From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 1 00:51:08 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 1 00:51:46 2003 Subject: Has 1150 WTTT set a record? In-Reply-To: <1067655492.2541851F@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FA3037C.10928.9CD9DF@localhost> On 31 Oct 2003 at 18:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > With yet another call letter change I have to wonder, has any license > anywhere had as many calls as 1150 Boston. I believe they hold the record in Boston. I don't know about elsewhere. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 03:48:06 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 1 03:48:16 2003 Subject: Oh Danny Boy, 1150, 1150 is stunting Message-ID: <20031101084806.59206.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> WTTT 1150 (to be talk as of Nov 4) had been running a loop mentioning that Mega 1150 has moved to 890...but now they're doing pre-format change stunting by...running different versions of "Danny Boy" back to back! Could it be that they're really moving to an all-Irish format? Or Danny Ainge has bought the station? :) Just kidding. But 'tis true, me lads and lasses...tuned in 2:45 am to 1150 and yes, the pipes, the pipes are calling... From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 03:49:40 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 1 03:49:43 2003 Subject: Oh Danny Boy, 1150, 1150 is stunting Message-ID: <20031101084940.70392.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> WTTT 1150 (to be talk as of Nov 4) had been running a loop mentioning that Mega 1150 has moved to 890...but now they're doing pre-format change stunting by...running different versions of "Danny Boy" back to back! Could it be that they're really moving to an all-Irish format? Or Danny Ainge has bought the station? :) Just kidding. But 'tis true, me lads and lasses...tuned in 2:45 am to 1150 and yes, the pipes, the pipes are calling... From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Nov 1 08:37:26 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat Nov 1 08:37:49 2003 Subject: Has 1150 WTTT set a record? References: <3FA3037C.10928.9CD9DF@localhost> Message-ID: <001b01c3a07d$4f69dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, if you count the two calls they were granted but never used on the way from WAMG to WTTT (...WAMG->WBPS->[WYTS]->[WJTK]->WTTT), they must be at least CLOSE to the all-time record. Bob Bittner read the full list (up to that time) on LTAR a few months ago. IIRC, 1150 had had at least nine sets of calls by then (and I think the station had just become WBPS). If nine is the correct number (and it might not be), and you include the two call signs that were recently granted but never used on the air, they are now at at least 12. I wonder what station holds the record for the number of call signs granted to it but never used (by the station in question). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Boston Radio Mailing List ; Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Has 1150 WTTT set a record? > On 31 Oct 2003 at 18:58, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > With yet another call letter change I have to wonder, has any license > > anywhere had as many calls as 1150 Boston. > > I believe they hold the record in Boston. I don't know about elsewhere. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Nov 1 09:53:31 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Nov 1 09:52:46 2003 Subject: Has 1150 WTTT set a record? In-Reply-To: <1067655492.2541851F@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031101095259.00a16520@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >With yet another call letter change I have to wonder, has any license >anywhere had as many calls as 1150 Boston. Or as many unsuccessful fomats. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 1 11:31:55 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:31:58 2003 Subject: Has 1150 WTTT set a record? In-Reply-To: <001b01c3a07d$4f69dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <3FA3037C.10928.9CD9DF@localhost> <001b01c3a07d$4f69dd40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <200311011631.hA1GVtiX038458@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I wonder what station holds the record for the number of call signs granted > to it but never used (by the station in question). Unfortunately, it's hard to tell by the FCC records, because an electronic record of call sign changes was not kept until 1978. Since the beginning of recordkeeping, the FCC recognizes: callsign | max --------------+----- W27AE | 12 KFUL-LP | 11 K48GO | 11 W17CD | 11 W23BT | 11 WAIV | 10 WHKF | 10 K44FD | 10 KUDD | 10 KTLS-FM | 10 W06BP | 10 KOCL | 10 KJOL | 10 KTHT | 10 This FCC database dump dates back to June, so WTTT may have made it this high by now. -GAWollman From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Sat Nov 1 14:30:19 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat Nov 1 14:31:12 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s Message-ID: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net> First noted this morning @ c.4:10am, they've dropped the spanish "Mega Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of "Danny Boy" [though not the Phil Coulter instrumental version P=( ], with an occasional "Coming--and it's okay to listen" drop-in. When I caught the Noontime ID, it was given as "WTTT Boston". I'm guessing that the stunting and CALL letter change occurred at Midnight (i.e., Nov. 1st). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 1 14:39:49 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 1 14:40:07 2003 Subject: WJUL Lives (In The Globe Anyway) Message-ID: In the past, like before his most recent brand extension, Scott Fybush would point out some errata in the radio listings at the back of the Boston Globe's sport pages. Something tells me he's too busy these days for such minutiae (my second Latin plural), so I've neen looking for them (and I'm not even a sports fan!). Well, you can guess the first error I found: the re-emergence of WJUL-FM 91.5, the Jewel of the Merrimack Valley! Tonight's college hockey game (Sat. 11/1) between Northeastern and U-Mass/Lowell is listed as being broadcast on WRBB-FM 104.9 and WJUL-FM 91.5. I know I'll be listening. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 1 14:43:12 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 1 14:43:31 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:30:19 >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: B-R-I >I'm guessing that the stunting and CALL letter change occurred at >Midnight (i.e., Nov. 1st). > > No, I heard the "Danny Boy" and WTTT ID Friday afternoon before pattern-change, at about 5:00 pm E.S.T. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 1 15:16:53 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 1 15:17:14 2003 Subject: Las Vegas Gets It Right Message-ID: My allaccess.com daily news bulletin mentioned that the NPR station in Las Vegas, Nevada had undergone mitosis, i.e. split itself in two, one a WBUR-like news and talk station, the other all-classical, perhaps like Schenectady's WMHT-FM, or the new FM in Vermont. Both are full-power full-service outlets; apparently there was room in Nevada for two stations in the market. If you visit http://www.knpr.org and then click on 'Two Stations' on the upper right, there are PICTURES of the mountain from which KNPR and KCNV transmit. It's too bad a the FM dial from 88.1 thru 91.9 here is so laden with stations large and small, some part time, some even silent,so that such a thing can't possibly happen here. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 1 15:37:46 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 1 15:37:50 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s References: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <000a01c3a0b8$0200a850$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > First noted this morning @ c.4:10am, they've dropped the spanish "Mega > Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of > "Danny Boy" [though not the Phil Coulter instrumental version P=( ], > with an occasional Hey! I was named after that song! -- Dan (Don't call me Danny) Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Nov 1 16:52:26 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat Nov 1 16:46:07 2003 Subject: Oh Danny Boy, 1150, 1150 is stunting In-Reply-To: <20031101084940.70392.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031101084940.70392.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA42B1A.7030301@gabrielmass.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > WTTT 1150 (to be talk as of Nov 4) had been running a > loop mentioning that Mega 1150 has moved to 890...but > now they're doing pre-format change stunting > by...running different versions of "Danny Boy" back to > back! A couple of nights ago, I heard them simulcasting WEZE. --RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Nov 1 16:57:46 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat Nov 1 16:51:28 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <000a01c3a0b8$0200a850$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net> <000a01c3a0b8$0200a850$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FA42C5A.3000508@gabrielmass.com> > they've dropped the spanish "Mega >>Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of >>"Danny Boy" Your 24-hour station for the Irish-Hit Parade! --RC From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 1 18:18:54 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 1 18:19:06 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <3FA42C5A.3000508@gabrielmass.com> References: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net> <3FA42C5A.3000508@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <1067728737.26278A2C@w5.dngr.org> Now what exactly does Danny Boy have to do with conservative talk radio???? On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 5:00PM -0500, Richard Chonak wrote: > >> they've dropped the spanish "Mega >>> Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of >>> "Danny Boy" > > Your 24-hour station for the Irish-Hit Parade! > > --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 2 07:53:10 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Nov 2 08:02:02 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s References: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net><3FA42C5A.3000508@gabrielmass.com> <1067728737.26278A2C@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Since the title of the song they are playing is based on my given name, I've thought more than a little about Salem's choice of the song. The answer to your question, of course, is that there is no intentional connection between the song and the format. However, the reasons for the choice do make a certain amount of sense from Salem's "the bottom line is really all that matters" perspective: 1. "Oh Danny Boy" is in the public domain, hence there are no royalties to pay. (I should probably list that as reasons 1 through at least 10) 2. It's been recorded A LOT, so an assiduous collector would be likely to have many versions by different artists. 3. Someone associated with "The Irish Hit Parade" program on sister station WROL 950 probably is such a collector and volunteered to provide a tape of all of the versions he has. 4. The song is well known and quite melodic, so one can listen to different versions for a rather extended period without wanting to scream too loudly. On the other hand: 1. There is no logical connection with the format, except maybe that the Danny of the title is being conscripted to go to war. 2. It's a sad song. 3. It's a song about loss and the singer's (that is, Danny's father's) likely impending death. If you put the three just-listed negatives together, you can infer a prediction of another war and format's demise. I can't imagine that Salem wants the listeners to believe that the company is predicting the format's quick demise even before its first day on the air, but based on the stunting, we do have reason to predict that the format will be produced on the cheap and will often not seem relevant. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Richard Chonak ; B-R-I Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > Now what exactly does Danny Boy have to do with conservative talk > radio???? > > > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 5:00PM -0500, Richard Chonak wrote: > > > >> they've dropped the spanish "Mega > >>> Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of > >>> "Danny Boy" > > > > Your 24-hour station for the Irish-Hit Parade! > > > > --RC From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 2 08:09:12 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Nov 2 08:10:04 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s References: <3FA409CB.A92813D7@Programmer.Net><3FA42C5A.3000508@gabrielmass.com> <1067728737.26278A2C@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <002201c3a142$9c83c260$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Since the title of the song they are playing is based on my given name, I've thought more than a little about Salem's choice of the song. The answer to your question, of course, is that there is no intentional connection between the song and the format. However, the reasons for the choice do make a certain amount of sense from Salem's "the bottom line is really all that matters" perspective: 1. "Oh Danny Boy" is in the public domain, hence there are no royalties to pay. (I should probably list that as reasons 1 through at least 10) 2. It's been recorded A LOT, so an assiduous collector would be likely to have many versions by different artists. 3. Someone associated with "The Irish Hit Parade" program on sister station WROL 950 probably is such a collector and volunteered to provide a tape of all of the versions he has. 4. The song is well known and quite melodic, so one can listen to different versions for a rather extended period without wanting to scream too loudly. On the other hand: 1. There is no logical connection with the format, except maybe that the Danny of the title is being conscripted to go to war. 2. It's a sad song. 3. It's a song about loss and the singer's (that is, Danny's father's) likely impending death. If you put the three just-listed negatives together, you can infer a prediction of another war and format's demise. I can't imagine that Salem wants the listeners to believe that the company is predicting the format's quick demise even before its first day on the air, but based on the stunting, we do have reason to predict that the format will be produced on the cheap and will often not seem relevant. Also, with 1150's almost unprecendented record of format failures, a prediction of yet another failure doesn't seem unwarranted. If I'm not mistaken, the only format the has succeeded on 1150 in the last three decades was sort of an accident--the station was in receivership and the trustee put on a satellite-delivered urban gold format. For the first time in decades, and with the benefit of ZERO promotion, the station made a respectable showing in the ratings. Of course, the new owners weren't perceptive enough draw any lessons from that experience. The lesson of couse, is that if RadioOne were able to buy or lease the station from Salem and move WILD 60 kHz up the dial, Boston could have a successful urban-formatted AM music station. Moreover, a format/ownership swap between 1150 and 1260 would then give the new WILD the second best AM signal (after WBZ) in Dorchester, Mattapan, and Roxbury and would improve WMKI's signal in the affluent northwestern suburbs. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Vahey To: Richard Chonak ; B-R-I Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: Re: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > Now what exactly does Danny Boy have to do with conservative talk > radio???? > > > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 5:00PM -0500, Richard Chonak wrote: > > > >> they've dropped the spanish "Mega > >>> Ocho Noventa" loop and are now stunting with different versions of > >>> "Danny Boy" > > > > Your 24-hour station for the Irish-Hit Parade! > > > > --RC From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 2 12:29:28 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Nov 2 12:31:49 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> On 2 Nov 2003 at 7:53, Dan Strassberg wrote: > 1. "Oh Danny Boy" is in the public domain, hence there are no royalties to > pay. Why is it in the public domain? When was it written? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From tc@chaostheory.com Sun Nov 2 13:15:21 2003 From: tc@chaostheory.com (tc@chaostheory.com) Date: Sun Nov 2 13:15:26 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> References: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> Message-ID: <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> > On 2 Nov 2003 at 7:53, Dan Strassberg wrote: > >> 1. "Oh Danny Boy" is in the public domain, hence there are no royalties >> to pay. And Atty. Ross responded: > Why is it in the public domain? When was it written? The lyrics were written in 1910; the melody is older than that, dating from sometime in the mid 1800's, and appears to have had other lyrics and been known by the name "Londonderry Air" (Or "Aire".) A fairly well-detailed history of the song as we know it can be found at this website: http://www.standingstones.com/dannyboy.html Now, on that point-- the song publishing would certainly be in the public domain, but wouldn't any recording of the song have a copyright on that specific performance and still be subject to royalty? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 13:27:16 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 13:27:23 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s References: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg><3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3a16e$f1ccc830$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: "boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > Now, on that point-- the song publishing would certainly be in the public > domain, but wouldn't any recording of the song have a copyright on that > specific performance and still be subject to royalty? Isn't it the case that only songwriters get royalties for radio play, not the artists that record the song? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 13:33:38 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 13:33:43 2003 Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan Message-ID: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Can someone familiar with the use of the FCC database check to see if a facilities change has been approved recently for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan? The station is now listenable at my home, approximately 50 miles from the station's transmitter. I am pretty sure this is a new phenomenon. At the same time, 96.7 WCME Boothbay Harbor is unlistenable at my home. It is on the air but very scratchy. They must be having technical problems. This has been going on for about a week. Both stations simulcast 103.9 WVOM Howland. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From stevewest106@hotmail.com Sun Nov 2 14:20:53 2003 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Sun Nov 2 14:21:02 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s Message-ID: That makes entirely too much sense for Boston radio folks LOL Steve West Soundworks Media Millington, TN ========================= www.airchexx.com - "Where Classic Radio LIVES!" _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sun Nov 2 15:15:02 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Sun Nov 2 15:15:41 2003 Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan References: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <008a01c3a17e$00d4c080$ea244b43@p133> You have a mystery: FCC FM query http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/fmq.html shows WHQO at 44?42'46"N , 69?43'36" W (on Bigelow Hill ~ 4 mi sws of Showhegan) (plotted on USGS http://www.topozone.com/) with Effective Radiated Power 6.00 kW Ant. Height Above Average Terrain (HAAT): 203. meters = 666 ft (ugh) Not directional and I checked older data, no sign of any changes in last year or proposed. FYI, USGS places town of Bowdoinham at 44? 00' 36"N, 69? 53' 54"W which calcs as 49.26mi to WHQO, you estimate is excellent (depending on how far from town center you live). Ok, so I'm a "precisionist"! -Madprof ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan > ....if a change ... for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan? > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 15:35:53 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 15:36:01 2003 Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan References: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <008a01c3a17e$00d4c080$ea244b43@p133> Message-ID: <002001c3a180$e9957d80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Madprof: Thanks for the info. Should I be able to listen to WHQO 49 miles away? I work in Waterville and regularly listen to 93.5 WCTB Fairfield and it is no longer listenable when I get south of Augusta. I assumed that the same would be true for WHQO. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 16:12:34 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 16:12:37 2003 Subject: (3) Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan References: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <008a01c3a17e$00d4c080$ea244b43@p133> <002001c3a180$e9957d80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <00d801c3a185$77753c40$ea244b43@p133> Message-ID: <002801c3a186$08f5ec50$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "madprof" To: "Dan Billings" Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re:(3) Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan > 6kw, 203m HAAT, 49 mi, is pushing it, but, depending on terrain & > other obstructions, possible, but not expected common. > Is your house on a hill (would improve signal strength)? > Or do you have a very sensitive recvr? > You could have unusually good conditions, or good luck? > > Such reception is what DX'ing is all about. My guess is that there are no major hills obstructing reception between here and Skowhegan. I can listen to the station driving around in my car. There have been some unusual conditions recently but I have been able to tune into the station for a week. From mountainwireless@skow.net Sun Nov 2 16:21:08 2003 From: mountainwireless@skow.net (Mountain Wireless) Date: Sun Nov 2 16:21:23 2003 Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan References: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><008a01c3a17e$00d4c080$ea244b43@p133> <002001c3a180$e9957d80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000a01c3a187$3cf67eb0$92c2a70c@LAPTOP> Dan- There have been no facilities changes for 'HQO. This weekend the programming started originating from our "charming" Skowhegan building again rather than Clear Channel's uberfacility in Augusta. (The LMA/JSA for WCTB, WHQO, and WSKW between Mountain Wireless and Clear Channel has ended.) I tweaked the processing on 'HQO yesterday, but nothing more. WHQO's signal has always had better coverage than WCTB's. Both transmitters are located in the same general area, but the difference in HAAT between the two antennae is more than 150 feet. As for WCME, I believe they've been having transmitter problems lately. Jason Roberts VP / Station Manager WCTB - WHQO - WSKW > Madprof: Thanks for the info. > > Should I be able to listen to WHQO 49 miles away? > > I work in Waterville and regularly listen to 93.5 WCTB Fairfield and it is > no longer listenable when I get south of Augusta. I assumed that the same > would be true for WHQO. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 16:37:23 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 16:37:27 2003 Subject: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan References: <001201c3a16f$d592df00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><008a01c3a17e$00d4c080$ea244b43@p133> <002001c3a180$e9957d80$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <000a01c3a187$3cf67eb0$92c2a70c@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <003001c3a189$80a1ba60$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mountain Wireless" To: "Dan Billings" ; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Facilities change for 107.9 WHQO Skowhegan > There have been no facilities changes for 'HQO. This weekend the programming > started originating from our "charming" Skowhegan building again rather than > Clear Channel's uberfacility in Augusta. (The LMA/JSA for WCTB, WHQO, and > WSKW between Mountain Wireless and Clear Channel has ended.) I tweaked the > processing on 'HQO yesterday, but nothing more. > > WHQO's signal has always had better coverage than WCTB's. Both transmitters > are located in the same general area, but the difference in HAAT between the > two antennae is more than 150 feet. > > As for WCME, I believe they've been having transmitter problems lately. So does that mean WHQO will no longer simulcast WVOM? If so, what will be the programming on WHQO? WSKW? I thought I heard WHQO and WCME broadcasting different talk shows yesterday but WCME was coming in so poorly I couldn't be sure. I love WCTB, by the way. I hope the format stays the same. I live in Bowdoinham but work in Waterville so I am a regular listener when I am in the range of the station. Why did the LMA end? I heard a rumor that WCME will no longer simulcast WVOM but is going to a sports format instead? Is that true? Does that mean Augusta will be without a talk station again? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 2 20:35:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 2 20:35:29 2003 Subject: Another Question Message-ID: <004901c3a1aa$c199a4d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I have noticed over the last two weeks that whenever I have landed on WLOB in the morning, Gary Dixon has been doing the show instead of Bud Sawyer. Is Bud gone and Gary the permanent host? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Nov 2 20:55:06 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun Nov 2 20:47:38 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s Message-ID: > From: "Dan Strassberg" > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:09:12 -0500 > To: "Kevin Vahey" , "Boston Radio Interest" > > Subject: Re: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > > Also, with 1150's almost unprecendented record of format failures, a > prediction of yet another failure doesn't seem unwarranted. If I'm not > mistaken, the only format the has succeeded on 1150 in the last three > decades was sort of an accident--the station was in receivership and the > trustee put on a satellite-delivered urban gold format. For the first time > in decades, and with the benefit of ZERO promotion, the station made a > respectable showing in the ratings. Of course, the new owners weren't > perceptive enough draw any lessons from that experience. I've heard that the success of then-WNFT 1150 briefly running "The Touch" Urban Gold satellite format was an influencing factor in WILD flipping from Urban Contemporary to their present "Classic Soul & R&B" format (while acquiring 97.7 to put the contemporary hip-hop there). I heard that, with absolutely no promotion, "The Touch" on 1150 then equaled or may have exceeded WILD's ratings at the time. I think that was during a period when 1150 was being bounced from one owner to another like a hot potato. Nobody really wanted it and cast it off when they had a chance at a better (FM) signal. Greater Media had sold it to American Radio Systems which was then bought by CBS, who was then forced by anti-trust regs to let all of those stations go but one, and so they kept WBMX. The other former ARS stations were sold to Entercom, who apparently weren't interested in 1150, and CBS eventually sold it to Spanish network Mega. I don't know if it was ARS or CBS who began running "The Touch" Urban Gold format on it, but apparently no one who mattered made any regard of it's success during the ownership shuffle. 1150 also got fairly decent ratings for an AM of it's signal strength briefly in 1985 when Greater Media signed it on as WMEX, Boston's only Oldies station at the time, fully live with known oldies talent such as Quentin Migliori, Scott Roberts, Little Walter, and others. It pulled around a 2.5 share anyway at first, but the subsequent "letting go" of their best DJ's to replace them with a boring oldies "bird" (Transtar's "Oldies Channel") drove it down to below a .1 within a couple of years with no other Oldies station on in town at the time! I don't know where the Oldies listeners went, perhaps "goldish" AC's or Classic Rock, but they weren't listening to "The Oldies Channel" on 1150. After WMRQ became WODS "Oldies 103.3" in 1987, another attempt to go live local oldies on WMEX the following year only resulted in a one share at it's best, and in 1989 a new program director's tighter playlist (duplicating 103's on a smaller signal) turned off that "cult" following for more unusual oldies they had been playing, and drove it down to a .2 by when it flipped to a short-lived business news format that fall. I still remember one of their promos: "You've just eaten your Power Breakfast, and you just put on your Power Tie! Now get the Business News you need to Power your morning, Business Radio 1150..." Eli Polonsky From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun Nov 2 21:07:57 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun Nov 2 21:08:01 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> References: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> Message-ID: <200311030207.hA327vgW052504@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < The lyrics were written in 1910; the melody is older than that, dating > from sometime in the mid 1800's, and appears to have had other lyrics and > been known by the name "Londonderry Air" (Or "Aire".) According to my sources, this tune was first published in 1855 in a book called /Ancient Music of Ireland/ with neither title nor words. Several lyricists tried their hands at setting words to the tune, with ``Danny Boy'' being the most commercial. Julian May writes: The original melody in Petrie's collection came from a Miss Jane Ross of Limvady int he Northern Irish county of Londonderry. The lady arranged it for the piano herself and simply commented to Dr. Petrie that it was ``very old''. Unfortunately, later researchers were unable to find any trace of its origins, nor were there any Gaelic words to it. The fact that its meter was ``wrong'' for Irish folksong made it even more suspect, and some denied that it was a traditional melody at all. [...] The problem of the atypical meter suggests that Miss Ross might have erroneously transcribed the tune in common (4/4) time rather than the 3/4 or 6/8 rhythm of the majority of old Gaelic songs. If the rhythm is thus changed, and certain prolonged notes shortened, one does indeed get a typical Irish ditty of rather appalling banality. (Appendix to /The Many-Colored Land/, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1981, reprinted as /The Many-Coloured Land/, London: Pan, 1982.) -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun Nov 2 21:11:27 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun Nov 2 21:11:30 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> References: <000f01c3a141$77258680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> Message-ID: <200311030211.hA32BRq8052537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < Now, on that point-- the song publishing would certainly be in the public > domain, but wouldn't any recording of the song have a copyright on that > specific performance and still be subject to royalty? In analog broadcasting, royalties are paid only for the composition (music, lyrics, and arrangement) and not the performance. (This dates back to an earlier era when most music on the radio was performed live; the performers received payment for their work at the time of performance, but the composers were not involved in the production and so demanded royalties.) -GAWollman From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 3 00:27:28 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 3 00:28:48 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <65040.66.31.55.243.1067796921.squirrel@webmail.chaostheory.com> References: <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> Message-ID: <3FA5A0F0.16286.170BE@localhost> On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:15, tc@chaostheory.com wrote: > Now, on that point-- the song publishing would certainly be in the public > domain, but wouldn't any recording of the song have a copyright on that > specific performance and still be subject to royalty? Yes. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 3 05:56:53 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 3 05:58:23 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s References: <3FA4F8A8.29523.601497@localhost> <3FA5A0F0.16286.170BE@localhost> Message-ID: <001501c3a1f9$61be5ca0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Joe: As you have read in numerous posts on this topic (only one of which was mine), your answer of "yes" is incorrect. The correct answer, as applied to over-the-air terrestrial analog broadcasting, is "no." Garrett provided the most complete answer (that is, he wrote the first post in this thread that included all of the pertinent qualifications) and he explained why there are so many qualifications to the "no" answer. In any event, "no" is the correct answer for the case at hand, which involves a terrestrial AM station. Dan Strassberg, Contributing Editor EDN Magazine | Reed Electronics Group | www.edn.com Fax 707-215-6367 | StrassbergEDN@att.net *** CONTACT ME BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO SEND ATTACHMENTS LARGER THAN 1 Mbyte *** ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Cc: boston Radio Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: Re: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s > On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:15, tc@chaostheory.com wrote: > > > Now, on that point-- the song publishing would certainly be in the public > > domain, but wouldn't any recording of the song have a copyright on that > > specific performance and still be subject to royalty? > > Yes. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From aread@speakeasy.net Mon Nov 3 11:30:43 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Mon Nov 3 11:30:50 2003 Subject: Fwd: [CBI] MIT's LAMP Service suffers setback Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031103112944.03263da8@mail.speakeasy.net> > From The Collegiate Broadcasters Incorporated Listserv>> >http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1067704898.html >Will R MIT's LAMP music network shut down over licensing issues Posted 11/01/2003 @ 10:41 AM, by Ken "Caesar" Fisher MIT has had to shut down its eyebrow-raising Library Access to Music Project (LAMP). The project has been overzealously heralded by some as a panacea to the problems of P2P on college campuses, as it purported to make thousands of songs freely available on the campus' cable TV network. The service made great use of the so-called "analog hole," ostensibly skirting US Copyright issues by broadcasting below-CD quality analog music to devices that could not easily be used by end users to capture music (e.g., TVs). The service looked completely legal, although cynics were quick to point out that entities such as the RIAA would likely wrangle it to the ground using whatever methods possible. (full article at link above) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From aread@speakeasy.net Mon Nov 3 12:16:03 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:16:09 2003 Subject: WJUL Lives (In The Globe Anyway) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031103121458.01d57810@mail.speakeasy.net> At 02:39 PM 11/1/2003, Laurence Glavin wrote: >(and I'm not even a sports fan!). Well, you can guess the >first error I found: the re-emergence of WJUL-FM 91.5, >the Jewel of the Merrimack Valley! Tonight's college hockey >game (Sat. 11/1) between Northeastern and U-Mass/Lowell >is listed as being broadcast on WRBB-FM 104.9 and WJUL-FM 91.5. I know >I'll be listening. > >Laurence Glavin In their defense...they probably received the info back when it still was WJUL. Given the confusion that surrounded the entire change, it doesn't surprise me that something like that fell through the cracks. It will probably remain "WJUL" until next season when new schedules are sent out to all the papers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From aread@speakeasy.net Mon Nov 3 12:18:26 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Mon Nov 3 12:18:32 2003 Subject: Universities Going Corporate? In-Reply-To: <200310311805.AA2703032556@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031103121620.01edf6b8@mail.speakeasy.net> At 06:05 PM 10/31/2003, rogerkirk wrote: >For those who have expressed an interest (+,- or =) >in the ULowellSun venture, some interesting information >may be in the offing at the Thursday WBZ Business Breakfast. > >I received an e-mail from WBZ - an excerpt therefrom: > >"Learn how new concerns are forcing Universities to think more along >corporate lines than ever before! Plus, discover how institutions will >handle these changes to remain competitive in the future. To register for >this free event, follow the direct link, >http://207.96.48.18/wbz1030/business/breakfast.htm." > >Anybody on this list planning to attend? You have to register by today to attend. I'm tempted but I've got a lot on my plate. Really it'd be interesting to see if the issue of Universities changing their stations from expenses into income comes up at all. I doubt it'd be talked about at all, and if it is, then I doubt it'd be discussed for more than 30 seconds. But even if it were mentioned at all it'd be rather telling in my book. Especially since the interim President of UMass is one of the speakers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 3 14:04:22 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 3 14:06:38 2003 Subject: 1150 "stunting" now changed to dead air Message-ID: <000a01c3a23d$90b52040$19eefea9@dstrassberg> For at least the last 45 minutes, "Oh Danny Boy" has been replaced by dead air. It's very clean dead air, though. Can't detect any hum on this radio. Hum might be easier to detect on a radio with a larger speaker. This is very reminiscent of the station's almost namesake, WBPS: WTTT 1150 bills itself as the Boston Tea Party. Less than a year ago, the then WBPS 890 was calling itself "the Boson Talk Party." This was in 890's "black helicopter" incarnation, which was also based on ultra-right-wing talk (plus a lot of wild talk that even most ultra-right-wingers would disavow). Tea Party, Talk Party, whatever; it now seems that dead air is a staple of both stations. If you're in the mood for silence, though, the dead air is even more relaxing than "Oh Danny Boy." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From paul@03038.com Mon Nov 3 15:30:41 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:25:48 2003 Subject: 1150 "stunting" now changed to dead air In-Reply-To: <000a01c3a23d$90b52040$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: They're back to "Danny Boy as of 3:10PM Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Dan Strassberg > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:04 PM > To: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: 1150 "stunting" now changed to dead air > > > For at least the last 45 minutes, "Oh Danny Boy" has been replaced by dead > air. It's very clean dead air, though. Can't detect any hum on this radio. > Hum might be easier to detect on a radio with a larger speaker. > This is very > reminiscent of the station's almost namesake, WBPS: WTTT 1150 bills itself > as the Boston Tea Party. Less than a year ago, the then WBPS 890 > was calling > itself "the Boson Talk Party." This was in 890's "black helicopter" > incarnation, which was also based on ultra-right-wing talk (plus a lot of > wild talk that even most ultra-right-wingers would disavow). Tea > Party, Talk > Party, whatever; it now seems that dead air is a staple of both > stations. If > you're in the mood for silence, though, the dead air is even more relaxing > than "Oh Danny Boy." > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > From sven@gordsven.com Mon Nov 3 15:48:25 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Nov 3 15:48:46 2003 Subject: 1150 "stunting" now changed to dead air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > They're back to "Danny Boy as of 3:10PM The tape it's recorded on probably snapped and they had to run down to the local 99 cent store to get some sello-tape to splice it together... :) -- Sven From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Nov 3 16:16:56 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Nov 3 16:17:07 2003 Subject: 1150 'stunting' now changed to dead air In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c3a23d$90b52040$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <51135.216.204.15.170.1067894216.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > They're back to "Danny Boy as of 3:10PM > Maybe they had to put another quarter in the jukebox. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Nov 3 17:32:18 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Nov 3 17:28:36 2003 Subject: Fwd: [CBI] MIT's LAMP Service suffers setback Message-ID: <200311031732.AA649462348@mail.ttlc.net> Aaron Read wrote: >The service looked completely legal, although cynics were quick to >point out that entities such as the RIAA would likely wrangle it to >the ground using whatever methods possible. You wouldn't expect any less from "Keepers of All That Is Holy In Mu$ic", now would you? Why don't we let the RIAA fight terrorism? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Nov 3 17:33:48 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Nov 3 17:29:39 2003 Subject: 1150 'stunting' now changed to dead air Message-ID: <200311031733.AA4083613804@mail.ttlc.net> >> They're back to "Danny Boy as of 3:10PM >> They took time out to answer a subpeona from the RIAA. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Nov 3 21:40:21 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Nov 3 21:36:11 2003 Subject: Radio-Related Cartoon Message-ID: <200311032140.AA4269146184@mail.ttlc.net> Sunday's "Grand Avenue" strip is a good send-up on Larry King Live. http://www.comics.com/comics/grandave/archive/grandave-20031102.html From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 4 00:13:37 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 4 00:14:39 2003 Subject: 1.150 Now "Officially"(?) WTTT & Stunting w/"Danny Boy"s In-Reply-To: <001501c3a1f9$61be5ca0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FA6EF31.28945.2C0F09@localhost> On 3 Nov 2003 at 5:56, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Joe: As you have read in numerous posts on this topic (only one of which > was mine), your answer of "yes" is incorrect. The correct answer, as > applied to over-the-air terrestrial analog broadcasting, is "no." Garrett > provided the most complete answer (that is, he wrote the first post in > this thread that included all of the pertinent qualifications) and he > explained why there are so many qualifications to the "no" answer. In any > event, "no" is the correct answer for the case at hand, which involves a > terrestrial AM station. Actually, copyright on sound recordings is even more complicated than that. There's no federal copyright on any sound recording made before 1972, but there may be a common-law copyright, probably in the person who owns the work being performed. After 1972, sound recordings could be subject to a federal copyright. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Nov 4 02:07:56 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Nov 4 02:08:25 2003 Subject: 1150 as of 11/4 1 AM in NY References: <1067929644.2BDC7E56@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <1067929679.142A2A5B@s5.dngr.org> Well I gotta admit much to my shock Danny Boy is coming in like a local 1 50 AM Kew Gardens And it coming in better than 1130??????? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 03:29:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 4 03:29:53 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" Message-ID: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> The latest "issue" of Boston Radio Watch mentions an article about how Infinity/Viacom stations may soon be retiring the term "oldies" at their, uh, oldies stations (perhaps even WODS, "Oldies 103.3"...) http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2003/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.11.html "Greatest Hits of the 60s and 70s" and other nicknames are being used. (Though I think 103.3 still uses the "O" word...at least for now!) Maybe they'll think up another nickname; I'd suggest "Classic Gold" (after an oldies station I've heard from England) but the folks at Greater Media (WROR 105.7, "Classic Hits") here in town would object... I notice "Oldies" is still being used at Cool 96.5 in Bedford/Manchester, NH; it says "oldies radio, Cool 96.5" in their jingles. From dbradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 07:58:01 2003 From: dbradio@yahoo.com (Dan Bourret) Date: Tue Nov 4 07:58:12 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031104125801.85184.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> You might be on to something there. I know this just part of a nation-wide promotion, but WODS 103.3 is participating in a nation-wide promo (all Infinity/Viacom stations are) where when they play the theme from Hawaii 5-O in its entirety, a caller wins. As part of this promo, during its run, they are calling themselves "Hawaii 103.3" and the tag they have running in the ad for the promo comes right out and says "Forget the Oldies, we are Hawaii 103.3." Perhaps this is the beginning of the end...as you say. Dan --- Bob Nelson wrote: > The latest "issue" of Boston Radio Watch mentions an > article about how Infinity/Viacom stations may soon > be > retiring the term "oldies" at their, uh, oldies > stations (perhaps even WODS, "Oldies 103.3"...) > > http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2003/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.11.html > > > "Greatest Hits of the 60s and 70s" and other > nicknames > are being used. (Though I think 103.3 still uses the > "O" word...at least for now!) > > Maybe they'll think up another nickname; I'd suggest > "Classic Gold" (after an oldies station I've heard > from England) but the folks at Greater Media (WROR > 105.7, "Classic Hits") here in town would > object... > > I notice "Oldies" is still being used at Cool 96.5 > in > Bedford/Manchester, NH; it says "oldies radio, Cool > 96.5" in their jingles. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 4 08:44:48 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 4 08:48:06 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031104083801.00a13bf0@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >The latest "issue" of Boston Radio Watch mentions an >article about how Infinity/Viacom stations may soon be >retiring the term "oldies" at their, uh, oldies >stations (perhaps even WODS, "Oldies 103.3"...) Kind of makes sense. While a 30 year old song is, by anyone's definition old, the term "oldie" tends to be associated with Elvis, Little Richard & the 4 Seasons, not BTO, Billy Joel or the Eagles. With most "oldies" stations focusing almost exclusively on post-British invasion music it's probably a good idea to lose the old handle. I guess it remains to be seen if the new crop of 1955-1965 oldies stations succeeds. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Nov 4 08:58:35 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue Nov 4 08:59:49 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <20031104125801.85184.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031104085735.01a9d030@pop.gis.net> At 04:58 AM 11/4/03 -0800, Dan Bourret wrote: >You might be on to something there. I know this just >part of a nation-wide promotion, but WODS 103.3 is >participating in a nation-wide promo (all >Infinity/Viacom stations are) where when they play the >theme from Hawaii 5-O in its entirety, a caller wins. I have not heard any mention that this is a nationwide contest. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 4 09:36:42 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Nov 4 09:38:29 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" References: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c3a2e1$46e722c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, if Viacom retires the word "oldies," what becomes of the WODS calls? ODS stands for oldies. Will the calls change, or will Viacom drive a new meaning under the existing calls? Somehow I don't think that having ODS stand of odious will cut it--although I imagine that only a small percentage of WODS listeners have a clue about the meaning of odious. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" > The latest "issue" of Boston Radio Watch mentions an > article about how Infinity/Viacom stations may soon be > retiring the term "oldies" at their, uh, oldies > stations (perhaps even WODS, "Oldies 103.3"...) > > http://commons.somewhere.com/bostonrw/2003/Boston.Radio.Watch.--.11.html > > > "Greatest Hits of the 60s and 70s" and other nicknames > are being used. (Though I think 103.3 still uses the > "O" word...at least for now!) > > Maybe they'll think up another nickname; I'd suggest > "Classic Gold" (after an oldies station I've heard > from England) but the folks at Greater Media (WROR > 105.7, "Classic Hits") here in town would > object... > > I notice "Oldies" is still being used at Cool 96.5 in > Bedford/Manchester, NH; it says "oldies radio, Cool > 96.5" in their jingles. > > From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Tue Nov 4 10:04:42 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:04:58 2003 Subject: B-R-I Status? (Was: Mailing-list Update) Message-ID: <3FA7C009.A60A6040@Programmer.Net> Our esteemed list owner and moderator advised Friday, > FYI, during the next 48 hours I will be changing the software > (and hardware) that this mailing-list runs on. I will also be > making some changes in the way that it operates, to hopefully cut > down even more on spam. Well, Saturday I posted a message about 1.150's status change and fellow RG ("Radio Geek") Laurence Glavin replied via B-R-I and e-mail CC--however, neither my original post, his reply OR ANY OTHER MESSAGE by anybody has shown up on either of the two lists ("bri/last50" and "bri/06") and no new digest has appeared! P=( Is the website mode of the mailing-list still being adjusted (and the messages on queue somewhere) or is there a bug in the new software? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 4 10:26:02 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:20:11 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <001501c3a2e1$46e722c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000401c3a2e7$f5ac7110$c3ec33d1@alvin> > Well, if Viacom retires the word "oldies," what becomes of > the WODS calls? ODS stands for oldies. How about "We play Old Dumb Songs"? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 4 10:35:47 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 4 10:31:41 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" Message-ID: <200311041035.AA707920460@mail.ttlc.net> >> Well, if Viacom retires the word "oldies," what becomes of >> the WODS calls? ODS stands for oldies. How PC we become. Shades of "Elderly Man River" Stan gets the last laugh. From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 11:09:13 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 4 11:09:39 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031104083801.00a13bf0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <20031104082950.21961.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104110735.01f06ce0@mail.speakeasy.net> At 08:44 AM 11/4/2003, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >Kind of makes sense. While a 30 year old song is, by anyone's definition >old, the term "oldie" tends to be associated with Elvis, Little Richard & >the 4 Seasons, not BTO, Billy Joel or the Eagles. With most "oldies" >stations focusing almost exclusively on post- (Snip) I remember when WWRX (pre FNX days) was called "classic rock" and yet was playing tracks off U2's Achtung Baby (circa 1992). This was in 1999 IIRC. That was a harsh slap in the face that the album I worshipped in high school was considered "classic rock"!!! :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 12:19:53 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 4 12:20:00 2003 Subject: Fwd: Congratulations... it's an LPFM Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104121841.00ac5fe0@mail.broadcastsignallab.com> >>REPORT NO. 45604 B R O A D C A S T A C T I O N S >>11/03/2003 >> >>Actions of: 10/28/2003 >> >> >>LOW POWER FM APPLICATIONS FOR ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT GRANTED >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>NY BNPL-20010122AFC NEW 131711 ELLENVILLE CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT >>Low Power FM CP New Stn. >> E 107.9 MHZ ELLENVILLE, NY This app was largely due to the tireless work of our own local Eric Aiese, formerly of WHRB and now works for Comrex. Congrats Eric! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Nov 4 12:34:45 2003 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue Nov 4 12:37:13 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:36:42 EST." <001501c3a2e1$46e722c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <200311041734.hA4HYjRc009386@all-night-tool.mit.edu> >Well, if Viacom retires the word "oldies," what becomes of the WODS calls? >ODS stands for oldies. Will the calls change, or will Viacom drive a new >meaning under the existing calls? [...] Do the calls really matter much on that station? Last time I listened to it (admittedly, a while ago), the only time the calls were used OTA was for the top-of-the-hour Drake-style jingle which serves as their legal ID. The average regular listener might not even know the calls if you asked them; they're likely to only know "Oldies 103.3". Which brings up another point... Since they use "Oldies 103.3" as the identifier for virtually *everything* they do, right down to their website's domain name, it would be awfully odd for them to drop "oldies" from their name, unless they're actually changing format. Other Viacom "oldies" stations that don't use "Oldies" in their identifier (e.g., WCBS-FM, which was going by "CBS-FM" last time I heard them) could easily drop use of the word without much notice, but when it's such a core part of the station's identity as it is here, it would seem like an awfully risky move. And if there's anything today's radio execs can't stand, it's risk. Then again, much stranger things have happened in this biz. Guess we'll have to wait and see... -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros@mit.edu From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 15:01:27 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:07:18 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" References: <200311041734.hA4HYjRc009386@all-night-tool.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00e201c3a30e$c5cb23c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> What year was Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind' released? I heard it last night on WODS. I had to double-check the radio dial! JP From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 4 15:15:20 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:11:10 2003 Subject: Duality Of Networks On WBZ Message-ID: <200311041515.AA508363156@mail.ttlc.net> Interesting to hear the WBZ newsmen report about CBS dropping plans to air the Reagan Mini-series in the face of mucho criticism - and then going to ABC news for a report thereupon. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 4 15:23:23 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:19:13 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" Message-ID: <200311041523.AA4284809428@mail.ttlc.net> "Joseph Pappalardo" wrote: >What year was Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind' released? >I heard it last night on WODS. I had to double-check the radio dial! You're listening to Mix 103.3 with a Better Mix of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's. BTW: What are we going to call this decade? The Naughties? From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 4 15:27:58 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:28:01 2003 Subject: Retiring the term 'oldies' In-Reply-To: <00e201c3a30e$c5cb23c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <200311041734.hA4HYjRc009386@all-night-tool.mit.edu> <00e201c3a30e$c5cb23c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <62891.216.204.15.170.1067977678.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > What year was Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind' released? > > I heard it last night on WODS. I had to double-check the radio dial! The studio version was on the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" album, released in 1973, the live (single) was from '87. There was a third version with somewhat different lyrics in the mid 90s after Princess Diana died. While '87 is a stretch, I've heard plenty of other early 70s EJ on WODS. From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 4 16:22:23 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:17:19 2003 Subject: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031104083801.00a13bf0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: Since the youngest (generally speaking) listener of pre 1964 oldies was likely a circa 1965 HS graduate, and is now 56 years old, and either outside or at the edge of the prime demo, other than graveyard AM's, I doubt you'll see the genre anywhere else. How many "beautiful music" stations are there now vs 15-20 years ago? Nirvana's "Smells like Teen Spirit" will be on so called "oldies" stations in 10 years (or less) as those HS grads hit 40! Paul Hopfgarten PO Box 279 East Derry NH 03041 (V) 603-426-5159 (F) 603-437-7080 (C) 603-571-5445 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of SteveOrdinetz > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:45 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: BRW: Retiring the term "oldies" > > > Bob Nelson wrote: > >The latest "issue" of Boston Radio Watch mentions an > >article about how Infinity/Viacom stations may soon be > >retiring the term "oldies" at their, uh, oldies > >stations (perhaps even WODS, "Oldies 103.3"...) > > > > Kind of makes sense. While a 30 year old song is, by anyone's definition > old, the term "oldie" tends to be associated with Elvis, Little Richard & > the 4 Seasons, not BTO, Billy Joel or the Eagles. With most "oldies" > stations focusing almost exclusively on post-British invasion music it's > probably a good idea to lose the old handle. I guess it remains > to be seen > if the new crop of 1955-1965 oldies stations succeeds. > From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 4 16:28:11 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:23:08 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <200311041523.AA4284809428@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: The "aughts", no? Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of rogerkirk > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:23 PM > To: Dan Strassberg; Shawn Mamros; Joseph Pappalardo > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Retiring the term "oldies" > > > "Joseph Pappalardo" wrote: > > >What year was Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind' released? > >I heard it last night on WODS. I had to double-check the radio dial! > > You're listening to Mix 103.3 with a Better Mix of the 60's, 70's, > 80's, 90's and 00's. > > BTW: What are we going to call this decade? The Naughties? > > From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Nov 4 16:56:38 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:57:07 2003 Subject: ZITS Retry Message-ID: About two weeks ago, I made reference to the "Zits" comic strip that BRIGers might find interesting. The King Features website only displayed two-week-old "archives" so I employed a daily newspaper that worked on Google, but wouldn't click through here. Well, two weeks have passed and the strip I referenced is today's (11/04) archive on King features...so let's try it again (if it rolls over, select October 21) http://www.kingfeatures.com/features/comics/zits/about.htm Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 4 18:35:32 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 4 18:35:41 2003 Subject: FCC approves Digital TV flag Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104183151.00a615b0@mail.speakeasy.net> FCC approves technology to limit Internet piracy of digital TV shows By Jonathan D. Salant, Associated Press, 11/4/2003 17:48 WASHINGTON (AP) The government on Tuesday approved an anti-piracy mechanism to make it harder for computer users to illegally distribute digital TV programs on the Internet. In its order, the Federal Communications Commission told makers of digital television receivers that by July 1, 2005, their models must recognize an electronic marker that broadcasters can embed in their programs to limit piracy. (full article at) http://www.boston.com/dailynews/308/wash/FCC_approves_technology_to_lim:.shtml Is it just me, or is this article got some of its facts very poorly represented? The description of how analog vs. digital TV works is skirting the edge of misrepresentation, and the statement: The proliferation of music on the Internet has held down the sales of CDs, and the music industry has started to sue listeners who illegally distribute the songs online. Is still hotly disputed, although the AP is presenting it as fact. Not to mention the article leaves out that there's a snowball's chance in hell the technology to create this "flag" can be successfully implemented in all new digital TV sets by July 1st 2005, and even if by some miracle they make it...it'll already have been cracked, no doubt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 4 19:06:32 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 4 19:02:24 2003 Subject: FCC approves Digital TV flag Message-ID: <200311041906.AA232259750@mail.ttlc.net> Aaron Read noted/asked: > >Is it just me, or is this article got some of its facts very poorly >represented? The description of how analog vs. digital TV works is >skirting the edge of misrepresentation, Yes & No i.e. the use of the term "Computer Language" refers to 1's & 0's - which is true. Vague, but true. >and the statement: The proliferation of music on the Internet has >held down the sales of CDs, and the music industry has started to >sue listeners who illegally distribute the songs online. The first clause is subjective and open to debate. How much the sales have been held down is not well-defined - maybe only 1 or 2 CD's (who knows?), but definitely held down. And, it is true the music industry is suing people who illegally distribute. >Not to mention the article leaves out that there's a snowball's >chance in hell the technology to create this "flag" can be >successfully implemented in all new digital TV sets by July 1st 2005, If the copyright owners want it to happen, the Pharaoh will say "so it is written, so let it be done" and voila, manufacturers will step in line. See how easy it is to do? >and even if by some miracle they make it...it'll already have been >cracked, no doubt. Ah, but IIRC, implementation of a decryption scheme is patented along with the encryption scheme. Implementation of any decryption scheme violates the law (patent/license scheme.) Or so some would have us believe. Be that as it may - anyone hell-bent on breaking the law is unlikely to be ultra-choosy about how the law is broken unless the penalty differences are onerous. It appears that writing for the masses is easy. Just gloss over technical stuff, present allegations as facts and choose the data that supports your point. What could be simpler? From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 4 21:22:41 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 4 21:21:51 2003 Subject: ZITS Retry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031104212125.00a96ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> >Meet Jeremy's brother, Chad, the glowing college > student. Jeremy will have to live up to his brother's dreadfully > perfect example. A bit off topic, but I don't think I've ever seen a reference to Jeremy having a brother in that strip. Did he get written out almost immediately? From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 22:14:04 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue Nov 4 22:14:07 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 Message-ID: <20031105031404.53701.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Did a little listening to 1150AM while on the way home this afternoon. I was a a little surprised. They had some produced ID's and a slogan ready to go: The Boston "T" Party - W-T-T-T. While the host (Hugh Hewitt) was a conservative....He appeared to be mild-mannered. One thing though.... I heard the host (Hewitt) welcome his new Boston listeners at "WTTT - AM 9-50". ===== Joe Pappalardo joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 5 00:17:02 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Nov 5 00:18:18 2003 Subject: Retiring the term "oldies" In-Reply-To: <200311041734.hA4HYjRc009386@all-night-tool.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:36:42 EST." <001501c3a2e1$46e722c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FA8417E.3089.AF9966@localhost> On 4 Nov 2003 at 12:34, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Do the calls really matter much on that station? Last time I listened to > it (admittedly, a while ago), the only time the calls were used OTA was > for the top-of-the-hour Drake-style jingle which serves as their legal ID. > The average regular listener might not even know the calls if you asked > them; they're likely to only know "Oldies 103.3". Last time I noticed, the sign on the front of the building on Soldiers Field Road still said "Oldies 103." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Nov 5 01:19:05 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed Nov 5 01:20:08 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <20031105031404.53701.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031105005506.023b01c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Joe P. wrote-- >One thing though.... I heard the host (Hewitt) >welcome his new Boston listeners at "WTTT - AM 9-50". The station seems to be trying to image itself as a conservative station that even a stereotypically Massachusetts liberal can like-- one promo had a female voice who said she listened but didn't know how to tell her friends, or something like that-- she said she had voted for all of the Kennedys but she wasn't ashamed to admit she liked this new station... Basically, it sounded like a kinder gentler version of conservative talk, blaming Clinton for most things and defending Bush... yawn... do we need yet another conservative talk station in town? From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Nov 5 06:49:06 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed Nov 5 06:50:21 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 References: <20031105031404.53701.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c3a392$f6117dc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Yes, I even tried calling to see if I could clear up the continual references to the wrong frequency, but by the time I got to the phone, the tape delay had begun. BTW, Hewitt's show, which has been heard at least for months--and probably longer--on WROL 950, was on both 950 and 1150 last night from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM. Moreover, I could believe that 950 was on full day power overnight. OTOH 1150 did a full three-hour rebroadcast of Hewitt from 9:00 PM to midnight, whereas at 9:00 PM, 950 switched to preaching--of which I listened to only a minute or two. What little I heard of the preaching sounded well produced. The program allegedly originated at, or was at least brokered to, a church somewhere on the South Shore. What really disappointed me was that I did not find David Lawrence's program on WTTT. According to the Globe article about the station of a few days ago, David's show was supposed to air on 1150 from 9:00 PM to midnight, which I think would have meant Boston would be getting the national live feed. Now, it could be that the Hugh Hewitt repeat from 9:00 PM to midnight on 1150 was just a first-day thing, but I have the feeling that the information about Lawrence's program in the Globe (supposedly a quote from a Salem programming executive) was wrong and that Salem is making WTTT 100% political talk--something the programming exec just didn't realize. I have to agree that Hewitt, Medved, Gallagher et al, while ardent conservatives, are a lot more polite and even somewhat more even handed with the callers than are Michael Savage and many of the conservative hosts on other networks. Still, I had to chuckle when a caller took one host to task for enagaging in name calling and the host--in one sentence--denied that he ever engages in name calling and then immediately referred to Wesley Clark as Weasley Clark. Such shenanigans may please the masses but they reveal the bankruptcy of the host's arguments. I consider Savage's habitual name calling to be the single feature of his program that most contributes to his complete lack of credibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Pappalardo To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: WTTT - - AM950 > Did a little listening to 1150AM while on the way home > this afternoon. > > I was a a little surprised. > > They had some produced ID's and a slogan ready to go: > The Boston "T" Party - W-T-T-T. > > While the host (Hugh Hewitt) was a conservative....He > appeared to be mild-mannered. > > One thing though.... I heard the host (Hewitt) > welcome his new Boston listeners at "WTTT - AM 9-50". > > > > ===== > Joe Pappalardo > > joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Nov 5 09:06:27 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Nov 5 09:05:36 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <001001c3a392$f6117dc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20031105031404.53701.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031105085635.00a32ca0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >I have to agree that Hewitt, Medved, Gallagher et al, while ardent >conservatives, are a lot more polite and even somewhat more even handed with >the callers than are Michael Savage and many of the conservative hosts on >other networks. I'm not familiar with Hewitt or Medved, but I don't hear a dime's worth of difference between Gallagher & Savage (unless Gallagher has mellowed considerably in the past year or so). Part of the problem with there being so few liberal hosts outside of public radio is that they tend to be rather dry and boring. Even Mario Cuomo, who was a captivating speaker live sounded sort of dull on his talk show. For liberal talkers to succeed, they need (1) to insert a little showbiz into their act and (2) change their presentation so they don't come across as squishy "Cambridge" types. It seems that the flaming conservative act is starting to wear thin...might be a good time for a liberal equivalent of Rush to come on the scene. But you've still got to be an entertainer first or you're toast. From aread@speakeasy.net Wed Nov 5 09:48:30 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Wed Nov 5 09:48:46 2003 Subject: ZITS Retry In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031104212125.00a96ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031105094257.03e546b0@mail.speakeasy.net> At 09:22 PM 11/4/2003, you wrote: >>Meet Jeremy's brother, Chad, the glowing college >> student. Jeremy will have to live up to his brother's dreadfully >> perfect example. > >A bit off topic, but I don't think I've ever seen a reference to Jeremy >having a brother in that strip. Did he get written out almost immediately? Chad shows up every once in a great while since he's off at college and presumably stays at college over the summer (because he's so perfect, probably takes summer courses to graduate early and works to pay his own way through college). Usually his only appearances are around Christmastime and now and then Jeremy talks to him on the phone (usually screams at him - they rarely get along). As the "Great Big Honkin' Zits" compliation says, they're named after the British pop duo "Chad & Jeremy" from the 1960's, and both Walt and Connie (the parents) think it was the other's idea to name their kids after that "stupid band". On a closer to home bit, today's Non Sequitur has Joe Pyle (one of main characters; he has a liberal talk show at a station you can vaguely infer is in Maine) go into shock because the newscaster announces the station they work for has been sold to Clear Channel, and the news guy is thrilled because it means they'll only have to rip-n-read White House Press releases instead of actually working to report the news. http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From madprof@ix.netcom.com Wed Nov 5 12:01:56 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Wed Nov 5 12:02:42 2003 Subject: Non Sequitur (was Re: ZITS Retry) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031105094257.03e546b0@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <016901c3a3be$860516a0$122b4b43@p133> for those of us who don't know how to find the Non Sequitur comic strip, (I didn't), hit http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/ Thank you, Aaron ,for the tip! -Madprof From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 13:12:45 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Nov 5 13:13:14 2003 Subject: ZITS Retry In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031105094257.03e546b0@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20031105181245.57243.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> > As the "Great Big Honkin' Zits" compliation says, > they're named after the > British pop duo "Chad & Jeremy" from the 1960's Another comic strip, about a couple who have kids, makes it clear that the couple are baby boomers-- as their names salute two 60s performers: "Arlo and Janis". Also, when it comes to comic strips and radio, we can't forget "Megaphone Mark" Slackmeyer, college radio DJ and talk host of "Doonesbury" fame. From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 13:15:46 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed Nov 5 13:15:50 2003 Subject: "Magic" music Message-ID: <20031105181546.42826.qmail@web20711.mail.yahoo.com> I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- Every lil Thing She does... Thanks in advance for any help __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From wftn@comcast.net Wed Nov 5 13:57:55 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Wed Nov 5 13:58:04 2003 Subject: "Magic" music Message-ID: <110520031857.18858.7985@comcast.net> Hi Cooper, Here's what I came up with: Strange Magic - Electric Light Orchestra That Old Black Magic - Frank Sinatra This Magic Moment - Drifters/Jay & The Americans You Can Do Magic - America (You've Got The)Magic touch - Platters You've Made Me Believe In Magic - Bay City Rollers Black Magic Woman - Santana Could It Be Magic - Barry Manilow Do You Believe In Magic - Shaun Cassidy/Lovin' Spoonful Magic - Olivia Newton-John Magic - Pilot Magic Bus - Who Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf Magic Man - Heart Magic Stick - Lil' Kim f/50 Cent Magical Mystery tour - Beatles Puff The Magic Dragon - Peter, Paul & Mary Hope this helps! Gary Ford Music Director WFTN-FM > I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone > name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic > in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- > Every lil Thing She does... > > Thanks in advance for any help > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Nov 5 15:34:15 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed Nov 5 15:30:28 2003 Subject: "Magic" music Message-ID: <200311051534.AA1308426484@mail.ttlc.net> Cooper Fox asked: >I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone >name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic >in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- >Every lil Thing She does... Magic - Pilot Magic Man - Heart Do You Believe In Magic - Lovin' Spoonful From paul@03038.com Wed Nov 5 16:21:27 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed Nov 5 16:16:25 2003 Subject: "Magic" music In-Reply-To: <20031105181546.42826.qmail@web20711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Was it ELO that had "Srange Magic" in the 70's? Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Cooper Fox > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:16 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: "Magic" music > > > I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone > name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic > in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- > Every lil Thing She does... > > Thanks in advance for any help > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Nov 5 16:24:20 2003 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed Nov 5 16:24:29 2003 Subject: "Magic" music In-Reply-To: <20031105181546.42826.qmail@web20711.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031105181546.42826.qmail@web20711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA96A84.4010206@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Here are three more: Could this be Magic - the Dubs Magic Moments - Perry Como Magic Town - The Vogues Tony Cooper Fox wrote: >I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone >name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic >in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- >Every lil Thing She does... > >Thanks in advance for any help > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > > From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Nov 5 17:12:31 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:12:53 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WTTT - - AM950 Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:06:27 >From: SteveOrdinetz >To: >I'm not familiar with Hewitt or Medved, but I don't >hear a dime's worth of >difference between Gallagher & Savage (unless >Gallagher has mellowed >considerably in the past year or so). >Part of the problem with there being so few liberal >hosts outside of public >radio is that they tend to be rather dry and boring. >Even Mario Cuomo, who >was a captivating speaker live sounded sort of dull >on his talk show. Mario Cuomo had an interesting "discussion" program (didn't accept calls) on Albany's WAMC and its sisters and its cousins that they reckoned up by dozens; super Mario would answer questions submitted by someone named Chartoff(sp?) of the Univ of NY in Albany, and the two engaged in spirited dialog. I didn't hear it the last time I was out there...it may be a monthly show or I just plain missed it, but Hamlet on the Hudson acquitted himself very well I'd say. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Nov 5 17:23:30 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:23:56 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WTTT - - AM950 Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:49:06 >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Joseph Pappalardo" ,"Boston Radio Interest" Yes, I even tried calling to see if I could clear up >the continual >references to the wrong frequency, but by the time I >got to the phone, the >tape delay had begun. BTW, Hewitt's show, which has >been heard at least for >months--and probably longer--on WROL 950, was on both >950 and 1150 last >night from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM. Moreover, I could >believe that 950 was on >full day power overnight. You are corroborating some posts I've made in the past about WROL's lackadaisical adherence to power-up/power-down rules. In July , I mentioned that I picked up WROL at 10:00 pm in Pittsfield over WPEN in Philly and WIBX from Utica, NY. (I heard an official station ID at 10:00 pm; power-down time in July is 8:30). This is not new to Salem; in the Carbery days, I was at a summer home-opening on the Cape of Cod, and the hostess, being Hibernian by heritage, had the Irish Hit Parade on a radio near the grill. It continued being clearly audible after 8:00 pm (this was Memorial Day weekend), and later I checked out 950 on rt 6 while heading home, and WROL was quite audible over the PA and NY stations. It was so long ago, 950 in Presque Isle may still have been on. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Nov 5 17:29:41 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:37:30 2003 Subject: Fwd: FCC approves Digital TV flag Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:35:32 >From: Aaron Read >To: bri@bostonradio.org >FCC approves technology to limit Internet piracy of >digital TV shows >By Jonathan D. Salant, Associated Press, 11/4/2003 >17:48 >WASHINGTON (AP) The government on Tuesday approved an >anti-piracy mechanism >to make it harder for computer users to illegally >distribute digital TV >programs on the Internet. >In its order, the Federal Communications Commission >told makers of digital >television receivers that by July 1, 2005, their >models must recognize an >electronic marker that broadcasters can embed in >their programs to limit >piracy. >Not to mention the article leaves out that there's a >snowball's chance in >hell the technology to create this "flag" can be >successfully implemented >in all new digital TV sets by July 1st 2005, and even >if by some miracle >they make it...it'll already have been cracked, no >doubt. Last Sunday's "60 Minutes" did a segment on piracy of motion-picture DVD's via file-sharing a la Napster, Kazaa or Glockster. One expert commented that hackers and others of their ilk can be expected to find their way around any and all attempts to prevent piracy of digital signals, whether on disk, cable or over-the-air. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From oldradio@earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 17:56:10 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Wed Nov 5 17:57:46 2003 Subject: "Magic" music References: <110520031857.18858.7985@comcast.net> Message-ID: <039901c3a3f0$11c07550$dd51bb3f@S0031698896> ...and, let's not forget "Mr. C's"..."Magic Moments" (Perry Como,) "Magic Is The Moonlight" (Julie London,) "The Magic Flute" (Mozart,) "Where Is The Magic" (Fabian,) and "Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo" from Cinderella, along with Mary Poppin's super-duper, magical song... "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" !! Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net (Just messin' with ya! These are not AC songs!) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Cooper Fox" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: "Magic" music > Hi Cooper, > Here's what I came up with: > > Strange Magic - Electric Light Orchestra > That Old Black Magic - Frank Sinatra > This Magic Moment - Drifters/Jay & The Americans > You Can Do Magic - America > (You've Got The)Magic touch - Platters > You've Made Me Believe In Magic - Bay City Rollers > Black Magic Woman - Santana > Could It Be Magic - Barry Manilow > Do You Believe In Magic - Shaun Cassidy/Lovin' Spoonful > Magic - Olivia Newton-John > Magic - Pilot > Magic Bus - Who > Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf > Magic Man - Heart > Magic Stick - Lil' Kim f/50 Cent > Magical Mystery tour - Beatles > Puff The Magic Dragon - Peter, Paul & Mary > > Hope this helps! > > Gary Ford > Music Director > WFTN-FM > > I know this is slightly off topic, but... Can anyone > > name Top-40ish/Hot Ac songs that have the word Magic > > in them? So far I have the Cars-Magic and Police- > > Every lil Thing She does... > > > > Thanks in advance for any help > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 18:00:35 2003 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Wed Nov 5 18:00:45 2003 Subject: FCC Confiscates Bay-Area Pirate's Equipment In-Reply-To: <20031026195943.13786.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031105230035.15633.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Nelson wrote: > > --- Rod O'Connor wrote: > > Speaking of pirates...Anybody heard the latest on > > "Radio Free > > Brattleboro" over in VT ?? > > Are they still on the air, or did the FCC > > (hopefully) shut them down > > again? > > From their site (http://www.rfb.fm) there's a link > to > a "community forum" about them. > > I think they may be off (broadcast) for now while > they > explore their various options to broadcast either > illegally or legally. But in the meantime they are > streaming on the Net. As of today (11/5/03), they are still broadcasting on 107.9. A representative of the station stated at last night's Brattleboro Selectboard meeting that they would continue to operate until one of two things happens: A. The FCC confiscates their equipment, or B. One of the two pending LPFM applications for Brattleboro are granted by the FCC, at which time rfb members would be "absorbed" by the new station. Doug Bassett Brattleboro, VT __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Nov 5 18:33:54 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Nov 5 18:34:11 2003 Subject: Paula Lyons Out As Channel 4 Consumer Reporter Message-ID: I guess there's a quota for consumer reporters, as WBZ-TV is giving Paula Lyons her walking papers, maybe. Read all about it at: http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/11/05/what_would_abby_say/ Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ FREE ADHD DVD or CD-Rom (your choice) - click here! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda2.com/1/c/563632/131726/311392/311392 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Nov 5 21:32:01 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Nov 5 21:34:17 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031105005506.023b01c0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031105005506.023b01c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1068086042.8DB4B03@w5.dngr.org> Makes one miss the good old days of Haywood Vincent, Paul B Jim Westover, Steve Fredricks etc We were trying to recall the overnight WEEI host of 25 years ago.. Bruce Lee sound familar to anyone? On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 1:28AM -0500, Donna Halper wrote: yet another conservative talk station in town? From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 5 23:58:47 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Nov 6 00:01:12 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031105005506.023b01c0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <20031105031404.53701.qmail@web12403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA98EB7.13197.8E0EBA@localhost> On 5 Nov 2003 at 1:19, Donna Halper wrote: > The station seems to be trying to image itself as a conservative station > that even a stereotypically Massachusetts liberal can like-- one promo had > a female voice who said she listened but didn't know how to tell her > friends, or something like that-- she said she had voted for all of the > Kennedys but she wasn't ashamed to admit she liked this new station... > Basically, it sounded like a kinder gentler version of conservative talk, > blaming Clinton for most things and defending Bush... yawn... do we need > yet another conservative talk station in town? Something occurred to me -- On last Sunday's LTAR, something was said about some survey of talk-radio listeners which found that they were very conservative, and that was the reason that a liberal talk show wouldn't work. But that's a self-selected group. If talk shows are conservative, naturally those who listen will be conservative. They won't listen to a liberal talk show, but people of more liberal pursuasion won't listen to a conservative talk show, either. So a good liberal talk show might attract an audience that is not now listening to talk shows. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 03:17:10 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 6 03:18:01 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <3FA98EB7.13197.8E0EBA@localhost> Message-ID: <20031106081710.11639.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: If talk shows are > conservative, naturally those who listen > will be conservative. They won't listen to a > liberal talk show, but people of more liberal > pursuasion won't listen to a conservative talk show, > either. Not necessarily; yes, MOST listeners of a conservative host would tend to be conservative, but some liberals do listen and occasionally call. And there have been some liberal hosts-- Alan Colmes, Stephanie Miller-- who have attracted listeners of both "wings". Such as yours truly (as I've said before, I'm conservative in some issues and liberal/moderate in others). I enjoyed Colmes during his brief stint on WRKO and also loved Steph's show. So a good liberal talk show might > attract an audience that is not now listening to > talk shows. Those who are liberal and are not quite into Carr, Severin, Hannity, etc. might be listening to talk shows already, though-- talk and news programming on NPR. By the way on her syndicated show tonight, Laura Ingraham played excerpts from her appearance on ABC-TV's "The View". The hosts (Star Jones, Joy Behar, Baba Wawa, etc.) wouldn't even let their guest talk-- well, she'd let out a few words but then the others would barge in and for the most part disagree...and soon it sounded like the kind of shoutfest usually heard on WEEI's "The Big Show". At least most RADIO talk show hosts let their guests say more than a few words before they interject...Ingraham said she later got an apology from the show's producers about the hosts' behavior toward her. And by the way, when it comes the CBS pulling the Reagan biopic: a) there were economic reasons involved-- possible sponsor boycotts, plus Viacom/ CBS wants to own more stations and the GOP-controlled Congress could be a roadblock in their way, so they didn't want to rock the boat with the controversial film; and, b) remember Michael Savage's MSNBC show, and Dr. Laura's TV show? Both were victims of economic boycotts, viewer complaints, etc. So the pendulum swings both ways... hopefully those on the Left will remember that they had their own "victories" when it came to controversial TV programs. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Nov 6 06:17:04 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Nov 6 06:17:06 2003 Subject: Bobby Hatfield Of The Righteous Brothers Has Passed Away Message-ID: <007a01c3a457$82cba500$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Just saw on the news on WCVB (Channel 5) that Bobby Hatfield, one half of the Righteous Brothers has died in Michigan at the age of 63. He was found dead in his hotel room a half hour before a scheduled performance. An autopsy will be performed to determine the cause of death. Their biggest hit, "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' " recorded in 1964, is reportedly holds the title of the most played song on the radio. I wonder if Oldies 103.3, and other oldies stations in New England will play more of the Righteous Brothers' hits in tribute today. Mark Watson From sid@wrko.com Thu Nov 6 08:45:54 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu Nov 6 08:46:23 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 Message-ID: >>On last Sunday's LTAR, something was said about some survey of talk-radio listeners which found that they were very conservative, and that was the reason that a liberal talk show wouldn't work.<< Gee...how profound. Conservatives listen to conservative talk shows, and won't listen to liberal talk shows. What a revelation. Conservative talk-radio works because it is, for the most part, entertaining. Liberal talk-radio hasn't worked because it is, for the most part, boring. If someone could find a liberal talk host who is entertaining, he or she would likely do just as well as Rush, Sean, Savage or anyone else. Listening to Mario Cuomo or Alan Dershowitz lecture to the microphone is about as entertaining as watching a fly walk up a wall. Radio programming is not about politics and never has been. It is about entertainment. Some of the most liberal of station owners regularly program conservative talk shows...because they entertain and bring in ratings and revenue. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From hmadjid@yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 10:52:42 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Thu Nov 6 10:53:01 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 Message-ID: <20031106155242.27217.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> >Makes one miss the good old days of Haywood Vincent, >Paul B Jim Westover, Steve Fredricks etc >We were trying to recall the overnight WEEI host of >25 years ago.. Bruce Lee sound familar to anyone? IIRC, Bruce Lee was the overnight host on WEEI in the several years prior to the station becoming all news. I seem to remember that in the late 60s, that Jim Westover had the late evening or overnight shift on EEI? Of course I may not be remembering correctly. Some really great talk radio on 590 back then. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From steve@steverunner.com Thu Nov 6 11:36:59 2003 From: steve@steverunner.com (Steve Runner) Date: Thu Nov 6 11:37:14 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <20031106155242.27217.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c3a484$367d5e50$9a00050a@baa17169> Barry Londerville (sp?) did overnights at WEEI NewsRadio 590 in the 1980's. (I used to switch the board back to "combo" mode at 5am in the mornings). - Steve --------------------------- Steve Walker Sr. Network Analyst Managed Network Services 125 Jeffrey Ave Holliston, MA 91746 Tel: 508-893-8141 Fax:508-429-0500 AIM: Steven4 www.aimnetsolutions.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Hakim Madjid Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:53 AM To: kvahey@tmail.com; dlh@donnahalper.com; joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: WTTT - - AM950 >Makes one miss the good old days of Haywood Vincent, >Paul B Jim Westover, Steve Fredricks etc >We were trying to recall the overnight WEEI host of >25 years ago.. Bruce Lee sound familar to anyone? IIRC, Bruce Lee was the overnight host on WEEI in the several years prior to the station becoming all news. I seem to remember that in the late 60s, that Jim Westover had the late evening or overnight shift on EEI? Of course I may not be remembering correctly. Some really great talk radio on 590 back then. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Nov 6 11:46:41 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Nov 6 11:50:38 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <20031106155242.27217.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031106155242.27217.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068137372.1C25494B@s5.dngr.org> 680 wasn't bad either before flip to Top 40 Haywood Vincent, Paul B, Bob Gallager, and perhaps the best talent who ever came out of WNAC, Roy Leonard who when WNAC flipped went to Chicago and struck gold. Throw in Bob Kennedy at BZ, Glick and Williams at WMEX and talk raadio was as good in Boston as anywhere in those days. On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:52AM -0500, Hakim Madjid wrote: > > Some really great talk radio on 590 back then. > > > > > ===== > 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 13:23:54 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:24:18 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031106182354.33696.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sid Schweiger wrote: > Conservative talk-radio works because it is, for the > most part, entertaining. Liberal talk-radio hasn't > worked because it is, for the most part, boring. Yes, and I can think of two liberal hosts who, in my opinion, were not boring-- and both have aired on WRKO in the 10 pm time slot. Stephanie Miller (whose syndicator scrapped her show) and Alan Colmes (who was only on 'RKO for a few weeks, at the start of the Iraq war). If anything, Miller's comedy gifts ("Stand Up News", etc.) were a big plus; as for Colmes, "Fox News Live" was a fast-paced look at the news with Colmes interviewing the likes of Ollie North and Fox correspondents like Geraldo Rivera, and taking a few calls. Both Colmes and Hannity have said they're flexible with issues-- i.e., they don't necessarily agree with lawmakers and pundits on every issue, and they let their disagreements be known. Hannity, for example, may agree with the President on most issues but may disagree on things like immigration restrictions (or lack thereof). As I listened to Colmes in his brief WRKO stint, I found sometimes he was more moderate than liberal. > Radio programming is not about politics and never > has been. It is about entertainment. Some of the > most liberal of station owners regularly program > conservative talk shows...because they entertain and > bring in ratings and revenue. Indeed. By the way, did you hear about how the late Joan Kroc of McDonald's fame bequeathed $200 million to NPR? So that's good news for those who like the left-leaning news/talk on NPR (as well as music/cultural programming). Talk about a "super- sized" donation! :) From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 13:58:00 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu Nov 6 13:58:05 2003 Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM Message-ID: <20031106185800.1072.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Just listening to 97.3 and heard spanish programming. Very clear so I don't believe it was skip. Anyone know of anything on that freq in the southern maine, northeastern NH area? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Nov 6 14:03:27 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:03:50 2003 Subject: #2 super-sized (was: Re: WTTT - - AM950) In-Reply-To: <20031106182354.33696.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031106182354.33696.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FAA9AFF.5070308@gabrielmass.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Indeed. By the way, did you hear about how the late > Joan Kroc of McDonald's fame bequeathed $200 million > to NPR? So that's good news for those who like > the left-leaning news/talk on NPR (as well as > music/cultural programming). Talk about a "super- > sized" donation! :) No surprise there: my usual reaction to NPR commentary is "what a Kroc!" :-) -_RC From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 6 14:04:47 2003 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:05:27 2003 Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM In-Reply-To: <20031106185800.1072.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c3a498$dc448c50$6400a8c0@AMD> Are you sure it wasn't Portuguese? 97.3 WJFD in New Bedford, MA has a great signal surprisingly in parts of NH. There's a little bit of tropo ducting out there today, so it's probably even stronger than normal right now. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Cooper Fox Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM Just listening to 97.3 and heard spanish programming. Very clear so I don't believe it was skip. Anyone know of anything on that freq in the southern maine, northeastern NH area? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 14:40:07 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu Nov 6 14:40:21 2003 Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM In-Reply-To: <004301c3a498$dc448c50$6400a8c0@AMD> Message-ID: <20031106194007.59364.qmail@web20714.mail.yahoo.com> As it happens... My resident expert on portuguese says that she is reasonably certain that it is Portuguese on that freq. Thanks --- Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Are you sure it wasn't Portuguese? 97.3 WJFD in New > Bedford, MA has a > great signal surprisingly in parts of NH. There's a > little bit of tropo > ducting out there today, so it's probably even > stronger than normal > right now. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf > Of Cooper Fox > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM > > Just listening to 97.3 and heard spanish > programming. > Very clear so I don't believe it was skip. Anyone > know of anything on that freq in the southern maine, > northeastern NH area? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From paul@03038.com Thu Nov 6 15:59:01 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Nov 6 15:53:46 2003 Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM In-Reply-To: <20031106185800.1072.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think it was the Portuguese station (WJDF?) out of New Bedford MA, which I can sometimes pick up here in Derry. Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Cooper Fox > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: ME/NH 97.3 FM > > > Just listening to 97.3 and heard spanish programming. > Very clear so I don't believe it was skip. Anyone > know of anything on that freq in the southern maine, > northeastern NH area? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Nov 6 16:04:14 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Nov 6 15:58:42 2003 Subject: Magic Songs Message-ID: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> Anyone on the list save the recent postings with all of the "Magic" songs on them? Right after I deleted the last of them I got commissioned to voice a PSA for a local magic convention. Thanks in advance. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From news@southstation.org Thu Nov 6 16:17:41 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:19:28 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: Got them, Brian; I'll send them to you off-list. -Larry Lovering > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Brian Vita > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:04 PM > To: 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: Magic Songs > > > Anyone on the list save the recent postings with all of the > "Magic" songs on > them? Right after I deleted the last of them I got commissioned > to voice a > PSA for a local magic convention. Thanks in advance. > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > +1-978-538-7575 voice > +1-978-538-7550 fax > www.cssinc.com > > > From wftn@comcast.net Thu Nov 6 17:44:16 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Thu Nov 6 17:45:02 2003 Subject: Retiring the term 'oldies' Message-ID: <110620032244.9559.4f38@comcast.net> How about Roy Orbison's "You've Got It" on Oldies stations. That was put out in 1989. Gary Ford WFTN-FM Music Director > > What year was Elton John's 'Candle in the Wind' released? > > > > I heard it last night on WODS. I had to double-check the radio dial! > > The studio version was on the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" album, released > in 1973, the live (single) was from '87. There was a third version with > somewhat different lyrics in the mid 90s after Princess Diana died. While > '87 is a stretch, I've heard plenty of other early 70s EJ on WODS. > > From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Nov 6 18:52:38 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Nov 6 18:54:57 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 References: <20031106081710.11639.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3a4c1$0f3f5cc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:17 AM Subject: Re: WTTT - - AM950 > And by the way, when it comes the CBS pulling the > Reagan biopic: a) there were economic reasons > involved-- possible sponsor boycotts, plus Viacom/ > CBS wants to own more stations and the GOP-controlled > Congress could be a roadblock in their way, so > they didn't want to rock the boat with the > controversial film; and, b) remember Michael > Savage's MSNBC show, and Dr. Laura's TV show? > Both were victims of economic boycotts, viewer > complaints, etc. So the pendulum swings both > ways... hopefully those on the Left will remember > that they had their own "victories" when it came > to controversial TV programs. Great point! From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Nov 6 18:52:38 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Nov 6 20:08:33 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 References: <20031106081710.11639.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3a4c1$0f3f5cc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "A. Joseph Ross" ; Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:17 AM Subject: Re: WTTT - - AM950 > And by the way, when it comes the CBS pulling the > Reagan biopic: a) there were economic reasons > involved-- possible sponsor boycotts, plus Viacom/ > CBS wants to own more stations and the GOP-controlled > Congress could be a roadblock in their way, so > they didn't want to rock the boat with the > controversial film; and, b) remember Michael > Savage's MSNBC show, and Dr. Laura's TV show? > Both were victims of economic boycotts, viewer > complaints, etc. So the pendulum swings both > ways... hopefully those on the Left will remember > that they had their own "victories" when it came > to controversial TV programs. Great point! From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 6 20:52:41 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 6 21:09:21 2003 Subject: Retiring the term 'oldies' In-Reply-To: <110620032244.9559.4f38@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031106204150.00a90570@pop3.bit-net.com> Gary Ford wrote: >How about Roy Orbison's "You've Got It" on Oldies stations. That was put >out in 1989. > By any definition Roy is an oldies artist, I think that's about all he ever charted after 1966 or so. It's like "Burning Love" by Elvis...oldies stations were playing that one 20 years ago since he was a core artist even though it was a bit new for the format (back then). A little different situation with Elton John, who's considered more of an AC act these days. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Nov 6 23:03:51 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Nov 6 23:04:28 2003 Subject: WTTT - - AM950 In-Reply-To: <20031106081710.11639.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3FA98EB7.13197.8E0EBA@localhost> Message-ID: <3FAAD357.11068.6B5D3E@localhost> On 6 Nov 2003 at 0:17, Bob Nelson wrote: > Not necessarily; yes, MOST listeners of a conservative > host would tend to be conservative, > but some liberals do listen and occasionally call. > And there have been some liberal hosts-- Alan > Colmes, Stephanie Miller-- who have attracted > listeners of both "wings". Such as yours truly OK, there are always exceptions. But my point was that since most talk shows are conservative, most listeners are conservative. There may be exceptions, but this alone would explain why surveys showing that talk show listeners are conservative are simply self- fulfilling. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Nov 6 23:52:57 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Nov 6 23:48:59 2003 Subject: Retiring the term 'oldies' Message-ID: <200311062352.AA152240792@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz wrote: >A little different situation with Elton John, who's considered more >of an AC act these days. Meatloaf is considered an AC act these days. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Nov 7 08:49:50 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri Nov 7 08:51:12 2003 Subject: Magic Songs References: Message-ID: <005e01c3a536$2d57c650$6400a8c0@brianhome> Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Lovering" To: ; "'Boston Radio Interest'" Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Magic Songs > Got them, Brian; I'll send them to you off-list. > > -Larry Lovering > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > > Of Brian Vita > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:04 PM > > To: 'Boston Radio Interest' > > Subject: Magic Songs > > > > > > Anyone on the list save the recent postings with all of the > > "Magic" songs on > > them? Right after I deleted the last of them I got commissioned > > to voice a > > PSA for a local magic convention. Thanks in advance. > > > > Brian T. Vita, President > > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > > 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > > +1-978-538-7575 voice > > +1-978-538-7550 fax > > www.cssinc.com > > > > > > > From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Nov 7 18:59:08 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Nov 7 18:54:54 2003 Subject: Marconi Tribute Film Message-ID: <200311071859.AA795541654@mail.ttlc.net> Early 1930's British Tribute to G. Marconi http://radio.about.com/b/a/039914.htm From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Nov 7 19:15:52 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Nov 7 19:11:37 2003 Subject: Very Large Rotation Of Oldies Message-ID: <200311071915.AA21103384@mail.ttlc.net> SuperOldies.com went online Sunday, November 2, 2003. It promises to play songs that entered the TOP #100 in the USA according to CASHBOX between Jan. 1955 & Dec. 1969. Plus, it will also feature Canadian, UK and Australian hits & more... www.superoldies.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Nov 8 01:35:30 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Nov 8 01:35:39 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from =?iso-8859-1?q?McDonald=92s?= widow Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108013311.01d73bc8@mail.mac.com> New Hampshire, Vermont Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonald's widow Joan Kroc leaves millions to Public Radio. http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/November2003/November_07/News/bu_1107g.asp Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, MO Wobegone is a state of mind! From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 03:21:12 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 8 03:21:25 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108013311.01d73bc8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20031108082112.30896.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > Joan Kroc leaves millions to Public Radio. ..and word has it People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is already expressing their distaste (so to speak) for the "blood money" (all those Big Macs) that will be going to NPR. Howie Carr mentioned there was a protest, and one sign spoofed the name of a long-running NPR show thusly: "Mourning Edition"...So I suppose if Kentucky Fried Chicken gives $200 million to PETA, they'll turn it down? :) From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 8 07:36:28 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 8 07:36:32 2003 Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to Clear Channel Communications Message-ID: <000701c3a5f4$ee7d05c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> http://www.centralmaine.com/news/local/151715.shtml From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 8 11:45:58 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:46:06 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <20031108082112.30896.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007901c3a617$c9b58140$6400a8c0@brianhome> > --- Larry Weil wrote: > > > Joan Kroc leaves millions to Public Radio. > > ..and word has it People for the Ethical Treatment of > Animals is already expressing their distaste (so > to speak) for the "blood money" (all those Big > Macs) that will be going to NPR. Howie Carr mentioned > there was a protest, and one sign spoofed the > name of a long-running NPR show thusly: > "Mourning Edition"...So I suppose if Kentucky > Fried Chicken gives $200 million to PETA, they'll > turn it down? :) > Think that there's any chance that NPR will turn down their welfare check from Uncle Sam this year (or at least part of it) since they got the big donation and let some other government gimme agency squander the money instead? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From hmadjid@yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 11:48:26 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:48:39 2003 Subject: FCC DTV Broadcast Flag Mandate Message-ID: <20031108164826.9410.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> How come there hasn't been any discussion on here about this weeks FCC DTV Broadcast Flag ruling? IMHO, the ruling raises some very troubling issues. Once again the Michael Powell (can't the Secretary of State's kind find another job Pleeeeeeeeeeeease?) led FCC sides with the big media conglomerates. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 8 11:59:06 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Nov 8 11:59:12 2003 Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to Clear ChannelCommunications References: <000701c3a5f4$ee7d05c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <00a401c3a619$9f6cb280$6400a8c0@brianhome> Does any feel that this is Clear Channel's way of "throwing a bone" to the FCC. By giving up a couple of stations that really won't make a big difference to CC's bottom line, CC can now point to the precedence and claim that they haven't had unprecedented growth. Its one of those "Oh yes, we want those stations ". Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to Clear ChannelCommunications > http://www.centralmaine.com/news/local/151715.shtml > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 8 12:00:20 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Nov 8 12:00:23 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonald's widow References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108013311.01d73bc8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c3a619$cb0a50f0$6400a8c0@brianhome> > New Hampshire, Vermont Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from > McDonald's widow > > Joan Kroc leaves millions to Public Radio. > Wait until they find out its to be paid in Happy Meal gift certficates. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 8 13:28:06 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 8 13:28:12 2003 Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to Clear ChannelCommunications References: <000701c3a5f4$ee7d05c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <00a401c3a619$9f6cb280$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <000801c3a626$0e3fb4d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to Clear ChannelCommunications > Does any feel that this is Clear Channel's way of "throwing a bone" to the > FCC. No. I think that CC's dominance of the Bangor and Augusta markets is just so extreme that they knew that they were unlikely to win a fight with the FCC on this. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 8 13:30:03 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 8 13:30:24 2003 Subject: Eric Boehlert on "NOW w/Bill Moyers" Message-ID: Many of you have read Eric Boehlerts writing in salon.com, at least when it was mostly free. The Jibguy has mentioned him favorably several times on LTAR. On Friday night, 11/07, he appeared during the second segment of "NOW with Bill Moyers". If you missed it, the show can be seen Sunday, 11/09, on several New England area PBS outlets: at 11:00 am, it airs on WGBX-TV ch 44 (it will be necessary to tape or TIVO this as it is on the same time as LTAR) at 2:00 pm, it airs on the stations of Vermont PTV at 6:00 pm, both Maine and New Hampshire PTV rerun the show It's the second segment after the story about the lack of follow-through by the Veterans Administration. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From aread@speakeasy.net Sat Nov 8 14:34:46 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (aread@speakeasy.net) Date: Sat Nov 8 14:34:53 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow Message-ID: > Think that there's any chance that NPR will turn down their welfare check > from Uncle Sam this year (or at least part of it) since they got the big > donation and let some other government gimme agency squander the money > instead? > > Brian T. Vita, President Ah yes, the obligatory smartass remark about public radio funding from Brian. Wouldn't be an NPR thread without it. Jeez, Brian...people have been smacked down by the facts on public radio funding vs. corporate welfare so many times I'd think you all would've have learned by now. - Aaron From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 8 14:46:37 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Nov 8 14:47:03 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> > > Think that there's any chance that NPR will turn down their welfare > > check from Uncle Sam this year (or at least part of it) > since they got > > the big donation and let some other government agency > squander > > the money instead? > > > > Brian T. Vita, President > > Ah yes, the obligatory smartass remark about public radio > funding from Brian. Wouldn't be an NPR thread without it. > > Jeez, Brian...people have been smacked down by the facts on > public radio funding vs. corporate welfare so many times I'd > think you all would've have learned by now. They are a non-profit entity that receives a portion of their funding from taxpayers. They compete in the same marketplace for the same advertising dollars as commercial stations only under the veil of donorships. I've been told that in many markets, they have similar looking rate cards to their non-commercial brethren. They have the ability to accept tax deductible donations from businesses and individuals while still suckling off of the governments teat. This is not exactly fair treatment under the law. All while spouting a left wing agenda. Shall I continue? Brian From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 8 14:54:21 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 8 14:54:36 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:34:46 >From: aread@speakeasy.net >To: "Brian Vita" ,"Bob Nelson" , "Larry Weil" ,boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Cc: > Think that there's any chance that NPR will turn down their welfare check > from Uncle Sam this year (or at least part of it) since they got the big > donation and let some other government gimme agency squander the money > instead? > > Brian T. Vita, President On "Weekend Edition/Saturday" and "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" this morning, it was made clear that this bequest will go into an endowment rather than be spent all at once. It's hoped that proceeds from the endowment will dampen revenue swings NPR and other, um "Cultural" organizations have recently experienced. (It's like every time I went white water rafting in Maine, the guide always considered me ballast to keep the raft from becoming unstable) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 8 14:55:05 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 8 14:55:08 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <000e01c3a632$3493c160$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'Larry Weil'" ; Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: RE: NH,VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow > They have the ability to accept tax deductible > donations from businesses and individuals while still suckling off of the > governments teat. Advertising is tax deductible as a business expense so buying an ad and buying underwriting by businesses are treated the same way for tax purposes so there is no public radio advantage on that score. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Nov 8 15:11:42 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat Nov 8 15:11:20 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> aaron read wrote of Brian Vita's response: >>Ah yes, the obligatory smartass remark about public radio funding from Brian. (snip) << to which Brian responded with very valid and not-out-of-line nor "smartass" points, concluding: <> Brian: AMEN. Aaron: time to drop the sanctimonious stuff about Public Radio, from which you derive your income. (you DO get paid, right?) time and again, Aaron, you stray a bit far from the topic and wind up on the soapbox. the day Public Radio stops getting federal funds (which are provided by, um... oh yeah, the taxpayers), then preach away. on this point, imo (and there's nothing humble about it this time), you were way off base. in most cases, i'm guilty of being a smartass. but then again, i'm nothing but a crass commercial broadcaster. (with pretty damn good ratings and a sold-out morning show... underwriters need not apply) - -Chuck (this space available for corporate underwriting) Igo From beckwith@ime.net Sat Nov 8 16:10:41 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:13:17 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <007701c3a63d$1eac2580$4721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Let's not lose sight of the fact that every time you buy a product or service advertised on radio you are in effect subsidizing commercial radio. And who amongst us would actively seek out products or services that don't help keep free radio free? Advertising (to say nothing of corporate giving to public radio) is part of the cost of doing business which is passed along to customers. Who is ultimately responsible for Jean Kroc's huge endowment to NPR? McDonald's customers, of course. What say did *they* have in underwriting public radio? Take care, Chris From beckwith@ime.net Sat Nov 8 16:35:47 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:35:57 2003 Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale to ClearChannelCommunications References: <000701c3a5f4$ee7d05c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><00a401c3a619$9f6cb280$6400a8c0@brianhome> <000801c3a626$0e3fb4d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <009501c3a640$485cb9a0$4721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> > > Does any feel that this is Clear Channel's way of "throwing a bone" to the > > FCC. > > No. I think that CC's dominance of the Bangor and Augusta markets is just > so extreme that they knew that they were unlikely to win a fight with the > FCC on this. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine For which Howie Carr listeners (or, should I say, ex-listeners) in the Augusta-Waterville market are eternally grateful I'm sure. Take care, Chris From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 8 16:53:44 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:53:54 2003 Subject: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale toClearChannelCommunications References: <000701c3a5f4$ee7d05c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><00a401c3a619$9f6cb280$6400a8c0@brianhome><000801c3a626$0e3fb4d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <009501c3a640$485cb9a0$4721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <002301c3a642$c941c950$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Beckwith" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: FCC ruling blocks 3 Maine stations pending sale toClearChannelCommunications > For which Howie Carr listeners (or, should I say, ex-listeners) in the > Augusta-Waterville market are eternally grateful I'm sure. > > Take care, > Chris With a good radio, WGAN is listenable in that area. I listen in my car coming and going from my office in Waterville. Carr is also still on WCME and if they ever get WCME back up to full power, it also covers most of the market. From dwcole@comcast.net Sat Nov 8 16:58:24 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan Cole) Date: Sat Nov 8 16:58:35 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <001801c3a643$6ef3ffd0$61f29318@HP310n> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" > in most cases, i'm guilty of being a smartass. but then again, i'm nothing > but a crass commercial broadcaster. (with pretty damn good ratings and a > sold-out morning show... underwriters need not apply) > > - -Chuck (this space available for corporate underwriting) Igo > > Chuck! Does this mean I get a raise? :) Dan (semi-faithful morning newsman at 100.3) From dwcole@comcast.net Sat Nov 8 17:01:29 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan Cole) Date: Sat Nov 8 17:01:48 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin><002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> <001801c3a643$6ef3ffd0$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: <000601c3a643$dcea2d20$61f29318@HP310n> > > Chuck! > > Does this mean I get a raise? :) > > > Dan > (semi-faithful morning newsman at 100.3) > > > 100.9! 100.9 100.9 100.9 !!!! That's what I get for listening to WHEB while typing!!! Dan From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Nov 8 17:38:19 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat Nov 8 17:38:13 2003 Subject: FCC DTV Broadcast Flag Mandate In-Reply-To: <20031108164826.9410.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031108173727.01aafc60@pop.gis.net> At 08:48 AM 11/8/03 -0800, Hakim Madjid wrote: >How come there hasn't been any discussion on here >about this weeks FCC DTV Broadcast Flag ruling? > >IMHO, the ruling raises some very troubling issues. > >Once again the Michael Powell (can't the Secretary of >State's kind find another job Pleeeeeeeeeeeease?) led >FCC sides with the big media conglomerates. Michael Powell was appointed by Bill Clinton From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 8 23:50:01 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 8 23:51:17 2003 Subject: FCC DTV Broadcast Flag Mandate In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20031108173727.01aafc60@pop.gis.net> References: <20031108164826.9410.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FAD8129.28725.392D9B@localhost> On 8 Nov 2003 at 17:38, Ron Bello wrote: > Michael Powell was appointed by Bill Clinton He was appointed one of the obligatory opposition-party commissioners by Clinton. He became chair and part of the majority through Bush's appointments. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 8 23:50:01 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 8 23:51:20 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <007901c3a617$c9b58140$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <3FAD8129.2262.392CE6@localhost> On 8 Nov 2003 at 11:45, Brian Vita wrote: > Think that there's any chance that NPR will turn down their welfare check > from Uncle Sam this year (or at least part of it) since they got the big > donation and let some other government gimme agency squander the money > instead? Oh, yeah! Haliburton deserves the money much more. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 8 23:50:01 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 8 23:51:23 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: Message-ID: <3FAD8129.29061.392D3B@localhost> On 8 Nov 2003 at 14:46, Brian Vita wrote: > All while spouting a left wing agenda. Shall I continue? I sure wish NPR =would= spout a left wing agenda, since nobody else does anymore. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Nov 9 08:57:09 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun Nov 9 08:56:54 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> <001801c3a643$6ef3ffd0$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: <000a01c3a6c9$60ca16c0$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Dan Cole wrote of the morning ratings at our Oldies station, WYNZ: >>Does this mean I get a raise? :) Dan (semi-faithful morning newsman at 100.3)<< sure does, Dan. simply go to the WHEB studios and DEMAND that money! you've earned it. - -Chuck (sometimes call letters are a good thing) Igo *note: WYNZ is 100.9 on the FM radio dial* From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Nov 9 09:00:25 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun Nov 9 09:00:09 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> <001801c3a643$6ef3ffd0$61f29318@HP310n> <000601c3a643$dcea2d20$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: <003601c3a6c9$d4848dc0$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Dan C's subsequent post had him realizing that he was slightly in error. from the Dan C blackboard: >> 100.9! 100.9 100.9 100.9 !!!! That's what I get for listening to WHEB while typing!!! << too late. (sniff sniff) my faithful and loyal sidekick.... listening to another radio station. (sniff sniff) it's okay. Monday morning i'll intro you as Dan Rather. ;-) - -Chuck Igo From dwcole@comcast.net Sun Nov 9 10:22:29 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan Cole) Date: Sun Nov 9 10:22:41 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> <001801c3a643$6ef3ffd0$61f29318@HP310n> <000601c3a643$dcea2d20$61f29318@HP310n> <003601c3a6c9$d4848dc0$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3a6d5$4a8e23e0$61f29318@HP310n> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Re: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow > Dan C's subsequent post had him realizing that he was slightly in error. > from the Dan C blackboard: > >> > 100.9! 100.9 100.9 100.9 !!!! > > That's what I get for listening to WHEB while typing!!! << > > too late. (sniff sniff) my faithful and loyal sidekick.... listening to > another radio station. (sniff sniff) it's okay. Monday morning i'll intro > you as Dan Rather. ;-) > > - -Chuck Igo > > What's the frequency......Chuck? Dan From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 11:13:21 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 9 11:13:25 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: WTTT Message-ID: <20031109161321.96330.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Am listening to Let's Talk About Radio right now and Bob and Donna are discussing the new WTTT 1150. Yup, I did know that Feder, Praeger, and Medved are Jewish (and on a Christian network), but sometimes people refer to this as a "Judeo-Christian" perspective. It certainly is a conservative one, too. It was said that perhaps socially conservative folks have tended to vote Democratic in the past (candidates like Ray Flynn, maybe) but maybe they'll turn Republican. --Remember the so-called "Reagan Democrats" of the 80s? Socially, and perhaps fiscally, conservative... couldn't stand to vote for Carter or Mondale. --Perhaps the last gubernatorial election results were affected by such voters-- voters who would have voted for O'Brien but disagreed with her stands on gay marriage and parental notification when it came to abortion. They voted for Romney instead. As for the Reagan movie, yes, many people were condemning it without even seeing it BUT some excerpts were run on TV and radio, and some did see the script online and mentioned the inaccuracies that were presented. But it indeed is possible that one reason the movie was pulled was because CBS wanted to get the right to buy more stations, and they didn't want to offend Bush and the GOP for fear that they wouldn't get their way. As for Donna saying that yes, Reagan did say those things about AIDS (which I don't remember) and Nancy consulting an astronomer (which I do), how about if Clinton were dying of Alzheimer's and a movie with gross inaccuracties of his life were to be presented...how would folks on the left feel about that? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 11:17:26 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 9 11:18:01 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network Message-ID: <20031109161726.93356.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> More on today's LTAR: With regards to the "liberal network", rumor has it it will be on the air soon and will be known as "National Public Radio" :) As for liberal bias and those who feel there IS none, a quote from Bernard Goldberg's new book. Jay Leno said: "A group of venture capitalists are in the process of developing their own liberal radio network to counter conservative shows like Rush Limbaugh. They feel the liberal viewpoint is not being heard--except on TV, in the movies, in music, by comedians, in magazines, and newspapers. OTHER THAN THAT, it's not getting out!" Goldberg: "The joke got a big laugh, which ought to tell us something, since the audience wasn't made up of the Young Right-Wing Conservatives of America--just your regular Middle-American types..." From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 11:29:46 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 9 11:29:50 2003 Subject: liberal network to air on 90.9 :) Message-ID: <20031109162946.17249.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Good news: the liberal talk network has found a home! It's at stations like WBUR. Huh? You're saying that NPR has been doing liberally biased programming for years? :) Brent Bozell article saying that "The only ones who seem not to know that the left has a massive, taxpayer-funded radio network of 700 affiliates are the liberals trying to sell investors on their own private-sector talk-radio network": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1005639/posts?page=1 From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 11:35:15 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 9 11:35:18 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: WTTT In-Reply-To: <20031109161321.96330.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031109163515.17336.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> >>Nancy consulting an astronomer Oops! I meant astrologer. Either a brief memory lapse, or I tend to type fast and put the wrong word in...and should have proofread. Sorry! From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Nov 9 13:29:19 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun Nov 9 13:30:24 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: WTTT In-Reply-To: <20031109161321.96330.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031109132705.021c2708@pop.registeredsite.com> Two things-- thing one, I apologise for getting 96.9's call letters wrong-- I mis-spoke, as the politicians say. But if I, a friendly radio person, get those calls confused, I imagine I am not the only one. Thing two, while WLIR may indeed be licensed to Garden City, the studios were absolutely in Hempstead, because I remember seeing the sign that said "Entering Hempstead" or something like that when I drove to work... From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 21:20:48 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 9 21:20:54 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network In-Reply-To: <7b.1c2a82ef.2cdfcdb5@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031110022048.65055.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> > AND NPR lacks the entertainment value, therefore > will never equal the Rush's > etc. Hey, get the "Car Talk" guys to do a political talk show on National Happy Meal Radio :) From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Nov 9 23:42:27 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Nov 9 23:43:06 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network In-Reply-To: <20031110022048.65055.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031110022048.65055.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068439350.CF217A0@s5.dngr.org> Just put Donna on noon to 3 on JIB and let her talk about anything On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 9:29pm, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> AND NPR lacks the entertainment value, therefore >> will never equal the Rush's >> etc. > > Hey, get the "Car Talk" guys to do a political > talk show on National Happy Meal Radio :) From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Nov 10 01:43:38 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon Nov 10 01:44:45 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network In-Reply-To: <1068439350.CF217A0@s5.dngr.org> References: <20031110022048.65055.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> <20031110022048.65055.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031110014039.021c3f88@pop.registeredsite.com> Kevin wrote: >Just put Donna on noon to 3 on JIB and let her talk about anything I actually miss being on the air fulltime. I don't know if I'd categorise myself as 'liberal'-- I am more of a moderate who is liberal about some things and lean conservative on certain issues (believe it or don't). But I do have a lot of opinions (as you probably know!) and I used to do a talk show many years ago. Not sure I could be rude and nasty enough for the way talk seems to be done these days, but I would love to go back on the air if the opportunity and the salary were right... From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 10 05:39:34 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 10 05:40:40 2003 Subject: WCRN Message-ID: <002201c3a777$0b4abca0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> It may be my imagination, but I suspect that WCRN has been operating after midnight with more than 5 kW. Maybe Mr Glavin could provide a signal-strength reading. I suppose that this could be some sort of testing in preparation for the station's increase to 50 kW-N. However, the CP to increase night power was granted only a couple of weeks ago and I don't think the FCC allows stations to begin construction for 60 days after the grant of such a CP. Also, WCRN's CP calls for the addition of a tower and, of course, a new phasing network. A tower could go up within weeks, but, except in emergencies, such as the loss of a tower, construction usually takes much longer. Phasing networks are all custom designed and built so they tend to take a LONG time to deliver. (Ask WBIX and WAZN; those stations placed orders for phasors well over a year ago and are apparently still waiting for delivery. Meanwhile, WBIX's CP expired and, according to a posting at radio-info.com, has had to be tolled. Tolling is the name of a legal procedure that stops the clock on a process that would otherwise expire without possibility of reinstatment.) Anyhow, if WCRN is taking advantage of the midnight-to-6:00 AM experimental period, the station isn't supposed to broadcast commercial messages while it uses facilities different from those specified in its license. I've heard commercials during the overnight hours when I suspect WCRN has been running more than its currently licensed 5 kW-N. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From hmadjid@yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 12:18:05 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Mon Nov 10 12:18:17 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from Message-ID: <20031110171805.62535.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> >Jeez, Brian...people have been smacked down by the >facts on public >radio funding vs. corporate welfare so many times >I'd think you all >would've have learned by now. As I pointed out a couple of months back on another on-line forum devoted to Boston Radio, the funding that Public Broadcasting receives from the Federal Government (roughly $380 million according to CPB's 2002 annual report) is but a fly speck in the context of total US government expenditures of 2 trillion dollars. To explain it another way, that $380 million in CPB funding is an amount that would barely keep the Federal government running for about an hour and 45 minutes. IMHO even the most fiscally conservative must agree, that this is a really minor expenditure. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 10 12:38:45 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon Nov 10 12:40:22 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from In-Reply-To: <20031110171805.62535.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c3a7b1$7e518eb0$c3ec33d1@alvin> > As I pointed out a couple of months back on another > on-line forum devoted to Boston Radio, the funding > that Public Broadcasting receives from the Federal > Government (roughly $380 million according to CPB's > 2002 annual report) is but a fly speck in the context > of total US government expenditures of 2 trillion > dollars. > But, to twist a quote, a flyspeck here and a flyspeck there, we're paying for a lot of crap. Everyone wants to pay less taxes but God forbid their sacred cow gets sacrificed. The purpose of government is to provide us protection for danger, both internal and external, to provide us with a set of laws and to provide us with a basic education. It should also provide a safety net for those who need an opportunity to get back on their feet. It is not a "big brother" whose responsibility is to provide me a job, educate me as to what its perception of art is or otherwise absolve me from taking responsibility for my own life. Items such as funding for the arts, NPR and similar items are not essential government services. Despite what their backers may say, none of us will die if any of these services were to terminate tomorrow. If we took all the "flyspecks" from these programs, we could build more schools, hire more teachers, provide better pay for the soldiers that place their lives on the line for us, etc. Let the free market fund the arts. Off of my soap box for now. Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 10 12:49:18 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 10 12:50:36 2003 Subject: WAZN 1470 Message-ID: <002d01c3a7b3$1adbc1a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> As of a few minutes ago, WAZN 1470 (ex-WSRO Marlborough) was on the air from the WTTT site in Lexington and was // with sister station WLYN 1360 Lynn. I think the program was in Portuguese. Until I drive a good distance out Route 2, I won't know whether WAZN is running with its directional antenna system, which sends most of the daytime signal to northwest to protect WBET and WSAR, or whether the station is using a day power close to the 1400W authorized in its CP to change its Tx location to Lexington and its COL to Watertown. Conceivably, the current operation could be nondirectional, which would permit a daytime power of about 170W. My location is in an area where the 1.4-kW directional daytime signal and a 170W ND signal would be about equally strong. However, if WAZN is running ND, it will have to reduce power significantly at sunset and the decrease in power should be noticeable here. On the other hand, if the station is using its DA, it will increase power to 3.4 kW at sunset and will turn its pattern around so that most of the signal goes to the southeast, toward Boston. I don't know whether there will be much difference between the day and night directional signals at this location, but I think I will be able to tell whether the power increases at sunset (as it would if the station is using its DA) or decreases (as it would if the station is operating ND). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 10 14:16:24 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 10 14:16:34 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <200311101916.hAAJGOgk019946@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: [deletia] Hey, folks! Please remember that I am the moderator here. If you have a problem with some list member's behavior, bring it up with me privately. -GAWollman From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Nov 10 14:36:55 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon Nov 10 14:36:41 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> <200311101916.hAAJGOgk019946@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001601c3a7c2$013ee920$4129c618@maine.rr.com> my apologies, Garrett. forgive me? if not, oh well. - -Chuck Igo From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 10 16:15:35 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 10 16:15:40 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Anyone on the list save the recent postings with all of the "Magic" songs on > them? Right after I deleted the last of them I got commissioned to voice a > PSA for a local magic convention. Thanks in advance. I know that this has been taken care of out-of-band, but I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the discussions on this list are archived, so you don't have to ask to find out what was said. See for more information. (I've been thinking about making the list archives subscribers-only; what would you folks think about that?) -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Mon Nov 10 17:13:09 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Nov 10 17:13:23 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000401c3a7d7$d3957320$9f00a8c0@boneill> > (I've been thinking about making the list archives subscribers-only; > what would you folks think about that?) > > -GAWollman No preference on that other than it would encourage people who rely upon the archives to take that bold step and join. Don't see why one wouldn't do that anyway. Bill O'Neill ----------------------------------------------------------- "Laughter gives us distance. It allows us to step back from an event, deal with it and then move on." Bob Newhart ----------------------------------------------------------- From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 10 17:38:18 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 10 17:38:31 2003 Subject: Fwd: WCRN Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:39:34 >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" interest@bostonradio.org> >It may be my imagination, but I suspect that WCRN has >been operating after >midnight with more than 5 kW. Maybe Mr Glavin could >provide a >signal-strength reading. Um, I get up at about 5:30, so I wouldn't get around to radio geekery until Friday. Also, my receiver displays RELATIVE signal strength, not actual mv/M's. ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Nov 10 17:39:49 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Nov 10 17:39:51 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > > (I've been thinking about making the list archives subscribers-only; > what would you folks think about that?) I vote against it. I have found (and become a subscriber to) several lists that a Google search turned up a relevant post in an archive. If the archives were private fewer people would find out about this list...hence less new blood. I'm curious why you were thinking of making the archives subscriber only. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 10 17:46:45 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 10 17:46:48 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I'm curious why you were thinking of making the archives subscriber only. Some people are concerned about spammers spidering their addresses out of the archives. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Nov 10 19:10:23 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Nov 10 19:06:03 2003 Subject: Magic Songs Message-ID: <200311101910.AA816054880@mail.ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman asked: >(I've been thinking about making the list archives subscribers-only; >what would you folks think about that?) It would be fine by me. Might cut down on e-mail address harvesting. Is there a downside? From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 10 19:54:28 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 10 19:55:04 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> If it would stop the spider from google in getting my email address to all the poor Nigerians I be in favor On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 6:03pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I'm curious why you were thinking of making the archives subscriber >> only. > > Some people are concerned about spammers spidering their addresses out > of the archives. > > -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Nov 10 21:49:18 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon Nov 10 21:49:24 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: At 4:54 PM -0800 11/10/03, Kevin Vahey wrote: >If it would stop the spider from google in getting my email address >to all the poor Nigerians I be in favor Is there any evidence that this has actually happened? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Nov 10 21:59:22 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Nov 10 21:59:27 2003 Subject: Magic Songs References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin><200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <003101c3a7ff$cf29ad60$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Magic Songs > Is there any evidence that this has actually happened? I only use this e-mail address for this list but I have started to get spam lately at this address. The digest may not be the cause but I don't know where else anyone would get this address. But I don't get all that worked up over spam so I don't care one way or the other about the digest. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 11 00:25:47 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 11 00:27:44 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031110014039.021c3f88@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <1068439350.CF217A0@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FB02C8B.18101.97DD1D@localhost> On 10 Nov 2003 at 1:43, Donna Halper wrote: > I actually miss being on the air fulltime. I don't know if I'd categorise > myself as 'liberal'-- I am more of a moderate who is liberal about some > things and lean conservative on certain issues (believe it or don't). But > I do have a lot of opinions (as you probably know!) and I used to do a > talk show many years ago. Not sure I could be rude and nasty enough for > the way talk seems to be done these days, but I would love to go back on > the air if the opportunity and the salary were right... Unfortunately, I suspect the best way to do it would be the way Arnie Ginsburg did many years ago. Buy the time, get the sponsors, develop a following, until some other station makes you an offer. An alternative might be to get a slot on a station like WMBR, which will sometimes put members of the community on the air, especially in summer, when students are away. But I'm not sure that would translate as well to a regular commercial gig. Either way, you'd have to do some promotion to develop a following. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 11 00:36:17 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Nov 11 00:36:31 2003 Subject: List membership was RE: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <200311101910.AA816054880@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <001d01c3a815$bb44be50$c3ec33d1@alvin> Works for me too. My SPAM count has been getting deadly lately Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of rogerkirk > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:10 PM > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest' > Subject: Re: Magic Songs > > > Garrett Wollman asked: > > >(I've been thinking about making the list archives subscribers-only; > >what would you folks think about that?) > > It would be fine by me. Might cut down on e-mail address harvesting. > > Is there a downside? > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 11 00:37:42 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Nov 11 00:37:51 2003 Subject: Mailing list Spam - Was RE: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c3a815$edc44b70$c3ec33d1@alvin> I get about one or two a day. It really bites when they hit the email addresses that trigger my pager at 3AM. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Larry Weil > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:49 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Magic Songs > > > At 4:54 PM -0800 11/10/03, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >If it would stop the spider from google in getting my email address > >to all the poor Nigerians I be in favor > > Is there any evidence that this has actually happened? > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 11 08:03:26 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 11 08:02:43 2003 Subject: Magic Songs In-Reply-To: <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031111080141.00a42af0@pop3.