From hykker@grolen.com Mon Jan 1 10:03:21 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:03:21 -0500 Subject: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ In-Reply-To: <20070101001511.9411E44C00C@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <7142932.2157901167599409043.JavaMail.root@vms246> <20070101001511.9411E44C00C@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070101100125.019d0ce0@grolen.com> Donna Halper wrote: > And what about the old Yankee Network-- I have their > sounder: "News while it IS news, the Yankee Network is on the > air," and I think a few old newscasts are out there somewhere... I'm sure this has been asked (and answered) before, but when did the Yankee network close up shop? The last I recall hearing them was late '66/early '67 though it may have lasted longer. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date: 12/22/2006 From revdoug1@verizon.net Mon Jan 1 11:33:06 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:33:06 -0500 Subject: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ References: <7142932.2157901167599409043.JavaMail.root@vms246> <20070101001511.9411E44C00C@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070101100125.019d0ce0@grolen.com> Message-ID: <00f301c72dc2$8456e0e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> WNAC became WRKO in March 1967. It was RKO General's decision to close down the Yankee Network at the time of the format/call change, probably because its programming was incompatible with what the management had in mind for WRKO. (Do you remember the days when it was rare for Top 40 stations to be CBS affiliates? Same thing.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveOrdinetz" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ > Donna Halper wrote: > > And what about the old Yankee Network-- I have their > > sounder: "News while it IS news, the Yankee Network is on the > > air," and I think a few old newscasts are out there somewhere... > > I'm sure this has been asked (and answered) before, but when did the > Yankee network close up shop? The last I recall hearing them was > late '66/early '67 though it may have lasted longer. > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date: 12/22/2006 > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 1 12:19:33 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:19:33 -0500 Subject: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ In-Reply-To: <000a01c72dbb$88c514a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <7142932.2157901167599409043.JavaMail.root@vms246> <20070101001511.9411E44C00C@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070101100125.019d0ce0@grolen.com> <000a01c72dbb$88c514a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070101171734.3077644C007@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 10:43 AM 1/1/2007, Dan Strassberg wrote: >Did the Yankee Network close up shop when WNAC flipped calls to WRKO? The Yankee Network quietly closed up shop on 26 February 1967. The call letters changed from WNAC to WRKO the week of 6 March, and On Monday, 13 March, 1967 WRKO changed format to top 40. All information is according to various Boston newspapers, by the way. This question did come up a few months ago... From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Jan 1 12:30:09 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:30:09 -0500 Subject: WLVI refugees find homes Message-ID: <17817.17697.978339.662258@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I saw ex-WLVI chief meterologist Mike Wankum doing fill-in work Sunday night on WCVB. On the final 56 show, he hinted that he already had another job lined up in the Boston market. He's not listed on 'CVB's Web site, though. Any word on any of other ex-56 staff coming back from the beach? -GAWollman From markwats@comcast.net Mon Jan 1 13:59:21 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:59:21 -0500 Subject: WLVI refugees find homes References: <17817.17697.978339.662258@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <004001c72dd6$f3632200$9447da18@Mark> Garrett Wollman wrote: >I saw ex-WLVI chief meterologist Mike Wankum doing fill-in work Sunday > night on WCVB. On the final 56 show, he hinted that he already had > another job lined up in the Boston market. He's not listed on 'CVB's > Web site, though. I read in an article in the Boston Herald a couple of days after the final WLVI- produced news aired that mentioned Mike Wankum would be doing some freelance fill in work on WCVB. Garrett also wrote: > Any word on any of other ex-56 staff coming back from the beach? According to the same Herald article, former weekend meteorologist Joe Venuti is now at WCVB as a weather producer. The article also stated a couple of reporters landed jobs outside the market. Lauren Jiggetts went to one of the Chicago TV stations, while Adam Chonak (sp?) I believe found a job at one of Denver's TV stations. I haven't seen or read anything about any of the other ex-WLVI news staffers finding new jobs as of yet. Mark Watson From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 14:51:04 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:51:04 -0500 Subject: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ References: <008301c72b87$25798a10$9447da18@Mark><39118.66.195.169.98.1167425700.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com><4597CD8C.9010901@billoneill.us><002c01c72cf7$96cc63b0$123f434b@DG07P241><4597F609.6080904@fybush.com> <20061231175955.1AC6744C082@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <04d501c72dde$62cc6320$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I have a question about Jay McQuaide-- I gather they didn't renew his > contract at WBZ. I know he got another job, but my understanding is > that he is out of radio? Here's more rumblings... Jay was at WBZ doing middays....and waiting for the day when Gary retired...hoping to grab the morning anchor slot...and at least some of the "Gary Money" as well. Since he was filling in for Gary as needed, he thought he would be WBZ's logical choice to replace Gary. He and WBZ started contract negotiations, and they offerred him a deal. >From what I understand, he wanted a much larger increase that the standard COL....again, thinking they valued him as Gary's replacement. Jay became disenfranchised with WBZ's management, the newsroom cuts, their (non) negotiating with him, etc. Jay's friend and former WBZ colleague Peter Meade was working over at Blue Cross-Blue Chield and knew Jay was a bright guy....and offerred him a "good job at a good wage" (to quote Gov Dukakis). Which included normal hours, an office, support staff, generous vacation, etc. I believe having young kids and his read of WBZ/CBS at the time, he made a decision of what holds the brighter future...and would be best for his family. So, from what I heard, he WAS offerred another contract...but not for the amount he was seeking. If he was still there, would he have taken over the morning slot? He was, after all, Lappiere's replacement. Would WBZ still have searched and found Ed Walsh outside the market if McQuade was still there? ??? Again, this is all hearsay. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 14:55:19 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:55:19 -0500 Subject: Gary LaPierre Wraps Up 42 Years At WBZ References: <008301c72b87$25798a10$9447da18@Mark><39118.66.195.169.98.1167425700.squirrel@webmail10.pair.com><4597CD8C.9010901@billoneill.us><002c01c72cf7$96cc63b0$123f434b@DG07P241><4597F609.6080904@fybush.com> <20061231175955.1AC6744C082@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <050b01c72ddf$237e86c0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Ditto for Flo Jonic, as I recall-- she did > some story that the government didn't like (and she turned out to > have been 100% accurate) but she was fired or something? >From what I understand she was not fired for the report/story (which the station had delayed airing for multiple concerns). But was fired for insubordination. She was not happy with the stations decision to "hold" the story...and wrote a company-wide (or at least newsroom-wide) email and spoke to the press complaining about the company's decision. From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jan 1 18:35:37 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:35:37 -0800 Subject: WLVI refugees find homes In-Reply-To: <004001c72dd6$f3632200$9447da18@Mark> References: <17817.17697.978339.662258@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <004001c72dd6$f3632200$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <083A2BDA-010F-1000-D969-840075B66706-Webmail-10010@mac.com> On Monday, January 01, 2007, at 02:33PM, "Mark Watson" wrote: >> Any word on any of other ex-56 staff coming back from the beach? > Several members of their engineering staff are now working here at Channel 7, as are most of their sales department. I think it's the news people who got hit the hardest. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From m1bz@hotmail.com Mon Jan 1 20:07:34 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:07:34 -0500 Subject: WLVI refugees find homes In-Reply-To: <083A2BDA-010F-1000-D969-840075B66706-Webmail-10010@mac.com> Message-ID: I know of a number of WLVI newsroom staffers who are frantically searching for work. People always talk about the faces we see and the voices we hear, never about the people who make them look and/or sound good. They're hurting too. >From: Larry Weil >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: WLVI refugees find homes >Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:35:37 -0800 > > >On Monday, January 01, 2007, at 02:33PM, "Mark Watson" > wrote: > > >> Any word on any of other ex-56 staff coming back from the beach? > > > >Several members of their engineering staff are now working here at Channel >7, as are most of their sales department. I think it's the news people who >got hit the hardest. > >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jan 1 22:23:59 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:23:59 -0500 Subject: WLVI refugees find homes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:07 PM -0500 1/1/07, Michael E wrote: >I know of a number of WLVI newsroom staffers who are frantically >searching for work. > >People always talk about the faces we see and the voices we hear, >never about the people who make them look and/or sound good. >They're hurting too. When I said "news people", I meant that to be inclusive of the news department, not just the on-air talent. > >>From: Larry Weil >>To: bri@bostonradio.org >>Subject: Re: WLVI refugees find homes >>Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:35:37 -0800 >> >> >>On Monday, January 01, 2007, at 02:33PM, "Mark Watson" >> wrote: >> >>>> Any word on any of other ex-56 staff coming back from the beach? >>> >> >>Several members of their engineering staff are now working here at >>Channel 7, as are most of their sales department. I think it's the >>news people who got hit the hardest. >> >>Larry Weil >>Lake Wobegone, NH > >_________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden >Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 10:13:56 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:13:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: So many pots, switches, buttons, knobs..what 'dis do? In-Reply-To: <000201c72aec$699ffe90$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20070102151356.38951.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:55:22 Daniel Billings wrote: > It is not just the big guys that have these > problems. JJ Jeffrey's Big Jab > sports station is broadcast on three stations, > including AM 900 out of > Brunswick. 95.5 and AM 1440 are the main stations > and the Brunswick feed is > an after thought. From time to time, the station is > unlistenable. I'm not > sure how they feed the audio to the station but > something happens that makes > the whole station sound like you have slightly tuned > out of the station. > One time it went on for days. I sent an e-mail. It > was fixed the next day. > I also have a story to contribute here. The actual station involved as well as the person involved in this matter will remain nameless. Back in 2000, this station used to carry the 2-hour version of the syndicated rock show "Flashback" on automation. A particular board operator was assigned to run a countdown show on a much larger sister station during the same timeslot. This board operator was the only person in the building at the time, and was also expected to "keep an eye" on all the other stations to make sure they remained on the air and operating correctly. Soon after taking over this shift, in between running the countdown, they noticed that the same second hour of Flashback had run for 3 weeks in a row. They notified engineering and programming, who inititally just blew them off (engineering also showed the board operator how they changed the Flashback program CDs in the jukebox automation system they used to ensure that the show was being properly updated). The following week the same thing happened again, at which point the board operator started to ride engineering about this a bit more persistently. Although they didn't let on to the board op initially, it appeared that they finally listened to the station during Flashback and also noticed that something was indeed wrong. After a couple more weeks of wrangling, all parties involved were a bit surprised to find out that a previous engineer, while trying to cover up a mistake they made while programming the automation system, had slipped a Flashback Hour Two CD someplace else in the jukebox, and put a hack in the automation system scheduler to always run that second hour instead of the correct Hour Two CD. Further, engineering realized that this situation had been going on for quite some time BEFORE this board operator had noticed it (although they would not admit how long, the board op figured it was likely going on for a couple years). They told the board op that they were the first person in all that time to actually notice that something was wrong, meaning that nobody ever really paid attention to, or even listened to the station in question. So this is not at all an uncommon situation, and a final note from me on this story - this particular situation occurred in a much larger market than most people might think. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 2 22:12:49 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:12:49 -0500 Subject: So many pots, switches, buttons, knobs..what 'dis do? In-Reply-To: <20070102151356.38951.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20070102151356.38951.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459B1F31.5010709@ttlc.net> Matthew Osborne wrote: > So this is not at all an uncommon situation, and a > final note from me on this story - this particular > situation occurred in a much larger market than most > people might think. While working for WRKO, I noticed "South Street", by the Orlons, skipped. And it was on cart. I brought it to the attention of the Music Director who had it re-carted. So, apparently nobody heard the skip before me. Not the person who carted it, not the Jock and not the tech on duty for the air console. To be fair, when a Jock finished introing the song, both he and the tech turned their air monitors down to converse via intercom about the next break. By the time the next break was all laid out, the skip had come and gone. However, since it was carted, no listener ever called to complain, no other tech had heard it, no newsman had heard it, no PD had heard it, no MD had heard it, no "hitline" person had heard it, no other personnel in the station had heard it. From me@billoneill.us Tue Jan 2 22:48:26 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:48:26 -0500 Subject: So many pots, switches, buttons, knobs..what 'dis do? In-Reply-To: <459B1F31.5010709@ttlc.net> References: <20070102151356.38951.qmail@web56814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <459B1F31.5010709@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <459B278A.5070200@billoneill.us> Roger Kirk wrote: > no listener ever called to complain, no other tech had heard > it, no newsman had heard it, no PD had heard it, no MD had > heard it, no "hitline" person had heard it, no other > personnel in the station had heard it. File under: If a record skips in the woods.... Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 3 01:57:37 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:57:37 -0500 Subject: WRKO: Savage, then Doyle at night? Message-ID: <20070103065737.9B47C1CE30D@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> For a few days it seems that WRKO was moving Michael Savage to 7 pm due to 10 pm Celtics games. But tonight Savage aired at 7 and no Celts game was scheduled! Apparently a new time slot? After him came Jerry Doyle, another Talk Radio Network show (ironically enough, the competition at 10 pm includes TRN's Ingraham on 'TKK). 'RKO has run him on Saturday nights but now I guess they're adding his daily show. At least I think they are--no change to website yet. Was this just for tonight? Probably not... as for Feinburg, maybe it's he who got the 9-noon slot that had been DePetro's. I would have thought they'd go for Glenn Beck from Premiere, but Beck's show originally airs at 9 am ET, while Doyle I believe is at 3 pm--so while either show would have been delayed, Doyle's is merely delayed by 7 hours, not 13. (I remember when 'RKO dumped Hannity for Savage; one reason they gave is they wanted a show that would be "live" and more timely (at that time Savage's feed was 7-10 pm, IIRC; now it's 6-9 pm) I think the TRN networks are barter--pick up the show as long as you run the ads. If this lineup stays, Red Sox games will most likely lead into Doyle rather than the acerbic Savage... -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 3 02:13:44 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:13:44 -0500 Subject: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103071344.222FB1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/messengerBlog/?p=174 Soon to be announced: 6-9 am Imus (loses last hour) 9-10 am Barnicle 10 am-noon Michael Graham 12-3 pm Eagan and Braude 3-7 pm Severin 7-9 pm O'Reilly (not sure what will air at 9 pm) "Meanwhile, Herald columnist Margery Eagan and NECN host Jim Braude are getting two hours tacked on their show. The small island of liberalism in WTKK?s line-up is going from a one-hour program to three hours, and will air between 12 p.m. and 3 p.m., sources said." Hmm! I hope they keep running Ingraham--maybe moved back to 9 pm? Note the tripling of E&B's show, "small island of liberalism" (wonder why they did that, eh?) -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 3 02:15:45 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:15:45 -0500 Subject: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103071545.CDBC81BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> oops--rest of their lineup, via BostonRadio blog: >>9PM-Midnight Laura Ingraham Midnight-1AM Mike Barnicle (rebroadcast) 1-5AM John and Jeff -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Wed Jan 3 10:39:53 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:39:53 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <459BCE49.3020304@Gmail.com> The radio "bandit" wrote, > >>9PM-Midnight Laura Ingraham > Midnight-1AM Mike Barnicle (rebroadcast) > 1-5AM John and Jeff Maybe they can pick up "Dr. Dean Edel" for 12-1am (I don't think 'RKO still actively carries him)? Personally, I'd rather hear "Lionel" from 10pm-1am! P=) ~Kaimbidge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 3 11:25:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:25:42 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103162544.139A21158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" wrote: >>Maybe they can pick up "Dr. Dean Edel" for 12-1am (I don't think 'RKO still actively carries him)? Personally, I'd rather hear "Lionel" from 10pm-1am! P=) There's an effort to bring prog talk back to Boston, but I wonder if some fans of libtalk tried to contact WRKO or WTKK to pitch the idea of carrying one or two shows, even if tape delayed; Steph Miller or Ed Schultz from Jones, or Thom Hartmann from AAR. 'RKO could have put one of them on tape delay at 7 pm (when no sports) or 10 pm or even Miller live at 9 am. Same for 'TKK, though it appears there was no room in the lineup to do changes other than curbing the hours of three shows to make room for expanded Eagan and Braude, etc. Given the state of local radio currently, you have to wonder if AAR/prog. talk would be back within the next couple months, later in the year, or not till next year on a station fully committed to the format. If these options are low then trying to at least get one show on a WRKO or a WTKK would be better than nothing. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 3 11:30:14 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:30:14 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103163014.F1DE61024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:39:53 +0000 >The radio "bandit" wrote, > >>9PM-Midnight Laura Ingraham > Midnight-1AM Mike Barnicle (rebroadcast) > 1-5AM John and Jeff >Maybe they can pick up "Dr. Dean Edel" for 12-1am (I don't think >'RKO still actively carries him)? >Personally, I'd rather hear "Lionel" from 10pm-1am! P=) If you care to, you can hear Lionel on WWKB-AM 1520 if you live more than one-mille from the WWZN transmitter. I guess he's also on WOR-AM, but 'KB really blasts...and WCAP-AM 980 Loal carries a tape-delayed version on weekends. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 3 12:05:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:05:16 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103170519.E7ACD1F50B3@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: >>You are undoubtedly a brilliant man because these were EXACTLY my thoughts when I read about the changes at 'RKO and 969 FM Talk. It gives you an idea of how bankrupt the, um, "brain trussed" at WRKO are by their act of putting a third-rate right-wing clone on instead of grabbing a chance to put a tape-delayed "Stephanie Miller" on at 10:00 pm before somebody else grabs her (figureatively speaking). Right. Usually I don't listen to Savage except maybe in short doses... (Only potential drawback to putting Miller on at 10 would be the same thing that would happen if they put tape delayed Beck on at that hour: talk that's 13 hours old. Something important could have broken in the news since then, and either delayed-Miller or delayed-Beck would be talking about "old news".) By the way, the Globe mentions the WTKK lineup changes and has a quote from their Phil Redo about the importance of local shows in a talk lineup for "terrestrial radio". Number of weekday local shows that aired on 1200 & 1430 during the just over 2 years of the prog talk format? Zero. (also WTTT has no local shows though IIRC they had Don Feder on mornings briefly) http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/01/03/tkk_changes_shows_times_and_lengths/ As for 'RKO their main focus, if the constantly run promos are any indication, is: "IT'S GONE! BIG PAPI STRIKES AGAIN!" Whatever talk shows are to air on the nights when there isn't baseball (or hoops) is not as important to them, I'd guess... -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 3 11:46:02 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:46:02 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070103164605.1ADBD1CE308@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:25:42 -0500 "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" wrote: >> Maybe they can pick up "Dr. Dean Edel" for 12-1am (I don't think 'RKO still actively carries him)? Personally, I'd rather hear "Lionel" from 10pm-1am! P=) >There's an effort to bring prog talk back to Boston, but I wonder if >some fans of libtalk tried to contact WRKO or WTKK to pitch the idea of >carrying one or two shows, even if tape delayed; Steph Miller or >Ed Schultz from Jones, or Thom Hartmann from AAR. 'RKO could have >put one of them on tape delay at 7 pm (when no sports) or 10 pm >or even Miller live at 9 am. You are undoubtedly a brilliant man because these were EXACTLY my thoughts when I read about the changes at 'RKO and 969 FM Talk. It gives you an idea of how bankrupt the, um, "brain trussed" at WRKO are by their act of putting a third-rate right-wing clone on instead of grabbing a chance to put a tape-delayed "Stephanie Miller" on at 10:00 pm before somebody else grabs her (figureatively speaking). -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 4 03:31:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:31:16 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070104083117.3729216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=175210 The Herald talks about the expanded Eagan and Braude show; it says the hosts are "among the few liberal yakkers" in town and that new Gov. Deval Patrick has agreed to do regular gigs with them. Also one reason is given for Barnicle's show being chopped in half: low ratings. Kudos to WRKO, WTKK, and WBZ for their commitment to local talk shows. Seems (except for WBZ) that most shows at night will be syndicated, but I'm sure it's that way in many other cities across the nation--and on many stations, sports winds up pre-empting these syndie shows often. (When I'd heard that WPHT in Phil. was getting that short-lived Severin show, which aired at 7 pm, I thought: Why are they bothering? He'll be pre-empted so often by Phillies games that he won't really be able to get much of a following...) -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 07:21:05 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 04:21:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mike Gallgher Message-ID: <546305.50129.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When does Mike Gallgher air live? I listen between noon and 3 on WLOB and it seems really choppy. Especially around callers. Is this post live editing, or does he consistantly hit the dump button? ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 4 08:55:12 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:55:12 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher References: <546305.50129.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005401c73007$f5184020$6501a8c0@pastor2> This brings up a pet peeve of mine. Why do radio stations do delayed broadcasts of talk shows? This makes no sense to me, given that the point of a talk show is interaction between the host and his/her listeners. (Unless you just want to sit and listen to the host yak. It goes without saying that some hosts revel in their pontificating.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Mike Gallgher > When does Mike Gallgher air live? I listen between > noon and 3 on WLOB and it seems really choppy. > Especially around callers. Is this post live editing, > or does he consistantly hit the dump button? > > ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! > http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox > > ***Commercial Production Demo at: > http://cooperfox.voice123.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 10:48:48 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:48:48 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070104154849.2A5871024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:31:16 -0500 >http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=175210 The natural question is: if Eagan and Braude got such high ratings while phone-it-in-Barnicle did the opposite, why didn't they ****can Barnicle long ago and run E&B then? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 4 10:56:12 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:56:12 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes In-Reply-To: <20070104083117.3729216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070104083117.3729216427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: At 3:31 AM -0500 1/4/07, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=175210 > >The Herald talks about the expanded Eagan and Braude show It should be noted that Eagan and Braude was originally a three hour show, it was chopped to one hour when O'Reilly started airing on the station. So this just restores the show to it's former length. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 4 10:54:52 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher References: <546305.50129.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c73018$af93dd00$19eefea9@satpro4600> My impression is that Gallagher airs live from 9:00AM to noon Eastern. I think WTTT carries that part of Salem's lineup live. Bennet 6-9, Gallagher 9-12, Prager 12-3, Hewitt 3-6. Dunno who follows Hewitt or whether or not WTTT carries that show live. Somewhere in the mix is Laura Schlessinger who may or may not even be on WTTT. I'm pretty sure she's on WROL at night. I'm continually amused by the fact that, if WROL ever gets a CP to build its 5 kW night facilities, one of the few places that will get a great signal will be Provincetown. Nothing like beaming Dr Laura across that clear salt-water path to her devoted fans in Provincetown ;>) -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Mike Gallgher > When does Mike Gallgher air live? I listen between > noon and 3 on WLOB and it seems really choppy. > Especially around callers. Is this post live editing, > or does he consistantly hit the dump button? > > ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! > http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox > > ***Commercial Production Demo at: > http://cooperfox.voice123.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 4 11:35:33 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:35:33 -0500 Subject: WRKO lineup mystery Message-ID: <20070104163538.7150DFE84@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> I went to the WRKO "Program Schedule" page and found that it now says To Be Announced from 5-6 am (had been reruns of shows), 9-noon (DePetro's old slot), and now 7-10 pm as well! (With Savage listed at 10 pm) Todd Feinburg is still listed as doing a show on weekends (his nationally syndicated one). When you go to the links on the left you'll see Feinburg listed as a talk host under Howie Carr, but when you click the link his page comes up and it simply says he's on weekends (not daily). Speculation time: now that Tom Finneran may be available (said to be pleading guilty to perjury charges and will serve no jail time, just pay a fine and be under probation) is it possible he's headed to that morning slot? DePetro's site says a "big announcement is coming"--am guessing he's headed to 'HJJ in Providence, but would 'RKO actually be bringing him back? (In related news, Donald Trump is marrying Rosie O'Donnell and Red Sox bleacher seats are being marked down to $2 each...) What about Glenn Beck or Stephanie Miller in that 9 am slot? Is Jerry Doyle being added to nights or not? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 10:52:19 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:52:19 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher Message-ID: <20070104155219.C35191024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cooper Fox" >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Mike Gallgher >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 04:21:05 -0800 (PST) >When does Mike Gallgher air live? I listen between >noon and 3 on WLOB and it seems really choppy. >Especially around callers. Is this post live editing, >or does he consistantly hit the dump button? Mike Gallagher's show airs from 9:00 am till 11:45 am (at 11:45 they pick up Paul Harvey) on listener-challenged WTTT-AM 1150 in Boston. I assume the show is live then. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 4 11:00:56 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:00:56 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher In-Reply-To: <005401c73007$f5184020$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <546305.50129.qm@web39101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005401c73007$f5184020$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: At 8:55 AM -0500 1/4/07, Doug Drown wrote: >This brings up a pet peeve of mine. Why do radio stations do delayed >broadcasts of talk shows? This makes no sense to me, given that the point >of a talk show is interaction between the host and his/her listeners. >(Unless you just want to sit and listen to the host yak. It goes without >saying that some hosts revel in their pontificating.) As long as there are enough callers to give the host a base of support or someone to argue against, that's enough for them. The issue isn't anything like fairness or getting all points of view heard, it's simply about ratings. As for why they delay, it's mostly just where a program fits in the station's schedule. On the west coast, nearly all talk programs (except local ones) are heard on a delayed basis. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 12:02:29 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:02:29 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070104154849.2A5871024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <02ab01c73022$76606a80$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > The natural question is: if Eagan and Braude got such high ratings while > phone-it-in-Barnicle did the opposite, why didn't they ****can Barnicle > long ago and run E&B then? Barnicle has "marqee value".... From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 12:19:01 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:19:01 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher Message-ID: <20070104171904.6904A1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Cooper Fox" , "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: Mike Gallgher >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:54:52 -0500 >My impression is that Gallagher airs live from 9:00AM to noon Eastern. I >think WTTT carries that part of Salem's lineup live. Bennet 6-9, Gallagher >9-12, Prager 12-3, Hewitt 3-6. Dunno who follows Hewitt or whether or not >WTTT carries that show live. Somewhere in the mix is Laura Schlessinger who >may or may not even be on WTTT. I'm pretty sure she's on WROL at night. I'm >continually amused by the fact that, if WROL ever gets a CP to build its 5 >kW night facilities, one of the few places that will get a great signal will >be Provincetown. Nothing like beaming Dr Laura across that clear salt-water >path to her devoted fans in Provincetown ;>) I thought that their original plan to switch COL to Reveah and add nighttime service with just 1 kilowatt had expired. Now, thanks to your post I note they've submitted a new application for 5 kw at night just as you described it. Hmmm...why bother since they fail to cut back to 95 watts so often? It seems to me that a radio station with a significant CP before the Commission would be more careful...you wouldn't want an inspector imposing a hefty fine while the legal niceties are going up the food chain! Going back in time, it's strange that Carberry went to all the trouble of putting a new signal on at 830 in Woostah rather than build out a 50 kw facility for WROL. WAGM in Presque Isle, ME went away and WROL already had an audience for its programming including the Irish Hit Parade and Soxas Rojas during the summer! Oh, and speaking of Presque Isle (would it become an ACTUAL isle if the polar ice caps melt?) I see that WEGP-AM 1390 has revised its CP from 50 kw to 25 kw...maybe they calculated the cost of a 50 kw transmitter and figured improved coverage in the Northern Maine wilderness would not yield much advertising revenue. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 12:31:27 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:31:27 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070104173139.723511BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Bob Nelson" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:02:29 -0500 > The natural question is: if Eagan and Braude got such high ratings while > phone-it-in-Barnicle did the opposite, why didn't they ****can Barnicle > long ago and run E&B then? >Barnicle has "marqee value".... First of all, today's Herald item indicated he was a ratings LOSER which is all that counts really. And how is a "newpaper columnist" who appears in NO newspaper a marquee (correct spelling) name...a FADED marquee name is more like it. And to carry the thought to another "marquee" name: over and over again people have stated that although Al Franken had a "marquee" name, his show sucked (their opinion, not mine). I'm an avid Stephanie Miller fan (now limited to listening to the opening segements of each hour on stephaniemiller.com's blog) so I rarely heard Barnicle's lame show live except when S.M. was on vacation or I had occasion to hear a Barnicle rerun on the weekends. It strikes me that he doesn't bother himself with much show prep, he falls back on sports-oriented palaver, and on another board, someone posted that when he runs out of things to say, he plays a pop or jazz CD? This is a TALK-SHOW host? How can WTKK claim to be ALL talk if Barnicle is playing MUSIC? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 12:34:54 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:34:54 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher Message-ID: <20070104173459.382581BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" >To: lglavin@mail.com >Subject: Re: Mike Gallgher >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:27:56 -0500 >Laurence wrote-- > WAGM in Presque Isle, ME went away and WROL already had an > audience for its programming including the Irish Hit Parade and Soxas Rojas > during the summer! >WAGM is gone? That was the first station I ever consulted, way >back in 1980. Boy, it's a long drive up to Presque Isle from >Boston... I forget which month, but Scott referred to WAGM as 'now silent' on a page of his calendar. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 12:53:54 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070104173139.723511BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20b9d01c73029$5eb103c0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > > The natural question is: if Eagan and Braude got such high ratings while > > phone-it-in-Barnicle did the opposite, why didn't they ****can Barnicle > > long ago and run E&B then? > > >Barnicle has "marquee value".... > > First of all, today's Herald item indicated he was a ratings LOSER which > is all that counts really. If you listen to WTKK, they have a lot of local/retail spots that do not depend on the ratings. They love to hear Severin talking about Ken's Steak House, or Barnicle pitching Autolines. > And how is a "newpaper columnist" who appears > in NO newspaper a marquee name...a FADED marquee name > is more like it. He is/was one of the most popular/recognizable ex-newspaper columnists in Boston right now. He is a current fill-in host on MSNBC. Is the NY post column gone? Is Chronicle over? > And to carry the thought to another "marquee" name: > over and over again people have stated that although Al Franken had a > "marquee" name, his show sucked (their opinion, not mine). That's why they keep Franken on the air. Marquee value...even though the show sucks. The million or so they spend on Franken comes back as marketing. If they used the Franken salary to buy TV ads, etc....they could never have the effect of what Franken has done for them. So, when counting up the assets and debits of the operation.....in spite of his show being bad....he ends up on the 'plus' side of the ledger. From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 4 12:27:56 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher In-Reply-To: <20070104171904.6904A1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070104171904.6904A1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070104172758.11EB9646FDA@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Laurence wrote-- >WAGM in Presque Isle, ME went away and WROL already had an >audience for its programming including the Irish Hit Parade and Soxas Rojas >during the summer! WAGM is gone? That was the first station I ever consulted, way back in 1980. Boy, it's a long drive up to Presque Isle from Boston... From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jan 4 13:21:05 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:21:05 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher Message-ID: > > From: "Doug Drown" > To: "Cooper Fox" , > > Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:55:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: Mike Gallgher > > This brings up a pet peeve of mine. Why do radio stations > do delayed broadcasts of talk shows? This makes no sense > to me, given that the point of a talk show is interaction > between the host and his/her listeners. I think that talk radio has a MUCH larger audience who have absolutely no intention of ever calling in and interacting on the air than the amount of people who actually do. I'd imagine that the majority of listeners are content to be vicariously entertained by the interaction of the host and callers other than themselves. The minority of vocal people who actually call in are entertaining the silent majority of passive listeners who prefer to stay on the sidelines and just take it all in, and they get the same value out of a show that's a few hours old as one that's broadcast live in real time. I'm guessing that if talk radio ratings were limited to only the vocal people who may be likely to call in, the whole format would have probably died decades ago. EP From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 4 14:16:05 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:16:05 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher References: <20070104171904.6904A1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <20070104172758.11EB9646FDA@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <004101c73034$c8dbd030$6501a8c0@pastor2> WAGM died almost twenty years ago. The owners closed up the AM and moved the programming over to the sister FM station (96.9), then known as WCXU, if memory serves. The move surprised a lot of people, as WAGM was one of the oldest radio stations in the state. WAGM-TV is still operating, under different ownership. <> It's a long drive to Presque Isle from anywhere! People from outside Maine don't realize how big this state is. I know. I'm a "transplant" myself. It's almost as far from Kittery to Fort Kent as it is from Boston to Washington. I'm not kidding. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Mike Gallgher > Laurence wrote-- > > >WAGM in Presque Isle, ME went away and WROL already had an > >audience for its programming including the Irish Hit Parade and Soxas Rojas > >during the summer! > > WAGM is gone? That was the first station I ever consulted, way back > in 1980. Boy, it's a long drive up to Presque Isle from Boston... > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 16:05:41 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:05:41 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070104210543.605F21F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Bob Nelson" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:53:54 -0500 >If you listen to WTKK, they have a lot of local/retail spots that do not >depend on the ratings. They love to hear Severin talking about Ken's Steak >House, or Barnicle pitching Autolines. Let me get this straight: radio in general is in a constant state of turmoil because of declining listening patterns (I believe a firm called Bridge Media has chronicled this) and defections of advertisers themselves to other media. Yet a powerful radio station in a major market keeps a guy on-the-air so a few business owners can get a "thrill" by hearing a couple of the station's employees voice their spots! Duh. >He is a current fill-in host on MSNBC. I occasionally view MSNBC, especially Keith Olbermann, but it's still the third-ranked cable news outlet. If the population at-large is only dimly aware of several of their headliners (Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough), where does that place fill-ins? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 16:16:54 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:16:54 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070104210543.605F21F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c73045$aeca03e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Let me get this straight: radio in general is in a constant state of turmoil > because of declining listening patterns (I believe a firm called > Bridge Media has chronicled this) and defections of advertisers > themselves to other media. Yet a powerful radio station in a major > market keeps a guy on-the-air so a few business owners can get a "thrill" > by hearing a couple of the station's employees voice their spots! Duh. No not just that....Duh! But when you put the assetts of a station on one side and the debits on another...people like Barnicle and Franken end up on the asset side.....even with cruddy ratings. Barnicle is on MSNBC plenty....and on Chronicle....and his visibility certainly helps lift the station. Just like a name on a movie marquee can bring in people who wouldn't normally attend. Can just a name make a stinker movie a hit? Probably not, but studios have been doing the same thing for years. > >He is a current fill-in host on MSNBC. > > I occasionally view MSNBC, especially Keith Olbermann, but it's still the > third-ranked cable news outlet. If the population at-large is only > dimly aware of several of their headliners (Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough), > where does that place fill-ins? He fills in for Chris Matthews a lot. (And Chris Matthews is more popular than Carlson or Scarborough right now.) In any event, it's still it's a plus. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 4 16:20:17 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:20:17 -0500 Subject: Herald: WRKO may sign Finneran for AM drive Message-ID: <20070104212018.8C3381CE308@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Via Boston Radio Watch, and directly from the Herald http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=175334 Entercom is still talking with former MA Speaker of the House Tom Finneran about a show at the station, though apparently it's the AM Drive slot, not DePetro's old 9-noon show. (Ironically enough, right now Howie Carr's page on the 'RKO site has a poll as to whether or not Finneran should be doing jail time. Yes is up to 91 per cent.) -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 16:24:22 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:24:22 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio Message-ID: <20070104212423.8D362478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> An individual whose name I don't recognize from this list or radio-info.com's Boston board sent a Letter to the Editor that appeared in today's (012/04/07) paper. He opines about the disappearance of "progressive" talk from WXKS-AM 1430 and WKOX-AM 1200. The URL is as follows: http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=175223 I'd be inspired to submit a rebuttal with some degree of confidence that the paper would run it BECAUSE THEY PRINTED A LETTER BY ME YESTERDAY: http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=175046 Therefore I guess it would be unlikely the editors at the paper would run TWO letters by the same individual. The Herald is replete with radio stuff today: one item about a show no one will hear (shades of the Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby) on WTTT-AM: http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=175231 And the possibility that self-admitted prevaricator Tom Finneran could become an 'RKO talk show host: http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articledid=175334 -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 16:28:43 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:28:43 -0500 Subject: Herald: WRKO may sign Finneran for AM drive Message-ID: <20070104212844.0C1BD478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Herald: WRKO may sign Finneran for AM drive >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:20:17 -0500 >Entercom is still talking with former MA Speaker of the House Tom Finneran >about a show at the station, though apparently it's the AM Drive slot, >not DePetro's old 9-noon show. (Ironically enough, right now Howie >Carr's page on the 'RKO site has a poll as to whether or not Finneran >should be doing jail time. Yes is up to 91 per cent.) Whatever else you may think about Howie, he has gonads! He didn't hesitate to excoriate the washed-up and discredited Mike Barnicle EVEN while the Herald ran some of his tiresome retreads of columns! -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 4 16:29:07 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:07 -0700 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: >>Let me get this straight: radio in general is in a constant state of turmoil because of declining listening patterns (I believe a firm called Bridge Media has chronicled this) and defections of advertisers themselves to other media. Yet a powerful radio station in a major market keeps a guy on-the-air so a few business owners can get a "thrill" by hearing a couple of the station's employees voice their spots! Duh.<< Ain't no "thrill." The reason is lots o' money. Famous people have always sold things, whether it's Ronald Reagan touting General Electric products or Jay Severin plugging Ken's Steak House. Jay is famous in this market, and clearly the advertisers want him to voice their commercials. Advertisers pay a premium...sometimes a whopping premium...to get the on-air hosts to voice their spot. Whether or not it's ever been proven that identifiable personalities sell more of a product than a disembodied voice, I couldn't say...but as long as the advertisers believe it, the stations will offer it, and make lots o' bucks doing so. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From fox893@yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 15:40:15 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:40:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mike Gallgher In-Reply-To: <20070104173459.382581BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <782588.13856.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > >WAGM is gone? That was the first station I ever > consulted, way > >back in 1980. Boy, it's a long drive up to Presque > Isle from > >Boston... > That's actually where my wife and I are heading this weekend. Never realized there was a WAGM radio. Since I was a kid there was a WAGM-TV that operates as a CBS affil. ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 4 17:02:52 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:02:52 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio Message-ID: <20070104220255.312BB164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Yes, I saw that letter to the editor in the print version of today's Herald, and also the bit about the WTTT show. They mention Jimmi Carter working for WTTT--I believe he was the producer of Gene Burns' show on WRKO (Gene used to mention his name at the end of every show.) If they don't publish your letter of rebuttal since they might have a restriction about publishing two letters by the same individual in the same week, maybe someone else will. That WTTT show about the Middle East airs on Sunday afternoons and probably will befall the same fate (for the next few week or two at least) that Jeff Santos got with his WXKS/WKOX show: not just on a weak signal, but right up against the Patriots game! And yes, Finneran could well become a talk host at WRKO. "If you're indicted, you're invited", as Howie might say. I don't believe anything has popped up in the Globe or Phoenix about the loss of Air America Boston since the change actually happened, but the Herald had that article from last week about the effort to bring it back. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Jan 4 16:59:32 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:59:32 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher In-Reply-To: <782588.13856.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070104173459.382581BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <782588.13856.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200701042159.l04LxbKJ002767@mac.com> At 03:40 PM 1/4/2007, Cooper Fox wrote: >Never realized there was a WAGM radio. Since I was a >kid there was a WAGM-TV that operates as a CBS affil. I believe that at one time that station was an affiliate of all 3 networks that existed at the time. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From hykker@grolen.com Thu Jan 4 18:52:06 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:52:06 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070104184953.01a33ba8@grolen.com> Eli Polonsky wrote: >I think that talk radio has a MUCH larger audience who have >absolutely no intention of ever calling in and interacting >on the air than the amount of people who actually do. > >I'd imagine that the majority of listeners are content to >be vicariously entertained by the interaction of the host >and callers other than themselves. The minority of vocal >people who actually call in are entertaining the silent >majority of passive listeners who prefer to stay on the >sidelines and just take it all in, and they get the same >value out of a show that's a few hours old as one that's >broadcast live in real time. > >I'm guessing that if talk radio ratings were limited to >only the vocal people who may be likely to call in, the >whole format would have probably died decades ago. It's been said that less than 5% of your audience will EVER call the station for ANY reason...I'm sure the percentage of those who actually want to go on the air and argue with a talk host is considerably smaller. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 19:30:04 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:30:04 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio Message-ID: <20070105003004.61E42164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:02:52 -0500 >Yes, I saw that letter to the editor in the print version of >today's Herald, and also >the bit about the WTTT show. They mention Jimmi Carter working for >WTTT--I believe he >was the producer of Gene Burns' show on WRKO (Gene used to mention his name at >the end of every show.) >If they don't publish your letter of rebuttal since they might have >a restriction >about publishing two letters by the same individual in the same >week, maybe someone >else will. If I had submitted a letter, I'm not sure it would have been a rebuttal but more of a clarification. The writer cited a rating for WKOX/WXKS that was the 12-and-over Mon-thru-Sunday number. The outlets ranged from unreceivable at night (WXKS-AM) to somewhat constricted (WKOX with a fan-shaped pattern from downtown Framingham to some route 128 communities) During live Air America and Jones shows, there was enough listenership that the shows that accepted calls got plenty from Boston (you can't say that about WTTT) which isn't a lead-pipe criterion of avid listenership but indicatesd something higher than the number cited in the Herald. Al Franken did a live show from the W-i-i-i-i-i-llllbur Theater (managed by CCU so they got it essentially for free) and he nearly filled the place on a Monday afternoon, which is more than some shows there did on Saturday nights. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 4 18:39:52 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:39:52 -0500 Subject: Mike Gallgher References: <20070104173459.382581BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <782588.13856.qm@web39107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200701042159.l04LxbKJ002767@mac.com> Message-ID: <006601c73059$a232cf90$6501a8c0@pastor2> WAGM-TV is now affiliated solely with CBS, but from its inception until the '90s it was a primary CBS affiliate that had secondary affiliations with NBC and ABC. It was one of only two stations in the country that had that arrangement. Cable eliminated the need for it. WAGM used to carry news actualities from the CBC, too, and may still do it. I'm not sure. I don't get up that way very often. I'm halfway up the state, and Presque Isle is 5 hours from here! -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Mike Gallgher > At 03:40 PM 1/4/2007, Cooper Fox wrote: > > >Never realized there was a WAGM radio. Since I was a > >kid there was a WAGM-TV that operates as a CBS affil. > > I believe that at one time that station was an affiliate of all 3 > networks that existed at the time. > > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 4 19:41:28 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:41:28 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070105004129.DDB0C164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sid Schweiger" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:07 -0700 >Ain't no "thrill." The reason is lots o' money. Famous people have >always sold things, whether it's Ronald Reagan touting General Electric >products or Jay Severin plugging Ken's Steak House. Jay is famous in >this market, and clearly the advertisers want him to voice their >commercials. >Advertisers pay a premium...sometimes a whopping premium...to get the >on-air hosts to voice their spot. Whether or not it's ever been proven >that identifiable personalities sell more of a product than a >disembodied voice, I couldn't say...but as long as the advertisers >believe it, the stations will offer it, and make lots o' bucks doing >so. Yow...talk about missing the point. Whether a famous person voicing a spot sells cars or mediocre meals, it doesn't therefore make sense for a full-power major market station to let that person be a speed bump in their day's progression from morning drive, mid-morning, noonish, and afternoon drive. A couple of sources, a daily newspaper and some internet sites, have mentioned that Barnicles' ratings are sub-par. Maybe they erred, but it does appear that he puts out a less than stellar effort. If he rambles on about sports and plays music CD's in that one-hour, I don't see that as compelling radio; granted at this point there is no major competition from 9:00 am till 10:00 unless WRKO pulls out of its tailspin there. The BBC on WBUR is ok, but now NPR is thinking of putting on a "Morning Edition" clone for 18-to-49ers which WBUR could be expected to air in that time slot. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 4 22:00:09 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:00:09 -0700 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: >>Whether a famous person voicing a spot sells cars or mediocre meals, it doesn't therefore make sense for a full-power major market station to let that person be a speed bump in their day's progression from morning drive, mid-morning, noonish, and afternoon drive. A couple of sources, a daily newspaper and some internet sites, have mentioned that Barnicles' ratings are sub-par. Maybe they erred, but it does appear that he puts out a less than stellar effort. If he rambles on about sports and plays music CD's in that one-hour, I don't see that as compelling radio...<< So, because YOU don't see that as "compelling radio," or YOU think he doesn't give it his all, it makes no sense. Sure. One thing you learn being around radio sales people is that there are myriad ways to sell radio, and most have NOTHING to do with ratings. Barnicle is in the perfect place for his name and his talents: talk-radio, a format whose target demo is 35-64. Given that fact, plus the fact that the average age of newspaper readers these days is 65, those people know who he is and remember that he wrote for both Boston dailies. The bottom line here is literally the bottom line. If he wasn't making WTKK money, he'd be gone. Period. His salary would not be justifiable. The fact that he's there means that having him on the air brings in the bucks. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 5 01:10:51 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:10:51 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio In-Reply-To: <20070104212423.8D362478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <459DA59B.24262.711C77@localhost> On 4 Jan 2007 at 16:24, Laurence Glavin wrote: > An individual whose name I don't recognize from this list or > radio-info.com's Boston board sent a Letter to the Editor that > appeared in today's (012/04/07) paper. He opines about the > disappearance of "progressive" talk from WXKS-AM 1430 and WKOX-AM > 1200. The URL is as follows: A woman who stood just in front of me in the receiving line to shake hands with Governor Patrick this afternoon mentioned how upset she was at the fall of Air America. She didn't realize that the network was still operating, but had just lost its Boston affiliate. I set her straight and told her how to listen online, but she was still upset that she couldn't listen in her car any more. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 02:39:43 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 02:39:43 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070105004129.DDB0C164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <037a01c7309d$66edaec0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Yow...talk about missing the point. Whether a famous person voicing a > spot sells cars or mediocre meals, it doesn't therefore make sense for > a full-power major market station to let that person be a speed bump in their > day's progression from morning drive, mid-morning, noonish, and afternoon drive. Sometimes it does! As Sid pointed out, sometimes sales trumps programming! However, it's not just the live reads.... We're back to marquee value. But when you put the assetts of a station on one side and the debits on another...people like Barnicle and Franken end up on the asset side.....even with cruddy ratings. Barnicle is on MSNBC plenty....and on Chronicle....and his visibility certainly helps lift the station. Just like a name on a movie marquee can bring in people who wouldn't normally attend. Can just a name make a stinker movie a hit? Probably not, but studios have been doing the same thing for years. > >He is a current fill-in host on MSNBC. > > I occasionally view MSNBC, especially Keith Olbermann, but it's still the > third-ranked cable news outlet. If the population at-large is only > dimly aware of several of their headliners (Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough), > where does that place fill-ins? He fills in for Chris Matthews a lot. (And Chris Matthews is more popular than Carlson or Scarborough right now.) In any event, it's still it's a plus. > So, because YOU don't see that as "compelling radio," or YOU think he > doesn't give it his all, it makes no sense. You bet! ;-) Those of us who have been on BRI awhile know Mr. Glavin believes his tastes are the ones programmers should cater to... ;-) From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 5 04:18:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:18:36 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio Message-ID: <20070105091837.07A271024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Laurence wrote: >>If I had submitted a letter, I'm not sure it would have been a rebuttal but more of a clarification. The writer cited a rating for WKOX/WXKS that was the 12-and-over Mon-thru-Sunday number. Yes, and I have no access to their 25-54s... Agreed on their signal limitations. How would, say, Air America have done had it been at 850, 92.9, 96.9, etc.? By the way it now seems from WRKO's site that Feinburg has nailed down that 9-noon slot (sorry any Beck or Steph Miller fans) and will also continue to have his national show (weekends) aired there as well. Will Finneran get that morning drive show? He is due to plead his case in court today (and his perhaps-future-colleague Howie Carr says he'll be there). -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 5 04:38:19 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:38:19 -0500 Subject: Herald article on WRKO changes Message-ID: <20070105093819.9F0551158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=175444 Herald article says that at least for now, Todd Feinburg will air 9-noon on WRKO as the search for a permanent replacement for John DePetro continues. Meanwhile on non-game nights (such as last night), it will air Savage at 7 pm and Jerry Doyle at 10 pm, but when there are games, Savage will air at 10. Nothing like being consistently inconsistent. When's Savage on? Depends on whether or not the Sox or Celts have a game... >>Sources say one option being eyed for WRKO is a talk show with rotating cohosts and guests, similar to sister station WEEI?s ?The Big Show.? Interesting...and I wonder if sports talk content might wind up on WRKO somehow...? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Jan 5 12:51:58 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:51:58 +0000 Subject: Wikipedia: TV Schedules Copyrightable? Message-ID: <459E903E.3060509@Gmail.com> There is a debate over in Wikipedia that some of us Radio-TV geeks may find interesting??whether or not TV shedules are copyrightable!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Every_single_article_in_Category:Television_schedules P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 5 13:44:46 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:44:46 -0500 Subject: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio Message-ID: <20070105184450.08795478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org, "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Boston Herald LtE On Progressive Radio >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:10:51 >A woman who stood just in front of me in the receiving line to shake >hands with Governor Patrick this afternoon mentioned how upset she >was at the fall of Air America. She didn't realize that the network >was still operating, but had just lost its Boston affiliate. I set >her straight and told her how to listen online, but she was still >upset that she couldn't listen in her car any more. That's an excellent story Joe. Why not put together a letter to the editor at the Herald with that information; they might just publish it. It also answers the writer here who conflates broadcast radio and iPods(tm) and the internets. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 5 13:56:15 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:56:15 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070105185619.BF4AC4780B1@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Sid Schweiger" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 02:39:43 -0500 >Those of us who have been on BRI awhile know Mr. Glavin believes his tastes are the ones programmers should cater to... ;-) Hmmm, let's see...there a reports (not by me) that the Barnicle enterprise has not been a ratings leader, so to paraphrase Eddie McCormick "if Mike Barnicle's name had been John DePetro(sp?) he'd be gone by now". If he had been ratings challenged especially when Stephanie Miller was available in convenient form (i.e. terrestrial radio), I might not be alone in such an opinion. And let's look at] (definitely NOT listen to) WCRB in its last year under the ownership of Charles River Breeding Laboratories, I mean Broadcasting (I always get them confused)...a 12-plus ratings decline of a full-percentage point (to exactly the same number in the latest Artbitrends(tm) as the vastly superior KING-FM Seattle in a similar-sized market) and a decline in REVENUE of about one-million dollars accoring to bostonradiowatch.com. Wow... if they weren't in the process of being sold, they definitely could have used the services of a consultant who thought like ME. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 14:01:48 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:01:48 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070105185619.BF4AC4780B1@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2faa101c730fb$f9927cc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > >Those of us who have been on BRI awhile know Mr. Glavin believes his tastes > are the ones programmers should cater to... ;-) > > > >> they definitely >> could have used the services of a consultant who thought like ME. I think there will come a day when you will pine for the days of Mario Mazza and Charles River Broadcasting. ;-) From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 14:06:19 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:06:19 -0500 Subject: After guilty plea, Finneran says : 'I am truly sorry' Message-ID: <2faa701c730fc$968467a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Finneran: Guilty Plea By Shelley Murphy, Globe Staff "Former House speaker Thomas M. Finneran avoided prison time by pleading guilty today to obstruction of justice in exchange for federal prosecutors' dropping perjury charges against him." Now that he's pleaded guilty and avoided jail time, he can take the WRKO job! From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 5 15:06:01 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:06:01 -0500 Subject: After guilty plea, Finneran says : 'I am truly sorry' Message-ID: <20070105200603.812FA1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> The Herald said that Entercom will meet with Finneran next week to discuss that job. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 5 15:08:15 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:08:15 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes Message-ID: <20070105200816.3A3F91F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "Sid Schweiger" , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:01:4 > >I think There's no evidence of that. > there will come a day when you will pine for the days of Mario Mazza >and Charles River Broadcasting. ;-) I'd have to have a lobotomy first. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 15:13:05 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:13:05 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070105200816.3A3F91F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2fc7401c73105$ef16e100$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > > there will come a day when you will pine for the days of Mario Mazza > >and Charles River Broadcasting. ;-) > > I'd have to have a lobotomy first. Or at least come out from your self-centered world. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 5 15:13:26 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:13:26 -0500 Subject: After guilty plea, Finneran says : 'I am truly sorry' Message-ID: <20070105201326.3D7F11F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "Don A." , "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Re: After guilty plea, Finneran says : 'I am truly sorry' >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:06:01 -0500 >The Herald said that Entercom will meet with Finneran next week >to discuss that job. Dan Kennedy's media blog, available through Romenesko, compares the Herald's coverage with that of the Globe concerning Finneran's job longevity at the Biotech Council. The Tomster is making BIG BUX there and it appears to me that WRKO couldn't compete unless they fired the news staff just to afford him! Only if the Herald is right and his tenure as a flack is in jeopardy could I see him taking the pay cut and appearing at 680 on the AM dial. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 15:15:02 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:15:02 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes References: <20070105200816.3A3F91F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2fc8a01c73106$302bf360$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > I'd have to have a lobotomy first. You never know, try it, might be an improvement. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 5 17:25:42 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:25:42 -0500 Subject: Wikipedia: TV Schedules Copyrightable? Message-ID: <20070105222543.7D016164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Wikipedia: TV Schedules Copyrightable? >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:51:58 +0000 >There is a debate over in Wikipedia that some of us Radio-TV geeks >may find interesting??whether or not TV shedules are >copyrightable!: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Every_single_article_in_Category:Television_schedules >P=) P=) P=) >~Kaimbridge~ >----- >Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: Yikes...to quote Don Imus, it makes my hair hurt. I'm also a Wikipedia member...my latest edit was to the entry for 'Peter Lieberson'. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge >***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Jan 5 23:22:52 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 23:22:52 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Herald: WTKK lineup changes In-Reply-To: <2fc8a01c73106$302bf360$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20070105200816.3A3F91F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> <2fc8a01c73106$302bf360$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17823.9244.759816.637244@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: >> I'd have to have a lobotomy first. > You never know, try it, might be an improvement. This is not acceptable behavior on this list. -GAWollman From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Jan 8 09:31:22 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:31:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAGM-TV Message-ID: <20070108143123.27572.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last week, there was talk of WAGM(Presque Isle ME) radio and TV. I had a chance to watch WAGM while I was home(Houlton) over the weekend. This must be due to small market size, but they are running a combo of CBS and Fox programming. I saw promos for the Pats/Jets game(CBS) followed by a promo for the new season of 24(Fox). Anywhere else this happens? ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jan 8 14:13:23 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:13:23 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM Lowell Transmitter On-Air (With IBOC?) Message-ID: <20070108191333.F0FAA1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Just to acquaint BRIGgers in other pahts of New England: WLLH-AM 1400 is licensed to Lowell, MA, and if you went by the fcc.gov's website, you'd never know there's a 70-year-old experimental authorization for a synchronous operation in Lawrence. As Mark Watson has pointed out, one of the transmitters (lately Lowell) can go off-the-air and the other covers the area at least during the day. Well, a couple of weeks ago, the Lowell transmitter powered down making the "experimental" antenna the WLLH tower of record. My travels took me to Lowell today, and just for fun, I went over to the transmitter site, and lo and behold, WLLH Lowell was on-the-air... not only that, but there was significan hash from 1350 to 1430 (so you had WLLH hash fighting it out with WXKS hash). It's possible that the engineers had taken WLLH/Lowell off-the-air to install the IBOC system, which raises deux questions (a little French lingo): if this hash is due to HD AM radio facilities being installed, have they yet done so at the mother ship, WAMG-AM 890 COL Dedham? If not, why would they do so at a satellite outlet and not near Boston...please anyone in the western suburbs of Boston,check to see if there's hash where you are at 860,870,880,900,910 or 920. Second question: considering that you have two stations transmitting on the same fequency, with about the same power output, if one is running IBOC and the other isn't (and WLLH/Lawrence is not causing interference with the 1380 and 1420 NH stations I can receive) what would a possible HD AM receiver do if it's getting a station that's both IN IBOC mode and NOT in IBOC mode. If you're mainly picking up WLLH/Lawrence, but SOME energy from WLLH/Lowell, will it take the digital signal from the latter and discard the former? Of course, if they install IBOC in Lawrence, then all of the above is irrelevant...it may be irrelevant anyway; what's the audience for network sports talk in Lawrence or Lowell anyway? -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Jan 8 16:24:45 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:24:45 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM Lowell Transmitter On-Air (With IBOC?) References: <20070108191333.F0FAA1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002f01c7336b$70723a80$19eefea9@satpro4600> It's possible that WAMG's complex five-tower array, diplexed at night with 1060 and not broadbanded at either frequency, makes IBOC infeasible on the 890 signal. WHYN in Springfiled was deemed inapproptiate for IBOC, in part because of the narrow bandwidth of its electrically short towers. Seattle's 950, which is diplexed with 820 and not far away on Vashon Island from 570, 710, 1000, and the 1090/770 diplex, was deemed unsuited because all of the filtering to suppress intermodulation with the nearby signals was already too complex. (With the exception of 570, all of the Seattle stations mentioned run 50 kW-D and four of them also run 50 kW at night.) It would not surprise me to learn that New York's 1010 and 1050, Phildelphia's 1060, and South Jersey's 1040 will never run IBOC. Every AM must be evaluated separately. Also, are you sure that the hash you heard was, indeed, IBOC? You mentioned hash from 1350 to 1430. That frequency range is not symmetrical about 1400. IBOC hash is supposed to be symmetrical about the carrier frequency. If it is not, the system works poorly or not at all. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: WLLH-AM Lowell Transmitter On-Air (With IBOC?) > Just to acquaint BRIGgers in other pahts of New England: > WLLH-AM 1400 is licensed to Lowell, MA, and if you went by the > fcc.gov's website, you'd never know there's a 70-year-old > experimental authorization for a synchronous operation in Lawrence. > As Mark Watson has pointed out, one of the transmitters (lately > Lowell) can go off-the-air and the other covers the area at least > during the day. Well, a couple of weeks ago, the Lowell transmitter > powered down making the "experimental" antenna the WLLH tower of record. > My travels took me to Lowell today, and just for fun, I went over to the > transmitter site, and lo and behold, WLLH Lowell was on-the-air... > not only that, but there was significan hash from 1350 to 1430 (so > you had WLLH hash fighting it out with WXKS hash). It's possible > that the engineers had taken WLLH/Lowell off-the-air to install the IBOC > system, which raises deux questions (a little French lingo): if this > hash is due to HD AM radio facilities being installed, have they yet > done so at the mother ship, WAMG-AM 890 COL Dedham? If not, why > would they do so at a satellite outlet and not near Boston...please > anyone in the western suburbs of Boston,check to see if there's hash > where you are at 860,870,880,900,910 or 920. Second question: considering > that you have two stations transmitting on the same fequency, with about > the same power output, if one is running IBOC and the other isn't > (and WLLH/Lawrence is not causing interference with the 1380 and 1420 NH > stations I can receive) what would a possible HD AM receiver do if it's getting > a station that's both IN IBOC mode and NOT in IBOC mode. If you're > mainly picking up WLLH/Lawrence, but SOME energy from WLLH/Lowell, > will it take the digital signal from the latter and discard the former? > Of course, if they install IBOC in Lawrence, then all of the above is > irrelevant...it may be irrelevant anyway; what's the audience for network > sports talk in Lawrence or Lowell anyway? > > -- > Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks > Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0 e3c8c61e > > From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 9 13:19:42 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:19:42 -0500 Subject: WLLH-AM Lowell Transmitter On-Air (With IBOC?) Message-ID: <20070109181952.F3E5D1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: WLLH-AM Lowell Transmitter On-Air (With IBOC?) >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:24:45 -0500 > Also, are you sure that the hash you heard was, indeed, IBOC? >You mentioned hash from 1350 to 1430. That frequency range is not >symmetrical about 1400. IBOC hash is supposed to be symmetrical about the >carrier frequency. If it is not, the system works poorly or not at all. No I'm not sure, which is why I put a question mark at the end of the title. Remember, I went directly to the tower on the Lowell/Lawrence Blvd near the UMass Lowell campus and did my testing with my car radio and headset radio. So the "assymetrical" finding was the result of being so close to the tower...WNNW-AM 800's hash can be heard of WJIB and WEEI as I drive by the tower on route 93. In the latter case, the tower is VISIBLE but with WLLH/Lowell, I was just YARDS away. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Jan 10 15:54:57 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: CBA-1070 Moncton, NB going off Message-ID: <8C90310B8725BA3-680-79C2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Below includes comments that I made on another list, but possibly of interest here: << 4. The CBC confirmed that it would ensure that the area currently covered by CBA would be served by the proposed new transmitter, or by one of its existing FM transmitters that currently serve the Moncton area, namely CBAA-FM Newcastle and CBAE-FM Campbellton, New Brunswick. >> Hmmm, (tongue firmly in cheek) does that mean they've somehow got an FM rig that will hit me here in metro-Boston with the same beautiful S9+50 signal that CBA-1070 cranks in here on any non-auroral night ? I do enjoy CBC programming, especially when they're spotlighting Canadian music showing Celtic, British-folk, or indigenous-peoples influences. CBA was a regular button when I used to do a lot of long night drives to and from Cape Cod. If the FM doesn't make the 300-mile trip (and I seriously doubt that it will), that means the CBC Newfies (540, 600, 640, 990) are my last hope. None of these is quite as strong or interference-free as good ol' CBA though. Bummer. Oh yeah, someone will say "listen on the Internet". A few of you may have WiFi or cellular hookups that would allow you to do this in rush-hour traffic, but I'm not there yet. Maybe I have to get XM or Sirius. And so one more free entertainment option is removed from the listening public. Like all those oldies and big-band stations that converted to extreme political talk and foreign languages. Someone please set the wayback machine to about '67. Boy do I sound like a total geezer! Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA === FM from Nova Scotia or NB...maybe a few times a year (with a signal that's listen-able). I've had some killer signals the past couple of years at my QTH in Hingham MA. But I'm going to miss it for the same reasons as you Mark. I too can listen on the internet or on Sirius ( but the Sirius CBC programming lineup is not the same as CBA's and is all at different times as compared to CBA). I'll miss listening to "Northern Lights" on the Tivoli as I drift off to sleep. Another Old Geezer (is 51 old?) Keith McGinnis Hingham MA === FM skip reception has always been a dodgy thing, especially when in vehicular motion at typical highway speed. I should be happy that a huge "pesty" signal is being removed from 1070, making the channel more DX-able. But I do care about programming content and entertainment too: there's a whole lot less of that on AM every day. I will miss CBA. I also miss CHTN-720 and CHNS-960 with the Canadian Content oldies by Gordon Lightfoot, Joni Mitchell, etc. as well as the Celtic-influenced style of country that had sometimes been featured on CFCY-630, CHSJ-700, and CKBW-1000. None of the replacement FM's puts one iota of signal into this area. The AM's used to be blasters. 700 was huge at mid-day (!) anywhere near the MA coast. Oh well, at this point CD's are becoming the main in-car entertainment for me other than WBZ news. With music radio becoming less relevant and listener choices so fragmented, I already miss the SHARED aspect of chatting up "what I heard today on the radio" with family, friends, co-workers, etc. No one talks about favorite DJ's anymore. In an earlier age Boston had household names like Maxanne Sartori, Charles Laquidara, John H. Garabedian, Arnie Ginsberg, Dick Summer, and so on. Each had a unique style and many playlist surprises. People would talk about the DJ's and the tunes in school, on job sites, and at yard parties. I don't see anything all that inspiring about talkshow hosts especially since David Brudnoy (of WBZ) "checked out" a couple of years back. Savage, Limbaugh ... BORING! And all the tunes are satellite fed with "zip" personality and minimal localization. Anything that came out pre-1964 (or is it pre-1974 now?) seems to be relegated to the dumper anyway. With 1070, from a purely DX standpoint, Spain and other TA's on 1071 will get substantially easier here since CBA was right on the same bearing as European DX. It trashed 1071 mercilessly most of the time. The CBA departure won't make as much difference on the 1070 Latinos since aurora typically takes down CBA (as well as weaker co-channel CHOK) to leave stuff like Venezuela's often-dominant "Mundial Zulia", the Colombians, Cubans, etc. more or less in the clear. Maybe Argentina (that I used to hear in West Yarmouth once in a while) will have a better chance. I guess French Guiana, another occasional '80s-era 1070 catch from the Cape, is gone however. Is 51 old ? When I was 17, anybody over 40 was "wicked old" (as would often be heard in conversations at the pizza shop across from Arlington High School). Now that 51 is 6 years in the rearview mirror for me, it's borderline kid-like. Just "geezing along" and trying to find something half decent to justify turning on my AM radios. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 10 16:53:28 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:53:28 -0500 Subject: CBA-1070 Moncton, NB going off In-Reply-To: <8C90310B8725BA3-680-79C2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C90310B8725BA3-680-79C2@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200701102153.l0ALrVSW013541@mac.com> At 03:54 PM 1/10/2007, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: >Oh yeah, someone will say "listen on the Internet". A few of you may >have WiFi or cellular hookups that would allow you to do this in >rush-hour traffic, but I'm not there yet. Maybe I have to get XM or Sirius. If you want to listen to CBC programming, you definitely want Sirius. There is no CBC programming on XM. Sirius 137 is mostly news and talk programming, some of it rebroadcast at east and west coast times. For instance, The 2 hr block of World at Six and As it Happens on weekdays is 5-7 PM and then repeated 9-11 PM, Eastern time. There's not much music on the channel, and it is broadcast with a bandwidth suitable more for talk than for music. The channel carries only national programs, nothing regional. CBC Radio 3 is also on Sirius, but Radio 2 is not. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 10 19:36:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:36:56 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal Message-ID: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Boston Herald and Ch. 25 are both reporting that WRKO and Tom Finneran have indeed struck a deal. It would be for the "high profile" morning slot, and he may start within the next month. The Herald is saying an announcement is expected at 11 am tomorrow. Reaction at the WRKO messageboard is quite negative. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=176383 I still wonder if Entercom might put all their sports on 680 and move the political talk to 850. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From me@billoneill.us Wed Jan 10 22:31:15 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:31:15 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > Boston Herald and Ch. 25 are both reporting that WRKO and Tom Finneran have indeed struck a deal. > It would be for the "high profile" morning slot, and he may start within the next month. Hey now, talk about a voice for radio. Oh my. So, is Boston still in the Top Ten? [cough] Bill O'Neill From m1bz@hotmail.com Wed Jan 10 22:43:54 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:43:54 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> Message-ID: RKO is throwing you-know-what against the wall to see what sticks. >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: Bob Nelson >CC: BostonRadio Mailing List > >Subject: Re: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:31:15 -0500 > >Bob Nelson wrote: >>Boston Herald and Ch. 25 are both reporting that WRKO and Tom Finneran >>have indeed struck a deal. >>It would be for the "high profile" morning slot, and he may start within >>the next month. > >Hey now, talk about a voice for radio. Oh my. So, is Boston still in the >Top Ten? [cough] > >Bill O'Neill _________________________________________________________________ Communicate instantly! Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jan 11 06:08:00 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:08:00 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> References: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> Message-ID: Bill O inquired... > > Hey now, talk about a voice for radio. Oh my. So, is Boston > still in > the Top Ten? [cough] > no, thankfully boston is now #11 or something, so it must be okay to put never-before-in-the-biz folks on in morning drive, giving so much hope to the future broadcasters who are maybe voice-tracking an overnight shift somewhere in a small new england town with dreams of landing a big gig someday. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Jan 11 10:29:52 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:29:52 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: CBA-1070 Moncton, NB going off Message-ID: <45A657F0.1090100@Gmail.com> Mark Connelly, WA1ION, wrote, > With 1070, from a purely DX standpoint, Spain and other > TA's on 1071 will get substantially easier here since CBA > was right on the same bearing as European DX. Even better, on an "ionospherically rich" night, maybe there will be a chance for us East Coasters to nab LA's KNX? ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 11 10:47:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:47:24 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal Message-ID: <20070111154729.9AB5710398@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Chuck wrote: >>no, thankfully boston is now #11 or something, so it must be okay to put never-before-in-the-biz folks on in morning drive, giving so much hope to the future broadcasters who are maybe voice-tracking an overnight shift somewhere in a small new england town with dreams of landing a big gig someday. I remember when Peter Blute was given a tryout in Howie's slot. He sounded a little rough, but later when he was doing the morning show (paired with Moes, and later Ozone, then Scotto) he sounded a little better. Maybe having someone else to banter with-- which is apparently what WRKO is doing--will help. One caller this morning to Feinburg's show said they heard Finneran do a show (think he did a fill on WRKO, or maybe WBZ) and "there were a lot of pauses". Which is where the co-host comes in, to help fill those in... A small sample of Feinburg's show today had callers who mostly said they wouldn't be tuning in to the new show. One caller said they'd give him a listen, "but if he's not good, I'm turning it off". A prominent black activist, Sadiki Kambon, called in to say that maybe WRKO would be putting Whitey Bulger on air should he come out of hiding, and that Jerry Williams was turning over in his grave. Another caller said she was a conservative who enjoyed shows like Feinburg, but she didn't like Celtics or Red Sox, and was disappointed to hear Mariellen Burns in on a Saturday instead of Todd. And some listeners felt there was a double standard: John Depetro (whose name was bleeped out) was fired for saying a couple controversial things but wasn't given a second chance, while Finneran has been convicted of perjury and is being given one. (Well, at least it can be said that Finneran's transgression was something he did OUTSIDE of WRKO's employ...) -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 11 10:51:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:51:54 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal Message-ID: <20070111155156.DC86110335@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >>Hey now, talk about a voice for radio. Oh my. So, is Boston still in the Top Ten? [cough] Well, a national talk radio network (that is no longer heard in Boston, hint) did hire a certain "molasses-dripped voice" belonging to a Saturday Night Live writer and performer, to be on air in places like NY and LA... -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Jan 11 10:52:27 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:52:27 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: References: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <17830.23867.477442.896196@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < no, thankfully boston is now #11 or something, so it must be okay to > put never-before-in-the-biz folks on in morning drive, Finneran has done fill-in for Sullivan on WBZ. I never listen beyond the opening monologue, and I don't usually give fill-ins even that long, so I can't say whether he was any good. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 11 11:31:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:31:56 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal Message-ID: <20070111163157.9517110353@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" >>Finneran has done fill-in for Sullivan on WBZ. I never listen beyond the opening monologue, and I don't usually give fill-ins even that long, so I can't say whether he was any good. A press conference was just aired on WRKO. Finneran's start date will be Feb 12. Scott Allen Miller will continue in his current slot until then and he may wind up elsewhere at Entercom after his show ends. Finneran says the show will feature everything from politics to sports (oh, the press conference just ended and the first caller said it was a sad day for the station, and the caller said Finneran was an "arrogant, condescending, liar"). I think it was said Finneran might appear on Howie's show later today but I could be wrong. When asked about Howie, Finneran said "at one time, Howie thought I was a rising star. Now he thinks I'm a fraud". Wolfe and Kahn said they knew WRKO had to have local content, not something piped in from LA or NY. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 13 07:41:25 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:41:25 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <001b01c73710$3c511660$19eefea9@satpro4600> Is it that I haven't been listening attentively enough to WCRB or are there really TWO Dave MacNeils who announce there? If so, I imagine that they are father and son. The elder gentleman does overnights a few nights a week (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday?). His name is definitely Dave MacNeil. The younger gentleman, whose name I THINK is also Dave MacNeil (but I could be wrong) does the news on Laura Carlo's AM drive segment Monday thru Friday (except when one of many fill-in voices from Metro Networks does it). The younger fellow may also host some music on weekends. I have not been able to distinguish when, if ever, WCRB's music intros are not voicetracked, but I suspect that, at a minimum, Carlo's shift is not fully voicetracked on weekdays (At least, I think she is live for part (maybe all) of her weekday shift; she makes too many mentions of the current weather.) However, it would take only one part-timer to voicetrack an entire week. Can't take more than five or six minutes to voicetrack a full hour of classical--unless some commercials are read, umm, live (meaning voicetracked specifically for a particular shift--as opposed to being pre-recorded for use at any time). -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Jan 13 20:47:54 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:47:54 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c7377e$05585330$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> WRKO is just falling the lead of WGAN in that regard. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of chuckigo@maine.rr.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:08 AM > To: Bill O'Neill > Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Re: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal > > no, thankfully boston is now #11 or something, so it must be okay to > put never-before-in-the-biz folks on in morning drive, giving so much > hope to the future broadcasters who are maybe voice-tracking an > overnight shift somewhere in a small new england town with dreams of > landing a big gig someday. From PaulBCurrier@comcast.net Sat Jan 13 08:00:34 2007 From: PaulBCurrier@comcast.net (Paul B Currier) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:00:34 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold References: <20070111003657.A823F102A8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com><45A5AF83.6070205@billoneill.us> <17830.23867.477442.896196@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001001c73712$d06caab0$123f434b@DG07P241> Cape radio Two Cape radio stations sold More than a year after the radio stations first went on the market, Cape Cod's WFCC-FM and WKPE-FM are finally being sold. Info on www.capecodonline.com business section. Paul Cape Cod From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 13 23:17:33 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:17:33 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal References: <000401c7377e$05585330$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <002901c73792$eb3d8960$0301a8c0@Family> in regards to my thoughts on putting non-radio professionals in key on-air shifts, such as morning drive, Dan B offered: >>WRKO is just falling the lead of WGAN in that regard. ;-) << so Mike Violette's 25+ years of broadcast experience don't meet that criteria? i'll remind him of your views on this next time you and/or your organization(s) have an agenda you wish to expound upon by way of the WGAN morning show. WGAN has managed to at least incorporate one broadcast pro with a non-traditional co-host in the mornings. the exception being when Ken was brought on to co-host with Mike McArdle - between them they had about 2 years experience. however - Mike McArdle, extended an invitation to audition for co-host due to his very eloquent positions put forth as a regular caller, was an absolute exception in that he caught on to broadcast thinking very quickly and was more than qualified to lead the very green Ken through the steps. my only regret at this point in my career is that i have not been convicted of a felony, and am more than likely now disqualified from future major market gigs. - -Chuck Igo From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 14 01:33:53 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:33:53 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold In-Reply-To: <001001c73712$d06caab0$123f434b@DG07P241> Message-ID: <45A98881.29005.663FFF@localhost> On 13 Jan 2007 at 8:00, Paul B Currier wrote: > Cape radio > Two Cape radio stations sold > More than a year after the radio stations first went on the market, > Cape Cod's WFCC-FM and WKPE-FM are finally being sold. I wonder whether this means the end of classical music on WFCC. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 14 01:33:53 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:33:53 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <001b01c73710$3c511660$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <45A98881.14538.6641CB@localhost> On 13 Jan 2007 at 7:41, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I have not been able to distinguish when, if ever, WCRB's music intros > are not voicetracked, but I suspect that, at a minimum, Carlo's shift > is not fully voicetracked on weekdays (At least, I think she is live > for part (maybe all) of her weekday shift; she makes too many mentions > of the current weather.) However, it would take only one part-timer to > voicetrack an entire week. Can't take more than five or six minutes to > voicetrack a full hour of classical--unless some commercials are read, > umm, live (meaning voicetracked specifically for a particular > shift--as opposed to being pre-recorded for use at any time). I don't know, but I've noticed that since the switch, WCRB has seemed to think they're competing with Bob Bittner's WJIB. They use liners like "where Boston comes to relax" and note that they always tell the names of the music they play. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sun Jan 14 02:51:53 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:51:53 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold In-Reply-To: <45A98881.29005.663FFF@localhost> References: <45A98881.29005.663FFF@localhost> Message-ID: <726811bc248481d2c36c4e00212460d9@charter.net> Sandab, the owners of WQRC and WOCN are purchasing WFCC and WKPE-FM. All Access had a quick note on it and according to them, WFCC will retain their classical format once the sale closes. I'm actually surprised that Nassau didn't wind up with these stations, since they just bought the two Frank-FM's on the Cape not that long ago. WFCC would have been a natural fit with the new classical network they're setting up at WCRB. --Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:33 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 13 Jan 2007 at 8:00, Paul B Currier wrote: > >> Cape radio >> Two Cape radio stations sold >> More than a year after the radio stations first went on the market, >> Cape Cod's WFCC-FM and WKPE-FM are finally being sold. > > I wonder whether this means the end of classical music on WFCC. > From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Jan 14 08:13:36 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:13:36 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold References: <45A98881.29005.663FFF@localhost> <726811bc248481d2c36c4e00212460d9@charter.net> Message-ID: <016701c737dd$cdb79890$6501a8c0@pastor2> While we're on the subject of Nassau's new classical network: It'll be interesting to hear what they come up with. I was in Mass. for several days last week and listened to WCRB during most of my driving time there. The format is decidedly "classical lite," as some on the Board have indicated --- quite different from the WCRB I knew years ago. That's not the case with Nassau's Maine Classical Network. It isn't that one hears, for example, modern atonal music very often, but the stations do play a large amount of comparatively little-known selections. I wonder to what extent that may change. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Cc: ; "Paul B Currier" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold > Sandab, the owners of WQRC and WOCN are purchasing WFCC and WKPE-FM. > All Access had a quick note on it and according to them, WFCC will > retain their classical format once the sale closes. I'm actually > surprised that Nassau didn't wind up with these stations, since they > just bought the two Frank-FM's on the Cape not that long ago. WFCC > would have been a natural fit with the new classical network they're > setting up at WCRB. > > --Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Jan 14, 2007, at 1:33 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > > > On 13 Jan 2007 at 8:00, Paul B Currier wrote: > > > >> Cape radio > >> Two Cape radio stations sold > >> More than a year after the radio stations first went on the market, > >> Cape Cod's WFCC-FM and WKPE-FM are finally being sold. > > > > I wonder whether this means the end of classical music on WFCC. > > > From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Jan 14 14:23:10 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:23:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <20070114192310.9B7ABF914@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Joe Ross wrote: >On 13 Jan 2007 at 7:41, Dan Strassberg wrote: >> I have not been able to distinguish when, if ever, WCRB's music intros >> are not voicetracked, but I suspect that, at a minimum, Carlo's shift >> is not fully voicetracked on weekdays (At least, I think she is live >> for part (maybe all) of her weekday shift; she makes too many mentions >> of the current weather.) It was ages ago (decades!) so this isn't relevant, just a good anecdote, and long enough ago I'm not confident all the details are right. Laura Carlo and Mary Ann Nichols were the WCRB "Morning Team" and one morning Nichols played what she thought was a PSA from the Council on Aging. Instead, it was an announcement by someone (very possibly Dave MacNeil) reporting that both women shared a birthday and that today was their birthday. To their credit, they let it play to the final "Surprise!" and after a commercial explained how they'd been hacked and had no suspicion of the trick. >I don't know, but I've noticed that since the switch, WCRB has seemed >to think they're competing with Bob Bittner's WJIB. They use liners >like "where Boston comes to relax" and note that they always tell the >names of the music they play. I don't know what WJIB says, but WCRB says something like "where we always name the music after each long set." Where "long set" apparently often is a single work (or fragment). I get the feeling there's a pop music director who's been assigned to WCRB to make it more current (well, the styles, not the music!) and thinks that any stretch of music greater than 5 minutes is long. -Ric Werme From lglavin@mail.com Sun Jan 14 13:29:30 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:29:30 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold Message-ID: <20070114182931.1B1DB1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Drown" >To: "David Tomm" , "A. Joseph Ross" >Subject: Re: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:13:36 -0500 >While we're on the subject of Nassau's new classical network: It'll be >interesting to hear what they come up with. I was in Mass. for several days >last week and listened to WCRB during most of my driving time there. The >format is decidedly "classical lite," as some on the Board have >indicated --- quite different from the WCRB I knew years ago. That's not >the case with Nassau's Maine Classical Network. It isn't that one hears, >for example, modern atonal music very often, but the stations do play a >large amount of comparatively little-known selections. I wonder to what >extent that may change. By "comparatively little-known compositions", you may be referring to obscure-and-forgotten pieces by deservedly obscure-and-forgotten composers who toiled in the 18th- and early 19th-centuries. When WCRB had a functioning website (which, a month-and-a-half after the switch, it still doesn't although promising to have one SOON) one could peruse the playlist and see the output of such immortals as Pla, Rathgeber, Zachow, Wagenseil and Herschel (actually most remembered for his work in astronomy). This dreck was interspersed with the "classical top-40" as filler, such as in cat food. It served to dilute the monotony ever so slightly and to give the "impression" one is hearing classical music (although very few impressionistsic pieces ever made the playlist.) -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From lglavin@mail.com Sun Jan 14 15:10:19 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:10:19 -0500 Subject: Sacre Bleu! Pas de Radioffusion En Francais Sur WJIB Message-ID: <20070114201019.BB9C81CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> According to another website, the Franch language radio newscast that has aired weekdays on WJIB-AM for quite a while is now defunct. Although WJIB owner Bob Bittner is not happy about this development, it adds a couple of hours a day in which he can retain the audience that is attracted to the station in the first place! 'JAMN...watch out. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Jan 14 20:44:45 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:44:45 -0500 Subject: Problems since the Ch 56 takeover Message-ID: <012d01c73846$bc48c3e0$6500a8c0@Office> Just got off the phone with WHDH Master Control.....I was asking why they were transmitting CW Network programming in regular mode instead of hi-def........i checked with friends in Conn and NY first to make sure that they were seeing it in hi-def and they were......since the Ch 56 switching was transferred to Bullfinch Place this has become a common occurance. I didn't spend thousands of dollars for a high def TV and a higher monthly charge for a hi-def cable box to have the local affiliate not bother to pass it through the way the network sends it. According to the Master Control operator lady I spoke to - she was going by the log - it said upconverted , not hi-def,so that is how they are passing it. Thanks for nothing! G -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Jan 14 20:53:43 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:53:43 -0500 Subject: Problems since the Ch 56 takeover In-Reply-To: <012d01c73846$bc48c3e0$6500a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <01dc01c73847$fd09cd60$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Just got off the phone with WHDH Master Control.....I was asking why they > were transmitting CW Network programming in regular mode instead of > hi-def........i checked with friends in Conn and NY first to make sure > that > they were seeing it in hi-def and they were......since the Ch 56 switching > was transferred to Bullfinch Place this has become a common occurance. I > didn't spend thousands of dollars for a high def TV and a higher monthly > charge for a hi-def cable box to have the local affiliate not bother to > pass > it through the way the network sends it. According to the Master Control > operator lady I spoke to - she was going by the log - it said upconverted > , > not hi-def,so that is how they are passing it. Thanks for nothing! I haven't checked lately, but for the first couple days after the change, WLVI's ID shown on the bottom of the screen at the top of the hour was saying "WLVI-TV/WLVI-DT 56 BOSTON." Someone over there didn't (or doesn't) realize that 56's COL is Cambridge, not Boston. Just a little nitpick, but its something I noticed... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Jan 14 21:48:00 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:48:00 -0500 Subject: WFCC & WKPE finally being sold In-Reply-To: <20070114182931.1B1DB1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001201c7384f$961a0d10$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > By "comparatively little-known compositions", you may be referring to > obscure-and-forgotten pieces by deservedly > obscure-and-forgotten composers > who toiled in the 18th- and early 19th-centuries. When WCRB had a > functioning website (which, a month-and-a-half after the > switch, it still > doesn't although promising to have one SOON) one could peruse > the playlist > and see the output of such immortals as Pla, Rathgeber, > Zachow, Wagenseil > and Herschel (actually most remembered for his work in > astronomy). This dreck > was interspersed with the "classical top-40" as filler, such > as in cat food. > It served to dilute the monotony ever so slightly and to give the > "impression" one is hearing classical music (although very > few impressionistsic > pieces ever made the playlist.) > > -- > Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks > Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police > discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, > filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df235 3d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e At the bottom of your diatribe about the WCRB playlist, I couldn't help but notice the ad for gas masks. Is this a public service to help us protect ourselves from the aforereferenced hot air? Sorry, couldn't resist. Brian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Jan 14 21:56:45 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:56:45 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:46:00 GMT." <011420072046.19084.45AA96840005747600004A8C2160376021099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> Message-ID: <20070115025645.56469F8F7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > ... WCRB arch-enemy and tormenter, Laurence Glavin, apparently doesn't > count single symphony movements as any kind of play of the work because > he has said repeatedly that WCRB NEVER plays Beethoven's Ninth. Isn't there some special exception for classical stations to have the legal ID not as close to the hour? CDs were designed to fit Beethoven's 9th on a single CD, about 74 minutes. Perhaps the best way to handle it is have a movement end at the top of the hour and use a special whispered ID, maybe with a little paper rustling and coughing for that live effect. :-) When WCRB had listener's vote for the "Top 40", the 9th always won, and did get played in entirety. > I've heard the Finale twice in less than a week, but never any of the first three movements. Laurence is likely the kind of purist who says that playing one movement of a symphony is worse than not playing any of it. I can appreciate that, but if symphonies must be fully played, then so should Ma Vlast, which contains The Moldau (a key top-40 piece), as should ballets, choral works, etc. > One thing that they were doing that bugged me but that they now seem to have stopped, is referring to the station on the air as Boston's classical music STATION--99.5 WCRB. Geez; if they hadn't told me, I never would have guessed that it was a station. (Of course, that COULD be because I'm a radio geek.) In the last day or so, though, I've heard "on Boston's Classical 99.5, WCRB" a few times. Let's hope they've firgured out that the audience has figured out that WCRB is a station ;>( Now, now, chill out and relax with Boston's classical music station on FM channel 258. :-) http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/findvalues.html#FMCHANNEL -Ric Werme From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Jan 14 22:34:05 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:34:05 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <20070115025645.56469F8F7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <011420072046.19084.45AA96840005747600004A8C2160376021099D0A0D9C9C0E9D9B9CD2020E0B@att.net> <20070115025645.56469F8F7@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17834.63021.148081.284837@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Isn't there some special exception for classical stations to have the legal > ID not as close to the hour? No station is required to interrupt programming to do a legal ID. See 47 CFR 73.1201(a)(2): "hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings." More stations violate this rule than any other. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 14 23:33:00 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:33:00 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <20070114192310.9B7ABF914@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45AABDAC.6342.5251F3@localhost> On 14 Jan 2007 at 14:23, Ric Werme wrote: > I don't know what WJIB says, but WCRB says something like "where we > always name the music after each long set." Where "long set" > apparently often is a single work (or fragment). I get the feeling > there's a pop music director who's been assigned to WCRB to make it > more current (well, the styles, not the music!) and thinks that any > stretch of music greater than 5 minutes is long. Sounds about right. WCRB's news style is getting to sound more like a pop station. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Mon Jan 15 07:06:07 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:06:07 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <45AABDAC.6342.5251F3@localhost> References: <45AABDAC.6342.5251F3@localhost> Message-ID: <45AB6E2F.4070102@billoneill.us> On 14 Jan 2007 at 14:23, Ric Werme wrote: > >> I don't know what WJIB says, but WCRB says something like "where we >> always name the music after each long set." Where "long set" >> apparently often is a single work (or fragment). The voice-tracked network version that airs on WCVT (101.7 Stowe, VT) has been using those positioners for awhile. I also notice the use of the word "relax, relaxing" in the liners. I can think of more than a few classical pieces that don't confer that mood! With VPR Classical moving ahead WCVT will have to work a little harder, IMO. Bill O'Neill From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 11:19:05 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:19:05 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <45AABDAC.6342.5251F3@localhost> <45AB6E2F.4070102@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <02eb01c738c1$00759d20$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > On 14 Jan 2007 at 14:23, Ric Werme wrote: > > > >> I don't know what WJIB says, but WCRB says something like "where we > >> always name the music after each long set." Where "long set" > >> apparently often is a single work (or fragment). > > The voice-tracked network version that airs on WCVT (101.7 Stowe, VT) > has been using those positioners for awhile. I also notice the use of > the word "relax, relaxing" in the liners. There are times when the new 99.5...is sounding like the OLD WJIB! From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 15 20:59:33 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:59:33 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <002901c73792$eb3d8960$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <000601c73911$faeb7270$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Chuck: You are now parsing your earlier broad statement like a lawyer trying to distinguish an unfavorable case. I was thinking of Ken and the two politicians now hosting a weekend show om WGAN when I sent my earlier message. Ken's voice is painful to listen to. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Jan 15 21:34:10 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:34:10 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal References: <000601c73911$faeb7270$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <000b01c73916$cf6fc1a0$0301a8c0@Family> Dan B wrote: >>Chuck: You are now parsing your earlier broad statement like a lawyer trying to distinguish an unfavorable case. I was thinking of Ken and the two politicians now hosting a weekend show om WGAN when I sent my earlier message. Ken's voice is painful to listen to.<< and had you more definitively stated your intended meaning, i might have been somewhat less disinclined to disagree. however, parsing aside, you simply stated that WRKO was taking a page from the WGAN playbook. WGAN has not hired any convicted felons. granted, one former WGAN host was convicted down the road, but hell, a whole bunch of people voted for her for governor. to the points you've made - they are your opinions, and i will stipulate that with your radio background, they are not necessarily uneducated ones. in New England Radio, probably the first noteworthy non-radio-background person to man a major market mic was Peter Meade when he first appeared on WBZ. i can recall a fairly well-respected and knowledgeable PD wincing at the thought of a radio-newbie doing the early evening talk shift on the legendary WBZ. the same could be said when Curtis Sliwa was given Dan Ingram's old shift. however - neither Peter Meade in Boston, Portland's Ken or the two current politicos on WGAN are convicted felons, to the best of my knowledge. cart-before-the-horse: Richard Hatch. naked island dweller turned Boston morning radio co-host turned forgettful tax-filer. of course, that whole "i won a million dollars on national tv and maybe no will notice..." defense didn't really work out well for him. not for nothing, glad he's cooling his heels and not on the air, anywhere. i feel bad for his kid. to those who have not paid their dues in radio, i have no admiration for their portrayed ability, not unlike many of my long-term professional radio bretheren. ask any one of the new-comers how to facilitate a pattern change, mark-cut-splice a length of tape or put a cue tone on the end of a spot - they'll look at you like many a perplexed jury. i am, however, a tad bit envious of the compensation packages afforded these folks. i can admit that, and want the phone number of their agents asap. i'm not parsing a damn thing, Dan. it is you who attempts to turn the words. the radio people rest. - -Chuck Igo From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Jan 15 22:02:06 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:02:06 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <000b01c73916$cf6fc1a0$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Chuck: I see that you are putting the emphasis on Mr. Finneran's conviction and not his lack of radio experience. That is a real distinction from the folks hired at WGAN. I was focusing on your comments regarding his voice and lack of experience when thinking of Ken. Personally, I have a hard time getting worked up about his conviction when his crime was basically the same thing that got Bill Clinton in trouble. The felony thing does remind me of the WZAN lineup when the station first changed formats to talk -- it featured a simulcast of the WGAN morning show followed by G. Gordon Liddy, Pete Rose, and Tom Leykis. When promoting the lineup on the morning show, Jim Crocker noted that he and Don Kroah were the only people on the station who had not been convicted or accused of a crime. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 16 04:12:20 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:12:20 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000b01c73916$cf6fc1a0$0301a8c0@Family> <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Billings > Chuck: I see that you are putting the emphasis on Mr. Finneran's > convictionand not his lack of radio experience. That is a real > distinction from the > folks hired at WGAN. I was focusing on your comments regarding > his voice > and lack of experience when thinking of Ken. > (snip) > > were it not for Finneran's new-found status as an out-of-work pol thanks to less than scrupulous dealings, do you honestly think he'd be any major market station's first choice to host morning drive? i'm not putting the emphasis on that at all - i do believe i plainly stated that i feel that dues-paying and hard work in broadcast means everything. the trend to hire individuals of no broadcast background is, as i initially stated, disheartening to those of us who have worked for years with an eye on the prize. and that the hiring of said individuals based upon a level of notoriety is an extremely sad thing to me. however, these individuals do bring to the mic a certain level of inside knowledge gained from their particular field of expertise. in the case of politics-hungry Boston, a man of Finneran's stature can only add to the constant desire to know more about how and why the government in that state is doing what it does. - -Chuck Igo From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Jan 16 06:11:48 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:11:48 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <000b01c73916$cf6fc1a0$0301a8c0@Family> <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Billings > Chuck: I see that you are putting the emphasis on Mr. Finneran's > convictionand not his lack of radio experience. That is a real > distinction from the > folks hired at WGAN. I was focusing on your comments regarding > his voice > and lack of experience when thinking of Ken. > > meant to include in previous reply - at what point did i refer to Finneran's voice? never happened, counselor. but thanks for trying. - -Chuck Igo From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 16 07:14:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:14:54 -0500 Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB Message-ID: <001e01c73969$7d319820$19eefea9@satpro4600> The other MacNeil--the younger one who, when he's not on vacation, does news in AM drive--is Bob MacNeil. I still suspect that the two MacNeils are father and son, however. When Bob MacNeil does the morning news, it has a little less of the Top 40 flavor of the news as it is voiced by some of the Metro fill-ins. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Jan 16 08:56:07 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB References: <001e01c73969$7d319820$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <000c01c73976$1bd4bf00$19eefea9@satpro4600> I don't know. I have the impression that the elder MacNeil--Dave--has been at WCRB since the '60s. He is now probably semi-retired. The younger fellow--Bob McNeil--could have been at WVBF 40-odd years ago but I'm not sure he's old enough to have been. The voice could easily be that of a guy in his early 40s. If that's the case, he's too young. But you can hardly call that a definitive take. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Strassberg" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:16 AM Subject: Re: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB > Dan, > > maybe i missed a previous reference, but wasn't there a Bob MacNeil > on the old WVBF morning thing (circa 74-75 or so)? > > is he any relation to the current batch of MacNeil's > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Strassberg > Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:03 am > Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB > To: Boston Radio Interest > > > The other MacNeil--the younger one who, when he's not on vacation, > > does news > > in AM drive--is Bob MacNeil. I still suspect that the two MacNeils > are > > father and son, however. When Bob MacNeil does the morning news, > > it has a > > little less of the Top 40 flavor of the news as it is voiced by > > some of the > > Metro fill-ins. > > > > -- > > > > Dan Strassberg > > dan.strassberg@att.net > > Fax: 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 16 10:27:32 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:27:32 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c73916$cf6fc1a0$0301a8c0@Family> <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: At 4:12 AM -0500 1/16/07, chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > > >were it not for Finneran's new-found status as an out-of-work pol >thanks to less than scrupulous dealings, do you honestly think he'd be >any major market station's first choice to host morning drive? i'm >not putting the emphasis on that at all - i do believe i plainly >stated that i feel that dues-paying and hard work in broadcast means >everything. the trend to hire individuals of no broadcast background >is, as i initially stated, disheartening to those of us who have >worked for years with an eye on the prize. and that the hiring of >said individuals based upon a level of notoriety is an extremely sad >thing to me. I'm thinking of an earlier example of someone with (I believe) no radio background who was hired and was quite successful: Curtis Sliwa at WABC in New York. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Tue Jan 16 10:39:54 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:39:54 -0500 Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB In-Reply-To: <000c01c73976$1bd4bf00$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <001e01c73969$7d319820$19eefea9@satpro4600> <000c01c73976$1bd4bf00$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070116103302.026d6270@BelloAssoc.com> Dave MacNeil was one of the voices of WCRB (along with Dave Tucker) in the 70s. I think he was also Ops Manager. He did not walk very well but was in constant motion. He would voice a live break, bound over to the duplicating machines to change tapes for BSO and do 3 other tasks before heading back to the studio. At 08:56 AM 1/16/2007, you wrote: >I don't know. I have the impression that the elder MacNeil--Dave--has been >at WCRB since the '60s. He is now probably semi-retired. The younger >fellow--Bob McNeil--could have been at WVBF 40-odd years ago but I'm not >sure he's old enough to have been. The voice could easily be that of a guy >in his early 40s. If that's the case, he's too young. But you can hardly >call that a definitive take. > >-- > >Dan Strassberg >dan.strassberg@att.net >Fax: 1-707-215-6367 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Dan Strassberg" >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:16 AM >Subject: Re: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB > > > > Dan, > > > > maybe i missed a previous reference, but wasn't there a Bob MacNeil > > on the old WVBF morning thing (circa 74-75 or so)? > > > > is he any relation to the current batch of MacNeil's > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dan Strassberg > > Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:03 am > > Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB > > To: Boston Radio Interest > > > > > The other MacNeil--the younger one who, when he's not on vacation, > > > does news > > > in AM drive--is Bob MacNeil. I still suspect that the two MacNeils > > are > > > father and son, however. When Bob MacNeil does the morning news, > > > it has a > > > little less of the Top 40 flavor of the news as it is voiced by > > > some of the > > > Metro fill-ins. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dan Strassberg > > > dan.strassberg@att.net > > > Fax: 1-707-215-6367 > > > > > > > > > > > > From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 16 15:10:40 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:10:40 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ric Werme" >To: dan.strassberg@att.net >Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:56:45 -0500 > ... WCRB arch-enemy and tormenter, Laurence Glavin, apparently doesn't > count single symphony movements as any kind of play of the work because > he has said repeatedly that WCRB NEVER plays Beethoven's Ninth. >When WCRB had listener's vote for the Top 40, the 9th always won, and did get played >in entirety I checked the archives under 'Authors' and couldn't find even a single instance where I might have erroneously given that impression because I know it's not the case. Under previous "management" they would occasionally run an essential classics weekend, and that's where they would sneak in a complete LvB9 somewhere around 9:00 pm on Sunday. December was taken up with holiday music, but since The Great One's birthday occurred in that month, it's possible they could also play it on a Sunday night close to the 16th. Since the new "management" hasn't brought up a new wcrb.com except to offer online audio streaming, I can't tell if they did so in 2006. >I can appreciate that, but if symphonies must be fully played, then so >should Ma Vlast, which contains The Moldau (a key top-40 piece), as should >ballets, choral works, etc. There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in regular concerts (not youth concerts or family concerts usually with lectures). Performance practice with regard to "Ma Vlast" is to play "The Moldau" almost overwhelmingly, and occasionally "From Bohemia's Meadows and Forests"...classical music radio music directors have the right to do the same thing (I've only been to ONE live performance of ALL of "Ma Vlast" in my life, and that's when a major Czeck conductor, Rafael Kubelik, was a guest conductor of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and that was probably 20 years or more ago. There's no need to play individual movements from longer pieces because the standard repertory contains countless relatively short orchestral pieces they could play in their stead...look up "symphonic poem" at wikipedia. -- Low Prices, Wide Selection of Gas Masks Everyday low price guarantee. We offer special police discounts and an extremely wide selection of gas masks, filters and huge selection of preparedness gear. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=24e08df2353d2e6cb9bae3a0e3c8c61e From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Jan 16 16:40:30 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:40:30 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17837.17998.333685.144499@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because > that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the > New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in > regular concerts And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. -GAWollman From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 17:17:02 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:17:02 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <17837.17998.333685.144499@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <010c01c739bc$11e36aa0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > < said: > > > There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because > > that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the > > New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in > > regular concerts > > From: "Garrett Wollman" > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions > of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged > to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. > Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. Some of us have given up any hope that Glavin CAN "get over it". Stubborn....or obsessive....I can't figure it out. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Jan 16 19:03:02 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:03:02 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <010c01c739bc$11e36aa0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <17837.17998.333685.144499@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <010c01c739bc$11e36aa0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45AD67B6.1010606@ttlc.net> Don A. wrote: > > >> < > said: >>> There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because >>> that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the >>> New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in >>> regular concerts >> > From: "Garrett Wollman" > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions >> of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged >> to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. >> Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. > > Some of us have given up any hope that Glavin CAN "get over it". > > Stubborn....or obsessive....I can't figure it out. > > Purist. From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 22:04:02 2007 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:04:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <45AD67B6.1010606@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <997221.11566.qm@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> > > From: "Garrett Wollman" >> And musicians a rock concerts often play extended > or altered versions > >> of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio > stations are obliged > >> to play those versions instead of the ones that > are intended for air. > >> Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. > Get over it. > > > > Stubborn....or obsessive....I can't figure it out. > > Purist. or maybe just self-obsessed. ;-) who was it that said "a radio station is not a museum" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 17 01:07:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:07:05 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <17837.17998.333685.144499@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45AD76B9.23346.46FD86@localhost> On 16 Jan 2007 at 16:40, Garrett Wollman wrote: > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions > of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged > to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. > Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. No, but a symphony is a single work, not a collection of works. Playing one movement of a symphony is like performing one act of a play. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 17 01:07:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:07:05 -0500 Subject: Herald, Ch. 25 report WRKO Finneran deal In-Reply-To: References: <000001c7391a$b7f024d0$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <45AD76B9.1137.46FDFB@localhost> On 16 Jan 2007 at 4:12, chuckigo@maine.rr.com wrote: > were it not for Finneran's new-found status as an out-of-work pol > thanks to less than scrupulous dealings, do you honestly think he'd be > any major market station's first choice to host morning drive? I think it's less his "less than scrupulous dealings" than the fact that he is a well-known personality and no longer an active pol. In fact, I think that the federal prosecution probably is why WRKO didn't sign him earlier. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 17 01:07:05 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:07:05 -0500 Subject: Only one Dave MacNeil at WCRB In-Reply-To: <000c01c73976$1bd4bf00$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <45AD76B9.6940.46FE63@localhost> On 16 Jan 2007 at 8:56, Dan Strassberg wrote: > I don't know. I have the impression that the elder MacNeil--Dave--has > been at WCRB since the '60s. He is now probably semi-retired. Quite possibly. Sometime in the late '60s I inquired about a summer announcing job at WCRB, and I think Dave MacNeil was the guy I met with. He gave me a test with a lot of foreign names, and I wasn't good enough at pronouncing them. But he was very nice about it and told me how I could improve if I was interested, eventually, in announcing classical radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jan 17 01:47:18 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:47:18 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <20070116201041.6F4501CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <45AD76B9.23346.46FD86@localhost> Message-ID: <036801c73a03$7b8e8880$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > On 16 Jan 2007 at 16:40, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions > > of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged > > to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. > > Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. > > No, but a symphony is a single work, not a collection of works. > Playing one movement of a symphony is like performing one act of a > play. To take Garrett's idea further.... 