From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:26:57 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:26:57 -0400
Subject: Dan Rea gets Paul Sullivan's slot
Message-ID: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>

WBZ has made official what most suspected. Dan Rea gets the job fulltime.

http://wbz.com/WBZ-taps-Dan-Rea-as-new-talk-show-host/1031257

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:41:57 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:41:57 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://nightside.ksl.com/

CBS's WBZ says Dan Rea's new show will be called Nightside, but do they have the rights to that name?
Bonnville's WWWT in Washington DC and some other stations they own (KSL in Salt Lake, for example)
already have a show by that name which they intend to take national.

From me@billoneill.us  Mon Oct  1 12:49:31 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:49:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> CBS's WBZ says Dan Rea's new show will be called Nightside, but do they have the rights to that name?

Just what a new show needs, squishy stuff right out of the box.  How 
about night slide, night angle, or, go nuts and call it (wait for it) 
Dan Rea on WBZ.  Two big Boston names. No explanation necessary. 

On a positive note, it's great to see a company guy getting the nod for 
the big chair.  I wish him well.  Unusual in any corporate climate.

Bill O'Neill

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Oct  1 14:46:35 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:46:35 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:49:31 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us> said:

> Just what a new show needs, squishy stuff right out of the box.  How 
> about night slide, night angle, or, go nuts and call it (wait for it) 
> Dan Rea on WBZ.  Two big Boston names. No explanation necessary. 

> On a positive note, it's great to see a company guy getting the nod for 
> the big chair.  I wish him well.  Unusual in any corporate climate.

I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been any
guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me wrong:
Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
think they're likely to carry me along.

-GAWollman

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Mon Oct  1 17:44:10 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:44:10 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
> decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
> think they're likely to carry me along.
> 

 From what I recall, Dan Rea was a strong conservative during his 
college years, and did a little political activism, but I never noticed 
much expression of opinion in his TV work.  If he does shift gears and 
become an openly opinionated radio host, his new platform could make him 
the conservative voice of Massachusetts.

--RC

From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Oct  1 21:11:34 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:11:34 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>

Garrett Wollman wrote:

>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been any
>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me wrong:
>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>think they're likely to carry me along.


I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a 
harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still 
tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a 
different style than his predecessors.


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct  1 21:24:52 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:24:52 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>

SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
> from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
> Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
> only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a harder 
> edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still tune in if 
> I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a different style than 
> his predecessors.

There's a tradition that's developed at WBZ in which each night host is 
dramatically different from his predecessor. Can anyone say that Sully 
was an obvious successor to Professor Brudnoy's nightly classroom of the 
airwaves?

Dan's a talented broadcaster, and I'm sure as he settles in and makes 
the shift his own, we'll hear more personality from him.

I'll still be tuning in, to the extent I'm able now that IBOC hash is 
making WBZ's signal a pale shadow of its former self here in upstate NY...

s

From MauOB@aol.com  Mon Oct  1 21:26:56 2007
From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:26:56 EDT
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <d2e.12d325c8.3432f860@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/1/2007 9:12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hykker@wildblue.net writes:

I'm not  sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
from the way  nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
Sullivan were  just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
only one that comes  to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a 
harder edged,  let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still 
tune in if I'm  on the road at night, but he definitely has a 
different style than his  predecessors.




I think Paul was very folksy.  He also had a good sense of humor and a  keen 
wit.  Budnoy was more intellectual.  Dan Rhea is very  bland.  Nice enough, 
smart enough, competent but nothing that sets him  apart or makes him engaging.  
 
Personally, I would have enjoyed hearing Steve L. on earlier in  evenings.  
Jordan is also good when he talks
issues and politics.  Jordan unfortunately has seemingly non stop  boring 
guests.
 
Well, there is a chance Dan will develop a bit of personality as he settles  
in.
 
Maureen



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From me@billoneill.us  Mon Oct  1 21:34:16 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:34:16 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4701A018.7010106@billoneill.us>

Scott Fybush wrote:
> There's a tradition that's developed at WBZ in which each night host 
> is dramatically different from his predecessor. Can anyone say that 
> Sully was an obvious successor to Professor Brudnoy's nightly 
> classroom of the airwaves?
>

And let's not forget Jerry Williams who took over the big chair in '68 
and barnstormed through the war and then onto Watergate, and early 
vestiges of forced busing in Boston. 

Bill O'Neill


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Oct  1 21:51:54 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:51:54 -0400
Subject: Dan Rea gets Paul Sullivan's slot
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4701A43A.1030506@ttlc.net>

Interesting picture.  I've never seen Dan Rea before.

Reminds me of Dale Dorman with a senior politician's
hair and suit.


Kevin Vahey wrote:
> WBZ has made official what most suspected. Dan Rea gets the job fulltime.
> 
> http://wbz.com/WBZ-taps-Dan-Rea-as-new-talk-show-host/1031257
> 
> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct  2 00:24:15 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:24:15 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>,
	<47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <4701819F.25181.64A85F@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 1 Oct 2007 at 17:44, Richard Chonak wrote:

>  From what I recall, Dan Rea was a strong conservative during his
> college years, and did a little political activism, but I never
> noticed much expression of opinion in his TV work.  If he does shift
> gears and become an openly opinionated radio host, his new platform
> could make him the conservative voice of Massachusetts.
 
I have a vague recollection that he succeeded Don Feder as head of 
the B.U. chapter of Young Americans for Freedom.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From xtrovato@yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 23:04:12 2007
From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <d2e.12d325c8.3432f860@aol.com>
Message-ID: <663498.92420.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- MauOB@aol.com wrote:

> Dan Rhea is...
> Nice enough, 
> smart enough, competent but nothing that sets him 
> apart or makes him engaging.  

I would agree.  Nice enough, smart enough, competent
enough....

When I think about what he might lack on the air, I
would say 'charm' or 'charisma'.

But that may be due to the only real place he has had
to regularly showcase himself over the years to the
public was in news reporting...where you don't get to
express much of yourself, your thoughts or
personality.

I can't quite see anyone using the word "compelling"
when thinking about Dan Rea on the radio.

However, this may be the chance for him to show those
other aspects of his personality.

FWIW...Everyone I know who has met Dan Rea (in person)
has liked him.  I think he is a like-able fellow in
'real life'.

;-)



      ____________________________________________________________________________________
Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct  2 07:15:32 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:32 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>

For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he might
have had to say. But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific! He got
so caught up in his imitation of Wm F Buckley Jr, that he quickly
became a caricature of himself. I think a lot of people were conned by
his use of long words and convoluted syntax and took them as signs of
brilliance, whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
arrogance. I am sorry about his illness and death at a relatively
early age but I'm not sad in the least that he is no longer on the
radio; I wish he had been in a position to just retire from
broadcasting. Another of his vocations that he should have abandoned
decades before his death was writing movie reviews. His were filled
with 100+-word sentences that made them absolutely unreadable. The
work of both of the two current Boston Globe movie critics makes it
clear that intelligent movie criticism can be written as elegant,
readable prose. Brudnoy had no clue about how to write such movie
reviews.

As for Dan Rea, I gather that his politics are pretty far to the
right, although I have not yet heard evidence of that. What I have
heard so far, I like. His approach seems quite free of the overheated
invective and name-calling that characterize nearly all of talk radio
today. Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility. One
can only hope that the approach will prove popular enough to be
emulated. I can think of only one other current talk-show host who
fits the rational mold--and his politics clearly lean to the left:
Thom Hartmann.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been
>>any
>>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me
>>wrong:
>>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>>think they're likely to carry me along.
>
>
> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a
> break from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy &
> Paul Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word,
> but the only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to
> have a harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably
> still tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a
> different style than his predecessors.
>


From map@mapinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 12:55:25 2007
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:55:25 -0400
Subject: Nightside WBZ
References: <mailman.0.1191340800.23753.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <003b01c80515$07e32d40$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af>

"Nightside" sounds like a pretty generic name. Seems like there has been 
other programs using that name in the past. Since it is common, is it 
probable that Bonneville would not be able to secure "rights" to that name?

Dan Rea's style has been refreshing. I think he'll do at least as well as 
Mr. Sullivan and Mr.Brudnoy, maybe even better.

Mark Casey
K1MAP
Hampden, Mass 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:12:31 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:12:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>

From: "Dan.Strassberg"


> For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
> completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he might
> have had to say.

His accent was part of his charm...and authenticity.

> But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
> fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific!
>    ... whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
> arrogance.

A Phd. give you a certain amount of license to be arrogant.  ;-)

> Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
> rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
> that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
> not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
> responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility.

Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by many to 
be boring.

People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the ratings 
don't show they really use/want it.


From francini@mac.com  Tue Oct  2 13:29:03 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:29:03 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
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>
> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by  
> many to be boring.
>
> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the  
> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>
If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings,  
year in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm,  
rational, issue-oriented talk that people wanted?  Perhaps it was the  
somewhat professorial style?  (WBZ even did show intros with the  
Professor Kingfisher character from The Paper Chase to emphasize this  
fact.)

John



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:09:13 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:09:13 -0500
Subject: Nightside WBZ
Message-ID: <20071002170913.616B683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Seems like there has been
other programs using that name in the past. Since it is common, is it
probable that Bonneville would not be able to secure "rights" to that name?

Probably true. Sometimes there are local shows that use generic names
like that which they don't copyright. I do know I was looking up some
info about a sports station (in Detroit, IIRC) and they had something
called ... "The Big Show"...


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 13:33:32 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:33:32 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>	<007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
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John Francini wrote:
> If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings, 
> year in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm, 
> rational, issue-oriented talk that people wanted? 

Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much of 
a deal about on air. The occasional caller would address him as "Doctor 
Brudnoy" but that was about it.  What Brudnoy did to garner his decent 
numbers was a truly unique blend of intellect, authenticity, and 
curiosity. He presented as interested in what callers thought at all 
levels of sophistication.  He did that quite well.  Meanwhile, the Talk 
industry was evolving toward a more host-centric product (not 
necessarily for the better) so Brudnoy seemed to stand out more from the 
pack as time went on.

Bill O'Neill

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:57:31 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:57:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>	<007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
	<470280EC.1030600@billoneill.us>
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> Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much of 
> a deal about on air. 

Actually his PHD is in History.

(His BA is/was in Japanese Studies.)

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:57:41 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:57:41 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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>> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
>> many to be boring.
>>
>> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the 
>> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>>
> If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings,  year 
> in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm,  rational, 
> issue-oriented talk that people wanted?

Well, while you see Brudnoy as calm, rational, issue-oriented talk...others 
saw as boorish (Mr. Glavin)

While he was calm, he certainly handed out his "slams" in a colorful 
manner...

Referring to urban HS kids as "gorillas" roaming the hallways was one that 
many people took issue with.

But in his calm professorial manner, people didn't take ussue with it.

Being on WBZ helps too.  (Has anyone ever done badly with the night slot at 
WBZ?) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct  2 14:05:13 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:05:13 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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<<On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:33:32 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us> said:

> What Brudnoy did to garner his decent numbers was a truly unique
> blend of intellect, authenticity, and curiosity. He presented as
> interested in what callers thought at all levels of sophistication.
> He did that quite well.

The thing about Bruds, at least for me, was that -- even when he was
wrong, which was frequently -- he was *interesting* to listen to.  He
had that breadth of knowledge to make the odd connections and question
the unquestionable.  And even when he had guests on whose positions
he opposed, he would give them the opportunity to make their cases and
respond to his arguments (although he allowed somewhat less of his
callers).  He didn't call them names to their faces, and (at least in
my listening) he didn't mute their mikes while they were responding.

Sully, on the other hand, seemed more like "the voice of the common
man" (or at least the common Lowellite).  In an odd way, he had some
parallels with the late English comedian Linda Smith: a plain,
working-class person who can nonetheless speak and write well and
entertain without resorting to crudity.  (In Britain, although not so
much here, there is this assumption that one must be middle-class to
be literate or able to speak properly, which Smith fought her whole
career.)  Sully was a bit blustery, however, and never let a lack of
knowledge or insight keep him from offering an opinion on the issues
of the day.  (His producers pulled some of the most infuriating
examples to drop in at the opening.)

I didn't listen to Rea's first official show.  All I know about his
background so far, beyond his television experience, is that he went
to law school.  (He introduced a guest a few weeks ago as having gone
to the same law school as he had.)  I'm not sure if that's good, bad,
or indifferent.  I see from his wbz1030.com bio that he's a lifelong
Bostonian.

-GAWollman

From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:48:46 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:48:46 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071002174846.131681CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don A" 
>To: "Dan.Strassberg" , SteveOrdinetz , "Boston Radio Interest" 
>Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:12:31 -0400

>Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by 
>many to be boring.
>People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the 
>ratings don't show they really use/want it.

Boston doesn't have PPM ratings with the non-comms and commercial outlets
measured and published as one yet, but rrconline.org has been around for
a while and WBUR rates with the top-tier of stations in Boston.
Since they air Tom Ashbrook four hours a day, he must contribute to
their strong ratings.  
By the way, there's no better metric of a talk show host's caliber than
the extent that they kept me on when I called.  Some of my calls to
David were quite lengthy; he himself would ask follow-up questions or
engage me with the guest.  Now that's class!
Recently, Tom Ashcroft did the same thing when I called "On Point"
after Luciano Pavarotti's death.  He rightfully identified me as a 
member of the cognoscenti (how could he do otherwise?)
and then asked a question after my opening comment that related not 
to Pavarotti's voice, but to his acting prowess, which by the time I
saw him in live performance, was almost nil.  Tom is usually quick
on the button since he has only two 55-minute segments to cover a subject,
so not everyone gets to stay on the line!

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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:56:16 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:56:16 -0500
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now
Message-ID: <20071002175616.5A4EF49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

After complaints, ABC/Citadel has sent a memo to its stations asking them to stop broadcasting
I-Block, er, IBOC at night while the problems are being studied...interference issues are
the factor (example, between WABC and WJR...)

This is actually welcome news for many DX-ers including yours truly who depends on stations
like WEPN in NY to carry major league baseball playoffs (non-Red Sox). I listen at work at night
and it would be very tough if I-Block came into play (no word if WBZ plans to drop it,
or if they're even doing it at night? though I did manage to pick up the 1050...). Last night, for example, I just barely managed
to pick up Boston's ESPN stations (890/1400) for that wild card playoff game (other
outlets, like WEPN in NY, had other programming). But I usually can't pick them up
(at one point I was getting WLS on 890 instead) and have to try elsewhere.

Anyway, an interesting development...

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 14:26:46 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:26:46 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071002174846.131681CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
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>>Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
>>many to be boring.
>>People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the
>>ratings don't show they really use/want it.


>WBUR rates with the top-tier of stations in Boston.
Since they air Tom Ashbrook four hours a day, he must contribute to
their strong ratings.  <


Their strong ratings are mostly made up of Morning Edition and All Things 
Considered where they perform phenomenally well.

Fromn the last time I saw a BUR breakdowns....the rest of the day (midday 
and nights and weekdends) are rather lackluster.


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 14:35:38 2007
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:35:38 -0400
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now
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I recently went out and bought an HD radio (the Sony XDR-S3HD). HD on the AM
dial frankly is not worth the effort, imho. Yes, WBZ sounds better, but not
to the point that I would listen to a station because it was in HD. I think
the real future is on the FM dial. One thing that bothers me about at least
2 of the 3 table top HD radios being sold in stores is that there is no
built-in ferrite rod AM antenna. The Sony came with a spool of wire to serve
as the AM antenna. About 25 miles north of Boston, the included folded
dipole antenna is fine on FM, but on AM the longwire is a pain to deal with
in a condo.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bob Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:56 PM
To: BostonRadio Mailing List
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now

After complaints, ABC/Citadel has sent a memo to its stations asking them to
stop broadcasting
I-Block, er, IBOC at night while the problems are being
studied...interference issues are
the factor (example, between WABC and WJR...)

This is actually welcome news for many DX-ers including yours truly who
depends on stations
like WEPN in NY to carry major league baseball playoffs (non-Red Sox). I
listen at work at night
and it would be very tough if I-Block came into play (no word if WBZ plans
to drop it,
or if they're even doing it at night? though I did manage to pick up the
1050...). Last night, for example, I just barely managed
to pick up Boston's ESPN stations (890/1400) for that wild card playoff game
(other
outlets, like WEPN in NY, had other programming). But I usually can't pick
them up
(at one point I was getting WLS on 890 instead) and have to try elsewhere.

Anyway, an interesting development...


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 14:32:06 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:32:06 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Don A wrote:
>
>> Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much 
>> of a deal about on air. 
>
> Actually his PHD is in History.
>
> (His BA is/was in Japanese Studies.)
>
>

I stand corrected. Thank you, sir!

Bill O.

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Tue Oct  2 14:20:06 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18178.34905.356789.596853@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <451328.67578.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> I didn't listen to Rea's first official show.  All I know about his
> background so far, beyond his television experience, is that he went
> to law school.  (He introduced a guest a few weeks ago as having gone
> to the same law school as he had.)  I'm not sure if that's good, bad,
> or indifferent.  I see from his wbz1030.com bio that he's a lifelong
> Bostonian.

He is a professional's professional. His reporting on the Salvati case
was dogged. He may have become too close to the subject -- not my place
to decide that -- but he and his editors/producers didn't let the story
die, either.




       
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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct  2 15:30:56 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:30:56 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Well, Ashbrook certainly doesn't deal in invective. So that part is
true, but he is so slavishly bound to the clock and to not missing a
post that I often find listening to On Point nerve wracking! I found
the most refreshing On Point programs to be those hosted by John
Hockenberry while Ashbrook was on vecation a year or so ago.
Hockenberry doesn't have Ashbrook's million-dollar pipes, but there is
nothing wrong with his voice; it's fine. AND he hit all of those posts
without a sign of agitation and without urging a single caller (at
least none that I heard) to get on with it "we have a break coming
up." I said to myself, "this guy is REALLY talented." Within the last
week or so, I read that Hockenberry has landed a new gig at some major
public radio station--WNYC, maybe. My reaction was "good for him but
too bad for us." I was hoping he'd wind up in Boston. IIRC, the item
mentioned the time at which the new program will air and it did not
seem as though it would fit into the schedule of either WBUR or
WGBH-FM.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "SteveOrdinetz"
<hykker@wildblue.net>; "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> From: "Dan.Strassberg"
>
>
>> For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
>> completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he
>> might
>> have had to say.
>
> His accent was part of his charm...and authenticity.
>
>> But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
>> fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific!
>>    ... whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
>> arrogance.
>
> A Phd. give you a certain amount of license to be arrogant.  ;-)
>
>> Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
>> rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
>> that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers
>> us,
>> not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
>> responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility.
>
> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
> many to be boring.
>
> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the
> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Oct  2 15:46:23 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:46:23 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Don A wrote:

> Well, while you see Brudnoy as calm, rational, issue-oriented 
> talk...others saw as boorish (Mr. Glavin)
> 
> While he was calm, he certainly handed out his "slams" in a colorful 
> manner...
> 
> Referring to urban HS kids as "gorillas" roaming the hallways was one 
> that many people took issue with.


Brudnoy's manner did change over the years.   In his later years, he 
talked like a cranky old guy, and wisecracked about his supposedly 
Pleistocene age.    In the late 1970s, though, the kindler gentler Dr 
Brudnoy was less prone to harsh talk and more willing to suffer fools 
gladly.

While a lot of us remember his days on WBZ, that wasn't his first 
talk-show stint: he'd appeared on 850 or 680 before then.  Maybe both?

--RC

From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 15:49:59 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:49:59 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Richard Chonak wrote:
> While a lot of us remember his days on WBZ, that wasn't his first 
> talk-show stint: he'd appeared on 850 or 680 before then.  Maybe both?
>

He took over at six pm after Jerry on WRKO for a while. The crossovers 
between the two often made for interesting radio in a train wreck sort 
of way.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  Train wrecks in 
radio can make for good listening.

Bill O'Neill

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct  2 16:36:28 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:36:28 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> ...but he is so slavishly bound to the clock and to not missing a
> post that I often find listening to On Point nerve wracking! I found
> the most refreshing On Point programs to be those hosted by John
> Hockenberry while Ashbrook was on vecation a year or so ago.
> Hockenberry doesn't have Ashbrook's million-dollar pipes, but there is
> nothing wrong with his voice; it's fine. AND he hit all of those posts
> without a sign of agitation and without urging a single caller (at
> least none that I heard) to get on with it "we have a break coming
> up."
My observations on Dan Rea after several weeks of listening during my 1+ 
hour commute
home from Chelmsford MA to Fremont, NH:

1. He has a tendency towards trying to squeeze in "just one more call" 
before the TOH. 
This invariably leads to one of 4 things:
a. Cutting the caller short - before he even gets his viewpoint stated 
or question asked.
b. Asking the caller to be brief - generally unsuccessful. Most callers' 
idea of brief is 5 minutes or so.
c. Holding the caller through the newscast - not possible if there's a 
guest/subject change.
d. Running late.

2. When he's passionate about a subject or when he's trying to steer a 
listener's thinking
toward his point of view, he has a tendency to speak very quickly and 
the pitch of his
voice goes way up.

3. Whenever he receives a first time caller, or a caller from outside of 
New England he
belabors the point of asking the caller to listen to WBZ on the Web 
and/or lock his radio's
dial setting into the vehicle's pushbuttons - almost to the point of 
obsession.

4. He has had his share of conspiracy theorists calling in the past 3 
weeks.  Some he had to cut off. 
Others he engaged in what seemed to be endless, fruitless exchanges of 
diametrically opposed viewpoints.
He seems to get caught up in arguing with them.  They interrupt him, he 
interrupts them.  That has led to
requests for callers not to engage in wackazoid, off-the-wall viewpoints 
and stick to mainstream discourse.
It appears he doesn't handle seriously dissenting callers with elegance, 
panache & flair.  It's possible that
call screening is an issue, but I am under the impression that the 
producer is the same as with Paul Sullivan.




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 03:51:18 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:51:18 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

The "let's squeeze in one more call" bit has happened with other talk hosts too, like Howie Carr 
(well, like he USED to do before he "benched" himself!)

Howie: We're almost at the top of the hour but we can squeeze in one more call. You're next on
the Howie Carr Show. Hello... hello...

Caller: Am I on?

Howie: Yes, you're on, quickly, please. Make sure your radio is turned down.

Caller: Oh. Sorry. Really enjoy your show, Howie. I've been listening for about a year
now and you really...

Howie: Quickly, PLEASE!

Caller: Oh...Well..Uh, I lost my train of thought. Oh wait. Now, Howie--

Howie: I'm sorry, we're out of time. I'm Howie Carr.

From me@billoneill.us  Wed Oct  3 06:52:12 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:52:12 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Bob Nelson wrote:
> The "let's squeeze in one more call" bit has happened with other talk hosts too, like Howie Carr (snip)
> Howie: I'm sorry, we're out of time. I'm Howie Carr.
>   

That's indicative of quite a few things, not exclusive to (a) (Ritalin 
Method) they're on a roll and are getting carried away; (b) (Sally Field 
Method) lots of calls means "You like me, you really like me!"; (c) 
(Crickets Method) I got nuthin', hope you do; (d) Host has given the 
talented producer no clout; (e) Producer's doing homework and chewing 
gum at the same time.

Bill O'Neill


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 09:13:17 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:13:17 -0400
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>

Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.

http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035634

There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
have vanished.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 11:09:32 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:09:32 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <20071003150932.0BDEE49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Was just about to mention that--the man who showed up is being
buried today in Winchester. As Carr notes, while neither Boston
paper had his obit, he was huge news in 1962 (the year
I was born)

Good night and good luck, good night to you...



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:00:08 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:00:08 -0400
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031100y1b6c4bcdkb78f9557272bb24c@mail.gmail.com>

The fact that WMEX had any listeners away from the coast when doing talk
when you had WTOP and WKBW coming in stronger on both sides is astounding.

I remember talking one night to Mac Richmond's nightime spy at WMEX (Norman
Soloman ) and he told me the only reason Mac went to 50,000 watts was so it
would impress the ad agencies and he could get more money for spots.

Norman would be there 7 nights a week and would also visit Squantum to make
sure the transmitter tech was awake.





On 10/3/07, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a testament to Woo-woo Ginsberg's popularity that WMEX garnered the
> ratings he did especially in winter, against the GIANT signals from WBZ,
> WNAC,
> WHDH and not-so-giant-but-still-pretty-good WEEI. AM's at 1150, 1260 and
> 1510
>

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:42:39 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:42:39 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Vahey" 
>To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:13:17 -0400


>Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
>Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
>Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.

>http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035634

>There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
>have vanished.

Howie mentioned that WMEX was able to get as high as a 40-share in those
days, while top-rated station (i.e. stations where he never worked) are
lucky to get a 7.  Well, remember that FM radio in those days was not a factor.
A couple of daytimers, WORL-AM 950 and WBMS-AM 1090 had listeners sunrise
to sunset, at night the only players were WEEI-AM 590; WNAC-AM 680; WHDH-AM 850;
WBZ-AM 1030; WCOP-AM 1150; WVDA-AM 1260 and WMEX-AM 1510.  (WVOM-AM 1600 existed
but then as now was given over largely to foreign-language programming.
WCRB broadcast on 1330 with a really tough signal in Boston, even worse than
WMEX's and by then was programming for FM listeners, even offering AM/FM stereo
broadcasts, and they were usually playing REAL classical music.)
It's a testament to Woo-woo Ginsberg's popularity that WMEX garnered the 
ratings he did especially in winter, against the GIANT signals from WBZ, WNAC,
WHDH and not-so-giant-but-still-pretty-good WEEI. AM's at 1150, 1260 and 1510 
are no longer competitive, but the FM dial bristles with signals in the Metro
Boston area, and even non-commercial FM's are now a factor.

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From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:42:36 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:42:36 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>

Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...

It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI

The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Wed Oct  3 15:08:48 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <680271.45039.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
> 
> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
> 
> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400

WEEI promoted yesterday that it is the only "local" station with the
Sox network in the postseason. 




       
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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Wed Oct  3 15:24:45 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:24:45 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>



Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
>
> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
>
> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400
>
>   
Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the playoffs 
will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room for wiggle on 
that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try break the contract.



From me@billoneill.us  Wed Oct  3 15:23:20 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:23:20 -0400
Subject: Citadel Imus Close to Deal?
Message-ID: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>

Neil Best at Newsday at 
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-spimus1003,0,799288,print.story
says that the long-rumored Imus landing at a Citadel property may come 
to fruition, e.g., WABC, WPLJ, etc. McCord would go with him (so 
surprise) and perhaps McGuirk.

Any ideas as to the likely syndicator?

Bill O'Neill

From francini@mac.com  Wed Oct  3 15:41:07 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:41:07 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>

Actually, if I were Red Sox management, I'd try to get Entercom to  
stop shuffling the games around, and PUT THE DAMN GAMES ON WEEI AND  
LEAVE THEM THERE. A talk station has NO business carrying sports.   
Especially since the audiences don't cross over well. It's always  
bugged me that WBZ-1030 AM has continued to carry Bruins Hockey,  
especially when that is so far off from their normal evening fare.

Back when the good Dr. Brudnoy graced our airwaves, you could always  
tell just how much he loved being pre-empted for "an exciting hockey  
game". His delivery of that line was always dripping with sarcasm.

