From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 1 00:29:26 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 1 00:30:02 2003 Subject: More Christmas music Message-ID: <3FCA8B66.3812.2BD149E@localhost> I've been listening to WPTR this evening, and they seem to have gone over to Christmas music. When I first tuned in, they were playing the Carol of the Drum, one of my favorites. They've just finished with the Singing Dogs version of "Jingle Bells." Incidentally, the Singing Dogs originally came out around 1955 or 56, on a 45 with Jingle Bells on one side and Polly Wolly Doodle and Three Blind Mice on the other. I believe it was done with a lot of recorded barks of real dogs. I used to like to play it on WMUA, when I did a pop music show. For some reason, whenever someone said to me, "I heard your show today," they always mentioned that they heard "The barking dogs." Now if Bob did that kind of DJ antics on WJIB, he could say that Misty was going to sing for everyone, and ... -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 1 00:29:27 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 1 00:30:03 2003 Subject: Christmas music on WODS In-Reply-To: <000b01c3b783$03d22b90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FCA8B67.4152.2BD16BA@localhost> On 30 Nov 2003 at 15:46, Dan Billings wrote: > IMHO, Elvis' "Blue Christmas" is one of the best Christmas songs ever > recorded. Elvis does well with that one, probably because it was written for him and in his style. When he tried to do other peoples' Christmas songs, he didn't do them well. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 1 00:29:28 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 1 00:30:08 2003 Subject: WPTR Message-ID: <3FCA8B68.14600.2BD1B79@localhost> About an hour after my earlier post, WPTR seems to have gone from all Christmas music to no Christmas music. Go figure. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From news@southstation.org Mon Dec 1 06:28:37 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Mon Dec 1 06:28:46 2003 Subject: Christmas music on WODS In-Reply-To: <3FCA8B67.4152.2BD16BA@localhost> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: Christmas music on WODS > > > On 30 Nov 2003 at 15:46, Dan Billings wrote: > > > IMHO, Elvis' "Blue Christmas" is one of the best Christmas songs ever > > recorded. > > Elvis does well with that one, probably because it was written > for him and in his style. When > he tried to do other peoples' Christmas songs, he didn't do them well. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 Last night I heard a bit of Elvis doing the Beatle's "Something," and it was terrible. You're right about songs being written for him, or maybe its just something in the way my brain expects the song. -Larry Lovering From stevewest106@hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 07:59:58 2003 From: stevewest106@hotmail.com (Steve West) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:12:03 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports Message-ID: >So, yes, 93.7 has a better signal in Boston than does 107.3, and though >improvements in 107.3's signal in Boston are possible, it seems unlikely >that >107.3 could boost its signal to equal 93.7's. I know this means absolutely nothing to the powers that be, but since the start of this discussion (how many years has it been now?) I have thought the whole idea of WAAF moving off Mt. Asnebumskit is STUPID! When you've got the kind of coverage that WAAF currently has (which, incidently only 2 other stations in New England have and one other which is close), you don't give it up. Unless Entercom has another station on 107.3 somewhere close that has to protect for WAAF and by moving WAAF out of Paxton that solves a problem, it seems to be one of the most bone headed ideas anyone with a station would propose. Especially since it appears that the signal gains in Boston would be marginal at best. I rather like someone else's proposal of swapping formats/calls with 93.7. That's something which makes sense. _________________________________________________________________ Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Dec 1 08:56:11 2003 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:56:33 2003 Subject: More on liberal radio network, supposedly coming to Boston ... Message-ID: <001001c3b812$e33b6af0$6400a8c0@tony> There is a piece this morning in the NYT about the liberal radio network acquiring five stations, including one in Boston: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/01/national/01RADI.html?ex=1070859600&en=10cef4e9668325a5&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE Does anyone know which station in Boston they are supposedly buying? Most of the big AM and FM stations are owned by big corporations. I can't see them selling. Is Greater Media going to sell WTKK? There were some rumors that ad revs were low of late. Is Langer or Mega going to sell the investors one of their tiny AMs? So many questions ... Best, Tony Schinella radiotony@comcast.net http://politizine.blogspot.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 1 09:51:39 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 1 09:52:06 2003 Subject: Fw: More on liberal radio network, supposedly coming to Boston ... Message-ID: <001c01c3b81a$a89b0ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Strassberg To: tony schinella Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: More on liberal radio network, supposedly coming to Boston ... > Well, at Radio-Info.com, this story has led to rampant speculation about > WWZN. A deal with Paul Allen could also get the network stations in New York > and L.A. (WSNR 620 Jersey City and KMPC 1540). I think the network would be > less interested in buying (and Allen would likely be less interested in > selling) his original radio properties, KXL A/F Portland OR. AFAIK, neither > of the KXL stations is affiliated with SNR. Another good catch for the > network would be WMET Gaithersburg MD (DC). This station, which holds a CP > for 50-kW days, has had a very checkered history and is reportedly up for > sale yet again. Nevertheless, the 50 kW signal is allegedly close to > completion and if and when it goes on the air, the station should have > decent daytime coverage of DC. I think I read that the network will be > headquartered in New York City, but how can a network that focuses on > politics NOT have a presence in DC? So that gets the station count to four. > #5 is a big question mark. I presume they'd like a Chicago-area station. > Perhaps AM 1200 there, which has lost its Tx site, might be available. Also, > I believe that the owner of that station is in Chapter 11. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tony schinella > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:56 AM > Subject: More on liberal radio network, supposedly coming to Boston ... > > > > There is a piece this morning in the NYT about the liberal radio network > > acquiring five stations, including one in Boston: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/01/national/01RADI.html?ex=1070859600&en=10ce > f4e9668325a5&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE > > Does anyone know which station in Boston they are supposedly buying? > > Most of the big AM and FM stations are owned by big corporations. I can't > > see them selling. > > Is Greater Media going to sell WTKK? There were some rumors that ad revs > > were low of late. > > Is Langer or Mega going to sell the investors one of their tiny AMs? > > > > So many questions ... > > > > Best, > > Tony Schinella > > radiotony@comcast.net > > http://politizine.blogspot.com > > > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 10:12:08 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:06:05 2003 Subject: WMWM holiday shutdown; Bob Nelson "retiring" Message-ID: <20031201151208.66622.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> WMWM (91.7 Salem) will be shut down from Dec. 20, '03 to Jan. 5, '04 because Salem State will be closed for the holidays. (Same as last year.) If you hear anything on 91.7 it'll probably be that WUMB translator up in Newburyport/Amesbury (WNEF) during that period. Also I, Bob Nelson, am heading out of WMWM after almost 23 years (started 3/19/81). I want to have time for other things (like computer stuff!). My blues show, the Juke Joint, will be headed by Henry "Jump Steady" Bellows. Other Juke Joint DJs include Skippy White (of WUMB and record store fame), Toni Lynn Washington (famed blues/soul singer!), Joe Bednarek (formerly did a show at Georgetown Univ.), and Rich Hughes (of WMFO fame). Paul Spagnolia (of the bands Mission of Blues and the Wildcats) is leaving as he has a too-busy schedule. I'll do the occasional fill in at WMWM (and maybe WNSH, too). It's been fun but time to move on. (I'll be 42 in Feb. and had no idea when I was 19 I'd be at WMWM this long! :) ) "More powerful that two 60 watt light bulbs!" "We got more power, eh heh!" "WMWM...SALEM!" From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 1 12:26:33 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:18:32 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031130131852.00a22790@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On 11/30/03 1:23 PM, "SteveOrdinetz" wrote: > does 93.7 have a better signal in the city than 107.3? In addition to the statistics that Dan related, I'll say that on poor quality receivers such as most Walkmans, clock radios and boom-boxes in Boston and the immediate metro area (Cambridge, Somerville) WQSX 93.7 is marginally listenable while WAAF 107.3 is barely audible at best on such receivers. Eli Polonsky From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 1 12:50:08 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon Dec 1 12:42:05 2003 Subject: Today's LTAR: beautiful to rock; FM sports In-Reply-To: <113020031923.14501.3596@att.net> Message-ID: On 11/30/03 2:23 PM, "dan.strassberg@att.net" wrote: > Moreover, to keep within the rule that limits an FM DA's ratio > of maximum to minimum radiation... One station that I had heard was granted a "waiver" of that rule Was Tufts University's WMFO 91.5. I heard than when they applied to increase from ten watts to 125 watts in the early 80's, that the FCC required them to apply to "waive" that rule because their proposed power increase supposedly required a much more radical directional pattern than would normally be allowed. According to engineering documents I've seen on file at the station, they're authorized for their full 125 watts due east only (over Medford, Malden, Everett etc... and out to sea), but due west (toward Arlington, Lexington) only gets two effective watts in the extreme of the null! They disappear and get overtaken by WUML (U. Mass Lowell) going up the hill on Route 2 in Arlington just a few miles to the west. Eli Polonsky From sven@gordsven.com Mon Dec 1 15:02:04 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Mon Dec 1 15:02:12 2003 Subject: Fw: More on liberal radio network, supposedly coming to Boston ... In-Reply-To: <001c01c3b81a$a89b0ce0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Dan Strassberg wrote: > #5 is a big question mark. I presume they'd like a Chicago-area station. > Perhaps AM 1200 there, which has lost its Tx site, might be available. > Also, I believe that the owner of that station is in Chapter 11. WRTO-AM 12 in Chicago is owned by Hispanic Broadcasting (now Univision Radio). Believe me...that owner is nowhere NEAR Chapter 11 bankruptcy. :-) AM 12 is now a Spanish talk oriented station. The talk format moved there after Univision decided to change WIND-AM 56 to a Spanish AC format skewing towards older pop music from the 70s and 80s. AM 12 used to be WLXX with a tropical music format and after that format was ended, it was used for a few months to simulcast Chicago rimshotter's Viva 93.5-103.1 (Joliet & Highland Park) FM's Spanish pop format. Call letters used during the simulcast were WVIV-AM to match Highland Park's WVIV-FM 103.1 and Joliet's WVIX-FM 93.5. From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 1 15:26:18 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Mon Dec 1 15:26:07 2003 Subject: site of WAAF cp & Ch27 - correction to SteveOrdinetz Message-ID: <004c01c3b849$614a79a0$4afce341@p133> the WUNI 27 tower is in Boyston, just NE of the 290 & 140 intersection. Hudson is where WUTF 66 resides, off Parmenter Rd in the SE corner of Hudson, near boundary interection of Marlboro, Sudbury & Maynard. Steve, your points of limited improvement for WAAF's cp to ch27 tower are intelligent & well-spoken. A booster at the PRU makes sense, if enuf power to cover Boston, yet not interfere with the others. As a long-term listener of WAAF when I lived in western MA, I feel the COL change and cp are downright cheating WAAF's home listeners. and really, do they think they will cut into the Boston market enuf to justify all this? -Madprof From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 1 16:09:40 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 1 16:32:53 2003 Subject: site of WAAF cp & Ch27 - correction to SteveOrdinetz References: <004c01c3b849$614a79a0$4afce341@p133> Message-ID: <001b01c3b852$a2bf9740$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Sorry about the confusion between the 27 and 66 sites. I stand corrected. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert F. Sutherland To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: site of WAAF cp & Ch27 - correction to SteveOrdinetz > the WUNI 27 tower is in Boyston, just NE of the 290 & 140 intersection. > Hudson is where WUTF 66 resides, off Parmenter Rd in the SE corner > of Hudson, near boundary interection of Marlboro, Sudbury & Maynard. > > Steve, your points of limited improvement for WAAF's cp to ch27 tower are > intelligent & well-spoken. A booster at the PRU makes sense, if > enuf power to cover Boston, yet not interfere with the others. > > As a long-term listener of WAAF when I lived in western MA, I feel the COL > change and cp are downright cheating WAAF's home listeners. > and really, do they think they will cut into the Boston market enuf > to justify all this? > -Madprof > > From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 1 18:45:24 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Mon Dec 1 18:44:44 2003 Subject: re Re_ site of WAAF cp & Ch27 Message-ID: <000b01c3b865$31b59fa0$4afce341@p133> Sorry Dan, I mis-credited my praise of comments re WAAF, should have been to you. You are apparently a broadcasting engineer, a field I have great respect for. My profession has been computer test engineering, but since my youth, I've been a DX'er, and heavily drawn to the techincal / engineering sides of broadcast, so I know only enuf to be "dangerous". Your knowledge and insight are highly appreciated. Bob Sutherland From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 2 00:04:45 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Dec 2 00:05:05 2003 Subject: More WPTR Message-ID: <3FCBD71D.29011.541BE3@localhost> Tonight, WPTR seems to be running no Christmas music at all, just the regular "Legends" music. Earlier tonight, they were running "When Radio Was," hosted by Stan Freberg, which features old-time radio shows. They were playing an Abbott & Costello Show from the early 1950s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 01:32:14 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue Dec 2 01:37:33 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations Message-ID: <001301c3b89e$1b4bc580$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/01/radio/ <<<<<<< (CNN) -- The group hoping to launch a new liberal radio network is close to purchasing stations in five major markets. A spokesman for the initiative, dubbed Central Air, said Monday the company is near a deal to buy radio stations in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Boston. <<<<<<<<< Anyone know...or want to speculate what they are buying? JP From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 2 06:52:09 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 2 06:52:10 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <001301c3b89e$1b4bc580$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <000401c3b8ca$b7f4e390$9f00a8c0@boneill> > A spokesman for the initiative, dubbed Central Air, said > Monday the company > is near a deal to buy radio stations in New York, Los Angeles, San > Francisco, Philadelphia and Boston. > <<<<<<<<< > > Anyone know...or want to speculate what they are buying? > > JP Jive. Oops, that's what they're selling. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 2 07:11:34 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 2 07:14:22 2003 Subject: More WPTR References: <3FCBD71D.29011.541BE3@localhost> Message-ID: <002d01c3b8cd$c741f1a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Meanwhile, WCRN (830 Worcester) seems to have switched to all Christmas music, except from 9:00 AM to noon, when it carries Barry Armstrong's financial show and an hour of infomercials, and at other times when it carries brokered programming, including sports events. Strangely, WCRN's flip, which took place after Thanksgiving, has apparently escaped the attention of inveterate radio-board poster Joseph Gallant, who has started threads at Radio-Info.com about, what seem to be every other--real or imagined--Xmas flip in New England this year. And Mr Gallant professes to be a big fan of the Worcester station and it's swing-music format. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Joseph Ross To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:04 AM Subject: More WPTR > Tonight, WPTR seems to be running no Christmas music at all, just the regular "Legends" > music. Earlier tonight, they were running "When Radio Was," hosted by Stan Freberg, > which features old-time radio shows. They were playing an Abbott & Costello Show from the > early 1950s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 2 08:07:38 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 2 08:06:37 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <001301c3b89e$1b4bc580$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: ><<<<<<< >(CNN) -- The group hoping to launch a new liberal radio network is close to >purchasing stations in five major markets. >A spokesman for the initiative, dubbed Central Air, said Monday the company >is near a deal to buy radio stations in New York, Los Angeles, San >Francisco, Philadelphia and Boston. ><<<<<<<<< > >Anyone know...or want to speculate what they are buying? The only stations I can see that might be for sale would be the usual assortment of dogs. I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. Credible, entertaining liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 12:30:30 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 2 12:30:36 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > The only stations I can see that might be for sale > would be the usual > assortment of dogs. A post on radio-info.com/boston said that Albert (or is it Arthur?) Liu is being talked to (WLYN, WAZN) but who knows. > I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. > Credible, entertaining > liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. Al Franken is being talked to; while he does have some bestselling books his voice is a bit too bland and monotonic for my ears. Michael Jackson (no, not HIM, but a British-born talk host) used to do a national show and was on in LA for awhile but got dumped recently due to a format change. He's not too bad. As I've mentioned before, Stephanie Miller did a funny and interesting syndie show but her syndicator dumped her. The following page on freerepublic.com lists some local and national "liberal" hosts. One major blooper: Howie Carr, liberal?? :) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915744/posts From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 2 12:45:29 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 2 12:46:42 2003 Subject: howdy neighbor References: <000b01c3b865$31b59fa0$4afce341@p133> <005c01c3b86a$f44c6f80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <007401c3b87a$28cc3ba0$4afce341@p133> <002e01c3b8cd$c84e7fa0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <031d01c3b8ef$2fd6b2c0$4afce341@p133> Message-ID: <001c01c3b8fc$32411020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, not such close neighbors. I think by airline miles, I'm 2.1 miles almost exactly due north of 411 Waverley Oaks Rd. I'm in Arlington, a short way north of Route 2 Exit 57 not far from the Lexington line. As for the old WMEX data from Quincy, I do have (somewhere) a rather inexact polar plot of the old DA-1 pattern. It's in a 1970-something National Radio Club Night Pattern Book. As far as I can tell, the (two self-supporting) towers for that pattern were on a due north-south line, and I remember them as being relatively far apart. The pattern was kind of an upside-down figure eight with a broad major lobe centered on due north and a rather sizeable minor lobe centered on due south. I suspect that the towers were 90 degrees high. There's an interesting story about why you may have found bases for four towers at the Squantum site. Whether you found all the bases or not, there were four towers--but only three of them stood at the same time. WMEX was granted a CP for 50 kW-D and planned to add one (guy-supported) tower northeast of the existing south tower. The day pattern was a cardioid aimed northeastward--out to sea. The null to the southwest protected the (then) WNLC and also kept daytime skywave toward (then Class IB) WLAC within limits. Before WMEX could get the new day pattern on the air, however, the Commomwealth took part of the property for contruction of a new bridge across the Neponset River. Fortunately, enough land was left at the site for both the day and night arrays. In fact, the new day array was not affected, but the land on which the night array's north tower had stood, was taken. The original night array was duplicated a fraction of a wavelength east and slightly north of its original location by building a second guy-supported tower due north of the new day tower. Thus, if you could find all of the tower bases, they would describe a parallelogram. The loss of the land was just the beginning of WMEX's travails, however. Not long afterward, the Sate St South office complex was constructed to the east of the Squantum site. Although the effect of the buildings on the 50-kW day pattern wasn't awful, the effect on the night signal (which, in the western suburbs, had always been marginal at best) was horrendous. (Even before the buildings went up, WMEX got creamed by very strong first-adjacent skywave signals from WKBW (now WWKB) and WTOP, but later also by co-channel interference from a station in Sherbrooke PQ that signed on the the late '50s.) WMEX (or maybe it was WITS by then) at first hoped to correct the problem by enhancing its ground system, but the improvement was never noticeable. Faced with the loss of the lucrative Red Sox broadcast rights, the station secured a CP to move to Waltham. Because of the need to protect Sherbrooke and Nashville, a site northwest of Boston was about the only possible location for the night array. (Besides WNLC, a bunch of stations to the southwest of Boston had been dropped into WLAC's null toward Boston. WMEX, though only a Class II, predated Class IB WLAC. The situation of a co-channel Class II receiving protection from a Class I, though unusual, is not unique.) Unfortunately, management never realized until too late the huge beneftis of the salt-water path from Squantum to downtown Boston and the North Shore. Despite the cost, the station should have kept the Quincy site for days or arranged a daytime diplex with 1260. Until the move to Waltham, a lot of people scoffed at the old day pattern, which seemed to waste most of its power over the Ocean. Although the nay-sayers were technically correct, they forgot that land areas quite a good distance inland got the benefit of the superb conductivity of the sea water. Despite the use of 200-degree towers, the day signal from Waltham is a mere shadow of the 50-kW day signal from Squantum. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: madprof To: Dan Strassberg Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: howdy neighbor > meaning that I'm off South Street, Waltham, south of Brandeis, > 0.4 mi from WBRS ring antenna (Ed Perry of WADT is their consulting engr), > 0.5 mi from WRCA towers, 0.6 mi from WNTN tower. > > Grady Moates is a consulting engineering, including the primary for > 1510, he's spoken of changing power tubes at the 1150 site. > his company name, Loud and Clean, I realize now implies excellent > audio. so he must be a mix of audio & RF. > I have not been in the 1510 TX shed. > He was working the old WMEX site (Quincy) in 1980, (as WITS) > just before the Wal site was built, so he's promised me the WMEX > array data if he ever runs across it "buried somewhere" > > (hey, you wouldn't have WMEX old data would you? > field ratios, phasing, heights, spacing, orientation)???? > I have been seeking it to plot the old patterns & coverage, > only as a mathematical / comparison exercise? > yes, we DX'ers are crazy. > I have visited the Quincy swamp & attempted to measure > distance and angles between the 3 main cement butts > (1 is 4 butts, apparently was a self-supporting towers) > (there's also 6 guy wire anchors butts). > due to slippery mud, I was unable properly measure, > but semi-confirm reading from USGS & USGS aerial maps. > experimenting, I have yet to find a ratio / phase set that makes > any sense for reasonable coverage over Boston, etc. > someday. > > take care, as WBCN (Charles Laquidara? probably spelled wrong) > used to say "take it....anyway you can" > > Bob > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "Robert Sutherland" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:13 AM > Subject: Re: non-broadcast > > > > I've never met Grady Moates but I've heard several people describe him as > > brilliant. I thought, however, that he was an audio guy, not an RF guy. He > > is credited with, among others, WILD's very fine sound. However, WWZN's > > upgrade was an RF job--and I suspect a pretty straightforward one. When > > (then) WITS was moving to Waltham (1980-81), I hung out at 411 Waverley > Oaks > > Industrial Park (it's only a couple of miles from my house) and got to > talk > > to an engineer exactly once. He was, however, the project engineer from > the > > consulting firm that designed the array and I got to see the polar plots > of > > the standard patterns. Then, after the station had gone dark (1987), I > > caught the team of engineers who were reproofing and tweaking the array > > prior to the station's return to the air as WNRB. That time, I got to take > a > > quick look around inside the transmitter building. As I recall, there were > > three TXs inside--two 50-kW units and a 5-kW unit. I think that one of the > > 50-kW units and the 5 kW-unit were actually hooked up and ready to go on > the > > air. The other 50-kW unit, a huge blue RCA AmpliPhase box, was partially > > disassembled. > > > > -- > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Sutherland > > To: Dan Strassberg > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:15 PM > > Subject: re: non-broadcast > > > > > > > very impressive! your level of understanding still exceeds mine by a > > long > > > ways! > > > > > > I also had the engineering "basics" (at UMass Amherst), and have > > researched, > > > experimented with programs to estimate coverage AM / FM / TV, > > > and AM directional patterns (theoritical very good, "augmented" not at > all > > > usable. yet?), and area & channel maps. > > > I have visited many site & talked (live & online) with many broadcast > > > engineers, > > > especially at times of changes (ie 1510 & relaxed day pattern; Grady > > Moates) > > > 3 months ago I discovered the Rado-Tech list, all professionals, and > am > > > realized how much I have no clue about. > > > > > > Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Strassberg" > > > To: "Robert F. Sutherland" > > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: re Re_ site of WAAF cp & Ch27 > > > > > > > > > > An engineer yes (MSEE, PE); broadcast engineer, no. Never worked in > > radio > > > > engineering; it's just a hobby. In fact, I've never worked at all for > > > money > > > > in radio; I did do some radio for free when I was in college MANY > years > > > ago. > > > > What I've learned, I could never have learned if I weren't an EE, but > > none > > > > of it (except the fundamentals) came from school. I picked it all up > > > through > > > > listening, reading, and from people I've "met" on the Web. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > > > > eFax 707-215-6367 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Robert F. Sutherland > > > > To: ; Dan Strassberg > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:45 PM > > > > Subject: re Re_ site of WAAF cp & Ch27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Dan, I mis-credited my praise of comments re WAAF, > > > > > should have been to you. > > > > > You are apparently a broadcasting engineer, > > > > > a field I have great respect for. > > > > > > > > > > My profession has been computer test engineering, > > > > > but since my youth, I've been a DX'er, and heavily drawn > > > > > to the techincal / engineering sides of broadcast, > > > > > so I know only enuf to be "dangerous". > > > > > > > > > > Your knowledge and insight are highly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Bob Sutherland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 2 13:42:59 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 2 13:43:16 2003 Subject: East is east and west is west and I got the two confused; WAS Re: howdy neighbor References: <000b01c3b865$31b59fa0$4afce341@p133><005c01c3b86a$f44c6f80$19eefea9@dstrassberg><007401c3b87a$28cc3ba0$4afce341@p133><002e01c3b8cd$c84e7fa0$19eefea9@dstrassberg><031d01c3b8ef$2fd6b2c0$4afce341@p133> <001c01c3b8fc$32411020$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <001801c3b904$2058bcc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Of couse, the office complex was located to the WEST of WMEX's Squantum site. (And I see that I also misspelled S_t_ate St.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Strassberg To: madprof Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: howdy neighbor I wrote--erroneously: > > The loss of the land was just the beginning of WMEX's travails, however. Not > long afterward, the Sate St South office complex was constructed to the east > of the Squantum site. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 2 14:30:24 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:30:29 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com> <20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51397.216.204.15.170.1070393424.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote... >> I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. >> Credible, entertaining >> liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. > > Al Franken is being talked to; while he does have some > bestselling books his voice is a bit too > bland and monotonic for my ears. Jim Hightower (who was on the list you linked to) is another with a rather grating voice and accent. Has he ever done a longform show? I'm only aware of shortform commentaries. > Michael Jackson > (no, not HIM, but a British-born talk host) > used to do a national show and was on in LA for > awhile but got dumped recently due to a format > change. He's not too bad. Didn't a Boston station carry him a few years ago? The old WHDH maybe? I vaguely recall hearing him somewhere around here. A lot of the hosts on that list seemed to be either NPR or Pacifica. IMHO Pacifica is way too far out there to have any real cred, and I question how well NPR announcers will go over on commercial radio. Commercial and non-comm are really two different worlds (and audiences). From oldradio@earthlink.net Tue Dec 2 15:11:07 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:11:24 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com><20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> <51397.216.204.15.170.1070393424.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <064501c3b910$6d6ad8c0$5a20bb3f@S0031698896> << Michael Jackson (no, not HIM, but a British-born talk host) used to do a national show and was on in LA for awhile but got dumped recently due to a format change. He's not too bad.>>> An interesting and convincing web site to check on Michael Jackson's broadcast career, accolades, awards, his journals, discussion board, et al is: www.michaeljacksontalkradio.com He was born in So. Africa, incidentally, and started his late-night talk on KEWB Oakland -SF (then a top 40 format) following Casey Kassem's onair shift. "Emperor" Bob Hudson was also in the lineup afternoons in early-1960's. "Talk" radio that Michael did then was clearly expressing his opinions, while making it seem like he was complimenting the caller's opposing views. Ah...that charming British accent gets 'em every time! He'd be a really good bet on a Boston station. Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net (who worked at KEWB back then!!) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 15:49:24 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 2 15:49:28 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <51397.216.204.15.170.1070393424.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031202204924.12324.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Jim Hightower (who was on the list you linked to) is > another with a rather > grating voice and accent. Has he ever done a > longform show? I'm only > aware of shortform commentaries. I think he used to do a weekly show (Saturdays?) but it was cancelled. > > Michael Jackson > Didn't a Boston station carry him a few years ago? > The old WHDH maybe? I > vaguely recall hearing him somewhere around here. Not sure; I do know once I heard him on a station from ME or NH...WGIR? A friend in California sent me a tape or two of him from an LA station, but the station he was on changed to music and dumped talk, and him. > A lot of the hosts on that list seemed to be either > NPR or Pacifica. IMHO > Pacifica is way too far out there to have any real > cred, and I question > how well NPR announcers will go over on commercial > radio. Commercial and > non-comm are really two different worlds (and > audiences). One radio (AND TV) liberal show, "Democracy Now!", is a good example of this. You can see the TV version of "Democracy Now!" on many cable system's public access stations. The focus seems more on the world than the US and seems scholarly and public-radio style rather than what you'd hear on Rush, Hannity, etc.: http://www.democracynow.org I'd think the "liberal network" might instead try to do shows in the style of current _commercial_ talk radio: Playing cuts of newsmakers and reacting to them, poking fun often (as Laura Ingraham does); doing regular features (they could do their own versions of Ingraham's "Lie of the Day", Carr's "Chump Line", etc.) It remains to be seen whether or not the network would be willing to put opposing views on. Ingraham has put on mini-debates (for example, she talked about how a university in Texas had a group that "evaluated professors" and she had on not only one of the members of this group, but one of the professors they evaluated; and she also had on both sides of a "separation of church and state" issue). So if, say, the liberal network were to have an anti-war activist on, would they also have a conservative/war supporter on to debate him/her? Cable TV is doing this, too; like Fox TV's Hannity (conservative) and Colmes (liberal). From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 2 16:57:26 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:57:51 2003 Subject: WPAA-FM Off-the-air Message-ID: After months and months and months of continuous unmodulated "broadcasting", WPAA-FM 91.7, Phillips Andover Academy (silent) radio is off-the-air, as of Tuesday, Dec 2 at 4:00 pm. When I noticed the absence of this outlet, I decided to drop by the quadrangle while it was still daylight to see if the wind had blown down the 'tower'. It's still in place but there was no signal. Parked on the little hill tat is topped by the building with WPAA's antenna (a single 3-ring horizontal-only element), I could pick up both WUMB's Amesbury/Newburyport rebroadcaster amd WMWMWMWM (I know how to spell it, I just don't know when to stop, just like Sununununu). I wonder if this was a conscious decision by the school administration, or after months and months and months of absolutely uninterrupted and probably unattended' operation, the transmitter failed. Will they turn it on again if there is a problem, and if so, WHY? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 2 17:14:43 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:15:03 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM Message-ID: For a period of time this afternoon (12/02), there was spurious noise on WBZ-AM. It was a combination hum and hiss, and it really walloped 1010 and 1050, but WBIX was ok. Did anyone else notice this; if the Hull transmitter was malfunctioning, and WBZ was aware of it, why wouldn't they go to the Soldiers Field Rd backup during afternoon drive? It's powerful enough for inside-495 coverage, and believe me, today people want to know about the weather! Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From ecps92@earthlink.net Tue Dec 2 17:19:49 2003 From: ecps92@earthlink.net (*Bill) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:23:49 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM References: Message-ID: <068301c3b922$66be9ae0$6501a8c0@net> I thought it was just my instalation of X-Mas lights around the house, as it seemed to be synched. I have heard it before..but thought it was inside my house...Thanks.. Bill Dunn N1KUG http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 17:14 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM > For a period of time this afternoon (12/02), there was > spurious noise on WBZ-AM. It was a combination hum and hiss, > and it really walloped 1010 and 1050, but WBIX was ok. > Did anyone else notice this; if the Hull transmitter was > malfunctioning, and WBZ was aware of it, why wouldn't they go > to the Soldiers Field Rd backup during afternoon drive? > It's powerful enough for inside-495 coverage, and believe me, today > people want to know about the weather! > > Laurence Glavin > > > From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 2 17:25:47 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:26:02 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Liberal radio group buying five stations Message-ID: >DATE: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:30:24 >From: "SteveOrdinetz" >To: Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Bob Nelson wrote... >> I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. >> Credible, entertaining >> liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. > > Al Franken is being talked to; while he does have some > bestselling books his voice is a bit too > bland and monotonic for my ears. >Jim Hightower (who was on the list you linked to) is >another with a rather >grating voice and accent. Has he ever done a >longform show? I'm only >aware of shortform commentaries. He had a two- or three-hour show on WRKO-AM for a while, and the Boston Globe ran an editorial suggesting WRKO keep him on for "balance". I thought his voice was ok, and he used some humor and sound insertions that lent a little levity to the show. > Michael Jackson > (no, not HIM, but a British-born talk host) > used to do a national show and was on in LA for > awhile but got dumped recently due to a format > change. He's not too bad. >Didn't a Boston station carry him a few years ago? >The old WHDH maybe? I >vaguely recall hearing him somewhere around here. He was on AM 1060 in Natick in an earlier incarnation; it used the towers that AM 890 now employs and if I recall correctly the calls were something like WTTP (similar to the current AM 1150). When 'WTTP' failed, he was never picked up by anyone else, although I believe he remained widely syndicated for a while. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 2 17:35:46 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:36:12 2003 Subject: From "BIGTIME Radio" to LPFM Message-ID: I see on AllAccess.com that a gentleman named Harry Kozlowski is leaving the mini-cluster of standard FM's in Concord, NH to assume the General Management of the new classical LPFM at 94.7 in the Live-Free-Or-Die State Capital. This strikes me as a very unusual move unless Harry is otherwise independently wealthy. I'm going to assume that 94.7 must be getting close to its sign-on. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 2 17:43:06 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 2 17:43:08 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53791.216.204.15.170.1070404986.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > For a period of time this afternoon (12/02), there was > spurious noise on WBZ-AM. It was a combination hum and hiss, > and it really walloped 1010 and 1050, but WBIX was ok. > Did anyone else notice this; if the Hull transmitter was > malfunctioning, and WBZ was aware of it, why wouldn't they go > to the Soldiers Field Rd backup during afternoon drive? > It's powerful enough for inside-495 coverage, and believe me, today > people want to know about the weather! Can't say as I noticed that, but one thing I have noticed occasionally on WBZ is something that almost sounds like streaming buffering...where it will skip a syllable or two in the middle of an actuality or a pre-recorded feature. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 2 19:24:50 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 2 19:19:58 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM Message-ID: <200312021924.AA1394802818@mail.ttlc.net> "SteveOrdinetz" noted: > one thing I have noticed occasionally on >WBZ is something that almost sounds like streaming buffering...where it >will skip a syllable or two in the middle of an actuality or a >pre-recorded feature. I've noticed that many times - especially in commercials thay've run a million times. Shows up like a sore thumb. Also, has anyone noticed the "beeps", "chimes" and other computer noises that the studio mic is picking up? It's quite annoying and very unprofessional (IMHO). From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 2 19:22:13 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 2 19:21:35 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM Message-ID: <200312021922.AA1375535198@mail.ttlc.net> "Laurence Glavin" posted: >For a period of time this afternoon (12/02), there was >spurious noise on WBZ-AM. It was a combination hum and hiss, >and it really walloped 1010 and 1050, but WBIX was ok. >Did anyone else notice this; Around 12:25, I noticed that carrier dumped for 5 seconds and when it came back, there were "pops" in the sound. Continued until arrived at work (1:00). From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 2 19:40:26 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 2 19:35:35 2003 Subject: McNabb wants Rush For Marketing? Message-ID: <200312021940.AA1328152880@mail.ttlc.net> Today on the Rush Limbaugh show, the Great One noted that on ESPN yesterday, football player McNabb was quite cordial speaking about Rush and said he would like him to be his marketing man. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 2 19:42:37 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 2 19:37:49 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations Message-ID: <200312021942.AA1436745768@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. Credible, entertaining >liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. Jack Williams commented about same thing on the Bruds show recently. From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 2 20:17:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:17:30 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com><20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> <51397.216.204.15.170.1070393424.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <001c01c3b93b$35c99c00$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I remember Michael Jackson's old show. I enjoyed it. Jim Hightower used to do a weekend show that was syndicated by ABC. It was pretty bad. From mishkin@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 20:28:53 2003 From: mishkin@yahoo.com (Nathaniel Mishkin) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:28:58 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? Message-ID: <20031203012853.50523.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know how many DTV people there are on this list, but here goes anyway... I had been happily watching WFXT-DT (Channel 31) for several weeks but last week or so it disappeared. I continue to get all the other Boston DTV channels so whatever the problem is, it seems unlikely that it's my antenna or DTV tuner? Is anyone else having problems with this station? Thanks. -- Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Tue Dec 2 22:53:45 2003 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Tue Dec 2 22:53:43 2003 Subject: Spurious Noise on WBZ-AM In-Reply-To: <068301c3b922$66be9ae0$6501a8c0@net> References: <068301c3b922$66be9ae0$6501a8c0@net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20031202225216.01d04b48@incoming.verizon.net> At 05:19 PM 12/2/2003, *Bill wrote: >I thought it was just my instalation of X-Mas lights around the house, as it >seemed to be synched. Me too. I was working on one of my computers at the time (with its cover off) and had thought it might be that. It sounded like someone twisting a bad XLR cable over and over. Take care, Dave David Moisan, N1KGH ARES/SKYWARN dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Invisible Disability: http://www.davidmoisan.org/invisible_disability.html ATS-909 FAQ: http://www.davidmoisan.org/radio/sangean/ats909faq.html From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 23:13:06 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue Dec 2 23:13:17 2003 Subject: Thanksgiving Turkey Station - Nashua 87.7 mystery station off the air Message-ID: <20031203041306.864.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> The Nashua 87.7 mystery station off the air as of Sunday evening. The station location was on Airport Road just behind Bickford's (Amherst Street Rte 101A), either in the motor freight company or the sheet metal shop next to it. I suspect we might see it back on for over Christmas, or maybe Kwanza, or New Years. Anyways, that Thanksgiving turkey is gone! John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 2 23:22:04 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Dec 2 23:22:40 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <001301c3b89e$1b4bc580$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3FCD1E9C.18306.3CB6C6@localhost> On 2 Dec 2003 at 8:07, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I'd be curious about their proposed line-up. Credible, entertaining > liberal talk hosts aren't exactly dime a dozen. I heard on CNN this morning that they have commedian Al Franken. Sounds like they at least realize that they need to be entertaining. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Dec 3 01:26:12 2003 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed Dec 3 01:22:01 2003 Subject: Liberal radio group buying five stations References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202080241.00a23070@pop3.bit-net.com><20031202173030.33788.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> <51397.216.204.15.170.1070393424.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002d01c3b966$592a1a00$6401a8c0@LizardHome> "SteveOrdinetz" wrote: > IMHO Pacifica is way too far out there to have any real cred, I'd venture to say that Savage is "out there" only 180 degrees in the other direction. Hath he cred? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 03:25:33 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 3 03:25:47 2003 Subject: WPAA-FM Off-the-air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031203082533.32741.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > After months and months and months of continuous > unmodulated > "broadcasting", WPAA-FM 91.7, Phillips Andover > Academy (silent) > radio is off-the-air, as of Tuesday, Dec 2 at 4:00 > pm. Not sure if they've given up, or are in a lull (who knows when they'll come back...) I did find this site which was apparently done around the fall of 2002: http://users.aol.com/wpaa/ They have the domain name wpaa.com but right now it's not pointing to anything. Maybe we can try the email addresses on the above site and ask what's the deal... 100000watts.com lists "National Public Radio" as their "Network". For a 25 watt station? :) From rich@RichChadwick.com Wed Dec 3 05:57:26 2003 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Wed Dec 3 05:57:38 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: <20031203012853.50523.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200312031057.hB3AvbxM021434@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> >> Is anyone else having problems with this station? Nat, Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG message stating that WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission line" and is working "non-stop" to restore the digital signal. Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed Dec 3 09:19:01 2003 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed Dec 3 09:19:05 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Dec 2003 05:57:26 EST." <200312031057.hB3AvbxM021434@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200312031419.hB3EJ1UF012581@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> >Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG message stating that >WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission line" and is working >"non-stop" to restore the digital signal. The same message also said it would be "days" (as opposed to hours or minutes) before the signal would be restored, though. Hmm... how cold does it have to be before it's considered too cold for tower climbers to do their work? I wonder if they might put this off for a while. (Bet it wouldn't take as long to fix if it were analog Channel 25 that was forced off the air...) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit.edu From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Dec 3 10:13:56 2003 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:14:05 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: <200312031419.hB3EJ1UF012581@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> References: <200312031419.hB3EJ1UF012581@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3FCDFDB4.1020900@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Probably not the cold as much as the high winds. Tony Shawn Mamros wrote: >>Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG message stating that >>WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission line" and is working >>"non-stop" to restore the digital signal. >> >> > >The same message also said it would be "days" (as opposed to hours or >minutes) before the signal would be restored, though. > >Hmm... how cold does it have to be before it's considered too cold for >tower climbers to do their work? I wonder if they might put this off >for a while. (Bet it wouldn't take as long to fix if it were analog >Channel 25 that was forced off the air...) > >-Shawn Mamros >E-mail to: mamros -at- mit.edu > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Dec 3 10:35:32 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed Dec 3 10:35:42 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: <3FCDFDB4.1020900@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <000201c3b9b3$194913d0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Might this also be caused by the lead time for a replacement of the required part? My guess is that the HDTV stuff is being installed as soon as the factories crank it out and that there's not a lot of spare parts inventory sitting around yet. This, of course, is just speculation. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > >>Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG message stating > >>that WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission line" and is > >>working "non-stop" to restore the digital signal. > >> > >> > > > >The same message also said it would be "days" (as opposed to hours or > >minutes) before the signal would be restored, though. > > > >Hmm... how cold does it have to be before it's considered > too cold for > >tower climbers to do their work? I wonder if they might put > this off > >for a while. (Bet it wouldn't take as long to fix if it were analog > >Channel 25 that was forced off the air...) > > > >-Shawn Mamros > >E-mail to: mamros -at- mit.edu > > > > > > > > > From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 3 16:39:07 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Dec 3 16:39:26 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WPAA-FM Off-the-air Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:25:33 >From: Bob Nelson >To: lglavin@lycos.com, boston-radio->interest@bostonradio.org --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > After months and months and months of continuous > unmodulated > "broadcasting", WPAA-FM 91.7, Phillips Andover > Academy (silent) > radio is off-the-air, as of Tuesday, Dec 2 at 4:00 > pm. >Not sure if they've given up, or are in a lull (who >knows when they'll come back...) I did find this site >which was apparently done around the fall of 2002: >ttp://users.aol.com/wpaa/ >They have the domain name wpaa.com but right now it's >not pointing to anything. Maybe we can try the >email addresses on the above site and ask what's >the deal... wpaa.COM? Weird, when you consider Howie Carr's website is howircarr.ORG. Also, the word Advertising' appears on the website; could they be mire cimmercialk-sounding than "Lowell Sunrise" on WUML? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 3 16:43:51 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Dec 3 16:44:12 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:35:32 >From: "Brian Vita" >To: "'Tony Abruzzese'" ,"'Shawn Mamros'" >Might this also be caused by the lead time for a >replacement of the required >part? My guess is that the HDTV stuff is being >installed as soon as the >factories crank it out and that there's not a lot of >spare parts inventory >sitting around yet. This, of course, is just >speculation. >Brian T. Vita, President >Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. >77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 >Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA >+1-978-538-7575 voice >+1-978-538-7550 fax >www.cssinc.co > >>Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG message stating > >>that WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission line" and is > >>working "non-stop" to restore the digital signal. This may also explain the crappy over-the-air signal of WFXT TV25 that was mentioned earlier. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Wed Dec 3 18:25:58 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed Dec 3 18:26:58 2003 Subject: TR's M. Jackson (Was: Liberal radio group...) Message-ID: <3FCE7106.B9BFDB46@Programmer.Net> Steve Ordinetz wrote, > Bob Nelson wrote... >> Michael Jackson >> (no, not HIM, but a British-born talk host) >> used to do a national show and was on in LA for >> awhile but got dumped recently due to a format >> change. He's not too bad. > > > Didn't a Boston station carry him a few years ago? The old > WHDH maybe? I vaguely recall hearing him somewhere around here. Wasn't he on the now defunct Mutual Broadcasting Network (locally Beverly's--then--WMLO or WBVD) and then/or ABC radio? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Wed Dec 3 18:26:39 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed Dec 3 18:27:09 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? Message-ID: <3FCE712F.C6423403@Programmer.Net> Nathaniel Mishkin wrote, > I had been happily watching WFXT-DT (Channel 31) for > several weeks but last week or so it disappeared. I > continue to get all the other Boston DTV channels so > whatever the problem is, it seems unlikely that it's > my antenna or DTV tuner? > > Is anyone else having problems with this station? Well, as I noted last week, WFXT-25 has appeared to be at reduced power for almost two weeks now (they apparently returned to full power for a day or so, then dropped back down again, where they have remained, since). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 3 18:49:20 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 3 18:49:37 2003 Subject: WPAA-FM Off-the-air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f401c3b9f8$1cbd1e90$2102a8c0@boneill> I could pick > up both WUMB's Amesbury/Newburyport rebroadcaster amd > WMWMWMWM (I know how to spell it, I just don't know when to stop, > just like Sununununu). Can you check to see if there is any improvement from WUML (91.5 Lowell). They protect WPAA, the primary reason for its directional signal. Bill O'Neill From mishkin@yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:46:18 2003 From: mishkin@yahoo.com (Nathaniel Mishkin) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:46:20 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? Message-ID: <20031204004618.70109.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks. In case anyone else cares about this as much as I do ("I need my widescreen version of the show '24'!" :-), I submitted something to WFXT's web site's feedback form about this topic and got the following: =========================== We have been having trouble with our transmitter. We are waiting for some parts to arrive so that it may be fixed. It is our TOP priority. We are hoping to have it fixed by the end of this week. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thanks. =========================== I guess it says something about the market penetration of DTV that a broadcaster finds it acceptable to be off the air for 2 weeks rather than stock spares. -- Nat --- Rich Chadwick wrote: > >> Is anyone else having problems with this station? > > Nat, > > Comcast is displaying a set of color bars with a CG > message stating that > WFXT is having trouble with their "transmission > line" and is working > "non-stop" to restore the digital signal. > > > Rich Chadwick > MultiMediaPros.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From sid@wrko.com Wed Dec 3 21:07:20 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed Dec 3 22:04:06 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? Message-ID: >>We are waiting for some parts to arrive so that it may be fixed. It is our TOP priority.<< Am I the only one who sees a contradiction in those two sentences? Every time I have been involved in a buying a transmitter, I have INSISTED that the owner buy the spare parts kits as well. An owner who puts being on the air as a top priority (and in the grand scheme of broadcasting, that's all that matters, isn't it?) would have known that electronic and mechanical things break down, and would have been prepared for it. Ultimately, one would hope, a back-up transmitter would be part of the plant too...but with so few HDTV viewers right now, the lack of one is almost understandable. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI From engineer@the-spa.com Wed Dec 3 23:02:40 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Wed Dec 3 23:01:50 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? References: <3FCE712F.C6423403@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <001e01c3ba1b$76dec4a0$367787ac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" > > Well, as I noted last week, WFXT-25 has appeared to be at reduced > power for almost two weeks now (they apparently returned to full > power for a day or so, then dropped back down again, where they > have remained, since). > WFXT-DT transmits from a bottom hanging antenna off of the Needham Candelabra , which is mounted below their analog stick (you should hear the stories from the guys at Spectrasite about that installation!). WFXT transmitting at a lower power MAY be a side affect to a different issue OR they are temporarily combining the two signals, which causes WFXT to be at lower power. Again this is pure speculation on my part. About the note back from WFXT saying "their transmitter is having problems" may lead me to believe that possibly the note did not come from the engineering staff but the promotions or "public relations" department. Many public relations/promotional people at stations don't know the difference between a antenna, transmitter or tower. They just know that all three make the signal happen somehow, somewhere. About tower crews going up on towers during the cold weather, the temperature doesn't matter. We had tower guys working not too far from our Main antenna today at 10am. Even though it was breezy and cold. I've seen tower guys work in temperatures well below freezing before, although not pleasant, it is done. Usually ice, thunderstorms, and wind are big factors in not doing tower work. --Mike Fitzpatrick From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 4 00:06:51 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Dec 4 00:07:20 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: <3FCDFDB4.1020900@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <200312031419.hB3EJ1UF012581@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3FCE7A9B.12496.903CFF@localhost> On 3 Dec 2003 at 10:13, Tony Abruzzese wrote: > Probably not the cold as much as the high winds. Back in November 1957, the initial sign-on of WHDH-TV channel 5 was postponed for a week or two because the weather, mostly wind, didn't allow people to get up the tower (now the FM 128 tower) to complete the installation of the transmitting antenna. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 04:48:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 4 04:48:54 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WPAA-FM Off-the-air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031204094850.98128.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> --- Laurence Glavin wrote: > wpaa.COM? Weird, when you consider Howie Carr's > website is > howircarr.ORG. Yeah...and I think someone else has the wpaa.org registered (a commercial firm!). Many college/non-comm. stations use ".org". As for Howie, as we've said before, someone in Salem registered the domain names howiecarr.com and howiecarr.net; 'RKO picked up howiecarr.org and sent a nasty letter to the guy from Salem (who decided that he would NOT give up those domains due to the legal threats). I'm surprised 'RKO hasn't tried to get howiecarrshow.com, which I believe is still available. Ideally, commercial entities are supposed to have .coms and non-profit organizations are supposed to have .org... From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Dec 4 10:01:51 2003 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu Dec 4 10:01:55 2003 Subject: WFXT-DT (Channel 31) off the air? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:02:40 EST." <001e01c3ba1b$76dec4a0$367787ac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <200312041501.hB4F1pkU003790@buzzword-bingo.mit.edu> >About the note back from WFXT saying "their transmitter is having problems" >may lead me to believe that possibly the note did not come from the >engineering staff but the promotions or "public relations" department. Many >public relations/promotional people at stations don't know the difference >between a antenna, transmitter or tower. They just know that all three make >the signal happen somehow, somewhere. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the crawl which Comcast is running in place of WFXT-DT states that the problem is with the "transmission line". Assuming that to be factually correct (and one would assume Comcast's engineers would have a more direct line to WFXT's engineers than most "mere mortals" would), it might explain a few things. (Warning: the following is gross speculation on my part...) - I don't know how many stations keep several hundred feet of TV transmission-grade line lying around as a spare. If it were the transmitter proper, one might expect them to keep spare parts around, as Sid mentioned, but for the transmission line instead, it might not be common practice to have a spare immediately handy. Plus, stringing up new line almost certainly means tower work, which could be delayed due to wind. - The problem could actually be with the transmission line leading to the antenna normally used for analog channel 25. Rather than try to put up a temporary tower/antenna, it would be far quicker to use the antenna for digital channel 31 in its stead, which would take WFXT-DT off the air but keep the more important analog WFXT running. An antenna tuned for channel 31 would probably be "good enough" for a signal on channel 25, but it would certainly be less efficient than an antenna tuned for 25. This would explain what is apparently a weaker signal at present for analog 25, in addition to the disappearance of the digital signal. Just a guess... -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 4 16:59:33 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Dec 4 16:59:55 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: WPAA-FM Off-the-air Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:49:20 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: ,interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> >I could pick > up both WUMB's Amesbury/Newburyport rebroadcaster amd > WMWMWMWM (I know how to spell it, I just don't know when to stop, > just like Sununununu). >Can you check to see if there is any improvement from >WUML (91.5 Lowell). They >protect WPAA, the primary reason for its directional >signal. >Bill O'Neil Incredible as it may seem, WJUL/WUML always held up well on rt 28 as I drove RIGHT PAST the campus of Phillips Academy; the WPAA transmitter is set back an eighth-of-a-mile from Main Street, just off Salem St beyond the red brick obelisk. You had to go to the complex of buildings that houses the transmitter and the single-bay antenna THEN WPAA would squelch 91.5 from Lowell. Their website claimes 33 or so watts ERP; I believe from the uninterrupted months-long operation, the power might have been below even 10 watts. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 4 17:05:57 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Dec 4 17:06:19 2003 Subject: More "Hash" On WBZ-AM Message-ID: I noticed a hissing sound on WBZ-AM again this afternoon (12/04) with really serious hash on 1010, 1020, and 1040...WBIX was on daytime CH and its splatter covered any hash on 1050 (this was on rt 128). Up in Methuen there was still some noise on adjacent frequencies, leading me to wonder if NewsRadio 1030 is testing digital radio. And if so, could some noise reach all the way to Lake Sunapee,NH where AM 1010 is broadcasting. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 4 18:11:05 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Dec 4 18:11:24 2003 Subject: Clea Simon Contracts Clea Simon Disease Message-ID: In her regular Thursday "Radio Tracks" column today (12/04), Clea Simon gets one station wrong in her list of (not so)Greater Media properties: she assigns WODS-FM 103.3 to that company's portfolio. Otherwise, the article is a serviceable profile of GM's Capo-di-tutti-capi, Matt Mills. Read all about it at: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/338/living/He_helps_keep_stations_tuned_in+.shtml Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 4 21:13:21 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:12:08 2003 Subject: New Name For WBZ's Traffic On The 3's Message-ID: <004a01c3bad5$5bae0f00$64f88018@markscomputer> I noticed that WBZ (1030) has a new name for "Traffic On The 3's:". Thanks to Subaru, it's now called "WBZ/Subaru New England All Wheel Drive Traffic" brought to you by (this report's sponsor spoken here, such as "The Nutcracker At The Wang Center"). A mouthful for the news anchor to say the least. Can't wait for the "WBZ/Subaru New England All Wheel Drive Traffic brought to you by your New England Ford Dealers". Mark Watson From paulranderson@charter.net Thu Dec 4 21:34:36 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:35:36 2003 Subject: New Name For WBZ's Traffic On The 3's In-Reply-To: <004a01c3bad5$5bae0f00$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <004a01c3bad5$5bae0f00$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <91322714-26CB-11D8-99F7-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Dec 4, 2003, at 9:13 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > I noticed that WBZ (1030) has a new name for "Traffic On The 3's:". > Thanks to Subaru, it's now called "WBZ/Subaru New England All Wheel > Drive Traffic" brought to you by (this report's sponsor spoken here, > such as "The Nutcracker At The Wang Center"). And at the end of the report, they now say "next traffic at :nn past the hour" instead of "next traffic in ten minutes". I wonder what the benefit of that is. Paul From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 4 23:33:22 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Dec 4 23:28:29 2003 Subject: New Name For WBZ's Traffic On The 3's Message-ID: <200312042333.AA1738146018@mail.ttlc.net> "Mark Watson" spake: >I noticed that WBZ (1030) has a new name for "Traffic On The 3's:". >Thanks to Subaru, it's now called "WBZ/Subaru New England All Wheel >Drive Traffic" brought to you by (this report's sponsor spoken here, >such as "The Nutcracker At The Wang Center"). A mouthful for the news >anchor to say the least. Can't wait for the "WBZ/Subaru New England >All Wheel Drive Traffic brought to you by your New England Ford >Dealers". Another change: They now state the exact time of the next report e.g. "Next traffic report at 23 minutes after the hour." instead of the old "next traffic in 10 minutes". Combine this extra verbiage with the extra mouthful at the beginning and there's now at least 5 seconds less time available for real traffic info. From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Dec 5 16:47:57 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Dec 5 16:48:19 2003 Subject: Jay Severin To Be On WGBH/WGBX-TV's "Beat the Press" Message-ID: Jay Severin* of WTTK Talk 969 said this afternoon (12/05) that he was interviewed for a segment on a possible liberal talk-radio network by Emily or John from "Greater Boston"'s "Beat the Press" program. It will air Friday night and the overnight Saturday am on channel 2 and Saturday morning at 8:30 am on channel 44. Laurence Glavin *Jay was in town briefly for a live show at a restaurant. He may be stuck here by the nor'easter. ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Fri Dec 5 17:23:51 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri Dec 5 17:24:03 2003 Subject: Radio-info/Boston Lit Up By WBZ Digital Signal Message-ID: I had begun to believe that the Boston board at radio-info.com had become as moribund as "Tunnel Radio" (remember that; they had a little AM station on all Boston AM frequencies with almost nothing but commercials voiced by Jordan Rich. Eventually "Tunnel Radio" went in the hole and folded.) But the subject of digital testing of HD Radio on WBZ has started a firestorm, with some AM Stereo fanatics also weighing in. Some of you, if you haven't dropped by since the registration requirement was instituted, may wish to peek at the WBZ Digital Disaster posts. (BTW, one poster claimed that WJIB-AM runs AM stereo during butterfly-breath power; I believe Bob said this is not so.) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 6 10:17:24 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat Dec 6 10:17:59 2003 Subject: WBIX--Harvard Hockey Message-ID: <001801c3bc0c$16937da0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Just heard a promo on WBIX that says the games are coming soon to WBIX (meaning that whoever is responsible for the promo believes that the night signal will be on "soon"--whatever that means). In the meantime, the promo advises listeners to tune to WROL or WSRO, or to listen via the Web. For sure, the snow--whether it's coming down or just lying on the ground, doesn't simplify the job of tuning a complex AM directional array. Even if the snow doesn't obstruct access to the monitoring points, it increases the soil conductivity, making the adjustments more difficult. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Dec 6 18:13:52 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Dec 6 18:14:03 2003 Subject: WBIX--Harvard Hockey Message-ID: <200312062313.SAA28091@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:17:24, "Dan Strassberg" wrote: > Just heard a promo on WBIX that says the games are coming soon to WBIX > (meaning that whoever is responsible for the promo believes that the night > signal will be on "soon"--whatever that means). In the meantime, the promo > advises listeners to tune to WROL or WSRO, or to listen via the Web. > > For sure, the snow--whether it's coming down or just lying on the ground, > doesn't simplify the job of tuning a complex AM directional array. Even if > the snow doesn't obstruct access to the monitoring points, it increases the > soil conductivity, making the adjustments more difficult. The Globe's Bill Griffith mentioned this a couple weeks ago in his sports radio/TV column. As someone has mentioned here before, WHRB's signal so thumps that of any station (740//1120, 1230//1300, 1510 back in the Talk America days, etc.)/programmer that's attempted to do Harvard sports commercial broadcasts in the past that it can't make too much money or get too many listeners anywhere on the AM dial. The sole exception might be Harvard football; I could see a broker wanting to anchor a Saturday football day on WJIB with Harvard football and a college/high school scoreboard show afterwards potentially doing well for themselves. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 6 21:24:22 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Dec 6 21:24:42 2003 Subject: got weather? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031206211831.022f3cc8@pop.registeredsite.com> So, it's about 9 pm and I wanted to get the latest weather report-- I mean, it's snowing like crazy out there, and I wanted to know what the situation is with this storm-- I had gone to the internet and looked at the various maps and an older NECN report from a couple of hours ago, but was curious as to what local radio was doing. WTKK 96.9 Talk evidently wasn't talking about weather-- they did their usual CNN national news, and then went right into a show about mortgages (I was only half listening-- seemed like some business kind of show); WBZ, the place I usually go for news and weather, had a Bruins game. In fact, many of the places I went as I scanned the dial didn't seem to have live humans on the air, or they had a regularly scheduled show that was syndicated. Okay fine, this isn't the Blizzard of 78, but I was just curious about what happens when people need information on a weekend night and hope they can find it on radio. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 6 21:40:03 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat Dec 6 21:40:34 2003 Subject: got weather? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031206211831.022f3cc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000701c3bc6b$705d6f80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Before the Bs game began, WBZ was very agressively leading off each 10-minute segment with a pre-recorded Accu-Weather report. The reports must be 30 sec long. I don't know how many of these 30-second pieces WBZ keeps in its queue or how often the queue is refreshed during storm conditions, but my guess is that you have to listen longer than 30 minutes to hear the same Accu-Weather piece twice. Of course, that doesn't answer your question. I doubt whether the Bs would be really happy if the game coverage were interrupted every 10 minutes for Accu-Weather, although the technology exists to slice 30-second chunks out of the game and then compress 10 minutes of the game down to 9:30 to keep the game coverage "live." -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: got weather? > So, it's about 9 pm and I wanted to get the latest weather report-- I mean, > it's snowing like crazy out there, and I wanted to know what the situation > is with this storm-- I had gone to the internet and looked at the various > maps and an older NECN report from a couple of hours ago, but was curious > as to what local radio was doing. WTKK 96.9 Talk evidently wasn't talking > about weather-- they did their usual CNN national news, and then went right > into a show about mortgages (I was only half listening-- seemed like some > business kind of show); WBZ, the place I usually go for news and weather, > had a Bruins game. In fact, many of the places I went as I scanned the > dial didn't seem to have live humans on the air, or they had a regularly > scheduled show that was syndicated. Okay fine, this isn't the Blizzard of > 78, but I was just curious about what happens when people need information > on a weekend night and hope they can find it on radio. > > From billo@shoreham.net Sat Dec 6 21:57:11 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Dec 6 21:57:12 2003 Subject: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031206211831.022f3cc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <000301c3bc6d$d1284400$9f00a8c0@boneill> Donna writes: Okay fine, this isn't > the Blizzard of > 78, but I was just curious about what happens when people > need information > on a weekend night and hope they can find it on radio. Here in the Green Mtn. State, snow is just a way of life. Nonetheless, it was WDEV (550 Waterbury//96.1 Warren) that win hands-down. Roger Hill wx, live with jock 1-2 x per hour, cancellations amidst music. "Music to get snow-dumped by...." Forget any CC station legitimacy on a day such as this. Hall's WOKO (98.9 Burl.) didn't fare as well as I would have expected, even for a weekend. CC's WXZO recently brought aboard a "real" weather guy with WSI's Rob Carolyn tracking reports. Not sure if WSI had anyone feeding today. Here in western Addison County, we're at about 15" and still counting. Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vermont From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sat Dec 6 22:04:16 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sat Dec 6 21:59:18 2003 Subject: got weather? Message-ID: <200312062204.AA694878364@mail.ttlc.net> Donna Halper wrote: >So, it's about 9 pm and I wanted to get the latest weather report-- I >mean, it's snowing like crazy out there, and I wanted to know what the >situation is with this storm-- I had gone to the internet and looked >at the various maps and an older NECN report from a couple of hours >ago, but was curious as to what local radio was doing. WTKK 96.9 Talk >evidently wasn't talking about weather-- they did their usual CNN >national news, and then went right into a show about mortgages (I was >only half listening-- seemed like some business kind of show); WBZ, >the place I usually go for news and weather, had a Bruins game. In >fact, many of the places I went as I scanned the dial didn't seem to >have live humans on the air, or they had a regularly scheduled show >that was syndicated. Okay fine, this isn't the Blizzard of 78, but I >was just curious about what happens when people need information on a >weekend night and hope they can find it on radio. Try Christmas 103.3 - IIRC, they do Wx 2x/hr From markwats@comcast.net Sat Dec 6 23:04:49 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat Dec 6 23:03:24 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm Message-ID: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer> While radio may be busy with sports, birdfeed, or voice tracked weekend programs, Boston TV stations have been on top of this weekend storm. From my observations today, this is what I saw: WBZ-TV (Channel 4) had a special local newscast on when I woke up just after 8AM. They remained on till 11. CBS had college football (Army/Navy) on when 6PM rolled around, so WBZ-TV aired a special 1 hour newscast at 6 on WSBK (Channel 38). The weekend anchors worked the morning show, with Barry Burbank & Mish Michaels handling the weather duties (Mish out in the field). At 6, The weeknight 10PM UPN 38 anchors Ted Wayman & Sara Underwood manned the anchor desk, with Ed Carroll at the weather map. WCVB (Channel 5) had cut-ins on the hour & half hour till Noon, mostly just a weather update with Dave Epstein. A special hour newscast aired at 12 Noon, anchored by weekday Eyeopener anchor Ed Harding, with J.C. Monahan and Dave Epstein sharing the weather duties. ABC had a college football tripleheader that started at 1PM, but Channel 5 promised halftime updates during each game & between each game, with weeknight meterologists Dick Albert & Harvey Leonard joining weeknight anchor Liz Brunner. WCVB will be airing a special 3 hour newscast Sunday from 7-10 AM and expanding their 12 Noon Sunday newscast to an hour. WHDH (Channel 7) had their regular 2 hour Saturday morning newscast, with 2 meterologists sharing the weather map. Weekday morning meterologist Pete Bouchard joined weekender Chikage Windler. Channel 7 expanded their 6PM news to an hour, pre-empting the NBC news at 6:30, and had chief meterologist Todd Gross joining Pete & Chikage at the weather map. Do you really need 3 meterologists on one newscast? New England Cable News had 3 meterologists on duty today, as weekender Matt Noyes was joined by weeknighter Tim Kelley & former WCVB meterologist Mark Rosenthal for their storm coverage. Mark Watson From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Dec 6 23:29:27 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Dec 6 23:29:31 2003 Subject: Digital cable Message-ID: <200312070429.XAA19409@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Slightly off-topic I know but I am curious to this ... Is it "illegal" to purchase a digital cable box instead of paying the $10 or so a month to rent the box? I ask because I'm home sparingly but the hassle of picking up/dropping off a box at the cable office and paying the $2 "change of service" fee to Comcast seem rather unappealing. Comments? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 6 23:57:32 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 6 23:57:37 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm References: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <001001c3bc7e$9fd82670$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> One of the dumbest things that radio ever did was let TV get ahead of them in storm coverage. Today's generation of kids turns on the TV to find out if there is school. When I was growing up, radio was the place to turn for information in the morning. I don't think that's the situation in most households today. My habit now is to turn on the TV when I get up. I do listen to the radio when I am in the shower and when I get into the car, but otherwise it is TV in the morning. Though it's usually TV coverage of a radio show (Imus) after I get local news and weather from WCSH. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Dec 7 10:04:35 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Dec 7 10:03:32 2003 Subject: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031206211831.022f3cc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207095631.00a4a850@pop3.bit-net.com> Donna Halper wrote: >So, it's about 9 pm and I wanted to get the latest weather report-- I >mean, it's snowing like crazy out there, and I wanted to know what the >situation is with this storm-- I had gone to the internet and looked at >the various maps and an older NECN report from a couple of hours ago, but >was curious as to what local radio was doing. Welcome to the world of those of us who don't live in metro Boston. I live in southern N.H. where we got considerably less snow than coastal Mass. did, yet even the online weather sites seem to lump us in with Boston. And since AP, NWS, etc. are what local stations (the few that have a live jock after 8pm or so) use, it's even harder for us to get an accurate forecast. While certainly a decent snowstorm, we didn't get a "blizzard" by any stretch. I think it comes back to a thread on this board when Princess Diana died...how does a station justify the cost of keeping a news dept. staffed 24/7/365 just to "be there" for these events that happen only a handful of times a year? From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Dec 7 11:45:25 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:02:59 2003 Subject: Digital cable In-Reply-To: <200312070429.XAA19409@webmail10.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031207113834.01ab9460@pop.gis.net> IIRC, the FCC mandated that consumers can own their equipment. You can't steal / receive services that are not paid for.....using black boxes / descramblers. Why would there be a differentiation between analog or digital cable ? At 11:29 PM 12/6/03 -0500, Sean Smyth wrote: >Slightly off-topic I know but I am curious to this ... > >Is it "illegal" to purchase a digital cable box instead of paying the $10 >or so >a month to rent the box? I ask because I'm home sparingly but the hassle of >picking up/dropping off a box at the cable office and paying the $2 "change of >service" fee to Comcast seem rather unappealing. > >Comments? From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 12:22:43 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:21:24 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton Message-ID: <002101c3bce6$ba98c560$64f88018@markscomputer> Last night, NBC's "Saturday Night Live" was hosted by the Rev. Al Sharpton, who is running for President. The 4 NBC affiliates in Iowa refused to air last night's show, fearing they would have to offer equal time to the other presidential candidates. WHDH-TV (Channel 7) did not show last night's live SNL either. Apparently NBC fed a "Best of Steve Martin" SNL show that Channel 7 carried. I'm guessing that NBC fed that alternate SNL show for the 4 Iowa affiliates, but did Channel 7 pass on the Rev. Al Sharpton SNL for the same equal time reasons? Mark Watson From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:22:32 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:23:00 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) Message-ID: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Presidential candidate the Rev. Al Sharpton hosted "Saturday Night Live" last night on NBC. According to AP, he portrayed Johnnie Cochrane and one of the Three Wise Men. It was said in advance of the show that the four NBC affiliates in Iowa did not air the show, since it was feared that equal time provisions would mean they'd have to offer time to the other eight Democratic candidates. Curiously, when I tuned into WHDH-TV Ch. 7 last night to grab a peek of the show, it was not on here either; instead, it was (probably a re-run of) a "Best of SNL with Steve Martin". I don't know if Ch. 7 decided to forego airing it due to the equal time deal. Maybe they made an error and joined the live show in progress eventually but as far as I know Ch. 7 decided to do a re-run instead. File under "Well, excuuuuuse me!" :) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Dec 7 12:23:49 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:24:13 2003 Subject: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207095631.00a4a850@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031206211831.022f3cc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031207122217.0231d1a8@pop.registeredsite.com> >Steve wrote-- >I think it comes back to a thread on this board when Princess Diana >died...how does a station justify the cost of keeping a news dept. staffed >24/7/365 just to "be there" for these events that happen only a handful of >times a year? Well, if they have positioned themselves as "news/talk", don't they have an obligation to have somebody on call, even via a remote hookup of some kind? Technology these days makes it easier to have somebody reporting from the comfort of their home... From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 12:31:29 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:29:52 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) References: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101c3bce7$f3309320$64f88018@markscomputer> Bob Nelson wrote (apparently at the same time I did): > Curiously, when I tuned into WHDH-TV Ch. 7 last night > to grab a peek of the show, it was not on here either; > instead, it was (probably a re-run of) a "Best of > SNL with Steve Martin". I don't know if Ch. 7 decided > to forego airing it due to the equal time deal. > Maybe they made an error and joined the live show > in progress eventually but as far as I know Ch. 7 > decided to do a re-run instead. I called it a night and turned the TV off about 12:30, and the Steve Martin SNL was still airing. They didn't join the live SNL in progress. I don't recall reading anything in the Boston papers the last few days about Channel 7 passing on last night's SNL. Did any other New England NBC affiliates pass on the live SNL in favor of the alternate Steve Martin feed? Mark Watson From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:35:53 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:35:56 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <003101c3bce7$f3309320$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <20031207173553.30986.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Watson wrote: Did any other > New England NBC > affiliates pass on the live SNL in favor of the > alternate Steve Martin feed? Posts on radio-info.com's NE TV board said that it was also not carried on WNNE/31 in Hartford, VT (serving the Upper Valley of NH & VT) and I think WCSH/6 in Portland, ME. Supposedly they made light of the pre-emptions by mentioning the areas where the show wasn't airing that week and poked not-so-good- fun at those cities. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Dec 7 12:25:23 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:43:12 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton In-Reply-To: <002101c3bce6$ba98c560$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031207121556.01abcf00@pop.gis.net> At 12:22 PM 12/7/03 -0500, Mark Watson wrote: > Last night, NBC's "Saturday Night Live" was hosted by the Rev. Al >Sharpton, who is running for President. The 4 NBC affiliates in Iowa >refused to air last night's show, fearing they would have to offer equal >time to the other presidential candidates. WHDH-TV (Channel 7) did not show >last night's live SNL either. Apparently NBC fed a "Best of Steve Martin" >SNL show that Channel 7 carried. I'm guessing that NBC fed that alternate >SNL show for the 4 Iowa affiliates, but did Channel 7 pass on the Rev. Al >Sharpton SNL for the same equal time reasons? > >Mark Watson While WHDH did not show the live SNL, channel 10 WJAR in Providence did. Weekend Update did list the cities with a derogatory comment assuming that no one from those areas would be watching. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:46:48 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:46:51 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <001001c3bc7e$9fd82670$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031207174648.90525.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > One of the dumbest things that radio ever did was > let TV get ahead of them > in storm coverage. Today's generation of kids turns > on the TV to find out > if there is school. When I was growing up, radio > was the place to turn for > information in the morning. One thing that puzzles me about WTKK is that they have absolutely no local newscasts after 6 pm. I listen to them for Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity (basically, 7 pm to 1 am) and their TOH 'casts are from CNN. They don't do what WRKO does (local newscasts evenings, and I think a local pre-taped one from 1-5 am) or live/local TOH like WBZ. If an important local story is breaking (like an impending storm), WTKK has no coverage of it. (Unless CNN happened to mention that a "major storm will hit the northeastern US...") I don't know if they just can't afford to put newscasters on at night; I know one election night WTKK had no coverage at all. Well, maybe they think people can tune to the AM dial to get their news and then hopefully tune back to 96.9 for talk. They don't even have weather forecasts-- i.e., they don't have something like Accu-weather drop ins near the TOH (the weather forecasts with a local tag at the end-- "that's your weather. I'm Bla Blabla for 96.9 FM Talk"). "If it's happening now, you're hearing it now," says one of their liners, but actually if major LOCAL news breaks at night, 'TKK listeners have to tune elsewhere. And who knows, maybe they won't come back to the talk at 96.9. But with radio economics the way they are these days, maybe this isn't too surprising. (I'm also puzzled that WTKK doesn't have more people on the "bench", ready to pinch hit for their local talk hosts. When Severin isn't in, they usually pick up Hannity live and then have him again tape delayed later...) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 12:50:18 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:50:22 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <20031207175018.79635.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Watson wrote: CBS had college > football (Army/Navy) on > when 6PM rolled around, so WBZ-TV aired a special 1 > hour newscast at 6 on > WSBK (Channel 38). While the telecommunications bill allowing duopolies in local TV may be considered bad, here's one example where it's good: Ch. 4 was able to run the football game, keeping its committment to CBS, and _still_ have storm coverage on via their sister station, Ch. 38. I know in the past there were instances when Ch. 38 came in handy; when Bishop O'Malley was named to head the local diocese, Ch. 4 carried the installation live and shuttled Bob Barker and The Price is Right to 38. From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 7 12:58:01 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 7 12:58:03 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <003101c3bce7$f3309320$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <000101c3bceb$a89417c0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I called it a night and turned the TV off about 12:30, and the Steve > Martin SNL was still airing. They didn't join the live SNL in > progress. I > don't recall reading anything in the Boston papers the last > few days about > Channel 7 passing on last night's SNL. Did any other New England NBC > affiliates pass on the live SNL in favor of the alternate > Steve Martin feed? > > Mark Watson WPTZ (Plat/Burl) // WNNE opted out of the live feed and went with the Steve Martin version. Crawl line stated that it was due to him being a "certified candidate" in the NH primary. Frankly, I'm glad. It was great to see those two wild and crazy guys, again. And Funky Tut rhythm is still stuck in my brain. (How _did_ he get so funky?) "Oh death, oh grief, oh sorrow and murder...." It's amazing that SNL has survived so many years after it was groundbreaking and good. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 7 13:07:52 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:07:54 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <20031207174648.90525.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c3bced$09565630$9f00a8c0@boneill> Bob Nelson: Well, maybe they think > people can tune to the AM dial to get their news > and then hopefully tune back to 96.9 for talk. Maybe they think? Think? We'll excuse you this time, Bob. If they do, indeed, ascribe to that view, it's similar to what Donna reflected upon yesterday with regard to radio relinquishing its foothold on snow day coverage to TV. Some things TV simply does better by virtue of the medium. Radio, replete with endless cell phones at the slide of a pot, can bring instant access to that wonderful hysteria that is snow interest across ALL demos. An "all hands on deck" approach to big, big storms can bring good will, blow away competition, introduce the station to new, errant, underserved listeners and perhaps, perhaps, yield carry-over after the plows are back in the garage. Oh, and if sales is invested in pre-selling storm coverage, it is less of a loss leader. There goes that excuse. Bill O'Neill From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Dec 7 13:16:31 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:17:06 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <20031207174648.90525.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001001c3bc7e$9fd82670$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207131548.00a4cc20@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >- >"If it's happening now, you're hearing it now," >says one of their liners, but actually if major >LOCAL news breaks at night, 'TKK listeners have to >tune elsewhere. I thought that was WBZ's slogan. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 7 13:52:32 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:52:39 2003 Subject: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207095631.00a4a850@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207095631.00a4a850@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 10:04 AM -0500 12/7/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: >Welcome to the world of those of us who don't live in metro Boston. >I live in southern N.H. where we got considerably less snow than >coastal Mass. did, yet even the online weather sites seem to lump us >in with Boston. And since AP, NWS, etc. are what local stations >(the few that have a live jock after 8pm or so) use, it's even >harder for us to get an accurate forecast. While certainly a decent >snowstorm, we didn't get a "blizzard" by any stretch. Accuweather.com gives you the zone forecast for your county. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 7 13:55:09 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 7 13:55:16 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >Curiously, when I tuned into WHDH-TV Ch. 7 last night >to grab a peek of the show, it was not on here either; >instead, it was (probably a re-run of) a "Best of >SNL with Steve Martin". I don't know if Ch. 7 decided >to forego airing it due to the equal time deal. >Maybe they made an error and joined the live show >in progress eventually but as far as I know Ch. 7 >decided to do a re-run instead. File under >"Well, excuuuuuse me!" :) The show you saw on Ch 7 last night was a special feed that was sent to us earlier in the day. Larry Weil WHDH-TV/HD Master Control -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 14:37:04 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 14:37:08 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207131548.00a4cc20@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031207193704.50823.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I thought that was WBZ's slogan. They were using something like it in a liner; I forget the exact wording but maybe it was "If it's happening now you can talk about it now"...though I get the feeling it may have been even closer to 'BZ's slogan than that. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 7 14:54:03 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Dec 7 14:54:06 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton References: <002101c3bce6$ba98c560$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <000801c3bcfb$dd896c90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> WCSH Portland also did not run SNL due to equal time concerns. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 7 14:55:22 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Dec 7 14:55:28 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton References: <4.3.1.2.20031207121556.01abcf00@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <001601c3bcfc$0cbc66c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Mark Watson" ; Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton >> While WHDH did not show the live SNL, channel 10 WJAR in Providence did. That makes sense. WHDH gets into NH. WJAR does not. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 7 16:28:39 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 7 16:28:46 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton In-Reply-To: <001601c3bcfc$0cbc66c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <4.3.1.2.20031207121556.01abcf00@pop.gis.net> <001601c3bcfc$0cbc66c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: At 2:55 PM -0500 12/7/03, Dan Billings wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Bello" > >>> While WHDH did not show the live SNL, channel 10 WJAR in Providence did. > >That makes sense. WHDH gets into NH. WJAR does not. Where I live in North Salem, NH, I can watch WJAR since I have a good antenna on a rotator. But, none of NH is in WJAR's A.D.I. (Area of Dominant Influence), which is what matters in this case. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wftn@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 17:57:36 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:57:54 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music Message-ID: <120720032257.26799.771f@comcast.net> Hi folks, After finally getting out and about this afternoon(was going stir crazy at home!), I went to eat at a local restaurant that was playing WHOM 94.9. They have gone to all Christmas music. Very interesting. Gary Ford WFTN-FM > At 2:55 PM -0500 12/7/03, Dan Billings wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron Bello" > > > >>> While WHDH did not show the live SNL, channel 10 WJAR in Providence did. > > > >That makes sense. WHDH gets into NH. WJAR does not. > > Where I live in North Salem, NH, I can watch WJAR since I have a good > antenna on a rotator. But, none of NH is in WJAR's A.D.I. (Area of > Dominant Influence), which is what matters in this case. > > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 7 18:04:26 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Dec 7 18:04:30 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music References: <120720032257.26799.771f@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> This trend has to be stopped! If this keeps up, every station in every market will start playing all Christmas music around Columbus Day. I am generally against regulation of programming content but all these stations playing all Christmas music is more obscene than anything Howard Stern has ever done. Where is the FCC when we need them? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From radiotony@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 19:18:32 2003 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Sun Dec 7 19:18:55 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) References: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007901c3bd20$d084c0b0$6400a8c0@tony> I was so mad! I didn't stay up, but taped it instead, and then went to watch it after spending all day shoveling and snowblowing and GASP! no Sharpton! Arrrgh!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) > > > >Curiously, when I tuned into WHDH-TV Ch. 7 last night > >to grab a peek of the show, it was not on here either; > >instead, it was (probably a re-run of) a "Best of > >SNL with Steve Martin". I don't know if Ch. 7 decided > >to forego airing it due to the equal time deal. > >Maybe they made an error and joined the live show > >in progress eventually but as far as I know Ch. 7 > >decided to do a re-run instead. File under > >"Well, excuuuuuse me!" :) > > The show you saw on Ch 7 last night was a special feed that was sent > to us earlier in the day. > > Larry Weil > WHDH-TV/HD Master Control > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 7 19:25:15 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun Dec 7 19:25:19 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) References: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> <007901c3bd20$d084c0b0$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <000e01c3bd21$c043dff0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> This is a good example of why we should get the feds out of the content regulation business all together! Other than limiting Christmas music, of course. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Dec 7 19:51:52 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun Dec 7 19:53:15 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <120720032257.26799.771f@comcast.net> <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2003, at 6:04 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > This trend has to be stopped! If this keeps up, every station in > every market will start playing all Christmas music around Columbus > Day. I can't believe there's not more of a backlash against this. A neighbor of mine mentioned he always listens to WODS but he and his wife have stopped listening since they switched to Christmas oldies. He wrote a letters to the station saying so. I told him it must work out for the stations or otherwise they wouldn't do it. But I still can't believe even if you count only the people who celebrate Christmas, that so many would want to listen to non-stop Christmas music for a month and a half starting before Thanksgiving. Especially tacky Christmas oldies. Paul From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 7 20:01:27 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:01:28 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <000e01c3bd21$c043dff0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000201c3bd26$cf941060$9f00a8c0@boneill> > This is a good example of why we should get the feds out of > the content > regulation business all together! > > Other than limiting Christmas music, of course. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine What next, all urban, all the time? Nah. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 7 20:06:18 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:06:19 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c3bd27$7d085c60$9f00a8c0@boneill> > I can't believe there's not more of a backlash against this. > Paul That's because ratings are jive, at best. Fewer listeners out there than the "numbers" would infer, and for those who do listen, they aren't invested listeners. Disenfranchised. To blow out a format like that (let's face it, that's what it is: a format change) would be akin to any other kind of local establishment sticking it to their tried and true clientele. Ah, the smell of arrogance. Bill O'Neill (in the continuing tone of cynicism amidst 26 inches of snow, finally finished and shoveled) From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Dec 7 20:15:04 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:14:09 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <120720032257.26799.771f@comcast.net> <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207201233.00a40b60@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Anderson wrote: >Especially tacky Christmas oldies. I dunno, I sort of like the tacky Christmas oldies, more so than the "traditional" Christmas tunes. And one other thing that's bugged me...what do songs like "Sleighride", "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty The Snowman" have to do with Christmas? From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun Dec 7 20:15:23 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:15:27 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207201233.00a40b60@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <120720032257.26799.771f@comcast.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20031207201233.00a40b60@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312080115.hB81FN4t030062@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > And one other thing that's bugged me...what do songs like > "Sleighride", "Winter Wonderland" and "Frosty The Snowman" have to > do with Christmas? Just ask an Australian.... -GAWollman From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 20:32:39 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:32:46 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031207201233.00a40b60@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031208013239.81314.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: what > do songs like "Sleighride", "Winter Wonderland" and > "Frosty The Snowman" > have to do with Christmas? They're all songs related to winter but most of us have associated them with Christmas for so long that many people think of them as Christmas songs rather than "winter songs". All of them are about joyous winter activities which, of course, do go on all winter long. But maybe we're so sick of hearing them by Dec. 25 that we give up on them! Kind of reminds me about how the post office for which I work (a sorting facility in N. Reading) has a "lawn" display up every year of a snowman putting his hat on and taking it off (mechanical). Last year it was up till about mid-March, perhaps because we had snow cover until that time. But then again maybe it was up there as a "winter" symbol, not a "Christmas" symbol. A snowman (and sleigh rides, and a "winter wonderland") isn't necessarily confined to just December but somehow the _songs_ you mentioned, have been... From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 20:36:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:36:58 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <007901c3bd20$d084c0b0$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <20031208013650.14967.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> --- tony schinella wrote: > I was so mad! I didn't stay up, but taped it > instead, and then went to watch > it after spending > all day shoveling and snowblowing and GASP! no > Sharpton! Arrrgh!! Fox News Channel showed some clips. You may not have missed all that much. One had Al as Johnnie Cochrane, riding in a Neverland roller coaster with Michael Jackson; another had him hawking sushi and still another had him in a sketch where Maya Rudolph played Michael Jackson's sister LaToya. Not a total laugh riot. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 20:47:53 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:48:01 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031208014753.88537.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > This trend has to be stopped! If this keeps up, > every station in every > market will start playing all Christmas music around > Columbus Day. They're figuring on a quick ratings spike among certain listeners, and figure the disgusted ones will come back (...or will they?) once all returns to normal on Dec. 26. But will the disenchanted listeners "discover" the competition--and stay there? For example, many WODS listeners have probably been driven to WROR (though 'ROR is more classic hits than oldies). In the future, I don't think stations would start all-Christmas any earlier than Veteran's Day (in itself, an outrage!--one station this year started on Nov 12); also, I wouldn't think _every_ station would change. In the interest of counterprogramming, many stations will NOT go all-Christmas and instead go on as usual... maybe picking up some of the disenchanted ones who tire quickly of Jingle Hell. Sure, as WROR is doing, these "anti-all-Christmas" stations are doing a few cuts an hour of Yule but the fact that they're still doing regular stuff could win over some listeners. If stations like WODS find their ratings bottoming out after Christmas...don't expect them to pull this again next year. They will know it isn't worth the risk. (That's for stations who go back to normal after Christmas; I don't know how many of the all-Yule stations will actually change format come the New Year). From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Dec 7 20:48:43 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun Dec 7 21:08:19 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <20031208014753.88537.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031207204041.01ac53b0@pop.gis.net> >--- Dan Billings wrote: > > This trend has to be stopped! If this keeps up, > > every station in every > > market will start playing all Christmas music around > > Columbus Day. > >They're figuring on a quick ratings spike among >certain listeners, and figure the disgusted ones >will come back (...or will they?) once all returns >to normal on Dec. 26. But will the disenchanted >listeners "discover" the competition--and stay there? >For example, many WODS listeners have probably been >driven to WROR (though 'ROR is more classic hits than >oldies). If my house is any example, Oldies 103 will regret their decision. Time once spent listening to WODS is now split between WROR and WWBB Providence which comes in as a local in the western and southern Boston burbs. The car radio preset that was 103.3 is now 101.5. We do not miss that station. In fact we kind of like the expanded list of music we get between our 2 choices. There is nothing to go back to. We have moved on. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Dec 7 21:14:10 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun Dec 7 21:09:11 2003 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <200312072114.AA1250623538@mail.ttlc.net> "kelly morse" asked: >hello...do you by any chance know what salty brine's real name is? i >saw you made a post about him and i need to know his real name to >answer a trivia question for school. thanks :) -kelly Anybody on the list care to tackle this? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Sun Dec 7 21:18:23 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Sun Dec 7 21:13:23 2003 Subject: Salty Brine's Real Name? Message-ID: <200312072118.AA1524170978@mail.ttlc.net> "kelly morse" asked: >>hello...do you by any chance know what salty brine's real name is? i >>saw you made a post about him and i need to know his real name to >>answer a trivia question for school. thanks :) -kelly Anybody on the list care to tackle this? From news@southstation.org Sun Dec 7 21:25:58 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Sun Dec 7 21:26:07 2003 Subject: Salty Brine's Real Name? In-Reply-To: <200312072118.AA1524170978@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: (By the way, that is his legal name, it's not a nickname... oh, of course, his parents had not christened him "Salty" but he had it changed legally many years ago.... and he is silver-haired, quite elderly, missing a leg, but very much alive and beloved by an entire state.) >From Jim's Journal at http://www.geocities.com/jimsjournal/jj01/091901.html I always thought it was Walter, but I'm not sure now... -Larry Lovering > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of rogerkirk > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:18 PM > To: BRI > Subject: Re: Salty Brine's Real Name? > > > "kelly morse" asked: > > >>hello...do you by any chance know what salty brine's real name is? i > >>saw you made a post about him and i need to know his real name to > >>answer a trivia question for school. thanks :) -kelly > > Anybody on the list care to tackle this? > > > From engineer@the-spa.com Sun Dec 7 22:11:13 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sun Dec 7 22:10:15 2003 Subject: Fw: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton Message-ID: <008001c3bd38$f1211040$374585ac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> While WHDH did not show the live SNL, channel 10 WJAR in Providence did. > > That makes sense. WHDH gets into NH. WJAR does not. > The reason why WCSH, WHDH, or WNNE did not air the episode was that Sharpton filed papers in New Hampshire. All three stations have New Hampshire in their A.D.I. (Their Television Market). WJAR and the other two New England NBCs not mentioned here, WWLP in Springfield, MA and WVIT in New Britain CT both aired the episode. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 7 22:16:54 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 7 22:15:13 2003 Subject: WHDH Didn't Air "Saturday Night Live" Hosted By Rev. Al Sharpton References: <008001c3bd38$f1211040$374585ac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <004d01c3bd39$bba45340$64f88018@markscomputer> Mike Fitzpatrick wrote: > The reason why WCSH, WHDH, or WNNE did not air the episode was that Sharpton > filed papers in New Hampshire. All three stations have New Hampshire in > their A.D.I. (Their Television Market). Bill O'Neill posted that WPTZ (Channel 5) Plattsburgh NY did not air the Al Sharpton SNL episode. I would think that WPTZ is too far away to have any part of NH in it's ADI. Or did they not air it because they couldn't send a split feed to co-owned WNNE? Mark Watson From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 7 23:40:31 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun Dec 7 23:42:46 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20031207204041.01ac53b0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <20031208044031.60303.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ron Bello wrote: > If my house is any example, Oldies 103 will regret > their decision. Other than Lost 45s once in awhile, I don't plan to listen. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 23:57:48 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 7 23:58:19 2003 Subject: Al Sharpton on SNL (but not here?) In-Reply-To: <20031207172232.59508.qmail@web21509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FD3BE7C.32559.293C373@localhost> On 7 Dec 2003 at 9:22, Bob Nelson wrote: > Curiously, when I tuned into WHDH-TV Ch. 7 last night > to grab a peek of the show, it was not on here either; > instead, it was (probably a re-run of) a "Best of > SNL with Steve Martin". I'd been planning to watch, but forgot. Now I don't feel so bad because I wouldn't have seen it anyway. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 23:57:49 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 7 23:58:27 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FD3BE7D.32432.293C56E@localhost> On 7 Dec 2003 at 19:51, Paul Anderson wrote: > I told him it must work out for the stations or otherwise they wouldn't do > it. But I still can't believe even if you count only the people who > celebrate Christmas, that so many would want to listen to non-stop > Christmas music for a month and a half starting before Thanksgiving. > Especially tacky Christmas oldies. Well, I kinda like the Singing Dogs' version of Jingle Bells. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 23:57:49 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 7 23:58:36 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FD3BE7D.22350.293C5C7@localhost> On 7 Dec 2003 at 18:04, Dan Billings wrote: > This trend has to be stopped! If this keeps up, every station in every > market will start playing all Christmas music around Columbus Day. > > I am generally against regulation of programming content but all these > stations playing all Christmas music is more obscene than anything Howard > Stern has ever done. Where is the FCC when we need them? I thought so! Everyone who is against regulation always has an exception somewhere. Most conservatives want to get the government off our backs, except in the bedroom. You want to stop Christmas music. Calm down. For one thing, the Christmas season does not start at Columbus Day. And while it may seem so, it doesn't really start earlier and earlier each year, either. It only seems so (a discussion we had a couple of years ago in this forum, as I recall). Back in the mid-1950s, I saw some Christmas decorations in a store just before Haloween and remarked about them. The store clerk said that the season was starting earlier every year. But if the Christmas season really had been starting earlier every year, since the mid-1950s, it would now be starting before the previous Christmas season had ended. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 7 23:57:49 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 7 23:58:40 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <20031207175018.79635.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <3FD3BE7D.3644.293C4A0@localhost> On 7 Dec 2003 at 9:50, Bob Nelson wrote: > While the telecommunications bill allowing duopolies > in local TV may be considered bad, here's one example > where it's good: Ch. 4 was able to run the football > game, keeping its committment to CBS, and _still_ > have storm coverage on via their sister station, > Ch. 38. > > I know in the past there were instances when Ch. 38 > came in handy; when Bishop O'Malley was named > to head the local diocese, Ch. 4 carried the > installation live and shuttled Bob Barker and The > Price is Right to 38. This has happed on occasion with Channel 2 and 44. It also used to happen now and then back in the old days when an AM and FM station were co-owned, and occasionally a station would carry different sports or news events on the different stations, or an event on one and regular programs on the other, even when they normally would simulcast. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 01:42:25 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon Dec 8 01:42:30 2003 Subject: Radio-info/Boston Lit Up By WBZ Digital Signal Message-ID: <6701996.1070865745528.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> > From: Laurence Glavin > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Radio-info/Boston Lit Up By WBZ Digital Signal > > (BTW, one poster claimed that WJIB-AM runs AM stereo > during butterfly-breath power; I believe Bob said this > is not so.) I was the "poster" who claimed that. When someone asked which Boston area AM stations are currently in stereo, I offered this reply: > 740 WJIB (stereo full-time, on both full day power and low > night power). > > 1090 WILD (daytime only, the "critical" half-hour from local > sunset until signoff is mono). > > 1360 WLYN (daytime only, low-power night signal is mono). WJIB began broadcasting in stereo on the nighttime power about a year ago or so. I was surprised to hear it, since the nighttime power had been mono for a number of years. Since I was in Cambridge where the signal is strong, I wondered at first if the station hadn't powered down from the day signal, but it actually was the low-power night signal, now in stereo. Bring an AM stereo receiver to the Cambridge/Boston metro area and nearby suburbs some night and hear for yourself. Eli Polonsky From nostaticatall@comcast.net Mon Dec 8 01:53:52 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Mon Dec 8 01:51:38 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm References: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer> <001001c3bc7e$9fd82670$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FD42000.80209@comcast.net> Radio didn't "let" TV get ahead of them. TV found a way of getting cancellation information to the audience quicker and more efficiantly than radio. Think about it. Most radio stations that do cancellations run down the entire list two or three times an hour. Let's say you lived in Beverly, you tuned to WBZ, and they were up to the "D's" on the list, you'd be S.O.L for another 20-30 minutes when the list was read again. If you turn on the TV and check out the scroll, it repeats every five minutes or so. Outside of reading the cancellation list over and over continuously for three hours during morning drive--which would be awful radio--how can radio get the info out there faster than TV? TV is able to do the job better, plain and simple. --Mike Thomas Dan Billings wrote: >One of the dumbest things that radio ever did was let TV get ahead of them >in storm coverage. Today's generation of kids turns on the TV to find out >if there is school. When I was growing up, radio was the place to turn for >information in the morning. I don't think that's the situation in most >households today. My habit now is to turn on the TV when I get up. I do >listen to the radio when I am in the shower and when I get into the car, but >otherwise it is TV in the morning. Though it's usually TV coverage of a >radio show (Imus) after I get local news and weather from WCSH. > >-- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine > > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 8 09:32:37 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:33:13 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm References: <002e01c3bc77$42ce91f0$64f88018@markscomputer><001001c3bc7e$9fd82670$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <3FD42000.80209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004f01c3bd98$2163e7a0$6400a8c0@brianhome> I was watching Fox News (the news channel, not the local affiliate) do a piece about the storm this AM and the reporter drone was standing in a parking lot "amazed" at a 5 foot snow drift and yet again "stunned" at another 4' drift. As the camera pulled back, I realized that the parking lot he was standing in is at the deli around the block from my office. Wow. Peabody made national news. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 8 09:38:01 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon Dec 8 09:38:54 2003 Subject: Cancellations Message-ID: <006001c3bd98$fdf86920$6400a8c0@brianhome> As a parent of a teen, I have more than a passing interest on local school cancellations. As I was leaving church yesterday, I was told by someone that Salem, MA had cancelled school for Monday. When I got to my office later in the day, I checked the WBZ, WHDH, WCVB and WRKO websites as well as cancellations.com. I also listened to WBZ. I didn't hear any word of cancellations. I checked periodically during the day and still nothing. Finally, around 7PM last night WCVB had the cancellation on their site but still nothing on the others. It wasn't until the early hours of this morning that the other stations carried the listing. Cancellations.com, which claims to list Salem, still has them as open. Could it be that with tight budgets, no one at the news rooms of any of the above has the responsibility to update the cancellations as they come in? It appeared on a couple of sites that they didn't have any weekend cancellations. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From lorraine6474@usadatanet.net Mon Dec 8 10:14:23 2003 From: lorraine6474@usadatanet.net (Lorraine Smith) Date: Mon Dec 8 10:15:37 2003 Subject: All Christmas Music References: <000a01c3bd16$765ef290$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <4.3.1.2.20031207204041.01ac53b0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <000201c3bd9e$1ddcd500$4205da42@Lorraine> From: "Ron Bello" If my house is any example, Oldies 103 will regret their decision. > > Time once spent listening to WODS is now split between WROR and > WWBB Providence which comes in as a local in the western and > southern Boston burbs. The car radio preset that was 103.3 is now 101.5. > We do not miss that station. In fact we kind of like the expanded list of > music we get between our 2 choices. > > There is nothing to go back to. We have moved on. I too have moved over to 101.5 for my oldies fix. For holiday music, my car and home radios are glued to 93.7. They have a diverse mix for all ages. I have even caught my favorite "Please come home for Christmas" by several different artists! Lorraine From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 8 13:18:59 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 8 13:19:06 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <3FD3BE7D.3644.293C4A0@localhost> Message-ID: <20031208181859.60816.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > This has happed on occasion with Channel 2 and 44. > It also used to happen now and then > back in the old days when an AM and FM station were > co-owned And it happened again last night--the duopoly came in handy as WSBK/38 went to "Patriots 5th Quarter" (as they so often have) right after the game ended on WBZ/4... allowing 4 to go to the CBS lineup with "60 Minutes" et al. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Mon Dec 8 13:45:10 2003 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Mon Dec 8 13:45:18 2003 Subject: Salty Brine's Real Name? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FD4C6B6.7000002@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> IIRC, Walter "Wally" Brine was named for his dad, but may not be (have been) a "jr". IIRC Wally's elder son _was_ christened Salty. I seem to remember getting this info from the obit when Salty's Wife passed away. Tony Larry Lovering wrote: >(By the way, that is his legal name, it's not a nickname... oh, of course, >his parents had not christened him "Salty" but he had it changed legally >many years ago.... and he is silver-haired, quite elderly, missing a leg, >but very much alive and beloved by an entire state.) > >>From Jim's Journal at http://www.geocities.com/jimsjournal/jj01/091901.html > >I always thought it was Walter, but I'm not sure now... > >-Larry Lovering > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >>[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf >>Of rogerkirk >>Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:18 PM >>To: BRI >>Subject: Re: Salty Brine's Real Name? >> >> >>"kelly morse" asked: >> >> >> >>>>hello...do you by any chance know what salty brine's real name is? i >>>>saw you made a post about him and i need to know his real name to >>>>answer a trivia question for school. thanks :) -kelly >>>> >>>> >>Anybody on the list care to tackle this? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From lglavin@lycos.com Mon Dec 8 17:58:16 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon Dec 8 17:58:31 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:57:11 >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "'Donna Halper'" ,radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org> >Here in the Green Mtn. State, snow is just a way of >life. Nonetheless, it was >WDEV (550 Waterbury//96.1 Warren) that win hands->down. Roger Hill wx, live with >jock 1-2 x per hour, cancellations amidst >music. "Music to get snow-dumped >by...." Forget any CC station legitimacy on a day >such as this. Hall's WOKO >(98.9 Burl.) didn't fare as well as I would have >expected, even for a weekend. >CC's WXZO recently brought aboard a "real" weather >guy with WSI's Rob Carolyn >tracking reports. Not sure if WSI had anyone feeding >today. When Howard Dean was on "Hahdball With Chris Matthews" exactly one week ago, he brought up the issue of media consolidation and his intention to stem and possibly reverse it. He stated that there were only 2 or 3 radio stations in all of Vermont that provide reliable local service. >From your post, it appears he could have more ammunition for that position. >Here in western Addison County, we're at about 15" >and still counting. >Bill O'Neill >Shoreham, Vermont What's it like living in a county named after a disease? Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 8 19:23:00 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:23:02 2003 Subject: got weather? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c3bdea$9acfc350$41521341@boneill> > What's it like living in a county named after a disease? > > Laurence Glavin Kennedyesque. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 8 19:34:38 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:29:37 2003 Subject: Christmas Carol Terrorism? Message-ID: <200312081934.AA2035351872@mail.ttlc.net> Wonder how Christmas 103.3/Star93.7 would fare in Austria? Latest issue of Bizarre News notes: "Christmas carols are a form of terrorism? Well, according to an Austrian union that represents store workers, the answer is yes. The union believes the constant playing of Christmas tunes is a type of "psycho-terrorism" that can cause workers to suffer psychologically. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 8 19:47:18 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 8 19:42:23 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm Message-ID: <200312081947.AA1465647352@mail.ttlc.net> "Brian Vita" exclaimed: >Wow. Peabody made national news. Kerry Giusserio (sp?) of AccuWeather (WBZ) pronounced your the city as "PEE-body" From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 8 20:57:58 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 8 20:56:54 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >When Howard Dean was on "Hahdball With Chris Matthews" exactly >one week ago, he brought up the issue of media consolidation >and his intention to stem and possibly reverse it. >He stated that there were only 2 or 3 radio stations in >all of Vermont that provide reliable local service. While I tend to agree with very little that Mr. Dean says, I do think that Vermont is a rather poor example for media consolidation=lack of reliable local service (whatever that means). Aside from Burlington (which is pretty small as cities go), Vermont has essentially no large concentration of people...I read somewhere that it's considered the most rural state in the lower 48 (not exactly sure of the criteria here, or where it stands w/r/t, say Wyoming). Add to that a rather weak economy and there are very few areas that could support a radio station if it weren't for largely unattended operation. Remember, voicetracking and unattended operation were well-established in small markets long before the telecom act. WDEV seems to be the WBZ of Vermont...they've been doing what they're doing for so long that people automatically turn to them at times like this...they're also one of the few AMs in the state with an even halfway decent signal (and a simulcast FM that fills in a lot of the holes). I really doubt that a new sign-on could get away with half the corny programming they air (music to go the dump by, the Saturday morning bird report, etc.). From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 8 22:25:19 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 8 22:25:21 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000e01c3be04$13356980$9f00a8c0@boneill> Steve writes: I > really doubt that a new sign-on could get away with half the corny > programming they air (music to go the dump by, the Saturday > morning bird > report, etc.). WVMT (620 Burlington) has pretty good coverage west of the Greens. Aside from AM drive (Charlie & Ernie) it's bird droppings. As for WDEV's folksy charmy stuff, most of that is driven by longtime owner, Ken Squires. If he were to hang up the cans, I doubt the same home-ground "sound" would continue much longer, despite what seems to be a lot of tenure on the air staff. Good assessment of the state population. Three years here hardly makes me an expert, but many in the demo would hardly consider the above services "corny." The shows, and other features, are taken on what seems to be two levels: tongue in cheek, and for the actual info they provide. Brings me back to the Glick overnights on BZ in some respects. Hoaky but still relevant. Most Vermonters are woefully disenfranchised from the growing sanitized offerings. XM and Sirius are common among those who want music and have a "make your own" mindset endemic to rural living in America. Bill O'Neill From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 8 23:57:53 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 8 23:58:13 2003 Subject: Cancellations In-Reply-To: <006001c3bd98$fdf86920$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <3FD51001.1249.5C56DD@localhost> On 8 Dec 2003 at 9:38, Brian Vita wrote: > Could it be that with tight budgets, no one at the news rooms of any of > the above has the responsibility to update the cancellations as they come > in? It appeared on a couple of sites that they didn't have any weekend > cancellations. Or perhaps the responsible persons at the Salem school system didn't get the info in everywhere. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 8 23:57:53 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 8 23:58:18 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <200312081947.AA1465647352@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <3FD51001.21762.5C57A0@localhost> On 8 Dec 2003 at 19:47, rogerkirk wrote: > Kerry Giusserio (sp?) of AccuWeather (WBZ) pronounced your > the city as "PEE-body" I believe that was one of the towns in Massachusetts allegedly named after former governor Endicott Peabody. The others are Marblehead, and Athol. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 8 23:57:53 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 8 23:58:23 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm In-Reply-To: <3FD42000.80209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3FD51001.4412.5C55CC@localhost> On 8 Dec 2003 at 1:53, Nostaticatall wrote: > Outside of reading the cancellation list over and over > continuously for three hours during morning drive--which would be awful > radio--how can radio get the info out there faster than TV? TV is able to > do the job better, plain and simple. And Websites can get the info out even faster. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 9 00:34:29 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 9 00:34:33 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312090534.hB95YTiw039931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > of people...I read somewhere that it's considered the most rural state in > the lower 48 (not exactly sure of the criteria here, or where it stands > w/r/t, say Wyoming). Vermont is the most rural state, period. However, this does not mean what you think it means.[1] > WDEV seems to be the WBZ of Vermont...they've been doing what they're doing > for so long that people automatically turn to them at times like > this WVMT used to play that role in the Burlington market, back in their days as a full-service AC. -GAWollman [1] The Census Bureau defines ``rurality'' as ``fraction of population living in communities with density less than X persons per square km''. In order to qualify as the most rural state, it is necessary to have a substantial population spread evenly over the land area. Most states that we think of as ``rural'' are (a) more populous than Vermont and (b) have most of their population in a large city. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 9 08:08:11 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:07:10 2003 Subject: Cancellations In-Reply-To: <3FD51001.1249.5C56DD@localhost> References: <006001c3bd98$fdf86920$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031209080616.00ab26f0@pop3.bit-net.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Or perhaps the responsible persons at the Salem school system didn't get >the info in >everywhere. That's the most likely scenario. Too bad someone can't set up a "snow closing central" so that all these schools, businesses, etc. have ony -one- call to make instead of dozens. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 9 08:21:44 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:21:49 2003 Subject: Cancellations References: <3FD51001.1249.5C56DD@localhost> Message-ID: <001101c3be57$64565ec0$6400a8c0@brianhome> > > Could it be that with tight budgets, no one at the news rooms of any of > > the above has the responsibility to update the cancellations as they come > > in? It appeared on a couple of sites that they didn't have any weekend > > cancellations. > > Or perhaps the responsible persons at the Salem school system didn't get the info in > everywhere. > As I commented later in the post, most of the cancellation lists on Sunday had not been updated for anyone since Friday or Saturday at the latest. This was not limited to Salem. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 9 08:23:11 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:23:17 2003 Subject: TV Coverage Of The Storm References: <3FD51001.21762.5C57A0@localhost> Message-ID: <001901c3be57$984f4570$6400a8c0@brianhome> > > Kerry Giusserio (sp?) of AccuWeather (WBZ) pronounced your > > the city as "PEE-body" > > I believe that was one of the towns in Massachusetts allegedly named after former governor > Endicott Peabody. The others are Marblehead, and Athol. > Which one? We've had a lot of Athols in public office. Oops. I'm lisping again. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 9 08:53:07 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:53:13 2003 Subject: Fw: Fw: Christmas Carol Terrorism? Message-ID: <006801c3be5b$c702b290$6400a8c0@brianhome> A response from outside our group - see below > > > "Christmas carols are a form of terrorism? Well, according to > > > an Austrian union that represents store workers, the answer > > > is yes. The union believes the constant playing of Christmas > > > tunes is a type of "psycho-terrorism" that can cause workers > > > to suffer psychologically. > > > > This is absolutely true! The 24-hour Howard Johnson's restaurant where I > used to hang out often in college subscribed to some service where a man > came every so often to change out tape carts in the closed-circuit music > system. Apparently the bill stopped getting paid, and the man stopped > coming. Unfortunately, the last tape carts that had been installed were > the Christmas music, so it stayed in for months and months. Since the > music system was in a locked cabinet, there was not a lot that could be > done to fix it. Around August, a few of the waitresses couldn't take it > anymore, and they talked one of the regular patrons (who shall remain > nameless) into cutting open the cabinet with a torch. > > -- Mike > > From sven@gordsven.com Tue Dec 9 09:59:23 2003 From: sven@gordsven.com (Sven Franklyn Weil) Date: Tue Dec 9 09:59:29 2003 Subject: Fw: Fw: Christmas Carol Terrorism? In-Reply-To: <006801c3be5b$c702b290$6400a8c0@brianhome> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Brian Vita wrote: > > system. Apparently the bill stopped getting paid, and the man stopped > > coming. Unfortunately, the last tape carts that had been installed were I'm amazed that the vendor never stopped by to pick up the sound system....those PA setups are expensive. -- Sven From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 9 10:07:31 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 9 10:07:28 2003 Subject: Fw: Fw: Christmas Carol Terrorism? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c3be66$2c18f2c0$c3ec33d1@alvin> > installed were > > I'm amazed that the vendor never stopped by to pick up the > sound system....those PA setups are expensive. > > -- Actually they weren't. A lifetime ago I sold as system from Environmental Music Systems (EMS Music). It was a broadcast "D" cart (one hour)with 4 tracks. You ended up with 4 x 1 hr mono tracks. The machines weren't terribly expensive. Typically we sold the machine and the supporting electronics and "leased" the music. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 14:43:05 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 9 14:43:12 2003 Subject: "Holly, Jolly, Maddening Music" Message-ID: <20031209194305.88256.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Fox News article about how not everyone is into the idea of Christmas music 24/7 on radio (among other places): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1037058/posts?page=4 "Right after Thanksgiving every station started playing Christmas music all the time," said 18-year-old Amanda Jones of Larksville, Pa. "I really like Christmas music, but by like the third day after Thanksgiving I was like 'Somebody please shut it off.'" From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 10 00:10:15 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Dec 10 00:10:47 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? In-Reply-To: <200312090534.hB95YTiw039931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FD66467.18670.3F3703@localhost> On 9 Dec 2003 at 0:34, Garrett Wollman wrote: > [1] The Census Bureau defines ``rurality'' as ``fraction of population > living in communities with density less than X persons per square km''. > In order to qualify as the most rural state, it is necessary to have a > substantial population spread evenly over the land area. Most states that > we think of as ``rural'' are (a) more populous than Vermont and (b) have > most of their population in a large city. I don't know, I would have thought Montana would be more rural than Vermont, but this definition sounds like it doesn't count large areas of no population at all. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed Dec 10 00:16:46 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed Dec 10 00:16:51 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: got weather? In-Reply-To: <3FD66467.18670.3F3703@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031208204725.00ab33e0@pop3.bit-net.com> <200312090534.hB95YTiw039931@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3FD66467.18670.3F3703@localhost> Message-ID: <200312100516.hBA5GkkE047993@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I don't know, I would have thought Montana would be more rural than > Vermont, but this definition sounds like it doesn't count large > areas of no population at all. Absolutely. Unoccupied places (whether in Maine or Montana) don't count. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Dec 10 00:43:21 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Dec 10 00:43:41 2003 Subject: Bob Lobel chat Message-ID: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org> My Red Sox board hosted a Q and A with Bob Lobel The demise of his BZ radio show came up http://royalrooters.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=d08c805fc7b118b5cb8aee556ba09d85&showtopic=21 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 01:11:05 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed Dec 10 01:17:19 2003 Subject: Bob Lobel chat References: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <0b7701c3bee4$8cbfb220$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > The demise of his BZ radio show came up << I'm glad you asked about the Upton Bell show. Butch from the Cape did not screw that up. I should never have left the show, I'm sorry I did. I was wrong in doing it. And my decision was driven by ego and stupidity. It was probably the biggest professional mistake that I've made in my 25 years with the company... so far. >> Wow! Quite an admission. Most would have had to swallow hard before saying something like that about themselves. JP From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 03:34:15 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 10 03:54:03 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme Message-ID: <20031210083415.15829.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> With the news that Casey Kasem is leaving "American Top 40" in a few weeks (he's 71; new host Ryan Seacrest is 29), I was thinking about the original "AT40" theme (from the 70s). It sounded like it was played on a moog synthesizer (notes were something like: G, E, E-F-G....C, A, F, B, G, C... C, D, E-D-C-D-C, E,D,C,D,C E,D,C,D,C, F-E-D-C-B-A, etc. In later years, Casey would speak over that original theme ("You've just heard the top hits in the nation on American Top 40. Our countdown is based on the Billboard music chart for the week ending XXxx XX, 19xx." and he'd give credits, etc.) then it was go into a faster, disco-ish version of the theme. At one point, some singers shout out, "Shine-a-tu!" Anyone remember these? Are they on the Net? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 04:17:58 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 10 04:18:06 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air Message-ID: <20031210091758.76177.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-etcras1210,0,600345.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines A caller to WABC in New York was talking to the morning team of Curtis (Sliwa) and (Ron) Kuby when a horrifying sound was heard; her car was sideswiped and rolled over. She's not severly injured but listeners heard her first ask, "Curtis, call the police (for me)" then nearby motorists are heard helping her out. The call was replied on yesterday's Sean Hannity Show which is nationally syndicated but originates from WABC (though Hannity did his show from KSFO the past couple days) From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 10 08:42:42 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:41:39 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <20031210083415.15829.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210083558.00a46010@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >With the news that Casey Kasem is leaving "American >Top 40" in a few weeks (he's 71; new host Ryan >Seacrest is 29), I was thinking about the original >"AT40" theme (from the 70s). It sounded like it was >played on a moog synthesizer (notes were something >like: Ryan who??? Never heard of him. Remember what happened to the show when Casey left to start his own "Casey's Top 40"....as I recall replacement host Shadoe Stevens (who worked at WRKO briefly in the late 60s) bombed badly. I wonder how many stations carry the show primarily because Casey is so well known, and will find something else with an unknown doing it. >. At one >point, some singers shout out, "Shine-a-tu!" Anyone >remember these? Are they on the Net? Somewhere I have a dub of the original AT-40 theme. I got it off a cart at a station I worked at back in the mid-70s....I think they sent a copy of the theme to affiliates to use as fill if need be. IIRC when they went to the newer theme they were more guarded about it. I don't recall hearing "shine-a tu" in it. From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 10 08:45:41 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:44:37 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air In-Reply-To: <20031210091758.76177.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210084346.00a42820@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >A caller to WABC in New York was talking to the >morning team of Curtis (Sliwa) and (Ron) Kuby when a >horrifying sound was heard; her car was sideswiped and >rolled over. Doesn't N.Y. have a fairly strict no-cellphones-in-moving-vehicles law? I guess she doesn't have much of a defense... "but officer, it was an emergency call!". >She's not severly injured but listeners >heard her first ask, "Curtis, call the police (for >me)" then nearby motorists are heard helping her out. >The call was replied on yesterday's Sean Hannity Show >which is nationally syndicated but originates from >WABC (though Hannity did his show from KSFO the past >couple days) From news@southstation.org Wed Dec 10 08:54:28 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Wed Dec 10 08:54:41 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210084346.00a42820@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: According to the article, she was stopped on the side of the road when she was hit. -Larry Lovering > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of SteveOrdinetz > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:46 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air > > > Bob Nelson wrote: > > >A caller to WABC in New York was talking to the > >morning team of Curtis (Sliwa) and (Ron) Kuby when a > >horrifying sound was heard; her car was sideswiped and > >rolled over. > > Doesn't N.Y. have a fairly strict > no-cellphones-in-moving-vehicles law? I > guess she doesn't have much of a defense... "but officer, it was an > emergency call!". > > > > > > > >She's not severly injured but listeners > >heard her first ask, "Curtis, call the police (for > >me)" then nearby motorists are heard helping her out. > >The call was replied on yesterday's Sean Hannity Show > >which is nationally syndicated but originates from > >WABC (though Hannity did his show from KSFO the past > >couple days) > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Dec 10 09:01:09 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:01:20 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210084346.00a42820@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <004a01c3bf26$107659c0$6400a8c0@brianhome> > >A caller to WABC in New York was talking to the > >morning team of Curtis (Sliwa) and (Ron) Kuby when a > >horrifying sound was heard; her car was sideswiped and > >rolled over. > > Doesn't N.Y. have a fairly strict no-cellphones-in-moving-vehicles law? I > guess she doesn't have much of a defense... "but officer, it was an > emergency call!". > The New York law prevents the driver of the vehicle from using a hand held phone. It allows a speaker phone or headset. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Dec 10 09:10:57 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed Dec 10 09:11:01 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air Message-ID: <006b01c3bf27$6f04a130$6400a8c0@brianhome> You can hear part of the call on the WABC website at the following link: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/video/wabc_120903_radiocrash_video.html From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 10 12:48:35 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:48:47 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210083558.00a46010@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210083558.00a46010@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 8:42 AM -0500 12/10/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >Ryan who??? Never heard of him. Reporter and occasional co-host of "Extra". Also hosted "American Idol". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 10 12:50:52 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:50:59 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210084346.00a42820@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210084346.00a42820@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: >>At 8:45 AM -0500 12/10/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >Doesn't N.Y. have a fairly strict no-cellphones-in-moving-vehicles >law? I guess she doesn't have much of a defense... "but officer, it >was an emergency call!". > The law requires a hands-free device be used if a cellphone is used in a moving vehicle, it does not prohibit their use entirely. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 13:08:37 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:19:39 2003 Subject: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031210180837.90440.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > The law requires a hands-free device be used if a > cellphone is used > in a moving vehicle, it does not prohibit their use > entirely. And I believe the article mentioned she had pulled over to make the call to WABC. If callers were _totally_ prohibited from making cell phone calls to talk radio stations while in their vehicle, you would have a lot fewer calls on-air (unless they'd choose to break the law in so doing...) As Jay Severin puts it, "Marie is calling us from the quaint village of 'Car'..." :) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 13:18:56 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:34:13 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031210083558.00a46010@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031210181856.46891.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: I wonder how many stations carry the show > primarily because Casey > is so well known, and will find something else with > an unknown doing it. Perhaps Casey, or his producers/syndicators, figured it was time to pass the baton to someone else. When the show started, Kasem was about 38 years old; he's now 71. Age didn't stop Dick Clark, "The World's Oldest Teenager", from relating to teens on "American Bandstand" and you'd think Casey has also done fairly well relating to youth after all these years, but perhaps there does come a day when Grandpa Dick and Grandpa Casey "hang it up". (I think Don Cornelius of "Soul Train" also retired at some point; a spoof of the show on "In Living Color", titled "Old Train" showed a doddering old Cornelius hosting the show, with similarly old R&B fans who looked like they came from a rest home--one had a walker, etc. :) ) I'll bet today's youth may know Casey better as the voice of Shaggy on "Scooby Doo". (A scene in "Looney Tunes: Back in Action" has the animated Shaggy, voiced by Kasem, chastizing the live human actor, Matthew Lilliard, who played him in the recent live-action movie version of that show...) I > don't recall hearing > "shine-a tu" in it. It starts off with an 11-note version of the familiar theme, played on horns rather than the synth, and then leads to a disco-ish tune (with the "shine-a-tu" coming during a break near the end);then ends with the horns doing that 11-note excerpt again to end the song. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 13:51:13 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 10 13:58:11 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <20031210083415.15829.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031210185113.28637.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Nelson wrote: I was thinking about the original > "AT40" theme (from the 70s I've been told that http://www.reelradio.com has some American Top 40 shows (w/ theme) on their files. I tried one from '73 but it said the link may be outdated; hopefully can get to hear one of them somehow. From nuhuc@juno.com Wed Dec 10 15:04:15 2003 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:06:49 2003 Subject: AT40 Theme Message-ID: <20031210.120449.28395.1289445@webmail05.lax.untd.com> -- SteveOrdinetz wrote: >>Remember what happened to the show when Casey left to start his own "Casey's Top 40"...<< Seems to me that when Shodoe Stevens hosted the show when Casey left Watermark, that the AT40 theme stayed with Watermark. Just to ad confusion. Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From wftn@comcast.net Wed Dec 10 15:55:17 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Wed Dec 10 15:55:27 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme Message-ID: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> Actually the theme says "shuck-a-toom" and that's what the instrumental is called as well. They eliminated the vocal from the end of the program sometime in the late 70's. Casey will be missed tremendously. Ryan, the new host has already subbed a few times in the last year. I was hoping it would be Ed McMann from Kiss 108 taking over as he has guest-hosted quite a bit. Gary Ford WFTN-FM > It starts off with an 11-note version of the familiar > theme, played on horns rather than the synth, and then > leads to a disco-ish tune (with the "shine-a-tu" > coming during a break near the end);then ends > with the horns doing that 11-note excerpt again > to end the song. > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Dec 10 16:36:57 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:37:04 2003 Subject: FW: Fw: Fw: Fw: Christmas Carol Terrorism? Message-ID: <000201c3bf65$bd7c06d0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Reply to Atty Ross' inquiry as to why the system could not be simply unplugged. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bilow [mailto:mike@bilow.