1.) It's like when stations played the shorter (not complete) version of American Pie. The shorter version of American Pie was presumably the most important parts of the (complete) version. Many pop and rock artist decry and cringe when their songs get edited down to a shorter version. 2.) Like Garrett said, radio stations are under no obligation to play specific versions. Being in business, they can play anything they want. From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jan 17 01:19:16 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:19:16 -0500 Subject: Museum? In-Reply-To: <997221.11566.qm@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <997221.11566.qm@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45ADBFE4.3090400@gabrielmass.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > who was it that said "a radio station is not a museum" Speaking of mvsevms, I've been trying to find out whether the Marconi Museum in Bedford, NH, is actually in operation; does anyone know? The organization's web site http://www.marconiusa.org/museum/ doesn't list any scheduled hours, and when I called its phone a few days ago, I reached an answering machine that was full and couldn't take any more messages. Clues? --RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 17 02:52:54 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:52:54 -0500 Subject: Museum? In-Reply-To: <45ADBFE4.3090400@gabrielmass.com> References: <997221.11566.qm@web52315.mail.yahoo.com> <45ADBFE4.3090400@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20070117075255.EBB9E44C17A@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Richard asked-- >The organization's web site > http://www.marconiusa.org/museum/ >doesn't list any scheduled hours, and when I called its phone a few >days ago, I reached an answering machine that was full and couldn't >take any more messages. The guy who runs it (whose name escapes me-- Ray Minichiello, I think) is in his 80s, and last time I saw him, he was ill. Perhaps he has had to take some time away from the museum to recuperate. His number might be in the Bedford NH phone book, if I am recalling his name correctly. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 17 12:13:17 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:13:17 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <20070117171318.AC0981F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:17:02 -0500 > > There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because > > that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the > > New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in > > regular concerts > >From: "Garrett Wollman" > > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions > of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged > to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. > Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. >Some of us have given up any hope that Glavin CAN "get over it". >Stubborn....or obsessive....I can't figure it out. Yikes...look at all the amateur psychiatrists. To them I have two words: SPORTS TALK A small amount of sports talk psychosis entered into a couple of regular talk shows Monday, so I've experienced a touch of it in the past few days. When I wrote that I surveyed some of my past posts to find out if I really claimed WCRB never plays Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I also observed that during those months, I entered ruminations on dozens of subjects, only broaching the subject of classical music in general or WCRB in particular when it came up in the news (the WCRB sale to first GM then Nassau) or others' observations of what THEY heard when tuning in to the new regime at 99.5. I've hardly touched at all on happenings at WRKO although that subject has gone into overdrive at radio-info.com's Boston board because there's always WBUR (speaking of which, the national radio websites have carried the interesting story about the network of non-comm's in Iowa that tried to bounce Tom Ashbrook's WBUR-produced "On Point" in favor of Diane Rehm only to be met with a fusillade of listener complaints; they later relented). Re: Garrett's observation of performance characteristics of rock shows, in that the groups or stars play longer versions of their recorded material... in many cases, the RECORDINGS themselves are 3 to 4 minutes on an album, maybe a little less on the singles, and that's what the radio stations play. But a recording of a 40-minute symphony or concerto is the same length as the piece when it's played live. (The New Yorks Times this week had a review of a performance of Beethoven's Violin Concerto that utilized a cadenza, a section of a whole piece that can be improvised but nowadays is scored as if improvised, written by Beethoven himself for a different version of the same work and somewhat longer than the Fritz Kreisler cadenza most often played. I've read that a pianist in the Boston area actually improvises his cadenzas in the Mozart piano concertos, so when he plays them they're longer than most recordings...so it can happen, but rarely; see you learned something today.) I think it's a valid position that classical stations, commercial or non-commercial SHOULD resemble the concertgoer's experience because the radio audience is a subset of that cohort, viz: people who enjoy the works of the classical genre as they can actually be encountered in the concert hall. I can say with some assurance as they days grow longer...in July and August many of them will show up at summer festivals like Tanglewood expecting to hear all the compositions in full. = American Express: Boston Get Restaurant Picks from Clio Chef Ken Oringer & 11 Other Food Experts. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=37386e757b531f733992ebe879713472 From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Jan 17 13:50:33 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:50:33 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <20070117171318.AC0981F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001001c73a68$63f29300$19eefea9@satpro4600> If you haven't figured out that the mindset of a typical radio listener differs substantially from that of a typical concert-goer, there is no hope for you! Yes the same individuals can be (and often are) radio listeners and concert-goers--but few people fill both roles simultaneously. Notwithstanding your eccentric preferences, radio listeners--mostly--want to be entertained. Listeners to classical-music radio usually are looking for background music for other activities. Attendees of classical concerts and grand opera have a variety of objectives (while present at the concert or performance). Few are likely to be looking for background music. The concert experience is what they spent money for--on the tickets, the babysitter, the transportation, the new hairdo, the new suit or dress, whatever. You've said that classical radio programmers must follow the same rules as those who select music to be performed at classical concerts. I can think of few statements I've read on this list that represent greater hogwash! And you have offered no reasons why radio programmers have an obligation to meet your absurd expectations, which you present as gospel. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Don A." ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Don A." > >To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > >Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:17:02 -0500 > > > > There's no question that symphonies should be played in full because > > > that's what music directors of symphony orchestras ranging from the > > > New York Philharmonic to the smallest community orchestra do in > > > regular concerts > > > >From: "Garrett Wollman" > > > And musicians a rock concerts often play extended or altered versions > > of their songs, but that doesn't mean that radio stations are obliged > > to play those versions instead of the ones that are intended for air. > > Commercial radio is a business, not a charity. Get over it. > >Some of us have given up any hope that Glavin CAN "get over it". > >Stubborn....or obsessive....I can't figure it out. > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jan 17 14:02:46 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:02:46 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <20070117171318.AC0981F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <01d401c73a6a$15bb76a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Re: Garrett's observation of performance characteristics of rock shows, in > that the groups or stars play longer versions of their recorded material... > in many cases, the RECORDINGS themselves are 3 to 4 minutes on an album, > maybe a little less on the singles, and that's what the radio stations play. In many cases, the (pop) album RECORDING is 12 minutes....or longer....and the single (airplay) version is 4. Not quite "a little less". (And some pop artists refer to the edits as "hatchet jobs".) > But a recording of a 40-minute symphony or concerto is the same length as the > piece when it's played live. Are there no recordings simply of "movements". Are you saying the radio stations are editing the recordings themselves? Or are they just deciding to play the shorter recordings? > I think it's a valid position that > classical stations, commercial or non-commercial SHOULD resemble the > concertgoer's experience because the radio audience is a subset of that > cohort, viz: people who enjoy the works of the classical genre as they > can actually be encountered in the concert hall. But in order to expand the reach of the station, management has decided to reach out to a group of people who would probably never go to a concert hall. (They are more likely to be part of the 250,000 that floods the Hatch Shell on the Fourth.) (i.e. Do we have 100 people who listen for 12 hours a day? ...or do we have 10,000 people that listen for 4 hours a day.) A competent program director can adjust his radio station between those two extremes. However, advertising and ratings drive that decision, not taste, or a higher calling, not a purist mindset. Many a purist has been clobberred in the competition for listeners ears and advertising dollars. And because it's a business, thats just the way it is. (Remember the PD's mantra..."Get as MANY people to listen for as LONG as you can!" Many times it's a balance between both those goals.) WCRB decided to alienate a few die-hards....and gain many more "ordinary" listeners in their place. (Just as they did when they extended their audience by removing opera from the air.) > I can say with some assurance > as they days grow longer...in July and August many of them will show > up at summer festivals like Tanglewood expecting to hear all the compositions > in full. I liken it to the people who listen to WBZ. There are, no doubt, many that would like longer form news broadcasts...and more in depth reporting and analysis than the simple headlines over and over. For that, they go somewhere else, newspapers, TV, etc. The station needs to find a balance between the two to support it's business model and attract advertising. People use radio today is more like a wristwatch. When you want it....it's there in short bites to give you what you need/expect. From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 17 16:44:52 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:44:52 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <20070117214453.1DC621024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:50:33 You and other apologists for the WCRB/WGMS/KDFC model of short, easily accessible orchestral-only music plus excerpts from longer pieces overlook the stations that program themselves with more than just a modicum of artistic integrity and yet get pop-music station ratings in other markets. I'll set aside KING-FM and WFMT because, although successful, they operate under special conditions where they can break even and it's ok with management. If you've read the papers lately and listened to NPR's "On the Media" or viewed channel 2's "Greater Boston" and CNN's "Reliable Sources", you know about the travails at the New York Times Corporation. I'm sure every division they're keeping (they've either unloaded some properties or are rumored to be planning to do so) is under close scrutiny to maximize profits (within reason) and yet their FM outlet WQXR still adheres to higher standards than the the first 3 stations mentioned above. All the types of programming you describe as "eccentric" are found within their 6:00 am through 11:00 pm span (I exclude the overnights). Just now I brought up their playlists for just the past week, and lo and behold, during the most-listened-to hours are genuinely modern works including some by living composers, vocal music (choral pieces and arias from operas), and even some pieces even I wouldn't run at the time they did (the complete Prokofiev 5th Symphony Friday Jan 12th at 10:05 am; you can look it up). It's too bad that wqxr.com doesn't have a message board any more. It would be interesting to query management there as to THEIR philosophy of programming! = Home Depot - Moving Tips Prepare with Home Depot. Find tools for Selling & Moving a home. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=fe752d3ab0d14d1c2c2076fb7bd15084 From rac@gabrielmass.com Wed Jan 17 21:14:25 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:14:25 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death Message-ID: <45AED801.8050905@gabrielmass.com> (summary) Entercom has fired 10 staff members of KDND-FM Sacramento after a 28-year-old listener died Friday, apparently from water intoxication (hyponatremia), after participating in a water-drinking contest. The mother of three drank about 7 quarts of water in an effort to win a computer game unit. According to Reuters, on-air DJs conducted the contest even though they were aware of -- and made jokes about -- a previous water-drinking fatality case. Wire service story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070117/od_nm/usa_radio_death1_dc_1 Commentary: The firing sounds reasonable, if the show's producers ran this stupid stunt without getting it approved by the company's lawyers. The latter would presumably be cautious enough to think: if listeners are asked to engage in eating, drinking, or physical activity, get a medical opinion about safety. When the lawsuit comes from the lady's family, cynics will blame her for her imprudence, but IMHO it's not necessarily obvious to an average person that drinking 7 quarts of water in a couple of hours is enough to kill you. At first glance I'd expect a court to find the station staff (and maybe Entercom too) negligent. Of course, the lawyers on the list can comment on this more knowledgeably. --RC From me@billoneill.us Wed Jan 17 21:42:17 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:42:17 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <45AED801.8050905@gabrielmass.com> References: <45AED801.8050905@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <45AEDE89.4080102@billoneill.us> Richard Chonak wrote: > The firing sounds reasonable, if the show's producers ran this stupid > stunt without getting it approved by the company's lawyers. What a tough way to go. Sadder still that I believe the deceased left two kids behind, now without a mom. Join a cheesy radio contest and then die. The sad thing about the ten staffers who were booted down the stairs? There will be ten more Mensa candidates taking their places. Bill O'Neill From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Jan 17 21:48:16 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <45AEDE89.4080102@billoneill.us> References: <45AED801.8050905@gabrielmass.com> <45AEDE89.4080102@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000001c73aab$1b4788c0$6600a8c0@tony> Three kids. So sad ... Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:42 PM To: Richard Chonak Cc: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death Richard Chonak wrote: > The firing sounds reasonable, if the show's producers ran this stupid > stunt without getting it approved by the company's lawyers. What a tough way to go. Sadder still that I believe the deceased left two kids behind, now without a mom. Join a cheesy radio contest and then die. The sad thing about the ten staffers who were booted down the stairs? There will be ten more Mensa candidates taking their places. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Wed Jan 17 22:02:20 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:02:20 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT Message-ID: <45AEE33C.2080002@billoneill.us> WVMT (620 Burlington) actually are promoting that Howie Carr's syndicated 3-6 show is being pulled by the show and that Burlington is 'not part of their plans' as of next week. They make it sound as if the station did all that they could to keep the show and lost. What's the real story? Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 18 00:33:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:33:03 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <036801c73a03$7b8e8880$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45AEC03F.20490.46742D@localhost> On 17 Jan 2007 at 1:47, Don A. wrote: > 1.) It's like when stations played the shorter (not complete) version > of American Pie. The shorter version of American Pie was presumably > the most important parts of the (complete) version. Many pop and rock > artist decry and cringe when their songs get edited down to a shorter > version. I think they probably expect it, since the songs are meant to be on pop radio. > 2.) Like Garrett said, radio stations are under no obligation to play > specific versions. Being in business, they can play anything they > want. Yes they can. And we have the right to complain. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 18 00:33:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:33:03 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <01d401c73a6a$15bb76a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45AEC03F.3466.46749D@localhost> On 17 Jan 2007 at 14:02, Don A. wrote: > WCRB decided to alienate a few die-hards....and gain many more > "ordinary" listeners in their place. (Just as they did when they > extended their audience by removing opera from the air.) It's actually a bit more complicated than that. Several years ago, after Theodore Jones either died or retired, WCRB started to revamp its programming in order to appeal to more "ordinary" listeners. And one of the things they did was play single movements of symphonies. They apparently got a lot of complaints from listeners and either stopped or curtailed that practice. They also developed the practice of using a limited playlist of music that they played over and over. The new ownership seems to have brought back the practice of playing single movements of symphonies. I can't say whether they have cut the playlist further. I've always found that annoying. On the other hand, where the former ownership had a ban on choral music except during the holidays, I did hear the Hallelujah Chorus today, and I've heard Beethoven's 9th symphony on occasion in the evening, when they have tended to play longer works. Bottom line, though, is that when I am in my car, where I can easily switch between stations, I generally find that WCRB is more likely to be playing something I want to listen to than either WGBH or WHRB. So something they are doing seems to be working. I just think they can do it without playing fractions of works and without having such a short, repetitive playlist. They can have a greater variety without playing stuff that few people want to listen to. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 18 00:33:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:33:03 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <20070117214453.1DC621024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45AEC03F.29758.46750E@localhost> On 17 Jan 2007 at 16:44, Laurence Glavin wrote: > and yet their FM outlet WQXR still adheres to higher standards > than the the first 3 stations mentioned above. All the types of > programming you describe as "eccentric" are found within their 6:00 am > through 11:00 pm span (I exclude the overnights). Just now I > brought up their playlists for just the past week, and lo and behold, > during the most-listened-to hours are genuinely modern works including > some by living composers, vocal music (choral pieces and arias from > operas), and even some pieces even I wouldn't run at the time they did > (the complete Prokofiev 5th Symphony Friday Jan 12th at 10:05 am; you > can look it up). It's too bad that wqxr.com doesn't have a message > board any more. It would be interesting to query management there as > to THEIR philosophy of programming! I don't think you can compare the two. The New York market is so much larger than the Boston market that WQXR can do many things that can't be done in Boston and still have a large audience. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 02:38:32 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:38:32 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? References: <45AEC03F.20490.46742D@localhost> Message-ID: <043a01c73ad4$33f1a260$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > On 17 Jan 2007 at 1:47, Don A. wrote: > > > 1.) It's like when stations played the shorter (not complete) version > > of American Pie. The shorter version of American Pie was presumably > > the most important parts of the (complete) version. Many pop and rock > > artist decry and cringe when their songs get edited down to a shorter > > version. > > I think they probably expect it, since the songs are meant to be on > pop radio. And when I turn on Classical radio, I don't expect to hear an entire symphony. For some of the longer works, there is probably a "favorite part" for most people. Just like in a pop song, a novel or a movie. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 18 03:31:50 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:31:50 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT Message-ID: <20070118083152.106661CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >>WVMT (620 Burlington) actually are promoting that Howie Carr's syndicated 3-6 show is being pulled by the show and that Burlington is 'not part of their plans' as of next week. They make it sound as if the station did all that they could to keep the show and lost. What's the real story? Howie has been fielding calls on air about this. He said "it's not WVMT's fault", etc.; I think Entercom either doesn't want to syndicate the show outside Mass., or they're asking for more money from stations. The Save WRKO blog suspects that they aren't getting much in the way of ad revenues from affiliates...supposedly WVMT, WKNE in Keene NH, and WTPL in Hillsboro NH will be dropping the show at the end of the week (not sure about the last one). Howie has said he'll try to get back on in Burlington; not sure if that means trying to get back on WVMT (which is replacing him with Jerry Doyle) or if he'll try to get on WXZO/WEAV "the Zone". The latter stations run Hannity in the afternoon. As for WVMT, if there's any thought about putting the show on AFTER Doyle, realize that IIRC they're the Yankees affiliate for that market and he'd be pre-empted a lot. Supposedly Howie will be on the Charlie and Ernie show (brief call in) today (Thu) to explain it all... I don't know the real story, but it sounds like Entercom figures it isn't worth syndicating the show to stations that can't generate ad money from it, but Howie would like to stay on. His regular callers Steve and Wally from Montreal will surely be disappointed... = Retiring and Moving? You pack; we seal it & deliver safe & direct to your home; saving 50%. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=08c1d820ec9114ecffbd096c38027d35 From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 18 04:14:40 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:14:40 -0500 Subject: PSAs Message-ID: <20070118091441.83C1D44C01F@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> A professor friend of mine who hasn't been in radio in years asked me about Public Service announcements. She was curious about whether since deregulation stations are still required to air them. Mostly, she has heard them on stations with low ratings, or stations where there seemed to be some avails because all of the commercial time wasn't sold. But let me ask those of you who are PDs or announcers: even if you are sold out, do you still try to fit in a certain number of PSAs? If so, are there organizations you prefer to use, or is it a matter of whatever got sent to you that week? I know anecdotally that stations in Boston seem to air fewer PSAs than they did when I was on the air. And unlike the local PSAs we used to air, many of the ones I hear on radio these days seem to come from national organizations (United Way, Big Brothers, American Cancer Society, etc). From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 18 07:56:11 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:56:11 -0500 Subject: Fw: Two Dave MacNeils? Message-ID: <002301c73b00$0dc98d60$19eefea9@satpro4600> Although, I could imagine, say, Theo Epstein doing something that really angered Sox fans. Then it would be appropriate to talk (say, in a newspaper column or a sports-talk program) of Red Sox Nation's Glavination of Epstein. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Strassberg" To: "A. Joseph Ross" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? > Joe: Complaining is one thing but Glavinating is something else. I'll try to > put together a formal definition of Galvinate/Glavinating/Glavination when I > have time, but I doubt if anyone on this list needs one ;>( > > BTW, Glavination is not analogous to local sports fans' Red Sox Nation. > > -- > > Dan Strassberg > dan.strassberg@att.net > Fax: 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Joseph Ross" > To: "Don A." > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: Two Dave MacNeils? > > > > On 17 Jan 2007 at 1:47, Don A. wrote: > > > > > 1.) It's like when stations played the shorter (not complete) version > > > of American Pie. The shorter version of American Pie was presumably > > > the most important parts of the (complete) version. Many pop and rock > > > artist decry and cringe when their songs get edited down to a shorter > > > version. > > > > I think they probably expect it, since the songs are meant to be on > > pop radio. > > > > > 2.) Like Garrett said, radio stations are under no obligation to play > > > specific versions. Being in business, they can play anything they > > > want. > > > > Yes they can. And we have the right to complain. > > > > -- > > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > > From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 07:30:17 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:30:17 -0500 Subject: Two Dave MacNeils? In-Reply-To: <043a01c73ad4$33f1a260$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> References: <45AEC03F.20490.46742D@localhost> <043a01c73ad4$33f1a260$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45AF6859.4060601@billoneill.us> Don A. wrote: > Just like in a pop song, a novel or a movie. > Radio for Beethoven? (silence) I suspect that HD radio will change the landscape with regard to classical music. If there is a niche there fiscally, someone will fill it. Bill O'Neill From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 18 10:18:51 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:18:51 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> I guess that stunts in bad taste aren't limited to US radio. A friend of mine just sent me this clip from UK radio of a girl getting dumped on the air. I guess that cruelty is considered good entertainment. Brian Vita http://www.break.com/index/girl_dumped_live_on_the_radio.html From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 18 10:56:06 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:06 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio References: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> That's what the telecasts of the city-to-city American Idol tryouts is all about, isn't it? I feel horrible for the poor, deluded people who have no chance of acceptance. Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the nation to see. There's something sick about that. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio > I guess that stunts in bad taste aren't limited to US radio. A friend > of mine just sent me this clip from UK radio of a girl getting dumped on > the air. I guess that cruelty is considered good entertainment. > > Brian Vita > > http://www.break.com/index/girl_dumped_live_on_the_radio.html > > > From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 11:58:49 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:49 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <45AFA749.8020204@billoneill.us> Doug Drown wrote: > Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the > nation to see. There's something sick about that. > Long before reality TV, there was reality (talk) radio. I considered callers to any talk show I was hosting over the years as a guest. Even if things went bad, as it were, I was the host and they were my guest, not fodder. I consistently felt somewhat responsible for that person who would now be off of the phone, left to deal with whatever was going on, now alone. (I know that sounds a bit over-ripe, but....) Likewise, broadcasters (remember those?) need to remember that the cattle parades that line up for reality TV are invited guests. And how we treat our guests says more about us than other measures of success or power. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 09:46:03 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:46:03 -0500 Subject: Howie WVMT Message-ID: <45AF882B.8030104@billoneill.us> The morning guys at WVMT (Charlie & Ernie) explaining the pending loss of Howie Carr show next week. Apparently, Carr was on with the guys explaining that the Doyle (replacement) show would be "short lived." Indications are that the rights fees were to be raised to exorbitant levels when considering market rank and size. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 18 12:54:40 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:54:40 -0500 Subject: Howie WVMT Message-ID: <20070118175445.022981158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >>The morning guys at WVMT (Charlie & Ernie) explaining the pending loss of Howie Carr show next week. Apparently, Carr was on with the guys explaining that the Doyle (replacement) show would be "short lived." Indications are that the rights fees were to be raised to exorbitant levels when considering market rank and size. Thanks for that info! Yes hopefully he'll be back on WVMT soon (if that's what you mean by Doyle's show being short lived; i.e., a return to Howie). The motel where I usually stay up in that area is in Colchester, close enough to 620's stick that someday I may pick it up on my fillings! :) = Orbitz - Save on Hotels in Hawaii Sort hotels by price, distance, star rating, and amenities. Orbitz. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=433a35618eb7bc4c4e47479612de5a13 From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jan 18 12:57:30 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:30 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio References: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <003901c73b2a$219a1600$0301a8c0@Family> doug opined: >>That's what the telecasts of the city-to-city American Idol tryouts is all about, isn't it? I feel horrible for the poor, deluded people who have no chance of acceptance. Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the nation to see. There's something sick about that. << there is something sick and twisted about it, and i'll admit that like a looky-loo on the x-way, i slow down and take a gander. some of them are indeed deluded and in need of a wake-up call - go cure cancer, invent the water-powered, non-polluting engine, find a way to print money on home pc and share the secret with the world... but by all means, really, forget the singing thing as a means to an end. however - an interesting-to-see-how-this-plays-out occured last night with one of the contestants who gave "Unchained Melody" his best shot (?). not even the short version - they let him sing almost all 3:30 of it. then rallied on in piling on the young man (27). in watching him (i was actually sneaking a peek in the hockey rink snack bar while my 13 year old was being pelted with pucks - he's a goalie, it's okay and has nothing to do with Amesbury), i was struck by the thought that something was just not "right" about the young man, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. his somewhat awkward gait, a slightly-different facial make-up, stilted-and-overly-zealous pronounciation of each word... when i got home, i offered that i thought the judges were exceptionally heavy-handed on the contestants. she went straight to the young man mentioned above and offered that she thought he was either autistic, semi-autistic, or perhaps Aspergur's (sp?) syndrome. one might think that through vetting, pre-production, witnessing the audition and then rolling through hours of tape in the editing room that someone involved might have picked up on a similar thought and followed-up. imo, it's one of those hinky things that will, on the heels of the tragic water contest, et al, bring the world of unabashed reality programming to screeching halt, not unlike the wardrobe malfunction did to the albeit briefly loosened standards applied in on-air broadcasts. (that being if indeed the young man in question is perhaps in some way mentally handicapped). - -chuck igo From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 18 13:47:21 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:47:21 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio References: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <003901c73b2a$219a1600$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <044c01c73b31$16f045b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I'm not a fan of reality TV, and I've watched American Idol a grand total of maybe four times. That having been said, I saw the young man in question last evening while I was taking down the Christmas decorations in my living room (a tad late, dontcha think?). Seeing him was what led to my earlier comment. The fellow claimed to be a computer engineer, if I recall, so I think Asperger's Syndrome may indeed be a correct diagnosis. I know people who have Asperger's. It's a high-functioning form of autism, and those who have it are usually highly intelligent. The poor guy's performance would make anybody wince. Definitely not a singer. But his oddness was more than apparent, and what made me wince even worse was Simon's offhanded remark as he was leaving: "What a weird guy!" (or something to that effect). I was appalled. I've read that brutal comments are common on this program, but that was way outside the pale. I'm with Chuck: If this young man is found to be mentally handicapped, the FCC ought to step in and say "Enough." The new issue of Newsweek contains an article on young America's growing obsession with fame. Nobody thinks about the consequences that come with it. I have a cousin-once-removed who is one of the stars of a major network sitcom. I won't give his name. Fame has come to him only lately after years in acting. He told the family recently how, at first, it was nice to be recognized on the street. Now he's finding it somewhat burdensome: his privacy is slowly being eroded away. If young people heard more stars saying that, maybe they'd think twice. -Doug ---- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: "Doug Drown" ; "Brian Vita" ; "boston Radio Interest Board" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio > doug opined: > >>That's what the telecasts of the city-to-city American Idol tryouts is all > about, isn't it? > I feel horrible for the poor, deluded people who have no chance of > acceptance. Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the > nation to see. There's something sick about that. << > > there is something sick and twisted about it, and i'll admit that like a > looky-loo on the x-way, i slow down and take a gander. some of them are > indeed deluded and in need of a wake-up call - go cure cancer, invent the > water-powered, non-polluting engine, find a way to print money on home pc > and share the secret with the world... but by all means, really, forget the > singing thing as a means to an end. > > however - an interesting-to-see-how-this-plays-out occured last night with > one of the contestants who gave "Unchained Melody" his best shot (?). not > even the short version - they let him sing almost all 3:30 of it. then > rallied on in piling on the young man (27). in watching him (i was actually > sneaking a peek in the hockey rink snack bar while my 13 year old was being > pelted with pucks - he's a goalie, it's okay and has nothing to do with > Amesbury), i was struck by the thought that something was just not "right" > about the young man, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. his somewhat > awkward gait, a slightly-different facial make-up, > stilted-and-overly-zealous pronounciation of each word... when i got home, i > offered that i thought the judges were exceptionally heavy-handed on the > contestants. she went straight to the young man mentioned above and offered > that she thought he was either autistic, semi-autistic, or perhaps > Aspergur's (sp?) syndrome. one might think that through vetting, > pre-production, witnessing the audition and then rolling through hours of > tape in the editing room that someone involved might have picked up on a > similar thought and followed-up. imo, it's one of those hinky things that > will, on the heels of the tragic water contest, et al, bring the world of > unabashed reality programming to screeching halt, not unlike the wardrobe > malfunction did to the albeit briefly loosened standards applied in on-air > broadcasts. (that being if indeed the young man in question is perhaps in > some way mentally handicapped). > > - -chuck igo > > From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 13:47:31 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:47:31 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <003901c73b2a$219a1600$0301a8c0@Family> References: <45AF8FDB.6010606@cssinc.com> <041501c73b19$2a51e5e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <003901c73b2a$219a1600$0301a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <45AFC0C3.1000005@billoneill.us> Chuck Igo wrote: > she went straight to the young man mentioned above and offered that > she thought he was either autistic, semi-autistic, or perhaps > Aspergur's (sp?) syndrome. one might think that through vetting, > pre-production, witnessing the audition and then rolling through hours > of tape in the editing room that someone involved might have picked up > on a similar thought and followed-up. You nailed it. While I can recognize and not diagnose, it's fair to say that the contestant we saw was likely, as they say, "on the spectrum." There is a line that someone, somewhere, along that process of vetting that you mention, who had to have stopped and wondered if this passed the simple test of fairness. Hours of footage hit the floor. Nothing went to air by accident. Bill O'Neill From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Jan 18 14:31:34 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:31:34 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:49 EST." <45AFA749.8020204@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <200701181931.l0IJVYHn006323@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> > Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the > nation to see. There's something sick about that. Anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon related to today's "reality" programming would do well to study the history of a CBS Radio (later TV) show named "Strike It Rich". Imagine a quiz show devoted solely to contestants (often whole families) of meager financial means. And if they couldn't answer the questions right, they were turned over to the mercy of the "heart line", where listeners/viewers would donate money or goods to them. It got to the point where people (and often whole families) were buying one-way tickets to New York to try and get on the show. And it was on TV for close to seven years - 1951 to 1958, right in the middle of TV's purported "golden age". Exploiting people for ratings is nothing new. It's just that others choose to forget, or would rather keep it forgotten. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 18 15:00:09 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:00:09 -0500 Subject: PSAs In-Reply-To: References: <20070118091441.83C1D44C01F@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <20070118200010.BA76B44C31A@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> Chuck wrote-- > the one thing we try to do on our stations up here in Portland is >bang the drum as loudly as possible for as many local area non-profit >events as possible - it is the one thing that we can do to >differentiate ourselves as not canned, bird-delivered or syndicated >programming. on Oldies 100.9, we try to work the local events in as >convseration item as opposed to what some of our stations do - the pre- >produced "community calendar" thing. See, even though deregulation came along, I still agree with you that PSAs can be SERVICE to the community if they are done right. There are a lot of worthy local charities that could use the "shout out" and seldom get it, based on what I hear on most stations, which seem to find it easier to use nationally produced PSAs with celebrity voices (not that there's anything wrong with that). I commend your station for talking about local events-- it's another way to connect with the audience. From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Jan 18 16:08:51 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:08:51 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio References: <200701181931.l0IJVYHn006323@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: <045201c73b44$db32e870$6501a8c0@pastor2> Strike It Rich! I recall that show from very early childhood (Warren Hull, the 1930s actor, was the host, if I remember right). I guess I wasn't old enough to understand what it was about. Gad. This was on "The Tiffany Network"? Thanks for filling us in. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Mamros" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio > > Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the > > nation to see. There's something sick about that. > > Anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon related to today's "reality" > programming would do well to study the history of a CBS Radio (later TV) > show named "Strike It Rich". > > Imagine a quiz show devoted solely to contestants (often whole families) > of meager financial means. And if they couldn't answer the questions > right, they were turned over to the mercy of the "heart line", where > listeners/viewers would donate money or goods to them. It got to the > point where people (and often whole families) were buying one-way > tickets to New York to try and get on the show. And it was on TV > for close to seven years - 1951 to 1958, right in the middle of > TV's purported "golden age". > > Exploiting people for ratings is nothing new. It's just that others > choose to forget, or would rather keep it forgotten. > > -Shawn Mamros > E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu > From rac@gabrielmass.com Thu Jan 18 16:16:09 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:16:09 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <200701181931.l0IJVYHn006323@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: <200701181931.l0IJVYHn006323@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45AFE399.3060404@gabrielmass.com> Shawn Mamros wrote: > Imagine a quiz show devoted solely to contestants (often whole families) > of meager financial means. And if they couldn't answer the questions > right, they were turned over to the mercy of the "heart line", where > listeners/viewers would donate money or goods to them. Let's also remember "Queen for a Day"; on that show, women competed by telling their troubles to win the best rating on the studio "applause meter"; the winner would get her wish fulfilled, with the help of merchandise gifts from the Spiegel catalog. The son of one contestant tells his mother's experience on the show: http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/projects/hanley/queen.html --RC From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 18 14:05:20 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:05:20 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: <20070118190523.AD54F1024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Chuck Igo" >Subject: Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:47:31 -0500 >You nailed it. While I can recognize and not diagnose, it's fair >to say that the contestant we saw was likely, as they say, "on the >spectrum." There is a line that someone, somewhere, along that >process of vetting that you mention, who had to have stopped and >wondered if this passed the simple test of fairness. Hours of >footage hit the floor. Nothing went to air by accident. >Bill O'Neill All of the people who have posted on this subject have neglected that the Fox broadcast network "enjoyed" record-high ratings for this particular telecast and probably continued to do so Wednesday night. All those who worship at the "broadcasting-is-a-business-only" altar can only retort: "Never mind that it's in bad or even atrocious taste, people want to see it and there's money to be made in providing whatever the public wants to see"...engraved over the entrance to the offices of Spike TV. = dental care from Oral-B Shop for dental care at the official Oral-B online store. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=738063fc579eee419c096ba9cd1b934f From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 18 14:17:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:17:18 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death Message-ID: <20070118191719.58B4E1024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Richard Chonak" >Subject: Re: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:42:17 -0500 >Richard Chonak wrote: > The firing sounds reasonable, if the show's producers ran this > stupid stunt without getting it approved by the company's lawyers. >What a tough way to go. Sadder still that I believe the deceased >left two kids behind, now without a mom. >Join a cheesy radio contest and then die. The sad thing about the >ten staffers who were booted down the stairs? There will be ten >more Mensa candidates taking their places. >Bill O'Neill I definitely would not the following observation to be interpreted as downplaying the sadness and seriousness of this event... but I just happened to hear Rod Fritz do the Fox news-on-the-hour on WRKO, and he included this story during the 'cast. Now I don't know how much control he has over story selection, but I imagine that he must have run it with some satisfaction that it related to Entercom and would be heard over at the Entercom station that jettisoned him. BTW, to paraphrase Tony the Tiger, Rod sounded G-R-R-R-EAT! I think WBZ screwed up, but as I wrote earlier (and you know I don't like to repeat myself) the WRKO defenestration probably occurred too late for the R-man to be considred by WBZ. (Bill...I love your email address me@billoneill.us...it's the first time I've seen anyone be so self-referential in his or her nomenclature. But I notice it ends in .us; does this mean that Vermont is actually IN the US?) = Wilderness Canoe Camping Trips Paddle and camp in Minnesota's BWCA or Canada's Quetico Park. Bring your family or a group of friends and enjoy a wilderness canoe camping trip of a lifetime. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3cbe5f35378fb4c3d39af0b27291f739 From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 18 15:47:29 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:47:29 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: <20070118204735.31AF91BF2A8@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shawn Mamros" >To: "Doug Drown" >Subject: Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:31:34 -0500 > Their naivete and their consequent pain are paraded for all the > nation to see. There's something sick about that. >Anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon related to today's "reality" >programming would do well to study the history of a CBS Radio (later TV) >show named "Strike It Rich". >Imagine a quiz show devoted solely to contestants (often whole families) >of meager financial means. And if they couldn't answer the questions >right, they were turned over to the mercy of the "heart line", where >listeners/viewers would donate money or goods to them. It got to the >point where people (and often whole families) were buying one-way >tickets to New York to try and get on the show. And it was on TV >for close to seven years - 1951 to 1958, right in the middle of >TV's purported "golden age". >Exploiting people for ratings is nothing new. It's just that others >choose to forget, or would rather keep it forgotten. There was a similar show on TV at that time called "Queen For A Day" featuring WOMEN who were in dire straits. = Custom Return Address Labels at iPrint Only $7.99 for large size full color address labels or standard self-adhesive address labels. You can upload your own photo. Easy online design with fast delivery. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=16ee9aefa2900a32b60cd4971e7c2423 From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 18 16:40:11 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:40:11 -0500 Subject: Afternoon Drive Change At WROR Message-ID: <002601c73b49$3bc89140$9447da18@Mark> All Access reporting that WROR afternoon drive host Kevin Redding will be leaving the station soon. Reportedly his contract is not being renewed, and he has agreed to remain until his replacement is found. Is it me or is there constant change in afternoons at WROR? Since Joe Martelle's ill fated and short lived PM drive stint a few years back, it seems they've gone through a few other PM drivers. Mark Watson From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 16:44:07 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:44:07 -0500 Subject: Afternoon Drive Change At WROR In-Reply-To: <002601c73b49$3bc89140$9447da18@Mark> References: <002601c73b49$3bc89140$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <45AFEA27.8080502@billoneill.us> Mark Watson wrote: > Is it me or is there constant change in afternoons at WROR? Since > Joe Martelle's ill fated and short lived PM drive stint a few years > back, it seems they've gone through a few other PM drivers. Hey, if you don't retain the best and promote from the team.... Bill O'Neill From markwats@comcast.net Thu Jan 18 16:49:49 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:49:49 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death References: <20070118191719.58B4E1024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003b01c73b4a$94ebf9a0$9447da18@Mark> Laurence Glavin wrote: > I definitely would not the following observation to be interpreted as > downplaying the sadness and seriousness of this event... > but I just happened to hear Rod Fritz do the Fox news-on-the-hour > on WRKO, and he included this story during the 'cast. Now I don't > know how much control he has over story selection, but I imagine > that he must have run it with some satisfaction that it related to > Entercom and would be heard over at the Entercom station that jettisoned > him. Good to see that Rod Fritz found a new job. How long has he been with Fox Radio? Anyone hear if any of the other ousted WRKO news staffers have found new jobs? Mark Watson From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 16:57:20 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:57:20 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <003b01c73b4a$94ebf9a0$9447da18@Mark> References: <20070118191719.58B4E1024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> <003b01c73b4a$94ebf9a0$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <45AFED40.1060008@billoneill.us> Mark Watson wrote: > Good to see that Rod Fritz found a new job. How long has he been with > Fox Radio? Anyone hear if any of the other ousted WRKO news staffers > have found new jobs? > Fox News Radio has a lot of coverage up here. Fritz seems to be doing mid-days. Sounds great. Good delivery, presence, elements, etc., that you'd expect. Bill O'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Thu Jan 18 17:20:35 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:20:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death Message-ID: <20070118222035.6C306F912@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > According to Reuters, on-air DJs conducted the > contest even though they were aware of -- and made jokes about -- a > previous water-drinking fatality case. I first heard about water intoxication only a few years ago in a child abuse case in Utah that got a fair amount of attention, http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,630152910,00.html. While looking for that story, I found http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/6/1292 written by a San Francisco pediatrician and Stockton District Attorney. It describes a fairly old case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still locally well known. On one hand, a "Hold your wee for a Wii" sounds little more than yet another stupid stunt. Continuing with it after being warned of the dangers sounds like negligent homicide to me. One news item I read said they didn't expect a criminal investigation, I wouldn't be surprised if that changed. From: "Bill O'Neill" > Join a cheesy radio contest and then die. The sad thing about the ten > staffers who were booted down the stairs? There will be ten more Mensa > candidates taking their places. Careful - there's at least one Mensan on this list :-), and I worked with another who had a weekend folk show for quite a while, I think on WBUR. He was more focused on music than stupid stunts, but folk show hosts tend to be like that. Perhaps you meant members of Densa. -Ric Werme From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Jan 18 17:23:33 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <20070118222035.6C306F912@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070118222035.6C306F912@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17839.62309.624934.415788@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > From: "Bill O'Neill" >> Join a cheesy radio contest and then die. The sad thing about the ten >> staffers who were booted down the stairs? There will be ten more Mensa >> candidates taking their places. > Careful - there's at least one Mensan on this list :-), and I worked with > another who had a weekend folk show for quite a while, I think on WBUR. Methinks your sarcasm detector needs recalibration. You have to remember not to take anything BillO('Neill or 'Reilly) says too seriously. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 18 17:35:15 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:35:15 -0500 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <17839.62309.624934.415788@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070118222035.6C306F912@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <17839.62309.624934.415788@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45AFF623.6010205@billoneill.us> Garrett Wollman wrote: > Methinks your sarcasm detector needs recalibration. You have to > remember not to take anything BillO('Neill or 'Reilly) says too > seriously. > > -GAWollman > Aw, shucks, Garrett. I'm moved. I'm really quite moved. (sniff) On reflection, however, I do need to check the calibration of my frivolity alarm from time to time. Bill O (Densa not Mensa) 'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Thu Jan 18 17:51:29 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:51:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bad taste TV, was: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: <20070118225129.31E254390B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Chuck Igo wrote: > > she went straight to the young man mentioned above and offered that > > she thought he was either autistic, semi-autistic, or perhaps > > Aspergur's (sp?) syndrome. one might think that through vetting, > > pre-production, witnessing the audition and then rolling through hours > > of tape in the editing room that someone involved might have picked up > > on a similar thought and followed-up. > You nailed it. While I can recognize and not diagnose, it's fair to say > that the contestant we saw was likely, as they say, "on the spectrum." > There is a line that someone, somewhere, along that process of vetting > that you mention, who had to have stopped and wondered if this passed > the simple test of fairness. I missed the show (heck, I've missed _all_ of them), but might have seen part of that signing and dressing down on Good Morning America. I wouldn't expect someone with Aspergers to want to be on the show. People with Aspergers can't "read" other peoples' non-verbal communication but I guess anyone can get the gist of a verbal dressing down. http://www.aspergers.org/what_is_aspergers_syndrome.htm includes "a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)" I do know two people in Mensa with Aspergers, one was diagnosed only recently at around age 60, the other is early 20s. One other I suspect. I wouldn't expect any of them to be on American Idol. Then again, I can think of only a few friends who'd try out. However, "Some people with Aspergers Syndrome have high IQ scores but many more have average IQ scores and struggle with learning disabilities." It may be that intelligent people with Aspergers are attracted to Mensa because its full of people who never quite fit in and they can relate to that and find acceptance. > Hours of footage hit the floor. Nothing went to air by accident. I think that's the key. It would be really interesting to see some of what didn't get broadcast and have been a fly-on-the-wall at some of the related discussions. Personally, I think American Idol needs a gong. Hearing the gong would help prepare the contestant for the abuse to follow and save contestants from signing their heart out for the whole piece. Yes, I have seen episodes of the The Gong Show.... The Good Morning America segment was on how nasty the judges are. Doesn't that story run each year? -Ric Werme From sid@wrko.com Thu Jan 18 20:10:37 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:10:37 -0700 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: >>If this young man is found to be mentally handicapped, the FCC ought to step in and say "Enough."<< On precisely what grounds? That someone expressed an opinion you didn't like? That someone exploited a handicapped person to get ratings? Gee, Jerry Springer never did that before, did he? Be extremely careful what you wish for. Once any person's right to express an opinion is quashed, it's only a matter of time before yours is too. >>his privacy is slowly being eroded away. If young people heard more stars saying that, maybe they'd think twice.<< In this materialistic, voyeuristic society, the same society that produced "Access Hollywood" and "The Jerry Springer Show?" Ain't gonna happen. The public's collective view of stars is, "You belong to us now. You have no privacy." Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Jan 18 19:41:20 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:41:20 -0500 Subject: panel about early Boston radio Message-ID: <20070119004122.6405664FF04@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> I am going to present a panel at the up-coming Popular Culture Association convention in Boston, in early April. I'd love to have a couple of folks from our list be on my panel-- you do NOT have to be an academic, just a fan of radio history. We'll be doing the presentation about local radio, so of course I'm gonna want to discuss 1XE/WGI and the late great John Shepard 3rd and the Yankee Network and WBZ... but I am open for suggestions too. If any of you would like to be on my panel, that would be wonderful! Let me know off-list. From ewerme@comcast.net Thu Jan 18 21:16:29 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:16:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Marconi Museum _site_ visit Message-ID: <20070119021629.10A1923E5D@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Richard Chonak wrote: > Speaking of mvsevms, I've been trying to find out whether the Marconi > Museum in Bedford, NH, is actually in operation; does anyone know? Never heard of it. I've been to Marconi Station a couple times, but there's not much there! > The organization's web site > http://www.marconiusa.org/museum/ > doesn't list any scheduled hours, and when I called its phone a few days > ago, I reached an answering machine that was full and couldn't take any > more messages. I had an errand today that took me by Bedford, so I figured I should check it out for you. I forgot to check a map before I went, but from the appearance of the building, I figured it had to be close to the center of town. I found it next door to the Town Offices. The parking area was a sheet of ice, a sign in the window said hours are 11-4 Tues-Fri (or Sat?). The door was well locked and it looks like it hasn't been open this week. I consider asking about it at the Town Office, but didn't. There was a small (i.e. personal collection) radio museum in Canterbury I noticed a long time ago. Last summer I found it again, but the owner died a year or two ago. While his son would like to get it going again, he's been busy with his smokehouse. -Ric Werme From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 22:08:29 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bad Taste Radio - media responsibility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <714801.69001.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Now...off of American Idol...and onto something that has been in the news recently. Everyone been following the story of the abducted boys in Missouri? The press (and the public) has been very interested in the story of the boy who was held for 4 years. I am surprised the press is parading him (and his picture) all over the tube, newspapers and magazines, etc. I would think that a young person in his situation deserves a little privacy. The adults (including his parents) should know better...and not allow the intrusiveness of the TV cameras into his life. One can only imagine what this boy was subjected to from his captor for four years. I would think he needs time (and privacy) to heal. I would think the press/media and his parents would understand that. Anyone else feel this when they see the boys picture over and over again on TV? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Jan 18 22:25:34 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:25:34 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT In-Reply-To: <20070118083152.106661CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000301c73b79$7b15db20$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Howie is also on WGAN Portland and WVOM Howland. Will his show continue in Maine? From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 22:52:38 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death In-Reply-To: <45AED801.8050905@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <746500.83527.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:14:25 Richard Chonak wrote the following summary of a news report on yahoo.com : > Entercom has fired 10 staff members of KDND-FM > Sacramento after a > 28-year-old listener died Friday, apparently from > water intoxication > (hyponatremia), after participating in a > water-drinking contest. The > mother of three drank about 7 quarts of water in an > effort to win a > computer game unit. According to Reuters, on-air > DJs conducted the > contest even though they were aware of -- and made > jokes about -- a > previous water-drinking fatality case. I have to admit, although I've personally been out of the radio industry for almost 6 years to the day now, this story has affected me and bothered me incredibly. In this instance, 10 people were fired, and the best breakdown I've heard of that is - 3 morning show hosts, and 2 weekend hosts/morning show producers. Which leaves 5 more people, which I would assume is probably the majority of the promotions staff for Entercom Sacramento (and definitely the entire promotions staff affiliated with KDND). I guess what bothers me most, as a former promotions assistant for a medium market station group similar to this, beside the fact that someone was killed very likely as a direct result of participating in this event, is that it appears to me that several promotions people that may not have been involved in this event at all are gonna be held legally liable for it anyway once the lawsuits start flying. Although the station group I worked for didn't own any stations that had formats condusive to ridiculous contests like this at the time (thank God), I guess I could just see myself in a situation where, hypothetically, we did own a station like this, and a couple pea-brained idiots there did something stupid like this. As a result, the entire promotions department for all stations gets blamed (since promotions people for station groups work on events for all of the stations and not just one), "thrown under the bus", and sued as accomplices in the matter regardless. I really hope I'm just being paranoid, and that everyone that has been fired definitely had something to do willingly with this contest (in which case they deserve everything they're gonna get for this). How many people out there agree/disagree with my assessment/concern? I would especially like any responses or comments from current or former radio promotions people, since you would understand this situation better than others. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 22:00:01 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:00:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: panel about early Boston radio In-Reply-To: <20070119004122.6405664FF04@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <976554.71416.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Donna Halper wrote: > I am going to present a panel at the up-coming > Popular Culture > Association convention in Boston, in early April. > I'd love to have a > couple of folks from our list be on my panel-- you > do NOT have to be > an academic, just a fan of radio history. We'll be > doing the > presentation about local radio, so of course I'm > gonna want to > discuss 1XE/WGI and the late great John Shepard 3rd > and the Yankee > Network and WBZ... but I am open for suggestions > too. If any of you > would like to be on my panel, that would be > wonderful! While I don't think I could be part of the panel...I might like to attend! Is that possible? Maybe some others on the list would like to hear your presentation as well! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Jan 19 00:09:01 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:09:01 -0500 Subject: Marconi Museum _site_ visit In-Reply-To: <20070119021629.10A1923E5D@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070119021629.10A1923E5D@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45B0526D.7000904@gabrielmass.com> Ric Werme wrote: > > I had an errand today that took me by Bedford, so I figured I should check it > out for you. I forgot to check a map before I went, but from the appearance > of the building, I figured it had to be close to the center of town. I > found it next door to the Town Offices. > > The parking area was a sheet of ice, a sign in the window said hours are 11-4 > Tues-Fri (or Sat?). The door was well locked and it looks like it hasn't been > open this week. Thanks for the sleuthing! -_RC From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Jan 19 00:34:40 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:34:40 -0500 Subject: Marconi Museum _site_ visit In-Reply-To: <45B0526D.7000904@gabrielmass.com> References: <20070119021629.10A1923E5D@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45B0526D.7000904@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <20070119053442.B21EA44C02B@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:09 AM 1/19/2007, Richard Chonak wrote: >Ric Werme wrote: >>I had an errand today that took me by Bedford, so I figured I should check it >>out for you. I forgot to check a map before I went, but from the appearance >>of the building, I figured it had to be close to the center of town. I >>found it next door to the Town Offices. As I said, the guy I know who ran it for years is in his 80s and he was ill when last I saw him. I am almost sure his name is Ray Minichiello. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 19 01:43:28 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:43:28 -0500 Subject: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <200701181931.l0IJVYHn006323@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:58:49 EST." <45AFA749.8020204@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45B02240.27709.10B01EA@localhost> On 18 Jan 2007 at 14:31, Shawn Mamros wrote: > Anyone who thinks this is a new phenomenon related to today's > "reality" programming would do well to study the history of a CBS > Radio (later TV) show named "Strike It Rich". I remember that show! It was on weekday mornings and Wednesday evenings on both radio and television. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 19 02:53:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:53:21 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT Message-ID: <20070119075321.CB3EF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >>Howie is also on WGAN Portland and WVOM Howland. Will his show continue in Maine? I believe it will, from what he's said on air. Off in Keene, Burlington, and I believe Concord NH as well, but that's it... = Law Enforcement Equipment Buy law enforcement equipment online. Great source of police equipment at DeSantisHolsters. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=1f9fb4a7a75e70bb373a2785b623c404 From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 02:56:43 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:56:43 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT References: <20070119075321.CB3EF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <04f401c73b9f$937b03e0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > >>Howie is also on WGAN Portland and WVOM Howland. Will his show continue in > Maine? > > I believe it will, from what he's said on air. Off in Keene, Burlington, > and I believe Concord NH as well, but that's it... But the question thru all this is why all the cancellations suddenly....? From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Jan 18 05:54:40 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (chuckigo@maine.rr.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:54:40 -0500 Subject: PSAs In-Reply-To: <20070118091441.83C1D44C01F@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070118091441.83C1D44C01F@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Halper Date: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:15 am Subject: PSAs > (snip) But let me ask those of you who are PDs or > announcers: even if you are sold out, do you still try to fit in > a > certain number of PSAs? If so, are there organizations you prefer > to > use, or is it a matter of whatever got sent to you that week? (snip) > Donna, the one thing we try to do on our stations up here in Portland is bang the drum as loudly as possible for as many local area non-profit events as possible - it is the one thing that we can do to differentiate ourselves as not canned, bird-delivered or syndicated programming. on Oldies 100.9, we try to work the local events in as convseration item as opposed to what some of our stations do - the pre- produced "community calendar" thing. the mentioning of local happenings is probably the most-commented upon aspect of our on-air programming that i hear - that we seem to know everything that is going on. the in-studio list of events i have in front of me is broken down by day so that we get an opportunity to mention the events a few times, especially in the hour or so before they're scheduled to happen. we get plenty of "thank you's" from groups who have had a number of people show up at the event saying they'd just heard about it on the radio and decided "why not." additionally, most of the stations in Portland do latch onto a "national" charitable organization off and on through the year (Red Cross, Toys For Tots, Children's Miracle Network, St.Jude's, cancer support groups, homeless shelters, food banks, etc) for one or two major attention-getters. as far as pre-recorded psa's, though, on our stations they are usually limited to a committment from the Association of Broadcasters (usually Maine's chapter), and those might be drinking & driving messages, coast guard, or highway safety. - -Chuck Igo From sid@wrko.com Fri Jan 19 07:31:56 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:31:56 -0700 Subject: Reuters: ten fired after radio contest death Message-ID: >>the best breakdown I've heard of that is - 3 morning show hosts, and 2 weekend hosts/morning show producers. Which leaves 5 more people, which I would assume is probably the majority of the promotions staff for Entercom Sacramento (and definitely the entire promotions staff affiliated with KDND).<< According to AllAccess, the fired staff included the PD/station manager, the entire five-person morning show, their producer, the promotions manager and two promotions assistants. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Jan 19 09:37:25 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:37:25 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Asperger's (Was: Bad taste TV, was: Bad Taste Radio...) Message-ID: <45B0D7A5.3070401@Gmail.com> Ric Werme wrote, > People with Aspergers can't "read" other peoples' non-verbal > communication but I guess anyone can get the gist of a verbal > dressing down. > http://www.aspergers.org/what_is_aspergers_syndrome.htm includes > "a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, > interests, or achievements with other people > (e.g. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing > out objects of interest to other people)" You missed the more important diagnostic criteria, as relevant to "us": ? B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of ? behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by ? at least one of the following: ? ? encompassing preoccupation with one or more ? stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest ? that is abnormal either in intensity or focus ? ? apparently inflexible adherence to specific, ? nonfunctional routines or rituals ? ? stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms ? (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or ? complex whole-body movements) persistent ? preoccupation with parts of objects Given our??to the average outsider??obsessive "interest" in radio towers, signal patterns, station formats and their presentation/execution, dx-ing, propagation, etc., more than a few of us (definitely myself included! P=) would likely be considered Aspergian. This part of Wikipedia's article on it further solidifies this "diagnosis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Narrow.2C_intense_interests Again quoting Ric, > I do know two people in Mensa with Aspergers, one was > diagnosed only recently at around age 60, the other is > early 20s. We certainly are in good company, as Einstein and Bill Gates are considered to be Aspergian. > However, "Some people with Aspergers Syndrome have high > IQ scores but many more have average IQ scores and > struggle with learning disabilities." It may be that > intelligent people with Aspergers are attracted to Mensa > because its full of people who never quite fit in and they > can relate to that and find acceptance. Well, before anyone gets TOO excited or makes too much out of it, some consider Asperger's Syndrome as nothing more than a PC medicinalization of what has been traditionally known as "Geekism"??and since a lot of us openly acknowledge being "radio geeks"...!!! ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Jan 19 09:37:37 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:37:37 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: <45B0D7B1.8090503@Gmail.com> Sid Schweiger wrote, > >>his privacy is slowly being eroded away. If young people > heard more stars saying that, maybe they'd think twice.<< > > In this materialistic, voyeuristic society, the same society > that produced "Access Hollywood" and "The Jerry Springer Show?" > Ain't gonna happen. You're missing the point: It's not "young people will think twice before going up to a star and bother them".... > The public's collective view of stars is, "You belong to us now. > You have no privacy." THAT's the point: Young people will think twice before **trying to BECOME STARS** and lose their privacy. ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 19 10:06:59 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:06:59 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT In-Reply-To: <20070119075321.CB3EF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070119075321.CB3EF1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45B0DE93.3030003@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson sig'd: > Law Enforcement Equipment > Buy law enforcement equipment online. Great source of police equipment at DeSantisHolsters. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=1f9fb4a7a75e70bb373a2785b623c404 Fascinating Sig! Now I know where to buy a Garrett Super Wand Holster: http://www.desantisholster.com/garrett-holsters.html From sid@wrko.com Fri Jan 19 10:18:03 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:18:03 -0700 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio Message-ID: >>Young people will think twice before **trying to BECOME STARS** and lose their privacy.<< No, that's not the point. The attractions of being a star (remember that term, "materialistic?"), especially to a young person, far outweigh the drawbacks. All they see is money, fame and copious members of the opposite sex to cavort with. Having people you don't know and have never met take an interest in you (sometimes to extremes) is a very powerful draw on one's ego. Famous people are endlessly splattered all over the media, and young people generally don't have the maturity to reject all that in order to keep their privacy. By the time they realize their privacy is gone and there's nothing they can do about it, it's too late. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Jan 19 10:59:59 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:59:59 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0EAFF.6040105@billoneill.us> Sid Schweiger wrote: > By the time they > realize their privacy is gone and there's nothing they can do about it, > it's too late. > And just who among us can't relate to this? [cough] File under: Please don't stare at me at Starbucks. Seriously, as irresponsible as promotional stunts can be, I would still side against legislating against it. This, along with the mis-named "Fairness Doctrine" have no place in a free speech environment. The natural consequences of doing stupid stuff like this include: barristers stepping forth and whipping out words like hitherto, whereas, damages, garnished wages, settlement, license challenge, and new jobs featuring 'fries-with-that?' Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 19 12:23:37 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:23:37 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT Message-ID: <20070119172352.5230F1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >>But the question thru all this is why all the cancellations suddenly....? It sounds like Entercom, whom I believe is currently syndicating him, has asked for higher fees from stations...a post earlier on this list (Bill O'Neill) said that Howie appeared on the WVMT morning show to explain it. Bill said "Indications are that the rights fees were to be raised to exorbitant levels when considering market rank and size." The SaveWRKO blog opined, "It appears the issue is related to a lack of regional ad sales." It could be that Jerry Doyle was more affordable for WVMT to run. Over at WKBK, they decided to put their local late-morning show in the slot, with syndie Glenn Beck taking over for his previous slot: "Starting January 22nd - The Eric Scott show moves to 3p-6p Monday through Friday with live and local talk!" = The Sands at Grace Bay, Turks and Caicos The Sands at Grace Bay is a luxury Caribbean resort on the island of Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands. Located on the shore of one of the most beautiful beaches on the Earth. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=0e390b20a304d47333e66d70cc9c926c From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 19 12:24:09 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr leaves WVMT Message-ID: <20070119172419.7518B1BF2A7@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >>But the question thru all this is why all the cancellations suddenly....? It sounds like Entercom, whom I believe is currently syndicating him, has asked for higher fees from stations...a post earlier on this list (Bill O'Neill) said that Howie appeared on the WVMT morning show to explain it. Bill said "Indications are that the rights fees were to be raised to exorbitant levels when considering market rank and size." The SaveWRKO blog opined, "It appears the issue is related to a lack of regional ad sales." It could be that Jerry Doyle was more affordable for WVMT to run. Over at WKBK, they decided to put their local late-morning show in the slot, with syndie Glenn Beck taking over for his previous slot: "Starting January 22nd - The Eric Scott show moves to 3p-6p Monday through Friday with live and local talk!" = The Sands at Grace Bay, Turks and Caicos The Sands at Grace Bay is a luxury Caribbean resort on the island of Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands. Located on the shore of one of the most beautiful beaches on the Earth. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=0e390b20a304d47333e66d70cc9c926c From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Jan 19 12:52:09 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:52:09 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <45B0EAFF.6040105@billoneill.us> References: <45B0EAFF.6040105@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45B10549.2060001@ttlc.net> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Seriously, as irresponsible as promotional stunts can be, I would still > side against legislating against it. This, along with the mis-named > "Fairness Doctrine" have no place in a free speech environment. The > natural consequences of doing stupid stuff like this include: barristers > stepping forth and whipping out words like hitherto, whereas, damages, > garnished wages, settlement, license challenge, and new jobs featuring > 'fries-with-that?' As irresponsible as a stunt might be, isn't there a legal way for contestants to acknowledge that there are inherent risks (some seen, some unforseen) in any endeavour and that they assume all responsibility, regardless of risks (up to and including death), for whatever may happen to them as a direct result of their actions e.g. drinking too much water? From fox893@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 13:14:52 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:14:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <45B10549.2060001@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <32389.46714.qm@web39112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > As irresponsible as a stunt might be, isn't there a > legal way for > contestants to acknowledge that there are inherent > risks (some seen, > some unforseen) in any endeavour and that they > assume all > responsibility, regardless of risks (up to and > including death), for > whatever may happen to them as a direct result of > their actions e.g. > drinking too much water? > It may help in your defense, but I have always been told that you cannot sign away your right to sue. Am I correct? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 14:07:12 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <32389.46714.qm@web39112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928875.47901.qm@web56810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:14:52 Cooper Fox wrote: > It may help in your defense, but I have always been > told that you cannot sign away your right to sue. > Am I correct? > Although that may be true, I don't think you will get very far once you get into the courtroom, in front of a judge, and those documents you signed are presented as evidence against you. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From musicwerk@gmail.com Fri Jan 19 15:05:02 2007 From: musicwerk@gmail.com (Craig MacNeil) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:05:02 -0500 Subject: Looking for Brudnoy shows Message-ID: <62e81c1d0701191205p224327cci3fbc807f613c9154@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A friend of mine was a frequent guest on David Brudnoy's Movie Nights, but due to the abscence of an archiving system at WBZ, it appears that few-to-none of these shows are available anywhere. I'm trying to put a package together for my friend, and I would dearly appreciate any help. I'm looking for these shows (and any other Brudnoy shows, really) in any format (preferably mp3 or CD, but I'm not picky), and I have lots of music and other material to trade. Also, on the offchance that anyone out there has an interview With Steve Stone that was broadcast on WBCN in the late 70's, PLEASE get in touch. This is my first post here, and I'm thrilled to have found a community for local radio. Best, Craig From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 19 16:49:21 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:49:21 -0500 Subject: Mancow As Moral Arbiter? Message-ID: <20070119214922.3D9D21024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> I happened to watch "The O'Reilly Sphincter" last night because Stephen Colbert was a guest, and the Sacramento radio stunt death came under discussion during another portion of the show. Now O'Reilly seems to have enough juice to get any number of qualified people to discuss the radio industry (Donna for example?), but whom did he choose to pontificate on the subject? Why, Mancow Muller, who thereupon opined that "morning-zoo-style" stunts are for loser stations. Holy hypocrisy Batman...the Moonster made his reputation in part on "zany" stunts according to his entry in wikipedia, including one that famously tied up the San Francisco Bay/Oakland bridge for hours which could have endangered the public by delaying emergency vehicles. The wikipedia entry also states that Mancow promoted a number of unusual contest for lsteners, mostly ones that put contestants through humiliating ordeals. Just as felony convictions hereabouts are no barrier to being hired by WRKO (Howie Carr in his Herald column today gave a heads-up to WRKO for a nother malefactor they should consider), I guess a sordid broadcast radio history not only doesn't PREVENT someone from being a pontificator on the Fox News Channel, it is a BOOST to his or her chances (as well as a gig on the same vehicle at another time). = National Air Cargo National Air Cargo provides air charter, same-day, second-day and deferred air cargo services worldwide. We are available 24 hrs/365 days a year. No weight or size restrictions. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=1961d9b186d51ce43b85a6f3a5998f42 From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 20 00:54:51 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:54:51 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Bad Taste Radio - Girl Dumped Live On The Radio In-Reply-To: <32389.46714.qm@web39112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45B10549.2060001@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <45B1685B.5054.39B775@localhost> On 19 Jan 2007 at 10:14, Cooper Fox wrote: > It may help in your defense, but I have always been > told that you cannot sign away your right to sue. > Am I correct? Not necessarily. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 20 04:17:55 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:17:55 -0500 Subject: Denny Doherty, RIP Message-ID: <20070120091758.63F9644C025@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> It sure seems like we keep losing people-- Denny Doherty, vocalist of the Mamas and Papas just passed away... California Dreamin' was always one of my favourite top 40 hits... From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 20 15:11:29 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:11:29 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <20070120201129.223911024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/01/20/message_received/ It'll take you awhile to reach the part of the story which says that Boston's newest radio station may...not be legit. You mean the FCC didn't license WTCH-FM 106.1? Yes, but they have an excuse. Remember the station awhile back that went on with 99 watts illegally--but it was OK, because the FCC doesn't license stations under 100 watts? It's great that they're serving a community but they are also not a licensed station and I hope nobody there is heartbroken if eventually they are shut down. (Also the article says the station must be non-commercial--am not sure if they are running ads or not--and they must serve as a "noncommercial educational entity, and must "not interfere with larger stations." = Leather Recliners - Free Shipping See Modern Office's online store for leather recliner chairs, office chairs, computer furniture, office furniture, ergonomic furniture and more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a3b9c2103fae1c452c3152c1d5b67fc5 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 20 15:21:13 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:21:13 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe Message-ID: <20070120202121.7D3D565CB72@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Okay fine, I am happy that the black community has its own radio station, now that WILD is gone, but the owners of said station seem to believe they don't need a license for their LPFM, and they are sufficiently confident of this that they did a BIG story (with pictures) in today's Boston Globe. Will the FCC move to shut them down the way they did Radio Free Allston????? http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/01/20/message_received/ From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Jan 20 15:27:53 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:27:53 -0800 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe In-Reply-To: <20070120202121.7D3D565CB72@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070120202121.7D3D565CB72@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: It's better than the Metro story from earlier in the week that neglected to mention anything about the need for a license whatsoever. Meanwhile, the Globe is now getting story ideas from their freebie half-sister, the Metro? Heh. On Saturday, January 20, 2007, at 03:24PM, "Donna Halper" wrote: >Okay fine, I am happy that the black community has its own radio >station, now that WILD is gone, but the owners of said station seem >to believe they don't need a license for their LPFM, and they are >sufficiently confident of this that they did a BIG story (with >pictures) in today's Boston Globe. Will the FCC move to shut them >down the way they did Radio Free >Allston????? >http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/01/20/message_received/ > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Jan 20 15:30:20 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:30:20 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS Message-ID: <20070120203023.C555D65CB80@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Since Bob Nelson and I thought of the same thing at the same time-- my question was not about whether Boston should have black stations-- they absolutely should,and I used to consult WILD back in the Ken Nash era, may he rest in peace. The folks running Touch FM seem to be professionals, family-friendly, etc. BUT, why would they let the Globe do a huge story when they are unlicensed? Surely they must realise the FCC will check into this... or are they certain that the FCC not do so? (I'm old-fashioned about licensing rules -- while I believe the FCC has abdicated much of its oversight function and permitted some pretty vile stuff to be on the air, I still think stations should be licensed, because that rule is still on the books...) From Joe@attorneyross.com Sat Jan 20 16:15:51 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:15:51 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS In-Reply-To: <20070120203023.C555D65CB80@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <45B24037.32145.49A7DF@localhost> On 20 Jan 2007 Donna Halper wrote: > Since Bob Nelson and I thought of the same thing at the same time-- my > question was not about whether Boston should have black stations-- > they absolutely should,and I used to consult WILD back in the Ken Nash > era, may he rest in peace. The folks running Touch FM seem to be > professionals, family-friendly, etc. BUT, why would they let the > Globe do a huge story when they are unlicensed? Surely they must > realise the FCC will check into this... or are they certain that the > FCC not do so? (I'm old-fashioned about licensing rules -- while I > believe the FCC has abdicated much of its oversight function and > permitted some pretty vile stuff to be on the air, I still think > stations should be licensed, because that rule is still on the > books...) Maybe they really DO think that it's OK because the FCC doesn't license stations under 100 watts. We know it isn't so, but there are nuts out there who believe that no law requires payment of income taxes because Ohio was never validly admitted as a state. Maybe these people were advised by some such person and believe it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From gary@garysicecream.com Sat Jan 20 17:37:32 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:37:32 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS In-Reply-To: <45B24037.32145.49A7DF@localhost> Message-ID: <059101c73ce3$92fc4ec0$6500a8c0@Office> Well don't forget...there has been an unlicensed AM station in Lowell using the calls WKNM for years now serving the Portugese community complete with ads (a dollar a holler).........the owner was told by a local police radio installation company that any station under 100 watts is legal.....as a matter of fact it was the local radio installer who does the police and fire radios that installed their transmitter and tower. The former owners of WLLH sent at least 6 letters to the FCC as did local "radio geeks" and nothing has been done in over 10 years - the station still operates........they are even listed on the Boston Catholic website as carrying Sunday mass in Portugese (http://www.bostoncatholic.com/Pages/programs.html). They have signs in front of their building advertising themselves and their frequency (1570). -g -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:16 PM To: Donna Halper Cc: boston Radio Subject: Re: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS On 20 Jan 2007 Donna Halper wrote: > Since Bob Nelson and I thought of the same thing at the same time-- my > question was not about whether Boston should have black stations-- > they absolutely should,and I used to consult WILD back in the Ken Nash > era, may he rest in peace. The folks running Touch FM seem to be > professionals, family-friendly, etc. BUT, why would they let the > Globe do a huge story when they are unlicensed? Surely they must > realise the FCC will check into this... or are they certain that the > FCC not do so? (I'm old-fashioned about licensing rules -- while I > believe the FCC has abdicated much of its oversight function and > permitted some pretty vile stuff to be on the air, I still think > stations should be licensed, because that rule is still on the > books...) Maybe they really DO think that it's OK because the FCC doesn't license stations under 100 watts. We know it isn't so, but there are nuts out there who believe that no law requires payment of income taxes because Ohio was never validly admitted as a state. Maybe these people were advised by some such person and believe it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 1/19/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 1/19/2007 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 20 22:25:03 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:25:03 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <20070121032503.930731158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >>ads being added to my posts Yes I'm afraid that the deal with mail.com is that when you send an email, an ad gets sent with it. When I was having problems with the list (turned out it was because I was sending out HTML emails, not text), someone recommended mail.com to me so I switched. A few days afterwards, I noticed that ads were being added to my posts. I think some other email providers are doing the same. So much for "free" email... = Make Business Card Visit OfficeMax ImPress for business cards online or in-store. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=91fa38988bbb278a9568394ee06fa92d From lglavin@mail.com Sun Jan 21 14:16:24 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:16:24 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS Message-ID: <20070121191624.C53FC164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary's Ice Cream" >To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" >Subject: RE: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:37:32 -0500 >Well don't forget...there has been an unlicensed AM station in Lowell using >the calls WKNM for years now serving the Portugese community complete with >ads (a dollar a holler).........the owner was told by a local police radio >installation company that any station under 100 watts is legal.....as a >matter of fact it was the local radio installer who does the police and fire >radios that installed their transmitter and tower. The former owners of >WLLH sent at least 6 letters to the FCC as did local "radio geeks" and >nothing has been done in over 10 years - the station still >operates........they are even listed on the Boston Catholic website as >carrying Sunday mass in Portugese >(http://www.bostoncatholic.com/Pages/programs.html). My favorite entry on that URL is the listing of Spanish-language religious programming on WBPS-AM 890. Somebody should tell them a format change occurred on that frequency quite a while ago...maybe they can find a home on Rumba 1200/1430. = Big Bear Luxury Lodging - Rentals Why settle for less than a luxury cabin? http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=212bed711f84705b76e43d626ee61e66 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 21 15:13:10 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:13:10 -0500 Subject: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS References: <20070121191624.C53FC164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000301c73d98$a207c510$6da44c0c@SatU205S5044> Was there EVER Spanish RELIGIOUS programming on WAMG when Mega owned the station? I thought the Romantica format was all secular. There was brokered Spanish religous programming on WKOX before it flipped to Progressive talk in 2004. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Gary's Ice Cream" ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Gary's Ice Cream" >>To: "'A. Joseph Ross'" >>Subject: RE: unlicensed LP-FM in today's Boston Globe, PS >>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:37:32 -0500 > >>Well don't forget...there has been an unlicensed AM station in >>Lowell using >>the calls WKNM for years now serving the Portugese community >>complete with >>ads (a dollar a holler).........the owner was told by a local police >>radio >>installation company that any station under 100 watts is >>legal.....as a >>matter of fact it was the local radio installer who does the police >>and fire >>radios that installed their transmitter and tower. The former owners >>of >>WLLH sent at least 6 letters to the FCC as did local "radio geeks" >>and >>nothing has been done in over 10 years - the station still >>operates........they are even listed on the Boston Catholic website >>as >>carrying Sunday mass in Portugese >>(http://www.bostoncatholic.com/Pages/programs.html). > > My favorite entry on that URL is the listing of Spanish-language > religious > programming on WBPS-AM 890. Somebody should tell them a format > change > occurred on that frequency quite a while ago...maybe they can find a > home > on Rumba 1200/1430. > > > > = > Big Bear Luxury Lodging - Rentals > Why settle for less than a luxury cabin? > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=212bed711f84705b76e43d626ee61e66 > > From ewerme@comcast.net Sun Jan 21 18:06:12 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Asperger's (Was: Bad taste TV, was: Bad Taste Radio...) Message-ID: <20070121230612.28D642AE2C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Kaimbridge wrote: >Ric Werme wrote, >Given our - to the average outsider - obsessive "interest" in >radio towers, signal patterns, station formats and their >presentation/execution, dx-ing, propagation, etc., more than >a few of us (definitely myself included! P=) would likely be >considered Aspergian. This part of Wikipedia's article on it >further solidifies this "diagnosis": >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Narrow.2C_intense_interests Yeah, there's also some hint of "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder," mild cases seem to be very useful in engineering, flying, etc. However, what you describe is certainly more Aspergian. Model Railroaders are another group equally obsessed. It's probably no coincidence that MIT has (had?) a model railroad club, though in the 1960s apparently the telephone system and computers we brought on board. >Again quoting Ric, > > I do know two people in Mensa with Aspergers, one was > > diagnosed only recently at around age 60, the other is > > early 20s. >We certainly are in good company, as Einstein and Bill >Gates are considered to be Aspergian. Oh dear, I tried to avoid one possibly related "syndrome" that's quite controversial between the describer and the clinical autism community. I don't know about Gates (he's a lousy engineer, great marketeer), but Einstein started talking late, around 4 years. The Wikipedia article mentions: Asperger syndrome is differentiated from other PDDs and from high functioning autism (HFA) in that early development is normal and there is no language delay. My sister found a book by Thomas Sowell titled "Late Talking Children" which caught her eye because I didn't have much to say until 4 and then started talking in complete sentences. Chris was astonished that Sowell's description of his son and other "sufferers" sounded just like me and bought it for me for Christmas. Key characteristics include: -> Very good mechanical reasoning ability (childproof locks can be defeated in seconds). -> Make needs well known non verbally. -> _Not_ withdrawn as in classical autism. -> Good to remarkable musical skills. -> Grow up to be software engineers. Sowell has been raked over the coals by autism clinicians in part because ecomomists aren't supposed to be defining new syndromes, and they fear that people reading his book won't get their late talkers evaluated for autism. Of course, Sowell is equally unimpressed by clinicians who refuse to give any acknowledgement that he might have found something interesting and will probably diagnose a late talking child as needing immediate intervention for autism. While I am a geek, while I didn't get married until I was 38, while no one has ever called me gregarious, if someone suggests I'm autistic I'll buy a copy of Sowell's books to shove down their throats. :-) Or give them a gallon of water to drink.... Sowell has a newer book out, "The Einstein Syndrome," http://www.tsowell.com/latetalk2.html which I haven't read yet, but should. His original "Late Talking Children" is at http://www.amazon.com/Late-Talking-Children-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465038352/sr=1-1/qid=1169418055/ref=sr_1_1/104-2184689-8263923?ie=UTF8&s=books Late Talking Children So, umm, I'm kinda far away from the "Bad Taste Radio" topic, but what the heck. I guess I saw what educators call a "learning opportunity." Oh - one other note - I ran into someone on a USENET group who was diagnosed as a classic autistic as a child. Apparently a lot of high functioning autistics make their way onto computer networks and do quite well. No surprising noises, flashing lights, touching, distractions, etc. give them a reassuring environment. -Ric Werme From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Jan 21 18:32:40 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:32:40 -0500 Subject: Asperger's (Was: Bad taste TV, was: Bad Taste Radio...) In-Reply-To: <20070121230612.28D642AE2C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070121230612.28D642AE2C@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: At 6:06 PM -0500 1/21/07, Ric Werme wrote: > >Oh dear, I tried to avoid one possibly related "syndrome" that's quite >controversial between the describer and the clinical autism community. >I don't know about Gates (he's a lousy engineer, great marketeer), but >Einstein started talking late, around 4 years. The Wikipedia article >mentions: > > Asperger syndrome is differentiated from other PDDs and from high > functioning autism (HFA) in that early development is normal and > there is no language delay. My 17 year old nephew has Asperbergers, and he did start talking rather late. Now you can't shut him up for anything! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From gary@garysicecream.com Sun Jan 21 19:01:15 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:01:15 -0500 Subject: Channel 56 and HD Message-ID: <004001c73db8$6f9c2790$6500a8c0@Office> I still have complaints about Ch 56. They are still passing all the CW programs in standard def instead of HD. But they are running the HD message at the start of the network shows - but I have noticed that they lay the WLVI WLVI-DTV ID over the HD insert. Grrrrrrrrrr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 00:47:20 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:47:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <16539204.1169444840600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:11:29 -0500 > Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > > Also the article says the station must be non-commercial-- > am not sure if they are running ads or not I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's are non-commercial. EP From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 22 01:00:50 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:00:50 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <16539204.1169444840600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <16539204.1169444840600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070122060054.E117344C01D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Eli wrote-- > >I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and >soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's >are non-commercial. And I wonder if they pay their ASCAP and BMI fees-- the rates have gone up dramatically, which is a story for another day; but no kidding, if you play music, you are supposed to pay them. I don't recall any exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading the rules incorrectly. From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 22 01:07:45 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:07:45 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070122060054.E117344C01D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on rolinin.bostonradio.org autolearn=failed version=3.1.7 rolinin.bostonradio.org References: <16539204.1169444840600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20070122060054.E117344C01D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on rolinin.bostonradio.org autolearn=failed version=3.1.7 rolinin.bostonradio.org Message-ID: <45B454B1.1050603@fybush.com> Donna Halper wrote: > >> Eli wrote-- >> >> I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and >> soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's >> are non-commercial. > > And I wonder if they pay their ASCAP and BMI fees-- the rates have gone > up dramatically, which is a story for another day; but no kidding, if > you play music, you are supposed to pay them. I don't recall any > exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading the rules incorrectly. > One wonders, too, whether the "Touch FM" folks are paying all the various taxes and obtaining all the various permits that are a price of doing business legitimately these days. The IRS is no fun to deal with, either! s From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 22 02:05:29 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:05:29 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <20070122070530.11B5A1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> From: "Eli Polonsky" >>I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's are non-commercial. More ammunition for the FCC, should a complaint come in (and it will, eventually). Radio Free Vermont (late 90s, 96.5 in Rutland) got shut down for illegally broadcasting and they, too, ran ads (I have a tape of them and there was an ad for a golf driving range in nearby Clarendon.) RFV still has a site up and they say they remain off the air: "Forget the 'LPFM license'. You can't sell advertising on it and it isn't affordable." = Roof Replacement - Roofing Underlayments Replacing your roof, insist on Grace Ice and Water Shield for premium roof leak protection. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=7f415e3cef11d72aab402f1a8f856447 From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Jan 22 02:40:53 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:40:53 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070122070530.11B5A1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070122070530.11B5A1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070122074057.C5C7F67FA88@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:05 AM 1/22/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >Radio Free Vermont (late 90s, 96.5 >in Rutland) got shut down for illegally broadcasting and >they, too, ran ads (I have a tape of them and there was >an ad for a golf driving range in nearby Clarendon.) What still annoys me is how Radio Free Allston was shut down-- it ran no ads, served groups in the community that were not being served at all, was totally non-profit and mainly staffed by volunteers... and yet the FCC (on a complaint from, I believe WROR) came in and shut them down. I never understood what harm RFA was doing to anyone with their low power and their commitment to the community. Yet assorted pirates who ARE trying to make money still remain on the air. I don't get it. From m1bz@hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 09:16:18 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:16:18 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070122074057.C5C7F67FA88@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: Sunday morning, driving down route 93 southbound, I first picked up 106.1 Touch FM at the Winchester Highlands, if you know the area. Reception was spotty at best, continuing with static interruptions til I got to the lower deck. Lost it in the tunnel, but on the other side of the tunnel, it came in strong. Remained a decent signal from the Southie/Dorchester stretch, through Milton and Quincy. Lost the signal for a second when I got on Route 3 south, lost it for good at Derby St (exit 15) in Hingham when WCOD powered through. I tell you all that as evidence that the station can be heard in a swath that's larger than five miles. Programming was interesting. They were marking recent deaths, including the widow of John Coltrane. I wish them well. I can't argue with their stated mission. I just hope they find a way to become legit and stay on the air. >From: Donna Halper >To: "Bob Nelson" , "Eli Polonsky" >, "BostonRadio Mailing >List" >Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:40:53 -0500 > >At 02:05 AM 1/22/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>Radio Free Vermont (late 90s, 96.5 >>in Rutland) got shut down for illegally broadcasting and >>they, too, ran ads (I have a tape of them and there was >>an ad for a golf driving range in nearby Clarendon.) > >What still annoys me is how Radio Free Allston was shut down-- it ran no >ads, served groups in the community that were not being served at all, was >totally non-profit and mainly staffed by volunteers... and yet the FCC (on >a complaint from, I believe WROR) came in and shut them down. I never >understood what harm RFA was doing to anyone with their low power and their >commitment to the community. Yet assorted pirates who ARE trying to make >money still remain on the air. I don't get it. > _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jan 22 09:37:51 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:37:51 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B4CC3F.8060001@gabrielmass.com> The station has a web site at http://www.touchfm.org , with a sample playlist of mp3s. If the FCC gets after them, it'll be "Ouch FM". --RC From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Jan 22 14:35:20 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:35:20 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070122060054.E117344C01D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <16539204.1169444840600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20070122060054.E117344C01D@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <17845.4600.522441.420625@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > [I]f you play music, you are supposed to pay [ASCAP/BMI/SESAC]. I > don't recall any exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading > the rules incorrectly. There is a statutory license for non-commercial broadcasting, unless Congress has eliminated it recently, but most stations don't take advantage as it costs more than a negotiated license would. -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Mon Jan 22 14:51:25 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:51:25 -0500 Subject: Scott's NERW rant Message-ID: <45B515BD.4000107@billoneill.us> Great reading Scott's latest NERW installment today. Quoting his parenthetical: "(In a world in which we can each have our own customized programming as close as a webstream or an MP3 player, it's a function best served by media other than broadcast radio, anyway.)" Neglected AMs are a clear victory for local governments and other decision makers for the public good who, otherwise, would be subject to press accountability. I don't think we realize just how impacting that is on the big picture. And a slightly better ad value than tacky phone book covers or placemats at the local diner. I'm on a local school board here in (Middlebury) Vermont (yes, crossed over from the Fourth Estate to the 'other side.') Most meetings have zero press presence (but for the local paper who likely views the public access TV coverage). The only local AM in Middlebury is all but bird-fed sports, including AM drive. Zero local presence. The local FM is bird-fed classic country. Another FM is a (honking) repeater for WAMC public radio. WCLX is a decent mom and pop (literally) for album rock but no news presence. If you hope to get local radio news out of Burlington, even those with local casts are rip n' read, little or no wraps, no stringers covering municipal or school stuff. Rutland, same deal. The only station in the state that gives an impression of local news coverage (albeit minimal from the field) is WDEV. If there's the big melt-down, I'll likely tune to WDEV. That leads to the question, if or when there is "the big $%*@! story" where would you tune on the radio by reaction? Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jan 22 12:49:09 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:49:09 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <20070122174910.86C931CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Eli Polonsky" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:00:50 -0500 > Eli wrote-- > > I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and > soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's > are non-commercial. >And I wonder if they pay their ASCAP and BMI fees-- the rates have >gone up dramatically, which is a story for another day; but no >kidding, if you play music, you are supposed to pay them. I don't >recall any exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading the >rules incorrectly. It was brought up at the "Bring back Boston's Progressive Talk" meeting last week that one broadcaster definitely affected by this is good guy Bob Bitner. On radio-info.com's Boston board, Bob said that later in the year he plans to move to Maine and run both WJTO and WJIB as simulcasts, possible to save $$$$$$$. = Popcorn Machines on Sale Today At liquidation connect you can find low prices on high quality popcorn machines on sale today. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8002a0dc5e2e58ce7bf04c2ab3184ecb From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 22 17:32:07 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:32:07 -0500 Subject: WCRB Website Message-ID: <45B4F517.2243.BA6F1E@localhost> WCRB has announced its new Website, which is now available at http://wcrb.com . -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Mon Jan 22 17:39:26 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:39:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: WCRB Website In-Reply-To: <45B4F517.2243.BA6F1E@localhost> References: <45B4F517.2243.BA6F1E@localhost> Message-ID: <42382.66.195.169.98.1169505566.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> > WCRB has announced its new Website, which is now available at > http://wcrb.com . Looks medium-market at best...but at least there's a "Contact Us" page, which might stem the flow of "Dear WCRB" e-mails that have been coming to us at the Archives, since our WCRB page was the only one out there for a while. From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Jan 22 17:48:39 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:48:39 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 References: <20070122174910.86C931CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <009101c73e77$76094da0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> When Bob ran his DX test last year, WJTO had a better signal into beautiful downtown Topsfield, MA than JIB...I sure wish he would bring the Bout "bell" back... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Eli Polonsky" ; Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donna Halper" > >To: "Eli Polonsky" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > >Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:00:50 -0500 > > Eli wrote-- > > > > I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and > > soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's > > are non-commercial. > > >And I wonder if they pay their ASCAP and BMI fees-- the rates have > >gone up dramatically, which is a story for another day; but no > >kidding, if you play music, you are supposed to pay them. I don't > >recall any exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading the > >rules incorrectly. > > It was brought up at the "Bring back Boston's Progressive Talk" meeting last > week that one broadcaster definitely affected by this is good guy Bob > Bitner. On radio-info.com's Boston board, Bob said that later in the > year he plans to move to Maine and run both WJTO and WJIB as simulcasts, > possible to save $$$$$$$. > > = > Popcorn Machines on Sale Today > At liquidation connect you can find low prices on high quality popcorn machines on sale today. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8002a0dc5e2e58ce7bf04c2ab3184ecb > > > From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Jan 22 18:05:06 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:05:06 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 References: <20070122174910.86C931CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <009101c73e77$76094da0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <000601c73e79$c213f040$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Let's try it again...the "buoy bell" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Laurence Glavin" ; "Donna Halper" ; "Eli Polonsky" ; Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > When Bob ran his DX test last year, WJTO had a better signal into beautiful > downtown Topsfield, MA than JIB...I sure wish he would bring the Bout "bell" > back... > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Donna Halper" ; "Eli Polonsky" > ; > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Donna Halper" > > >To: "Eli Polonsky" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > > >Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:00:50 -0500 > > > Eli wrote-- > > > > > > I've listened to the "station". It is running advertisments, and > > > soliciting them on their website. Legitimately licensed LPFM's > > > are non-commercial. > > > > >And I wonder if they pay their ASCAP and BMI fees-- the rates have > > >gone up dramatically, which is a story for another day; but no > > >kidding, if you play music, you are supposed to pay them. I don't > > >recall any exemptions for small stations, unless I am reading the > > >rules incorrectly. > > > > It was brought up at the "Bring back Boston's Progressive Talk" meeting > last > > week that one broadcaster definitely affected by this is good guy Bob > > Bitner. On radio-info.com's Boston board, Bob said that later in the > > year he plans to move to Maine and run both WJTO and WJIB as simulcasts, > > possible to save $$$$$$$. > > > > = > > Popcorn Machines on Sale Today > > At liquidation connect you can find low prices on high quality popcorn > machines on sale today. > > > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=8002a0dc5e2e58ce7bf04c2ab3184ecb > > > > > > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Jan 22 19:10:55 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:10:55 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <45B4CC3F.8060001@gabrielmass.com> References: <45B4CC3F.8060001@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <45B5528F.1090709@ttlc.net> Richard Chonak wrote: > The station has a web site at http://www.touchfm.org , with a sample > playlist of mp3s. The sample playlist includes a promo for December 31, 2006. The Web Site touts a Lauch (sic) Party on December 31, 2006. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 23 00:10:27 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:10:27 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070122174910.86C931CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070122174910.86C931CE305@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45B55273.6703.7A292A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Jan 2007 at 12:49, Laurence Glavin wrote: > It was brought up at the "Bring back Boston's Progressive Talk" meeting last > week that one broadcaster definitely affected by this is good guy Bob > Bitner. On radio-info.com's Boston board, Bob said that later in the > year he plans to move to Maine and run both WJTO and WJIB as simulcasts, > possible to save $$$$$$$. I don't see how Bob Bittner is affected by Touch FM. Could you draw the connection a bit more clearly? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 23 00:10:27 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:10:27 -0500 Subject: WCRB Website In-Reply-To: <42382.66.195.169.98.1169505566.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> References: <45B4F517.2243.BA6F1E@localhost>, <42382.66.195.169.98.1169505566.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: <45B55273.29136.7A29AA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 22 Jan 2007 at 17:39, Scott Fybush wrote: > Looks medium-market at best...but at least there's a "Contact Us" page, > which might stem the flow of "Dear WCRB" e-mails that have been coming to > us at the Archives, since our WCRB page was the only one out there for a > while. What do you mean by "medium-market"? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Jan 23 00:17:25 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:17:25 -0500 Subject: WCRB Website In-Reply-To: <45B55273.29136.7A29AA@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45B4F517.2243.BA6F1E@localhost> <42382.66.195.169.98.1169505566.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> <45B55273.29136.7A29AA@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17845.39525.894191.252664@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > What do you mean by "medium-market"? Class, today's assignment is to compare and contrast the following Web sites: -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Jan 23 03:17:37 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:17:37 -0500 Subject: WAVM's Joe Magno has died Message-ID: <20070123081737.C2CFC1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Reported on Ch 7 at 11 pm and also in Metrowest Daily News: http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/homepage/8998984994965684222 Maynard High School teacher and WAVM 91.7 advisor Joe Magno has died (Ch 7 said it was a heart attack/advanced diabetes complications). Yesterday he appeared in court (jury selection in his trial--he was accused of sexual assault on at least one teen--was to have begun Friday) but later he was found dead in his home... Magno had been a longtime advisor at WAVM, which almost got thrown off the air when U-Mass Boston's WUMB tried to usurp its frequency. More recently an agreement was made between WAVM, WUMB, and Living Proof that allowed the station to remain on air... = Move Yourself & Save You pack; we seal it & deliver securely, on-time anywhere; saving 50%. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=71c9aefafc6f96a99f50cb6b3eee1760 From Joe@attorneyross.com Tue Jan 23 12:44:49 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:44:49 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <20070123172624.3AED71024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45B60341.3550.25EB85@localhost> On 23 Jan 2007 Laurence Glavin wrote: > Maybe I should have retained all of the previous content. > As the Touch FM thread evolved, a comment was made that they probably > didn't pay ASCAP and BMI fees...then I entered what you read above. I must be dense because I still don't get how Touch FM not paying ASCAP and BMI fees affects Bob Bittner. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Jan 23 12:50:23 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:50:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <45B60341.3550.25EB85@localhost> Message-ID: <696431.17607.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > I must be dense because I still don't get how Touch FM not paying > ASCAP and BMI fees affects Bob Bittner. Point was made that ASCAP and BMI are hiking their fees significantly. thus hurting the owner of a "commercial" station that doesn't play commercials. Another point was made that a non-legal operation such as Touch FM likely isn't paying ASCAP/BMI fees. A third point was made that non-comms apparently don't have to pay license fees. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 23 12:26:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:26:18 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 Message-ID: <20070123172624.3AED71024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:10:27 -0500 >On 22 Jan 2007 at 12:49, Laurence Glavin wrote: > It was brought up at the "Bring back Boston's Progressive Talk" meeting last > week that one broadcaster definitely affected by this is good guy Bob > Bitner. On radio-info.com's Boston board, Bob said that later in the > year he plans to move to Maine and run both WJTO and WJIB as simulcasts, > possible to save $$$$$$$. >I don't see how Bob Bittner is affected by Touch FM. Could you draw >the connection a bit more clearly? Maybe I should have retained all of the previous content. As the Touch FM thread evolved, a comment was made that they probably didn't pay ASCAP and BMI fees...then I entered what you read above. = Highland Woodworking Tools and Education Serving woodworkers for 27 years with a comprehensive selection of hand and power tools, books, supplies and seminars. Home of the legendary Wood Slicer resaw bandsaw blade. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=becdae9988cf6167d912f8fb1d29ac16 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Jan 23 12:57:18 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:57:18 -0500 Subject: Globe article on Touch FM (not legal) 106.1 In-Reply-To: <696431.17607.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <45B60341.3550.25EB85@localhost> <696431.17607.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17846.19582.547328.602127@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A third point was made that non-comms apparently don't have to pay > license fees. Who said that? It is not true. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Tue Jan 23 15:38:44 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:38:44 -0500 Subject: WCRB Website Message-ID: <20070123203845.3ADCE478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Garrett Wollman" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" >Subject: Re: WCRB Website >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:17:25 -0500 >Class, today's assignment is to compare and contrast the following Web sites: If you're talking about appearance and functionality, wcrb.com's website seems comparable to other radio-station websites. It's bright, colorful, has all its 'buttons' from left-to-right, which I prefer. It appears it was brought up too soon...it contains a page destined to provide a list of musical performances in the area, but at present, it's empty. It DOES present a piece of newsworthy information: they plan to resume the classical-cartoon festival at Symphony Hall in the spring. One detriment...it has only ARCHIVES of music played... not prospective lists so a person could plan future listening. WQXR's website is very 'busy' because it's the radio station of the New York Times. There are links to the paper and several arts organization such as the 92nd St Y and St. Luke's Orchestra. Its playlist provides only 24-hours notice of future programming. KING-FM's website's appearance is ok, but the primary value is a prospective playlist that goes a few days in the future so listeners can plan their listening: tomorrow, Wednesday they've scheduled Bruckner's Eighth Symphony, a piece as long as Beethoven's 9th but with no chorus, very gutsy. The one that I don't like is wfmr.com. No imagery associated with Milwaukee (beer perhaps?); the links vertically down the left-hand side; just archives, no prospective programming. Just by chance, I viewed the website of the Sacramento station that held the fatal water-drinking contest (there was a link to it on another radio site); if that's "major-market" it may be because there are so many bright and colorful pictures, including a little motion or lights going on-and-off. = Pre-qualified, Pre-assessed Candidates Solutions 4 Hiring is the source for superior performers. Each hire guaranteed for 6 months and comes with a full evaluation and development plan. Contact us for your risk free trial today. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=efefe3337b62673f3004a236088f5a8d From n1qgs@yahoo.com Tue Jan 23 19:57:41 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:57:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 Message-ID: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From what I can gather, the Red Sox baseball broadcasts will be on WKBR 1250 in Manchester this year, and not WGIR 610. If I recall, exept for a short stint on WFEA 1370 Manchester during either the WITS or WPLM flagship days, the Sox have been on WGIR most of my fifty years. Now this posses a small problem for me. At twilight WEEI gets very often gets walked on by the Penn Yan 850 station. WKBR's night time clover-leaf pattern has a null in my direction and is somewhat noisy. WGIR always provided a great signal for my in Derry. OH WAIT, NEVER MIND, THEY'LL be on 680 WRKO, most of the time, duh! I wish the Armed Forces Radio Network still carried major league games on short wave. I got to listen to games from all over the country FOR FREE, back 30-40 years ago! John B Derry From paulranderson@charter.net Tue Jan 23 21:21:46 2007 From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:21:46 -0500 Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C21493C-95AD-4F62-B1D5-A95BF064A72E@charter.net> On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:57 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > From what I can gather, the Red Sox baseball broadcasts will be on > WKBR 1250 in Manchester this year, and not WGIR 610. > > If I recall, exept for a short stint on WFEA 1370 Manchester during > either the WITS or WPLM flagship days, the Sox have been on WGIR > most of my fifty years. > > Now this posses a small problem for me. At twilight WEEI gets very > often gets walked on by the Penn Yan 850 station. WKBR's night time > clover-leaf pattern has a null in my direction and is somewhat > noisy. WGIR always provided a great signal for my in Derry. OH > WAIT, NEVER MIND, THEY'LL be on 680 WRKO, most of the time, duh! It looks like WKBR's signal is worse than WGIR's save Manchester and the immediate area. OH WAIT, NEVER MIND, there's always WTIC and XM. Does WRKO make it up this way (west of Nashua)? Paul From gary@garysicecream.com Tue Jan 23 22:12:28 2007 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:12:28 -0500 Subject: More trouble on Ch 56HD Message-ID: <000801c73f65$7b4eff50$6500a8c0@Office> More problems on HD56 Tonight at the end of the network feed....at 10pm it went to black for 2 minutes, followed by color bars and tone with the graphic saying "New York TX HD". This went on til I called Ch 7 Master Control who quickly switched first to CBS News feed (don't know where they got that from)....then back to bars then to 7 News on 56 at 10....but that didn't happen til 10:11pm.................. G -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.6/646 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 From hykker@grolen.com Tue Jan 23 22:15:21 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:15:21 -0500 Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070123221145.01a81218@grolen.com> John Bolduc wrote: >If I recall, exept for a short stint on WFEA 1370 Manchester during either >the WITS or WPLM flagship days, the Sox have been on WGIR most of my fifty >years. The Sox were on WKBR for a couple years in the late 80s/early 90s. >Now this posses a small problem for me. At twilight WEEI gets very often >gets walked on by the Penn Yan 850 station. WKBR's night time clover-leaf >pattern has a null in my direction and is somewhat noisy. I think WKBR's night pattern pretty much goes due east...they actually put a stronger signal over Manchester at night than they do in the day. Of course they don't go much of anywhere else at night. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/643 - Release Date: 1/21/2007 From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 24 03:48:21 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:48:21 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC Message-ID: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> In Boston, classical fans had to change their presets when WCRB moved to 99.5 FM, but at least the station is still around. Washington DC just lost their commercial classical outlet, WGMS (Washington's Good Music Station?) which is now playing adult hits as "George 104". But classical is still around, thanks to WETA picking it up. However while the move has no doubt pleased classical fans, it's annoying fans of shows that have gotten displaced, like NPR news/talk/entertainment (though I think WAMU may carry them) and a locally produced folk show (the manager of the New Christy Minstrels comments on their blog that he's upset that the show was cancelled). Well, can't please everyone I guess... http://weta.org/fm/blog/?p=40#postcomment = employee development Register Today for Leadership & Communication Training at Boston U. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=fd0ce0164802afa72e797a19b0f00c1f From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 07:21:31 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:21:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > However while the move has no doubt pleased classical fans, it's > annoying fans of shows that have > gotten displaced, like NPR news/talk/entertainment (though I think > WAMU may carry them) and > a locally produced folk show (the manager of the New Christy > Minstrels comments on their > blog that he's upset that the show was cancelled). Indeed, WAMU does carry NPR news programming -- and it was the main source for those programs until a couple years ago, when WETA then de-emphasized classical music. There's also WTWP, which fashions itself as an NPR-style station but slowly is fading away from that, especially now that Tony Kornheiser has signed on. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From pete@partnercomm.com Wed Jan 24 09:39:33 2007 From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:39:33 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B76FA5.1010903@partnercomm.