And at the same time, Dennis and Callahan on WEEI have NO business  
talking politics, current events, or any other subject that they  
stick their noses into that ISN'T sports.

Sorry for the ranting tone, but I'm tired of all this shuffling around.

And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a  
national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and  
<insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.

Sigh.

John





On 3 Oct 2007, at 15:24, Roger Kirk wrote:

>
>
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
>>
>> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
>>
>> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400
>>
>>
> Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the  
> playoffs will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room  
> for wiggle on that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try  
> break the contract.
>
>


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Oct  3 15:45:53 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:45:53 -0400
Subject: Citadel Imus Close to Deal?
In-Reply-To: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>
References: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <734c666ce5b4ecc7ca063538cdc53479@charter.net>

Citadel owns the ABC Radio Network--it was part of the deal along with  
the terrestrial stations they bought from Disney/ABC.  I would assume  
they would keep it in house and do it themselves.   They already  
distribute Hannity and a few other conservatalkers, so Imus would fit  
right in.

The question for me is, will the I-man land on WABC or WPLJ?  I would  
think he'd be a better fit on 770, and I'm sure he could outbill Curtis  
Sliwa in mornings.  While WPLJ does need a format change, I can't see  
him landing on 95.5.   He'd be battling for the same demos/audience  
that listens to WABC.  There's no synergy there.

As far as Boston goes, he won't land anywhere until the Howie Carr  
situation is settled.  If Entercom wins and keeps him from going to  
96.9, I think WTKK would bring Imus back.   If Howie gets his wish and  
moves to FM, it wouldn't surprise me to see WRKO dump or move the  
Speakah and replace him with Imus.  680 needs a talk host with some  
name recognition in a big way besides Rush, and Finneran just isn't  
cutting it.  Despite his baggage, Imus might be worth the gamble for  
WRKO.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> Neil Best at Newsday at  
> http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny- 
> spimus1003,0,799288,print.story
> says that the long-rumored Imus landing at a Citadel property may come  
> to fruition, e.g., WABC, WPLJ, etc. McCord would go with him (so  
> surprise) and perhaps McGuirk.
>
> Any ideas as to the likely syndicator?
>
> Bill O'Neill
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 16:43:21 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:43:21 -0500
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
Message-ID: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Francini" 
>To: "Roger Kirk" 
>Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:41:07 -0400


>Actually, if I were Red Sox management, I'd try to get Entercom to 
>stop shuffling the games around, and PUT THE DAMN GAMES ON WEEI AND 
>LEAVE THEM THERE. A talk station has NO business carrying sports. 

Someone posting to the website of the folks trying to restore progressive
radio in Boston suggested that John Henry should buy a radio station and
convert it to that format.  For all his avowed success with commodities or 
whatever his day job is, the J-man (along with his partners) certainement
screwed up the Boston American League Baseball Corporation's radio contract!
I think he should stick to overpaying for mansions he intends to raze and
not get involved in the looney world of broadcasting!

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From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Oct  3 17:53:08 2007
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:53:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Stella Mars now WUMB PM drive
Message-ID: <15869217.1191448388847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I just noticed that longtime Boston area radio host
Stella Mars is the new afternoon drive host on WUMB.
Stella has been on many stations in the Boston market
including WBUR, WBOS, WEGQ/WQSX, WBMX, WROR, and WMJX
among others.

There have been many new voices rotating through WUMB 
since the departure of 12-year host Marilyn Rea Beyer 
a few months ago. Stella is the first to be posted on 
the current WUMB website schedule along with longtime 
host Dick Pleasants (mornings) and Dave Palmater (mid-
days), so I assume that she's officially got the gig.
Congratulations to Stella, and I hope it works out 
well for her!

EP




From paul@derrynh.net  Wed Oct  3 18:01:18 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:01:18 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

I think it'll be Dave O'Brien the rest of the way, now that ESPN TV baseball
coverage is complete for the year...

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
John Francini
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:41 PM
To: Roger Kirk
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Kevin Vahey
Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around


And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a  
national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and  
<insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.

Sigh.

John


>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 19:54:00 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:54:00 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
References: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>
	<003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031654h2e58ba6gf17c4e5e61a33511@mail.gmail.com>

Nope Geffner will work the ALCS and World Series as Obie doing the TV
feed seen outside the US produced by ESPN for MLB International,

On 10/3/07, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
> I think it'll be Dave O'Brien the rest of the way, now that ESPN TV baseball
> coverage is complete for the year...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
> John Francini
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: Roger Kirk
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Kevin Vahey
> Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
>
>
> And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a
> national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and
> <insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.
>
> Sigh.
>
> John
>
>
> >
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 01:53:59 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:53:59 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470439A7.8951.4CF144@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 9:13, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
> Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
> Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.
> 
> http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035
> 634
> 
> There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
> have vanished.
 
I remember hearing that clip some time ago.  It was played on the air 
at one time or another.  And I also remember Julius Ansel.

-- 
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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 01:54:01 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:54:01 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <470439A9.23461.4CF81A@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 12:42, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Howie mentioned that WMEX was able to get as high as a 40-share in
> those days, while top-rated station (i.e. stations where he never
> worked) are lucky to get a 7.  Well, remember that FM radio in those
> days was not a factor. A couple of daytimers, WORL-AM 950 and WBMS-AM
> 1090 had listeners sunrise to sunset, at night the only players were
> WEEI-AM 590; WNAC-AM 680; WHDH-AM 850; WBZ-AM 1030; WCOP-AM 1150;
> WVDA-AM 1260 and WMEX-AM 1510.  (WVOM-AM 1600 existed but then as now
> was given over largely to foreign-language programming. 

By 1962, WBMS had become WILD, WVDA had become WEZE, and WVOM had 
become WBOS.


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From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 02:01:58 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:01:58 -0500
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <47043B86.4945.543FB0@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 15:43, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Someone posting to the website of the folks trying to restore
> progressive radio in Boston suggested that John Henry should buy a
> radio station and convert it to that format.  

No they didn't.  They suggested that he be approached to be an 
investor in such a station.  Just as there are several minority 
investors in the Red Sox.

-- 
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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 02:12:58 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:12:58 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710032312qda45d01v5dfc7bcefca416f2@mail.gmail.com>

It's amazing...they continue the "Red Sox Wednesdays" idea. These games are
important enough that shouldn't they be on both? They did that for Opening Day
and Home Opener.

I did hear the game at work though WEEI is tougher to get. WAMG/WLLH did
have it too, of course...for the Cubs-Diamondbacks game I had to use an
FM re-transmitter to boost the 890 signal.

FWIW, WBZ is doing HD days and obliterating 1050 out of NY...luckily 890
had the Rockies-Phillies game. (Note though that I was trying to pick up
1050 on a car stereo which might not be made as well and may have a tough
time breaking the I-Block.)

I complained to WRKO but I don't think it will do much good. It is so stupid:
"EVERY game will be on WRKO". Yes but not tonight and not a possible
game 5 next Wed. Also one of the ALCS games falls on a Wed., as do
games 1 and 6 of the World Series, should the Sox get that far.

I would think by then the dunderheads on Guest St. will finally decide to
put it on both stations (some people DO have trouble getting WEEI). Games
1 and 6 of the World Series would be at Fenway should the Sox win
the pennant. Do we expect to hear a Savage re-run on 680 those
nights instead?

Insane.

> Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the playoffs
> will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room for wiggle on
> that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try break the contract.

From mike@miscon.net  Thu Oct  4 11:45:58 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:45:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>




Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3),
listeners throughout WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could
receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3 channel.

The premise is that WGBH launched this as a test of the extended HD
mode to determine if the HD3 signal would interfere with WGBH's main
signal.

Presently, WGBH's HD channels are:

HD1: main 89.7 signal (48kbs)

HD2: all classical (48kbs)

HD3: WCAI (24kbs)

Just thought some of you 'd want to
know...

Mike





From radiotony@comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 12:04:42 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:42 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000f01c806a0$47723460$d6569d20$@net>

I like what Dan Rea is doing with the slot and wish him well. He is a great
journalist and has put in a lot of time breaking really good stories.
What he did in the investigation of Joe Salvati - not letting go of the
story - is unheard of these days in broadcast journalism. 
I think his goal of a local show who puts people's feet to the fire is a
good angle.
I don't know if he is right to far right but I sense a moderate to
conservative philosophy. 
My only criticism of him is that he did, unwittingly, continue to perpetuate
the myth that 
Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11, after a caller from Medford a few
months back talked about the young men from the town
signing up to go to Iraq. The caller kept saying, We can't forget 9-11, we
can't forget 9-11. And Rea said, That's right. 
When called on it by another caller towards the end of that hour, Rea denied
that he said it and berated the caller quite defensively.
The caller was right and Rea was wrong. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Dan.Strassberg
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:16 AM
To: SteveOrdinetz; Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name

As for Dan Rea, I gather that his politics are pretty far to the
right, although I have not yet heard evidence of that. What I have
heard so far, I like. His approach seems quite free of the overheated
invective and name-calling that characterize nearly all of talk radio
today. Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility. One
can only hope that the approach will prove popular enough to be
emulated. I can think of only one other current talk-show host who
fits the rational mold--and his politics clearly lean to the left:
Thom Hartmann.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been
>>any
>>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me
>>wrong:
>>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>>think they're likely to carry me along.
>
>
> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a
> break from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy &
> Paul Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word,
> but the only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to
> have a harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably
> still tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a
> different style than his predecessors.
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Oct  4 16:45:51 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com><4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>

I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the aggregate bit rate
of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps. As
a result, the main channel could either be 32 or 48 kbps and if the
main channel is 32, the HD-2 and HD-3 channels would each also be 32.
If the main channel was 48, HD-2 and HD-3 would each be 24. I also
heard that the single channel of AM HD is 24. I don't think that
anyone has proposed four 24-kbps channels per station on FM, but if my
figures are correct (and if they aren't, can somebody please correct
me), each of the channels would have the same bandwidth as the single
channel on the AM-band version.

Now, the HD codecs are allegedly superior to those use in Webcasts. I
am listening to a mono 48-kbps Web stream as I type this; it's Danny
Stiles from WNSW (the link is at www.dannystiles.com). Other than
Stiles' voice, the material--lots of old records from the 30s, 40s,
50s, and 60s--probably doesn't have even as much as 5 kHz of audio
bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the
same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm
listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody
would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be quite a feat
to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of
the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.

I've had DSL service for less than a week. A moment ago, I experienced
my first dropout; dropouts are much less common than with dialup. When
the DSL signal came back, however, the bit rate had increased from
1184 kbps to 1248. It's probably my imagination, but the audio
bandwidth of the stream may have improved when the signal returned.
Don't ask me to explain that because 48 kbps is a small fraction of
both 1184 and 1248.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mike@miscon.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD


>
>
>
> Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3),
> listeners throughout WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could
> receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3 channel.
>
> The premise is that WGBH launched this as a test of the extended HD
> mode to determine if the HD3 signal would interfere with WGBH's main
> signal.
>
> Presently, WGBH's HD channels are:
>
> HD1: main 89.7 signal (48kbs)
>
> HD2: all classical (48kbs)
>
> HD3: WCAI (24kbs)
>
> Just thought some of you 'd want to
> know...
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Oct  4 18:16:54 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:16:54 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
	<001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18181.26198.592556.464436@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the aggregate bit rate
> of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps.

Extended hybrid mode adds 12.5, 25, or 50 kbit/s of additional
capacity over standard hybrid mode.  Thus, a station running full
extended-hybrid could carry their main service at 64 kbit/s, a second
audio service at 48 kbit/s, and a third audio service at 32 kbit/s,
leaving 2 kbit/s for PAD and other signalling.

> bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the
> same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm
> listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody
> would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be quite a feat
> to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of
> the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.

None of these codecs implement lossless stereo.  The standard
technique (I don't think HE-AAC aka "HDC" actually does this) is to
compute a source-direction vector for each subband in the encoder, and
then quantize it down to just a few bits per block of audio.

-GAWollman


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Oct  4 18:20:59 2007
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:20:59 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <18181.26198.592556.464436@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <004701c806d4$d7cf7570$6800a8c0@lysthia>

I just tuned in to WGBH from Peabody and even though I'm seeing a strong
signal the tuner did not see an HD carrier at all.

Brian Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
 
Office:  (978)538-7575
Fax:     (978)538-7550


> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 PM
> To: Dan.Strassberg
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: WCAI on WGBH HD
> 
> 
> <<On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" 
> <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:
> 
> > I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the 
> aggregate bit rate 
> > of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps.
> 
> Extended hybrid mode adds 12.5, 25, or 50 kbit/s of 
> additional capacity over standard hybrid mode.  Thus, a 
> station running full extended-hybrid could carry their main 
> service at 64 kbit/s, a second audio service at 48 kbit/s, 
> and a third audio service at 32 kbit/s, leaving 2 kbit/s for 
> PAD and other signalling.
> 
> > bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the 
> > same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm 
> > listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody 
> > would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be 
> quite a feat 
> > to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of 
> > the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.
> 
> None of these codecs implement lossless stereo.  The standard 
> technique (I don't think HE-AAC aka "HDC" actually does this) 
> is to compute a source-direction vector for each subband in 
> the encoder, and then quantize it down to just a few bits per 
> block of audio.
> 
> -GAWollman
> 
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 12:23:51 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:23:51 -0400
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
Message-ID: <4fc429770710050923h71546728g7762875024c2b222@mail.gmail.com>

When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
heard.

Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
last member of the show.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsco.html

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Oct  5 12:58:30 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710050923h71546728g7762875024c2b222@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <933790.8091.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
> replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
> heard.
> 
> Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
> last member of the show.
> 
>
http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsco.html

The link to George's obituary.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=470679543816f969&ei=-WwGR4_5Jpisatef3PMB&url=http%3A//www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2007/10/02/george_bent_lawyer_host_of_sports_radio_talk_show&cid=0

When I first got into radio, George still was a high school sports
official who ran the clock at White Stadium in Boston. He was a character.




       
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From paul@derrynh.net  Fri Oct  5 14:59:15 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:59:15 -0400
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
In-Reply-To: <933790.8091.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c80781$d5130bf0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Am I correct in my memory that WBOS 92.9 did simulcast sportscope for at
least a short period of its lifetime...

(I use to listen to Sportscope AND Ken Mayer on WUNR Sunday nights with the
earpiece and transistor radio.....after all, it WAS past my bedtime....)

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH
(then of Randolph MA)



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sean Smyth
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:59 PM
To: Kevin Vahey; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
> replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
> heard.
> 
> Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
> last member of the show.
> 
>
http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsc
o.html

The link to George's obituary.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=470679543816f969&ei=-WwGR4
_5Jpisatef3PMB&url=http%3A//www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2007
/10/02/george_bent_lawyer_host_of_sports_radio_talk_show&cid=0

When I first got into radio, George still was a high school sports
official who ran the clock at White Stadium in Boston. He was a character.




       
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From markwats@comcast.net  Fri Oct  5 16:53:43 2007
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:53:43 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
Message-ID: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>

   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a promo that 
they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night New York Knicks & 
Rangers games. Could this have something to do with IBOC from WBZ and if KYW 
from Philly on 1060 (if they're running IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on 
Eastern Long Island? This is also to my knowledge the first time they've 
carried pro sports on a regular basis.

Mark Watson 



From hykker@wildblue.net  Fri Oct  5 22:01:43 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
Message-ID: <20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>

Mark Watson wrote:
>   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a 
> promo that they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night 
> New York Knicks & Rangers games. Could this have something to do 
> with IBOC from WBZ and if KYW from Philly on 1060 (if they're 
> running IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on Eastern Long Island? This 
> is also to my knowledge the first time they've carried pro sports 
> on a regular basis.


Or maybe the mid-charting oldies format with the 1965 retro audio 
isn't paying the bills like it once did?

Certainly the demo (50+) they're targeting isn't a big user of radio 
in the evenings...what better way than sports to attract a new audience? 


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sun Oct  7 09:41:35 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:41:35 -0500
Subject: HowieCarr969.com
Message-ID: <20071007134135.7A36B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Boston Radio Watch http://www.bostonradiowatch.com revealed that Howie is working on a new
website, even though there still isn't a resolution to his radio situation

http://www.howiecarr969.com

The top of the page shows the "old" WTKK logo and the current WTKK lineup (without Howie)
followed by "Everyone's Favorite Howie Carr"--sans Sandy. Well, she is still employed by Entercom.
(Entercom feels that also applies to Howie).

The rest of the page is his Boston gangster stuff but that's a big problem: the page takes awhile
to fully load/scroll, even on broadband. Ever consider doing multiple pages, Howie, with links to
them? One loooooooong page makes it tough to download all the pics, scroll, etc.

Also of interest: A WHOIS search says that the domain is licensed to Howie Carr--
then gives the address as "20 Guest St. (in) Brighton". This despite all the 96.9 content on there!
Unless Entercom is making a deal to buy 96.9 from Greater Media.... :)

Am guessing HC doesn't want to reveal his Wellesley street address, but he does have a P.O. box
I think..unless the domain name registrar will not accept a P.O. box as an address...

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Oct  7 14:47:03 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:47:03 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
	<20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>

Actually, WLNG continues to do very well.  It's always among the top 
two or three highest rated stations on the East End of the island and 
at last check was number one in billing.  The station is hyper-local, 
particularly in terms of news and sales.  If you want to know what's 
going on out there, WLNG is where you turn.  Like other stations in 
that area, they make the bulk of their money between Memorial Day and 
Labor Day during vacation/tourist season.  Running winter sports may be 
an additional revenue stream during their most dormant period.  That 
station is much, much more than the oldies.

I've noticed that since the sale of the other ABC stations to Citadel, 
ABC/New York has simulcasted selected sports on Radio Disney 1560, 
which has that monster 50K signal that blankets most of the Northeast.  
A bunch of the MLB playoff games have been on 1560, including the 
Rockies/Phillies game last night.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the 
Knicks and Rangers also wind up on the Mouse--at least some of the 
night games.  1560 can be heard very well on the East End, so it may be 
more of a revenue generator for Paul Sidney and WLNG rather than a 
coverage issue for ABC/New York.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:01 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Mark Watson wrote:
>>   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a 
>> promo that they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night New 
>> York Knicks & Rangers games. Could this have something to do with 
>> IBOC from WBZ and if KYW from Philly on 1060 (if they're running 
>> IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on Eastern Long Island? This is also 
>> to my knowledge the first time they've carried pro sports on a 
>> regular basis.
>
>
> Or maybe the mid-charting oldies format with the 1965 retro audio 
> isn't paying the bills like it once did?
>
> Certainly the demo (50+) they're targeting isn't a big user of radio 
> in the evenings...what better way than sports to attract a new 
> audience?


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Oct  7 14:59:46 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <345281.50449.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> I've noticed that since the sale of the other ABC stations to
> Citadel, 
> ABC/New York has simulcasted selected sports on Radio Disney 1560, 
> which has that monster 50K signal that blankets most of the
> Northeast.  
> A bunch of the MLB playoff games have been on 1560, including the 
> Rockies/Phillies game last night.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the
> 
> Knicks and Rangers also wind up on the Mouse--at least some of the 
> night games.  1560 can be heard very well on the East End, so it may
> be 
> more of a revenue generator for Paul Sidney and WLNG rather than a 
> coverage issue for ABC/New York.

1560 has carried overflow sports programming from 1050 and 770
previously, so this is nothing new.




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From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 16:55:32 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:55:32 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
	<20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710071355i2cdd112bi6d76ea97c513a3c9@mail.gmail.com>

What is really odd is the Jets being on 1050 and 770 for all games.
The Jets complained that 1050 can no longer be heard at the stadium
and they are blaming WINS

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Oct  7 17:00:09 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:00:09 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <".132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net>
References: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<".132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <000001c80925$14587300$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
mike@miscon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:46 AM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD

>Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3), listeners throughout
WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3
channel.

Which is the only means by which listeners in the Boston area can hear the
second hour of "Talk of the Nation".



From radiotony@comcast.net  Sun Oct  7 16:59:24 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:24 -0400
Subject: NAB's Radio Brand ID study ... 
Message-ID: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net>

Anyone have any thoughts about it? Has anyone read it? Here is a link to it:


 

http://www.nhab.org/images/Radio_Brand_NAB.pdf

 

Best, 

Tony Schinella

Politizine.com

 


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Oct  7 19:01:59 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:01:59 -0400
Subject: TV game hostess shows super stamina
Message-ID: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>

Anything can happen on live TV!   In this video clip, the hostess of a 
live game show in Sweden shows her mettle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmxaKf8ruBM

While speaking to a caller, she gets sick *on camera* but continues the 
show without a break, casually explaining the nature of her 
discomfiture.   Then toward the end of the clip, she has another bout of 
trouble, discreetly off-camera the second time.

Man!  They make their TV hosts tough in Sweden.

--RC

From me@billoneill.us  Sun Oct  7 19:22:23 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0400
Subject: TV game hostess shows super stamina
In-Reply-To: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>
References: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <47096A2F.9080809@billoneill.us>

Richard Chonak wrote:
> Anything can happen on live TV!   In this video clip, the hostess of a 
> live game show in Sweden shows her mettle.
>

File under: The show must go on.  Or, The Silliest Game Show, Period.

Bill O'Neill

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Oct 10 08:12:16 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:12:16 -0400
Subject: Pandora.com
Message-ID: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>

Anyone else on this list experimented with the Pandora Web site? It
allows you to set up and "program" your own Internet radio stations
(as many as 100 per user). It's currently free, though there is a
$36/year option that--I guess--blocks the ads, which I have so far
found unobtrusive. To use either the free or paid services for more
than a few minutes, you must register, which requires supplying
Pandora with some demographic data, but not enough data to make me
worry. Whether Pandora will survive the Internet music-royalty wars
is, I think, unproven. But while it lasts, I'm finding it to be a lot
of fun and a source of some very nice listening.

According to the site, the software behind Pandora was created by
something called The Music Genome Project, which has categorized
probably tens of thousands of album cuts using a system that involves
rating each cut according to an (unspecified) large number of musical
attributes, none of which I've found either named or described on the
site. To set up a "station," you start by telling the software what
kinds of music you like. You do this by listing an artist or artists
and/or song titles. The software then says you like music similar to
what you've listed. The selected music can include many titles and
artists that you did not list but which the software considers to have
qualities similar to those of the titles and artists you did list. In
my case, many of the selected artists and titles are ones I had never
heard of (much less, heard) before I started playing with Pandora.
Each time Pandora presents a selection (even one you specifically
requested), it gives you the opportunity to tell it whether you liked
the selection, disliked it, or wish that your "station" would not play
it again for 30 days.

Pandora seems to like to create groups of four or five tracks from a
particular genre and then transition to a similar number of tracks
from a different genre that falls within the realm that it has decided
you like. However, your real-time "votes" can guide its selections
into different areas within your specified musical universe--or even
outside. After three or four days of listening and tweaking, I find
most of the music it selects for me to be quite pleasing.

Anyone who wants to hear what I like apparently can find out by
logging into Pandora and bringing up my "station," which I've named
"Mel Torme and Much More." BTW, I've not heard anything by Torme
himself for at least two days.

I've learned through sad experience that this music mix can never make
it on an over-the-air commercial station. Even though WJIB plays some
of the same selections, it probably would never play a mix like this
because it just wouldn't attract the number of listeners that Bob
Bittner reaches with the mix he has worked out.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:15:06 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:15:06 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
Message-ID: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>

It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they will start
an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.

Mark Ockerbloom and Maria Stephanos will anchor.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 10 16:29:15 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:15 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> 
> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they 
> will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.

No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.

BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
newscast will be in addition to the 10.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 10 16:35:13 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:35:13 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c80b7d$10b58c10$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> 
> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they 
> will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.


No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.

BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
newscast will be in addition to the 10.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 16:37:35 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976230.16709.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I heard the annoucement last night on the air. It took
a long time for them to get viewers used to 10p news -
I'm not sure this is going to work. Personally I like
having a sitcom option (right now "Seinfeld", in the
past it's been "The Simpsons") after an hour of news
that has a lot of filler/feature in the 2nd half. 

--- Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:

> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has
> announced they will start
> an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.
> 
> Mark Ockerbloom and Maria Stephanos will anchor.
> 



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From kenwvt@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 18:36:30 2007
From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:36:30 -0400
Subject: Pandora.com
In-Reply-To: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>
References: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <647737520710101536v157404b2l71e5597c74c3b2cf@mail.gmail.com>

I use Pandora quite often and find it very entertaining !

--Ken

On 10/10/07, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> Anyone else on this list experimented with the Pandora Web site? It
> allows you to set up and "program" your own Internet radio stations
> (as many as 100 per user). It's currently free, though there is a
> $36/year option that--I guess--blocks the ads, which I have so far
> found unobtrusive. To use either the free or paid services for more
> than a few minutes, you must register, which requires supplying
> Pandora with some demographic data, but not enough data to make me
> worry. Whether Pandora will survive the Internet music-royalty wars
> is, I think, unproven. But while it lasts, I'm finding it to be a lot
> of fun and a source of some very nice listening.
>
> According to the site, the software behind Pandora was created by
> something called The Music Genome Project, which has categorized
> probably tens of thousands of album cuts using a system that involves
> rating each cut according to an (unspecified) large number of musical
> attributes, none of which I've found either named or described on the
> site. To set up a "station," you start by telling the software what
> kinds of music you like. You do this by listing an artist or artists
> and/or song titles. The software then says you like music similar to
> what you've listed. The selected music can include many titles and
> artists that you did not list but which the software considers to have
> qualities similar to those of the titles and artists you did list. In
> my case, many of the selected artists and titles are ones I had never
> heard of (much less, heard) before I started playing with Pandora.
> Each time Pandora presents a selection (even one you specifically
> requested), it gives you the opportunity to tell it whether you liked
> the selection, disliked it, or wish that your "station" would not play
> it again for 30 days.
>
> Pandora seems to like to create groups of four or five tracks from a
> particular genre and then transition to a similar number of tracks
> from a different genre that falls within the realm that it has decided
> you like. However, your real-time "votes" can guide its selections
> into different areas within your specified musical universe--or even
> outside. After three or four days of listening and tweaking, I find
> most of the music it selects for me to be quite pleasing.
>
> Anyone who wants to hear what I like apparently can find out by
> logging into Pandora and bringing up my "station," which I've named
> "Mel Torme and Much More." BTW, I've not heard anything by Torme
> himself for at least two days.
>
> I've learned through sad experience that this music mix can never make
> it on an over-the-air commercial station. Even though WJIB plays some
> of the same selections, it probably would never play a mix like this
> because it just wouldn't attract the number of listeners that Bob
> Bittner reaches with the mix he has worked out.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 20:43:06 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:43:06 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710101743j7babc4ei8effcaa78d1207f4@mail.gmail.com>

Seinfeld has been on average getting more viewers than Ch. 4 at 11. So
they will lose those viewers who are looking for something other than
news. I can not see this working.

