-Fi Drums," the closing theme used by long-time NYC DJ Dan Ingram. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 24 16:33:31 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:32:08 2004 Subject: N.H. tv (was: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM....) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124163136.00a78510@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > > >The point was the the WSJ erred in claiming there were no >other broadcast TV outlets in NH. Whatever their ownerships >or staus as rebroadcasters, these channels ARE on-the-air >and receivable by folks living in NH who don't have >cable. Maybe because channel 9 is the only major network affiliate in the state? Indies don't get much respect. From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 24 16:35:47 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:34:25 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124163430.00a7b3a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >(For the first time since I moved to NH in '90, I've no real choice in the >Primary...as in 1992 I actually voted in the Dem primary as I was >Independent at the time, voting for Jerry Brown because he was pro Flat Tax >and pro Space Exploration......then having GOP Primaries (I was Independent >until 1994, became Libertarian for about a year, then Republican in 95 til >now)... in 1996 and 2000....Steve Forbes my man both times....This time I >may vote for a 'lesser' candidate in the GOP primary just for funzies!) I know what you mean...where's Pat Paulsen now that we need him? Vote or get off the pot. From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Jan 24 16:38:59 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:37:35 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <49240208-4EB0-11D8-AF56-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> References: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124163631.00a78b60@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Anderson wrote: >Most of the money spent on such political ads on Boston stations is, of >course, wasted, since most of the audience for those stations don't live >in New Hampshire. I haven't really noticed it much this primary season, but during N.H. state elections a lot of money goes to Boston media. Don't watch much tv, but last governor's race there seemed to be more ads for N.H. candidates on WBZ than on many N.H. stations. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 24 16:37:28 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:38:05 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <1074967281.34635592@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040124163456.023e4730@pop.registeredsite.com> At 01:01 PM 1/24/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any regular >network show. Yeah, "St. Elsewhere" was supposed to be shot in Boston, but it was really shot in LA. And wasn't "The Practice" also supposed to be shot here, but again, it used exteriors from Boston but did the series itself on the west coast... From paul@03038.com Sat Jan 24 16:33:56 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:39:43 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124155158.026503d8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <007801c3e2c2$9426a800$0e87fea9@q0002> Ya know...after I sent the e-mail I thought of 31...I suppose for the that matter that WCSH, WMTW and WGME are also receivng some ads...but I'd guess not at the volume that the Boston stations get them. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Larry Weil Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:54 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock At 03:47 PM 1/24/2004, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >NOTOH, Ch 50 WNDS and Ch 21 WPXG (mostly Ch 50 though) have broadcast ads. I >would guess though that the Boston stations CBS4 NBC7 FOX25 UPN38 WB56 >(Howmany people DONT know WB56's actual call letters, nevermind COL) would >get more ads, since those 5 networks have NO NH outlet... Isn't Ch 31 in Hartford, VT, considered the local NBC outlet for part of NH? I wonder if they've been getting many political ads. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 24 16:39:53 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:39:59 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <49240208-4EB0-11D8-AF56-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> References: <005f01c3e2bb$849c3fa0$0e87fea9@q0002> <49240208-4EB0-11D8-AF56-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124163610.026591e8@mail.mac.com> At 04:00 PM 1/24/2004, Paul Anderson wrote: >Most of the money spent on such political ads on Boston stations is, of >course, wasted, since most of the audience for those stations don't live >in New Hampshire. I don't think it's as wasted as you think. After all, the Massachusetts Presidential Primary is only three weeks after the NH Primary. And, the part of NH for which the Boston stations are the primary affiliates probably has a population approaching one million, that's a substantial part of the market. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billo@shoreham.net Sat Jan 24 16:40:35 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:40:41 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <368601c3e2b7$69a63a60$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3e2c2$b3f1d8d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > > Spenser For Hire > > Banacek > > St. Elsewhere > > Cheers > > Boston Public > > Ally McBeal > > The Practice > > Gilmore Girls > > It's All Relative > > Two Guys, A Girl & a Pizza Joint > > Good Morning Beantown > > Paul Sand in Friends & Lovers > > something with Denis Leary that took place on Comm Ave > > Crossing Jordan > > > > Most of these have had exteriors shot in Boston. How about GBH's ZOOM! Still a Boston production with local talent. (I'm the proud Dad of a girl who stood in line with her old man in the freezing cold for a "cattle call" for the show about 4 years ago. Won't forget that great experience. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 17:33:23 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 17:33:34 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <000c01c3e2c2$b3f1d8d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <000c01c3e2c2$b3f1d8d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <1074983606.2B0917E7@r5.dngr.org> In digging we found one more network show that orginated in Boston The Jane Whitney Show for ABC that orginated from WCVB in 1992 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 17:56:23 2004 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Jan 24 18:14:20 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124163430.00a7b3a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <086901c3e2ce$cb22c620$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > I know what you mean...where's Pat Paulsen now that we need him? Ummmm...in the morgue? Cemetery? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 11:41:27 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Jan 24 19:11:53 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 In-Reply-To: <017101c3e283$11857d20$1248bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <20040124164127.82140.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- RBB wrote: > We've lost another legend in the music business, > Billy May, at age 87 in Los > Angeles. He > was also the Musical Director for Stan Freberg's > radio comedy series in the > late-1950's. He then worked in television and > movie sound tracks, and was > a ghost-writer-arranger-composer. Yes--was familiar with his work with Ol' Blue Eyes as well as Freberg. In fact I have all 15 episodes of Freberg's short-lived 50s radio series (he replaced Jack Benny on CBS). "With the music of Billy Mayyyyyy...," part of the opening theme went. And I'm sure he worked with Freberg on more than a few of his hit records, too. Oddly enough, there's a connection between Freberg and the late Miller, too. A 1972 ad Freberg did (which appears on the video portion of his box set "Tip of the Freberg") has Miller as a housewife who sings and tapdances out of her kitchen onto a stage (and, eventually, a giant can of Campbell's Great American Soups). Then she tapdances back into the kitchen. "Emily," says her husband, "why do you have to make such a big production out of everything?" :) Also: as part of the "Rocky Horror Picture Show", one song, "the Time Warp", has the character "Columbia" going into a tap dance. At that part, audience members traditionally yell out, "Eat your heart out, Ann Miller!" From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 24 19:40:06 2004 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Jan 24 19:40:10 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 In-Reply-To: <20040124164127.82140.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3e2db$c809b360$c3ec33d1@alvin> > Also: as part of the "Rocky Horror Picture Show", > one song, "the Time Warp", has the character > "Columbia" going into a tap dance. At that part, > audience members traditionally yell out, > "Eat your heart out, Ann Miller!" Just how many of the kids in today's audiences actually have a clue who Ann Miller actually was? As someone who has been to RHPS a number of times in the past 25 years, both professionally and as an audience member, its sad to say that the show has degenerated (if one can say that about this show) from one where the audience yelled back creatively funny and/or clever stuff to one where the audience yells back "f-this", "f-you", etc. The sad thing about it is that today's audience finds it just as funny. Humor seems to simply revolve around saying the f-word. I guess that I'm getting old. Maybe I'll start listening to WODS. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 24 21:30:24 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:30:37 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball Message-ID: <1074997824.EE785FE@s5.dngr.org> and the winner is WKXL Concord http://www.newhampshirebaseball.com/wkxl.shtml Signal should be OK in Manchester, but Nashua will be a problem at night From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Jan 25 00:23:02 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Jan 25 00:23:17 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball In-Reply-To: <1074997824.EE785FE@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000201c3e303$530501f0$59464742@Sean> Kevin writes: << Signal should be OK in Manchester, but Nashua will be a problem at night >> Yeah but they're surely adding stations to the network ... I could easily see 900 in Nashua becoming an affiliate, as a means to counter-act the Nashua Pride broadcasts on 1590. Who knows? I honestly don't think many in Nashua will care about Manchester's baseball team. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 00:28:18 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Jan 25 00:28:26 2004 Subject: Boston Globe / Living / Arts / As GM, her job is to pump up sports talk and hard rock In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124163430.00a7b3a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20040125052818.55015.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: where's Pat Paulsen now that > we need him? Vote or > get off the pot. >From the Straight Talking American Government, or STAG Party. Slogan: "We Can't Stand Pat" :) From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 02:11:18 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:11:24 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <1074957222.53DF91F@s29.dngr.org> References: <20040123.234339.-711281.2.tklaundry@juno.com> Message-ID: <401325C6.30559.963FF1@localhost> On 24 Jan 2004 at 15:13, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I learned to read from Miss Francis and Ding Dong School. Knock Knock > jokes from Mr Moose. That the President was important from Big Brother. > Look at the local icons we had Bozo, Big Brother, Major Mudd, Rex Trailer, > Captain Bob, Willie Whistle, Uncle Gus.... Nowadays, kids learn to read from Sesame Street. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 02:11:18 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:11:41 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <401325C6.8776.964052@localhost> On 24 Jan 2004 at 8:35, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > First of all, MoveON is about as bias a source of information as you can > get (I believe they floated the Bush as Hitler ad that they later removed > from their web site). If you check their Website, you'll find the full story of the "Bush as Hitler" ad. They solicited ads from members, and that was one of the ones uploaded. As soon as they saw what it was, they removed it, and they say they will improve their screening in the future. But the point is that their anti-Bush ad (which you can view on their site) has as much right to be aired as pro-Bush ads. > Funny how when it was Clinton, they were all about Movin' On...but now > they've simply deteriorated into a typical left-wing web site. If they > thought for a millisecond that Kucinich had a chance, I bet they'd be > supporting him.... Funny how, when it was Clinton, nobody had any trouble getting anti-administration ads aired. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 02:11:18 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:11:56 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040124090505.009f7ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <401325C6.2005.964105@localhost> On 24 Jan 2004 at 9:19, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >During this year's Super Bowl, you'll see ads sponsored by beer > >companies, tobacco companies, and the Bush White House.(1) But you won't > >see the winning ad in MoveOn.org Voter Fund's Bush in 30 Seconds ad > >contest. CBS refuses to air it.(2) It looks an awful lot like CBS is > >playing politics with the right to free speech. So take a look at the ad on their site. I didn't find it offensive. But then, I agree with its sentiments. > Funny how these organizations will shout down anyone who opposes their > viewpoints, but when it's their side that's suppressed it's suddenly a > free speech issue and they start screaming "censorship". If I'm not > mistaken the courts have ruled again and again that "free speech" laws > only pertain to --government-- restriction thereof, not by private > parties. But the problem is that, with media consolidation, it becomes much harder to get dissenting ads aired. Funny how the Republicans pushed media consolidation, and the result is to silence discussion which opposes their positions. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 02:11:18 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:12:26 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <1074970813.3211C74B@s29.dngr.org> References: <224701c3e2a9$1816be80$6501a8c0@net> Message-ID: <401325C6.5744.96415E@localhost> On 24 Jan 2004 at 19:00, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Channel 5 BTW was the home of the Tonight Show for years as WBZ was > forced to take Group W offerings at night instead of NBC. Channel 5 (WHDH-TV) carried a number of NBC and CBS shows back in those days which were not carried by their regular affiliates. They carried NBC shows Tic Tac Dough, Huntley- Brinkley News, and Meet the Press, among others, and they carried CBS's evening news with Douglas Edwards. And, for the first year that Channel 5 was on the air, the Mickey Mouse Club, an ABC show, continued to be shown on Channel 7. In fact, before Channel 5 came on the air, Channel 2 carried Meet the Press and the Huntley- Brinkley News, with commercials blanked. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 02:11:18 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:12:39 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <1C9898CE.35F18DA0.0238A7FB@aol.com> Message-ID: <401325C6.24710.9641B8@localhost> On 24 Jan 2004 at 15:12, DonKelley@aol.com wrote: > If you mean a network show that is set in Boston...there have been a ton > of them: ... > Gilmore Girls Nope, Gilmore Girls is set in Connecticut, mostly in the mythical town of Stars Hollow, but now also at Yale, where Rory Gilmore is a freshman. The closest they've gotten to Boston was one episode last year where they visited Harvard. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 00:26:32 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Jan 25 03:18:56 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3e2db$c809b360$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <20040125052632.9599.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Brian Vita wrote: > Just how many of the kids in today's audiences > actually have a clue who Ann > Miller actually was? As someone who has been to > RHPS a number of times in > the past 25 years, both professionally and as an > audience member, its sad to > say that the show has degenerated Yeah...I will say that I last saw the film (with an audience) at a "furry" convention (fans of anthropomorphic cartoons) in Philadelphia. There were a couple new lines but not too many. (I do have it on DVD as well as the soundtrack CD.) Though it was fun to do the audience partici- (say it!)- pation with an audience again. (I've seen it many, many times, usually at the Harvard Sq. Theatre.) The lines yelled out by audience members have pretty much been passed down through the years. The sad thing > about it is that today's audience finds it just as > funny. Humor seems to > simply revolve around saying the f-word. Seems that way. I heard some clips of some "comedians" at a liberal rally/benefit and apparently they feel anything will be instantly funny when you just add the f-word to it. :) From busnrail@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 04:53:56 2004 From: busnrail@yahoo.com (Mark Time) Date: Sun Jan 25 04:54:14 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 In-Reply-To: <20040124164127.82140.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040125095356.88682.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Nelson wrote: > --- RBB wrote: > > > We've lost another legend in the music business, > > Billy May, at age 87 in Los Angeles. He > > was also the Musical Director for Stan Freberg's > > radio comedy series in the late-1950's. > > And I'm sure he worked with Freberg on more than > a few of his hit records, too. Yes...KNX had a nice obituary for May late Friday night, mentioning the Freberg show AND the "American history" album they did together. > Oddly enough, there's a connection between Freberg > and the late Miller, too. Would be REALLY spooky if someone can find a connection between Billy May, Ann Miller, and Bob Keeshin. (Besides, of course, that "Captain Kangaroo" joined the CBS TV lineup not long before Freberg's 15 weeks of fame on CBS radio). -- Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 08:47:09 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Jan 25 08:46:06 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball References: <1074997824.EE785FE@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <003001c3e349$bab1ad30$64f88018@markscomputer> Kevin Vahey wrote: > and the winner is WKXL Concord. Reading the article that Kevin linked, it says the games will be on the WKXL Network, which as of now is 2 stations: WKXL (1450 Concord) and WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough), and is currently negotiating with other stations to become affiliates. WKXL Sports Director Mike Murphy and WKXL Operations Manager Bob Lipman will be handling the play by play and color commentary duties. The article also says that WKXL's signal blankets the Capital Region of NH and WTPL's signal covers a third of the state from Manchester to Tilton. Does WTPL put a usable signal into Manchester? And did any of the Manchester stations negotiate with the team? One would think that WGIR, WKBR, or WFEA (owned by Clear Channel, Northeast Broadcasting, and Saga respectively) would be a logical choice for flagship. All three of those stations put a city grade signal into Gil Stadium, the team's temporary home for this season, and the new stadium that should be open for the 2005 season. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 09:01:31 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:00:26 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball References: <000201c3e303$530501f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <003e01c3e34b$bc734870$64f88018@markscomputer> Sean Smyth wrote: > Yeah but they're surely adding stations to the network ... I could > easily see 900 in Nashua becoming an affiliate, as a means to > counter-act the Nashua Pride broadcasts on 1590. The Nashua Pride have been on 900 in Nashua for the last couple of seasons at least. WSMN (1590) has been carrying Red Sox games the last few years, maybe they'll pick up the NH Fisher Cats instead. Mark Watson From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 25 09:08:48 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:13:57 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <401325C6.5744.96415E@localhost> Message-ID: <005101c3e34d$ac407c00$0e87fea9@q0002> I'm not quite old enough to remember Ch 5 carrying NBC and ABC shows in there WHDH incarnation. (Wasn't Ch 5 always CBS as WHDH pre 1972?). What I remember more often is Ch 38 (WSBK) and Ch 56 (then WKBG) carrying numerous shows from all three networks.. My TV Guide of 1970 or so might show Chs 10-38 carrying an NBC show and Chs 12-56 a CBS one for example (I do seem to recall that NBC on 38 was the most common, while CBS and ABC shows could've been on either 38 or 56) By the time Ch 62 (WMFP) came on the air in the early 90's as a secondary NBC affil, Ch 4 (WBZ-stll NBC then) simply wasn't pre-empting network fare like all 3 Boston VHFs used to do. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 2:11 AM To: Kevin Vahey; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Network shows that Boston was home On 24 Jan 2004 at 19:00, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Channel 5 BTW was the home of the Tonight Show for years as WBZ was > forced to take Group W offerings at night instead of NBC. Channel 5 (WHDH-TV) carried a number of NBC and CBS shows back in those days which were not carried by their regular affiliates. They carried NBC shows Tic Tac Dough, Huntley- Brinkley News, and Meet the Press, among others, and they carried CBS's evening news with Douglas Edwards. And, for the first year that Channel 5 was on the air, the Mickey Mouse Club, an ABC show, continued to be shown on Channel 7. In fact, before Channel 5 came on the air, Channel 2 carried Meet the Press and the Huntley- Brinkley News, with commercials blanked. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 25 09:14:43 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:14:15 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball In-Reply-To: <003001c3e349$bab1ad30$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <005601c3e34d$b6025920$0e87fea9@q0002> Yes, WTPL does indeed put a listenable signal into Manchester. I would say that Derry Is about the southern-most Town where 107.7 does not get blown out by WXKS-FM (Kiss 108). -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:47 AM To: Kevin Vahey; bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball Kevin Vahey wrote: > and the winner is WKXL Concord. Reading the article that Kevin linked, it says the games will be on the WKXL Network, which as of now is 2 stations: WKXL (1450 Concord) and WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough), and is currently negotiating with other stations to become affiliates. WKXL Sports Director Mike Murphy and WKXL Operations Manager Bob Lipman will be handling the play by play and color commentary duties. The article also says that WKXL's signal blankets the Capital Region of NH and WTPL's signal covers a third of the state from Manchester to Tilton. Does WTPL put a usable signal into Manchester? And did any of the Manchester stations negotiate with the team? One would think that WGIR, WKBR, or WFEA (owned by Clear Channel, Northeast Broadcasting, and Saga respectively) would be a logical choice for flagship. All three of those stations put a city grade signal into Gil Stadium, the team's temporary home for this season, and the new stadium that should be open for the 2005 season. Mark Watson From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 25 09:10:44 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:14:31 2004 Subject: Fw: Billy May, age 87 In-Reply-To: <20040125095356.88682.