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:16 PM To: Brian Vita Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Christmas Carol Terrorism? No, there was no way to turn it off. The music system was inside a locked cabinet that was bolted to the wall. Think of one of those anti-tamper covers that you see on thermostats, but bigger, and you get the idea. The metal was serious steel, like a school locker. The unit was plugged into a standard wall outlet, but the cabinet was installed in such a way as to cover the outlet as well. (It is my understanding that the fire code here actually encouraged such things.) Cutting the power at the circuit breakers was probably possible, but that would have taken down other things in the kitchen that it was clearly understood were never to be messed with, especially the time clock. The speaker wires ran inside the wall as well, and they probably could have been accessed without opening the cabinet from some other place such as in the ceiling, but disabling the system that way would have been very time consuming and would have required doing things in view of customers such as getting up on a ladder in the dining area. It is worth keeping in mind that this was a standard-issue Howard Johnson restaurant. The people working third shift in food service are often very nice people, but they are usually not moonlighting master electricians. In other words, this was what would be considered a low-tech operation, although I am not sure that term had been invented then. For example, the cash register had a time printer in it and could increment the date when passing midnight, but the month had to be changed manually. It was quite common to see the register printing out things like "May 35" or "June 38" because no one knew how to change the month and reset the day wheels. So the first few months of post-Christmas caroling went by with little notice, and it was probably March before the continued caroling ceased to be an amusing curiosity and began to seem more annoying than in past years. It was then probably April or May before it was generally realized that this was not just some bureaucratic mix-up, and that it was possible no one was going to come to change the tape -- ever. By June and July, it seemed strange enough that customers were commenting on it. I think it was the customer comments that made the situation truly intolerable, as it is possible to just get used to a thing like this unless people repeatedly call it to your attention, and at that point it began to drive the staff mad. It also did not help that every one of the dozen customers on each shift who said it thought that it was clever and original to joke about "Christmas in July." There were a few exploratory missions sticking things into the air vents of the locked cabinet, but none of them really succeeded and it took a few weeks until the staff finally resorted to recruiting someone with an oxy-acetylene cutting torch. While the torch was a relatively invasive procedure -- it destroyed the lock -- it also solved the problem in mere seconds. -- Mike From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 10 17:26:26 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 10 17:26:29 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55808.216.204.15.170.1071095186.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Gary Ford wrote... > > Casey will be missed tremendously. Ryan, the new host has already > subbed a few times in the last year. I was hoping it would be Ed McMann > from Kiss 108 taking over as he has guest-hosted quite a bit. I'm frankly surprised Casey hadn't stepped down sooner. CHR is very different today than it was in 1970 when the show debuted, yet he's still doing the exact same schtik. While there is no disputing his contribution to the art, it's time for a hipper-sounding AT40 with someone who can at least remember when he was in the format's demo. Leno took over from Johnny and made the Tonight Show his...hopefully this new host can do the same with AT40. I wonder how many stations AT40 would even still be on had CC not more or less decreed that all their CHRs carry it. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Dec 10 18:36:45 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:37:44 2003 Subject: WBIX night operation Message-ID: <000a01c3bf76$9120d500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I heard Mark Mills mention on his PM-drive show today (after WBIX had switched to the first, and least restrictive, step of its post-sunset regimen) that testing of the night signal is complete and, though he didn't say so in so many words, application has been made to the FCC for program-test authority. He said that it was anyone's guess when the FCC would act on the application and what the disposition would be. I was aware of the testing going on on only one day--the Wednesday immediately before Thanksgiving. The testing probably went on over several days, however, and I just didn't realize it. If the engineers really did align that array in one day, either the technology has drastically improved in the last decade--and I don't understand what might have made such an improvement possible (AM DAs are inherently analog systems)--or the people who did the job were able to work miracles. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 10 18:48:33 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:48:52 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Talk radio caller's car hit while she's on air Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:08:37 >From: Bob Nelson >To: Larry Weil , boston-radio->interest@bostonradio.org >And I believe the article mentioned she had pulled >over to make the call to WABC. If callers were >_totally_ prohibited from making cell phone calls >to talk radio stations while in their vehicle, you >would have a lot fewer calls on-air (unless they'd >choose to break the law in so doing...) In many cases, these calls via cell phones are not a good advertisement for the quality of cell phones. Many times the call is either dropped totally, or is so substandard (it sounds like WBZ-AM during the day) that the host askes the caller to find a better cell or use a landline phone; digital service is SUPPOSED to keep this from happening, a man wearing a black trenchcoat claims. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 10 18:52:38 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Dec 10 18:52:57 2003 Subject: Fwd: WBIX night operation Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:36:45 >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" interest@bostonradio.org> >I heard Mark Mills mention on his PM-drive show today >(after WBIX had >switched to the first, and least restrictive, step of >its post-sunset >regimen) that testing of the night signal is complete >and, though he didn't >say so in so many words, application has been made >to the FCC for >program-test authority. Speaking of pre-program-test-authority work, I notice that the new AM 1470, WAZN, has not been heard simulcasting WLYN-AM in Lynn from the WTTT array lately. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 11 00:26:08 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Dec 11 00:26:56 2003 Subject: Twilight Zone Message-ID: <3FD7B9A0.32448.5C2D65@localhost> There is a new Twilight Zone radio series. According to the sight www.twilightzoneradio.com it's being carried in Massachusetts on WEIM 1280 Fitchburg, Saturdays at 10 PM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@comcast.net Thu Dec 11 15:13:08 2003 From: nostaticatall@comcast.net (Nostaticatall) Date: Thu Dec 11 15:10:52 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <55808.216.204.15.170.1071095186.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FD8CFD4.3020306@comcast.net> Actually, most Clear Channel CHR's have been carrying Rick Dees' show, not AT40. Both shows are distributed by Premiere Radio Networks, owned by CC. Last I heard, AT40 only had 75-80 affiliates here in the states. Many of these affiliates are smaller market, non-CC owned stations along with some heritage CHR's owned by CC such as Kiss 108 and Z-100/New York. I would think at this point the Hot AC and AC versions of the show (AT20) have more affiliates than AT40. Ultimately, the big loser here could be Rick Dees. I'd suspect that nearly all of the Clear Channel CHR's will switch over to AT40 with Seacrest. Some stations like KIIS/LA will run both shows, but I would not be too suprised if Dees loses a lot of affiliates as a result of this new show. Mike Thomas SteveOrdinetz wrote: >I'm frankly surprised Casey hadn't stepped down sooner. CHR is very >different today than it was in 1970 when the show debuted, yet he's still >doing the exact same schtik. While there is no disputing his contribution >to the art, it's time for a hipper-sounding AT40 with someone who can at >least remember when he was in the format's demo. Leno took over from >Johnny and made the Tonight Show his...hopefully this new host can do the >same with AT40. I wonder how many stations AT40 would even still be on >had CC not more or less decreed that all their CHRs carry it. > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Dec 11 16:03:15 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Dec 11 16:03:35 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <3FD8CFD4.3020306@comcast.net> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <55808.216.204.15.170.1071095186.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <3FD8CFD4.3020306@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200312112103.hBBL3FXG062921@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Ultimately, the big loser here could be Rick Dees. I never much liked Dees's show, although I wasn't all that keen on AT40 either. The countdown show I liked the most was CBS RADIORADIO's ``Top 40 Satellite Survey'' with Dan Ingram. (Probably this boils down to the fact that I liked Ingram as a jock more than either Dees or Kasem.) -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 11 17:16:54 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:11:37 2003 Subject: Maine Tower Collapses Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031211171603.03070900@gwind.pair.com> The WMGX/WYNZ tower in Portland came down about 1:30 this afternoon. WYNZ's back from an aux site, but WMGX is silent. More details (such as they are at this point) in NERW - www.fybush.com s From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Dec 11 17:13:04 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:13:07 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <200312112103.hBBL3FXG062921@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <55808.216.204.15.170.1071095186.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <3FD8CFD4.3020306@comcast.net> <200312112103.hBBL3FXG062921@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote... > > I never much liked Dees's show, although I wasn't all that keen on AT40 > either. The countdown show I liked the most was CBS RADIORADIO's ``Top > 40 Satellite Survey'' with Dan Ingram. (Probably this boils down to the > fact that I liked Ingram as a jock more than either Dees or Kasem.) My favorites of all the countdown shows were the one hosted by Scott Shannon (forget what it was called), followed closely by the Hitlist with Elvis Duran & Elliot somebody. Never cared for Ingram's countdown show, but then again I never cared much for him as jock either. Curiously, why was Ingram's called the Satellite Survey? I'm pretty sure it was delivered on vinyl...I remember hearing it skip once on the air. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Dec 11 17:29:31 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:29:38 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <55808.216.204.15.170.1071095186.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <3FD8CFD4.3020306@comcast.net> <200312112103.hBBL3FXG062921@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312112229.hBBMTVxC063654@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Curiously, why was Ingram's called the Satellite Survey? I'm pretty > sure it was delivered on vinyl...I remember hearing it skip once on > the air. I think it's because satellites were still sexy back then. I know for certain that it was delivered on vinyl, because the station I heard it on was illegally giving away the program discs in a weekly contest (you had to call in on Monday night and name the Nth song on the previous Sunday's countdown to ``win all of the songs on the survey''), and I won it once. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, since they were legally stolen property), those discs have long since disappeared. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Dec 11 17:58:04 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:58:09 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <200312112229.hBBMTVxC063654@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001d01c3c03a$3c50a4a0$c3ec33d1@alvin> > I know for certain that it was delivered on vinyl, because > the station I heard it on was illegally giving away the > program discs in a weekly contest (you had to call in on > Monday night and name the Nth song on the previous Sunday's > countdown to ``win all of the songs on the survey''), and I > won it once. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, since > they were legally stolen property), those discs have long > since disappeared. > Now that you've confessed to receiving stolen property, maybe Atty Ross will provide you counsel :-) We'll have to start the "Free Garret" group. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Dec 11 18:19:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Dec 11 18:19:29 2003 Subject: Maine Tower Collapses References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031211171603.03070900@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <000601c3c03d$37a082b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Maine Tower Collapses > The WMGX/WYNZ tower in Portland came down about 1:30 this afternoon. WYNZ's > back from an aux site, but WMGX is silent. More details (such as they are > at this point) in NERW - www.fybush.com WCSH quoted Portland Radio GM Cary Pahagian as saying that they did not know what lead to the tower collapsing. He said the towers were regularly inspected. The weather in Maine today is rainy and windy, but the temperature in Portland this afternoon was above 40 so icing was not an issue. The tower is a major local landmark. It stood right next to Interstate 295 just as the interstate comes into Portland. The tower fell within 18 inches of hitting the building at Nappi Distributors. It took out two cars and pulled power lines down on the railroad tracks. As a former employee of Portland Radio Group, I can say that the companies studio facilities are well maintained and modern. I obviously have no direct knowledge of the maintenance of the companies towers, but my impression was that the company took maintenance seriously. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Dec 11 20:19:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu Dec 11 20:19:29 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold Message-ID: <000c01c3c04d$fb5b5f30$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Maine's classical music radio network has been sold to a New Jersey company. Mariner Broadcasting' six stations, including flagship WBQQ-FM, also known as W-Bach, and Kennebunkport adult contemporary station WQEZ-FM will become property of Nassau Broadcasting Holdings of Princeton, N.J. The stations were sold for $18.3 million. http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2003/12/11/maines_classical_music_radio_network_has_been_sold/ From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Dec 11 20:22:22 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Dec 11 20:22:27 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold Message-ID: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:19:25, "Dan Billings" wrote: > Maine's classical music radio network has been sold to a New Jersey company. > Mariner Broadcasting' six stations, including flagship WBQQ-FM, also known > as W-Bach, and Kennebunkport adult contemporary station WQEZ-FM will become > property of Nassau Broadcasting Holdings of Princeton, N.J. > The stations were sold for $18.3 million. Does anyone else think an all-sports FM rim-shotter could be in sight on 104.9? From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Dec 11 20:52:32 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Dec 11 20:52:36 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> References: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <200312120152.hBC1qWPU064614@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Does anyone else think an all-sports FM rim-shotter could be in > sight on 104.9? 104.9 was not owned by Mariner. I don't think the Tanger who owns WBOQ is likely to be flipping formats. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 11 20:53:00 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Dec 11 20:53:07 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> References: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031211205017.02525290@mail.mac.com> At 08:22 PM 12/11/2003, Sean Smyth wrote: >Does anyone else think an all-sports FM rim-shotter could be in sight on >104.9? No! Although WBOQ was part of the same group as the Maine stations at one time, it has since been sold to a different member of the family, and does not seem to be included in this sale. I believe WBOQ is doing quite well it it's North Shore market (not an official market, but the area they are trying to reach), so I see no reason for a change. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Dec 11 21:10:01 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:10:11 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold Message-ID: <200312120210.VAA06802@webmail8.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:53:00, Larry Weil wrote: > At 08:22 PM 12/11/2003, Sean Smyth wrote: > > >Does anyone else think an all-sports FM rim-shotter could be in sight on > >104.9? > > No! > > Although WBOQ was part of the same group as the Maine stations at one time, > it has since been sold to a different member of the family, and does not > seem to be included in this sale. I can't keep track anymore. The Tangers seem to flip stations back and forth more frequently than the Patriots and Jets swap players. From RogerKola@aol.com Thu Dec 11 22:46:25 2003 From: RogerKola@aol.com (RogerKola@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:46:44 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/03 8:53:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu writes: > 104.9 was not owned by Mariner. I don't think the Tanger who owns > WBOQ is likely to be flipping formats. > > -GAWollman I have been told.....WBOQ is in the process of "informing" their advertisers that a format change will take place on 12/23/03.... Indications are a MOR/AC/70's (part time syndicated) format....in contrast to their current "jazz by local artists".... Again this is 3rd hand...rep to customer to me...so take it for what it is worth... Roger From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Dec 11 23:18:01 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Dec 11 23:18:37 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: Message-ID: <001201c3c066$eee52e20$6400a8c0@brianhome> > I have been told.....WBOQ is in the process of "informing" their advertisers > that a format change will take place on 12/23/03.... > > Indications are a MOR/AC/70's (part time syndicated) format....in contrast to > their current "jazz by local artists".... > I was at a concert in Boston on Tuesday evening and the club's booking agent mentioned in passing that the station had been sold and that he'd heard that it was flipping to oldies. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Thu Dec 11 23:29:13 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu Dec 11 23:29:44 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <200312120152.hBC1qWPU064614@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> Message-ID: <3FD8FDC9.1461.4C86D9@localhost> On 11 Dec 2003 at 20:52, Garrett Wollman wrote: > 104.9 was not owned by Mariner. I don't think the Tanger who owns > WBOQ is likely to be flipping formats. They already did. They've moved away from classical to more pop music. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Dec 12 00:47:09 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri Dec 12 00:47:19 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <3FD8FDC9.1461.4C86D9@localhost> References: <200312120122.hBC1MMD10737@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> <3FD8FDC9.1461.4C86D9@localhost> Message-ID: At 11:29 PM -0500 12/11/03, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 11 Dec 2003 at 20:52, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >> 104.9 was not owned by Mariner. I don't think the Tanger who owns >> WBOQ is likely to be flipping formats. > >They already did. They've moved away from classical to more pop music. No, that was the previous Tanger. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 01:22:20 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Dec 12 02:00:16 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: Message-ID: <037301c3c07c$ddd1d5a0$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > In a message dated 12/11/03 8:53:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu writes: > > > 104.9 was not owned by Mariner. I don't think the Tanger who owns > > WBOQ is likely to be flipping formats. > > > > -GAWollman > > I have been told.....WBOQ is in the process of "informing" their advertisers > that a format change will take place on 12/23/03.... Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with Simon Geller that the station would stay Classical? JP From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 05:52:26 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Dec 12 05:52:47 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031212105226.70953.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> Whatever happened to Shadow Steven's countdown? And wasn't he in the Dave Barry sitcom "Dave's World". > My favorites of all the countdown shows were the one > hosted by Scott > Shannon (forget what it was called), followed > closely by the Hitlist with > Elvis Duran & Elliot somebody. Never cared for > Ingram's countdown show, > but then again I never cared much for him as jock > either. Curiously, why > was Ingram's called the Satellite Survey? I'm > pretty sure it was > delivered on vinyl...I remember hearing it skip once > on the air. > > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 07:30:06 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri Dec 12 07:21:52 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <037301c3c07c$ddd1d5a0$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: On 12/12/03 1:22 AM, "Joseph Pappalardo" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > > Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with Simon Geller that the > station would stay Classical? WBOQ hasn't been classical for some time now. At least a year ago they flipped to a format that I would call jazz-pop standards. Eli Polonsky From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 12 07:44:03 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Dec 12 07:46:35 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: Message-ID: <000001c3c0ad$ef68bdc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> It's really too bad that somebody doesn't syndicate a format similar to the one BOQ has been running until now. Aside from WBOQ, the only place I know where one can pick up similar formats is on satellite radio. WBOQ's music was great and the station SOUNDED as if it were doing well (good spot load) but I guess that the locally produced format (though voice tracked in many dayparts) was just too expensive for the greedy new owner (even though he is a member of the Tanger family). It seems that any music format that I like on commercial radio is doomed. The people who really P!@# me off, though, are the ones who say "gee, I hope they switch to smooth jazz." What the H!@# is the matter with these idiots? What is it that bothers them about real (albeit, light) jazz with recognizable melodies? MUST the only "jazz" on commercial radio be Kenny G 24/7? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Polonsky To: Joseph Pappalardo ; Cc: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > On 12/12/03 1:22 AM, "Joseph Pappalardo" > wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 PM > > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > > > > Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with Simon Geller that the > > station would stay Classical? > > WBOQ hasn't been classical for some time now. At least a year ago > they flipped to a format that I would call jazz-pop standards. > > Eli Polonsky > From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 12 08:22:53 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 12 08:21:49 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <20031212105226.70953.qmail@web20721.mail.yahoo.com> References: <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031212081843.00a1f880@pop3.bit-net.com> Cooper Fox wrote: >Whatever happened to Shadow Steven's countdown? I believe he was odd man out when the the syndicator who owned AT40 either bought or was bought by the syndicator who owned Casey's "new" show (Casey's Top 40, as I recall). CT40 was renamed AT40 with Casey at the bat. I think Shadoe's countdown continued to be distributed overseas, at least for a while. IIRC, a lot of affiliates jumped ship when Casey left, and Shadoe never really established himself. From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 07:51:49 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Dec 12 08:41:09 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <000001c3c0ad$ef68bdc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20031212125149.68861.qmail@web20726.mail.yahoo.com> Do these Tangers have anything to do with the outlet malls? > owner (even though he is > a member of the Tanger family). It seems that any > music format that I like > on commercial radio is doomed. The people who really > P!@# me off, though, > are the ones who say "gee, I hope they switch to > smooth jazz." What the H!@# > is the matter with these idiots? What is it that > bothers them about real > (albeit, light) jazz with recognizable melodies? > MUST the only "jazz" on > commercial radio be Kenny G 24/7? > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eli Polonsky > To: Joseph Pappalardo ; > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network > has been sold > > > > On 12/12/03 1:22 AM, "Joseph Pappalardo" > > > wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio > network has been sold > > > > > > Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with > Simon Geller that the > > > station would stay Classical? > > > > WBOQ hasn't been classical for some time now. At > least a year ago > > they flipped to a format that I would call > jazz-pop standards. > > > > Eli Polonsky > > > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 12 11:34:31 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:35:18 2003 Subject: Has WCRN dropped Money Matters? Message-ID: <001001c3c0cd$e8b34fc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Since before it flipped to a largely adult standards format, WCRN (830 Worcester) has carried Barry Armstrong's (now nationally syndicated via TalkAmerica) Money Matters call-in show (M-F 9:00-11:00 Eastern). Armstrong's show originates in the Newton studios of WBNW (1120 Concord), which Armstrong (or technically, his wife, Susan) owns. This morning around 9:30, I noticed that WCRN was carrying Christmas music, which it has been doing since Thanksgiving, except duing Money Matters and during infomercials (which WCRN carries on weekend mornings and M-F during the hour after Money Matters). I tuned to WBNW and found that the show was on--albeit, not with Armstrong, but with host Dave Cohen, who regularly hosts WBNW's weekday Power Lunch program at noon. Cohen was taking calls from around the country, so Money Matters is still in syndication. Cohen was apparently just filling in for Armstrong, because at 11:00 Cohen signed off with "I'll see you sometime." At 10:45, WCRN was airing an informercial. After the 11:00 AP Network news, WCRN resumed the Christmas music. I would think that if technical difficulties prevented Money Matters from airing on WCRN, the station would have run an announcement and wouldn't have moved the informercial into the earlier time slot. So I wonder whether WCRN has dropped Money Matters or has at least dropped it when Armstrong doesn't appear or has dropped it in the pre-Christmas period. Perhaps Armstrong and WCRN or TalkAmerica failed to agree on what WCRN would pay to carry the show. WCRN, which runs 50 kW D and holds a recently granted CP for 50 kW-U, is the most powerful station that has been carrying Armstrong's show. Until TalkAmerica became the syndicator, the show was brokered, which means that Armstrong paid WCRN to carry it--and most likely paid quite a few of his other affiliates. My understanding is that TalkAmerica, which used to syndicate all of its shows in trade for affiliates' spot inventory, has gradually transitioned to a more conventional business model. Therefore, instead of paying stations to carry Money Matters, the network may expect to receive payment from the stations. Although Armstrong's program is pretty good, Armstrong isn't exactly Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, or Don Imus. It wouldn't seem that many stations would be willing or able to pay for any but the few top names in nationally syndicated talk. So if a program producer signs with TalkAmerica, is he shooting himself (or at least his program) in the foot? Can somebody explain? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 13:09:51 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:15:50 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: Message-ID: <002b01c3c0db$38d72320$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > > > > Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with Simon Geller that the > > station would stay Classical? > > WBOQ hasn't been classical for some time now. At least a year ago > they flipped to a format that I would call jazz-pop standards. I ws under the impression that they were dancing around the edge of the limitations of what they could do with a format under the Geller agreement. I was thinking that they were still trying to play "classics"....albeit American classics, Jazz, standards, etc. If they flip to something very mainstream, it would be hard to even make a case that they are living up to the Geller agreement. $.02 JP From mamros@MIT.EDU Fri Dec 12 13:29:07 2003 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:29:11 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:09:51 EST." <002b01c3c0db$38d72320$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> >I ws under the impression that they were dancing around the edge of the >limitations of what they could do with a format under the Geller agreement. What sort of teeth would any "Geller agreement" (if any such thing actually existed) have? He's dead, right? Who would enforce it? -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 13:29:19 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:33:44 2003 Subject: Herald on Ch. 4 re-branding, Christmas stations Message-ID: <20031212182919.24968.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> An article and a column from today's Herald about WBZ-TV's re-branding as "CBS-4" and Boston's two all-Christmas stations. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/business.bg?articleid=1065 Ch. 4's GM says that the WBZ name will "take a back seat" and that some TV viewers, some 9 years after the affiliation swap, still click on the station expecting to find the likes of Jay Leno... http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/edgeTV.bg?articleid=314 All-Christmas stations WODS and WQSX figure to pick up new listeners (or bring back some old ones) with the all-Christmas-tunes format. No word on how many people will instead find themselves turning AWAY from these stations, not just now but after Christmas as well. ``I believe it will be a big promotion for us,'' said WODS Program Director Greg Strassell, ``and that we'll be reaching listeners who normally may not tune in and reintroduce them to this frequency. ``We think there will be a lot of positives on Dec. 26 when we're playing '60s and '70s music again, and that we'll have made some new friends.'' [...and ticked off some old ones :) ] From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 13:31:29 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:36:49 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002501c3c0de$2d9de0e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > >I ws under the impression that they were dancing around the edge of the > >limitations of what they could do with a format under the Geller agreement. > > What sort of teeth would any "Geller agreement" (if any such thing actually > existed) have? He's dead, right? Who would enforce it? Add to that he didn't have any family, 'cept a brother, and I believe he is long passed too. I would suppose his attorney, or the trustee...? Attorney Ross? ;-) JP From hopperman@metrocast.net Fri Dec 12 13:39:57 2003 From: hopperman@metrocast.net (Richard Hopper) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:38:44 2003 Subject: WLOB Maine Dave Ramsey MIA Message-ID: Will Dave Ramsey be back? Sean Hannity (sp) has been on in the afternoon the last few days. Thanks -- Rick Hopper Marketing Consultant/Events WLNH BIG 101.5 WEMJ PO Box 7326 Gilford, NH 03247 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 12 13:56:04 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:57:14 2003 Subject: WAZN and WBIX file for licenses to cover Message-ID: <001201c3c0e1$bbf6e3c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In what seems to me to be an unusual development, WAZN filed on 11/12/03 and WBIX filed on 12/1/03 applications for licenses to cover. WAZN must be filing for a license to cover its transmitter move to the WTTT site in Lexington, with new directional patterns, reduced day and night power (compared with the licensed facilities, which are the no longer exisiting facilities on Fitchburg St in Marlborough), and change of COL to Watertown. WBIX must be filing for its change of station class from D to B and addition of 2500W night operation from the WAMG 890 towers on Sewell St in Ashland. As far as I can tell, neither station has filed to amend its construction permit. For directional AMs NOT to amend their CPs to specifiy augmentations of the standard patterns is VERY unusual. Particularly in WBIX's case, it seems IMPOSSIBLE to me that augmentation would not be required. The standard pattern is incredibly restrictive--really, unnecessarily so--based on the fact that, at one point, the station held at CP--if not a license--for 3.3W night from the Ashland towers. 3.3W ND from one of these 205.5-degree towers produces and inverse-distance field of 25 mV/m at 1 km. Yet the standard pattern shows field intensities substantially lower over a 170 degree arc from 185 degrees to 355 degrees. Indeed, at two azimuths, the standard pattern shows inverse-distance fields of only about 1.5% of 25 mV/m (meaning that the power is equvalent to less than 0.001W). There is NO WAY that such low field strengths can accurately represent the actual values, which I would expect to come close to 25 mV/m over a substantial portion of the 170-degree arc of suppressed raditiation. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Dec 12 13:59:35 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:00:02 2003 Subject: WAZN and WBIX file for licenses to cover Message-ID: <001901c3c0e2$1a1f32e0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In what seems to me to be an unusual development, WAZN filed on 11/12/03 and WBIX filed on 12/1/03 applications for licenses to cover. WAZN must be filing for a license to cover its transmitter move to the WTTT site in Lexington, with new directional patterns, reduced day and night power (compared with the licensed facilities, which are the no longer exisiting facilities on Fitchburg St in Marlborough), and change of COL to Watertown. WBIX must be filing for its change of station class from D to B and addition of 2500W night operation from the WAMG 890 towers on Sewell St in Ashland. As far as I can tell, neither station has filed to amend its construction permit. For directional AMs NOT to amend their CPs to specifiy augmentations of the standard patterns is VERY unusual. Particularly in WBIX's case, it seems IMPOSSIBLE to me that augmentation would not be required. The standard pattern is incredibly restrictive--really, unnecessarily so--based on the fact that, at one point, the station held at CP--if not a license--for 3.3W night from the Ashland towers. 3.3W ND from one of these 205.5-degree towers produces and inverse-distance field of 25 mV/m at 1 km. Yet the standard pattern shows field intensities substantially lower over a 170 degree arc from 185 degrees to 355 degrees. Indeed, at two azimuths, the standard pattern shows inverse-distance fields of only about 1.5% of 25 mV/m (meaning that the power is equvalent to less than 0.001W). There is NO WAY that such low field strengths can accurately represent the actual values, which I would expect to come close to 25 mV/m over substantial portions of the 170-degree arc of suppressed raditiation. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 From sgitschier@cfl.rr.com Fri Dec 12 14:11:10 2003 From: sgitschier@cfl.rr.com (Sandra Gitschier) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:11:26 2003 Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. References: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <086501c3c0e3$b7bcd1a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> I think Radio Commercial, "WKNM" 1570 Lowell, MA, ought to be shopping for a new frequency if the WNSH plans get off the ground. They're Portugese-language programming as Radio Commmercial, if memory serves, located out of a travel agency at the corners of Elm and Central Streets, Lowell. I don't recall seeing Lowell in the primary coverage contour of WNSH's 50kw service, but surely there probably would be some level of interference with this meek signal. Thoughts? Ron Gitschier Palm Coast, FL Hometown: Lowell, MA (WKNM exterior photos available via email...) From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 14:36:41 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:56:39 2003 Subject: WLOB Maine Dave Ramsey MIA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031212193641.8161.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> Richard, how does WLOB come down in your area? --- Richard Hopper wrote: > Will Dave Ramsey be back? > > > > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:46:57 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 12 15:46:59 2003 Subject: Has WCRN dropped Money Matters? In-Reply-To: <001001c3c0cd$e8b34fc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001001c3c0cd$e8b34fc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <60541.216.204.15.170.1071262017.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Dan Stassberg said... > > My understanding is that TalkAmerica, which > used to syndicate all of its shows in trade for affiliates' spot > inventory, has gradually transitioned to a more conventional business > model. Therefore, instead of paying stations to carry Money Matters, the > network may expect to receive payment from the stations. Although > Armstrong's program is pretty good, Armstrong isn't exactly Rush > Limbaugh, Howard Stern, or Don Imus. It wouldn't seem that many stations > would be willing or able to pay for any but the few top names in > nationally syndicated talk Most syndicated programming is bartered...ie you get to carry the show for "free", but must clear the network spots (including in some cases a certain # that must run outside the show). Only the big names (Rush, Howard, Imus, etc.) require payment. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 12 15:54:58 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 12 15:54:58 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:09:51 EST." <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: <60613.216.204.15.170.1071262498.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> >>I ws under the impression that they were dancing around the edge of the >> limitations of what they could do with a format under the Geller >> agreement. > > What sort of teeth would any "Geller agreement" (if any such thing > actually existed) have? He's dead, right? Who would enforce it? Also, was there a statute of limitations on this agreement? If so, it may have passed. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Dec 12 16:12:51 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri Dec 12 16:12:57 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <000001c3c0ad$ef68bdc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003301c3c0f4$b4b4b200$c3ec33d1@alvin> Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:44 AM > To: Eli Polonsky > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > > > It's really too bad that somebody doesn't syndicate a format > similar to the one BOQ has been running until now. Aside from > WBOQ, the only place I know where one can pick up similar > formats is on satellite radio. First of all, WBOQ was essentially MOYL with a bit of NAC thrown in. I actually listened to the station for the first time in recent history last week and was impressed with the sound but annoyed by the stopsets from hell. They seemed to go on forever. > I guess that the locally produced format (though voice tracked in many > dayparts) was just too expensive for the greedy new owner > (even though he is a member of the Tanger family). Given the fact that we really don't know what's being done and that all that's being said is speculation, won't you feel like an ass if there are no changes? > The people who really P!@# me off, though, are the > ones who say "gee, I hope they switch to smooth jazz." What > the H!@# is the matter with these idiots? What is it that > bothers them about real (albeit, light) jazz with > recognizable melodies? MUST the only "jazz" on commercial > radio be Kenny G 24/7? > Thirdly, Kenny G makes up very little of a smooth jazz rotation. Right now on the NAC charts you'll find David Sanborn (known for more traditional jazz), a number of covers of various Motown and R&B songs by Michael McDonald, Lee Rittenour, George Benson, etc. What I hear on the smooth jazz stations that I listen to when I travel and also off of XM is a strong lean towards an upbeat Motown type sound. Take a look at this week's R&R chart: http://www.rronline.com/Charts/sj_Home.htm Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 12 16:43:30 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Fri Dec 12 16:44:36 2003 Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. References: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org> <086501c3c0e3$b7bcd1a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> Message-ID: <011f01c3c0f8$fcefc420$629ee541@p133> You really have me curious, WKNM????? I've checked all the data sources I have back to 1978, and have nothing on such a station....and nothing in FCC files. Was/is it a "pirate", on flea power? Any history would be very welcome! and yes, and pictures of the exterior, please! I envy you, in FL, while we have snow.... bet you don't miss it any! - Madprof / Bob Sutherland Waltham, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Gitschier" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. > I think Radio Commercial, "WKNM" 1570 Lowell, MA, ought to be shopping for a > new frequency if the WNSH plans get off the ground. They're > Portugese-language programming as Radio Commmercial, if memory serves, > located out of a travel agency at the corners of Elm and Central Streets, > Lowell. I don't recall seeing Lowell in the primary coverage contour of > WNSH's 50kw service, but surely there probably would be some level of > interference with this meek signal. > > Thoughts? > > Ron Gitschier > Palm Coast, FL > Hometown: Lowell, MA > (WKNM exterior photos available via email...) > > > From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Fri Dec 12 18:00:45 2003 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:02:19 2003 Subject: WBOQ; smooth jazz/NAC References: <000001c3c0ad$ef68bdc0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <002f01c3c103$c8db8c40$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> > It's really too bad that somebody doesn't syndicate a format similar to theone BOQ has been running until now.> I agree. Lately I've gotten several cassette airchecks of WBOQ from a friend who lives in Beverly (Bob Nelson)..and I love the station. Yeah, I grew up on 60's and 70's rock and Motown...and I've never been a classical or big band fan, but...there's just something really interesting about WBOQ. But...I have to disagree about smooth jazz. I don't like the NAC/SJ stations in 2003 as much as I did in the mid 1990's...as most have really cut back on their "oldies" library, and play much shorter current/recurrent playlists, and too many AC/light rock vocals....but...that being said...I like 1/3rd to 1/2 of the instrumentals they play. Comparred to most mainstream formats in 2003, at least NAC/SJ has some new, creative music. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 12 18:42:22 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:42:27 2003 Subject: Radio tower crashes down Message-ID: <001501c3c109$97135980$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> A good article with some speculation on causes can be found at: http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/031212tower.shtml From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 12 18:45:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:45:31 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002801c3c10a$043790d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Mamros" To: "Joseph Pappalardo" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > What sort of teeth would any "Geller agreement" (if any such thing actually > existed) have? He's dead, right? Who would enforce it? That would depend on how it is worded. \ I wonder about such a provision being enforceable on a property depending upon a federal license, which can only be transfered with FCC approval. From ssmyth@psu.edu Fri Dec 12 19:27:17 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri Dec 12 19:27:29 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <002801c3c10a$043790d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean> Dan Billings writes: << I wonder about such a provision being enforceable on a property depending upon a federal license, which can only be transfered with FCC approval. >> I thought Simon Geller was selling merely because he couldn't afford to battle the FCC anymore. (Well, I understand health concerns were also involved in the mix.) It doesn't sound like he was dealing from a position of strength therefore I doubt he really would have had the foresight to put such a clause in the sale agreement. What about the mandate placed on Ted Jones' estate that WCRB must remain classical until 2096 or somewhere around there? From sgitschier@cfl.rr.com Fri Dec 12 21:29:05 2003 From: sgitschier@cfl.rr.com (Sandra Gitschier) Date: Fri Dec 12 21:29:19 2003 Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. References: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org> <086501c3c0e3$b7bcd1a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> <011f01c3c0f8$fcefc420$629ee541@p133> Message-ID: <001701c3c120$e3abb0a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> WKNM 1570 Radio Comercial, Lowell, MA is a very low power station, in the Part 15 Category. I don't know how legal it is. I think it's been around about 4 years now. I also have an aircheck I made somewhere around 1999 or 2000 when I visited home. As I alluded to, it's in Portugese, in a predominately Portugese neighborhood. I indeed miss the snow; spent a couple of weeks there last January and enjoyed all the snowstorms, actually! I regularly use some of my military vacation time to go home anually, during the winter. Photos under seperate cover, Ron Gitschier Palm Coast, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "madprof" > You really have me curious, WKNM????? I've checked all the data sources > I have back to 1978, and have nothing on such a station....and nothing in > FCC files. Was/is it a "pirate", on flea power? Any history would be > very welcome! and yes, and pictures of the exterior, please! > > I envy you, in FL, while we have snow.... bet you don't miss it any! > > > - Madprof / Bob Sutherland Waltham, MA From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 01:15:26 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Dec 13 01:22:40 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> > I thought Simon Geller was selling merely because he couldn't afford to > battle the FCC anymore. (Well, I understand health concerns were also > involved in the mix.) I think health issues won out. > It doesn't sound like he was dealing from a > position of strength... He never dealt from a position of strength...I would call it a position of "stubbornness". ;-) He would fight the FCC taking away the license...he would refuse to even TALK to anyone who wanted to buy it. > therefore I doubt he really would have had the > foresight to put such a clause in the sale agreement. Oh he definitely had the foresight....that why he sold it to who he did...and that's who bought it, bought it...a company that DOES classical music. > What about the mandate placed on Ted Jones' estate that WCRB must remain > classical until 2096 or somewhere around there? If I am correct..and I could be wrong. Jone's ownership went into a trust. And the trsut still owns it. And the trsut follows the wishes laid forth by it's creator...Jones! I believe there is an "out". If they go below the water mark for a period of time...the remaining owners can change the station's format. From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Dec 13 01:41:50 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Dec 13 01:42:13 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> References: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean> <01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <1071297714.119B773E@r31.dngr.org> Don't forget the FCC hurt the resale value of Geller's station when they allowed WRBB to use 104.9 On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 1:27am, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > >> I thought Simon Geller was selling merely because he couldn't afford >> to >> battle the FCC anymore. (Well, I understand health concerns were also >> involved in the mix.) > > I think health issues won out. > >> It doesn't sound like he was dealing from a >> position of strength... > > He never dealt from a position of strength...I would call it a position > of > "stubbornness". ;-) > > He would fight the FCC taking away the license...he would refuse to > even > TALK to anyone who wanted to buy it. > >> therefore I doubt he really would have had the >> foresight to put such a clause in the sale agreement. > > Oh he definitely had the foresight....that why he sold it to who he > did...and that's who bought it, bought it...a company that DOES > classical > music. > >> What about the mandate placed on Ted Jones' estate that WCRB must >> remain >> classical until 2096 or somewhere around there? > > If I am correct..and I could be wrong. Jone's ownership went into a > trust. > And the trsut still owns it. And the trsut follows the wishes laid > forth by > it's creator...Jones! I believe there is an "out". If they go below > the > water mark for a period of time...the remaining owners can change the > station's format. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 02:01:53 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Dec 13 02:07:25 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean><01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> <1071297714.119B773E@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000f01c3c147$01a90a00$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> > Don't forget the FCC hurt the resale value of Geller's station when they > allowed WRBB to use 104.9 When did 'RBB start on 104.9? (BTW...What year did Geller start on 104.9, while we're on the subject.) JP From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Dec 13 02:27:08 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Dec 13 02:27:19 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <000f01c3c147$01a90a00$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> References: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean><01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> <1071297714.119B773E@r31.dngr.org> <000f01c3c147$01a90a00$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <1071300431.2BC1F958@w37.dngr.org> Early 70's I believe. Geller early 60's if not before. Geller was a real pain to the FCC and by putting WRBB on 104.9 destroyed any chance of the station being a Boston rimshotter. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 2:07am, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > >> Don't forget the FCC hurt the resale value of Geller's station when >> they >> allowed WRBB to use 104.9 > > When did 'RBB start on 104.9? > > (BTW...What year did Geller start on 104.9, while we're on the > subject.) > > JP From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 03:19:31 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Dec 13 03:19:38 2003 Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. In-Reply-To: <001701c3c120$e3abb0a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> Message-ID: <20031213081931.56910.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sandra Gitschier wrote: > I indeed miss the snow; spent a couple of weeks > there last January and > enjoyed all the snowstorms, actually! You would have loved the 32 inches of snow here in Beverly (an hr and a half to dig my car out on Monday) From garfra@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 06:49:33 2003 From: garfra@comcast.net (garfra) Date: Sat Dec 13 06:49:43 2003 Subject: WKNM 1570 vs WNSH proposed 50kw Plant on 1570. References: <1071035004.208BE724@s29.dngr.org><086501c3c0e3$b7bcd1a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo><011f01c3c0f8$fcefc420$629ee541@p133> <001701c3c120$e3abb0a0$bfe1ca44@gitschierzoo> Message-ID: <003f01c3c16f$2d218d10$6500a8c0@office> Actually the 1570 station in Lowell (using someone elses call letters from down south) claims to be 100 WATTS and their tower is about 100 feet high - well above the Part 15 rules. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 13 08:45:13 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 13 08:45:19 2003 Subject: Tower collapse investigated Message-ID: <001301c3c17f$55a80d30$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/031213tower.shtml WMGX was back on the air in 25 hours. The Fall ratings period ended on Wednesday. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 13 08:47:47 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 13 08:47:50 2003 Subject: WCSH news maintains dominance Message-ID: <001901c3c17f$b198bbd0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Portland's TV news ratings picture remained unchanged in November, with WCSH (Channel 6) again winning every time period. WCSH won all six time slots in which its news programs have competition. WGME (Channel 13) came in second in every time period, and WMTW (Channel 8) was third in every one. WMTW increases its ratings at 6 AM and 6 PM. Cancelling the 5 PM news to run Dr. Phil has worked out well for the station. http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/031213nielsens.shtml From fox893@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 12:18:54 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:18:57 2003 Subject: Fwd: Original American Top 40's demise Message-ID: <20031213171854.82988.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew's getting bounce backs and wanted me to post this... --- Matthew Osborne wrote: > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:57:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Matthew Osborne > Subject: Original American Top 40's demise > To: Cooper Fox , > boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.com > > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:52:26 -0800 Cooper Fox > wrote: > > > > > > Whatever happened to Shadow Steven's countdown? > > To the best of my knowledge, around 1992 or so that > version of (the original ABC syndicated) American > Top > 40 started losing affiliates BIG TIME to Rick Dees > and > Casey's Top 40. This trend kept up for the next > couple of years, and in 1994 ABC Watermark pulled > the > plug on the show when it bought the rights to > syndicate the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 from CD Media. > > AT40 remained in production though, because many > foreign stations were still carrying it until > January > 1995, when those foreign contracts finally expired > and > all production of the show stopped. If anyone else > has a more accurate story of how this all shook out > please feel free to post it, but to the best of my > knowledge that is how the original American Top 40 > met > its demise. > > Matt Osborne > Poughkeepsie, NY > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 13 13:10:27 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:10:47 2003 Subject: WKBR-AM 1250 Channels WSMN-AM 1590 Message-ID: It was my understanding that WKBR-AM 1250 in Manchester, NH carried some bird-fed talk shows, e.g. Sean Hannity live, but otherwise was old-style country recordings. My casual review of the AM dial this morning (12/13, Nor'easter v2.0 eve) revealed that they were broadcasting a simulcast of Nashua's WSMN-AM 1590, including that station's commercial load for mainly Nashua businesses. Something like this happened 18 months ago when they picked up "Imus in the M-O-R-N-I-N-G" complete with WFAN spots, traffic, and NYC weather. Has WKBR abandoned nighttime and weekend corn-pone recordings for other talk shows, or sports P-B-P? Have any Granite Staters been monitoring the formerly Bittner Broadcasting outlet lately? 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Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 13:06:14 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:12:35 2003 Subject: Original American Top 40's demise References: <20031213171854.82988.qmail@web20723.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009901c3c1a3$e4d992c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> For those who are interested in the questions and answers about AT40....here is a pretty well done time line about the show...including info about the competing shows. http://leemichaelwithers.tripod.com/americantop40.htm From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 13:38:13 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:38:21 2003 Subject: WKBR-AM 1250 Channels WSMN-AM 1590 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031213183813.86810.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> WKBR and one of the Concord stations picks up the local sports talk show (was previously known as Friday Night Lights) from WSMN Nashua 1590. This has been going on since the beginning of the high school football season. The show has expanded and is on at least Friday nights (pre-empting Celtics) and much of Saturday morning. I'm pretty sure I've heard them on other week nights. John East Derry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 13 13:48:59 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:49:20 2003 Subject: (No Subject) Message-ID: WRKO-AM's Scott Alen Miller (like the cheap, watery beer) appeared on a discussion aired yesterday (12/12) on C-Span 1; I taped a portion of it to see what this guy looks like. He's very overweight, and his fashion statement was to appear in a bivouac-style tent rather than a suit or sports jacket. Hey, Boston has several BIG men's stores! (You may ask: "Hey, what are your dimensions, L.G.?" 5"10", 195 pounds...if you ask the Jibguy, he'll agree Laurence is heavy-set but not borderline obese.) If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm today (12/13). Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 13 14:02:43 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Dec 13 14:03:04 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span Message-ID: I'm resubmitting this post with a title for those who automatically delete (no subject) posts as mystery-meat by Hormel. -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:48:59 From: "Laurence Glavin" To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Cc: WRKO-AM's Scott Alen Miller (like the cheap, watery beer) appeared on a discussion aired yesterday (12/12) on C-Span 1; I taped a portion of it to see what this guy looks like. He's very overweight, and his fashion statement was to appear in a bivouac-style tent rather than a suit or sports jacket. Hey, Boston has several BIG men's stores! (You may ask: "Hey, what are your dimensions, L.G.?" 5"10", 195 pounds...if you ask the Jibguy, he'll agree Laurence is heavy-set but not borderline obese.) If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm today (12/13). Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Dec 13 16:14:51 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Dec 13 16:13:45 2003 Subject: WKBR-AM 1250 Channels WSMN-AM 1590 In-Reply-To: <20031213183813.86810.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031213161117.00a4fd80@pop3.bit-net.com> John Bolduc wrote: >WKBR and one of the Concord stations picks up the local sports talk show >(was previously known as Friday Night Lights) from WSMN Nashua 1590. This >has been going on since the beginning of the high school football season. >The show has expanded and is on at least Friday nights (pre-empting >Celtics) and much of Saturday morning. I'm pretty sure I've heard them on >other week nights. "MT-Speaking On Sports"is on Mon-Thurs from 6-7pm...maybe it's back to 1 hr. on Friday nights too now that high school football is done. I think the Saturday show runs from 10-noon. WKXL in Concord also carries it. Hasn't WKBR totally ditched the country now for all talk? From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Sat Dec 13 17:14:16 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat Dec 13 17:15:20 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span Message-ID: <3FDB8F37.B9E51AB0@Programmer.Net> THE one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: > it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm > today (12/13). I saw the last hour this morning. What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, someone here in Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a panic!)--is C-Span's identification of Jim Horn's station as being "WSBK-AM York" (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced CALL letter change (with permission given by Boston's WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From paul@03038.com Sat Dec 13 20:46:54 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Dec 13 20:47:24 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span In-Reply-To: <3FDB8F37.B9E51AB0@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <001501c3c1e4$3ff60d60$0e87fea9@q0002> Also (I believe Laurence Glavin was complaining about this..) Kevin Miller looked heavier than Scott Alan Miller.....albeit that Scott SHOULD have worn a suit and tie! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Kaimbridge M. GoldChild Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:14 PM To: B-R-I Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span THE one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: > it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm > today (12/13). I saw the last hour this morning. What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, someone here in Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a panic!)--is C-Span's identification of Jim Horn's station as being "WSBK-AM York" (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced CALL letter change (with permission given by Boston's WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From radiotony@comcast.net Sat Dec 13 21:32:54 2003 From: radiotony@comcast.net (tony schinella) Date: Sat Dec 13 21:33:13 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span References: <3FDB8F37.B9E51AB0@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <008301c3c1ea$94408430$6400a8c0@tony> I watched almost the entire discussion and found a lot of it interesting. Scotto should have dressed up just a little bit. If you wear only a shirt, wear black, like Lionel did! BTW, he was hilarious! I would listen to Lionel if he was on the air in this area but I think his show is only local. I was glad to finally hear someone out Blanquita in her place. She is nothing but a organ-grinder for the RNC. The only thing I didn't like was the surprisingly pompous Michael Harrison and his whole attitude. I know it was his show and all, but does he have to rub people's face in his obnoxiousness? Also, his diatribe at the end about talk radio being a business and there shouldn't be any fairness of viewpoints was just too much for me to handle. His self-righteous anger was so over the top. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span > THE one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > > > If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: > > it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm > > today (12/13). > > I saw the last hour this morning. > What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, someone here in > Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a panic!)--is C-Span's > identification of Jim Horn's station as being "WSBK-AM York" > (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced CALL letter > change (with permission given by Boston's WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim > Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wanted-Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html > ---------- > Digitology-The Grand Theory Of The Universe: > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 13 21:49:12 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Dec 13 21:49:22 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span In-Reply-To: <008301c3c1ea$94408430$6400a8c0@tony> References: <3FDB8F37.B9E51AB0@Programmer.Net> <008301c3c1ea$94408430$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031213214524.0253d388@mail.mac.com> At 09:32 PM 12/13/2003, tony schinella wrote: > I would listen to Lionel if he was on the air in this >area but I think his show is only local. His show can be heard on WOR 710 from New York, 11PM to 1 AM weeknights. It comes in here pretty good most nights, unless there's been another solar flare. For more information, see http://www.lionelonline.com. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@03038.com Sat Dec 13 22:54:50 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat Dec 13 22:55:06 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span In-Reply-To: <008301c3c1ea$94408430$6400a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <000a01c3c1f6$1eca5d00$0e87fea9@q0002> Lionel is broadcast on 1450 WKXL...and while not Boston local, the fact is his show is syndicated to some degree... -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of tony schinella Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:33 PM To: B-R-I Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span I watched almost the entire discussion and found a lot of it interesting. Scotto should have dressed up just a little bit. If you wear only a shirt, wear black, like Lionel did! BTW, he was hilarious! I would listen to Lionel if he was on the air in this area but I think his show is only local. I was glad to finally hear someone out Blanquita in her place. She is nothing but a organ-grinder for the RNC. The only thing I didn't like was the surprisingly pompous Michael Harrison and his whole attitude. I know it was his show and all, but does he have to rub people's face in his obnoxiousness? Also, his diatribe at the end about talk radio being a business and there shouldn't be any fairness of viewpoints was just too much for me to handle. His self-righteous anger was so over the top. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span > THE one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > > > If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see for yourself: > > it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm > > today (12/13). > > I saw the last hour this morning. > What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, someone here in > Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a panic!)--is C-Span's > identification of Jim Horn's station as being "WSBK-AM York" > (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced CALL letter > change (with permission given by Boston's WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim > Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wanted-Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html > ---------- > Digitology-The Grand Theory Of The Universe: > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Dec 14 00:39:52 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Dec 14 00:39:57 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span In-Reply-To: <3FDB8F37.B9E51AB0@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <000501c3c204$b3751b80$33434742@Sean> Kaimbridge writes: << What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, someone here in Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a panic!)--is C-Span's identification of Jim Horn's station as being "WSBK-AM York" (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced CALL letter change (with permission given by Boston's WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) >> Jim mixed in with those guys must have been an, um, interesting combo. Wish I'd known enough to watch it! From bostonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 08:18:57 2003 From: bostonradio@yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun Dec 14 08:19:01 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodriguez trade !!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, Just a tiny correction...Yes, he's the Vice chairman of Clear Channel and his investment company -- Hicks, Tate & Muse does own a signficant chunk of Clear Channel. But, he's not a sole owner of the giant media company. Interesting theory...where would they move the Sox broadcasts in Boston? Kiss, Jamn and Kiss 1430? No chance. If 1200 was already in play and had a sports format of some kind, I could see Hicks having some leverage in the A-rod talks. The 1200 project faces a number of obstacles before it can get off the ground. At this point, CC doesn't really have a local radio connection to house the Sox broadcasts in two years. Thanks! Mark --- Mike G wrote: > This was already brought up on another message board that I belong to, but I figured I would > throw this out to everybody out here in radio land. > > The owner of the Texas Rangers, Tom Hicks as most all of you know, also owns Clear Channel. > Could John Henry, Theo Epstein, etc. sweeten the pot to get A-Rod here by moving the flagship of > the Red Sox from Entercomm owned WEEI ??? It might not mean all that much to Hicks, but it will > improve his bottom line for the stations he owns in the boston market. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From bostonradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 08:18:57 2003 From: bostonradio@yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun Dec 14 08:19:11 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodriguez trade !!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, Just a tiny correction...Yes, he's the Vice chairman of Clear Channel and his investment company -- Hicks, Tate & Muse does own a signficant chunk of Clear Channel. But, he's not a sole owner of the giant media company. Interesting theory...where would they move the Sox broadcasts in Boston? Kiss, Jamn and Kiss 1430? No chance. If 1200 was already in play and had a sports format of some kind, I could see Hicks having some leverage in the A-rod talks. The 1200 project faces a number of obstacles before it can get off the ground. At this point, CC doesn't really have a local radio connection to house the Sox broadcasts in two years. Thanks! Mark --- Mike G wrote: > This was already brought up on another message board that I belong to, but I figured I would > throw this out to everybody out here in radio land. > > The owner of the Texas Rangers, Tom Hicks as most all of you know, also owns Clear Channel. > Could John Henry, Theo Epstein, etc. sweeten the pot to get A-Rod here by moving the flagship of > the Red Sox from Entercomm owned WEEI ??? It might not mean all that much to Hicks, but it will > improve his bottom line for the stations he owns in the boston market. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From talent@axcesstalent.com Sun Dec 14 09:40:17 2003 From: talent@axcesstalent.com (Axcess Talent) Date: Sun Dec 14 09:40:32 2003 Subject: Models, Actors & Musicians - Get discovered today! We bring the industry to you! 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AT does not book jobs or collect commissions or percentages of its talent's future earnings. Visit us at www.axcesstalent.com for more info. From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 14 14:53:18 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 14 14:53:34 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodriguez trade !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071431602.EB7FEEE@w5.dngr.org> Sox have an escape clause from WEEI and it no secret they want to be on FM And to make the deal richer SFX Concert connection and Ticketmaster On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 8:31am, Mark wrote: > Mike, > > Just a tiny correction...Yes, he's the Vice chairman of Clear Channel > and his investment company -- Hicks, Tate & Muse does own a signficant > chunk of Clear Channel. But, he's not a sole owner of the giant media > company. > > Interesting theory...where would they move the Sox broadcasts in > Boston? > Kiss, Jamn and Kiss 1430? No chance. If 1200 was already in play and > had a sports format of some kind, I could see Hicks having some > leverage in > the A-rod talks. The 1200 project faces a number of obstacles before it > can get off the ground. At this point, CC doesn't really have a > local radio connection to house the Sox broadcasts in two years. > > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > > --- Mike G wrote: >> This was already brought up on another message board that I belong >> to, but I figured I would >> throw this out to everybody out here in radio land. >> >> The owner of the Texas Rangers, Tom Hicks as most all of you know, >> also owns Clear Channel. >> Could John Henry, Theo Epstein, etc. sweeten the pot to get A-Rod >> here by moving the flagship of >> the Red Sox from Entercomm owned WEEI ??? It might not mean all that >> much to Hicks, but it will >> improve his bottom line for the stations he owns in the boston market. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 14 14:53:18 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 14 14:53:38 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodriguez trade !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031214131857.56720.qmail@web13909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071431602.EB7FEEE@w5.dngr.org> Sox have an escape clause from WEEI and it no secret they want to be on FM And to make the deal richer SFX Concert connection and Ticketmaster On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 8:31am, Mark wrote: > Mike, > > Just a tiny correction...Yes, he's the Vice chairman of Clear Channel > and his investment company -- Hicks, Tate & Muse does own a signficant > chunk of Clear Channel. But, he's not a sole owner of the giant media > company. > > Interesting theory...where would they move the Sox broadcasts in > Boston? > Kiss, Jamn and Kiss 1430? No chance. If 1200 was already in play and > had a sports format of some kind, I could see Hicks having some > leverage in > the A-rod talks. The 1200 project faces a number of obstacles before it > can get off the ground. At this point, CC doesn't really have a > local radio connection to house the Sox broadcasts in two years. > > > Thanks! > > Mark > > > > --- Mike G wrote: >> This was already brought up on another message board that I belong >> to, but I figured I would >> throw this out to everybody out here in radio land. >> >> The owner of the Texas Rangers, Tom Hicks as most all of you know, >> also owns Clear Channel. >> Could John Henry, Theo Epstein, etc. sweeten the pot to get A-Rod >> here by moving the flagship of >> the Red Sox from Entercomm owned WEEI ??? It might not mean all that >> much to Hicks, but it will >> improve his bottom line for the stations he owns in the boston market. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Dec 14 15:06:08 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Dec 14 15:06:12 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodrigueztrade !!!!! In-Reply-To: <1071431602.EB7FEEE@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000701c3c27d$b742ba50$33434742@Sean> Kevin writes: << Sox have an escape clause from WEEI and it no secret they want to be on FM And to make the deal richer SFX Concert connection and Ticketmaster >> What ever happened with Glenn Ordway supposedly being courted by CBS/Infinity? You're the one who floated 103.3 switching to sports post-holiday ... Thoughts now? From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 14 15:08:31 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 14 15:08:43 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodrigueztrade !!!!! In-Reply-To: <000701c3c27d$b742ba50$33434742@Sean> References: <000701c3c27d$b742ba50$33434742@Sean> Message-ID: <1071432514.E78F12A@w5.dngr.org> Glenn hasn't signed with EEI yet either I think Clear Channel getting the ticket contract more likely than radio but anything possible You would have thought the Pats on BCN? On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 3:06pm, Sean Smyth wrote: > Kevin writes: > << Sox have an escape clause from WEEI and it no secret they want to be > on > FM > > And to make the deal richer SFX Concert connection and Ticketmaster >> > > What ever happened with Glenn Ordway supposedly being courted by > CBS/Infinity? > > You're the one who floated 103.3 switching to sports post-holiday ... > Thoughts now? From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Dec 14 16:12:17 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Dec 14 16:12:27 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-Alex Rodrigueztrade !!!!! In-Reply-To: <1071432514.E78F12A@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000801c3c286$f67cb500$33434742@Sean> Kevin writes: << I think Clear Channel getting the ticket contract more likely than radio but anything possible You would have thought the Pats on BCN? >> Why do the Sox even need to give out a ticket distribution contract? They will never not sell out Fenway Park for the majority of the season the rate they're going. I never even saw the Patriots-WBCN thing coming. I agree that sports on FM might work here but there's no logical candidates for it, signal-wise, unless Infinity is thinking of killing off WZLX or WODS. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun Dec 14 17:09:23 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun Dec 14 17:09:26 2003 Subject: WBOQ and WRBB In-Reply-To: <1071297714.119B773E@r31.dngr.org> References: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean> <01a301c3c140$c4448b40$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> <1071297714.119B773E@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200312142209.hBEM9NJf082935@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Don't forget the FCC hurt the resale value of Geller's station when they > allowed WRBB to use 104.9 In what way? As has already been laboriously established by our crack research team on this list, if there were any possibility of improving WBOQ's signal where WRBB is currently located, WBOQ could simply apply for it; if granted, WRBB, a class D, would be bumped from the channel (and perhaps off the air, considering how tight spectrum in Boston is). The protected contour of a class A simply doesn't extend very far. -GAWollman From wftn@comcast.net Sun Dec 14 20:45:09 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 14 20:45:18 2003 Subject: WKBR-AM 1250 Channels WSMN-AM 1590 Message-ID: <121520030145.9180.7a46@comcast.net> Steve, I believe they were carrying country oldies in the morning drive after their broadcast of IMUS was dropped/lost? . I'll check them out. Now the Friday night lights is focusing on Basketball. Gary Ford WFTN-FM > John Bolduc wrote: > >WKBR and one of the Concord stations picks up the local sports talk show > >(was previously known as Friday Night Lights) from WSMN Nashua 1590. This > >has been going on since the beginning of the high school football season. > >The show has expanded and is on at least Friday nights (pre-empting > >Celtics) and much of Saturday morning. I'm pretty sure I've heard them on > >other week nights. > > "MT-Speaking On Sports"is on Mon-Thurs from 6-7pm...maybe it's back to 1 > hr. on Friday nights too now that high school football is done. I think > the Saturday show runs from 10-noon. WKXL in Concord also carries it. > > Hasn't WKBR totally ditched the country now for all talk? > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 21:23:36 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:23:55 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <037301c3c07c$ddd1d5a0$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <3FDCD4D8.29137.2249F89@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 1:22, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > Wasn't it written into the sales agreement with Simon Geller that the > station would stay Classical? It did stay classical. For about a dozen years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 21:23:37 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:24:00 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <1071300431.2BC1F958@w37.dngr.org> References: <000f01c3c147$01a90a00$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <3FDCD4D9.30967.224A218@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 23:27, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Early 70's I believe. > > Geller early 60's if not before. Geller was a real pain to the FCC and by > putting WRBB on 104.9 destroyed any chance of the station being a Boston > rimshotter. How did Geller get that license in the first place? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 21:23:37 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:24:04 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <200312121829.hBCIT7rf020690@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:09:51 EST." <002b01c3c0db$38d72320$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3FDCD4D9.20973.224A274@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 13:29, Shawn Mamros wrote: > What sort of teeth would any "Geller agreement" (if any such thing > actually existed) have? He's dead, right? Who would enforce it? His heirs. But, though Tanger did tell Geller that he intended to keep the classical format, and Geller said something to that effect on the air when he said he had sold the station, we don't know what the terms of the contract actually were. If there was an agreement to keep the station classical, there may have been some time limit, or some hedge language in case the format wasn't viable commercially. I believe I once heard that there are some such clauses in the terms of the trust that Ted Jones formed for WCRB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 21:23:37 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:24:13 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <002501c3c0de$2d9de0e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3FDCD4D9.2669.224A2D1@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 13:31, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > Add to that he didn't have any family, 'cept a brother, and I believe he > is long passed too. > > I would suppose his attorney, or the trustee...? Perhaps the brother had some children. But I don't know why anyone would want to enforce it unless there were some incentive -- such as the right to vacate the sale and get the station back. Or the right to some additional payment if the station changes format. Simon Geller may have cared about keeping classical music on 104.9, but that doesn't mean anyone else did, even if they do have the power to enforce the agreement. Unless there's a financial incentive, they may not care. And it isn't likely that a court would force a radio station to be ruled forever by the "dead hand of the past." Assuming such a contract clause existed (and I don't know that it did), it can't go on forever. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 21:23:37 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:24:20 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <000201c3c10f$de797d80$33434742@Sean> References: <002801c3c10a$043790d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <3FDCD4D9.11050.224A335@localhost> On 12 Dec 2003 at 19:27, Sean Smyth wrote: > I thought Simon Geller was selling merely because he couldn't afford to > battle the FCC anymore. (Well, I understand health concerns were also > involved in the mix.) It doesn't sound like he was dealing from a position > of strength therefore I doubt he really would have had the foresight to > put such a clause in the sale agreement. There was a story in the Globe just after WBOQ came on from its new site about how Tanger befriended Geller and gradually gained his confidence before Geller finally agreed to sell to him. I have an aircheck in which Geller, on the air, says he's sold to someone who intends to keep the classical format, and says he hopes they will actually do so. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psu.edu Sun Dec 14 21:57:40 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:57:45 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <3FDCD4D9.11050.224A335@localhost> Message-ID: <000201c3c2b7$351e7ca0$33434742@Sean> Counselor Ross writes: << There was a story in the Globe just after WBOQ came on from its new site about how Tanger befriended Geller and gradually gained his confidence before Geller finally agreed to sell to him. I have an aircheck in which Geller, on the air, says he's sold to someone who intends to keep the classical format, and says he hopes they will actually do so. >> I looked up some stuff in our school's Lexis-Nexis database (which has the Globe going back to '89, I believe). This great quote came from Geller in a May 26, 1989, article talking about how Tanger coaxed Geller, who relied on mostly donations to run the station, into selling. Geller said: << "That's why I wanted cash when I sold it," he said. "I may have a swelled head, but if I couldn't make a go of it, I doubted anyone else would, so I figured I'd better get cash right away." >> It was a neat overall article; the only thing is the Susan Bicklehaupt monster struck when referring to the old call letters as "WCVA-FM." From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 23:05:42 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sun Dec 14 23:14:17 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <000f01c3c147$01a90a00$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> <3FDCD4D9.30967.224A218@localhost> Message-ID: <024801c3c2c1$2ccfd300$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > How did Geller get that license in the first place? He applied for and was granted one of the open frequencies. I don't believe there were any challengers. JP From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 14 23:27:33 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 14 23:28:07 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold In-Reply-To: <024801c3c2c1$2ccfd300$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3FDCF1E5.5015.2961F39@localhost> On 14 Dec 2003 at 23:05, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > > > How did Geller get that license in the first place? > > He applied for and was granted one of the open frequencies. I don't > believe there were any challengers. So why did the FCC want to take it away? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 03:08:33 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Mon Dec 15 03:13:54 2003 Subject: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold References: <3FDCF1E5.5015.2961F39@localhost> Message-ID: <02c601c3c2e2$a75d1a80$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Joseph Pappalardo" Cc: "BRI" Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > On 14 Dec 2003 at 23:05, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > > > > > > How did Geller get that license in the first place? > > > > He applied for and was granted one of the open frequencies. I don't > > believe there were any challengers. > > So why did the FCC want to take it away? People challenged his license renewal....based on inferior programmin, community service, eratic schedule, technical quality, etc....Everything they could throw at him, they threw at him. These people/groups were better funded, etc. I think they were hoping to wear him down with lawyers and their bank account. Little did they know how stubborn (or resolved) he would be. Being a 'home grown' station (operated from his house), his little station started to become a valuable property. And since he didn't want to sell, people started to challenge his license at renewal time. JP From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 06:00:20 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Dec 15 06:05:06 2003 Subject: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c1f6$1eca5d00$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <20031215110020.73590.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> I occasionally catch him on WLOB across the bow-da in Maine... --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Lionel is broadcast on 1450 WKXL...and while not > Boston local, the fact is > his show is syndicated to some degree... > > -Paul Hopfgarten > East Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On > Behalf > Of tony schinella > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:33 PM > To: B-R-I > Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span > > > I watched almost the entire discussion and found a > lot of it interesting. > Scotto should have dressed up just a little bit. If > you wear only a shirt, > wear black, like Lionel did! > BTW, he was hilarious! I would listen to Lionel if > he was on the air in this > area but I think his show is only local. > I was glad to finally hear someone out Blanquita in > her place. She is > nothing but a organ-grinder for the RNC. > The only thing I didn't like was the surprisingly > pompous Michael Harrison > and his whole attitude. > I know it was his show and all, but does he have to > rub people's face in his > obnoxiousness? > Also, his diatribe at the end about talk radio being > a business and there > shouldn't be any fairness of viewpoints > was just too much for me to handle. His > self-righteous anger was so over the > top. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" > > To: "B-R-I" > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: WRKO-AM's Miller on C-Span > > > > THE one and only Laurence Glavin wrote, > > > > > If you're near a TV this afternoon, you can see > for yourself: > > > it's being rebroadcast on C-Span 1 from about > 3:00 pm to 5:00 pm > > > today (12/13). > > > > I saw the last hour this morning. > > What I found most amusing--besides "Lionel" (hey, > someone here in > > Boston HAS to pick his show up...he is a > panic!)--is C-Span's > > identification of Jim Horn's station as being > "WSBK-AM York" > > (PA): Hmmm...unless there has been an unannounced > CALL letter > > change (with permission given by Boston's > WSBK-TV's "UPN-38"), Jim > > Horn's station is still "WSBA-AM York"! P=) > > > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > > > ----- > > Wanted-Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html > > ---------- > > Digitology-The Grand Theory Of The Universe: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html > > > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per > Customer. ***** > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 15 08:34:26 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:34:46 2003 Subject: NPR observation Message-ID: <001701c3c310$2a29ee70$9f00a8c0@boneill> Am I the only one who thought that NPRs coverage of Hussein's capture sounded like a radio wake? Every time a correspondent had to speak to anything resembling something positive that US troops had done, or that the administration had done something right, you could almost hear the quivering lips flapping against the wind screen. I've been doing my best to ignore it, but it became too obvious. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 10:08:26 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:08:39 2003 Subject: NPR observation In-Reply-To: <001701c3c310$2a29ee70$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <20031215150826.1350.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill O'Neill wrote: > Am I the only one who thought that NPRs coverage of > Hussein's capture sounded > like a radio wake? Without getting too political here (but we're discussing radio news/commentary, so it's appropriate), it could be that they're liberal-leaning and visions of a Bush re-election are now dancing in their heads. Some conservative talk hosts (especially Laura Ingraham, who focuses on media bias often) mention how down and depressed some liberal-leaning TV commentators/newsreaders seem when we get GOOD news from Iraq, or good economic news, etc. Commentary is one thing, of course, and news another; while we expect viewpoints to be expressed in _commentary_, news coverage is expected to be objective. Or it used to be. It was noted on the CBC's coverage of the Saddam capture (re-broadcast on C-SPAN) that some Iraqi journalists were seen at the annoucement of the capture jumping up and shouting "Death to Saddam!" "They are just now getting used to the idea of a free press, and not quite aware that they need to be objective..." From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 10:20:10 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:46:44 2003 Subject: Bob MacNeil Message-ID: <20031215152010.54888.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, helping my GM look for an old friend. A Bob MacNeil who would have been involved with Northeastern University's radio station when they had the calls WNEU. He also would have been at WORC and, as far as the boss knows, last at KYNG, Dallas about a year ago. Anyone have an email address for this person? ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 15 12:06:58 2003 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (madprof) Date: Mon Dec 15 12:06:47 2003 Subject: to Cooper Fox, re Northeastern WNEU References: <20031215152010.54888.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801c3c32d$da2e06e0$9afce341@p133> sorry, I can't help on Bob MacNeil. Please, can you tell me when Northeastern call was WNEU? And, was it carrier-current or on-the-air? Thank You -Madprof ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Bob MacNeil > Hi All, > helping my GM look for an old friend. A Bob > MacNeil who would have been involved with Northeastern > University's radio station when they had the calls > WNEU. He also would have been at WORC and, as far as > the boss knows, last at KYNG, Dallas about a year ago. > Anyone have an email address for this person? > > > ===== > Magic 104 > North Conway, NH > V: (603)356-8870 > F: (603)356-8875 > Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com > Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 12:42:59 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:11:44 2003 Subject: to Cooper Fox, re Northeastern WNEU In-Reply-To: <006801c3c32d$da2e06e0$9afce341@p133> Message-ID: <20031215174259.63977.qmail@web20730.mail.yahoo.com> Not sure when the switch was made on the calls, but I do know that those calls were used on the carrier current station from 1962. --- madprof wrote: > sorry, I can't help on Bob MacNeil. > > Please, can you tell me when Northeastern call was > WNEU? > And, was it carrier-current or on-the-air? > > Thank You > -Madprof > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cooper Fox" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:20 AM > Subject: Bob MacNeil > > > > Hi All, > > helping my GM look for an old friend. A Bob > > MacNeil who would have been involved with > Northeastern > > University's radio station when they had the calls > > WNEU. He also would have been at WORC and, as far > as > > the boss knows, last at KYNG, Dallas about a year > ago. > > Anyone have an email address for this person? > > > > > > ===== > > Magic 104 > > North Conway, NH > > V: (603)356-8870 > > F: (603)356-8875 > > Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com > > Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > > ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Dec 15 14:03:04 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon Dec 15 14:03:28 2003 Subject: to Cooper Fox, re Northeastern WNEU In-Reply-To: <006801c3c32d$da2e06e0$9afce341@p133> References: <20031215152010.54888.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031215140143.02256a00@pop.registeredsite.com> At 12:06 PM 12/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >sorry, I can't help on Bob MacNeil. > >Please, can you tell me when Northeastern call was WNEU? >And, was it carrier-current or on-the-air? It was carrier current for as long as I remember it-- I went on the air there in 1968. In August of 1970, we changed over to a low power FM and changed calls to WRBB. (Station WNEU first went on the air in 1961, I believe.) From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:48:33 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon Dec 15 15:25:52 2003 Subject: to Cooper Fox, re Northeastern WNEU In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031215140143.02256a00@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <20031215194833.32700.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> > It was carrier current for as long as I remember > it-- I went on the air > there in 1968. In August of 1970, we changed over > to a low power FM and > changed calls to WRBB. (Station WNEU first went on > the air in 1961, I > believe.) >From what Ron Frizzel says, it was 1962. ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:41:05 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 15 15:42:20 2003 Subject: to Cooper Fox, re Northeastern WNEU In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031215140143.02256a00@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <20031215152010.54888.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20031215140143.02256a00@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1071520927.19355615@r31.dngr.org> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 2:12pm, Donna Halper wrote: > At 12:06 PM 12/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> sorry, I can't help on Bob MacNeil. >> >> Please, can you tell me when Northeastern call was WNEU? >> And, was it carrier-current or on-the-air? > > It was carrier current for as long as I remember it-- I went on the air > there in 1968. In August of 1970, we changed over to a low power FM > and changed calls to WRBB. (Station WNEU first went on the air in > 1961, I believe.) From petef@sprynet.com Mon Dec 15 16:24:12 2003 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Mon Dec 15 16:24:21 2003 Subject: NPR observation In-Reply-To: <001701c3c310$2a29ee70$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <000001c3c351$c9c2a5d0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> n Monday, December 15, 2003 8:34 AM Bill O'Neill writes: > Am I the only one who thought that NPRs coverage of Hussein's > capture sounded like a radio wake? Every time a correspondent > had to speak to anything resembling something positive that > US troops had done, or that the administration had done > something right, you could almost hear the quivering lips Everyone, even NPR types, is insecure in this business. The are just anxious about the imprisonment of a potential future employer... -Pete Enfield, NH From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 15 18:58:50 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 15 18:59:01 2003 Subject: NPR observation In-Reply-To: <000001c3c351$c9c2a5d0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Message-ID: <000d01c3c367$63baa510$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Everyone, even NPR types, is insecure in this business. The are just > anxious about the imprisonment of a potential future employer... > > > -Pete > Enfield, NH You sure you don't moonlite as a profiler for the Bureau? Great catch. In a similar vein, makes one wonder about what responsible parent would just stand by and let their kid spout off, "When I grow up I'm going to be a radio boss. It will be wicked neat. Dad, does it feel good when you fire someone? Mom, how does it feel when you pull a beloved single from rotation? When you add a sleeper to "A" even though it blows dead &$%@?? Daddy, can a radio boss walk into the studio even if the ON AIR light is lit? Please? May I threaten automation at the Christmas party? Is it okay if I tell them your theory on women in morning drive? Please???" Bill O'Neill Back hurts. Snow count: 28" Shoreham, Vuhmaant From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 15 19:03:41 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 15 19:03:42 2003 Subject: Storm hype? Message-ID: <000e01c3c368$114c1600$9f00a8c0@boneill> Must admit, here in the Champlain Valley, we experienced TWO top ten storms in less than a week and nary a hype-alert on any radio or TV station. WPTZ (5) held the prize last night at eleven and this morning at 5 with their full boat of meteorologist hanging out on roofs, lots, decks and astride maps. WCAX (3) has a venerable one hour local cast at 6 (I hear one of the last in America) and did a good clean-up job on the storm, evenhandedly. I notice that WCAX is letting whomever is talking toss to spots versus that annoying toss to host to spot and back to host to specialist. Must easier to watch. Even with the absence of an ABC local news affil since Channel 22 tossed in the towel, I think there's good coverage here. (Although Homer Simson could be animated as such, on 22, to report the latest ski conditions.) Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Dec 15 19:27:25 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Dec 15 19:27:30 2003 Subject: Storm hype? References: <000e01c3c368$114c1600$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <002801c3c36b$6155b630$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> The first storm in Maine last weekend certainly got plenty of hype, and it lived up to the hype. This storm was under-hyped. I think this was partially due to the big news out of Iraq yesterday, but was also due to bad forecasting. Where I live, we got more snow than predicted and the storm lasted a lot longer than predicted. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 15 20:38:58 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:38:59 2003 Subject: Storm hype? In-Reply-To: <002801c3c36b$6155b630$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <001101c3c375$6106c750$9f00a8c0@boneill> > The first storm in Maine last weekend certainly got plenty of > hype, and it > lived up to the hype. > > This storm was under-hyped. I think this was partially due > to the big news > out of Iraq yesterday, but was also due to bad forecasting. > Where I live, > we got more snow than predicted and the storm lasted a lot longer than > predicted. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine Must admit, it was concern here, too. Last year, I became an EMT. Our little town is served by a volunteer squad. Depending on the incident location, most of us respond directly from home. That means we all need to keep snow clear throughout the storm, just in case. I was given the impression that most of the snow would begin to mellow out after midnight last night. It didn't. Had I known, I'd have awoken around 2 or 3 to clear the driveway. Now, there's reports of mainly rain Wednesday, turning to snow Thursday and then lingering through to Saturday. Who knows what that will really mean. I think this whole wx pattern has caught weather folks off guard. Radio weather is not what it used to be. I miss Don Kent! His interplay with deSuze was truly memorable, as well as deSuze's temperature "down by the baan, neighbors." If this wx keeps up, it will reak havoc on snow removal budgets. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 15 20:44:19 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:44:20 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve Message-ID: <001201c3c376$1fc77b30$9f00a8c0@boneill> Call it a perennial pet peeve, or, at least an annual. Snow cancellations. When will stations get the fact that on snow days (not the wimpy one, but the real deal) that no school announcements need to be the lead news story? Not some service that is tucked in after the standard clock runs through the standard elements and then delete first segment for cancellations. Especially if you are a local signal that may be blasting with extra listeners on such a morning, you want to give it out early in the clock and stay with it. That is in opposition to the theory that "new" snow listeners should be able to catch a piece of what they're missing rather than blow up the usual fare for something completely different. Make 'em wait and they either go someplace else, or they stick around and get annoyed, reinforcing why they don't miss you to begin with. Just my .02 FWIW. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 15 21:35:48 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:35:53 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: <001201c3c376$1fc77b30$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <001201c3c376$1fc77b30$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: At 8:44 PM -0500 12/15/03, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Call it a perennial pet peeve, or, at least an annual. Snow cancellations. >When will stations get the fact that on snow days (not the wimpy one, but the >real deal) that no school announcements need to be the lead news story? And what will happen to all the viewers/listeners who do not have school age kids? This way, those with kids are kept watching/listening to the end, while the rest of the audience is not boored to clickerdom at the beginning. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 15 21:37:56 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:36:51 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: <001201c3c376$1fc77b30$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213559.00a2ad30@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: >Call it a perennial pet peeve, or, at least an annual. Snow cancellations. >When will stations get the fact that on snow days (not the wimpy one, but the >real deal) that no school announcements need to be the lead news story? Not >some service that is tucked in after the standard clock runs through the >standard elements and then delete first segment for cancellations. OTOH, those of us without school age children just find ns announcements to be clutter to sit thru while waiting for "real" news. From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 15 21:43:01 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:41:54 2003 Subject: Storm hype? In-Reply-To: <001101c3c375$6106c750$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <002801c3c36b$6155b630$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213844.00a2d780@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > I miss Don Kent! His interplay with deSuze was truly memorable, as >well as deSuze's temperature "down by the baan, neighbors." Carl always used to intro him as "sliding down the arometer head". >If this wx keeps up, it will reak havoc on snow removal budgets. I always get a good guffaw at this. Nearly every year by the first week of January you're hearing news stories about one city or another having already used up their snow removal budget for the year. Hey, this is New England. It snows. Just because we had some rather wimpy winters in the mid-90s doesn't mean that it's suddenly North Carolina. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Dec 15 21:57:06 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:57:09 2003 Subject: Storm hype? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213844.00a2d780@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <002801c3c36b$6155b630$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <001101c3c375$6106c750$9f00a8c0@boneill> <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213844.00a2d780@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312160257.hBG2v6ke091051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Hey, this is New England. It snows. Just because we had some > rather wimpy winters in the mid-90s doesn't mean that it's suddenly > North Carolina. WBZ is currently running a Paul Sullivan promo around that very matter. (One of the few Paul Sullivan pieces that has amused me. For that matter, one of the very few WBZ local production elements of any kind that has amused me. I *hate* most of their locally-produced spots, of which the worst would have to be "McKinnon's Meat Market" and "Ferrell SAFETY Volvo SAFETY"; there's another one that really annoys me, but I can't think of it at the moment. Seems to me that 'BZ's production has gone down hill since I first moved here.) -GAWollman From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 15 22:03:22 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:58:12 2003 Subject: Radio question for the proposed Red Sox-AlexRodrigueztrade !!!!! Message-ID: <200312152203.AA3118530588@mail.ttlc.net> "Sean Smyth" wrote: >there's no logical candidates for it, signal-wise, unless Infinity is >thinking of killing off WZLX or WODS. Let's be realistic for a moment, here. The word "Oldies" and all it entails are passe. Old folks like me are invisible to radio. Let's turn radio programming over to those to whom it rightly belongs: Accountants. Just evaluate the potential audience, calculate what you can sell and turn the format knob to "optimize revenue/cost" mode. After all, we all know that news has become entertainment (no cred) and radio has lost its ability to have fun. Unless you're an accountant. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 15 22:32:23 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 15 22:27:12 2003 Subject: Storm hype? Message-ID: <200312152232.AA2527264902@mail.ttlc.net> Garrett Wollman opined: >I *hate* most of their locally-produced spots, of which the worst >would have to be "McKinnon's Meat Market" and "Ferrell SAFETY Volvo >SAFETY"; there's another one that really annoys me, but I can't think >of it at the moment. Seems to me that 'BZ's production has gone down >hill since I first moved here. How about the two women (or one double tracked woman) yattering about Subaru Of New England All-Wheel Drive with cash back PLUS factory-to-dealer incentives PLUS, etc, PLUS... It has flat pacing, no build, no crescendo, just drone. They did a spot for two guys (last name: Bump) who said (in unison) "We're The Bumps" - every other sentence. Sounded cute until about the 13th time they said it. The run lasted about two days. Mercifully, it was killed. How about the contractor who tells us he's the developer of "Juniper Hell" - I know it's Juniper Hill, but the first time he says it, you could swear it's "hell". From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Dec 15 23:55:52 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Dec 15 23:58:26 2003 Subject: Storm hype? In-Reply-To: <200312152232.AA2527264902@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200312152232.AA2527264902@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <200312160455.hBG4tpIC091728@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > How about the two women (or one double tracked woman) yattering > about Subaru Of New England All-Wheel Drive with cash back PLUS > factory-to-dealer incentives PLUS, etc, PLUS... It has flat pacing, > no build, no crescendo, just drone. The other one that was driving me up the wall (and it's a form that WBZ seems to have sold to several advertisers) is the one for Post Road Carpet in Acton, where the announcer keeps on reciting parts of the company's address, interspersed with description of the products to be found there, and the last line runs something like "Now where is Post Road Carpet?" -GAWollman From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Dec 16 05:21:45 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 05:21:55 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) Message-ID: Regarding WBZ's production, Garrett wrote: >> WBZ is currently running a Paul Sullivan promo around that very matter. (One of the few Paul Sullivan pieces that has amused me. For that matter, one of the very few WBZ local production elements of any kind that has amused me. I *hate* most of their locally-produced spots, of which the worst would have to be "McKinnon's Meat Market" and "Ferrell SAFETY Volvo SAFETY"; there's another one that really annoys me, but I can't think of it at the moment. Seems to me that 'BZ's production has gone down hill since I first moved here.)<< and additionally posted: >>The other one that was driving me up the wall (and it's a form that WBZ seems to have sold to several advertisers) is the one for Post Road Carpet in Acton, where the announcer keeps on reciting parts of the company's address, interspersed with description of the products to be found there, and the last line runs something like "Now where is Post Road Carpet?"<< Seems to me that the production is effective as the message has been received. i'm surprised that you *don't* like the local WBZ production; i happen to think much of it is brilliant. yes, the repetitive drop-in reference is one of *HIS* (i don't know the name of the 'BZ production guru, but i'd buy him a beer if given the chance) favorite tools, and at times, when through spot scheduling a couple of them fall in back-to-back it's like playing the same song twice in a row. that said, his promos and especially is Lincoln Park spots are absolutely brilliant production. - -Chuck Igo From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 16 07:35:03 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 16 07:35:08 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3c3d1$085adea0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > And what will happen to all the viewers/listeners who do not have > school age kids? This way, those with kids are kept > watching/listening to the end, while the rest of the audience is not > boored to clickerdom at the beginning. > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH Good question, but, I have to wonder if I am alone in noting the uptick in energy or excitement value that a storm (and its potential radio ecoutrements <$2 word>) can bring to the base. Certainly, a rambling rundown in school closings and delays can be a turn-off, but if it's done concisely and with a target time-frame on the clock (not a constant drop-in) it can accentuate the morning. For those forging off to work, with the primary result to make plow drivers' jobs worse, then a reminder that some people get to stay home can be, well, stinky <50 cent word to balance the $2 word.> Bill O'Neill From news@southstation.org Tue Dec 16 07:56:43 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Tue Dec 16 07:56:52 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: <000201c3c3d1$085adea0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:35 AM > To: 'Larry Weil'; 'Boston Radio Interest (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: File under: Pet Peeve > > Good question, but, I have to wonder if I am alone in noting the uptick in > energy or excitement value that a storm (and its potential radio > ecoutrements (<$2 word>) can bring to the base. Certainly, a rambling > rundown in school closings and delays can be a turn-off, but if it's > done concisely and with a target time-frame on the clock (not a > constant drop-in) it can accentuate the morning. For those forging > off to work, with the primary result to make plow drivers' jobs worse, > then a reminder that some people get to stay home can be, well, > stinky <50 cent word to balance the $2 word.> > > Bill O'Neill > A light bulb went off when I read this, Bill! We'll charge for the no-school announcement! Yes, $2 (sounds good) a pop, with all the money going toward the snow removal budgets! For the delivery mechanism, well, we will have to work on that.... (sound of balloon deflating.) -Larry Lovering (who doesn't see many snow days in rainy Rhode Island) From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 15 22:22:21 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:27:47 2003 Subject: WBZ production (was RE: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: <200312160257.hBG2v6ke091051@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213844.00a2d780@pop3.bit-net.com> <002801c3c36b$6155b630$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <001101c3c375$6106c750$9f00a8c0@boneill> <5.1.0.14.0.20031215213844.00a2d780@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031215221535.00a69210@pop3.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I *hate* most of their locally-produced >spots, of which the worst would have to be "McKinnon's Meat Market" and >"Ferrell SAFETY Volvo SAFETY"; there's another one that really annoys >me, but I can't think of it at the moment. Seems to me that 'BZ's >production has gone down hill since I first moved here.) I actually kind of like those McKinnon's Meat Market ones, but you're right, WBZ does have a lot of really annoying ads. One that especially grates on me is for one of those "donate your old car to charity" outfits where some guy is whistling all the way thru it. Another (and I couldn't tell you even what product this one is for, much less the advertiser) has someone chanting "dun, dun, dun, dun..." all the way thru it. Then there are the Suburu of New England spots, but I think they're agency. The Epson printer ones are pretty annoying too. Almost makes you want to go out and buy an HP. :-/ From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 16 08:27:42 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:27:52 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216081138.00a4acd0@pop3.bit-net.com> Regarding WBZ's production, Roger Kirk wrote: >>How about the two women (or one double tracked woman) yattering about >>Subaru Of New England All-Wheel Drive with cash back PLUS >>factory-to-dealer incentives PLUS, etc, PLUS... It has flat pacing, no >>build, no crescendo, just drone. Don't forget many mentions of their "classic styling" (???) and "wheels that slip to the wheels that grip". Who writes this stuff? You'd think they'd have someone who could write somewhat more compelling copy. Speaking of that, who's the woman with the nasal voice who seems to do many of the furniture store/home center spots on 'BZ? Boston Interiors is one ("my friend bought her beautiful furniture at BI, you gotta check this place out..."), another is the carpet store ad where she's complaining about having to walk past the chain saws and plumbing supplies to get to the carpeting (don't think it's the same store). Granted, the copy on many of these is rather weak, but her read seems to have all the inflections in the wrong places. Chuck Igo added: >Seems to me that the production is effective as the message has been >received. i'm surprised that you *don't* like the local WBZ production; i >happen to think much of it is brilliant. yes, the repetitive drop-in >reference is one of *HIS* (i don't know the name of the 'BZ production >guru, but i'd buy him a beer if given the chance) favorite tools, and at >times, when through spot scheduling a couple of them fall in back-to-back >it's like playing the same song twice in a row. that said, his promos and >especially is Lincoln Park spots are absolutely brilliant production. Speaking of production clich?s, is anyone as tired as I am with the fad of the past few years on music stations for sweepers where every one seems to be :15 or longer with movie clips, pseudo-listener testimonials, etc.? It started with CHR, but now seems to have spread to most other music formats. It just sounds so cluttered with positioning statement, audio clip, another positioning statement, another clip, handle. >- - From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 16 08:36:48 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:35:43 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: <000201c3c3d1$085adea0$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216083133.00a21210@pop3.bit-net.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: >I have to wonder if I am alone in noting the uptick in >energy or excitement value that a storm (and its potential radio ecoutrements ><$2 word>) can bring to the base. Certainly, a rambling rundown in school >closings and delays can be a turn-off, but if it's done concisely and with a >target time-frame on the clock (not a constant drop-in) it can accentuate the >morning. I've gotta say that stations seem to be trying to streamline these announcements somewhat. Except in the smallest markets you're not hearing all those "Jazzercize at the YMCA is cancelled, Cindy's Hallmark shop is closing at 3pm...", etc. as much as you once did. From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 16 10:36:30 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:36:32 2003 Subject: File under: Pet Peeve In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c3c3ea$611a8f40$9f00a8c0@boneill> > A light bulb went off when I read this, Bill! We'll charge for the > no-school announcement! Yes, $2 (sounds good) a pop, with > all the money > going toward the snow removal budgets! For the delivery > mechanism, well, we > will have to work on that.... (sound of balloon deflating.) > > -Larry Lovering > (who doesn't see many snow days in rainy Rhode Island) Paid cancellations isn't a stretch, but local communities would likely just go with the freebee stations. As for the commercial cancellations, a great way to get a sponsor on board: get them to "register" with the station in the fall. Capture all the nifty identifiers of the client that you would not otherwise grab on a sales call. Leverage. Good will. Partnerships. Etc. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 16 10:39:09 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:39:09 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216081138.00a4acd0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000201c3c3ea$bfa8cc20$9f00a8c0@boneill> Steve writes: > Speaking of production clich?s, is anyone as tired as I am > with the fad of > the past few years on music stations for sweepers where every > one seems to > be :15 or longer with movie clips, pseudo-listener > testimonials, etc.? It > started with CHR, but now seems to have spread to most other music > formats. It just sounds so cluttered with positioning > statement, audio > clip, another positioning statement, another clip, handle. I get the impression that it is getting very passe, pase, pa... Old. So, there's digital editing that explodes onto the desks of even the more austere operations. Now, what do we do with it. Sort of what 70s rockers did with harmonizers. I can't wait for the next big thing: live jocks. Nah. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 16 10:56:13 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:51:03 2003 Subject: WBZ production (was RE: Storm hype?) Message-ID: <200312161056.AA3188195568@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz noted: >Another (and I couldn't tell you even what product this one is for, >much less the advertiser) has someone chanting "dun, dun, dun, dun..." >all the way thru it. Nextel (How Business Gets DUN) From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 16 11:19:07 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 16 11:19:12 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200312161619.hBGGJ7tw094885@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < Seems to me that the production is effective as the message has been > received. In this case, the message received is somewhere between ``the advertiser is an obnoxious twit'' and ``the advertiser has no taste whatsoever''. Certainly doesn't make me all that inclined to go to Post Road Carpet when I could go to Able Rug instead. > drop-in reference is one of *HIS* (i don't know the name of the 'BZ > production guru, but i'd buy him a beer if given the chance) If it's still the same guy as I remember being told about, that would be Mike Coleman. I know Peter Casey reads this list from time to time, perhaps he can put a word in for his production director. -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 16 12:38:53 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 16 12:38:38 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: <200312161619.hBGGJ7tw094885@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200312161619.hBGGJ7tw094885@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <49261.216.204.15.170.1071596333.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote... > > In this case, the message received is somewhere between ``the > advertiser is an obnoxious twit'' and ``the advertiser has no taste > whatsoever''. Certainly doesn't make me all that inclined to go to Post > Road Carpet when I could go to Able Rug instead. I've often wondered about the effectiveness of really annoying ads. Yes, they get your attention, but do they sell product, or do they send potential customers to your competition for the exact reasons you mentioned? It would seem to me that if you're going to use ads like this, you would want/need to keep the ads -very- fresh, not let the same one run for months at a time. Even if they were convenient, I'd think twice about patronizing Nina's Lighting just because their ads are so grating...you can barely understand what the guy says, his accent is so thick! Hey, just because Frank Perdue and Lee Iacocca used to voice their own ads doesn't mean every business has to. I'm surprised that WBZ allows so many clients to do their own ads...it just sounds so small market. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Dec 16 13:35:31 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:36:00 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031216133433.025b3bd0@pop.registeredsite.com> The WBZ production wiz is Michael Coleman, and I think doing production is one of the more difficult jobs-- clients always give you 90 seconds of copy for a 30 second spot and seldom like anything you do... From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 16 16:36:35 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:31:26 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) Message-ID: <200312161636.AA3494510700@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz noted: >Speaking of that, who's the woman with the nasal voice who seems to do >many of the furniture store/home center spots on 'BZ? Boston >Interiors is one ("my friend bought her beautiful furniture at BI, you >gotta check this place out..."), another is the carpet store ad where >she's complaining about having to walk past the chain saws and >plumbing supplies to get to the carpeting (don't think it's the same >store). The "past the chain saws, etc." store is Able Rug - where our esteemed moderator would rather go. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 16 16:45:07 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 16 16:39:57 2003 Subject: WBZ Production (Was: Storm hype?) Message-ID: <200312161645.AA3535077692@mail.ttlc.net> SteveOrdinetz asked: >Speaking of production clich?s, is anyone as tired as I am with the >fad of the past few years on music stations for sweepers where every >one seems to be :15 or longer with movie clips, pseudo-listener >testimonials, etc.? It started with CHR, but now seems to have >spread to most other music formats. It just sounds so cluttered with >positioning statement, audio clip, another positioning statement, >another clip, handle. Last Saturday, I heard a promo ending with "94.9 FM, WHOM" followed by another promo starting with 94.9FM, WHOM and three other mentions of 94.9, WHOM" all in 15 seconds. They (the omniescent "they") say "you can never say your station ID too often." Doesn't it sound awkward and rather stupid to say it back-to-back? I know when I worked at WRKO, the jocks were instructed to THINK AHEAD, so that kind of stuff would NEVER HAPPEN. e.g. with 90 minute min rotation on all songs, if there was a "#1 then, #1 now" coming up in the next 90 minutes, DON'T play the #1 song. To quote a Bruds show bumper "Am I mistaken, or did the word 'THINK' escape your lips?" From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 16 17:10:45 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 16 17:11:07 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: WKBR-AM 1250 Channels WSMN-AM 1590 Message-ID: >DATE: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:45:09 >From: wftn@comcast.net >To: SteveOrdinetz >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Steve, > I believe they were carrying country oldies in the >morning drive after their broadcast of IMUS was >dropped/lost? . I'll check them out. Now the Friday >night lights is focusing on Basketball. >Gary Ford >WFTN-FM I believe WKBR-AM is airing Doug Stephan's morning show; I say "believe" because I heard it on the 1250 dial position, but it was before sunrise, so it could have been another 1250. The signal was steady, while faraway AM's tend to fade in and out. Laurence Glavin (reminding you that EVERYONE is one-and-only) ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Tue Dec 16 17:42:11 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Tue Dec 16 17:36:58 2003 Subject: Whatta Deal! Message-ID: <200312161742.AA3840278648@mail.ttlc.net> Just perused WHOM's Web Site. The home page is just so cluttered with banner ads for advertisiers, concerts, promos, etc. But the most interesting page of all has to be the one offering people like you and me the exciting opportunity to work in radio for free. That's right - non-paying positions that give you the feeling of what it's really like to work in radio. Oh sure, there may be perks like concert/event tickets and CDs, but there's no pay. From dwcole@comcast.net Tue Dec 16 18:41:19 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan Cole) Date: Tue Dec 16 18:41:34 2003 Subject: Station goes up in flames Message-ID: <000501c3c42e$1b63c950$61f29318@HP310n> It's a low power FM that a Dover, NH outfit is trying to put on the air. IMHO, no big loss. The link below takes you to the story..in which the part about the station is buried deep within. Dan C. http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/December2003/December_16/News/mn_e1216a.asp From beckwith@ime.net Tue Dec 16 19:38:55 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Tue Dec 16 19:39:00 2003 Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group Message-ID: <00ce01c3c436$2e1d5c20$b221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> The aggressive Princeton, NJ- based broadcaster goes from no stations to ten stations in Maine in less than two weeks. Developing... From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 16 21:24:05 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 16 21:24:11 2003 Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group References: <00ce01c3c436$2e1d5c20$b221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <000601c3c444$d849a0b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Beckwith" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group > The aggressive Princeton, NJ- based broadcaster goes from no stations to ten > stations in Maine in less than two weeks. Developing... Wow. Just radio or TV too? These deals could actually result in a third competitive group in the Portland market. Saga and Citadel have had it too easy for too long, IMHO. Can anyone shed any light on how this group operates their stations? Above or below average when it comes to programming? -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From ssmyth@psu.edu Tue Dec 16 22:04:55 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue Dec 16 22:05:05 2003 Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group In-Reply-To: <000601c3c444$d849a0b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000101c3c44a$9042d970$33434742@Sean> Dan Billings writes: << Can anyone shed any light on how this group operates their stations? Above or below average when it comes to programming? >> >From what I've seen, Nassau plays it very safe with its properties. What that means, with them buying a group that's always lagged behind the rest in the market, I couldn't tell ya. From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 16 22:39:48 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Dec 16 22:34:29 2003 Subject: Nassau and Maine Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216223850.02497d48@gwind.pair.com> Hearing that Nassau is adding the WMTW radio stations (WMTW 870, WMTW-FM 106.7, WLAM 1470) to the Maine group it's buying from Mariner (the four W-Bachs, WQEZ, WBYA). Bet they don't stop there, either... s From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 16 22:41:47 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 16 22:41:51 2003 Subject: Nassau and Maine References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216223850.02497d48@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <001201c3c44f$b2dc5330$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I assume that they would be buying the whole group, including 107.5 WTHT and 99.9 Auburn, whose call letters now escape me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Nassau and Maine > Hearing that Nassau is adding the WMTW radio stations (WMTW 870, WMTW-FM > 106.7, WLAM 1470) to the Maine group it's buying from Mariner (the four > W-Bachs, WQEZ, WBYA). Bet they don't stop there, either... > > s > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 16 23:01:58 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue Dec 16 22:56:39 2003 Subject: Nassau and Maine In-Reply-To: <001201c3c44f$b2dc5330$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216223850.02497d48@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216230134.0249d100@gwind.pair.com> At 10:41 PM 12/16/2003 -0500, Dan Billings wrote: >I assume that they would be buying the whole group, including 107.5 WTHT and >99.9 Auburn, whose call letters now escape me. Them too, yes - temporary brain freeze made me completely forget about those being part of the WMTW group! s From mixer@zoso.net Wed Dec 17 06:42:34 2003 From: mixer@zoso.net (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Wed Dec 17 06:38:51 2003 Subject: Nassau and Maine In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216223850.02497d48@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031216223850.02497d48@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Scott Fybush wrote: > Hearing that Nassau is adding the WMTW radio stations (WMTW 870, WMTW-FM > 106.7, WLAM 1470) to the Maine group it's buying from Mariner (the four > W-Bachs, WQEZ, WBYA). Bet they don't stop there, either... What about WMTW-TV?Is that changing hands too, or just the radio stations? Jeremy From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Wed Dec 17 10:13:13 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed Dec 17 10:13:50 2003 Subject: 105.7-WROR Testing IBOC Message-ID: <3FE07289.FACF0E48@Programmer.Net> Well, at about 210am Tuesday morning, the Pru's 92.9, 96.9 and 105.7 stations either dropped to mildly reduced power or shifted to aux. xmitr(s)--100.7, 104.1, 106.7 and 107.9 remained at full power--(96.9, at least, momentarily clicked off-air once or twice a couple of times) before returning to full power by 5am. I didn't notice anything when I gave my mid-afternoon retirement bandscan, BUT, when I did my evening wake-up bandscan, I noticed a slight, high pitched buzz around 105.7 (about 105.4 to 106.0) that sounds like the buzz 93.7-WQSX had when they were testing IBOC! When I got in to work at South Station, I checked and, at first I couldn't hear it, but when I checked again a couple of minutes later, the slight, high pitched buzz was still there: The important thing to note is that--as 105.7 contributes to the Pru overload/"image wasteland" downtown--the buzz seemed to remain confined to about 105.3-106.1 (i.e., no overload imaging on other frequencies) and no stronger than noted on the North Shore; in fact, 105.7 actually seemed to be slightly less "image-prone" than usual! Hence, unless they are at very slightly reduced power and/or IBOC isn't fully on, FM IBOC may not be as bad as feared, in terms of additional band clutter/interference (especially within the xmtr overload zone)! ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From earthradio@getgoin.net Wed Dec 17 10:24:39 2003 From: earthradio@getgoin.net (Luke) Date: Wed Dec 17 10:24:47 2003 Subject: Station goes up in flames In-Reply-To: <000501c3c42e$1b63c950$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: on 12/16/03 5:41 PM, Dan Cole at dwcole@comcast.net wrote: > It's a low power FM that a Dover, NH outfit is trying to put on the air. > IMHO, no big loss. It's a loss to those who put time and money into getting this license. Luke From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 17 13:53:40 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 17 13:53:21 2003 Subject: Station goes up in flames In-Reply-To: References: <000501c3c42e$1b63c950$61f29318@HP310n> Message-ID: <60410.216.204.15.170.1071687220.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Luke wrote: > >> It's a low power FM that a Dover, NH outfit is trying to put on the >> air. IMHO, no big loss. > > It's a loss to those who put time and money into getting this license. While I'm not convinced of the value of LPFM, it was probably a -bigger- loss, relatively speaking than it would be for a commercial station. Theoretically, at least these LPFMs are owned by community groups whose members probably had to pony up personal $ to get up and on the air. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:39:40 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Wed Dec 17 14:39:53 2003 Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group In-Reply-To: <000601c3c444$d849a0b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031217193940.59417.qmail@web12826.mail.yahoo.com> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:24:05 -0500 Dan Billings wrote: > Can anyone shed any light on how this group operates > their stations? Above > or below average when it comes to programming? > This is totally from an outsider's point of view, but IMHO they own one of the best sounding CHR stations in the northeast in Trenton, NJ (WPST). If that station is any indication of how the rest of their stations sound, I would think their programming quality is pretty good. From the sounds of it, they are going to be a HUGE improvement for the WMTW Broadcast group once they take over. Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From lglavin@lycos.com Wed Dec 17 17:24:29 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed Dec 17 17:24:57 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames Message-ID: >DATE: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:53:40 >From: "SteveOrdinetz" >To: >Luke wrote: > >> It's a low power FM that a Dover, NH outfit is trying to put on the >> air. IMHO, no big loss. > > It's a loss to those who put time and money into getting this license. (Reuters, Rome, Italy) The Vatican today expressed great sympathy for the LPFM in Dover, NH that burned to the ground without insurance, and criticized those who made flippant remarks about this devastating tragedy. "Even LPFM's deserve some dignity, even if they are so dumb as to buy expensive electronic equipment and then fail to get replacement cost insurance. We own what the world regards as irreplaceable art works, but by the good fortune of being in Italy, a gentleman named Guido has assured us no harm will come to these works!" ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 17 21:17:57 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Dec 17 21:18:01 2003 Subject: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group References: <20031217193940.59417.qmail@web12826.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c3c50d$26f47eb0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Dan Billings" ; Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Nassau buys WMTW Broadcast Group > From the sounds of it, they > are going to be a HUGE improvement for the WMTW > Broadcast group once they take over. That would be true of almost any new owners. ;-) The other good thing is that Clear Channel did not get into the market by buying the WMTW stations. From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 17 22:05:08 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Dec 17 22:05:11 2003 Subject: City seeks to ensure towers are safe Message-ID: <002101c3c513$be2d0da0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> A new job for Scott Fybush: City Tower Inspector! http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/031217tower.shtml From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 23:40:47 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed Dec 17 23:41:05 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031218044047.16401.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Foster's have an article about the aftermath of the fire http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/December2003/December_17/News/mn_e1217a.asp John East Derry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 00:12:34 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu Dec 18 00:12:42 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <51612.216.204.15.170.1071180784.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031218051234.5607.qmail@web12826.mail.yahoo.com> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:13:04 -0500 SteveOrdinetz wrote: > My favorites of all the countdown shows were the one > hosted by Scott > Shannon (forget what it was called), Rockin' America Top 30 Countdown, with Scott Shannon and Mr. Leonard. Delivered by the Westwood One Radio Network. Used to be carried on WFLY (92.3 FM Troy, NY) when I was little. I seem to recall they stopped carrying the show shortly after Casey's Top 40 started (they ran both of them for a while, in addition to Shadoe Stevens' AT40 on Saturday mornings) Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From hmglaz@webtv.net Thu Dec 18 11:02:44 2003 From: hmglaz@webtv.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Thu Dec 18 11:03:04 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM Message-ID: <21749-3FE1CFA4-1519@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> This morning at 10:43, WDRC-FM Hartford (102.9) was playing Andy Williams' "Happy Holiday" when it was interrupted for about 10 seconds by a promo, in progress, from KC-101 (WKCI Hamden, 101.3). The promo then cut out and the Williams song resumed. I've heard of audio from one station getting onto another's frequency before, but, except for the (I think) 1510 incident where some maintenance worker accidentally switched to WAAF (again, I think), I always though these incidents always happened when the wrong feed went to the transmitter from a group of stations under common ownership using the same facilities. But DRC and KCI have separate ownership and transmitter sites! How did this happen? Howard From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 18 12:14:05 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:14:12 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM In-Reply-To: <21749-3FE1CFA4-1519@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> References: <21749-3FE1CFA4-1519@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: At 11:02 AM -0500 12/18/03, Howard Glazer wrote: >This morning at 10:43, WDRC-FM Hartford (102.9) was playing Andy >Williams' "Happy Holiday" when it was interrupted for about 10 seconds >by a promo, in progress, from KC-101 (WKCI Hamden, 101.3). The promo >then cut out and the Williams song resumed. > >I've heard of audio from one station getting onto another's frequency >before, but, except for the (I think) 1510 incident where some >maintenance worker accidentally switched to WAAF (again, I think), I >always though these incidents always happened when the wrong feed went >to the transmitter from a group of stations under common ownership using >the same facilities. But DRC and KCI have separate ownership and >transmitter sites! How did this happen? > My best guess would be that this was an error by the telephone company, the transmission lines (fiber or ISDN) may have been crossed. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Dec 18 12:26:28 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu Dec 18 12:26:32 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames In-Reply-To: <20031218044047.16401.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c3c58c$129c1ca0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Its interesting if you visit the station's web site referenced in the article. The program schedule and playlist are generated to the website directly from the automation. The schedule is the actual programming schedule that would have been fed into the system. The playlist, which is currently blank, is a loop back from the automation that spits back what the system has played for the last period of time. Interestingly, the website makes no reference to the station being off the air. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of John Bolduc > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:41 PM > To: lglavin@lycos.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames > > > Foster's have an article about the aftermath of the fire > http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/December2003/December_17/News/mn_e1217a.asp John East Derry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 16:14:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 18 16:15:02 2003 Subject: Howie Carr, author Message-ID: <20031218211450.57343.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Howie Carr just announced he's got a contract to write a book about Whitey and Billy Bulger, for Time-Warner. He said that news will hit the papers tomorrow. Let's see, among the talk hosts who have written books, there's been Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Albom, Larry King (yes, folks, remember his overnight radio show from years past?), Savage....and now Carr... From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 16:24:07 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 18 16:24:16 2003 Subject: Howie Carr, author Message-ID: <20031218212407.90214.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> ...and now that I think of it, David Brudnoy ("Life is Not a Rehearsal"), Don Imus ("God's Other Son"), and Ray Flynn have written books, too... From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Dec 18 16:33:39 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu Dec 18 16:33:46 2003 Subject: Howie Carr, author In-Reply-To: <20031218211450.57343.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031218211450.57343.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031218163237.0252cf60@mail.mac.com> At 04:14 PM 12/18/2003, Bob Nelson wrote: >Let's see, among the talk hosts who have written >books, there's been Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingraham, >Albom, Larry King (yes, folks, remember his overnight >radio show from years past?), Savage....and now Carr... Add to the list: Mitch Albom (Tuesdays with Morey). -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From paul@03038.com Thu Dec 18 17:00:10 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Dec 18 17:03:27 2003 Subject: Ordway Resigns with EEI In-Reply-To: <001801c3c58c$129c1ca0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <003501c3c5b2$d3a40c20$0e87fea9@q0002> I realize there have been some rumors about a FM Sports outlet in Boston (perhaps one of the 2 XMAS-Music stunting outlets) and as far as 103.3 is concerned, it would be w/o Ordway as he has signed a 5-year deal with WEEI. Of course, since Star 93.7 (WQSX-Lawrence) is co-owned, I guess the rumor about 93.7 can live another day! (From EEI: As one of WEEI's Clubhouse Insiders and loyal listeners, I wanted you to be the first to know about some exciting news here at WEEI. We have just signed Glenn Ordway to a new 5-year contract with WEEI, locking THE BIG SHOW in for, what is setting up to be, the most exciting five years in Boston Sports history. This solidifies our daytime line-up with multiple year deals in place for Glenn as well as Dennis & Callahan and Dale & Neumy). -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Brian Vita Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:26 PM To: 'John Bolduc'; lglavin@lycos.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames Its interesting if you visit the station's web site referenced in the article. The program schedule and playlist are generated to the website directly from the automation. The schedule is the actual programming schedule that would have been fed into the system. The playlist, which is currently blank, is a loop back from the automation that spits back what the system has played for the last period of time. Interestingly, the website makes no reference to the station being off the air. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of John Bolduc > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:41 PM > To: lglavin@lycos.com; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Station goes up in flames > > > Foster's have an article about the aftermath of the fire > http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/December2003/December_17/News/mn_e1217a.asp John East Derry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From paul@03038.com Thu Dec 18 16:54:19 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Dec 18 17:03:41 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM In-Reply-To: <21749-3FE1CFA4-1519@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <003401c3c5b2$c3fe9d80$0e87fea9@q0002> The prior incedent was on 1150 during the WAAF simucast days. Some maintainance worker was in the transmitter tower and wanted to listen to Jam'n (WJMN 94.5) and re-tuned the relay thinking it was just a "radio" on in the site. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Howard Glazer Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:03 AM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM This morning at 10:43, WDRC-FM Hartford (102.9) was playing Andy Williams' "Happy Holiday" when it was interrupted for about 10 seconds by a promo, in progress, from KC-101 (WKCI Hamden, 101.3). The promo then cut out and the Williams song resumed. I've heard of audio from one station getting onto another's frequency before, but, except for the (I think) 1510 incident where some maintenance worker accidentally switched to WAAF (again, I think), I always though these incidents always happened when the wrong feed went to the transmitter from a group of stations under common ownership using the same facilities. But DRC and KCI have separate ownership and transmitter sites! How did this happen? Howard From mlaurence@mindspring.com Thu Dec 18 17:19:03 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu Dec 18 17:18:49 2003 Subject: Ordway Resigns with EEI In-Reply-To: <003501c3c5b2$d3a40c20$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <2FD958E6-31A8-11D8-8747-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > We have just signed Glenn Ordway to a new 5-year contract with WEEI, > locking > THE BIG SHOW in for, what is setting up to be, the most exciting five > years > in Boston Sports history. This solidifies our daytime line-up with > multiple year deals in place for Glenn as well as Dennis & Callahan > and Dale > & Neumy). > Should that be, "Ordway Re-Signs with EEI?" Interesting language quirk: while flammable and inflammable mean the same thing, resign and re-sign mean the opposite! Mark From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 18 18:01:48 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Dec 18 18:02:17 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Howie Carr, author Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:24:07 >From: Bob Nelson >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >...and now that I think of it, David Brudnoy ("Life is >Not a Rehearsal"), Don Imus ("God's Other Son"), >and Ray Flynn have written books, too... A name that will be recognized by many, although he hasn't been heard from for a while: Paul Benzaquin authored a thome about the Cocoanut Grove fire (bigger even than "The Station" niteclub) Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From lglavin@lycos.com Thu Dec 18 18:42:36 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu Dec 18 18:42:50 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Ordway Resigns with EEI Message-ID: >DATE: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:19:03 >From: Mark Laurence >To: paul@03038.com >Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > >Should that be, "Ordway Re-Signs with EEI?" >Interesting language quirk: while flammable and >inflammable mean the >same thing, resign and re-sign mean the opposite! >Mark Another interesting language quirk that apparently only applies to radio: the prefixes (or is the plural of 'prefix' 'prefeces'?) non- and omni- are pretty much diametrically opposed except when referring to radio towers...omni-directional and non-directional antennas mean the same thing! Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 03:21:21 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Dec 19 03:21:30 2003 Subject: Fwd: Re: Howie Carr, author In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031219082121.26095.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> > A name that will be recognized by many, although he > hasn't > been heard from for a while: Paul Benzaquin > authored a thome about > the Cocoanut Grove fire (bigger even than "The > Station" niteclub) Oh, how could I forget! Also "king of all trivia" Morgan White Jr. put together some small-press books about trivia. And in the category of Boston area talk show CO-hosts, we should also include Donna Halper ("Invisible Stars", etc.), for her frequent stints on "Let's Talk About Radio" :) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 03:25:49 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Dec 19 03:26:02 2003 Subject: Howie Carr, author In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031218163237.0252cf60@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20031219082549.24312.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > Add to the list: Mitch Albom (Tuesdays with Morey). Yup! I had him in there (between Ingraham and King). He was interviewed the other day by Sean Hannity about his latest book... And on the subject of Boston radio personalities who have written books (not just talk show hosts) I remember when I was a kid (in the 70s) having a copy of Red Sox broadcaster Ken Coleman's book, "So You Want To Be A Sportscaster" (we lost Ken this past year). From beckwith@ime.net Fri Dec 19 09:20:53 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Fri Dec 19 09:21:16 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block Message-ID: <002701c3c63b$65556050$7823a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Harron is about to complete its exodus from broadcasting, with Hearst-Argyle being the most obvious buyer for the ABC affiliate. The article also pegs the WMTW radio group sale price at about $12 million. http://business.mainetoday.com/news/031219wmtw.shtml From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 19 12:17:45 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:12:25 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 In-Reply-To: <200312191700.hBJH02xO096939@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031219121629.0246b998@gwind.pair.com> At 12:00 PM 12/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: >This morning at 10:43, WDRC-FM Hartford (102.9) was playing Andy >Williams' "Happy Holiday" when it was interrupted for about 10 seconds >by a promo, in progress, from KC-101 (WKCI Hamden, 101.3). The promo >then cut out and the Williams song resumed. I'm thinking EAS might be the likely culprit - isn't WKCI an EAS primary for southern Connecticut? Presumably WDRC-FM monitors it, among other stations, and perhaps the EAS receiver got potted up by mistake... s From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 12:53:15 2003 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:53:24 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block In-Reply-To: <002701c3c63b$65556050$7823a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <20031219175315.66044.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:20:53 Chris Beckwith wrote: > Harron is about to complete its exodus from > broadcasting, with Hearst-Argyle > being the most obvious buyer for the ABC affiliate. > The article also pegs the > WMTW radio group sale price at about $12 million. > http://business.mainetoday.com/news/031219wmtw.shtml > Interesting, now I think I have a little more background into why WMTW has always ranked third in its newscasts and such. This same Harron company used to own WKTV (channel 2, an NBC affiliate) and the local cable company (Harron Cable) in Utica NY. I seem to recall before WKTV was sold to Smith Television, their news set was very substandard and ancient looking. They had the cheesiest small market jingles and station imaging, and by watching it you could tell it was a small market, fairly low budget operation. Now in Utica's case they were lucky - the other network affiliate in town was a 1970 addition on UHF, and the original owners of that (WUTR) were probably one of the biggest cheapskates in broadcasting history, so as bad as it was WKTV was still miles ahead of WUTR (in quality as well as signal coverage area). If WMTW was run with any similarity to the way WKTV was when Harron owned them, I can totally see and undertsand why they have been third place for as long as they have, because I would think Portland actually had some good, decently bankrolled competition unlike Utica. As much as I hate to say this, its probably another argument supporting Dan Billings' reasoning that having large corporate ownership of a media outlet may actually be better than local mom and pop ownership. Matt Osborne Poughkeepsie, NY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 19 16:48:20 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 19 16:47:54 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031219121629.0246b998@gwind.pair.com> References: <200312191700.hBJH02xO096939@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20031219121629.0246b998@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <54240.216.204.15.170.1071870500.