On 10/10/07, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
> >  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> > Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> >
> > It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they
> > will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.
>
> No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.
>
> BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
> newscast will be in addition to the 10.
>
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 10:57:29 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:57:29 -0400
Subject: T Radio
Message-ID: <4fc429770710110757y5c14a078p51436dd244a78528@mail.gmail.com>

I was at North Station this morning and was forced to sample the
latest brainstorm from our subway system  T RADIO


Turns out it is being run by Rich Balsbaugh and Ed McMann

What was the first song I heard?  Well it was done by the Kingston Trio

http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=13647&month=&year=

From wayne@vacationdreams.org  Thu Oct 11 16:19:16 2007
From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:19:16 -0400
Subject: T Radio
Message-ID: <470e8544.31b.1c21.944393148@vacationdreams.org>

That is TOO funny....

one of my favorites tunes, and favorite musical groups...

Ahhh.... the good ole days...



----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: T Radio
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:57:29 -0400

>I was at North Station this morning and was forced to
>sample the latest brainstorm from our subway system  T
>RADIO
>
>
>Turns out it is being run by Rich Balsbaugh and Ed McMann
>
>What was the first song I heard?  Well it was done by the
>Kingston Trio
>
>http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=13647&month=&year=

______________________________________________

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jah-ooz


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Oct 15 10:52:43 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:52:43 -0500
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
Message-ID: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Unbelievable. No Howie on the air at WRKO but you can have him on your computer by going to
http://www.wrko.com and clicking on Virtual Howie. It plays sound clips of Howie talking. Click on each one to hear it
when you get there. (Today some kind of legal meeting between the parties is due to take place.)

Take it away mumbles
Is this fair?
Whitey Bulger
Ted Kennedy (the Howie ?sock puppet? has a puppet of his own, Ted K with two jugs of booze)
I Didn?t Come Here To Be Made Sport Of
etc.

For a station that may lose Howie soon (but who knows with all this legal stuff) it?s puzzling. How
long have they been working on this? Again go to WRKO site and it?s right up top.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct 15 11:11:42 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:11:42 -0400
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
References: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>

I heard a commercial voiced by Howie on WRKO within the past week. 
Presumably the advertiser hasn't pulled it so WRKO had to run it. But 
I'd wager that nobody at Entercom was inclined to go to the advertiser 
and ask whether they wanted new talent to voice their spot. Doing so 
would only have reminded the advertiser of Howie's absence and given 
the advertiser a reason to cancel the rest of the contract. Moreover, 
isn't Entercom's official position still that Howie will be back at 
Guest St in the not-so-distant future?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie


Unbelievable. No Howie on the air at WRKO but you can have him on your 
computer by going to
http://www.wrko.com and clicking on Virtual Howie. It plays sound 
clips of Howie talking. Click on each one to hear it
when you get there. (Today some kind of legal meeting between the 
parties is due to take place.)

Take it away mumbles
Is this fair?
Whitey Bulger
Ted Kennedy (the Howie "sock puppet" has a puppet of his own, Ted K 
with two jugs of booze)
I Didn't Come Here To Be Made Sport Of
etc.

For a station that may lose Howie soon (but who knows with all this 
legal stuff) it's puzzling. How
long have they been working on this? Again go to WRKO site and it's 
right up top. 


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 14:39:09 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:39:09 -0400
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
In-Reply-To: <002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710151139q6c3fd2a2v1ca59f633ff1b29@mail.gmail.com>

There is scheduled to be a hearing today with Carr hoping the judge reconsiders
the ruling on "right to match".

Dan wrote:

>Doing so
> would only have reminded the advertiser of Howie's absence and given
> the advertiser a reason to cancel the rest of the contract. Moreover,
> isn't Entercom's official position still that Howie will be back at
> Guest St in the not-so-distant future?

They have said many times that they feel he is in their employ till
9/30/2012. But he
"benched himself". (Ads for Carr's show still run in the Boston Herald
on Mondays
and Thursdays, but that may be a trade between the Herald and WRKO. The Herald
also runs ads for Dennis and Callahan, and did so even during the "lockout";
meanwhile, WRKO's site runs news headlines from the Herald which might be
part of that ad trade.

From MauOB@aol.com  Mon Oct 15 21:26:48 2007
From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:26:48 EDT
Subject: Pandora.com
Message-ID: <c33.19920f63.34456d58@aol.com>

Thanks for mentioning Pandora!  I LOVE it!
 
Maureen



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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 16 03:35:44 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:35:44 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
Message-ID: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Howie Carr and his lawyers were in Suffolk Superior Court yesterday along with Entercom's
lawyers, as Howie tried to get the judge to reconsider his ruling in the "right to
match" case. According to this Herald article...

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1038339

...a ruling could come soon. The Herald's Jessica Heslam said that Howie's attorney
(Bret Cohen of Mintz Levin) referenced a case involving boxer Rocky Marciano.
"Cohen said Carr?s contract with WRKO ended last month and that the law says 'you cannot have a contract
to agree to a contract in the future"; meanwhile
Entercom's attorney Shep Davidson used a case involving a Celtics player to claim
that Entercom has the rights to Howie until 2012. Also he said that since
there was a never a "gap in employment", Entercom still had a right to match.


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 04:18:46 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:18:46 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>

The Globe's take on it. It quotes the judge as saying that he believes
WRKO's contract is still valid.

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/10/16/decision_on_carrs_future_may_come_today/

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 10:22:34 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:22:34 -0400
Subject: Only Boston program I know of that was heard nationally
Message-ID: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

Cedric Foster News and Commentary originated at the studios of WNAC in
Boston and was fed to the Yankee Network in New England and Mutual
nationally during and probably immediately after World War II. It was
a 15-minute program that, IIRC, aired M-F at 1:00PM Eastern time. To
this day, it probably holds the honors as the dullest regularly
broadcast 15-minute program in the history of network radio. Foster
presumably was the scion of an old-line Yankee family and, as I
recall, his views were accordingly conservtive. He had a pretty awful
(rather high-pitched) speaking voice, spoke in a monotone, and always
sounded as if he had a mouth full of marbles (dentures maybe?).

Donna: If you have any biographical notes on Foster, they might be
interesting.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:09:36 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:09:36 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>

Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.

Then what does he do?

From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct 16 11:23:04 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:23:04 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4714D758.6070804@billoneill.us>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
>
> Then what does he do?
>   

Anyone have a Member's Only jacket, name tag and a ticket to Wonderland 
to spare?

Bill O'Neill

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:28:23 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:28:23 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
Message-ID: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a higher court (where?),
sit out radio altogether, go to WTKK and risk some kind of lawsuit from Entercom...But does
this mean that if he's indeed staying with WRKO he would get the same kind of performance
incentives WTKK was offering? Was that part of "matching the offer"?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/16/judge-blocks-carr-from-wtkk/


http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 12:04:50 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:04:50 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
avarice (and stupidity). It says nothing good about the people in this
area that he has been so popular. As the rabbi in Fiddler on the Roof
said about the Russian czar, "May G-d bless and keep the czar--far
away from us!"

It would be great to learn that the closest to Boston Carr could work
on the radio was, say, Manchester NH, or Portland ME, or Burlington
VT.

Alas, I don't expect to be so fortunate; the rabbi's prayers were not
answered and I doubt that mine will be either.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a
higher court (where?),
sit out radio altogether, go to WTKK and risk some kind of lawsuit
from Entercom...But does
this mean that if he's indeed staying with WRKO he would get the same
kind of performance
incentives WTKK was offering? Was that part of "matching the offer"?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/16/judge-blocks-carr-from-wtkk/


http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html




From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 12:21:58 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
Message-ID: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>

Howie loses the case bigtime

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html

"Carr is not, as he argues in his brief, 'in essence [subject to] a
lifetime employment agreement' with Entercom," the Judge wrote. "And
wherever he legally finds himself, it is of his own conscious doing.
He has not, as he publicly claims, been placed into some form of
high-paid indentured servitude by this Court."

This is going to get good

From mike@miscon.net  Tue Oct 16 12:16:51 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:16:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <.132.185.144.120.1192551411.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>



> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not 
> legally work in Boston radio until 2012...

Could Carr be
"networked" into Boston? (Even if the "network" is
comprised of a station in Cowpie, Iowa and Boston?!)

Mike

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Oct 16 12:23:04 2007
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:23:04 -0400
Subject: Only Boston program I know of that was heard nationally
In-Reply-To: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <20071016162402.C390E4505F2@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com>

At 10:22 AM 10/16/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>Cedric Foster News and Commentary originated at the studios of WNAC in
>Boston and was fed to the Yankee Network in New England and Mutual
>nationally during and probably immediately after World War II. It was
>a 15-minute program that, IIRC, aired M-F at 1:00PM Eastern time. To
>this day, it probably holds the honors as the dullest regularly
>broadcast 15-minute program in the history of network radio. Foster
>presumably was the scion of an old-line Yankee family and, as I
>recall, his views were accordingly conservtive. He had a pretty awful
>(rather high-pitched) speaking voice, spoke in a monotone, and always
>sounded as if he had a mouth full of marbles (dentures maybe?).

Yes, I do have biographical info on Cedric Foster.  Dan is right 
about his ancestry-- on his mother's side (Cooke), they came over on 
the Mayflower, and his father had an equally prestigeous lineage.  He 
liked to tell people that he was a member of the Mayflower Society 
(oh boy). He and his wife also lived on Beacon Hill in one of those 
rare and very expensive homes... but after his kids were grown, he 
moved to Washington DC.  Yes it's true that Cedric was on the Yankee 
network, but like many in radio news back then, he started in print 
journalism. In October 1940, he joined Mutual as a commentator.  He 
became a war correspondent and covered WW2 from various battle 
zones.  He had quite a long and distinguished career-- he was still 
on the air in the early 1960s in fact.  In his heyday, he was heard 
on about 500 stations.  


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Oct 16 13:00:00 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:00:00 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO


> Howie loses the case bigtime
>
> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html
>
> "Carr is not, as he argues in his brief, 'in essence [subject to] a
> lifetime employment agreement' with Entercom," the Judge wrote. "And
> wherever he legally finds himself, it is of his own conscious doing.
> He has not, as he publicly claims, been placed into some form of
> high-paid indentured servitude by this Court."
>
> This is going to get good

unlike a non-compete, this type of "right to match/first refusal" does 
indeed equate a potential lifetime of indentured servitude.  granted, very 
well paid indentured servitude, but an uncomfortable working situation for a 
professional, none the less.

if the employee does not WISH or DESIRE to remain employed by an employer, 
regardless of a "right to match" clause, when the  contract ends after a 
productive, professional term of employment, the relationship is over.  i 
wonder if the "judge for life" who has ruled on this case would be as 
willing to rule as such if the life-time bench tenure came with a 
right-to-match.  an offer to practice law in the "dreaded private sector" 
most often comes with a fairly nice compensation package, and by the time a 
judge has determined to test the open-market waters, he/she is most likely 
pretty burned out by sitting on the bench, day in, day out, and are very 
ready for a change of scenery.  but there would nothing stopping a state, 
county or municipality from keeping someone on, just to let them know "that 
they can."  (not unlike the crude "why does a dog....?")

and again, i'd wonder if Entercom is ready to not only give Howie the money, 
but the airshift - mornings, too.  unless the tendered offer from Greater 
Media stipulates the generic "as needed by the company," which i would 
highly doubt it does, then WRKO's new morning guy would be H.L.C.

i would like to see this make its way through the upper levels of the 
courts.  the right-to-match is basically far more restrictive, at this 
point, than any non-compete.  then again, not every company is as apparently 
short-sighted and vindictive as the one in question.  and to be honest, 
vindictive is the only word to use for a company that would spend an 
extremely large sum of money to keep a very unhappy employee "in the nest."

- -Chuck Igo 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 13:10:24 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:10:24 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>


> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
> legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
> avarice (and stupidity).

Stupidity?  Like any wise person, he sought out some very good legal advice 
from the gang at Mintz Levin (Not too shabby...).

And for most of us laymen...we do what the lawyers tell us.

However, in the end, we are reminded that all lawyers give us is their 
"read" or "opinion".

No one really knows the answer until it gets before a judge.

I, too, am surprised that the judges don't find the "right of first refusal" 
to be just another instrument to effect a "non-compete"...which we now know 
is illegal.



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 16 15:07:38 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:38 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4714C5AA.2420.284B5E@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 Bob Nelson wrote:

> No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a
> higher court (where?), 

The Massachusetts Appeals Court.  And from there, if necessary, to 
the Supreme Judicial Court.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 16 15:07:38 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:38 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
> 
> Then what does he do?

Appeal.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 14:44:24 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <918055.96811.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- Chuck Igo <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> wrote:
then again, not every
> company is as apparently 
> short-sighted and vindictive as the one in question.
>  and to be honest, 
> vindictive is the only word to use for a company
> that would spend an 
> extremely large sum of money to keep a very unhappy
> employee "in the nest."
> 
This gets me wondering - is Greater Media planning
something else? I really think the end may not be
Howie on WTTK. It may be flipping WBOS to sports and
shooting at WEEI as well. I really think that the Red
Sox would be willing to partner on the deal (which is
the only way this would work). I don't think they're
happy with the WRKO/WEEI split, or with any critical
remarks on WEEI. Larry Lucchino really wants Glen
Geffner on the air, and Entercom really didn't want
him at all. The talk about the Sox buying BOS came at
a bad time for everyone last year (GM with purchasing
102.5 and selling 99.5, the Sox putting out $100m or
so on Dice-K) but it may work out for both sides now.
The Sox may be able to use NESN and Globe people to
staff the station, and a year from now make a play for
Glenn Ordway. I don't have any inside knowledge, but
again WBOS is in PD search mode. If they're going to
make a move now's the time, instead of bringing
someone in with great plans for a music station then
blowing it up on him/her. I'm also not sure how much
it would take for the Sox to break the Entercom
contract - 9 more years to go!


       
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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct 16 14:46:23 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:46:23 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <471506FF.30705@ttlc.net>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>   
>> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
>>
>> Then what does he do?
>>     
>
> Appeal.
>   
Or call Neil Chayette.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 14:47:21 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:47:21 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
	<00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

As I understand it, had he not signed the contract with Greater Media
until his contract with Entercom had expired (last month), he would be
off the hook, and Entercom, having failed to get him to re-sign with
them (they allegedly made no more to do so), would have been
completely out of luck. Not waiting a few weeks to sign the contract
with GM sure sounds like gross stupidity to me. If the story as I
heard it is correct and Mintz Levin nevertheless really OKed his
signing the Greater Media contract when he signed it, I would say that
Howie has a great case against his own attorneys--assuming that he can
find a lawyer who will take such a case.

One thing you can count on, though, is that Carr, being a radio
personality, has the overwhelming weight of public opinion on his
side, not that that necessarily gets him anything in court. Then there
are those of us who regard him as the lowest of the low and a general
scourge upon society--but we are in a small minority, I'm sure.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Bob Nelson"
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BRI"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


>
>> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
>> legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
>> avarice (and stupidity).
>
> Stupidity?  Like any wise person, he sought out some very good legal
> advice from the gang at Mintz Levin (Not too shabby...).
>
> And for most of us laymen...we do what the lawyers tell us.
>
> However, in the end, we are reminded that all lawyers give us is
> their "read" or "opinion".
>
> No one really knows the answer until it gets before a judge.
>
> I, too, am surprised that the judges don't find the "right of first
> refusal" to be just another instrument to effect a
> "non-compete"...which we now know is illegal.
>
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 14:54:47 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:54:47 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044><00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000e01c81026$07cff510$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

That should read "they allegedly made no MOVE to do so"--a typo and
nothing but a typo.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


> As I understand it, had he not signed the contract with Greater
> Media
> until his contract with Entercom had expired (last month), he would
> be
> off the hook, and Entercom, having failed to get him to re-sign with
> them (they allegedly made no more to do so), would have been
> completely out of luck. Not waiting a few weeks to sign the contract
> with GM sure sounds like gross stupidity to me. If the story as I
> heard it is correct and Mintz Levin nevertheless really OKed his
> signing the Greater Media contract when he signed it, I would say
> that
> Howie has a great case against his own attorneys--assuming that he
> can
> find a lawyer who will take such a case.
>
> One thing you can count on, though, is that Carr, being a radio
> personality, has the overwhelming weight of public opinion on his
> side, not that that necessarily gets him anything in court. Then
> there
> are those of us who regard him as the lowest of the low and a
> general
> scourge upon society--but we are in a small minority, I'm sure.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
> To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Bob Nelson"
> <raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BRI"
> <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases
>
>
>>
>>> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
>>> legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his
>>> own
>>> avarice (and stupidity).
>>
>> Stupidity?  Like any wise person, he sought out some very good
>> legal
>> advice from the gang at Mintz Levin (Not too shabby...).
>>
>> And for most of us laymen...we do what the lawyers tell us.
>>
>> However, in the end, we are reminded that all lawyers give us is
>> their "read" or "opinion".
>>
>> No one really knows the answer until it gets before a judge.
>>
>> I, too, am surprised that the judges don't find the "right of first
>> refusal" to be just another instrument to effect a
>> "non-compete"...which we now know is illegal.
>>
>>
>


From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu  Tue Oct 16 15:38:06 2007
From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:38:06 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <4715131E.6070609@biochem.bumc.bu.edu>

 From everything that I have read, the crux of the issue is that Howie 
and/or his agent (or at least appear to have) negotiated a contract with 
Greater Media while:

a. Still under contract to Entercom
b. Without first negotiating with Entercom
c. Not allowing Entercom to even counter-offer.

The big one however is the fact that he was still under contract to 
Entercom when an agreement with Greater Media was made.

If I remember the principles correctly from my Labor Relations classes 
many years ago, Howie and his agent were in breach of contract simply by 
entertaining an offer from Greater Media without informing Entercom, who 
had first right of refusal, while still under contract. They compounded 
the breach by refusing to "negotiate in good faith" with Entercom, who 
had the contractual right to negotiate for his services until mid 
September. As a result, Howie & Co. are being held to the letter of the 
contract, as interpreted by the court.



-- 
Tony Abruzzese
BUSM Dept of Biochemistry


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 15:42:09 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:42:09 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4714C5AA.2420.284B5E@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <017a01c8102c$a60092c0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>


>> No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a
>> higher court (where?),
>
> The Massachusetts Appeals Court.  And from there, if necessary, to
> the Supreme Judicial Court.

Joe, this would, in effect, take years, right?

...especially with the SJC?


>
> -- 
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>
>
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:17:15 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:17:15 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <918055.96811.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
	<918055.96811.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710161317o30a77cfcj717e2f09b2f25547@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/16/07, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This gets me wondering - is Greater Media planning
> something else? I really think the end may not be
> Howie on WTTK. It may be flipping WBOS to sports and
> shooting at WEEI

 I'm also not sure how much
> it would take for the Sox to break the Entercom
> contract - 9 more years to go!


>From what I have heard Entercom would be dancing for joy if they could
get out of this contract as they are losing millions this year.


Now as far as WBOS is concerned?

Greater Media has tried to make WPEN in Philly a sports talker but it
lags far behind powerhouse WIP

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 16:54:27 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710161317o30a77cfcj717e2f09b2f25547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <418782.86937.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I realize how entrenched WEEI is, but if the Sox are
involved and the games not to mention the lion's share
of team access go to WBOS then there's an immediate
jump. Without Sox cooperation on some level and games
it would be the FM version of WAMG. What the Sox are
looking for is corporate synergy, keeping the revenue
stream in-house and control of product. Not to mention
that the Yankees don't own or operate a radio station!
(Yet...)
 
--- Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/16/07, Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > This gets me wondering - is Greater Media planning
> > something else? I really think the end may not be
> > Howie on WTTK. It may be flipping WBOS to sports
> and
> > shooting at WEEI
> 
>  I'm also not sure how much
> > it would take for the Sox to break the Entercom
> > contract - 9 more years to go!
> 
> 
> From what I have heard Entercom would be dancing for
> joy if they could
> get out of this contract as they are losing millions
> this year.
> 
> 
> Now as far as WBOS is concerned?
> 
> Greater Media has tried to make WPEN in Philly a
> sports talker but it
> lags far behind powerhouse WIP
> 



       
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From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Oct 16 17:30:14 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:30:14 -0500
Subject: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating
Message-ID: <20071016213014.704281F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>

On this momentous day in the Howie Carr v. Entercomm struggle, the Arbitron quarterly
ratings were just released.  The only numbers generally available of course are the 
12-and-overs, and to please the gatekeepers, I won't specify them here...but 96.9 FM
tawk dropped slightly over one-half of a percentage point and the number to the left
of the decimal point dropped by one integer.  The internals are certainly known by 
WTKK's management and they can see exactly where the declines occurred, but are they in 
a position right now to take definitive, long-term steps to right their listing ship
while waiting for the Howie Carr affair to work through the courts? By then, WTKK might 
be below WBOS, the perennial bedrock outlet on Morrissey Blvd.

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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct 16 18:56:32 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:56:32 -0400
Subject: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating
In-Reply-To: <20071016213014.704281F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071016213014.704281F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <471541A0.7050102@ttlc.net>



Laurence Glavin wrote:
> ... are they in a position right now to take definitive, long-term steps to right their listing ship while waiting for the Howie Carr affair to work through the courts?
Perhaps the solution will be the usual remedy so well known and so 
frequently applied in the Sports world - Money. 

Howie's unhappy and wants to be a free agent.  So, Entercom could let 
Greater Media buy out Howie's contract.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Oct 16 19:05:56 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:05:56 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <A6FCAF9F0BA64C828BDC667185BE2257@DanBillingsPC>

Carr is an adult.  He signed the contract.  I assume he was represented at 
the time.  He was not the average DJ forced to sign a boiler plate contract 
by one of the four group operators in town.  He was not forced into 
anything.  He should have to live with his choices.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "Dan.Strassberg" 
<dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Howie belongs to WRKO
> unlike a non-compete, this type of "right to match/first refusal" does 
> indeed equate a potential lifetime of indentured servitude.  granted, very 
> well paid indentured servitude, but an uncomfortable working situation for 
> a professional, none the less.


From kwillcox@wnsh.com  Tue Oct 16 20:49:16 2007
From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:49:16 -0400
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200710170051.l9H0pWpe011570@tsornin.bostonradio.org>

This all reminds me of a great TV show about the origins of the Dave 
Letterman Show, and how he escaped from an onerous contract. That was 
a superb show.

Howie should stay at 'RKO and resume his afternoon gig for a while, 
until the appeal is over. In the mean time, even big law firms make 
mistakes. In this case even a beginner would know that you never 
agree to anything until the contract has expired, because a first 
refusal clause is exactly that.

Howie speaks enough about going to Florida, might he end up working there.

BTW, we will start the process of going up to full power starting 
Wed. WPEP was a great local station, and they did a great job serving 
the Taunton Raynam area. I enjoyed working there for a few years 
before I got sick. I respect them for all the work they did to build 
a local station there, and I hope all the employees landed somewhere nice.

WNSH now has a big duty to succeed. We have taken the bold move to 
have only women, or women and men as partners, as on-air talent. 
Hennican and White got fired last week, and their replacement, the 
Satellite Sisters should be on shortly.

Sincerely,

Keating Willcox ~/~

WNSH AM 1570 Beverly
Women's Talk Radio
By Women - For Women
kwillcox@wnsh.com
www.wnsh.com
(617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954
transmitter Beverly, MA
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From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 21:11:52 2007
From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating
In-Reply-To: <20071016213014.704281F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <605155.23021.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:

>  The only numbers
> generally available of course are the 
> 12-and-overs, and to please the gatekeepers, I won't
> specify them here...but 96.9 FM
> tawk dropped slightly over one-half of a percentage
> point...

Lets keep this in perspective....

It IS the Summer book, the least important book of the
sales departments.

It is a book that the least amount of marketing for a
station is done.

It is a book that is discounted by buyers because the
audience it measures is in flux...vacationing
traveling, etc.

It is also the book where the majority of hosts take
vacation time (and unlike music stations, having a
host on the air is considered vital to a talk
station.)

Lastly, keep in mind that Howie aside, WTKK just
unvelied some new marketing schemes, website, call
letters are prodominantly used on the air now, new
promo vices, weather reports, etc.

That being said....WTKK is still NOT _my_ favorite
station.  




       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow  

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 23:03:33 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:03:33 -0400
Subject: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating
References: <605155.23021.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c8106a$5189c3e0$62eca644@SatU205S5044>

AND, isn't this WTKK's's first book since Imus was exiled? From what
I've heard, the I-man's numbers on WFAN were not spectacular but the
revenue he brought in was. I don't know how important he was to WTKK,
either for numbers or revenue, but my guess is that he was nearly as
important in Boston on both counts as he was in New York. As Imus's
replacement, Carr would have been equally important to WTKK--and no
doubt he will be once the dust settles. However, by hiring Carr,
Greater Media got a twofer--the biggest draw of both audience and
revenues in Boston talk radio AND they were going to take those
numbers and that revenue out of competitor Entercom's hide. Brilliant!

For however long Entercom can keep Carr off WTKK, they prevent Greater
Media from winning at least half the battle. Entercom is therefore
almost certain to do whatever is in its power to delay Carr's
appearance on WTKK for as long as possible. If Entercomm can succeed
in delaying Carr's appearance for long enough, they must be hoping
that the audience's memories of Carr will fade at least a little bit
and that it will take some time for the AM drive audience to build up
at 96.9. If Citadel puts Imus into syndication, I suspect that
Entercom will make a play for him and, if successful, will move
Finneran into PM drive to make room for the I-man. Imus in AM drive on
WRKO would have a certain symmetry to Carr in AM drive on WTKK.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Pappalardo" <joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com>
To: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating


>
> --- Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>  The only numbers
>> generally available of course are the
>> 12-and-overs, and to please the gatekeepers, I won't
>> specify them here...but 96.9 FM
>> tawk dropped slightly over one-half of a percentage
>> point...
>
> Lets keep this in perspective....
>
> It IS the Summer book, the least important book of the
> sales departments.
>
> It is a book that the least amount of marketing for a
> station is done.
>
> It is a book that is discounted by buyers because the
> audience it measures is in flux...vacationing
> traveling, etc.
>
> It is also the book where the majority of hosts take
> vacation time (and unlike music stations, having a
> host on the air is considered vital to a talk
> station.)
>
> Lastly, keep in mind that Howie aside, WTKK just
> unvelied some new marketing schemes, website, call
> letters are prodominantly used on the air now, new
> promo vices, weather reports, etc.
>
> That being said....WTKK is still NOT _my_ favorite
> station.
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's
> updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
> http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct 16 23:22:26 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:22:26 -0400
Subject: WTKK Can't Be Happy About Latest Rating
In-Reply-To: <002d01c8106a$5189c3e0$62eca644@SatU205S5044>
References: <605155.23021.qm@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<002d01c8106a$5189c3e0$62eca644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <47157FF2.6040901@ttlc.net>

Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> For however long Entercom can keep Carr off WTKK, they prevent Greater
> Media from winning at least half the battle. Entercom is therefore
> almost certain to do whatever is in its power to delay Carr's
> appearance on WTKK for as long as possible.
It never ceases to amaze me how people and businesses will expend so 
much time, effort & money on trying to make their competition worse and 
so little on making themselves better.  The net result is  convergence 
on mediocrity.   Such a petty mindset.