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: >Some people are concerned about spammers spidering their addresses out >of the archives. Good point. I certainly don't lack for offers of Valium, Viagra or body part enlargement. From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Tue Nov 11 09:43:04 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue Nov 11 09:44:05 2003 Subject: List membership Message-ID: <3FB0F578.6424150D@Programmer.Net> Is there a way to either just hide the e-mail header on the archives--if the person wants to give it out, they can always add it to the message--or to cut it off or "mundge" (sp?) it--Topica does that (look at some of the messages): http://www.topica.com/lists/LOD/read ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 11 10:53:09 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 11 10:53:56 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <002401c3a634$89388a00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> References: <000401c3a631$0631c840$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111102951.03392e88@mail.speakeasy.net> At 03:11 PM 11/8/2003, Chuck Igo wrote: >Aaron: time to drop the sanctimonious stuff about Public Radio, from which >you derive your income. (you DO get paid, right?) Ehh...yes and no. I volunteer at WBRS but they do pay me when a major project comes around (like the transmitter replacement I'm doing in two weeks). With the rest of my non-comm's I do get paid but frankly I'm not getting rich off them...I do it because I'm a sucker for college radio. :-) What really pays my bills is my commercial clients, which are some AM/FM/TV's, but largely are municipalities on wireless consulting. >time and again, Aaron, you stray a bit far from the topic and wind up on the >soapbox. the day Public Radio stops getting federal funds (which are >provided by, um... oh yeah, the taxpayers), then preach away. on this >point, imo (and there's nothing humble about it this time), you were way off >base. I don't see that. The original thread was about how Ms.Kroc made a $200 million donation to NPR. It had nothing to do with the politics about public radio funding until Brian made his rather cynical remark. Really, it was a smartass remark, as was my reply...and was meant to be a mild tit-for-tat. We're all adults and a little nose-tweaking isn't forbidden, is it? :-) Anyways, what irks me about Brian's comment...and comments in the same vein...is that it ignores the "corporate welfare" and shady business practices by hundreds of commercial broadcasters (Clear Channel the biggest, but hardly the only) that have resulted in the same thing public radio gets: a handout on the backs of the average Joe. Sure, I don't HAVE to go to a purchase or listen to Clear Channel's wares, whereas I have to pay taxes, but when a corporation decides it doesn't want to pay as much in taxes, it bullies its home state (Raytheon, anyone? Or Pfizer to CT for that matter) and that DOES mean I have to pay more tax to make up the difference. Sure, it's pennies on the dollar, but so is public radio funding. Does public radio engage in these shady deals? Yeah, I'd say there's probably something there...public radio isn't very "public" anymore and NPR is run very much like a commercial outfit; the programming is barely held in check by the FCC underwriting rules. But I can't imagine NPR is doing it to even one-tenth the degree you see it with a Clear Channel or whoever. Personally I prefer it up front and in the open with public radio, rather than some fatcat sweetheart deal in a smoky pool room of some Congressional hangout. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 11 12:21:40 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:22:46 2003 Subject: archives for subscribers only? In-Reply-To: <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111121952.033956c0@mail.speakeasy.net> At 05:46 PM 11/10/2003, Garrett Wollman wrote: >< said: > > > I'm curious why you were thinking of making the archives subscriber only. > >Some people are concerned about spammers spidering their addresses out >of the archives. > >-GAWollman I vote yes, then. I think someone harvested my AOL instant messager buddyname from an archive somewhere....I've suddenly been getting at least one or two porn IM's this week. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 11 12:26:40 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:27:17 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: Liberal network In-Reply-To: <3FB02C8B.18101.97DD1D@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031110014039.021c3f88@pop.registeredsite.com> <1068439350.CF217A0@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111122214.032f2cd8@mail.speakeasy.net> At 12:25 AM 11/11/2003, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >An alternative might be to get a slot on a station like WMBR, which will >sometimes put >members of the community on the air, especially in summer, when students >are away. But >I'm not sure that would translate as well to a regular commercial gig. > >Either way, you'd have to do some promotion to develop a following. >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 WMBR - last I checked - has an unofficial moratorium on new community members as they're trying to get more students involved. That may not apply to summers. WZBC does not have any official policy but I know they're trying to get more students on the air, too, so it'd have to be a good show and Donna would have to be willing to take an oh-dark-thirty slot (like 4 or 5am) on a weekend to get a space. There are regular talk shows at WBRS; every weeknight at 12 midnight to 1 or 2am. WBRS is also one of the few college stations with a full call-in talk show telephone infrastructure. Of course, it's a pretty tiny signal, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 11 12:33:21 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 11 12:37:52 2003 Subject: Fwd: [CBI] Up for sale, WRVG fell short of its big dreams Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111123308.03649ab8@mail.speakeasy.net> Jeez....WJHU/WYPR, WJUL/WUML, WYCM and now WRVG. Has anyone been keeping tabs on what colleges/high schools have "sold out" part or all of their stations' programming/license to outside influences? Excerpts from the article are below. - Aaron >Sender: "College Broadcasters, Inc" >From: Barry Rueger >Organization: community-media.com >Subject: [CBI] Up for sale, WRVG fell short of its big dreams >X-To: pUBRADIO@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU, nfcb@nfcb.org >To: CBI@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU > > From The Collegiate Broadcasters Incorporated Listserv>> > >Hmmm - this didn't seem to go through the first time: >http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/local/7219169.htm > >Posted on Sun, Nov. 09, 2003 >Up for sale, WRVG fell short of its big dreams >By Heather Svokos >HERALD-LEADER STAFF WRITER > >(snip) >Georgetown College, which has owned and run WRVG since it started as >a 140-watt station in 1963, announced last month it planned to sell >the station to help relieve the college's money woes. > >Although the identity of the potential buyer of WRVG-89.9 FM has not >been publicly disclosed, there has been a unified buzz among public >radio observers that the buyer in the wings is a religious >broadcaster. > >(snip) >Players on the state's public radio scene are sad to see WRVG leave >the public radio family. But some cite a competitive spirit, rather >than a cooperative one, among Central Kentucky's three public radio >stations, as being partly responsible for the station's demise. > >(snip) >When people talk about a public radio consortium, Georgetown's >Dawahare is emphatic about one thing: "WRVG being sold has nothing to >do with us not putting together a consortium," he said. "It has to do >with Georgetown College needing to reposition that money. It was a >big asset for the college, and it was $1.7 million that we could move >toward our core mission of education." > >(Snip) >"I think there was a fundamental misunderstanding,"-Martin said. "I >think what happened was the idea that, with the administration, it >was: 'Oh my God, we've got a 50,000-watt radio station -- we can >raise money with this -- it's going to save the college.' > >"And we (the radio staffers) were coming at it with: 'Well, this is >public radio, you can generate revenue that will pay for it, but >you're not ever going to generate revenue that will support an >institution, even marginally.' > >"There seemed to have been a disconnect between the reality of it and >the dream." > >(snip) >On Wednesday, Georgetown got a construction permit to build a low- >powered FM that will reach only Georgetown. It will be at 93.7 on the >FM dial and will be student-run. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Nov 11 14:28:40 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Nov 11 14:29:05 2003 Subject: Irv Kupcinet dies at 91 Message-ID: <1068578927.6C5BEC5@s5.dngr.org> A true media legend Irv Kupcinet died in Chicago yesterday at 91. He was still writing his column as of last week http://www.suntimes.com/index/kup.html From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 11 16:49:30 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 11 16:49:33 2003 Subject: Fwd: [CBI] Up for sale, WRVG fell short of its big dreams In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111123308.03649ab8@mail.speakeasy.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111123308.03649ab8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <55810.216.204.15.170.1068587370.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > Jeez....WJHU/WYPR, WJUL/WUML, WYCM and now WRVG. Has anyone been > keeping tabs on what colleges/high schools have "sold out" part or all > of their stations' programming/license to outside influences? Pardon the stupid question, but why does a college need a 50 kW radio station in the first place? The article mentioned the school getting an LPFM license for students to run...seems to me that this should be more than sufficient. If there were fewer flamethrowers in the noncom band, there would be room for more stations there. From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 11 17:16:28 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 11 17:16:36 2003 Subject: Fwd: [CBI] Up for sale, WRVG fell short of its big dreams In-Reply-To: <55810.216.204.15.170.1068587370.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.co m> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111123308.03649ab8@mail.speakeasy.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20031111123308.03649ab8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111170833.032aba70@mail.speakeasy.net> At 04:49 PM 11/11/2003, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > Jeez....WJHU/WYPR, WJUL/WUML, WYCM and now WRVG. Has anyone been > > keeping tabs on what colleges/high schools have "sold out" part or all > > of their stations' programming/license to outside influences? > >Pardon the stupid question, but why does a college need a 50 kW radio >station in the first place? The article mentioned the school getting an >LPFM license for students to run...seems to me that this should be more >than sufficient. If there were fewer flamethrowers in the noncom band, >there would be room for more stations there. There were two bits in the article that I think explains that: http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/local/7219169.htm FIRST, as to why the college wanted a 50kW station in the first place: "I think there was a fundamental misunderstanding,"-Martin said. "I think what happened was the idea that, with the administration, it was: 'Oh my God, we've got a 50,000-watt radio station -- we can raise money with this -- it's going to save the college.' "And we (the radio staffers) were coming at it with: 'Well, this is public radio, you can generate revenue that will pay for it, but you're not ever going to generate revenue that will support an institution, even marginally.' "There seemed to have been a disconnect between the reality of it and the dream." SECOND, as to why the station wanted a 50kW license, was that they were attempting to become a major player; an alternative to PRI and NPR called "World Radio" that had ambitious goals but never really got off the ground and flopped hardcore. I think it was a noble goal but I don't think there's enough room for three major players in the public radio content distribution world (certainly two big ones and several smaller networks like PRX.org) ...and even if there is I think it'd have to be an evolutionary thing, rather than revolutionary. The argument can be made that a well-integrated program can have a giant professionally-run flamethrower at the college paired with a LPFM or Part 15 station, and there's an established program where the students get training at both but also get to have fun at the little station while learning "real world" skills at the big one. WBUR & WTBU at Boston University could have this and they're not far from it in many ways....but it's not *quite* there. WERS & WECB @ Emerson is arguably closer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 11 18:43:41 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 11 18:38:22 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from McDonalds widow In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031111102951.03392e88@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Which, Aaron, only proves that Government and Corparate leaders are generally cut from the same cloth. There is no RIGHT or LEFT at these levels, only the "How do I get mine and screw others" mentality. Only the means to the end are different, the end IS the same for both. (This also holds true for Union vs Management issues). It's ALWAYS how much Power and $$ (as a means of representing power) one can exert over others, either through monopolization (corporate) or regulation (government), Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Aaron Read > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:53 AM > To: Chuck Igo; brian_vita@cssinc.com > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from > McDonalds widow > > > At 03:11 PM 11/8/2003, Chuck Igo wrote: > >Aaron: time to drop the sanctimonious stuff about Public Radio, > from which > >you derive your income. (you DO get paid, right?) > > Ehh...yes and no. I volunteer at WBRS but they do pay me when a major > project comes around (like the transmitter replacement I'm doing in two > weeks). With the rest of my non-comm's I do get paid but > frankly I'm not > getting rich off them...I do it because I'm a sucker for college > radio. :-) What really pays my bills is my commercial clients, which > are some AM/FM/TV's, but largely are municipalities on wireless > consulting. > > > >time and again, Aaron, you stray a bit far from the topic and > wind up on the > >soapbox. the day Public Radio stops getting federal funds (which are > >provided by, um... oh yeah, the taxpayers), then preach away. on this > >point, imo (and there's nothing humble about it this time), you > were way off > >base. > > I don't see that. The original thread was about how Ms.Kroc made a $200 > million donation to NPR. It had nothing to do with the politics about > public radio funding until Brian made his rather cynical remark. Really, > it was a smartass remark, as was my reply...and was meant to be a mild > tit-for-tat. We're all adults and a little nose-tweaking isn't > forbidden, > is it? :-) > > Anyways, what irks me about Brian's comment...and comments in the same > vein...is that it ignores the "corporate welfare" and shady business > practices by hundreds of commercial broadcasters (Clear Channel the > biggest, but hardly the only) that have resulted in the same thing public > radio gets: a handout on the backs of the average Joe. Sure, I > don't HAVE > to go to a purchase or listen to Clear Channel's wares, whereas I have to > pay taxes, but when a corporation decides it doesn't want to pay > as much in > taxes, it bullies its home state (Raytheon, anyone? Or Pfizer to CT for > that matter) and that DOES mean I have to pay more tax to make up the > difference. > > Sure, it's pennies on the dollar, but so is public radio funding. > > Does public radio engage in these shady deals? Yeah, I'd say there's > probably something there...public radio isn't very "public" > anymore and NPR > is run very much like a commercial outfit; the programming is barely held > in check by the FCC underwriting rules. But I can't imagine NPR is doing > it to even one-tenth the degree you see it with a Clear Channel or > whoever. Personally I prefer it up front and in the open with public > radio, rather than some fatcat sweetheart deal in a smoky pool > room of some > Congressional hangout. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------- > Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net > FriedBagels Consulting AOL-IM: readaaron > http://www.friedbagels.com Boston, MA > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Tue Nov 11 20:24:56 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Tue Nov 11 20:26:10 2003 Subject: archives for subscribers only? References: <64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com><000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin><200311102115.hAALFZY2022897@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><64994.216.204.15.170.1068503989.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20031111121952.033956c0@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <005d01c3a8bb$c8f73220$ecfce341@p133> The issue of spammers trolling for addresses is extremely important. 1 thought ......will non-members, who are radio-inclined & would want to join, be still able to web search, find the group's existance & how to join? if still possible, I vote yes. Bob Sutherland From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 12 00:18:16 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Nov 12 00:19:08 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from In-Reply-To: <000f01c3a7b1$7e518eb0$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <20031110171805.62535.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FB17C48.2044.2161A7F@localhost> On 10 Nov 2003 at 12:38, Brian Vita wrote: > The purpose of government is to provide us > protection for danger, both internal and external, to provide us with a > set of laws and to provide us with a basic education. It should also > provide a safety net for those who need an opportunity to get back on > their feet. It is not a "big brother" whose responsibility is to provide > me a job, educate me as to what its perception of art is or otherwise > absolve me from taking responsibility for my own life. "The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all in their separate and individual capacities." -- Abraham Lincoln -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed Nov 12 12:39:03 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed Nov 12 12:39:08 2003 Subject: NH, VT Public Radio applaud $200 million gift from In-Reply-To: <3FB17C48.2044.2161A7F@localhost> References: <20031110171805.62535.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c3a7b1$7e518eb0$c3ec33d1@alvin> <3FB17C48.2044.2161A7F@localhost> Message-ID: <200311121739.hACHd3sx038926@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > "The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need > to have done, but cannot do at all in their separate and individual capacities." Now that we've done our political philosophizing for the month, does anyone want to talk about radio? -GAWollman From rich@RichChadwick.com Wed Nov 12 13:12:15 2003 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Wed Nov 12 13:12:26 2003 Subject: WCRN In-Reply-To: <002201c3a777$0b4abca0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <200311121812.hACICMDZ039102@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Dan, I have worked with the Carters for the past three years and have mentioned this subject to Mr. Carter each time it has come up. The facts are that the station is running an automation system that we designed and built for them and it is flying solo after 5pm or so each day. All power and direction changes are handled automatically. Having been out there for service at various hours of the night, I can assure you no one is there trying to squeak another few watts out of the array. They are excited about the pending upgrade but are realistically not expecting to implement that until the spring. Without getting too defensive, might I suggest you substantiate future claims with more than a hunch before being so accusatory in a public forum. Rich Chadwick -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:40 AM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: WCRN It may be my imagination, but I suspect that WCRN has been operating after midnight with more than 5 kW. Maybe Mr Glavin could provide a signal-strength reading. I suppose that this could be some sort of testing in preparation for the station's increase to 50 kW-N. However, the CP to increase night power was granted only a couple of weeks ago and I don't think the FCC allows stations to begin construction for 60 days after the grant of such a CP. Also, WCRN's CP calls for the addition of a tower and, of course, a new phasing network. A tower could go up within weeks, but, except in emergencies, such as the loss of a tower, construction usually takes much longer. Phasing networks are all custom designed and built so they tend to take a LONG time to deliver. (Ask WBIX and WAZN; those stations placed orders for phasors well over a year ago and are apparently still waiting for delivery. Meanwhile, WBIX's CP expired and, according to a posting at radio-info.com, has had to be tolled. Tolling is the name of a legal procedure that stops the clock on a process that would otherwise expire without possibility of reinstatment.) Anyhow, if WCRN is taking advantage of the midnight-to-6:00 AM experimental period, the station isn't supposed to broadcast commercial messages while it uses facilities different from those specified in its license. I've heard commercials during the overnight hours when I suspect WCRN has been running more than its currently licensed 5 kW-N. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Nov 12 21:42:49 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Nov 12 21:41:55 2003 Subject: WPTR Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031112213658.00a1b1b0@pop3.bit-net.com> Is WPTR tweaking with their format, possibly transitioning into a "real oldies" direction? Was listening to them tonight on the way home from work...they seemed to be alternating a 1956-66 oldie with MOR-ish tunes. Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock" seemed a bit heavy for a standards format. With the exception of "Chicago"--Frank Sinatra, the MOR-ish songs were unfamiliar to me, but sounded fairly contemporary in production values (ie-definitely not 40s-50s sounding). From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Nov 13 02:57:35 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu Nov 13 02:50:34 2003 Subject: Open or closed archives (was Re: Magic Songs) In-Reply-To: <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FB3396F.2090706@gabrielmass.com> Some e-mail archivers (perhaps including the one used by OEM) have an option to obscure or totally hide the addresses of authors. --RC From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Nov 13 11:14:59 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Nov 13 11:15:03 2003 Subject: Open or closed archives (was Re: Magic Songs) In-Reply-To: <3FB3396F.2090706@gabrielmass.com> References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin> <200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> <3FB3396F.2090706@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <200311131614.hADGEx7i046242@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Some e-mail archivers (perhaps including the one used by OEM) have > an option to obscure or totally hide the addresses of authors. My personal feeling is that doing so is much worse than making the archives private, because: 1) It has a tendency to mangle things that aren't addresses. 2) The transformation done by mailman is trivially reversible, to the extent that the spam harvesters know how to undo it now. Right now, considering comments sent to me privately, sentiment seems about evenly split, so I probably won't make any changes at this time. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Nov 13 21:23:34 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Nov 13 21:23:39 2003 Subject: Open or closed archives (was Re: Magic Songs) References: <000e01c3a4a9$88f7df00$c3ec33d1@alvin><200311102246.hAAMkj9u023740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><1068512071.26E8E3E@w5.dngr.org> <3FB3396F.2090706@gabrielmass.com> <200311131614.hADGEx7i046242@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001201c3aa56$4e5616c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Richard Chonak" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Open or closed archives (was Re: Magic Songs) > Right now, considering comments sent to me privately, sentiment seems > about evenly split, so I probably won't make any changes at this time. > > -GAWollman When did this become a democracy? ;-) From scott@fybush.com Thu Nov 13 22:19:32 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Nov 13 22:19:53 2003 Subject: Open or closed archives In-Reply-To: <200311131700.hADH01xO027028@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031113221732.00b40ed8@gwind.pair.com> >Right now, considering comments sent to me privately, sentiment seems >about evenly split, so I probably won't make any changes at this time. Which was exactly what I was going to suggest to Mr. Moderator, and would have done so sooner if I'd had power today. (Went out at 10AM at the height of the windstorm and just came back about 9:45 tonight...argh.) My address has been so spam-harvested already that appearing in the Archives here doesn't make much of a difference. More to the point, I think the ability for Archives material to show up in Google searches has yielded new contributors to our friendly little forum on more than one occasion, and I'd like to see that continue. s From billo@shoreham.net Thu Nov 13 23:08:07 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Nov 13 23:08:17 2003 Subject: Open or closed archives In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031113221732.00b40ed8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <000401c3aa64$e9460ec0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Scott writes: (Went out at 10AM at > the height of the > windstorm and just came back about 9:45 tonight...argh.) Oh my, Scott without access to media for 12 hours? The humanity! At least there's diaper duty. Pun intended. Bill O'Neill From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 23:34:46 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu Nov 13 23:27:08 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: After weeks of promotion and hype for the debut of "Let It Be... Naked", WODS only aired the right stereo channel of it into both channels (R to L+R) through about the first seven songs. I alerted Mike Finegan at WODS to the problem and it was fixed, but by that time there were only a few songs left to play on the disc. This was also broadcast on WZLX properly, with both channels in full stereo for the whole album, as I was flipping between both. I gather that the program was available nationally throughout any appropriately formatted (oldies, classic rock) stations in the CBS/Infinity chain. I hear it was also on WBZ, but I didn't think of checking them. Eli Polonsky From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Nov 14 02:06:41 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri Nov 14 02:07:50 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> >Eli wrote-- >I hear it was also on WBZ, but I didn't think of checking them. I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that came over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It brought back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still played music-- Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, and he loved the Beatles. But then, who didn't? It felt a bit surreal listening to music on WBZ-- and yet, it fit somehow. These days, there is so little music on AM and so little unique programming. I commend Peter Casey for putting the Beatles special on the station. (Maybe one of these days, we will also hear a WBZ top-40 Reunion-- imagine getting Bruce Bradley, Jefferson Kaye, Jay Dunn, Dick Summer and others together to re-create what Boston's AM stations used to do so well...) From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 14 02:35:06 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 14 02:35:25 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1068795310.6C57AF5@s5.dngr.org> Had the same feeling about BZ tonight. Funny if Infinity really wants to shed the word oldies, they could flip 103.3 to BZ-FM ( could be the spirit of 103 again) and like CBS-FM bring back a heritage jock from time to time...and really lock up the BZ brand. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 2:13am, Donna Halper wrote: > >> Eli wrote-- >> I hear it was also on WBZ, but I didn't think of checking them. > > I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that > came over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It > brought back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still > played music-- Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, and he loved > the Beatles. But then, who didn't? It felt a bit surreal listening to > music on WBZ-- and yet, it fit somehow. These days, there is so little > music on AM and so little unique programming. I commend Peter Casey > for putting the Beatles special on the station. (Maybe one of these > days, we will also hear a WBZ top-40 Reunion-- imagine getting Bruce > Bradley, Jefferson Kaye, Jay Dunn, Dick Summer and others together to > re-create what Boston's AM stations used to do so well...) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 02:59:22 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri Nov 14 02:59:30 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031114075922.34790.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eli Polonsky wrote: > After weeks of promotion and hype for the debut of "Let It Be... > Naked", WODS only aired the right stereo channel of it into both > channels (R to L+R) through about the first seven songs. > > I alerted Mike Finegan at WODS to the problem and it was fixed, > but by that time there were only a few songs left to play on > the disc. > I heard part of the program on WBZ in stereo on my AM-stereo car radio, and it sounded as if left and right channels were the same (no stereo effect), or as described above. John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 03:08:14 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Nov 14 03:08:19 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031114080814.39548.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eli Polonsky wrote: > After weeks of promotion and hype for the debut of > "Let It Be... > Naked", WODS only aired the right stereo channel of > it into both > channels (R to L+R) through about the first seven > songs. Hmm--I thought it sounded weird! I listened to it at work (in the post office) and during early songs, some vocals or instruments sounded slightly far off...and then there was one point where all of a sudden it went to "full stereo" like you said and I could really hear the difference! Oh well; prob. will buy the album anyway, to get full effect and "bonus disc". (I taped both hours via a Panasonic recordable portable cass., though reception in my post office isn't the best so some slight fuzz...) I also heard the "making of..." special beforehand. Of course, Infinity stations across the nation were doing this...a friend sent me a tape of "K-Earth" in L.A. and they mentioned that they'd be playing the album at 7 pm (PT) on 11/13 (though no mention of a "making of..." special there). > I gather that the program was available nationally > throughout > any appropriately formatted (oldies, classic rock) > stations in > the CBS/Infinity chain. From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 03:20:52 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri Nov 14 03:20:56 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: <15547391.1068798052899.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: John Bolduc >Sent: Nov 14, 2003 2:59 AM >To: Eli Polonsky , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS > >--- Eli Polonsky wrote: > >After weeks of promotion and hype for the debut of "Let It Be... > >Naked", WODS only aired the right stereo channel of it into both > >channels (R to L+R) through about the first seven songs. > > >I heard part of the program on WBZ in stereo on my AM-stereo car radio, >and it sounded as if left and right channels were the same (no stereo >effect), or as described above. I didn't think WBZ broadcast in AM stereo anymore. I understand that their current main transmitter is in mono, and their AM stereo generator is only on their backup transmitter. That's probably why it sounded like mono to you, because it probably was. Did you actually have an AM stereo indicator light (not just a tuning light) on? I have a number of AM stereo recievers and I haven't heard WBZ in AM stereo during regular programming for at least a year now. Eli Polonsky From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 03:40:52 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri Nov 14 03:41:09 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <15547391.1068798052899.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031114084052.1414.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> > I didn't think WBZ broadcast in AM stereo anymore. I understand > that their current main transmitter is in mono, and their AM stereo > generator is only on their backup transmitter. That's probably why > it sounded like mono to you, because it probably was. Did you > actually have an AM stereo indicator light (not just a tuning light) > on? The stereo indicator was on for the whole fifteen minutes or so I was listening. It's quite reliable and not prone to giving false indication. John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 03:50:18 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri Nov 14 03:50:22 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: <4243204.1068799818470.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> >-----Original Message----- >From: John Bolduc >Sent: Nov 14, 2003 3:40 AM >To: Eli Polonsky >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS > >> I didn't think WBZ broadcast in AM stereo anymore. I understand >>that their current main transmitter is in mono, and their AM stereo >> generator is only on their backup transmitter. That's probably why >> it sounded like mono to you, because it probably was. Did you >> actually have an AM stereo indicator light (not just a tuning light) >> on? > >The stereo indicator was on for the whole fifteen minutes or so I was >listening. It's quite reliable and not prone to giving false indication. Hmm, perhaps they switched the AM stereo transmitter on just for that broadcast, but neglected to feed stereo audio somewhere in their studios or airchain. I wish I had thought of checking out AM during the show. Eli From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 14 07:35:07 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 14 07:35:18 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: <000001c3aaab$bdc3ef50$9f00a8c0@boneill> So, did the new mix de-Spector the tracks? I didn't get to hear the radio release. I was assuming there'd be more range to the mix. Then again, you wouldn't be able to truly tell after Compellor/Optimod/etc. etc. Better to wait for the disc to be sure? Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 14 08:10:00 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:10:24 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: >>So, did the new mix de-Spector the tracks?<< That was supposedly the whole point of re-doing the album in the first place. What I want to know was if George Martin was involved in the re-mixes at all. Sid Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Nov 14 08:47:33 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:46:37 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031114084323.00a51be0@pop3.bit-net.com> Donna Halper wrote: >I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that came >over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It brought >back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still played music-- >Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, and he loved the Beatles. But >then, who didn't? It felt a bit surreal listening to music on WBZ-- and >yet, it fit somehow. These days, there is so little music on AM and so >little unique programming. I commend Peter Casey for putting the Beatles >special on the station. (Maybe one of these days, we will also hear a WBZ >top-40 Reunion-- imagine getting Bruce Bradley, Jefferson Kaye, Jay Dunn, >Dick Summer and others together to re-create what Boston's AM stations >used to do so well...) It sounds good in theory, but let's face it, it would sound every bit as phony as those "grease weekends" WBZ did in the early 70s. More of a parody of 60s T-40 than a re-creation. Almost like listening to one of those "Cruisin'" albums. Keep in mid that WBZ dropped T-40 almost 36 years ago (early 1968 as I recall), and most of these guys haven't done T-40 since then. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Nov 14 08:49:38 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Nov 14 08:48:42 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <1068795310.6C57AF5@s5.dngr.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031114084745.00a53d20@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >Funny if Infinity really wants to shed the word oldies, they could flip >103.3 to BZ-FM ( could be the spirit of 103 again) and like CBS-FM bring >back a heritage jock from time to time...and really lock up the BZ brand. Not sure they could do that...103.3 was never WBZ to begin with & the FCC isn't issuing 3 letter calls. Maybe WWBZ or WBZZ, but I'm sure those calls are on some altrock "buzz" station. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Nov 14 09:01:36 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:00:45 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <20031114080814.39548.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031114085204.00a52390@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >I also heard the "making of..." special beforehand. >Of course, Infinity stations across the nation >were doing this...a friend sent me a tape of >"K-Earth" in L.A. and they mentioned that they'd >be playing the album at 7 pm (PT) on 11/13 (though no >mention of a "making of..." special there). I wasn't able to hear the "making of" part...there was a planning board meeting in the town I live in that concerned a potential development on property that abuts mine, and the meeting dragged on and on... Heard the album though...wasn't all that impressed...LIB was never one of my favorite Beatles albums anyway and after hearing it the same way for 33 years the de-Spectorized version didn't sound right. I think I'll pass on buying the CD. I tuned out shortly after they finished tracking the album...I didn't really see the point of putting artists who had nothing to do with the Beatles on to gush over it. (JC Chasez??? John Lennon was already gone before he was even born!, Sheryl Crow and Billy Joel just sounded spaced out or drunk...neither added a thing imho). From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Nov 14 09:12:26 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:08:02 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: <200311140912.AA529137780@mail.ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: >I also heard the "making of..." special beforehand. >Of course, Infinity stations across the nation >were doing this... > WBZ produced their own version of the "making of" special. It aired starting at 9:00 - WODS started about a minute or two earlier. BZ's production guy pronounced "conducive" as "conductive" i.e. "the atmosphere on the film stage wasn't conductive to making good music." From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 14 09:23:17 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:23:31 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <200311140912.AA529137780@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000001c3aaba$d9d304b0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Roger: > BZ's production guy pronounced "conducive" as "conductive" > i.e. "the atmosphere on the film stage wasn't conductive to > making good music." Maybe it was a metal floor? On the subject of Dubita-BZ nostalgia, I, too, recall faithfully listening to the station, even during it's dominant full service A/C days and the Commander at night. I hung in there after Dave for Ron Robin and just about any of the jocks they ran. The station always maintained that sound. Something seemed to change when "The Spirit of New England" moniker was dashed. It felt as though all the news and info in the world couldn't bring "heart" to the signal. I suspect that its numbers will not have shown any falter, nonetheless. And that's what counts in this business. OTOH, I am glad to hear that the station is taking interesting steps. I guess that if 102.7 WNEW can go from a heritage FM with calls to match to stunting holiday music for seven weeks, then, it's not your father's Oldsmobile. Wait, Olds is going dark. Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 14 09:19:24 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 14 09:46:57 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: >>>Funny if Infinity really wants to shed the word oldies, they could flip >103.3 to BZ-FM ( could be the spirit of 103 again) and like CBS-FM bring >back a heritage jock from time to time...and really lock up the BZ brand. Not sure they could do that...103.3 was never WBZ to begin with & the FCC isn't issuing 3 letter calls.<< In this particular case, they could. Three-letter call signs with -FM, -TV or -LP suffixes are permitted under the current rules to conform to a current three-letter AM station call sign. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sven@gordsven.com Fri Nov 14 10:42:18 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Nov 14 10:42:25 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Sid Schweiger wrote: > That was supposedly the whole point of re-doing the album in the first > place. What I want to know was if George Martin was involved in the > re-mixes at all. What was wrong with the way it was originally made? I wonder if a copy of the original version is still available somewhere....or do they pull all those "old" copies off the shelf? I'd love to get a copy of each record and compare... -- Sven From miscon@miscon.net Fri Nov 14 11:41:07 2003 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Fri Nov 14 11:41:33 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: <200311141141.AA109707344@miscon.net> And a new generation says, "who cares?" Mike ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sven Franklyn Weil Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) >On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Sid Schweiger wrote: >> That was supposedly the whole point of re-doing the album in the first >> place. What I want to know was if George Martin was involved in the >> re-mixes at all. > >What was wrong with the way it was originally made? I wonder if a copy of >the original version is still available somewhere....or do they pull all >those "old" copies off the shelf? > >I'd love to get a copy of each record and compare... > >-- >Sven > > From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 14 11:37:34 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 14 12:14:25 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: >>What was wrong with the way it was originally made? I wonder if a copy of the original version is still available somewhere....or do they pull all those "old" copies off the shelf?<< The original is still in print. What's wrong with it was that at the time, the Beatles were bickering almost non-stop and paying little attention to getting the album out. George Martin was disillusioned as well, so since EMI wanted the album released at roughly the same time as the companion movie of the same name, they had to find a producer to finish it...and Phil Spector was available. The Beatles, mostly Paul, were appalled when they heard the finished product, particularly the trademark Spector over-production on "Let It Be" and "The Long and Winding Road," but couldn't do anything about it at that time. Now, Paul, Ringo and the estates of George and John have complete control over all aspects of the band's recordings and business affairs. Thus, the web site which came online when "1" was released, the remixed version of "All You Need Is Love," which was on the re-released soundtrack of "Yellow Submarine," and now the "Let It Be" album the way the band meant it to be. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 14 12:19:58 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 14 12:37:57 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: >>And a new generation says, "who cares?"<< Probably the same generation that helped make "1" an instant million-seller two years ago, across all age and ethnic backgrounds. All you have to do is to attend any concert given by a Beatles-imitation group. The teenagers show up in astounding numbers and are as much into it as the older folk who were around in the 60's. The fact that these disks, made by a group which broke up more than 30 years ago, still sell, says something about the state of the music business today. Who will remember Brittany Spears or Beyonc? Knowles in 30 years? Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 14 13:06:47 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:06:55 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: <200311141141.AA109707344@miscon.net> Message-ID: <000501c3aada$123a02d0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > And a new generation says, "who cares?" > > Mike Wilkins I'd suggest that, as well. But, OTOH, if newbies discover the Beatles and inherit some of what were influences on our generation, then, perhaps they can turn out to be just LIKE us. Oh, my. Never mind. Whoops. Houston? Anyone? Buehler? Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 13:24:34 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:24:53 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031114182434.23179.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sid Schweiger wrote: The teenagers show up in > astounding numbers and are as much into it as the > older folk who were around in the 60's. > > The fact that these disks, made by a group which > broke up more than 30 years ago, still sell, says > something about the state of the music business > today. Who will remember Brittany Spears or Beyoncé > Knowles in 30 years? Exactly...on the post-album-play discussion group, Fred Durst of limp biskit was one of the commentators. Will people still remember him in 30 years? Or at least as MANY people? Look at the anti-war demonstrations recently. Many college and high school kids attended, clad in the same type of hippie garb as years gone by... there's a cult following of 60s and 70s culture (including the music of course) that today's youth love... even if they were born after the breakup of the Beatles, or even after the death of John Lennon. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 13:35:20 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Nov 14 13:35:23 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031114085204.00a52390@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031114183520.36174.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> LIB was > never one of my favorite > Beatles albums anyway and after hearing it the same > way for 33 years the > de-Spectorized version didn't sound right. I think > I'll pass on buying the CD. I thought it was good, though; everything from the fast-packed, folk-rocky "Two of Us" to the get-back-to-basics "One After 909"...from George's "I Me Mine" to very underrated songs like John's "Across the Universe". It was interesting to hear more organ on "Let it Be", or hear instruments that were later drowned out by add-ons. I'm the type that likes alternate takes, etc. I think I enjoyed the alternate versions of "Fool on the Hill", "Penny Lane", and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" from the Anthology albums BETTER than what we were all used to... Considering the atmosphere in which it was made (hey! let's get a group that's about ready to break up into a cold film studio and rush an album out), it did very well. The "released" version of the album is still out of course, plus we have this as "what it REALLY sounded like in the studio". As it was mentioned on-air, recent technological developments have helped them to not only clear up the sound but give you the sense of what it really sounded like back then. I'm not sure if the album's second disc will contain them or not, but I'd like to see them have the entire rooftop concert (about 20 min. or so) and the full length "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)" which did appear on Anthology 3. "You Know..." was the flip side of the "Let It Be" single IIRC. From mlaurence@mindspring.com Fri Nov 14 15:18:15 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri Nov 14 16:11:13 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: <20031114182434.23179.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > Exactly...on the post-album-play discussion group, > Fred Durst of limp biskit was one of the commentators. > Will people still remember him in 30 years? Or at > least as MANY people? Not many people will be remembered in the same way as The Beatles, but I do think Fred Durst will be a strong part of the pop-culture memories of the late 90's and early 00's, as much as 70's teens remember Alice Cooper and/or Shaun Cassidy. Mark From aread@speakeasy.net Fri Nov 14 17:04:48 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:04:57 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031114170324.023ecf10@mail.speakeasy.net> At 02:06 AM 11/14/2003, Donna Halper wrote: >>Eli wrote-- >>I hear it was also on WBZ, but I didn't think of checking them. > >I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that came >over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It brought >back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still played music-- >Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, I know WBZ doesn't have AM stereo on their primary transmitter (b/c IBOC and AM Stereo don't mix) but they DO have it on their main backup (at the same site, in Hull). FWIW, they don't on the third backup in Allston. Did they switch on the backup to have AM Stereo for the Let It Be-Naked broadcast? That would've been cool... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From aread@speakeasy.net Fri Nov 14 17:31:32 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Fri Nov 14 17:31:37 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031114170324.023ecf10@mail.speakeasy.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031114020143.023ea938@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031114173107.02357e48@mail.speakeasy.net> At 05:04 PM 11/14/2003, Aaron Read wrote: >At 02:06 AM 11/14/2003, Donna Halper wrote: > >>>Eli wrote-- >>>I hear it was also on WBZ, but I didn't think of checking them. >> >>I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that came >>over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It brought >>back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still played music-- >>Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, > >I know WBZ doesn't have AM stereo on their primary transmitter (b/c IBOC >and AM Stereo don't mix) but they DO have it on their main backup (at the >same site, in Hull). FWIW, they don't on the third backup in Allston. > >Did they switch on the backup to have AM Stereo for the Let It Be-Naked >broadcast? That would've been cool... >- Aaron D'oh...a bunch of messages arrived answering this right after I sent it. Nevermind... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 14 20:04:00 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 14 20:04:25 2003 Subject: Beatles References: Message-ID: <002201c3ab14$5d58eb70$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Beatles > That was supposedly the whole point of re-doing the album in the first place. The whole point is $$$$$$. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 14 20:27:55 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 14 21:43:04 2003 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: >>The whole point is $$$$$$.<< 1) Paul and Ringo certainly don't need the money. 2) No one can re-issue Beatles songs without their OK. All the master and work tapes are so labeled, with the signatures of the band members on each and every tape. On any reissue or remix, all four band members (the two living plus the estates of the two dead) must agree in writing. Thus, EMI can't force a reissue if the band doesn't want it. 3) There's no guarantee that this one will sell. The Beatles Anthology series, the BBC tapes disks, the re-issue of the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack and the two singles issued along with the Anthology TV series were certainly not the sort of instant platinum records that they had when they were still together. The sales of "1" were, in that respect, a fluke. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 14 21:54:54 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 14 21:54:59 2003 Subject: Beatles References: Message-ID: <005201c3ab23$d8b3c150$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Beatles > 1) Paul and Ringo certainly don't need the money. Need and want are two different things. > 2) No one can re-issue Beatles songs without their OK. All the master and work tapes are so labeled, with the signatures of the band members on each and every tape. On any reissue or remix, all four band members (the two living plus the estates of the two dead) must agree in writing. Thus, EMI can't force a reissue if the band doesn't want it. So? > 3) There's no guarantee that this one will sell. The Beatles Anthology series, the BBC tapes disks, the re-issue of the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack and the two singles issued along with the Anthology TV series were certainly not the sort of instant platinum records that they had when they were still together. The sales of "1" were, in that respect, a fluke. The huge media show role out indicates to me that this is not about "art." -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 14 22:06:43 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 14 22:06:56 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1068865607.10831EC2@w5.dngr.org> The fact that 34 years after it recorded we talking about it think about it you think anybody in 1969 cared about a Rudy Vallee record made in 1935??? People tuned in From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Nov 15 00:05:37 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Nov 15 00:05:03 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! Message-ID: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> The FCC has approved WAAF's change in City of License from Worcester to Westborough. Docket No. 02-49 DA No. 03-3554. Here is a link to the FCC approval document online... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-3554A1.doc windows document formula http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-3554A1.pdf for those who prefer Adobe Acrobat http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-3554A1.txt a plain non-wrapped text version. --Mike Fitzpatrick From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 01:30:38 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat Nov 15 01:30:50 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS In-Reply-To: <4243204.1068799818470.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031115063038.37689.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> > > Hmm, perhaps they switched the AM stereo transmitter on just for that > broadcast, > Eli > > WBZ back in mono today, no stereo indicator on the radio. John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 01:37:12 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Nov 15 01:41:50 2003 Subject: Beatles References: Message-ID: <004501c3ab43$01a42900$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > >>The whole point is $$$$$$.<< > > 1) Paul and Ringo certainly don't need the money. At a certain point in an artists career, when they have more money than they could ever use in their own lifetime...it becomes about making money for their future lineage. To make enough, keep enough, and make more..for the future generations of that star. Certain industries and products will live on what seems like forever (100's of years), the Seagrams fortune, the Hilton fortune, etc. Will the Beatles as a corperation still be making money in 100+ years? Hmmmmm...... I don't know, but it would behoove them to sell every record, CD, DVD, book...and other affiliated products now while their primary audience and constituancy is still alive. (The core of their fans are now 50+.) > 3) There's no guarantee that this one will sell. The Beatles Anthology series, the BBC tapes disks, the re-issue of the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack and the two singles issued along with the Anthology TV series were certainly not the sort of instant platinum records that they had when they were still together. The sales of "1" were, in that respect, a fluke. Well, with re-issues of anything, the R&D, labor and publishing costs, recording costs, salaries are mostly covered in their original issue. A re-issue of anything is basically gravy. Do they really have to sell a lot of them? From markwats@comcast.net Sat Nov 15 08:19:50 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat Nov 15 08:19:35 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <002b01c3ab7b$26ddc0e0$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Mike Fitzpatrick wrote: > The FCC has approved WAAF's change in City of License from Worcester to Westborough. I noticed while reading the FCC document that they are not changing their transmitting facilities as part of the COL change. IIRC, a while back (maybe a year or so ago) I recall reading on the list they were planning to change their transmitter site to the Channel 27 tower in Boylston. Has this happened prior to the application for the COL change or did they abandon that plan and keep the transmitter in Paxton? Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sat Nov 15 08:39:59 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat Nov 15 08:39:45 2003 Subject: WESX & WJDA Playing Unforgettable Favorites Message-ID: <003701c3ab7d$f70a1280$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> I noticed over the last few weeks that co-owned WESX (1230 Salem MA) and WJDA (1300 Quincy MA) have been sounding more AC with none of the "Stardust" satellite standards they have been playing for several years. The jocks touting the format as "unforgettable favorites" It seems like they changed to a new satellite format, as revealed via quick on line research. ABC offers a format called "Memories, Unforgettable Favorites" To quote a line from the format description (for scholarly purposes only): "Unforgettable Favorites is the format for targeting the growing and successful 35-54 audience." The music I've heard is soft AC hits from the late 50's -early 60's through the 70's and 80's, similar to WPLM-FM (99.1 Plymouth MA). ABC continues to offer the "Stardust" standards format, touting it as having the "greatest pop standards and AC oldies of all time". Is anyone in New England still carrying "Stardust"? WESX & WJDA were the only stations I could pick up in the Boston area that had it. BTW, if anyone wants to learn more about the various satellite formats that ABC offers, you can check it out on the web: www.abcradio.com Click on "24 Hour Formats" on the 'Music & Sports" area on the home page. Mark Watson From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Nov 15 08:57:10 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Nov 15 08:56:15 2003 Subject: Beatles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031115084904.00a17ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: >2) No one can re-issue Beatles songs without their OK. All the master and >work tapes are so labeled, with the signatures of the band members on each >and every tape. I though Michael Jackson owned the rights to most of the Beatles repertoire, or is it just publishing rights? >3) There's no guarantee that this one will sell. The Beatles Anthology >series, the BBC tapes disks, the re-issue of the "Yellow Submarine" >soundtrack and the two singles issued along with the Anthology TV series >were certainly not the sort of instant platinum records that they had when >they were still together. The sales of "1" were, in that respect, a fluke. I think this one is for the "true believers". I doubt many people outside of the diehard fans really care about an album of alternate takes despite the "this is the way the Beatles wanted the album to sound" hype. In 1969 I doubt any of the members cared one way or another. "1s" sold well because all the songs were hits. LIB was, at best, a contractual obligation album. My guess is that pretty much anyone who cares will buy it now, and sales will fizzle out pretty fast. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 11:57:36 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 15 11:57:45 2003 Subject: WESX & WJDA Playing Unforgettable Favorites In-Reply-To: <003701c3ab7d$f70a1280$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20031115165736.32778.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Watson wrote: > I noticed over the last few weeks that co-owned > WESX (1230 Salem MA) and > WJDA (1300 Quincy MA) have been sounding more AC > with none of the "Stardust" > satellite standards they have been playing for > several years. A tape trader asked me recently for a side of each and when I rolled tape I noticed that, indeed, it is more AC or AC/oldies... "Unforgettable > Favorites is the format for targeting the growing > and successful 35-54 > audience." The music I've heard is soft AC hits from > the late 50's -early > 60's through the 70's and 80's, similar to WPLM-FM > (99.1 Plymouth MA). There are stations like WJIB for the more "standards"/easy audience (i.e., not necessarily soft AC). I'm hearing more and more about the Real Oldies format, too; the addition of Little Walter to WXKS (starting Nov. 22, Sat. at 11 am) has led some to wonder if they will start running the R.O. format (50s and 60s pop/rock; for those disenchanted with how oldies stations are doing "Beatles to disco"). As the old Saturday Night Live sketch put it, "Send More Chuck Berry"! (For those who don't remember the sketch, it was during the first years of the show-- a roundtable discussion of psychics making predictions. It was said that the Voyager spacecraft was sent into outer space containing various human artifacts, including music ranging from classical to Chuck Berry. A psychic played by Steve Martin is asked what will be the headline of next week's Time magazine. He predicts that aliens who found the spaceship will send a message back to us, and the message will be the headline of next week's Time: "Send More Chuck Berry" :)) From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Nov 15 12:58:14 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat Nov 15 13:00:08 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Nov 15, 2003, at 12:05 AM, Fitzpatrick, Mike wrote: > The FCC has approved WAAF's change in City of License from Worcester > to Westborough. How silly and how sad. WAAF Westborough? Will they start covering Westborough town politics now? If not, it shows how silly having a COL is. And how sad that WAAF, a station that once alternately took pride in, and made fun of, Worcester, now ignores their audience outside of Boston. At one time, they showed up in six books, didn't they? Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield,... Paul From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Nov 15 15:45:00 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Nov 15 15:45:10 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031115154309.024f3558@mail.mac.com> >On Nov 15, 2003, at 12:05 AM, Fitzpatrick, Mike wrote: > >>The FCC has approved WAAF's change in City of License from Worcester to >>Westborough. My guess (emphasis on guess) is that they needed to do this first, before applying to change their transmitter location to the Ch 27 tower. Stay tuned, I guess again. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Nov 15 15:55:38 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Nov 15 15:54:42 2003 Subject: WESX & WJDA Playing Unforgettable Favorites In-Reply-To: <20031115165736.32778.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <003701c3ab7d$f70a1280$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031115155230.00a17760@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >I'm hearing more and more about the Real Oldies >format, too; the addition of Little Walter to >WXKS (starting Nov. 22, Sat. at 11 am) has led >some to wonder if they will start running the >R.O. format (50s and 60s pop/rock; for those >disenchanted with how oldies stations are >doing "Beatles to disco"). I makes sense...the audience for standards is dying off fast...the demo for RO is more or less what the demo for MOYL was 20 years ago. Of course there'll be the disenchanted MOR listeners who'll complain about all this rock & roll garbage replacing their Patti Page & Perry Como tunes... From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Nov 15 15:57:10 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Nov 15 15:56:15 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031115155551.00a6a940@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Anderson wrote: >At one time, they showed up in six books, didn't they? >Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield,... That's only 5. Maybe Manchester the 6th? From sps199@psu.edu Sat Nov 15 16:26:39 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Nov 15 16:24:49 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031115155551.00a6a940@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000001c3abbf$2868b5c0$33434742@Sean> Steve O. writes: >> That's only 5. Maybe Manchester the 6th? << I believe the sixth was Albany, at least from what I've read elsewhere. From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Nov 15 16:39:04 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat Nov 15 16:39:54 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <000001c3abbf$2868b5c0$33434742@Sean> References: <000001c3abbf$2868b5c0$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <22258A10-17B4-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Nov 15, 2003, at 4:26 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Steve O. writes: >>> That's only 5. Maybe Manchester the 6th? << > > I believe the sixth was Albany, at least from what I've read elsewhere. Perhaps, since eastern Berkshire country would get a good signal from WAAF, at least from its current transmitter location. But maybe it was a southern New Hampshire market like Nashua. How's the signal up there? And here's what's so silly about this COL change, from the FCC decision: We believe the public interest would be served by reallotting Channel 297B to Westborough, Massachusetts, since it would provide the community with its first local aural transmission service, without depriving Worcester of its sole local service. As if a single solitary thing will change on WAAF with the exception of a hushed "Westborough" after the calls at the top of the hour. Paul From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 15 17:17:53 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 15 17:17:56 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <22258A10-17B4-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> References: <000001c3abbf$2868b5c0$33434742@Sean> <22258A10-17B4-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <200311152217.hAFMHrl0064673@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > As if a single solitary thing will change on WAAF with the exception of > a hushed "Westborough" after the calls at the top of the hour. ITYM ``a hushed `Westborough' after the calls at :50 after the hour''. (Or at least so it was last time I could stand to listen long enough to find out.) True story: one of the WAAF IDs in the Archives was recorded in an unusual manner. (I think this was two owners ago.) I listened across the top and didn't hear an ID, so I called 931-1223 and asked the jock to play one for me, and so she did. -GAWollman From paul@03038.com Sat Nov 15 17:24:47 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Nov 15 17:19:14 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: And Manchester NH as well Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Paul Anderson > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:58 PM > To: Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! > > > On Nov 15, 2003, at 12:05 AM, Fitzpatrick, Mike wrote: > > > The FCC has approved WAAF's change in City of License from Worcester > > to Westborough. > > How silly and how sad. WAAF Westborough? Will they start covering > Westborough town politics now? If not, it shows how silly having a COL > is. And how sad that WAAF, a station that once alternately took pride > in, and made fun of, Worcester, now ignores their audience outside of > Boston. At one time, they showed up in six books, didn't they? > Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield,... > > Paul > From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Sat Nov 15 17:58:43 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat Nov 15 17:59:11 2003 Subject: WPLM (FM) w/Extreme QRP Message-ID: <3FB6AFA3.7DA12FD8@Programmer.Net> Since before 3:30pm yesterday afternoon (Fri-14th), 99.1-WPLM has been running with extremely low power--barely breaks through the noise floor, up here on the North Shore. I would presume it's related/caused by the high winds. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Nov 15 18:22:45 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Nov 15 18:22:09 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net><48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> <6.0.0.22.2.20031115154309.024f3558@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <002201c3abcf$611ee320$22f971d1@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" > > My guess (emphasis on guess) is that they needed to do this first, before > applying to change their transmitter location to the Ch 27 tower. Stay > tuned, I guess again. > WAAF has a construction permit to move to the WUNI tower that was issued before their request for the change of the city of license. --Mike Fitzpatrick From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Nov 15 18:31:19 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Nov 15 18:30:43 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <000001c3abbf$2868b5c0$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <004301c3abd0$934ab580$22f971d1@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" > > I believe the sixth was Albany, at least from what I've read elsewhere. > That is a real stretch. While those of us who are radio lovers and can stand to listen to a very weak signal under static, WAAF's signal in the Albany area is not the signal a normal person could stand. The biggest issue with WAAF in Albany is WRWD-FM in Highland Park, NY (also on 107.3) has a pretty decent signal up the valley. In Great Barrington, where I used to live, we couldn't get WAAF until you were on a east facing hill, because of WRWD-FM. I remember students in High School with me asking me why they couldn't hear WAAF around there and how disappointed they were because of it. (and how mad they were at "that country station" that blows it away). --Mike Fitzpatrick. From lorraine6474@usadatanet.net Sat Nov 15 21:51:43 2003 From: lorraine6474@usadatanet.net (Lorraine Smith) Date: Sat Nov 15 21:51:35 2003 Subject: WPLM (FM) w/Extreme QRP References: <3FB6AFA3.7DA12FD8@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <003401c3abec$92861c40$36ea4345@customer> Since before 3:30pm yesterday afternoon (Fri-14th), 99.1-WPLM has been running with extremely low power--barely breaks through the noise floor, up here on the North Shore. I would presume it's related/caused by the high winds. ~Kaimbridge~ I was barely able to hear them in Metrowest today. The last time they had problems, over the summer, it was from a lightning strike. Lorraine From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 10:44:25 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 16 10:44:33 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX Message-ID: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> The other day I was in Salem near the Beverly-Salem bridge, in the parking lot of a restaurant, waiting for them to open (just before 11:30 am). I spent a moment turning the AM dial to see what I could pick up. It had rained recently (the storm clouds going out to sea) but now was partly cloudy (and this was just before all that windy weather we got). Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! Perhaps not surprising; I've gotten Canadian AM DX (in the daytime) before here on the North Shore. Before they moved to FM, CHSJ in St. John, New Brunswick came in like a local up in Gloucester! (Especially at Stage Fort Park on Rt. 127, which is right on the water.) I mentioned this on a DX board. Being here on the North Shore, I'm used to Maine and Cape Cod AMs coming in "over the water" (like WFPB 1170 in Orleans). Someone mentioned that water helps reception of ground wave stations, and perhaps the recent rain we'd had helped it, too. Adding to the "water helps AM reception" theory, there's a moment in Sen. Zell Miller's new book where the longtime Georgia politician mentions how he grew up loving the Grand Ole Opry's Sat. night broadcasts on WSM 650 out of Nashville and he remembers "pouring water on the ground wire to make the music come in clearer". Interesting. So I guess living next to the ocean AND having "wet ground" would help my daytime (and nighttime) AM DX, eh? From ssmyth@suscom.net Sun Nov 16 12:18:34 2003 From: ssmyth@suscom.net (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Nov 16 12:16:37 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c3ac65$aa36d360$33434742@Sean> Bob Nelson writes: << Perhaps not surprising; I've gotten Canadian AM DX (in the daytime) before here on the North Shore. Before they moved to FM, CHSJ in St. John, New Brunswick came in like a local up in Gloucester! (Especially at Stage Fort Park on Rt. 127, which is right on the water.) >> I used to always pull in CHSJ very well when living in South Boston (and I was about a half-mile from the beach, not right on the water). From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Nov 16 13:46:09 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Nov 16 13:46:28 2003 Subject: WNAN Message-ID: On today's (11/16) LTAR, the Jibguy mentioned that WNAN, 91.1 on Nantucket Island, won approval to boost its power somewhat. I assume that this is contingent on UMass Dartmouth's WUSM going ahead with its CP to change frequency from 91.1 to 89.3. I understand this may not happen till next year, unless some of the Krocdough is made available to local stations for upgrades like this. Laurence Glavin (I can attest to the existence of Misty Bitner; she was present for MY appearance on LTAR.) BTW, if you think it's odd to give a family surname to a pet, I heard of a guy who brought his pet lizard to his denomination to be baptized, thus the first Christian Science monitor. ____________________________________________________________ Enter now for a chance to win a 42" Plasma Television! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 AOL users go here: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6413623;3807821;f?http://mocda1.com/1/c/563632/113422/313631/313631 This offer applies to U.S. Residents Only From paul@03038.com Sun Nov 16 15:01:48 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Nov 16 14:56:02 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: CHSJ used to come in quite well on the Central Artery NB as well. Alas, 700 AND the Span (NB) are no more.... Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Bob Nelson > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:44 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: water and ground waves in DX > > > The other day I was in Salem near the Beverly-Salem > bridge, in the parking lot of a restaurant, waiting > for them to open (just before 11:30 am). I spent > a moment turning the AM dial to see what I could pick > up. It had rained recently (the storm clouds going out > to sea) but now was partly cloudy (and this was > just before all that windy weather we got). > > Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very > well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to > hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but > figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at > radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been > VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! > > Perhaps not surprising; I've gotten Canadian AM > DX (in the daytime) before here on the North Shore. > Before they moved to FM, CHSJ in St. John, New > Brunswick came in like a local up in Gloucester! > (Especially at Stage Fort Park on Rt. 127, which is > right on the water.) > > I mentioned this on a DX board. Being here on the > North Shore, I'm used to Maine and Cape Cod AMs > coming in "over the water" (like WFPB 1170 > in Orleans). Someone mentioned that water helps > reception of ground wave stations, and perhaps > the recent rain we'd had helped it, too. > > Adding to the "water helps AM reception" theory, > there's a moment in Sen. Zell Miller's new book > where the longtime Georgia politician mentions > how he grew up loving the Grand Ole Opry's > Sat. night broadcasts on WSM 650 out of Nashville > and he remembers "pouring water on the ground wire to > make the music come in clearer". Interesting. > > So I guess living next to the ocean AND having > "wet ground" would help my daytime (and nighttime) > AM DX, eh? From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Sun Nov 16 15:42:16 2003 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Sun Nov 16 15:42:16 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20031116153729.01c78aa8@incoming.verizon.net> At 10:44 AM 11/16/2003, you wrote: >The other day I was in Salem near the Beverly-Salem >bridge, in the parking lot of a restaurant, waiting >Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very >well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to >hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but >figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at >radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been >VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! Good catch! In downtown Salem, I usually only get WINS during the daytime, though with the shorter days I can usually receive CHTN if the Sun is quiet enough. I have yet to get Newfoundland. If it weren't so bitterly cold lately, I'd walk to the bridge to hear for myself. At home, I'm surrounded completely by concrete, so I couldn't say if a wet ground matters. :( I miss CHSJ, too. Take care, Dave David Moisan, N1KGH ARES/SKYWARN dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Invisible Disability: http://www.davidmoisan.org/invisible_disability.html ATS-909 FAQ: http://www.davidmoisan.org/radio/sangean/ats909faq.html From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Nov 16 16:14:17 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Nov 16 16:13:21 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031116161241.00a637e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very >well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to >hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but >figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at >radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been >VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! It also could have been WNTK Newport, N.H. They have a country format. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 16 16:47:43 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Nov 16 17:08:27 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX References: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c3ac8e$25558140$19eefea9@dstrassberg> SALT water is what really helps. It has a conductivity of 5 S/m, whereas the soil around here has a conductivity of roughly 2 mS/m (less in many places). At reasonable distances (up to 100 miles or so), there is not much difference between medium-wave propagation over salt water and medium-wave propagation over a sheet of pure copper. This is, of course, a theoretical calculation, since there is no place on earth where a 100-mile sheet of copper exists. Anyhow, salt water is roughly 2500 times as conductive as most of the dry land in the Boston area. Fresh water is only about four times as conductive as typical New England soil. Tidal mud flats are about as conductive as salt water itself. Although the soil conductivity does improve after a drenching rain, the effect is not as great as having the signal arrive via a salt water path. If you believe the FCC's soil conductivity maps, the soil conductivity in much of Kanasa, Nebraska, and the Dakotas is five times that of the fresh water in the Great Lakes, although I don't think the FCC took conductivity data in the Cleveland area thirty years or so ago when the Cuyahoga River caught fire ;>) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: water and ground waves in DX > > So I guess living next to the ocean AND having > "wet ground" would help my daytime (and nighttime) > AM DX, eh? From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 19:14:18 2003 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun Nov 16 19:14:28 2003 Subject: HOW DID WAAF MAKE IT TO THE ALBANY RATINGS BOOKS? HERE's A SURPRISE! In-Reply-To: <004301c3abd0$934ab580$22f971d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20031117001418.8478.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Well, believe it or not, in the 1970's and early 1980's WAAF DID used to show up faithfully in the Albany, NY market ratings. How? Easy! FM Cable! Back in the 1970's Albany/Schenectady and Troy were already wired for cable, for years. One of the little perks with cable TV was that it came with all-band FM reception, usually from an non-DA receive antenna system located at the "headend". As a result, WAAF, already located high atop Ashnebumskit in Paxton, MA had the height advantage. With a peak to peak "line-of-sight", WAAF easily made it to the Albany headend. Albany, at that time, was highly under-radioed. Other than WQBK ("PYX/106" was still WHSH until 1980), WAAF was the only other game in town for Album Rock. (The nearest Album Rockers, down in Poughkeepsie WSPK and WPDH were not very powerful at that time in Albany.) Everybody was connected to the cable service. Not bad! However when WHSH went to WPYX with AOR in 1980, WAAF was no longer THE station to listen to anymore. When I lived in Great Barrington, MA in the late 1970's, Berkshire Cable had a similar set up with an non-DA all-band FM service being received from the headend. With it, I was able to always pickup WAAF and WSRS in Worcester, virtually all Boston FM's including WROR (the first one on 98.5), WCOZ (94.5), WCRB (102.5) and WEEI-FM (103.3). All the Boston FM's I received were in strong Stereo! Not bad for 140 miles away! Many NYC FM'ers were there too, including WCBS-FM, WYNY (97.1), WEVD-FM (97.9) and WXLO (the old one at 98.7)! The nice thing about the cable service was that if any local station were to NOT be on 24 hours, you had some nice DX spots to play with after sign-off. For example, WLVH (93.7) in Hartford would shut down at midnight, opening up the way to hear WCGY from Lawrence. Even the old WLYN-FM in Lynn, MA would be heard after WBRK-FM in Pittsfield went silent for the night at midnight. The world (at least the DX world) was your oyster! Ah, life was good! 73, Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts --- "Fitzpatrick, Mike" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Smyth" > > > > I believe the sixth was Albany, at least from what > I've read elsewhere. > > > > That is a real stretch. While those of us who are > radio lovers and can stand > to listen to a very weak signal under static, WAAF's > signal in the Albany > area is not the signal a normal person could stand. > The biggest issue with > WAAF in Albany is WRWD-FM in Highland Park, NY (also > on 107.3) has a pretty > decent signal up the valley. In Great Barrington, > where I used to live, we > couldn't get WAAF until you were on a east facing > hill, because of WRWD-FM. > I remember students in High School with me asking me > why they couldn't hear > WAAF around there and how disappointed they were > because of it. (and how mad > they were at "that country station" that blows it > away). > > --Mike Fitzpatrick. > > ===== Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 20:05:53 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sun Nov 16 20:10:02 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX References: <20031116154425.63169.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c3ac8e$25558140$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000f01c3aca6$f4bbc1c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> WHEB USed to have a map in it's lobby that claimed that it reached the bay side of the Cape. I always thought htis was an exaggeration. Not sure if they were referring to the FM with a bigger signal..or it's AM, traveling further over the water. ??? JP From engineer@the-spa.com Sun Nov 16 20:26:45 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sun Nov 16 20:26:14 2003 Subject: HOW DID WAAF MAKE IT TO THE ALBANY RATINGS BOOKS? HERE's A SURPRISE! References: <20031117001418.8478.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c3aca9$df41fc80$63ec85ac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" Subject: HOW DID WAAF MAKE IT TO THE ALBANY RATINGS BOOKS? HERE's A SURPRISE! > When I lived in Great Barrington, MA in the late > 1970's, Berkshire Cable had a similar set up with an > non-DA all-band FM service being received from the > headend. With it, I was able to always pickup WAAF > and WSRS in Worcester, virtually all Boston FM's > including WROR (the first one on 98.5), WCOZ (94.5), > WCRB (102.5) and WEEI-FM (103.3). All the Boston FM's > I received were in strong Stereo! Not bad for 140 > miles away! Many NYC FM'ers were there too, including > WCBS-FM, WYNY (97.1), WEVD-FM (97.9) and WXLO (the old > one at 98.7)! That cable head end is an amazing sight. They pick up WCVB-TV off air using an antenna that was once used to pick up WNYW-TV the old WNEW-TV from New York City. Also they used to pick up WWOR and WPIX from New York City off air as well. However just recently, they dropped WPIX from the lineup, the last of the NYC TV stations to be carried on the system. During the skip season, you would see other channels come in over WPIX and WWOR. I remember seeing WUSA coming in one night over WWOR (so much so that WUSA was watchable with a little interference from WWOR). > The nice thing about the cable service was that > if any local station were to NOT be on 24 hours, you > had some nice DX spots to play with after sign-off. > For example, WLVH (93.7) in Hartford would shut down > at midnight, opening up the way to hear WCGY from > Lawrence. Even the old WLYN-FM in Lynn, MA would be > heard after WBRK-FM in Pittsfield went silent for the > night at midnight. The world (at least the DX world) > was your oyster! Ah, life was good! > When the "modulated" FM was put in, that ended all that, and the modulators they used were downright bad. Their input drifted so much the dial was never stable. I worked with the head end tech at the time to clean it up and it sounded good for a while, but then it got so bad that it was just a waste. However IM off the subject. When WBBS 105.1 (now WAMQ) signed off, I used to listen to WWLI in Providence or the old Mix 105 (WMXV ?) in New York, depending on which was coming in better. --Mike Fitzpatrick From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 00:03:01 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:03:05 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031116161241.00a637e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031117050301.51729.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Re: the country station I picked up on 1010: > It also could have been WNTK Newport, N.H. They > have a country format. I thought it might have been them, too, but their website says they're talk: http://www.wntk.com (The site says they're at AM 1020 and FM 99.7. Radio-locator.com says they have a CP to move to 1010. Both "WNTK 1010 (CP)" and "WNTK 1020" are listed in radio-locator.com as "Talk".) I haven't been up that way in awhile; I knew they were doing country before but thought I heard they'd switched to talk. Or did the talk move to the 1480 in Springfield, VT (co-owned)? Not sure how accurate their website is (maybe the changed the site but didn't take down the old one?) At the time I tuned in (11:25 am), Dr. Joy Browne is supposed to be on, if the WNTK site is accurate. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 00:06:56 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:07:00 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20031116153729.01c78aa8@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <20031117050656.30713.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- David Moisan wrote: > Good catch! In downtown Salem, I usually only get > WINS during the daytime, > though with the shorter days I can usually receive > CHTN if the Sun is quiet > enough. I have yet to get Newfoundland. This morning about 11:20 am, I was heading over the Beverly-Salem bridge into Salem to do my WMWM show. I was listening to Let's Talk About Radio, of course, but for a moment I tuned to 1010 and heard country again, as I was on the highest part of the bridge. As I headed toward Bridge St., it faded because WBZ started to overpower it. > If it weren't so bitterly cold lately, I'd walk to > the bridge to hear for > myself. At home, I'm surrounded completely by > concrete, so I couldn't say > if a wet ground matters. :( > I miss CHSJ, too. Yup...for the record, the "catch" I made was in the parking lot of the "99" near the bridge. Right on the water. From aread@speakeasy.net Mon Nov 17 00:17:55 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (aread@speakeasy.net) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:17:59 2003 Subject: WNAN Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurence Glavin [mailto:lglavin@lycos.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 06:46 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: WNAN > > On today's (11/16) LTAR, the Jibguy mentioned that WNAN, > 91.1 on Nantucket Island, won approval to boost its power > somewhat. I assume that this is contingent on UMass Dartmouth's > WUSM going ahead with its CP to change frequency from 91.1 to > 89.3. I understand this may not happen till next year, > unless some of the Krocdough is made available to local > stations for upgrades like this. > WUSM? I presume you mean WSMU? :-) The masked nitpicker strikes again!!! - Aaron From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 17 00:19:34 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:19:56 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <20031117050301.51729.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031117050301.51729.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069046377.2527B20A@r5.dngr.org> OK this one has me stumped. A few days ago while near Foxboro at 530 PM another signal came over WBZ on 1030 playing polka music followed by a commercial in a language I think was polish.... Anybody have a clue??? From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 17 00:30:37 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:30:53 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <1069046377.2527B20A@r5.dngr.org> References: <20031117050301.51729.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <1069046377.2527B20A@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200311170530.hAH5UbQe074400@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > OK this one has me stumped. A few days ago while near Foxboro at 530 PM > another signal came over WBZ on 1030 playing polka music followed by a > commercial in a language I think was polish.... Anybody have a clue??? WNVR Vernon Hills, Ill. I'm certain Mark Manuelian will be pleased to find out.... (Actually, it's possible that they were still legally on day power when you heard them, since sunset in Illinois is about an hour later than it is here. By 5:30 EST, the control point for that path would already be in darkness.) -GAWollman From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 17 00:52:14 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:52:45 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR Message-ID: <3FB81BBE.31435.2A1A1DF@localhost> Bob and Dan were talking this morning about the extent to which religions teach creationism. I believe that at this point only the most fundamentalist religions do. I think I read a few years ago that the Catholic Church accepted evolution, but believed that it is guided by God. That is the position that most Orthodox rabbis adopted back in the 19th century, when evolution first came out. The feeling among even most Orthodox scholars is that even the Talmudic rabbis would have had no problem with the idea of one species evolving from another, but, again, believe the process is not random, but is guided by God. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 17 00:57:38 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 17 00:57:42 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <3FB81BBE.31435.2A1A1DF@localhost> References: <3FB81BBE.31435.2A1A1DF@localhost> Message-ID: <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Bob and Dan were talking this morning about the extent to which > religions teach creationism. For the benefit of those of us who were not able to partake, can you explain how the topic of the show wandered that far afield? -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 17 02:05:38 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 17 02:00:31 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <200311170557.hAH5vlxO043538@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117020050.0428e068@gwind.pair.com> At 12:57 AM 11/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > OK this one has me stumped. A few days ago while near Foxboro at 530 PM > > another signal came over WBZ on 1030 playing polka music followed by a > > commercial in a language I think was polish.... Anybody have a clue??? > >WNVR Vernon Hills, Ill. I'm certain Mark Manuelian will be pleased to >find out.... Mmm...not if it was polka music. The nice folks at Polnet, which owns WNVR, WRKL 910 New City (cough) "New York" and WLIM 1580 Patchogue LI, corrected me rather sternly when I made a polka crack about their programming a few years back. While Polnet does program 100% in Polish, it's mostly news-talk, with some of what we'd call AC music. Apparently they look at polkas the way the English radio community looks at big band - it's what the old folks listen to, not what you'd program for a younger, more Americanized audience. As for country on 1010, surely Mr. Nelson knows better than to believe either radio-locator or WNTK's own website! As I've reported in NERW and 100kw, WNTK's AM side went back to Americana music a while back, and slid down the dial from 1020 back to 1010 in September, thus allowing the addition of 37 whopping watts after dark. WNBX 1480 in Springfield VT dropped the talk around the same time to go "Real Oldies," and I ought to know, seeing as how I'm the (big cough) overnight jock there :-) "Scotty D," all night long on WNBX and WSNH... From sven@gordsven.com Mon Nov 17 12:05:17 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:05:31 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Garrett Wollman wrote: > For the benefit of those of us who were not able to partake, can you > explain how the topic of the show wandered that far afield? Garrett, I thought you were based in Cambridge - smack in the middle of JIB-land? :-) -- Sven From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 17 12:07:53 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:08:01 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: References: <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200311171707.hAHH7r13077931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Garrett, I thought you were based in Cambridge - smack in the middle of > JIB-land? :-) No, the server is in Cambridge. I live out in a very noisy part of Framingham, within sight of the 650/1060/1200 sticks on Mt. Wayte Ave. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 17 12:26:32 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:26:48 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117020050.0428e068@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117020050.0428e068@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1069090000.C3A8703@w5.dngr.org> It sounded like a polka (shrug) Radio is a whacky biz, years ago when I worked in Buffalo the biggest joke in the city was a family owned station out by the airport on 1230. Now WECK is reported to be one of Infinity's biggest pure profit stations anywhere. On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 2:03am, Scott Fybush wrote: > At 12:57 AM 11/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>> OK this one has me stumped. A few days ago while near Foxboro at 530 >>> PM >>> another signal came over WBZ on 1030 playing polka music followed by a >>> commercial in a language I think was polish.... Anybody have a clue??? >> >> WNVR Vernon Hills, Ill. I'm certain Mark Manuelian will be pleased to >> find out.... > > Mmm...not if it was polka music. The nice folks at Polnet, which owns > WNVR, WRKL 910 New City (cough) "New York" and WLIM 1580 Patchogue LI, > corrected me rather sternly when I made a polka crack about their > programming a few years back. While Polnet does program 100% in Polish, > it's mostly news-talk, with some of what we'd call AC music. Apparently > they look at polkas the way the English radio community looks at big > band - it's what the old folks listen to, not what you'd program for a > younger, more Americanized audience. > > As for country on 1010, surely Mr. Nelson knows better than to believe > either radio-locator or WNTK's own website! > > As I've reported in NERW and 100kw, WNTK's AM side went back to > Americana music a while back, and slid down the dial from 1020 back to > 1010 in September, thus allowing the addition of 37 whopping watts > after dark. WNBX 1480 in Springfield VT dropped the talk around the > same time to go "Real Oldies," and I ought to know, seeing as how I'm > the (big cough) overnight jock there :-) > > "Scotty D," all night long on WNBX and WSNH... From paul@03038.com Mon Nov 17 12:33:37 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:27:49 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031116161241.00a637e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: Re: WNTK But have they moved to 1010 yet? And I think they're more of a Walden 1120 days style folk music station Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 ( paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of SteveOrdinetz > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:14 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: water and ground waves in DX > > > Bob Nelson wrote: > > > >Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very > >well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to > >hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but > >figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at > >radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been > >VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! > > > It also could have been WNTK Newport, N.H. They have a country format. > > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 13:15:42 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:15:45 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117020050.0428e068@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <20031117181542.35748.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > As for country on 1010, surely Mr. Nelson knows > better than to believe > either radio-locator or WNTK's own website! Well I was hoping either might be accurate but I guess they aren't :) I haven't been up there in awhile but in the summer I drove through the area and heard country on 1020 and talk (Howie Carr) on 1480. But as you say, they moved the 1020 to 1010 and the talk became oldies in _Sept._... So maybe I was picking up WNTK 1010 instead of the station from Newfoundland. But the fact that I've gotten some Canadian AMs before here on the coast (in daytime) made me think it was possible... From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 17 13:49:48 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:50:46 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! References: <20031117181542.35748.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Except that I don't think there's anything on 1010 in eastern Canada other than CFRB and the Newfoundland station. There is an allocation in Thunder Bay ON, which is northwest of Toronto and protects CFRB. CFRB is a Class A AM (kinda weird because CFRB's skywave service receives severe interference from WINS, but there are historical reasons related to the CBC's confiscation--in the early 1940s--of CFRB's former frequency, 860, and frequency swap of CJBC with CFRB). Anyhow, although the dominant Class A on 1010 is in Alberta (Calgary, I think), CFRB is not supposed to receive skywave interference from any Canadian station. However, the Newfoundland station might have been on 1010 before NF became part of Canada, so its skywave contours may be grandfathered. The fact that the NF station is ND-U (5 kW-D/1 kW-N) suggests that the station is very old. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Scott Fybush ; Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! > Scott Fybush wrote: > > As for country on 1010, surely Mr. Nelson knows > > better than to believe > > either radio-locator or WNTK's own website! > > Well I was hoping either might be accurate but I > guess they aren't :) I haven't been up there in > awhile but in the summer I drove through the area > and heard country on 1020 and talk (Howie Carr) > on 1480. But as you say, they moved the 1020 > to 1010 and the talk became oldies in _Sept._... > > So maybe I was picking up WNTK 1010 instead of > the station from Newfoundland. But the fact that I've > gotten some Canadian AMs before here on the coast > (in daytime) made me think it was possible... From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 17 14:15:22 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:10:18 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20031117181542.35748.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117141144.03acee98@gwind.pair.com> At 01:49 PM 11/17/2003 -0500, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Except that I don't think there's anything on 1010 in eastern Canada other >than CFRB and the Newfoundland station. And on further checking, there's not even the Newfoundland station! CKXD Gander NF moved to FM sometime in 2001. Here's the 1999 CRTC decision that permitted it: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/eng/Decisions/1999/DB99-452.htm So whatever was being heard on 1010 wasn't coming from the Maritimes, in any event... s From wftn@comcast.net Mon Nov 17 17:27:46 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:27:56 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX Message-ID: <111720032227.27146.4e2@comcast.net> Yes, WNTK-AM is now on 1010. Just like when I used to listen to them as a kid when they were WCNL! Anyway, they bill themselves as the best in classic country, bluegrass and folk. Gary Ford WFTN-FM Music Director > Re: WNTK > > But have they moved to 1010 yet? And I think they're more of a Walden 1120 > days style folk music station > > Paul Hopfgarten > East Derry NH 03041 > ( > paul@03038.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > > Of SteveOrdinetz > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:14 PM > > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > Subject: Re: water and ground waves in DX > > > > > > Bob Nelson wrote: > > > > > > >Well, stations from the Cape and Maine came in very > > >well (even better than usual) and I was surprised to > > >hear country music on AM 1010. I didn't hear an ID but > > >figure it was not WINS, and not CFRB... but a look at > > >radio-locator.com indicated it just might have been > > >VOCM from Gander, Newfoundland! > > > > > > It also could have been WNTK Newport, N.H. They have a country format. > > > > > From paul@03038.com Mon Nov 17 17:56:44 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 17 17:51:11 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: I would think the key would be if you heard a time, and if it was 90 min ahead or 'on time' would certainly have answered the issue... Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Dan Strassberg > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:50 PM > To: Bob Nelson; Scott Fybush; Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! > > > Except that I don't think there's anything on 1010 in eastern Canada other > than CFRB and the Newfoundland station. There is an allocation in Thunder > Bay ON, which is northwest of Toronto and protects CFRB. CFRB is a Class A > AM (kinda weird because CFRB's skywave service receives severe > interference > from WINS, but there are historical reasons related to the CBC's > confiscation--in the early 1940s--of CFRB's former frequency, 860, and > frequency swap of CJBC with CFRB). Anyhow, although the dominant > Class A on > 1010 is in Alberta (Calgary, I think), CFRB is not supposed to receive > skywave interference from any Canadian station. However, the Newfoundland > station might have been on 1010 before NF became part of Canada, so its > skywave contours may be grandfathered. The fact that the NF > station is ND-U > (5 kW-D/1 kW-N) suggests that the station is very old. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Nelson > To: Scott Fybush ; > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! > > > > Scott Fybush wrote: > > > As for country on 1010, surely Mr. Nelson knows > > > better than to believe > > > either radio-locator or WNTK's own website! > > > > Well I was hoping either might be accurate but I > > guess they aren't :) I haven't been up there in > > awhile but in the summer I drove through the area > > and heard country on 1020 and talk (Howie Carr) > > on 1480. But as you say, they moved the 1020 > > to 1010 and the talk became oldies in _Sept._... > > > > So maybe I was picking up WNTK 1010 instead of > > the station from Newfoundland. But the fact that I've > > gotten some Canadian AMs before here on the coast > > (in daytime) made me think it was possible... > From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 17 18:24:10 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 17 18:19:07 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: References: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117182338.03aff298@gwind.pair.com> At 05:56 PM 11/17/2003 -0500, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >I would think the key would be if you heard a time, and if it was 90 min >ahead or 'on time' would certainly have answered the issue... Well, that and Newfoundland having moved to FM two years ago, yes... ;-) s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 18:22:06 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Mon Nov 17 18:22:10 2003 Subject: Cable FM Reception In-Reply-To: <20031117001418.8478.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031117232206.87734.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:14:18 -0800 "Peter Q. George" wrote: How? Easy! FM Cable! > Back in the 1970's Albany/Schenectady and Troy were > already wired for cable, for years. One of the > little > perks with cable TV was that it came with all-band > FM > reception, usually from an non-DA receive antenna > system located at the "headend". Whatever happened to that? I discovered that existed fairly late, when I heard about it in NJ and out of curiosity hooked the cable line up to my stereo and found it, complete with a stereo feed of MTV's audio on 89.5 FM. But then a couple years later the cable company was taken over, and after that takeover there was no more FM reception to be had thru cable. I thought I heard somewhere that a law was passed in the late 80s/early 90s that banned "Cable FM," so to speak, but don't know for sure. Anybody here know what happened? Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From engineer@the-spa.com Mon Nov 17 20:29:50 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Mon Nov 17 20:29:14 2003 Subject: Cable FM Reception References: <20031117232206.87734.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c3ad73$7697a5c0$aefa71d1@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:14:18 -0800 "Peter Q. George" > wrote: > How? Easy! FM Cable! > > Back in the 1970's Albany/Schenectady and Troy were > > already wired for cable, for years. One of the > > little > > perks with cable TV was that it came with all-band > > FM > > reception, usually from an non-DA receive antenna > > system located at the "headend". > > Whatever happened to that? Anybody here know > what happened? > > Matt Osborne > Poughkeepsie, NY > Sure do, if your cable system is Adelphia or Comcast, it is because instead of listening to "cost effective" FM on the cable, they would rather have you buy their Digital Music Choice package. Why should they get away with giving people something cost effective that benefits the customer so now instead you have to RENT a clumsy box, PAY for digital cable, and the clear winner here is the cable operators. This was the reason explained to me by unnamed people at Adelphia and Comcast (names withheld to protect my only inside contacts into either :-) ). Chances are that's why so many others did too... --Mike Fitzpatrick. From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Nov 17 22:15:10 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Nov 17 22:15:16 2003 Subject: Cable FM Reception References: <20031117232206.87734.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> <002a01c3ad73$7697a5c0$aefa71d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003801c3ad82$2d0cc070$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fitzpatrick, Mike" To: "Matthew Osborne" ; "Peter Q. George" ; Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Cable FM Reception > Sure do, if your cable system is Adelphia or Comcast, it is because instead > of listening to "cost effective" FM on the cable, they would rather have you > buy their Digital Music Choice package. On my system, Digital Music is free with the Digital Cable package. It also offers much more variety than would be provided by pulling in distant FM signals -- most of which play the same 12 songs that I can hear on the local stations. A friend of mine worked at WWMR in the mid-1980's. Living in Rumford was hell, but the local cable system had a reciever up on a mountain and fed FM radio through their system. The system provided almost every FM signal of any strength from Bangor to southern New Hampshire. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 17 23:41:51 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:43:14 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <3FB81BBE.31435.2A1A1DF@localhost> Message-ID: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> On 17 Nov 2003 at 0:57, Garrett Wollman wrote: > For the benefit of those of us who were not able to partake, can you > explain how the topic of the show wandered that far afield? Going from memory, I think it had something to do with religious programming. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 17 23:41:51 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:43:28 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FB95CBF.2092.7906EB@localhost> On 17 Nov 2003 at 13:49, Dan Strassberg wrote: >(kinda weird because CFRB's skywave service receives severe > interference from WINS, but there are historical reasons related to the > CBC's confiscation--in the early 1940s--of CFRB's former frequency, 860, > and frequency swap of CJBC with CFRB). Huh? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 17 23:41:52 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:43:47 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <200311171707.hAHH7r13077931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: Message-ID: <3FB95CC0.29137.79074F@localhost> On 17 Nov 2003 at 12:07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > No, the server is in Cambridge. I live out in a very noisy part of > Framingham, within sight of the 650/1060/1200 sticks on Mt. Wayte Ave. You can't get WJIB at all? And you don't get in the car and drive somewhere to listen to LTAR? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 17 23:41:52 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:45:40 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: References: <003801c3ad3b$b1c8abe0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FB95CC0.5750.7907AE@localhost> On 17 Nov 2003 at 17:56, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I would think the key would be if you heard a time, and if it was 90 min > ahead or 'on time' would certainly have answered the issue... Oh, that's right! Newfoundland time is 1/2 hour out of phase with most time zones. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 17 23:57:53 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:57:58 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <3FB95CC0.29137.79074F@localhost> References: <200311171707.hAHH7r13077931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3FB95CC0.29137.79074F@localhost> Message-ID: <200311180457.hAI4vrn5082740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > You can't get WJIB at all? And you don't get in the car and drive > somewhere to listen to LTAR? I'm rarely even awake when LTAR is on. Sunday is sleep-in day. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 17 23:59:03 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 17 23:59:23 2003 Subject: CFRB was Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <3FB95CBF.2092.7906EB@localhost> References: <3FB95CBF.2092.7906EB@localhost> Message-ID: <1069131548.1D7442B@r5.dngr.org> Maybe Scott would know, but why didn't CFRB jump at the chance to apply for 740 when it opened up? (Same could be asked why CJAD didn't try to move to 940) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Nov 18 00:11:46 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Nov 18 00:11:54 2003 Subject: Cable FM Reception References: <20031117232206.87734.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> <002a01c3ad73$7697a5c0$aefa71d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000f01c3ad92$788ef0d0$6400a8c0@brianhome> > Sure do, if your cable system is Adelphia or Comcast, it is because instead > of listening to "cost effective" FM on the cable, they would rather have you > buy their Digital Music Choice package. Why should they get away with giving > people something cost effective that benefits the customer so now instead > you have to RENT a clumsy box, PAY for digital cable, and the clear winner > here is the cable operators. This was the reason explained to me by unnamed > people at Adelphia and Comcast (names withheld to protect my only inside > contacts into either :-) ). Chances are that's why so many others did > too... > It was my understanding that it was causing interference with the OTA channels since they were simulcasting it on the same frequency. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 18 00:22:33 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 18 00:23:03 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> References: <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> On 17 Nov 2003 at 23:41, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > For the benefit of those of us who were not able to partake, can you > > explain how the topic of the show wandered that far afield? > > Going from memory, I think it had something to do with religious > programming. And Bob replied to me: Nope.. .It was about ABC cutting out the 4-minute sequence from the movie "Mission To Mars" where that 4 minutes graphically showed how aliens seeded earth and evolution began; which is contrary to the Bible. And similarly, CBS didn't air "The Reagans" which did not make the famous Republican look good. Both together shows how the networks don't want to piss off Bush (and his Bush-league of republicans), when he's the one who can assure that networks can buy more stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 01:28:47 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Nov 18 01:21:07 2003 Subject: water and ground waves in DX Message-ID: > From: wftn@comcast.net > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:27:46 +0000 > To: paul@03038.com > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org, Paul Hopfgarten > Subject: RE: water and ground waves in DX > > Yes, WNTK-AM is now on 1010... they bill themselves as the best > in classic country, bluegrass and folk. Sounds like what some stations call "Americana" format these days. Eli Polonsky From nostaticatall@comcast.net Tue Nov 18 02:20:03 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Tue Nov 18 02:18:38 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> If you want to get technical, they popped up in at least eight books. WAAF regularly shows in the New London CT book. The station appears in the Portsmouth books every now and then, despite WERZ being on 107.1. Most of those WAAF listeners up there were in the southwestern part of the market, where WERZ's signal is weakest. When I was working at WERZ several years back, their sister station WSRI (96.7/Rochester) was flipping format to oldies (now WQSO.) During the stunting that preceded the flip, ARS (who owned the stations at the time) decided to simulcast WAAF on 96.7, since WAAF was also an ARS property back then. The phones at BOTH stations lit up, and listeners were loving the fact that they could "hear AAF clearly" and had a "real rock station" to listen to instead of WHEB. I'm sure they were quite disappointed when the hard rock was replaced by the Beatles and Motown.... Mike Thomas Paul Anderson wrote: > And how sad that WAAF, a station that once alternately took pride in, > and made fun of, Worcester, now ignores their audience outside of > Boston. At one time, they showed up in six books, didn't they? > Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, Springfield,... From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Nov 18 02:41:05 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Nov 18 02:41:19 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1069141269.208095B0@r5.dngr.org> This COL change makes no sense Seriously what is gained by it? I really think the time has long passed to redo the COL rules. It means nothing anymore. 99.5 Lowell, 92.9 Brookline, 105.7 Framingham please..... Didn't 1150 AM simulcast WAAF for a bit 5 or so years ago? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 03:17:24 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 18 03:18:06 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117141144.03acee98@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <20031118081724.43536.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Fybush wrote: > And on further checking, there's not even the > Newfoundland station! > > CKXD Gander NF moved to FM sometime in 2001. So I'm guessing WNTK 1010 is reaching the North Shore! Yeah, Gander, NF did sound a bit too good to be true :) From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 18 07:57:43 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:13:18 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <200311180457.hAI4vrn5082740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <3FB95CC0.29137.79074F@localhost> <200311171707.hAHH7r13077931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3FB95CC0.29137.79074F@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118075452.00a18570@pop3.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > "A. Joseph Ross" said: > > > You can't get WJIB at all? And you don't get in the car and drive > > somewhere to listen to LTAR? > >I'm rarely even awake when LTAR is on. Sunday is sleep-in day. I'll second that. I work in radio stations 40++ hr/wk. The last thing I want to do on a day off is listen to more radio talk. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 18 08:07:09 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 18 08:13:24 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> References: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Both together shows how the networks don't want to piss off Bush (and his >Bush-league of republicans), when he's the one who can assure that >networks can buy more stations. Could it also be that the networks don't want to piss off any more viewers and advertisers than they absolutely have to? Network viewership (and revenues) isn't exactly climbing, my guess is that they don't want to drive away any more. The general mood of the country is much more conservative than it once was. From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 18 09:57:44 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:57:54 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> References: <000701c3ab36$1c319120$7fde8aac@aoldsl.net> <48AF3F4A-1795-11D8-9561-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095351.0237aac8@mail.speakeasy.net> At 02:20 AM 11/18/2003, Nostaticatall wrote: >If you want to get technical, they popped up in at least eight books. WAAF >regularly shows in the New London CT book. The station appears in >the Portsmouth books every now and then, despite WERZ being on 107.1. >Most of those WAAF listeners up there were in the southwestern part of the >market, where WERZ's signal is weakest. >(snip) >Mike Thomas Before and after Z-Rock (WXZR 98.7 East Lyme...now WNLC) the airwaves, WAAF was extremely popular in the New London area thanks to the Navy sub base and all the young sailor wanting to rock on while they were on shore leave. The signal down there is pretty decent, too. However, ever since FNX took over WWRX 103.7 Westerly, RI...WAAF's influence in southeastern CT has dropped to nil. Sad as it is, WWRX rocks better and with a much better signal over that area. I believe that's also why 102.3 Stonington also dropped the hard rock motif, but I'm not sure about the timing there... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 18 10:02:16 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:02:21 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> At 08:07 AM 11/18/2003, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >>Both together shows how the networks don't want to piss off Bush (and his >>Bush-league of republicans), when he's the one who can assure that >>networks can buy more stations. > >Could it also be that the networks don't want to piss off any more viewers >and advertisers than they absolutely have to? Network viewership (and >revenues) isn't exactly climbing, my guess is that they don't want to >drive away any more. The general mood of the country is much more >conservative than it once was. Ehhh...were that the case then how does one explain the high popularity of very "edgy" shows like The Sopranos and Oz? Or Malcolm in the Middle for that matter? I think it's more a classic case of trying to please everyone so you end up pleasing no one. It's a very pervasive attitude in network TV these days. Although the cynic in me does think that networks are indeed pandering to conservative values *a little bit* to curry favor in the hopes of more deregulation. But ultimately I think it's more about trying to be pleasing to as many advertisers as you can and that rarely works well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From aread@speakeasy.net Tue Nov 18 10:05:09 2003 From: aread@speakeasy.net (Aaron Read) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:05:19 2003 Subject: Temporarily departing Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118100420.02440e58@mail.speakeasy.net> Hey folks - I'm swamped at work and need to throttle back my incoming e-mail to cut down on distractions. :-( So I'll see y'all after the holidays! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron "Bishop" Read aread@speakeasy.net FriedBagels Consulting Boston, MA http://www.friedbagels.com From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Tue Nov 18 10:37:52 2003 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:38:02 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> References: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <3FBA3CD0.5020801@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Aaron Read wrote: (Snip) > > Ehhh...were that the case then how does one explain the high > popularity of very "edgy" shows like The Sopranos and Oz? Or Malcolm > in the Middle for that matter? I think it's more a classic case of > trying to please everyone so you end up pleasing no one. It's a very > pervasive attitude in network TV these days. Last time I checked, fans of the the Sopranos and Oz specifically paid for that particular programming by by subscribing to HBO. My guess is that neither one would last very long on "mainstream network TV" for a variety of reasons, including explicit content and sporadic production schedules. My assumption is that the Sopranos is "successful" because the audience is self-selecting and not dependent on advertising dollars to stay in production. Several Italian-American groups have been very vocal in their dismay over the portrayal of Italian-Americans in the Sopranos, a factor which might adversely affect advertising dollars. As for Fox programming, most of their successful comedies have been on the edgy side. And programming edgy comedy is a lot safer than programming an edgy drama. Tony From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Nov 18 10:38:28 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:38:37 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 8:07 AM -0500 11/18/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >The general mood of the country is much more conservative than it once was. According to who? This is what I keep being told by the right-wing media, but I have not heard any independent proof of this. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sven@gordsven.com Tue Nov 18 10:53:16 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:53:24 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <200311180457.hAI4vrn5082740@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I'm rarely even awake when LTAR is on. Sunday is sleep-in day. Y'all forget, Garrett is a computer geek -- that means he works till all hours of the night and uses the weekend to recover. :-) Anyway, Garrett, what you can do (if you're lucky to have an office with a windo or any AM reception) is to get a radio with an auxiliary line-out jack. Bring that and an inexpensive VCR and set 'em up in your office. Program that VCR for the time that LTAR is on and you're set. Come in on Monday and you can listen to the playback. By the way, how come last time I was up there, there was music all day long on WJIB on the weekends? There used to be various ethnic and leased-access shows before. But when I was there in August for the MIT Flea Market, I spent all day listening to WJIB while we drove around Boston and environs taking in the sights. -- Sven From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Tue Nov 18 12:05:11 2003 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Tue Nov 18 12:05:17 2003 Subject: For Jean Shepherd fans Message-ID: <3FBA5147.3060400@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> One of my favorite movies, A Christmas Story, is being re-released on DVD in a Special Edition. I picked up the following if interest to some list members in a review of the set on Digital Bits: ".... Perhaps this special edition's very best extras is a set of original radio show readings done by the late Jean Shepherd. Shepherd, who also served as the film's narrator, has a speaking voice that is as unique as his writing voice. The readings are funny and sweet, and are a fitting tribute to an American original." The full review is at: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/christmasstoryse.html Tony From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 18 12:17:18 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Nov 18 12:12:11 2003 Subject: CFRB In-Reply-To: <200311181553.hAIFrWxO050468@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> At 10:53 AM 11/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Maybe Scott would know, but why didn't CFRB jump at the chance to apply >for 740 when it opened up? (Same could be asked why CJAD didn't try to >move to 940) Excellent question, and one I've not been able to answer to my satisfaction. But here are my best guesses: 1. At the time, both CFRB and CJAD had just completed major improvements to their existing facilities on 1010 and 800. CFRB, as you may recall, worked out a mutual-interference agreement with WINS in the mid-90s that allowed both stations to rebuild their antenna systems to better cover their home markets (at the expense of, well, ME - Rochester is right in the middle of the new interference zone created between the stations). CJAD lost its towers in the 1998 ice storm and spent a lot of money rebuilding and improving them (Garrett and I saw the engineer's book of before-and-after photos when we visited the CJAD site in the summer of 1999.) So I'm guessing that Standard was loath to walk away from those facilities so soon after pouring lots of cash into them. 2. CFRB, as Dan alluded to earlier, holds a marker of sorts with the Canadian government for the eventual use of 860 in Toronto. During the CBC's signal expansion in the forties, the government took the I-A facility on 860 away from CFRB and swapped it with the lesser facility on 1010 that had been the CBC's secondary outlet, CBY. Supposedly, a part of the deal with CFRB gave it the right to return to 860 with 50kw ND-U if the CBC ever stopped using that frequency. Would a CFRB application for 740 void that agreement? Who knows... 3. The CRTC probably wouldn't have given either station the better facility even if they had applied. The motivation at the CRTC was to increase the choices available to local listeners, especially in Toronto, and the promise of standards on 740 and all-news on 940 was undoubtedly more appealing to them than the chance to give already-dominant 'RB and CJAD a slight signal improvement. (Note that Metromedia, which did get 940 and 690 in Montreal, did not simply apply to move its existing CIQC and CKVL over to the new frequencies, an application that would almost surely have been rejected - they proposed the new all-news formats instead, effectively relaunching 940 and 690 as new stations.) 4. And it would have been only a SLIGHT signal improvement in the core of each market. Both 'RB and CJAD do just fine covering their home markets with their existing signals. Adding listeners outside the home market is even less valuable in Canada than in the US, since the BBM doesn't even report listening to out-of-market signals (which makes the Hamilton ratings, for instance, look distinctly odd - you can tell that something like half the market's radio listening is missing, but you can only guess at which Toronto signals it's going to. And yes, Hamilton is a separate radio market from Toronto.) 5. Anyway, AM is going away in Canada - right? At least from the CRTC's perspective, the future of broadcast radio in Canada is the Eureka-147 DAB system (Garrett, you can stop laughing now...) And whatever Eureka's flaws may be, it does provide signal parity across the market. The digital transmitters for CJAD and CFRB get out precisely as well (or as poorly) as the digital transmitters for CHWO and CINW, the eventual winners of 740 and 940. This may even matter, someday. Those are my best guesses... s From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 18 14:12:25 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:06:37 2003 Subject: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031117182338.03aff298@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: I tend to check my e-mail once a day....and my answers to e-mails are "answered" in a previous e-mail that I read subsequently.... Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Scott Fybush > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:24 PM > To: paul@03038.com; Boston Radio Interest > Subject: RE: Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! > > > At 05:56 PM 11/17/2003 -0500, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >I would think the key would be if you heard a time, and if it was 90 min > >ahead or 'on time' would certainly have answered the issue... > > Well, that and Newfoundland having moved to FM two years ago, yes... ;-) > > s > From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 18 14:14:01 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:08:10 2003 Subject: CFRB was Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! In-Reply-To: <1069131548.1D7442B@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: Re: CJAD. I would think with the Sherbrooke simulcast (900 AM...I forget the Calls) that they feel they have Province Queb?c covered. Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:59 PM > To: A. Joseph Ross; Dan Strassberg > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: CFRB was Polkas on 1030, County on 1010...oh my! > > > Maybe Scott would know, but why didn't CFRB jump at the chance to apply > for 740 when it opened up? (Same could be asked why CJAD didn't try to > move to 940) > From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 18 14:19:32 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:13:40 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <1069141269.208095B0@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: Yes they did, and I believe they had some people in the 107.3 trouble spots in Downtown listening to 1150. Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:41 AM > To: Nostaticatall; Paul Anderson > Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest > Subject: Re: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! > > > This COL change makes no sense > Seriously what is gained by it? > > I really think the time has long passed to redo the COL rules. It means > nothing anymore. > > 99.5 Lowell, 92.9 Brookline, 105.7 Framingham please..... > > Didn't 1150 AM simulcast WAAF for a bit 5 or so years ago? From paul@03038.com Tue Nov 18 14:29:16 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:23:53 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll assume, Mr Weil, that you have visited the mid-section of the USA. NOT a bastion of liberal thought. At BEST, the USA is a 50/50 split of what is generally acknoledged as "Conservative" or "Liberal", though rarely is there a 50/50 split in any specific area of the country. I have a theory that Salt Water breeds Liberal thought, as with a few exceptions, the most liberal areas of the USA are cities/states with a saltwater coastline......Just a theory. Hmmm. Saltwater paths good for AM DXing and Liberals....coincidence? Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH 03041 paul@03038.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Larry Weil > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:38 AM > To: SteveOrdinetz; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Today's LTAR > > > At 8:07 AM -0500 11/18/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > > >The general mood of the country is much more conservative than > it once was. > > According to who? This is what I keep being told by the right-wing > media, but I have not heard any independent proof of this. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From sven@gordsven.com Tue Nov 18 14:36:46 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:37:28 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > I'll assume, Mr Weil, that you have visited the mid-section of the USA. NOT > a bastion of liberal thought. At BEST, the USA is a 50/50 split of what is Paul, you've got me mixed up with Steve Ordinetz, I think. :-) From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 18 14:47:21 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 18 14:47:25 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> References: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <58361.216.204.15.170.1069184841.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Aaron Read wrote... > > Ehhh...were that the case then how does one explain the high popularity > of very "edgy" shows like The Sopranos and Oz? Or Malcolm in the > Middle for that matter? I've never heard of Oz or MITM, but if I'm not mistaken, the Sopranos was on a cable-only channel (not sure which one). From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Nov 18 15:05:32 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:05:48 2003 Subject: CFRB In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1069185940.27B33F6C@r5.dngr.org> 860 is a sticky wicket for CBC/SRC I suppose. I can not fathom SRC setting up a FM repeater system in french to cover Ontario but they did blanket Quebec with the english service so who knows. That said I still do not follow the logic of moving the CBC to FM. You would think the government would want to allow a Canadian viewpoint to be heard in the US and that the AM blowtorch signals could cover the holes of the repeater system. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:37pm, Scott Fybush wrote: > Excellent question, and one I've not been able to answer to my > satisfaction. But here are my best guesses: > > 1. At the time, both CFRB and CJAD had just completed major > improvements to their existing facilities on 1010 and 800. CFRB, as you > may recall, worked out a mutual-interference agreement with WINS in the > mid-90s that allowed both stations to rebuild their antenna systems to > better cover their home markets (at the expense of, well, ME - > Rochester is right in the middle of the new interference zone created > between the stations). CJAD lost its towers in the 1998 ice storm and > spent a lot of money rebuilding and improving them (Garrett and I saw > the engineer's book of before-and-after photos when we visited the CJAD > site in the summer of 1999.) So I'm guessing that Standard was loath to > walk away from those facilities so soon after pouring lots of cash into > them. > > 2. CFRB, as Dan alluded to earlier, holds a marker of sorts with the > Canadian government for the eventual use of 860 in Toronto. During the > CBC's signal expansion in the forties, the government took the I-A > facility on 860 away from CFRB and swapped it with the lesser facility > on 1010 that had been the CBC's secondary outlet, CBY. Supposedly, a > part of the deal with CFRB gave it the right to return to 860 with 50kw > ND-U if the CBC ever stopped using that frequency. Would a CFRB > application for 740 void that agreement? Who knows... > > 3. The CRTC probably wouldn't have given either station the better > facility even if they had applied. The motivation at the CRTC was to > increase the choices available to local listeners, especially in > Toronto, and the promise of standards on 740 and all-news on 940 was > undoubtedly more appealing to them than the chance to give > already-dominant 'RB and CJAD a slight signal improvement. (Note that > Metromedia, which did get 940 and 690 in Montreal, did not simply apply > to move its existing CIQC and CKVL over to the new frequencies, an > application that would almost surely have been rejected - they proposed > the new all-news formats instead, effectively relaunching 940 and 690 > as new stations.) > > 4. And it would have been only a SLIGHT signal improvement in the core > of each market. Both 'RB and CJAD do just fine covering their home > markets with their existing signals. Adding listeners outside the home > market is even less valuable in Canada than in the US, since the BBM > doesn't even report listening to out-of-market signals (which makes the > Hamilton ratings, for instance, look distinctly odd - you can tell that > something like half the market's radio listening is missing, but you > can only guess at which Toronto signals it's going to. And yes, > Hamilton is a separate radio market from Toronto.) > > 5. Anyway, AM is going away in Canada - right? At least from the > CRTC's perspective, the future of broadcast radio in Canada is the > Eureka-147 DAB system (Garrett, you can stop laughing now...) > > And whatever Eureka's flaws may be, it does provide signal parity > across the market. The digital transmitters for CJAD and CFRB get out > precisely as well (or as poorly) as the digital transmitters for CHWO > and CINW, the eventual winners of 740 and 940. This may even matter, > someday. > > Those are my best guesses... > > s From scott@fybush.com Tue Nov 18 15:42:51 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Nov 18 15:37:44 2003 Subject: CFRB In-Reply-To: <1069185940.27B33F6C@r5.dngr.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118151319.03b69760@gwind.pair.com> At 12:05 PM 11/18/2003 -0800, Kevin Vahey wrote: >860 is a sticky wicket for CBC/SRC I suppose. I can not fathom SRC setting >up a FM repeater system in french to cover Ontario but they did blanket >Quebec with the english service so who knows. Actually, SRC does have a network of FM repeaters in Ontario! They're on AM in Toronto and Windsor, but it's relayed on FM in places like Kingston, Peterborough, London, Chatham-Kent, Sarnia, and so on. And up in Sudbury, which has a fairly large Francophone population, SRC's CBON originates some local programming and is heard on a network of repeaters across northern Ontario. And it gets even better - the CRTC wants every provincial capital and a certain percentage of each province's population to be able to hear not only CBC Radio 1 and Radio-Canada's premiere chaine - they also want CBC R2 and R-C's chaine culturelle to be available there. So the CBC is building Radio 2 outlets in places like Quebec City and Trois-Rivieres where nobody will be listening, and R-C is expanding CJBC-FM (la chaine culturelle) from Toronto over a relay network that will eventually include London/Paris and other outlying areas. And sure enough, statistically, NOBODY is listening. There are probably a dozen languages, at the very least, with more speakers in southern Ontario than French - but those listeners have to be content with what commercial radio (CHIN's two stations, Fairchild's two Asian-language outlets, CIAO 530) offer them, since the CBC/SRC is mandated to do just English and French. >That said I still do not follow the logic of moving the CBC to FM. You >would think the government would want to allow a Canadian viewpoint to be >heard in the US and that the AM blowtorch signals could cover the holes of >the repeater system. The CBC is sincerely focused solely on its domestic audience. They believe ANY service beyond the borders should come from Radio Canada International, which (though operated by the CBC) comes from the Montreal headquarters instead of from the Toronto English network HQ and is therefore viewed as a completely alien institution by the Toronto bureaucrats. And CBC mgmt believes that they need to reach a younger audience and the way to do that is on FM. Logic has no place in this argument :-) s From markwats@comcast.net Tue Nov 18 16:21:02 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:20:43 2003 Subject: David Brudnoy Sidelined By Radiation Treatments Message-ID: <006801c3ae19$de9dba00$64f88018@ne1.client2.attbi.com> I read in today's Boston Herald that WBZ (1030 Boston) evening talk host David Brudnoy will be off the air for a while, as the radiation treatments he's receiving for his skin cancer have affected his voice, and his throat is also in considerable pain as a result of the treatments. At this time, it's unknown how long Brudnoy will be sidelined, but he has more radiation treatments this week and next, so it probably will be at least another couple of weeks at the earliest. Will WBZ use just one fill-in host for David Brudnoy or will they rotate among the list of guest hosts that was mentioned in recent newspaper articles: Jack Williams, Paul Sullivan, Peter Meade, Jon Keller, Joe Scaccia (sp?). Mark Watson From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Nov 18 19:17:40 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:17:51 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR References: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost><200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002601c3ae32$8b620300$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Today's LTAR > Could it also be that the networks don't want to piss off any more viewers > and advertisers than they absolutely have to? Network viewership (and > revenues) isn't exactly climbing, my guess is that they don't want to drive > away any more. The general mood of the country is much more conservative > than it once was. What happened to the Reagan movie was the same thing that happened to Dr. Laura and Michael Savage. It's not political. Broadcasters dimp shows that become controversial and cost them more viewers and advertisers than they bring in. Just business. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Nov 18 19:18:57 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:19:04 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR References: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost><200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <003201c3ae32$bb458880$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Read" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Today's LTAR > Ehhh...were that the case then how does one explain the high popularity of > very "edgy" shows like The Sopranos and Oz? Pay TV. No advertisers. Or Malcolm in the Middle for > that matter? Not political. Puts down working class people. That's always OK. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Nov 18 19:20:20 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:20:24 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR References: <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost><200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><5.1.0.14.0.20031118080233.00a27510@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <003b01c3ae32$eac988e0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "SteveOrdinetz" ; Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Today's LTAR > According to who? This is what I keep being told by the right-wing > media, but I have not heard any independent proof of this. How about a Republican President, a Republican Congress, and 29 Republican Governors as proof? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Nov 18 19:28:16 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:28:29 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031118192742.02498030@mail.mac.com> At 02:36 PM 11/18/03, Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: >On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > > I'll assume, Mr Weil, that you have visited the mid-section of the USA. NOT > > a bastion of liberal thought. At BEST, the USA is a 50/50 split of what is > >Paul, you've got me mixed up with Steve Ordinetz, I think. :-) No, he's mixing you with me. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Nov 18 19:30:53 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:30:59 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR In-Reply-To: <58361.216.204.15.170.1069184841.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.co m> References: <3FB96649.17761.9E47F3@localhost> <3FB95CBF.4675.79063C@localhost> <200311170557.hAH5vcrJ074534@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <5.2.0.9.0.20031118095828.00ade3c8@mail.speakeasy.net> <58361.216.204.15.170.1069184841.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031118192858.0249dc10@mail.mac.com> At 02:47 PM 11/18/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I've never heard of Oz or MITM, but if I'm not mistaken, the Sopranos was >on a cable-only channel (not sure which one). Both are (were) on HBO (Home Box Office), the most popular premium cable channel. Does anyone have any numbers on HBO viewership? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Nov 18 19:35:03 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:35:10 2003 Subject: CFRB In-Reply-To: <1069185940.27B33F6C@r5.dngr.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118120047.03b03df8@gwind.pair.com> <1069185940.27B33F6C@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031118193201.024a41f0@mail.mac.com> At 03:05 PM 11/18/03, Kevin Vahey wrote: >That said I still do not follow the logic of moving the CBC to FM. You >would think the government would want to allow a Canadian viewpoint to be >heard in the US and that the AM blowtorch signals could cover the holes of >the repeater system. > CBC is a domestic service. The international service, Radio Canada International, is available on shortwave and streaming on the Internet. RCI is what is meant to provide the Canadian viewpoint internationally. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Nov 19 15:39:19 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Nov 19 15:39:26 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119153815.02501db8@mail.mac.com> Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb : http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8862~1776188,00.html -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dwcole@comcast.net Wed Nov 19 19:26:09 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan Cole) Date: Wed Nov 19 19:26:16 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119153815.02501db8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <001001c3aefc$e56837f0$61f29318@HP310n> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb > > Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb : > > http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8862~1776188,00.html > It's too bad the "selectboard" (another stupid politically correct term) doesn't see rfb for what it really is... an illegal pirate operation that deserves to have the FCC come in, smash the equipment, and take the assholes running the place into custody. Dan Cole From sid@wrko.com Wed Nov 19 19:52:09 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Nov 19 19:55:01 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: >>It's too bad the "selectboard" (another stupid politically correct term) doesn't see rfb for what it really is...an illegal pirate operation that deserves to have the FCC come in, smash the equipment, and take the assholes running the place into custody.