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > I'm thinking EAS might be the likely culprit - isn't WKCI an EAS primary > for southern Connecticut? Presumably WDRC-FM monitors it, among other > stations, and perhaps the EAS receiver got potted up by mistake... Are stations still required to have the EAS receiver come up on the board, or is having the endec in the air chain sufficient? From sid@wrko.com Fri Dec 19 16:59:05 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Dec 19 16:59:25 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 Message-ID: >>Are stations still required to have the EAS receiver come up on the board, or is having the endec in the air chain sufficient?<< It's the other way around. Having the EAS box as an input to the board will get you cited by the FCC during an inspection, unless the station owner can absolutely, positively guarantee that there is someone running that board 24/7/365. Otherwise, it MUST be in the air chain. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 19 18:28:56 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 19 18:27:48 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block In-Reply-To: <20031219175315.66044.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002701c3c63b$65556050$7823a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031219182513.00a9dab0@pop3.bit-net.com> Matthew Osborne wrote: > As much as I hate to say this, its probably >another argument supporting Dan Billings' reasoning >that having large corporate ownership of a media >outlet may actually be better than local mom and pop >ownership. That was certainly true for WMUR-TV in Manchester. Hokey, really bad small market tv until sometime in the 80s when a chain bought them. I don't think Hearst was the one who finally brought Channel 9 out of the dark ages. I remember in the mid 70s they used a sleeve from a Mercury 45 rpm record with their logo on it as the ID slide. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 19 18:31:36 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 19 18:30:28 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031219183005.00a85730@pop3.bit-net.com> At 04:59 PM 12/19/03 -0500, Sid Schweiger wrote: > >>Are stations still required to have the EAS receiver come up on the board, >or is having the endec in the air chain sufficient?<< > >It's the other way around. Having the EAS box as an input to the board >will get you cited by the FCC during an inspection, unless the station >owner can absolutely, positively guarantee that there is someone running >that board 24/7/365. Otherwise, it MUST be in the air chain. I knew that. What I was asking was if the receiver(s) that input to the EAS also need to be brought up on the board. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 19 18:53:30 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Dec 19 18:53:34 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block References: <002701c3c63b$65556050$7823a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <000c01c3c68b$4dc33b60$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> WMTW is a good example of why "family owned" does not mean a quality operation. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 19 18:58:52 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Dec 19 18:58:57 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block References: <20031219175315.66044.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c3c68c$0dbee040$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Osborne" To: "Chris Beckwith" ; Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: WMTW-TV on the block > As much as I hate to say this, its probably > another argument supporting Dan Billings' reasoning > that having large corporate ownership of a media > outlet may actually be better than local mom and pop > ownership. Hey! You stole my thunder. ;-) My actual position is that some corporate operators run quality operations, some do not. Some small or local owners ran quality operations, some did not. I just don't buy the argument that smaller or local is always better. I worked for some of the cheapest, penny pinching "family owned" companies back in the good old days. The only corporate operator that I worked for (Saga) was a decent company to work for, though the bottom line is their priority and they did fire me once about 10 years ago. (No hard feelings. Right, Chuck?) -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From sid@wrko.com Fri Dec 19 20:14:03 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri Dec 19 20:26:02 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 Message-ID: >>What I was asking was if the receiver(s) that input to the EAS also need to be brought up on the board.<< It's not a requirement. In fact, I would leave them off the board, if only because someone could pot them up by accident, making for one ornery program director. An emergency message being relayed from one of the received stations would be stored in the EAS box and re-transmitted when the station relayed the alert. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF-WEEI-WQSX-WRKO-WVEI From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Dec 19 22:21:26 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri Dec 19 22:20:34 2003 Subject: WMTW-TV on the block References: <20031219175315.66044.qmail@web12821.mail.yahoo.com> <001601c3c68c$0dbee040$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000c01c3c6a8$5be75b00$4129c618@maine.rr.com> Dan wrote: >>I worked for some of the cheapest, penny pinching "family owned" companies back in the good old days. The only corporate operator that I worked for (Saga) was a decent company to work for, though the bottom line is their priority and they did fire me once about 10 years ago. (No hard feelings. Right, Chuck?) << assuming you mean me, no hard feelings at all. hell, they (Saga) fired me, too. ;-) now, they help me pay my bills again and give me a place to go at 3am instead of, um, bed... - -Chuck Igo From engineer@the-spa.com Fri Dec 19 22:31:24 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Fri Dec 19 22:33:13 2003 Subject: WKCI break-in on WDRC-FM 102.9 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031219121629.0246b998@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <001a01c3c6a9$bf569100$a1ec9cac@aoldsl.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" > I'm thinking EAS might be the likely culprit - isn't WKCI an EAS primary > for southern Connecticut? Presumably WDRC-FM monitors it, among other > stations, and perhaps the EAS receiver got potted up by mistake... WDRC-FM is the primary for the state of Connecticut, and WTIC (AM) is the secondary. WKCI-FM is merely down the EAS chain, it may be a second "primary" (like what WSRS is to the MEMA EAS/WBMX). --Mike Fitzpatrick. From engineer@the-spa.com Fri Dec 19 22:38:13 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Fri Dec 19 22:40:02 2003 Subject: To clarify the Springfield WFSB scenario Message-ID: <002001c3c6aa$b36fe2a0$a1ec9cac@aoldsl.net> It was announced in a recent newspaper article (in the Springfield Republican, although I can not place the date) that Meredith's "CBS3" in Springfield (properly known as WSHM-LP 67) will NOT carry a local newscast, at least anytime soon. Meredith states that it will cost too much to do a local newscast. However locally they will replace what would be local newscasts with syndicated programs. WSHM-LP will be carried on the Comcast systems officially January 01, 2004. No word on if Charter will also do the same. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 23:51:12 2003 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Fri Dec 19 23:51:17 2003 Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! Message-ID: <20031220045112.37283.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> I haven't heard this song once on the Boston/Manchester/Lawrence stations playing Christmas music since the beginning of the month (or longer). Where are you Christmas by Faith Hill - Featured on the Grinch Movie It seemed to have been popular the last couple of years, not just on country music stations. Is this on anyone's playlist this Christmas?? John East Derry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From maine.radio@verizon.net Sat Dec 20 00:09:02 2003 From: maine.radio@verizon.net (Mountain Wireless Radio - WCTB/WHQO/WSKW) Date: Sat Dec 20 00:09:11 2003 Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! References: <20031220045112.37283.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c3c6b7$62437a10$6501010a@LAPTOP> It's on ours at WCTB. Nice song. -J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolduc" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! > I haven't heard this song once on the Boston/Manchester/Lawrence stations > playing Christmas music since the beginning of the month (or longer). > > Where are you Christmas by Faith Hill - Featured on the Grinch Movie > > It seemed to have been popular the last couple of years, not just on > country music stations. Is this on anyone's playlist this Christmas?? > > John > East Derry > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > From paulranderson@charter.net Sat Dec 20 08:53:02 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat Dec 20 08:54:12 2003 Subject: To clarify the Springfield WFSB scenario In-Reply-To: <002001c3c6aa$b36fe2a0$a1ec9cac@aoldsl.net> References: <002001c3c6aa$b36fe2a0$a1ec9cac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2003, at 10:38 PM, Fitzpatrick, Mike wrote: > It was announced in a recent newspaper article (in the Springfield > Republican, although I can not place the date) that Meredith's "CBS3" > in Springfield (properly known as WSHM-LP 67) will NOT carry a local > newscast, at least anytime soon. Meredith states that it will cost too > much to do a local newscast. However locally they will replace what > would be local newscasts with syndicated programs. So this is the opposite of what I had thought. So Springfield-area viewers will now be able to see syndicated shows instead of a Hartford-based newscast. WWLP 22 and WGGB 40 should benefit, then, at least during their local newscasts. This is a curious decision by WFSB. Do they not have good ratings for their news in Springfield and figure they'd do better with syndicated shows? (Sounds sort of like a Sinclair station, doesn't it?) Paul From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Dec 20 09:58:36 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Dec 20 09:57:28 2003 Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! In-Reply-To: <20031220045112.37283.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031220095531.00a26c30@pop3.bit-net.com> John Bolduc wrote: >I haven't heard this song once on the Boston/Manchester/Lawrence stations >playing Christmas music since the beginning of the month (or longer). > >Where are you Christmas by Faith Hill - Featured on the Grinch Movie > >It seemed to have been popular the last couple of years, not just on >country music stations. Is this on anyone's playlist this Christmas?? Talking with the PD of our CHR, it seems that there's a trend away from "original" Christmas songs this year toward contemporary interpretations of the classics, at least what few new releases there were. Maybe this is affecting what library cuts get played too. Another one I haven't heard much is the John & Yoko "Happy Christmas". From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Dec 20 11:03:23 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:03:26 2003 Subject: New England Cable News Message-ID: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> I'm getting my first extended exposure to New England Cable News in a long time, and the first since CN8 came to the area last year. The programming is looking more and more magazine-like, like what CN8 would put on its Mid-Atlantic channel. At this point I see no true purpose for NECN, especially since Comcast owns half of it. I think some people on this very list speculated NECN might not have much of a future once Comcast rolled into town and I'm tending to agree with them. Now I'm wondering how long it is before Comcast approaches Charles Dolan and offers to flip Fox Sports New England into Comcast Sports Net Boston -- or just kills off NECN, swipes away Celtics rights and does in Fox Sports Net that way. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Dec 20 11:11:58 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:12:03 2003 Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031220095531.00a26c30@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3c713$ff3d7670$6400a8c0@brianhome> > Talking with the PD of our CHR, it seems that there's a trend away from > "original" Christmas songs this year toward contemporary interpretations of > the classics, at least what few new releases there were. Maybe this is > affecting what library cuts get played too. Another one I haven't heard > much is the John & Yoko "Happy Christmas". > re: John & Yoko - thank God for small miracles. There was an article on the Fox news website yesterday about how Yoko is having herself digitially added into the video footage of John singing and how, on a recent TNT documentary on his life that she edited, there was NO mention of the Beatles. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From news@southstation.org Sat Dec 20 11:16:13 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:16:23 2003 Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! In-Reply-To: <20031220045112.37283.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > From: John Bolduc > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:51 PM > Subject: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! > > > I haven't heard this song once on the Boston/Manchester/Lawrence stations > playing Christmas music since the beginning of the month (or longer). > > Where are you Christmas by Faith Hill - Featured on the Grinch Movie > > It seemed to have been popular the last couple of years, not just on > country music stations. Is this on anyone's playlist this Christmas?? > > John > East Derry > I'm looking for the title and artist name of the brass choir that performs "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen." I've heard it twice on two different stations as I was driving, and couldn't call to find out who that was. Any takers on this one? -Larry Lovering www.southstation.org From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 20 11:34:58 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:35:04 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th Message-ID: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> WCSH will celebrate its 50th Anniversary with a hour retrospective Tuesday night at 8. From paulranderson@Charter.net Sat Dec 20 12:14:51 2003 From: paulranderson@Charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:15:13 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> References: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Sean Smyth wrote: > At this point I see no true purpose for NECN, especially since Comcast > owns half of it. I think some people on this very list speculated NECN > might not have much of a future once Comcast rolled into town and I'm > tending to agree with them. NECN is my preferred source for news. It's not so Boston-oriented as the Boston stations (naturally) and offers less coverage of car accidents in Weymouth and more coverage of the rest of New England. What does Comcast "rolling into town" (well, maybe *your* town, but not many towns in central Massachusetts have Comcast) have to do with it? It's been only recently they mention Comcast on NECN at all. Was this some change of ownership? (I never recall much ado about AT&T owning part of NECN, if they ever did.) Hearst owns the rest, right? > Now I'm wondering how long it is before Comcast approaches Charles > Dolan and offers to flip Fox Sports New England into Comcast Sports > Net Boston -- or just kills off NECN, swipes away Celtics rights and > does in Fox Sports Net that way. Why would Comcast want to kill NECN? Paul From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Dec 20 12:36:05 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:36:10 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> Paul Anderson writes: << NECN is my preferred source for news. It's not so Boston-oriented as the Boston stations (naturally) and offers less coverage of car accidents in Weymouth and more coverage of the rest of New England. >> Funny, I could swear I've seen the northern New England folks on this list (Mssrs. O'Neill and Billings) say the opposite. << What does Comcast "rolling into town" (well, maybe *your* town, but not many towns in central Massachusetts have Comcast) have to do with it? It's been only recently they mention Comcast on NECN at all. Was this some change of ownership? (I never recall much ado about AT&T owning part of NECN, if they ever did.) Hearst owns the rest, right? >> CN8 serves this function in the mid-Atlantic states: an outlet with news in prime time and featury programming the rest of the day. NECN has never really been all-news, all-the-time. I sat and watched NECN today and saw a couple magazine programs back-to-back, like TV Diner and Patriots All Access. And I recall a chunk of NECN's programming day up until a couple years ago (maybe even still) being filled with infomercials. (I don't remember exactly how big that window was.) That's not exactly a "news" channel. In my opinion, CN8 and NECN are becoming even more blurry in the defining line between the two. Why have two channels serving the same mission, especially when they're owned by the same company? A CN8 airing some of NECN's stronger programming (i.e. Newsnight and such) would be a lot stronger channel than the two separated. Continental/Media One/AT&T/Comcast has always owned 50 percent of NECN and Hearst/Hearst-Argyle has always owned the other 50. << Why would Comcast want to kill NECN? >> If The Powers That Be found that a two-channel combo of CN8 and an all-sports channel would be more profitable than keeping CN8 and NECN as is, they'd do it in a heartbeat. And Comcast Sports Net, especially CSN-Philadelphia, offers a better product than the Cablevision-owned Fox Sports Net outlets (as opposed to the Fox-owned Fox Sports Net outlets). From mixer@zoso.net Sat Dec 20 12:48:27 2003 From: mixer@zoso.net (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Sat Dec 20 12:44:42 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> References: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Sean Smyth wrote: > Paul Anderson writes: > << NECN is my preferred source for news. It's not so Boston-oriented as > > the Boston stations (naturally) and offers less coverage of car > accidents in Weymouth and more coverage of the rest of New England. >> > > Funny, I could swear I've seen the northern New England folks on this > list (Mssrs. O'Neill and Billings) say the opposite. On NECN there is hardly ever any coverage of Maine unless it is something that NBC/CBS/CNN etc are covering as well. There are exceptions but for the most part Maine does not exist to them. > > In my opinion, CN8 and NECN are becoming even more blurry in the > defining line between the two. Why have two channels serving the same > mission, especially when they're owned by the same company? A CN8 airing > some of NECN's stronger programming (i.e. Newsnight and such) would be a > lot stronger channel than the two separated. > > Continental/Media One/AT&T/Comcast has always owned 50 percent of NECN > and Hearst/Hearst-Argyle has always owned the other 50. > > << Why would Comcast want to kill NECN? >> > > If The Powers That Be found that a two-channel combo of CN8 and an > all-sports channel would be more profitable than keeping CN8 and NECN as > is, they'd do it in a heartbeat. And Comcast Sports Net, especially > CSN-Philadelphia, offers a better product than the Cablevision-owned Fox > Sports Net outlets (as opposed to the Fox-owned Fox Sports Net outlets). I think the ideal thing would be to focus the best parts of the twoo news channels into one, and the other one should be a sports station, and they could be very effective with this. Just my thoughts, but could be effective if they did it right... Jeremy From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 13:00:40 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:07:10 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: <038a01c3c723$51872520$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > > Paul Anderson writes: > > << NECN is my preferred source for news. It's not so Boston-oriented as > > > > the Boston stations (naturally) and offers less coverage of car > > accidents in Weymouth and more coverage of the rest of New England. >> Funny...after working in New Hampshire for awhile, it's amazing that you can get up to central NH and people are STILL somewhat tied to Boston..the Globe is still the second buy....they still watch Boston television. They are interested in Boston/State politics....however, they are not interested in a house fire in Ashland or a car crash on Rt 142.(?) You don't see that as much as you go the other way towards RI...they are not as tied to Boston...and (maybe because of their proximity to I-95) seem to somewhat interested in NYC. I was amazed at seeing the NY Times on office desks. I know once you get up towards Bangor, people are in another world. ;-) However, are people in the Portland area connected with Boston at all? There was a period in the mid-70's that I remember WBZ did reasonably well in the Portland market (as an out of town signal.) Just my $.02 JP From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 20 13:16:52 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:16:56 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> <038a01c3c723$51872520$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <002201c3c725$719a2270$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Pappalardo" To: "Jeremy Mixer" ; "BRI" Cc: "Sean Smyth" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: Re: New England Cable News > I know once you get up towards Bangor, people are in another world. ;-) > However, are people in the Portland area connected with Boston at all? Not really, other than the sports teams. Nobody cares about the Big Dig or Mass politics. > There was a period in the mid-70's that I remember WBZ did reasonably well > in the Portland market (as an out of town signal.) In the Spring 2003 book, WBZ tied for 16th with a 1.4 12+. One of the stations that they tied with was Portland's only all news station WMTW AM & FM. WMTW had run TV ads that featured workers from the local baked bean factory saying the line "Boston doesn't know Beans about Maine news." -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 20 13:16:26 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:17:21 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> At 11:03 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I'm getting my first extended exposure to New England Cable News in a >long time, and the first since CN8 came to the area last year. > >The programming is looking more and more magazine-like, like what CN8 >would put on its Mid-Atlantic channel. At this point I see no true >purpose for NECN, especially since Comcast owns half of it. Well, maybe you and I are watching different NECNs. The one I watch has some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and former channel 5 (WCVB) anchor Chet Curtis, as well as political commentary from both the left and the right, excellent sports reporters, and solid coverage of New England issues. On the weekends and later in the evening, yes it becomes rather magazine-like, but in prime time, I have found it often offers more thorough coverage and longer pieces than the other local channels. And during the Red Sox' abortive run for the pennant, their two main sports anchors were every bit as good as those on the better known stations. I'd be sorry if Comcast pulled the plug on them. From lglavin@lycos.com Sat Dec 20 13:27:19 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:27:40 2003 Subject: Fwd: RE: Christmas song I haven't heard once this year! Message-ID: >DATE: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:16:13 >From: "Larry Lovering" >To: "John Bolduc" , interest@bostonradio.org> >I'm looking for the title and artist name of the >brass choir that performs >"God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen." I've heard it twice >on two different >stations as I was driving, and couldn't call to find >out who that was. Any >takers on this one? If by any chance you tuned in to WCRB, their website displays recordings and music (not necessarily the same thing) in a screen called "What Did I Hear?" (the click-through is a picture of Beethoven who was famously deaf). It includes "Christmas Clusters" by Artists, and one of them is the "Philadelphia Brass". Individual selections within the cluster are not displayed so I can't tell whether "GRYMG" is included, but it's possible. I don't know if "The Philadelphia Brass" is a standalone outfit (although French Horn players tend to sit down) or is a section out of the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra. ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 From mixer@zoso.net Sat Dec 20 13:33:17 2003 From: mixer@zoso.net (Jeremy Mixer) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:29:23 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <038a01c3c723$51872520$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> <038a01c3c723$51872520$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > I know once you get up towards Bangor, people are in another world. ;-) > However, are people in the Portland area connected with Boston at all? Without a doubt. As someone who grew up in Saco and now lives in Brewer, the people up here really could care less about anything south of Augusta. My Uncle Bill introduces me as his nephew from massachucettes (I have lived in Maine all of my life but to him south of Augusta is Massachucettes heh) In southern Maine, there is definately more Boston stuff in the news but for the most part it is Maine and New Hampshire that people are interested in. I think, even in Southern Maine, where Boston is 90 minutes away and Bangor is 140 miles away, that people still care more about what's going on in Maine. I could be wrong... Jeremy From kvahey@tmail.com Sat Dec 20 13:54:30 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:54:51 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1071946474.2F08B4AA@s29.dngr.org> Has Hearst pulled out as you don't see their name trumpted like Comcast. Comcast right now is setting up their midwest and they just blew Fox Sports Chicago out of the water by signing the Cubs, White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks for a Comcast Sports Net starting next October. Fox Sports is left with nada except some college games. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 1:23pm, Donna Halper wrote: > At 11:03 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> I'm getting my first extended exposure to New England Cable News in a >> long time, and the first since CN8 came to the area last year. >> >> The programming is looking more and more magazine-like, like what CN8 >> would put on its Mid-Atlantic channel. At this point I see no true >> purpose for NECN, especially since Comcast owns half of it. > > Well, maybe you and I are watching different NECNs. The one I watch > has some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and former channel 5 > (WCVB) anchor Chet Curtis, as well as political commentary from both > the left and the right, excellent sports reporters, and solid coverage > of New England issues. On the weekends and later in the evening, yes > it becomes rather magazine-like, but in prime time, I have found it > often offers more thorough coverage and longer pieces than the other > local channels. And during the Red Sox' abortive run for the pennant, > their two main sports anchors were every bit as good as those on the > better known stations. I'd be sorry if Comcast pulled the plug on them. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 13:58:05 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Sat Dec 20 14:04:00 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <003701c3c72b$3f2ada40$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > Well, maybe you and I are watching different NECNs. The one I watch has > some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and former channel 5 (WCVB) > anchor Chet Curtis, as well as political commentary from both the left and > the right, excellent sports reporters, and solid coverage of New England > issues. One of the jokes amongst my friends and colleagues has always been about the "youthful appearance" of the field reporters on NECN. Some look like they could pose for a HS yearbook photo. I recall someone calling into Howie Carr saying about NECN, "When I watch news, I like the reporters to at least be at the age that they shave." I am assuming this kinda thing comes back to them in research...and that's the reason for R.D., Chet and Tom. (Note: Not that there's anything wrong with a 'youthful appearance'...heck, most of us would die for that compliment! lol But I am assuming that some of the public perception might be 'youthful appearance = lack of experience'. And in TV, perception is reality, right?) JP From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 20 14:17:11 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 20 14:17:14 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> <1071946474.2F08B4AA@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <003301c3c72d$de99e830$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> The last thing New England needs is another regional sports network. NESN and Fox Sports New England have a hard enough time filling all the hours in the week as it is. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Dec 20 14:15:28 2003 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat Dec 20 14:22:57 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> References: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20031220141314.01ab21c0@pop.gis.net> > >Continental/Media One/AT&T/Comcast has always owned 50 percent of NECN >and Hearst/Hearst-Argyle has always owned the other 50. > ><< Why would Comcast want to kill NECN? >> > >If The Powers That Be found that a two-channel combo of CN8 and an >all-sports channel would be more profitable than keeping CN8 and NECN as >is, they'd do it in a heartbeat. And Comcast Sports Net, especially >CSN-Philadelphia, offers a better product than the Cablevision-owned Fox >Sports Net outlets (as opposed to the Fox-owned Fox Sports Net outlets). Which Fox Sports Net outlets are owned/controlled by Fox and which by other parties ? From billo@shoreham.net Sat Dec 20 15:15:56 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:16:09 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <001c01c3c736$13fe2510$9f00a8c0@boneill> Paul writes: > NECN is my preferred source for news. It's not so Boston-oriented as > the Boston stations (naturally) and offers less coverage of car > accidents in Weymouth and more coverage of the rest of New England. Does anyone know why NECN is not carried on the Dish Network? Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sat Dec 20 15:18:13 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:18:18 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> Message-ID: <001d01c3c736$65bd1dc0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Sean: > Funny, I could swear I've seen the northern New England folks on this > list (Mssrs. O'Neill and Billings) say the opposite. Whenever I'm near a tv with Adelphia, I always check out NECN. I really miss it since we are not in the cable-zone, nor are we likely to be within the next 75 years. Bill O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 20 15:35:31 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:35:40 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153159.02546e00@mail.mac.com> At 01:16 PM 12/20/2003, Donna Halper wrote: >The one I watch has some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and >former channel 5 (WCVB) anchor Chet Curtis, What makes one news reader more credible, in your mind, than another news reader? We all know these people are merely reading words written by others most of the time, so as long as they pronounce the words clearly, who cares who it is? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From ssmyth@psu.edu Sat Dec 20 15:38:02 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:38:05 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20031220141314.01ab21c0@pop.gis.net> Message-ID: <000301c3c739$2a30a440$83f36041@Sean> Ron writes: << Which Fox Sports Net outlets are owned/controlled by Fox and which by other parties ? >> Last I checked Cablevision (or is it Rainbow?) owned six of the FSN-branded outlets. Off the top of my head: New England, New York City (MSG, too), San Francisco, Florida (if this is still even on the air). I couldn't tell you the others. I believe Fox owns the rest now. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 20 15:39:44 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:39:50 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <001c01c3c736$13fe2510$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> <001c01c3c736$13fe2510$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153853.0252c2f8@mail.mac.com> At 03:15 PM 12/20/2003, Bill O'Neill wrote: >Does anyone know why NECN is not carried on the Dish Network? Probably because it's half owned by a cable company. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Dec 20 15:44:08 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:42:59 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <000201c3c71f$bf1390f0$83f36041@Sean> References: <05D32C5A-3310-11D8-9A8C-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031220154249.00a92300@pop3.bit-net.com> Sean Smyth wrote: >NECN has >never really been all-news, all-the-time. I sat and watched NECN today >and saw a couple magazine programs back-to-back, like TV Diner and >Patriots All Access. And I recall a chunk of NECN's programming day up >until a couple years ago (maybe even still) being filled with >infomercials. (I don't remember exactly how big that window was.) That's >not exactly a "news" channel. Didn't Mike Addams do a late night talk show (maybe sports talk?) on NECN in the mid-late 90s? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 20 15:43:16 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat Dec 20 15:43:20 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean><5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153159.02546e00@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <004301c3c739$e4d3b990$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Sean Smyth" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: New England Cable News > What makes one news reader more credible, in your mind, than another news > reader? We all know these people are merely reading words written by > others most of the time, so as long as they pronounce the words clearly, > who cares who it is? I'm not sure about Boston, but in Portland and other small markets, the anchors and reporters write almost everything they read. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 20 16:47:46 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat Dec 20 16:48:08 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153159.02546e00@mail.mac.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> <000101c3c712$cb87f6d0$83f36041@Sean> <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220164423.02358b18@pop.registeredsite.com> At 03:35 PM 12/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:16 PM 12/20/2003, Donna Halper wrote: > >>The one I watch has some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and >>former channel 5 (WCVB) anchor Chet Curtis, > >What makes one news reader more credible, in your mind, than another news >reader? We all know these people are merely reading words written by >others most of the time, so as long as they pronounce the words clearly, >who cares who it is? Umm, R.D. and Chet actually do some real, genuine reporting. Granted, they have little helpers and interns, but I know people who work with them and they actually get out and cover stories, believe it or don't. Not everyone is just a reader... News readers are only as credible as the people who write their stuff, of course. But some of the old-time journalists in this town do still like to see things for themselves-- people are shocked to find that Jack Williams and Liz Walker and even Natalie Jacobsen have been known to leave the studio and talk to the people they are reporting about... From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 20 17:55:54 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat Dec 20 17:56:05 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220174850.02546848@mail.mac.com> I seem to remember seeing something here about there being a new CBC Radio 1 station on FM in southern Quebec that can be heard in northern Vermont. Does anyone remember the post, or know what frequency the station is on, and if it can be heard in the Burlington area? I tried looking in the archives and I could not find anything. Please note that I am not referring to the station in Sherbrooke, which has been there for ages. Thanks for your help. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 23:55:26 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat Dec 20 23:55:39 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220174850.02546848@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > I seem to remember seeing something here about there > being a new CBC Radio > 1 station on FM in southern Quebec that can be heard > in northern > Vermont. Does anyone remember the post, or know > what frequency the station > is on, and if it can be heard in the Burlington > area? I tried looking in > the archives and I could not find anything. I looked up the frequency list at the CBC site: http://www.cbc.ca/frequency/frequency_qb.html and noticed: Cowansville 101.9FM CBMG-FM Cowansville is not far from the VT border (according to my road atlas). If you take I-89 across the border it becomes Quebec route 133; then Cowansville is 32 km east of Pike River on Rt. 202. Anyway, maybe that's the one? From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 21 00:09:19 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 21 00:09:43 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont In-Reply-To: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071983367.1822920@w37.dngr.org> And by the time you reach Swanton, VT it becomes hash. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:58pm, Bob Nelson wrote: > > --- Larry Weil wrote: >> I seem to remember seeing something here about there >> being a new CBC Radio >> 1 station on FM in southern Quebec that can be heard >> in northern >> Vermont. Does anyone remember the post, or know >> what frequency the station >> is on, and if it can be heard in the Burlington >> area? I tried looking in >> the archives and I could not find anything. > > I looked up the frequency list at the CBC site: > > http://www.cbc.ca/frequency/frequency_qb.html > > and noticed: > Cowansville 101.9FM CBMG-FM > > Cowansville is not far from the VT border (according > to my road atlas). If you take I-89 across the border > it becomes Quebec route 133; then Cowansville is > 32 km east of Pike River on Rt. 202. Anyway, > maybe that's the one? From mlaurence@mindspring.com Sun Dec 21 00:20:08 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun Dec 21 00:20:12 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153853.0252c2f8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <579466AE-3375-11D8-91F5-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > At 03:15 PM 12/20/2003, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >> Does anyone know why NECN is not carried on the Dish Network? > > Probably because it's half owned by a cable company. More likely because Dish and DirecTV don't want to use up their scarce transponder space on regional channels except for sports, which of course is a huge draw. They wouldn't carry channel 9, 11, 50, 66, 68, or a few others for the Boston market if the government didn't require them to. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 21 00:46:34 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 21 00:46:39 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont In-Reply-To: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 8:55 PM -0800 12/20/03, Bob Nelson wrote: > >I looked up the frequency list at the CBC site: > >http://www.cbc.ca/frequency/frequency_qb.html > >and noticed: >Cowansville 101.9FM CBMG-FM > >Cowansville is not far from the VT border (according >to my road atlas). If you take I-89 across the border >it becomes Quebec route 133; then Cowansville is >32 km east of Pike River on Rt. 202. Anyway, >maybe that's the one? I think it is. MapQuest shows Cowansville is about 70 miles from Burlington, but the station is fairly low power (3400 W, 124 meters HAAT), so we'll see when I get to Burlington on Sunday. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 21 11:01:50 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 21 11:00:58 2003 Subject: Dick Corbin, RIP Message-ID: <005001c3c7db$befaab50$64f88018@markscomputer> I saw in the Lowell Sun earlier this week that Richard "Dick" Corbin, former Merrimack Valley radio personality passed away on Monday 12/15 at the age of 74. The obituary noted that Corbin graduated from the Norm Prescott School of Broadcasting, then started his broadcasting career at WCAP (980 Lowell). From there he went to WOTW (900 Nashua NH) where he was an announcer, then became program director and host of the French Program on Sunday mornings, using the name Jacques Corbin. The French Program continues on 900 in Nashua, now with the calls WSNH and hosted by Maury "Big Moe" Parent. (who's also co-hosting a 1 hour local talk show Monday-Friday on WSMN, 1590 in Nashua). After radio, Corbin worked at a local auto dealership for many years. Maybe our esteemed radio historian Donna Halper can shed some light on the Norm Prescott School of Broadcasting. Where was the school located (I'll guess the Boston area) and did anyone else of note graduate from there.? Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 21 11:15:42 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 21 11:14:38 2003 Subject: Interesting Ad Heard On WCAP Message-ID: <006601c3c7dd$aefb9910$64f88018@markscomputer> This past week, WCAP (980 Lowell) had it's annual 3 night run of it's "Talk To Santa" show, where kids can call in to tell Santa what they want for Christmas, and once again this year could stop by the "WCAP Sidewalk Studios" inside Gary's Ice Cream Downtown Lowell location to visit Santa in person. One of the sponsors of the show this year was the Blaire House Nursing & Assisted Living Center. Their ad was interesting, to say the least. One of the lines in the ad says: " Both Santa and Mrs.Claus lover their Blaire House assisted living apartment". YIKES!! Imagine, shocked childern flocking to the Blaire House to find Santa pushing his walker, looking for his false teeth, and wearing Depends, and Mrs.Claus tooling around on her motorized scooter. The US Postal Service dropping off thousands of letters addressed to Santa at the North Pole with yellow forwarding labels to his new assisted living quarters. Another sponsor, the Lowell Regional Transit Authority, had a message from Santa at the end of the spot (who sounded like he had inhaled a bit of diesel fumes) urging us all to "Ride the LRTA today". Of course the in studio Santa sounded nowhere near the LRTA Santa. Mark Watson From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Dec 21 11:24:28 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Dec 21 11:23:20 2003 Subject: Dick Corbin, RIP In-Reply-To: <005001c3c7db$befaab50$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031221112306.00a8fec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Mark Watson wrote: > > Maybe our esteemed radio historian Donna Halper can shed some light on the >Norm Prescott School of Broadcasting. Where was the school located (I'll >guess the Boston area) and did anyone else of note graduate from there.? Why does the name Norm Prescott sound familiar? Have no idea where I know the name from though. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 21 11:30:52 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 21 11:29:49 2003 Subject: Interesting Ad Heard On WCAP References: <006601c3c7dd$aefb9910$64f88018@markscomputer> Message-ID: <007c01c3c7df$cd083f10$64f88018@markscomputer> Mark Watson wrote: >One of the lines in the ad says: " Both Santa and Mrs.Claus lover > their Blaire House assisted living apartment". And Mark Watson makes correction (oops, he didn't read over before clicking send): that line should be " Both Santa and Mrs. Claus love their Blaire House assisted living apartment". Thanks to Gary Francis for picking up the phone and pointing out my error. He's on his way to Blaire House right now to drop off Santa's check for his 3 nights' work on WCAP. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Dec 21 11:40:10 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun Dec 21 11:39:07 2003 Subject: Dick Corbin, RIP References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031221112306.00a8fec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <009001c3c7e1$19e3e2c0$64f88018@markscomputer> Steve Ordinetz wrote: > Why does the name Norm Prescott sound familiar? Have no idea >where I know the name from though. Norm Prescott was a well known Boston radio personality in the 50's. I believe he may worked at WBZ, I recall my father telling me that Prescott worked at WORL (950, now WROL), I'm not 100% sure, but he may have also worked at WCAP in it's early days before he worked in Boston. I think he later went on to become a producer or director of some cartoons that ran on network and syndicated TV in the 60's and 70's. I recall seeing the name in the credits of some cartoons in my younger days, or was that a different Prescott I'm thinking of? Mark Watson From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 21 12:20:01 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 21 12:20:17 2003 Subject: Dick Corbin, RIP Message-ID: <3FE58FF1.27398.434DBD@localhost> From: A. Joseph Ross To: SteveOrdinetz Subject: Re: Dick Corbin, RIP Copies to: boston Radio List Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:38:23 -0500 On 21 Dec 2003 at 11:24, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Why does the name Norm Prescott sound familiar? Have no idea where I > know the name from though. Didn't he work for WBZ at some point? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 21 12:20:01 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 21 12:20:23 2003 Subject: Interesting Ad Heard On WCAP Message-ID: <3FE58FF1.15931.434D4A@localhost> From: A. Joseph Ross To: "Mark Watson" Subject: Re: Interesting Ad Heard On WCAP Copies to: boston Radio List Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:37:48 -0500 On 21 Dec 2003 at 11:15, Mark Watson wrote: > One of the lines in the ad says: " Both Santa and Mrs.Claus lover > their Blaire House assisted living apartment". YIKES!! Imagine, shocked > childern flocking to the Blaire House to find Santa pushing his walker, > looking for his false teeth, and wearing Depends, and Mrs.Claus tooling > around on her motorized scooter. The US Postal Service dropping off > thousands of letters addressed to Santa at the North Pole with yellow > forwarding labels to his new assisted living quarters. I doubt the kids can tell that Santa wears Depends. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From oldradio@earthlink.net Sun Dec 21 13:51:57 2003 From: oldradio@earthlink.net (RBB) Date: Sun Dec 21 13:52:04 2003 Subject: Norm Prescott References: <3FE58FF1.27398.434DBD@localhost> Message-ID: <0aa101c3c7f3$84423e20$c849bb3f@S0031698896> <<>> Norm Prescott was a popular deejay at WHDH 850AM in the late 1940's, on staff shows working with Bob and Ray, et al - later he was competing as a DJ for audience with WHDH's Bob Clayton when he went to WORL 950AM in the early 1950's. On WORL then, was Alan Dary and his "Dary-Go-Round" and Bob Swan and his "Swanboat" morning show when WORL returned to the air after bankruptcy. Then Norm went to WBZ in the late 50's and had the NP School of Broadcasting in Boston (perhaps it was in Cambridge??) Norm had a custom-made theme song on both WORL (recorded by Tommy Tucker's Orch) and on WBZ (recorded by Nelson Riddle's Orch.) BTW, I'm still looking for a copy of his "Come one, come all we're gonna have a ball...on the Norm Prescott Show" theme if anyone has it or an aircheck. Thanks for the reply. He also did brief airwork at the legendary WNEW 1130AM in NYC before relocating to Los Angeles to produce the first, children's cartoon programming for Saturday morning network (ABC-TV) television with Lou Scheimer's Filmation Studio in the late 1960's. Norm also did voice work for animation features ("Wonder Woman" etc.) He still lives in retired recluse in the LA area, I'm told. Happy Holidays to the list! =Russ Butler oldradio@earthlink.net From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 14:34:24 2003 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Sun Dec 21 14:34:28 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031221193424.47161.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> I once had (maybe I still do in a box somewhere) four or five AT40 programs from various years on vinyl, complete with cue sheets ('77 the earliest, the '84 8-disc year end countdown the most recent). The theme from the '77 program was refered to as the "Shuckatoom Theme" on the included cue sheet. Some of those old national spots from the early '80s bring back memories...L.A. Beer anyone? Doug Bassett Brattleboro, VT --- wftn@comcast.net wrote: > Actually the theme says "shuck-a-toom" and that's > what the instrumental is called as well. They > eliminated the vocal from the end of the program > sometime in the late 70's. [...] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 21 15:56:38 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 21 15:56:50 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont In-Reply-To: References: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031221155258.01d78038@mail.mac.com> At 12:46 AM 12/21/2003, Larry Weil wrote: >At 8:55 PM -0800 12/20/03, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >>I looked up the frequency list at the CBC site: >> >>http://www.cbc.ca/frequency/frequency_qb.html >> >>and noticed: >>Cowansville 101.9FM CBMG-FM >> >>MapQuest shows Cowansville is about 70 miles from Burlington, but the >>station is fairly low power (3400 W, 124 meters HAAT), so we'll see when >>I get to Burlington on Sunday. Well, I think I can hear it a little bit from the parking lot of the hotel on the Becker car radio, but nothing at all with the Sony ICF-2002 in the window (3rd floor, west facing) of the Colchester Fairfield Inn. Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, VT Wobegone is a state of mind! From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 21 16:03:06 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 21 16:03:17 2003 Subject: CBC in Vermont In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031221155258.01d78038@mail.mac.com> References: <20031221045526.9836.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20031221155258.01d78038@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031221160140.01d7c178@mail.mac.com> At 03:56 PM 12/21/2003, Larry Weil wrote: >At 12:46 AM 12/21/2003, Larry Weil wrote: >>At 8:55 PM -0800 12/20/03, Bob Nelson wrote: >>> >>>I looked up the frequency list at the CBC site: >>> >>>http://www.cbc.ca/frequency/frequency_qb.html >>> >>>and noticed: >>>Cowansville 101.9FM CBMG-FM >>> >>>MapQuest shows Cowansville is about 70 miles from Burlington, but the >>>station is fairly low power (3400 W, 124 meters HAAT), so we'll see when >>>I get to Burlington on Sunday. > >Well, I think I can hear it a little bit from the parking lot of the hotel >on the Becker car radio, but nothing at all with the Sony ICF-2002 in the >window (3rd floor, west facing) of the Colchester Fairfield Inn. Make that EAST facing! I know, my other left. :-)) Larry Weil Temporarily in Lake Wobegone, VT Wobegone is a state of mind! From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Dec 21 20:23:23 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:23:44 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <20021105112834.HVZN22044.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiweb c37> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221201846.023a0bc8@pop.registeredsite.com> At 11:28 AM 11/5/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I woke up early this morning (4:00 AM) and tuned in WBZ. Morgan White Jr was >filling in for Steve LeVeille and was playing one of his many trivia games. >This one centered on identifying various items based on the numbers 1-2-3. >(How >quickly they forget--a spreadsheet program wasn't one of the items.) One >of the >items was a piece that Dick Summer claims to have authored and which Summer >used repeatedly on his WBZ program back in the '60s. Nah, he didn't author it. It came from Vaudeville, and was called the Tibetan Memory Trick in later versions-- but he did make it popular as the "Nightlight Password" and if you recited it, he gave you a prize-- I always tried to call, but never got through... Too bad I wasn't listening this morning, because I can absolutely recite it even today: Oh, one hen, two ducks, 3 squawking geese, 4 limerick oysters, 5 corpulent porpoises, 6 pair of Don Alverso's tweezers, seven thousand Macedonians in full battle array, 8 brass monkeys from the ancient sacred crypts of Egypt, 9 apathetic sympathetic diabetic old men on roller skates with a marked propensity for procrastination and sloth... (deep breath!) TEEEEEN lyrical spherical diabolical denizens of the deep who all haul around the corner of the quo of the quay of the queasy at the very same time (toot toot) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Dec 21 20:28:23 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:28:45 2003 Subject: Norm Prescott In-Reply-To: <0aa101c3c7f3$84423e20$c849bb3f@S0031698896> References: <3FE58FF1.27398.434DBD@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221202559.023cca80@pop.registeredsite.com> At 10:51 AM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: ><<>> > >Norm Prescott was a popular deejay at WHDH 850AM in the late 1940's, on >staff shows working with Bob and Ray, et al - later he was competing as a DJ >for audience with WHDH's Bob Clayton when he went to WORL 950AM in the early >1950's. Ah yes, good old Norm, one of the original "Live Five" when WBZ radio decided to drop NBC programming and go to real genuine disc jockeys in 1956... Bill Marlowe was one of them too, although he didn't last at WBZ very long. And if I recall, wasn't Norm involved in the payola scandal? Russ is right-- he lives in LA, but some people have been in contact with him, so he isn't totally reclusive. (Real name is Norman Pransky, I believe...) From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:32:51 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:33:16 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221201846.023a0bc8@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221201846.023a0bc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1072056779.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Didn't Dick get fired ar BZ for playing Sgt Pepper hours before the official release? On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 8:27pm, Donna Halper wrote: > At 11:28 AM 11/5/2002 +0000, you wrote: >> I woke up early this morning (4:00 AM) and tuned in WBZ. Morgan White >> Jr was >> filling in for Steve LeVeille and was playing one of his many trivia >> games. >> This one centered on identifying various items based on the numbers >> 1-2-3. (How >> quickly they forget--a spreadsheet program wasn't one of the items.) >> One of the >> items was a piece that Dick Summer claims to have authored and which >> Summer >> used repeatedly on his WBZ program back in the '60s. > > Nah, he didn't author it. It came from Vaudeville, and was called the > Tibetan Memory Trick in later versions-- but he did make it popular as > the "Nightlight Password" and if you recited it, he gave you a prize-- > I always tried to call, but never got through... Too bad I wasn't > listening this morning, because I can absolutely recite it even today: > Oh, one hen, two ducks, 3 squawking geese, 4 limerick oysters, 5 > corpulent porpoises, 6 pair of Don Alverso's tweezers, seven thousand > Macedonians in full battle array, 8 brass monkeys from the ancient > sacred crypts of Egypt, 9 apathetic sympathetic diabetic old men on > roller skates with a marked propensity for procrastination and sloth... > (deep breath!) TEEEEEN lyrical spherical diabolical denizens of the > deep who all haul around the corner of the quo of the quay of the > queasy at the very same time (toot toot) From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 21 20:51:28 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:51:50 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <1072056779.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000401c3c82e$1e3de710$7200a8c0@livingroom> Kevin: > > Didn't Dick get fired ar BZ for playing Sgt Pepper hours before the > official release? > I once drank a Dr. Pepper too close to opening a mic. Does that count? Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 21 20:53:34 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:53:46 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <000401c3c82e$1e3de710$7200a8c0@livingroom> References: <000401c3c82e$1e3de710$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <1072058020.3158C8B5@s29.dngr.org> Just admitting you drink Dr Pepper is cause for review On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 8:51pm, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Kevin: >> >> Didn't Dick get fired ar BZ for playing Sgt Pepper hours before the >> official release? >> > > I once drank a Dr. Pepper too close to opening a mic. Does that count? > > > Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Sun Dec 21 20:59:32 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun Dec 21 20:59:43 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <1072058020.3158C8B5@s29.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000601c3c82f$3ec48330$7200a8c0@livingroom> KV: > Just admitting you drink Dr Pepper is cause for review Could have been worse. Could have tried to sing the theme song. "Dr. Pepper. It all comes back to you." Nope, that's Boomerang, from Cartoon Network. Could be the genesis of an interesting string: Things that almost got you fired from a gig (or should have and you just sqeezed by....) Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Sun Dec 21 21:04:30 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun Dec 21 21:04:40 2003 Subject: Norm Prescott In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221202559.023cca80@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <3FE58FF1.27398.434DBD@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20031221202559.023cca80@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <1072058673.2E76D3E2@r5.dngr.org> He made a very nice income producing Sat morning cartoons for the networks. On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 8:32pm, Donna Halper wrote: > At 10:51 AM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> <<>> >> >> Norm Prescott was a popular deejay at WHDH 850AM in the late 1940's, on >> staff shows working with Bob and Ray, et al - later he was competing >> as a DJ >> for audience with WHDH's Bob Clayton when he went to WORL 950AM in the >> early >> 1950's. > > Ah yes, good old Norm, one of the original "Live Five" when WBZ radio > decided to drop NBC programming and go to real genuine disc jockeys in > 1956... Bill Marlowe was one of them too, although he didn't last at > WBZ very long. And if I recall, wasn't Norm involved in the payola > scandal? Russ is right-- he lives in LA, but some people have been in > contact with him, so he isn't totally reclusive. (Real name is Norman > Pransky, I believe...) From paul@03038.com Mon Dec 22 00:23:50 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon Dec 22 00:23:49 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <000601c3c82f$3ec48330$7200a8c0@livingroom> Message-ID: <004001c3c84b$db3cc080$0e87fea9@q0002> At least it's not "Moxie"....Yeeech! -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:00 PM To: 'Kevin Vahey'; 'Donna Halper'; Dan.Strassberg@att.net Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks KV: > Just admitting you drink Dr Pepper is cause for review Could have been worse. Could have tried to sing the theme song. "Dr. Pepper. It all comes back to you." Nope, that's Boomerang, from Cartoon Network. Could be the genesis of an interesting string: Things that almost got you fired from a gig (or should have and you just sqeezed by....) Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 01:26:04 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 22 01:26:12 2003 Subject: Norm Prescott In-Reply-To: <1072058673.2E76D3E2@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031222062604.74560.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > He made a very nice income producing Sat morning > cartoons for the > networks. Info on the many cartoons Norm Prescott co-produced ("The Archie Show", "Sabrina and the Groovie Ghoulies", "Fat Albert", etc.) Many if not all were for Filmation Studios: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0696123/ trivia: speaking of Archie-- the strip's creator, Bob Montana, based Riverdale on his hometown of Haverhill, so Riverdale High was really Haverhill High, folks! To this day, the Eagle-Tribune (which absorbed the Haverhill Gazette, IIRC) runs the strip under the title "Haverhill's Archie". From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 01:35:10 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 22 01:35:28 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221201846.023a0bc8@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <20031222063510.49093.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> > Nah, he didn't author it. It came from Vaudeville, > and was called the > Tibetan Memory Trick in later versions Flo and Eddie of Turtles and Zappa fame did a version of it on one of their albums: "Illegal, Immoral, and Fattening" (1975) contains: "Sanzini Brothers Return [With the Tibetan Memory Trick]". From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:24:30 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:24:39 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush's New England Radio Watch reports that WBOQ 104.9 Gloucester is now "North Shore 104.9"-- 60s and 70s oldies (no more standards/AC) with local news, etc. (Someone had asked further down on this board if WBOQ was going to change, IIRC...Looks like the rumor was true.) http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html I have it on right now...they're playing a song from the 60s or 70s I can't remember the title or artist ("Every day with you girl/Is sweeter than the day before...") Wow...in some ways I like this development but 'BOQ used to have some interesting standards/jazz. Now: an ad promoting a trip to Jamaica--from "the new North Shore 104.9" And now: Paul McCartney, "Take it Away"... The Turtles, "You Showed Me"... Simon Geller rolls over in his grave...again... From news@southstation.org Mon Dec 22 11:39:10 2003 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:39:55 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:25 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Cc: kd8gz@hotmail.com; busnrail@yahoo.com > Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies > > > I have it on right now...they're playing a song from > the 60s or 70s I can't remember the title or artist > ("Every day with you girl/Is sweeter than the day > before...") > The Classics IV, "Every Day With You Girl," from 1969. -Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.southstation.org AIM: lloverin55 ICQ: 254537301 Listen to All Christmas, All The Time now on the Hits of Yesterday at www.southstation.org/hitradio or www.live365.com/stations/lloverin The issues, the outrages, the subtlety on southstation.org's blog at www.southstation.org/blogger.html From rich@RichChadwick.com Mon Dec 22 11:42:07 2003 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:42:20 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200312221642.hBMGgBDZ033658@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> RacoonRadio waxed: >I have it on right now...they're playing a song from >the 60s or 70s I can't remember the title or artist >("Every day with you girl/Is sweeter than the day >before...") ---- Bob, Everyday with you Girl - Dennis Yost and the Classics IV. Philadelphia Freedom just ripped through - felt weird to hear it on that frequency with that air chain :) Sorry, Simon Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:51:02 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:51:10 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <20031222165102.27430.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> > Bob, > > Everyday with you Girl - Dennis Yost and the > Classics IV. Ah, right! Yep, that sounds like a Classics IV tune all right. They also played the Turtles' "You Showed Me"; ironic, as last night I mentioned "Flo and Eddie" of the Turtles on this list and felt the need to re-watch a video I have, a history of the Turtles...including that song. Philadelphia > Freedom just ripped through - felt weird to hear it > on that frequency with > that air chain :) > > Sorry, Simon Yeah... "W-Bach" to "W-Rock"? (Not exactly Judas Priest, to be sure, but not exactly Beethoven either. And not Sinatra. Wonder how many hundreds of angry phone calls are hitting a certain radio station's studios in North Beverly right now?) :) From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 22 11:58:06 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:58:27 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <200312221642.hBMGgBDZ033658@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200312221642.hBMGgBDZ033658@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1072112291.273440E2@r31.dngr.org> Any air checks of Simon floating around? We will never see his likes again. On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:54am, Rich Chadwick wrote: > > Sorry, Simon > From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 12:04:12 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:04:21 2003 Subject: WBOQ calls and "old format"... Message-ID: <20031222170412.97508.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Now that WBOQ has gone to a new format, I wonder: --Will they change their call letters? Maybe to something that's a variation of "North Shore". They'd probably love to have "WNSH" but of course Keating Willcox has them for his AM station; would they try to ask Keating if he'd raise any objections to re-branding WBOQ as "WNSH-FM"? (It would be weird, stations with same calls on AM and FM but different owners...) --Will some other station in town try the previous WBOQ format, trying to pick up that audience? I don't really listen to WPLM-FM, but is their sound right now similar to the standards WBOQ had in the past? And will they try to grab away the disillusioned WBOQ listeners? From dwcole@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 12:26:07 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:26:36 2003 Subject: WXGR Fire Message-ID: <000501c3c8b0$b31e1bc0$61f29318@HP310n> A slight correction to Scott's Northeast Radio Watch report on the fire that took WXGR-FM off the air last week. The fire was in Eliot, Maine, not Dover, NH...and it was in an old maintenance and restaurant building at the Littlebrook Airpark. The owner had donated space so the station could set things up. Dan Cole From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Dec 22 12:49:54 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:50:01 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <20031221193424.47161.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <20031221193424.47161.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200312221749.hBMHnsD1033979@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Some of those old national spots from the early '80s bring back > memories...L.A. Beer anyone? ...and living in Vermont at that time, some of the national spots seemed to be pretty bizarre, since so many of the advertisers never had any sort of presence in the state. -GAWollman From wnbp.radio@verizon.net Mon Dec 22 13:08:07 2003 From: wnbp.radio@verizon.net (Matt Stevens) Date: Mon Dec 22 13:08:18 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies References: <200312221642.hBMGgBDZ033658@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <005301c3c8b6$8fb65480$6801a8c0@programm> > Everyday with you Girl - Dennis Yost and the Classics IV. Philadelphia > Freedom just ripped through - felt weird to hear it on that frequency with > that air chain :) > Ya....sounds like they are running an Optimod 8100 set very conservatively and never touched since the classical format. They need more aggressive processing for their new format. From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:02:22 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:01:47 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <004001c3c84b$db3cc080$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <000601c3c82f$3ec48330$7200a8c0@livingroom> <004001c3c84b$db3cc080$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <51787.216.204.15.170.1072119742.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > At least it's not "Moxie"....Yeeech! > Hey! Watch it! At least if you're at a party with a Moxie you don't need to worry about setting it down and having somebody think it's theirs. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Dec 22 14:03:12 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:03:16 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <579466AE-3375-11D8-91F5-000393D13824@mindspring.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153853.0252c2f8@mail.mac.com> <579466AE-3375-11D8-91F5-000393D13824@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200312221903.hBMJ3Cax034361@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Larry Weil wrote: >> At 03:15 PM 12/20/2003, Bill O'Neill wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know why NECN is not carried on the Dish Network? >> >> Probably because it's half owned by a cable company. > More likely because Dish and DirecTV don't want to use up their scarce > transponder space on regional channels except for sports, which of I'm given to understand that Comcast considers NECN to have substantial marketing value (or at least its predecessor, AT&T, did), and will not permit DBS systems to offer it. -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:04:08 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:03:35 2003 Subject: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks In-Reply-To: <1072056779.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031221201846.023a0bc8@pop.registeredsite.com> <1072056779.1BD2E9D6@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <51806.216.204.15.170.1072119848.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > Didn't Dick get fired ar BZ for playing Sgt Pepper hours before the > official release? I don't think so. Dick didn't leave WBZ until the summer of '68...a full year after the release of Sgt. Pepper. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 22 14:06:56 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:07:07 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <51787.216.204.15.170.1072119742.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000601c3c8be$c83984a0$c3ec33d1@alvin> > > At least it's not "Moxie"....Yeeech! > > > > Hey! Watch it! > > At least if you're at a party with a Moxie you don't need to > worry about setting it down and having somebody think it's theirs. > Yes, but if you pick it back up after someone accidentally used your half empty drink as an ashtray, it tasted better. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:14:54 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:14:18 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51969.216.204.15.170.1072120494.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote... > And now: Paul McCartney, "Take it Away"... > The Turtles, "You Showed Me"... > Simon Geller rolls over in his grave...again... I read somewhere that Simon Geller did a classical format because the music was in the public domain and he didn't have to pay BMI/ASCAP fees, not out of any particular love for the music. Wasn't WVCA Top 40 for a spell in the 60s? From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:20:28 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:19:51 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <1072112291.273440E2@r31.dngr.org> References: <200312221642.hBMGgBDZ033658@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1072112291.273440E2@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <52004.216.204.15.170.1072120828.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Kevin Vahey wrote... > Any air checks of Simon floating around? > We will never see his likes again. Thankfully. While I don't have any airchecks of Simon, I do have a couple of a station (whose calls escape me right now) in a suburb of Erie, Pa. which was another one-man operation. James Brownyard was the owner's name...very weird station...a mix of really old-style country and long, unintelligible rants. I believe it was an AM/FM combo. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 22 14:19:52 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:21:02 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning References: <003301c3c0f4$b4b4b200$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <040801c3c8c0$b6c2c680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, now I KNOW that there is no reason for me to feel like an ass (at least about WBOQ's format flip). The flip took place a day earlier than predicted, but I didn't understand why it was rumored to be taking place on a Tuesday. WBOQ (North Shore 104.9, your good-time favorites station) is now just another birdfeed oldies station like how many others around here? Seems like, given that the flip did happen, if anyone should feel stupid about his post on this topic, it's you. I guess I'm supposed to be glad that at least they aren't playing rap. Just caught a promo that said that Jackie Ankeles, the woman who did middays under the old format will be doing middays under the new oldies format, so I guess I can't be sure how much of the programming will be birdfeed. I think her program was voicetracked before and will undoubtedly be voicetracked now. I believe that only the AM-drive show was done live. If the reason for the flip wasn't that oldies is available via satellite, whereas the unique blend of jazz renditions of pop standards by current artists isn't, and satellite is cheaper to program than voice-tracking, then I don't understand the reason for the flip. The old format definitely appealed to an upscale audience and the station had a good spot load to show for its efforts. So is this a personal thing with the new owner (he likes oldies? he likes owning a station that sounds like 3000 others around the country?) Maybe the problem was that the old format was too hard to explain to time buyers who can't hear the station. Maybe the new owner thinks that big-city-based time buyers will be more likely to make buys on a station whose format they understand. Does he REALLY think he can attract national buys to a Class A FM that can't be heard in most of the large market its service area abuts? That's clear thinking! As far as I could tell, WBOQ wasn't broken, so why try to to fix it? It still seems to me that it all boils down to greed. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vita To: 'Dan Strassberg' ; 'Eli Polonsky' Cc: 'Boston Radio Interest' Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > +1-978-538-7575 voice > +1-978-538-7550 fax > www.cssinc.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > > On Behalf Of Dan Strassberg > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:44 AM > > To: Eli Polonsky > > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > > Subject: Re: Maine's classical music radio network has been sold > > > > > > It's really too bad that somebody doesn't syndicate a format > > similar to the one BOQ has been running until now. Aside from > > WBOQ, the only place I know where one can pick up similar > > formats is on satellite radio. > > First of all, WBOQ was essentially MOYL with a bit of NAC thrown in. I > actually listened to the station for the first time in recent history last > week and was impressed with the sound but annoyed by the stopsets from hell. > They seemed to go on forever. > > > > I guess that the locally produced format (though voice tracked in many > > dayparts) was just too expensive for the greedy new owner > > (even though he is a member of the Tanger family). > > Given the fact that we really don't know what's being done and that all > that's being said is speculation, won't you feel like an ass if there are no > changes? > > > The people who really P!@# me off, though, are the > > ones who say "gee, I hope they switch to smooth jazz." What > > the H!@# is the matter with these idiots? What is it that > > bothers them about real (albeit, light) jazz with > > recognizable melodies? MUST the only "jazz" on commercial > > radio be Kenny G 24/7? > > > > Thirdly, Kenny G makes up very little of a smooth jazz rotation. Right now > on the NAC charts you'll find David Sanborn (known for more traditional > jazz), a number of covers of various Motown and R&B songs by Michael > McDonald, Lee Rittenour, George Benson, etc. What I hear on the smooth jazz > stations that I listen to when I travel and also off of XM is a strong lean > towards an upbeat Motown type sound. Take a look at this week's R&R chart: > > http://www.rronline.com/Charts/sj_Home.htm > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA > +1-978-538-7575 voice > +1-978-538-7550 fax > www.cssinc.com > > > From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:24:03 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:23:26 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <200312221749.hBMHnsD1033979@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <121020032055.22124.2843@comcast.net> <20031221193424.47161.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> <200312221749.hBMHnsD1033979@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52088.216.204.15.170.1072121043.