From eddonahue@mac.com  Tue Oct 16 22:39:51 2007
From: eddonahue@mac.com (ED DONAHUE)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:39:51 -0400
Subject: WPEP
Message-ID: <EC43A21B-9724-4971-B5DA-51682B352281@mac.com>

Its very sad to hear that the station that got me started in radio is  
going away. Based on the current state of radio, it was always nice  
to return home and hear some local programs on PEP. Its sad its going  
away because of a station reliant on a satellite dish. Working with  
people like Eddie Litchfield and Jim Dixon at WPEP was a lot of fun.

Ed Donahue

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 17 01:56:57 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:56:57 -0500
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>,
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <47155DD9.5693.5B9BD7@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 at 13:00, Chuck Igo wrote:

> unlike a non-compete, this type of "right to match/first refusal" does
> indeed equate a potential lifetime of indentured servitude.  granted,
> very well paid indentured servitude, but an uncomfortable working
> situation for a professional, none the less.

So who told Howie Carr to sign the contract?  When the average 
employee signs an employment contract, it's drafted by the employer 
on mostly a take-it-or-leave-it basis.  But when Howie Carr signs a 
contract, it is carefully negotiated by Carr's lawyers.  There was 
some reason why this seemed to be in Carr's interest when he signed 
it.
 
> i wonder if the "judge for life" who has ruled on this case would
> be as willing to rule as such if the life-time bench tenure came
> with a right-to-match.  

Judge Van Gestel is a highly respected judge, who had a distinguished 
career in law practice before he went on the bench -- at a 
considerable pay cut.  He sits in the Superior Court business session 
because he has a considerable amount of expertise on contract law.  
He didn't rule what he liked, he ruled according to his best 
understanding of the contract and the law.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 17 01:56:57 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:56:57 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <47155DD9.23938.5B9D2F@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 at 14:47, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> As I understand it, had he not signed the contract with Greater Media
> until his contract with Entercom had expired (last month), he would be
> off the hook, and Entercom, having failed to get him to re-sign with
> them (they allegedly made no more to do so), would have been
> completely out of luck. Not waiting a few weeks to sign the contract
> with GM sure sounds like gross stupidity to me. If the story as I
> heard it is correct and Mintz Levin nevertheless really OKed his
> signing the Greater Media contract when he signed it, I would say that
> Howie has a great case against his own attorneys--assuming that he can
> find a lawyer who will take such a case.
 
It may seem that way on the surface, but to evaluate whether Carr has 
a case against his lawyers, one would have to actually read the 
contract and know a lot about the circumstances that led to the 
signing.  I would expect that Carr's lawyers explained the contract's 
terms to him in great detail. A large firm handling that large a 
transaction very likely gave him their explanation in writing.  It 
was Carr's decision to sign the contract, and he would only have a 
case against his lawyers if they failed to explain something to him 
properly, and he signed based on that failure.

As for getting a lawyer to take the case, if it's a good case, 
someone will take it.  

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 17 01:56:57 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:56:57 -0500
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <4715131E.6070609@biochem.bumc.bu.edu>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>,
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>,
	<4715131E.6070609@biochem.bumc.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <47155DD9.19339.5B9E1A@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 at 15:38, Tony Abruzzese wrote:

> If I remember the principles correctly from my Labor Relations classes
> many years ago, Howie and his agent were in breach of contract simply
> by entertaining an offer from Greater Media without informing
> Entercom, who had first right of refusal, while still under contract.
> They compounded the breach by refusing to "negotiate in good faith"
> with Entercom, who had the contractual right to negotiate for his
> services until mid September. As a result, Howie & Co. are being held
> to the letter of the contract, as interpreted by the court.
 
It depends very much on what the contract says, and I would never try 
to evaluate such things without reading it.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 17 01:56:57 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:56:57 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <017a01c8102c$a60092c0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<017a01c8102c$a60092c0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <47155DD9.23676.5B9F04@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 at 15:42, Don A wrote:

> Joe, this would, in effect, take years, right?
> 
> ...especially with the SJC?

Maybe and maybe not.  If parties are looking for an injunction, it is 
sometimes possible to get a temporary order from a single justice.  
That can be done in a week or so.  It's not a final order, but it can 
in many ways dispose of the case.  If a single justice of the Appeals 
Court decides that Carr has a reasonable shot at prevailing on the 
merits of the case and that he will suffer irreparable harm from a 
delay, s/he could enter some sort of an order that would permit him 
to go to work for WTKK while the appeal is pending.  That alone 
could, as a practical matter, end the case.  Or perhaps encourage 
settlement.

As for how long the actual appeal takes, the Appeals Court was 
expanded by about six judges several years ago, and it has cleared 
the backlog.  I just got a decision in an appeal that we took up 
early this year.  As for the SJC, I'm not sure, but I think the 
appeal in the Louise Woodward case took under a year from the time of 
Judge Zobel's decision to the issuance of the SJC decision.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:22:14 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:22:14 -0400
Subject: looking at the summer numbers
Message-ID: <4fc429770710170822n511dba79x1608e26e6ea7d1cd@mail.gmail.com>

It is obvious moving the Sox over to RKO did what Entercom wanted as
they have the same 12+ as WEEI.

WBZ fell but I wonder if that is only because of vacations.

and always good to see the Mighty 740 doing well

http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=35&RY=2007&RQ=3&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=Boston&MS=MA&MR=11&12P=3838300&UP=10/16/2007%2012:00:00%20AM&SU=CM&BPER=6.3&HPER=&OPER=&NSD=11/15/2007%2012:00:00%20AM&CE=0

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Oct 17 15:47:07 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:47:07 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <47155DD9.5693.5B9BD7@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>,
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
	<47155DD9.5693.5B9BD7@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <BA004157F09C48E5A291E7C0E7BF524E@DanBillingsPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Howie belongs to WRKO

> So who told Howie Carr to sign the contract?  When the average
> employee signs an employment contract, it's drafted by the employer
> on mostly a take-it-or-leave-it basis.  But when Howie Carr signs a
> contract, it is carefully negotiated by Carr's lawyers.  There was
> some reason why this seemed to be in Carr's interest when he signed
> it.

Exactly. 


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Oct 17 23:07:57 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:07:57 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <BA004157F09C48E5A291E7C0E7BF524E@DanBillingsPC>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>,
	<00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>	<47155DD9.5693.5B9BD7@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<BA004157F09C48E5A291E7C0E7BF524E@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4716CE0D.2080208@gabrielmass.com>

A couple of questions:

Does the "right to match" feature in Howie's contract also get extended 
automatically if Entercom matches an offer?  That would enable Entercom 
to keep him working at WRKO for as long they want, until he leaves the 
Boston market.

Hm: could Howie get out of his bind by moving to television for a while?

--RC

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 18 01:39:31 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:39:31 -0500
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <4716CE0D.2080208@gabrielmass.com>
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BA004157F09C48E5A291E7C0E7BF524E@DanBillingsPC>,
	<4716CE0D.2080208@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <4716AB43.31520.5AB61B@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 17 Oct 2007 at 23:07, Richard Chonak wrote:

> Does the "right to match" feature in Howie's contract also get
> extended automatically if Entercom matches an offer?  That would
> enable Entercom to keep him working at WRKO for as long they want,
> until he leaves the Boston market.
> 
> Hm: could Howie get out of his bind by moving to television for a
> while?

Do you have a copy of the contract?  Find me a copy of the contract, 
and I'll be happy to opine on these things.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Oct 18 11:32:29 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:32:29 -0500
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
Message-ID: <20071018153229.E9B2083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>It may be flipping WBOS to sports and
shooting at WEEI as well. I really think that the Red
Sox would be willing to partner on the deal (which is
the only way this would work).

What if cross-ownership laws were to be relaxed
(read something online about it yesterday); imagine
a certain newspaper just down the street partnering
with Greater to create a sports talk or news/sports/talk
station. You know, the paper whose parent
company owns 17 per cent of the Sox?
(Not that daily newspaper/radio station combos
always work; see "Washington Post Radio")

>>The Sox may be able to use NESN and Globe people to
staff the station, and a year from now make a play for
Glenn Ordway.

A domain name or two --and even a preliminary logo--
for "the Ticket 92.9" --was found online recently.
GM may have been considering flipping WBOS to
sports and maybe getting Dennis and Callahan,
if available.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 11:50:20 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:50:20 -0400
Subject: MIKE FM goes ad free late mornings
Message-ID: <4fc429770710180850s56b0a5b8y36809e2bb1c28c0e@mail.gmail.com>

Entercom has announced that 93.7 WMKK will no longer accept
advertising between 9AM and Noon.

I can see it being a good move to lock in the office crowd.

http://news.bostonherald.com/jobfind/news/media/view.bg?articleid=1038834

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Thu Oct 18 14:34:36 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:34:36 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
References: <20071018153229.E9B2083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <019501c811b5$89e6dba0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

<<What if cross-ownership laws were to be relaxed
(read something online about it yesterday); imagine
a certain newspaper just down the street partnering
with Greater to create a sports talk or news/sports/talk
station.>>

>From a legal standpoint (I'm writing very much as a layman), I don't think
there's any reason why such a partnership wouldn't be feasible now.  The
Portland Newspapers (Blethen-owned) have been in a news partnership with
Hearst-Argyle's WMTW-TV for some time.

Relaxation of media cross-ownership is about to be discussed by the FCC.
Personally, I have no problem with the idea, except that I feel strongly
that a media company should be allowed to own a daily newspaper and only ONE
AM-FM or radio-TV combo in a given community.  We've got enough duopolies,
triopolies, quadropolies and otherwise multi-"opoly" ownerships already
without making the problem worse.

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Maureen Carney" <m_carney@yahoo.com>; "Boston Radio Group"
<boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Howie belongs to WRKO


>>It may be flipping WBOS to sports and
shooting at WEEI as well. I really think that the Red
Sox would be willing to partner on the deal (which is
the only way this would work).

What if cross-ownership laws were to be relaxed
(read something online about it yesterday); imagine
a certain newspaper just down the street partnering
with Greater to create a sports talk or news/sports/talk
station. You know, the paper whose parent
company owns 17 per cent of the Sox?
(Not that daily newspaper/radio station combos
always work; see "Washington Post Radio")

>>The Sox may be able to use NESN and Globe people to
staff the station, and a year from now make a play for
Glenn Ordway.

A domain name or two --and even a preliminary logo--
for "the Ticket 92.9" --was found online recently.
GM may have been considering flipping WBOS to
sports and maybe getting Dennis and Callahan,
if available.


From radiotony@comcast.net  Thu Oct 18 14:04:25 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:04:25 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <019501c811b5$89e6dba0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
References: <20071018153229.E9B2083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<019501c811b5$89e6dba0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <006e01c811b1$51efe920$f5cfbb60$@net>

I would most certainly support relaxing the ownership rules between
newspapers and radio and television stations. 
There could be very good synergy between daily newspapers and especially
news/talk stations. 
But, I would only support it if so long as the FCC tightened the rules on
ownership to pre-1996 Telecom Bill, where there was more competition between
media companies and more choices, too. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
OurConcord.com


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Doug Drown
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:35 PM
To: Bob Nelson; Maureen Carney; Boston Radio Group
Subject: Re: Howie belongs to WRKO

Relaxation of media cross-ownership is about to be discussed by the FCC.
Personally, I have no problem with the idea, except that I feel strongly
that a media company should be allowed to own a daily newspaper and only ONE
AM-FM or radio-TV combo in a given community.  We've got enough duopolies,
triopolies, quadropolies and otherwise multi-"opoly" ownerships already
without making the problem worse.

-Doug


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Oct 20 11:21:51 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:21:51 -0500
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
Message-ID: <20071020152151.C02CA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1039291

Howie Carr's lawyers are seeking to get a panel together to hear his complaint and get
permission to do his show at 96.9 while the case goes through court--which
could take up to a year. They argue that Howie's being able to accept a WTKK
deal on Sept. 20, but he couldn't as early as one day before that, is
"absurd". The Herald headline btw incorrectly states the call letters as "WTTK"
(calls that 100.7 had years ago)



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Oct 20 11:59:04 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:59:04 -0500
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
Message-ID: <20071020155904.EAA8E83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

There's more on this from the Globe

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/10/20/carr_appeals_court_ruling_on_contract

They're disputing part of the "right of first refusal". An employment law attorney said that
they may have a point but that there's a lack of legal precedent to work from.
The article reveals for the first time that it was on June 1, the day Barnicle turned
down the am drive shift, that they called Howie's agent Cary Pahigian about the slot. It also
says Entercom's attorney urged Carr's attorney to keep the matter out of court--and
it says that should Howie lose, he may be liable for paying Entercom's legal fees.

And the judge in the case is quoted as saying that Carr writes "hypercritical screeds in the Boston Herald, 
attacking essentially any public figure of his choice."

Sounds pretty impartial, eh? Boy, Judge van Gestel must be a big fan of Howie, eh...

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 12:24:16 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:24:16 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
References: <20071020152151.C02CA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1039291

Howie Carr's lawyers are seeking to get a panel together to hear his 
complaint and get
permission to do his show at 96.9 while the case goes through court--which
could take up to a year. They argue that Howie's being able to accept a WTKK
deal on Sept. 20, but he couldn't as early as one day before that, is
"absurd". The Herald headline btw incorrectly states the call letters as 
"WTTK"
(calls that 100.7 had years ago)

.....

the right of first refusal in this case actually would have rewarded a 
contractual employee for NOT sticking to the terms of his/her original 
agreement.  the right-of-first-refusal allows for a current employer to 
match an offer from a new, perspective employer.  the clause asks the 
employee to present any new, competing offer, in good faith.  as per the 
contract, the employee, in this case Howie, did so and lost.

yet if Howie were to have "kept his mouth shut" until a minute after 
midnight of the Entercom contract's expiration - and just gone to Greater 
Media, the general gist could have been argued that the empoyee did NOT own 
up to his/her end of the original contract (ie: present a competing offer). 
this "right of first refusal" is simply another way to attempt to enforce a 
non-compete.  and in the case of right-of-first-refusal, according to the 
courts, is quite legal.

seems to me that there is no good end to a right-of-first-refusal clause 
unless the current employer has no desire to retain said employee.

- -Chuck Igo

and for the folks who maintain "Howie is an adult" (signed the contract, 
etc) - yes, he is.  and by going to Entercom with the new offer from Greater 
Media, he's a stand-up guy, too. 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Oct 20 13:25:13 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:25:13 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves

> and for the folks who maintain "Howie is an adult" (signed the contract, 
> etc) - yes, he is.  and by going to Entercom with the new offer from 
> Greater Media, he's a stand-up guy, too.

Wouldn't a stand up guy have continued to work for Entercom when they 
matched it? 


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 13:39:38 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:39:38 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>

> Wouldn't a stand up guy have continued to work for Entercom when they 
> matched it?

would YOU want to continue to work where you neither enjoyed the atmosphere 
nor the conditions of employment?

of course - you'll answer "yes," because you're a stand-up, guy, too.

much easier to take the high-road when it ain't you, isn't it?

- -Chuck Igo 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Oct 20 14:00:16 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:00:16 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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As my parents taught me when I was young, sometimes you have to do things 
that you don't want to do.

Howie made choices that he has to live with.  He can live up to his contract 
or not work in radio.  (Or work out a compromise, but the aggressive tactics 
that he has used to date probably taken that option off the table.  When you 
start a war, you need to be prepared to lose.)

By the way, Chuck, didn't I read somewhere Cary Pahagain is Carr's agent? 
Isn't Cary still your boss?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves

> would YOU want to continue to work where you neither enjoyed the 
> atmosphere nor the conditions of employment?
>
> of course - you'll answer "yes," because you're a stand-up, guy, too.
>
> much easier to take the high-road when it ain't you, isn't it?



From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 14:16:49 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:16:49 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>

>
> By the way, Chuck, didn't I read somewhere Cary Pahagain is Carr's agent? 
> Isn't Cary still your boss?
>

yep.  and that he is my boss and Howie's agent has nothing to do with this 
as evidenced by the same right-to-match clause in the contract i signed with 
Saga several years ago.

interesting that it's "okay" on one side of the desk and not so okay on the 
other side.

and didn't you once work for Cary, too?  yes, you did.  so there - we're 
even.

- -Chuck Igo


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 15:14:19 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:14:19 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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> As my parents taught me when I was young, sometimes you have to do things
> that you don't want to do.

My parents taught me, if you think something is wrong...then fight for your 
rights.

> Howie made choices that he has to live with.

I'm sure our resident councilor will correct me if I am wrong, but there are 
certain rights you can't give away, or sign away.  Civil rights, for 
example.

I can't, for instance, make a contract with you whereby I agree never to 
vote in an election, etc....even if I sign it willingly, receive 
compensation and know what I am signing.

Can you sign on the line...and let a company "own" you for 10 years?


There is one precedent setting case before the Mass SJC years ago.

Max Richmond required his employees all to sign non-competes (when they were 
legal).

The non-competes were for 5 years and 500 miles.


The SJC said that non-competes, while legal (at the time) had to be 
"reasonable".

"Reasonable" was generally perceived to mean 1 year....and Arbitron metro.


I'm sure the Dan Billings of the times would've said "Well, they knew what 
they was signing!  "No one forced their hands!"


There are times when an employer has an upper hand in negotiations.  It is 
generally agreed in principal, in practice, (and in law?) that you cannot 
use that to be grossly unfair to someone.


I don't believe the SJS would find that a 5 year contract that in effect 
binds someone for an ADDITIONAL 5 years......is "reasonable"....regardless 
of continuing compensation.





From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Oct 20 15:10:19 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:10:19 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" 
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves

> yep.  and that he is my boss and Howie's agent has nothing to do with this 
> as evidenced by the same right-to-match clause in the contract i signed 
> with Saga several years ago.
>
> interesting that it's "okay" on one side of the desk and not so okay on 
> the other side.

Saga has not had much luck enforcing their contracts in Maine, i.e. Lori 
Voornas, Jim Crocker.

> and didn't you once work for Cary, too?  yes, you did.  so there - we're 
> even.

There is a difference between currently working for someone and formerly 
working for someone.  Cary has no impact on my life today.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Oct 20 15:18:49 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:18:49 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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even... even??? Huh? If you work for him now, you would probably want
to stay on his good side. If Dan ONCE worked for him, he might well
not care whether or not he stayed on his good side. Seems like a
pretty simple comcept.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson"
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List"
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:16 PM
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
>
>>
>> By the way, Chuck, didn't I read somewhere Cary Pahagain is Carr's
>> agent? Isn't Cary still your boss?
>>
>
> yep.  and that he is my boss and Howie's agent has nothing to do
> with this as evidenced by the same right-to-match clause in the
> contract i signed with Saga several years ago.
>
> interesting that it's "okay" on one side of the desk and not so okay
> on the other side.
>
> and didn't you once work for Cary, too?  yes, you did.  so there -
> we're even.
>
> - -Chuck Igo
>


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sat Oct 20 20:34:21 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:34:21 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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Chuck Igo wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" 
> <billings@suscom-maine.net>
> 
>> Wouldn't a stand up guy have continued to work for Entercom when they 
>> matched it?
> 
> would YOU want to continue to work where you neither enjoyed the 
> atmosphere nor the conditions of employment?


I hope radio personalities, like everyone else, have the option to 
consider factors other than money in making their employment decisions.

--RC


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 23:43:49 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:43:49 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>

>
> There is a difference between currently working for someone and formerly 
> working for someone.  Cary has no impact on my life today.

obvious to me, but not to you, counselor - he does have an impact on your 
life.  you've wasted more than a few minutes on this topic today alone.

  (inserting grin here)

- - Chuck Igo 


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sat Oct 20 23:55:56 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:55:56 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>



> even... even??? Huh? If you work for him now, you would probably want
> to stay on his good side. If Dan ONCE worked for him, he might well
> not care whether or not he stayed on his good side. Seems like a
> pretty simple comcept.
>
>

and how am i rallying to stay on anyone's good side, Dan?  just wondering as 
i put cards on the table, as is, including the entire Catch-22 thing.

 Dan B does care.  that's why he brought the whole "Cary thing" into this 
thread.  at no point did i mention i work for Cary, nor does Cary's 
involvement have any relevance to this discussion whatsoever.  matter of 
fact, i've known and worked with/for Cary, man and boy, 26 years now.  Cary 
was my first PD in Portland, he was the VP/Programming for Sconnix when i 
was very unceremoniously dismissed by WHDH, and he is the GM of the group 
where i'm currently employed.  but at no point did i bring up Cary nor have 
i attempted to curry any favor, especially by mentioning the exact same 
right-to-match thing as being included in our company's personal employment 
agreements.

Dan B does care.  he's a radio guy who now has a license to practice law. 
as i told him through law school - a fabulous endeavor, by the way - to send 
us his report cards and i'd gladly put them on the 'fridge in our radio 
station's coffee area.  but he's a radio guy.  can't take that out of his 
blood.

and this is an interesting topic regarding contract law and ethics.   how 
would our certified baristers handle the situation ?  what would the advice 
be to a client?

would it be:  don't sign a contract that requires you to potentially be 
employed by someone forever?

                   don't sign a contract that requires you to be truthful 
and upfront at all times?

                   don't sign a contract?   and if so -

          enjoy working in some field other than radio as you'll never get a 
deal which allows you to perhaps persue or investigate greener pastures once 
the bloom is off the rose, so to speak?

- -Chuck Igo 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Oct 21 00:16:03 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:16:03 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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On 20 Oct 2007 at 10:59, Bob Nelson wrote:

> And the judge in the case is quoted as saying that Carr writes
> "hypercritical screeds in the Boston Herald, attacking essentially any
> public figure of his choice."
> 
> Sounds pretty impartial, eh? Boy, Judge van Gestel must be a big fan
> of Howie, eh...

Sounds like a pretty accurate description of Carr's column to me.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Sun Oct 21 01:22:40 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:22:40 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
[quoting Bob Nelson}
>> And the judge in the case is quoted as saying that Carr writes
>> "hypercritical screeds in the Boston Herald, attacking essentially any
>> public figure of his choice."
>> Sounds pretty impartial, eh? Boy, Judge van Gestel must be a big fan
>> of Howie, eh...

 to wit counselor Ross wrote:
> Sounds like a pretty accurate description of Carr's column to me.
>


and, fan or not, as is his first amendment right - no?  and in terming those 
free expressions as "attacks," does the truth hurt (in the judge's case)? 
just askin' as i'm not privvy to any animosity betwixt his honor and the 
scribe.

- - Chuck Igo


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Oct 21 01:44:36 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:44:36 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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The judge's language should have been a bit more "judicial" but it was 
pretty hypocritical for Carr, who loves to talk about what people make in 
his column or on the air, to ask for special treatment to keep his contract 
from public view.  I also suspect the judge was frustrated with the approach 
that the Carr side took to the case.

Also, someone who supports the First Amendment and the role of the press in 
holding our government accountable, would want the contract on the record so 
people could evaluate whether the court handled the matter correctly.



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sun Oct 21 01:49:06 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:49:06 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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Maybe your association with Cary has no impact on your opinion.  But it is 
worthy to include the connection in the discussion so people can judge for 
themselves.

On a related note:  Am I the only person who finds it weird that Pahagian 
represents Carr while managing a station that carries his station?  The 
potential conflicts are many.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Dan Billings" 
<billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>; 
"BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
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Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves


> Dan B does care.  that's why he brought the whole "Cary thing" into this 
> thread.  at no point did i mention i work for Cary, nor does Cary's 
> involvement have any relevance to this discussion whatsoever.  matter of 
> fact, i've known and worked with/for Cary, man and boy, 26 years now. 
> Cary was my first PD in Portland, he was the VP/Programming for Sconnix 
> when i was very unceremoniously dismissed by WHDH, and he is the GM of the 
> group where i'm currently employed.  but at no point did i bring up Cary 
> nor have i attempted to curry any favor, especially by mentioning the 
> exact same right-to-match thing as being included in our company's 
> personal employment agreements.


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 21:38:10 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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--- Chuck Igo <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> wrote:

>  Dan B does care.  that's why he brought the whole
> "Cary thing" into this 
> thread.  at no point did i mention i work for Cary,
> nor does Cary's 
> involvement have any relevance to this discussion
> whatsoever.  

Except that Carey has direct control over your future
employment.

And if you wrote/posted something that bothered
him...it just might affect your future.

So, one might understand that as background to your
postings.

I don't think Carey Pahigian can affect Dan Billings
future, like he can yours.




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From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 21:44:22 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
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--- Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net> wrote:

> The judge's language should have been a bit more
> "judicial" but it was 
> pretty hypocritical for Carr, who loves to talk
> about what people make in 
> his column or on the air, to ask for special
> treatment to keep his contract 
> from public view.  

1.) Is that considered 'special treatment'...or simply
a matter of privacy?  That everyone should be entitled
to.  If I took action against my employer...does that
mean all of my employment should become a matter of
public record?  (Is it anyone else's business?)

2.) Hypocritical?  There is a big difference between a
private citizen's compenssation from a private
business....than a civil servant being paid with
taxpayer finds.



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From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 02:52:48 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:52:48 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>
	<139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald A." <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>

> 
> Except that Carey has direct control over your future
> employment.
> 
> And if you wrote/posted something that bothered
> him...it just might affect your future.
> 
> So, one might understand that as background to your
> postings.
> 
> I don't think Carey Pahigian can affect Dan Billings
> future, like he can yours.
> 

but my response and views made no mention of anyone other than Howie 
and the contract things.  and as a subsequent post pondered, most 
current employment contracts contain exactly the same wording as that 
currently under court scrutiny.

Dan B made this a Cary thing - not me.

there have been occasions when i've spoken up specifically on Cary's 
behalf, and have done so with the previously acknowledged working 
relationships, both good and bad, fully disclosed.

read the words carefully before you feel the need to take me to the 
woodshed.

thanks

- - Chuck Igo

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 03:17:16 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:17:16 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family><139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>



> but my response and views made no mention of anyone other than Howie
> and the contract things.  and as a subsequent post pondered, most
> current employment contracts contain exactly the same wording as that
> currently under court scrutiny.
> Dan B made this a Cary thing - not me.

> read the words carefully before you feel the need to take me to the
> woodshed.

Nobody is taking you to the woodshed.  No one is saying anything you posted 
is bad, wrong, or anything....

Doesn't matter who made it a "thing"....

What matters is something that goes along with your posts...spoken or 
unspoken.

Carey Pahigian can put you on the street if you write something nasty...even 
if it is true.

I would guess Dan Billings could care less about what Carey Pahigian 
thinks....



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 23 11:14:19 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:14:19 -0500
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
Message-ID: <20071023151420.2060C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/23/wtkk-to-wrko-we-dont-understand-your-conduct/

Greater Media has released, according to the Herald's Messenger blog, a statement saying they support
Howie's appeal before the courts and they further say that they don't understand Entercom's conduct.
Greater says their employees are their "first and foremost obligation" and that "we cannot imagine a situation in which we would force a valued employee to work against his will rather than allow him to capitalize on a rare opportunity to take his career to the next level.?



From radiotony@comcast.net  Tue Oct 23 11:53:59 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony@comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:53:59 +0000
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
Message-ID: <102320071553.16928.471E19170009E0290000422022007589429702019B01070B0E9D@comcast.net>

Eh, I can understand it, it's called millions and millions of dollars in revenue lost. 