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005201c3e34d$ae82cae0$0e87fea9@q0002> You CAN use your REAL name here... Mark Time? (Hut 1,2,3,4) -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Mark Time Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:54 AM To: Bob Nelson; RBB; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Cc: JOEHEDIO@prodigy.net; busnrail@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fw: Billy May, age 87 --- Bob Nelson wrote: > --- RBB wrote: > > > We've lost another legend in the music business, > > Billy May, at age 87 in Los Angeles. He > > was also the Musical Director for Stan Freberg's > > radio comedy series in the late-1950's. > > And I'm sure he worked with Freberg on more than > a few of his hit records, too. Yes...KNX had a nice obituary for May late Friday night, mentioning the Freberg show AND the "American history" album they did together. > Oddly enough, there's a connection between Freberg > and the late Miller, too. Would be REALLY spooky if someone can find a connection between Billy May, Ann Miller, and Bob Keeshin. (Besides, of course, that "Captain Kangaroo" joined the CBS TV lineup not long before Freberg's 15 weeks of fame on CBS radio). -- Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Jan 25 09:27:30 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:26:06 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball In-Reply-To: <003e01c3e34b$bc734870$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <000201c3e303$530501f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040125092135.009f67e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Mark Watson wrote: > The Nashua Pride have been on 900 in Nashua for the last couple of seasons >at least. WSMN (1590) has been carrying Red Sox games the last few years, >maybe they'll pick up the NH Fisher Cats instead. What is the future of 1590 though? I understand that both the land the tx site sits on and the studio building have been sold. Not much open space in or around Nashua where you can build a 3-tower DA, and the NIMBYs will make any attempt to do so very costly. That station hasn't made any money in decades...who's gonna pony up the $ necessary to keep it going? This is another one of those stations where the real estate is worth more than the license. From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Jan 25 09:41:54 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:40:34 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <401325C6.8776.964052@localhost> References: <007a01c3e27f$f7ee0100$0e87fea9@q0002> <4011C968.1275.605746@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040125092848.009f2640@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Funny how, when it was Clinton, nobody had any trouble getting >anti-administration ads >aired. I'm not sure why, but the anti-Bush ads seem unusually vicious and mean-spirited. Not sure why this particular president is so loathed by the opposition....the Clintons (especially Hillary) were not exactly favorites of conservatives, but I don't recall this level of venom directed at them. Maybe viewpoint on this depends on your own particular political lean....it's always easy to feel like you're being ignored when your views are out of sync with the majority. >But the problem is that, with media consolidation, it becomes much harder >to get dissenting >ads aired. Funny how the Republicans pushed media consolidation, and the >result is to >silence discussion which opposes their positions. And --who-- signed the telecom act into law?? I'm sure both sides of the aisle got substantial "grease" from the lobbyists. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 25 11:23:34 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:23:41 2004 Subject: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball References: <1074997824.EE785FE@s5.dngr.org> <003001c3e349$bab1ad30$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <001801c3e35f$94ae1220$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I don't think minor league baseball coverage on the radio is programming that is greatly in demand. The Portland Sea Dogs are an extremely successful franchise but most fans don't follow the team on a day to day basis the way fans follow the Red Sox. Fans go to the games and have a great time, but my impression is that the number of fans who care about listening to the team's games when the Sea Dogs are on the road are minimal. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 25 11:29:07 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:29:27 2004 Subject: Nassau Message-ID: <000a01c3e360$62027680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Contrary to what Bob said today on LTAR, I think Nassau is headquartered in central New Jersey--not on Long Island. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 25 12:23:04 2004 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:23:37 2004 Subject: Fw: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball Message-ID: <000f01c3e367$ee68fb60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Strassberg To: SteveOrdinetz Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball > I had heard the same thing. Don't know if it's true. But if WSMN goes dark, > there might be interesting consequences for the future of the WUNR site in > Newton (supposedly also the future home of WKOX and WRCA). As everyone who > reads this list surely knows, the likelihood of any tower construction at > the Newton site is extremely remote due to the delaying tactics of Newton's > NIMBYs. WUNR's proposal to increase its power to 20 kW-U from the proposed > five short shared towers that would replace the two tall ones at the Sawmill > Brook Parkway site would significantly reduce 1600's signal the > north-northwest. The reason for this part of the proposal is that any change > of the type WUNR proposes requires at least a 10% reduction of prohibited > overlaps. In this case, the overlap between WSMN and WUNR is the result of > the FCC's tightening (in the '80s, I believe) of first-adjacent overlap > restrictions. (Such overlaps are grandfathered, but only as long as a > station continues operating without making any changes.) Anyhow, if WSMN no > longer existed, WUNR might be able to increase its power from its two > existing towers. Using the taller towers, It would take less than 14 kW to > produce an RMS field equal to what WUNR would get with 20 kW from the > proposed 200' towers. The limitations on WUNR's power would come from the > 1590 station in Rhode Island and the 1600 Station in E Longmeadow. (If I'm > not mistaken, 1590 in the Portland ME area is long gone.) > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SteveOrdinetz > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: Weber chooses flagship for Manchester baseball > > > > > > > What is the future of 1590 though? I understand that both the land the tx > > site sits on and the studio building have been sold. Not much open space > > in or around Nashua where you can build a 3-tower DA, and the NIMBYs will > > make any attempt to do so very costly. That station hasn't made any money > > in decades...who's gonna pony up the $ necessary to keep it going? This > is > > another one of those stations where the real estate is worth more than the > > license. > > > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 12:40:29 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:40:31 2004 Subject: (Fwd) CBS Censors Winning Ad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040125092848.009f2640@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <401325C6.8776.964052@localhost> Message-ID: <4013B93D.3651.581F97@localhost> On 25 Jan 2004 at 9:41, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I'm not sure why, but the anti-Bush ads seem unusually vicious and > mean-spirited. Not sure why this particular president is so loathed by > the opposition....the Clintons (especially Hillary) were not exactly > favorites of conservatives, but I don't recall this level of venom > directed at them. Funny, I do. > And --who-- signed the telecom act into law?? I'm sure both sides of the > aisle got substantial "grease" from the lobbyists. Yes, I wish Clinton hadn't signed it. But there were a lot of things in the act which both sides thought were good, and Presidents don't get to sign only part of a bill. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 25 12:40:29 2004 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:40:51 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <005101c3e34d$ac407c00$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <401325C6.5744.96415E@localhost> Message-ID: <4013B93D.3671.581FEC@localhost> On 25 Jan 2004 at 9:08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I'm not quite old enough to remember Ch 5 carrying NBC and ABC shows in > there WHDH incarnation. (Wasn't Ch 5 always CBS as WHDH pre 1972?). No, they were originally affiliated with ABC, and Channel 7 was CBS. Sometime around 1961, they became a CBS affiliate, and Channel 7 became ABC. For some reason, when WCVB replaced WHDH-TV on Channel 5, CBS decided to switch their affiliation back to Channel 7. This was considered a blow to WCVB at the time, since ABC was always the third network, but a few years later, ABC became Number One in the national ratings. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 25 14:35:47 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun Jan 25 14:30:15 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <4013B93D.3671.581FEC@localhost> References: <005101c3e34d$ac407c00$0e87fea9@q0002> <401325C6.5744.96415E@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040125143030.02d7b180@gwind.pair.com> At 12:40 PM 1/25/2004 -0500, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >For some reason, when WCVB replaced WHDH-TV on Channel 5, CBS decided to >switch >their affiliation back to Channel 7. This was considered a blow to WCVB >at the time, since >ABC was always the third network, but a few years later, ABC became Number >One in the >national ratings. The concern, as I understand it, was over the prospect of extensive prime-time preemptions of CBS programming on the new channel 5. As part of the promises they made to the FCC to wrest the license from the Herald-Traveler, Boston Broadcasters vowed to maintain an extensive schedule of local documentaries and other local productions, which would inevitably have meant lots of pre-emptions of network fare. CBS didn't want to deal with that, and WNAC-TV was more than happy to give up ABC (the #4 network in a three-network world, as the joke went) for the powerful CBS lineup of the early seventies. By the time ABC began its ratings surge (1977 or thereabouts), many of Boston Broadcasters' initial promises had already begun to fall by the wayside - and in any event, the advent of the Prime-Time Access Rule that limited network programming to three hours nightly between 7 and 11 PM created the "access slot" from 7-8 PM that provided a home for local shows like Chronicle without requiring that network programming be pre-empted. Without having a stack of TV Guides to swear by, I'd guess that by the 1977-1978 season WCVB was pre-empting less than an hour a week of ABC prime-time on average. And of course the sale of WCVB to Metromedia in 1982 meant the end of the rest of the big dreams with which the station was born - no more "Park Street Under" or any of that... s From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 25 14:31:58 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 25 14:35:06 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <4013B93D.3671.581FEC@localhost> Message-ID: <001e01c3e37a$8b7ac520$0e87fea9@q0002> OK, 1961...I was 3, and not really tuning into a whole lot of TV in those days I do remember March 19 1972 very well, I actually got up early to watch the saign-on for the brand new WCVB and thought the new logo was cool....of course, 32 years later, well..... -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH (Randolph MA in'72) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:40 PM To: paul@03038.com; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Network shows that Boston was home On 25 Jan 2004 at 9:08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I'm not quite old enough to remember Ch 5 carrying NBC and ABC shows in > there WHDH incarnation. (Wasn't Ch 5 always CBS as WHDH pre 1972?). No, they were originally affiliated with ABC, and Channel 7 was CBS. Sometime around 1961, they became a CBS affiliate, and Channel 7 became ABC. For some reason, when WCVB replaced WHDH-TV on Channel 5, CBS decided to switch their affiliation back to Channel 7. This was considered a blow to WCVB at the time, since ABC was always the third network, but a few years later, ABC became Number One in the national ratings. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From engineer@the-spa.com Sun Jan 25 18:21:49 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:21:56 2004 Subject: WLVI-DT Gets CP finally & WFXT-DT issues Message-ID: WLVI-DT (Ch. 41 632-638 mHz) had been operating under a Special Temporary Authority at 30kW while waiting for the FCC to issue an original Construction Permit to the DT station. Well the DT CP was issued this week, so WLVI can now go to the full 550kW. Word on the radio-info board is WFXT's analog transmission system "was damaged in a weather related incident" and has been temporarily switching to the DT antenna while the analog line gets repaired, which explains the outages on the WFXT-DT signal. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 25 18:23:43 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:23:51 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary Message-ID: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> WCSH-TV has had anchor Pat Callahan broadcasting live from NH since last Tuesday. For most of that time, they have also had a second reporter there. The only recent Maine story that I can think of that they have put this much resources into was the church poisonings in New Sweden. On tonight's 6:00 PM broadcast, 6 of the 9 minutes used for news were used to cover the NH Primary and there wasn't nothing said that won't be repeated on the network news at 6:30. What an incredible waste of resources. Now I know the Portland TV stations get into New Hampshire but the Portland stations rarely cover anything but the headlines from NH and never cover NH politics. I would understand this coverage if I actually thought most of their viewers were interested but I don't think most Maine people are excited over the NH primary and they certainly don't consider what is happening in NH to be local news. What this is about is ego. The station and the station's reporters want to be a big deal by covering the Presidential race. Tonight they spent two minutes interviewing Tom Brokaw and other NBC correspondents. I'm sure they'll be telling their colleagues all week what the big boys were really like. Their coverage might be worthwhile if they provided something that couldn't be found elsewhere, like the involvement of Maine people in the NH campaigns, but instead they do they same horserace coverage that can be seen on the network news or on cable. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 18:37:13 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:36:11 2004 Subject: WCAP "Sidewalk Studio" Closed, New 'Afternoon Live" Co-Host Message-ID: <003e01c3e39c$28d30ff0$64f88018@markscomputer> Changes at WCAP (980 Lowell) : "Afternoon Live" host Gary Francis left the show of his own accord this past week. Francis told the Lowell Sun that he was tired of doing the show. The show had been originating from the WCAP "Sidewalk Studio" inside Gary's Ice Cream's Downtown Lowell location. The sidewalk studio is now gone(but the ice cream will return soon after remodeling). Francis will continue to be heard on WCAP, via his nightly "Music & Memories Overnight" show (via voicetracked liners) and will continue to handle production duties. And once the warmer weather gets here (which I hope is soon), maybe his "Saturday Night Sock Hop" will return for another year. Replacing Gary Francis on "Afternoon Live" is Regina Faticanti, who is leaving her morning show co-host spot. The article in today's Lowell Sun weekly political and news/gossip column referred to Francis as WCAP's only "true broadcast professional", which I beg to differ with. PD/ sports voice Ryan Johnston has an AP award for best sports play by play for his work on Lowell Lock Monsters Hockey (phone line quality not a factor). I consider him to be a broadcast professional. Disclaimer: I have appeared as an occasional in studio fill in co-host on "Afternoon Live" several times since the show's inception in April 2002. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 18:47:24 2004 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:46:21 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary References: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <004c01c3e39d$9515cb70$64f88018@markscomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary > WCSH-TV has had anchor Pat Callahan broadcasting live from NH since last > Tuesday. For most of that time, they have also had a second reporter there. > On tonight's 6:00 PM broadcast, 6 of the 9 minutes used for news were used > to cover the NH Primary and there wasn't nothing said that won't be repeated > on the network news at 6:30. What an incredible waste of resources. Boston's NBC affiliate, WHDH (Channel 7) spent the first 12 minutes of tonight's 6 PM news on the NH Primary, with their #1 anchor team of Randy Price (in Bedford NH) and Caterina Bandini (in Boston). Much of what they reported I'm sure Tom Brokaw and company will rehash at 6:30. Yes I agree it is a waste of resources, but that's the news biz for you. FWIW, Channel 7 gave about 5 or 6 minutes to the Patriots departing for Houston to get ready for next Sunday's Super Bowl. By mid-week, the entire WHDH on air sports crew will be in Houston. The other Boston TV stations are sending most of their sports anchors/reporters there, keeping one back home in the studio. Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 25 18:52:14 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:52:18 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary References: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <004c01c3e39d$9515cb70$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <004301c3e39e$420e09a0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: Re: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary > FWIW, Channel 7 gave about 5 or 6 minutes to the Patriots departing for > Houston to get ready for next Sunday's Super Bowl. By mid-week, the entire > WHDH on air sports crew will be in Houston. The other Boston TV stations are > sending most of their sports anchors/reporters there, keeping one back home > in the studio. But that, at least, is market driven. Everywhere I go, I hear people talking about the Pats. I don't hear many talking about the NH primary. Plus, in Boston, the Pats are a local story. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Jan 25 18:59:15 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:59:19 2004 Subject: More local TV in Maine? Message-ID: <004f01c3e39f$3d25f9b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> The link below will take you to a Maine Sunday Telegram story about the growth of locally produced TV show in Maine. IMHO, the author is stretching to call a handful of local shows a trend. http://www.pressherald.com/audience/stories/040125tvstory.shtml From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Jan 25 19:06:57 2004 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Jan 25 19:05:34 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary In-Reply-To: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040125190330.00a513f0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Billings wrote: > I would understand this coverage if I actually thought most of >their viewers were interested but I don't think most Maine people are >excited over the NH primary and they certainly don't consider what is >happening in NH to be local news. Other than the political junkies and the sales reps with political accounts, I don't think there are all that many N.H. people excited about the primary either. I'll be glad after Tuesday when the only pre-recorded messages left on my answering machine are from the satellite tv salesmen. From paul@03038.com Sun Jan 25 20:40:35 2004 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Jan 25 20:40:35 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary In-Reply-To: <004c01c3e39d$9515cb70$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <003301c3e3ad$98170a40$0e87fea9@q0002> However, unlike Portland, I would say that a hign % of NH residents would be wathing the Boston outlets, especially those whose networks are not within NH as well. So it does make a little more sense (IMHO) for the Boston stations to give more coverage than the Portland stations. -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Mark Watson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:47 PM To: Dan Billings; Boston Radio Subject: Re: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary > WCSH-TV has had anchor Pat Callahan broadcasting live from NH since last > Tuesday. For most of that time, they have also had a second reporter there. > On tonight's 6:00 PM broadcast, 6 of the 9 minutes used for news were used > to cover the NH Primary and there wasn't nothing said that won't be repeated > on the network news at 6:30. What an incredible waste of resources. Boston's NBC affiliate, WHDH (Channel 7) spent the first 12 minutes of tonight's 6 PM news on the NH Primary, with their #1 anchor team of Randy Price (in Bedford NH) and Caterina Bandini (in Boston). Much of what they reported I'm sure Tom Brokaw and company will rehash at 6:30. Yes I agree it is a waste of resources, but that's the news biz for you. FWIW, Channel 7 gave about 5 or 6 minutes to the Patriots departing for Houston to get ready for next Sunday's Super Bowl. By mid-week, the entire WHDH on air sports crew will be in Houston. The other Boston TV stations are sending most of their sports anchors/reporters there, keeping one back home in the studio. Mark Watson From petef@sprynet.com Sun Jan 25 22:45:47 2004 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Sun Jan 25 22:45:58 2004 Subject: Bob Keeshan In-Reply-To: <401325C6.30559.963FF1@localhost> Message-ID: <03f201c3e3be$e3248a60$0200a8c0@wb2qll> It was my privilege to interview Bob Keeshan on radio a few years ago in connection with the release of his book, and a local signing ceremony. As has been described elsewhere he spoke of the importance of parents to take an active part in the raising of their children. Didn't really have a solution for what to do with those parents that don't. Perhaps a general societal expectation that parents do talk, read, and spend time with their kids is the best answer. We spent some time reminiscing about the show of course, and since Norwich was part of the station's coverage I asked why he moved there, though I don't recall the answer. Since I was once a devoted viewer, it was good to be able to tell him that I enjoyed watching him during a time in my life when few other things were enjoyable. I've no memory of his previous clownings. Although thousands of people have conveyed such appreciations to him, at the time of someone's passing one thinks of missed opportunities and I'm glad I didn't miss this one. There was another case where someone had done an extensive article on an antenna design in a radio magazine, and twenty years later I built it, it worked great, and I happened to run across the author and told him. Glad I did because he died a few months later and since he was my age it was a quite a surprise. To reinforce what I guess most of us already know, I checked a number of Bob Keeshan obits this weekend in various newspapers on the web. They placed his death at his home in Hartford, Quechee, Windsor, and several other places around the Upper Valley, in addition to Norwich. The Hartford town/village confusion is common, but shows how often simple things are beyond them. Also unacceptable for a newspaper that does a fairly lengthy obit is to place the death or residence in "Vermont" without even bothering to specify where, as several did. Could be the initial reports were garbled and the editors chose to skip the town rather than get it wrong, which makes sense. However, I've noticed many times over the years that some people in other parts of the country regard both VT and NH as being some vague and interchangeable region with no towns or cities, just picturesque little settlements that are somehow undifferentiated. -Pete Enfield, NH From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Mon Jan 26 10:29:57 2004 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:30:04 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040124163456.023e4730@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040124163456.023e4730@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <40153275.7060207@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Donna Halper wrote: > At 01:01 PM 1/24/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >> Somebody asked me a question this week if Boston was home for any >> regular network show. > > > Yeah, "St. Elsewhere" was supposed to be shot in Boston, but it was > really shot in LA. And wasn't "The Practice" also supposed to be shot > here, but again, it used exteriors from Boston but did the series > itself on the west coast... > > > What was the series on Fox that starred Michael O'Keefe as a lawyer named, IIRC, Mack Heath? I believe that it's production was