<< The LPFM applicant in the same area which has publicly stated that they will share their station with the RFB folks is just as stupid, IMO. Are they TRYING to have their application denied? Did they completely ignore Congress' wish that current or former pirates not be involved in the LPFM service? I won't discuss the location of these people's brains, except to say that if they ever get Montezuma's revenge, they'll blow their minds... Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI From sven@gordsven.com Wed Nov 19 21:07:28 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Wed Nov 19 21:07:37 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Sid Schweiger wrote: > The LPFM applicant in the same area which has publicly stated that they > will share their station with the RFB folks is just as stupid, IMO. Not if all they're doing is giving these RFB folks a time-slot to do a show (or shows). FCC can't legislate programming for these stations, can it? Or will RFB become a business partner, of sorts? Can LPFMs carry third-party produced programming? -- Sven From earthradio@getgoin.net Wed Nov 19 21:18:45 2003 From: earthradio@getgoin.net (Luke) Date: Wed Nov 19 21:18:52 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: <001001c3aefc$e56837f0$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: on 11/19/03 6:26 PM, Dan Cole at dwcole@comcast.net wrote: > > It's too bad the "selectboard" (another stupid politically correct term) > doesn't see rfb for what it really is... > an illegal pirate operation that deserves to have the FCC come in, smash > the equipment, and take the assholes running the place into custody. > > > Dan Cole Wow. you'd think these people were actually harming someone. I'd hate to see your reaction to a crime that had an actual victim. Luke Steele From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 23:53:37 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed Nov 19 23:53:45 2003 Subject: make your opinions count with ACNielsen Message-ID: <20031120045337.50032.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> I was curious Did everybody on this list get an email from AC Neilsen Homescan Consumer Panel with the above subject? Looks like Nielsen is now expanding its ratings' services to include rating consumer products. Although, if this email did get out to everybody on this list, I have to crack up laughing a bit considering Nielsen's rules and such for their surveys when it comes to people connected somehow to the broadcast media on a professional level (not that this new service would fall directly into that catergory, but I still can't help but be humored that they would target a group of people like us to market this Matt Osborne POughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From engineer@the-spa.com Thu Nov 20 00:07:30 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Thu Nov 20 00:06:49 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb References: Message-ID: <001401c3af24$33fe67a0$a1a8d3ac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke" > Wow. you'd think these people were actually harming someone. I'd hate to see > your reaction to a crime that had an actual victim. > Hmmm they are getting for free what others are paying a lot of money for, illegally. You think that's fair? It's like someone stealing a car or a digital tv. They are getting for free what you or I work hard to earn and keep. There is a lot of harm in it and I hope the FCC is tough on them for their actions. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 00:30:11 2003 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Thu Nov 20 00:30:15 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031120053011.74582.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> That's interesting since A *very* real rock station WHEB was pulling a 12+ in the ratings back then, actually beating WOKQ. Listeners had a choice of WCYY 94.3 (Biddeford/Portland) or WBCN 104.1 (Boston) if they wanted a choice. Both signals made it into the market (pardon your user name) ... no static at all. Even better with the former Media One FM cable service. An indirect point to add, WHEB actually serves the Portsmouth, Dover, Rochester area ... unlike WAAF, which *thinks* they are a Boston radio station. When did you see WAAF do a food drive in November filling a 53' tractor trailor in ***Worcester*** oh ... I mean Westborough? Roy Lawrence San Francisco, CA A former WHEB alum. --- Nostaticatall wrote: > If you want to get technical, they popped up in at > least eight books. > WAAF regularly shows in the New London CT book. > The station appears in > the Portsmouth books every now and then, despite > WERZ being on 107.1. > Most of those WAAF listeners up there were in the > southwestern part of > the market, where WERZ's signal is weakest. > > When I was working at WERZ several years back, their > sister station WSRI > (96.7/Rochester) was flipping format to oldies (now > WQSO.) During the > stunting that preceded the flip, ARS (who owned the > stations at the > time) decided to simulcast WAAF on 96.7, since WAAF > was also an ARS > property back then. The phones at BOTH stations lit > up, and listeners > were loving the fact that they could "hear AAF > clearly" and had a "real > rock station" to listen to instead of WHEB. I'm > sure they were quite > disappointed when the hard rock was replaced by the > Beatles and Motown.... > > Mike Thomas > > Paul Anderson wrote: > > > And how sad that WAAF, a station that once > alternately took pride in, > > and made fun of, Worcester, now ignores their > audience outside of > > Boston. At one time, they showed up in six books, > didn't they? > > Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, > Springfield,... > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From RogerKola@aol.com Thu Nov 20 01:12:00 2003 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 01:12:14 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/03 12:07:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, engineer@the-spa.com writes: > Hmmm they are getting for free what others are paying a lot of money for, > illegally. You think that's fair? Is it fair that the FCC allows frequencies to go unused in a situation where there is clearly a public mandate to allow LPFM, the licenses for which are being held up by those corporations who "are paying a lot of money" even though it has been shown that, in this situation, no interference has been created by their presence? The crime is that the FCC, as a holder of a "public trust," the airwaves, cannot figure how to allow a low budget operation to continue without incurring the wrath of those people who have paid a lot of money for other frequencies which were free for the taking in the beginning. This is clearly a money issue here, the rest is a smokescreen. Inaction by the FCC on LPFM applications has caused a frustration in the general public which mimics the creation of the lawlessness on 27 MHz and subsequent abandonment of its' enforcement, plus the general disregard for good operating practice in the 802.11, 2.4 GHz band. If all these frequencies are available under Part 15, then the FCC admits local "governing" of the airwaves is legal. As they specify only an accepted power level and not a "range," they leave open the concept of "local" enforcement to that of being subject to interference from other users. The power level then becomes arbitrary. Well, there's a lot off my chest.... Do I hold an FCC License? yes, for the last 40 years Do I follow the rules? yes Do I feel the FCC operates efficiently and in a vacuum? No Roger Kolakowski WA1KAT From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 02:56:23 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 20 02:56:32 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors Message-ID: <20031120075623.12867.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/11/19/national2149EST0867.DTL&type=printable A group led by a former Democratic National Committee advisor has bought the proposed "liberal radio network" from AnShell Media and hope to have it on by early next year. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 03:21:07 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Thu Nov 20 03:25:20 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors Message-ID: <000e01c3af3f$4256efa0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> I keep hearing people keep bashing the fact that we have "too much conservative talkradio" right now. . (Not you Bob, but your post made me think about it.) I grew up listening to virtually all liberals on talkradio. Paul Benzaquin, Jerry Williams (Liberal at the time), Brudnoy (Liberal at the time), Norm Nathan, Guy Manilla, Larry Glick, Peter Meade, Dave Finnigan, I forget some of the old 'EEI Liberals. Locally, we had Lou Marcelle. (Any more?) I just think these things go in cycles. It's not a 'conspiracy'...and I'm not sure you can 'force the issue' by setting up a 'Liberal Radio Network'. JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:56 AM Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/11/19/national2149EST0867.DTL&type=printable > > A group led by a former Democratic National Committee > advisor has bought the proposed "liberal radio > network" from AnShell Media and hope to have it on by > early next year. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 20 08:26:52 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:26:05 2003 Subject: make your opinions count with ACNielsen In-Reply-To: <20031120045337.50032.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120082226.00a8daa0@pop3.bit-net.com> Matthew Osborne wrote: >I was curious > Did everybody on this list get an email from AC >Neilsen Homescan Consumer Panel with the above >subject? Looks like Nielsen is now expanding its >ratings' services to include rating consumer products. Neilsen has been rating things other than television for some time. While I didn't get the email in question, a few years ago I was part of an internet use survey. Essentially there was a background program that tracked all web use. I think I got $50 every 3 months or something like that. Eventually I decided that I didn't want any more spyware in my computer (at least that I was aware of) and removed it. They have periodically bugged me to reconsider. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 20 08:32:43 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:31:47 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <20031120053011.74582.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120082823.00a8a700@pop3.bit-net.com> Roy Lawrence wrote: >That's interesting since A *very* real rock station >WHEB was pulling a 12+ in the ratings back then, >actually beating WOKQ. Listeners had a choice of WCYY >94.3 (Biddeford/Portland) or WBCN 104.1 (Boston) if >they wanted a choice. I don't know the time period Mike Thomas was referring to, but back in the 80s WHEB was fairly wimpy as AORs go, almost more of a rock 40 than a true AOR, certainly not a headbanger like WAAF. As I recall WERZ was beating them rather handily during that period. I'm not an especially big hard rock fan so I'm not familiar with what they're doing today. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 20 08:43:55 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:43:01 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors In-Reply-To: <000e01c3af3f$4256efa0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120083437.00a8f010@pop3.bit-net.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: >I keep hearing people keep bashing the fact that we have "too much >conservative talkradio" right now. . > >I just think these things go in cycles. It's not a 'conspiracy'...and I'm >not sure you can 'force the issue' by setting up a 'Liberal Radio Network'. Right now most commercial talk radio is conservative because that's what seems to work. I'm not sure there is a big demand for liberal talk, but for such a network to succeed they're gonna need hosts who are first and foremost entertainers, not dry squishy idealogues. Liberal hosts seem to either sound shrill and defensive or like naive utopian dreamers...neither of which connects with the public very well. Right now conservatives have the "hot button" issues on their side. I agree with the cycles...the current conservative trend in talk radio started as a reaction to the perception that the media was too liberal. When the general population has its fill of conservatism then maybe liberal talk will become successful, but not until. From radiotony@comcast.net Thu Nov 20 08:55:11 2003 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:55:21 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120083437.00a8f010@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <006e01c3af6d$eac06800$6400a8c0@tony> What I think is hilarious about this is that the guy basically paid for nothing. The network doesn't exist! According to their site, AnShell has no talk hosts, no radio programming, no affiliates, no launch date, essentially, no network. Sure, they have a handful of Democratic activists on the board of directors and there are some press clippings about the couple promoting the creation of the network but there is essentially no network! In the article from the Chicago Tribune, which I posted on my blog, Walsh said the network would be more "centrist" than originally planned. Great, however, we already have that - it's called NPR! Michael Harrison of Talkers magazine was quoted as saying "I've never seen anything that doesn't exist get so much press." Neither have I. The whole thing stinks of a bait and flip, with a whole lot of people out here in radio land waiting for some competition on the airwaves. Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Liberal talk network sold to new investors From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Nov 20 08:58:25 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:58:28 2003 Subject: Court orders requiring the company (Onstar) to help agents intercept conversations taking place in a car equipped with the system. Message-ID: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> Slightly off topic but very scary to think about when you consider where this can go to. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003-11-19-on-board_x.htm Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 20 09:03:39 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 20 09:02:43 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120084514.00a8d4a0@pop3.bit-net.com> RogerKola@aol.com wrote: >Is it fair that the FCC allows frequencies to go unused in a situation where >there is clearly a public mandate to allow LPFM, the licenses for which are >being held up by those corporations who "are paying a lot of money" even >though >it has been shown that, in this situation, no interference has been >created by >their presence? I'm not sure there is "clearly a public mandate" for LPFM. I really doubt that a significant portion of the population is even aware of it, much as I have a hard time believing that there is significant public support for rfb, even in the Peoples Republic of Vermont. Internet message boards don't count. It's easy to blame the big corporations for everything that's wrong with America, but that's a bogus argument too. Everyone claims to hate Walmart too, but their parking lots always seem to be full. Given the difficulty of finding a clerk in one of their stores, I doubt it's all employees. :-/ "Localism" makes for a nice sound bite, but in reality it's meaningless. Even as a kid, I preferred to listen to WBZ or WRKO, even though they were 100 miles away rather than our crappy local station. >This is clearly a money issue here, the rest is a smokescreen. Inaction by >the FCC on LPFM applications has caused a frustration in the general public >which mimics the creation of the lawlessness on 27 MHz and subsequent >abandonment >of its' enforcement, plus the general disregard for good operating >practice in >the 802.11, 2.4 GHz band. Huh?!?! Not sure what you're referring to with the 2.4 gHz band, but CB has been a zoo since the 70s...long before LPFM ever became an issue (or 80-90 for that matter). Breaker breaker good buddy. I think the real problem here is that too many people think that if they don't agree with a law it somehow doesn't apply to them. 30 years ago when Brattleboro had essentially 2 AMs which I'm sure were typical "try to be everything to everybody" small market radio we didn't see this blatant in-your-face piracy. >If all these frequencies are available under Part 15, then the FCC admits >local "governing" of the airwaves is legal. As they specify only an accepted >power level and not a "range," they leave open the concept of "local" >enforcement >to that of being subject to interference from other users. The power level >then becomes arbitrary. Again, huh?!?!? I don't see where the FCC implies that governing of the airwaves is a local, not a federal issue. Part 15 states 100mW power. It's pretty clear. The FCC has jurisdiction here, not the Brattleboro city council. >Do I feel the FCC operates efficiently and in a vacuum? No Does any government agency? Do we really want them to? From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 20 09:13:22 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 20 09:12:25 2003 Subject: Court orders requiring the company (Onstar) to help agents intercept conversations taking place in a car equipped with the system. In-Reply-To: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120090900.00a943e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Brian Vita wrote: >Slightly off topic but very scary to think about when you consider where >this can go to. Are you sure this was Onstar? I thought it was a GM subsidiary (and only available on GM cars), and there was mention of it being installed in a Mercedes. That having been said, there is a lot of "big brother is watching" potential in products like Onstar, Lojack and the like. I'm not sure I'd want to have anything like that in a vehicle I owned (not that it's a big concern anytime soon given the vintage of vehicles I drive :-/) >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003-11-19-on-board_x.htm > >Brian T. Vita, President >Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. >77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 >Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA >+1-978-538-7575 voice >+1-978-538-7550 fax >www.cssinc.com From tommyg62@comcast.net Thu Nov 20 09:38:01 2003 From: tommyg62@comcast.net (Tom Giarrosso) Date: Thu Nov 20 09:38:16 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <20031120053011.74582.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Real Rock stations... have to love it. WERZ always had spotty coverage in the southern part of the state. Funny - I just joined this list because WHEB - I was driving in Methuen, MA and getting a signal overlap from WKKB when listening to 100.3. I guess WKKB might be riding their power a bit high from 4200 watts, if I heard them that clearly inside WHEB's protected signal area. Then again, perhaps they just want to break into WBCN's signal with their Howard Stern Morning show. I bet they aren't too pleased about the power tweaking either. Then again, looking at their web site, I see they're now just lifting WHEB's format, promotions - even the thanksgiving can drive - and it must have been recently by the looks of the site. I'm happy they've taken an interest in helping the community. I just wish they'd put their own stamp on things, instead of raiding a station so close to their market. Funny aside - In the 80's I was an overnight jock at WHEB, wrote the morning show - and coordinated with the writer for WERZ's morning show - for a week, we tried to do the same jokes at the exact same time on the air to see if anyone noticed. Nothing. Eventually, The guy from WERZ came over to work with me at WHEB, and we'd supply comedy to the syndication group WERZ had as part of the Katz group - and had the bits embargoed from their airplay. Man, that pissed off the station manager to no end! Tom Giarrosso Methuen MA -----Original Message----- From: Roy Lawrence [mailto:lawrencemedia@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:30 AM To: Nostaticatall Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! That's interesting since A *very* real rock station WHEB was pulling a 12+ in the ratings back then, actually beating WOKQ. Listeners had a choice of WCYY 94.3 (Biddeford/Portland) or WBCN 104.1 (Boston) if they wanted a choice. Both signals made it into the market (pardon your user name) ... no static at all. Even better with the former Media One FM cable service. An indirect point to add, WHEB actually serves the Portsmouth, Dover, Rochester area ... unlike WAAF, which *thinks* they are a Boston radio station. When did you see WAAF do a food drive in November filling a 53' tractor trailor in ***Worcester*** oh ... I mean Westborough? Roy Lawrence San Francisco, CA A former WHEB alum. --- Nostaticatall wrote: > If you want to get technical, they popped up in at > least eight books. > WAAF regularly shows in the New London CT book. > The station appears in > the Portsmouth books every now and then, despite > WERZ being on 107.1. > Most of those WAAF listeners up there were in the > southwestern part of > the market, where WERZ's signal is weakest. > > When I was working at WERZ several years back, their > sister station WSRI > (96.7/Rochester) was flipping format to oldies (now > WQSO.) During the > stunting that preceded the flip, ARS (who owned the > stations at the > time) decided to simulcast WAAF on 96.7, since WAAF > was also an ARS > property back then. The phones at BOTH stations lit > up, and listeners > were loving the fact that they could "hear AAF > clearly" and had a "real > rock station" to listen to instead of WHEB. I'm > sure they were quite > disappointed when the hard rock was replaced by the > Beatles and Motown.... > > Mike Thomas > > Paul Anderson wrote: > > > And how sad that WAAF, a station that once > alternately took pride in, > > and made fun of, Worcester, now ignores their > audience outside of > > Boston. At one time, they showed up in six books, > didn't they? > > Worcester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, > Springfield,... > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From tommyg62@comcast.net Thu Nov 20 09:48:03 2003 From: tommyg62@comcast.net (Tom Giarrosso) Date: Thu Nov 20 09:48:15 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120082823.00a8a700@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: WERZ was way up there in the early 80's - when I came on in 85', WHEB had a Hit Rock Radio format - I think it was Lee Abrams - with a little tweaking. WERZ had a lighter almost 'KISS' type format - more dance and balads. Then WHEB wend deeper into the new albums (I think they ended up doing 6 cuts deep on Dire Straights 'Brothers in Arms 'lp) I remember a benefit in Portsmouth in the late 80's - WERZ had a table, and tried to jump on the stage I where I was running audio to talk to the crowd with the band PA system. I'm standing at the board wearing my WHEB jacket, and they wondered why the mic was turned off... -----Original Message----- From: SteveOrdinetz [mailto:steveord@bit-net.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:33 AM To: Boston-Radio-Interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! Roy Lawrence wrote: >That's interesting since A *very* real rock station >WHEB was pulling a 12+ in the ratings back then, >actually beating WOKQ. Listeners had a choice of WCYY >94.3 (Biddeford/Portland) or WBCN 104.1 (Boston) if >they wanted a choice. I don't know the time period Mike Thomas was referring to, but back in the 80s WHEB was fairly wimpy as AORs go, almost more of a rock 40 than a true AOR, certainly not a headbanger like WAAF. As I recall WERZ was beating them rather handily during that period. I'm not an especially big hard rock fan so I'm not familiar with what they're doing today. From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Nov 20 10:05:53 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Thu Nov 20 10:04:10 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <3FB9C823.10905@comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20031120082823.00a8a700@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FBCD851.9020204@comcast.net> The time frame I was referring to was 1997-1998, but your accessment of WHEB in the late 80's was pretty much the case in the late 90's as well. Don't get me wrong--WHEB was a servicable mainstream rock station which at that time leaned heavily on the classic rock. During this period, WBCN often pulled in a three or four share, and I remember them placing 4th overall 12+ in Portsmouth a couple of times--not bad for an out of market signal. Sure, some of the numbers were fueled by Howard, but not all of them. WCYY also used to place as well, although they never did as well as WBCN. If you looked at the 12-24 and 18-34 male numbers, those were the demos that sought out a more current intensive rock station. When 96.7 was simulcasting WAAF, the request lines there were forwarded to WERZ after business hours (when I was on the air), and I took a LOT of calls from younger rock listeners. They were reacting positively to having a "kick ass" rock station to listen to, and didn't have to put up with the "dinosaur rock" on WHEB. Roy was right though, WHEB was leading the market (or at least was second to WOKQ,) but with a local 50,000 watt signal, a heritage morning show, and at least fifteen years in the rock format, they should have been. Still, they sounded old, and I don't blame the younger rock listeners back then for wanting a current based station to call their own. Mike Thomas SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I don't know the time period Mike Thomas was referring to, but back in > the 80s WHEB was fairly wimpy as AORs go, almost more of a rock 40 > than a true AOR, certainly not a headbanger like WAAF. As I recall > WERZ was beating them rather handily during that period. I'm not an > especially big hard rock fan so I'm not familiar with what they're > doing today. From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Nov 20 11:03:51 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:03:58 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors In-Reply-To: <000e01c3af3f$4256efa0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <000e01c3af3f$4256efa0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: At 3:21 AM -0500 11/20/03, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > >I grew up listening to virtually all liberals on talkradio. > >Paul Benzaquin, Jerry Williams (Liberal at the time), Brudnoy (Liberal at >the time), Norm Nathan, Guy Manilla, Larry Glick, Peter Meade, Dave >Finnigan, I forget some of the old 'EEI Liberals. Locally, we had Lou >Marcelle. (Any more?) > I notice these are all local people. We are now in the era when many if not most talk shows are national. I wonder if the history is the same national, and if we can go back in the same direction now that the national shows dominate? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Nov 20 11:08:37 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:08:43 2003 Subject: Court orders requiring the company (Onstar) to help agents intercept conversations taking place in a car equipped with the system. In-Reply-To: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: At 8:58 AM -0500 11/20/03, Brian Vita wrote: >Slightly off topic but very scary to think about when you consider where >this can go to. > >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003-11-19-on-board_x.htm > That's why the first line in the article says that the order to "spy" was overturned. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 11:40:33 2003 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:40:37 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120082823.00a8a700@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031120164033.42090.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> My tenure there was 1995-1998. As for ratings, I can't speak for what they did in the 80's, though I seemed to recall they were more pop/AOR if that makes any sense, i.e. Tears For Fears, Ozzy Osbourne, Bob Seger etc. San Francisco, CA Roy Lawrence --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Roy Lawrence wrote: > >That's interesting since A *very* real rock station > >WHEB was pulling a 12+ in the ratings back then, > >actually beating WOKQ. Listeners had a choice of > WCYY > >94.3 (Biddeford/Portland) or WBCN 104.1 (Boston) if > >they wanted a choice. > > I don't know the time period Mike Thomas was > referring to, but back in the > 80s WHEB was fairly wimpy as AORs go, almost more of > a rock 40 than a true > AOR, certainly not a headbanger like WAAF. As I > recall WERZ was beating > them rather handily during that period. I'm not an > especially big hard > rock fan so I'm not familiar with what they're doing > today. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From billo@shoreham.net Thu Nov 20 11:46:12 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu Nov 20 11:46:18 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c3af85$cf3cdf10$9f00a8c0@boneill> I wonder if the history is the > same national, and if we can go back in the same direction now that > the national shows dominate? > Larry Weil It's even more than that. It was here in the Boston area that talk cut its teeth. It was in the spirit of activism, vox populi, and the medium is the message that the phone and the radio merged. It gave the daily press a run for it's money and became the "Extra!" of the moment. Growing up listening to talk in Boston, I didn't sense a definite bias, rather, I sensed that action was needed in discussion, e.g., Jerry, to make radio work. Yes, it was about the issues of the day, but, more importantly, it was about radio in people's lives with relevance. Today, radio has curtsied, backed away towards the door, and gotten in line with new media and supposedly new ideas. Bill O'Neill From petef@sprynet.com Thu Nov 20 12:07:05 2003 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:07:17 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031119153815.02501db8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <000001c3af88$baff4350$0200a8c0@wb2qll> > Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb : There's very little restriction on what motions a selectboard can pass, if it wants, but under the present circumstance it's about as relevant as the board passing a ruling that will free Tibet (which it might have done, too). Judging by the article, the board really didn't give this the traditional prayerful consideration called for. The board is within its rights to support activity not condoned by federal regulation, but has no power to enforce. Whether the board could spend the town's money advocating in court an enterprise such as RFB is probably an open question but I doubt the taxpayers would stand for it, and I'd agree that isn't the role of the selectboard. Again judging by the article, the members of the board seem unsure as to what their role here is. It isn't the role of the selectboard to get involved in any way with RFB - it isn't town business. There is precedent for acknowledging good works, certainly, and the more prudent approach would have been for the board to pass a resolution honoring RFB and its benefit to the town by providing alternative voices and free expression, etc., and let it go at that. Just as the board might salute a feed store that was generous with contributions, employing people, and providing wonderful service, but the store's federal OSHA violations are really beyond the scope of the selectboard. I've no idea why the RFB people claim they 'need' the support of the board - and I've heard Bloch being interviewed - perhaps they will claim broadcasting should be licensed by acclamation. I think their strategy can only be to drag this out as much as possible, and then claim the whole licensing process is unconstitutional or contrary to congressional mandate, and thus the FCC rules are unenforceable. Many years and many millions later they might actually achieve something. Claiming the process is tilted toward large corporations is silly - all licensing processes, power companies, trucking companies, whatever - are set up in favor of large corporations. By dragging it out and proving community support the chances someone will come up with a compromise increase, and if that compromise fudges the regulations it will be obvious the aggrieved party in that case has more to lose by continuing to object than accepting it. -Pete Enfield, NH From hmadjid@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 12:21:54 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:22:07 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: <20031120172154.51443.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Steve Ordinetz writes: > It's easy to blame the big corporations for >everything that's wrong with America, but that's a >bogus argument too. Everyone claims to hate Walmart >too, but their parking lots always seem to be full. >Given the difficulty of finding a clerk in one of >their stores, Americans love a good bargian, that's why the crowded parking lots at Wal-Marts. However there is another side to this. As an article in the current issue of Fast Company points out, several of Wal-Mart's suppliers have been forced out of business, have had to declare bankrupcy, and / or move production off shore, because they couldn't survive on the slim margins that Wal-Mart demanded. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From sven@gordsven.com Thu Nov 20 12:44:45 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:44:50 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: <20031120172154.51443.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Hakim Madjid wrote: > Americans love a good bargian, that's why the crowded > parking lots at Wal-Marts. If you live in a decent big city with lots of close-out and variety stores (dollar stores, etc) you quickly find out that Walmart is not the bargain it claims to be. Walmart does best in places where it's the only game in town. -- Sven From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 12:46:16 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Thu Nov 20 12:51:19 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors References: <000e01c3af3f$4256efa0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <00a501c3af8e$4f752540$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > At 3:21 AM -0500 11/20/03, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > > > >I grew up listening to virtually all liberals on talkradio. > > > >Paul Benzaquin, Jerry Williams (Liberal at the time), Brudnoy (Liberal at > >the time), Norm Nathan, Guy Manilla, Larry Glick, Peter Meade, Dave > >Finnigan, I forget some of the old 'EEI Liberals. Locally, we had Lou > >Marcelle. (Any more?) > > > > I notice these are all local people. > We did have Larry King (the radio version), too. A national show with a liberal. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 13:21:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 20 13:21:57 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors In-Reply-To: <000301c3af85$cf3cdf10$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <20031120182150.96211.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill O'Neill wrote: > It's even more than that. It was here in the Boston > area that talk cut its > teeth. It was in the spirit of activism, vox > populi, and the medium is the > message that the phone and the radio merged. The late Jerry Williams got his audience involved in the fight against the New Braintree prison, tax increases, Congressional pay hikes, "the Big Dig", etc. He was assisted by the likes of Ralph Nader, Barbara Anderson, and a certain Herald columnist who later wound up with Jerry's time slot (but does not do the same "activist" radio), Howie Carr. (You don't hear Howie giving out phone numbers of politicians' offices, organizing rallies, etc.) That still may be seen today, though, in that talk radio can put pressure on everything from the media (with the CBS "Reagans" movie) to politics (though often it's more like "you can change things with your vote" than "change things with phone calls and e-mails", etc. There isn't the active push from the talk host, though; instead, callers offer their own opinions and sometimes people will take action based on what the callers have to say. Jerry called himself a classic liberal, IIRC, and also a populist. Liberals of the past (like in JFK's time) may have felt differently about military strength and taxes than those of the current times do (though I know Jerry wasn't exactly a rubber stamp for the Vietnam War). (I understand there was a time when it was the Republicans who supported higher taxes, and the Democrats went for leaner government and less intrusion in our lives.) From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 15:44:27 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Thu Nov 20 15:51:00 2003 Subject: Talk show host's sound bites are brewing in Lowell Message-ID: <003b01c3afa7$6d213d40$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Lowell Sun has a write-up today about Jay Severin. Thought you might be interested. http://www.lowellsun.com/cda/article/print/0,1674,105%257E4761%257E1779832,00.html From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Nov 20 21:15:22 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:15:29 2003 Subject: Court orders requiring the company (Onstar) to help agents intercept conversations taking place in a car equipped with the system. In-Reply-To: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> References: <000201c3af6e$5e6d4a70$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <200311210215.hAL2FMsB003819@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Slightly off topic but very scary to think about when you consider where > this can go to. I think it's a bit more than slightly off-topic. Would probably make a good hour on the Brudnoy show, though. -GAWollman From n1qgs@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 22:18:58 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Thu Nov 20 22:19:14 2003 Subject: Bedford NH Marconi Museum faces eviciton ?? Message-ID: <20031121031858.62242.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> I am forwarding this e-mail this group should find of interest. John East Derry NH >From Al Shuman, N1FIK New Hampshire ARRL Section Manager 18 November 2003 ATT: All Stations I just got off the phone with Ray Minchello, W1BC, founder and curator of the Marconi Museum in Bedford NH. It seems that certain members of the recently seated town council have seen fit to "issue" an eviction notice in an attempt to break the museum's fifteen year lease. Ray and company has sunk more than 100 thousand dollars into the project to bring the building up to code and to provide a pleasant environment for it's patrons. The town only sprung this on the museum only a few days ago and it is rumored that the town's interest revolves around the fact that this property is now marketable as office space. Ray is soliciting our help by asking as many hams as possible to attend this meeting. Ray is sincerely sorry for the short notice but was left with little alternative. The town has scheduled a hearing on this matter tomorrow night November 19th at the town's local TV station in Bedford center. Anyone who is concerned that this amazing museum with its rich radio history may be forced to close is urged to attend tomorrow's night's meeting The meeting will be held at the BCTV studios at 7:00 pm near the old fire station and across from the public library. Ray is attempting to arrange for a talk-in on 146.52 for those who are not familiar with the area. If you are coming and know the area please monitor 52 in the event that Ray is not successful in setting up the talk-in. For more information see http://www.marconiusa.org/ or contact Ray at raymin@marconiusa.org Please excuse the fact that you may receive multiple copies of this message. I am sending this to numerous lists in an effort to get maximum exposure. I hope to see you there. 73 Al, N1FIK __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Nov 20 22:33:56 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Nov 20 22:34:16 2003 Subject: You know you getting old when Message-ID: <1069385639.3495ED5B@s5.dngr.org> Little Walter signs with WXKS AM Well it was the music of my life http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2003/11/20/oldies_dj_spins_back_to_boston/ From RogerKola@aol.com Thu Nov 20 22:36:45 2003 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 20 22:36:58 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: <6b.1d0c16ad.2ceee24d@aol.com> In a message dated 11/20/03 9:03:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, steveord@bit-net.com writes: > Again, huh?!?!? I don't see where the FCC implies that governing of the > airwaves is a local, not a federal issue. Part 15 states 100mW > power. It's pretty clear. The FCC has jurisdiction here, not the > Brattleboro city council. To make my point clearer, without rambling on, the lack of FCC decision making in all of the cases, including LPFM, has created chaos in all of the mentioned services under its' jurisdiction... As for Part 15...if you only control the measured power and not the ERP, you leave a situation where a properly located 100mw transmitter with an appropriately designed antenna system on a tower or mountaintop has the same range as a 10w station in a less desirable location with a less efficient antenna system....this would mean that the FCC does not care to regulate "coverage" areas but leaves that to the "susceptible to interference" rule. As Part 15 has no "bite" as to interference, my point is that local authorities or judicial system would come into effect as the remediators for any "on channel" interference complaints in the Broadcast Bands. If the local authorities become mediators...do they have authority? Roger WA1KAT The question becomes.... From engineer@the-spa.com Fri Nov 21 00:43:05 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Fri Nov 21 00:42:22 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: Message-ID: <005c01c3aff2$5661c3e0$53fa71d1@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Giarrosso" Subject: RE: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! > Real Rock stations... have to love it. > > WERZ always had spotty coverage in the southern part of the state. Funny - I > just joined this list because WHEB - I was driving in Methuen, MA and > getting a signal overlap from WKKB when listening to 100.3. I guess WKKB > might be riding their power a bit high from 4200 watts, if I heard them that > clearly inside WHEB's protected signal area. Then again, perhaps they just > want to break into WBCN's signal with their Howard Stern Morning show. I bet > they aren't too pleased about the power tweaking either. I have to say this is one of the biggest mis-conceptions that people have. Just because a station has a certain power and may seem lower than you'd expect, doesn't mean the signal is going to be limited to that of others. I will almost guarentee you that WKKB is running at it's legal power and not "tweaking" it up in any way. I know and am good friends with several radio engineers and not one of them is in the buisness of powering up the station to make it illegal. You assume that automatically because you can hear them up in Methuen that they are transmitting at rediculously high power, higher than their license. Their antenna is in an excellent location (3/4 of the way up the WLNE-TV tower in Tiverton, RI), and the signal just is clear right up the valley. Before any wrong allegations are made against WKKB or the engineering staff at Citadel, may I suggest contacting them about it. --Mike Fitzpatrick (not affiliated with Citadel in any way). From lawyer@attorneyross.com Fri Nov 21 01:31:15 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri Nov 21 01:31:48 2003 Subject: Liberal talk network sold to new investors In-Reply-To: <20031120075623.12867.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FBD6AE3.25350.720745@localhost> On 19 Nov 2003 at 23:56, Bob Nelson wrote: > A group led by a former Democratic National Committee > advisor has bought the proposed "liberal radio > network" from AnShell Media and hope to have it on by > early next year. I hope they'll have a better name for it than that. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From tommyg62@comcast.net Fri Nov 21 09:31:08 2003 From: tommyg62@comcast.net (Tom Giarrosso) Date: Fri Nov 21 09:31:22 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: <005c01c3aff2$5661c3e0$53fa71d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: You are correct that either they might not realize the signal is coming into the protected area, and my bias towards the marketing end of the station after seeing their website could be clouding my judgment. Most of the engineering folks I've known over the years have been very conscientious when it comes to meter readings and FCC compliance. It's management that usually decide - 'let's run ay 105%, since that's in the tolerance levels - then it's 'maybe we can put it up to 110% and no one will notice while the book is out'. It is noticeable on the fringes, but unless someone actually goes out and does the meter readings, you can't tell for sure. And how often does a station go out and survey their signal, unless it's renewal time. The FCC rarely does more than a letter and a wrist slap if they do find any issues - they're much more concerned with other areas that this. It could just be a weather condition - or buildings blocking the WHEB signals but the path was clear from the south - but I found it odd that it happened 2 days in a row for the first time in a year on my regular morning drive. Before that, I didn't know that WKKB existed. I don't think that if they're running a little hot, they're doing it to annoy WHEB. With Howard on in the morning, I'm sure they just want to get the largest clear signal possible to increase listeners - but I'd be curious if they're grabbing Howard's market share from WBCN in the places they overlap signals. Is running a little hot illegal? As much as speeding on a highway is illegal - you can get a ticket for going 66 - but it's usually ignored unless it's higher. It's a minor infraction - but just something I noticed. I'm sure they haven't doubled their wattage, but they probably are pushing the envelope a little as far as power if I'm getting the signal now when previously I hadn't. I've sent a copy of this thread to WKKB, so they can say what's up and if there are signal issues. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Fitzpatrick, Mike [mailto:engineer@the-spa.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:43 AM To: Tom Giarrosso Cc: Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Giarrosso" Subject: RE: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! > Real Rock stations... have to love it. > > WERZ always had spotty coverage in the southern part of the state. Funny - I > just joined this list because WHEB - I was driving in Methuen, MA and > getting a signal overlap from WKKB when listening to 100.3. I guess WKKB > might be riding their power a bit high from 4200 watts, if I heard them that > clearly inside WHEB's protected signal area. Then again, perhaps they just > want to break into WBCN's signal with their Howard Stern Morning show. I bet > they aren't too pleased about the power tweaking either. I have to say this is one of the biggest mis-conceptions that people have. Just because a station has a certain power and may seem lower than you'd expect, doesn't mean the signal is going to be limited to that of others. I will almost guarentee you that WKKB is running at it's legal power and not "tweaking" it up in any way. I know and am good friends with several radio engineers and not one of them is in the buisness of powering up the station to make it illegal. You assume that automatically because you can hear them up in Methuen that they are transmitting at rediculously high power, higher than their license. Their antenna is in an excellent location (3/4 of the way up the WLNE-TV tower in Tiverton, RI), and the signal just is clear right up the valley. Before any wrong allegations are made against WKKB or the engineering staff at Citadel, may I suggest contacting them about it. --Mike Fitzpatrick (not affiliated with Citadel in any way). From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 09:45:16 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 09:45:22 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c3b03e$14ae3d10$9f00a8c0@boneill> Tom Giarrosso writes: It's > management that > usually decide - 'let's run ay 105%, since that's in the > tolerance levels - > then it's 'maybe we can put it up to 110% and no one will > notice while the > book is out'. As cynical as I am these days, I still have a difficult time believing that engineers privy to "management" even so much as putting their paws even near the rack wouldn't intervene. The chief operator still has his/her license riding on good faith efforts to remain within normal limits, tolerances and standards. Even with deregulation and techs with beepers covering dozens of signals, some things have to have remained intact. ....Right? Bill O'Neill From sven@gordsven.com Fri Nov 21 09:46:02 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Nov 21 09:46:11 2003 Subject: You know you getting old when In-Reply-To: <1069385639.3495ED5B@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Little Walter signs with WXKS AM > > Well it was the music of my life I guess I'll join the ranks of the "turn that garbage down!" crowd. :-) (last weekend me yelling at my 16 yo brother to turn down the heavy metal music he was listening to through his cans).... And I'm 28!!!! According to the marketeers out there, I should be enjoying "System of a (Let) Down" and company... -- Sven From pete@partnercomm.com Fri Nov 21 10:09:49 2003 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Fri Nov 21 10:09:55 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb In-Reply-To: <6b.1d0c16ad.2ceee24d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 RogerKola@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/20/03 9:03:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > steveord@bit-net.com writes: > > > Again, huh?!?!? I don't see where the FCC implies that governing of the > > airwaves is a local, not a federal issue. Part 15 states 100mW > > power. It's pretty clear. The FCC has jurisdiction here, not the > > Brattleboro city council. [snip] > As for Part 15...if you only control the measured power and not the ERP, you > leave a situation where a properly located 100mw transmitter with an > appropriately designed antenna system on a tower or mountaintop has the same range as a > 10w station in a less desirable location with a less efficient antenna > system....this would mean that the FCC does not care to regulate "coverage" areas > but leaves that to the "susceptible to interference" rule. I'm not sure where this misinformation came from, but Part 15 doesn't state anything about 100mw on FM, to my memory. Field strength limits exist for all frequencies, save for those under 9KHz. There are other details... Take a look at Part 15 of Chapter 1 of Title 47. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/47cfr15_02.html Some relevant parts are listed below: Sec. 15.209 Radiated emission limits; general requirements. Sec. 15.219 Operation in the band 510-1705 kHz. Sec. 15.239 Operation in the band 88-108 MHz. -Peter Murray (N3IXY) Pittsburgh, PA From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 21 11:03:57 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 21 11:04:10 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: >>Part 15 doesn't state anything about 100mw on FM, to my memory. Field strength limits exist for all frequencies, save for those under 9KHz.<< The FM limit is 250 uV/m at 3 meters. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Nov 21 13:31:22 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri Nov 21 13:32:29 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> On another list, we were asked where we were when Kennedy was shot, and this was my reply: I was at Roslindale High School, where I was doing what I normally did-- trying to listen to the radio whenever my classes got too boring. Even then, I loved radio and got into trouble more than once for sneaking in my transistor to listen to sports (I loved baseball) or listen to the top 40 stations. I hid the little earpiece and hoped nobody would notice, but alas, they sometimes did, which is another story for another time. I was not listening at the moment when Kennedy was shot, but I did have my radio with me-- something I had been told not to do by the principal, so when he poked his head into my civics class, and called my name, I figured I was in trouble again. His name was Dr O'Leary (I never figured out what he was a doctor of...) and he said "Donna, do you have your radio with you?" Figuring I was about to get suspended, I said I didn't. He said, "I just got a phone call that the president may have been shot and I need somebody with a radio." Once I realised I wasn't in trouble, I admitted I did have it with me and took it out. I don't recall what station I listened to (my guess is WHDH, which is what my parents listened to), but I do recall that I was the one who confirmed for everyone the terrible news that yes, it was no rumour; the president really had been shot. And so much changed for all of us after that. From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 14:35:55 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 14:36:01 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000501c3b066$af050380$9f00a8c0@boneill> Donna writes: > On another list, we were asked where we were when Kennedy was > shot, and > this was my reply: > > I was at Roslindale High School, where I was doing what I > normally did-- > trying to listen to the radio whenever my classes got too > boring. I was not quite wee 3 years old when JFK was killed, so I have no recollection, whatsoever. What I do have, however, is how this day's anniversary impacted on my parents and grandparents through the mid and late 60s. It was not an uncommon sight to see a framed photo of JFK in someone's living room or hall, at that time. It was as if there was an effort to keep alive his memory at a time when the world was getting any friendlier or safer. When RFK was shot, it became a double-hit to the senses and emotions: JFK revisited, the hope of RFK snuffed, and the, at the very least, regional impact by the assault on the Kennedy machine. Bill O'Neill From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 21 15:31:30 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 21 15:31:52 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: As long as we're all sharing... I was 12 years old, almost 13. In a month I would be bar-mitzvahed...not the time in one's life when one wants to suffer such a serious blow to adolescent optimism. We began to hear rumors in school, but when you're that age, you almost automatically dismiss something so inconceivable. (The last assassination was in 1901, and there had been attempts on FDR and Truman.) We went back to homeroom before dismissal, and our homeroom teacher, a 20-something woman doing her first teaching assignment, was in tears and couldn't speak...but the tears caused some of us to connect the dots, so to speak. I rode my bike home. The streets of Stoneham were never so quiet. My mother was almost inconsolable, and I had to watch Walter Cronkite for a few minutes to find out that it really was a bad dream come to life. I missed Walter's announcement of Kennedy's death, when he momentarily choked up, but I've seen it plenty of times since. My late grandmother told me a few months later that she could never again look at a picture of JFK without feeling as if she had been punched in the stomach. God, how innocent we were back then...until that weekend... Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sven@gordsven.com Fri Nov 21 15:51:48 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Nov 21 15:51:52 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Sid Schweiger wrote: > God, how innocent we were back then...until that weekend... I never understood this. Would someone care to explain what people mean by "innocent" and "the world changed", etc. Maybe because I wasn't alive back then....and if this happened now, I would probably be a bit shocked but wouldn't be walking around in a daze for days wondering what the hell happened. Didn't happen on the day the World Trade Center fell down....and that was worse. Am I a callous bastard for even thinking this? -- Sven From news@southstation.org Fri Nov 21 16:12:33 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:12:43 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: I was in third grade, and school was being dismissed to the busses that day at Pinecrest School in Bellingham, Mass. The announcement came over the PA system while we were queued for the bus. Some of the nearby teachers burst into tears, but most of us as kids didn't really understand what the impact of it all was. Sid, had my father not remarried so soon, I would have been at the North School in Stoneham for third grade. -Larry Lovering www.southstation.org From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 16:24:08 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:24:13 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c3b075$cce6dd10$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Didn't happen on the day the World Trade Center fell > down....and that was > worse. > > Am I a callous bastard for even thinking this? > > -- > Sven Not IMO. However, as big events like JFK & 911 hit us, we do become more calloused to the inevitable next event. How the media blasts us and over-stimulates us, collectively, has a numbing impact. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 16:27:39 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:30:31 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1069450214.328B0259@s5.dngr.org> Freshman at the former Cambridge Latin. A little after 2 PM as we gather in home room for dismissal, the principal would make his weekly announcements. I remember he started to say "President Kennedy..." and my mind finished his sentence "will be in Cambridge this weekend". Only a month before at a Harvard football game had I actually shaken hands with the President, and for some reason that day I took a camera and got his picture. After the announcement we went to our lockers and the kid next to me was laughing "What's Lyndon doing?" which was a punch line in the popular First Family album that was out at the time. (An album that Ken Meyer would never play again on WBOS) Racing home, I remember hearing the National Anthem coming out of a window, and I knew he was dead. Then spent the next 4 days in front of the TV like everyone else. I remember my Mother calling Jerry Williams that night and crying, and she was never a caller. Little did we know that it would take 4 guys from Liverpool 2 months later to snap America out of its funk. It just can't be 40 years... On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 1:58pm, Donna Halper wrote: > On another list, we were asked where we were when Kennedy was shot, and > this was my reply: > > I was at Roslindale High School, where I was doing what I normally > did-- trying to listen to the radio whenever my classes got too > boring. Even then, I loved radio and got into trouble more than once > for sneaking in my transistor to listen to sports (I loved baseball) or > listen to the top 40 stations. I hid the little earpiece and hoped > nobody would notice, but alas, they sometimes did, which is another > story for another time. I was not listening at the moment when > Kennedy was shot, but I did have my radio with me-- something I had > been told not to do by the principal, so when he poked his head into > my civics class, and called my name, I figured I was in trouble again. > His name was Dr O'Leary (I never figured out what he was a doctor > of...) and he said "Donna, do you have your radio with you?" Figuring > I was about to get suspended, I said I didn't. He said, "I just got a > phone call that the president may have been shot and I need somebody > with a radio." Once I realised I wasn't in trouble, I admitted I did > have it with me and took it out. I don't recall what station I > listened to (my guess is WHDH, which is what my parents listened to), > but I do recall that I was the one who confirmed for everyone the > terrible news that yes, it was no rumour; the president really had been > shot. And so much changed for all of us after that. http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Nov 21 16:36:10 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:36:35 2003 Subject: GREAT Boston radio trivia question Message-ID: <001901c3b077$80f14c40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> What AM station in another US city has contributed two different sets of call letters to two different Boston AM stations? I expect Scott Fybush to know the answer, but if someone beats Scott to the punch, that person would win a prize--if I had any prizes to hand out. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Nov 21 16:47:59 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Nov 21 16:48:01 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <001501c3b075$cce6dd10$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <001501c3b075$cce6dd10$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <200311212147.hALLlxpH009365@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Not IMO. However, as big events like JFK & 911 hit us, we do become more > calloused to the inevitable next event. How the media blasts us and > over-stimulates us, collectively, has a numbing impact. Followups off-list, please.... It's a natural human tendency (demonstrated by numerous psychological studies that Aaron probably studied in school) to overestimate the probability of very unlikely events and to understimate the probability of much more probably outcomes. Hence, we are shocked and dismayed when a one-in-a-hundred event happens (like both of the space shuttle disasters), but excited over the prospect of winning that one-in-fifty-million mega-lottery prize. -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Nov 21 17:05:38 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:05:40 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63072.216.204.15.170.1069452338.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Sven Franklin Weil wrote: > >> God, how innocent we were back then...until that weekend... > > I never understood this. > > Would someone care to explain what people mean by "innocent" and "the > world changed", etc. > > Maybe because I wasn't alive back then....and if this happened now, I > would probably be a bit shocked but wouldn't be walking around in a daze > for days wondering what the hell happened. > > Didn't happen on the day the World Trade Center fell down....and that > was worse. > > Am I a callous bastard for even thinking this? I was in the 8th grade when JFK was shot. While I was vaguely aware that I'd just witnessed history being made I don't recall it overly affecting me either. Maybe I'm callous too, but what I recall most was annoyance that every radio station suspended regular programming for either talk or somber music until the funeral was over. I was at an age where I was really into the hits, and just wanted something "decent" on the radio again. From sid@wrko.com Fri Nov 21 17:10:10 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:11:15 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: >>Would someone care to explain what people mean by "innocent" and "the world changed", etc.<< 1) Many of us were children or teens at the time, and children and teens simply don't think in those terms...at least, not back then. We had not gone through the upheavels on the 1960's and beyond: the subsequent assassinations of RFK and MLK, the anti-war protests, Watergate, Iran-Contra, terrorism, 9/11, etc. The world was a much more innocent place. We knew who our enemies were, as well as our friends. Children didn't have to grow up so quickly. 2) JFK was young and energetic (at least in public...we now know that he had serious problems with chronic pain), and to have such a vigorous young man cut down like he was, shattered many illusions we had about America and the Presidency...for example, the principle (now firmly entrenched, thanks to that day in Dallas) that an American President cannot ride down the main streets of an American city without being the target of gunfire. No American President since Kennedy has attempted to do so, and even if one wanted to, the Secret Service would veto it immediately. You may be used to not seeing that, because that's all you've known, but we saw that all the time before 11/22. No, you're not a callous bastard...but since you didn't live in those years, I wouldn't expect you to fully understand what a different place the world was back then...just as your children will find it difficult to understand the era of your youth too. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sven@gordsven.com Fri Nov 21 17:14:49 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:14:54 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <63072.216.204.15.170.1069452338.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I was in the 8th grade when JFK was shot. While I was vaguely aware that > I'd just witnessed history being made I don't recall it overly affecting > me either. True...but then again you were a teenager in 8th grade. I was what...27? Full fledged adult.... Weird... Anyway... we now end this psychological drama and return you to regular radio talk. :-) :-) -- Sven (stiff upper lip) Weil From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Nov 21 17:35:43 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:36:47 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121173227.02254ec8@pop.registeredsite.com> it was asked >Would someone care to explain what people mean by "innocent" and "the >world changed", etc. I am the one who said the world changed. What I meant was that for me, the world first changed the "day the music died", when the Big Bopper and Buddy Holly and Richie Valens were killed. And it changed again when JFK was assassinated. I was just a kid and kids don't think much about death-- and when they do think about it, it's usually because an elderly person passed away. But these people were all young, and they were people that many of us admired or identified with. That's what I meant. From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Nov 21 17:46:49 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:47:06 2003 Subject: Fwd: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:31:22 >From: Donna Halper >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >On another list, we were asked where we were when >Kennedy was shot... I was newly arrived at McCord AFB outside of Tacoma, WA, and I had previously arranged to have the Globe mailed to the Air Base's Post Office (MAFB was a small city and its post office was almost as big as a the one in nearby Olympia.) Thus, every morning at about ten o'clock PST, I would go the pick up my (several days old) Globe. I could not then, as now, travel even a short distance without flipping on the radio. It was AM-only, so I was tuned to KXA-AM 770 just as the bulletin came over the teletype. When I returned to my office at the flight line, no one had received word yet, even through the Air Defense Command sources. I had to insist that the radio said so before some people believed it, then in a matter of minutes the base went on high alert. McCord had a state-of-the-art (then) facility called the SAGE building (semi-automatic ground environment ?) and the chances are that the 2-star General in charge was whisked there immediately. One of my best buddies was Officer-of- the-Day...he didn't get much sleep, but then again, neither did the rest of us. Now 40 years later, I happened to sample Michael Medved's show on WTTT-AM 1150, out of AM 770 in Seattle which is now KTTH. HOW COULD THEY GIVE UP THOSE HERITAGE 3-LETTER CALLS! Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Fri Nov 21 17:49:40 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (hopfgapr@sprynet.com) Date: Fri Nov 21 17:49:48 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: <1390220.1069454980965.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> I was just 2 weeks shy of my 6th birthday, and had come home from school (1st Grade) when the man I appaerntly called "John F The Kennedy" was shot. By the time I got home, which was around 3:30 ET , it was already "wall-to-wall" coverage on the 3 networks. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: Bill O'Neill Sent: Nov 21, 2003 2:35 PM To: 'Donna Halper' , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Donna writes: > On another list, we were asked where we were when Kennedy was > shot, and > this was my reply: > > I was at Roslindale High School, where I was doing what I > normally did-- > trying to listen to the radio whenever my classes got too > boring. I was not quite wee 3 years old when JFK was killed, so I have no recollection, whatsoever. What I do have, however, is how this day's anniversary impacted on my parents and grandparents through the mid and late 60s. It was not an uncommon sight to see a framed photo of JFK in someone's living room or hall, at that time. It was as if there was an effort to keep alive his memory at a time when the world was getting any friendlier or safer. When RFK was shot, it became a double-hit to the senses and emotions: JFK revisited, the hope of RFK snuffed, and the, at the very least, regional impact by the assault on the Kennedy machine. Bill O'Neill From sps199@psu.edu Fri Nov 21 18:01:24 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:01:29 2003 Subject: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) Message-ID: <001601c3b083$638f35c0$33434742@Sean> As a side note, it's not nice sharing a birthday with the date of America's most infamous assassination (I was born on the 15th anniversary of JFK's death). I wonder if any stations will devote special programming to the 40th anniversary of the president's death. I vaguely recall stations (especially Channel 4) running a number of specials on the 25th anniversary; I'm thinking there won't be much happening on the 40th since it's a "non-traditional" anniversary. I would expect many stations will do something for the 50th anniversary. From sven@gordsven.com Fri Nov 21 18:18:44 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:21:05 2003 Subject: KXA-AM 77 now KTTH was (Fwd: Where I Was 40 Years Ago) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Laurence Glavin wrote: > Now 40 years later, I happened to sample > Michael Medved's show on WTTT-AM 1150, out of AM 770 > in Seattle which is now KTTH. HOW COULD THEY GIVE UP THOSE > HERITAGE 3-LETTER CALLS! The programming is a trip and a half...not to mention the links on the website to all sorts of Conservative & one Christian organizations.... Yikes... Wonder how long that "You Deserve the TRUTH" that KTTH uses has been around. Wonder if that was part of the reason for the call sign change? http://www.ktth.com -- Sven From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Nov 21 18:41:50 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:41:54 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? Message-ID: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> If my eyes were not deceiving me yesterday evening (and they could have been after all the drugs they gave me while getting a difficult molar extracted), WLVI was promoting their coverage of THE Game live tomorrow from New Haven in HD. Would this be the first local sports program to be produced in HD? Will all five people with OTA HD receivers be tuned to it? (So far as I know, Comcast doesn't include WLVI-DT in their digital lineup.) -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 18:40:49 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:42:33 2003 Subject: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) In-Reply-To: <001601c3b083$638f35c0$33434742@Sean> References: <001601c3b083$638f35c0$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <1069458143.D4B9CDF@w5.dngr.org> WBZ AM had by luck of the draw one of the pool reporters in Dallas who was Sid Davis (who was working for Westinghouse) so his reports were tailored for the Group W o and o's which back then were probably WBZ, WINS, KWFB, KDKA, KYW Cleveland? and WOWO Ft Wayne. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 6:13pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > As a side note, it's not nice sharing a birthday with the date of > America's most infamous assassination (I was born on the 15th > anniversary of JFK's death). > > I wonder if any stations will devote special programming to the 40th > anniversary of the president's death. I vaguely recall stations > (especially Channel 4) running a number of specials on the 25th > anniversary; I'm thinking there won't be much happening on the 40th > since it's a "non-traditional" anniversary. > > I would expect many stations will do something for the 50th > anniversary. http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From markwats@comcast.net Fri Nov 21 18:51:51 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:51:34 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00b001c3b08a$6f8e5480$64f88018@markscomputer> Garrett Wollman wrote:. >WLVI was promoting their coverage of THE Game live >tomorrow from New Haven in HD. Would this be the first >local sports program to be produced in HD? No, your eyes didn't deceive you Garrett.Yes, WLVI is carrying the Harvard-Yale football game (known by locals as simply "The Game"). I read an article in today's Boston Herald that WLVI has a 4 year deal to carry the Harvard-Yale football game. Yes they are producing it in HD, teaming up with an outside HD production company (name was mentioned in article, but escapes me at the moment). Also of note: WLVI's coverage of tomorrow's Harvard-Yale game will also air on WGN-TV Chicago, and will air in Ireland as well. Slightly off-topic: Hope you're feeling better Garrett. Mark Watson From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 18:52:55 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:54:38 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1069458869.789F954@s5.dngr.org> Ummm NESN been doing HD home games of Bruins and Sox since September What is really strange is WGN Chicago picking up D feed as well ( but telecast being produced by Dallas based HDTVnet using NESN truck) On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 6:51pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > If my eyes were not deceiving me yesterday evening (and they could > have been after all the drugs they gave me while getting a difficult > molar extracted), WLVI was promoting their coverage of THE Game live > tomorrow from New Haven in HD. Would this be the first local sports > program to be produced in HD? Will all five people with OTA HD > receivers be tuned to it? (So far as I know, Comcast doesn't include > WLVI-DT in their digital lineup.) > > -GAWollman http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Nov 21 18:56:09 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Nov 21 18:56:14 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <1069458869.789F954@s5.dngr.org> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1069458869.789F954@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200311212356.hALNu9OC010113@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Ummm NESN been doing HD home games of Bruins and Sox since September They're not broadcast. We do have *some* standards, here... :-) -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Nov 21 19:03:56 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:02:44 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago References: Message-ID: <00bc01c3b08c$20afad80$6b9ee541@p133> I was in afternoon 9th grade history class, (New Lebanon NY, Albany Area); the teacher, Mr Salls, normally loud & quite animated, was sitting silently at his desk; the whole class was silent. everyone knew something had happened, noone knew what. with cold-war fears were still in our young minds, my first thought was that nuclear war had broken out. Then the news of JFK came over the loud speaker. Mr Salls made a few hushed comments, & said to just read your text books, no lecture today. that detail alone told me the immensity of murder of a president. Thank God it was not nuclear war, but was a new heavy issue, that I needed to understand. got home, & the Albany stations (especially WRGB 6) had begun coverage, muted & respectful, as details trickled in. WTC / 9-11 struck me harder, but the national reaction to JFK's death was a severe personal lesson on how 1 person(s) and a violent method (read that: gun in the wrong hands) can so terribly affect the nation, and the world. -Madprof From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 19:01:43 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:03:26 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <200311212356.hALNu9OC010113@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200311212356.hALNu9OC010113@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1069459397.7D452BA@w5.dngr.org> It is a broadcast milestone I will grant you, though WCVB HD picked up Pats last week Now I am curious WHDH TV was certainly the first to do local sports (Sox Bruins in color) back in 1958 with as my Dad called the backbreaking TK 41 cameras made by RCA. But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stero in Boston? On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 6:56pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> Ummm NESN been doing HD home games of Bruins and Sox since September > > They're not broadcast. We do have *some* standards, here... :-) > > -GAWollman http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Nov 21 19:06:56 2003 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:07:08 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <1069459397.7D452BA@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <001a01c3b08c$8e116300$6600a8c0@AMD> I have a WinTV-D card for my computer. WCVB-DT didn't have ESPN-HD's coverage of the game. It wasn't in wide screen on their HD, like ABC's Monday night games are. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:02 PM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Boston Radio mailing-list; Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: THE Game in HD on WLVI? It is a broadcast milestone I will grant you, though WCVB HD picked up Pats last week Now I am curious WHDH TV was certainly the first to do local sports (Sox Bruins in color) back in 1958 with as my Dad called the backbreaking TK 41 cameras made by RCA. But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stero in Boston? On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 6:56pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> Ummm NESN been doing HD home games of Bruins and Sox since September > > They're not broadcast. We do have *some* standards, here... :-) > > -GAWollman http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 19:13:22 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:13:34 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <001a01c3b08c$8e116300$6600a8c0@AMD> References: <001a01c3b08c$8e116300$6600a8c0@AMD> Message-ID: <1069460006.2381CD45@w5.dngr.org> Oops somebody in Needham goofed it was supposed to be in HD On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 7:12pm, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I have a WinTV-D card for my computer. WCVB-DT didn't have ESPN-HD's > coverage of the game. It wasn't in wide screen on their HD, like ABC's > Monday night games are. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf > Of Kevin Vahey > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:02 PM > To: Garrett Wollman > Cc: Boston Radio mailing-list; Garrett Wollman > Subject: Re: THE Game in HD on WLVI? > > It is a broadcast milestone I will grant you, though WCVB HD picked up > Pats last week > > Now I am curious > WHDH TV was certainly the first to do local sports (Sox Bruins in > color) back in 1958 with as my Dad called the backbreaking TK 41 > cameras > > made by RCA. > > But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stero in Boston? > > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 6:56pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> < >> said: >> >>> Ummm NESN been doing HD home games of Bruins and Sox since September >> >> They're not broadcast. We do have *some* standards, here... :-) >> >> -GAWollman > http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 19:23:47 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:23:45 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> Garrett writes: > If my eyes were not deceiving me yesterday evening (and they could > have been after all the drugs they gave me while getting a difficult > molar extracted Dentist office music report? Remember "Dentist Office Music" used to be akin to the former WJIB (96.9 Boston). Never knew what was worse, the tooth experience or the music that droned on in the background. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 21 19:29:56 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:30:03 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <002601c3b08f$c1d0bbc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I wasn't born when President Kennedy was shot and quickly turn the channel when any of the Kennedy shows come on. Everyone says broadcasters aim their programming at young people, but that's certainly not the case this week with all the Kennedy shows. How come there's never a show on the anniversary of the McKinley assassination? ;-) My late father always told this story of where he was when Kennedy was killed: He took a break from working on the farm and heard the news on the radio. He went back into the barn and told his father "The President's been shot." His father' response was "Good." Now that's a unique story. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 21 19:35:19 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:35:22 2003 Subject: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) References: <001601c3b083$638f35c0$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <004501c3b090$81a3ca00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) > I wonder if any stations will devote special programming to the 40th > anniversary of the president's death. You must not watch much TV: It has been all Kennedy all week. MSNBC had a special, PBS has had two. Imus spent the whole morning on it this morning. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 21 19:36:34 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:36:39 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <004e01c3b090$ae557080$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Boston Radio mailing-list" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? >Would this be the first local sports > program to be produced in HD? NESN starting doing Sox games from Fenway in HD this past season. From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Nov 21 19:38:42 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:38:48 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031121193610.02574e58@mail.mac.com> At 07:23 PM 11/21/2003, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Dentist office music report? Remember "Dentist Office Music" used to be akin >to the former WJIB (96.9 Boston). Never knew what was worse, the tooth >experience or the music that droned on in the background. My dentist (in Hampstead, NH) listens to WBOQ, the hygienist listens to WMJX. Note that I changed the topic, in case this becomes a thread. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 19:58:10 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 19:58:14 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <002601c3b08f$c1d0bbc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000101c3b093$b3781ba0$7200a8c0@livingroom> He went back into the barn and told his father "The > President's been > shot." His father' response was "Good." > > Now that's a unique story. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine Unique. Yea, that's the word I was searching for. Unique. Reminds me of an old George Carlin bit where he says something like, "I remember what my grandfather used to say to me when I was a small boy....'GET THE OFF MY LAP!'" Bill O'Neill From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Nov 21 20:11:46 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Nov 21 20:11:51 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031121193610.02574e58@mail.mac.com> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> <6.0.0.22.2.20031121193610.02574e58@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <200311220111.hAM1Bjox010496@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > My dentist (in Hampstead, NH) listens to WBOQ, the hygienist listens to WMJX. > Note that I changed the topic, in case this becomes a thread. This is now the cue for Mr. Fybush to pop up with the story of WDDS 93.1 Syracuse. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 21 20:13:32 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 21 20:14:16 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) References: <000101c3b093$b3781ba0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <007a01c3b095$dab163a0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "'Dan Billings'" ; Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: RE: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) > Reminds me of an > old George Carlin bit where he says something like, "I remember what my > grandfather used to say to me when I was a small boy....'GET THE deleted> OFF MY LAP!'" George Carlin -- an old Boston radio guy. (So we are on topic). He was on Imus awhile after the O.J. trial and when the I-man asked him what he thought about it, he said "How come nobody ever asks if they had it coming?" Even the I-man was a little shocked. As for my grandfather's reaction -- if something happened to the current President, I think there are lots of people who would have the same reaction as my grandfather did. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From RogerKola@aol.com Fri Nov 21 20:16:23 2003 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Fri Nov 21 20:16:36 2003 Subject: Brattleboro Selectboard passes diluted resolution for rfb Message-ID: <12f.35b10946.2cf012e7@aol.com> Hi Pete and the Group... I stand corrected and will crawl back under my rock and await the arrival of the Woulf Hong and accept my punishment as a true radio affectionado who doesn't know his Part 15 Rules should... Thanks for the Great Link! Roger WA1KAT >As for Part 15...if you only control the measured power and not the ERP, you > leave a situation where a properly located 100mw transmitter with an > appropriately designed antenna system on a tower or mountaintop has the same range as a ....< >I'm not sure where this misinformation came from, but Part 15 doesn't >state anything about 100mw on FM, to my memory. Field strength limits >exist for all frequencies, save for those under 9KHz. There are other >details... >Take a look at Part 15 of Chapter 1 of Title 47. >http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/47cfr15_02.html From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Nov 21 20:19:30 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Nov 21 20:19:35 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <200311212341.hALNfo7W009983@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <000201c3b08e$e5db8780$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <200311220119.hAM1JUoj010537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Dentist office music report? Remember "Dentist Office Music" used to be akin > to the former WJIB (96.9 Boston). No music at the oral surgeon, thank Ghu. My regular destist switches between Oldies and the station Laurence loves to disparage -- last time I was there, she had on the station from Waltham. (And I freaked both her and her assistant by doing an imitation of a seven-year-old WTOS-FM legal ID stager. Apparently my voice gets better when my mouth is half-numb, go figure. When I go back I'll have to treat them to a classic KYW top-hour, or perhaps Maine Public Radio. She would probably appreciate a 77WABC name shout more....) -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Nov 21 22:26:34 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Nov 21 22:26:49 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: <1069471598.1A46BA63@r5.dngr.org> Heads rolling at WEEI so there must be some advertising backlash over the gorilla. I know WEEI is nervous about losing the Sox as the team is looking to take radio in house as soon as current contract expires. Rumor is strong Infinity open to a similar deal the Yankees have with WCBS. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/325/business/Shake_up_at_WEEI+.shtml From stevewest106@hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 22:38:33 2003 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Fri Nov 21 22:49:49 2003 Subject: GREAT Boston radio trivia question Message-ID: >What AM station in another US city has contributed two different sets of >call letters to two different Boston AM stations? > I would say 660 in New York due to it being WRCA at some point in the 50s... but I'm not sure- that's probably not what you were looking for. However, if you had said FM, the answer would be WOR. The FM side, 98.7 was WOR-FM until 1973 and RKO's 98.5 FM's calls in Boston were intended to mimic WOR-FM New York's - thus WROR. In '73, 98.7 in New York ditched the WOR-FM calls in favor of WXLO (99X). After dropping those calls in favor of WRKS in the 80s, 104.5 in Worcester picked up the WXLO calls. >I expect Scott Fybush to know the answer, but if someone beats Scott to the >punch, that person would win a prize--if I had any prizes to hand out. > >-- >Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net >eFax 707-215-6367 > _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Nov 21 22:52:34 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Nov 21 22:52:46 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI References: <1069471598.1A46BA63@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <009301c3b0ac$10424d70$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> >From the story: "Entercom has hired former Suffolk County district attorney Ralph Martin to negotiate a resolution to this latest ugly chapter in Boston's ugly racial history with Metco, a voluntary program that buses Boston students to suburban schools. The best settlement would be one that rights the wrong done to the Metco children and leaves WEEI a better institution. . " Right the wrong? The guy said something very stupid. But how was anyone wronged? And the station is going to pay money for a stupid joke? This is over the top. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Fri Nov 21 23:45:58 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri Nov 21 23:45:55 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311220119.hAM1JUoj010537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000001c3b0b3$8621ea30$7200a8c0@livingroom> When I go back I'll have to treat them > to a classic KYW top-hour, or perhaps Maine Public Radio. She would > probably appreciate a 77WABC name shout more....) > > -GAWollman I once spewed the old Stern jingle send-up at my chiropractor's office during an adjustment, (WNBC bed, I think) "You...stupid ...dick!" That was just before the apology and co-pay. Bill O'Neill From sven@gordsven.com Sat Nov 22 00:42:40 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Nov 22 00:42:45 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <007a01c3b095$dab163a0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Dan Billings wrote: > As for my grandfather's reaction -- if something happened to the current > President, I think there are lots of people who would have the same > reaction as my grandfather did. This entire country would be brought under martial law faster than you can say "wha?" I dislike Georgie, but I really REALLY hope nobody tries pulling a Kennedy on him. I shudder to think of the aftermath. -- Sven From sven@gordsven.com Sat Nov 22 00:45:31 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Nov 22 00:45:36 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311220119.hAM1JUoj010537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Garrett Wollman wrote: > mouth is half-numb, go figure. When I go back I'll have to treat them > to a classic KYW top-hour, or perhaps Maine Public Radio. She would > probably appreciate a 77WABC name shout more....) Ahhhh but can you do the WRCA, Waltham, Boston; Radiolandia 13-30 Super estereo ID like the one on your website? :-) -- Sven From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 01:04:03 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:04:07 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: References: <200311220119.hAM1JUoj010537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200311220604.hAM643dq012022@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Ahhhh but can you do the WRCA, Waltham, Boston; Radiolandia 13-30 > Super estereo ID like the one on your website? :-) Given that I don't speak more than a word or two of Spanish that would be a bit of a toughie. If there were a bit more of a tune behind it I might have a chance (I can sing in languages I don't know) if I heard it enough times. -GAWollman From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 01:25:41 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:25:44 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311220604.hAM643dq012022@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200311220119.hAM1JUoj010537@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200311220604.hAM643dq012022@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200311220625.hAM6Pf6M012105@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < Given that I don't speak more than a word or two of Spanish that would > be a bit of a toughie. If there were a bit more of a tune behind it I > might have a chance Which I just verified, in a way, by singing along with the HJJX ID (R-C-N, la radio de Colombia). -GAWollman From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:38:25 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <63072.216.204.15.170.1069452338.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.17486.AA331D@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 17:05, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Maybe I'm callous too, but what I recall most was annoyance that every > radio station suspended regular programming for either talk or somber > music until the funeral was over. I was at an age where I was really into > the hits, and just wanted something "decent" on the radio again. What I remember is classical music on WMEX! They seemed to be playing the second (funeral march) movement of Beethoven's Third Symphony whenever I tuned in. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:38:46 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031121133011.022475b8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.11416.AA31CE@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 13:31, Donna Halper wrote: > His name was Dr O'Leary (I never figured out what > he was a doctor of...) Probably Education. > I do recall that I was the one who confirmed for everyone the terrible > news that yes, it was no rumour; the president really had been shot. And > so much changed for all of us after that. I have a radio story, too. I was a freshman at UMass, and I had already begun to do news announcing on WMUA. At the time, the station signed on at 4:30 PM, with something called "Music Theater." This was a direct steal, both the format and the title, from WBOS at the time, but it consisted of instrumental pop music, played without announcement, except for 5 minutes of news on the hour, headlines on the half hour, and a promo on the quarter hour. It was a convenient place to start a freshman, and my airshift was every Friday afternoon until about 6:00 PM. After a late lunch at the Dining Commons, I returned to the dorm to find a large crowd around the TV. After learning what had happened, I went upstairs to my room and listened to the radio for a little while. At that time, the President's condition was unknown. There was also a brief rumor about Vice President Johnson having had a heart attack on learning the news. This turned out to be simply a misinterpretation of the simple fact that LBJ did have a heart attack in 1955. Anyway, at some point I decided to go down to the station, where I found a large crowd in front of the teletype. The news studio was being used by people who were preparing for a special report later in the evening, and the performance studio was being used by the campus paper, which didn't have a teletype of its own in those days, to prepare a special edition. As it came time to go on the air, they ran a line to the Tech Department shop and set up the "consolette," a two-turntable remote affair normally used to do a Friday night rock & roll show from the Student Union. Meanwhile, the classical music director picked some appropriately somber music. I cleared some space on the workbench for a microphone and copy, including the sign-on announcement, which I was going to have to read in place of the taped version that we usually used. I also had an announcement that classes were going to be cancelled until after the funeral. That soon became until after Thanksgiving break. I managed to keep my voice steady, with only one bad moment, as I read the sign-on and class cancellation announcement. We went to music until 5:00. I sometimes had to fight to get the news copy that I needed, since others were using it either for the evening special or the newspaper. I remember specifically asking for the story of President Johnson's swearing-in. As I was doing the 5:00 newscast, the program director came tiptoeing into our makeshift studio, with a piece of teletype paper in his hand. I could tell that he had some late-breaking news, and when I finished what I was reading, I stepped back from the microphone, and he stepped up and read the news of the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. He then stepped back, and I resumed my newscast. I suppose I could have reached up for it and said, "This just handed me!" but I didn't think of that until sometime in the early 90s, when I told the story at a station reunion. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:39:01 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.21350.AA33F7@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 17:10, Sid Schweiger wrote: > and the Presidency...for example, the principle (now firmly entrenched, > thanks to that day in Dallas) that an American President cannot ride down > the main streets of an American city without being the target of gunfire. > No American President since Kennedy has attempted to do so, and even if > one wanted to, the Secret Service would veto it immediately. Actually, in January 1969, Nixon opened the top of his limo, while riding back to the White House from his inauguration. And as I watched it on television, I kept thinking of the back of his head, where Kennedy took a bullet. In 1977, Jimmy Carter walked from the Capitol back to the White House. These weren't considered very risky actions, since (a) the Secret Service had all of Pennsylvania Avenue covered, and (b) Carter's actions were impromptu, and an impromptu action is considered safer, since potential assassins will not have planned on it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:39:09 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311220111.hAM1Bjox010496@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031121193610.02574e58@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.1947.AA3386@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 20:11, Garrett Wollman wrote: > This is now the cue for Mr. Fybush to pop up with the story of WDDS > 93.1 Syracuse. Is there a WDMD somewhere? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:39:16 2003 Subject: THE Game in HD on WLVI? In-Reply-To: <1069459397.7D452BA@w5.dngr.org> References: <200311212356.hALNu9OC010113@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.2076.AA346C@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 16:01, Kevin Vahey wrote: > But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stero in Boston? WGBH and WBUR broadcast symphony concerts in the late 50s by having one station do the left channel and the other station do the right channel. WCRB was probably the first in Boston to broadcast FM multiplex stereo. I remember listening to WCRB announce the authorization of FM multiplex stereo on a newscast, which included the announcement that WCRB would soon begin such broadcasts. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 22 01:37:17 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 22 01:39:22 2003 Subject: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) In-Reply-To: <004501c3b090$81a3ca00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FBEBDCD.26191.AA34E9@localhost> On 21 Nov 2003 at 19:35, Dan Billings wrote: > You must not watch much TV: It has been all Kennedy all week. MSNBC had > a special, PBS has had two. Imus spent the whole morning on it this > morning. Last Sunday the History Channel spent most of the day on JFK, including rerunning a 1983 miniseries on Kennedy's presidency, with Martin Sheen as JFK. That was interesting to watch, in light of Sheen's present role as President Bartlet on "The West Wing." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 03:21:03 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 03:21:06 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: <1390220.1069454980965.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20031122082103.88603.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- hopfgapr@sprynet.com wrote: > I was just 2 weeks shy of my 6th birthday, and had > come home from school (1st Grade) when the man I > appaerntly called "John F The Kennedy" was shot. I was just shy of my 2nd birthday so I don't quite remember all this. But tonight at the start of his WTKK talk show (tape delayed 7 hours), Sean Hannity played a brief montage of radio coverage via ABC radio's Dallas affiliate (at the time and perhaps still), WBAP (820). The other night PBS was re-broadcasting "The Kennedys" and they re-aired the famous footage of Walter Cronkite (taking off and putting on his glasses as he scanned the bulletin) saying "...and now the flash, apparently official, President Kennedy died today in Dallas at 12:35 pm local time" etc. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 03:27:52 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 03:28:01 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031122082752.3470.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: > Would someone care to explain what people mean by > "innocent" and "the > world changed", etc. It was a shock to many to see a young and vibrant President killed. I've heard that at his funeral, a reporter (whose name escapes me) was asked by a fellow reporter, Mary McGrory, "Will we ever laugh again?". The reporter replied, "Oh, we'll laugh again, Mary. But we'll never be young again." In other words the world DID change for many on that day and the young spirit of "Camelot", etc., was shattered. Perhaps the same kind of thing happened (a feeling that our youth has passed us by, suddenly) some 17 years later when John Lennon was assasinated. (And people holding a vigil for Lennon on the streets of New York held up signs quoting one of his songs: "The Dream is Over"... From nuhuc@juno.com Sat Nov 22 08:37:54 2003 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Sat Nov 22 08:39:39 2003 Subject: Where I Was 40 Years Ago (a radio story) Message-ID: <20031122.083754.-1036965.1.nuhuc@juno.com> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:21:03 -0800 (PST) Bob Nelson writes: > Sean > Hannity played a brief montage of radio coverage > via ABC radio's Dallas affiliate (at the time > and perhaps still), WBAP (820). Today, from 11AM to 6PM (Texas Time) WBAP will be re-broadcasting in real time 11/22/63, with some added commentary. It should be quite interesting listening... it will be streamed audio as well. Best of luck getting in, I'll bet it will strain their bandwidth: http://www.wbap.com/listingsentryfeature.asp?ID=70966&PT=featurestory -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 11:34:54 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 11:35:11 2003 Subject: Fwd: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:01:24 >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: >As a side note, it's not nice sharing a birthday with >the date of >America's most infamous assassination (I was born on >the 15th >anniversary of JFK's death). If it will make you feel better, in the Catholic Church, November 22nd is St. Cecilia's day, and she's portrayed as the Patron Saint of music; Handel, a Protestant, wrote a musical piece called "Ode to St. Cecilia". Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 11:46:25 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 11:46:53 2003 Subject: Fwd: Dentist Office Radio Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:19:30 >From: Garrett Wollman >To: >Cc: "'Boston Radio mailing-list'" interest@bostonradio.org >No music at the oral surgeon, thank Ghu. My regular >destist switches >between Oldies and the station Laurence loves to >disparage Actually, disparaging the South Street snoozer is not pleasurable at all considering how far short of what WCRB once was the outlet has become. It would give me great PLEASURE if some suburban Boston billionaire bought it and turned it into a KING-FM, Seattle clone (although 98.1, according to the listings on its website commits the *pecadillo of playing single-movements of some works...that has to go!). *(one of the favorites tunes of my yute: "The Woody Woodpecadillo Song") >-- last >time I was there, she had on the station from >Waltham. WBRS? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 11:57:35 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 11:57:51 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: >DATE: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:26:34 >From: Kevin Vahey >To: Boston Radio Mailing List >I know WEEI is nervous about losing the Sox as the >team is looking to >take radio in house as soon as current contract >expires. Rumor is strong >Infinity open to a similar deal the Yankees have with >WCBS. I hate to seem morbid, but if Davis Brudnoy's career is over, (and I should note that I was a frequent caller to his show the D-Man would give me more time than some other callers if I disagreed with him or his guest) WBZ-AM management would see Red Sox baseball as an ideal product for the spring/summer period. Most weekday games are at night; but although WBZ is a useful station to have available weekend days since there's little news elsewhere, baseball games are usually played weekend afternoons. If the Red Sox did go to WBZ, WRKO could counter by increasing local news, weather and traffic reports on Saturdays and Sundays; both days they have live, local (um, where does Stuart Spencer do his show anyway?)talk shows that could easily be formatted to resemble news/talk with a heavier emphasis on news. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From hmadjid@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 12:03:58 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sat Nov 22 12:04:05 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: <20031122170358.16012.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey writes: >Heads rolling at WEEI so there must be some >advertising backlash over >the gorilla. >I know WEEI is nervous about losing the Sox as the >team is looking to >take radio in house as soon as current contract >expires. Rumor is >strong >Infinity open to a similar deal the Yankees have >with WCBS. IMHO WEEI can't afford to lose the 'Sox if they can help it. The 'Sox are like 90% of what makes that station. However, I thought 'EEIs Red Sox contract still has several years to run? Infinity? Sox on 'BZ perhaps? Rumor is strong? What rumor is strong? All I've seen so far is speculation on various on-line forums. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 12:21:20 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 12:21:38 2003 Subject: Fwd: failure notice Message-ID: >Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:09:55 -0000 >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:09:55 -0500 >From: "Laurence Glavin" >DATE: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:37:17 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: Kevin Vahey >On 21 Nov 2003 at 16:01, Kevin Vahey wrote: > But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stereo in Boston? >WCRB was probably the first in Boston to broadcast FM >multiplex stereo. I remember >listening to WCRB announce the authorization of FM >multiplex stereo on a newscast, which >included the announcement that WCRB would soon begin >such broadcasts. Wait a minute...I believe the short-lived WUPI/WUPY FM 105.3 in Lynn beat WCRB to the punch. (This is not a WCRB slam, it was a good station then). Now to paraphrase Bill Clinton, it depends on what the definition of Boston is. WUPI/WUPY's COL was Lynn and WCRB's COL was and is Waltham. The former's signal was probly just like WFNX's when it broadcast from Rt. 107, while WCRB had about 3300 watts horizontal only at 920 feet on the channel 4 tower. So 105.3 got into Back Bay, Allston-Brighton and Eastie maybe a little bit better than 102.5 which in turn was GIGANTIC in W.Roxbury, Hyde Pahk and Readville. WBCN, which was then classical, followed by easy-listening days classical at night, started stereo FM broadcasting shortly thereafter, but I couldn't swear that it was the first Boston COL to do so. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Nov 22 12:21:39 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Nov 22 12:24:02 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio References: Message-ID: <000b01c3b11d$176e2c10$6400a8c0@brianhome> With all due respect, after all these years, the digs against WCRB are getting tiresome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Fwd: Dentist Office Radio > >DATE: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:19:30 > >From: Garrett Wollman > >To: > >Cc: "'Boston Radio mailing-list'" interest@bostonradio.org > > >No music at the oral surgeon, thank Ghu. My regular >destist switches > >between Oldies and the station Laurence loves to >disparage > > Actually, disparaging the South Street snoozer > is not pleasurable at all considering how far short of what WCRB once was the outlet has become. It would > give me great PLEASURE if some suburban Boston billionaire > bought it and turned it into a KING-FM, Seattle clone > (although 98.1, according to the listings on its website > commits the *pecadillo of playing single-movements of some > works...that has to go!). > *(one of the favorites tunes of my yute: "The Woody Woodpecadillo Song") > > >-- last > >time I was there, she had on the station from >Waltham. > > WBRS? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:00:23 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:00:26 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031122180023.53297.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: Most weekday games > are > at night; but although WBZ is a useful station to > have available > weekend days since there's little news elsewhere, > baseball games are usually played weekend > afternoons. True, most Sox games are at night but during the beginning and end of the season there are more than a few daytime games (or "early starts"-- 6 pm rather than 7-- because of colder weather). Also throughout the year there are "getaway days". For example, you would have the Red Sox at Fenway playing Toronto on Tue. and Wed. nights then an afternoon game on Thu. because they need to fly to the West Coast (or wherever) for a series starting Friday night. This would interrupt WBZ's "news radio". Unless they could shuffle some games off to FM (who would take them?) and the Sox would, frankly, not be too crazy about them doing this. And what about possible conflicts with the Bruins? Off to FM for them, I guess. Oldies 103? (Was done in the past-- Election Night, I think.) > If the Red Sox did go to WBZ, WRKO could counter by > increasing local news, weather and traffic reports > on > Saturdays and Sundays; both days they have live, > local (um, where does Stuart Spencer do his show > anyway?)talk shows that could easily be formatted to > resemble news/talk with a heavier emphasis on news. By the way I'm surprised WTKK doesn't do local news past 7 pm. Strictly CNN. If there's a hot local news story, listeners to the likes of Ingraham, Hannity, and John and Jeff would wind up tuning to WRKO or WBZ instead. (I think 'RKO does live local TOH casts until 1 pm, when they have network plus a shorter local news bit, possibly pre-recorded; WBZ does network and local all night. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 22 13:15:42 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:15:55 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031122180023.53297.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031122180023.53297.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> WCBS obviously feels it was worth the risk of losing newshounds to arch rival WINS (even tho co owned) KYW is talking to the Phillies for taking over from WPEN (the Phillies want NOTHING to do with WIP) For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. The Sox would actually prefer FM because other than WBZ none of the AM signals serve NW W and SW of Boston well. On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 1:07pm, Bob Nelson wrote: > > --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > Most weekday games >> are >> at night; but although WBZ is a useful station to >> have available >> weekend days since there's little news elsewhere, >> baseball games are usually played weekend >> afternoons. > > True, most Sox games are at night but during the > beginning and end of the season there are more than a > few daytime games (or "early starts"-- 6 pm rather > than 7-- because of colder weather). Also throughout > the year there are "getaway days". For example, > you would have the Red Sox at Fenway playing > Toronto on Tue. and Wed. nights then an afternoon > game on Thu. because they need to fly to the > West Coast (or wherever) for a series starting > Friday night. > From sps199@psu.edu Sat Nov 22 13:26:47 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:26:55 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000001c3b126$32ce4b80$33434742@Sean> Kevin wrote: << WCBS obviously feels it was worth the risk of losing newshounds to arch rival WINS (even tho co owned) KYW is talking to the Phillies for taking over from WPEN (the Phillies want NOTHING to do with WIP) For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. The Sox would actually prefer FM because other than WBZ none of the AM signals serve NW W and SW of Boston well. >> WCBS also has WFAN around in the event of a major news story going awry (such as the blackout earlier this summer). And the Mets and Yankees don't play simultaneously half the time, anyway, so that also clears out room on WFAN's schedule. As far as Philly, it might be interesting to note that UPN57 (Viacom O&O?) already owns the TV rights. 1210 in Philly (Infinity/Viacom) also carried the Phils' games until 2001 or '02, so that could be a logical option. As far as AM signals not serving the northwest-of-Boston area ... I seem to recall WRKO's transmitter being northwest of the city (Burlington) -- and north of where a good deal of the Boston-centered population lives. From oldradio@earthlink.net Sat Nov 22 13:16:40 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Sat Nov 22 13:29:43 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo References: Message-ID: <025301c3b124$c826a260$bc40bb3f@S0031698896> > > But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stereo in Boston? > >WCRB was probably the first in Boston to broadcast FM >multiplex stereo.>>> In the 1950's, WCRB-FM did a stereo simulcast with WGBH-FM of a Boston Symphony Orchestra concert as an "experiment" so the listener could experience "sound-around" stereo as if seated in the concert hall. The late Bill Busick put the technical audio together for WGBH, there were four or more microphones suspended in Symphony Hall. Listeners had to have two FM stereo radios, one tuned to 'GBH the other to 'CRB, with speakers in four corners of the living room, and "voila" - surround-stereo (without commercials). It was a big deal at the time, thanks to the creative thinking of Bill Busick and perhaps there was only one (maybe two) performances to experiment dual station stereo. Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Nov 22 14:13:08 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat Nov 22 14:05:16 2003 Subject: Little Walter's Boston return syndicated Message-ID: Well, listening right now, it sounds to me that Little Walter's return to the Boston airwaves on WXKS-AM is the same pre-recorded syndicated show that he sends to all his affiliates nationwide. The only local identification from Walter is on liners aired before, after, or to split up spot breaks, none in the body of the show, and he's mentioning e-mail requests from all over the country. It's great to hear him and the music here again, but I had hoped that at least for his return (again) to his original home town airwaves that he would've been on the air live to give it a personal touch. There's nothing wrong with him airing the syndicated show here on an ongoing basis if that's what he chooses to do, but I had hoped that his Boston return after two years would've been a more special occasion. In fact, I'm now realizing I heard part of this same program last Sunday night on WWBB 101.5 ("B-101") Providence. Eli Polonsky From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 14:15:26 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 14:15:53 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Dentist Office Radio Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:21:39 >From: "Brian Vita" >To: , interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> >With all due respect, after all these years, the digs >against WCRB are >getting tiresome. In one respect, so are tirades against the New York Yankees as the "Evil Empire". One repetitious thread or subject matter is about the tendencies of oldies stations to play only a fraction of popular recordings that appeared at one time on the Billboard, CashBox or Radio-and-Records lists. The cadre of principally commercial classical stations that also includes WGMS in DC and KDFC in SanFran do exactly the same thing, as can be determined by viewing their website playlists. (A few non-comms are doing something similar.) I think it's fair to contrast such outlets to KING-FM now that Seattle is no longer embargoed and one can observe that it gets a 12-and-over number about a percent lower than WCRB; this is new. Also Seattle has a high-ranking "Smooth Jazz" outlet, and this format appeals to the same cohort as KING-FM, and thus could draw some diary-holders from 98.1 (it wasn't so popular in St. Botolphstown for some reason). Remember, I haven't had occasion to mention anything on this subject for MONTHS, because absolutely nothing at Charles River B'casting has occurred except the purchase of AM 1180 in RI. Like Major Major in "Catch-22" the one thing remarkalble about 102.5 is the fact that nothing remarkable ever happens there...it's an audio wax museum. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 15:01:34 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:01:37 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031122200134.1516.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. > The Sox would > actually prefer FM because other than WBZ none of > the AM signals serve > NW W and SW of Boston well. Yup, as long as the PD(s) of those stations don't mind the occasional pre-emptions of music. I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM signal, myself; I work nights at a huge post office in N. Reading with lots of machinery--and reception of WEEI is tough to get. (I sometimes have to put a "boombox" near the edge of the building and use a baby monitor to transmit the signal to my mail sorting case!). 'ODS or 'ZLX would come in halfway decent. (I've wished that WEEI would simulcast-- at least the games-- on sister station WQSX 93.7 which comes in VERY WELL in our plant. The antenna is a town away, in Peabody.) When I used to work at the postal facility in Woburn (Washington St.), the games were easy to hear because they were on WRKO...and you could see the 'RKO sticks in Burlington from our parking lot. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 15:05:58 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:06:02 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031122200558.2129.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. If the Sox don't mind going to FM it would be good for me (see reply I did earlier); but I'd think Sox would want to stay on AM and have 'BZ move the Bruins to FM. (When I typed my orig. reply I was thinking "Sox moving to FM for conflicts" but I get the feeling the Sox would definitely want to "stay on one station" so people would remember it better.) Rumor has it the Sox would perhaps like to buy a station (but whom?) in town and make it their own radio version of NESN: Red Sox games, maybe even Bruins too (but gee, d'ya think John Henry can afford to buy _WBZ_? :)), sports talk, etc. Picture (given that the calls would be available and that Entercom would be wiling to sell)... "WSOX 850, your Red Sox and sports talk station!" :) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 15:06:51 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:07:02 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031122200651.23993.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. If the Sox don't mind going to FM it would be good for me (see reply I did earlier); but I'd think Sox would want to stay on AM and have 'BZ move the Bruins to FM. (When I typed my orig. reply I was thinking "Sox moving to FM for conflicts" but I get the feeling the Sox would definitely want to "stay on one station" so people would remember it better.) Rumor has it the Sox would perhaps like to buy a station (but whom?) in town and make it their own radio version of NESN: Red Sox games, maybe even Bruins too (but gee, d'ya think John Henry can afford to buy _WBZ_? :)), sports talk, etc. Picture (given that the calls would be available and that Entercom would be wiling to sell)... "WSOX 850, your Red Sox and sports talk station!" :) From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 22 15:09:40 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:09:58 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031122200134.1516.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031122200134.1516.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069531785.F50E574@s5.dngr.org> 1120 would solve some problems for the Sox in Middlesex County. Places like Acton, Westford, Chelmsford are just out of range of WEEI, WGIR and WTAG Interesting that Entercom still uses WTAG instead of WVEI (which does Pawtucket games) On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 3:01pm, Bob Nelson wrote: > > --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> For the few conflicta, WODS or WZLX would work fine. >> The Sox would >> actually prefer FM because other than WBZ none of >> the AM signals serve >> NW W and SW of Boston well. > > Yup, as long as the PD(s) of those stations don't mind > the occasional pre-emptions of music. > > I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM > signal, myself; I work nights at a huge post office > in N. Reading with lots of machinery--and reception > of WEEI is tough to get. (I sometimes have to > put a "boombox" near the edge of the building and > use a baby monitor to transmit the signal to my > mail sorting case!). 'ODS or 'ZLX would come in > halfway decent. > > (I've wished that WEEI would simulcast-- at least the > games-- on sister station WQSX 93.7 which comes in > VERY WELL in our plant. The antenna is a town away, in > Peabody.) > > When I used to work at the postal facility in > Woburn (Washington St.), the games were easy to hear > because they were on WRKO...and you could see the > 'RKO sticks in Burlington from our parking lot. http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 22 15:22:22 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:22:28 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI References: <20031122200558.2129.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3b136$56524b50$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Kevin Vahey" ; Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > Rumor has it the Sox would perhaps like to buy > a station (but whom?) in town and make it their > own radio version of NESN: Red Sox games, maybe > even Bruins too A radio version of NESN? Would that mean ESPN News most of the time like the real NESN? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Nov 22 15:24:57 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Nov 22 15:25:15 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? Message-ID: If one tries hard, it's possible to find a radio link in aeemingly unrelated stories. Today's (11/22) Boston globe prints an article about music used in various religious venues; the URL: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/11/22/religious_music_sounds_many_roles/ Half-way down the story, the interviewee claims that early in its histoire (a little French lingo) the Mormon Church was considered far outside of mainstream religion. But later, when the Mormon Tabernacle Choir began broadcasting on radio throughout the country, people's attitude toward the sect softened. When the incumbent Bay State (soon to be known as the Gay State, not that there's anything wrong with that) governor was just a candidate, his Mormon background was not seen as a dificit. Could it be that the radio broadcasts of the MTC helped him attain the corner office, where he has only a fraction of the power of the Tax Man, elected by only a few thousand denizens of Mattapan? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 16:14:22 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Nov 22 16:20:03 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo References: <025301c3b124$c826a260$bc40bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <00f001c3b13d$d19f3820$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> The "Quad" sound, huh? No wonder that never took hold. ;-) All I can imagine was the phasing issues of broadcasting over two stations at once. Would the Oboes disappear if it was out of phase? ;-) JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "RBB" To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: Re: WCRB-FM Stereo > > > But who was the first FM station to brodcast in stereo in Boston? > > >WCRB was probably the first in Boston to broadcast FM >multiplex > stereo.>>> > > In the 1950's, WCRB-FM did a stereo simulcast with WGBH-FM of a Boston > Symphony Orchestra concert as an "experiment" so the listener could > experience "sound-around" stereo as if seated in the concert hall. From nostaticatall@comcast.net Sat Nov 22 16:46:33 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Sat Nov 22 16:44:48 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI References: <20031122200134.1516.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> <1069531785.F50E574@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FBFD939.9080902@comcast.net> That's because WVEI has a horrible signal! Sure, it sound fine in Worcester, Auburn and parts of Shrewsbury, but everywhere else it's static-y or downright unlistenable, especially at night. When I lived in Northboro a few years back, I could barely pull the station in after sunset. 850 actually came in better, if you can believe that! WTAG has solid coverage throughout Central Mass, both day and night. It's a better value for the Sox to be on WTAG, even if Entercom isn't bringing in the local revenue from Worcester. WVEI's day signal is OK enough for them to simulcast WEEI's daytime programming, but not much else. Heck, I think 1440 just runs satellite sports after 6pm on nights where there's no Pawsox game. They don't even bother simulcasting Ted Sarandis' show--at least that was the case the last time I was in Worcester at night. Mike Thomas Kevin Vahey wrote: > Interesting that Entercom still uses WTAG instead of WVEI (which does > Pawtucket games) From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 16:48:29 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Nov 22 16:53:02 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? References: Message-ID: <001601c3b142$6ec70340$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > wCould it be that the > radio broadcasts of the MTC helped him attain the corner > office, where he has only a fraction of the power of > the Tax Man, elected by only a few thousand denizens of Mattapan? Could be. But I think people nowadays have much more information and can judge other people based on what they see...and not just what they've been told. People nowadays see Mormons as clean-living, responsible, family centered people. (Crime rate in Utah is ultra low.....and many of the 'quality of life' issues are high.) And whatever their actual theology is their own business. For many years we relied on the whacko stories of mormons spread from person to person to base our acceptance. Broadcasting, cable, radio, TV, internet has certainly made the world a smaller place....and given way to the "Hey, they are just like us" feeling. I recently had dealing with someone from the Czech Republic, the former Czechoslovakia. Their favorite show? Friends! Just had a guest from Argentina, his favorite show, MTV TRL. (Now to be honest, I woulda though the Czechs would be watching old 'Hazel' reruns in B&W, 16mm. But, sattelite and cable has done a lot to bridge the distance.) I have no doubt that the MTC helped bring Mormomism into the mainstream. But I think the more we get to know each other, the more we realize we all are pretty much the same. Mitt has presented himself as a courtly gentlemen...withstanding any philosophical and political differences you may have. I was quite impressed when he didn't take Shannon O'Brien's bait during that last debate....maintained his composure, made his points and never once shot a 'low blow' to Shannon. THIS from a Mormon? Whoda Thunk? And that debate was brought right into our living rooms. In the pre-radio days, we would had to have taken the Globe's perspective on what happenned there. (Shutter to think!) ;-) JP From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 22 18:34:12 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 22 18:35:34 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? References: Message-ID: <000a01c3b151$225c0870$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> South Park this week is about a Mormon family moving to town. Very funny. From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Nov 22 18:31:01 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Nov 22 18:36:37 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031122200558.2129.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031122182928.00a1e180@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >Rumor has it the Sox would perhaps like to buy >a station (but whom?) in town and make it their >own radio version of NESN: Red Sox games, maybe >even Bruins too , sports talk, etc. Didn't the Celtics own the original WEEI (590) for a while? From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Nov 22 19:21:49 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat Nov 22 19:14:18 2003 Subject: Fwd: Kennedy (and bringing it back to radio, TV) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBFFD9D.9010602@gabrielmass.com> Sean Smyth noted: >>As a side note, it's not nice sharing a birthday with >the date of >>America's most infamous assassination (I was born on >the 15th >>anniversary of JFK's death). > and Laurence Glavin offered: > If it will make you feel better, in the Catholic Church, > November 22nd is St. Cecilia's day, and she's portrayed > as the Patron Saint of music; Handel, a Protestant, wrote > a musical piece called "Ode to St. Cecilia". Composer Benjamin Britten wrote one too, to words by W.H. Auden. Sean can also find company in authors Aldous Huxley or C.S. Lewis -- incidentally, the latter's BBC radio talks are still in print. They both died on the same day in 1963, along with JFK. Boston connection: BC prof Peter Kreeft took the coincidence of the three deaths as an opportunity, and wrote a play imagining their meeting on their way to the Great Somewhere. -_RC From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Nov 22 19:28:14 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat Nov 22 19:28:04 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <025301c3b124$c826a260$bc40bb3f@S0031698896> References: <025301c3b124$c826a260$bc40bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <3FBFFF1E.7030509@gabrielmass.com> RBB wrote: > > In the 1950's, WCRB-FM did a stereo simulcast with WGBH-FM of a Boston > Symphony Orchestra concert as an "experiment" so the listener could > experience "sound-around" stereo as if seated in the concert hall. [...] > It was a big deal at the time, thanks to the creative > thinking of Bill Busick and perhaps there was only one (maybe two) > performances to experiment dual station stereo. It must have caught on, as 'GBH and 'CRB conducted similar joint BSO broadcasts on a regular basis in the '70s. Each one would start with an audio check of the four channels so that the listener could confirm correct speaker placement. --RC From sps199@psu.edu Sat Nov 22 19:29:23 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Nov 22 19:29:38 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b151$225c0870$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000001c3b158$df329b60$33434742@Sean> Dan Billings writes: << South Park this week is about a Mormon family moving to town. Very funny. >> Indeed. South Park's writers have been on top of their game this year. I had kinda lost interest in the show a few years back but this year's first three episodes have done a lot to pull me back in as a fan. In terms of edgy comedies, South Park's pushed itself back to the top of the heap. From sps199@psu.edu Sat Nov 22 19:32:06 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Nov 22 19:32:10 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031122182928.00a1e180@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000101c3b159$39846710$33434742@Sean> Steve O. writes: << Didn't the Celtics own the original WEEI (590) for a while? >> Indeed. They bought the station in 1989, then signed Andelman and flipped it to sports in 1991. They sold 590 to what became Back Bay Broadcasters in 1993, I believe. In turn, Back Bay sold WEEI's "intellectual property" to ARS in 1994. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 20:10:34 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 22 20:13:17 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <001601c3b142$6ec70340$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <001601c3b142$6ec70340$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > And that debate was brought right into our living rooms. In the pre-radio > days, we would had to have taken the Globe's perspective on what happenned > there. In the pre-radio days, we would have had the choice of the Herald, the Traveler, the Afternoon Record, the Daily Advertiser, the Transcript, and the Post in addition to the Globe and the Evening Globe -- not to mention the Quincy Patriot-Ledger, the Framingham Evening News, the Waltham Daily Tribune, the Lynn Daily Evening Item, the Salem Evening News, and several dozen other papers from nearby communities. All of these papers survived into the radio age, and all but the Transcript and the Post survive in some form today. (The Herald, Traveler, Record, and Advertiser are all ancestors of today's Herald, in addition to a paper that was .) -GAWollman From sven@gordsven.com Sat Nov 22 20:47:30 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Nov 22 20:47:30 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Transcript and the Post survive in some form today. (The Herald, > Traveler, Record, and Advertiser are all ancestors of today's Herald, > in addition to a paper that was .) However the Record, Traveler and Advertiser certainly didn't survive as independent editorial voices with their own points of view and coverage styles. I can't go to the newstand and ask the guy for a copy of the Traveler. He'd just look at me funny. These papers are just memories and dusty yellowing stacks of paper in the bowels of the Boston Herald's library. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Nov 22 20:56:08 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Nov 22 20:57:14 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031122205313.02707e88@pop.registeredsite.com> >Sven wrote-- >These papers are just memories and dusty yellowing stacks of paper in the >bowels of the Boston Herald's library. Au contraire, mon frere. All exist on microfilm, often very readable too, and the Boston Public Library has every one of them-- the Post, the Transcript, the Advertiser, the Daily Record, the Traveler, the American, the Telegram (not the Worcester Telegram-- there used to be one in Boston till the late 1920s), the Herald, the Globe, etc. There was a period in the late 1800s to early 1900s when many of these newspapers were within blocks of each other in a part of downtown Boston called "Newspaper Row." From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 21:04:15 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 22 21:04:18 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200311230204.hAN24FuG017078@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > However the Record, Traveler and Advertiser certainly didn't survive as > independent editorial voices with their own points of view and coverage > styles. Well, the Record and the Advertiser didn't have independent editorial voices: they were Hearst papers. (As was a third paper which published on Sundays only.) In fact, Hearst swapped the names around more than once. -GAWollman From sven@gordsven.com Sat Nov 22 22:11:52 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sat Nov 22 22:12:11 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031122205313.02707e88@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Donna Halper wrote: > Au contraire, mon frere. All exist on microfilm, often very readable > too, This is true. HOWEVER, my point is that the paper is not currently in publication. You cannot find it at your corner news stand, drop two quarters in the man's hand and then go down into the subway or climb onto a bus with the paper rolled up under your arm. To the general public, the Boston Post or the Traveler do not exist any more in the same way the Boston Herald does. -- Sven From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 22 23:10:25 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 22 23:10:40 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <200311230204.hAN24FuG017078@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200311230204.hAN24FuG017078@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1069560629.3C40249@r5.dngr.org> The Record was the morning paper that sctually came out the afternoon before, the American was the real morning, early afternoon paper, and the Advertiser was Sunday only. In 1961 the Record and American became an all day paper. The Hearst papers survived for years printing the "street number" Ironic that the only local station that does editorials is WCVB owned by Hearst. On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 9:05pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> However the Record, Traveler and Advertiser certainly didn't survive >> as >> independent editorial voices with their own points of view and >> coverage >> styles. > > Well, the Record and the Advertiser didn't have independent editorial > voices: they were Hearst papers. (As was a third paper which > published on Sundays only.) In fact, Hearst swapped the names around > more than once. > > -GAWollman http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 23:20:03 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat Nov 22 23:20:20 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <1069560629.3C40249@r5.dngr.org> References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200311230204.hAN24FuG017078@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1069560629.3C40249@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200311230420.hAN4K33j017528@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The Record was the morning paper that sctually came out the afternoon > before, the American was the real morning, early afternoon paper, and > the Advertiser was Sunday only. Depends on which era to which you refer. In part of the pre-radio era, the Advertiser was the morning paper, the Record was the afternoon, and the American was the Sunday. I think the rise of mass media -- television in particular -- has effectively eliminated the utility of the afternoon papers. How many cities can you think of that still have both? -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 22 23:32:34 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 22 23:32:45 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <200311230420.hAN4K33j017528@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200311230420.hAN4K33j017528@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1069561956.F50E574@s5.dngr.org> Chicago both papers still replate in the afternoon..as commuters tend to read one paper inbound, the other outbound...other than that I don't think there are any. The evening papers main function were closing stock tables, and sports and racing results. I still have the Boston Evening Globe from October 2, 1978 which screamed "Sox lead in 7th" On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:20pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > I think the rise of mass media -- television in particular -- has > effectively eliminated the utility of the afternoon papers. How many > cities can you think of that still have both? > > -GAWollman http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From sven@gordsven.com Sun Nov 23 00:15:06 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:15:08 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <1069560629.3C40249@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Hearst papers survived for years printing the "street number" What is the "street number"? -- Sven From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Nov 23 00:23:22 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:23:33 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <000101c3b159$39846710$33434742@Sean> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031122182928.00a1e180@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031123001854.01ad0030@pop.gis.net> At 07:32 PM 11/22/03 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Steve O. writes: ><< Didn't the Celtics own the original WEEI (590) for a while? >> > >Indeed. They bought the station in 1989, then signed Andelman and >flipped it to sports in 1991. They sold 590 to what became Back Bay >Broadcasters in 1993, I believe. In turn, Back Bay sold WEEI's >"intellectual property" to ARS in 1994. And channel 25 too for $10 million in May of 1990. From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Nov 23 00:27:03 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:27:21 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069565233.30163DE4@r5.dngr.org> In the days before the state run lottery, the mob ran an illegal lottery and the Record printed the number. Jerry Wiliams used to sneak it in as well ( Im sure under orders from Mac Richmond) On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:15am, Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> The Hearst papers survived for years printing the "street number" > > What is the "street number"? > > -- > Sven From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Nov 23 00:44:18 2003 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:36:47 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <1069565233.30163DE4@r5.dngr.org> References: <1069565233.30163DE4@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FC04932.5080405@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the days before the state run lottery, the mob ran an illegal lottery > and the Record printed the number. > Jerry Wiliams used to sneak it in as well ( Im sure under orders from > Mac Richmond) What did the Record label it: "Today's Mob Lottery Number"? --RC From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Nov 23 00:49:58 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:50:12 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <3FC04932.5080405@gabrielmass.com> References: <3FC04932.5080405@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <1069566604.24F8F399@r5.dngr.org> They would have if the could It was called 7 Races mutuals There was a formula they used adding the payouts of horse races and from that they came up with a 3 digit number. Course every once in awhile the bookies would get creamed if they used the number from Suffolk, so they would call Sam Cohen at the Herald and say run the number from Lincoln or New York or Frostbite Falls. In any event whatever number was in the Record is what the corner bookie paid off on. Growin up in that era, I can tell you WHIL AM had a lot of listeners at 4:30 every afternoon for Babe Rubenstein's Suffolk Downs show. On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:39am, Richard Chonak wrote: > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> In the days before the state run lottery, the mob ran an illegal >> lottery and the Record printed the number. >> Jerry Wiliams used to sneak it in as well ( Im sure under orders from >> Mac Richmond) > > What did the Record label it: "Today's Mob Lottery Number"? > > --RC http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From sps199@psu.edu Sun Nov 23 01:05:54 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Nov 23 01:06:02 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <200311230420.hAN4K33j017528@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000401c3b187$dde6d620$33434742@Sean> Garrett Wollman writes: << I think the rise of mass media -- television in particular -- has effectively eliminated the utility of the afternoon papers. How many cities can you think of that still have both? >> An anomaly down here in PA ... two neighboring cities (York, Lancaster) have both AM and PM papers. The Steinman family (former owners of what is now WLNE, among other outlets) owns the Lancaster papers. The York papers are owned by Bruckner (morning Daily Record) and Media News (afternoon Dispatch); Media News has an option to buy the Daily Record in January and everyone expects that to go through. Baltimore and Harrisburg were two cities that disposed of the co-owned evening papers in very recent (i.e. within the last 5-6) years. A plug on the side ... I'm planning on starting a Boston-centered newspaper e-mail list (similar to BRI) in the immediate future. If you or anyone else you know wishes to join, e-mail me off-list. (I know we have a couple newspaper people who lurk here.) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 08:59:54 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 23 09:00:04 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b151$225c0870$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031123135954.15622.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > South Park this week is about a Mormon family moving > to town. Very funny. > Two things: --remember when John Lakian ran against Romney (for the GOP Senate nomination, I think) and he said "I will not make an issue out of Mr. Romney's religion", then stumbled during a debate and referred to his opponent as "Mr. Mormon"? --A recent Travel Channel documentary about the Little People of America convention from 2002 in Salt Lake City showed "politically incorrect" T-shirts being sold by Danny Black, a dwarf who markets products for and about the short-statured. Referring to the once-common practice of polygamy by Mormons (now outlawed) as well as a famous fairy tale, one shirt said "One Wife, Seven Dwarfs: We Had The Idea First". "Didja get the joke?," asks Black, holding up the shirt to a prospective buyer. Given that the convention was in Salt Lake City... :) (http://www.thatsdandy.com/main/one_wife_shirts.jpg) From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Sun Nov 23 13:45:31 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun Nov 23 13:45:53 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? Message-ID: <410-2200311023184531640@sprynet.com> What I remember about the Record American days (late 60s-early 70s) is that it was a PM paper that always had the NEXT DAY date on the masthead. Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Kevin Vahey > Cc: > Date: 11/22/03 11:20:24 PM > Subject: Re: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? > > < said: > > > The Record was the morning paper that sctually came out the afternoon > > before, the American was the real morning, early afternoon paper, and > > the Advertiser was Sunday only. > > Depends on which era to which you refer. In part of the pre-radio > era, the Advertiser was the morning paper, the Record was the > afternoon, and the American was the Sunday. > > I think the rise of mass media -- television in particular -- has > effectively eliminated the utility of the afternoon papers. How many > cities can you think of that still have both? > > -GAWollman From lglavin@lycos.com Sun Nov 23 15:05:39 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun Nov 23 15:06:01 2003 Subject: No Boston Callers To WTTT Syndicated Shows Yet Message-ID: I've done a little sampling of the shows on WTTT-AM 1150, sometimes during their actual air times, and on weekends, reruns. I've noticed that during the syndicated shows, especially Medved and Prager(sp?), the hosts mention the call letters of the station to which the callers would be listening. The sampling has been spotty, so this observation is far from scientific, but so far NO ONE has called from Boston. I wonder if the hosts even know they're on in Boston, and if someone from inside Rt 128 called, would they have the call letters available. (Feder is getting some call, very few in the morning, and they may be planted calls Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 23:29:09 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sun Nov 23 23:29:12 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311220111.hAM1Bjox010496@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20031124042909.30733.