--
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Tony Schinella 

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/23/wtkk-to-wr
> ko-we-dont-understand-your-conduct/
> 
> Greater says their employees are their "first and foremost obligation" and that 
> "we cannot imagine a situation in which we would force a valued employee to work 
> against his will rather than allow him to capitalize on a rare opportunity to 
> take his career to the next level.?
> 
> 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 13:29:02 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:29:02 -0400
Subject: How WFEA fought the radio war
Message-ID: <013c01c8159a$3708f560$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>

 A long URL (cut/paste if neccessary..)....but a good article about WFEA.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=John+Clayton%3A+How+WFEA+fought+the+radio+war&articleId=067c335f-de33-4cef-974c-0662dc960106 


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 23 13:46:38 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:46:38 -0500
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
Message-ID: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://www.bostonradiowatch.com reminds us that only WRKO and WEEI (850 for games 1 and 6, Wednesdays) will be able to carry the Red Sox Radio Network coverage of the World Series. Otherwise it will be ESPN, with Miller and Morgan. This 
includes Worcester where WCRN had been doing the Sox up till now; WBOQ, WXTK, etc. No games for them. For some this will
mean tuning in to signals (perhaps not easily received) from Dedham, Lowell, Hartford,
NYC, etc.
Probably an MLB broadcast rule.

From francini@mac.com  Tue Oct 23 14:03:57 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:03:57 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <DE9D46DE-F218-486A-8070-5CC91CA57E6B@mac.com>

What about all the other WEEI outlets -- WEEI-FM 103.7, WVEI  
Worcester, WVEI-FM Springfield, WVEI-HD Springfield?

John
On 23 Oct 2007, at 13:46, Bob Nelson wrote:

> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com reminds us that only WRKO and WEEI  
> (850 for games 1 and 6, Wednesdays) will be able to carry the Red  
> Sox Radio Network coverage of the World Series. Otherwise it will  
> be ESPN, with Miller and Morgan. This
> includes Worcester where WCRN had been doing the Sox up till now;  
> WBOQ, WXTK, etc. No games for them. For some this will
> mean tuning in to signals (perhaps not easily received) from  
> Dedham, Lowell, Hartford,
> NYC, etc.
> Probably an MLB broadcast rule.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 14:08:06 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:08:06 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710231108l6d45c637m12ed4e7eb68e78e0@mail.gmail.com>

In 2004 the Red Sox Network stations outside of Boston were offered
the ESPN feed. WTIC ran the EEI pregame but as soon as ESPN went on
the air they switched.

In 1986 poor Ken Coleman and Joe were only heard on WPLM AM-FM as the
Boston outlet could not pick up the feed.

On 10/23/07, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com reminds us that only WRKO and WEEI (850 for
> games 1 and 6, Wednesdays) will be able to carry the Red Sox Radio Network
> coverage of the World Series. Otherwise it will be ESPN, with Miller and
> Morgan. This
> includes Worcester where WCRN had been doing the Sox up till now; WBOQ,
> WXTK, etc. No games for them. For some this will
> mean tuning in to signals (perhaps not easily received) from Dedham, Lowell,
> Hartford,
> NYC, etc.
> Probably an MLB broadcast rule.
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 23 14:29:06 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:29:06 -0500
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
Message-ID: <20071023182906.A500983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

I'm not sure--I thought it was strictly the 680 and 850 freqs etc.
WTIC's webpage says when World Series game 1 takes place but I didn't see anything
about "hear it here" (on the station of course, not the site)

btw as far as TV in concerned, I read that the Championship Series alternates
between Fox and TBS from year to year so if Sox make the ALCS again next
year you'll need cable (TBS) as Fox (broadcast) will do NLCS (can't remember
if I mentioned that)

From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 14:31:34 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:31:34 -0400
Subject: Fw: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
Message-ID: <003f01c815a2$f16a2610$0201a8c0@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
>
>> In 2004 the Red Sox Network stations outside of Boston were offered
>> the ESPN feed. WTIC ran the EEI pregame but as soon as ESPN went on
>> the air they switched.
>>
>> In 1986 poor Ken Coleman and Joe were only heard on WPLM AM-FM as the
>> Boston outlet could not pick up the feed.
>>
>
> Kevin,
>
>  having been one of the staff announcers at WHDH in 1986, we had to be 
> in-studio and got paid when the Sox were on the air to "listen and be 
> there," just in case of rain or some other such thing caused the game to 
> end prematurely.  that said - i was dispatched to Champions by Ed Bell to 
> be prepared to "go live" with Tom Larson (and even Jim Bohannon on Mutual) 
> as we closed in on that Saturday night game 6 victory.  the game was on 
> WHDH - with Ken & Joe - and WHDH even had Eddie live at Flushing Meadows 
> pre- and post-game.  the saddest sound i ever heard was Eddie's off-air 
> utterance, post-game (in cue).  that came AFTER i was told over the phone 
> to come on back from Champs as i'd be on-the-air shortly after Mr.Larson's 
> ever-with-me post mortem, which ended with  "...and so now going down in 
> Red Sox history is Bill Bleeping Buckner right next to Bucky Bleeping 
> Dent.  Tom Larson, WHDH Sports."
>
> - -Chuck Igo 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Oct 23 14:38:24 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:38:24 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710231108l6d45c637m12ed4e7eb68e78e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770710231108l6d45c637m12ed4e7eb68e78e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129f774e4a7b5269de86de3ebec14ac7@charter.net>

I can't see The Score in Providence being happy with that arrangement 
this time around, since they are the ESPN affiliate there and would 
have exclusivity over WEEI-FM.  Same thing goes for 870 in Portland, 
which would also have the Series to themselves.  I suppose the 
Worldwide Leader could pick and choose to which Red Sox Radio Network 
affiliates they would offer the broadcasts.
Since 890 is non-existant here in Worcester county at night, I'm hoping 
they allow WCRN to run the games.  If not, my best bet will be WEPN/New 
York.

I was just at the WEPN website, and it looks like they have a Rangers 
game scheduled for Thursday night.   It's possible that Game 1 will be 
on 1050 and Game 2 on 1560, which has a decent signal out here.

On Oct 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> In 2004 the Red Sox Network stations outside of Boston were offered
> the ESPN feed. WTIC ran the EEI pregame but as soon as ESPN went on
> the air they switched.
>
> In 1986 poor Ken Coleman and Joe were only heard on WPLM AM-FM as the
> Boston outlet could not pick up the feed.
>
> On 10/23/07, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com reminds us that only WRKO and WEEI 
>> (850 for
>> games 1 and 6, Wednesdays) will be able to carry the Red Sox Radio 
>> Network
>> coverage of the World Series. Otherwise it will be ESPN, with Miller 
>> and
>> Morgan. This
>> includes Worcester where WCRN had been doing the Sox up till now; 
>> WBOQ,
>> WXTK, etc. No games for them. For some this will
>> mean tuning in to signals (perhaps not easily received) from Dedham, 
>> Lowell,
>> Hartford,
>> NYC, etc.
>> Probably an MLB broadcast rule.
>>
>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 14:53:24 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:53:24 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <129f774e4a7b5269de86de3ebec14ac7@charter.net>
References: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770710231108l6d45c637m12ed4e7eb68e78e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<129f774e4a7b5269de86de3ebec14ac7@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710231153x6e549013we564db28c5f493c4@mail.gmail.com>

WEPN has been tossing baseball to Radio Disney at 1560 when there is a
Knicks, Rangers conflict

On 10/23/07, David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> I was just at the WEPN website, and it looks like they have a Rangers
> game scheduled for Thursday night.   It's possible that Game 1 will be
> on 1050 and Game 2 on 1560, which has a decent signal out here.

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Oct 23 15:03:13 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:03:13 -0400
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
In-Reply-To: <20071023151420.2060C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071023151420.2060C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <b003415055305848a48fe0fe7ed553ad@charter.net>

Greater Media wants some closure here.   They need to know whether  
Howie will be part of their long term plans or not.  WTKK's ratings are  
dropping like a stone with Crackers on in the morning and they need to  
get the ship righted.  If Howie is indeed stuck, GM can bring back Imus  
if need be, but that's the fallback plan.  They're simply trying to  
force Entercom's hand, but I don't think the suits at the sneaker  
building are budging on this one, at least not yet.  They were patient  
with the Dennis and Callahan situation, and eventually David Field got  
involved at crunch time.  I'd expect the same thing to happen here.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/23/ 
> wtkk-to-wrko-we-dont-understand-your-conduct/
>
> Greater Media has released, according to the Herald's Messenger blog,  
> a statement saying they support
> Howie's appeal before the courts and they further say that they don't  
> understand Entercom's conduct.
> Greater says their employees are their "first and foremost obligation"  
> and that "we cannot imagine a situation in which we would force a  
> valued employee to work against his will rather than allow him to  
> capitalize on a rare opportunity to take his career to the next  
> level.?
>
>


From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Tue Oct 23 15:47:26 2007
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:47:26 -0400
Subject: LL Bean & Mt Washington
Message-ID: <380-2200710223194726125@ix.netcom.com>

Lately ch7 / WHDH-TV has been airing an interesting ad, 
LL Bean winter gear, saying Mt Washington is their testing
site for their coats, etc;  showing a person shoveling snow, &
very brief views of transmitter tower  (FM? is ch6 tower down now?)
and  buildings.  Views are too quick to see much, but enuf to
get my curiosity.  
  check it out?

Bob Sutherland





From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Oct 23 12:54:17 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:54:17 -0500
Subject: WNSH-AM, New York?
Message-ID: <20071023165418.0785F1158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

This morning, (Tuesday, the 23rd) I was checking to see if WNSH-AM 1570 in Beverly was at
full-power yet. It doesn't appear to be, although it's stronger than it was in August.
By the way, what's happened to the Sun?  Two hours after sunrise, skywaves were all over the place
in the upper-end of the AM dial...even WTTT-AM 1150 was being hit with some interference.
I was even able to hear the first half-hour of the Stephanie Miller show 
on Buffalo's WWKB-AM 1520 right over WIZZ-AM in Greenfield, MA.
(Does WIZZ offer streaming audio?  Oh, wait a minute, Bill O'Neill already
used that line.  Here's my variation on it: does WHIZ-TV, Zanesville, OH offer streaming
video?) While I was trying to monitor WNSH, I heard a station ID for WFLR-AM in Dundee, NY.
Apparently the call letters refer to the Finger Lakes Region of NY. (Here's a
great slogan for the Finger Lakes Region's Chamber of Commerce: "Looking for
an ideal all-season vacation spot?  Ladies and Gentlemen, we give you the Finger Lakes")
But eventually, when the skywave subsided, I could pick up WNSH clearly for a while, and
then I heard something surprising...WNSH is having a SALE on ad rates!  Yes, in a little
while they're going to raise the charges for air time, but if you buy NOW, you can lock
in the current rates!  Wow...where did I hear about a station doing that lately?  Why,
WLTW-FM in New York City is doing exactly the same thing.  I think there, WLTW is
making this offer only for NYC-area advertisers, but I get the impression WNSH is 
holding the rates for local and national advertisers who place orders now.  
New York City...Beverly, Mass; trend-setters for the industry?



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From READ@hws.edu  Tue Oct 23 14:04:03 2007
From: READ@hws.edu (Read, Aaron)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:04:03 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
Message-ID: <57F0E9FFF628A34B9F9A96176819FA550188DF9E@bexs2.hws.edu>

Hey gang, I'm driving from Rochester, New York to Gaitherburg, Maryland
(just outside Washington DC) on Wednesday night, and back on Saturday
night.  Probably taking US Rt.15 for most of the journey...through
Corning/Elmira, Williamsport and Harrisburg.

As a loyal defender of Red Sox Nation, I need to plan out my World
Series listening!  The Series games are all after dark so skywave on
WTIC 1080 is a possibility, but I'd rather not rely on that alone.  Any
suggestions are welcome.

- Aaron

P.S. This'll be a rental car, so I have no idea how good the radio will
be.

P.P.S. Was I imagining things, or was WTIC slow on the draw when going
in/out of breaks during Game 7 of the ALCS?  Was it automated?

___________________________________________
Aaron Read  / WEOS 89.7FM General Manager
Hobart & William Smith Colleges
Geneva, NY 14456
read@hws.edu  315-781-3811 

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 16:20:09 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
In-Reply-To: <b003415055305848a48fe0fe7ed553ad@charter.net>
Message-ID: <803885.16659.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The difference with D&C was that their beef was more
financial than with working conditions. Entercom isn't
ready to show either Tom Finneran or Sox on WRKO the
door yet, and that's what it would take to make Howie
happy.

--- David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:

> Greater Media wants some closure here.   They need
> to know whether  
> Howie will be part of their long term plans or not. 
> WTKK's ratings are  
> dropping like a stone with Crackers on in the
> morning and they need to  
> get the ship righted.  If Howie is indeed stuck, GM
> can bring back Imus  
> if need be, but that's the fallback plan.  They're
> simply trying to  
> force Entercom's hand, but I don't think the suits
> at the sneaker  
> building are budging on this one, at least not yet. 
> They were patient  
> with the Dennis and Callahan situation, and
> eventually David Field got  
> involved at crunch time.  I'd expect the same thing
> to happen here.
> 
> Dave Tomm
> "Mike Thomas"
> 
> 
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Bob Nelson wrote:
> 
> >
>
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/23/
> 
> > wtkk-to-wrko-we-dont-understand-your-conduct/
> >
> > Greater Media has released, according to the
> Herald's Messenger blog,  
> > a statement saying they support
> > Howie's appeal before the courts and they further
> say that they don't  
> > understand Entercom's conduct.
> > Greater says their employees are their "first and
> foremost obligation"  
> > and that "we cannot imagine a situation in which
> we would force a  
> > valued employee to work against his will rather
> than allow him to  
> > capitalize on a rare opportunity to take his
> career to the next  
> > level.?
> >
> >
> 
> 


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From ecps92@earthlink.net  Tue Oct 23 16:43:55 2007
From: ecps92@earthlink.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:43:55 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
References: <57F0E9FFF628A34B9F9A96176819FA550188DF9E@bexs2.hws.edu>
Message-ID: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81>

ESPN Radio
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/news/story?page=2007mlbonespnradio

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/affiliatebyshow?show=M


Bill Dunn    N1KUG
Cruise Ship Frequencies
http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm
Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak
info at http://scancapecod.us/xoops/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=12

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Read, Aaron" <READ@hws.edu>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: World Series on DC trip


Hey gang, I'm driving from Rochester, New York to Gaitherburg, Maryland
(just outside Washington DC) on Wednesday night, and back on Saturday
night.  Probably taking US Rt.15 for most of the journey...through
Corning/Elmira, Williamsport and Harrisburg.

As a loyal defender of Red Sox Nation, I need to plan out my World
Series listening!  The Series games are all after dark so skywave on
WTIC 1080 is a possibility, but I'd rather not rely on that alone.  Any
suggestions are welcome.

- Aaron

P.S. This'll be a rental car, so I have no idea how good the radio will
be.

P.P.S. Was I imagining things, or was WTIC slow on the draw when going
in/out of breaks during Game 7 of the ALCS?  Was it automated?

___________________________________________
Aaron Read  / WEOS 89.7FM General Manager
Hobart & William Smith Colleges
Geneva, NY 14456
read@hws.edu  315-781-3811

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 17:20:20 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81>
Message-ID: <143073.97893.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

ESPN radio is also on Sirius (channel 120 IIRC)

--- Bill <ecps92@earthlink.net> wrote:

> ESPN Radio
>
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/news/story?page=2007mlbonespnradio
> 
>
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/affiliatebyshow?show=M
> 
> 
> Bill Dunn    N1KUG
> Cruise Ship Frequencies
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ecps92/cruise_ships.htm
> Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak
> info at
>
http://scancapecod.us/xoops/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=12
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Read, Aaron" <READ@hws.edu>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:04 PM
> Subject: World Series on DC trip
> 
> 
> Hey gang, I'm driving from Rochester, New York to
> Gaitherburg, Maryland
> (just outside Washington DC) on Wednesday night, and
> back on Saturday
> night.  Probably taking US Rt.15 for most of the
> journey...through
> Corning/Elmira, Williamsport and Harrisburg.
> 
> As a loyal defender of Red Sox Nation, I need to
> plan out my World
> Series listening!  The Series games are all after
> dark so skywave on
> WTIC 1080 is a possibility, but I'd rather not rely
> on that alone.  Any
> suggestions are welcome.
> 
> - Aaron
> 
> P.S. This'll be a rental car, so I have no idea how
> good the radio will
> be.
> 
> P.P.S. Was I imagining things, or was WTIC slow on
> the draw when going
> in/out of breaks during Game 7 of the ALCS?  Was it
> automated?
> 
> ___________________________________________
> Aaron Read  / WEOS 89.7FM General Manager
> Hobart & William Smith Colleges
> Geneva, NY 14456
> read@hws.edu  315-781-3811
> 


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From scott@fybush.com  Tue Oct 23 17:25:36 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:25:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <143073.97893.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81>
	<143073.97893.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40614.66.195.169.98.1193174736.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com>

> ESPN radio is also on Sirius (channel 120 IIRC)

Probably not with the play-by-play included, though - isn't that an
exclusive deal between MLB and XM?

We can guarantee that Aaron won't hear the, er, "Shaw's Red Sox Radio
Network" coverage on the road, since that will be WRKO-only (or WEEI-only
on Wednesdays) - so as long as it's just the national ESPN feed, the
better bet on this drive will probably be the big signals of ESPN's WMVP
1000 from Chicago or WEPN 1050 from NYC, or maybe WQEW if WEPN has a
hockey game taking priority.

s

From paul@derrynh.net  Tue Oct 23 17:45:13 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:45:13 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81>
Message-ID: <006301c815bd$febab3f0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Of course, they list WKXL Conocrd as an affiliate and they haven't carried
ESPN is years....

-Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH

PS: WGAM/WGHM has promo'd their Sox coverage, and I wonder if ESPN is
letting them carry the Series?

If I owned WTPL, I'd complain to ESPN..

-Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bill
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:44 PM
To: Read, Aaron; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: World Series on DC trip

ESPN Radio
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/news/story?page=2007mlbonespnradio

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/affiliatebyshow?show=M


Bill Dunn    N1KUG
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Now feeding USCG Sector Boston via Team Speak
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Read, Aaron" <READ@hws.edu>
To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: World Series on DC trip


Hey gang, I'm driving from Rochester, New York to Gaitherburg, Maryland
(just outside Washington DC) on Wednesday night, and back on Saturday
night.  Probably taking US Rt.15 for most of the journey...through
Corning/Elmira, Williamsport and Harrisburg.

As a loyal defender of Red Sox Nation, I need to plan out my World
Series listening!  The Series games are all after dark so skywave on
WTIC 1080 is a possibility, but I'd rather not rely on that alone.  Any
suggestions are welcome.

- Aaron

P.S. This'll be a rental car, so I have no idea how good the radio will
be.

P.P.S. Was I imagining things, or was WTIC slow on the draw when going
in/out of breaks during Game 7 of the ALCS?  Was it automated?

___________________________________________
Aaron Read  / WEOS 89.7FM General Manager
Hobart & William Smith Colleges
Geneva, NY 14456
read@hws.edu  315-781-3811


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 17:44:30 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:44:30 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <40614.66.195.169.98.1193174736.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com>
References: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81>
	<143073.97893.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<40614.66.195.169.98.1193174736.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710231444o3b39f6ces2f65200063ad274f@mail.gmail.com>

XM will offer ESPN and local Boston and Denver

On 10/23/07, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> > ESPN radio is also on Sirius (channel 120 IIRC)
>
> Probably not with the play-by-play included, though - isn't that an
> exclusive deal between MLB and XM?
>
> We can guarantee that Aaron won't hear the, er, "Shaw's Red Sox Radio
> Network" coverage on the road, since that will be WRKO-only (or WEEI-only
> on Wednesdays) - so as long as it's just the national ESPN feed, the
> better bet on this drive will probably be the big signals of ESPN's WMVP
> 1000 from Chicago or WEPN 1050 from NYC, or maybe WQEW if WEPN has a
> hockey game taking priority.
>
> s
>

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Tue Oct 23 17:48:50 2007
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:48:50 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <57F0E9FFF628A34B9F9A96176819FA550188DF9E@bexs2.hws.edu>
Message-ID: <000e01c815be$7fe51bf0$6800a8c0@lysthia>

Rent from Avis and get an XM radio.  Problem solved.

Brian Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
 
Office:  (978)538-7575
Fax:     (978)538-7550


> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Read, Aaron
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:04 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
> Subject: World Series on DC trip
> 
> 
> Hey gang, I'm driving from Rochester, New York to 
> Gaitherburg, Maryland (just outside Washington DC) on 
> Wednesday night, and back on Saturday night.  Probably taking 
> US Rt.15 for most of the journey...through Corning/Elmira, 
> Williamsport and Harrisburg.
> 
> As a loyal defender of Red Sox Nation, I need to plan out my 
> World Series listening!  The Series games are all after dark 
> so skywave on WTIC 1080 is a possibility, but I'd rather not 
> rely on that alone.  Any suggestions are welcome.
> 
> - Aaron
> 
> P.S. This'll be a rental car, so I have no idea how good the 
> radio will be.
> 
> P.P.S. Was I imagining things, or was WTIC slow on the draw 
> when going in/out of breaks during Game 7 of the ALCS?  Was 
> it automated?
> 
> ___________________________________________
> Aaron Read  / WEOS 89.7FM General Manager
> Hobart & William Smith Colleges
> Geneva, NY 14456
> read@hws.edu  315-781-3811 
> 
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From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 18:37:21 2007
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <006301c815bd$febab3f0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
Message-ID: <61237.18100.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
> PS: WGAM/WGHM has promo'd their Sox coverage, and I wonder if ESPN is
> letting them carry the Series?
> 
> If I owned WTPL, I'd complain to ESPN..

Why? WTPL, WGAM and WGHM all carried Sox games this year, all season
long, and co-existed nicely.

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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct 23 19:36:11 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:36:11 -0400
Subject: LL Bean & Mt Washington
In-Reply-To: <380-2200710223194726125@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-2200710223194726125@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <471E856B.7080408@ttlc.net>

Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
> Lately ch7 / WHDH-TV has been airing an interesting ad, 
> LL Bean winter gear, saying Mt Washington is their testing
> site for their coats, etc;  showing a person shoveling snow, &
> very brief views of transmitter tower  (FM? is ch6 tower down now?)
> and  buildings.  Views are too quick to see much, but enuf to
> get my curiosity.  
>   check it out?
>
> Bob Sutherland
>   
Wasn't Channel 8 (WMTW-TV) on Mt Washington?




From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Oct 23 20:19:23 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:19:23 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <239183.40672.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <239183.40672.qm@web55309.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1468F61B664540DA9A9F8160AE49CB8F@DanBillingsPC>

Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald A." <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Chuck Igo" 
<chuckigo@maine.rr.com>; "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>; "Bob 
Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
Cc: "bostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves


>Is that considered 'special treatment'...or simply
> a matter of privacy?  That everyone should be entitled
> to.  If I took action against my employer...does that
> mean all of my employment should become a matter of
> public record?  (Is it anyone else's business?)

Generally, the evidence presented in a civil case is part of the public 
record.  There are exceptions, but court proceedings are, for the most part, 
public proceedings.  If you sue your employer over your compensation, what 
you make and the terms of your employment will be a matter of public record 


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Oct 23 20:23:42 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:23:42 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family><139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com><c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>
	<01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "BRI" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves

> I would guess Dan Billings could care less about what Carey Pahigian 
> thinks....

I actually like Cary.  He always treated me well when I worked for him.

I did not intend to take Chuck to the woodshead.  I just think people should 
know he works for Carr's agent and weight that when reading Chuck's opinion. 
Most people who read this probably knew the connection, but some might not. 
If I did legal work for Entercom, and commented on the situation, I think 
people would want to know that connection.


From hykker@wildblue.net  Tue Oct 23 20:26:00 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:26:00 -0400
Subject: How WFEA fought the radio war
In-Reply-To: <013c01c8159a$3708f560$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
References: <013c01c8159a$3708f560$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <20071024002608.E5D364A3891@mail2.wildblue.net>


Interesting (if way too short) column.  WKBR must have come back 
fighting, since WFEA abandoned Top 40 for a couple years beginning in 
early '67.  I have a couple photocopies of WFEA surveys from that 
fall, and they seemed to pretty MOR.  They'd returned to battle 'KBR 
by late '68/early '69.
Interesting that out of 5 stations in Manchester in the late 60s 3 
were Top 40 (WFEA and WKBR AM-FM, with WGIR AM-FM being MOR).


Is this the same JC who worked at WLLH for many years?


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Tue Oct 23 20:25:06 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:25:06 -0400
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
In-Reply-To: <20071023151420.2060C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071023151420.2060C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <5E84E8FEE8734163AC482A8525EEEB69@DanBillingsPC>

What a riot.  Is Greater Media saying that they would let an employee under 
contract go to work for the competition?  I doubt it.




From hykker@wildblue.net  Tue Oct 23 20:36:34 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071023174638.6851183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>

  Bob Nelson wrote:

>Probably an MLB broadcast rule.


It is.  Same thing goes with football...only WBCN can carry Patriots 
games once they hit the playoffs.  Everybody else has to use CBS's coverage.

Dunno about hockey & basketball, but it's been so long since the 
Bruins or Celts have made the playoffs it's kind of moot.


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Tue Oct 23 20:40:57 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:40:57 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

I believe it's only the World Series and Super Bowl where only the flagship
can broadcast the games. WEEI-FM 103.7 and the rest of the network has been
broadcasting the playoff games up until this point.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of SteveOrdinetz
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:37 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
> 
>   Bob Nelson wrote:
> 
> >Probably an MLB broadcast rule.
> 
> 
> It is.  Same thing goes with football...only WBCN can carry Patriots
> games once they hit the playoffs.  Everybody else has to use CBS's
> coverage.
> 
> Dunno about hockey & basketball, but it's been so long since the
> Bruins or Celts have made the playoffs it's kind of moot.


From dillane@sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 21:42:00 2007
From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:42:00 -0400
Subject: LL Bean & Mt Washington
Message-ID: <008001c815df$2115db70$63419250$@net>

>saying Mt Washington is their testing site for their coats, etc;

I bet the ad doesn't look like this Mt Washington wx blooper. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgkZjOMTAMM


From markwats@comcast.net  Tue Oct 23 22:41:03 2007
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:41:03 -0400
Subject: How WFEA fought the radio war
References: <013c01c8159a$3708f560$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<20071024002608.E5D364A3891@mail2.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <002301c815e7$52786630$738d764c@Mark>

Steve Ordinetz wrote:

 > Is this the same JC who worked at WLLH for many years?

  Yes it is. JC was at WLLH from March 1966 to July 1990, hosting his oldies 
show on weekends, but did some weekday fill ins as well through the years.