based here. O'Keefe was, at the time, married to a Boston-based redhead named Bonnie Raitt -- could still be, for all I know. Tony From sid.whitaker@unh.edu Mon Jan 26 10:43:30 2004 From: sid.whitaker@unh.edu (Robert A Whitaker) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:43:34 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary In-Reply-To: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <1075131810.401535a2b2862@webmail.unh.edu> As someone who covered the 2000 NH primary for WCSH, let's get a few things straight about why the station is in Manchester for a week and engaging in what Dan Billings calls "an incredible waste of resources." WCSH spends between $15,000-$20,000 to provide coverage of the NH primary from Manchester. As most of us know, TV stations don't spend this kind of money without guarantee of a solid return. What is it? 1) Corporate benefits. This year, three Democratic candidates hail from states where Gannett owns TV stations: Wesley Clark, Arkansas: (KTHV-TV Little Rock) John Edwards, N. Carolina: (WFMY-TV Greensboro) (Gannett also owns WLTX-TV, Columbia, SC; Edwards is a native of South Carolina) Dick Gephardt, Missouri (KSDK-TV St. Louis) These stations all send reporters to NH to cover the candidates, so WCSH's Manchester bureau serves as something of a Gannett-TV "headquarters" for crews in NH. They all use WCSH equipment to shoot, write, edit, feed stories, and do live shots. Along with the WCSH crew, there are probably about 20 people working out of the WCSH hotel suite. (I don't know if KSDK still sent people to NH after Gephardt dropped out.) This arrangement pays off for everyone because it saves corporate and the other stations the expense of each station sending more people, more equipment, and renting more space. Gannett is big on teamwork and sharing resources. This is a perfect example of that. Corporate was very happy with the NH coverage system in 2000. Gannett stations from Arizona and Tennessee sent staff to Manchester to cover John McCain and Al Gore's campaigns in NH and did live shots from WCSH's bureau. That's the main reason WCSH is there. If corporate thought it a waste of resources, WCSH wouldn't go. Second, let's not forget WCSH is only 35 miles from New Hampshire; the northern 1/3rd of the state is part of the Portland/Lewiston DMA. WCSH has tens of thousands of viewers in New Hampshire, from Portsmouth-Dover-Rochester in the seacoast to Laconia in the Lakes Region, much of the Concord area, and the entire northern part of the state, where it is the primary NBC service. There are people watching who are interested. Third, what's happening in NH is important, Mainers do care, and yes, they are talking about what's going on. What's wrong with trying to exceed viewers' expectations? I hear a lot of complaints about stations curtailing political news coverage, running more fluffy J-Lo and Ben stories, and all but ignoring serious political issues. It's not a perfect world and that is true with some stations, but what's wrong with taking politics seriously and thinking a major presidential primary in a city 70 miles away is worth a lot of time and money, especially when it benefits several group-owned stations? The facts are this: management likes it, corporate likes it, and advertisers like it. WCSH's newscasts are sold out. Do the viewers like it? Take a look at the ratings... > What this is about is ego. The station and the station's reporters want to > be a big deal by covering the Presidential race. Tonight they spent two > minutes interviewing Tom Brokaw and other NBC correspondents. I'm sure > they'll be telling their colleagues all week what the big boys were really > like. > Who wouldn't enjoy it? After you've stood through -50 windchills in Greenville, seen more body bags than you care to, and done a lot of "StormCenter" at 5 in the morning, covering the NH primary and meeting those guys is part of what makes the job fun. Maybe it is "about ego" for some people. There's a little bit of that in all of us. I suspect the real reason they interviewed Tom Brokaw and Tim Russert was about Clark's appearance on Meet the Press (where he got roasted) and Dean's snub of an invitation to spend the full hour on the show. Sounds like news to me. > Their coverage might be worthwhile if they provided something that couldn't > be found elsewhere, like the involvement of Maine people in the NH > campaigns, but instead they do they same horserace coverage that can be seen > on the network news or on cable. > The facts paint a different picture. WCSH did a story on the 400+ Mainers working on the Dean campaign in NH Saturday night...and which network or cable news outlet has sat down with Andy Smith at the UNH survey center for a behind-the-scenes look at how a polling operation works? Sid Whitaker former WCSH-TV reporter From prowe@att.com Mon Jan 26 10:59:30 2004 From: prowe@att.com (Rowe, Paul, CCARE) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:59:38 2004 Subject: Urei Compressor Search Message-ID: <63900247C5D4744DADB9331BA711BA1505225707@KCCLUST05EVS1.ugd.att.com> -----Original Message----- From: woods [mailto:woods@nbnet.nb.ca] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:48 AM To: Rowe, Paul, CCARE Subject: Urei Compressor Search Hello, I am from St. Andrews, NB, Canada. When I look out my front window I can see Eastport, Maine across the Passamaquoddy Bay I studied recording engineering 17 years ago and am just now beginning to pursue my dream of building a recording studio. I worked a bit in radio for the CBC and some private stations in New Brunswick. I am wondering if you might know where I could get my hands on some old UREI compressors from anyone that you know was in radio in the day when they were used? Thanks, Woods From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 18:42:23 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Jan 26 18:42:26 2004 Subject: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary References: <003801c3e39a$464d84e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <1075131810.401535a2b2862@webmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <001101c3e466$0c0e3280$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A Whitaker" To: "Dan Billings" Cc: "boston-radio-interest" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: "Local" news coverage of the NH Primary > This arrangement pays off for everyone because it saves corporate and the other > stations the expense of each station sending more people, more equipment, and > renting more space. Gannett is big on teamwork and sharing resources. That makes sense. Not something I had considered. > Second, let's not forget WCSH is only 35 miles from New Hampshire; the northern > 1/3rd of the state is part of the Portland/Lewiston DMA. WCSH has tens of > thousands of viewers in New Hampshire, from Portsmouth-Dover-Rochester in the > seacoast to Laconia in the Lakes Region, much of the Concord area, and the > entire northern part of the state, where it is the primary NBC service. > There are people watching who are interested. I would buy that reasoning if WCSH usually covered NH politics as if it was part of the local coverage area. NH had a hot Senate race last year that helped decide control of the US Senate and an open race for Governor. WCSH's coverage of those races was sporadic, at best. My guess is the combined coverage of NH politics in the whole year of 2002 all added together did not equal the coverage of in the last week of the NH primary. > Third, what's happening in NH is important, Mainers do care, and yes, they are > talking about what's going on. What's wrong with trying to exceed viewers' > expectations? I hear a lot of complaints about stations curtailing political > news coverage, running more fluffy J-Lo and Ben stories, and all but ignoring > serious political issues. Maine has a huge budget problem. Today, the Governor proposed reinstating a discredited hospital tax and match scheme that was part of Maine's budget problems in the early 1990's. The story was not covered by WCSH tonight. I am the last person to argue against political coverage, but how about covering things that viewers can't get on the network news or the cable networks? > Sid Whitaker > former WCSH-TV reporter aka Robert A Whitaker now that he's an academic. ;-) And guess where he is spending his time these days? ;-) -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From engineer@the-spa.com Mon Jan 26 19:34:35 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:34:44 2004 Subject: Tragic News: NY Fire (This is radio related) Message-ID: A fire at the residence of the Chief Engineer of WAMC 90.3 in Albany tragically kills three people. A fire in Germantown, NY, just outside of Albany, NY tragically killed 11 Year Old Carrie Schofield, 55 year old Linda Forstrom, and Linda's 13 year old daughter Mara Mahig. Surviving the fire with severe burns was 53 yr old James Schofield, 38 yr old Korrena Salerno and their son 13 yr old Jim Schofield. James Schofield is the Chief Engineer WAMC 90.3 Full article here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=4063808&p1=0 --Mike Fitzpatrick. From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 26 20:20:36 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:20:48 2004 Subject: Tragic News: NY Fire (This is radio related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3e473$c547e0e0$0300a8c0@boneill> Mike writes: > A fire at the residence of the Chief Engineer of WAMC 90.3 in Albany > tragically kills three people. How tragic. The article says that there is a fund set up for the family: "The station was [sic] established a fund to assist the Scholefield family at HSBC Bank. Donations can be sent to: The Scholefield Family Relief Fund, c/o HSBC Bank, 899 Western Avenue, Albany, N.Y., 12203." Bill O'Neill From engineer@the-spa.com Mon Jan 26 20:59:11 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Mon Jan 26 20:59:20 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040124153431.0263f390@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Weil >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:35 PM >Sesame Street and Nova are two that come to mind. Sesame Street was based in New York City, not Boston. The original sound stage is now on display in the NY State Museum in Albany, NY. --Mike From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 21:08:32 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:08:36 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home References: Message-ID: <002301c3e47a$76f1d890$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fitzpatrick, Mike" To: "'Larry Weil'" ; "'Boston Radio Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: RE: Network shows that Boston was home > Sesame Street was based in New York City, not Boston. Zoom was based in Boston. From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 26 21:30:38 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:30:54 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <002301c3e47a$76f1d890$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000501c3e47d$8d769670$0300a8c0@boneill> Dan writes: > Zoom was based in Boston. Did Zoom go off the air? Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 21:36:03 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:36:09 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home References: <000501c3e47d$8d769670$0300a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <002c01c3e47e$4f25dec0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Dan Billings'" ; "'Fitzpatrick, Mike'" ; "'Larry Weil'" ; "'Boston Radio Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: RE: Network shows that Boston was home > Did Zoom go off the air? The original one did. I don't know if the new Zoom is still on or not. I'm not in their target demo. From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 26 21:44:18 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:44:23 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <002c01c3e47e$4f25dec0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000701c3e47f$765ece10$0300a8c0@boneill> Dan B. writes: > The original one did. I don't know if the new Zoom is still > on or not. I'm > not in their target demo. No desire to come on and Zoom? Pity. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 26 22:05:55 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:05:59 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home References: <000701c3e47f$765ece10$0300a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <003f01c3e482$7b32bcf0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Dan Billings'" ; "'Boston Radio Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: RE: Network shows that Boston was home > No desire to come on and Zoom? Pity. I was never a big Zoom fan. I thought the matching sweaters were queer. I was more of an Electric Company kid. I still can't take Morgan Freeman seriously. From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 26 22:14:16 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:14:23 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <003f01c3e482$7b32bcf0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000801c3e483$a619c020$0300a8c0@boneill> Dan B: > I was never a big Zoom fan. I thought the matching sweaters > were queer. I > was more of an Electric Company kid. I still can't take > Morgan Freeman > seriously. Electric Company's memorable open, "Hey you GUYS!" got the job done. I couldn't understand how those Zoom kids could remain so happy while being involved in lame arts and crafts stuff and then sitting in a circle and "sharing." I was hope for at least one kid to get up, brush off the plaster of paris and blurt, "That's it. This sucks. Taxi!" Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Mon Jan 26 22:17:36 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:17:44 2004 Subject: Transmitters & Temp Message-ID: <000901c3e484$1da90ce0$0300a8c0@boneill> Is there a temp at which transmitters become too cold to keep on crankin'? I know that most units generate their own heat, coupled with auxiliary heaters in transmitter shacks. Also, how about units without finals as heat generators. Does that mean the need for a beefier aux heating system? Bill O'Neill -11F, Shoreham, Vt. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 26 22:40:36 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:35:03 2004 Subject: Network shows that Boston was home In-Reply-To: <000801c3e483$a619c020$0300a8c0@boneill> References: <003f01c3e482$7b32bcf0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040126223800.02e01178@gwind.pair.com> At 10:14 PM 1/26/2004 -0500, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Dan B: > > I was never a big Zoom fan. I thought the matching sweaters > > were queer. I > > was more of an Electric Company kid. I still can't take > > Morgan Freeman > > seriously. > >Electric Company's memorable open, "Hey you GUYS!" got the job done. I >couldn't >understand how those Zoom kids could remain so happy while being involved in >lame arts and crafts stuff and then sitting in a circle and "sharing." I was >hope for at least one kid to get up, brush off the plaster of paris and blurt, >"That's it. This sucks. Taxi!" If I've not mentioned it before on this list, Mrs. Fybush's side project for the last year and a half (well, her OTHER side project ;-) has been writing a book about The Electric Company. We've been to NYC several times and LA once to interview cast members (most of them - Messrs. Freeman and Cosby have been harder to get a hold of, of course), producers, writers and such. It's brought back a LOT of memories for me! s From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 26 23:52:20 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Jan 26 23:46:46 2004 Subject: Transmitters & Temp In-Reply-To: <000901c3e484$1da90ce0$0300a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040126234808.02e4a278@gwind.pair.com> At 10:17 PM 1/26/2004 -0500, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Is there a temp at which transmitters become too cold to keep on crankin'? I >know that most units generate their own heat, coupled with auxiliary >heaters in >transmitter shacks. Also, how about units without finals as heat generators. >Does that mean the need for a beefier aux heating system? > >Bill O'Neill >-11F, Shoreham, Vt. We're at a balmy minus 11 here too...Celsius, that is. (+12 F). Nicest conditions we've had in a couple of weeks. Just about to put on a pair of shorts and go for a jog 'round the block. As for transmitters, cold usually just isn't an issue; transmitters - even solid-state ones - get nice and toasty inside when they're running. Heat is a much bigger issue. Most transmitter sites are air-conditioned pretty extensively in the summer, and in the winter they have vents to let in the cool outside air. s From engineer@the-spa.com Tue Jan 27 01:27:52 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Tue Jan 27 01:28:01 2004 Subject: Transmitters & Temp In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040126234808.02e4a278@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: In the cold weather, we've never opened the outside louvers, we can change over our heat exchangers to take indoor air (from the heat exchanger room) as the intake. The main reason is we run a 80kW water cooled UHF IOT transmitter, and should something fail (oh like a water pump , power failure with no Generator fire up or even the transmitter it self) and that outside air is blowing in on the water elements, they will freeze rather quickly and cause a really big mess. We have two heat exchangers in a building that used to be studios, offices, and control, so the heat exchangers serve a dual purpose in providing heat to the building as well. This means during Sunday nights, in to Monday mornings when we normally would "sign off" (removing the RF drive to the tubes, thus cooling them down significantly) we just run a mostly black slide (A slide with a Legal ID on it). Since the studios are now abandoned for the new facility, we do keep most of the temps down, however we still need to keep a close eye on all the water flows, and after last winter's water breaks, have basically capped off all water in the building to all but a utility closet and Bathroom. The transmitter cooling, which is a mix of Glycol and distilled water, has it's own reservoir which is checked weekly. We did have a problem (of poor design) where the AC in the transmitter room just could not handle the heat load, and finally this summer after another 90+ degree day (IN the transmitter room, no less), where the unit just quit, we had proper high velocity AC installed, and the room never rose above 70? in the summer. Now what does suffer even more than Transmitters are satellite dishes, which have motors and gearing outside in the frigid cold temps. We had to replace this year Motor Grease in the dishes to compensate for the lower temps. Not to mention someone going outside (usually a production assistant) and cleaning snow off of the old dishes using a home-brew dish cleaning device... Just a peak to the inside world of WWLP :-) --Mike Fitzpatrick From SSatosky@upi.umaryland.edu Tue Jan 27 13:01:53 2004 From: SSatosky@upi.umaryland.edu (Satosky-Cignatta, Suzanne) Date: Tue Jan 27 13:03:00 2004 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Suzanne Satosky Cignatta UPI Finance Phone (410) 328-9135 Fax (410) 328-1091 From SSatosky@upi.umaryland.edu Tue Jan 27 13:02:32 2004 From: SSatosky@upi.umaryland.edu (Satosky-Cignatta, Suzanne) Date: Tue Jan 27 13:03:33 2004 Subject: Recall: Message-ID: Satosky-Cignatta, Suzanne would like to recall the message, "". From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 27 15:37:59 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:38:18 2004 Subject: Late-night talk show pioneer Jack Paar dies at 85 Message-ID: <1075235881.1D0D2E70@w37.dngr.org> The former owner of Channel 8 in Poland Springs and NBC late night talk host Jack Parr has died http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/158791p-139359c.html From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 27 18:24:44 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:24:50 2004 Subject: There's gotta be a better way to make a living.... Message-ID: <005901c3e52c$bfc36040$0300a8c0@boneill> Jack Paar, rest in peace. While I was a wee too young to remember Jack on Tonight, I've been glued to any and all programs about his tenure on the program. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 27 18:33:44 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:33:49 2004 Subject: Hearst-Argyle Television buys WMTW Message-ID: <001d01c3e52e$018ed4e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> As predicted: Hearst-Argyle Television announced on Monday it has agreed to pay $37.5 million in cash for WMTW-TV, Portland's ABC affiliate. Good riddance Harron. http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1617929 From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 18:40:50 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:35:16 2004 Subject: Fwd: Super Bowl on Boston TV Stations over the years Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127184027.02e377d8@gwind.pair.com> An Archives reader passed along this handy list of Super Bowls on Boston TV over the years... s >Here are some Suoer Bowls that aired in Boston over the years > >Super Bowl 1- KC-GB- WBZ 4/WHDH 5- (1/15/67) >Super Bowl 2-GB-OAK- WBZ 4 (1/14/68) >Super Bowl 3- NYJ-BAL- WBZ 4 (1/12/69) >Super Bowl 4- KC-MIN- WHDH 5- (1/11/70) >Super Bowl 5- DAL-BAL- WBZ 4- (1/10/71) >Super Bowl 6- DAL-MIA- WHDH 5- (1/9/72)- Last Super Bowl on the old channel 5 >Super Bowl 7- WAS-MIA- WBZ 4- (1/14/73) >Super Bowl 8- MIA-MIN- WNAC 7- (1/13/74)- First Super Bowl for Channel 7 >Super Bowl 9- PIT-MIN- WBZ 4- (1/12/75) >Super Bowl 10- DAL-PIT- WNAC 7- (1/18/76) >Super Bowl 11- OAK-MIN- WBZ 4- (1/9/77) >Super Bowl 12- DAL-DEN- WNAC 7- (1/15/78) >Super Bowl 13- DAL-PIT- WBZ 4- (1/21/79) >Super Bowl 14- LARAM-PIT- WNAC 7- (1/20/80) >Super Bowl 15- PHI-OAK- WBZ 4- (1/25/81) >Super Bowl 16- SF-CIN- WNAC 7- (1/24/82) >Super Bowl 17- MIA-WAS- WBZ 4- (1/30/83) >Super Bowl 18- LARAI-WAS- WNEV 7- (1/22/84) >Super Bowl 19- SF-MIA- WCVB 5- (1/20/85) >Super Bowl 20- NE-CHI- WBZ 4- (1/26/86) >Super Bowl 21-NYG-DEN- WNEV 7- (1/25/87) >Super Bowl 22-WAS-DEN- WCVB 5- (1/24/88) >Super Bowl 23- SF-CIN- WBZ 4- (1/22/89) >Super Bowl 24- SF-DEN- WNEV 7- (1/28/90) >Super Bowl 25- NYG-BUF- WCVB 5- (1/27/91) >Super Bowl 26- WAS-BUF- WHDH 7- (1/26/92) >Super Bowl 27- DAL-BUF- WBZ 4- (1/31/93) >Super Bowl 28- DAL-BUF- WBZ 4- (1/30/94) >Super Bowl 29- SF-SD- WCVB 5- (1/29/95) >Super Bowl 30- DAL-PIT- WHDH 7- (1/28/96) >Super Bowl 31- NE-GB- WFXT 25- (1/26/97) >Super Bowl 32- DEN-GB- WHDH 7- (1/25/98) >Super Bowl 33- DEN-ATL- WFXT 25- (1/31/99) >Super Bowl 34- STL-TEN- WCVB 5- (1/30/00) >Super Bowl 35- NYG-BAL- WBZ 4- (1/28/01) >Super Bowl 36- NE-STL- WFXT 25- (2/3/02)- Big CHAMP for our boys >Super Bowl 37- OAK-TB- WCVB 5- (1/26/03) >Super Bowl 38- NE-CAR- WBZ 4- (2/1/04) > >Number of Super Bowls each TV station in Boston has carried >WBZ 4- 16 >WHDH 5/WCVB 5- 9 >WNAC 7/WNEV 7/WHDH 7- 11 >WFXT 25- 3 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ > From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 27 18:40:45 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:40:58 2004 Subject: Hearst-Argyle Television buys WMTW In-Reply-To: <001d01c3e52e$018ed4e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001d01c3e52e$018ed4e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <1075246849.1AC74793@s29.dngr.org> Ironic on the day Jack Parr died On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 6:39pm, Dan Billings wrote: > As predicted: > > Hearst-Argyle Television announced on Monday it has agreed to pay $37.5 > million in cash for WMTW-TV, Portland's ABC affiliate. > > Good riddance Harron. > > http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1617929 From billo@shoreham.net Tue Jan 27 20:47:22 2004 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:47:38 2004 Subject: Jack Paar Message-ID: <006701c3e540$ad35aeb0$0300a8c0@boneill> Here's a great site on the late great Jack Paar... http://www.jackpaar.com/ He spoke of his desire to keep the volume and talk levels down to be considerate of the late night viewers. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Jan 27 21:26:13 2004 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:20:03 2004 Subject: Hearst-Argyle Television buys WMTW Message-ID: <200401272126.AA2349662414@mail.ttlc.net> "Dan Billings" penned: >Hearst-Argyle Television announced on Monday it >has agreed to pay $37.5 million in cash for WMTW- >TV, Portland's ABC affiliate. Same day as the death of former owner Jack Paar? From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 22:05:05 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 27 21:59:31 2004 Subject: NH Primary over-the-air coverage disappoints Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127215401.02ee4068@gwind.pair.com> News junkie that I am, and NH Primary junkie in particular (remember, I cut my radio news teeth at WCAP during the Year of Tsongas), I've spent most of the evening in front of the computer with C-SPAN blaring away on the TV, flipping around a bit to CNN and MSNBC. It's been fun watching WMUR's coverage. But about 9:30 I had to go downstairs to the kitchen for a bit (OK, yes, I hadn't had dinner yet.) I don't have cable in the kitchen, so first thing I did was to flip 'round the broadcast dial. Nothing - even as John Kerry was making his celebratory speech. Not even on NBC, which allegedly was to be doing an hour from 9-10 on the primary (it somehow turned into a bunch of Dateline repeats.) Next stop - the radio. You'd think, out of five local stations doing news and talk, that I could find SOMETHING, right? Nope - WHAM is running Michael Savage on tape-delay. WROC 950 is running someone else on tape delay. WYSL 1040's in the AP All News wheel. WHTK 1280 is in ESPN Radio. And even my local NPR, WXXI 1370, isn't carrying NPR coverage - it's doing the usual rebroadcast of Bob Smith's talk show from earlier in the day. Pull out the 2010 and see what the skywaves are bringing in. First stop, of course, is 1030 - but they're doing Bruins. (C'mon, guys, you can't bump the game to WODS once every four years???) WCBS? In the newswheel, doing sports. WBBM? Ditto. I finally ended up, of all places, on WBT from Charlotte, which was carrying the Kerry speech. I feel bad for any news junkies without cable or satellite tonight...I sure hope local viewers/listeners in New England have some better choices than I do. (Indeed, I see from their websites that NHPR and WBUR are doing live coverage, and I would hope the WGIR network is, too, though I can't tell from their website, which still includes a link to "name the new Manchester baseball team." How about the Fisher Cats?) s From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 27 22:02:31 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:02:38 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? Message-ID: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I was looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 22:14:32 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:08:58 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127221407.02eebcb0@gwind.pair.com> At 10:02 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I was >looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. Presumably because it's bumped off channel 4 for NH primary coverage. I'm sure neither UPN viewer was pleased tonight... s From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 27 22:12:33 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:12:34 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <000501c3e54c$92725ef0$59464742@Sean> I wrote: << Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I was looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. >> It took a few seconds for the odometer to click and realize, yes, this was primary night. But as Scott said in another message ... the networks are doing virtually nothing on this. I guess having a sister station to bail out of programming for helps encourage WBZ to do such pre-empting but I'm still surprised they'd blow out their regular programming and not put the primary coverage on Channel 38 instead. From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 27 22:14:50 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:15:03 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <1075259693.276DF254@s5.dngr.org> Yes because 4 is doing news so they put Amy on 38 On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:08pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I > was > looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 27 22:15:32 2004 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:16:54 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <3B820878-5140-11D8-8E93-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Jan 27, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I > was looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. Since New Hampshire primary coverage is on WBZ, they bumped CBS programming to WSBK. You'll not see much news tonight on any station other than primary coverage I think. Paul From mlaurence@mindspring.com Tue Jan 27 22:17:47 2004 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:17:36 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127221407.02eebcb0@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <8C1CB260-5140-11D8-8FD8-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Tuesday, January 27, 2004, at 10:14 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > At 10:02 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >> Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I >> was >> looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. > > Presumably because it's bumped off channel 4 for NH primary coverage. > > I'm sure neither UPN viewer was pleased tonight... I'm very impressed...my TiVo picked up on the change and switched the recording of Judging Amy from WBZ to WSBK, all by itself. Earlier today, the program grid still had it on WBZ, so this was a real last minute switch. Mark From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 27 22:17:47 2004 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:19:25 2004 Subject: NH Primary over-the-air coverage disappoints In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127215401.02ee4068@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127215401.02ee4068@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <8C0F3CDC-5140-11D8-8E93-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Jan 27, 2004, at 10:05 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > I feel bad for any news junkies without cable or satellite tonight...I > sure hope local viewers/listeners in New England have some better > choices than I do. Channels 4, 5 and 7 carried the Kerry speech live, although channel 4 broke away after a while to show the other candidates' speeches too. Paul From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 22:28:08 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:22:34 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000501c3e54c$92725ef0$59464742@Sean> References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127222504.02f06288@gwind.pair.com> At 10:12 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >I wrote: ><< Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I >was looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. >> > >It took a few seconds for the odometer to click and realize, yes, this >was primary night. > >But as Scott said in another message ... the networks are doing >virtually nothing on this. I guess having a sister station to bail out >of programming for helps encourage WBZ to do such pre-empting but I'm >still surprised they'd blow out their regular programming and not put >the primary coverage on Channel 38 instead. I think it's a defensible decision - the news image is channel 4's, not channel 38's, and it's not as though Tuesday is a particularly strong lineup for CBS. As channel 38's "superstation" reach has diminished, the number of homes like Sean's that get 38 but not 4 has got to be pretty minimal (IIRC, Sean gets it only because he's on a goofy Penn State master antenna/satellite system) - I know 38 is still on cable in Burlington VT, but it's long gone anywhere in upstate NY. Does Maine still get 38? Connecticut? s From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 27 22:28:35 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:28:40 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? References: <8C1CB260-5140-11D8-8FD8-000393D13824@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <005f01c3e54e$d01c47f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Laurence" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Channel 38 and CBS? > I'm very impressed...my TiVo picked up on the change and switched the > recording of Judging Amy from WBZ to WSBK, all by itself. Earlier > today, the program grid still had it on WBZ, so this was a real last > minute switch. Very cool. The networks have broken in regularly with updates. That's good enough for me. Doesn't three-quarters of the country have cable or satellite TV now? No reason to force Democrats on everyone. ;-) Does anyone else think John Edwards sounds like Dr. Phil? I know he doesn't look like him, but when Edwards really gets going he has an inflection that is just like Phil when he goes on one of his rants. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Jan 27 22:34:38 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:34:49 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127222504.02f06288@gwind.pair.com> References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> <5.1.0.14.0.20040127222504.02f06288@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1075260881.211C50E2@s29.dngr.org> I am curious if the out of market areas were blacked out when the Sox were on? Burlington no doubt was because they carry NESN, but what say Penn State or Newfoundland? On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:29pm, Scott Fybush wrote: > > As channel 38's "superstation" reach has diminished, the number of > homes like Sean's that get 38 but not 4 has got to be pretty minimal > (IIRC, Sean gets it only because he's on a goofy Penn State master > antenna/satellite system) - I know 38 is still on cable in Burlington > VT, but it's long gone anywhere in upstate NY. Does Maine still get 38? > Connecticut? > > s From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Jan 27 22:35:06 2004 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:35:11 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> <5.1.0.14.0.20040127222504.02f06288@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <006801c3e54f$b95b6ea0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Sean Smyth" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: RE: Channel 38 and CBS? > At 10:12 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Does Maine still get 38? It is still on some systems but is gone from most of them in southern and central Maine due to conflicts with UPN 35 and syndicated programming on other Maine stations. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Jan 27 22:37:17 2004 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:37:16 2004 Subject: WNNW 800 (Do they ever change to night power anymore?) Message-ID: <003601c3e550$0a833060$6400a8c0@AMD> Over the past couple weeks, I have noticed that 800 WNNW in Lowell has remained very strong at night. Normally, I would receive CJAD Montreal or CKLW Windsor, ON. Didn't WNNW have trouble shutting down at night a few years ago when they were on 1110 as well? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Jan 27 22:52:20 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:52:31 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <1075260881.211C50E2@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000601c3e552$21843fa0$59464742@Sean> Kevin writes: << I am curious if the out of market areas were blacked out when the Sox were on? Burlington no doubt was because they carry NESN, but what say Penn State or Newfoundland? >> I was here just during the tail-end of baseball season and my roommate situation (and the fact Channel 38 aired its games on Friday nights, when I had better things to do such as explore the "nighttime scenery" :-) didn't really allow me to check that out. I didn't even know we had Channel 38 on our system until the end of October. I'll report back to you in the spring since I'll be watching (even though my roommate is a die-hard Yanks fan). As far as what Scott was asking about our hookup here ... the cable system here has some sort of downlink from DirecTV. Don't ask me for the particulars since I don't profess to know them. I do know we get a lot of DirecTV promotions during the breaks, however. From scott@fybush.com Tue Jan 27 23:10:17 2004 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Jan 27 23:04:42 2004 Subject: Mystery tape Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127230635.02f046d8@gwind.pair.com> So I'm cleaning my office (a truly scary thought to contemplate, as anyone who's seen the place can attest), and I've happened across a mystery tape. It arrived in September 2002, judging by the postmark, in a padded envelope from "Compurep Data Technology," with no note inside or name on the label aside from Compurep's Speen Street address in Framingham. The tape itself is a Scotch XS II 90 that looks like something from the late 80s, with no label. And the tape itself sounds like it was passed over a bulk eraser - there's a hint of audio underneath the tape hiss, but nothing recognizable. Judging by the return address, I'd think this might have come from someone on this list - does it sound at all familiar to anyone? (And if so, what was it supposed to have been?) This'll drive me crazy now, for sure... s From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 27 23:04:46 2004 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Jan 27 23:05:06 2004 Subject: Channel 38 and CBS? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> References: <000401c3e54b$2ec890f0$59464742@Sean> Message-ID: At 10:02 PM -0500 1/27/04, Sean Smyth wrote: >Any reason why Channel 38 is showing CBS programming this evening? I was >looking to my 10 p.m. fix of news. I would presume it's because they are airing election coverage on Channel 4. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 03:18:36 2004 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Jan 28 03:18:59 2004 Subject: NH Primary over-the-air coverage disappoints In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040127215401.02ee4068@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <20040128081836.2889.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > I feel bad for any news junkies without cable or > satellite tonight... On radio in Boston: Election coverage followed the B's game on 'BZ radio, with Jay McQuaid, Peter Meade, Paul Sullivan, etc. On WRKO, there were TOH updates from the likes of Ben Parker and Marga Bessette, but mostly they stuck with the syndie Michael Savage and John Batchelor. WTKK did local coverage live from The Centre of N.H., with Jay Severin and Jim Braude, followed by seven-hour-old Sean Hannity. At one point Hannity said that "the exit polls have Kerry and Dean in a dead heat" even though we had known for awhile that Kerry had beaten Dean, 39 to 26 per cent. Of course, Hannity had said this at 5:30 pm EST (aired at 12:30 am EST on 96.9)... 'RKO did carry the Kerry speech via ABC news. 'TKK had it too but it sounded very tinny--I think they had someone there with a cellphone... I can't tell > from their website, which still includes a link to > "name the new Manchester > baseball team." How about the Fisher Cats?) It sounds like a joke but it's true: The first name that was picked was the New Hampshire Primaries! That went over like a lead balloon, so when the "name the team" contest was held, Fisher Cats was indeed the winner. What's a fisher cat? A type of weasel. Goooo Weasels! :) From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 28 16:49:21 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:49:41 2004 Subject: WUML-FM 91.5 Off-the-Air Message-ID: UMass Lowell's WUML-FM 91.5 has been off-the-air for at least 24 hours (I first noticed it Tuesday evening 01/27). This is interesting because now I get a clear shot at receiving WNEF-FM 91.7 Amesbury/Newburyport, which is coming in ok, but not strong enough for stereo. The surprise is Univ of NH's WUNH-FM at 91.3 with a much better signal than the last time then-WJUL was off-the-air. They've installed a new D.A. that apparently protects Keene to the NW so it's now B-O-O-M-I-N-G into the northeast Massachusetts portion of the Merrimack Valley. Of course, WPAA-FM Phillips Andover Academy's 91.7 outlet continues to be absent, thus helping WNEF to be heard; I wonder if they've notified the FCC that they've ben silent for more than a month...I guess not. The Lowell Sun must not like being eclipsed. Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 28 16:59:34 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:59:57 2004 Subject: WNNW 800 (Do they ever change to night power anymore?) Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:37:17 >From: "Jeff Lehmann" >To: >Over the past couple weeks, I have noticed that 800 WNNW in Lowell has >remained very strong at night. Normally, I would receive CJAD Montreal >or CKLW Windsor, ON. > >Didn't WNNW have trouble shutting down at night a few years ago when >they were on 1110 as well? > >Jeff Lehmann >Hanson, MA > > I'm the great keeper of the WNNW flame for the past couple of years; WNNW-AM 800 is in Lawrence not Lowell, thus it's not far from my home. When AM 800 was WCCM, many have posted to this board that they doubted AM 800 was powering down at night, but when I've meticulously checked the station out with my receiver that shows relative signal strength of AM's in my area, I could observe a very small movement of the dial leftward. Also, it seemed WGY-AM 810 was easier to receive. I haven't performed this maneuver for a while since WNNW took over the frequency, so I'll have to do so soon. When WNNW was in Salem, NH on 1110, they regularly signed on all late fall and early winter before 5:30 when I awake from my so-far effective beauty sleep. Now, as WCEC-AM 1110, the outlet has been totally legal all fall and winter, signing on after I leave for work because WBT Charlotte comes in like a local at that time (they claim a big football game is scheduled for this weekend...it's almost February, shouldn't football be over?) Laurence Glavin Methuen, MA ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Jan 28 18:22:45 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Jan 28 18:29:46 2004 Subject: WUML-FM Is B-a-a-c-k! Message-ID: Apparently the engineers at WUML-FM fixed the problem, and sometime after 5:00 pm they started spewing teen-oriented recorded material. A grateful public will once again be able to tune in to "Lowell Sunrise" (would a few dozen people constitute a "public"?) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From engineer@the-spa.com Thu Jan 29 03:09:33 2004 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Thu Jan 29 03:09:39 2004 Subject: WUML-FM 91.5 Off-the-Air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Laurence Glavin >Of course, >WPAA-FM Phillips Andover Academy's 91.7 outlet continues >to be absent, thus helping WNEF to be heard; I wonder >if they've notified the FCC that they've ben silent for >more than a month...I guess not. I didn't think part time college or high school radio stations had to notify the FCC when they sign off for periods of time, as long as, they broadcast certain amounts each year. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Jan 29 09:26:06 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Jan 29 09:26:31 2004 Subject: DJ pleads guilty to sex abuse Message-ID: <1075386372.137E78D6@w5.dngr.org> Mark Parenteau a WBCN mainstay for 20 years pleaded guilty Wednesday to sexual abuse of a child and faces 10 years in prison. He will be sentenced April 2nd. http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=1575 From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Jan 29 13:42:14 2004 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Jan 29 13:42:09 2004 Subject: The BBC dilemma Message-ID: <000c01c3e697$9cf1fa60$59464742@Sean> A second BBC official has resigned today in the fallout over the Iraq WMD report they did last year. http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2004/01/29/head_of_bbc_ resigns_over_weapons_report/ I'm curious as to you folks (Donna in particular) here are thinking. It sounds like the result will be censorship at its finest (whether self-imposed or tacitly encouraged by the Blair government). I thought the structure of the BBC was such that it remained somewhat immune (if you want to say that) from pressure from the sitting government; the article implied the Blair government is exerting plenty of pressure on the BBC at this moment. Thoughts? Comments? From oldradio@earthlink.net Thu Jan 29 14:23:04 2004 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:23:08 2004 Subject: Fw: Nostalgia Boston Figurines (plain text) Message-ID: <0d3001c3e69d$528a38b0$1248bb3f@S0031698896> Just a heads-up to the list. I came across this web site of sculptured figurines, the extensive catalog online is filled with nostalgic New England pieces (lighthouses, places and personalities) and more at: www.sebastianworld.com Of particular interest to you radio folks, there's a "Big Brother" Bob Emery at WBZ figurine and several others at WEEI (Carl Moore, E.B. Rideout, etc.) from the 1950's with a short statement that identifies each piece. There is a figurine of a NECCO wafer candy making machine, the Boston Public Garden "Swan Boats" and many NE items. Given the interest in bobble-head dolls today, this might be a good source for radio promotional items. (Disclaimer applies!) Keep warm - GO PATS ! Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 29 15:40:14 2004 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (dlh@donnahalper.com) Date: Thu Jan 29 15:40:19 2004 Subject: Fw: Nostalgia Boston Figurines (plain text) Message-ID: <200401292040.i0TKeEX8012712@mail2.atl.registeredsite.com> Russ wrote-- > Just a heads-up to the list. I came across this web site of sculptured > figurines, the extensive catalog online is filled with nostalgic New England > pieces The Sebastian miniatures are in fact beautiful, but very expensive. I have several of them. The Big Brother and a couple of WEEI personalities were done in 1951 as part of a series. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Jan 31 13:06:19 2004 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Jan 31 13:06:36 2004 Subject: Bill Moyers "Now" Segment on Media Conglomerates Message-ID: On Friday, 01/03/04, the first segment of Bill Moyers' "Now" dealt with the methodolgy employed to get a bill favorable to Viacom and News Corp (Fox tv) through Congress. The annual appropriations bill had a few lines allowing these two entities to own TV stations reaching more than 35% of the potential audience with owned-and-operated outlets. Many if not most of you are familiar with this, but if you want to see how it was covered on "Now", the show will be repeated Sunday morning on Boston's WGBX-TV at 11:00 am (same time as LTAR; set your VCR or TIVO). Both the Maine PTV network and the NH PTV network rebroadcast it at 6:00 pm Sunday. AS I mentioned it's the first story on the show. You can watch until about 6:25 and then turn off your TV, as there's apparently nothing else worth watching tomorrow night. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Jan 31 18:21:01 2004 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Jan 31 18:21:25 2004 Subject: WCOP 1942 Message-ID: <1075591268.27B3F454@r31.dngr.org> I guess this is more for Donna than anyone. I am looking at a photo from the morning of the Conanut Grove fire where the featured performer that night ( who would die in the fire ) Buck Jones is being interviewed on WCOP. The bottom of the mike says WCOP but on the side are the letters AON or ACN Any idea what they mean? From w1mex@lycos.com Sat Jan 31 19:20:35 2004 From: w1mex@lycos.com (KEVIN GOODWIN) Date: Sat Jan 31 19:20:59 2004 Subject: Infinity Broadcasting Job Fair Message-ID: On Friday while listening to WZLX I heard a promo for an Infinity Broadcasting job fair to be held on Feb 10th. The promo said to sign up at the WZLX website with no phone calls to ZLX. I went to the WZLX website to sign up, but found no link for the job fair. I called ZLX to find out where the link is, and they don't know either. I was told to go to the Infinity Radio website. Needless to say, nothing there either. Talk about deceptive advertising. Does anybody on the list know where the job fair is going to be held? I would like to know. I would like to go to it. Kevin Goodwin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Jan 31 23:16:43 2004 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat Jan 31 23:25:47 2004 Subject: Infinity Broadcasting Job Fair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040131230849.01ac2ab0@pop.gis.net> Heard the same ad on WODS. It is on their web site. Interesting that WODS no longer has the URLs oldies103.com or WODS.com. Corporate bean counters at work. At 07:20 PM 1/31/04 -0500, KEVIN GOODWIN wrote: >On Friday while listening to WZLX I heard a promo for an Infinity >Broadcasting job fair to be held on Feb 10th. The promo said to sign up at >the WZLX website with no phone calls to ZLX. I went to the WZLX website to >sign up, but found no link for the job fair. I called ZLX to find out >where the link is, and they don't know either. I was told to go to the >Infinity Radio website. Needless to say, nothing there either. Talk about >deceptive advertising. Does anybody on the list know where the job fair is >going to be held? I would like to know. I would like to go to it. > >Kevin Goodwin > > >____________________________________________________________ >Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! >http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005