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> GAWollman said: > > ...and living in Vermont at that time, some of the national spots > seemed to be pretty bizarre, since so many of the advertisers never had > any sort of presence in the state. > Not just Vt. but all/much of New England. In the late 80s I worked for a station that was a CBS affiliate & we had all sorts of network make goods we had to air. Lots for chain restaurants that had no New England presence. From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 22 14:24:04 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:24:31 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <200312221903.hBMJ3Cax034361@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031220153853.0252c2f8@mail.mac.com> <200312221903.hBMJ3Cax034361@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1072121047.3025661D@s5.dngr.org> And Comcast doesn't allow dish services access to their sports nets in the Mid Atlantic markets. On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 2:12pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Larry Weil wrote: > >>> At 03:15 PM 12/20/2003, Bill O'Neill wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know why NECN is not carried on the Dish Network? >>> >>> Probably because it's half owned by a cable company. > >> More likely because Dish and DirecTV don't want to use up their scarce >> transponder space on regional channels except for sports, which of > > I'm given to understand that Comcast considers NECN to have > substantial marketing value (or at least its predecessor, AT&T, did), > and will not permit DBS systems to offer it. > > -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 22 14:34:45 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 22 14:34:09 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning In-Reply-To: <040801c3c8c0$b6c2c680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <003301c3c0f4$b4b4b200$c3ec33d1@alvin> <040801c3c8c0$b6c2c680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <52388.216.204.15.170.1072121685.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > Just caught a promo that said that Jackie Ankeles, the woman who did > middays under the old format will be doing middays under the new oldies > format, so I guess I can't be sure how much of the programming will be > birdfeed. I think her program was voicetracked before and will > undoubtedly be voicetracked now. I believe that only the AM-drive show > was done live. If the reason for the flip wasn't that oldies is > available via satellite, whereas the unique blend of jazz renditions of > pop standards by current artists isn't, and satellite is cheaper to > program than voice-tracking, then I don't understand the reason for the > flip. Maybe the satellite is just temporary until the new library can be loaded into the automation? Maybe they'll use it overnights and/or weekends. Mid-days seems an odd format to originate locally if most of the station is birdfeed...you'd think PM drive would have a higher priority. The old format definitely appealed to an upscale audience and the > station had a good spot load to show for its efforts. So is this a > personal thing with the new owner (he likes oldies? he likes owning a > station that sounds like 3000 others around the country?) Maybe he likes a station that has marketing potential? > > Maybe the problem was that the old format was too hard to explain to > time buyers who can't hear the station. Maybe the new owner thinks that > big-city-based time buyers will be more likely to make buys on a station > whose format they understand. Does he REALLY think he can attract > national buys to a Class A FM that can't be heard in most of the large > market its service area abuts? That's clear thinking! As far as I could > tell, WBOQ wasn't broken, so why try to to fix it? It still seems to me > that it all boils down to greed. National buys? Not likely. My guess was, like you said he wanted a format that (1)appealed to a marketable demo and (2) could be explained to potential advertisers in 25 words or less. Hey, it's his station, he can do whatever he wants with it. I doubt greed had anything to do with it. Chill, Dan...we've all had stations that we liked change format. Often times both listeners had the radio on at the same time. From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 22 15:55:46 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:55:49 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <000601c3c8be$c83984a0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <000701c3c8cd$f9582460$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Yes, but if you pick it back up after someone accidentally > used your half > empty drink as an ashtray, it tasted better. > > Brian T. Vita, President No butts about it. How about Tab. That has to be as challenging a taste. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 22 15:57:40 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:57:39 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <52088.216.204.15.170.1072121043.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> > Not just Vt. but all/much of New England. In the late 80s I > worked for a > station that was a CBS affiliate & we had all sorts of > network make goods > we had to air. Lots for chain restaurants that had no New England > presence. I recall in the 80s having to delete any State Farm spots from the ABC inventory that may have fed since they were not licensed in Mass. Bill O'Neill From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Mon Dec 22 15:59:48 2003 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:00:38 2003 Subject: it's a sales problem References: <003301c3c0f4$b4b4b200$c3ec33d1@alvin> <040801c3c8c0$b6c2c680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <003d01c3c8ce$89c1bf20$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> > wasn't broken, so why try to to fix it? It still seems to me that it all boils down to greed> I'm assuming the format change was made because of poor advertising revenues. The station doesn't have the coverage to ever be a full-market station...so, they have to sell it as a North Shore station to local, "direct" advertisers/business owners. I'll bet the format was sacrificed because the owners didn't know how to teach salespeople how to sell advertising on the station. Oh, so typical. (I'm a radio ad salesman for a rock station FM/standards AM...I know the drill on both sides of the dial!). From scott@fybush.com Mon Dec 22 16:15:28 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:10:07 2003 Subject: WVCA and Simon Geller In-Reply-To: <200312222100.hBML0fxO012194@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031222161229.02ce20d8@gwind.pair.com> At 04:00 PM 12/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: >While I don't have any airchecks of Simon, I do have a couple of a station >(whose calls escape me right now) in a suburb of Erie, Pa. which was >another one-man operation. James Brownyard was the owner's name...very >weird station...a mix of really old-style country and long, unintelligible >rants. I believe it was an AM/FM combo. Ah yes, the legendary WHYP, North East, Pa. (which was, of course, nowhere near Northeast PA, but was in northeastern Erie County, PA, right on the NY line.) I remember driving through that area in the mid-80s and hearing WHYP - 'twas not at all uncommon to hear the needle get stuck at the end of an album side for long stretches of time, among other things. Bad radio at its finest, and I would LOVE to hear those airchecks. James Brownyard died some years back, the FM (100.9) is now doing classic rock for Erie as WRKT, "Rocket 100," and the daytime AM (1530) is now WEYZ (an old Erie call), simulcasting classic country or something like that from WWCB 1370 Corry PA over a bad phone line. "James Brownyard" and "WHYP" live on, I'm told, as a frequently-heard pirate station on shortwave, with programming that includes the occasional aircheck of the real WHYP... s From ssmyth@psu.edu Mon Dec 22 17:02:37 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:02:54 2003 Subject: WVCA and Simon Geller Message-ID: <200312222202.RAA10722@webmail5.cac.psu.edu> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:15:28, Scott Fybush wrote: > Ah yes, the legendary WHYP, North East, Pa. (which was, of course, nowhere > near Northeast PA, but was in northeastern Erie County, PA, right on the NY > line.) For those not familiar with their PA geography, North East is in the northwesternmost corner of the state! Did my cross country drive 4 years ago and was wondering what the heck I was listening to ... and I'm thinking, how could an upper-band AM from the other end of PA be heard in western N.Y.? PA has some interesting community names, contradictory and otherwise. I'm surprised no one ever applied for a license in Lancaster County using Blue Ball, Paradise, Bird-in-Hand or Intercourse as the COL. From rich@RichChadwick.com Mon Dec 22 17:45:46 2003 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:45:53 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning In-Reply-To: <52388.216.204.15.170.1072121685.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312222245.hBMMjmDZ035745@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> >>Maybe the satellite is just temporary until the new library can be loaded >>into the automation? Guys, The random spot breaks and the fact that only one holiday song played all day leads me to believe this inst a nationally syndicated satellite feed. If those two reasons aren't enough, I have five words: "Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders" ... You can't even find that in an elevator or on-hold these days. Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 22 17:54:52 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:49:34 2003 Subject: it's a sales problem Message-ID: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> "Tim Davisson" wrote: >I'll bet the format was sacrificed because the owners didn't know how >to teach salespeople how to sell advertising on the station. Oh, so >typical. Beg pardon - but "why, back where I come from" a salesman is supposed to KNOW how to sell. Why should an owner have to teach salespeople? From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 22 17:56:10 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:50:51 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning Message-ID: <200312221756.AA2319646758@mail.ttlc.net> "Rich Chadwick" wrote: > I have five words: >"Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders" > >... You can't even find that in an elevator or on-hold these days. True in the US. In Canada, can't get away from it. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 17:56:17 2003 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:56:26 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning In-Reply-To: <200312222245.hBMMjmDZ035745@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c3c8de$cee2f0a0$6600a8c0@AMD> I heard the same song played within a half hour today, that seems like a problem that would come right from WBOQ, not a satellite format. Also, if it was a satellite format, there would be DJs. I haven't heard any, has anyone else? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Rich Chadwick Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:46 PM To: 'SteveOrdinetz'; boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats;it happened this morning >>Maybe the satellite is just temporary until the new library can be loaded >>into the automation? Guys, The random spot breaks and the fact that only one holiday song played all day leads me to believe this inst a nationally syndicated satellite feed. If those two reasons aren't enough, I have five words: "Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders" ... You can't even find that in an elevator or on-hold these days. Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From dwcole@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 18:28:09 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Mon Dec 22 18:28:27 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) References: <000601c3c8be$c83984a0$c3ec33d1@alvin> Message-ID: <000e01c3c8e3$42c76100$61f29318@HP310n> > > At least if you're at a party with a Moxie you don't need to > > worry about setting it down and having somebody think it's theirs. > > > Yes, but if you pick it back up after someone accidentally used your half > empty drink as an ashtray, it tasted better. > I find it useful to disinfect cuts and scrapes...if I can't find the hydrogen peroxide!! Dan From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Mon Dec 22 19:36:43 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Mon Dec 22 19:31:23 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) Message-ID: <200312221936.AA2478113002@mail.ttlc.net> "Dan C" shortled: >I find it useful to disinfect cuts and scrapes...if I can't find the >hydrogen peroxide!! Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally compounded by a Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives is bouquet from the Gentian Root which was also the basis for Gentian Violet - a vivid purple liquid compound used to treat canker sores on the gums. It has probably fallen into disuse since the late 50's/early 60's. From wftn@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 21:26:34 2003 From: wftn@comcast.net (wftn@comcast.net) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:26:49 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <122320030226.437.7763@comcast.net> Actually Paul McCartney's "Take It Away" came out in 1982. You never hear that on any oldies station especially on a birdfeed. Good selection for a McCartney tune! Gary Ford Music Director WFTN-FM >> And now: Paul McCartney, "Take it Away"... > The Turtles, "You Showed Me"... > Simon Geller rolls over in his grave...again... > > From engineer@the-spa.com Mon Dec 22 22:04:03 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:03:49 2003 Subject: New England Cable News References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <005e01c3c901$6c758fe0$44fa71d1@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" Subject: Re: New England Cable News > Well, maybe you and I are watching different NECNs. The one I watch has > some very credible news anchors like R.D. Sahl and former channel 5 (WCVB) > anchor Chet Curtis, as well as political commentary from both the left and > the right, excellent sports reporters, and solid coverage of New England > issues. On the weekends and later in the evening, yes it becomes rather > magazine-like, but in prime time, I have found it often offers more > thorough coverage and longer pieces than the other local channels. And > during the Red Sox' abortive run for the pennant, their two main sports > anchors were every bit as good as those on the better known stations. I'd > be sorry if Comcast pulled the plug on them. Strong points for New England Cable News: The anchors and reporters. They all do an outstanding job, and personally from my own experience I prefer to see someone more expeirenced anchoring than a "fly by nighter". Another strong point is they do seem very fair in their political coverage, more fair than what you see on other area stations. The weak points for New England Cable News: Their weather is just awful. I know they are trying to cover all of new england, but a 5 day forcast? It's a Boston area five day, not a new england one. We all know the climate in Presque Isle, ME is very different than that in Bridgeport, CT. The weather people either also are trying to have too much personality that they don't have or are being consulted to death. Another point is , they really are a Boston oriented channel. VERY rarely do you see news from Northern Vermont, NH or Maine. Same deal with CT and even here in Western Massachusetts. They tend to cover more national news and less New England news. I assume they feel the ticker at the bottom makes up for this, although I don't think it does. The other and final "grudge" I have is their poor master control/tape room operations. I have never seen a station that has so many different levels between commercials, (commercial A is about 3-5db higher than B, etc...), how many spots do they have that the video is clipping on, because it was ingested too hot, or audio so badly distorted that you can barely understand it. Maybe being a former master controller and now an engineer, I am being too picky about how it looks on the air, but I'll bet others on here have seen the same thing. --Mike Fitzpatrick From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 22 22:09:43 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:09:53 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: At 3:57 PM -0500 12/22/03, Bill O'Neill wrote: > >I recall in the 80s having to delete any State Farm spots from the >ABC inventory >that may have fed since they were not licensed in Mass. > At Ch 7 we cover Allstate spots in NBC programming. Problem is, sometimes they change the commercial line-up, but fail to send us new timings unless the times for the local breaks change. So, sometimes one gets through, and we wind up covering whatever is put into the position that was originally supposed to be Allstate. It's especially difficult in live programming, such as sports, where they often change the lineup as it airs. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Dec 22 22:12:17 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:12:24 2003 Subject: it's a sales problem In-Reply-To: <003d01c3c8ce$89c1bf20$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> References: <003301c3c0f4$b4b4b200$c3ec33d1@alvin> <040801c3c8c0$b6c2c680$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <003d01c3c8ce$89c1bf20$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: At 3:59 PM -0500 12/22/03, Tim Davisson wrote: > > wasn't broken, so why try to to fix it? It still seems to me that it all >boils down to greed> > >I'm assuming the format change was made because of poor advertising >revenues. > At the head of every assumption..... From what I could tell, they were pretty much sold-out, although I won't assume anything about what price the spots were going for. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 22 22:15:04 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:15:22 2003 Subject: New England Cable News In-Reply-To: <005e01c3c901$6c758fe0$44fa71d1@oemcomputer> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031220131132.02328930@pop.registeredsite.com> <005e01c3c901$6c758fe0$44fa71d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1072149308.2A15ABF0@w5.dngr.org> Those problems could be from your systems headend. *local breaks* Comcast Cambridgehas been brutal as of late on TNT On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:11pm, Fitzpatrick, Mike wrote: that has so many different > levels between commercials, (commercial A is about 3-5db higher than B, > etc...), how many spots do they have that the video is clipping on, > because > it was ingested too hot, or audio so badly distorted that you can > barely > understand it. Maybe being a former master controller and now an > engineer, I > am being too picky about how it looks on the air, but I'll bet others > on > here have seen the same thing. > > --Mike Fitzpatrick From markwats@comcast.net Mon Dec 22 22:29:09 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:29:03 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme References: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <006a01c3c904$edad0fe0$64f88018@markscomputer> Bill O'Neill wrote: > I recall in the 80s having to delete any State Farm spots from the ABC >inventory that may have fed since they were not licensed in Mass. Ditto when I was at WHAV back in the mid 80's, when they were running Satellite Music Network's AC format overnights and most of the weekend, it seems State Farm had network spots every hour. A pain to say the least, as we didn't have network spot logs handy to clue us in. If we heard the State Farm spot strt to run, we were supposed to pot down the network and cover with a PSA. But since we didn't have a network spot log in the studio, one didn't know if it was a :30 or a :60. Mark Watson (Like a good neighbor......) From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Mon Dec 22 22:32:49 2003 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:33:40 2003 Subject: of course! References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004801c3c905$7174b800$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> > Beg pardon - but "why, back where I come from" a salesman is supposed to KNOW how to sell. Why should an owner have to teach salespeople?> I've been on the sales side of radio since 1983 and sales training has been part of my career from my 1st job. Help has ALWAYS been there from management/ownership. It's assumed most salespeople know HOW to sell, they just have to understand WHAT they're selling...the lifestyle of a particular format's listeners...the type of businesses they should be calling on, and so forth. Teaching that is part of modern sales training. It is naive to think a radio or TV station can hire a sales staff...throw them a stack of business cards and a rate card and say "go get 'em tiger". That mentality is 20+ years out of date. Smart owners know they will net the lion's share of advertising sales profits if their sales crew is as well-preparred and successful as possible! That's just smart business. From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Mon Dec 22 22:38:16 2003 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:39:15 2003 Subject: no offense but...duh!!! Message-ID: <006601c3c906$33ea84a0$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Davisson" To: "Larry Weil" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: no offense but...duh!!! > > Tim Davisson said: > > >I'm assuming the format change was made because of poor advertising > revenues.> > > Larry Weil said: > > At the head of every assumption.....From what I could tell, they were > pretty much sold-out, although I won't assume anything about what price the > spots were going for. Larry Weil> > > > Wouldn't you think "poor advertising revenues" might be a code word for a > station (or format) that's "under producing" revenue levels? Ahem! > > > > From mlaurence@mindspring.com Mon Dec 22 22:59:37 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Mon Dec 22 22:59:42 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning Message-ID: <6CE340C6-34FC-11D8-B99F-000393D13824@mindspring.com> On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 05:45 PM, Rich Chadwick wrote: > this inst a nationally syndicated satellite feed. > If those two reasons aren't enough, I have five words: > > "Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders" > > ... You can't even find that in an elevator or on-hold these days. It's in the top 500 most played oldies list for 2003. Mark From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 22 23:10:15 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:11:19 2003 Subject: Speaking of WNEU Message-ID: <1072152670.2AE51CDE@r31.dngr.org> What ever happened to Waxy Donna? He was running WNRI in Woonsocket for a few years, a station hat in the 70's still didn't have cart machines, but a dicabelt system by Gates. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 22 23:13:38 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:14:21 2003 Subject: WBOQ calls and "old format"... In-Reply-To: <20031222170412.97508.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FE77AA2.14192.4F05C76@localhost> On 22 Dec 2003 at 9:04, Bob Nelson wrote: > Now that WBOQ has gone to a new format, I wonder: > > --Will they change their call letters? Maybe to > something that's a variation of "North Shore". > They'd probably love to have "WNSH" but of course > Keating Willcox has them for his AM station; > would they try to ask Keating if he'd raise any > objections to re-branding WBOQ as "WNSH-FM"? (It > would be weird, stations with same calls on AM and > FM but different owners...) I wonder whether any station has "WVCA." -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 22 23:13:38 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:14:37 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> References: <52088.216.204.15.170.1072121043.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FE77AA2.32118.4F05CD4@localhost> On 22 Dec 2003 at 15:57, Bill O'Neill wrote: > I recall in the 80s having to delete any State Farm spots from the ABC > inventory that may have fed since they were not licensed in Mass. I wonder what they did in the mid-60s, when State Farm sponsor the Jack Benny Show. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawyer@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 22 23:13:38 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:14:48 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <200312221936.AA2478113002@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <3FE77AA2.31207.4F05D56@localhost> On 22 Dec 2003 at 19:36, rogerkirk wrote: > Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally compounded by a > Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives is bouquet from the Gentian > Root which was also the basis for Gentian Violet - a vivid purple liquid > compound used to treat canker sores on the gums. It has probably fallen > into disuse since the late 50's/early 60's. Hey, I remember using it in the 50s. Awful stuff! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 22 23:49:44 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:50:57 2003 Subject: of course! References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> <004801c3c905$7174b800$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, WBOQ was obviously targeting the Volvo set and was apparently doing it very successfully. The MANY spots were clearly targeted at the sensibilities of an upscale suburban audience that would appreciate the unique--and in my opinion, wonderful--selection of music. I figure that the new format basically targets the folks who live in (and keep setting fire to) the rooming houses in Lynn. Remember? Lynn, Lynn, city of sin; you won't get out the way that you came in. THAT Lynn. As Larry Weil said, unless they were giving away spots (Ed note: or unless somebody had his hand in the till), the station must have been making money. Somebody in ownership or management is trying to be a hero and will wind up the same sort of hero as the person who flipped 95.7 in Philadelphia from classical. From what I've read, in half a dozen years (and at least three formats) since that flip, the station has NEVER equaled its ratings as a classical station (and reportedly has never billed more than half of what it used to bill). And remember, classical is not expensive to program because it's not a personality-driven format, so talent costs are modest. However, it was conventional wisdom that classical couldn't make money. I guess this isn't news, but the US radio industry (or at least radio-industry management) seems to be populated by some of the dumbest conformist suits on the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but how can one not be continually astounded by the herd mentality? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Davisson To: ; Dan Strassberg ; Brian Vita Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: of course! > > > Beg pardon - but "why, back where I come from" a salesman is supposed to > KNOW how to sell. Why should an owner have to teach salespeople?> > > I've been on the sales side of radio since 1983 and sales training has been > part of my career from my 1st job. Help has ALWAYS been there from > management/ownership. > > It's assumed most salespeople know HOW to sell, they just have to understand > WHAT they're selling...the lifestyle of a particular format's > listeners...the type of businesses they should be calling on, and so forth. > Teaching that is part of modern sales training. > > It is naive to think a radio or TV station can hire a sales staff...throw > them a stack of business cards and a rate card and say "go get 'em tiger". > That mentality is 20+ years out of date. Smart owners know they will net > the lion's share of advertising sales profits if their sales crew is as > well-preparred and successful as possible! That's just smart business. > > From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Mon Dec 22 23:53:07 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon Dec 22 23:53:10 2003 Subject: no offense but...duh!!! In-Reply-To: <006601c3c906$33ea84a0$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> References: <006601c3c906$33ea84a0$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <200312230453.hBN4r72q037229@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> A little more courtesy would be appreciated, folks. I don't want to have to suspend anyone's posting privileges. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 23 00:02:09 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:02:20 2003 Subject: it's a sales problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c3c911$ee849840$535eb4a6@toshiba2805> > > > >I'm assuming the format change was made because of poor advertising > >revenues. > > > > At the head of every assumption..... > When I started listening to to them two weeks ago their spot load seemed especially heavy. If this was the norm I'd say that sales wasn't the problem. If this was last minute "make-goods" before the format change, then it's a different story. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:08:14 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:08:30 2003 Subject: of course! In-Reply-To: <002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> <002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <1072156101.2D49B8BD@s5.dngr.org> The problem is 104.9 can't hold commuters coming into Boston. You hit Saugus and WRBB starts coming in. On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:54pm, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, WBOQ was obviously targeting the Volvo set and was apparently > doing it > very successfully. The MANY spots were clearly targeted at the > sensibilities > of an upscale suburban audience that would appreciate the unique--and > in my > opinion, wonderful--selection of music. I figure that the new format > basically targets the folks who live in (and keep setting fire to) the > rooming houses in Lynn. Remember? Lynn, Lynn, city of sin; you won't > get out > the way that you came in. THAT Lynn. > > As Larry Weil said, unless they were giving away spots (Ed note: or > unless > somebody had his hand in the till), the station must have been making > money. > Somebody in ownership or management is trying to be a hero and will > wind up > the same sort of hero as the person who flipped 95.7 in Philadelphia > from > classical. From what I've read, in half a dozen years (and at least > three > formats) since that flip, the station has NEVER equaled its ratings as > a > classical station (and reportedly has never billed more than half of > what it > used to bill). And remember, classical is not expensive to program > because > it's not a personality-driven format, so talent costs are modest. > However, > it was conventional wisdom that classical couldn't make money. > > I guess this isn't news, but the US radio industry (or at least > radio-industry management) seems to be populated by some of the dumbest > conformist suits on the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but > how > can one not be continually astounded by the herd mentality? > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net > eFax 707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Davisson > To: ; Dan Strassberg ; > Brian Vita > Cc: Boston Radio Interest > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 PM > Subject: of course! > > >> >> > Beg pardon - but "why, back where I come from" a salesman is >> supposed to >> KNOW how to sell. Why should an owner have to teach salespeople?> >> >> I've been on the sales side of radio since 1983 and sales training has > been >> part of my career from my 1st job. Help has ALWAYS been there from >> management/ownership. >> >> It's assumed most salespeople know HOW to sell, they just have to > understand >> WHAT they're selling...the lifestyle of a particular format's >> listeners...the type of businesses they should be calling on, and so > forth. >> Teaching that is part of modern sales training. >> >> It is naive to think a radio or TV station can hire a sales >> staff...throw >> them a stack of business cards and a rate card and say "go get 'em >> tiger". >> That mentality is 20+ years out of date. Smart owners know they will >> net >> the lion's share of advertising sales profits if their sales crew is >> as >> well-preparred and successful as possible! That's just smart business. >> >> From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 23 00:11:35 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:11:43 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <200312221936.AA2478113002@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <000501c3c913$3f6dade0$535eb4a6@toshiba2805> > >I find it useful to disinfect cuts and scrapes...if I can't find the > >hydrogen peroxide!! > > Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally > compounded by a Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives > is bouquet from the Gentian Root which was also the basis for > Gentian Violet - a vivid purple liquid compound used to treat > canker sores on the gums. It has probably fallen into disuse > since the late 50's/early 60's. > > Great idea! What's next? Viagra flavored Coke? Pepsi with Prozac? Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:32:02 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:32:15 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <000501c3c913$3f6dade0$535eb4a6@toshiba2805> References: <000501c3c913$3f6dade0$535eb4a6@toshiba2805> Message-ID: <1072157526.ED4CF84@s5.dngr.org> Moxie strangly enough was one of the few things that Ted Williams ever endorsed when he played for the Sox. He actually did radio spots for them On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:16am, Brian Vita wrote: > >> >I find it useful to disinfect cuts and scrapes...if I can't find the >> >hydrogen peroxide!! >> >> Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally >> compounded by a Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives >> is bouquet from the Gentian Root which was also the basis for >> Gentian Violet - a vivid purple liquid compound used to treat >> canker sores on the gums. It has probably fallen into disuse >> since the late 50's/early 60's. >> >> > Great idea! What's next? Viagra flavored Coke? Pepsi with Prozac? > > Brian T. Vita, President > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 23 00:39:37 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Dec 23 00:39:47 2003 Subject: of course! In-Reply-To: <1072156101.2D49B8BD@s5.dngr.org> References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> <002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1072156101.2D49B8BD@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: At 9:08 PM -0800 12/22/03, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The problem is 104.9 can't hold commuters coming into Boston. You >hit Saugus and WRBB starts coming in. Changing the format to one that already exists in Boston (at least after Dec 26) won't change that. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 03:11:54 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 23 03:12:27 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <122320030226.437.7763@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20031223081154.72973.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- wftn@comcast.net wrote: > Actually Paul McCartney's "Take It Away" came out in > 1982. You never hear that on any oldies station > especially on a birdfeed. Good selection for a > McCartney tune! Agreed! Like WODS, I guess they're doing the occasional 80s tune. Tonight I heard them play Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder's "Ebony and Ivory" (also from '82). From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 07:04:33 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue Dec 23 07:12:11 2003 Subject: of course! References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net><002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <1072156101.2D49B8BD@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <031e01c3c94d$38c05760$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > The problem is 104.9 can't hold commuters coming into Boston. You hit > Saugus and WRBB starts coming in. Like a typical suburban station, WCAV, WATD, WHOB, etc. From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Dec 23 07:24:17 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Dec 23 07:15:48 2003 Subject: WBOQ calls and "old format"... In-Reply-To: <20031222170412.97508.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/22/03 12:04 PM, "Bob Nelson" wrote: > Now that WBOQ has gone to a new format, I wonder: > > --Will some other station in town try the previous > WBOQ format, trying to pick up that audience? I don't > really listen to WPLM-FM, but is their sound right > now similar to the standards WBOQ had in the past? > And will they try to grab away the disillusioned > WBOQ listeners? No, the old (recent) WBOQ format was Jazz Standards, not Adult Standards (40's/50's/60's pop). WPLM-FM plays very few actual Jazz Standards like what WBOQ was playing. The new WBOQ format actually sounds more similar to WPLM-FM now than their old one. WPLM-FM now also plays a lot more "soft oldies" of the 50's, 60's and 70's than actual Adult (pop) Standards these days. Many formats that were known as "Adult Standards", such as WPLM-FM, are now gradually moving more toward 50's/60's/70's "soft oldies". When the Christmas music is over, check out the satellite services on WXKS-AM 1430 or WESX 1230 - WJDA 1300 and you'll hear what I mean. Meanwhile, Bob Bittner is managing to carve out a niche for WJIB 740 by adding a lot of the true Adult Standard pop vocalists and crooners of the 40's/50's/60's that are being dropped by mainstream "Adult Standards" stations nowadays. Eli Polonsky From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Dec 23 07:40:29 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue Dec 23 07:31:58 2003 Subject: No more questions about WBOQ flipping formats; it happened this morning Message-ID: On 12/22/03 5:45 PM, "Rich Chadwick" wrote: > Guys, > > The random spot breaks and the fact that only one holiday song played > all day leads me to believe this inst a nationally syndicated satellite > feed. If those two reasons aren't enough, I have five words: > > "Sweet City Woman - The Stampeders" > > ... You can't even find that in an elevator or on-hold these days. That song was still in fairly frequent rotation on WODS before they went Christmas music. Expect it to be back in a few days. It's still played on most Oldies stations, including some that can be heard in the Boston area from RI and NH such as WWBB and WQLL. It shows up on some soft AC formats too, especially the ones that are mostly soft oldies (WPLM-FM, maybe even WXKS-AM, etc...) Eli Polonsky From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 23 07:34:33 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 23 07:34:44 2003 Subject: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) In-Reply-To: <1072157526.ED4CF84@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <000201c3c951$2293c770$0a5db4a6@toshiba2805> It must have been before the invention of Ben Gay. Bet it worked better too. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@tmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:32 AM > To: brian_vita@cssinc.com; rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net; > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org; Dan C > Subject: RE: Moxie (was RE: Dick Summer WBZ-- One Hen Two Ducks) > > > Moxie strangly enough was one of the few things that Ted > Williams ever > endorsed when he played for the Sox. > > He actually did radio spots for them > > > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:16am, Brian Vita wrote: > > > >> >I find it useful to disinfect cuts and scrapes...if I can't find > >> the >hydrogen peroxide!! > >> > >> Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally > >> compounded by a Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives is > >> bouquet from the Gentian Root which was also the basis for > Gentian > >> Violet - a vivid purple liquid compound used to treat > canker sores > >> on the gums. It has probably fallen into disuse since the late > >> 50's/early 60's. > >> > >> > > Great idea! What's next? Viagra flavored Coke? Pepsi with Prozac? > > > > Brian T. Vita, President > > Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. > > 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 > > Peabody, MA 01960-5691 > > (978)538-7575/Fax (978)538-7550 > From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 23 07:59:39 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 23 07:58:30 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <006a01c3c904$edad0fe0$64f88018@markscomputer> References: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223075711.00a9d070@pop3.bit-net.com> Mark Watson wrote: > > Ditto when I was at WHAV back in the mid 80's, when they were running >Satellite Music Network's AC format overnights and most of the weekend, it >seems State Farm had network spots every hour. A pain to say the least, as >we didn't have network spot logs handy to clue us in. If we heard the State >Farm spot strt to run, we were supposed to pot down the network and cover >with a PSA. But since we didn't have a network spot log in the studio, one >didn't know if it was a :30 or a :60. Not to ask a stupid question, but why can't you run State Farm or Allstate commercials in Mass? Does the state ban insurance company advertising? From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 23 08:10:41 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:09:33 2003 Subject: of course! In-Reply-To: <002e01c3c910$4aecd2c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net> <004801c3c905$7174b800$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223080150.00aa1ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: >Well, WBOQ was obviously targeting the Volvo set and was apparently doing it >very successfully. The MANY spots were clearly targeted at the sensibilities >of an upscale suburban audience that would appreciate the unique--and in my >opinion, wonderful--selection of music. I figure that the new format >basically targets the folks who live in (and keep setting fire to) the >rooming houses in Lynn. Huh? I've never lived in Lynn and have no idea who does live there, but since when does an oldies format specifically target low lifes? If WBOQ was very successful targeting the Volvo crowd, my guess is that it would be still doing what it was. More likely if the studio monitor was turned down they lost half their audience, and if you weren't listening there went the other half. Most people I know who drive expensive foreign cars like Volvos don't listen to big bands/standards. Maybe that was part of the problem? >I guess this isn't news, but the US radio industry (or at least >radio-industry management) seems to be populated by some of the dumbest >conformist suits on the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but how >can one not be continually astounded by the herd mentality? Not to mentioning trying to reach an audience that isn't particularly interested in "unique" formats. No matter how "wonderful" a format is, if there's no one in the coverage area that wants to hear it, you're gonna fail. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 23 08:13:28 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:12:22 2003 Subject: Moxie In-Reply-To: <200312221936.AA2478113002@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223081139.00a9cec0@pop3.bit-net.com> rogerkirk wrote: >" >Actually, you're not too far afield. Moxie was originally compounded by a >Medical Doctor (from Maine IIRC) and derives is bouquet from the Gentian >Root which was also the basis for Gentian Violet - a vivid purple liquid >compound used to treat canker sores on the gums. It has probably fallen >into disuse since the late 50's/early 60's. It must work. I've been known to drink it from time to time, and I've never had a canker sore on my gums. Now if it only prevented cold sores on your lips. :-/ From sid@wrko.com Tue Dec 23 08:05:30 2003 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:34:03 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) Message-ID: >>why can't you run State Farm or Allstate commercials in Mass? Does the state ban insurance company advertising?<< I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there was no point in running their ads. Sid Schweiger MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 23 08:48:45 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:49:24 2003 Subject: of course! References: <200312221754.AA2341077308@mail.ttlc.net><004801c3c905$7174b800$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031223080150.00aa1ec0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <004b01c3c95b$87e45180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WBOQ DID NOT do Big Bands!!! That was the beauty of it. The songs were standards, but the artists were current, mostly jazz, artists. It was a blend of (pardon the expression) a smooth jazz presentation and standards content. Instead of the junk that typical smooth jazz stations play (no discernible melody, saxophone lead in EVERY cut), it was an eclectic combination of recognizable, melodic music and up-and-coming artists. Just the idea that talented people are out there still recording that incredible material--much of it with vocals of urbane, literate lyrics by the likes of Ira Gershwin, Cole Porter, and many others--is an inspiration. Unfortunately, that material is no longer on the air--here or anywhere else that I know of--except maybe on XM and Sirius. But your response perfectly encapsulates the kind of conformist thinking I wrote about. You had never heard the station and yet you KNEW--just KNEW--what WBOQ was doing. And you were absolutely, 100% WRONG! Clearly, you are ready to be a Vice President (at least) at some major group owner. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: SteveOrdinetz To: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: of course! > Dan Strassberg wrote: > >Well, WBOQ was obviously targeting the Volvo set and was apparently doing it > >very successfully. The MANY spots were clearly targeted at the sensibilities > >of an upscale suburban audience that would appreciate the unique--and in my > >opinion, wonderful--selection of music. I figure that the new format > >basically targets the folks who live in (and keep setting fire to) the > >rooming houses in Lynn. > > > Huh? I've never lived in Lynn and have no idea who does live there, but > since when does an oldies format specifically target low lifes? If WBOQ > was very successful targeting the Volvo crowd, my guess is that it would be > still doing what it was. More likely if the studio monitor was turned down > they lost half their audience, and if you weren't listening there went the > other half. Most people I know who drive expensive foreign cars like > Volvos don't listen to big bands/standards. Maybe that was part of the > problem? > > > >I guess this isn't news, but the US radio industry (or at least > >radio-industry management) seems to be populated by some of the dumbest > >conformist suits on the planet. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but how > >can one not be continually astounded by the herd mentality? > > > Not to mentioning trying to reach an audience that isn't particularly > interested in "unique" formats. No matter how "wonderful" a format is, if > there's no one in the coverage area that wants to hear it, you're gonna fail. > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 23 08:52:31 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:52:56 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) References: Message-ID: <005301c3c95c$0c492400$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I've had my auto and homeowners policies with State Farm since 1973. When I started with them, their Massachusetts office was in Wellesley. It very soon moved to Natick, then to Framingham, and now it's in (I believe) Southborough. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sid Schweiger To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) > >>why can't you run State Farm or Allstate commercials in Mass? Does the state ban insurance company advertising?<< > > I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there was no point in running their ads. > > > > Sid Schweiger > MIS Manager, Entercom Boston LLC > WAAF - WEEI - WQSX - WRKO - WVEI > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > > From beckwith@ime.net Tue Dec 23 09:11:48 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Tue Dec 23 09:24:09 2003 Subject: Report: corroded anchors may have caused tower collapse Message-ID: <024a01c3c960$66263810$b020a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/031223tower1.shtml From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Tue Dec 23 10:11:56 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Tue Dec 23 10:12:34 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) Message-ID: <3FE85B3C.85BA958C@Programmer.Net> Sid Schweiger wrote, > I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm > guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one > was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there > was no point in running their ads. But isn't that the case with GEIKO (not licensed in MA)? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 23 10:39:14 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 23 10:39:27 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <3FE85B3C.85BA958C@Programmer.Net> References: <3FE85B3C.85BA958C@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: <1072193959.129E3209@r5.dngr.org> Until these companies can set their own rates, they will not come here. Actually it helps the companies in their attempt to lobby for the rules to be changed to run the adds and have angry consumers find out why they can't get those products n Mass. On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24am, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Sid Schweiger wrote, > >> I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm >> guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one >> was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there >> was no point in running their ads. > > But isn't that the case with GEIKO (not licensed in MA)? > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html > ---------- > Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 23 11:15:31 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Dec 23 11:15:38 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223075711.00a9d070@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <000901c3c8ce$3d2726a0$9f00a8c0@boneill> <5.1.0.14.0.20031223075711.00a9d070@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: At 7:59 AM -0500 12/23/03, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > >Not to ask a stupid question, but why can't you run State Farm or >Allstate commercials in Mass? >Does the state ban insurance company advertising? No, it's because those companies don't sell in Massachusetts anymore. It's at the request of the companies that their advertising not air in Mass.. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 23 11:28:51 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Dec 23 11:28:56 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <3FE85B3C.85BA958C@Programmer.Net> References: <3FE85B3C.85BA958C@Programmer.Net> Message-ID: At 3:11 PM +0000 12/23/03, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: >Sid Schweiger wrote, > >> I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm >> guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one >> was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there >> was no point in running their ads. > >But isn't that the case with GEIKO (not licensed in MA)? AFAIK, Geico has not asked to have their ads removed. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rdavisson@neo.rr.com Tue Dec 23 12:42:43 2003 From: rdavisson@neo.rr.com (Tim Davisson) Date: Tue Dec 23 12:43:34 2003 Subject: advertisers buy the music of THEIR lives! References: Message-ID: <003c01c3c97c$2c1afe00$72c85d18@neo.rr.com> > WJIB 740 by adding a lot of the true Adult Standard pop vocalists and crooners of the 40's/50's/60's that are being dropped by mainstream "Adult Standards" stations nowadays.Eli Polonsky> The problems that face most adult standards stations: it's difficult to generate strong ad revenues for a format that ARB says attracts over 90% of it's audience from people age 65+...not a huge target for advertising agencies or most local businesses. I know....I'm an advertising salesman for an AM/FM combo...the AM runs Westwood 1's "Adult Standards" format. Big band, the old crooners, etc...is the music of most older baby boomers' parents...not them. Fewer than 5% of my ad buys every year come from businesses who want to reach listeners who are age 65 or older. And, I've never had an advertiser say "I want to advertise on your station because I love the music!". That's were the rub comes in: many business owners are under age 60. And, in 2003, people who are even age 60 were teenagers at the beginning of the rock 'n roll era of the late 50's....and early rock is the music of their lives....not true adult standards of the 40's and 50's. Guess what formats most of those people place their businesses' advertising on? Oldies, talk, country, sometimes soft AC, and so forth. Besides...the best consumer target is not what age group has the most money, but what age group (s) tend to SPEND the most money....and that's a much bigger consumer target than just people over 65. Am not saying there wasn't great music pre-rock 'n roll....there sure was. However, business-owners tend to buy advertising on the stations that play music/programming they are comfortable with....and that's usually the music they grew up with when they were in their teens. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. Again...I really enjoyed WBOQ's recent format from the few tapes I heard. But, I'll bet poor ad billing was the primary reason for the format change. From paul@03038.com Tue Dec 23 14:04:10 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:07:59 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <1072193959.129E3209@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <008d01c3c987$e6b81ee0$0e87fea9@q0002> Yeh, until those angry customers (except for the ones that NEVER have an accident) find out the rates would be significantly higher. "And like a good neighbor" Indeed! -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH (MA driver 1976-90) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:39 AM To: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild; B-R-I Subject: Re: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) Until these companies can set their own rates, they will not come here. Actually it helps the companies in their attempt to lobby for the rules to be changed to run the adds and have angry consumers find out why they can't get those products n Mass. On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24am, Kaimbridge M. GoldChild wrote: > Sid Schweiger wrote, > >> I've seen plenty of commercials for both of them, but I'm >> guessing that at the time Mark was referring to, neither one >> was licensed to write auto insurance in Massachusetts, so there >> was no point in running their ads. > > But isn't that the case with GEIKO (not licensed in MA)? > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html > ---------- > Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: > http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From beckwith@ime.net Tue Dec 23 17:50:31 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:49:55 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> The anniversary special will be rebroadcast Sunday at 10AM. Take care, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: WCSH 50th > WCSH will celebrate its 50th Anniversary with a hour retrospective Tuesday > night at 8. > > > > From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 23 17:59:34 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:59:36 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Is this in reference to a WCSH-TV (presuming there is one)? I remember in the late 70s WCSH radio having some sort of anniversary...it implied that they'd been around since the 20s. 50 years seems about right for a tv station though. > The anniversary special will be rebroadcast Sunday at 10AM. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Billings" > To: "Boston Radio" > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:34 AM > Subject: WCSH 50th > > >> WCSH will celebrate its 50th Anniversary with a hour retrospective >> Tuesday night at 8. From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 23 20:25:36 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:25:41 2003 Subject: Report: corroded anchors may have caused tower collapse References: <024a01c3c960$66263810$b020a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <003201c3c9bc$d58cb970$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Beckwith" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Report: corroded anchors may have caused tower collapse > http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/031223tower1.shtml Interesting story. With so many old AM towers in wet location, you would think that the designers would have thought about corrosion. I give Saga credit for taking proper steps to deal with the city and the neighbors and to try to avoid controversy before it rears its ugly head. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 23 20:56:43 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:56:46 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Great show. If you didn't see it and can get the Sunday broadcast, you should do so. The thing that I liked is that they didn't only focus on the early years. They talked about the whole history of the station. Lots of great clips from the 70's and 80's. Nice to see Bob Elliott again. They interviewed a lot of former stations stars. Former anchor Richard Rose was interviewed in the studio while wearing a t-shirt. He certainly didn't dress for the interview. I got the impression he was still in Maine. Does anyone know what he's doing? The biggest disappointment was the interview with Jan Fox. In the 80's, she made in worthwhile to watch the Channel 6 news even if you turned the sound down. She has not aged well, despite apparently getting some surgical help. Interesting that Channel 6 has only had three weeknight sports anchors in its history. Don McWilliams who was there from the beginning until 1977, a guy named Scott Wahle who was there for two years, and Bruce Glasier who has had the job ever since. They have also only had 5 weather people. The current guy Joe Cupo has been there since 1979. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 23 21:41:17 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:41:35 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <1072233680.30EFBC6E@r31.dngr.org> Scott Wahle has been at WBZ4 for years On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 9:00pm, Dan Billings wrote: > Great show. If you didn't see it and can get the Sunday broadcast, you > should do so. > > The thing that I liked is that they didn't only focus on the early > years. > They talked about the whole history of the station. Lots of great > clips > from the 70's and 80's. Nice to see Bob Elliott again. > > They interviewed a lot of former stations stars. Former anchor Richard > Rose > was interviewed in the studio while wearing a t-shirt. He certainly > didn't > dress for the interview. I got the impression he was still in Maine. > Does > anyone know what he's doing? > > The biggest disappointment was the interview with Jan Fox. In the > 80's, she > made in worthwhile to watch the Channel 6 news even if you turned the > sound > down. She has not aged well, despite apparently getting some surgical > help. > > Interesting that Channel 6 has only had three weeknight sports anchors > in > its history. Don McWilliams who was there from the beginning until > 1977, a > guy named Scott Wahle who was there for two years, and Bruce Glasier > who has > had the job ever since. > > They have also only had 5 weather people. The current guy Joe Cupo has > been > there since 1979. > > -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 23 21:42:23 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:42:29 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <1072233680.30EFBC6E@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <00a101c3c9c7$8fa361b0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan Billings" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: Re: WCSH 50th > Scott Wahle has been at WBZ4 for years Don't watch Boston TV. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 23 21:49:20 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 23 21:49:24 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <200312240249.hBO2nK9K074471@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Interesting that Channel 6 has only had three weeknight sports anchors in > its history. Don McWilliams who was there from the beginning until 1977, a > guy named Scott Wahle who was there for two years, ...who should be familiar to many readers from his career at WBZ-TV. After a great deal of searching, I finally found his on-line bio. Looks like he started out doing radio in Orleans (at what are now WFPB and WKPE-FM), then moved rapidly up the TV market rankings, going from Portland to Hartford to Detroit and finally to Boston, where he has been since 1989. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 23 22:01:00 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 23 22:01:05 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu><50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com><006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <200312240249.hBO2nK9K074471@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00a901c3c9ca$2932d5c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> I thought Bob Lobel was the sports anchor at WBZ? From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 23 22:09:48 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 23 22:09:53 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <00a901c3c9ca$2932d5c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> <006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <200312240249.hBO2nK9K074471@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <00a901c3c9ca$2932d5c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <200312240309.hBO39mbc074588@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > I thought Bob Lobel was the sports anchor at WBZ? He is. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 23 22:14:46 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 23 22:15:02 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <00a901c3c9ca$2932d5c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001301c3c717$35516d90$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><000901c3c9a7$2d336450$bc20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu><50630.216.204.15.170.1072220374.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com><006901c3c9c1$2dfa37f0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <00a901c3c9ca$2932d5c0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <1072235693.EBFC2F6@s5.dngr.org> Scott was the weekend sports guy then tookthe early AM news anchor job a few years back. It is also available on UPN 38 from 7 to 8 and UPN 28 from 5 to 7 On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:07pm, Dan Billings wrote: > I thought Bob Lobel was the sports anchor at WBZ? From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 24 00:16:12 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Dec 24 00:16:35 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223075711.00a9d070@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <3FE8DACC.2969.6266AB@localhost> On 23 Dec 2003 at 11:15, Larry Weil wrote: > >Not to ask a stupid question, but why can't you run State Farm or > >Allstate commercials in Mass? > >Does the state ban insurance company advertising? > > No, it's because those companies don't sell in Massachusetts anymore. It's > at the request of the companies that their advertising not air in Mass.. This reminds me of something I didn't quite understand at the time, but back in the mid- 1950s, when I lived in the Albany area, every Wednesday, WRGB in Schenectady would blank out the national commercials on Howdy Doody in favor of local commercials. This apparently was because Wonder Bread and Hostess Cupcakes was the sponsor on Wednesdays, and they weren't sold in the Albany area. I suspect that was also the reason that WRGB didn't carry Howdy Doody when it moved from weekdays to Saturday morning in 1956. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From lawrencemedia@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 03:41:50 2003 From: lawrencemedia@yahoo.com (Roy Lawrence) Date: Wed Dec 24 03:41:59 2003 Subject: American Top 40 Theme In-Reply-To: <20031221193424.47161.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031224084150.29536.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone remember the show "Countdown America" with John Leader? It was originally distributed by RKO Networks which became United Stations Radio Network (owned by Dick Clark who later hosted it). He also hosted "The National Music Survey" top 30 countdown CHR and AC weekly top 30 countdowns. In addition, he also hosted Rock, Roll and Remember too. Not bad for a guy who was in his mid 60's at the time. Like Doug, it brings back some fond memories of those spots like Armour Hotdogs, Miracle Whip, and Soft Sense(Choir singing ... "sticky fingers" x2). Roy Lawrence San Francisco, Ca --- Doug Bassett wrote: > I once had (maybe I still do in a box somewhere) > four > or five AT40 programs from various years on vinyl, > complete with cue sheets ('77 the earliest, the '84 > 8-disc year end countdown the most recent). The > theme > from the '77 program was refered to as the > "Shuckatoom > Theme" on the included cue sheet. Some of those old > national spots from the early '80s bring back > memories...L.A. Beer anyone? > > Doug Bassett > Brattleboro, VT > > --- wftn@comcast.net wrote: > > Actually the theme says "shuck-a-toom" and that's > > what the instrumental is called as well. They > > eliminated the vocal from the end of the program > > sometime in the late 70's. > [...] > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 06:22:12 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed Dec 24 06:22:16 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <1072235693.EBFC2F6@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031224112212.78585.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> I caught part of the show last night, but only caught a portion of the deal with Thomaston prison in 1980. The reporter was talking about calling the warden from a payphone. What situation was he talking about? --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Scott was the weekend sports guy then tookthe early > AM news anchor job a > few years back. It is also available on UPN 38 from > 7 to 8 and UPN 28 > from 5 to 7 > > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:07pm, Dan Billings wrote: > > I thought Bob Lobel was the sports anchor at WBZ? ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 24 06:59:38 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Dec 24 06:59:43 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <20031224112212.78585.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c3ca15$68738130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:22 AM Subject: Re: WCSH 50th > I caught part of the show last night, but only caught > a portion of the deal with Thomaston prison in 1980. > The reporter was talking about calling the warden from > a payphone. What situation was he talking about? Things were so out of control at the time that the Governor had to send in the state police on flack jackets to get control of the prison. From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 07:21:16 2003 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed Dec 24 07:21:19 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th In-Reply-To: <000801c3ca15$68738130$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031224122116.18186.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> > Things were so out of control at the time that the > Governor had to send in > the state police on flack jackets to get control of > the prison. A prison riot in Maine, eh? Who ever would have guessed... ===== Magic 104 North Conway, NH V: (603)356-8870 F: (603)356-8875 Website: http://www.conwaymagic.com Audio At: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/fox893 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 11:01:58 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 24 11:02:07 2003 Subject: WBOQ aims for younger demo Message-ID: <20031224160158.16610.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Bob Bittner mentioned on another board that he thought that the WBOQ format change was a good idea. My thoughts: Sometimes when I'm on this group, I approach my views from a "listener" point of view--as in, "it's too bad WBOQ dumped its jazzy standards since it was something different! Now it's just another oldies station, though they're playing some cuts WODS isn't airing..." Or sometimes I take an approach of "reality"-- that is, that radio is a business** and while you may have a really good and DIFFERENT format, if you aren't bringing in ratings or advertisers, you're doomed. This may mean "lowest common denominator", "cookie-cutter" radio, but as the saying goes, "Give the people what they want". If that means familiarity--to bring in listeners and sponsors--then that's just what they need to do. It means some listeners have to look harder to find something like jazzy standards or smooth jazz (maybe a college radio show, or a small AM station)...but this new format, a more general appeal type of music mix, will probably help WBOQ. I'm glad they're taking a "local" approach, too... NORTH SHORE 104.9.... As for the format switch _before_ Christmas: Yes--despite the technical snafus, it's a good pre-emptive strike. Grab oldies fans while WODS is still ho-ho-ho-ing. As for advertisers not necessarily desiring listeners who are 50+, that's something Bob has mentioned on Let's Talk About Radio. I'm guessing that 50 is a cutoff point, and 65+ another--that is, those 25-50 (or "25-54") are really desired; those 50 to 65 are less desired, and those over 65 are least desired. "Sorry, old-timer, we're not interested in you...maybe you can find what you want to hear on a small station somewhere, or you can turn to news/talk... but you aren't our prime demo." Sad but true. **--As for radio being a business, I've said it before but...on the first episode of WKRP in Cincinnatti, new program director Andy Travis abruptly changes the Beautiful Music format to raucous rock. When Mrs. Carlson, the station owner (her son is the GM), tells Andy, "Young man, this radio station is a business. It is not here for your personal listening pleasure", Andy replies, "Ma'am, I know it's a business which is why I had to change the format". Exactly. (And the episode ends with Dr. Johnny Fever leading into a spot for one of the station's previous advertisers, who were still being aired despite the format change: DR JOHNNY FEVER: "Together we will growl, and HOWWWWL!...Right after this word from Shady Hills Rest Home..." COMMERCIAL: "Many of us ask this age-old question...What happens when I can no longer feed myself?"... ) :) From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 24 12:06:51 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:06:57 2003 Subject: WBOQ aims for younger demo In-Reply-To: <20031224160158.16610.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031224160158.16610.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 8:01 AM -0800 12/24/03, Bob Nelson wrote: >Bob Bittner mentioned on another board that he thought >that the WBOQ format change was a good idea. >My thoughts: > >Sometimes when I'm on this group, I approach my views >from a "listener" point of view--as in, "it's too bad >WBOQ dumped its jazzy standards since it was something >different! Now it's just another oldies station, >though they're playing some cuts WODS isn't airing..." > > >Or sometimes I take an approach of "reality"-- that >is, that radio is a business** and while you may have >a really good and DIFFERENT format, All this sounds applicable to the general case. I still feel in this case the generalities may not apply. This station is more of a rich boy's toy, he's gonna play what he wants to hear. And if you don't want to play with him he can just take his ball and go home. Does anyone know what has or will happen to the rather unique record (CD?) collection? Or did they just format the hard drive and it all disappeared? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Wed Dec 24 12:17:13 2003 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:11:50 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <200312241700.hBOH02xO021080@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031224121458.02d45e58@gwind.pair.com> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) has been merged into "Western New York," which now also includes Erie, Elmira and even University Park PA...lots of channels that don't come in for viewers here, even with the Big Ol' Yagi on the roof. I know TVG consolidated the old Worcester edition out of existence years ago...anybody noticing changes in their TVG this week elsewhere in New England? s From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 24 13:11:40 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 24 13:11:42 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031224121458.02d45e58@gwind.pair.com> References: <200312241700.hBOH02xO021080@rolinin.lcs.mit.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20031224121458.02d45e58@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <58144.216.204.15.170.1072289500.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> > I know TVG consolidated the old Worcester edition out of existence years > ago...anybody noticing changes in their TVG this week elsewhere in New > England? Sounds like a good question for Max Robbins next time Howie has him on. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 13:10:52 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed Dec 24 13:16:47 2003 Subject: NPR : Death of the 'Concept' Album?" Message-ID: <008301c3ca49$4a5ae4c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> I thought many on the list would be interested in this story from "NPR : Death of the 'Concept' Album?" With the effect radio has on the record industry and vice-versa....I found it to be quite fascinating. Since this is from NPR, it's an "audio story" for those with sound and RealAudio. Just click on the headline or the audio icon to listen to the story. You'll need an audio player to hear it, and you can find the right one for your computer at . If you have any problems, please visit the NPR audio help page . Want a transcript of this story? Like the music you hear on NPR? The third CD in our most popular CD series, "All Songs Considered 3", is available in the NPR Shop. From nuhuc@juno.com Wed Dec 24 13:41:52 2003 From: nuhuc@juno.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed Dec 24 13:43:30 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) Message-ID: <20031224.104205.9396.1539389@webmail01.lax.untd.com> -- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: >> back in the mid- 1950s, when I lived in the Albany area, every Wednesday, WRGB in Schenectady would blank out the national commercials on Howdy Doody in favor of local commercials. This apparently was because Wonder Bread and Hostess Cupcakes was the sponsor on Wednesdays, and they weren't sold in the Albany area. I suspect that was also the reason that WRGB didn't carry Howdy Doody when it moved from weekdays to Saturday morning in 1956. I always (excuse the pun)Wondered if it wasn't because they they ran the Freddy Freihofer Show with Uncle Jim Fisk. Seems to me it was on in the afternoon/weekdays. Maybe they didn't wish to upset the Freihofer revenue stream apple cart. -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 24 14:12:11 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 24 14:12:13 2003 Subject: NPR : Death of the 'Concept' Album?' In-Reply-To: <008301c3ca49$4a5ae4c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <008301c3ca49$4a5ae4c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <58578.216.204.15.170.1072293131.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote... > I thought many on the list would be interested in this story from "NPR : > Death of the 'Concept' Album?" > > With the effect radio has on the record industry and vice-versa....I > found it to be quite fascinating. The transcript didn't seem to be popsted on line, and I'm currently at a computer with no sound card so I couldn't listen, but hasn't the whole "concept album" thing been dead for years? What was the last successful one..."The Wall" maybe? That came out 24 years ago. From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed Dec 24 14:17:58 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed Dec 24 14:18:02 2003 Subject: NPR : Death of the 'Concept' Album?' In-Reply-To: <58578.216.204.15.170.1072293131.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: <008301c3ca49$4a5ae4c0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> <58578.216.204.15.170.1072293131.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <200312241917.hBOJHwvJ078677@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The transcript didn't seem to be popsted on line, and I'm currently at a > computer with no sound card so I couldn't listen, but hasn't the whole > "concept album" thing been dead for years? What was the last successful > one..."The Wall" maybe? That came out 24 years ago. I'm not sure I've ever understood what a ``concept album'' was supposed to be, but there have certainly been ``single-story-arc albums'' more recently than that. (I probably have some, but that part of my brain is swapped out right now so I'm at a loss for titles.) I don't think that these have ever been a very substantial part of the business; mass-market music has always been song-oriented. -GAWollman From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 24 15:00:46 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Dec 24 15:01:00 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <20031224122116.18186.