Mark Watson 



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 00:34:09 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:34:09 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com>

Sportsflash is promoting Game 1 on WEEI AM and FM but do not mention either WVEI

On 10/23/07, Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> I believe it's only the World Series and Super Bowl where only the flagship
> can broadcast the games. WEEI-FM 103.7 and the rest of the network has been
> broadcasting the playoff games up until this point.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> > Of SteveOrdinetz
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:37 PM
> > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> > Subject: Re: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
> >
> >   Bob Nelson wrote:
> >
> > >Probably an MLB broadcast rule.
> >
> >
> > It is.  Same thing goes with football...only WBCN can carry Patriots
> > games once they hit the playoffs.  Everybody else has to use CBS's
> > coverage.
> >
> > Dunno about hockey & basketball, but it's been so long since the
> > Bruins or Celts have made the playoffs it's kind of moot.
>
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Oct 24 03:59:54 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:59:54 -0500
Subject: WNSH-AM, New York?
Message-ID: <20071024075955.12B4C49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

I also don't think WNSH is at full power yet.

1150 was indeed getting interference. As I drove to work just after 5 pm I was picking up some
decent reception of the likes of WPHT 1210 Philadelphia--and the AM 860 from Great Barrington
(on Rt 128 in Lynnfield!) It's not unusual for me to pick up WIZZ 1520 from Greenfield that time
of day. Also the AM 1100 from Long Island (later Cleveland's WTAM pops up there)



From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Wed Oct 24 05:28:40 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:28:40 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>
	<139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>
	<01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billings <billings@suscom-maine.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves
(snip)
> I did not intend to take Chuck to the woodshead.  I just think 
> people should 
> know he works for Carr's agent and weight that when reading 
> Chuck's opinion. 
> Most people who read this probably knew the connection, but some 
> might not. 
> If I did legal work for Entercom, and commented on the situation, 
> I think 
> people would want to know that connection.
> 


and one more time, counselor - read what i wrote!

i wrote it from a broadcaster's perspective, not the employee 
of "carr's agent."

i'm not all that concerned about the outcome of Howie's thing.  i'm 
more concerned about how this will affect ME and other broadcasters 
who have seen this "right to match" clause creep into contracts - a 
clause that seemingly is quite effective in acting as a no-compete 
without really being one, provided the potential former employer has a 
deep enough wallet and the desire (or vengefulness) to keep someone 
around who really doesn't want to be there. 

thanks.  now help me get this splinter out of my backside, willya?

- -Chuck Igo



From ewerme@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 08:14:12 2007
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:14:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <20071024121412.CD1BB5BC82@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>

> Wasn't Channel 8 (WMTW-TV) on Mt Washington?

It still is, AFAIK.  As is WHOM (High On Mt washington) and various
other systems.

WMTW used to have a permanent manned (and catted) presense at
the transmitter, but I think it's now unmanned.  Weather reports
with Marty stopped well before that.

BTW, the State of NH is laying a power cable along the cog railway
tracks to bring power to top of the rock pile.  Progress has been
very good and they may complete it in time for winter.  A few
years ago a major winter fire in the power station forced evacuation
of the mountaintop, including the weather observatory.  People were
able to get temporary generators in place for the rest of the
winter and spring.  That provided the impetus for the power line.

       -Ric Werme

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 08:23:25 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:23:25 -0400
Subject: WMTW
In-Reply-To: <20071024121412.CD1BB5BC82@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00dd01c81638$add05370$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

WMTW moved off of Mt Washington about 5 years ago, I think. They are now in
Maine, not far from WCSH-6. 94.9 WHOM and 103.7 WPKQ are still up there.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
> Of Ric Werme
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:14 AM
> To: Roger Kirk; madprof@ix.netcom.com
> Cc: BRI
> Subject:
> 
> > Wasn't Channel 8 (WMTW-TV) on Mt Washington?
> 
> It still is, AFAIK.  As is WHOM (High On Mt washington) and various
> other systems.
> 
> WMTW used to have a permanent manned (and catted) presense at
> the transmitter, but I think it's now unmanned.  Weather reports
> with Marty stopped well before that.
> 
> BTW, the State of NH is laying a power cable along the cog railway
> tracks to bring power to top of the rock pile.  Progress has been
> very good and they may complete it in time for winter.  A few
> years ago a major winter fire in the power station forced evacuation
> of the mountaintop, including the weather observatory.  People were
> able to get temporary generators in place for the rest of the
> winter and spring.  That provided the impetus for the power line.
> 
>        -Ric Werme


From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 24 09:40:24 2007
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:40:24 -0400
Subject: World Series on DC trip
References: <108601c815b5$7c51d220$6f01a8c0@D60NFN81><143073.97893.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
To: Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com>
Cc: Boston Radio Group <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: World Series on DC trip


> > ESPN radio is also on Sirius (channel 120 IIRC)
>
> Probably not with the play-by-play included, though - isn't that an
> exclusive deal between MLB and XM?
>

That's correct. ESPN Radio has an alternate talk feed that goes to XM and/or
Sirius during play-by-play that the other service has exclusive rights to or
to which neither service has rights.

Howard



From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 24 10:11:44 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:11:44 -0400
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: <20071024121412.CD1BB5BC82@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
References: <20071024121412.CD1BB5BC82@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <p06240800c34501fe3938@[192.168.0.100]>

At 8:14 AM -0400 10/24/07, Ric Werme wrote:

>  > Wasn't Channel 8 (WMTW-TV) on Mt Washington?
>
>It still is, AFAIK.

They moved off Mt. Washington several years ago, they now transmit 
from a tower near Lake Sabago.  They moved because the cost of 
maintaining the Mt. Washington facility was too much, and they wanted 
to put a stronger signal into their primary market area of Portland.

>   As is WHOM (High On Mt washington) and various
>other systems.

Yes, WHOM and WPKQ are still there.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From m_carney@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 10:14:22 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: World Series on DC trip
In-Reply-To: <002f01c81643$6ebf2660$88884c0c@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <13007.10655.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

As far as what service may be on the rental, it could
also depend on the model car. Right now I'm renting a
Mercury Milan, which has factory installed Sirius.

--- Howard Glazer <hmglaz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>
> To: Maureen Carney <m_carney@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Boston Radio Group
> <boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: World Series on DC trip
> 
> 
> > > ESPN radio is also on Sirius (channel 120 IIRC)
> >
> > Probably not with the play-by-play included,
> though - isn't that an
> > exclusive deal between MLB and XM?
> >
> 
> That's correct. ESPN Radio has an alternate talk
> feed that goes to XM and/or
> Sirius during play-by-play that the other service
> has exclusive rights to or
> to which neither service has rights.
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> 


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From rjoc04679@msn.com  Wed Oct 24 04:38:33 2007
From: rjoc04679@msn.com (Rod OConnor)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:38:33 -0400
Subject: LLBean and Mt. Washington
Message-ID: <BAY110-W9D68D573EA41D4564D27CED940@phx.gbl>


Speaking of Mount Washington
 
I recently made a trip up Mount Washington via the Cog Railroad. Work is nearing completion on a new power line from the RailRoad Base Station, alongside the track all the way up to the summit. According to  signs posted atop the 6300 foot peak, the project is being funded by the NH Dept. of Economic Development and The NH Emergency Management Agency (I don't recall the exact title). They indicated that the project should be complete by Fall 2007.
 
It's actually a very impressive endeavour. Bulldozers were still at work digging into the rock and completing laying the cable. 
 
It will be interesting to see if there will be further attempts by other broadcasters to use the summit, now that it will have more reliable power.  It will be interesting to see just how well everything works out with the final hookup. I am sure there will be some bugs to work out, again, considering the extreme conditions.
 
While up there, I  did notice the empty spot where the old WMTW Building once stood until the fire back in 2003(?) Just a concrete slab marks the spot now. It amazes me that both WHOM and WPKQ towers are built so solidly to withstand the winds and ice up there.
 
While up there the weather was quite pleasant 47 degrees,with a relatively light breeze of 15-20MPH. Visibility to north and west was about 100 miles, with good views into Vermont and Quebec. Unfortunately everything to the east was obscured by "undercast". Couldn't see Portland, Portsmouth or the coast.
 
Rod O'Connor
Southwest Harbor, Maine
 
_________________________________________________________________
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From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 13:21:45 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:21:45 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family><139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com><c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com><01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2><97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>
	<c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c81662$9ae4c870$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>

>>   I just think 
>> people should 
>> know he works for Carr's agent and weight that when reading 
>> Chuck's opinion. 
>> Most people who read this probably knew the connection, but some 
>> might not. 
>> If I did legal work for Entercom, and commented on the situation, 
>> I think 
>> people would want to know that connection.
>> 
> 
> 
> and one more time, counselor - read what i wrote!
> 
> i wrote it from a broadcaster's perspective, not the employee 
> of "carr's agent."

    ...but you ARE an employee of Carr's agent.

And that's a fact you can't avoid when you post.

OK...I'm done....


From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Wed Oct 24 13:33:58 2007
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:33:58 -0400
Subject: ReRe: LL Bean & Mt Washington
Message-ID: <380-2200710324173358515@ix.netcom.com>

I stand corrected, yes, ch8.... my mind is slipping????
& yes, WMTW-TV on Mt.Washington is history, due to range of HD.
(Larry Weil you are exactly correct)
Luckily they moved before the fire of  the Mt Washington facilities.

The blooper flv..... more stormy then the LL Bean ad.
Curious that this blooper was caught from ch3 WFSB Hartford!

Bob




From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Wed Oct 24 13:52:44 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:52:44 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>
	<139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>

>    ...but you ARE an employee of Carr's agent.
>
> And that's a fact you can't avoid when you post.
>
> OK...I'm done....


so does this one fact eliminate me from expressing concern about my own 
future?

if so - then i'm screwed, i guess.   or, to use your words: i'm done.  since 
the bulk of the talk around here concerns Carr, i guess i'm no longer 
allowed to post at all without being b*tch slapped by armchair radio 
wannabees.

take care



From me@billoneill.us  Wed Oct 24 14:14:49 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:14:49 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>	<139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>	<c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com>	<01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>	<97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>	<c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com>	<00b201c81662$9ae4c870$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <471F8B99.4060902@billoneill.us>

Chuck Igo wrote:
> so does this one fact eliminate me from expressing concern about my 
> own future?
>
> if so - then i'm screwed, i guess.   or, to use your words: i'm done.  
> since the bulk of the talk around here concerns Carr, i guess i'm no 
> longer allowed to post at all without being b*tch slapped by armchair 
> radio wannabees.
>
> take care

How odd is this? A respected man who has maintained a _lifelong_ 
commitment to the very trade that this list purports to admire is 
considered tainted by that commitment in some way. Ironically, industry 
gawkers (it's an ok word as I am currently one of them) purport to have 
pristine opinions and motives.  Go figure. 

Bill O'Neill

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:19:37 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:19:37 -0500
Subject: Signs Of WWZN-AM Budget Woes
Message-ID: <20071024171938.97FD91158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

I read on another site that WWZN-AM 1510, Boston, had moved its studio from 
a Burlington, Mass. office pahk to Quincy.  I assume it's to get out from under 
Route 128-area rents.  Thwen today, while I was tooling through AM's in the 1500+
range, I noticed that they no longer offer a toll-free number on their talk shows.
(The number begins 617-237-...., a Quincy exchange.)  Every dollar counts after you've
paid about $2-million for a station with a meager cash flow.


-- 
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Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com!


From wollman@bostonradio.org  Wed Oct 24 15:11:57 2007
From: wollman@bostonradio.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:11:57 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>
	<139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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	<000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <18207.39165.938039.878201@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:52:44 -0400, "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> said:

> so does this one fact eliminate me from expressing concern about my own 
> future?

Stepping in for a moment as moderator here...  I have an enormous
amount of respect for the pros on this list, Chuck included, and I
want people who have actual experience in the business to feel welcome
when they contribute.  So long as one is honest about a potential
conflict of interest, I see no reason why one should be repeatedly
criticized for offering an opinion on a matter one's boss (but not
employer) is involved in.  Or even a matter one's employer *is*
involved in, for that matter.

Let us all please assume the good faith of our fellow contributors.

Sincerely,
The Moderator

From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Wed Oct 24 15:52:06 2007
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:52:06 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <18207.39165.938039.878201@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000501c81677$5b78c5a0$6800a8c0@lysthia>

>  I have an 
> enormous amount of respect for the pros on this list, Chuck 
> included, 

Is that opposed to "I have an enormous amount of respect for the pros on
this list...and Chuck" 
:-)

Sorry Chuck - couldn't resist

Brian

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From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 24 16:04:02 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:04:02 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <18207.39165.938039.878201@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
	<18207.39165.938039.878201@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000c01c81679$0cc414d0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:12 PM
> To: Chuck Igo
> Cc: BRI
> Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves
> 
> <<On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:52:44 -0400, "Chuck Igo" 
> <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> said:
> 
> > so does this one fact eliminate me from expressing concern about my 
> > own future?
> 
> Stepping in for a moment as moderator here...  I have an 
> enormous amount of respect for the pros on this list, Chuck 
> included, and I want people who have actual experience in the 
> business to feel welcome when they contribute.  So long as 
> one is honest about a potential conflict of interest, I see 
> no reason why one should be repeatedly criticized for 
> offering an opinion on a matter one's boss (but not
> employer) is involved in.  Or even a matter one's employer 
> *is* involved in, for that matter.
> 
> Let us all please assume the good faith of our fellow contributors.

As an employee of channels 7/56, I am happy to discuss anything about the
stations that's public information.  Obviously, I should not post anything
that's propriatery on this or any public discussion.  Also, I will not post
anything that involves my opinions of my employers programming or practices,
nor publicly answer any questions concerning such opinions, as I like the
idea of uninterupted employment!

Others may have different approaches to discussing matters involving their
empoyeers, as is their right, but I prefer to be cautious in this regard.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 16:49:14 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:49:14 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
	<4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710241349kbd2296fkf163f860322ba55b@mail.gmail.com>

The WEEI website is saying the games will be on all 4 WEEI outlets

WCRN says they are running the game
http://mikerobertswebdesign.com/wcrn/

Likewise WXTK
http://www.95wxtk.com/

WZON Bangor
http://zoneradio.com/wzon/am620wzon.html

and is WJAB Portland and WLOB
http://www.thebigjab.com/

I am curious to see what feed WVEI runs tonight ( and WEEI-FM )

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Oct 24 17:24:11 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:24:11 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710241349kbd2296fkf163f860322ba55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
	<4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770710241349kbd2296fkf163f860322ba55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <414a8710f64cb8dc45f6ba1db72d3a1a@charter.net>

The sports flashes this afternoon on WEEI were promoting the game, but 
not "Joe and Glen" as they usually do so I would assume 103.7/Westerly, 
1440/Worcester and 105.5/Easthampton will run the ESPN feed.  They'll 
probably air the local pre and post game shows as usual but then cut 
away to ESPN for game play, just like in 2004.  I can't see how the 
fulltime ESPN affiliates in Providence, Hartford, New Haven and 
Portland can be happy with this arrangement.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Oct 24, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> The WEEI website is saying the games will be on all 4 WEEI outlets
>
> WCRN says they are running the game
> http://mikerobertswebdesign.com/wcrn/
>
> Likewise WXTK
> http://www.95wxtk.com/
>
> WZON Bangor
> http://zoneradio.com/wzon/am620wzon.html
>
> and is WJAB Portland and WLOB
> http://www.thebigjab.com/
>
> I am curious to see what feed WVEI runs tonight ( and WEEI-FM )
>


From Joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Oct 24 18:57:25 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:57:25 -0500
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
Message-ID: <471F8785.15816.F8AEF6@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 23 Oct 2007 Bob Nelson wrote:

> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/2
> 3/ wtkk-to-wrko-we-dont-understand-your-conduct/
> 
> Greater Media has released, according to the Herald's Messenger
> blog, a statement saying they support Howie's appeal before the
> courts and they further say that they don't understand Entercom's
> conduct. Greater says their employees are their "first and foremost
> obligation" and that "we cannot imagine a situation in which we
> would force a valued employee to work against his will rather than
> allow him to capitalize on a rare opportunity to take his career to
> the next level."

I don't know, but I think Howie Carr could accomplish a lot more by
going back on WRKO and doing things that will force Entercom to fire
him.  Then he'd be free to go to WTKK or wherever.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com




From francini@mac.com  Wed Oct 24 18:00:08 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:00:08 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <414a8710f64cb8dc45f6ba1db72d3a1a@charter.net>
References: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
	<4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770710241349kbd2296fkf163f860322ba55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<414a8710f64cb8dc45f6ba1db72d3a1a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <38013088-5CF3-43DD-B82B-1B589D8132A6@mac.com>

I received the following from "Mikey Adams" -- i.e., WEEI's  
promotions department:

<quote>
WEEI's World Series Coverage: Red Sox vs. Rockies

Tune in to WEEI tonight at 7:20PM for Game 1 of the 2007 World  
Series. Sports Radio 850 WEEI is your home for the most comprehensive  
coverage of the Red Sox - Rockies World Series match-up. This past  
week, WEEI had exclusive interviews with Red Sox Pitcher Curt  
Schilling and analyst Jerry Remy. This weekend, we're sending the  
Planet Mikey Show out to Colorado to cover the Sox at Coors Field.  
Click http://www.weei.com/pages/235671.php for the full WEEI Program  
Schedule. Finally, http://www.weei.com/index.php is the place to  
listen to all the Red Sox interviews and for a complete breakdown of  
the http://64.246.64.33/default.asp?c=weei&page=/mlb/news/ 
AAN4108892.htm!

Game 1 can also be heard on our WEEI Network Stations:
WEEI 103.7 FM in Providence, RI
WVEI 105.5 FM in Springfield, MA
WVEI 1440 AM in Worcester, MA
</quote>

I guess this may settle it, until the actual event in a couple of  
hours...

John


From MauOB@aol.com  Wed Oct 24 18:24:56 2007
From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:24:56 EDT
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
Message-ID: <d0a.1b761a5d.34512038@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/24/2007 5:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Joe@attorneyross.com writes:

I don't  know, but I think Howie Carr could accomplish a lot more by
going back on  WRKO and doing things that will force Entercom to fire
him.  Then he'd  be free to go to WTKK or wherever.





Yes, he could go get himself fired.  That would be taking the  low road, 
IMHO.  I think it is better to work through the legal system and  hope for some 
sort of settlement.  Of course, if that fails, the low road  is still an option. 
 WRKO must know that he could put on an awful show if  forced to return.  
 
   WRKO should work out some settlement ASAP.  Todd is  extremely boring and 
simply cannot carry the 
afternoon drive.  They need to find a replacement for Howie  soon.  Of 
course, they may not have anyone better waiting to take over the  slot.  
 
   On a bright note, _www.pandora.com_ (http://www.pandora.com)  has been a 
wonderful  alternative to talk radio!
 
Maureen



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From songbook2@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 19:02:21 2007
From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:02:21 -0700
Subject: WHOM
Message-ID: <471FCEFD.4030105@comcast.net>

The station ID for WHOM (after they changed from WMTW) I remember 
included the words "welcome home" or some such reference to being "your 
musical home on the dial."

Did TV personality Jack Parr own the FM as well as the TV? 
=Russ Butler  songbook2@comcast.net

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Oct 24 22:00:23 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:00:23 -0400
Subject: Correction Re: WHOM
Message-ID: <034e01c816aa$ceccf890$6501a8c0@pastor2>

The last phrase in my post of two minutes ago should read "Class act."  I
don't know why the last word got deleted when I sent it.


-Doug


From markwats@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 21:13:48 2007
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:13:48 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
References: <20071024003640.713F95658BC@mail3.wildblue.net><00ae01c815d6$8b67f610$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1><4fc429770710232134ree3f01wa093ae839de1547e@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770710241349kbd2296fkf163f860322ba55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<414a8710f64cb8dc45f6ba1db72d3a1a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c816a4$4cb83f50$738d764c@Mark>

  Dave Tomm wrote:

> I can't see how the fulltime ESPN affiliates in Providence,  Hartford, New 
> Haven and Portland can be happy with this arrangement.

   I'm guessing WAMG (890 Dedham) is carrying the ESPN World Series 
broadcast. I just tuned into WLLH (which simulcasts WAMG) and heard the ESPN 
feed there. Does Major League Baseball have any say as to whether the ESPN 
Radio feeds must be blacked out in Boston and Denver?

Mark Watson 



From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 21:25:53 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:25:53 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <004d01c816a4$4cb83f50$738d764c@Mark>
Message-ID: <005001c816a5$fd13b040$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

>    I'm guessing WAMG (890 Dedham) is carrying the ESPN World Series
> broadcast. I just tuned into WLLH (which simulcasts WAMG) and heard the
> ESPN
> feed there. Does Major League Baseball have any say as to whether the ESPN
> Radio feeds must be blacked out in Boston and Denver?

All of the normal WRKO/WEEI Red Sox Radio Network affiliates that I can hear
tonight (other than 850 itself) are airing the ESPN Radio broadcast. This
includes 550 WDEV, 830 WCRN, 1310 WLOB (which during the regular season,
only the FM carried the night games), 95.1 WXTK, 96.3 WLOB, 96.7 WQSO, 103.7
WEEI-FM, and 104.9 WBOQ.

Normal ESPN Radio affiliates, some of which are in the same markets as
stations I listed above, are also airing the game. 790/99.7 WSKO, 890 WAMG,
and 1270 WTSN are a few that I can confirm.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Oct 24 23:07:55 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:07:55 -0400
Subject: WHOM
Message-ID: <036701c816b4$3da35da0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

Here's the message that didn't get circulated to begin with.
-Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: "Russ Butler" <songbook2@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: WHOM


> Paar, of beloved memory, owned both WMTW-TV and WMTW-FM in the early- to
> mid-'60s.  By the time I got to Maine in 1976, WMTW-FM had been sold and
had
> been renamed WMTQ (? - don't ask me why).  It was WHOM by 1979 or
> thereabouts, and has gradually evolved from a beautiful music format to
> "light and easy" pop to light rock, without ever substantially changing
its
> "kinder, gentler" (to coin a phrase) sound.  Nice station, class act.
> .    -Doug
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russ Butler" <songbook2@comcast.net>
> To: <boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>; "Russ Butler"
> <songbook2@comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:02 PM
> Subject: WHOM
>
>
> > The station ID for WHOM (after they changed from WMTW) I remember
> > included the words "welcome home" or some such reference to being "your
> > musical home on the dial."
> >
> > Did TV personality Jack Parr own the FM as well as the TV?
> > =Russ Butler  songbook2@comcast.net
>


From rickkelly@gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 22:05:29 2007
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:05:29 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <005001c816a5$fd13b040$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <004d01c816a4$4cb83f50$738d764c@Mark>
	<005001c816a5$fd13b040$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <521b7fd10710241905w7a2396b3g8e53ccfb75279a39@mail.gmail.com>

WVEI-FM Easthampton, MA is indeed broadcasting the Castiglione/Geffner
broadcast.  So is WTIC-AM.

Rick Kelly
northeastairchecks.com
GO SOX!

From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Oct 24 22:09:00 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:09:00 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10710241905w7a2396b3g8e53ccfb75279a39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c816ac$02a876c0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

I'm listening to WTIC Hartford right now, and they are not broadcasting the
Castiglione/Geffner broadcast, they have the Morgan/Miller ESPN broadcast.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Kelly [mailto:rickkelly@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:05 PM
> To: Jeff Lehmann
> Cc: Mark Watson; David Tomm; Kevin Vahey; boston-radio-
> interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
> 
> WVEI-FM Easthampton, MA is indeed broadcasting the Castiglione/Geffner
> broadcast.  So is WTIC-AM.
> 
> Rick Kelly
> northeastairchecks.com
> GO SOX!


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 22:46:59 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:46:59 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <005001c816a5$fd13b040$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <004d01c816a4$4cb83f50$738d764c@Mark>
	<005001c816a5$fd13b040$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710241946s1b06ef40xd9f576b1b74430e8@mail.gmail.com>

EEI/RKO is feeding ESPN via bird but allowed to run New England spots on net.

On 10/24/07, Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >    I'm guessing WAMG (890 Dedham) is carrying the ESPN World Series
> > broadcast. I just tuned into WLLH (which simulcasts WAMG) and heard the
> > ESPN
> > feed there. Does Major League Baseball have any say as to whether the ESPN
> > Radio feeds must be blacked out in Boston and Denver?
>
> All of the normal WRKO/WEEI Red Sox Radio Network affiliates that I can hear
> tonight (other than 850 itself) are airing the ESPN Radio broadcast. This
> includes 550 WDEV, 830 WCRN, 1310 WLOB (which during the regular season,
> only the FM carried the night games), 95.1 WXTK, 96.3 WLOB, 96.7 WQSO, 103.7
> WEEI-FM, and 104.9 WBOQ.
>
> Normal ESPN Radio affiliates, some of which are in the same markets as
> stations I listed above, are also airing the game. 790/99.7 WSKO, 890 WAMG,
> and 1270 WTSN are a few that I can confirm.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>

From rickkelly@gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 23:26:56 2007
From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:26:56 -0400
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <005401c816ac$02a876c0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <521b7fd10710241905w7a2396b3g8e53ccfb75279a39@mail.gmail.com>
	<005401c816ac$02a876c0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <521b7fd10710242026u38498b56nab42be9c4c720489@mail.gmail.com>

I stand corrected.  It seems that that both stations were running the
PRE-GAME Castiglione/Geffner version, and then switched to ESPN.

-Rick Kelly

On 10/24/07, Jeff Lehmann <jjlehmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm listening to WTIC Hartford right now, and they are not broadcasting the
> Castiglione/Geffner broadcast, they have the Morgan/Miller ESPN broadcast.
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 25 00:34:30 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:34:30 -0500
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family>,
	<97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC>,
	<c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <471FD686.6663.3F51D6@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 24 Oct 2007 at 5:28, chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote:

> i'm not all that concerned about the outcome of Howie's thing.  i'm
> more concerned about how this will affect ME and other broadcasters
> who have seen this "right to match" clause creep into contracts - a
> clause that seemingly is quite effective in acting as a no-compete
> without really being one, provided the potential former employer has a
> deep enough wallet and the desire (or vengefulness) to keep someone
> around who really doesn't want to be there. 

Which is why whoever got the Legislature to pass a ban on noncompete 
clauses needs to get going again -- file an Amicus brief with the 
appellate courts in the Howie Carr case and, if that case doesn't go 
well, seek further legislation. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct 25 00:34:29 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:34:29 -0500
Subject: Greater Media statement supporting Howie's appeal
In-Reply-To: <d0a.1b761a5d.34512038@aol.com>
References: <d0a.1b761a5d.34512038@aol.com>
Message-ID: <471FD685.24976.3F5011@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 24 Oct 2007 at 18:24, MauOB@aol.com wrote:

> Yes, he could go get himself fired.  That would be taking the  low
> road, IMHO.  I think it is better to work through the legal system
> and hope for some sort of settlement.  Of course, if that fails,
> the low road  is still an option. WRKO must know that he could put
> on an awful show if  forced to return.  

But the legal system is, unfortunately, both slow and expensive.  
It's not always the best solution to a problem.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From billings@suscom-maine.net  Wed Oct 24 23:45:19 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:45:19 -0400
Subject: Carr's latest legal moves
In-Reply-To: <000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
References: <001401c81396$49d13a50$0201a8c0@Family><139673.13678.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com><c48cf4a84ac9.4ac9c48cf4a8@nyroc.rr.com><01c401c81544$c0b0c9b0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2><97E3A83531CA4C23AFE0791F535FB4BC@DanBillingsPC><c21ef79855eb.55ebc21ef798@nyroc.rr.com><00b201c81662$9ae4c870$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<000b01c81666$af4cf270$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <46C568B410F94C77937D69829945BF23@DanBillingsPC>

----Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Igo" <chuckigo@maine.rr.com>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
Cc: "BRI" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Carr's latest legal moves
 
> so does this one fact eliminate me from expressing concern about my own 
> future?