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:11:46 Garrett Wollman wrote: > This is now the cue for Mr. Fybush to pop up with > the story of WDDS > 93.1 Syracuse. Well I'm not Scott, but I do have a interesting story I heard a couple years back about another station inside WDDS's (now WNTQ) signal area that is along these lines. While a student at Herkimer County Community College, one of my profs, Linda Rae, used to work at WLZW (98.7) Utica/Rome which, while she was there, was CHR WNYZ. One day she told our class about the day they changed formats from Beautiful Music WIBQ to WNYZ (I believe it was in 1986). Apparently, unlike most format changes that come with announcements, pre-produced imaging and such, this format change consisted of nothing more than letting the last BM record fade out, the normal silent periods between records on that format, then segueing directly into Twisted Sister's "Were Not Gonna Take It," followed by "Cum On Feel The Noize" by Quiet Riot. She was telling us how everybody working there at the time was wondering how many things just spontaneously went wrong in dentists' offices around the area, and how many nervous patients in the waiting room were now going insane with the sudden change of background music to back to back heavy metal records. That, to this day, has got to be one of the most extreme sudden format change stories I have ever heard Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 24 00:11:51 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:06:41 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the "late" Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern that only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=100668225&formid=301&fac_num=22798 Details in Monday's NERW...and I can't wait to see Dan Strassberg pick this one apart! s From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 24 00:19:07 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:19:31 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1069651152.1ADCF4F5@s5.dngr.org> Guess the AM band won't die in the Maritimes after all BTW noticed CBC started HDTV Saturday night but from website it looked like you needed a third party provider. Do they not have over the air DT yet? On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:14am, Scott Fybush wrote: > Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the > "late" Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC > to let him take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in > exchange for taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, > and a pattern that only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: > > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=100668225&formid=301&fac_num=22798 > > Details in Monday's NERW...and I can't wait to see Dan Strassberg pick > this one apart! > > s http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 24 00:32:39 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:27:29 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <1069651152.1ADCF4F5@s5.dngr.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124002619.035bbfa8@gwind.pair.com> At 09:19 PM 11/23/2003 -0800, Kevin Vahey wrote: >BTW noticed CBC started HDTV Saturday night but from website it looked >like you needed a third party provider. Do they not have over the air DT yet? The CBC doesn't, yet. The CRTC and Industry Canada are taking a hands-off approach to Canada's DTV transition - they've adopted the US ATSC standards and allocated channels for DTV use in each market, but there's no requirement that stations build out their DTV facilities nor any sunset deadline for turning off analog service. Thus far, only Toronto's independent CITY-TV has built a DTV facility (low power on channel 53), and a few applications are pending in Toronto (CBC, CTV) and one or two other large markets. The betting line in Canada is that most viewers will get their digital/HD service via either satellite or digital cable. Both of the satellite providers (Bell ExpressVu and Star Choice) offer the Boston and Seattle DTV channels (yes, that's right - people in Whitehorse can get WBZ-DT by satellite, but not people in Walpole) as well as some Canadian HD content. I'm pretty sure the US DTV channels are available on digital cable as well in many parts of Canada. Would that our video providers and regulators were this enlightened... s From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 24 00:36:10 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:31:00 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124003448.03554ca8@gwind.pair.com> >The betting line in Canada is that most viewers will get their digital/HD >service via either satellite or digital cable. Both of the satellite >providers (Bell ExpressVu and Star Choice) offer the Boston and Seattle >DTV channels (yes, that's right - people in Whitehorse can get WBZ-DT by >satellite, but not people in Walpole) as well as some Canadian HD content. >I'm pretty sure the US DTV channels are available on digital cable as well >in many parts of Canada. I stand (sit?) mildly corrected - just looked at Star Choice again and it offers Seattle and DETROIT. So the hardcore TV geek in Whitehorse actually has three cities' worth of US DTV to choose from. (Not that it would make living in Whitehorse any more appealing, mind you...) s From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 24 00:40:12 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 24 00:40:31 2003 Subject: CBC HD Re: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124002619.035bbfa8@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031124002619.035bbfa8@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <1069652423.1A46BA63@r5.dngr.org> Last night's Hockey Night in Canada was the first major event produced in the country in HDTV. (With the truck coming from New Hampshire) I agree with Scott, the approach of going thru 3 parties to deliver the signal makes far more sense as consumers investing in the equipment will almost certainly go either cable or satellite for programming. On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:27am, Scott Fybush wrote: > At 09:19 PM 11/23/2003 -0800, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> BTW noticed CBC started HDTV Saturday night but from website it looked >> like you needed a third party provider. Do they not have over the air >> DT yet? > > The CBC doesn't, yet. The CRTC and Industry Canada are taking a > hands-off approach to Canada's DTV transition - they've adopted the US > ATSC standards and allocated channels for DTV use in each market, but > there's no requirement that stations build out their DTV facilities nor > any sunset deadline for turning off analog service. Thus far, only > Toronto's independent CITY-TV has built a DTV facility (low power on > channel 53), and a few applications are pending in Toronto (CBC, CTV) > and one or two other large markets. > > The betting line in Canada is that most viewers will get their > digital/HD service via either satellite or digital cable. Both of the > satellite providers (Bell ExpressVu and Star Choice) offer the Boston > and Seattle DTV channels (yes, that's right - people in Whitehorse can > get WBZ-DT by satellite, but not people in Walpole) as well as some > Canadian HD content. I'm pretty sure the US DTV channels are available > on digital cable as well in many parts of Canada. > > Would that our video providers and regulators were this enlightened... > > s http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:46 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:21:18 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031122200134.1516.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1069524946.22C18085@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <3FC15CEE.29916.7DA028@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM > signal, myself; Well, here's another historical trivia question. When were the Sox last heard on FM? Have they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM days? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:46 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:21:33 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <1069565233.30163DE4@r5.dngr.org> References: Message-ID: <3FC15CEE.16338.7DA07C@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 21:27, Kevin Vahey wrote: > In the days before the state run lottery, the mob ran an illegal lottery > and the Record printed the number. And for some time after the advent of the state lottery, too. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:45 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:21:43 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <025301c3b124$c826a260$bc40bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <3FC15CED.21283.7D9FC8@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 10:16, RBB wrote: > In the 1950's, WCRB-FM did a stereo simulcast with WGBH-FM of a Boston > Symphony Orchestra concert as an "experiment" so the listener could > experience "sound-around" stereo as if seated in the concert hall. The > late Bill Busick put the technical audio together for WGBH, there were > four or more microphones suspended in Symphony Hall. Listeners had to > have two FM stereo radios, one tuned to 'GBH the other to 'CRB, with > speakers in four corners of the living room, and "voila" - This can't be right, since there were no FM stereo radios in the 1950s. Either this was a two- channel experiment, whereby two regular FM radios were needed or, if it was a quad-stereo experiment, it had to have taken place sometime in the 60s. > surround-stereo (without commercials). It was a big deal at the time, > thanks to the creative thinking of Bill Busick and perhaps there was only > one (maybe two) performances to experiment dual station stereo. There were quite regular dual-station stereo broadcasts in the late 50s, involving WGBH, WBUR, and WBCN at least. Also, WCRB was regularly broadcasting in stereo by putting one channel on AM and one on FM. WBZ also did stereo that way for one hour on Sunday evening. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:46 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:22:06 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <1069566604.24F8F399@r5.dngr.org> References: <3FC04932.5080405@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <3FC15CEE.362.7DA194@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 21:49, Kevin Vahey wrote: > There was a formula they used adding the payouts of horse races and from > that they came up with a 3 digit number. Course every once in awhile the > bookies would get creamed if they used the number from Suffolk, so they > would call Sam Cohen at the Herald and say run the number from Lincoln or > New York or Frostbite Falls. In any event whatever number was in the > Record is what the corner bookie paid off on. And if any kid asked his teacher why he had to learn arithmetic, here was a great answer! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:45 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:22:18 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <001601c3b142$6ec70340$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3FC15CED.113.7D9D7C@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 20:10, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In the pre-radio days, we would have had the choice of the Herald, the > Traveler, the Afternoon Record, the Daily Advertiser, the Transcript, and > the Post in addition to the Globe and the Evening Globe -- not to mention > the Quincy Patriot-Ledger, the Framingham Evening News, the Waltham Daily > Tribune, the Lynn Daily Evening Item, the Salem Evening News, and several > dozen other papers from nearby communities. Actually, I believe it was the Sunday Advertiser, the Daily Record, and the Evening American, all Hearst papers. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:46 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:22:27 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <20031123135954.15622.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000a01c3b151$225c0870$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FC15CEE.32124.7DA1FE@localhost> On 23 Nov 2003 at 5:59, Bob Nelson wrote: > --A recent Travel Channel documentary about the Little People of > America convention from 2002 in Salt Lake City showed "politically > incorrect" T-shirts being sold by Danny Black, a dwarf who markets > products for and about the short-statured. Referring to the once-common > practice of polygamy by Mormons (now outlawed) as well as a famous > fairy tale, one shirt said "One Wife, Seven Dwarfs: We Had The Idea > First". I wonder how long it will stay outlawed. Now that the courts have held that people have a constitutional right to decide whom to marry, why aren't laws against incest and polygamy also unconstitutional? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:46 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:22:36 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: References: <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3FC15CEE.12445.7DA0D6@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 20:47, Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: > However the Record, Traveler and Advertiser certainly didn't survive as > independent editorial voices with their own points of view and coverage > styles. Actually, it was the Record-American and Advertiser that survived. They were Hearst tabloids until they purchased the name and plant of the Herald-Traveler in 1972. The papers became broadsheet for the awhile and published under the combersome names of "Herald- Traveler-Record-American" and "Sunday Herald-Traveler and Sunday Advertiser." The present-day Herald is really the old Record-American and Sunday Advertiser. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Nov 24 01:20:45 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:24:49 2003 Subject: Fwd: failure notice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FC15CED.13395.7D9F69@localhost> On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:21, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Wait a minute...I believe the short-lived WUPI/WUPY > FM 105.3 in Lynn beat WCRB to the punch. (This is not > a WCRB slam, it was a good station then) I'm pretty sure that WCRB was broadcasting in stereo before WUPY (as it first was called) was even on the air. Donna? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mlaurence@mindspring.com Mon Nov 24 01:28:34 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:28:48 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <20031124042909.30733.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6E361FBE-1E47-11D8-A532-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 11:29 PM, Matthew Osborne wrote: > one of my profs, Linda Rae, used to > work at WLZW (98.7) Utica/Rome which, while she was > there, was CHR WNYZ. One day she told our class about > the day they changed formats from Beautiful Music WIBQ > to WNYZ (I believe it was in 1986). Apparently, > unlike most format changes that come with > announcements, pre-produced imaging and such, this > format change consisted of nothing more than letting > the last BM record fade out, the normal silent periods > between records on that format, then segueing directly > into Twisted Sister's "Were Not Gonna Take It," > followed by "Cum On Feel The Noize" by Quiet Riot. When WBLM, then in Lewiston/Auburn ME started up, they were beautiful music during the day, and hard rock in the evening and overnight. A transition like that would happen every night at 7PM! Mark From hmadjid@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 01:56:01 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Mon Nov 24 01:56:19 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo Message-ID: <20031124065601.72885.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Counselor Ross writes: >There were quite regular dual-station stereo >broadcasts in the late >50s, involving WGBH, >WBUR, and WBCN at least. Also, WCRB was regularly >broadcasting in >stereo by putting >one channel on AM and one on FM. WBZ also did >stereo that way for one >hour on Sunday >evening. Yup that's right before the current system of FM stereo broadcasting was developed (ca late 1950s), with approval by the Friendly Candy Company [FCC] in the early 60s, there were all manner of kludgey schemes proposed just as you describe. By the way, the old HH Scott tuners and receivers from the early 60s which had separate circular tuning dials for AM and FM, were designed receive the scheme you describe where one of the stereo channels would be broadcast on AM. Kind of reminds me of the twin-forked tonearm schemes with separate pickups what were proposed for stereo Lps in the mid 50s. By the way I remember the quadraphonic experiments carried out jointly by WCRB and WGBH in the around 1969 - 1970 or so, where one of the two would broadcast the front channels, and the other would broadcast the rear channels. This was so far back I forgot which station did which. :-) This of course required a listener to have 2 FM tuners and 4 channels of amplification, or 2 receivers. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 24 02:22:15 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 24 02:22:26 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <20031124065601.72885.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031124065601.72885.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1069658539.3ACE6120@w5.dngr.org> I dimly recall some station in Boston claiming at one point they were transmitting a quad signal. WWEL seems to be the one nagging in my head. On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 2:02am, Hakim Madjid wrote: > > By the way I remember the quadraphonic experiments > carried out jointly by WCRB and WGBH in the around > 1969 - 1970 or so, where one of the two would > broadcast the front channels, and the other would > broadcast the rear channels. This was so far back I > forgot which station did which. :-) This of course > required a listener to have 2 FM tuners and 4 channels > of amplification, or 2 receivers. > > > > ===== > 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From hmadjid@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 02:45:14 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Mon Nov 24 02:45:17 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo Message-ID: <20031124074514.12113.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey writes: >I dimly recall some station in Boston claiming at >one point they were transmitting a quad signal. WWEL >seems to be the one nagging in my >head. AFIK, Uncle Charlie never approved (unlike with FM stereo a decade earlier) any sort of quadraphonic standard. So I don't know what the station was really claiming. I only vaguely, if at all, remember the WWEL call letters, as a matter of fact. That being said There were several proposals before the FCC for some sort of 4 channel multiplex, but the whole quadraphonic thing died before any rule making could happen. The issue being moot, the FCC simply dropped it from further consideration. What I understood - I could be wrong - veteran broadcast engineers are welcome to comment - is that the quad matrix systems back then such as the CBS / Columbia records SQ system, you could just broadcast an encoded Lp, it wouldn't require any special equipment on at the station - listeners could just decode it with their SQ enabled equipment. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Nov 24 06:18:43 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon Nov 24 06:18:50 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo References: <20031124074514.12113.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c3b27c$b8ed15a0$6400a8c0@brianhome> > What I understood - I could be wrong - veteran > broadcast engineers are welcome to comment - is that > the quad matrix systems back then such as the CBS / > Columbia records SQ system, you could just broadcast > an encoded Lp, it wouldn't require any special > equipment on at the station - listeners could just > decode it with their SQ enabled equipment. > If the channel phasing didn't get screwed up somewhere in the audio or RF chain, there's no reason that it wouldn't work. FWIW, the CBS/Columbia/Sansui system is also the basis for analog stereo in cinema. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 24 07:20:40 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 24 07:22:30 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <002c01c3b285$96ccbb20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Based on the coverage maps, I think the FCC would approve this hair-brained proposal. I don't think the overlap with a station on Long Island is likely to be deemed material. And there appear to be no overlap issues with WNTN. The salt-water path doesn't bring WNSH's signal far enough inland to produce overlap of 5 mV/m contours with WNTN. HOWEVER, a few weeks back, there were a couple of postings on this list about a fairly large group of Canadian AM stations that the FCC or maybe Industrie Canada considers to be Class As. One would surely think that the currently dark 1570 in Laval (Montreal) could have and should have made it to this list, as the station had a monster nighttime signal that was substantially interference free--at least within Canada. Rumor has it that a CP has been granted to resurrect this station (albeit with 10 kW-U using a two-tower array vs the late CKLM's 50-kW-U using three towers). Regardless of the power, if the Laval allocation is considered to be a Class A, WNSH will have to throttle its CH power WAY back, maybe all the way back to the current 500W. I guess that would make the sunset pattern change a little less ridiculous, but it would also substantially reduce WNSH's AM and PM drive-time power during much of the year. Then there's one more technical issue that, unless I missed something, the engineers seem to have completely overlooked. Perhaps I missed something in my quick read through the application, but unless those three towers were built on truly outsized base insulators, the only way to put that much power into towers designed to handle 1% of the proposed power is to short out the insulators and install skirt-fed radiators (so-called Folded-Unipole antennas). I could have missed it, but I saw no reference in the application to WNSH's current use of Folded Unipoles or to conversion of the series-fed top-loaded towers to skirt-fed radiators. If the plan really is to convert series-fed towers to skirt-fed radiators, there may be an issue with combining the top-loaded and skirt-fed constructions. I know of no station that has done this, but that doesn't mean that there is no such station or that the combination is infeasible. If the towers weren't designed with 50 kW in mind and they can't be converted to Folded Unipoles, then the towers will most likely have to come down and be replaced with new ones. (Maybe, however, the towers can be jacked up and larger base insulators inserted to replace the existing ones. Replacement of base insulators under standing towers is an operation that definitely IS occasionally performed. The operation doesn't always succeed, though. I believe that's how WRCA lost a tower a few years back. The rocky soil at the site certainly wouldn't make the operation any easier.) Anyhow, if the towers must be replaced, even with ones of the same height but with larger base insulators, I think a building permit will be required. In that event, I can imagine the Beverly NIMBYs mobilizing and tying up this proposal indefinitely, even if the FCC approves. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Fybush To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away > Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the "late" > Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him > take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern that > only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: > > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts? context=25&appn=100668225&formid=301&fac_num=22798 > > Details in Monday's NERW...and I can't wait to see Dan Strassberg pick this > one apart! > > s > From sps199@psu.edu Mon Nov 24 07:59:27 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon Nov 24 07:59:36 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <001401c3b28a$ce422c20$33434742@Sean> Scott Fybush writes: << Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the "late" Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern that only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: >> I thought he sold WPEP and his other stations a couple years ago? From nostaticatall@comcast.net Mon Nov 24 09:05:26 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:03:43 2003 Subject: WAAF Worcest..errr... Westborough! References: <002b01c3b03e$14ae3d10$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <3FC21026.7090200@comcast.net> One would think. But check this out...on the east end of Long Island, two stations owned by Jarad Broadcasting (WDRE and WXXP) were recently flagged for having their antennas 30-50 feet higher than authorized by the FCC. Obviously the engineer that climbed up the tower and moved the antennas up knew that it was breaking FCC regulations. He probably figured, "heck it's their license and they're paying me, so what's the difference?" In my experience, nearly all engineers and Operations managers play by the rules. Goofy decisions start happening when you get absentee owners and GM's involved...... Mike Thomas Bill O'Neill wrote: >As cynical as I am these days, I still have a difficult time believing that >engineers privy to "management" even so much as putting their paws even near the >rack wouldn't intervene. The chief operator still has his/her license riding on >good faith efforts to remain within normal limits, tolerances and standards. >Even with deregulation and techs with beepers covering dozens of signals, some >things have to have remained intact. ....Right? > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 24 09:31:25 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:30:18 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> <002c01c3b285$96ccbb20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <015a01c3b297$a520c560$b79ae541@p133> Dan: excellent analysis! your knowledge and intelligence are highly appreciated! with my knowledge being "enough to be dangerous", I completely agree with "hair-brained proposal" a note on effectiveness of WNSH's current site (from KC8LSY's AM-Viewer (of FCC_database) software): the augmentations (to non-engineering folks: that means corrections in theoritical pattern) show a severe loss of signal to the norht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: Re: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away > Based on the coverage maps, I think the FCC would approve this I don't think the overlap with a station on Long Island is likely > to be deemed material. And there appear to be no overlap issues with WNTN. > The salt-water path doesn't bring WNSH's signal far enough inland to produce > overlap of 5 mV/m contours with WNTN. HOWEVER, a few weeks back, there were > a couple of postings on this list about a fairly large group of Canadian AM > stations that the FCC or maybe Industrie Canada considers to be Class As. > One would surely think that the currently dark 1570 in Laval (Montreal) > could have and should have made it to this list, as the station had a > monster nighttime signal that was substantially interference free--at least > within Canada. Rumor has it that a CP has been granted to resurrect this > station (albeit with 10 kW-U using a two-tower array vs the late CKLM's > 50-kW-U using three towers). Regardless of the power, if the Laval > allocation is considered to be a Class A, WNSH will have to throttle its CH > power WAY back, maybe all the way back to the current 500W. I guess that > would make the sunset pattern change a little less ridiculous, but it would > also substantially reduce WNSH's AM and PM drive-time power during much of > the year. > > Then there's one more technical issue that, unless I missed something, the > engineers seem to have completely overlooked. Perhaps I missed something in > my quick read through the application, but unless those three towers were > built on truly outsized base insulators, the only way to put that much power > into towers designed to handle 1% of the proposed power is to short out the > insulators and install skirt-fed radiators (so-called Folded-Unipole > antennas). I could have missed it, but I saw no reference in the application > to WNSH's current use of Folded Unipoles or to conversion of the series-fed > top-loaded towers to skirt-fed radiators. If the plan really is to convert > series-fed towers to skirt-fed radiators, there may be an issue with > combining the top-loaded and skirt-fed constructions. I know of no station > that has done this, but that doesn't mean that there is no such station or > that the combination is infeasible. If the towers weren't designed with 50 > kW in mind and they can't be converted to Folded Unipoles, then the towers > will most likely have to come down and be replaced with new ones. (Maybe, > however, the towers can be jacked up and larger base insulators inserted to > replace the existing ones. Replacement of base insulators under standing > towers is an operation that definitely IS occasionally performed. The > operation doesn't always succeed, though. I believe that's how WRCA lost a > tower a few years back. The rocky soil at the site certainly wouldn't make > the operation any easier.) Anyhow, if the towers must be replaced, even with > ones of the same height but with larger base insulators, I think a building > permit will be required. In that event, I can imagine the Beverly NIMBYs > mobilizing and tying up this proposal indefinitely, even if the FCC > approves. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Fybush > To: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:11 AM > Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away > > > > Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the "late" > > Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him > > take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > > taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern > that > > only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: > > > > > http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts? > context=25&appn=100668225&formid=301&fac_num=22798 > > > > Details in Monday's NERW...and I can't wait to see Dan Strassberg pick > this > > one apart! > > > > s > > > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 24 09:36:13 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:34:59 2003 Subject: Fw: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away Message-ID: <016001c3b298$50592b20$b79ae541@p133> nuts, accidently hit "send"before done. Moderator, please delete previous attempt Dan: excellent analysis! your knowledge and intelligence are highly appreciated! with my knowledge being "enough to be dangerous", I completely agree with "hair-brained proposal" a note on effectiveness of WNSH's current site (from KC8LSY's AM-Viewer (of FCC_database) software): the augmentations (to non-engineering folks: that means corrections in theoritical pattern) show a severe loss of signal to the north-west. if the FCC did approve (in error), the same general loss would still exist. note re WRCA & tower loss several years ago: I live 0.5 miles from the site, and was told by station persons that a truck backed into a guy wire, precipitating the tower drop. -Madprof From nostaticatall@comcast.net Mon Nov 24 09:45:10 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:43:30 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI References: <20031122170358.16012.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC21976.6000704@comcast.net> The Sox currently have a multi year deal in place at WEEI, but there is a clause in the contract that allows the club to opt out of the remainder of the deal at the end of next season if they so choose. I think it might have something to do with the sale of the club a couple of years ago but I'm not sure. Anyway, WEEI definitely wants to keep the Sox if at all possible, which is why Julie Kahn was brought on board as WEEI GM. She has an extensive background in sports talk, and she used to run sports stations in San Francisco and Seattle. There seems to be a "rocky" relationship between the new Sox brass and WEEI, so bringing in a new face to try and mend fences and work out a new rights deal makes sense for Entercom. This move has nothing to do with the Dennis and Callahan/Gorilla situation. It's all about the Sox. Having said that, if the Sox do jump to WBZ, it's not all gloom and doom for WEEI. They've put together a live and local lineup of talkers who do well throughout the year. That won't change if the Sox go away. Sure, the ratings will go down a bit and so will the revenue, but producing sports play-by play is expensive, and those are costs that won't be incurred any longer by Entercom. A Sox-free WEEI would probably wind up being a 3 share station most of the year, which is still better than what most successful sports stations pull around the country. WFAN, despite all of their play by play deals, only gets a 2.5 share most of the time in New York and they are one of the highest billers in the market. A three share WEEI would do just fine. WIP/Philadelphia continues to do well despite not having the play by play rights to the Phillies or the Eagles, the two primary sports franchises in that market. I don't know if they run the Sixers or Flyers games, but those sports aren't anywhere close to being as lucrative as baseball and football. The local all-sports station in Dallas (KTCK I think) doesn't have any play by play on it at all! The bottom line is that WEEI would survive and still make money without the Sox--they just wouldn't be as dominant in the marketplace. Obviously Entercom would like to keep the Sox, but if they don't, they are probably working on a post-Sox contingency plan. Mike Thomas Hakim Madjid wrote: >IMHO WEEI can't afford to lose the 'Sox if they can >help it. The 'Sox are like 90% of what makes that >station. > >However, I thought 'EEIs Red Sox contract still has >several years to run? > >Infinity? Sox on 'BZ perhaps? > >Rumor is strong? What rumor is strong? All I've seen >so far is speculation on various on-line forums. > > > > > > From sven@gordsven.com Mon Nov 24 09:49:50 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Nov 24 09:49:56 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Scott Fybush wrote: > Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him > take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern that Does Ernie Anastos still own WPEP-AM 1570? You think he would let it go dark? -- Sven From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Mon Nov 24 10:43:10 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 24 10:43:15 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: <410-2200311124154310150@sprynet.com> Two ocasions I can remember 1978-WWEL (107.9 Medfud) carried night games only to augment that fine 1510 signal And of course, the WPLM-FM flagship days...though technically there not a "Boston" FM.. Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: A. Joseph Ross > To: Bob Nelson > Cc: boston Radio mailing-list > Date: 11/24/03 1:21:21 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > > On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM > > signal, myself; > > Well, here's another historical trivia question. When were the Sox last heard on FM? Have > they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM days? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 10:54:39 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 24 10:54:43 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <3FC15CEE.29916.7DA028@localhost> Message-ID: <20031124155440.86776.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > Well, here's another historical trivia question. > When were the Sox last heard on FM? Have > they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM > days? WPLM-FM (the Campbell Soup--er, Sports--Network) was the flagship from 1983 through 1989. The following site lists their flagships throughout their history (for many years they've been at 850 on the dial...): http://webpages.charter.net/joekuras/brdcstrs.htm As far as Red Sox on FM OUTSIDE of Boston, I can remember them being on 96.7 (IIRC) in Brattleboro, VT and 102.3 in Manchester, NH, at one point. Currently the Red Sox Radio Network has the following affiliates on FM: WXTK FM 95.1 W. Yarmouth, MA WKXL FM 107.7 Hillsboro, NH WNTK FM 99.7 New London, NH WBYA FM 106.5 Camden, ME WCLZ FM 95.5 Topsham, ME WKTJ FM 99.3 Farmington, ME WHOU FM 100.1 Houlton, ME WIGY FM 97.5 Madison, ME WCTB FM 93.5 Fairfield, ME WTBM FM 100.7 Norway, ME WOXO FM 92.7 Norway, ME WDME FM 103.1 Dover-Foxcroft, ME WDEV FM 96.1 Waterbury, VT In Providence, the Sox are on WPRO 630 but their archrival Yankees are found on FM (WSKO 99.7) From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 24 11:03:02 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 24 10:57:52 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: <001401c3b28a$ce422c20$33434742@Sean> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124110252.036fdd50@gwind.pair.com> At 07:59 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Scott Fybush writes: ><< Going over FCC stuff for tomorrow's NERW tonight, and look what the >"late" >Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let >him >take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > >taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern >that >only the fish could love. Feast your eyes: >> > >I thought he sold WPEP and his other stations a couple years ago? All except WNSH, which he kept. s From scott@fybush.com Mon Nov 24 11:04:31 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Nov 24 10:59:21 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124001008.03589d60@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124110413.03708968@gwind.pair.com> At 09:49 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, Sven Franklyn Weil wrote: >On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Scott Fybush wrote: > > Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him > > take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > > taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College, and a pattern > that > >Does Ernie Anastos still own WPEP-AM 1570? You think he would let it go >dark? According to WNSH's app, that's exactly what the deal entails. s From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Nov 24 11:06:38 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Nov 24 11:08:00 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI References: <410-2200311124154310150@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <001301c3b2a5$1d0c5000$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WDLW (1330 Waltham) also carried Sox night games for one or two seasons after the State St South office complex went up to the west of the old WMEX Tx site in Squantum and completely obliterated 1510's night signal in the western part of the market--even after an improvement to 1510's ground system. 1510's 50-kW day signal remained adequate throughout the market (well, as far west as Route 128, anyhow). -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hopfgarten To: A. Joseph Ross ; Bob Nelson Cc: boston Radio mailing-list Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > Two ocasions I can remember > > 1978-WWEL (107.9 Medfud) carried night games only to augment that fine 1510 > signal > > And of course, the WPLM-FM flagship days...though technically there not a > "Boston" FM.. > > Paul Hopfgarten > > > > [Original Message] > > From: A. Joseph Ross > > To: Bob Nelson > > Cc: boston Radio mailing-list > > Date: 11/24/03 1:21:21 AM > > Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > > > > On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > > > I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM > > > signal, myself; > > > > Well, here's another historical trivia question. When were the Sox last > heard on FM? Have > > they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM days? > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 24 11:54:28 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 24 11:54:32 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <3FC21976.6000704@comcast.net> References: <20031122170358.16012.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> <3FC21976.6000704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200311241654.hAOGsSov026398@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The local all-sports station in Dallas (KTCK I think) doesn't have > any play by play on it at all! In Dallas, unless things have changed recently, it's actually a three-way simulcast, with two AMs (one X-bander) and an 80-90 move-in rimshot FM from the north. Owned by Susquehanna Pfaltzgraff, one of the weirdest combinations of businesses in the broadcasting business. -GAWollman From hmadjid@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 12:07:51 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:08:06 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <004601c3b27c$b8ed15a0$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <20031124170751.28467.qmail@web80005.mail.yahoo.com> --- Brian Vita wrote: > > If the channel phasing didn't get screwed up > somewhere in the audio or RF > chain, there's no reason that it wouldn't work. Yea that's right, I neglected to put that qualifier in my orignal post. Provided that the FM station's engineering wasn't totally flakey as regards to phasing it would work. > FWIW, the > CBS/Columbia/Sansui system is also the basis for > analog stereo in cinema. Yea that too. I have mentioned this several times on this list, that after quadraphonic went down the toilet, Dolby labs, in the late 70s bought the patents to SQ. I thought it kind of funny when Dolby revived the techonlogy, although with some refinements. One small point, IIRC, Sansui had very little to do with the development of the SQ quadraphonic matrix besides being a licensee. SQ was developed by Electro Voice and CBS labs - of course this was so far back I may be getting my history confused. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 24 12:08:19 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:08:29 2003 Subject: Why Willard "Mitt" Romney is Mass. Governor? In-Reply-To: <3FC15CED.113.7D9D7C@localhost> References: <001601c3b142$6ec70340$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> <200311230110.hAN1AYFb016840@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3FC15CED.113.7D9D7C@localhost> Message-ID: <200311241708.hAOH8JxC026508@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Actually, I believe it was the Sunday Advertiser, the Daily Record, > and the Evening American, all Hearst papers. As I mentioned in another message, it all depends on what time period you're looking at. Hearst changed around the names of his Boston papers more than once. -GAWollman From sps199@psu.edu Mon Nov 24 12:18:28 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:18:36 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <200311241654.hAOGsSov026398@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000501c3b2ae$fd422510$33434742@Sean> Garrett wrote: << In Dallas, unless things have changed recently, it's actually a three-way simulcast, with two AMs (one X-bander) and an 80-90 move-in rimshot FM from the north. Owned by Susquehanna Pfaltzgraff, one of the weirdest combinations of businesses in the broadcasting business. >> I thought Susquehanna owned ESPN 103 in Dallas and, if I'm correct, they own rights to the Mavs. From miscon@miscon.net Mon Nov 24 12:19:42 2003 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:20:01 2003 Subject: Sox on FM (was: Shake-up at WEEI) Message-ID: <200311241219.AA107937876@miscon.net> Well, I know that the Sox were on 97.3 (WJFD) from 1989 through 1993 - in Spanish! Does that count? Mike ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "A. Joseph Ross" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:20:46 -0500 >On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM >> signal, myself; > >Well, here's another historical trivia question. When were the Sox last heard on FM? Have >they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM days? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From hmadjid@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 12:26:37 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:26:51 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <3FC21976.6000704@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031124172637.51225.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nostaticatall wrote: > There seems > to be a "rocky" relationship between the new Sox > brass and WEEI, so > bringing in a new face to try and mend fences and > work out a new rights > deal makes sense for Entercom. This move has > nothing to do with the > Dennis and Callahan/Gorilla situation. It's all > about the Sox. Except for the fact that the Red Sox brass might begin to have their doubts, given all the bad publicity over the Dennis and Callahan Gorilla situation. > A > Sox-free WEEI would > probably wind up being a 3 share station most of the > year, which is > still better than what most successful sports > stations pull around the > country. WFAN, despite all of their play by play > deals, only gets a 2.5 > share most of the time in New York and they are one > of the highest I wonder what WAFN's numbers would be if they had the Yankees rights instead of the Mets. > Entercom would like to keep the Sox, but if they > don't, they are > probably working on a post-Sox contingency plan. What would the contingency plan be, I wonder? I am amused that after WEEI lost the Celtics rights, on Celtics game nights, Ted Sarandis prattles on and on about BC basketball, instead of the Celtics - almost as if there's sour grapes at 'EEI over the loss of the Celtics contract. Let's face it, except among some alumni/ae college sports simply do not have the following of the pro teams around here. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Nov 24 12:28:10 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:28:13 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031124155440.86776.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3FC15CEE.29916.7DA028@localhost> <20031124155440.86776.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60923.216.204.15.170.1069694890.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote... > > As far as Red Sox on FM OUTSIDE of Boston, I can > remember them being on 96.7 (IIRC) in Brattleboro, > VT and 102.3 in Manchester, NH, at one point. 102.3 is in Concord, not Manchester and they did carry the Sox pre-2000 when they were WKXL-FM (mostly simulcasting 1450 AM). > Currently the Red Sox Radio Network has the following > affiliates on FM: > WKXL FM 107.7 Hillsboro, NH Sigh. Why can't networks get the call letters of their affiliates right? 107.7 has been WTPL for almost 2 years. From sps199@psu.edu Mon Nov 24 12:36:18 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon Nov 24 12:36:22 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031124172637.51225.qmail@web80012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c3b2b1$77fb76b0$33434742@Sean> Hakim writes: << I wonder what WAFN's numbers would be if they had the Yankees rights instead of the Mets. >> What is the thinking on having WCBS keep the Yankees, and not sending them over to WFAN? Did Infinity feel WCBS needed more ratings help than WFAN? If the line of thinking was, "We'll just put baseball on there so people wake up to all-news in the morning," the Mets would do the trick, too. From sven@gordsven.com Mon Nov 24 13:00:07 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:00:34 2003 Subject: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <000801c3b2b1$77fb76b0$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Sean Smyth wrote: > WFAN? If the line of thinking was, "We'll just put baseball on there so > people wake up to all-news in the morning," the Mets would do the trick, > too. The idea is to get the baseball listener market locked up. Doesn't matter if you're listening to Mets or Yankees. You're listening to an INFINITY station instead of someone else's. And it wouldn't have made sense to cannibalize Infinity's highest billing station (Sports Radio 66) to bring the Mets to News Radio 88. The Mets have been on AM 66 forever.... -- Sven From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Mon Nov 24 13:10:17 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:11:20 2003 Subject: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <3FC24989.14218142@Programmer.Net> First noted Friday Afternoon/Evening, WFXT-25 has been on reduced power (real "snowy")--also, WPLM has been with mildly reduced power for the last few days (though not as low as earlier last week: It's still $tereo strong, albeit noticeably weaker). First noticed this morning at 9:05am by YT, WODS-103.3 has become the first (and only?) Boston station to go holiday music for the next month. ~Kaimbridge~ (BTW, some nice tropo experienced this morning: Even noted a flat layer of smoke/smog over towards Charlestown--a well known sign of temperature inversion/ducting! P=) ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From billo@shoreham.net Mon Nov 24 13:16:51 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:22:06 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <3FC15CEE.29916.7DA028@localhost> Message-ID: <00cf01c3b2b7$dab8f6a0$5a521341@boneill> That would be WPLM (99.1 Plymouth Duster) > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf > Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:21 AM > To: Bob Nelson > Cc: boston Radio mailing-list > Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > > > On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > I'd love to hear the Sox on a clear FM > > signal, myself; > > Well, here's another historical trivia question. When were > the Sox last heard on FM? Have > they been on FM at all since the old WHDH-AM & FM days? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Nov 24 13:55:00 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:55:05 2003 Subject: WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <3FC24989.14218142@Programmer.Net> References: <3FC24989.14218142@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <61863.216.204.15.170.1069700100.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > First noticed this morning at 9:05am by YT, WODS-103.3 has become the > first (and only?) Boston station to go holiday music for the next > month. Did they start it at 9? At 5:30 they were playing normal stuff. Seems an odd format to go all-Christmas with...how much Christmas music is compatable with an oldies format, or are they playing a lot of standards (as WXKS/whatever satellite service they use did last year). From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 13:58:03 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 24 13:58:06 2003 Subject: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <3FC24989.14218142@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <20031124185803.3015.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" wrote: > First noticed this morning at 9:05am by YT, > WODS-103.3 has become the > first (and only?) Boston station to go holiday music > for the next > month. Will WROR counter-program by playing mostly regular format stuff, with only a dash of Christmas tunes; with more and more Christmas being added until a 2 or 3 day period of all Christmas just before the holiday? Admittedly 'ROR and 'ODS are not identical formats-- oldies of 60s and 70s vs. classic rock of 60s/70s/80s-- but some of their artists/songs do overlap. Bob Bittner has mentioned his policy of slowly but surely adding more and more Yule to the mix, then maybe having a festival of holiday tunes just around the holiday. Maybe 'ODS figures people will "Need a little Christmas, right this very minute" (as the song from "Mame" goes) and the music will put them in a jovial mood--and maybe retailers will play WODS in their shops. Christmas tunes can indeed be fun but you wonder if there's some overkill here. What's next: who's the first station to go all-Christmas by Halloween? Columbus Day? Labor Day? :) (OK, admittedly the "holiday season" is said to start with T-giving and 'ODS is just jumping in a bit early...but what's wrong with slowly adding more and more? I'd guess those who aren't quite ready for all Kris Kringle all the time but still want to hear oldies or classic rock will find themselves going to other oldies/classic rock stations. That is, till THEY jump on the bandwagon too :) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 13:59:59 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Nov 24 14:00:02 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <60923.216.204.15.170.1069694890.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031124185959.92013.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > 102.3 is in Concord, not Manchester and they did > carry the Sox pre-2000 > when they were WKXL-FM (mostly simulcasting 1450 > AM). Ah, right--was almost gonna type in Concord but I thought, "no, wait, maybe they're in Manchester..." Should've gone with my first instinct! > > WKXL FM 107.7 Hillsboro, NH > > Sigh. Why can't networks get the call letters of > their affiliates right? > 107.7 has been WTPL for almost 2 years. Yup--was going by "Red Sox Radio Network" on the WEEI site. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Nov 24 15:37:29 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon Nov 24 15:29:37 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <20031124065601.72885.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 11/24/03 1:56 AM, "Hakim Madjid" wrote: > By the way I remember the quadraphonic experiments > carried out jointly by WCRB and WGBH in the around > 1969 - 1970 or so, where one of the two would > broadcast the front channels, and the other would > broadcast the rear channels. This was so far back I > forgot which station did which. :-) This of course > required a listener to have 2 FM tuners and 4 channels > of amplification, or 2 receivers. I recall that there was a series of rock concerts in the early 70's in which the front two channels were broadcast on WBCN, the two rear channels were broadcast on WGBH, and the picture (mostly shots of the bands performance superimposed over swirling "psychedelic" graphics) was on PBS-TV, I think it was Ch. 44 rather than Ch. 2. WBCN even had an on-air "match up" service to help listeners in the same towns join their stereo and video systems together (and make little parties of it). This was back when "FM underground" rock stations performed such hippie-era services as "ride boards", etc.. If I recall correctly, some of the bands that may have appeared on this short-lived series included the Jefferson Airplane, Santana, The Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd. Eli Polonsky From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 24 16:59:21 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 24 16:59:40 2003 Subject: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:10:17 >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: B-R-I >First noted Friday Afternoon/Evening, WFXT-25 has >been on reduced >power (real "snowy")-- I have a TV in the kitchen not connected to cable, and I was trying to watch the Fox broadcast version of "Fox New Sunday" while munching breakfast. Ch. 25 was in fact very snowy, so I couldn't get Snow (Tony that is) because of the snow. I haven't checked it so far today. BTW, I'm not sure WBPS-AM 890 in powering down at 4:30... it came in fairly well into the Merimack Valley after sunset. This never happened during the C-Net days. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 24 17:05:27 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:05:43 2003 Subject: Early Boston Stereo FM Message-ID: This had the title 'Error Notice" because in my original post, I typed booston-radio-intererest and didn't catch it. Maybe by fixing the title, some will read it, such as Donna. -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:20:45 From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: lglavin@lycos.com Cc: boston Radio mailing-list On 22 Nov 2003 at 12:21, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Wait a minute...I believe the short-lived WUPI/WUPY > FM 105.3 in Lynn beat WCRB to the punch. (This is not > a WCRB slam, it was a good station then) I'm pretty sure that WCRB was broadcasting in stereo before WUPY (as it first was called) was even on the air. Donna? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 24 17:17:55 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:18:09 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:49:50 >From: Sven Franklyn Weil >To: Scott Fybush >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Scott Fybush wrote: > Keating Willcox has come up with for WNSH: he's asking the FCC to let him > take WNSH to 50kw by day (85 whopping ND watts at night) in exchange for > taking WPEP dark. Same three towers at Endicott College... Three towers? When I reconnoitered that portion of the Endicott Campus, I only saw ONE tower. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 24 17:24:39 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:24:54 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Dentist Office Radio Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:28:34 >From: Mark Laurence >To: Matthew Osborne >Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.o >When WBLM, then in Lewiston/Auburn ME started up, >they were beautiful >music during the day, and hard rock in the evening >and overnight. A >transition like that would happen every night at 7PM! Something similar happens now at Hahvud's WHRB; at about 10:00 pm, the classical programming stops at that hour and pretty brutal (I've been told) hard rock commences. I don't receive WHRB well at home (I use it mostly on the highway) so I've never experienced this switch...maybe one of you has and can describe it. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Mon Nov 24 17:43:54 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:44:01 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: <410-2200311124224354180@sprynet.com> At least they didn't say WRCI 107.7 (I-93/I-107 days...) Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: SteveOrdinetz > To: > Date: 11/24/03 12:28:20 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI > > Bob Nelson wrote... > > > > As far as Red Sox on FM OUTSIDE of Boston, I can > > remember them being on 96.7 (IIRC) in Brattleboro, > > VT and 102.3 in Manchester, NH, at one point. > > > 102.3 is in Concord, not Manchester and they did carry the Sox pre-2000 > when they were WKXL-FM (mostly simulcasting 1450 AM). > > > > Currently the Red Sox Radio Network has the following > > affiliates on FM: > > WKXL FM 107.7 Hillsboro, NH > > Sigh. Why can't networks get the call letters of their affiliates right? > 107.7 has been WTPL for almost 2 years. > From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Mon Nov 24 17:48:40 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 24 17:48:44 2003 Subject: WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <410-2200311124224840460@sprynet.com> They were talking about this on CNN HN, how 300(?) stations nationwide have gone "All-XMas", and that 2 FMs in New Orleans (no calls mentioned) that went all Xmas got many complaints, and switched back to 'normal' format(s). Maybe 'ODS got complaints as well....and is this an Infinity phenominon, send one station in each city to Xmas? Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: SteveOrdinetz > To: > Date: 11/24/03 1:55:08 PM > Subject: Re: WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' > > > First noticed this morning at 9:05am by YT, WODS-103.3 has become the > > first (and only?) Boston station to go holiday music for the next > > month. > > Did they start it at 9? At 5:30 they were playing normal stuff. > > Seems an odd format to go all-Christmas with...how much Christmas music is > compatable with an oldies format, or are they playing a lot of standards > (as WXKS/whatever satellite service they use did last year). > From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Mon Nov 24 17:56:21 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Nov 24 18:15:07 2003 Subject: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <410-220031112422562110@sprynet.com> Isn't 890 now WAMG (taking the calls from 1150)? Also, I noticed even a stronger Daytime signal on 890 recently here in Derry... Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: Laurence Glavin > To: > Date: 11/24/03 4:59:21 PM > Subject: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' > > >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:10:17 > >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" > >To: B-R-I > > >First noted Friday Afternoon/Evening, WFXT-25 has >been on reduced > >power (real "snowy")-- > > I have a TV in the kitchen not connected to cable, and > I was trying to watch the Fox broadcast version > of "Fox New Sunday" while munching breakfast. Ch. 25 > was in fact very snowy, so I couldn't get Snow (Tony that is) > because of the snow. I haven't checked it so far today. > > BTW, I'm not sure WBPS-AM 890 in powering down at 4:30... > it came in fairly well into the Merimack Valley after sunset. > This never happened during the C-Net days. > > Laurence Glavin > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Nov 24 18:36:38 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Nov 24 18:36:58 2003 Subject: More Solar 'Agita' Message-ID: The Sun is belching earthward again, although presumably not so powerfully as last month. Cloudy skies over the northeast are forecast, so little chance of an aurora... but maybe nighttime radio silence will reoccur. Hope so. Incidentally, this activity could impede the Mar mission already in progress; read all about it at: http://planetary.org/html/news/articlearchive/headlines/2003/flightpath-to-mars3.html Laurence 'Zvezdoliki' Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From sgitschier@cfl.rr.com Mon Nov 24 19:05:00 2003 From: sgitschier@cfl.rr.com (Sandra Gitschier) Date: Mon Nov 24 19:05:07 2003 Subject: WEEI 590 heard in Alabama in 1953/4 References: Message-ID: <000c01c3b2e7$c519ae90$37a40843@gitschierzoo> I just located an aircheck tape of AM stations recorded in 1953 and 1954. Recorded in Birmingham, AL (or nearby that region). WEEI 590 came in pretty clear pre-sunrise. I am processing the tape and clips and later down the line will make an mp3 for those interested. Ron Gitschier Formerly Lowell, MA Palm Coast, FL wgsr1570@nrcdxas.org From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Nov 24 19:16:32 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Nov 24 19:11:53 2003 Subject: "Let It Be... Half-Naked" on 'ODS Message-ID: <200311241916.AA1287389252@mail.ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote >I cannot even begin to put into words the feeling of nostalgia that >came over me as I drove home and listened to the Beatles on WBZ. It >brought back memories of those days in the late 60s when WBZ still >played music-- Bruce Bradley was a personal fave of mine, and he loved >the Beatles. But then, who didn't? It felt a bit surreal listening to >music on WBZ-- and yet, it fit somehow. These days, there is so >little music on AM and so little unique programming. I commend Peter >Casey for putting the Beatles special on the station. (Maybe one of >these days, we will also hear a WBZ top-40 Reunion-- imagine getting >Bruce Bradley, Jefferson Kaye, Jay Dunn, Dick Summer and others >together to re-create what Boston's AM stations used to do so well...) I guess I missed much of this thread. It all got caught in my spam filter as rated-XXX. Who knew? Sununu? From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 24 21:38:35 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Mon Nov 24 21:40:07 2003 Subject: WEEI 590 heard in Alabama in 1953/4 References: <000c01c3b2e7$c519ae90$37a40843@gitschierzoo> Message-ID: <00e801c3b2fd$98b3dc20$c0fce341@p133> And that was when WEEI was still 5k at the Revere site! Long before WEEI took the formet WHDH(AM) site & went to 50k on 850 -Madprof ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Gitschier" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: WEEI 590 heard in Alabama in 1953/4 > I just located an aircheck tape of AM stations recorded in 1953 and 1954. > Recorded in Birmingham, AL (or nearby that region). > > WEEI 590 came in pretty clear pre-sunrise. I am processing the tape and > clips and later down the line will make an mp3 for those interested. > > Ron Gitschier > Formerly Lowell, MA > Palm Coast, FL > wgsr1570@nrcdxas.org > > > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Nov 24 21:44:43 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Nov 24 21:45:19 2003 Subject: WEEI 590 heard in Alabama in 1953/4 In-Reply-To: <00e801c3b2fd$98b3dc20$c0fce341@p133> References: <000c01c3b2e7$c519ae90$37a40843@gitschierzoo> <00e801c3b2fd$98b3dc20$c0fce341@p133> Message-ID: <200311250244.hAP2ihIo029737@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > And that was when WEEI was still 5k at the Revere site! Long before > WEEI took the formet WHDH(AM) site & went to 50k on 850 WEEI, the station, never moved to 850. The owners of 850 bought WEEI's programming and callsign. The station that was WEEI is still on 590, now WEZE. I don't think it was ever in Revere, either, although you'd probably have to study microfiche in the National Archives to be absolutely certain. -GAWollman From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Nov 24 21:47:30 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon Nov 24 21:48:27 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <20031124074514.12113.qmail@web80011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031124213833.02362aa0@pop.gis.net> > >What I understood - I could be wrong - veteran >broadcast engineers are welcome to comment - is that >the quad matrix systems back then such as the CBS / >Columbia records SQ system, you could just broadcast >an encoded Lp, it wouldn't require any special >equipment on at the station - listeners could just >decode it with their SQ enabled equipment. That is correct. The record was encoded with the 4 channels so no further processing was needed. At WEZO (Rochester, NY - 101.3), we used to have a 4 channel tape player which fed a Sony SQ encoder for an hour each evening in 1975-76. Don't think anyone knew / cared / listened for it. Dropped program after a year. No one complained. At the time there were 3 different / competing systems. SQ from Sony / CBS. Sansui's QS and another which I can't recall. Consumers did not know which to support which helped to kill the whole idea. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Nov 24 22:45:36 2003 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon Nov 24 22:41:37 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 Message-ID: <003a01c3b306$96257a00$6401a8c0@LizardHome> After listening this evening, it appears they are serious about playing Christmas tunes until the 25th. It doesn't have many of the earmarks of a stunt. Not ludicrous, not extreme e.g. playing the same tune over and over agin 24 hours a day, not totally automated, all staff blown out, etc... This could be the start of a new era in subtle, logical, believeable stunting. However oxymoronic that might sound. From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Nov 24 23:05:56 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Nov 24 23:06:17 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <003a01c3b306$96257a00$6401a8c0@LizardHome> References: <003a01c3b306$96257a00$6401a8c0@LizardHome> Message-ID: <1069733161.4156CE0@r5.dngr.org> Don't be surprised if come January we may have a FM sports talker. *and a new home for Glenn Ordway and the Sox* EEi lowballed Ordway and he has been shopping, and word this morning is he landed at Infinity On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:52pm, Roger Kirk wrote: > After listening this evening, it appears they are serious about playing > Christmas tunes until the 25th. It doesn't have many of the earmarks > of a > stunt. Not ludicrous, not extreme e.g. playing the same tune over and > over > agin 24 hours a day, not totally automated, all staff blown out, etc... > > This could be the start of a new era in subtle, logical, believeable > stunting. However oxymoronic that might sound. http://www.royalrooters.com/donations.htm From oldradio@earthlink.net Mon Nov 24 23:18:00 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Mon Nov 24 23:18:06 2003 Subject: Warren Spahn, Hall-Of-Fame Pitcher, 82 Message-ID: <009601c3b30b$1db43f70$8641bb3f@S0031698896> > Hall-Of-Fame Boston Pitcher Warren Spahn Dead at 82 > > BROKEN ARROW, Okla. (Reuters) - Hall-of-Fame pitcher Warren Spahn, who > won more games than any other left-hander in U.S. baseball history and > threw two no-hitters, died on Monday at 82, the Atlanta Braves said. > > Spahn, a lanky 14-time all-star who won 363 games during his 21-year > career and was considered among the best pitchers of his era, passed > away at his home in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, the team said. > > The left-hander, who spent most of his career with the Boston and > Milwaukee Braves and was known for his stamina and longevity, holds the > lifetime record for innings pitched despite missing three seasons while > serving in the U.S. Army during World War II. He also pitched briefly > for the New York Mets and San Francisco Giants. He lost 245 games and > had a career earned run average of 3.09. > > Spahn is known for the 1948 season, when he and right-hander Johnny > Sain carried the usually hapless Boston Braves to a rare pennant, > spawning one of the games greatest slogans: "Spahn and Sain and two > days of rain." > > "It's not so much my pitching people know, but that little poem about > me and Johnny Sain and the '48 Braves," he once said. "Guys who were > kids 40 years ago learned it as a nursery rhyme. Now they meet me and > say 'Oh, you are that Spahn."' > > He is also remembered for a legendary 1963 pitching duel against San > Francisco Giants right-hander Juan Marichal. > > The 42-year-old Spahn and 25-year-old Marichal both threw shutouts for > 16 innings -- until Willie Mays won it for the Giants with a solo home > run well after midnight in San Francisco. > > Both men repeatedly refused to quit, with Marichal telling manager > Alvin Dark that he could not come out of the game as long as his > 42-year-old opponent was still on the mound. > > Spahn also completed nearly 60 percent of the games he started over his > career -- a statistic that would be unheard of for today's pitchers, > who are almost always replaced in the late innings by a reliever. > > Funeral arrangements for Spahn, a native of Buffalo, New York, who was > elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1973, were pending. > > > Deathwatch mailing list > Deathwatch@slick.org > http://slick.org/mailman/listinfo/deathwatch > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 24 23:32:24 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Mon Nov 24 23:31:11 2003 Subject: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away 3 towers References: Message-ID: <005c01c3b30d$20952d60$98fce341@p133> FCC's AM Query showed 3 when I checked in Sept, & still does now, including for the 50kd app. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: WNSH to 50kw, WPEP goes away > Three towers? When I reconnoitered that portion of the > Endicott Campus, I only saw ONE tower. > > Laurence Glavin > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 25 00:47:50 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 25 00:48:45 2003 Subject: This week's LTAR Message-ID: <3FC2A6B6.9076.2E41C6C@localhost> Bob speculated this week that WMUA at UMass in Amherst might soon change its call letters to WUMA, to fit the pattern of the other campuses. Actually, I doubt it. WMUA as a station was student-initiated and has been student-run and student-financed, and a call-letter change would not happen unless it came from the students. And, the WMUA call already reflects the school's current name, unlike WJUL, which was based on it being University of Lowell. WMUA's studios are located in a student activities building, not an academic building, and its transmitter is atop a residence hall. At UMass, the ownership and financing of residence halls and student activities buildings are different from academic buildings. As a result, political and religious activities are allowed in those buildings, which is not always allowed in academic buildings. While WMUA's license is held by the Board of Trustees, if the University were to try to take over the station from the students, there would be widespread student and alumni protests. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 25 00:47:50 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 25 00:49:00 2003 Subject: Warren Spahn, Hall-Of-Fame Pitcher, 82 In-Reply-To: <009601c3b30b$1db43f70$8641bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <3FC2A6B6.32125.2E41D46@localhost> On 24 Nov 2003 at 20:18, RBB wrote: > > Spahn is known for the 1948 season, when he and right-hander Johnny Sain > > carried the usually hapless Boston Braves to a rare pennant, spawning > > one of the games greatest slogans: "Spahn and Sain and two days of > > rain." My father said it as "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 25 00:47:50 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 25 00:49:14 2003 Subject: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: <20031124155440.86776.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3FC15CEE.29916.7DA028@localhost> Message-ID: <3FC2A6B6.8235.2E41C04@localhost> On 24 Nov 2003 at 7:54, Bob Nelson wrote: > WPLM-FM (the Campbell Soup--er, Sports--Network) > was the flagship from 1983 through 1989. The following > site lists their flagships throughout their history > (for many years they've been at 850 on > the dial...): > > http://webpages.charter.net/joekuras/brdcstrs.htm It's wrong on at least one entry, where it says that WHDH 5 was the TV flagship for the 1957 season. WHDH-TV 5 didn't come on the air until November 1957. I also question where it lists both WBZ 4 and WNAC 7 as TV flagships for previous years. My memory is that it was Channel 4 that was carrying Red Sox games. I believe the Braves were on 7 for awhile before they moved to Milwaukee. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Nov 25 00:47:50 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Nov 25 00:49:25 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <20031124065601.72885.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC2A6B6.14249.2E41B87@localhost> On 23 Nov 2003 at 22:56, Hakim Madjid wrote: > By the way, the > old HH Scott tuners and receivers from the early 60s > which had separate circular tuning dials for AM and > FM, were designed receive the scheme you describe > where one of the stereo channels would be broadcast on > AM. My parents had one of those. There was a small slide switch on the tuner chassis to select FM stereo or AM-FM stereo. In the latter mode, AM played through one channel and FM the other, and each could be tuned separately to the desired station. But we never used it that way, since by then, FM stereo was widespread. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Nov 25 01:48:06 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Nov 25 01:40:12 2003 Subject: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: <200311242244.hAOMiCxN081088@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: > From: "Laurence Glavin" > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:24:39 -0500 > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Fwd: Re: Dentist Office Radio > >> DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:28:34 >> From: Mark Laurence >> To: Matthew Osborne >> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.o > >> When WBLM, then in Lewiston/Auburn ME started up, >they were beautiful >> music during the day, and hard rock in the evening >and overnight. A >> transition like that would happen every night at 7PM! > > > Something similar happens now at Hahvud's WHRB; at about > 10:00 pm, the classical programming stops at that hour and > pretty brutal (I've been told) hard rock commences. > I don't receive WHRB well at home (I use it mostly on the highway) > so I've never experienced this switch...maybe one of you > has and can describe it. Though they have a commercial license, WHRB is still a (mostly) student run and staffed college station. It's much more expected to hear a wide variety of programs and formats, sometimes with very incongruous transitions, on a student run college station rather than on a commercial station (or a formatted professional public station). Eli Polonsky From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Nov 25 01:57:10 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Nov 25 01:49:14 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: <200311241608.hAOG8BxN079708@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: > From: Kevin Vahey > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:22:15 -0800 > To: Hakim Madjid , lawyer@attorneyross.com, > oldradio@earthlink.net > Cc: Boston Radio > Subject: Re: WCRB-FM Stereo > > I dimly recall some station in Boston claiming at one point they were > transmitting a quad signal. WWEL seems to be the one nagging in my > head. For a short time around 1973 or 1974 WBCN was broadcasting in a kind of "fake quadraphonic" which seemed to involve sending a certain range of the audio frequencies out of phase, which sent those frequencies to the rear speakers. It sounded a bit strange in regular stereo, like there was some phase error, and it sounded somewhat tinny in mono due to phase cancellation. I never had a "quad" receiver to check it out in it's glory. I wonder if any of them ever show up on eBay? That's now about the only place you can get an AM stereo these days. Eli Polonsky From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Nov 25 02:31:46 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue Nov 25 02:32:50 2003 Subject: Early Boston Stereo FM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031125022759.023f8a90@pop.registeredsite.com> >it was asked-- > >I'm pretty sure that WCRB was broadcasting in stereo before WUPY (as it >first was called) >was even on the air. I didn't know the answer right away, which is why I didn't respond. My 1963 Radio/TV Annual does list both WUPY and WCRB, and it lists BOTH as broadcasting in stereo... it also says WBCN and WTAG in Worcester are broadcasting in stereo that year...Let me see if I can find out who did it first. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 03:12:37 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 25 03:12:41 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <1069733161.4156CE0@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031125081237.34480.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Don't be surprised if come January we may have a FM > sports talker. *and > a new home for Glenn Ordway and the Sox* Hmm-- the possibilities: --The new sports talker is Infinity's WODS 103.3, and 'EEI-ers go there. Call letters stand for "Ordway Does Sports" :) Sensing an oldies void in the market, Entercom's 93.7 brings back the "Blue Suede Radio" format they used to have. Paging Cheryl Ann Gowdy :) OR... --Entercom keeps 93.7 and flips it to sports talk, possibly with the Sox, too. The signal does pretty well and they could add some AM affiliates where it's weak (for Sox games) OR --The Sox/NESN buy 93.7 from Entercom and WSOX Sports Talk 93.7 is on the air, probably with WEEI's intellectual property (no jokes :) ) and AM 850 goes to another format. OR --WEEI sports talk moves to 93.7 but the Sox decide to put their games on WBZ... But who knows! From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 03:21:56 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 25 03:22:05 2003 Subject: WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <410-2200311124224840460@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20031125082156.53526.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: 2 FMs in New Orleans (no > calls mentioned) that > went all Xmas got many complaints, and switched back > to 'normal' format(s). I heard 'ODS say it's "Our Christmas gift to you; Christmas oldies and more". Question is, what is the "and more"? Does that mean they'll play Christmas tunes AND some non-Christmas ones as well, or does it mean they're definitely all-Christmas but not every Yule tune they'll play is an oldie? Wonder if they'll get complaints. While some may call in and praise them I'm sure they're also getting calls and emails from listeners who a)wish they could hear regular oldies again-- "it's too early for Christmas tunes!" OR b)concerned listeners who wonder if a format change is coming. > Maybe 'ODS got complaints as well....and is this an > Infinity phenominon, > send one station in each city to Xmas? OK, Infinity has 'ODS, Entercom has 'QSX...does this mean Greater Media jumps in with 'MJX? Each company having ONE station in town doing Christmas? Also: will 'ODS "all Christmas" affect their Thu. night countdown show (probably pre-empted this week anyway) or "Lost 45s", or will there be an all-Christmas countdown and/or week after week of all-Christmas Lost 45s? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 03:25:36 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Nov 25 03:25:40 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Dentist Office Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031125082536.39246.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > Something similar happens now at Hahvud's WHRB; at > about > 10:00 pm, the classical programming stops at that > hour and > pretty brutal (I've been told) hard rock commences. This isn't really the same thing, but years ago WMWM had a hard rock show on Saturday night 9 to midnight. We went off the air at midnight then went back on Sunday morning at 7 am with contemporary Christian followed at 9 am by country. How about someone listening to the rock/metal show on Sat. night, turning off their radio, then waking up to Christian music or Garth Brooks? :) From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 04:36:19 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue Nov 25 04:36:23 2003 Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM Message-ID: <20031125093619.98061.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Heard for the first time, (and I'm always checking). 87.7 FM in Nashua, with a very, very strong signal on Amherst Street (Rte 101A) near the backside of the airport (Cotton Road area). Playing what I would call World Music or African Music. I've also been hearing a station in Lawrence MA area on 1700 AM again for the last two weeks. John East Derry N1QGS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Tue Nov 25 08:22:12 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 25 08:22:16 2003 Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM Message-ID: <410-2200311225132212120@sprynet.com> Two X-Band stations have been on air in Manchester 1620 operating at the lower power of the 2, basically from about 1 mile north to 1 mile south of Exit 10 (Rte 3A..near the new Target store in Hooksett) with some kind of rock-ish format. 1700 operating at the higher power, covers virtually all of Manchester, my guess is the signal emulating from the Downtown area, plays a R&B type format. The times I've listened, I've heard no voices, only continuos musi. Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: John Bolduc > To: > Date: 11/25/03 4:36:45 AM > Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM > > Heard for the first time, (and I'm always checking). > > 87.7 FM in Nashua, with a very, very strong signal on Amherst Street (Rte > 101A) near the backside of the airport (Cotton Road area). > > Playing what I would call World Music or African Music. > > > I've also been hearing a station in Lawrence MA area on 1700 AM again for > the last two weeks. > > > John > East Derry > N1QGS > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Tue Nov 25 08:23:49 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 25 08:23:51 2003 Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM Message-ID: <410-2200311225132349500@sprynet.com> PS: I have also heard the Spanish God Talk on 1700 Lawrence. Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: John Bolduc > To: > Date: 11/25/03 4:36:45 AM > Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM > > Heard for the first time, (and I'm always checking). > > 87.7 FM in Nashua, with a very, very strong signal on Amherst Street (Rte > 101A) near the backside of the airport (Cotton Road area). > > Playing what I would call World Music or African Music. > > > I've also been hearing a station in Lawrence MA area on 1700 AM again for > the last two weeks. > > > John > East Derry > N1QGS > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ From radiotony@comcast.net Tue Nov 25 08:39:02 2003 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Tue Nov 25 08:39:20 2003 Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM References: <20031125093619.98061.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c3b359$7d788ee0$6400a8c0@tony> I think I may have heard these station last night when I was on Route 3 around 10:30 p.m. I was scanning the dial and came across some world music before hitting WEVO [89.1] in the scan and I said to myself, What the hell was that? I then tried to spin back but couldn't find it. However, it must be a pretty strong signal because it sounded strong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:36 AM Subject: New Nashua Pirate Radio 87.7 FM > Heard for the first time, (and I'm always checking). > > 87.7 FM in Nashua, with a very, very strong signal on Amherst Street (Rte > 101A) near the backside of the airport (Cotton Road area). > > Playing what I would call World Music or African Music. > > > I've also been hearing a station in Lawrence MA area on 1700 AM again for > the last two weeks. > > > John > East Derry > N1QGS > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ From hmadjid@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 11:13:12 2003 From: hmadjid@yahoo.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Tue Nov 25 11:13:17 2003 Subject: WCRB-FM Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031125161312.58116.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eli Polonsky wrote: > I recall that there was a series of rock concerts in > the early 70's > in which the front two channels were broadcast on > WBCN, the two > rear channels were broadcast on WGBH, and the > picture (mostly shots > of the bands performance superimposed over swirling > "psychedelic" > graphics) was on PBS-TV, I think it was Ch. 44 > rather than Ch. 2. > > WBCN even had an on-air "match up" service to help > listeners in the > same towns join their stereo and video systems > together (and make > little parties of it). This was back when "FM > underground" rock > stations performed such hippie-era services as "ride > boards", etc.. > > If I recall correctly, some of the bands that may > have appeared on > this short-lived series included the Jefferson > Airplane, Santana, > The Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd. > You've jogged my memory - yea I remember the WBCN quad broadcasts with TV simulcasts, and the match-up service. I guess with the ch 44 simulcast, you could say this was an early form of home theater. ===== 73, de Hakim (N1ZFF) From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Nov 25 12:26:37 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:27:37 2003 Subject: WBIX testing night signal Message-ID: <002501c3b379$5fd1b720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WBIX is FINALLY testing its night signal. I had given up on its ever going on the air but I tuned past at about 11:15 AM and heard one of the show hosts responding to a caller who had complained about signal problems. Shortly after noon, a canned liner came on that said something like "If you are having trouble with reception, WBIX is testing its new night signal. We will soon be operating 24 and 7. In the meantime, as our engineers test the new nighttime signal, we won't always be using our normal 40-thousand-watt daytime power during the day. Remember, you can always hear us at WBIX1060.com." Although I can't tell whether the station is running the full 2500W, the signal is about as good as I had expected--that is, much better than I recall during the waning days of WBIV (1060's last call sign before it went dark in the early 90s). For listeners, though, the real test will come during nighttime hours, when we'll find out how the signal competes with KYW, and probably more important, with WEPN 1050 in New York City. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Nov 25 15:36:59 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Nov 25 15:42:15 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas Message-ID: <1069792922.D497222@s5.dngr.org> Entercom has flipped dance 93.7 to Christmas music as well. Could this be the start of perhaps doing a simulcast of WEEI on FM??? Dance listeners will flee 93.7 in droves. The Sox want this problem solved (signal NW and W) and Entercom can not afford to lose them. From billo@shoreham.net Tue Nov 25 15:54:34 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Nov 25 15:55:08 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas In-Reply-To: <1069792922.D497222@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <005001c3b396$5595c1d0$3b521341@boneill> Kevin: > Entercom has flipped dance 93.7 to Christmas music as well. > Could this > be the start of perhaps doing a simulcast of WEEI on FM??? Dance > listeners will flee 93.7 in droves. > > The Sox want this problem solved (signal NW and W) and > Entercom can not > afford to lose them. That signal is better and cleaner than it ever was in Lawrence. Interesting to see w'happens. Sports on a Boston FM makes sense. Bill O'Neill Gallipolis, Ohio From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 25 16:40:10 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 25 16:35:33 2003 Subject: This week's LTAR Message-ID: <200311251640.AA2189754556@mail.ttlc.net> A. Joseph Ross noted: >Bob speculated this week that WMUA at UMass in Amherst might soon >change its call letters to WUMA, to fit the pattern of the other >campuses. > >Actually, I doubt it. WMUA as a station was student-initiated and has >been student-run and student-financed, and a call-letter change would >not happen unless it came from the students. And, the WMUA call >already reflects the school's current name, unlike WJUL, which was >based on it being University of Lowell. > >WMUA's studios are located in a student activities building, not an >academic building, and its transmitter is atop a residence hall. At >UMass, the ownership and financing of residence >halls and student activities buildings are different from academic >buildings. As a result, political and religious activities are >allowed in those buildings, which is not always allowed in academic >buildings. > >While WMUA's license is held by the Board of Trustees, if the >University were to try to take over the station from the students, >there would be widespread student and alumni protests. If the license is held by the University and is perceived as a developable, potential source of income for the university, my guess is students will have to ride in the back of the bus. It's ALL about the Benjamins. Hey, Must Be The Money! From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Nov 25 16:55:26 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Nov 25 16:51:34 2003 Subject: WBIX testing night signal Message-ID: <200311251655.AA2386559040@mail.ttlc.net> Dan Strassberg noted: >...a canned liner came on that said something like "If you are having >trouble with reception, Remember, you can always hear us at >WBIX1060.com. I tried this URL: It says "Coming Soon." This domain name was recently registered with Register.com. From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Nov 25 17:35:13 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Nov 25 17:35:33 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:56:21 >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" >To: "Laurence Glavin" ,boston->radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Isn't 890 now WAMG (taking the calls from 1150)? >Also, I noticed even a >stronger Daytime signal on 890 recently here in >Derry... I noticed a stronger daytime signal on 890 whatever the calls too; I theorized that Mega was taking AM 890 seriously now that it's the primary outlet for the Boston area (even though WLLH touches on the northern half and appeared in the latest 'trends...but not WNNW-AM 800); perhaps the engineering department let AM 890 slide while 1150 was en Espagnol, then decided to being 890 up to specs. When it was C-net radio, it went from almost inaudible to challenging then-WMVU/WOTW, which is what it's doing now. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Nov 25 18:13:26 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Nov 25 18:13:41 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:47:50 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: Bob Nelson >Cc: boston Radio mailing-list interest@bostonradio.org> >On 24 Nov 2003 at 7:54, Bob Nelson wrote: > WPLM-FM (the Campbell Soup--er, Sports--Network) > was the flagship from 1983 through 1989. The following > site lists their flagships throughout their history > (for many years they've been at 850 on > the dial...): > > http://webpages.charter.net/joekuras/brdcstrs.htm >It's wrong on at least one entry, where it says that >WHDH 5 was the TV flagship for the 1957 >season. WHDH-TV 5 didn't come on the air until >November 1957. Now that channel 5 is owned by Hearst/ARGYLE, it would be a natural home for the SOX! ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Nov 25 18:22:34 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Nov 25 18:22:52 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: 93.7 now all xmas Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:54:34 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "'Kevin Vahey'" ,"'Boston Radio >Mailing List'" > Entercom has flipped dance 93.7 to Christmas music as well. > Could this > be the start of perhaps doing a simulcast of WEEI on FM??? Dance > listeners will flee 93.7 in droves. > > The Sox want this problem solved (signal NW and W) and > Entercom can not > afford to lose them. >That signal is better and cleaner than it ever was in >Lawrence. Interesting to >see w'happens. Sports on a Boston FM makes sense. All of this is rampant speculation, especially after the failure of WWZN. But if it were to happen, it would have to be on a BOSTON FM, i.e. one transmitting from a Rt 128 tower or the Pru. >Bill O'Neill >Gallipolis, Ohio What have Gallipolitans said about your "Dean for President" bumper sticker? ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Nov 25 18:58:49 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Nov 25 18:59:08 2003 Subject: Met Opera To Take Mid-winter Break; Broadcasts Imperiled Message-ID: I've just been informed through artsjournal.com that the Metropolitan Opera has announced that the company will take a winter break during the 2004/2005 season, and presumably thereafter. Performances will run 6 days a week, with matinees and evening shows on Saturday from late September through mid-January. Then the house will close for a breather, set construction, reheasals, etc and return later in the month. The Met lost Chevron/Texaco as sponsor of the radio broadcasts this year (although they will pick up the tab this season); management was supposed to be avidly searching for a replacement, but this development could put such a quest in doubt. Getting radio stations to take the broadcasts as is has been difficult enough, but affiliates both commercial and non-commercial at least want continuity. By the way, as a ticket holder to at least one opera this year, I received a call from the Met office with a request for $$$$$$ to continue the broadcasts if they don't get a sponsor. This maneuver has been the subject of discussion on the Opera_List server already; the newest development will really get the juices flowing. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Nov 25 18:58:20 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue Nov 25 19:00:05 2003 Subject: WBIX testing night signal In-Reply-To: <200311251655.AA2386559040@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031125185544.01adb560@pop.gis.net> At 04:55 PM 11/25/03 -0500, rogerkirk wrote: >Dan Strassberg noted: > > >...a canned liner came on that said something like "If you are having > >trouble with reception, Remember, you can always hear us at > >WBIX1060.com. > >I tried this URL: It says "Coming Soon." This domain name was recently >registered with Register.com. Try WBIX.COM or BUSINESS1060.COM - they both work. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 25 19:26:13 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 25 19:25:14 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas In-Reply-To: <1069792922.D497222@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125192236.00a54ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >Entercom has flipped dance 93.7 to Christmas music as well. Could this be >the start of perhaps doing a simulcast of WEEI on FM??? Dance listeners >will flee 93.7 in droves. > >The Sox want this problem solved (signal NW and W) and Entercom can not >afford to lose them. Yeah? Well we want the Sox to win a world series, too. :-/ I thought 93.7 was doing well with the dance/rhythmic CHR format...why would they want to dump that for a bunch of loud obnoxious guys yelling about sports? From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Tue Nov 25 20:29:31 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Nov 25 20:37:12 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <410-220031132612931580@sprynet.com> I think the nighttime singal improvement may be solar storms(?) I'm also receiving DXable signals from 1200-WKOX and 1260-WMKI, which are usually unlistenable after dark. Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH > [Original Message] > From: Laurence Glavin > To: > Date: 11/25/03 5:35:13 PM > Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' > > >DATE: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:56:21 > >From: "Paul Hopfgarten" > >To: "Laurence Glavin" ,boston->radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > >Isn't 890 now WAMG (taking the calls from 1150)? >Also, I noticed even a > >stronger Daytime signal on 890 recently here in >Derry... > > > I noticed a stronger daytime signal on 890 whatever the calls > too; I theorized that Mega was taking AM 890 seriously now > that it's the primary outlet for the Boston area (even though > WLLH touches on the northern half and appeared in the latest > 'trends...but not WNNW-AM 800); > perhaps the engineering department let AM 890 slide while > 1150 was en Espagnol, then decided to being 890 up to specs. > When it was C-net radio, it went from almost inaudible to > challenging then-WMVU/WOTW, which is what it's doing now. > > Laurence Glavin > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Nov 25 21:07:27 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:06:27 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <410-220031132612931580@sprynet.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125210405.00a49e50@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >I think the nighttime singal improvement may be solar storms(?) > >I'm also receiving DXable signals from 1200-WKOX and 1260-WMKI, which are >usually unlistenable after dark. I've been hearing a dx'able signal on WSNH/Nashua in Concord (N.H.) after dark lately. What kind of a night authorization do they have? Signal isn't all that great in Concord even in the daytime. I also get an occasional stereo indication from them, but only at a distance...is there someone else on 900 broadcasting in stereo? From sps199@psu.edu Tue Nov 25 23:16:24 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Nov 25 23:16:45 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <20031125081237.34480.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c3b3d4$157e8e40$b108a1ac@Sean> Bob Nelson writes: << OR --The Sox/NESN buy 93.7 from Entercom and WSOX Sports Talk 93.7 is on the air, probably with WEEI's intellectual property (no jokes :) ) and AM 850 goes to another format. >> The WSOX calls are on an FM in the York, Pa. market (WSOX 96.1 Red Lion). Susquehanna appreciates the value of said calls; they are heavily used in the station's marketing. I doubt they'll be given up anytime soon. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 26 00:37:18 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Nov 26 00:43:48 2003 Subject: Early Boston Stereo FM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031125022759.023f8a90@pop.registeredsite.com> References: Message-ID: <3FC3F5BE.23050.248D4A@localhost> On 25 Nov 2003 at 2:31, Donna Halper wrote: > I didn't know the answer right away, which is why I didn't respond. My > 1963 Radio/TV Annual does list both WUPY and WCRB, and it lists BOTH as > broadcasting in stereo... it also says WBCN and WTAG in Worcester are > broadcasting in stereo that year...Let me see if I can find out who did it > first. If I recall correctly, FM multiplex stereo was first authorized by the FCC in 1961. If so, WCRB was doing FM stereo before that year ended. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Nov 26 00:37:18 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Nov 26 00:53:55 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FC3F5BE.12358.248DBC@localhost> On 25 Nov 2003 at 18:13, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Now that channel 5 is owned by Hearst/ARGYLE, it would > be a natural home for the SOX! That would be a problem for a major network affiliate. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dbradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 08:33:12 2003 From: dbradio@yahoo.com (Dan Bourret) Date: Wed Nov 26 08:33:39 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <003a01c3b306$96257a00$6401a8c0@LizardHome> Message-ID: <20031126133312.4541.qmail@web60609.mail.yahoo.com> It appears that Oldies 103.3 is in fact going to stick with "all Christmas" right through December. Someone there said that they are getting nothing but compliments on the choice (of course I am sure they wouldn't say otherwise), but it seems like it is here to stay. They are able to offer an extremely wide selection though 'cause they are not just playing Christmas oldies. They are playing "Christmas oldies and your holiday favorites." Just between yesterday and today, I have heard "Last Christmas" by George Michael (late '80's/early 90's tune) as well "Christmas Vacation" (also '80's). Then I heard some tunes from Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. I think this variety will work with the Oldies demographic and not cause any major backlash. Dan --- Roger Kirk wrote: > After listening this evening, it appears they are > serious about playing > Christmas tunes until the 25th. It doesn't have > many of the earmarks of a > stunt. Not ludicrous, not extreme e.g. playing the > same tune over and over > agin 24 hours a day, not totally automated, all > staff blown out, etc... > > This could be the start of a new era in subtle, > logical, believeable > stunting. However oxymoronic that might sound. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 11:21:20 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed Nov 26 11:21:24 2003 Subject: Savage bits? Message-ID: <20031126162120.89812.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com> Listening to Michael Savage on the way home last nihgt and heard something that I have never heard him do before. A comedy bit... The bit revolved around a reporter trying to get the scoop on Michael Jackson and ending up in MJ's "love prison". Anyone else hear this? ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From lorraine6474@usadatanet.net Wed Nov 26 13:26:35 2003 From: lorraine6474@usadatanet.net (Lorraine Smith) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:27:51 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125192236.00a54ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000501c3b44a$f555b400$5e09da42@Lorraine> > Kevin Vahey wrote: > >Entercom has flipped dance 93.7 to Christmas music as well. Could this be > >the start of perhaps doing a simulcast of WEEI on FM??? Dance listeners > >will flee 93.7 in droves. Of my 12 FM pre-sets, 4 of them are all Christmas. 2 from Bos 2 from Prov. Of the remaining, some are just a convenient spot to scan up or down from. That leaves me with two stations I can count on for the music I prefer, 106.7 and 99.1 If I were an advertiser this holiday season, I would give serious consideration as where my dollars were being spent. If a listener is tuning out because they don't want "much more Christmas music", it's a good bet they won't be sticking around for the sponsors message. What Christmas music I am ready to hear the day before Thanksgiving? Mannheim Steamroller, Kenny G and the Eagles "Please come for Christmas". I never seem to catch it enough in rotation. Happy Thanksgiving all! Lorraine From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 13:44:47 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:45:01 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <20031126133312.4541.qmail@web60609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031126184447.37496.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Bourret wrote: They are playing "Christmas > oldies > and your holiday favorites." > > Just between yesterday and today, I have heard "Last > Christmas" by George Michael (late '80's/early 90's > tune) as well "Christmas Vacation" (also '80's). > Then > I heard some tunes from Mariah Carey and Whitney > Houston. I think this variety will work with the > Oldies demographic and not cause any major backlash. They were even playing some Kenny G last night (Smooth Jazz 103.3, anyone?) I may from time to time dip in to hear what they're playing but I don't plan any heavy listening to 103.3 for awhile. I still think it's too early for all-Christmas all-the-time, but if they think it'll help their female 35-50 demo, I guess I can't blame them. From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Nov 26 13:51:13 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Nov 26 13:51:16 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas In-Reply-To: <000501c3b44a$f555b400$5e09da42@Lorraine> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125192236.00a54ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> <000501c3b44a$f555b400$5e09da42@Lorraine> Message-ID: <63155.216.204.15.170.1069872673.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Lorraine Smith wrote: > > If I were an advertiser this holiday season, I > would give serious consideration as where my > dollars were being spent. If a listener is tuning > out because they don't want "much more Christmas > music", it's a good bet they won't be sticking around > for the sponsors message. My guess is that TSL will be fairly strong for Xmas music. Listeners may be in the mood for it every day, but when the do they're likely to stick around longer as it kind of makes good background. > > What Christmas music I am ready to hear the day > before Thanksgiving? > Mannheim Steamroller, Kenny G and the Eagles > "Please come for Christmas". I never seem to catch > it enough in rotation. My fave would have to be Elton John's "Step Into Christmas". Don't ever recall any Boston/northern New England station playing it back in the mid-70s though (the old WKBR would play the "B" side "Ho Ho Ho, Who'd Be A Turkey At Christmas"). From nostaticatall@comcast.net Wed Nov 26 15:41:01 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Wed Nov 26 15:39:09 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125192236.00a54ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> <000501c3b44a$f555b400$5e09da42@Lorraine> Message-ID: <3FC50FDD.1040404@comcast.net> If a listener is tuning out because they don't want to hear non stop holiday tunes, chances are the advertiser won't care because that person is not their target. Advertisers, particularly retailers, WANT to reach listeners that are in the holiday spirit and willing to spend money. If you're cruising around listening to Christmas songs, retailers want you to hear their message! Plus, over the last couple of years, stations that have adopted all Christmas formats have enjoyed noticeable ratings spikes in the last four to five weeks of the fall book. Sure, WODS and Star will lose a few listeners during the holiday season, but they'll probably gain more than they lose during the period. If I was buying airtime and wanted to reach the 35-54 female, I'd probably buy ODS and Star--at least through Christmas Day. Mike Thomas Lorraine Smith wrote: >If I were an advertiser this holiday season, I >would give serious consideration as where my >dollars were being spent. If a listener is tuning >out because they don't want "much more Christmas >music", it's a good bet they won't be sticking around >for the sponsors message. > From nostaticatall@comcast.net Wed Nov 26 16:10:17 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:08:24 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 References: <20031125081237.34480.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC516B9.9030402@comcast.net> Please, please tell me you're kidding! You're turning into Joe Gallant! None of these stations are changing format! They are both still calling themselves by their normal monikers (Oldies 103.3 and Star 93 seven) and in the case of Star, they're using their latest slogan "feel good" as part of their holiday presentation. I would not be surprised to see some musical adjustments and fresh imaging come to both stations on 12/26, but the formats will stay the same. With that said, I think FM sports talk would work in Boston, but Entercom won't even entertain the thought of moving WEEI to FM until the Red Sox rights situation is resolved. If the team re-ups with Entercom, it's a remote possibility--but I wouldn't bet on it. Sports on WEEI is maximising the 850 signal. What else could you put on it that would bring in even half of what it's currently billing? Standards? Satellite talk to supplement WRKO? We have enough of that on the dial. How about ESPN to flank a WEEI-FM which would give Entercom a place to air sports conflicts instead of 680? In either instance, it wouldn't work--and please don't say "real oldies." Those stations get paltry ratings and barely bill enough to pay for the electricity to the transmitter. 93.7 airing it's current format and WEEI will better than sportstalk on FM and something else on 850. Mike Thomas Bob Nelson wrote: >Hmm-- the possibilities: > >--The new sports talker is Infinity's WODS 103.3, and >'EEI-ers go there. Call letters stand for "Ordway Does >Sports" :) Sensing an oldies void in the >market, Entercom's 93.7 brings back the "Blue >Suede Radio" format they used to have. Paging >Cheryl Ann Gowdy :) > >OR... > >--Entercom keeps 93.7 and flips it to sports talk, >possibly with the Sox, too. The signal does pretty >well and they could add some AM affiliates where >it's weak (for Sox games) > >OR > >--The Sox/NESN buy 93.7 from Entercom and WSOX >Sports Talk 93.7 is on the air, probably with >WEEI's intellectual property (no jokes :) ) >and AM 850 goes to another format. > >OR > >--WEEI sports talk moves to 93.7 but the Sox >decide to put their games on WBZ... > >But who knows! > > > From nostaticatall@comcast.net Wed Nov 26 16:16:24 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:14:31 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 References: <20031126133312.4541.qmail@web60609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FC51828.8060103@comcast.net> Why not? Contemporary music stations play the old holiday standards and the Motown stuff right along with the newer material when it's time to play Christmas music. As far as this music goes, the hits are the hits, and they seem to cross most demographics, young and old. If an AC or even a CHR can play Bing Crosby or the Supremes, then an oldies station can play Whitney or Wham. I'd get a little nervous if WODS starts playing stuff from Britney Spears or N'Sync though....:) --Mike Thomas Dan Bourret wrote: >Just between yesterday and today, I have heard "Last >Christmas" by George Michael (late '80's/early 90's >tune) as well "Christmas Vacation" (also '80's). Then >I heard some tunes from Mariah Carey and Whitney >Houston. I think this variety will work with the >Oldies demographic and not cause any major backlash. > > From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Nov 26 16:50:15 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed Nov 26 16:42:20 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <200311261700.hAQH03xN089623@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: > I've been hearing a dx'able signal on WSNH/Nashua in Concord (N.H.) after > dark lately. What kind of a night authorization do they have? Signal > isn't all that great in Concord even in the daytime. I also get an > occasional stereo indication from them, but only at a distance...is there > someone else on 900 broadcasting in stereo? According to radio-locator.com, WSNH has 910 watts day, 60 watts night, both ND. The day signal is weak but audible here in Somerville MA, a few miles NW of Boston, if I turn my radio away from the adjacent interference from 890 Ashland. I can actually faintly hear the night signal, just enough to tell what song is on, for a short time just after sunset before it gets buried by other skywaves. I also get the AM stereo circuit blipping on occasionally with them. I suspect either some sort of heterodyne on the frequency being caused by another signal or interference of some sort that happens to be at a frequency which triggers the AM stereo decoder, or perhaps some low-frequency oscillation (a subharmonic, or a bad ground??) in their airchain doing the same. Eli Polonsky From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Nov 26 18:27:56 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Nov 26 18:28:06 2003 Subject: 93.7 now all xmas References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125192236.00a54ec0@pop3.bit-net.com><000501c3b44a$f555b400$5e09da42@Lorraine> <63155.216.204.15.170.1069872673.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3b474$ec1808f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine is now doing all Christmas music instead of its usual Classic Country format. I used to listen to the station a lot everyday. That's out for at least the next month. BAH HUMBUG! -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 19:31:57 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed Nov 26 19:32:00 2003 Subject: UHF Channel 50 DX Message-ID: <20031127003157.97292.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Was watching television tonight, and while flipping thru channels, noticed that our feed of NJN was getting poor reception. After a closer look, I could see another DXed channel trying to cut through. I did some searching, and am pretty sure my cable company (Cablevision) picks up its NJN feed over the air from WNJN Channel 50 in Montclair NJ. The only thing I was able to make out clearly from the Dxed signal was a commercial for Sears. After searching the FCC database, the 3 most likely stations appear to be WWTI Watertown, NY, WNDS Derry NH, or WBDC-TV Washington DC. can anyone help narrow this down further (are any of these stations non-commercial) or point out a station that I may have missed Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 20:04:31 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed Nov 26 20:04:39 2003 Subject: UHF Channel 50 DX In-Reply-To: <20031127003157.97292.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031127010431.60108.qmail@web12822.mail.yahoo.com> I just caught a semi-ID. Whatever station is DXing through, it is a Telemundo affiliate. Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Nov 26 20:25:15 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Nov 26 20:25:24 2003 Subject: UHF Channel 50 DX Message-ID: <1069896315.F50E574@s5.dngr.org> probably Providence WRIW, Channel 50 Patricia Domeniconi (GM) Manuel Zurita (GSM) (617) 242-4606 23 Kenney Drive Cranston, RI 02920 (401) 463-5575 (401) 463-5576 fax E-mail: pdomeniconi@zgsgroup.com mzurita@zgsgroup.com On 11/27/03 at 1:04 AM Matthew Osborne wrote: > I just caught a semi-ID. Whatever station is DXing > through, it is a Telemundo affiliate. > > Matt Osborne > Poughkeepsie, NY > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From wftn@comcast.net Wed Nov 26 21:39:42 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Wed Nov 26 21:40:00 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <112720030239.28411.392@comcast.net> I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the last two nights. I travelled Rt. 4 from Concord(NH) to Andover(NH) the last two evenings and I've got 1290 out of Keene, 1270 out of Dover, 1510(i think - the station out of Nashua) and WFEA 1370 as clear as a bell during the whole trip. Tonight I was able to receive 1350 out of Laconia clearly. Must be some type of atmospheric conditions. Gary Ford WFTN-FM > Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > >I think the nighttime singal improvement may be solar storms(?) > > > >I'm also receiving DXable signals from 1200-WKOX and 1260-WMKI, which are > >usually unlistenable after dark. > > > I've been hearing a dx'able signal on WSNH/Nashua in Concord (N.H.) after > dark lately. What kind of a night authorization do they have? Signal > isn't all that great in Concord even in the daytime. I also get an > occasional stereo indication from them, but only at a distance...is there > someone else on 900 broadcasting in stereo? > From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Nov 26 22:02:26 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed Nov 26 22:05:04 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <112720030239.28411.392@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031126220201.019ea650@pop.gis.net> At 02:39 AM 11/27/03 +0000, wftn@comcast.net wrote: >I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the last two >nights. I travelled Rt. 4 from Concord(NH) to Andover(NH) the last two >evenings and I've got 1290 out of Keene, 1270 out of Dover, 1510(i think - >the station out of Nashua) and WFEA 1370 as clear as a bell during the >whole trip. Tonight I was able to receive 1350 out of Laconia >clearly. Must be some type of atmospheric conditions. 1590 out of Nashua ? From sps199@psu.edu Wed Nov 26 22:57:06 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean) Date: Wed Nov 26 22:57:14 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <200311270357.WAA16154@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Gary writes: << I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the last two nights. I travelled Rt. 4 from Concord(NH) to Andover(NH) the last two evenings and I've got 1290 out of Keene, 1270 out of Dover, 1510(i think - the station out of Nashua) and WFEA 1370 as clear as a bell during the whole trip. Tonight I was able to receive 1350 out of Laconia clearly. Must be some type of atmospheric conditions. >> Some observations from driving around Quincy and Braintree tonight: * WESX coming in clear as a bell (normally there's a LOT of junk on that graveyarder); * WSAR also coming in fairly clear in Braintree; * WQEW coming in better than usual; * No reception of WBAL AT ALL. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 03:08:56 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Nov 27 03:09:01 2003 Subject: Christmas 103 In-Reply-To: <3FC516B9.9030402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031127080856.76300.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nostaticatall wrote: None of these stations are changing > format! They are both > still calling themselves by their normal monikers Well, idle speculation--and hope for me, as WEEI on FM 93.7 would come in superbly at my workplace! But you're right, they probably wouldn't change... maybe a slight tweak of format... You're also right in that sports on 850 is maximizing that frequency and a shift to FM would mean they'd need something for 850, and what they have now with sports is probably their best bet for that freq. From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 06:58:37 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu Nov 27 06:58:45 2003 Subject: RI/TG Message-ID: <20031127115837.24840.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone ever heard of a David Jones from Rhode Island(Providence??)? He would have worked at a Hot AC owned by CCU Oh, hope everyone has a fantastic Thanksgiving! ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Nov 27 07:09:23 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Nov 27 07:08:24 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' In-Reply-To: <200311270357.WAA16154@webmail12.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031127070633.00a457b0@pop3.bit-net.com> Sean wrote: >Gary writes: ><< I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the last two >nights. > >Some observations from driving around Quincy and Braintree tonight: > > >* No reception of WBAL AT ALL. Likewise for WWKB and WSAI.....both frequencies completely dead when they're normally very clear. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Nov 27 08:25:01 2003 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu Nov 27 08:24:45 2003 Subject: RI/TG In-Reply-To: <20031127115837.24840.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019101c3b4e9$dfa83bb0$6600a8c0@AMD> I believe David Jones used to be part of the longtime "Jones and Joan" morning show on 93.3 WSNE. He was let go about a year or so ago. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Cooper Fox Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:59 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: RI/TG Anyone ever heard of a David Jones from Rhode Island(Providence??)? He would have worked at a Hot AC owned by CCU Oh, hope everyone has a fantastic Thanksgiving! ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From wftn@comcast.net Thu Nov 27 08:44:11 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Thu Nov 27 08:44:19 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: WFXT 'Been QRP; WODS 'Gone Jingle Bellin' Message-ID: <112720031344.8928.2476@comcast.net> Yes, You are right, It is 1590 that I heard. I'd like to check it out again tonight to see what I can hear. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Gary Ford WFTN-FM > At 02:39 AM 11/27/03 +0000, wftn@comcast.net wrote: > >I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the last two > >nights. I travelled Rt. 4 from Concord(NH) to Andover(NH) the last two > >evenings and I've got 1290 out of Keene, 1270 out of Dover, 1510(i think - > >the station out of Nashua) and WFEA 1370 as clear as a bell during the > >whole trip. Tonight I was able to receive 1350 out of Laconia > >clearly. Must be some type of atmospheric conditions. > > 1590 out of Nashua ? > > From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 09:01:37 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu Nov 27 09:01:45 2003 Subject: RI/TG In-Reply-To: <019101c3b4e9$dfa83bb0$6600a8c0@AMD> Message-ID: <20031127140137.37861.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> That sounds right... Just curious. He now owns a restaruant here in the Mt Washington Valley. He likes to cut his own spots and I have had a chance to talk to him a couple times while producing them. Good guy... --- Jeff Lehmann wrote: > I believe David Jones used to be part of the > longtime "Jones and Joan" > morning show on 93.3 WSNE. He was let go about a > year or so ago. > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Thu Nov 27 13:30:38 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu Nov 27 13:31:53 2003 Subject: MW Atmospherics (Was: WFXT 'Been QRP...) Message-ID: <3FC642CE.CD18F394@Programmer.Net> At 02:39 AM 11/27/03 +0000, wftn@comcast.net wrote: >I've been catching some weird things happening on the AM dial the >last two nights. I travelled Rt. 4 from Concord(NH) to Andover(NH) >the last two evenings and I've got 1290 out of Keene, 1270 out of >Dover, 1510(i think - the station out of Nashua) and WFEA 1370 as >clear as a bell during the whole trip. Tonight I was able to >receive 1350 out of Laconia clearly. Must be some type of >atmospheric conditions. Yup, the ionosphere is still unsettled from the severe space storming early in the month, as well as lesser activity the last couple of weeks (though when I checked around 4am this morning, the band seemed relatively lively). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Nov 27 15:08:38 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Nov 27 15:08:45 2003 Subject: Solar flares likely to increase Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031127150631.025111a8@mail.mac.com> Here's an interesting article about the current increase in solar activity: http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/November2003/November_27/News/reg_nh_1127c.asp -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sps199@psu.edu Thu Nov 27 20:17:11 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Nov 27 20:17:16 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio Message-ID: <200311280117.UAA18910@webmail13.cac.psu.edu> A quick scan of the dial today as I was running late for the game I went to found the following stations near Boston carrying games: * WSRO (650), Marlborough vs. Hudson * WSNH (900), Nashua vs. Bishop Guertin * WBNW (1120), Framingham vs. Natick * WESX (1230), Salem vs. Beverly * WJDA (1300), Quincy vs. North Quincy * WPLM (1390), Plymouth North vs. Plymouth South; they were also doing some other games on tape-delay * WBET (1460), Brockton vs. Waltham * WAZN (1470)//WSRO * WSAR (1480), Durfee vs. New Bedford * WCCM (1490), Andover vs. North Andover, fighting it out with (this was in Woburn on 128) WMRC's coverage of Milford High * WIQH-FM (88.3), Concord-Carlisle vs. Bedford * WATD-FM (95.3), Marshfield vs. Duxbury Feel free to add others in. I think I'm leaving out one or two. Some stations that have carried games in the past that were MIA this year including WNTN, which has carried Newton North vs. Brookline forever, practically. What happened here? Bob Bittner told me when he was there the North-Brookline game was the station's biggest selling event (spot-wise) of the year. I know Rob Rudnick used to do the game when he was station manager and even after he bought the station. I was kind of disappointed this one was not broadcast (although it's apparently on CN8 tonight). And how can WWZN, claiming to be Boston's "sports station," not spend a couple hundred bucks to bring in a host and board-op to at least pretend to cover the biggest sports day of the year in Massachusetts (outside of pro playoffs)? Might have gotten some people listening to the station for more than a nanosecond. Another observation: the quality game announcers is hideous as opposed to 10 years ago. Half the broadcasts were done by homers who have ridiculously thick Boston accents; I could barely understand the description of the play being run. Of course this is coming from a former play-by-play announcer himself so take it with a grain of salt. I know local radio has gone by the wayside -- 10 years ago there were several other stations doing Thanksgiving games, including WKOX, WMSX, and WMFO -- but Thanksgiving Day games can still bill a decent amount for stations and it'd be nice if said outlets at least pretended to care about their COL and covered events there for a day. From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Nov 27 20:55:21 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Nov 27 20:55:45 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio In-Reply-To: <200311280117.UAA18910@webmail13.cac.psu.edu> References: <200311280117.UAA18910@webmail13.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <1069984527.21509ECF@w5.dngr.org> I know Cambridge and Everett wanted to be on and couldn't find an outlet and it would have been an easy sell. On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 8:24pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > A quick scan of the dial today as I was running late for the game I > went to > found the following stations near Boston carrying games: > > * WSRO (650), Marlborough vs. Hudson > * WSNH (900), Nashua vs. Bishop Guertin > * WBNW (1120), Framingham vs. Natick > * WESX (1230), Salem vs. Beverly > * WJDA (1300), Quincy vs. North Quincy > * WPLM (1390), Plymouth North vs. Plymouth South; they were also doing > some > other games on tape-delay > * WBET (1460), Brockton vs. Waltham > * WAZN (1470)//WSRO > * WSAR (1480), Durfee vs. New Bedford > * WCCM (1490), Andover vs. North Andover, fighting it out with (this > was in > Woburn on 128) WMRC's coverage of Milford High > * WIQH-FM (88.3), Concord-Carlisle vs. Bedford > * WATD-FM (95.3), Marshfield vs. Duxbury > > Feel free to add others in. I think I'm leaving out one or two. > > Some stations that have carried games in the past that were MIA this > year > including WNTN, which has carried Newton North vs. Brookline forever, > practically. What happened here? Bob Bittner told me when he was there > the > North-Brookline game was the station's biggest selling event > (spot-wise) of the > year. I know Rob Rudnick used to do the game when he was station > manager and > even after he bought the station. I was kind of disappointed this one > was not > broadcast (although it's apparently on CN8 tonight). > > And how can WWZN, claiming to be Boston's "sports station," not spend a > couple > hundred bucks to bring in a host and board-op to at least pretend to > cover the > biggest sports day of the year in Massachusetts (outside of pro > playoffs)? > Might have gotten some people listening to the station for more than a > nanosecond. > > Another observation: the quality game announcers is hideous as opposed > to 10 > years ago. Half the broadcasts were done by homers who have > ridiculously thick > Boston accents; I could barely understand the description of the play > being > run. Of course this is coming from a former play-by-play announcer > himself so > take it with a grain of salt. > > I know local radio has gone by the wayside -- 10 years ago there were > several > other stations doing Thanksgiving games, including WKOX, WMSX, and WMFO > -- but > Thanksgiving Day games can still bill a decent amount for stations and > it'd be > nice if said outlets at least pretended to care about their COL and > covered > events there for a day. From sps199@psu.edu Thu Nov 27 21:17:56 2003 From: sps199@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Nov 27 21:18:00 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio Message-ID: <200311280217.VAA20362@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:55:21, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I know Cambridge and Everett wanted to be on and couldn't find an outlet > and it would have been an easy sell. You can sell anything to the people in Everett, they absolutely love their football team. I'm sure Bob might have accommodated them at WJIB. (For purposes of full disclosure, I did the first Cambridge-Everett Thanksgiving game on the radio in 1995 on WJIB, albeit on tape-delay. I'm done thumping my chest now.) From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Nov 27 21:22:41 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Nov 27 21:22:54 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio In-Reply-To: <200311280217.VAA20362@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> References: <200311280217.VAA20362@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <1069986166.152F1752@s5.dngr.org> Cambridge would have supported it too team was unbeaten in GBL until today This year Northeaster games have sounded good on WJIB, nice clean lines even on road games. I wish Bernie would improve his lines for BU games And WCAP for all their games. No excuse for a basic telco line in 2003 On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 9:17pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:55:21, Kevin Vahey wrote: > >> I know Cambridge and Everett wanted to be on and couldn't find an >> outlet >> and it would have been an easy sell. > > You can sell anything to the people in Everett, they absolutely love > their > football team. I'm sure Bob might have accommodated them at WJIB. > > (For purposes of full disclosure, I did the first Cambridge-Everett > Thanksgiving > game on the radio in 1995 on WJIB, albeit on tape-delay. I'm done > thumping my > chest now.) From markwats@comcast.net Thu Nov 27 23:10:25 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Nov 27 23:09:37 2003 Subject: Fw: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio Message-ID: <002c01c3b565$8d670850$64f88018@markscomputer> Kevin Vahey wrote: > And WCAP for all their games. No excuse for a basic telco line in 2003 I'm surprised they don't use their Marti transmitter for the Lock Monsters & Spinners home games. I did scan the dial while in my travels to Thanksgiving dinner this morning, heard Nashua vs.Bishop Guertin football on WSMN (1590) as well as WSNH, where Ed Leicius(sp?), formerly of WSMN was doing the play by play on a clean feed, don't know if it was a Marti or 8K or better phone line. WSMN's broadcast was over a dial up phone line. WCCM (1490) had the Andover vs. Central catholic game over a cell phone that kept breaking up, and the phone signal actually went dead for almost a minute, the board op didn't fill with a PSA or a commercial, just dead air until the phone signal was reestablished. Also heard WNBP (1450 Newburyport) with Newburyport vs. Amesbury and WEIM (1280 Fitchburg) carrying Fitchburg vs.Leominster. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 00:11:48 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Nov 28 00:11:51 2003 Subject: Fw: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio In-Reply-To: <002c01c3b565$8d670850$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <20031128051148.45486.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Watson wrote: > I did scan the dial while in my travels to > Thanksgiving dinner this > morning, heard Nashua vs.Bishop Guertin football on > WSMN (1590) as well as > WSNH Thanksgiving day baseball anyone? Tonight I put on WEEI and heard them running a Red Sox game (probably from Labor Day, when they made a comeback vs. the Phillies). Guess they gave Ted (and others) the night off and decided to do "Classic Sports Radio". For one night on the radio at least, Grady Little was still manager :) From hopfgapr@sprynet.com Fri Nov 28 00:27:39 2003 From: hopfgapr@sprynet.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Nov 28 00:27:36 2003 Subject: Fw: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio Message-ID: <410-220031152852739840@sprynet.com> Actually, they have been promoting the games all week, there were about 9-10 games on the web site, fans chose their top 5 through voting, and 'EEI is planning to play the top 5 (In order? That part I'm not sure about) Paul Hopfgarten > [Original Message] > From: Bob Nelson > To: Mark Watson ; > Date: 11/28/03 12:12:14 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio > > > --- Mark Watson wrote: > > I did scan the dial while in my travels to > > Thanksgiving dinner this > > morning, heard Nashua vs.Bishop Guertin football on > > WSMN (1590) as well as > > WSNH > > Thanksgiving day baseball anyone? Tonight I put on > WEEI and heard them running a Red Sox game (probably > from Labor Day, when they made a comeback vs. the > Phillies). Guess they gave Ted (and others) the night > off and decided to do "Classic Sports Radio". For > one night on the radio at least, Grady Little was > still manager :) From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Nov 28 10:12:19 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Nov 28 10:11:19 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Day football on the radio In-Reply-To: <1069986166.152F1752@s5.dngr.org> References: <200311280217.VAA20362@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> <200311280217.VAA20362@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031128100914.00a48ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: >I wish Bernie would improve his lines for BU games > >And WCAP for all their games. No excuse for a basic telco line in 2003 Likewise for Univ. of N.H. Dial up connection between field/gym/rink and flagship, dial up distribution to affiliates. Sounds like sh*t. They either don't care or think it sounds OK to them. From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Nov 28 16:31:06 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Nov 28 16:31:27 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Shake-up at WEEI Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:37:18 >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: lglavin@lycos.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >On 25 Nov 2003 at 18:13, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Now that channel 5 is owned by Hearst/ARGYLE, it would > be a natural home for the SOX! >That would be a problem for a major network affiliate. Do I understand you to say that ABC is a major network? (Understand that Sox and Argyle in juxtaposition was a joke, son) ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Nov 29 16:48:45 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Nov 29 16:48:58 2003 Subject: Call-in program on mental health is aired nationwide Message-ID: <000501c3b6c2$903e0480$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Each week, from a Maine Public Radio studio near Bangor International Airport, the 52-year-old psychiatrist hosts "What's On Your Mind?," an hourlong call-in show that explores issues tied to mental health. http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2003/11/29/call_in_program_on_mental_health_is_aired_nationwide/ From oldradio@earthlink.net Sat Nov 29 18:43:08 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Sat Nov 29 18:43:08 2003 Subject: WTAO-TV and WXHR Message-ID: <042101c3b6d2$8bdade30$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> Could anyone on this list, perhaps, give me some details of WTAO-TV Channel 56 (power, haat, coverage pattern, range, etc.) as well as WXHR-FM when both were operating from atop Mt. Zion in Woburn, MA in the 1950's? (Just how high is Mt. Zion anyway?) Any additional information about their audience numbers or kind of advertising for the limited programming both stations had then, like when both were signing on about 5 p.m. and signoff at 11 p.m. The TV side had old b/w movies, some Dumont and ABC network shows, a few PSA shows, and you needed a UHF adapter with bow-tie antenna to receive the usually snowy picutre. Any idea who the two engineers were (Joe and another engineer (name?) who brought his wife to the xmtr on Sunday night?) - I have their photo, if anyone can identify them back then. The FM programmed just classical music, and there was a gal announcing with a British accent on Sunday nights? Who? And...what broadcast facilities are on Mt. Zion now? Did they take down the Ch.56 and XHR towers, or move the xmtrs from that building on top? When? I'm attempting to research that time period (mid-50's) when I did a Sunday night, live TV variety show from that site (albeit with just one Dage industrial b/w camera with a zoom lens!) I have some photos of the program, now I'd like to put this additional and technical information together. (Did anybody on the list happen to see that show?) Thanks in advance for your reply and recollections. =Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Nov 29 18:51:46 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Nov 29 18:52:10 2003 Subject: WTAO-TV and WXHR In-Reply-To: <042101c3b6d2$8bdade30$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> References: <042101c3b6d2$8bdade30$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <1070149911.21509ECF@w5.dngr.org> I assume you have seen this page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3514/wtao.html On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 6:48pm, RBB wrote: > Could anyone on this list, perhaps, give me some details of WTAO-TV > Channel > 56 (power, haat, coverage pattern, range, etc.) > as well as WXHR-FM when both were operating from atop Mt. Zion in > Woburn, MA > in the 1950's? (Just how high is Mt. Zion anyway?) > > Any additional information about their audience numbers or kind of > advertising for the limited programming both stations had then, like > when > both were signing on about 5 p.m. and signoff at 11 p.m. The TV side > had > old b/w movies, some Dumont and ABC network shows, a few PSA shows, and > you > needed a UHF adapter with bow-tie antenna to receive the usually snowy > picutre. Any idea who the two engineers were (Joe and another engineer > (name?) who brought his wife to the xmtr on Sunday night?) - I have > their > photo, if anyone can identify them back then. > > The FM programmed just classical music, and there was a gal announcing > with > a British accent on Sunday nights? Who? > > And...what broadcast facilities are on Mt. Zion now? Did they take > down the > Ch.56 and XHR towers, or move the xmtrs from that building on top? > When? > > I'm attempting to research that time period (mid-50's) when I did a > Sunday > night, live TV variety show from that site (albeit with just one Dage > industrial b/w camera with a zoom lens!) I have some photos of the > program, > now I'd like to put this additional and technical information together. > (Did anybody on the list happen to see that show?) Thanks in advance > for > your reply and recollections. > > =Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Nov 29 20:21:12 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Nov 29 20:21:57 2003 Subject: WTAO-TV and WXHR In-Reply-To: <042101c3b6d2$8bdade30$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <3FC8FFB8.24134.11A19E@localhost> On 29 Nov 2003 at 15:43, RBB wrote: > Could anyone on this list, perhaps, give me some details of WTAO-TV > Channel 56 (power, haat, coverage pattern, range, etc.) as well as WXHR-FM > when both were operating from atop Mt. Zion in Woburn, MA in the 1950's? > (Just how high is Mt. Zion anyway?) I believe it's called "Zion Mountain." Mt. Zion is in Jerusalem. > Any additional information about their audience numbers or kind of > advertising for the limited programming both stations had then, like when > both were signing on about 5 p.m. and signoff at 11 p.m. When I first got an FM radio in 1958, WXHR was signing on at 4:30 PM. A year or two later, they became affiliated with the QXR network and began signing on at 7 AM. They eventually dropped the QXR network (perhaps WQXR dropped it, too by then), but continued a full broadcast day. I once spoke to them on the phone, and they told me that they had cut back to a 4:30 sign on because of the late-50s recession. I don't know when or how long their broadcast day was before that. > The FM programmed just classical music, and there was a gal announcing > with a British accent on Sunday nights? Who? Janet Baker-Carr. Robert J. Lurtsema was also a regular announcer in those days. I believe the facilities were still on Zion Mountain in the late 60s, when the stations were sold to Kaiser-Globe Broadcasting. I know they were still there in summer 1965, when I went there to try to get a summer job. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Nov 29 21:31:14 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Sat Nov 29 21:33:40 2003 Subject: WTAO-TV and WXHR References: <042101c3b6d2$8bdade30$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> Message-ID: <011401c3b6ea$6b482ac0$18fce341@p133> I have no data of power / haat / coverage AREA, sorry. The RadioDXer site that Kevin Vahey listed in the best source I know. There is some info in the BRA (Boston_Radio_archives) http://www.bostonradio.org/radio/bostonradio.html under WVLI 56. Zion Hill (NOT Mountain!) , on a USGS map (www.topozone.com) is ~2.5mi SES of I-128 / Cambridge St exit. south of Lexington St, on the Winchester/Woburn line 2 towers on recent USGS map read 42:27:20, 71:10:44, (=summit?) and 42:27:19, 71:10:48 From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:48:56 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 30 11:48:59 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports Message-ID: <20031130164856.30178.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> On today's Let's Talk about Radio on WJIB, Bob and Dan talked about: --a "beautiful music" station in Rome/Utica, NY switching rather abruptly to rock. This reminds me of the first episode of "WKRP in Cincinnatti" where Johnny Caravella (Howard Hesseman) drags the needle across a record, turns on the mike, and says, "OK, Cincinnatti it is time for this town to get down! You've got Johnny--Dr. Johnny FEVER and I am burning up in here! We're all in critical condition, babies, and you can tell me where it hurts..." and soon after went into a raucous rock record. Anyway, kind of an abrupt change :) --also they discussed how we were bringing up the possibility of sports talk on FM in Boston in '04. They seemed to suggest it would be a new, "third sports talker" in Boston and there wouldn't be room for 3 sports talkers in town. Well, I did see one post on one or more of these boards saying "perhaps there will be a sports talk FM in town" and I speculated that maybe what with the all-Christmas on WQSX, this was a sign that there would be a format change and MAYBE Entercom would MOVE WEEI to 93.7 for a solid "no static at all" signal for sports talk and the Sox. Of course some folks said it probably wouldn't happen (WQSX doesn't reach all of the metro area, though it's certainly solid north of town...and what would E-com do with 850?, etc.) So maybe that won't happen but who knows? I think someone even suggested moving WAAF to 93.7 and WEEI could latch on to 107.3...But the one thing that I doubt will happen would be a THIRD sports talk station in town. From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Nov 30 13:23:08 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Nov 30 13:22:06 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports In-Reply-To: <20031130164856.30178.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031130131852.00a22790@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >MAYBE Entercom would MOVE WEEI to 93.7 for a solid "no >static at all" signal for sports talk and the Sox. Of >course some folks said it probably wouldn't happen >(WQSX doesn't reach all of the metro >area, though it's certainly solid north of town...and >what would E-com do with 850?, etc.) > >So maybe that won't happen but who knows? I think >someone even suggested moving WAAF to 93.7 and WEEI >could latch on to 107.3...But the one thing that I >doubt will happen would be a THIRD sports talk station >in town. I thought that 93.7 was doing just fine with the rhythmic CHR/gold format. Isn't that part of the reason Dale was let go? Certainly that frequency is getting the best numbers it's ever gotten. As for moving WAAF, does 93.7 have a better signal in the city than 107.3? From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Nov 30 14:23:48 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (dan.strassberg@att.net) Date: Sun Nov 30 14:23:57 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports Message-ID: <113020031923.14501.3596@att.net> According to the V-Soft signal-strength-by-Zip-code Web site, in 02101 (downtown Boston), WQSX delivers 78.9 dBu; WAAF delivers 54.1 dBu. That's a difference of 24.8 dB--a ratio of more than 16:1. WAAF's signal strength will not equal WQSX's in the 02101 Zip code even after WAAF's move to the Channel 27 tower in Hudson--assuming that Entercom builds out that CP. The problem is that WAAF must protect certain stations, one of which is first-adjacent WFCC in Chatham, so moving even closer to Boston requires a directional pattern tighter than that described in WAAF's existing CP to move its Tx to Hudson. Although overlap with WMJX and WXKS-FM is grandfathered, I'm not sure that WAAF could move all the way to the FM 128 tower in Needham. However, if such a move were within the rules, the signal in Boston would not increase nearly as much as you might think. Moreover, to keep within the rule that limits an FM DA's ratio of maximum to minimum radiation, such a move would almost certainly necessitate reducing radiation to the west, probably to the point where 107.3 could no longer deliver a city-grade signal to its one-time COL, Worcester. So, yes, 93.7 has a better signal in Boston than does 107.3, and though improvements in 107.3's signal in Boston are possible, it seems unlikely that 107.3 could boost its signal to equal 93.7's. Someone else will have to explain why an on-channel booster--say, on the Pru--isn't the answer for 107.3. For sure, if it WERE the answer, Entercom would have thought of it-- and would have applied for it and probably would have built it by now. -- dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 Steve Ordinetz wrote: > As for moving WAAF, does 93.7 have a better signal in the city than 107.3? From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Nov 30 15:17:19 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Nov 30 15:18:00 2003 Subject: Christmas music on WODS Message-ID: <3FCA09FF.15960.C38682@localhost> I've listened to WODS a couple of times this weekend in my car. The first time I heard them playing Gene Autry's "Here Comes Santa Claus." Next time, they were playing Elvis singing the same song. I don't think Christmas music was Elvis's talent. I liked Gene Autry's version better. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Nov 30 15:46:22 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Nov 30 15:46:29 2003 Subject: Christmas music on WODS References: <3FCA09FF.15960.C38682@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c3b783$03d22b90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Christmas music on WODS > I don't think Christmas music was Elvis's talent. I liked Gene Autry's > version better. IMHO, Elvis' "Blue Christmas" is one of the best Christmas songs ever recorded. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 17:09:59 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Sun Nov 30 17:10:12 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports In-Reply-To: <20031130164856.30178.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031130220959.31483.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:48:56 -0800 Bob Nelson wrote: > On today's Let's Talk about Radio on WJIB, Bob and > Dan > talked about: > > --a "beautiful music" station in Rome/Utica, NY > switching rather abruptly to rock. This reminds me > of Cool! My topic became an item of discussion on LTAR! :) Is there any way I can get a copy of that show to listen to, or is there anywhere I can listen to that show online? Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 21:06:21 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 30 21:06:27 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports In-Reply-To: <20031130220959.31483.qmail@web12824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031201020621.78736.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matthew Osborne wrote: > Cool! My topic became an item of discussion on > LTAR! > :) Is there any way I can get a copy of that show > to > listen to, or is there anywhere I can listen to that > show online? > Matt--email your postal address to me and I'll send you a copy --Bob Nelson raccoonradio@yahoo.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 23:21:26 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Nov 30 23:21:30 2003 Subject: LPFMs for Vt. Transport Agency Message-ID: <20031201042126.29954.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like the Vermont Agency of Transportation has a bunch of construction permits for LPFMs in the Green Mt. State. To be exact: WRUT-LP 93.3 Rutland WMDB-LP 94.9 Middlebury WFAI-LP 95.9 Fairlee WSTW-LP 96.5 Stowe WTET-LP 96.5 Thetford WMID-LP 96.9 Middlesex WWIL-LP 98.1 Williston WDER-LP 98.3 Derby WBOL-LP 98.5 Boltonville WMAN-LP 98.9 Manchester ...and so on. There are CPs for stations in West Dover, Orleans, Putney, Randolph, and Jonesville, too. I think all are 100 watts, and the height can be as much as 1075 ft (WMDB Middlebury). No idea when they're going on. Am wondering: --with 100 watts, can they cover a half decent amount of territory (given the mountainous nature of the state)? --when will they debut (any idea)? --what kind of programming? Since it's "Vermont Transport" I have no idea if it's tourist info stations, or what. Anyone know?