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c3ca58$a2f2a690$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:21 AM Subject: Re: WCSH 50th > A prison riot in Maine, eh? Who ever would have guessed... It wasn't really a riot. More of a case of the inmates being in charge inside the prison and the guards unable to control what went on. From dwcole@comcast.net Wed Dec 24 16:15:20 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Wed Dec 24 16:15:43 2003 Subject: WCSH 50th References: <20031224122116.18186.qmail@web20729.mail.yahoo.com> <001301c3ca58$a2f2a690$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000e01c3ca63$09d9af20$61f29318@HP310n> > > > A prison riot in Maine, eh? Who ever would have guessed... > > It wasn't really a riot. More of a case of the inmates being in charge > inside the prison and the guards unable to control what went on. > I just want to know one thing...who were the ringleaders? Andy? Red? Brooks? (with apologies to Stephen King) Dan Cole From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 24 16:15:52 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Dec 24 16:15:59 2003 Subject: WRSI Sold Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031224161326.025449b8@mail.mac.com> WRSI (The River, Northampton, MA) and it's rebroadcasters have been purchased by Saga. Format change to come? http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8862~1849948,00.html -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From caustin@cox.net Wed Dec 24 16:38:36 2003 From: caustin@cox.net (Chip Austin) Date: Wed Dec 24 16:36:48 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031223075711.00a9d070@pop3.bit-net.com> <3FE8DACC.2969.6266AB@localhost> Message-ID: <3FEA075C.5A72562C@cox.net> I wonder if the real reason might have been that Freihofer's was a huge sponsor on WRGB. Remember the Freddy Freihofer Show? I was on it once; even got a "squiggle." - Chip "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > > This reminds me of something I didn't quite understand at the time, but back in the mid- > 1950s, when I lived in the Albany area, every Wednesday, WRGB in Schenectady would > blank out the national commercials on Howdy Doody in favor of local commercials. This > apparently was because Wonder Bread and Hostess Cupcakes was the sponsor on > Wednesdays, and they weren't sold in the Albany area. I suspect that was also the reason > that WRGB didn't carry Howdy Doody when it moved from weekdays to Saturday morning in > 1956. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 24 20:45:22 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed Dec 24 20:45:51 2003 Subject: Insurance company spots (was: American Top 40 Theme) In-Reply-To: <20031224.104205.9396.1539389@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Message-ID: <3FE9FAE2.24286.322D36@localhost> On 24 Dec 2003 at 18:41, Rick Kelly wrote: > I always (excuse the pun)Wondered if it wasn't because they they ran the > Freddy Freihofer Show with Uncle Jim Fisk. Seems to me it was on in the > afternoon/weekdays. Maybe they didn't wish to upset the Freihofer revenue > stream apple cart. Ah, yes, Freddy Freihofer, which was on just before Howdy Doody every day. I don't know if I remember Uncle Jim Fisk. In the four years that I lived in the Albany area, they went through quite a few hosts -- Ralph Kana, Ed Joyce, Bud Mason, and at least one more. Maybe that was Uncle Jim Fiske, but I don't think I was watching much by then because Howdy Doody wasn't there any more. I suppose it's possible that Freihofers Bakery had something to do with it, but I do think that Wonder Bread and Hostess Cupcakes weren't being sold in the Albany area at the time. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From busnrail@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 20:55:03 2003 From: busnrail@yahoo.com (Mark Time) Date: Wed Dec 24 20:55:06 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031222162430.56739.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031225015503.38199.qmail@web13012.mail.yahoo.com> raccoonradio sniffles in his well-deserved beer: > I have it on right now...they're playing a song from > the 60s or 70s I can't remember the title or artist > ("Every day with you girl/Is sweeter than the day > before...") I should know this one...one of the local groups WLS and WCFL were so good about playing back in the day...Classics IV? > And now: Paul McCartney, "Take it Away"... > The Turtles, "You Showed Me"... Well, at least the playlist is wider than the average olden-moldie outlet. > Simon Geller rolls over in his grave...again... I can hear his dulcet tones now, haunting "Glaw-stuh".... -- Mark (part-time radio fan now in the shadows of the KFI tower) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Wed Dec 24 21:10:05 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Wed Dec 24 21:04:48 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <200312242110.AA291504266@mail.ttlc.net> Mark Time expounded: >Well, at least the playlist is wider than the average olden-moldie outlet. Fret not, a consultant can fix that in a trice. Quick, Quick! Chop, Chop! From paulranderson@charter.net Wed Dec 24 21:30:22 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Wed Dec 24 21:31:25 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031224121458.02d45e58@gwind.pair.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031224121458.02d45e58@gwind.pair.com> Message-ID: <4A409A98-3682-11D8-AC42-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV > Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of > existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our > "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) has > been merged into "Western New York," which now also includes Erie, > Elmira and even University Park PA...lots of channels that don't come > in for viewers here, even with the Big Ol' Yagi on the roof. > > I know TVG consolidated the old Worcester edition out of existence > years ago...anybody noticing changes in their TVG this week elsewhere > in New England? The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a Boston-Providence edition. At first glance, it appears to be the sum of the two editions, except for the addition of the Pax station in Concord NH and eliminations of the Pax stations on Block Island RI and New London CT. Yes, it will be more confusing to viewers to have lots of extra channels listed which they can't receive. And the white-on-black/black-on-white channel numbers have been retained in the combined edition, which makes no sense whatsoever. White-on-black numbers have typically been used for local stations and black-on-white for out-of-town stations. But now channels 3 and 30 from Connecticut are listed as "local" while the Providence channels are listed as "out-of-town". Paul From mlaurence@mindspring.com Wed Dec 24 21:59:27 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed Dec 24 21:59:34 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <4A409A98-3682-11D8-AC42-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <5A5DC6FA-3686-11D8-BE85-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV >> Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of >> existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our >> "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) >> has been merged into "Western New York," > > The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a > Boston-Providence edition. .. TV Guide is in tough shape overall, but local advertising in particular is a shadow of its former self. Also, their new format has cut coverage of daytime hours when local differences were most important. Now they emphasize prime time network and cable channels and they could almost consolidate to an Eastern Time Zone edition, like they do for DirecTV. Mark From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 00:14:53 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 25 00:15:01 2003 Subject: WRSI Sold In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031224161326.025449b8@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20031225051453.29108.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > WRSI (The River, Northampton, MA) and it's > rebroadcasters have been > purchased by Saga. Format change to come? >From article: >>There are no plans to change the format of the >>station, Christian told the Reformer on Tuesday, Famous last words!! But who knows. >> because the station's listeners in the area have >>responded well to that type of music. But local >>programming could be coming to the station, he >>added. >>"We are looking at adding local programming to >>serve the Brattleboro community," said >>Christian. "This may be in the form of local DJs >>talking about local issues and reporting local >>news." I'll bet the gang at Radio Free Brattleboro will want in on that! I've enjoyed the WRSI stations while in that area and hope they don't change...WPVQ was also mentioned. I think they're a country station known as The Bear? From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 00:20:21 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 25 00:20:33 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <200312242110.AA291504266@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20031225052021.58725.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> --- rogerkirk wrote: > Mark Time expounded: > > >Well, at least the playlist is wider than the > average olden-moldie outlet. > > Fret not, a consultant can fix that in a trice. > > Quick, Quick! Chop, Chop! I hope they do keep a wide playlist, though. That was one of my main beefs with W-Odious-- er, WODS... other than on "Lost 45s", a narrow playlist. Heard the new WBOQ play Linda Rondstadt's cover of "That'll Be The Day" earlier. Hadn't heard that in awhile! Remember the old Steve Martin sketches on "Sat. Night Live" where he played characters like "Theodoric of York, Medieval Doctor" and "Theodoric of York, Medieval Judge"? I now present to you: "Theodoric of York, Medieval Radio Programmer"! "Wait a minute...I may be going about this all wrong. Maybe today's radio listeners WANT something different, not just the same songs over and over. Maybe they want SHORTER stop sets and DJs who don't ramble on and on! Wider playlists! Adventurous musical selections! Why, I could revolutionize the radio dial!... "NAAAAAAAAAH!" (dismissing the whole silly notion) :) From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Dec 25 00:50:13 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Dec 25 00:50:36 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <5A5DC6FA-3686-11D8-BE85-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> References: <5A5DC6FA-3686-11D8-BE85-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <1072331418.114A9CD3@s29.dngr.org> I was in a hotel 2 days ago that indeed had an eastern time zone edition. Just listed prorams by network On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:04pm, Mark Laurence wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >>> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV >>> Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of >>> existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our >>> "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) >>> has been merged into "Western New York," >> >> The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a >> Boston-Providence edition. .. > > TV Guide is in tough shape overall, but local advertising in particular > is a shadow of its former self. Also, their new format has cut > coverage of daytime hours when local differences were most important. > Now they emphasize prime time network and cable channels and they could > almost consolidate to an Eastern Time Zone edition, like they do for > DirecTV. > > Mark From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Dec 25 01:33:36 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu Dec 25 01:33:39 2003 Subject: WRSI sold Message-ID: <2146529.1072334016076.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> > WRSI (The River, Northampton, MA) and it's rebroadcasters have been > purchased by Saga. Format change to come? > > http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8862~1849948,00.html They say not, but when I was out that way a few months ago, I heard them as a VERY "eclectic" AAA station, not limited to mainly new and classic "adult alternative" rock and pop as most are, but also mixing in many genres (blues, folk, "alt. country"/Americana, jazz, world music, etc...) reminiscent of the "free-form" stations of decades ago, with the DJ's picking most, if not all, of the music. While I personally find such a format refreshing, and it has enough audience support to work well in the Pioneer Valley/southern Vermont areas (it wouldn't in most other New England areas and cities), I'd be surprised if any national company allowed the station to continue to be that eclectic. I wouldn't be surprised to see them remain AAA, but a tightening of the format, with less DJ control, also wouldn't surprise me at all. WXRV allows the DJ's something like just two choices per hour, and of course those must still be from within certain playlists. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that in store for WRSI. I don't know if many AAA's (WBOS?) today even allow that, and aren't completely playlisted song for song like most other commercial formats. Eli Polonsky From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Dec 25 09:10:28 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Dec 25 09:09:17 2003 Subject: WRSI sold In-Reply-To: <2146529.1072334016076.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earth link.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225090241.00a32080@pop3.bit-net.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: >They say not, but when I was out that way a few months ago, I heard >them as a VERY "eclectic" AAA station, , with the >DJ's picking most, if not all, of the music. I really doubt the djs picked most of the music. More likely, as you mentioned with WXRV, the jocks had a couple of slots where they could choose within limits. WRSI, like most stations these days is on hard drive (Scott Studios), and I believe is voicetracked some shifts. Not sure why Vox sold them...from what I understand the station was successful. As you mentioned, that area is one of the few parts of New England where a AAA format can work. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Dec 25 09:19:29 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Dec 25 09:18:19 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031225052021.58725.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200312242110.AA291504266@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225091105.00a27d80@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >"Wait a minute...I may be going about this all wrong. >Maybe today's radio listeners WANT something >different, not just the same songs over and over. >Maybe they want SHORTER stop sets and DJs who don't >ramble on and on! Wider playlists! Adventurous >musical selections! Why, I could revolutionize the >radio dial!... > >"NAAAAAAAAAH!" (dismissing the whole silly notion) :) While everyone (except the sales dept.) complains about commercials, and yappy djs have long been seen as a negative I don't see any evidence that today's listeners will gravitate to a station that breaks the mold. Stations do what they do because it works. I can't off hand think of a single station with a wide, deep playlist that attracts a bigger audience than a similarly formatted competitor that sticks to the hits. Radio geeks are not typical listeners (beleive it or not!). BTW, who has djs that "ramble on and on" these days? Most radio boards seem to have more complaints about liner card jocks. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Dec 25 10:45:32 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:45:21 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies References: <200312242110.AA291504266@mail.ttlc.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20031225091105.00a27d80@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <000f01c3cafe$21e0a420$64f88018@markscomputer> Steve Ordinetz wrote: > BTW, who has djs that "ramble on and on" these days? Most radio > boards seem to have more complaints about liner card jocks. Paul Sidney, who I believe is the GM of WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) does a lot of remotes on the station. WLNG does remotes most every weekend, sometimes during the week as well, from business, carnivals, Holiday festivals, parades, even volunteer fire department pancake breakfasts!! When Paul Sidney himself is the jock doing the remote, he just goes on and on, talking sometimes up to 5 minutes at a time. From time to time he'll even fade a song early to start rambling on and on, and I've even heard him talk over some of WLNG's hundreds of jingles for all occasions!! I don't believe WLNG has any liner cards, and their playlist still reaches back to the 50's and yes they still play a current every now & then, all in mono with extra reverb added for your listening pleasure!! Moving slightly off topic for a second: Best Wishes for Happy Holidays to all on the list and your families. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 11:01:21 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 25 11:01:27 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225091105.00a27d80@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <20031225160121.8677.qmail@web60804.mail.yahoo.com> --- SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I can't off hand think > of a single station with a wide, deep playlist that > attracts a bigger > audience than a similarly formatted competitor that > sticks to the > hits. Radio geeks are not typical listeners > (beleive it or not!). Yup, guess so! :) > BTW, who has djs that "ramble on and on" these days? > Most radio boards > seem to have more complaints about liner card jocks. There are some; on college radio, or on some commercial stations...but maybe the "long ad breaks" is more of a complaint for me. Often once you hear the DJ come on, you know it'll be several minutes before the music starts again (on comm. stations) so some, like me, turn away to see what else is on... Of course on the subject of rambling DJs, yes, stations that force them to just read from those liner cards can be just as bad. The radio equivalent of a form-letter... From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Thu Dec 25 11:32:44 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Thu Dec 25 11:27:30 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <200312251132.AA217579778@mail.ttlc.net> Bob Nelson keyboarded: ...but maybe the "long ad breaks" is more of a complaint for me. Often >once you hear the DJ come on, you know it'll be several minutes >before the music starts again (on comm. stations) so some, like me, >turn away to see what else is on... Same for my wife - a minute hint of non-music and she's gone. From petef@sprynet.com Thu Dec 25 12:40:30 2003 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:40:46 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <20031225052021.58725.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a001c3cb0e$31ec5b60$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Bob Nelson writes: >Maybe today's radio listeners WANT something >different, not just the same songs over and over. >Maybe they want SHORTER stop sets and DJs who don't >ramble on and on! Wider playlists! Adventurous musical selections! I think the bulk of listeners want those things, but they're not prepared to actually listen to a station like that, just like they want responsive and efficient government, but never show up at Town Meeting, etc. ad nauseum. Plus their recollections when they fill out the ratings diary are for the simple and familiar. Radio is used to accompany other activity and as such it drifts in and out of people's consciousness - if there's much that isn't familiar, it's distracting and irritating for the average listener. The aficionado might be thrilled, but it doesn't help ratings. BTW, outside of a few well-known morning drive efforts, where do you find DJ's who ramble??? Now I think there's another potential reason for the WBOQ switch - it could be the old format was working, but was just too much effort. Radio is management-intensive anyway, and it could be the new owners looked at it and said, "Well they made it work, to a point, but I've no idea how I can make it work." If whoever was managing isn't there anymore, the new owner might reasonably feel he could handle AC/Oldies, or find someone who could, while finding someone who could make a little of this and a little of that work is a crap shoot, with crappy odds. And not just the air product - the owner might also believe he can sell time for AC/Oldies, but hasn't a clue what to say to sell this "other stuff" that he may not understand. We all know how people really don't want to risk losing their investment any more than they have to. Should he decide to sell down the road a ways, he knows he'll have a far easier time selling an AC/Oldies property than one he can't really describe, even though the new new owner would probably change it anyway. Merry/Happy to all, -Pete Enfield, NH "Success is the ability to go from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." - -Winston Churchill From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 12:58:50 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:59:03 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... Message-ID: <20031225175850.32117.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Some sites to check out if you're curious about the previous incarnation of WBOQ, WVCA--the Voice of Cape Ann. Simon Geller and his one-man classical station (though I guess they at one time ran top 40 and had more staffers...?) http://www.cwtvproductions.com/WVCA/WVCA.htm has pictures of the old studios and some personalities. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3514/audio.html Has a real audio bit of Simon Geller (died in 1995), recorded 4/88. He thanks contributors for their checks. "I urge everyone to make their contribution now. I expect to be leaving WVCA permananently in July and I intend to keep the station on the air until then...W V as in Victor, WVCA...(gives address)... I will receive no money until transfer of title is made..." One radio messageboard post about WVCA that came up on a web search mentioned that Geller "(supposedly) sounded like Elmer Fudd" and ran his one-man radio station, usually from late afternoon until midnight (though the sound clip I mentioned above gives different hours). "The new owners renamed it WBOQ, expanded to 24 hours, and actually kept the classical format" Geller's operation didn't sound too slick or commercialized but he surely was dedicated and how many one-man radio stations are out there, anyway? (I know, there are some stations that are practically unmanned as they broadcast nothing but birdfed stuff, but...) From paul@03038.com Thu Dec 25 13:22:19 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Dec 25 13:40:34 2003 Subject: TV Guide editions In-Reply-To: <4A409A98-3682-11D8-AC42-0050E4D0384A@charter.net> Message-ID: <005901c3cb16$a932bea0$0e87fea9@q0002> How about 1 national TV Guide (20,000 pgs each week, one page for the channel listings for one show...and how many different combos used to represent the 1000 Ch 2s or Ch3s......) -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:30 PM To: Boston Radio Mailing List Subject: Re: TV Guide editions On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV > Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of > existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our > "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) has > been merged into "Western New York," which now also includes Erie, > Elmira and even University Park PA...lots of channels that don't come > in for viewers here, even with the Big Ol' Yagi on the roof. > > I know TVG consolidated the old Worcester edition out of existence > years ago...anybody noticing changes in their TVG this week elsewhere > in New England? The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a Boston-Providence edition. At first glance, it appears to be the sum of the two editions, except for the addition of the Pax station in Concord NH and eliminations of the Pax stations on Block Island RI and New London CT. Yes, it will be more confusing to viewers to have lots of extra channels listed which they can't receive. And the white-on-black/black-on-white channel numbers have been retained in the combined edition, which makes no sense whatsoever. White-on-black numbers have typically been used for local stations and black-on-white for out-of-town stations. But now channels 3 and 30 from Connecticut are listed as "local" while the Providence channels are listed as "out-of-town". Paul From paul@03038.com Thu Dec 25 13:30:10 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Dec 25 13:40:48 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: <5A5DC6FA-3686-11D8-BE85-003065D69DF8@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <005a01c3cb16$b2099f80$0e87fea9@q0002> They use DirecTV where I work and when they put on MNF, Ch9 has "ghosts" (ah, brings bak memories of my living in Randolph MA getting ghosts on 4,5 and watching 10 and 12 from Providence which had much better pictures, although Ch 6 (then WTEV) was NOT superior to the Boston ABC or CBS affil (depending on year)) Anyway, Ch 9 on DirecTV had ghosts! If you're in Line of Site of a Broadcast Signal, and the Signal on DirecTV (or any Satellite service FTM) bounces off the bucket of bolts 25K Mi up, ghosts are too be expected? When the DirecTV is set to Ch 5 WCVB, there are no ghosts. Anyone else notice this with their satellite service if their line-of-site to a broadcast signal? -Paul Hopfgarten East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Mark Laurence Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:59 PM To: Paul Anderson Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: Re: TV Guide editions On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV >> Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of >> existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our >> "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) >> has been merged into "Western New York," > > The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a > Boston-Providence edition. .. TV Guide is in tough shape overall, but local advertising in particular is a shadow of its former self. Also, their new format has cut coverage of daytime hours when local differences were most important. Now they emphasize prime time network and cable channels and they could almost consolidate to an Eastern Time Zone edition, like they do for DirecTV. Mark From paul@03038.com Thu Dec 25 13:39:13 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu Dec 25 13:41:01 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <00a001c3cb0e$31ec5b60$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Message-ID: <005b01c3cb16$b6869c20$0e87fea9@q0002> a little afield, put... Ref Town Meetings....Don't I know that! People complain about gov't when a)property tax bill comes in the mail and b) When their neighbor wants to do something to their property that the complainer doesn't like......and that's about it! -Paul Hopfgarten -8 year Town Councilor -(East) Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Pete Ferrand Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:41 PM To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies I think the bulk of listeners want those things, but they're not prepared to actually listen to a station like that, just like they want responsive and efficient government, but never show up at Town Meeting, etc. ad nauseum. -Pete Enfield, NH "Success is the ability to go from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." - -Winston Churchill From kvahey@tmail.com Thu Dec 25 14:05:38 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu Dec 25 14:05:51 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: <005a01c3cb16$b2099f80$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <005a01c3cb16$b2099f80$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <1072379143.68E3D7@w5.dngr.org> Ch 9 has had problems with DirecTV for months. I am assuming wherever the uplink is for the local feeds they do not get a great OTA signal. Speaking of 9, how did they get permission to carry the ESPN game last Sat, but no Providence OTA was allowed? The NFL requires an OTA signal in the primary market (in this case WCVB) but how did MUR snesk in? On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 1:46pm, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > They use DirecTV where I work and when they put on MNF, Ch9 has > "ghosts" > (ah, brings bak memories of my living in Randolph MA getting ghosts on > 4,5 > and watching 10 and 12 from Providence which had much better pictures, > although Ch 6 (then WTEV) was NOT superior to the Boston ABC or CBS > affil > (depending on year)) > > Anyway, Ch 9 on DirecTV had ghosts! If you're in Line of Site of a > Broadcast > Signal, and the Signal on DirecTV (or any Satellite service FTM) > bounces off > the bucket of bolts 25K Mi up, ghosts are too be expected? When the > DirecTV > is set to Ch 5 WCVB, there are no ghosts. > > Anyone else notice this with their satellite service if their > line-of-site > to a broadcast signal? > > -Paul Hopfgarten > East Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Mark Laurence > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:59 PM > To: Paul Anderson > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: TV Guide editions > > > > On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >>> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV >>> Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of >>> existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our >>> "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) >>> has been merged into "Western New York," >> >> The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a >> Boston-Providence edition. .. > > TV Guide is in tough shape overall, but local advertising in particular > is a shadow of its former self. Also, their new format has cut > coverage of daytime hours when local differences were most important. > Now they emphasize prime time network and cable channels and they could > almost consolidate to an Eastern Time Zone edition, like they do for > DirecTV. > > Mark From ssmyth@psu.edu Thu Dec 25 17:14:17 2003 From: ssmyth@psu.edu (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu Dec 25 17:14:27 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) Message-ID: <200312252214.RAA27291@webmail9.cac.psu.edu> On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:05:38, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Ch 9 has had problems with DirecTV for months. I am assuming wherever > the uplink is for the local feeds they do not get a great OTA signal. > > Speaking of 9, how did they get permission to carry the ESPN game last > Sat, but no Providence OTA was allowed? The NFL requires an OTA signal > in the primary market (in this case WCVB) but how did MUR snesk in? I'm presuming Channel 5's signal serves the entire Providence market well? At this point WMUR is essentially a WCVB satellite much of the time, anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Dec 25 17:34:46 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Dec 25 17:33:36 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: <20031225175850.32117.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225172959.00a3ca50@pop3.bit-net.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >Geller's operation didn't sound too slick or >commercialized but he surely was dedicated and how >many one-man radio stations are out there, anyway? >(I know, there are some stations that are practically >unmanned as they broadcast nothing but birdfed stuff, >but...) It's actually surprising there aren't more now than in the old days...between rules changes to allow for unattended operation, and reliable, versatile automation systems it would be easy to do. I don't envy some of these characters like James Brownyard and Simon Geller who essentially had no life outside of their stations. I guess we could count the ever newer 106.5 WMEX as one such station...not sure what they do for AM drive but the rest of the time it's just on autopilot. Ditto for WSNH and 1480 in Springfield, Vt. From steveord@bit-net.com Thu Dec 25 17:40:54 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu Dec 25 17:39:42 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: <00a001c3cb0e$31ec5b60$0200a8c0@wb2qll> References: <20031225052021.58725.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225173634.00a3a3d0@pop3.bit-net.com> Pete Ferrand wrote: >Now I think there's another potential reason for the WBOQ switch - it >could be the old format was working, but was just too much effort. Radio >is management-intensive anyway, and it could be the new owners looked at >it and said, "Well they made it work, to a point, but I've no idea how I >can make it work." If whoever was managing isn't there anymore, the new >owner might reasonably feel he could handle AC/Oldies, or find someone >who could, while finding someone who could make a little of this and a >little of that work is a crap shoot, with crappy odds. My guess is we'll see more of this as some of the remaining owner/operators retire. Stations like WDEV, WIRY and others that are still doing radio the way it was done 35 years ago are likely more a hobby that they make a living at rather than a business, per se....ie they're probably making a lot less than they could, but they do it because, in the words of ol' Blue Eyes...they're doing it their way. New owners won't have that nostalgia, and besides the bank will want their mortgage payment on time. >And not just the air product - the owner might also believe he can sell >time for AC/Oldies, but hasn't a clue what to say to sell this "other >stuff" that he may not understand. We all know how people really don't >want to risk losing their investment any more than they have to. > >Should he decide to sell down the road a ways, he knows he'll have a far >easier time selling an AC/Oldies property than one he can't really >describe, even though the new new owner would probably change it anyway. > >Merry/Happy to all, > >-Pete >Enfield, NH > >"Success is the ability to go from failure to failure with no loss of >enthusiasm." - -Winston Churchill From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Thu Dec 25 18:32:29 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu Dec 25 18:32:33 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: <1072379143.68E3D7@w5.dngr.org> References: <005a01c3cb16$b2099f80$0e87fea9@q0002> <1072379143.68E3D7@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200312252332.hBPNWTqb084849@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Speaking of 9, how did they get permission to carry the ESPN game last > Sat, but no Providence OTA was allowed? The NFL requires an OTA signal > in the primary market (in this case WCVB) but how did MUR snesk in? Perhaps because Manchester is part of the Boston market, and Providence is not? -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 25 18:33:29 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu Dec 25 18:33:51 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies References: <00a001c3cb0e$31ec5b60$0200a8c0@wb2qll> Message-ID: <000c01c3cb3f$827b4240$19eefea9@satpro4600> Pete: You've offered the most cogent and plausible explanation so far for WBOQ's flip. I can accept your reasoning, which is more than I can say for that of anyone else who has posted on this topic here, and for that of some who have posted at radio-info.com. It does NOT follow that the flip is a prima facie indicator that WBOQ was losing money. However, the fact that they have a sizeable air staff--even though most of the dayparts seem to be voicetracked--could mean that profits have been meager, despite a pretty heavy spot load and maybe even if they have not been doscounting from the rate card. Supposedly, the air staff will be back Monday. We'll have to see how many have survived. I heard a promo for the midday show, which apparently will be done by the same woman who did the same daypart under the old format. She does not sound like especially high-priced talent. OTOH, the promo for the AM-drive show was done by the sports guy, who clearly is not the higher-paid of the two-man team. Perhaps the "anchor," Kendall Buehl, has departed in a budget-cutting move. I've yet to hear a promo for the PM-drive show, whose host under the old format was the other on-air guy who sounded as if he could command pretty big bucks. An advantage of this format (besides its being easier to grasp for the small minds that seem to populate the radio and agency businesses) is that there must be several satellite-delivered classic soft-AC formats that sound quite similar, whereas I don't think there are any syndicated jazzy-standards formats. If belt tightening is (or becomes) the order of the day at WBOQ, it will be much easier to let talent go without greatly affecting the station's sound. Still, WBOQ now sounds more like WPLM-FM than any station I can pick up, and to me it doesn't sound that different from WMJX. BTW, according to the V-Soft Web site, WMJX delivers 73.0 dBu to Beverly--where WBOQ's studios are--vs 70.3 for WBOQ and 52.5 for WPLM-FM. With that signal, WPLM-FM may not pose much of a threat to WBOQ on WBOQ's home turf, but WMJX would sure seem to. Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Ferrand To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies > Bob Nelson writes: > > >Maybe today's radio listeners WANT something > >different, not just the same songs over and over. > >Maybe they want SHORTER stop sets and DJs who don't > >ramble on and on! Wider playlists! Adventurous > musical selections! > > I think the bulk of listeners want those things, but they're not > prepared to actually listen to a station like that, just like they want > responsive and efficient government, but never show up at Town Meeting, > etc. ad nauseum. Plus their recollections when they fill out the ratings > diary are for the simple and familiar. > > Radio is used to accompany other activity and as such it drifts in and > out of people's consciousness - if there's much that isn't familiar, > it's distracting and irritating for the average listener. The aficionado > might be thrilled, but it doesn't help ratings. > > BTW, outside of a few well-known morning drive efforts, where do you > find DJ's who ramble??? > > Now I think there's another potential reason for the WBOQ switch - it > could be the old format was working, but was just too much effort. Radio > is management-intensive anyway, and it could be the new owners looked at > it and said, "Well they made it work, to a point, but I've no idea how I > can make it work." If whoever was managing isn't there anymore, the new > owner might reasonably feel he could handle AC/Oldies, or find someone > who could, while finding someone who could make a little of this and a > little of that work is a crap shoot, with crappy odds. > > And not just the air product - the owner might also believe he can sell > time for AC/Oldies, but hasn't a clue what to say to sell this "other > stuff" that he may not understand. We all know how people really don't > want to risk losing their investment any more than they have to. > > Should he decide to sell down the road a ways, he knows he'll have a far > easier time selling an AC/Oldies property than one he can't really > describe, even though the new new owner would probably change it anyway. > > Merry/Happy to all, > > -Pete > Enfield, NH > > "Success is the ability to go from failure to failure with no loss of > enthusiasm." - -Winston Churchill > > > > > From mlaurence@mindspring.com Fri Dec 26 00:03:38 2003 From: mlaurence@mindspring.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Fri Dec 26 00:03:42 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: <005a01c3cb16$b2099f80$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: On Thursday, December 25, 2003, at 01:30 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Anyway, Ch 9 on DirecTV had ghosts! If you're in Line of Site of a > Broadcast > Signal, and the Signal on DirecTV (or any Satellite service FTM) > bounces off > the bucket of bolts 25K Mi up, ghosts are too be expected? When the > DirecTV > is set to Ch 5 WCVB, there are no ghosts. > > Anyone else notice this with their satellite service if their > line-of-site > to a broadcast signal? Channel 9 is really bad on DirecTV, and has been ever since they added it to Boston local service. The other New Hampshire signals, 11 and 50, are much clearer. 50 looks pretty bad too, but I think that's their own quality control, and not the feed to the bird. I think DirecTV must look at WMUR-TV as a government-imposed waste of bandwidth. That's not too far from the truth, since they are almost a complete clone of WCVB, except for local news. Mark From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Dec 26 09:42:48 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Dec 26 09:43:15 2003 Subject: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast Message-ID: <1072449779.1B58EC52@w37.dngr.org> WBZ-DT is now available from Comcast channel 804 The Pats game tomorrow will be in HD From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 11:39:28 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:39:35 2003 Subject: Jerry Williams site, scholarship Message-ID: <20031226163928.90776.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> I was referred to a tribute site to Jerry Williams, http://www.jerrywilliams.org, which has info on the late "Dean of Talk Radio" plus ways people can contribute to a scholarship fund (at B.U.) in his name. They're putting out a CD of his "greatest hits" and also next April, there will be a "Never Had a Dinner" dinner to benefit the fund. (Err, price is a bit too rich for my blood, but maybe we can have another benefit dinner at the No Name, where the mayor can't get you for parking...) From lorraine6474@usadatanet.net Fri Dec 26 11:41:25 2003 From: lorraine6474@usadatanet.net (Lorraine Smith) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:41:14 2003 Subject: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast References: <1072449779.1B58EC52@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <002d01c3cbcf$1b5c2bc0$0918da42@customer> Kevin Vahey wrote: > WBZ-DT is now available from Comcast channel 804 The Pats game tomorrow will be in HD Just for the fun of it I punched in 804 and got the audio on my cable. There appears to be a 3 second delay from the WBZ, channel 4 audio. The TV guide program line reads "to be announced". Lorraine From paul@03038.com Fri Dec 26 11:46:31 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:48:27 2003 Subject: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: <1072379143.68E3D7@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <005e01c3cbd0$2dac2b80$0e87fea9@q0002> Beacause Manchester NH is part of the Boston TV Market, and since Hearst Owns both WCVB and WMUR, there'd be no complaining about Ch 9 carrying the game. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 2:06 PM To: paul@03038.com; Mark Laurence; Paul Anderson Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: DirecTV (was TV Guide editions) Ch 9 has had problems with DirecTV for months. I am assuming wherever the uplink is for the local feeds they do not get a great OTA signal. Speaking of 9, how did they get permission to carry the ESPN game last Sat, but no Providence OTA was allowed? The NFL requires an OTA signal in the primary market (in this case WCVB) but how did MUR snesk in? On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 1:46pm, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > They use DirecTV where I work and when they put on MNF, Ch9 has > "ghosts" > (ah, brings bak memories of my living in Randolph MA getting ghosts on > 4,5 > and watching 10 and 12 from Providence which had much better pictures, > although Ch 6 (then WTEV) was NOT superior to the Boston ABC or CBS > affil > (depending on year)) > > Anyway, Ch 9 on DirecTV had ghosts! If you're in Line of Site of a > Broadcast > Signal, and the Signal on DirecTV (or any Satellite service FTM) > bounces off > the bucket of bolts 25K Mi up, ghosts are too be expected? When the > DirecTV > is set to Ch 5 WCVB, there are no ghosts. > > Anyone else notice this with their satellite service if their > line-of-site > to a broadcast signal? > > -Paul Hopfgarten > East Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf > Of Mark Laurence > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:59 PM > To: Paul Anderson > Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: TV Guide editions > > > > On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, at 09:30 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > >> On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:17 PM, Scott Fybush wrote: >> >>> My friends on the WTFDA (TV/FM DXers list) have been noticing that TV >>> Guide has consolidated a number of its regional editions out of >>> existence, effective with the 12/27/03 issue. Here in Rochester, our >>> "Rochester Edition" (which listed Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse) >>> has been merged into "Western New York," >> >> The Boston and Providence editions have been eliminated, replaced by a >> Boston-Providence edition. .. > > TV Guide is in tough shape overall, but local advertising in particular > is a shadow of its former self. Also, their new format has cut > coverage of daytime hours when local differences were most important. > Now they emphasize prime time network and cable channels and they could > almost consolidate to an Eastern Time Zone edition, like they do for > DirecTV. > > Mark From paul@03038.com Fri Dec 26 11:53:52 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Dec 26 11:53:36 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <002d01c3cbcf$1b5c2bc0$0918da42@customer> Message-ID: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> I saw my first HDTV program last Sunday Night (ESPN Indy vs Denver) at my brother-in-law's house on the "Big Screen". He had just hooked up to HDTV on Cable. The picture is sharper, but I don't think it's worth 4-digit $$ to buy. When HDTV gets under $500, then I'll buy. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Lorraine Smith Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:41 AM To: Kevin Vahey; Boston Radio Mailing List Subject: Re: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast Kevin Vahey wrote: > WBZ-DT is now available from Comcast channel 804 The Pats game tomorrow will be in HD Just for the fun of it I punched in 804 and got the audio on my cable. There appears to be a 3 second delay from the WBZ, channel 4 audio. The TV guide program line reads "to be announced". Lorraine From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Dec 26 12:16:35 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:11:09 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" Message-ID: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> An interesting article in the NY times today: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/26/arts/music/26SATE.html?th says that XM has 1 million subscribers and needs 3 million to break even. Sirius has 200K and needs 2 million to break even. Are there realistically 4 million+ more potential listeners waiting in the wings? The article noted that Sirius has changed management and their Pop Music is already taking a more conservative approach. Shades of terrestrial radio management. From rich@RichChadwick.com Fri Dec 26 12:11:27 2003 From: rich@RichChadwick.com (Rich Chadwick) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:11:39 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> Message-ID: <200312261711.hBQHBaDZ088756@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> >I saw my first HDTV program last Sunday Night (ESPN Indy vs Denver) at my >brother-in-law's house on the "Big Screen". He had just hooked up to HDTV >on Cable. Paul, Be careful with ESPN-HD, not all programming is actually HD, they often send just a digital version of the regular signal and stretch it out to 16:9 It will be nice having CBS in HD finally - does anyone know who blinked 1st - Comcast or BZ? Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From paul@03038.com Fri Dec 26 12:25:51 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:25:32 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <200312261711.hBQHBaDZ088756@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <006201c3cbd5$5a537f80$0e87fea9@q0002> ESPN "said" the broadcast was in HDTV and we had the TV set to Ch 849. (Comcast Lynn-Swamspcott) -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Rich Chadwick Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:11 PM To: paul@03038.com; 'Lorraine Smith'; 'Kevin Vahey'; 'Boston Radio Mailing List' Subject: RE: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) >I saw my first HDTV program last Sunday Night (ESPN Indy vs Denver) at my >brother-in-law's house on the "Big Screen". He had just hooked up to HDTV >on Cable. Paul, Be careful with ESPN-HD, not all programming is actually HD, they often send just a digital version of the regular signal and stretch it out to 16:9 It will be nice having CBS in HD finally - does anyone know who blinked 1st - Comcast or BZ? Rich Chadwick MultiMediaPros.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Dec 26 12:28:09 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri Dec 26 12:28:17 2003 Subject: DirecTV locals (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:03 AM -0500 12/26/03, Mark Laurence wrote: > >Channel 9 is really bad on DirecTV, and has been ever since they >added it to Boston local service. The other New Hampshire signals, >11 and 50, are much clearer. 50 looks pretty bad too, but I think >that's their own quality control, and not the feed to the bird. I >think DirecTV must look at WMUR-TV as a government-imposed waste of >bandwidth. That's not too far from the truth, since they are almost >a complete clone of WCVB, except for local news. I believe each station is responsible for getting it's signal to DirecTV's uplink, which for the Boston locals is located in Malden. So, if WMUR fails to deliver a clean signal, it's garbage in = garbage out. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Dec 26 16:43:02 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Dec 26 16:43:09 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <200312261711.hBQHBaDZ088756@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312261711.hBQHBaDZ088756@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200312262143.hBQLh2rR089812@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Be careful with ESPN-HD, not all programming is actually HD, they often send > just a digital version of the regular signal and stretch it out to 16:9 Even 480i at 16:9 is higher-definition than what one normally gets from a cable company. (Although I don't know how much extra compression Comcast does versus the original signals, and that could make a significant difference with respect to broadcast stations. The cable services are all compressed by an outfit in Colorado which specializes in real-time video compression.) Unlike with radio, digital TV really is better than analog TV. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Dec 26 17:22:05 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Dec 26 17:22:18 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <200312262143.hBQLh2rR089812@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312262143.hBQLh2rR089812@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1072477329.265F283@r31.dngr.org> As far as the NFL is concerned, the games are shot in HD on ESPN (Was in the truck when Joe said he liked Suzy) Tomorrows Pats/Bills game will be shot in HD as well On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 3:47pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Be careful with ESPN-HD, not all programming is actually HD, they >> often send >> just a digital version of the regular signal and stretch it out to >> 16:9 > > Even 480i at 16:9 is higher-definition than what one normally gets > from a cable company. (Although I don't know how much extra > compression Comcast does versus the original signals, and that could > make a significant difference with respect to broadcast stations. The > cable services are all compressed by an outfit in Colorado which > specializes in real-time video compression.) Unlike with radio, > digital TV really is better than analog TV. > > -GAWollman From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 26 17:42:21 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 26 17:41:12 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226172609.00a26aa0@pop3.bit-net.com> rogerkirk wrote: >An interesting article in the NY times today: >says that XM has 1 million subscribers and needs 3 million to break >even. Sirius has 200K and needs 2 million to break even. Are there >realistically 4 million+ more potential listeners waiting in the >wings? The article noted that Sirius has changed management and their Pop >Music is already taking a more conservative approach. Shades of >terrestrial radio management. This article sounded waaay too much like a composite of XM & Sirius press releases. Could the author have been a little more blatant in his gushing? While I think the concept of satellite-delivered pay radio is here to stay, I also think that the music channels need to be more mainstream and accessible. Too many of them seemed like they were influenced by postings on internet message boards. My brother in law had XM in his truck for a while and to me the music seemed to be a bit obscure for the non-music geek (at least on the channels I listened to). The 60s channel had stuff I'd never even heard of. I don't think that would translate well to the listener who still cranks it up when "Pretty Woman" comes on and thinks "Hot Fun In The Summertime" is an 'oh wow' song. Most people don't intently LISTEN to the radio, y'know, and indeed often tune out when something unfamilar comes on. I'd personally prefer it to be jockless...I didn't see the the voicetracked airstaff added much. I also found the relatively un-processed audio to be a bit annoying to listen to in a vehicle. That having been said, while I don't see satellite radio displacing terrestrial radio anytime soon, there is an audience for it out there. Whether this audience can support 2 competing providers, only time will tell. From billings@suscom-maine.net Fri Dec 26 17:43:40 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Fri Dec 26 17:43:46 2003 Subject: Christmas Music Message-ID: <002301c3cc01$b5789cc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> What has happened with the Boston stations that had been playing all Christmas music? In Maine, I noticed that WHOM was back to their regular format tonight, but 93.5 WCTB Fairfield was still playing Christmas music. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Dec 26 18:08:22 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:08:26 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <1072477329.265F283@r31.dngr.org> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312262143.hBQLh2rR089812@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1072477329.265F283@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200312262308.hBQN8Mx4090169@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > As far as the NFL is concerned, the games are shot in HD on ESPN Which HD? There's more than one format. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Dec 26 18:29:20 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:29:35 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <200312262308.hBQN8Mx4090169@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312262308.hBQN8Mx4090169@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1072481362.3736C799@s5.dngr.org> The games are shot 16:9 On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 5:08pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Which HD? There's more than one format. From elipolo@earthlink.net Fri Dec 26 18:39:53 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:31:23 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225172959.00a3ca50@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: On 12/25/03 5:34 PM, "SteveOrdinetz" wrote: > It's actually surprising there aren't more now than in the old > days...between rules changes to allow for unattended operation, and > reliable, versatile automation systems it would be easy to do... > I guess we could count the ever newer 106.5 WMEX as one such station > ...not sure what they do for AM drive but the rest of the time it's > just on autopilot. Ditto for WSNH and 1480 in Springfield, Vt. AM drive on WMEX is Gary James, formerly of WDRC Hartford, WMEX (1150) Boston and various other oldies and AC stations around New England. He was doing the show live last year, I haven't heard lately but I think he still is, though I think he's also voice-tracked on some of the other stations either owned or consulted by Dennis Jackson. Eli Polonsky From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Fri Dec 26 18:31:45 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:31:49 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <1072481362.3736C799@s5.dngr.org> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312262308.hBQN8Mx4090169@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <1072481362.3736C799@s5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <200312262331.hBQNVj4q090315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > The games are shot 16:9 OK, that narrows it down to about a dozen formats... -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Fri Dec 26 18:39:36 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:39:48 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <200312262331.hBQNVj4q090315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <005f01c3cbd0$e78fc160$0e87fea9@q0002> <200312262331.hBQNVj4q090315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1072481980.B7715B8@r5.dngr.org> 720p was chosen for live events as 1080i as 720 handles the motion of speed better On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 5:31pm, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > >> The games are shot 16:9 > > OK, that narrows it down to about a dozen formats... > > -GAWollman From paul@03038.com Fri Dec 26 19:58:08 2003 From: paul@03038.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri Dec 26 19:57:33 2003 Subject: Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <002301c3cc01$b5789cc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <002001c3cc14$855d43c0$0e87fea9@q0002> Both Star 93.7 (WQSX-Lawrence) and Oldies 103.3 (WODS-Boston) have returnedto their pre-Christmas formats. -Paul Hopfgarten -East Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of Dan Billings Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:44 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: Christmas Music What has happened with the Boston stations that had been playing all Christmas music? In Maine, I noticed that WHOM was back to their regular format tonight, but 93.5 WCTB Fairfield was still playing Christmas music. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 26 21:12:10 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 26 21:10:57 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031225172959.00a3ca50@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226210254.00a3ccf0@pop3.bit-net.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: >AM drive on WMEX is Gary James, > >I think he's also voice-tracked on some of >the other stations either owned or consulted by Dennis Jackson. To call it "voicetracked" is a bit of a stretch, at least on 1480 in Springfield, Vt (I keep wanting to call it WCFR, which I've always known them as, but those calls are on an FM in Walpole, N.H. now). They're basically just generic liners..."I'm (jock) playing great oldies for (town)". There seem to be a half dozen or so that just repeat during their "airshift". WSNH uses a similar approach, though if GJ does a "shift" there, it's when they're on night power. Between WMJX and WHOB I can't get 106.5 here. From steveord@bit-net.com Fri Dec 26 21:14:25 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri Dec 26 21:13:11 2003 Subject: Christmas Music In-Reply-To: <002001c3cc14$855d43c0$0e87fea9@q0002> References: <002301c3cc01$b5789cc0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226211259.00a3b280@pop3.bit-net.com> Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >Both Star 93.7 (WQSX-Lawrence) and Oldies 103.3 (WODS-Boston) have >returnedto their pre-Christmas formats. Which is what pretty much everyone expected. Both stations are successful, neither is likely to change. Not familiar with the 93.5 station in Maine. From rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net Fri Dec 26 22:35:39 2003 From: rogerkirk@mail.ttlc.net (rogerkirk) Date: Fri Dec 26 22:30:17 2003 Subject: Christmas Music Message-ID: <200312262235.AA1487929618@mail.ttlc.net> "Paul Hopfgarten" noted >Both Star 93.7 (WQSX-Lawrence) and Oldies 103.3 (WODS-Boston) have >returnedto their pre-Christmas formats. True, but WBZ is still playing Christmas commercials. Epson's FA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA & Delta Sky Miles Card for giving Christmas gifts among them. From earthradio@getgoin.net Fri Dec 26 22:50:06 2003 From: earthradio@getgoin.net (Luke) Date: Fri Dec 26 22:50:13 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226172609.00a26aa0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: on 12/26/03 4:42 PM, SteveOrdinetz at steveord@bit-net.com wrote: >My brother in law had > XM in his truck for a while and to me the music seemed to be a bit obscure > for the non-music geek (at least on the channels I listened to). The 60s > channel had stuff I'd never even heard of. I don't think that would > translate well to the listener who still cranks it up when "Pretty Woman" > comes on and thinks "Hot Fun In The Summertime" is an 'oh wow' song. Isn't it possible people are paying for XM to get away from narrow playlists, and a large portion of people who would invest in it expect something more than normal FM provides? Luke From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Dec 27 02:35:54 2003 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat Dec 27 02:35:58 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... Message-ID: <22989790.1072510554982.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> > From: SteveOrdinetz > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WV as in Victor, WVCA... > > Eli Polonsky wrote: > > AM drive on WMEX is Gary James, I think he's also voice-tracked > > on some of the other stations either owned or consulted by Dennis > > Jackson. > > ... WSNH uses a similar approach, though if GJ does a "shift" there, > it's when they're on night power. Between WMJX and WHOB I can't > get 106.5 here. Last I heard, James is not on WSNH in any form. I think their only live shift is still AM drive, but I don't know who is currently hosting it. I read that their first morning host as WSNH, a woman by the name Shelby (who had previously been James's morning show "sidekick" on WMEX 106.5), left for work at a Clear Channel owned station in Maine, I don't remember which one. WSNH has recently become much more difficult to receive around greater Boston since recent improvements to the modulation of Spanish 890 WAMG causes increased splatter to WSNH here. James's voice does appear mid-days on WNBX 1480 Springfield VT and WRIP 97.9 Windham (Hudson Valley) NY. (These according to the station websites, I haven't actually heard the stations). Eli Polonsky From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Dec 27 03:20:44 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Dec 27 03:20:51 2003 Subject: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) In-Reply-To: <1072481980.B7715B8@r5.dngr.org> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:40 PM >Subject: RE: HDTV (was RE: WBZ errr CBS4 HD now on Comcast) > > 720p was chosen for live events as 1080i as 720 handles the motion of >speed better 720p handles motion better than 1080i? Where is your proof in this? Not that I am calling you wrong, and I am certainly not, I have never read this little fact in anything I've read recently on HD and would like to know where you saw it. If ESPN is indeed using their HD truck and is using 720p, the reason could likely be attributed to the fact that ABC has 720p as the HD format.(And IIRC ESPN is using 720p on their own HD format). It would make sense to have all your HD equipment be running at the same format versus some using 1080i, and others using 720p. I know that the TV station I work at, although NBC, is encoding HD at 1080i. If NBC is passing a true HD signal (Leno for example), we are putting it on the air in HD. However when in local programming, or syndicated, we are just upconverting onto our HD channel. We have a HD switcher inline that switches on the HD encoder input from the Upconverter to the NBC Receiver and the Harris automation triggers the switcher. --Mike Fitzpatrick From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Dec 27 03:27:38 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Dec 27 03:27:44 2003 Subject: WRSI Sold In-Reply-To: <20031225051453.29108.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Nelson >Subject: Re: WRSI Sold > >Famous last words!! But who knows. > >change...WPVQ was also mentioned. I think they're >a country station known as The Bear? An interesting side note to this, is WPVQ 95.3, is running country. Saga just switched country on WINQ 97.7 in relatively nearby Winchendon. "Wink Country 977" (Which by the way is moving their antenna to NH, closer to Keene "Metro" [for lack of a better term]) One wonders if 95.3 will become a simulcast of "Wink Country". The country music fan in that area certainly doesn't have a lack of radio stations to listen to, as there are at least 4 country stations that come in , in the area. (For the list, WINQ 97.7 Winchendon, WYRY 104.9 Hinsdale, NH, WPVQ 95.3 Greenfield, WWYZ 92.5 Hartford, and weaker but does come in spotty in the area are WPKX 97.9 Enfield, WGNA 107.7 Albany, WKLB 99.5 Lowell, and even WOKQ 97.5 Dover). --Mike Fitzpatrick. From engineer@the-spa.com Sat Dec 27 03:36:26 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sat Dec 27 03:36:32 2003 Subject: DirecTV locals (was TV Guide editions) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Weil >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 12:28 PM >Subject: Re: DirecTV locals (was TV Guide editions) > >I believe each station is responsible for getting it's signal to >DirecTV's uplink, which for the Boston locals is located in Malden. >So, if WMUR fails to deliver a clean signal, it's garbage in = >garbage out. DirecTV's policy is this in Hartford, Connecticut and I assume is the same in other markets. If the station has a certain signal strength over the city, then it is DirecTV's responsibility. If it does not fall into that category, then it is the remote station's responsibility. --Mike Fitzpatrick From markwats@comcast.net Sat Dec 27 07:55:25 2003 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat Dec 27 07:54:53 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... References: <22989790.1072510554982.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002a01c3cc78$b23ed570$64f88018@markscomputer> Eli Polonsky wrote: > Last I heard, James is not on WSNH in any form. I think their only > live shift is still AM drive, but I don't know who is currently hosting it. Someone by the name of "Jenny C" is currently doing mornings on WSNH. I don't believe Gary James ever did mornings on WSNH. The first morning host on WSNH only lasted a week, Jenny C was the sidekick to this host, who's name I don't recall at the moment. When he left, Jenny C took over the morning slot solo. There is a woman who does the news as well in AM drive, again name escapes me. > I read that their first morning host as WSNH, a woman by the name > Shelby (who had previously been James's morning show "sidekick" > on WMEX 106.5), left for work at a Clear Channel owned station in > Maine, I don't remember which one. I thought I recall reading somewhere, not sure if it was Scott Fybush's NERW or another on line radio board, that Shelby went to WERZ (107.1 Exeter NH). However, Shelby's still "does" middays on WSNH, although it's just the same 6 or 8 recorded liners rotated around, same deal as WNBX (1480 Springfield VT) that was mentioned by someone in another post. >WSNH has recently become much more difficult to receive around > greater Boston since recent improvements to the modulation of > Spanish 890 WAMG causes increased splatter to WSNH here. WAMG's signal strength and splatter has increased in Lowell as well, especially the day pattern/power. That has been noticeable over the last couple of months. Did they make improvements to their TX site or did they tweak the pattern a bit? Mark Watson Mark Watson From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Dec 27 07:56:18 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Dec 27 07:55:06 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226172609.00a26aa0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031227075102.00a455a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Luke wrote: >Isn't it possible people are paying for XM to get away from narrow >playlists, and a large portion of people who would invest in it expect >something more than normal FM provides? Quite possibly. The question was whether there enough such people to be able to support 2 (or even 1) such service. My reply was that despite all the griping by the radio/music geeks, most people seem to be relatively satisfied with the "free" offerings. From steveord@bit-net.com Sat Dec 27 08:02:14 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat Dec 27 08:01:03 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: <22989790.1072510554982.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.ear thlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031227075722.00a244a0@pop3.bit-net.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: > > >I read that their first morning host as WSNH, a woman by the name >Shelby (who had previously been James's morning show "sidekick" >on WMEX 106.5), left for work at a Clear Channel owned station in >Maine, I don't remember which one. AFAIK, she "does" mid-days on WSNH. Last time I listened her liners were still there. Dunno if they plan to replace her liners with someone else. It's not like they change them regularly, so she could continue to "do" mid-days even though she doesn't work for Dennis anymore I don't think she ever did AM drive, though they did have a local male/female morning team. Neither sounded all that experienced. From Kaimbridge@programmer.net Sat Dec 27 15:16:18 2003 From: Kaimbridge@programmer.net (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat Dec 27 15:18:38 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies Message-ID: <3FEDE892.D5FB13EA@Programmer.Net> Dan Strassberg wrote, > Still, WBOQ now sounds more like WPLM-FM than any > station I can pick up That was my initial conclusion, too (even the promos sound 'PLM-ish), UNTIL I heard Steve Miller's "Rock'N Me"--somehow I don't think that would make it on *their* (WPLM) playlist! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wanted?Kaimbridge (w/mugshot!): http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/Wanted_KMGC.html ---------- Digitology?The Grand Theory Of The Universe: http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/digitology/index.html ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 27 23:02:33 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat Dec 27 23:03:26 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: <22989790.1072510554982.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3FEE0F89.3968.2D62E8@localhost> On 26 Dec 2003 at 23:35, Eli Polonsky wrote: > James's voice does appear mid-days on WNBX 1480 Springfield VT > and WRIP 97.9 Windham (Hudson Valley) NY. (These according to > the station websites, I haven't actually heard the stations). Is WRIP, by any chance, owned by a funeral home? Just wondering. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 28 00:06:31 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 28 00:06:37 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: <3FEE0F89.3968.2D62E8@localhost> References: <3FEE0F89.3968.2D62E8@localhost> Message-ID: At 11:02 PM -0500 12/27/03, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > WRIP 97.9 Windham (Hudson Valley) NY. >Is WRIP, by any chance, owned by a funeral home? Just wondering. My guess, given the location of the station, is that it's a reference to Rip Van Winkle. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From engineer@the-spa.com Sun Dec 28 02:30:31 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Sun Dec 28 02:29:58 2003 Subject: WV as in Victor, WVCA... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:02 PM -0500 12/27/03, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >Is WRIP, by any chance, owned by a funeral home? Just wondering. It is owned by Dennis Jackson. --Mike Fitzpatrick. From ben@hrdent.com Sun Dec 28 13:36:27 2003 From: ben@hrdent.com (Ben Gore) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:34:53 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031226172609.00a26aa0@pop3.bit-net.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20031227075102.00a455a0@pop3.bit-net.com> <3FEF21D4.4050108@hrdent.com> Message-ID: <3FEF22AB.3000507@hrdent.com> > Luke wrote: > >> Isn't it possible people are paying for XM to get away from narrow >> playlists, and a large portion of people who would invest in it expect >> something more than normal FM provides? > > SteveOrdinetz wrote: >> Quite possibly. The question was whether there enough such people to >> be able to support 2 (or even 1) such service. My reply was that >> despite all the griping by the radio/music geeks, most people seem to >> be relatively satisfied with the "free" offerings. > > ...Or they choose to listen to their own music collection that they burned a compilation CD from, or (now) their kid's DVDs while driving home from soccer practice, or they talk on the cell phone, or message by wireless PDA or Blackberry, or any number of other distractions they have in the car now. At home they have all the cable/satellite channels, the internet and everything else they had in the car. With all these other technologies competing for time and attention, it's getting harder for any one of them to be a winner. I hope at least one of the satellite radio providers survive, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them rolled up into a satellite TV provider or some similar consolidation in the future. -Ben From paulranderson@charter.net Sun Dec 28 17:46:26 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun Dec 28 17:49:56 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: On Dec 26, 2003, at 12:16 PM, rogerkirk wrote: > An interesting article in the NY times today: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/26/arts/music/26SATE.html?th > > says that XM has 1 million subscribers and needs 3 million to break > even. Sirius has 200K and needs 2 million to break even. Are there > realistically 4 million+ more potential listeners waiting in the > wings? 3,999,999 as of January 5 when I get XM installed in my car. I'm tired of the struggle to find any halfway decent music on the radio without sifting through songs I've heard way too many times. AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that it's fine for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional radio for music. I'll still listen to WBZ for news, WTAG for more local news and the Sox and WXRV for a good tune once in a while, but I'm hoping not to tire of XM's seventy music channels for a while. Paul From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 28 18:58:30 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 28 18:58:42 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <3FEF27D6.4079.1B5585E@localhost> On 28 Dec 2003 at 17:46, Paul Anderson wrote: > AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than > lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that it's fine > for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, > friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional radio for > music. If this is a real trend that can be tracked in ratings, one would think that the owners of radio stations would notice, worry about it, and change their programming in response. But I suspect that (a) the effect hasn't impacted ratings enough for them to be worried, and (b) the inertia of large corporations is great. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From steveord@bit-net.com Sun Dec 28 19:49:08 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun Dec 28 19:47:59 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <3FEF27D6.4079.1B5585E@localhost> References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031228193329.00a32790@pop3.bit-net.com> >Paul Anderson wrote: > > > AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than > > lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that it's fine > > for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, > > friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional radio for > > music. This "lowest common denominator" argument has been around for decades. Who was the FCC commisioner who described tv as a "vast wasteland"? This was in the 50s if I'm not mistaken. So much for "golden era". Maybe we're just getting harder to please...57 channels and nothing's on (what a great idea for a song!). The real test of XM/Sirius is when the novelty wears off. A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >If this is a real trend that can be tracked in ratings, one would think >that the owners of radio >stations would notice, worry about it, and change their programming in >response. But I >suspect that (a) the effect hasn't impacted ratings enough for them to be >worried, and (b) the >inertia of large corporations is great. 1 million +/- receivers sold. What's the population of the U.S....270 million or something like that? Pretty small percentage of the population. Will satellite radio eventually become a factor? Probably, though as Ben Gore noted in his post, there is so much competiton for our time these days it's not likely -anything- will attain the critical mass radio had, and to a great degree still has. My guess is that it will evolve in a way similar to tv...other than us on this list, how many people differentiate between a cable-only channel and a broadcast one? I really don't see how the extremely "narrow but deep" formats of satellite radio can transfer to terrestrial. The only way terrestrial radio can compete with that is even more consolidation where one company can "own" a large number of formats in a given market and pitch them to advertisers as a group. And we know how popular -that- scenario is in certain circles. >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com >Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Sun Dec 28 21:39:37 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun Dec 28 21:39:41 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> Message-ID: <200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than > lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that it's fine > for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, > friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional radio for > music. It's interesting that you say this, as it closely mirrors my perception. However, many broadcasters still believe Arbitron when they say that overall "usage of radio" has actually increased. (I personally find Arbitron's methodology so dubious as to require large quantities of salt taken with everything they say.) -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Dec 28 21:53:37 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun Dec 28 21:53:43 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> <200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 9:39 PM -0500 12/28/03, Garrett Wollman wrote: > However, many broadcasters still believe Arbitron when >they say that overall "usage of radio" has actually increased. (I >personally find Arbitron's methodology so dubious as to require large >quantities of salt taken with everything they say.) And since Arbitron's customer base may depend on the perception that radio listenership is not declining, it is probably to their advantage not to report bad news. I also noticed on the Sirius website that they are offering a lifetime subscription (the life of the radio) for $399 thru Jan 31. I'm quite tempted, especially considering the recent loss of one format in the area, but I think I'll wait until I buy my next car. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 28 22:00:53 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun Dec 28 22:01:15 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net> <200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> How can anything EXCEPT the least-common-denominator be acceptable when radio "professionals" on this list, who darned well ought to know better, INSISTED that WBOQ's format change HAD to indicate that the station was not making money under its old format and INSISTED that the old format was Adult Standards (which it wasn't)? Apparently their small minds couldn't grasp the concept of variants on that format--at least not on terrestrial commercial radio. If the people here--whose IQs must average 30 points more than those of agency time buyers--can't deal with the possibility of terrestrial commercial stations carrying anything besides cookie-cutter formats, how can there be any hope that we will ever hear anything else? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Wollman To: Paul Anderson Cc: Boston Radio Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: XM gets "sirius" > < said: > > > AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than > > lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that it's fine > > for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, > > friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional radio for > > music. > > It's interesting that you say this, as it closely mirrors my > perception. However, many broadcasters still believe Arbitron when > they say that overall "usage of radio" has actually increased. (I > personally find Arbitron's methodology so dubious as to require large > quantities of salt taken with everything they say.) > > -GAWollman > From lawyer@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 28 22:34:42 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun Dec 28 22:34:58 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031228193329.00a32790@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <3FEF27D6.4079.1B5585E@localhost> Message-ID: <3FEF5A82.2439.27B4E87@localhost> On 28 Dec 2003 at 19:49, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > This "lowest common denominator" argument has been around for decades. > Who was the FCC commisioner who described tv as a "vast wasteland"? This > was in the 50s if I'm not mistaken. So much for "golden era". It was Newton J. Minow, chairman of the FCC during the Kennedy Administration, circa 1962. Shortly after that, on a TV variety show, Jimmy Durante announced, "Da next hour will be devoted to upliftin' da quality of television. At least, Newt, we're tryin'!" -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From miscon@miscon.net Mon Dec 29 10:55:05 2003 From: miscon@miscon.net (Mission Control) Date: Mon Dec 29 10:55:22 2003 Subject: When automation goes bad... Message-ID: <200312291055.AA86573194@miscon.net> It appears that an alert listener to 1430 WXKS AM (or at least one who was breathing) over the weekend noticed that the Columbus Day Weekend weather forecast at played at least twice. (The listener called in to wish their live morning show a "Happy Columbus Day.") Now this is probably minor in comparison to some of the automation flubs some of you might have heard... Mike From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 11:42:16 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Mon Dec 29 11:49:03 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > How can anything EXCEPT the least-common-denominator be acceptable when > radio "professionals" on this list, who darned well ought to know better, > INSISTED that WBOQ's format change HAD to indicate that the station was not > making money under its old format and INSISTED that the old format was Adult > Standards (which it wasn't)? Apparently their small minds couldn't grasp the > concept of variants on that format--at least not on terrestrial commercial > radio. If the people here--whose IQs must average 30 points more than those > of agency time buyers--can't deal with the possibility of terrestrial > commercial stations carrying anything besides cookie-cutter formats, how can > there be any hope that we will ever hear anything else? Here's my take.... Radio is BROADcasting...MASS appeal...to get as MANY listeners to listen as possible....to get them to listen as LONG as possible. That's how stations make money. ...more people...and....longer they listen. That's what substantiates an owner parking his assets in a radio station...instead of in the bank. So, the so-called, "lowest common denominator" is a sarcastic way of noting that radio is doing it's job. Some of the most complained about stations (WCRB) are highly sucessful...and brought more listeners to the station than at any other time since it's inception. People complain about the short playlists. (Gee, let's remove some of these very popular records and replace them with less popular records.) "Gee, let's play Dan's favorite classical pieces and have a lot less listeners! Gee there's an idea!" Radio isn't an IPOD, or CD burning...it's not your personal music station. It's part of a show...when you are at a concert, the band will play some songs you like, some you don't...but you understand that there are 30,000 other people at the stadium. People have forgotten that's what radio does, broadcast to a stadium at all times. HOWEVER, there IS one point that is valid. Time Spent Listening (TSL) seems to be going down slowly nationwide year after year. I think radio is becoming MORE trivial by the minute because it is so focused on itself, its revenues and its profits. "Listener focus" at the top....is history. The whole notion of connecting with intensity to listeners one at a time is regarded is an anachronism. Not a pretty picture. $.02 ...back to lurking mode. JP From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 29 13:06:17 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 29 13:07:13 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Joe: Your condescending, cock-sure tone is just PERFECT for your message, but what you wrote is simply not true. With 13,000+ radio signals in this country, the market is HIGHLY fragmented, except in small markets where few signals are audible. It is NOT at all OBVIOUS that the most profitable strategy for all stations in medium and large markets is to cater to the lowest common denominator. The proof is that in many medium and large markets "narrowcasting" to ethnic minorities yields owners of secondary signals (and in some cases MAJOR signals, such as WIND Chicago, WADO New York, and KHJ Los Angeles) much greater profits than are possible by attempting to split the majority audience with four or five competitors. The whole radio landscape is filled with stations that target narrow segments. News, issue-oriented talk, and sports talk, are only a few of the niches that don't cater to the largest segments. The reason that broadcasters are such copycats is that, as a group, they are greedy and stupid (which DOES NOT mean that there are no exceptions). So much erroneous "conventional wisdom" floats around the industry that nearly everybody believes it. And so we have a herd of sheep (with the intelligence of sheep) making format decisions--and what looks to me to be no chance of reversing the trend. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Pappalardo To: Dan Strassberg Cc: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: XM gets "sirius" > > > How can anything EXCEPT the least-common-denominator be acceptable when > > radio "professionals" on this list, who darned well ought to know better, > > INSISTED that WBOQ's format change HAD to indicate that the station was > not > > making money under its old format and INSISTED that the old format was > Adult > > Standards (which it wasn't)? Apparently their small minds couldn't grasp > the > > concept of variants on that format--at least not on terrestrial commercial > > radio. If the people here--whose IQs must average 30 points more than > those > > of agency time buyers--can't deal with the possibility of terrestrial > > commercial stations carrying anything besides cookie-cutter formats, how > can > > there be any hope that we will ever hear anything else? > > Here's my take.... > > Radio is BROADcasting...MASS appeal...to get as MANY listeners to listen as > possible....to get them to listen as LONG as possible. > > That's how stations make money. ...more people...and....longer they listen. > > That's what substantiates an owner parking his assets in a radio > station...instead of in the bank. > > So, the so-called, "lowest common denominator" is a sarcastic way of noting > that radio is doing it's job. > > Some of the most complained about stations (WCRB) are highly sucessful...and > brought more listeners to the station than at any other time since it's > inception. > > People complain about the short playlists. (Gee, let's remove some of these > very popular records and replace them with less popular records.) > > "Gee, let's play Dan's favorite classical pieces and have a lot less > listeners! Gee there's an idea!" > > Radio isn't an IPOD, or CD burning...it's not your personal music station. > It's part of a show...when you are at a concert, the band will play some > songs you like, some you don't...but you understand that there are 30,000 > other people at the stadium. People have forgotten that's what radio does, > broadcast to a stadium at all times. > > HOWEVER, there IS one point that is valid. Time Spent Listening (TSL) seems > to be going down slowly nationwide year after year. I think radio is > becoming MORE trivial by the minute because it is so focused on itself, its > revenues > and its profits. "Listener focus" at the top....is history. The whole > notion of connecting with intensity to listeners one at a time is regarded > is an anachronism. Not a pretty picture. > > $.02 > > ...back to lurking mode. > > JP > From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 29 14:22:59 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (kvahey@tmail.com) Date: Mon Dec 29 14:23:05 2003 Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios Message-ID: <4284612.1072725779119.JavaMail.turbine@s77> This story was sent to you by: Kevin Vahey -------------------- Television finds spot on dials of car radios -------------------- Nugent Vitallo has spent $825,000 and many years to create a device to listen to TV shows while driving, but will it gain an audience? By Matt Baron Special to the Tribune December 29, 2003 We have put man on the moon, inserted cameras inside the human body and developed soft drinks unencumbered by calories. So why on earth, wonders Nugent Vitallo, has nobody put television audio in the car radio? Vitallo is stumped by that question, but for the past eight years the Oak Brook entrepreneur has been pouring more of his energy into bringing such a product to the masses. He calls it Television Audio, or TVA, and he thought he had the breakthrough three years ago. But an engineering glitch resulted in too much static over the airwaves during a trial run and sent him back to the designing board. Now, after investing five years of full-time effort and about $825,000, Vitallo this month is producing a limited run of 200 units out of a Glendale Heights plant. He is trying to get many of those units into cars by offering small rebates to charter consumers through his Web site. And he's on the lookout for an investor to help launch the product on a broader scale. TVA allows motorists to use their vehicle's radio to listen to the audio of VHF and UHF television programs, meaning that it hooks up with major networks like ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox, as well as such other networks as PBS, Pax and WB that broadcast over independent stations. The device, priced from $130 to $150, with no subscription fee, uses the vehicle's existing antenna and places TV audio on 90.5 or 90.9 FM. A small control is mounted on the dashboard, connected to a tiny transceiver that can be hidden behind the dashboard or placed elsewhere in a vehicle. As the driver travels, a favorites list is automatically created to scan all of the channels strong enough to provide clear audio. Vitallo does not view it as competing with high-tech developments such as XM digital radio, which he acknowledges provides a better sound quality but does not enable someone to follow TV programs from their home to their car. About 25 years ago, Vitallo created the forerunner to TVA when he lugged his 18-inch TV set into the back seat of his Oldsmobile convertible, fiddled with the electronic connections and managed to tune in to the television as he drove. "I didn't care about the picture," he recalled. "I just ran wires in the battery." He preferred listening to the television over the radio but got worn out by the repeated shuttling of the TV in and out of the car when he had passengers in the back. History of success Vitallo went on to own National Computer Services Inc., a company that sold time-sharing for mainframe computers. When he sold the enterprise in 1992, he was left with ample cash and time to ponder his next move. For the 65-year-old, those forays included the development of Inside Pocket Shirts, which hide valuables in, well, an inside pocket and keeps them from falling out; the creation of Card Wrap, a credit card holder; and the birth of a Web site that aims to put Major League Baseball teams' performances in context by comparing their records with their payrolls. "He's kind of a renaissance man," said Rick Del Giudice, a longtime friend and business attorney. "He's been successful in different businesses; he's written manuscripts. He's very well rounded." Vitallo's big idea crystallized over a conversation with someone who remembered his TV-in-the-car days, business attorney John Stiefel. "Here I am floundering after I sold my company, and that's all I needed to hear," said Vitallo. "It's the fun of the chase." With nearly 200 million cars on American roads--more than the number of licensed drivers--Vitallo said there is a vast market for TV companies to tap into to expand their ad revenue. Ch. 5 chief sees hurdles But Larry Wert, president and general manager of WMAQ-Ch. 5 in Chicago, said one of TVA's major hurdles is competing with the growing number of access points to an audience. "I would need to see and understand it more," said Wert. "As a consumer, there are more options now, and there will be more in the future. The challenge is it's coming at a time when distribution systems are growing, and media platforms are growing at a faster rate than content." Wert is doubtful the advertising revenue would be substantial with TVA, but he was sufficiently intrigued with the concept to meet with Vitallo two years ago to discuss it. The idea of putting audio content from TV stations or cable outlets onto radio distribution systems has "always been very interesting to me," said Wert. Radio outlets are looking for quality content, and something like TVA could be appealing for those tuned in to a program and interested, for instance, in hearing a guest on the "Today" show, Wert said. "You're still able to stay engaged in the content," said Wert. "It gives them an alternative to stay with it." Del Giudice sampled TVA for a weekend about a year ago. He listened to a college basketball game that he had been watching at home. "As somebody who enjoys sports, that's a particularly good thing to have," said Del Giudice. "A lot of times, games on TV are not on radio." Vitallo has a vision of empowering people to have the option of tuning in to their television program, but in a safer, less expensive fashion than the installation of TV sets that has begun in some vehicles. The way he sees it, why should you have to give up following a newscast, a sitcom or a ballgame just because you have to go somewhere? Vitallo, for example, frequently listens to "Jeopardy" on the way to picking up his 9-year-old daughter, Gianna, from school. "There's no reason why a housewife shouldn't be able to listen to her soap opera just because she's picking up her kids or running errands," he said. Vitallo added that getting the news is an entirely different experience with TVA over typical radio stations. "Why would I want to hear it second-hand on the radio?" Vitallo said. Copyright (c) 2003, Chicago Tribune -------------------- Improved archives! Searching Chicagotribune.com archives back to 1985 is cheaper and easier than ever. New prices for multiple articles can bring your cost down to as low as 30 cents an article: http://www.chicagotribune.com/archives From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 14:30:33 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Mon Dec 29 14:36:50 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg><028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <014f01c3ce42$42578060$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> > Joe: Your condescending, cock-sure tone is just PERFECT for your message... Thank you. > but what you wrote is simply not true. With 13,000+ radio signals in this > country, the market is HIGHLY fragmented, except in small markets where few > signals are audible. It is NOT at all OBVIOUS that the most profitable > strategy for all stations in medium and large markets is to cater to the > lowest common denominator. The term "Lowest Common Denominator" is euphemism. The fact remains that the most profitable stations try to get the MOST people listening for the LONGEST time possible. (Add in the factor of advertisers wanting to reach "their" audience most efficently...i.e...Beer for sports, tractors for Country, funriture for people settling into a house.) > The proof is that in many medium and large > markets "narrowcasting" to ethnic minorities yields owners of secondary > signals (and in some cases MAJOR signals, such as WIND Chicago, WADO New > York, and KHJ Los Angeles) much greater profits than are possible by > attempting to split the majority audience with four or five competitors. Whatever these stations are doing, they are doing it because they believe this will give them the most audeince, for the longest time....and an audience which advertisers want to reach. > The reason that broadcasters are > such copycats is that, as a group, they are greedy and stupid (which DOES > NOT mean that there are no exceptions). The reason radio broadcasters are such copycats, is because they do R & D, much like any other business, to find out what works, and what their listeners want. Again, I point to your favorite target WCRB. Highly sucessful, highly profitable...more people are enjoying classical music in Boston now than ever before. But you are still not happy. Oh, yes, Sumner Redstone, Mel Karmazin, etc. Why, yes...these sre some of the stupidest people on earth, right? As far as "greedy"....this isn't a charity, hospital, or soup kitchen. It's a business, much like you expect your bank to give you the highest yeild on your deposit as possible...and the lowest rate on your mortgage. That's why an owner puts his money in radio...and not in a mattress. Is that greed? > So much erroneous "conventional > wisdom" floats around the industry that nearly everybody believes it. You have yet to provide one peice of erroneous wisdom... > And so > we have a herd of sheep (with the intelligence of sheep) making format > decisions--and what looks to me to be no chance of reversing the trend. If your point is that you have more intelligence than a sheep....I suppose if you were running WCRB, they would NOT be one of the most listened to classical station in America, they would play ENTIRE LONG peices of music, they would be LESS profitable, and fewer people would enjoy Classical music in Boston. But you would be happy, right? From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 29 15:18:16 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:24:50 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg><028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <014f01c3ce42$42578060$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <001801c3ce49$ca17d5c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> You have me confused with Laurence Glavin of Methuen. WCRB has never been a target of mine. Sorry. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Pappalardo To: Dan Strassberg Cc: Boston Radio Interest Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: XM gets "sirius" > > > Joe: Your condescending, cock-sure tone is just PERFECT for your > message... > > Thank you. > > > but what you wrote is simply not true. With 13,000+ radio signals in this > > country, the market is HIGHLY fragmented, except in small markets where > few > > signals are audible. It is NOT at all OBVIOUS that the most profitable > > strategy for all stations in medium and large markets is to cater to the > > lowest common denominator. > > The term "Lowest Common Denominator" is euphemism. > > The fact remains that the most profitable stations try to get the MOST > people listening for the LONGEST time possible. > (Add in the factor of advertisers wanting to reach "their" audience most > efficently...i.e...Beer for sports, tractors for Country, funriture for > people settling into a house.) > > > The proof is that in many medium and large > > markets "narrowcasting" to ethnic minorities yields owners of secondary > > signals (and in some cases MAJOR signals, such as WIND Chicago, WADO New > > York, and KHJ Los Angeles) much greater profits than are possible by > > attempting to split the majority audience with four or five competitors. > > Whatever these stations are doing, they are doing it because they believe > this will give them the most audeince, for the longest time....and an > audience which advertisers want to reach. > > > The reason that broadcasters are > > such copycats is that, as a group, they are greedy and stupid (which DOES > > NOT mean that there are no exceptions). > > The reason radio broadcasters are such copycats, is because they do R & D, > much like any other business, to find out what works, and what their > listeners want. > > Again, I point to your favorite target WCRB. Highly sucessful, highly > profitable...more people are enjoying classical music in Boston now than > ever before. But you are still not happy. > > Oh, yes, Sumner Redstone, Mel Karmazin, etc. Why, yes...these sre some of > the stupidest people on earth, right? > > As far as "greedy"....this isn't a charity, hospital, or soup kitchen. It's > a business, much like you expect your bank to give you the highest yeild on > your deposit as possible...and the lowest rate on your mortgage. > > That's why an owner puts his money in radio...and not in a mattress. Is > that greed? > > > So much erroneous "conventional > > wisdom" floats around the industry that nearly everybody believes it. > > You have yet to provide one peice of erroneous wisdom... > > > And so > > we have a herd of sheep (with the intelligence of sheep) making format > > decisions--and what looks to me to be no chance of reversing the trend. > > If your point is that you have more intelligence than a sheep....I suppose > if you were running WCRB, they would NOT be one of the most listened to > classical station in America, they would play ENTIRE LONG peices of music, > they would be LESS profitable, and fewer people would enjoy Classical music > in Boston. > > But you would be happy, right? > > From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 15:35:44 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Mon Dec 29 15:41:42 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu><001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg><028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com><002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg><014f01c3ce42$42578060$1404fea9@aoldsl.net> <001801c3ce49$ca17d5c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <000901c3ce4b$568483e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> apologies... ;-) jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "Joseph Pappalardo" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: XM gets "sirius" > You have me confused with Laurence Glavin of Methuen. WCRB has never been a > target of mine. Sorry. > > -- > Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 29 16:58:19 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 29 16:58:21 2003 Subject: XM gets 'sirius' In-Reply-To: <028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <55568.216.204.15.170.1072735099.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> Joe P. wrote... > Radio isn't an IPOD, or CD burning...it's not your personal music > station. It's part of a show...when you are at a concert, the band will > play some songs you like, some you don't...but you understand that there > are 30,000 other people at the stadium. People have forgotten that's > what radio does, broadcast to a stadium at all times. Interesting how you brought up a concert. What gets the best response when a band or artist is doing a concert? Their -HITS-! That's what people go to hear, not some obscure track off the band's third album. > HOWEVER, there IS one point that is valid. Time Spent Listening (TSL) > seems to be going down slowly nationwide year after year. I think radio > is becoming MORE trivial by the minute because it is so focused on > itself, its revenues > and its profits. "Listener focus" at the top....is history. The whole > notion of connecting with intensity to listeners one at a time is > regarded is an anachronism. Not a pretty picture. But is it because radio is doing such a lousy job, or just that there are more choices today. You mentioned Ipods, & custom CDs. Just like in the 60s & 70s CBS, ABC & NBC were pretty much your only choices for tv. Now look at the sheer number of "cable" channels available, yet tv viewership is dropping too. Is it any wonder any one source's numbers are being watered down? Do newspapers suck more today than they did in 1975? If you go by circulation figures, they must. Radio isn't the only choice these days for entertainment or information. Need the weather, wanna know the score or an update on a news story? It's a lot faster to just look it up online. Radio doesn't have the monopoly it once did...it's old media and "wonderful eclectic formats" aren't gonna change that. From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 29 17:13:56 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 29 17:13:59 2003 Subject: XM gets 'sirius' In-Reply-To: <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <200312261216.AA1168441660@mail.ttlc.net><200312290239.hBT2dbQD002475@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <001e01c3cdb7$feb52720$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <028401c3ce2a$db18f4e0$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <55868.216.204.15.170.1072736036.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> "Dan Strassberg" wrote... > The reason that broadcasters are such copycats is > that, as a group, they are greedy and stupid (which DOES NOT mean that > there are no exceptions). So much erroneous "conventional wisdom" floats > around the industry that nearly everybody believes it. And so we have a > herd of sheep (with the intelligence of sheep) making format > decisions--and what looks to me to be no chance of reversing the trend. No, the reason that broadcasters are such copycats is that they're human. It's a lot easier to take a proven formula that works than to take the chance on something unproven where you might lose your shirt. Besides, what is so horrible about similarity? I can take a drive thru a new housing development...2, maybe 3 styles of houses with maybe 3 pastel colors...all the houses look pretty much alike. Yet people are spending $300,000 or more on them. Can anyone tell a Camry from an Accord from an Impala at 25 paces? They all look like they came off the same assembly line! Again, people are ponying up $25,000 for 'em. They'll spend some pretty big bucks for something that looks just like their neighbor's et somehow we should expect every radio station to be a unique entity? Gimme a break. How many people know or care that a (insert format here) station in Boston sounds pretty much like one in Omaha? I'm sorry to hear that your favorite station changed format. It's not the end of the world. There are probably a few people around that are still p/o'ed that WCOZ isn't still around playing Journey and AC/DC too. Why don't you buy your own station and show us how it's done? From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 29 18:03:01 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:03:18 2003 Subject: Museum of Broadcast Communications Chicago Message-ID: <1072738984.271002F4@r31.dngr.org> I have spent a very enjoyable day at the MBC in Chicago. Good thing I came today as the museum closes tomorrow to move to a new home. The Hall of Fame is a bit quirky, Jack Benny, Bob Hope, Jim Bohannon, Mel Karmazin to name a few They have an exhibit, on Rock n Roll on the radio and Woo Woo Ginsberg is included. Jim Bohannon? From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 29 18:16:54 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:17:02 2003 Subject: XM gets "sirius" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005d01c3ce61$d9f04e60$0100007f@boneill> Paul: > 3,999,999 as of January 5 when I get XM installed in my car. > AM and FM radio has failed to provide anything other than > lowest-common-denominator entertainment. The generality that > it's fine for most people might be true, but most people I talk to (neighbors, friends and coworkers) have similarly given up on traditional > radio for music. I haven't made that commitment just yet, sat. radio. It's just a matter of time. Listening was troublesome, at best. I started a list of what I heard what was positive versus negative. The latter prompted a lot of pencil sharpening. I could not get a Boston "feel" from most of the stations I listened to. Considered the possibility that the regular talent was home with family, but.... As I scanned around, one station that never gets a mention and one I'd not listened to for years was significant for just being what it's sold itself as: WILD (1090 Boston.) Hope that compliment doesn't confer a pox upon the signal. Overall observations: - Same old boring liners, big-boy voices all trying to be relevant. - Talkers way too into themselves versus just letting the format do what it does if you just shut up. - Music rotation about as safe as it gets. + Star 93.7, inasmuch as I am not into their mix, is different. Refreshingly. Diana Steele in ayem drive seems to work well. She's above the fray in terms of generosity with mic presence by co-hosts. - WMJX (106.7 Boston) calls that stuff they play Sunday mornings "jazz?" Good thing they aren't the guys in charge of labeling the stuff that we eat. ...more.... Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Dec 29 18:52:29 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:52:35 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? Message-ID: <001101c3ce66$d1e5f300$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing all Christmas music. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Dec 29 18:54:39 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:54:42 2003 Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios References: <4284612.1072725779119.JavaMail.turbine@s77> Message-ID: <001801c3ce67$1f21fba0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios > This story was sent to you by: Kevin Vahey > > -------------------- > Television finds spot on dials of car radios > -------------------- > > Nugent Vitallo has spent $825,000 and many years to create a device to listen to TV shows while driving, but will it gain an audience? I listen to the WCSH news on 87.7 almost every day. I'm not sure I would pay $150 so I could do it but I do listen in the car. From steveord@bit-net.com Mon Dec 29 20:17:11 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon Dec 29 20:16:09 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <001101c3ce66$d1e5f300$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031229201642.00a2a340@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Billings wrote: >Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing all Christmas music. Getting an early start for next year perhaps? From beckwith@ime.net Mon Dec 29 20:26:34 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Mon Dec 29 20:26:47 2003 Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios References: <4284612.1072725779119.JavaMail.turbine@s77> <001801c3ce67$1f21fba0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <003801c3ce74$07ea7540$5e21a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> There were a few head units with TV audio in the past, but apparently they never caught on or we'd be seeing them today. Analog TV is on the way out so this expensive device will quickly become useless. The Bon-Ton is selling DC-powered 5" B&W CRT TVs (that's radio with pictures, folks) for $19.99. Take care, Chris From kvahey@tmail.com Mon Dec 29 21:07:06 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:07:19 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031229201642.00a2a340@pop3.bit-net.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031229201642.00a2a340@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <1072750030.10036E03@w5.dngr.org> Well it is the 12 days of Christmas On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 7:18pm, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Dan Billings wrote: >> Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing all Christmas music. > > Getting an early start for next year perhaps? From billo@shoreham.net Mon Dec 29 21:30:18 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:30:22 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <1072750030.10036E03@w5.dngr.org> Message-ID: <007701c3ce7c$de418bd0$0100007f@boneill> Kevin reminds: > > Well it is the 12 days of Christmas > Pull-eze! Someone must have lost the password to the server, drank too much nog, forgot, don't listen to their own station, did I leave anything out? Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Dec 29 22:16:37 2003 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon Dec 29 22:11:48 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? References: <001101c3ce66$d1e5f300$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <006101c3ce83$568796b0$6401a8c0@LizardHome> "Dan Billings" noted: > Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing all Christmas music. >From the Rev. Ken Collins' Web Site: calendar dates for Christmas & Epiphany are the same in the eastern & western Church, but many eastern Christians still used the unreformed Julian calendar, which is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar. Their church calendar reads 25 December when the civil calendar says it is 7 January Thus, we should wait & see if they stop on January 8th. From lawyer@attorneyross.com Tue Dec 30 00:14:54 2003 From: lawyer@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue Dec 30 00:15:31 2003 Subject: XM gets 'sirius' In-Reply-To: <55868.216.204.15.170.1072736036.squirrel@sqmail.bit-net.com> References: <002901c3ce36$902c8b20$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <3FF0C37E.22544.BF876A@localhost> On 29 Dec 2003 at 17:13, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > I'm sorry to hear that your favorite station changed format. It's not the > end of the world. There are probably a few people around that are still > p/o'ed that WCOZ isn't still around playing Journey and AC/DC too. Why > don't you buy your own station and show us how it's done? I still miss WXHR! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@attorneyross.com Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 03:52:54 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 30 03:53:03 2003 Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios In-Reply-To: <4284612.1072725779119.JavaMail.turbine@s77> Message-ID: <20031230085254.13647.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> > Nugent Vitallo has spent $825,000 and many years to > create a device to listen to TV shows while driving, > but will it gain an audience? But there have been portable radios for years which have carried the TV sound from channels 2-13, at least. I have a Sony Walkman with AM, FM, TV Sound, and Weather (and recently bought a mini-disc recorder/player which has a radio covering those same bands, which can attach to the minidisc player though it can't directly record from it). The technology for "TV Sound" (at least for the VHF channels) has already been around for years, so why couldn't they just add _that_ to your basic car stereo? Also, of course, some programs like "60 Minutes" and local newscasts in some cities have been simulcast on radio stations. From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 03:57:02 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 30 03:57:10 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <001101c3ce66$d1e5f300$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20031230085702.16358.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing > all Christmas music. Is it stunting for a new format to be unveiled on New Year's Day? I imagine the Christmas season extends till New Year's Day...though I must admit that when I went to a restaurant in Peabody on Sunday and they were playing all-Christmas there, I was kinda shaking my head. One selection was "Santa Claus is Coming To Town" (yeah, I thought, in another 361 days...) :) From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 03:59:37 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 30 03:59:55 2003 Subject: Museum of Broadcast Communications Chicago In-Reply-To: <1072738984.271002F4@r31.dngr.org> Message-ID: <20031230085937.59199.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > I have spent a very enjoyable day at the MBC in > Chicago. Good thing I > came today as the museum closes tomorrow to move to > a new home. I visited that place in 1998. I think Jerry Williams was an inductee; in fact, the year he was inducted, WRKO carried the induction ceremonies live. (They did a montage of moments for him, ranging from the famed "Vietnam veteran call" to Jerry tangling with Ted Kennedy on air, to a woman calling Jerry's sex survey to tell him her favorite place to "do it" was on the washing machine.) From engineer@the-spa.com Tue Dec 30 05:29:13 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Tue Dec 30 05:29:20 2003 Subject: Television finds spot on dials of car radios In-Reply-To: <20031230085254.13647.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I was younger, I had this "add on" mobile adaptor that Radio Shack sold. (Similar to those FM add on units that transmitted on 1400khz into the antenna input). I think it was VHF only, but it might have been UHF as well. I remember it did not receive very well, and eventually was donated to the Great Barrington town dump. (It also didn't help that I decided to take it apart and tinker with it, thus breaking it...) --Mike Fitzpatrick. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 30 07:54:50 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 30 07:54:58 2003 Subject: Israel jails settler radio bosses Message-ID: <004101c3ced4$1d076b80$6400a8c0@brianhome> The Israeli's don't screw around with radio pirates. Excerpt and link below: Israel jails settler radio bosses An Israeli court has sentenced four managers of a pirate radio station set up by settlers in the West Bank. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/3355651.stm Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5626 USA Sales: (800)231-8849/Sales Fax (800)329-2775 Bus Ofc +1-978-538-7575/Business Ofc Fax +1-978-538-7550 www.cssinc.com From petef@sprynet.com Tue Dec 30 09:22:35 2003 From: petef@sprynet.com (Pete Ferrand) Date: Tue Dec 30 09:22:54 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <006101c3ce83$568796b0$6401a8c0@LizardHome> Message-ID: <000001c3cee0$60cb2cb0$0200a8c0@wb2qll> > "Dan Billings" depressingly noted: > > > Today 93.5 WCTB Fairfield, Maine was STILL playing all Christmas > > music. If we plan to continue our Christmas music past Christmas, we can thus sell our advertisers associated Christmas packages that continue as well, thereby increasing the size of our Christmas avails by, say 20%. We can also tell the Home Office as we conclude accounts for the year that we have increased the size of our Christmas inventory and sold the time, thereby increasing the amount of our holiday business by, say 20%. -Pete Enfield, NH From ak@omalleyandharvey.com Tue Dec 30 10:26:20 2003 From: ak@omalleyandharvey.com (Anne Kamau) Date: Tue Dec 30 10:20:18 2003 Subject: Wboq Message-ID: PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL DO NOT DISCLOSE ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATION I am very disappointed to hear strange music from this station. I do not know what to listen to now. do you know any radio station that plays American standard or jazz? help! Anne Kamau O'Malley and Harvey, LLP This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me via return e-mail or via telephone at 617-357-5544 and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and any printout thereof. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003 From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 12:26:02 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:26:10 2003 Subject: WBOQ changes to 60s/70s AC/oldies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031230172602.49415.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill Wayland wrote: > Join us at "The Legends", WNBP-1450am. Still room for standards on the dial, of course! The Salem News has an article about the format change of WBOQ in today's edition (12/30). It mentions that while the new format has gotten some applause, some have complained about losing the music they love over at 104.9. (As of 12:25 pm, yesterday's edition was still on their site but it may be posted by the time you read this.) http://www.salemnews.com From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 12:46:13 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:46:22 2003 Subject: WBOQ In-Reply-To: <000801c3cefb$39c23d50$c9db3d8f@national.aaa.com> Message-ID: <20031230174613.99917.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> --- Doris Allen wrote: Do you have their current email address. > I'll > express my opinion, not that they care. I would imagine email would be routed to "wboq.com" so maybe try something like "programming@wboq.com". Or maybe try them on the phone; I looked them up in the Beverly phone book and it lists the number(s) as 978-927-1049 and 978-927-9109. WPLM?? > What is the number on the > radio?? 99.1 From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 30 12:52:46 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:52:24 2003 Subject: Wboq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3cefd$bbd593d0$c3ec33d1@alvin> I gave up and bought an XM radio a couple of years ago and never looked back. Best of luck. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Anne Kamau > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:26 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Subject: Wboq > > > > > PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL > DO NOT DISCLOSE > ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATION > > I am very disappointed to hear strange music from this > station. I do not know what to listen to now. do you know > any radio station that plays American standard or jazz? help! > > > Anne Kamau > O'Malley and Harvey, LLP > > This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended > only for the use of the addressee(s) named herein and may > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are > hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify me via return e-mail or via telephone at > 617-357-5544 and permanently delete the original and any copy > of any e-mail and any printout thereof. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003 > From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 30 12:58:12 2003 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue Dec 30 12:58:33 2003 Subject: WBOQ References: <20031230174613.99917.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001c3cefe$8581d7c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WPLM-FM? A substitute for WBOQ's old format??? You've got to be kidding! I think that anyone who liked the WBOQ of old would either be insulted at the suggestion or would alternate between laughing (at the naivete of the suggestion) and crying (over the loss of the treasured music). WPLM-FM IS a substitute for WBOQ's NEW format. I call either station's format classic soft AC. WPLM-FM is maybe a little more classic than WBOQ. Both stations are listenable, but what they play, with very few exceptions, is junk--particularly when you compare it with what WBOQ used to play. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nelson To: Doris Allen ; Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: WBOQ > > --- Doris Allen > wrote: > Do you have their current email address. > > I'll > > express my opinion, not that they care. > > I would imagine email would be routed to "wboq.com" so > maybe try something like "programming@wboq.com". > Or maybe try them on the phone; I looked them up in > the Beverly phone book and it lists the number(s) as > 978-927-1049 and 978-927-9109. > > WPLM?? > > What is the number on the > > radio?? > > 99.1 From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Dec 30 15:40:28 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue Dec 30 15:40:39 2003 Subject: WBOQ In-Reply-To: <20031230174613.99917.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000801c3cefb$39c23d50$c9db3d8f@national.aaa.com> <20031230174613.99917.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031230153918.024d8ec0@mail.mac.com> At 12:46 PM 12/30/03, Bob Nelson wrote: >--- Doris Allen >wrote: > Do you have their current email address. > > I'll > > express my opinion, not that they care. > >I would imagine email would be routed to "wboq.com" so >maybe try something like "programming@wboq.com". Just go to http://www.wboq.com, the click on "contact us". -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 30 17:27:26 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 30 17:27:49 2003 Subject: Pit Stop in Times Square Message-ID: My travels took me to New York City during the past weekend to view the Metropolitan Opera's controversial production of a work by the French composer Hector Berlioz: "Benvenuto Cellini". Great score, wonderful female lead singer, crummy staging, but still well worth the trip. I don't know if the change at WBOQ-FM 104.9 means the end of their carriage of the broadcasts. The change must have been in the works for a while, and they did carry weeks 1, 2 and 3. Anyway, another item on my itinerary was to view the changes on the venerable Empire State Building and also check out 4 Times Square. The former obviously has more antennas on it than the last time I checked (last May for another Berlioz opera, "The Trojans"; no not THOSE trojans, the one in the Iliad). One remarkable addition is an antenna on the side of the main structure well below the mast and abservation deck. I surmise it's an auxiliary for one of the FM's on top, but licensed to NJ because it faces west. The CondeNast building is still under construction it appears, but the antenna structures on top seem to be completed, and it's very impressive. There are TV's and FM's galore... one of these days I may go up to the ESB with binoculars and check 4 TimesSq more closely! Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 30 18:16:47 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:17:07 2003 Subject: Portsmouth Herald Story on Local LPFM Message-ID: LPFM's seem to be starting up if they can avoid fires and other disasters. The Portsmouth Herald has an item about a new one in the Seacoast region: http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/12302003/news/67820.htm ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From lglavin@lycos.com Tue Dec 30 18:23:29 2003 From: lglavin@lycos.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:23:45 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? Message-ID: Remember the pirate operating at 99.9 FM in Lawrence, Mass? Some preacher believed that anything under 100 watts was o.k. without FCC authorization, so he put an FM on the air with 99 watts on 99.9. This turned out to be a false belief, just like the ones he preached in the pulpit no doubt. Now an outfit called Edgewater Broadcasting wants to put a possible legal rebroadcaster on-the-air in Lawrence on that frequency, probably with considerably less power. WKLB may have something to say about that. Why not the unused 93.3 CP that was supposed to fill in WBOS-FM's coverage from the tower on Wood Hill in Andover? That hasn't been put on the air yet. Laurence Glavin ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 30 18:50:52 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:54:50 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: Message-ID: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? > This turned out to be a false belief, just like > the ones he preached in the pulpit no doubt. That is one of the most offensive things that I have ever seen posted here. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 30 18:55:58 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:56:02 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? References: <20031230085702.16358.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c3cf30$78f5a450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan Billings" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Will it ever stop? > Is it stunting for a new format to be unveiled > on New Year's Day? Apparently. I heard a liner today that said "Did you get what you want for Christmas? We're building a new radio station." So I guess classic country isn't coming back. So there goes my favorite station. I promise that I won't rant about lowest common denominator radio for post after post. ;-) Wouldn't it have made more sense to debut the new station right after Christmas to take advantage of people who tuned in for the Christmas music? I'm sure 99% of those people are now. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From dwcole@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 19:01:11 2003 From: dwcole@comcast.net (Dan C) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:01:26 2003 Subject: Portsmouth Herald Story on Local LPFM References: Message-ID: <000601c3cf31$339fbe80$61f29318@HP310n> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" > LPFM's seem to be starting up if they can avoid fires and > other disasters. The Portsmouth Herald has an item about a new > one in the Seacoast region: Actually, this one has been in the works for quite awhile. Given where they want to put their antenna, their hopes for a ten mile radius would seem to be about 9 miles too optimistic. Dan C. From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 30 19:49:19 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:49:18 2003 Subject: WMUD-LP Message-ID: <006c01c3cf37$ed472700$0100007f@boneill> Just started to check out the brand new LPFM station WMUD-LP (89.3 Morah, NY). Studios are in Bridport, Vt, just north of here. The licensee is listed as Champlain Music Appreciation Society. Decent audio quality. A bit generous with the low end on the processing, but otherwise a nice, ecclectic mix of music with little or no jocking. Not sure what they have in mind aside from just playing music. What a concept. And calls you can get stuck on.... Bill O'Neill Shoreham, Vt. From steveord@bit-net.com Tue Dec 30 20:17:31 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:16:19 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <002f01c3cf30$78f5a450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <20031230085702.16358.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031230201412.00a297e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Dan Billings wrote: >Wouldn't it have made more sense to debut the new station right after >Christmas to take advantage of people who tuned in for the Christmas music? >I'm sure 99% of those people are now. The week between Christmas & New Years is kind of an odd time to start a format...lots of people are away or at least not on their regular schedule. New Year's day might be a good time, or maybe just wait until Monday when the world returns to "normal". Plus, the fact that they're -still- playing Christmas music after Dec. 25th would clue listeners in to the fact that a change is coming, and to keep checking in. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Dec 30 20:30:07 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:29:08 2003 Subject: WMUD-LP In-Reply-To: <006c01c3cf37$ed472700$0100007f@boneill> Message-ID: <000001c3cf3d$a15283c0$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Bill O, noted Vermonter, er, Vermontite, um, Vermontonian, noted of the New WMUD << (snip)Decent audio quality. A bit generous with the low end on the processing, but otherwise a nice, ecclectic mix of music with little or no jocking. Not sure what they have in mind aside from just playing music. What a concept. And calls you can get stuck on.... >> Of course the low end would be more noticeable on WMUD. ;-) And let us know if they play anything by Rick Charette & the Bubblegum Band... *local kids' entertainer here in Maine; very huge - Wiggles-esque. Big song: I Love Mud* Mayhaps you could find your way inside and teach them a thing or two about jocking? Then, once you get your consultancy up and going, you could streamline their infinite playlist down to about 250 very safe titles that would repeat, ad naseaum, and then watch the station's ratings and billable minutes go through the roof! Nah... I like your perception of the reception better. Enjoy listening. And roll some tape for the aircheck collectors out here! - -Chuck Igo From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Dec 30 20:45:11 2003 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:46:11 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2003, at 6:50 PM, Dan Billings wrote: > From: "Laurence Glavin" > >> This turned out to be a false belief, just like the ones he preached >> in the pulpit no doubt. > > That is one of the most offensive things that I have ever seen posted > here. Why? Most of the religious broadcasters I've been aware of, especially those involved in low-power stations, are of the Bible-thumping Send-Me-Your-Money kind and quite outside mainstream religion. Perhaps it's not true in this case and Laurence made an incorrect assumption, but I bet it's not. Paul From garfra@comcast.net Tue Dec 30 20:50:35 2003 From: garfra@comcast.net (garfra) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:50:47 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: Message-ID: <001a01c3cf40$7c661fb0$6500a8c0@office> The AM pirate at 1570 in Lowell insists that the FCC told him that anything under 100 watts is legal. Repeated complaints to the FCC over the past 5 years have yielded no apparent investigation. He doesn't even come close to the 100mw with the 10' antenna rule. His tower is 150 feet high and he puts out close to 105 watts. His installation was even installed by an FCC licensed radio engineer (granted the kind that takes care of 2-way radios - but he should know better - when confronted he even insists that the FCC told him it was OK). Go figure. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 30 20:51:46 2003 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue Dec 30 20:51:52 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c3cf40$a62fe880$c3ec33d1@alvin> > >> This turned out to be a false belief, just like the ones > he preached > >> in the pulpit no doubt. > > > > That is one of the most offensive things that I have ever > seen posted > > here. > Ditto. I find slamming someone else's religion such as this at the very least crass. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St. - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 USA +1-978-538-7575 voice +1-978-538-7550 fax www.cssinc.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Tue Dec 30 21:10:54 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:10:58 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <005101c3cf43$52374c20$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Anderson" To: "Boston Radio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? > Why? Most of the religious broadcasters I've been aware of, especially > those involved in low-power stations, are of the Bible-thumping > Send-Me-Your-Money kind and quite outside mainstream religion. Perhaps > it's not true in this case and Laurence made an incorrect assumption, > but I bet it's not. Laurence made no comment about what was broadcast. He commented on what was said at church on Sunday. Personally, I find it offensive to say that anyone's religious beliefs are "false" as Laurence did. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 30 21:17:36 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:17:46 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <005101c3cf43$52374c20$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <005101c3cf43$52374c20$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <200312310217.hBV2HalM015155@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Personally, I find it offensive to say that anyone's religious beliefs are > "false" as Laurence did. This would seem to go beyond the standards of courtesy I would hope to expect from contributors to this forum. Although I have some sympathy for Laurence's opinion, I would suggest that it's not an appropriate topic for discussion on this list. -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 30 21:19:08 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:19:04 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007d01c3cf44$79a26f00$0100007f@boneill> > Why? Most of the religious broadcasters I've been aware of, > especially > those involved in low-power stations, are of the Bible-thumping > Send-Me-Your-Money kind and quite outside mainstream > religion. Perhaps > it's not true in this case and Laurence made an incorrect assumption, > but I bet it's not. > > Paul This gets squeaky. I'll add my .02 by saying that if a broadcaster is, in this example, a Christian broadcaster, then what would you expect him to "thump" but the Bible? The Broadcasting Yearbook? Radio & Records? How about the Farmer's Almanac? That would bring 'em all to Christ. Secondly, if a group wants to evangelize via the radio medium, then they would need cash to keep it up, no? As with ALL radio, there is good radio and then there is BAD radio. Like all who take a stab at it, Christian broadcasters can do a decent job and others can verily tank. Bill O'Neill ============================ Two aerials meet on a roof, fall in love, get married. The ceremony wasn't much but the reception was brilliant. ============================= From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 30 21:29:59 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:29:57 2003 Subject: Fybush Calendar Message-ID: <008101c3cf45$fdd03680$0100007f@boneill> Just officially hung up my new trusty 2004 calendar from fybush.com Great stuff. Radiant. Downside is it creates interference on the scanner. Bill O'Neill ============================ Two aerials meet on a roof, fall in love, get married. The ceremony wasn't much but the reception was brilliant. ============================= From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 30 21:34:07 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:34:13 2003 Subject: Fybush Calendar In-Reply-To: <008101c3cf45$fdd03680$0100007f@boneill> References: <008101c3cf45$fdd03680$0100007f@boneill> Message-ID: <200312310234.hBV2Y7Ct015266@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > Just officially hung up my new trusty 2004 calendar from fybush.com Great > stuff. Radiant. Downside is it creates interference on the scanner. I especially like the February picture. -GAWollman From kvahey@tmail.com Tue Dec 30 22:37:12 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue Dec 30 22:37:33 2003 Subject: Musings from Chicago Message-ID: <1072841836.1F73CEF@r31.dngr.org> Really enjoyed spending 2 days at the Museum of Broadcasting in Chicago, which is now closed until September 2005. The only Boston based radio people in their Hall of Fame are the Car Talk guys, Jerry Williams and of course Roy Leonard who got the biggest break of his life when WNAC radio flipped to WRKO and he took a job at WGN. The rock n' roll and radio exhibit was well done and while they credit Alan Freed with coining the term rock n' roll, they say Top 40 was invented by Gordon McClendon at KLIF Dallas. They were very harsh on Bill Drake as he was "credited" for turning radio into a cookie cutter operation. Chicago had quite the radio network history, with shows like Fibber McGee and Molly, Amos and Andy beaming nationwide. On display were the Edgar Bergman dummies as his show was done by NBC in Chicago. Was also fun playing with a TK31 camera that was used in the Nixon/Kennedy debates. To add to my "enjoyment" I walked into the sports room just as the words, " a little roller behind the bag, it gets by Buckner.." was being played.... One other thing of note, a cult Chicago radio show turns 50 this week, The Midnight Special on WFMT. The history of the show can be found at this link from the Sun Times. http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-midnight30.html From billo@shoreham.net Tue Dec 30 23:37:31 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue Dec 30 23:37:34 2003 Subject: WMUD-LP In-Reply-To: <000001c3cf3d$a15283c0$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <008701c3cf57$ce6dc2b0$0100007f@boneill> Ch'kigo, Ch'kigo: > Of course the low end would be more noticeable on WMUD. ;-) Liners they won't bother with: "Our name is MUD. What's yours?" "Got Mud?" "Got boots?" "Just our name is dirty." They are, OTOH, running with "Farm Fresh Radio. 89.3 WMUD." Moo sfx redundant. Bridport, where the studio is located, is home to thousands of acres of grazing land. And, yes, mud. > And let us know if they play anything by Rick Charette & the Bubblegum > Band... > *local kids' entertainer here in Maine; very huge - > Wiggles-esque. Big > song: I Love Mud* If they're not, I'll make a request and roll mud, I mean tape. > Mayhaps you could find your way inside and teach them a thing or two > about jocking? Then, once you get your consultancy up and going, you > could streamline their infinite playlist down to about 250 very safe > titles that would repeat, ad naseaum, and then watch the station's > ratings and billable minutes go through the roof! Wow. Cume. TSLs. ADI. Quarter Hours. Nauseaum. Nausea. Cows. Mud. Put them all together and, and, it will be like, like, .... any CC-like station in the boonies with bosses in faraway buildings with gray cubicles and remote pc access. Bill O'Neill ============================ Always remember that you're unique. Just like everybody else. ============================ From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 31 00:24:19 2003 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed Dec 31 00:24:43 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031231002018.02490bc0@pop.registeredsite.com> it had been said-=- >>>This turned out to be a false belief, just like the ones he preached in >>>the pulpit no doubt. and Dan B replied-- >>That is one of the most offensive things that I have ever seen posted here. I don't think it was meant to offend-- if this is the preacher I think it is, there was actually a newspaper article about him last year, when he stated that he didn't need a radio license, that Jesus wanted him to preach, so he was going to do so. I remember it because I was scheduled for a Let's Talk About Radio and I recall commenting on some of the illegal pirates who hide behind religion. I too agree that we need low-power stations, but to say that your particular religious belief gives you the right to take over a place on the dial is problematic, no matter who says it. I wondered at that point why nobody had shut him down, but I am told his station is actually popular amongst some of the immigrant population, so maybe the FCC didn't find it to be a priority to shut him down the way they stormed Radio Free Allston way back when... From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 00:24:05 2003 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Wed Dec 31 00:31:06 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: Message-ID: <006c01c3cf5e$747c8960$1404fea9@ne1.client2.attbi.com> > This turned out to be a false belief, just like > the ones he preached in the pulpit no doubt. Are you really like this in public....or do you just try hard to be obnoxious for us? JP From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 01:17:33 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:17:41 2003 Subject: WBOQ In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031230153918.024d8ec0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: <20031231061733.82841.qmail@web60803.mail.yahoo.com> --- Larry Weil wrote: > Just go to http://www.wboq.com, the click on > "contact us". But their site still just says "Coming Soon North Shore 104.9". Though when you land there _now_, they're running the same promo they've been running on-air-- a contest for a trip to Jamaica. "From the NEW...North Shore 104.9". From raccoonradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 01:19:12 2003 From: raccoonradio@yahoo.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:19:34 2003 Subject: WBOQ In-Reply-To: <009001c3cefe$8581d7c0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20031231061912.37442.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > WPLM-FM? A substitute for WBOQ's old format??? > You've got to be kidding! Just answering her question :) I haven't really listened to WPLM in a long time so I had no idea if they'd be a substitute or not. From engineer@the-spa.com Wed Dec 31 06:19:24 2003 From: engineer@the-spa.com (Fitzpatrick, Mike) Date: Wed Dec 31 06:19:33 2003 Subject: Springfield's new CBS3 on cable system now... In-Reply-To: <3FEF5A82.2439.27B4E87@localhost> Message-ID: An update for those who care, They switched over WFSB (03 Hartford CBS) to WSHM-LP (67 Springfield-Holyoke CBS part//WFSB) last night at some point around 3am. They are airing the morning news but the breaks are split between some commercials for some CT businesses and a whole slew of "your watching Springfield's new home for CBS... CBS3". They are also plugging the website as well. --Mike Fitzpatrick From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 07:49:45 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 07:49:50 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031231002018.02490bc0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <008b01c3cf9c$91e88b50$0100007f@boneill> Donna: I too agree that we need low-power > stations, but to say that your particular religious belief > gives you the > right to take over a place on the dial is problematic, no > matter who says > it. I'm not a huge fan of so-called religious bcasters, but I am a big fan of free speech. I can't think of a better way for the US to demonstrate its free speech foundation than to promote radio diversity. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 07:58:43 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 07:58:44 2003 Subject: Will it ever stop? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031230201412.00a297e0@pop3.bit-net.com> Message-ID: <008c01c3cf9d$d3299a40$0100007f@boneill> Steve: Plus, the fact > that they're > -still- playing Christmas music after Dec. 25th would clue > listeners in to > the fact that a change is coming, and to keep checking in. Problem is, even the more un-geek listeners have learned that most format flips end up as teenie tweaks to the big picture. What insiders might herald as a bid deal, most just hear a bunch of new positioners and a different big-boy liner-boy 1000 miles down the ISDN line. Am I too cynical? I hope so. If they flip to All Sound Effects All the Time, or, Only the Best Salsa (the kind you dip your chip into....) then ring me up. Bill O'Neill From beckwith@ime.net Wed Dec 31 10:00:26 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Wed Dec 31 09:59:52 2003 Subject: WABI-TV rebroadcasts 50th Anniversary special tonight Message-ID: <001701c3cfae$ea5676a0$5721a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Channel 5 in Bangor is Maine's first TV station and has been under family ownership longer than any station in the country. The CBS affiliate dominates the local news ratings. Is anyone taping this tonight? http://www.wabi.tv/story.asp?67 From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 15:19:18 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 15:19:16 2003 Subject: WMUD, etc. Message-ID: <00c301c3cfdb$5f002ba0$0100007f@boneill> Some interesting liners, voice-only, that I've caught: >From our barn to yours.... WMUD. Farm Fresh Radio.... www.wmud.org still has their original 89.1 frequency. Looks like that quickly notched up to 89.3, up to .1kW and dropped HAGL to 10m. Bill O'Neill, WDUM? From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Dec 31 16:19:21 2003 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:19:27 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af><001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <5.1.0.14.2.20031231002018.02490bc0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <002c01c3cfe3$c2b4a3d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? > I think it > is, there was actually a newspaper article about him last year, when he > stated that he didn't need a radio license, that Jesus wanted him to > preach, so he was going to do so. I remember it because I was scheduled > for a Let's Talk About Radio and I recall commenting on some of the illegal > pirates who hide behind religion. I too agree that we need low-power > stations, but to say that your particular religious belief gives you the > right to take over a place on the dial is problematic, no matter who says > it. I wondered at that point why nobody had shut him down, but I am told > his station is actually popular amongst some of the immigrant population, > so maybe the FCC didn't find it to be a priority to shut him down the way > they stormed Radio Free Allston way back when... That claim is no weirder than those made by the people behind Radio Free Burlington. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Dec 31 16:20:49 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed Dec 31 16:19:46 2003 Subject: Fybush Calendar In-Reply-To: <200312310234.hBV2Y7Ct015266@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000e01c3cfe3$f73cf940$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Garrett wrote of the Fybush Calendar: >>I especially like the February picture.<< do you two need a moment alone? We gotta get you outside more often, G-man. ;-) Happy Gnu Year, by the way, to all. - -Chuck (my tower fell down :-( ) Igo From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 17:08:22 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 17:08:23 2003 Subject: Fybush Calendar In-Reply-To: <000e01c3cfe3$f73cf940$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <00d201c3cfea$9ba45180$0100007f@boneill> > Garrett wrote of the Fybush Calendar: > > >>I especially like the February picture.<< > > do you two need a moment alone? > > We gotta get you outside more often, G-man. ;-) > > Happy Gnu Year, by the way, to all. > > - -Chuck (my tower fell down :-( ) Igo Sorry about your tower; and on such an auspicious night. They've got a pill for that, Charles. Bill (making my usual common point) O'Neill From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Dec 31 17:21:47 2003 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed Dec 31 17:21:54 2003 Subject: A "Legal" 99.9 For Lawrence? In-Reply-To: <002c01c3cfe3$c2b4a3d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <001101c3cf2f$c228c450$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> <5.1.0.14.2.20031231002018.02490bc0@pop.registeredsite.com> <002c01c3cfe3$c2b4a3d0$41503f42@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031231172007.0254e258@mail.mac.com> At 04:19 PM 12/31/2003, Dan Billings wrote: >That claim is no weirder than those made by the people behind Radio Free >Burlington. Huh? Never heard of that one. Perhaps you mean Radio Free Brattleboro? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From beckwith@ime.net Wed Dec 31 19:26:26 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:25:37 2003 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS Message-ID: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> http://tinyurl.com/3e7uq From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 20:07:12 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:07:15 2003 Subject: Mud-watch 2003... countdown to the next year thingy.... Message-ID: <00d401c3d003$981b4870$0100007f@boneill> ".....One hundred thousand digital milliwatts of power....89.3 WMUD-LP Moriah....." Dubita BZ eat your heart out. Bill (something pithy here next time...promise. My pith is currently off. Pithed-off. Bust it.) O'Neill Shore'm, Vt. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Dec 31 20:20:39 2003 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:19:56 2003 Subject: Mud-watch 2003... countdown to the next year thingy.... In-Reply-To: <00d401c3d003$981b4870$0100007f@boneill> Message-ID: <000001c3d005$7824d700$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Bill O transcribed an attention-getting break on the new lpfm in VT as: >> ".....One hundred thousand digital milliwatts of power....89.3 WMUD-LP Moriah....." << Funny, I thought it was the wind they called Moriah. But no, in Vermont, it's the mud. What do y'all call your dirt? But funnier is the power calculation... I gots to remember that whilst our former 10k fm is spritzing out 3k on a backup mitter.... - -Chuck (showing my age) Igo From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 20:37:21 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:37:17 2003 Subject: Mud-watch 2003... countdown to the next year thingy.... In-Reply-To: <000001c3d005$7824d700$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <00d601c3d007$cd16fc50$0100007f@boneill> > Funny, I thought it was the wind they called Moriah. But no, in > Vermont, it's the mud. What do y'all call your dirt? Henry. Port Henry. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@tmail.com Wed Dec 31 20:41:59 2003 From: kvahey@tmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:42:22 2003 Subject: Mud-watch 2003... countdown to the next year thingy.... In-Reply-To: <000001c3d005$7824d700$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> References: <000001c3d005$7824d700$0200a8c0@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <1072921334.36C92896@w5.dngr.org> And 2004 WILL be the year WEEI will broadcast the following words THE RED SOX WIN Maybe On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 8:24pm, Chuck Igo wrote: > > Bill O transcribed an attention-getting break on the new lpfm in VT as: >>> > ".....One hundred thousand digital > milliwatts > of power....89.3 WMUD-LP Moriah....." > > << > > > Funny, I thought it was the wind they called Moriah. But no, in > Vermont, it's the mud. What do y'all call your dirt? > > But funnier is the power calculation... I gots to remember that whilst > our former 10k fm is spritzing out 3k on a backup mitter.... > > - -Chuck (showing my age) Igo From wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Wed Dec 31 22:01:03 2003 From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed Dec 31 22:01:08 2003 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> References: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <200401010301.i01313Ch021425@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> < said: > http://tinyurl.com/3e7uq Do you have any comments about this? Just a reminder to list participants: this list runs on *your* contributions. Please don't just post the URL of something you read that somebody else wrote; summarize what it's about and offer your own opinion, so that somebody browsing the archives in 2010 will have some clue what the message was about. -GAWollman From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 22:15:39 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 22:15:45 2003 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401010301.i01313Ch021425@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000101c3d015$88eb52c0$7200a8c0@livingroom> summarize what it's about and offer your own > opinion, so that somebody browsing the archives in 2010 will have some > clue what the message was about. > > -GAWollman In 2010 I'll be laughing at the past and crawling on the floor, mouth agape, drooling, mouthing the words to Manilow, oatmeal on my bib, ... oops. That's in six years. Somebody's screwed. Oh, radio. Bill O'Neill From billo@shoreham.net Wed Dec 31 22:27:11 2003 From: billo@shoreham.net (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed Dec 31 22:27:11 2003 Subject: Steve Doocy Message-ID: <000201c3d017$2570a3b0$7200a8c0@livingroom> Checking out Dick Clark's Rockin' Eve. That guy on FoxNews in the morning, Steve Doocy (weather reader) is hysterically funny with the live shot. Imdb.com says he's 47 with WCBS-TV and other morning TV experience. His second Rockin' Eve. Maybe this could be a year for Doocy to get even greater exposure. Bill O'Neill From steveord@bit-net.com Wed Dec 31 23:15:29 2003 From: steveord@bit-net.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed Dec 31 23:14:18 2003 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS In-Reply-To: <200401010301.i01313Ch021425@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031231231328.00a2be50@pop3.bit-net.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: >offer your own >opinion, so that somebody browsing the archives in 2010 will have some >clue what the message was about. What's scary is that in 2010 everyone will be griping about how bad radio is, and how they miss the way it was in 2003. From beckwith@ime.net Wed Dec 31 23:55:13 2003 From: beckwith@ime.net (Chris Beckwith) Date: Wed Dec 31 23:53:56 2003 Subject: Clear Channel to enhance radio ads with RDS References: <009401c3cffd$f7fb4160$6a20a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> <003901c3d023$1027ea70$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> Message-ID: <005501c3d023$768b0180$8221a78e@6zgxxcaku97sfqu> The New York Times has a story about Clear Channel, Infinity and other radio station owners looking into using RDS to add a text message to radio ads in order to increase impact and give the medium a bigger share of the advertising pie. An ad campaign starting in January for a small bank in North Carolina is to use this technology. Naderites are up in arms, saying motorists will be dying in car crashes en masse as they dial their cellphones to switch banks. Radio gets results! Take care, Chris