Certainly not.  Your conflict should simply be disclosed.  

From Paul.Hopfgarten@mclaneco.com  Wed Oct 24 22:16:08 2007
From: Paul.Hopfgarten@mclaneco.com (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:16:08 -0500
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10710241905w7a2396b3g8e53ccfb75279a39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16968B0BC0CC2D4CAF9BA2B0B252906D8EF7A3@mcemail04.mclane.mclaneco.com>

Now I'm REALLY confused?

WGAM/WGHM (1250 Manchester/900 Nashua) and WTPL (107.7 Hillsborough) and
WCRN (830 Worcester) are all carrying ESPN.

Why is WVEI-FM and WTIC allowed to carry the Boston feed, or are the
breaking MLB rules, or did they get special dispensation

Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of Rick Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:05 PM
To: Jeff Lehmann
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Kevin Vahey
Subject: Re: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series


WVEI-FM Easthampton, MA is indeed broadcasting the Castiglione/Geffner
broadcast.  So is WTIC-AM.

Rick Kelly
northeastairchecks.com
GO SOX!

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Oct 25 03:08:08 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:08:08 -0500
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
Message-ID: <20071025070808.7BAD383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>WVEI-FM Easthampton, MA is indeed broadcasting the Castiglione/Geffner
broadcast.  So is WTIC-AM.

That's odd; a woman from the Hartford area posted on Free Republic
that she was disappointed to tune in and hear ESPN rather than Joe C/
Geffner--am assuming she had tuned to WTIC.
I also have heard reports that WVEI-FM was carrying the ESPN version
not the Sox version.

have also heard that even the stations that were given ESPN
coverage did get the right to carry Red Sox pregame coverage.
Confused? You won't be after this episode of "Soap" entitled
"What Night Is This? I Don't Know What Station Has The Sox."

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Oct 25 03:09:15 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:09:15 -0500
Subject: Sox radio only on 'RKO and 'EEI for Series
Message-ID: <20071025070915.6652683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Ah, OK--that's what I thought must have happened...pre-game coverage via Sox network, then ESPN.
Ignore my last email/post...


>>I stand corrected.  It seems that that both stations were running the
PRE-GAME Castiglione/Geffner version, and then switched to ESPN.



From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 14:47:05 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:47:05 -0400
Subject: In honor of the Red Sox
Message-ID: <4fc429770710251147u63776724h62cebcad85c4e115@mail.gmail.com>

With the Red Sox in the World Series I would like to bring us back 40
years to a radio studio on Morrissey Blvd.

The one and only Jess Cain singing

http://staffannouncer.com/blog/audio/yazsong.mp3

Go Sox

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 16:38:46 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:38:46 -0400
Subject: RIP T Radio
Message-ID: <4fc429770710251338t5f5785cdib008fa65624728e2@mail.gmail.com>

After only 2 weeks the MBTA has silenced their in-house radio station.

It appears riders revolted against it in a big way

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/10/after_twoweek_t.html

From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Oct 26 00:18:35 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:18:35 -0500
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight
Message-ID: <4721244B.31166.492F69@joe.attorneyross.com>

Tonight there's a football game on WEEI, and the World Series is on 
WRKO.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From Paul.Hopfgarten@mclaneco.com  Thu Oct 25 23:26:46 2007
From: Paul.Hopfgarten@mclaneco.com (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:26:46 -0500
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight
In-Reply-To: <4721244B.31166.492F69@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <16968B0BC0CC2D4CAF9BA2B0B252906D8EF7AC@mcemail04.mclane.mclaneco.com>

I assume the "Wednesday" Rule is in effect, where only Wednesday Games
are on EEI (EG: Games 3,4,5 and 7 would be on RKO, Game 6, if necessary,
would be on EEI)

I think the BC game was not relevant to where the Sox were tonight.

PS: BC won 14-10....probably the biggest win in their history, yet no
one pays attention with the Sox in the series!

Paul Hopfgarten
Derry, NH 

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf
Of A. Joseph Ross
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:19 AM
To: BostonRadio Mailing List
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight


Tonight there's a football game on WEEI, and the World Series is on 
WRKO.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004
http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Oct 26 00:45:42 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:45:42 -0400
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight
In-Reply-To: <16968B0BC0CC2D4CAF9BA2B0B252906D8EF7AC@mcemail04.mclane.mclaneco.com>
References: <4721244B.31166.492F69@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<16968B0BC0CC2D4CAF9BA2B0B252906D8EF7AC@mcemail04.mclane.mclaneco.com>
Message-ID: <18209.28918.555189.171354@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:26:46 -0500, "Paul Hopfgarten" <Paul.Hopfgarten@mclaneco.com> said:

> PS: BC won 14-10....probably the biggest win in their history, yet no
> one pays attention with the Sox in the series!

The Joe and Tim Show did give it about fifteen seconds, after it went
final.  Apparently Fox was under the impression that people were
actually watching the BC game and needed to be welcomed to the World
Series broadcast.  (Perhaps that was true whereever the home town of
the other football team was.)

-GAWollman

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Oct 26 07:53:47 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:53:47 -0400
Subject: Howie: Major announcement?
Message-ID: <03ce01c817c6$de78a0b0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

The "Phantom Gourmet"'s weekly e-mail, which came this morning, says in big,
bold print that Howie Carr has a major announcement, which he plans to make
one of the Phantom's shows tomorrow.  Does anyone know what's going on?
--- Or does he plan just to tell us what his favorite eatery is?

-Doug


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Oct 26 12:17:39 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:17:39 -0500
Subject: Howie: Major announcement?
Message-ID: <20071026161739.DBE2683BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Yes for all we know the big announcement could be "I Like Fried Clams". But who knows!


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Oct 26 12:20:29 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:20:29 -0500
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight
Message-ID: <20071026162029.EC30F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

I actually went back and forth between the Sox game and the B.C. game (final 2 or 3 minutes) and got to see the
comeback. (Using the "Alt Channel" button on remote, to go back and forth from Fox 25 to ESPN)


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Oct 26 12:23:47 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:23:47 -0500
Subject: World Series not on WEEI tonight
Message-ID: <20071026162347.753DC83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

WRKO's site made it clear only games 1 and 6 are on WEEI--Wed. rule still in effect. Otherwise WRKO.
WEEI doesn't come in as well at my workplace though I did hook up a mini-boombox tuned to 850
(came in half decent) then used one of those mini-FM transmitters so my co-workers and I could
hear it on our personal radios. When the game is on WRKO there is no such problem.

Evidently it was a lot more important that WRKO not pre-empt Michael Savage on Wed. night. Far be
it for the alleged flagship station of the Sox radio network to actually run game 1 (or game 6)
of the World Series. (for the record, opening day and home opener were on BOTH stations)

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 12:29:15 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:29:15 -0400
Subject: Howie: Major announcement?
In-Reply-To: <20071026161739.DBE2683BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071026161739.DBE2683BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710260929h66ab3b85o3ded27e1d6d6863b@mail.gmail.com>

full page ad in the Herald as well about this "anouncement"

Maybe Howie will have a TV show on TV 38?

On 10/26/07, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> Yes for all we know the big announcement could be "I Like Fried Clams". But
> who knows!
>
>

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:13:44 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:13:44 -0500
Subject: Howie: Major announcement?
Message-ID: <20071026181344.3F8E549B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Maybe Howie will have a TV show on TV 38?

That would be interesting! He used to do commentary on Chs. 2, 7, and 56. And for that
matter, his predecessor at WRKO, Jerry Williams, did TV for Chs. 25 and 27 IIRC.

Note that the Herald ad mentions the Ch 38 show only, not the WTKK radio version.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:19:10 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:19:10 -0400
Subject: Howie: Major announcement?
In-Reply-To: <20071026181344.3F8E549B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071026181344.3F8E549B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710261119n22ef1a35g67251b2643fd0dbd@mail.gmail.com>

Leads me to believe the ad was paid for by CBS.

Something is up

On 10/26/07, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> >>Maybe Howie will have a TV show on TV 38?
>
> That would be interesting! He used to do commentary on Chs. 2, 7, and 56.
> And for that
> matter, his predecessor at WRKO, Jerry Williams, did TV for Chs. 25 and 27
> IIRC.
>
> Note that the Herald ad mentions the Ch 38 show only, not the WTKK radio
> version.
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:23:40 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:23:40 -0400
Subject: Mike Adams has a website
Message-ID: <4fc429770710261123s1778de53vd1853fc0d007d045@mail.gmail.com>

Mike Adams just launched his own website and it is not paid for by Entercom.

http://mikeyadams.com/

I have a feeling he didn't know his info would be a public record

From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 13:17:14 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:17:14 -0400
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
Message-ID: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>

CBS is blowing up WCKG in Chicago and today it has come out that long
time Chicago announcer Steve Dahl will move to JACK-FM

It appears WCKG will go Spanish.

Question I pose to the list is...could or should CBS do the same thing
in Boston?

Could the Boston market support a full time Spanish station?

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Fri Oct 26 17:37:42 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:37:42 -0400
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>

Dahl moving to Jack is being done by necessity.  He has a huge contract 
with CBS.  Right now WOJO in that market is Spanish and is the third 
ranked station overall in the 12+ ratings.  There is an opportunity in 
Chicago for another Spanish station.  WCKG will fill that hole, and CBS 
has no other signal in that market that could take Dahl's show.

Chicago has a much larger Hispanic population than Boston, almost 18% 
of the metro in market three.   Boston has maybe half that percentage 
in a smaller market.  Looking at the CBS/Boston stations, who would you 
sacrifice?  WBCN, WZLX, WBMX or WODS?  None of them are really 
struggling.  WBCN & WZLX will benefit once Arbitron flips Boston to the 
PPM next year.  WBMX bills extremely well despite it's mediocre 12+ 
numbers.  That leaves WODS, which has done OK for itself despite 
revenues lagging behind their ratings and a growing 55+ demographic.  
They would be the likely candidate for a flip, but I doubt that a 
Tropical format would pull in enough ratings or revenue to surpass what 
Oldies 103.3 is doing right now.  So the long answer is no, it won't 
happen here.  In a few more years there might be enough Hispanics in 
this market to support an FM Spanish station, but not right now.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Oct 26, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> CBS is blowing up WCKG in Chicago and today it has come out that long
> time Chicago announcer Steve Dahl will move to JACK-FM
>
> It appears WCKG will go Spanish.
>
> Question I pose to the list is...could or should CBS do the same thing
> in Boston?
>
> Could the Boston market support a full time Spanish station?
>


From me@billoneill.us  Fri Oct 26 20:36:10 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:36:10 -0400
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
In-Reply-To: <4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>
References: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>
Message-ID: <472287FA.4050706@billoneill.us>

David Tomm wrote:
> So the long answer is no, it won't happen here.  In a few more years 
> there might be enough Hispanics in this market to support an FM 
> Spanish station, but not right now.

As the Hispanic population further integrates (generation-wise) will the 
demand for Spanish-language radio be as much in demand? Music, yes, but 
language?  Just a thought. I know this was brought up here a few years 
ago and generated some interesting feedback.

Bill O'Neill


From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Oct 26 21:49:36 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:49:36 -0400
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
In-Reply-To: <472287FA.4050706@billoneill.us>
References: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>
	<472287FA.4050706@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <18210.39216.108855.839867@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:36:10 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us> said:

> As the Hispanic population further integrates (generation-wise) will the 
> demand for Spanish-language radio be as much in demand? Music, yes, but 
> language?  Just a thought. I know this was brought up here a few years 
> ago and generated some interesting feedback.

The jury is still out on that one.  The Brazilian (I believe) family
next door to me named their youngest child "Matthew", and at five his
English sounds much like the other five-year-olds' in the
neighborhood.  On the other hand, Brazilians are not Hispanics, so
that doesn't really answer your question.

There have certainly been notably successful stations running a
bilingual English-Spanish format, with mix-and-match music and jock
patter in whatever language comes out first.

The big question is, to what extent will Spanish speakers going
forward follow the pattern of previous generations, in which the
"native" language is usually lost by the third generation.  (Leaving
aside, if you will the political question of whether you think this is
good or not.)  This was true of nearly all non-English-speaking
communities over the past century, even among internal migrants; my
mother's parents deliberately stopped speaking French at home when
they moved from Maine to Connecticut because they thought using
English at home would help their children fit in better with the
Italians and the Poles in their new home town.  But today, with many
more media choices and far more goods and services intended for
Spanish-speakers, there may be less social pressure to conform to the
majority language.

-GAWollman

From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Oct 26 22:02:10 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:02:10 -0400
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
In-Reply-To: <4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>
References: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net>
Message-ID: <200710270202.l9R22B9k007158@mac.com>

At 05:37 PM 10/26/2007, David Tomm wrote:

>Chicago has a much larger Hispanic population than Boston, almost 
>18% of the metro in market three.   Boston has maybe half that 
>percentage in a smaller market.  Looking at the CBS/Boston stations, 
>who would you sacrifice?  WBCN, WZLX, WBMX or WODS?  None of them 
>are really struggling.  WBCN & WZLX will benefit once Arbitron flips 
>Boston to the PPM next year.  WBMX bills extremely well despite it's 
>mediocre 12+ numbers.  That leaves WODS, which has done OK for 
>itself despite revenues lagging behind their ratings and a growing 
>55+ demographic.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Latino format showed up on an HD 
subchannel, now that it's legal for them to have commercials..


Larry Weil
Temporarily in Lake Wobegone , SC
Wobegone is a state of mind! 


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Oct 27 10:23:55 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:23:55 -0500
Subject: Howie's big announcement was...food related.
Message-ID: <20071027142355.EEAB749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Howie Carr was indeed on Phantom Gourmet today...the "big announcement" was Howie talking about restaurants with BIG portions (Common Man;
Luigi's in Wayland; Michael's Deli in Brookline--sandwich named after Howie

Dan Andelman: "Where you been Howie?"

Howie: "I've escaped!"

...and that was it! Howie just doing a guest shot on
"The VIP Table" (he also recommends Bickford's for
breakfast: "YOU'RE GOING TO BICKFORDS!" he would proudly
say after giving out gift certificates. Howie says he
hopes to be back on the air soon...)

And that was the BIG announcement. Guess we were suckered... :)

From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Oct 27 11:59:36 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:59:36 -0400
Subject: Nassua announces Stations to carry 'EEI
In-Reply-To: <20071027142355.EEAB749B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <001901c818b2$5fde5230$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

>From the Nassau Broadcasting Website:
(Also reported in 10/27 Laconia(NH) Daile Sun):

NASSAU BROADCASTING BRINGS A CHAMPIONSHIP TO NEW HAMPSHIRE

Nassau Broadcasting has reached a decision regarding which New Hampshire
stations will carry WEEI sports programming. Management announced today that
WWHQ-FM, and WWHK-FM, currently known as "102.3 and 101.5 The Hawk" Classic
Rock, will change to the much anticipated sports programming in January
2008. 

" Listeners and Advertisers have been eagerly awaiting this news for some
time, and sports fans have been enthusiastic and supportive since
discussions began," said Robert Fulmer, New Hampshire's Regional Manager for
Nassau Broadcasting. "Everyone is really excited to finally have this format
in the market." 

WEEI Sports Radio is the nation's leading sports talk radio station,
delivering quality sports content for millions of active fans. Focused on
Boston's professional sports teams, WEEI is the radio home of successful
talk shows featuring interviews from your favorite New England sports teams.
Now, New Hampshire's sports thirsty listeners will have compelling and
comprehensive coverage of the Boston Red Sox, Boston Celtics, Boston Bruins
and New England Patriots for the first time. 

In addition to this change, WNNH 99.1 FM and WLKZ 104.9 FM, known as "Oldies
99 and 104.9" will transition to programming which will accommodate both
Classic Rock and Oldies Listeners. The stations will be re-branded as "99.1
FRANK FM" and "104.9 FRANK FM," with Sarah Sullivan as Program Director, AJ
Dukette as Operations Manager and featuring Pat Kelly as the host of the new
morning show.

(Press release as posted on Nassau Broadcasting Web Site 10/26/07)

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 13:41:37 2007
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nassua announces Stations to carry 'EEI
In-Reply-To: <001901c818b2$5fde5230$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
Message-ID: <121646.83591.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Neither one of these stations seem to serve Nashua/Manchester well --
or do they?

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From paul@derrynh.net  Sat Oct 27 16:25:17 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:25:17 -0400
Subject: Nassua announces Stations to carry 'EEI
In-Reply-To: <121646.83591.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c818d7$7d44b830$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

102.3 makes it to Manchester pretty well, but I don't know about Nashua..

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:42 PM
To: paul@derrynh.net; 'BostonRadio Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Nassua announces Stations to carry 'EEI

Neither one of these stations seem to serve Nashua/Manchester well --
or do they?

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From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Oct 27 14:59:52 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:59:52 -0500
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
Message-ID: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>

A few days ago, the FCC Applications list included a request that the call letters and facilities
of WPEP-AM, Taunton, be deleted.  As of this morning, if you attempt to call up WPEP on fcc.gov,
there is no information.  They were licensed to operate with 225 watts or so after sunset;
with WPEP gone, could WNSH up its nightime authorization to more than 85 watts?


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From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Oct 27 19:38:19 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:38:19 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:59:52 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com> said:

> As of this morning, if you attempt to call up WPEP on fcc.gov, there
> is no information.

FCC practice is to change deleted call signs by prepending a "D".
There is still a limited period in which an applicant can petition to
rescind the deletion, so they must keep the records around for some
time; in practice, deleted stations' records are never deleted from
CDBS (although the "Foo Query" programs are written to exclude them).
If you do a CDBS application search for "DWPEP" you can see a
poor-quality PDF of the station's original license, from back in 1950.

-GAWollman

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Oct 27 21:47:46 2007
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:47:46 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
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At 07:38 PM 10/27/2007, Garrett Wollman wrote:
><<On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:59:52 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" 
><lglavin@mail.com> said:
>
> > As of this morning, if you attempt to call up WPEP on fcc.gov, there
> > is no information.

Wow, that's a call letter which has been around for a while.  Could 
somebody buy the station and put it back on the air, or has that ship 
sailed already?  


From scott@fybush.com  Sat Oct 27 23:52:26 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:52:26 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>	<18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>

Donna Halper wrote:

> Wow, that's a call letter which has been around for a while.  Could 
> somebody buy the station and put it back on the air, or has that ship 
> sailed already? 

That ship has sailed. WPEP was silenced to make way for Keating 
Willcox's daytime power increase to 30 kW at WNSH.

But to answer another question, the disappearance of WPEP's nighttime 
200-some watts doesn't do anything for WNSH at night. That's because 
WPEP was a class D station, which received no nighttime interference 
protection to begin with, thus creating no holes at night by going away.

And even if WNSH didn't implement its power increase, there's no way to 
get the WPEP facility back once it's been surrendered - they don't issue 
new class D licenses now, and when they're gone, they're gone.

s


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Oct 28 00:03:13 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:03:13 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c81917$76d609a0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

> But to answer another question, the disappearance of WPEP's nighttime
> 200-some watts doesn't do anything for WNSH at night. That's because
> WPEP was a class D station, which received no nighttime interference
> protection to begin with, thus creating no holes at night by going away.
> 
> And even if WNSH didn't implement its power increase, there's no way to
> get the WPEP facility back once it's been surrendered - they don't issue
> new class D licenses now, and when they're gone, they're gone.

I wonder if 1530 WVBF Middleboro will now consider changing their calls to
WPEP now that 1570 is gone? When I tuned by 1530 this morning, they seemed
to have local shows on, probably formerly on 1570. I'll have to listen
during the week to see if any more of the TIC network shows have been
replaced.

I'd think the WPEP calls would mean more to local AM radio listeners in the
Middleboro/Taunton area than WVBF.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Oct 28 01:39:37 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:39:37 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
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<<On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:52:26 -0400, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> said:

> And even if WNSH didn't implement its power increase, there's no way to 
> get the WPEP facility back once it's been surrendered - they don't issue 
> new class D licenses now, and when they're gone, they're gone.

That's not entirely true.  You can't get a license for a new class-D
facility, yes, but a class-B station can voluntarily surrender its
nighttime authority and thereby become a class-D.  This has happened
with some frequency (and indeed Alex Langer did it to my neighbors at
1060 in Natick) in the recent past as marginal class-B stations have
found the land for a nighttime DA to be worth more than the night
signal.

(Something just occurred to me....  It should be technically possible
to triplex 1510 onto the 890/1060 site in Ashland, with a community
change to, say, Needham.  Would that actually be an improvement over
the current 1510 night signal?  They obviously couldn't open up the
pattern much if any, but they could put more of the western suburbs on
the front side rather than the back.  How much would they lose?
[There is the problem that those towers are nearly 300 degrees at
1510.])

-GAWollman

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 28 02:29:13 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:29:13 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>	<18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <001401c8192b$dd713090$a7efa644@SatU205S5044>

It's not often that one can catch the nearly infallible Scott Fybush
in an error, but this appears to be one of those rare instances. Scott
was probably misled by WPEP's running less than 250W at night. With
that power and even a normally efficient quarter-wave antenna, WPEP
would have remained a Class D. HOWEVER, WPEP's antenna was a)somewhat
more than quarter wave and b)more than normally efficient. As a
result, WPEP's night RMS of ~169 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, was well in excess of
the 141.85 mV/m/kW that was required for it to qualify as a Class B,
and according to CDBS (as reflected in Bob Carpenter's AMSTNS program)
WPEP was indeed a Class B.

As for WNSH becoming a Class B or even just modestly increasing its
night power from 85W, it may happen, but I'm skeptical about the
likelihood. The reason is WNSH's incredibly low antenna efficiency.
The low efficiency is a consequence of the very short (albeit
top-loaded) tower AND perhaps the worst ground system in the US.
Because the tower is built on solid rock, it was (as described in
WNSH's application for the daytime power increase) impossible to bury
the ground radials. They lie atop the rock, which is very close to an
ideal insulator. This situation results in an efficiency of 57.41 mV/m
@ 1kW, which is equivalent to 41.5W from a minimally efficient Class B
or D radiator. Because of the low efficiency, WNSH required a waiver
for its antenna, which the FCC granted because of the unavailability
of an alternative site.

Don't be confused by CDBS's listing of an 85W ND-N RMS greater than
57.41 mV/m @ 1 km to go with the 30-kW ND-D operation. I believe the
correct number _IS_ 57.41, which is the value given for the
(identical) old 85W ND-N operation that went with the old 500W-D. The
higher RMS of 86.53 mV/m @ 1 km appears to be incorrect. If it were
correct, it would imply that WNSH's antenna efficiency was 297 mV/m/kW
@ 1 km, which, I believe, is the value that goes with the top-loaded
tower's 66-degree electrical height. That efficiency assumes a
standard ground system and WNSH's application for increased day power
admitted that the station's ground system failed to meet FCC
requirements by more than a little bit.

Why all this discussion of the REAL antenna efficiency? Because if the
signal does not propagate in the ground plane, it has to go somewhere
and that somewhere is up. WNSH must limit its nighttime power mainly
to protect co-channel CFAV in Laval QC (Montreal). Because of the
relatively short distance between Beverly and Laval, high-angle
skywave is critical for this protection. Using just 85W, WNSH radiates
a high-angle skywave that is about the same as that for which WPEP's
more efficient (in the horizintal plane) antenna needed 225W. The
alternative would be to install a DA to protect Laval, but Keating has
been through that already (he already built a night DA for WNSH at the
Endicott College site and gave up on it). In any event, a DA that
protected Laval would do nothing for WNSH's coverage over land; the
signal maximum would lie to the south--over open water.

Now, if WPEP's demise removes a contributor to the RSS of 10% skywaves
that contribute to CFAV's NIF (nighttime interference-free) signal
level, there MAY be room for WNSH to get a small night power increase,
but don't count on it. The ratchet rule could well prevent such a
change.

The technically correct approach would be for WNSH to diplex with
WESX, whose tall tower could either be physically shortened to ~190
degrees at 1570 or skirted at the top to reduce its electrical height.
WESX could get back its lost coverage by increasing its
power--although WESX nominally runs 1 kW, it in fact runs only a
little more than 600W to protect WBUR (AM) on Cape Cod. With the
higher efficiency of the WESX tower, it appears that, from the WESX
site, WNSH could duplicate its 30-kW ND-D coverage with less than 10
kW and could likely get a significant increase in night power--perhaps
enough to qualify as a Class B (like WPEP was). The problem with this
approach is that it would require the WESX tower to remain standing
and that would run afoul of the late Otto Miller's (recently deceased
owner of WESX) plan to donate the WESX site to the Town of Marblehead.
If that plan should come a cropper (as it may), WNSH would appear to
be making a huge mistake by remaining at the Endicott College site.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct


> Donna Halper wrote:
>
>> Wow, that's a call letter which has been around for a while.  Could
>> somebody buy the station and put it back on the air, or has that
>> ship sailed already?
>
> That ship has sailed. WPEP was silenced to make way for Keating
> Willcox's daytime power increase to 30 kW at WNSH.
>
> But to answer another question, the disappearance of WPEP's
> nighttime 200-some watts doesn't do anything for WNSH at night.
> That's because WPEP was a class D station, which received no
> nighttime interference protection to begin with, thus creating no
> holes at night by going away.
>
> And even if WNSH didn't implement its power increase, there's no way
> to get the WPEP facility back once it's been surrendered - they
> don't issue new class D licenses now, and when they're gone, they're
> gone.
>
> s
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 28 02:47:10 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:47:10 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com><18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
	<18212.8345.75750.987699@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01c8192e$5f2ddb90$a7efa644@SatU205S5044>

Nope; the towers are too tall--by a LOT: 292.74 degrees at 1510. When
all of the nonsense was going on regarding WKOX's move to Newton, I
kept thinking of Sewell St as the ideal location for WKOX, but there
is no PRACTICAL way to keep the towers tall at 890 and 1060 (which
BOTH need half-wave towers to minimize high-angle skywave--in 1060's
case to protect KYW; in 890's to protect WCBS), yet shorten them to
less than 225 degrees (ideally to about 200 degrees) at a higher
frequency. An example of an attempt to shorten a tall tower at a
higher frquency while keepimg it tall at a lower frequency was the
original design of the WFAN/WCBS tower in the Bronx. The original
design used the top part as a top load at 660 and attempted to
electrically remove that part at 880. Ultimately, the tower was
converted to a conventional series-fed radiator at both frequencies.
The tower is relatively short for a Class A on 660 but it meets the
Class A minimum-efficiency requirements thanks to the salt-water
ground. At 880, the tower is 207 degrres, which is a tad high for
optimim high-angle skywave but is nevertheless OK.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct


>
> (Something just occurred to me....  It should be technically
> possible
> to triplex 1510 onto the 890/1060 site in Ashland, with a community
> change to, say, Needham.  Would that actually be an improvement over
> the current 1510 night signal?  They obviously couldn't open up the
> pattern much if any, but they could put more of the western suburbs
> on
> the front side rather than the back.  How much would they lose?
> [There is the problem that those towers are nearly 300 degrees at
> 1510.])
>
> -GAWollman


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Oct 28 11:32:36 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:32:36 -0400
Subject: TYPO--Correction to--It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
Message-ID: <001c01c81977$c6534e10$2deca644@SatU205S5044>

Early this morning, I wrote:
> This situation results in an efficiency of 57.41 mV/m @ 1kW, which 
> is equivalent to 41.5W from a minimally efficient Class B or D 
> radiator.

That SHOULD read:
57.41 mV/m @ 1km

Sorry.

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367


From rcarpen1@verizon.net  Sun Oct 28 07:39:49 2007
From: rcarpen1@verizon.net (r j carpenter)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:39:49 -0400
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
In-Reply-To: <001401c8192b$dd713090$a7efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071027185952.51BC51BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
	<18211.52203.268773.573783@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20071028014806.0158C1B4042@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<4724077A.8020808@fybush.com>
	<001401c8192b$dd713090$a7efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <47247505.7030107@verizon.net>

Dan.Strassberg wrote:
 >
 > The reason is WNSH's incredibly low antenna efficiency.
 > The low efficiency is a consequence of the very short (albeit
 > top-loaded) tower AND perhaps the worst ground system in the US.
 > Because the tower is built on solid rock, it was (as described in
 > WNSH's application for the daytime power increase) impossible to bury
 > the ground radials. They lie atop the rock, which is very close to an
 > ideal insulator. This situation results in an efficiency of 57.41 mV/m
 > @ 1kW,

Question:
Wouldn't an elevated ground system give WNSH better results? Is it just 
an Old Wife's Tale that eight elevated ground wires, a counterpoise if 
you will, may come close to the 120-wire buried ground at a good site? 
Of course the granite soil beyond the ground system will still result in 
lower efficiency at WNSH, but wouldn't that be true at Marblehead as 
well - until one reached the salt water?

BTW, the FCC is again updating CDBS data and Larry uploaded new data for 
AMSTNS and TVFMSTNS yesterday. CDBS data had been stuck on October 11 
until yesterday.

bob carpenter

From lglavin@mail.com  Sun Oct 28 13:17:05 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:17:05 -0500
Subject: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
Message-ID: <20071028171705.5FB49102ED@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: "Donna Halper" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: It's Official: WPEP-AM Defunct
>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:52:26 -0400

>That ship has sailed. WPEP was silenced to make way for Keating 
>Willcox's daytime power increase to 30 kW at WNSH.

>But to answer another question, the disappearance of WPEP's 
>nighttime 200-some watts doesn't do anything for WNSH at night. 
>That's because WPEP was a class D station, which received no 
>nighttime interference protection to begin with, thus creating no 
>holes at night by going away.>

>And even if WNSH didn't implement its power increase, there's no 
>way to get the WPEP facility back once it's been surrendered - they 
>don't issue new class D licenses now, and when they're gone, 
>they're gone.

As we all know, the FCC is now looking favorably on relatively
weak AM's adding FM translators.  If the WPEP tower remains in
place, could WVBF-AM put an FM antenna on it, possibly on either
96.5 or 94.9?  Taunton is a bit close to WERS-FM's translator 
on 96.5 on Pope's Island in New Bedford Harbor, but still what
separations does the FCC require for translators?  And that translator
is one channel uop from WRZE, 96.3 on Nantucket (planning to move to the
Cape itself)...so could a translator one channel down from WXTK-FM 95.1 
work in Taunton? 

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From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net  Sun Oct 28 15:31:08 2007
From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:31:08 -0500
Subject: Is this an option for CBS in Boston
References: <4fc429770710261017oddbef75v422c3c364646a354@mail.gmail.com><4c6de81a801152c1a531f9ef6b29db35@charter.net><472287FA.4050706@billoneill.us>
	<18210.39216.108855.839867@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <005201c81999$17d53ac0$509a4c0c@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: Bill O'Neill <me@billoneill.us>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Is this an option for CBS in Boston


> <<On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:36:10 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us>
said:
>
> > As the Hispanic population further integrates (generation-wise) will the
> > demand for Spanish-language radio be as much in demand? Music, yes, but
> > language?  Just a thought. I know this was brought up here a few years
> > ago and generated some interesting feedback.
>
> The jury is still out on that one.  The Brazilian (I believe) family
> next door to me named their youngest child "Matthew", and at five his
> English sounds much like the other five-year-olds' in the
> neighborhood.  On the other hand, Brazilians are not Hispanics, so
> that doesn't really answer your question.
>
> There have certainly been notably successful stations running a
> bilingual English-Spanish format, with mix-and-match music and jock
> patter in whatever language comes out first.
>
> The big question is, to what extent will Spanish speakers going
> forward follow the pattern of previous generations, in which the
> "native" language is usually lost by the third generation.  (Leaving
> aside, if you will the political question of whether you think this is
> good or not.)  This was true of nearly all non-English-speaking
> communities over the past century, even among internal migrants; my
> mother's parents deliberately stopped speaking French at home when
> they moved from Maine to Connecticut because they thought using
> English at home would help their children fit in better with the
> Italians and the Poles in their new home town.  But today, with many
> more media choices and far more goods and services intended for
> Spanish-speakers, there may be less social pressure to conform to the
> majority language.
>
> -GAWollman

I work for a newspaper in Connecticut that used to publish a
free-distribution Spanish-language weekly called Tiempo. Early this year,
Tiempo was discontinued and replaced by Fusion, a free-distribution
English-language weekly covering the same topics of interest to the area's
Hispanic community, which is overwhelmingly Puerto Rican with small pockets
of Dominicans and Mexicans. Advertising and readership seems to be doing
acceptably well (although the whole newspaper business is sufferering from
advertiser desertion), so I guess someone in management, or a consultant,
has decided that assimilation is well under way in this area and that
English-language Hispanic-interest media represent the wave of the future.

Howard



From elipolo@earthlink.net  Mon Oct 29 15:14:08 2007
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:14:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: New WNSH reception report (was: WPEP-AM Defunct)
Message-ID: <24141952.1193685248962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

WNSH is definitely now on the air with a daytime power 
increase over what it was before, though it doesn't yet 
sound like the proposed 30 kW.

In my travels around greater Boston yesterday, it was 
loud and clear at Logan Airport, where their old signal 
used to come in, but very faintly.

Leaving the airport (the free "back way" to avoid paying 
tunnel tolls), it was still generally listenable, though 
fadey/noisy in spots, through the south sides of Chelsea 
and Everett, then Charlestown, Somerville, Cambridge, and 
into Allston, all areas where it generally could not be 
heard before. It gets spotty in some areas of downtown 
Boston where the tall concrete/steel buildings seem to 
do a number on it, and it seems to degrade quickly away
from the immediate coast.

It could be heard, though weakly, through inner western 
suburbs including Brookline, Brighton, Newton, Watertown, 
Waltham, etc.. out to Route 128, where it was very faint, 
but it did not exist at all before. Out in the Auburndale 
section of Newton near second adjacent 10 kW WNTN I could 
still make out what was being said on WNSH, just barely.

This was all on a late 1990s factory Delco cassette stereo.

It sounds like it still has a ways to go if it's going to 
be 30 kW ND. Lesser-powered North Shore AM signals such as 
WLYN and WESX are still stronger around greater Boston but 
it's an improvement. The old WNSH didn't even barely begin 
to exist on the dial until north of the Tobin Bridge.

EP






From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 16:50:09 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:50:09 -0500
Subject: Mike FM becomes Mike Lowell FM ( for a day)
Message-ID: <4fc429770710291350u792d98c7j81d1ffe3d42578a6@mail.gmail.com>

WMKK has announced that Tuesday they will be "Mike Lowell FM" in honor
of the Red Sox star.

Also I noticed that WEEI has changed their ID where it now includes
WVEI-HD01 Easthampton

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct 29 16:51:05 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:51:05 -0400
Subject: New WNSH reception report (was: WPEP-AM Defunct)
References: <24141952.1193685248962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004e01c81a6d$a5d164a0$8df8a742@SatU205S5044>

The old 500W signal was directional to the north, so it definitely did
not serve Boston, Somerville, or other "close-in" communities. Most
likely, WNSH is currently running 1/4 of the CP power or 7.5 kW, which
should deliver half of the 30-kW signal strength. As per my post of
early Sunday morning here, I believe that when WNSH is running 30 kW,
the signal will be about what you'd expect from a little less than 15
kW, and were WNSH to diplex with WESX (with the tower skirted at the
top to reduce its electrical height to a more-or-less optimum 190
degrees at 1570), Keating could get about the same coverage with 7.3
kW. THAT would be a rather impressive signal AND I believe the taller
tower would also permit quite an improvement in the night signal. All
that has to happen to make such a move possible is for the late Otto
Miller's plan to donate the WESX site to the town of Marblehead to
fall through. That might happen--or it might not. But if it did
happen, Keating would still have to act to relocate WNSH to the more
desirable site.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eli Polonsky" <elipolo@earthlink.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: New WNSH reception report (was: WPEP-AM Defunct)


> WNSH is definitely now on the air with a daytime power
> increase over what it was before, though it doesn't yet
> sound like the proposed 30 kW.
>
> In my travels around greater Boston yesterday, it was
> loud and clear at Logan Airport, where their old signal
> used to come in, but very faintly.
>
> Leaving the airport (the free "back way" to avoid paying
> tunnel tolls), it was still generally listenable, though
> fadey/noisy in spots, through the south sides of Chelsea
> and Everett, then Charlestown, Somerville, Cambridge, and
> into Allston, all areas where it generally could not be
> heard before. It gets spotty in some areas of downtown
> Boston where the tall concrete/steel buildings seem to
> do a number on it, and it seems to degrade quickly away
> from the immediate coast.
>
> It could be heard, though weakly, through inner western
> suburbs including Brookline, Brighton, Newton, Watertown,
> Waltham, etc.. out to Route 128, where it was very faint,
> but it did not exist at all before. Out in the Auburndale
> section of Newton near second adjacent 10 kW WNTN I could
> still make out what was being said on WNSH, just barely.
>
> This was all on a late 1990s factory Delco cassette stereo.
>
> It sounds like it still has a ways to go if it's going to
> be 30 kW ND. Lesser-powered North Shore AM signals such as
> WLYN and WESX are still stronger around greater Boston but
> it's an improvement. The old WNSH didn't even barely begin
> to exist on the dial until north of the Tobin Bridge.
>
> EP
>
>
>
>
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Oct 29 16:33:46 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:33:46 -0500
Subject: New WNSH reception report (was: WPEP-AM Defunct)
Message-ID: <20071029203346.87388102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eli Polonsky" 
>To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: New WNSH reception report (was: WPEP-AM Defunct)
>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:14:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

>WNSH is definitely now on the air with a daytime power
>increase over what it was before, though it doesn't yet
>sound like the proposed 30 kW.
>In my travels around greater Boston yesterday, it was
>loud and clear at Logan Airport, where their old signal
>used to come in, but very faintly.
>Leaving the airport (the free "back way" to avoid paying
>tunnel tolls), it was still generally listenable, though
>fadey/noisy in spots, through the south sides of Chelsea
>and Everett, then Charlestown, Somerville, Cambridge, and
>into Allston, all areas where it generally could not be
>heard before. It gets spotty in some areas of downtown
>Boston where the tall concrete/steel buildings seem to
>do a number on it, and it seems to degrade quickly away
>from the immediate coast.
>EP
It doesn't have a blockbuster signal in the Merrimack Valley eith, coming 
in a bit less prominently than North Shore-mate WESX-AM. 
One oddity:  as I drive down route 93 in Andover not far from the
WNNW-AM 800 tower, I get IBOC hash on WNSH, not from WNNW's own
frequency, but its first octave, 1600.  The hash from 1600 absolutely
obliterates WSMN-AM 1590, but does a number on WNSH too...WNTN-AM 1550 is ok 
though.

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From me@billoneill.us  Mon Oct 29 17:44:24 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:44:24 -0400
Subject: Mike FM becomes Mike Lowell FM ( for a day)
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710291350u792d98c7j81d1ffe3d42578a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710291350u792d98c7j81d1ffe3d42578a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47265438.5070306@billoneill.us>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> WMKK has announced that Tuesday they will be "Mike Lowell FM" in honor
> of the Red Sox star.
>
>   

And just think, 99.5 has been whispering 'Lowell' ever since it started 
to Wish it was Boston.  I can't wait until the next big Boston sports 
star is named Athol.

Bill O'Neill

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Oct 29 18:52:08 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:52:08 -0500
Subject: Another Legal Setback for Howie Carr
Message-ID: <20071029225208.7564083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The Herald reports yet another legal setback for Howie Carr, as a state appeals court judge
has forbade him from doing WTKK's morning show during his legal fight. The judge also
said no to Howie's request to have his case heard before the full Appeals Court.

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1041252

WTKK might be tiring of all this and who knows, could try the new Imus show should
it be syndicated, though they've said so far that they intend to hold tight. This
could take a year or more. As the legal fight continues, Jay Severin gets to
do his show with no Howie competition in pm drive on 'RKO while WRKO's Tom Finneran
doesn't have to go up against Howie in am drive via WTKK.

How long will Entercom keep calling it The Howie Carr Show? (They're so
determined to get him back and feel he's their employee so they may
never give up.)

From paul@derrynh.net  Mon Oct 29 19:16:51 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:16:51 -0400
Subject: Mike FM becomes Mike Lowell FM ( for a day)
In-Reply-To: <47265438.5070306@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <004501c81a81$caa01010$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Gee...93.7 could have had a day for the GM as WMKK Lawrence (Luccino) Boston
(Red Sox GM)...

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bill O'Neill
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:44 PM
To: Kevin Vahey
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Mike FM becomes Mike Lowell FM ( for a day)

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> WMKK has announced that Tuesday they will be "Mike Lowell FM" in honor
> of the Red Sox star.
>
>   

And just think, 99.5 has been whispering 'Lowell' ever since it started 
to Wish it was Boston.  I can't wait until the next big Boston sports 
star is named Athol.

Bill O'Neill


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 30 02:06:33 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:06:33 -0500
Subject: Mike FM becomes Mike Lowell FM ( for a day)
In-Reply-To: <47265438.5070306@billoneill.us>
References: <4fc429770710291350u792d98c7j81d1ffe3d42578a6@mail.gmail.com>,
	<47265438.5070306@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <47268399.17354.6068F8@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 29 Oct 2007 at 17:44, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> And just think, 99.5 has been whispering 'Lowell' ever since it
> started to Wish it was Boston.  I can't wait until the next big Boston
> sports star is named Athol.

WCRB has not been whispering.  They do a legal ID which clearly 
states "WCRB Lowell-Boston."  They've done that ever since the change 
last December. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 30 02:06:34 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:06:34 -0500
Subject: Another Legal Setback for Howie Carr
In-Reply-To: <20071029225208.7564083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071029225208.7564083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4726839A.16141.606AEC@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 29 Oct 2007 at 17:52, Bob Nelson wrote:

> The Herald reports yet another legal setback for Howie Carr, as a
> state appeals court judge has forbade him from doing WTKK's morning
> show during his legal fight. The judge also said no to Howie's request
> to have his case heard before the full Appeals Court.

What this is about is (1) an order preserving the status quo while 
the litigation proceeds; and (2) denial of an "interlocutory" appeal.

It's common to issue an order to preserve the status quo in a 
circumstance like this until the rights of the parties are 
determined.  The case hasn't actually gone to trial in the Superior 
Court and won't for some time.  All this skirmishing has been over 
temporary orders.  To disturb the status quo, Howie Carr must 
convince a judge that he has a reasonable probability of succeeding 
on the merits and will suffer irreparable harm if an order in his 
favor isn't issued.  The irreparable harm more likely would be 
suffered by WRKO if Carr is allowed to move to WTKK.

The usual rule on appeals is that you wait until the case is finally 
over in the trial court before you can appeal.  The appellate courts 
don't like to have a case appealed bit-by-bit.  An appeal before the 
case is over is an "interlocutory appeal."  It's sometimes possible 
under special circumstances, but it's not the norm.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From mike@miscon.net  Tue Oct 30 15:51:27 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:51:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: RIP T Radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710251338t5f5785cdib008fa65624728e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710251338t5f5785cdib008fa65624728e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <.132.185.144.120.1193773887.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>



Am I the only one who remembers the short-lived MBTA Television project? I
can't remember the actual name of the experiment, but the MBTA put
monitors in a good number of stations. The programming consisted of?a
bunch of PSA's over and over and over and the occasional "service
update." That is, when it worked. Surprised that it lasted as long as
it did...

Obviously, they learned nothing, I thought, as I
initially read about? "T Radio."?And then
only?two weeks?!? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

ooof

Mike


?

> After only
2 weeks the MBTA has silenced their in-house radio station. 
> 
> It appears riders revolted against it in a big way 
> 
>
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/10/after_twoweek_t.html

> 





From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 16:10:14 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:10:14 -0500
Subject: RIP T Radio
In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.120.1193773887.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
References: <4fc429770710251338t5f5785cdib008fa65624728e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<.132.185.144.120.1193773887.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710301310q134d5276obcec66ca62093403@mail.gmail.com>

It was called something like the Commuter Channel. The Chicago Transit
Authority had the same system. Chicago it seemed to work but never in
Boston.


On 10/30/07, mike@miscon.net <mike@miscon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Am I the only one who remembers the short-lived MBTA Television project? I
> can't remember the actual name of the experiment, but the MBTA put
> monitors in a good number of stations. The programming consisted of a
> bunch of PSA's over and over and over and the occasional "service
> update." That is, when it worked. Surprised that it lasted as long as
> it did...

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Oct 30 20:11:04 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:11:04 -0500
Subject: Question about Dave Maynard
Message-ID: <00e301c81b52$876a2d90$6401a8c0@pastor2>

I read or heard some time ago that WBZ's Dave Maynard, who has been fully
retired for some time now, has lost his sight.  I'm curious as to the extent
of his impairment --- is he completely blind?

Dave is a great talent, and I have great memories of him.  Does he still
live in greater Boston?

-Doug


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 20:00:20 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:00:20 -0400
Subject: Question about Dave Maynard
In-Reply-To: <00e301c81b52$876a2d90$6401a8c0@pastor2>
References: <00e301c81b52$876a2d90$6401a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710301700m26f69f49j5b732eb371b8b154@mail.gmail.com>

I saw him last summer on the new Community Auditions and if he is
blind he hid it well. Channel 50 and NECN air the show. He was just
visiting.

On 10/30/07, Doug Drown <revdoug1@verizon.net> wrote:
> I read or heard some time ago that WBZ's Dave Maynard, who has been fully
> retired for some time now, has lost his sight.  I'm curious as to the extent
> of his impairment --- is he completely blind?
>
> Dave is a great talent, and I have great memories of him.  Does he still
> live in greater Boston?
>
> -Doug
>
>

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Oct 30 20:28:09 2007
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:28:09 -0400
Subject: Question about Dave Maynard
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710301700m26f69f49j5b732eb371b8b154@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <00e301c81b52$876a2d90$6401a8c0@pastor2>
	<4fc429770710301700m26f69f49j5b732eb371b8b154@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071031002831.C1F6D44C01D@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>

At 08:00 PM 10/30/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>I saw him last summer on the new Community Auditions and if he is
>blind he hid it well. Channel 50 and NECN air the show. He was just
>visiting.

he is living in Florida as far as I know.  Dave has macular 
degeneration and while visually impaired, is not blind, thank G-d. 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Oct 31 11:52:48 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:52:48 -0400
Subject: WNSH PSRA/PSSA
Message-ID: <000501c81bd6$18693b00$36efa644@SatU205S5044>

The following has to provide an illustration of just how messed up the
FCC's Media Bureau engineering must be. I looked up WNSH's PSRA and
PSSA, which you can find by doing a station search on the call letters
in CDBS and then opening the link to "Correspondence." As we know,
WNSH is licensed to operate all night with 85W ND. Yet the PSSA and
PSRA were recalculated earlier this year to limit the power from
6:00AM local time to sunrise and during the two hours immediately
following local sunset to just 4W. The limiting station is not the
nearby Class B CFAV but, rather is Mexican Class A XERF.

Now, as I understand it, a full-time authorization the permits higher
powers than a PSRA/PSSA trumps the PSRA and PSSA so WNSH's PSRA and
PSSA seem to be purely academic. But the idea that the Cookie Company
could have made such a wildly erroneous calculation is not. My guess
is that the low powers are based on facilities that XERF has not used
for almost half a century (250 kW ND) AND on rules about protections
required of US stations to foreign co-channel Class As that have not
been in effect for almost a quarter century!

The only way I can imagine WNSH being limited to 4W to protect XERF is
if the contour being protected is XERF's 250-kW 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave
WITHIN US borders. In all likelihood, that contour lay very close to
Boston. I remember hearing XERF at night in Cambridge in 1959. The
Mexican border blaster was running 250 kW back then and the guy on the
air sounded an awful lot like Wolfman Jack, although he used the
on-air name of Dr Jazz-Mo. However, as I understand it, since the Rio
treaty of the early 1980s, US AMs on Mexican Class A channels have
been required to protect the skywave service of Mexican Class As only
within Mexico. Since XERF is only a short distance from the Rio
Grande, its signal along that border probably doesn't drop to anything
like 0.5 mV/m until you are well byond Texas--most likely in New
Mexico or even Arizona. So the distance from Beverly is probably more
than 2000 miles. I think that, at that distance, it is most unlikely
that 85W ND or even considerably more could do much damage to XERF--if
it were running 250 kW, which it no longer does. (I believe it
actually runs 10 kW and has long-unbuilt CP for 50 kW.)

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct 31 13:39:42 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:39:42 -0500
Subject: WNSH PSRA/PSSA
Message-ID: <20071031173955.8F16F478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan.Strassberg" 
>To: Boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: WNSH PSRA/PSSA
>Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:52:48 -0400

>The following has to provide an illustration of just how messed up the
>FCC's Media Bureau engineering must be. 
>Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
>eFax 1-707-215-6367

Never underestimate the powers of the FCC;  they have rendered all calendars, including
the Scott Fybush Tower Calendar for 2007, obsolete.  Tomorrow is October 32nd;
Friday, October 33rd; and Saturday becomes October 34th...that's because many  AM
stations are to operate until D.S.T. with October sign-ons and pattern switches, etc.
Didn't they try to change the calendar during the Franch Revolution, and ended up 
naming a manner of serving lobster?

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From rcarpen1@verizon.net  Wed Oct 31 17:47:03 2007
From: rcarpen1@verizon.net (r j carpenter)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:47:03 -0400
Subject: WNSH PSRA/PSSA
In-Reply-To: <20071031173955.8F16F478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071031173955.8F16F478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4728F7D7.30206@verizon.net>

Laurence Glavin wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan.Strassberg" 
>> To: Boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>> Subject: WNSH PSRA/PSSA
>> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:52:48 -0400
> 
>> The following has to provide an illustration of just how messed up the
>> FCC's Media Bureau engineering must be. 
>> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
>> eFax 1-707-215-6367
> 
> Never underestimate the powers of the FCC;  they have rendered all calendars, including
> the Scott Fybush Tower Calendar for 2007, obsolete.  Tomorrow is October 32nd;
> Friday, October 33rd; and Saturday becomes October 34th...that's because many  AM
> stations are to operate until D.S.T. with October sign-ons and pattern switches, etc.
> Didn't they try to change the calendar during the Franch Revolution, and ended up 
> naming a manner of serving lobster?

Me thinks "Brumaire" (mist/fog) better describes the FCC.

The FCC came up with wildly wrong PSRA/PSSA times last fall(??), then 
relented and told stations to go back to their old power / schedule. 
Could the authorization that Dan found be left over from that debacle?

The FCC's technical competence has been spotty at best in the 50 years I 
have followed them.

bob carpenter



From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Oct 31 22:43:39 2007
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:43:39 -0400
Subject: WBZ website up-dates
Message-ID: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>

As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at WBZ 
to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's 
completed, but I think you'll be pleased.  I was curious about two 
things.  One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional 
materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use 
in the 50s or 60s?  I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit of 
New England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live 
Five."  I have some in my own collection, but would be interested to 
know who else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape.

Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with 
profiles of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or Larry 
Glick.  Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some 
nominees for that page-- any former news or sports or air 
personalities who deserve to be remembered?  We will probably have a 
separate page for those who are no longer living... like Leo Egan, 
Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart... but at this point, I just wanna see 
what names come to mind when you think of memorable people who used 
to be on the air at WBZ.      


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 22:52:34 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:52:34 -0400
Subject: WBZ website up-dates
In-Reply-To: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710311952k2c5a2460ic206a3ce036862a9@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget Bob Kennedy. His widow has tons of stuff.

On 10/31/07, Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at WBZ
> to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's
> completed, but I think you'll be pleased.  I was curious about two
> things.  One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional
> materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use
> in the 50s or 60s?  I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit of
> New England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live
> Five."  I have some in my own collection, but would be interested to
> know who else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape.
>
> Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with
> profiles of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or Larry
> Glick.  Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some
> nominees for that page-- any former news or sports or air
> personalities who deserve to be remembered?  We will probably have a
> separate page for those who are no longer living... like Leo Egan,
> Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart... but at this point, I just wanna see
> what names come to mind when you think of memorable people who used
> to be on the air at WBZ.
>
>

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Wed Oct 31 23:20:39 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:20:39 -0400
Subject: WBZ website up-dates
In-Reply-To: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
References: <20071101024402.A62F944C034@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <47294607.2070409@ttlc.net>

Donna,

Nothing in my personal archives, but you might want to peruse these 
images and contact the owners:

http://www.staffannouncer.com/Glick/glickWBZ.jpg
http://www.staffannouncer.com/glick/glicklemonade.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/WA1ION_Mark/wbz-1030_1965-09-04.gif
http://www.ggninfo.com/PIX/Wbz-tv4.jpg
http://www.manfrommars.com/images/qsl/WBZ.jpg
http://www.jordanrich.com/Images/CD26.jpg     (this will be easy)
http://www.elfsearch.com/resume/images/HT20060511.jpg
http://www.davidsarnoff.org/gallery-ds/galleryimages/DS_c31.jpg

Roger


Donna Halper wrote:
> As some of you know, I am working with Peter Casey and others at WBZ 
> to up-date the website's history--- will let you know when it's 
> completed, but I think you'll be pleased.  I was curious about two 
> things.  One, do any of you have old WBZ surveys or old promotional 
> materials that have some of the WBZ slogans the station used to use in 
> the 50s or 60s?  I want to scan some of them-- like "the spirit of New 
> England" or "the Greatest Airshow on Earth," or "the Live Five."  I 
> have some in my own collection, but would be interested to know who 
> else has some... mine are not all in the greatest shape.
>
> Secondly, as I mentioned, we want to do a tribute page-- with profiles 
> of past WBZ stars like Bruce Bradley or Dick Summer or Larry Glick.  
> Before we round up the usual suspects, do you have some nominees for 
> that page-- any former news or sports or air personalities who deserve 
> to be remembered?  We will probably have a separate page for those who 
> are no longer living... like Leo Egan, Carl DeSuze, Streeter Stuart... 
> but at this point, I just wanna see what names come to mind when you 
> think of memorable people who used to be on the air at WBZ.     
>
>
>