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: >> However while the move has no doubt pleased classical fans, it's >> annoying fans of shows that have >> gotten displaced, like NPR news/talk/entertainment (though I think >> WAMU may carry them) and >> a locally produced folk show (the manager of the New Christy >> Minstrels comments on their >> blog that he's upset that the show was cancelled). > > Indeed, WAMU does carry NPR news programming -- and it was the main > source for those programs until a couple years ago, when WETA then > de-emphasized classical music. There's also WTWP, which fashions itself > as an NPR-style station but slowly is fading away from that, especially > now that Tony Kornheiser has signed on. Since I've lived here, WAMU has always been a 90% NPR/PRI talker, with WETA switching about 2 years ago to a 95% NPR/PRI/BBC talker (from its aforementioned classical focus). The two both carried the "big shows" (Morning Edition, All Things Considered, Marketplace and a few others). The rest of their programming was largely not duplicated. WGMS was displaced in January 2006 (during the great {delete Z104, move WTOP to FM, bump WGMS, create WTWP} shuffle) from 103.5B (Washington DC) to a simulcast of 104.1B (Waldorf, MD) / 103.9A (Braddock Heights, MD), two more distant DC signals (much to the consternation of Classical fans). WAMU has shifted its lineup a bit to pick up several shows carried by WETA, and I suspect there may be some additional shifting. Further details are at http://www.drctv.com if you want more. The "death" of WGMS in its recent form was anticipated for quite a while. Ob Opinion: Unless it is a stunt or simply something to fill in dead air, why add another "Jack" clone to the dial here? Mix 107.3 (WRQX - Washington DC) has a class B signal to which 104.1 can't compare. I realize that the 12+ ratings available to the public doesn't tell much of a story - but does WARW (classic rock) and WRQX ("Jack" clone) bill that much better? WGMS was consistently (not insignificantly) profitable... -Peter -- Peter Murray (N3IXY) Oak Hill, VA From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Jan 24 10:30:24 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:30:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26912.12.37.144.130.1169652624.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Wed, January 24, 2007 07:21, Sean Smyth wrote: > There's also WTWP, which fashions itself > as an NPR-style station but slowly is fading away from that, especially > now that Tony Kornheiser has signed on. Apparently WTWP's ratings have been lackluster. Maybe Bonneville will eventually do the right thing and move the news format BACK to AM 15 - probably leaving the Washington Post Radio on FM? Seems like that would help WTWP compete a bit more against the NPR stations which are on FM. I'm sure that AM 15's nasty pattern over the city doesn't help matters much, either. Wonder if there's any way they could fix that. Stephanie From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Jan 24 12:09:44 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:09:44 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: At 3:48 AM -0500 1/24/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > >However while the move has no doubt pleased classical fans, it's >annoying fans of shows that have >gotten displaced, like NPR news/talk/entertainment (though I think >WAMU may carry them) and >a locally produced folk show (the manager of the New Christy >Minstrels comments on their >blog that he's upset that the show was cancelled). I seem to remember last time I was in the DC area, a few years ago, there was some folk music on WTMD in Towson, MD. However, the signal does not reach into the southern parts of the DC area. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 24 12:09:32 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:09:32 -0500 Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 References: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6C21493C-95AD-4F62-B1D5-A95BF064A72E@charter.net> Message-ID: <001d01c73fda$6b367560$4e904c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Anderson To: Boston Radio Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 > On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:57 PM, John Bolduc wrote: > > > From what I can gather, the Red Sox baseball broadcasts will be on > > WKBR 1250 in Manchester this year, and not WGIR 610. > > > > If I recall, exept for a short stint on WFEA 1370 Manchester during > > either the WITS or WPLM flagship days, the Sox have been on WGIR > > most of my fifty years. > > > > Now this posses a small problem for me. At twilight WEEI gets very > > often gets walked on by the Penn Yan 850 station. WKBR's night time > > clover-leaf pattern has a null in my direction and is somewhat > > noisy. WGIR always provided a great signal for my in Derry. OH > > WAIT, NEVER MIND, THEY'LL be on 680 WRKO, most of the time, duh! > > It looks like WKBR's signal is worse than WGIR's save Manchester and > the immediate area. OH WAIT, NEVER MIND, there's always WTIC and XM. > There's persistent talk over at radio-info.com that the Yankees are interested in a stronger Connecticut signal and are looking to get on WTIC. Have both the Red Sox 'TIC deal and the Yankees' WPOP deal expired? Can anyone confim anything on this? Howard From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 12:55:56 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:55:56 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 3:48 AM -0500 1/24/07, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >> However while the move has no doubt pleased classical fans, it's >> annoying fans of shows that have >> gotten displaced, like NPR news/talk/entertainment (though I think >> WAMU may carry them) and >> a locally produced folk show (the manager of the New Christy Minstrels >> comments on their >> blog that he's upset that the show was cancelled). > > I seem to remember last time I was in the DC area, a few years ago, > there was some folk music on WTMD in Towson, MD. However, the signal > does not reach into the southern parts of the DC area. Actually, it does, and then some - if you have an HD radio. WAMU is now carrying WTMD's programming on its HD3 channel, along with its 24-hour bluegrass stream on its HD2. More innovative thinking like that, and people might even want to seek out and buy the radios :-) s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 13:04:30 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:04:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> Message-ID: <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > More innovative thinking like that, and people might even want to > seek > out and buy the radios :-) I don't know about that, Scott. Cheapest prices I saw looking at a couple places online were $139. And those were car radios. Tabletops were going for $249 and up. Still price prohibitive for someone like me. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Jan 24 13:28:02 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:28:02 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> In addition to the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio (~$300), RadioShack also sells the "Accurian" HD table top radio for ~$200 on what they claim is an exclusive basis. I would be interested if anyone has an experience with either of these. I have heard that HD does not work very well if you live too far from the transmitter unless you have a fairly good antenna. I live in the shadow of the WCRB tower in Andover, and I am wondering if I will need a rooftop antenna just to get HD from stations on the Pru or 128 towers (in which case, I'll spend the $2-300 on CDs instead...LOL). Thanks in advance for any comments. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sean Smyth Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:05 PM To: Scott Fybush Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC Scott Fybush wrote: > More innovative thinking like that, and people might even want to > seek > out and buy the radios :-) I don't know about that, Scott. Cheapest prices I saw looking at a couple places online were $139. And those were car radios. Tabletops were going for $249 and up. Still price prohibitive for someone like me. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 13:11:51 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:11:51 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <26912.12.37.144.130.1169652624.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <26912.12.37.144.130.1169652624.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <45B7A167.9060709@fybush.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > Apparently WTWP's ratings have been lackluster. > > Maybe Bonneville will eventually do the right thing and move the news > format BACK to AM 15 - probably leaving the Washington Post Radio on FM? > > Seems like that would help WTWP compete a bit more against the NPR > stations which are on FM. > > I'm sure that AM 15's nasty pattern over the city doesn't help matters > much, either. Wonder if there's any way they could fix that. Short answer? No. Washington got the short end of the stick when they were handing out AM signals in the 1920s and 1930s. It was a small, sleepy Southern town back then, and suburbia, such as it was, extended across the Potomac as far as Alexandria. As a result, the city ended up with two decent class III signals, WMAL 630 and WRC (now WTEM) 980, plus the I-B clear on 1500, WJSV/WTOP. Everything else is either effectively a daytimer (730, 780, 1120) or a very limited in-city signal (1260, 1340, 1450). Because it had to protect KSTP in St. Paul, north and west of Washington, WJSV went about as far north and west as it needed to go in the late thirties to serve Washington with adequate signal level (remember, the rule back then specified 25 mV/m over the main post office in the city of license) while covering the populated areas with a night signal. They had no way of knowing back then just how much suburban development would pop up to the west and the north, and by the time suburbia had grown, it was too late for WTOP to make any really useful move, being hemmed in by new signals on 1520 in Brunswick MD, 1490 in Hagerstown, etc. WTOP did negotiate an interference agreement with the 1500s in St. Paul and Detroit a few years back that allowed all three stations to improve their night signals, but it wasn't enough. As a result of the lousy AM signals, Washington has become one of the most FM-centric markets in the country, and the move of WTOP to 103.5 was simply a case of following the listeners to the part of the dial where they preferred to listen. Bonneville's made similar moves in Salt Lake City and Phoenix, where its news-talkers were on excellent AM signals (1160 and 620, respectively) but where a young, sprawling audience was expecting to find what it wanted on FM. s From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 12:56:49 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:56:49 -0500 Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 In-Reply-To: <001d01c73fda$6b367560$4e904c0c@oemcomputer> References: <20070124005741.11272.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6C21493C-95AD-4F62-B1D5-A95BF064A72E@charter.net> <001d01c73fda$6b367560$4e904c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <45B79DE1.8000305@fybush.com> Howard Glazer wrote: > There's persistent talk over at radio-info.com that the Yankees are > interested in a stronger Connecticut signal and are looking to get on WTIC. > Have both the Red Sox 'TIC deal and the Yankees' WPOP deal expired? Can > anyone confim anything on this? The Sox have re-signed with WTIC for 2007, much to the relief of Sox fans everywhere west of Route 128. It's not like you can't hear 880 in Hartford, after all... s From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 13:58:01 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:58:01 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <45B7AC39.9080008@fybush.com> Jim wrote: > In addition to the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio (~$300), RadioShack > also sells the "Accurian" HD table top radio for ~$200 on what they claim is > an exclusive basis. > > I would be interested if anyone has an experience with either of these. > > I have heard that HD does not work very well if you live too far from the > transmitter unless you have a fairly good antenna. I live in the shadow of > the WCRB tower in Andover, and I am wondering if I will need a rooftop > antenna just to get HD from stations on the Pru or 128 towers (in which > case, I'll spend the $2-300 on CDs instead...LOL). > > Thanks in advance for any comments. Accurian is one of RS' house brands, like "Archer" and "Realistic" in an earlier era. I picked up the Accurian when it was on sale for $99 around the holidays. It's a decent $99 radio. Not sure I'd drop $200 on it. The HD radios I've used (the BA as well as the Accurian) seem to do pretty well when it comes to rejecting overload from other nearby stations on other frequencies. They're decently sensitive on FM, as well. With the BA, I successfully picked up 99.5's HD from Waban, right in the shadow of the 128 towers, using only a cheap pair of rabbit ears. Hearing Pru and 128 signals from Andover should be roughly comparable. The nice thing about RS is, you can always try it and take it back if it doesn't work. s From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 14:16:10 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:16:10 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <26912.12.37.144.130.1169652624.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45B7A167.9060709@fybush.com> <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <45B7B07A.4080006@fybush.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > On Wed, January 24, 2007 13:11, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> it was too late for WTOP to make any really useful move, being >> hemmed in by new signals on 1520 in Brunswick MD, 1490 in Hagerstown, > > Those would probably be easy enough to buy and shut down for good. Would > that improve things a bit? If WTOP could somehow find a new site further west and a bit south, maybe. But that's precisely where the growth is hottest and heaviest, and you have Dulles Airport in that direction, too, which makes the siting of a big new DA impractical if not entirely impossible. What's more, the FCC's inane "ratchet rule" would come into play, negating any nighttime improvement WTOP would get as a result. (I'm on my way into work for the rest of the day, so I'll leave it to our Esteemed and Recuperating Moderator to further explain that one.) Moving to FM made much more economic sense, and didn't kick off a ten-year, multimillion dollar zoning battle in the process. s From stephanie@gordsven.com Wed Jan 24 14:11:25 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:11:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <45B7A167.9060709@fybush.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <457729.85610.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <26912.12.37.144.130.1169652624.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45B7A167.9060709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Wed, January 24, 2007 13:11, Scott Fybush wrote: >it was too late for WTOP to make any really useful move, being > hemmed in by new signals on 1520 in Brunswick MD, 1490 in Hagerstown, Those would probably be easy enough to buy and shut down for good. Would that improve things a bit? steph From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 24 15:20:15 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:20:15 -0500 Subject: Red Sox Leaving WGIR Manchester NH in 2007 Message-ID: <20070124202015.CF52E1BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> By the way a page on the WRKO site lists the Red Sox network and while WGIR isn't on there, sister station WGIN 930 Rochester is (though they list it as "Manchester"). However WKBR is not listed... >>http://wrko.com/article.asp?id=319319 WBOQ is listed; wasn't sure if they'd be back. Keep in mind that this list may not totally be accurate and it may be recycling info from last year (though WCRN 830 Worcester is with the Sox for the first time and they are listed.) = Lighting Fixtures - over 600 Stores James R. Moder crystal chandeliers from $89 to $10,000 trimmed with imported crystal, including strass and spectra crystal manufactured by Swarovski. Call for price and ordering information. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=962bc6e1bd15d2d111658b4b89645a0f From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 24 15:14:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:14:18 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC Message-ID: <20070124201421.43BD3164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Smyth" >To: "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:04:30 -0800 (PST) >Scott Fybush wrote: > More innovative thinking like that, and people might even want to > seek out and buy the radios :-) >I don't know about that, Scott. Cheapest prices I saw looking at a >couple places online were $139. And those were car radios. Tabletops >were going for $249 and up. Still price prohibitive for someone like me. I read that Cambridge Soundworks is closing most of its retail stores... story at: http://www.twice.com/article/CA6407799.html Of course the problem with store-closing sales is the chance of hassles with returning the items; could you go to a still-open C.S.W. and get your money back? But if they have an outlet nearby, you could give them a try. = Mass Renters Insurance State Fund Insurance provides Renters Insurance and quotes. We also provide auto, home, condo, life, business insurance and more. Fill out our form. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=d7008417b166257df3fa99814bbf2601 From lglavin@mail.com Wed Jan 24 16:23:04 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:23:04 -0500 Subject: WBRU Changes Message-ID: <20070124212308.1B110478020@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Brown University's WBRU-FM 95.5 in Providence has an application before the FCC to move its antenna to Johnston, RI, increase antenna height and install a directional antenna. The plot at fcc.gov shows about the same signal toward Hahvud's WHRB-FM 95.3, but I suspect it will probably impinge on that station's already fragile coverage a bit more. BTW,this was listed as a minor change in an existing facility...let's see: a notable power increase AND an increase of HAAT from 456 feet to 613 feet! As Winston Leonard Spenser Churchill (who, whenever he was in Chicago, always listened to WLS) might put it "SOME minor change". = Pedometer Wholesale pedometers for large group walking programs. 5% extra free pedometers with every order. Free logo imprint, free shipping. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=9628c4212883d0cc6deb077f33581c6f From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Jan 24 16:31:12 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:31:12 -0500 Subject: WBRU Changes In-Reply-To: <20070124212308.1B110478020@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070124212308.1B110478020@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17847.53280.615478.69572@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > fragile coverage a bit more. BTW,this was listed as a minor change > in an existing facility...let's see: a notable power increase AND an > increase of HAAT from 456 feet to 613 feet! No change in allotment, therefore it's a minor change. That's how it works. It makes sense for 'BRU to maximize its facilities, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got a better deal from a new landlord anyway. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Wed Jan 24 16:40:16 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:40:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBRU Changes In-Reply-To: <17847.53280.615478.69572@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070124212308.1B110478020@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <17847.53280.615478.69572@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <34020.66.195.169.98.1169674816.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com> > < > said: > >> fragile coverage a bit more. BTW,this was listed as a minor change >> in an existing facility...let's see: a notable power increase AND an >> increase of HAAT from 456 feet to 613 feet! > > No change in allotment, therefore it's a minor change. That's how it > works. It makes sense for 'BRU to maximize its facilities, and I > wouldn't be surprised if they got a better deal from a new landlord > anyway. This would have been a minor change even under the old rules; under the new rules that took effect this week, many allotment changes are considered "minor" now as well. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Jan 24 22:11:44 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:11:44 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <45B7AC39.9080008@fybush.com> References: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <45B7AC39.9080008@fybush.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070124220439.0259fc28@BelloAssoc.com> It amazes me that there are still no receivers or separate tuners with HD capability. A table radio is not going to satisfy anyone with a decent stereo or surround sound system. At 01:58 PM 1/24/2007, Scott Fybush wrote: >Jim wrote: >>In addition to the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio (~$300), RadioShack >>also sells the "Accurian" HD table top radio for ~$200 on what they claim is >>an exclusive basis. >>I would be interested if anyone has an experience with either of these. >>I have heard that HD does not work very well if you live too far from the >>transmitter unless you have a fairly good antenna. I live in the shadow of >>the WCRB tower in Andover, and I am wondering if I will need a rooftop >>antenna just to get HD from stations on the Pru or 128 towers (in which >>case, I'll spend the $2-300 on CDs instead...LOL). >>Thanks in advance for any comments. > >Accurian is one of RS' house brands, like "Archer" and "Realistic" >in an earlier era. > >I picked up the Accurian when it was on sale for $99 around the >holidays. It's a decent $99 radio. Not sure I'd drop $200 on it. > >The HD radios I've used (the BA as well as the Accurian) seem to do >pretty well when it comes to rejecting overload from other nearby >stations on other frequencies. They're decently sensitive on FM, as well. > >With the BA, I successfully picked up 99.5's HD from Waban, right in >the shadow of the 128 towers, using only a cheap pair of rabbit >ears. Hearing Pru and 128 signals from Andover should be roughly comparable. > >The nice thing about RS is, you can always try it and take it back >if it doesn't work. > >s From jjlehmann@comcast.net Wed Jan 24 22:17:48 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:17:48 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070124220439.0259fc28@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <00b701c7402f$6fd30750$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > It amazes me that there are still no receivers or separate tuners > with HD capability. I have the Sangean HDT-1 tuner, which costs $199, and is a very good tuner. It receives HD on AM&FM, RDS on FM, and AM Stereo on AM (unadvertised, but I have audio recorded from WJIB to prove it). As far as I know, the only store it's available at locally is You Do It Electronics in Needham. Here's the tuner available online from Universal radio. http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0149.html Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From john@minutemancomm.com Thu Jan 25 00:00:14 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:14 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070124220439.0259fc28@BelloAssoc.com> References: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com><535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com><013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward><45B7AC39.9080008@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070124220439.0259fc28@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <008601c7403d$b3db1290$6400a8c0@johnster1> Oh there are... http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200002 http://www.daysequerra.com/product.aspx?id=25 http://www.daysequerra.com/product.aspx?id=22 http://www.ada.net/products/receivers/htr_2400.php -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bello Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:12 PM To: Scott Fybush; aerie.ma@comcast.net Cc: 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC - HD It amazes me that there are still no receivers or separate tuners with HD capability. A table radio is not going to satisfy anyone with a decent stereo or surround sound system. At 01:58 PM 1/24/2007, Scott Fybush wrote: >Jim wrote: >>In addition to the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio (~$300), RadioShack >>also sells the "Accurian" HD table top radio for ~$200 on what they claim is >>an exclusive basis. >>I would be interested if anyone has an experience with either of these. >>I have heard that HD does not work very well if you live too far from the >>transmitter unless you have a fairly good antenna. I live in the shadow of >>the WCRB tower in Andover, and I am wondering if I will need a rooftop >>antenna just to get HD from stations on the Pru or 128 towers (in which >>case, I'll spend the $2-300 on CDs instead...LOL). >>Thanks in advance for any comments. > >Accurian is one of RS' house brands, like "Archer" and "Realistic" >in an earlier era. > >I picked up the Accurian when it was on sale for $99 around the >holidays. It's a decent $99 radio. Not sure I'd drop $200 on it. > >The HD radios I've used (the BA as well as the Accurian) seem to do >pretty well when it comes to rejecting overload from other nearby >stations on other frequencies. They're decently sensitive on FM, as well. > >With the BA, I successfully picked up 99.5's HD from Waban, right in >the shadow of the 128 towers, using only a cheap pair of rabbit >ears. Hearing Pru and 128 signals from Andover should be roughly comparable. > >The nice thing about RS is, you can always try it and take it back >if it doesn't work. > >s From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Thu Jan 25 00:19:52 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:19:52 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <008601c7403d$b3db1290$6400a8c0@johnster1> References: <45B79DAC.70604@fybush.com> <535641.17806.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <013e01c73fe5$621480c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> <45B7AC39.9080008@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070124220439.0259fc28@BelloAssoc.com> <008601c7403d$b3db1290$6400a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070125001348.025ac008@BelloAssoc.com> Not at Tweeter, Best Buy...... These come at prices that are not acceptable to 99.9 percent of the public. A tuner for $1,600 or $2,700 ! ADA receiver doesn't list a retail. How can HD Radio be sold to the masses at Rolls Royce prices ? At 12:00 AM 1/25/2007, John Mullaney wrote: > Oh there are... >http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200002 >http://www.daysequerra.com/product.aspx?id=25 >http://www.daysequerra.com/product.aspx?id=22 >http://www.ada.net/products/receivers/htr_2400.php > >-----Original Message----- >From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org >[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of >Ron Bello >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:12 PM >To: Scott Fybush; aerie.ma@comcast.net >Cc: 'BostonRadio Mailing List' >Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC - HD > > >It amazes me that there are still no receivers or separate tuners with HD >capability. > >A table radio is not going to satisfy anyone with a decent stereo or >surround sound system. > > >At 01:58 PM 1/24/2007, Scott Fybush wrote: > >Jim wrote: > >>In addition to the Boston Acoustics Receptor HD radio (~$300), RadioShack > >>also sells the "Accurian" HD table top radio for ~$200 on what they claim >is > >>an exclusive basis. > >>I would be interested if anyone has an experience with either of these. > >>I have heard that HD does not work very well if you live too far from the > >>transmitter unless you have a fairly good antenna. I live in the shadow of > >>the WCRB tower in Andover, and I am wondering if I will need a rooftop > >>antenna just to get HD from stations on the Pru or 128 towers (in which > >>case, I'll spend the $2-300 on CDs instead...LOL). > >>Thanks in advance for any comments. > > > >Accurian is one of RS' house brands, like "Archer" and "Realistic" > >in an earlier era. > > > >I picked up the Accurian when it was on sale for $99 around the > >holidays. It's a decent $99 radio. Not sure I'd drop $200 on it. > > > >The HD radios I've used (the BA as well as the Accurian) seem to do > >pretty well when it comes to rejecting overload from other nearby > >stations on other frequencies. They're decently sensitive on FM, as well. > > > >With the BA, I successfully picked up 99.5's HD from Waban, right in > >the shadow of the 128 towers, using only a cheap pair of rabbit > >ears. Hearing Pru and 128 signals from Andover should be roughly >comparable. > > > >The nice thing about RS is, you can always try it and take it back > >if it doesn't work. > > > >s From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 25 00:37:23 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:37:23 -0500 Subject: WBRU Changes In-Reply-To: <17847.53280.615478.69572@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20070124212308.1B110478020@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <17847.53280.615478.69572@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45B7FBC3.5364.68D3E0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Jan 2007 at 16:31, Garrett Wollman wrote: > No change in allotment, therefore it's a minor change. That's how it > works. It makes sense for 'BRU to maximize its facilities, and I > wouldn't be surprised if they got a better deal from a new landlord > anyway. What is a change in allotment? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Jan 25 00:37:23 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:37:23 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <45B7B07A.4080006@fybush.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com>, <45B7B07A.4080006@fybush.com> Message-ID: <45B7FBC3.13577.68D2C3@joe.attorneyross.com> On 24 Jan 2007 at 14:16, Scott Fybush wrote: > What's more, the FCC's inane "ratchet rule" would come into play, > negating any nighttime improvement WTOP would get as a result. (I'm on > my way into work for the rest of the day, so I'll leave it to our > Esteemed and Recuperating Moderator to further explain that one.) What's a "ratchet rule"? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 25 01:46:06 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:46:06 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <45B7FBC3.13577.68D2C3@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com>, <45B7B07A.4080006@fybush.com> <45B7FBC3.13577.68D2C3@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45B8522E.5030808@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 24 Jan 2007 at 14:16, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> What's more, the FCC's inane "ratchet rule" would come into play, >> negating any nighttime improvement WTOP would get as a result. (I'm on >> my way into work for the rest of the day, so I'll leave it to our >> Esteemed and Recuperating Moderator to further explain that one.) > > What's a "ratchet rule"? I was hoping Garrett would rise to the bait on that one, but he didn't, and I need to get to bed. In a nutshell: in a misguided attempt to clean up interference on the AM dial a few years back, the FCC adopted a rule that required AM stations making voluntary changes to their nighttime facilities to be able to demonstrate that the change would reduce the amount of interference caused to other stations by 10%. The intention was good, but the outcome was not. The new WOR is an excellent example. Because its move to a new site was not considered an "involuntary" move (though in that particular case, with its old site lost to development, it might have been able to make such an argument), WOR had to put some otherwise unnecessary nulls in its new night pattern to satisfy the ratchet rule and reduce nonexistent interference to a Canadian station that doesn't even exist anymore. And the existence of the ratchet clause has kept a number of AM stations from moving at all, since any new facility will almost inevitably end up with less coverage than an existing one. It's bad engineering and bad regulation, and deserves to be scrapped. To answer the other question on the table - an allotment, in FM terms, is - or was, until just this week when the rules changed - the line in the FCC's Table of Allotments, enshrined in the Code of Federal Regulations, that specifies which FM channels may be used at which classes in which communities. So the table listed, for instance, 238B for Providence, which meant that a class B station could exist on 95.5 (channel 238) in Providence. Most any change to a station's class, channel or city of license was considered a major change, because it changed the Table of Allotments. The new rules shrink the Table of Allotments so it lists only channels that are available but for which no construction permit or license exists. Under the new rules, WBRU could change channel, class or even city of license as a minor change, so long as the rest of the FCC's regulations (on matters such as channel spacing, city of license coverage and equitable distribution of service) are met. Real-life example: under the old rules, WXRV had to first petition for a change in the Table to remove the allotment for 223B at Haverhill MA and add an allotment for 223B at Andover MA. Only then could WXRV actually apply to change city of license. Under the new rules, the whole move could be filed as a one-step minor change, though with most of the same paperwork that the two-step move required. s From brian_vita@cssinc.com Thu Jan 25 10:12:42 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:12:42 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC - HD In-Reply-To: <00b701c7402f$6fd30750$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <00b701c7402f$6fd30750$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <45B8C8EA.9060409@cssinc.com> Jeff Lehmann wrote: >> It amazes me that there are still no receivers or separate tuners >> with HD capability. >> > > I have the Sangean HDT-1 tuner, which costs $199, and is a very good tuner. > It receives HD on AM&FM, RDS on FM, and AM Stereo on AM (unadvertised, but I > have audio recorded from WJIB to prove it). > > As far as I know, the only store it's available at locally is You Do It > Electronics in Needham. > > Here's the tuner available online from Universal radio. > > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/spcialty/0149.html > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > Try this link for better info: http://sangean.com/product.php?model=HDT-1 From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Jan 25 10:43:38 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:43:38 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:46:06 EST." <45B8522E.5030808@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200701251543.l0PFhcPY017453@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> >Real-life example: under the old rules, WXRV had to first petition for a >change in the Table to remove the allotment for 223B at Haverhill MA and >add an allotment for 223B at Andover MA. Only then could WXRV actually >apply to change city of license. Under the new rules, the whole move >could be filed as a one-step minor change, though with most of the same >paperwork that the two-step move required. The Table allotments were based on city of license, not transmitter location, right? If so, WXRV wouldn't have been a major change, because only the transmitter went to Andover; they're still licensed to Haverhill. (Either that, or they've been doing all of their legal IDs wrong...) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Jan 25 12:23:09 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:23:09 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> When WJIB went up in the ratings (especially after WXKS dumped standards in Oct of '04), many of us felt good that the "easy as the breeze" station was getting more listeners. But Bob Bittner found out recently that music licensers wanted to charge more money for stations with higher ratings. Now he may have to ask listeners to donate, or may have to sell the station (another option could be libtalk but Bob likes airing his "good music"...) Details in Herald article http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=179066 "Bittner said he gets lots of inquiries from advertisers, but wants nothing to do with them. ?There?s lots of money to make? from get-rich-quick schemes and diet pills, he said." = Lcd Repair Specialists Laptop LCD repair for all brands including Toshiba, IBM, Sony, Compaq, Sharp and Dell. Request a free estimate. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=6e19ba71d96ee139be0d48c340639230 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 25 11:57:06 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:57:06 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC References: <20070124084821.6ECE4478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>, <42867.12.37.144.130.1169665885.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com>, <45B7B07A.4080006@fybush.com> <45B7FBC3.13577.68D2C3@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <003b01c740a1$df7445c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> The ratchet rule (hatchet rule?) requres stations making significant technical changes to reduce interference to other stations. (Many changes that the FCC classifies as minor are nevertheless significant enough to invoke the ratchet rule.) On AM, this can necessitate reductions in areas of caused and received co- and adjacent-channel daytime-contour overlap. For changes to AM nighttime facilities, the rule forces reductions in the changing station's contribution to the 50%-exclusion NIF (nighttime interference-free) contours of usually a handful co- and first-adjacent channel stations. Remember, NIF calculations have involved first adjacents for only maybe a decade or so. Therefore, virtually any change to an AM's night facilities requires pulling in contours in a lot of directions. It's quite unusual for an AM to be able to improve its night facilities without shooting itself in the foot. WKOX and WCRN are unusual cases! I'm not familiar with consequences of the FM ratchet rule, but I suspect that they are similar to those on AM. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC > On 24 Jan 2007 at 14:16, Scott Fybush wrote: > > > What's more, the FCC's inane "ratchet rule" would come into play, > > negating any nighttime improvement WTOP would get as a result. (I'm on > > my way into work for the rest of the day, so I'll leave it to our > > Esteemed and Recuperating Moderator to further explain that one.) > > What's a "ratchet rule"? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From stephanie@gordsven.com Thu Jan 25 12:41:44 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Thu, January 25, 2007 12:23, Bob Nelson wrote: . Now he may have to ask listeners to donate, or may > have to sell > the station (another option could be libtalk but Bob likes airing his > "good music"...) > > Details in Herald article > > http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=179066 Jeeze. :( If Bob ends up having to sell the station, maybe one of us, or a bunch of us here, could get together and buy it for a nominal price? With the stipulation that we could keep the format going as is or ownership reverts to Bob? Sure we won't get rich quickly (if at all) by doing it...but as a public service? 'JIB sounds like what I'd like to do if I had a radio station, for sure. -- steph From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Jan 25 13:23:42 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:23:42 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <200701251543.l0PFhcPY017453@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> References: <45B8522E.5030808@fybush.com> <200701251543.l0PFhcPY017453@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu> Message-ID: <17848.62894.836844.700962@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > The Table allotments were based on city of license, not transmitter > location, right? If so, WXRV wouldn't have been a major change, > because only the transmitter went to Andover The transmitter has not moved (and is not proposed to move). Only the community of license has changed, but WXRV has not yet filed for the (pro forma) license to cover on that construction permit, for reasons which are unclear. (They are still required to do all of the usual RFI and environmental certifications even though nothing is going to change.) It's possible that they are still negotiating a new site, and they will file an amendment to their existing construction permit before it expires to move elsewhere. I was never able to figure out a plausible move scenario for 92.5 that would city-grade Andover but not Haverhill, given that they are third-adjacent to WUMB-FM and just barely fully-spaced as it is. (Any possible move would have to be to the west, but still maintain 63 km spacing to WBPR while adding contour protection to Waterbury and Providence, and I don't see how that benefits them at all. With a downgrade to B1 they might just barely fit at ATC Peabody -- with a big null towards Boston -- but given what they would likely lose in that scenario it makes no sense to me.) -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 13:46:09 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:46:09 -0500 Subject: WXRV (was Classical change...) Message-ID: > > From: Shawn Mamros > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > To: Scott Fybush > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:43:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC > > The Table allotments were based on city of license, > not transmitter location, right? If so, WXRV wouldn't > have been a major change, because only the transmitter > went to Andover; they're still licensed to Haverhill. > (Either that, or they've been doing all of their legal > IDs wrong...) Actually, WXRV has not moved their transmitter, nor are they applying to. For some reason they changed their COL to Andover, but their transmitter remains in Haverhill. Why they did this, I have no idea. I know they want to image as a Boston station, but I'm sure their signal doesn't cover Boston well enough to make it their COL, and they can't move the transmitter (significantly) any closer due to a number of other stations. I don't think they could even move it to Andover without a major power reduction. Perhaps they want to build a new studio facility (or at least a sales office) in a town that's at least along a highway to Boston (Route 93), than stay to in Haverhill which is sort of off the beaten path geographically. EP From me@billoneill.us Thu Jan 25 14:08:11 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:08:11 -0500 Subject: WXRV (was Classical change...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B9001B.8010200@billoneill.us> Eli Polonsky wrote: > Perhaps they want to build a new studio facility (or at > least a sales office) in a town that's at least along a > highway to Boston (Route 93), than stay to in Haverhill > which is sort of off the beaten path geographically. Then, there would be nothing stopping them if it's simply a change of studio location, e.g., Woburn, etc., or from opening satellite sales offices, etc. Bill O'Neill From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 25 14:34:48 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:34:48 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC Message-ID: <20070125193448.AA94A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:57:06 -0500 >The ratchet rule (hatchet rule?) requres stations making significant >technical changes to reduce interference to other stations. (Many changes >that the FCC classifies as minor are nevertheless significant enough to >invoke the ratchet rule.) On AM, this can necessitate reductions in areas of >caused and received co- and adjacent-channel daytime-contour >overlap. I was thinking about daytime-contour-overlap when I read on NERW that WWDJ-AM 970 Hackensack NJ would be boosting its power to 50,000 watts. I know that radio-locator.com is for entertainment purposes only, but currently WWDJ's coverage map there shows a positive lobe over Long Island Sound, towards New Haven's WELI-AM 960. I guess it's acceptable to both because both frequencies have been in use for decades. I wouldn't be surprised if the pattern WWDJ adopts to reduce daytime intereference to WELI results in a possible LOSS of listeners somewhere along the line. I didn't take notes, but my *Sam Adams besotted brain tells me that's why no owner of WJIB-AM 740 ever boosted the wattage of that outlet because it would cause over-water interference to the 730 in Bath, ME (now coincidentally owned for now by the same individual). *(Can't forget to take that case of Sam Adams I have in the garage to save refrigerator space into the house.) = Nationwide Home Inspection Training American Home Inspectors Training Institute provides hands-on and home-study Home Inspection Training courses, as well as software, web sites, books, videos, checklists and more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3ccd6db6be4d7cadbebbd43e6de104b0 From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 25 18:22:41 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:22:41 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC References: <20070125193448.AA94A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001c01c740d7$bd284df0$8da94c0c@SatU205S5044> Interference that occurs over open water doesn't count. Also, under special circumstances, interference that occurs over land is made to, umm, disappear. If an area of received interference is very far (carefully undefined term) from the station that receives the interference, the interference is ignored. Because of the salt-water path across Long Island Sound, many New York Cty area AMs interfere with New England AMs east of Naragansett Bay. The FCC says this interference doesn't exist (or at least doesn't count). WAMG's CP to almost double its night power was granted when the very clever consulting engineer, Glen Clark, realized that, because WAMG's tall towers produce little high-angle skywave, all of the nighttime interference that WAMG causes to WCBS occurs south of Long Island. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Dan Strassberg" ; "A. Joseph Ross" ; "Scott Fybush" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" ; Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:57:06 -0500 >The ratchet rule (hatchet rule?) requres stations making significant >technical changes to reduce interference to other stations. (Many >changes >that the FCC classifies as minor are nevertheless significant enough >to >invoke the ratchet rule.) On AM, this can necessitate reductions in >areas of >caused and received co- and adjacent-channel daytime-contour >overlap. I was thinking about daytime-contour-overlap when I read on NERW that WWDJ-AM 970 Hackensack NJ would be boosting its power to 50,000 watts. I know that radio-locator.com is for entertainment purposes only, but currently WWDJ's coverage map there shows a positive lobe over Long Island Sound, towards New Haven's WELI-AM 960. I guess it's acceptable to both because both frequencies have been in use for decades. I wouldn't be surprised if the pattern WWDJ adopts to reduce daytime intereference to WELI results in a possible LOSS of listeners somewhere along the line. I didn't take notes, but my *Sam Adams besotted brain tells me that's why no owner of WJIB-AM 740 ever boosted the wattage of that outlet because it would cause over-water interference to the 730 in Bath, ME (now coincidentally owned for now by the same individual). *(Can't forget to take that case of Sam Adams I have in the garage to save refrigerator space into the house.) = Nationwide Home Inspection Training American Home Inspectors Training Institute provides hands-on and home-study Home Inspection Training courses, as well as software, web sites, books, videos, checklists and more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3ccd6db6be4d7cadbebbd43e6de104b0 From scott@fybush.com Thu Jan 25 18:26:38 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Classical change in Washington DC In-Reply-To: <001c01c740d7$bd284df0$8da94c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <20070125193448.AA94A1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <001c01c740d7$bd284df0$8da94c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <62082.66.195.169.98.1169767598.squirrel@webmail12.pair.com> > Interference that occurs over open water doesn't count. Also, under > special circumstances, interference that occurs over land is made to, > umm, disappear. Dan is correct about this. To tie up another loose thread from earlier in this discussion, there is no ratchet clause for FM (thankfully!) s From lglavin@mail.com Thu Jan 25 18:50:55 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:50:55 -0500 Subject: Classical change in Washington DC Message-ID: <20070125235055.93E0E164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Dan.Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Classical change in Washington DC >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) > Interference that occurs over open water doesn't count. Also, under > special circumstances, interference that occurs over land is made to, > umm, disappear. >Dan is correct about this. >To tie up another loose thread from earlier in this discussion, there is >no ratchet clause for FM (thankfully!) >s Hmmm...this means that with WHEB-AM 750 gone, WJIB-AM could in fact have boosted its power in the past, even without the Bob Bittner co-ownership. In those days, there were definite power steps: 250 watts; 500 watts; 1,000 watts... nowadays someone could propose 827 watts to pick a number at random. = Portable Stages and Accessories Integrity Furniture provides churches with great prices and customer service for their stage and platform needs. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=99d456a62e5f875996c0d6bb664bed9b From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Jan 25 21:11:50 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:11:50 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <20070125235055.93E0E164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070125235055.93E0E164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17849.25446.583193.530561@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Hmmm...this means that with WHEB-AM 750 gone, WJIB-AM could in fact > have boosted its power in the past, even without the Bob Bittner > co-ownership. Certainly could have, and nearly did (pre-Bob). That construction permit was never built; it would have required an expensive directional array and a change in city of license (to Needham, IIRC). If I remember our conversation about it from several years ago, the CP was still outstanding when Bob bought the station, but he didn't think it made any financial sense (which is probably correct). -GAWollman From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 22:25:06 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:25:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: WXRV (was Classical change...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <408988.48592.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > > The Table allotments were based on city of > license, > > not transmitter location, right? If so, WXRV > wouldn't > > have been a major change, because only the > transmitter > > went to Andover; they're still licensed to > Haverhill. > > (Either that, or they've been doing all of their > legal > > IDs wrong...) > > Actually, WXRV has not moved their transmitter, nor > are > they applying to. For some reason they changed their > COL > to Andover, but their transmitter remains in > Haverhill. > > Why they did this, I have no idea. Ummmm...because saying "Andover" every hour is nicer than saying "Haverhill" and all the social stigma that comes with it. ;-) Although, The (real) river (The Merrimack) runs thru Haverhill....not Andover. ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Jan 25 22:42:41 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:42:41 -0500 Subject: WJIB References: <20070125235055.93E0E164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <17849.25446.583193.530561@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002301c740fc$106306d0$6ca24c0c@SatU205S5044> I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were before Bob owned the station, but whatever the calls were, the station held a CP for 2.5 kW-D from what is now the WAMG/WBIX-N array in Ashland. With those tall towers 2.5 kW would have produced quite a signal and the pattern was quite narrow to the east, protecting WVNE. In fact, with a separate night pattern, Class B operation might have been possible, although the CoL would probably have had to be changed to Sherborn because given WJIB's NIF, which I estimate to be around 65 mV/m, and the low power that might have been granted, Needham is just too far away. But it would have been a losing proposition. The initial cost would have been very high (maybe $1 million) and the ongoing costs for the lease of the Tx site would have been a killer for a small station. Moreover, the site--way west of the center of the market--would have canceled out most of the gains from the higher power. If 250W were possible at night (and that seems optimistic to me--but with the tall towers, the station wouldn't have needed that much power to be a Class B--just an RMS of 140.85 mV/m), the population served would still be less than that served by 5W from Fresh Pond Circle. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Laurence Glavin" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: WJIB > < said: > >> Hmmm...this means that with WHEB-AM 750 gone, WJIB-AM could in fact >> have boosted its power in the past, even without the Bob Bittner >> co-ownership. > > Certainly could have, and nearly did (pre-Bob). That construction > permit was never built; it would have required an expensive > directional array and a change in city of license (to Needham, > IIRC). > If I remember our conversation about it from several years ago, the > CP > was still outstanding when Bob bought the station, but he didn't > think > it made any financial sense (which is probably correct). > > -GAWollman > From m1bz@hotmail.com Thu Jan 25 23:14:48 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:14:48 -0500 Subject: WXRV (was Classical change...) In-Reply-To: <408988.48592.qm@web55313.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe the Merrimack River borders Andover, Methuen and Dracut up on Route 93, right around the River Road (no pun intended) exit. But the Shawsheen absolutely barrels through Andover, for those of you keeping score at home. >From: "Donald A." >To: Eli Polonsky , Boston Radio > >CC: Shawn Mamros >Subject: Re: WXRV (was Classical change...) >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:25:06 -0800 (PST) > > > > > The Table allotments were based on city of > > license, > > > not transmitter location, right? If so, WXRV > > wouldn't > > > have been a major change, because only the > > transmitter > > > went to Andover; they're still licensed to > > Haverhill. > > > (Either that, or they've been doing all of their > > legal > > > IDs wrong...) > > > > Actually, WXRV has not moved their transmitter, nor > > are > > they applying to. For some reason they changed their > > COL > > to Andover, but their transmitter remains in > > Haverhill. > > > > Why they did this, I have no idea. > >Ummmm...because saying "Andover" every hour is nicer >than saying "Haverhill" and all the social stigma that >comes with it. ;-) > >Although, The (real) river (The Merrimack) runs thru >Haverhill....not Andover. > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >It's here! Your new message! >Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards? http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Jan 26 00:56:04 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:56:04 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45B951A4.13974.72D76B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 25 Jan 2007 at 12:23, Bob Nelson wrote: > "Bittner said he gets lots of inquiries from advertisers, but > wants nothing to do with them. "There?s lots of money to make" > from get-rich-quick schemes and diet pills, he said." Well, nobody says he has to take ads for those things. I'll bet there are some reputable local businesses that might like to advertise on WJIB. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 26 01:21:00 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:21:00 -0500 Subject: WLVI-HD Message-ID: I want to give an explanation of what is happening with HD and upconverted SD transmissions of CW programs on WLVI-HD. Some programs on the CW HD feed are in true HD, and are transmitted by WLVI as such. Other shows are sent in an upconverted mode, with the aspect ratio stretched to 16:9. This has led people in other cities to believe they are seeing these programs in HD, but in reality they are not, they are simply seeing SD in the stretch mode. WLVI does not carry programs in this upconverted mode, opting instead to upconvert locally, keeping the original 4:3 aspect ratio. Please note that while I work for WHDH/WLVI, I had no part in making the decision to carry the programs in this manner, so please don't shoot the messenger! There have been other problems related to the change to switching at 7 Bulfinch Place, prior to earlier this week we were switching the HD feed remotely at Morrissey Blvd.. This is why on Tuesday we were still trying to work things out when we accidentally stayed on the CW feed for approx 10 minutes into the news. The CBS bars were seen because CW transmits from CBS facilities. Please remember that despite what the people selling TV's will tell you, HD and digital TV are still somewhat in the beta stage. And remember that when you pay good money to a retailer, the stations get nothing from that transaction, and that the stations have yet to make a profit from digital or HD. I'll be happy to answer any questions as best I can as long as you are not asking for any proprietary information. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 00:27:53 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:27:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <002301c740fc$106306d0$6ca24c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <294951.47381.qm@web58312.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were before Bob > owned the station, WWEA -- Earth Radio, IIRC, though that may have been what Bob switched the calls to immediately after purchasing the station. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Jan 26 01:29:27 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:29:27 -0500 Subject: WLVI-HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:21 AM -0500 1/26/07, Larry Weil wrote: >I want to give an explanation of what is happening with HD and >upconverted SD transmissions of CW programs on WLVI-HD. Of course I mean WLVI-DT. That's what happens when I try to write stuff like this after a 10.5 hour day! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Jan 26 10:20:24 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:20:24 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45B951A4.13974.72D76B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <45B951A4.13974.72D76B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17850.7224.535530.386291@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Well, nobody says he has to take ads for those things. I'll bet > there are some reputable local businesses that might like to > advertise on WJIB. I have no direct knowledge, but I suspect that Bob doesn't want to sell spot advertising on 'JIB because he would then have to take campaign spots. If he only sells time by the half-hour, then he can refuse candidate requests for sixty-second spots. (The rules do not require candidate access on terms more favorable than commercial advertisers get, only that they be *no less favorable*.) Most candidates won't bother with leased-time stations for that reason. -GAWollman From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 26 10:46:26 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:46:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <17850.7224.535530.386291@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001a01c74161$23a09c70$6800a8c0@Andrastea> There's always the 2AM Infomercials. I particularly like the one at 3AM on channel 4 for "colon cleaner". ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita President brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:20 AM > To: A. Joseph Ross > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB > > > < said: > > > Well, nobody says he has to take ads for those things. I'll bet > > there are some reputable local businesses that might like to > > advertise on WJIB. > > I have no direct knowledge, but I suspect that Bob doesn't want to > sell spot advertising on 'JIB because he would then have to take > campaign spots. If he only sells time by the half-hour, then he can > refuse candidate requests for sixty-second spots. (The rules do not > require candidate access on terms more favorable than commercial > advertisers get, only that they be *no less favorable*.) Most > candidates won't bother with leased-time stations for that reason. > > -GAWollman > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release > Date: 1/26/2007 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 From me@billoneill.us Fri Jan 26 11:22:10 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:22:10 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <001a01c74161$23a09c70$6800a8c0@Andrastea> References: <001a01c74161$23a09c70$6800a8c0@Andrastea> Message-ID: <45BA2AB2.3060203@billoneill.us> Brian Vita wrote: > There's always the 2AM Infomercials. I particularly like the one at 3AM on > channel 4 for "colon cleaner". > > So, why not just DVR/TiVo the extravaganza? And, the abbreviated version is all about the semi-colon and exclamation point. Never miss it. Flushed with excitement. Bill O'Neill From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Fri Jan 26 11:32:04 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:32:04 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WJIB Message-ID: <45BA2D04.6060905@Gmail.com> Sean Smyth wrote, >> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: >> I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were >> before Bob owned the station, > > WWEA -- Earth Radio, IIRC, though that may have been > what Bob switched the calls to immediately after > purchasing the station. WLVG -- "We Love Gospel". P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 26 12:09:11 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:09:11 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WJIB References: <45BA2D04.6060905@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7416c$b885d340$40a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Yes, WLVG is correct. WWEA were the first call Bob chose before he discovered that WJIB was available. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [B-R-I] Re: WJIB > Sean Smyth wrote, > > >> "Dan.Strassberg" wrote: > >> I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were > >> before Bob owned the station, > > > > WWEA -- Earth Radio, IIRC, though that may have been > > what Bob switched the calls to immediately after > > purchasing the station. > > WLVG -- "We Love Gospel". P=) > > ~Kaimbridge~ > > ----- > Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge > > ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** > > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jan 26 13:49:30 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:49:30 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> A two-stick array (nulling towards Toronto) for 740 might allow up to 1 kW to be run at night from a transmitter site placed at / near / between the present 1150 (Lexington) and 1510 (Waltham) sites. This would poke a decent lobe into the Allston-Brighton sections of Boston and its streetcar western suburbs (Arlington, Belmont, Cambridge, Somerville, Watertown, parts of Newton / Brookline) to override Toronto much of the time (certainly better than the existing 5 watts night power can). That's a decent number of people with money to spend. Or, with WHEB long gone from 750, why not a bigger power (5 kW or more ?) operation on that lower-interference frequency, with suitable nulling towards Leicester (760) and Atlanta (750) ? A site in the Newton or Waltham area (or co-located at 850 in Needham, also a decent site) might do the trick. Much farther west would mean poorer Boston coverage and more difficulty with/for WVNE-760. On the downside, WJIB morphing into something with much better coverage would probably wind up making it some crummy format instead of Bob Bittner's delightful and unique present-day offerings. For its little 250 watts, WJIB gets out pretty well during the day. I heard it with no problem at midday on a car radio from Clark's Harbour, Nova Scotia: something like 250-300 miles. On Cape Cod it does OK except along the southern and western sides where it takes quite a beating from the Huntington, LI, NY station. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were before Bob owned the station, but whatever the calls were, the station held a CP for 2.5 kW-D from what is now the WAMG/WBIX-N array in Ashland. With those tall towers 2.5 kW would have produced quite a signal and the pattern was quite narrow to the east, protecting WVNE. In fact, with a separate night pattern, Class B operation might have been possible, although the CoL would probably have had to be changed to Sherborn because given WJIB's NIF, which I estimate to be around 65 mV/m, and the low power that might have been granted, Needham is just too far away. But it would have been a losing proposition. The initial cost would have been very high (maybe $1 million) and the ongoing costs for the lease of the Tx site would have been a killer for a small station. Moreover, the site--way west of the center of the market--would have canceled out most of the gains from the higher power. If 250W were possible at night (and that seems optimistic to me--but with the tall towers, the station wouldn't have needed that much power to be a Class B--just an RMS of 140.85 mV/m), the population served would still be less than that served by 5W from Fresh Pond Circle. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Fri Jan 26 15:05:02 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:05:02 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BA2AB2.3060203@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000f01c74185$52a57760$6800a8c0@Andrastea> Actually it was channel 7 (still think of 4 as NBC). I've got the Comcast DVR set to record the replay of the Tonight Show. They run the infomercial 5 minutes into the show and pick up Leno in mid monologue. Really tacky. ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita President brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill O'Neill [mailto:me@billoneill.us] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:22 AM > To: brian_vita@cssinc.com > Cc: 'Garrett Wollman'; 'A. Joseph Ross'; > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB > > > Brian Vita wrote: > > There's always the 2AM Infomercials. I particularly like > the one at 3AM on > > channel 4 for "colon cleaner". > > > > > So, why not just DVR/TiVo the extravaganza? And, the > abbreviated version > is all about the semi-colon and exclamation point. Never miss it. > Flushed with excitement. > > Bill O'Neill > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release > Date: 1/26/2007 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 From gallen2@nescaum.org Fri Jan 26 15:49:54 2007 From: gallen2@nescaum.org (George Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:49:54 -0500 Subject: WCRB Tab article, more on Bob MacNeil Message-ID: Two short items. 1. The Brookline Tab has an article this week on the "new" WCRB: http://www.townonline.com/allston/arts/8998981987347726335 2. I finally heard Bob MacNeil (I'm not a regular CRB listener... can't stand the new format where you hear "WCRB 99.5, Boston's Classical Music Station" 7 times in one minute). I was immediately struck by what I thought was a voice somewhat reminiscent of Dave MacNeil, with whom I worked closely with for several years in the '70s [as a WCRB engineer, not announcer]. So maybe there is a relation. George ___________________________ George Allen, NESCAUM 101 Merrimac Street - 10th floor Boston, MA 02114 Tel. 617-259-2035 [direct] gallen@nescaum.org Fax: 617-742-9162 www.nescaum.org From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Jan 26 16:16:38 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:16:38 -0500 Subject: WJIB References: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> The 1 kW part is patent nonsense! 740 on Long Island has a four-tower more-or-less in-line array that protects Toronto from daytime skywave. The station runs either 25 kW or 20 kW days (depending on whether the CP to slightly modify the pattern and reduce power by 20% is or isn't on the air). The night power using the day pattern is 40W or maybe 50W. With a two-tower array designed for 740 (as opposed to a diplex into some existing towers), WJIB might get as much as 50W nights. The signal could be the equivalent to 100W ND in front of the pattern. I estimate that WJIB's NIF is about 65 mV/m, however. So the signal would not cover much acreage. And the site, northwest of Cambridge, would place the coverage in a less densely populated area than the current 5W ND night operation. That's assuming that land were available, which it isn't at either of the two sites (WTTT/WAZN or WWZN). If you publish your daydreams, you open yourself up to some serious critiques, and this idea has so many flaws that I just can't take it seriously. As for 750, there's an app for the Bangor area that seems almost ready to be granted if it hasn't yet been granted. 50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N using four towers to produce a teardrop pattern aimed southeast--protecting WSB and at least one Canadian. This will become Maine's premiere AM facility from a technical standpoint. A partner in the applicant company is a well-known broadcast consulting engineer. There is at least one Canadian to protect to the north and/or east of Bangor. Even if there were no Bangor application, the Canadian station or stations would rule out 750 in the Boston area with a pattern aimed northeast. Once again, if you don't want people to laugh, study the situation before you make such proposals. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: WJIB >A two-stick array (nulling towards Toronto) for 740 might allow up to >1 kW to be run at night from a transmitter site placed at / near / >between the present 1150 (Lexington) and 1510 (Waltham) sites. > > This would poke a decent lobe into the Allston-Brighton sections of > Boston and its streetcar western suburbs (Arlington, Belmont, > Cambridge, Somerville, Watertown, parts of Newton / Brookline) to > override Toronto much of the time (certainly better than the > existing 5 watts night power can). That's a decent number of people > with money to spend. > > Or, with WHEB long gone from 750, why not a bigger power (5 kW or > more ?) operation on that lower-interference frequency, with > suitable nulling towards Leicester (760) and Atlanta (750) ? A site > in the Newton or Waltham area (or co-located at 850 in Needham, also > a decent site) might do the trick. Much farther west would mean > poorer Boston coverage and more difficulty with/for WVNE-760. > > On the downside, WJIB morphing into something with much better > coverage would probably wind up making it some crummy format instead > of Bob Bittner's delightful and unique present-day offerings. > > For its little 250 watts, WJIB gets out pretty well during the day. > I heard it with no problem at midday on a car radio from Clark's > Harbour, Nova Scotia: something like 250-300 miles. On Cape Cod it > does OK except along the southern and western sides where it takes > quite a beating from the Huntington, LI, NY station. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > << > I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were before Bob > owned the station, but whatever the calls were, the station held a > CP > for 2.5 kW-D from what is now the WAMG/WBIX-N array in Ashland. With > those tall towers 2.5 kW would have produced quite a signal and the > pattern was quite narrow to the east, protecting WVNE. In fact, with > a > separate night pattern, Class B operation might have been possible, > although the CoL would probably have had to be changed to Sherborn > because given WJIB's NIF, which I estimate to be around 65 mV/m, and > the low power that might have been granted, Needham is just too far > away. But it would have been a losing proposition. The initial cost > would have been very high (maybe $1 million) and the ongoing costs > for > the lease of the Tx site would have been a killer for a small > station. > Moreover, the site--way west of the center of the market--would have > canceled out most of the gains from the higher power. If 250W were > possible at night (and that seems optimistic to me--but with the > tall > towers, the station wouldn't have needed that much power to be a > Class > B--just an RMS of 140.85 mV/m), the population served would still be > less than that served by 5W from Fresh Pond Circle. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 26 16:19:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:19:42 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too Message-ID: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Howie Carr's show exited not only Burlington VT and Keene NH this week but also WTPL-FM in Hillsboro/Concord NH (which has replaced it with ESPN's Dan Patrick, a show called "New Hampshire Today", and a simulcast of Ch 9 news). I knew a third station had dropped Howie (due to higher fees) and was pretty sure that WTPL was that station... Now today someone wrote into the Howie Carr live thread I do on Free Republic, someone who lives and works in the Concord area and was frustrated that the show is gone (was told they wanted to keep it but it wasn't being offered anymore? Or maybe "not at a price we could afford"). He said he couldn't pick up Howie's stations in Boston, Portland, New London NH, or Worcester where he works and can only hear about 10 minutes of the show via WRKO on his drive home. I don't know if WGIR would want to pick up Howie (they'd have to delay Hannity to carry Carr live). Who else-- WKXL in Concord? But they have a block of local news/talk in afternoons, so unless they wanted to put him on via tape delay... (Oh, and the man who wrote me says he can't stream him at his job...) = Electric Knife Sharpeners Electric sharpeners for cooks amd sportsmen, by Chef's Choice, $69.95-$129.95. Tri-Bevel for sharpness and strength. Diamond honing holds temper. Toll-free ordering. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=acbbb3211ae3f13d2d356d581f0b362a From paul@derrynh.net Fri Jan 26 16:35:46 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:35:46 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too In-Reply-To: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002201c74191$f0a3abb0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> 'GIR would probably be the only outlet that could afford the fee if it wanted the show, but if Hannity is a barter show, I wouldn't think they'd be interested in shelling out $$$ Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:20 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Carr off in Concord area too Howie Carr's show exited not only Burlington VT and Keene NH this week but also WTPL-FM in Hillsboro/Concord NH (which has replaced it with ESPN's Dan Patrick, a show called "New Hampshire Today", and a simulcast of Ch 9 news). I knew a third station had dropped Howie (due to higher fees) and was pretty sure that WTPL was that station... Now today someone wrote into the Howie Carr live thread I do on Free Republic, someone who lives and works in the Concord area and was frustrated that the show is gone (was told they wanted to keep it but it wasn't being offered anymore? Or maybe "not at a price we could afford"). He said he couldn't pick up Howie's stations in Boston, Portland, New London NH, or Worcester where he works and can only hear about 10 minutes of the show via WRKO on his drive home. I don't know if WGIR would want to pick up Howie (they'd have to delay Hannity to carry Carr live). Who else-- WKXL in Concord? But they have a block of local news/talk in afternoons, so unless they wanted to put him on via tape delay... (Oh, and the man who wrote me says he can't stream him at his job...) = Electric Knife Sharpeners Electric sharpeners for cooks amd sportsmen, by Chef's Choice, $69.95-$129.95. Tri-Bevel for sharpness and strength. Diamond honing holds temper. Toll-free ordering. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=acbbb3211ae3f13d2d356d58 1f0b362a From markwats@comcast.net Fri Jan 26 16:38:34 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:38:34 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too References: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002401c74192$55b0cfb0$9447da18@Mark> Bob Nelson wrote: > Howie Carr's show exited not only Burlington VT and Keene NH this week but > also > WTPL-FM in Hillsboro/Concord NH (which has replaced it with ESPN's Dan > Patrick, > a show called "New Hampshire Today", and a simulcast of Ch 9 news). I knew > a third > station had dropped Howie (due to higher fees) and was pretty sure that > WTPL > was that station... WEIM (1280 Fitchburg) has also dropped Howie Carr, replacing him with regular format (automated Hot AC music) and a 5PM news block. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Jan 26 16:52:24 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:52:24 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too Message-ID: <20070126215224.6C75F16427E@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >>WEIM (1280 Fitchburg) has also dropped Howie Carr, replacing him with regular format (automated Hot AC music) and a 5PM news block. Wasn't aware of that--am wondering if his network will soon just consist of WRKO, WCRN, WXTK, and maybe WHYN and WGAN... = Cheap Orlando Hotels as Low as $19 Wide selection of cheap hotels in Orlando. Low price guarantee. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=6d6c0a2fc0c1313205ed2350d7389703 From lglavin@mail.com Fri Jan 26 16:58:02 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:58:02 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <20070126215802.DA5B41024E@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: brian_vita@cssinc.com >Subject: Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:22:10 -0500 >Brian Vita wrote: > There's always the 2AM Infomercials. I particularly like the one at 3AM on > channel 4 for "colon cleaner". > > >So, why not just DVR/TiVo the extravaganza? And, the abbreviated >version is all about the semi-colon and exclamation point. Never >miss it. Flushed with excitement. >Bill O'Neill I believe the active ingredient is an extract drawn from ferns... in other words: with fronds like this, who needs enemas? = Wolff Tanning Beds - $1000 Free Lotion Free express ship. 0 percent financing. Exclusive Twister Technology. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=9b7efc3240470842d6f1bfc2402db0a3 From hykker@grolen.com Fri Jan 26 19:09:57 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:09:57 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too In-Reply-To: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126190911.019d3790@grolen.com> Bob Nelson wrote: >I don't know if WGIR would want to pick up Howie (they'd have to delay >Hannity to carry Carr live). Who else-- WKXL in Concord? But they have a block >of local news/talk in afternoons, so unless they wanted to put him on >via tape delay... What about WEMJ in Laconia? They carried him last I knew. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/643 - Release Date: 1/21/2007 From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Jan 26 21:22:29 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:22:29 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too In-Reply-To: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070126211943.1429A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <006f01c741ba$001fb930$6600a8c0@tony> WKXL won't be putting Howie Carr on any time soon. Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:20 PM To: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Carr off in Concord area too I don't know if WGIR would want to pick up Howie (they'd have to delay Hannity to carry Carr live). Who else-- WKXL in Concord? But they have a block of local news/talk in afternoons, so unless they wanted to put him on via tape delay... (Oh, and the man who wrote me says he can't stream him at his job...) From markwa1ion@aol.com Fri Jan 26 23:00:07 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:00:07 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <8C90FDEC489B4B4-14E8-A87C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> First of all, the only way things are learned is to present ideas to others and let the comments, critiques, etc. fly where they may. I think that's how talkshows work. As far as a DA protecting Toronto-740, I can see from Dan's comments that interference on that channel must be a lot more stringently controlled than on 810, for instance, where WGY-NY and CJVA-NB are both throwing quite a bit of power at each other. That may be more a case of CJVA's array being out of whack. The two stations are in an even dogfight here (between them) and surely must interfere with each other in areas of normal listenership. 800 must also be less restrictive since Lawrence's night ND would seem to be putting more than 40 W towards the co-channel Montreal, Quebec City, and Windsor channel occupants. Let's not even talk about 1260 which is a royal mess of New Brunswick fighting it out with WMKI as close to Boston as the Burlington Mall. Things can't be too good on the channel a few miles out of Fredericton either. So maybe WJIB has to stay put on 740 in Cambridge with 5 watts at night - or move to 750 with the same flea power but a whole lot less interference ? The 750 (or even 720) scheme for a southeastward beaming Boston area station of a kW or more may have had some possibility if the NH (720) and ME (750) allotments didn't go on the books. This might have been workable from somewhere in the vicinity of 680's Burlington site. There are some suitably swampy areas along the Shawsheen River near the Middlesex Turnpike and Route 3A (Bedford/Billerica). Regarding Canadians on 750, I think the Ontario station (Timmins) may be silent, just leaving Newfoundland: approximate distance 900 miles. Seeing that Newfoundlanders had used 680 and 850 once - with a fair amount of Boston RF heading at them (plus metro-Montreal also for a while on 850 as well), it would seem that the interference from a 1 kW or 5 kW station located here wouldn't be a major concern. It's quite likely that Atlanta or, for that matter, Caracas would interfere as much. The Bangor station, being 200 miles closer (and running big power), would definitely have to pull in its pattern to the northeast to protect Newfoundland, just as it would have to pull in to the southwest to protect Atlanta. I think it's good to mull over all the possibilities (including perhaps the far-fetched ones) and bring forth the CONSTRUCTIVE and FRIENDLY criticisms of the peer-review process. There are participants of all expertise levels on this list. Chances are good that we can all learn things by reading the various discussions. Some might choose to laugh at things they think are nutty ideas, but I'd think that a measured and well-structured critical response, as one would receive from a good professor, would be preferable. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: dan.strassberg@att.net To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 4:16 PM Subject: Re: WJIB The 1 kW part is patent nonsense! 740 on Long Island has a four-tower? more-or-less in-line array that protects Toronto from daytime skywave.? The station runs either 25 kW or 20 kW days (depending on whether the? CP to slightly modify the pattern and reduce power by 20% is or isn't? on the air). The night power using the day pattern is 40W or maybe? 50W. With a two-tower array designed for 740 (as opposed to a diplex? into some existing towers), WJIB might get as much as 50W nights. The? signal could be the equivalent to 100W ND in front of the pattern. I? estimate that WJIB's NIF is about 65 mV/m, however. So the signal? would not cover much acreage. And the site, northwest of Cambridge,? would place the coverage in a less densely populated area than the? current 5W ND night operation. That's assuming that land were? available, which it isn't at either of the two sites (WTTT/WAZN or? WWZN). If you publish your daydreams, you open yourself up to some? serious critiques, and this idea has so many flaws that I just can't? take it seriously.? ? As for 750, there's an app for the Bangor area that seems almost ready? to be granted if it hasn't yet been granted. 50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N? using four towers to produce a teardrop pattern aimed? southeast--protecting WSB and at least one Canadian. This will become? Maine's premiere AM facility from a technical standpoint. A partner in? the applicant company is a well-known broadcast consulting engineer.? There is at least one Canadian to protect to the north and/or east of? Bangor. Even if there were no Bangor application, the Canadian station? or stations would rule out 750 in the Boston area with a pattern aimed? northeast. Once again, if you don't want people to laugh, study the? situation before you make such proposals.? ? -----? Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)? eFax 1-707-215-6367? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:49 PM? Subject: Re: WJIB? ? >A two-stick array (nulling towards Toronto) for 740 might allow up to? >1 kW to be run at night from a transmitter site placed at / near /? >between the present 1150 (Lexington) and 1510 (Waltham) sites.? >? > This would poke a decent lobe into the Allston-Brighton sections of? > Boston and its streetcar western suburbs (Arlington, Belmont,? > Cambridge, Somerville, Watertown, parts of Newton / Brookline) to? > override Toronto much of the time (certainly better than the? > existing 5 watts night power can). That's a decent number of people? > with money to spend.? >? > Or, with WHEB long gone from 750, why not a bigger power (5 kW or? > more ?) operation on that lower-interference frequency, with? > suitable nulling towards Leicester (760) and Atlanta (750) ? A site? > in the Newton or Waltham area (or co-located at 850 in Needham, also? > a decent site) might do the trick. Much farther west would mean? > poorer Boston coverage and more difficulty with/for WVNE-760.? >? > On the downside, WJIB morphing into something with much better? > coverage would probably wind up making it some crummy format instead? > of Bob Bittner's delightful and unique present-day offerings.? >? > For its little 250 watts, WJIB gets out pretty well during the day.? > I heard it with no problem at midday on a car radio from Clark's? > Harbour, Nova Scotia: something like 250-300 miles. On Cape Cod it? > does OK except along the southern and western sides where it takes? > quite a beating from the Huntington, LI, NY station.? >? > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA? >? > < I've forgotten what the calls of what is now WJIB were before Bob? > owned the station, but whatever the calls were, the station held a? > CP? > for 2.5 kW-D from what is now the WAMG/WBIX-N array in Ashland. With? > those tall towers 2.5 kW would have produced quite a signal and the? > pattern was quite narrow to the east, protecting WVNE. In fact, with? > a? > separate night pattern, Class B operation might have been possible,? > although the CoL would probably have had to be changed to Sherborn? > because given WJIB's NIF, which I estimate to be around 65 mV/m, and? > the low power that might have been granted, Needham is just too far? > away. But it would have been a losing proposition. The initial cost? > would have been very high (maybe $1 million) and the ongoing costs? > for? > the lease of the Tx site would have been a killer for a small? > station.? > Moreover, the site--way west of the center of the market--would have? > canceled out most of the gains from the higher power. If 250W were? > possible at night (and that seems optimistic to me--but with the? > tall? > towers, the station wouldn't have needed that much power to be a? > Class? > B--just an RMS of 140.85 mV/m), the population served would still be? > less than that served by 5W from Fresh Pond Circle.? >? > -----? > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)? > eFax 1-707-215-6367? >>>? > ________________________________________________________________________? > Check out the new AOL. 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From scott@fybush.com Sat Jan 27 00:25:05 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:25:05 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <8C90FDEC489B4B4-14E8-A87C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> <8C90FDEC489B4B4-14E8-A87C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45BAE231.3000407@fybush.com> > The 750 (or even 720) scheme for a southeastward beaming Boston area > station of a kW or more may have had some possibility if the NH (720) > and ME (750) allotments didn't go on the books. This might have been > workable from somewhere in the vicinity of 680's Burlington site. There > are some suitably swampy areas along the Shawsheen River near the > Middlesex Turnpike and Route 3A (Bedford/Billerica). Regarding > Canadians on 750, I think the Ontario station (Timmins) may be silent, > just leaving Newfoundland: approximate distance 900 miles. A few points here - The Timmins station is indeed silent, but that's irrelevant; as long as it remains internationally notified, it still has to be protected. That's not what would keep WJIB off 750, though. The existence of WVNE on 760 makes 750 unusable anywhere in eastern Massachusetts. Here's the relevant FCC link, to part 73.37 of the rules - http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/73/37/ For first-adjacent daytime operation, WJIB's 0.5 mV/m contour couldn't overlap the 0.25 mV/m contour of WVNE, and vice versa. WVNE's 0.5 mV/m contour encompasses pretty much all of Greater Boston. 720 would have worked, once upon a time, and in fact there was a 720 CP in Billerica that was never built (and which, when it disappeared, made the 720 in NH possible.) The winning situation, once upon a time, might have been for WVNE to have gone on 720 (if suitable protection to WOR could have been arranged, which I'm not sure about) and for WJIB to have gone to 750, where it could likely have had at least some night power with appropriate nulls to Atlanta and Newfoundland. New Hampshire might then have ended up on 740 (though the international protection to the Canadian Class A would have ruled out night operation, so it couldn't be licensed as a new station under today's rules.) That ship has long since sailed, though. s From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Jan 27 00:45:05 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:45:05 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <8C90FDEC489B4B4-14E8-A87C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> <8C90FDEC489B4B4-14E8-A87C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17850.59105.856349.49994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < 800 must also be less restrictive since Lawrence's night ND would > seem to be putting more than 40 W towards the co-channel Montreal, > Quebec City, and Windsor channel occupants. All of which are B's and therefore not entitled to protection outside their primary (groundwave) service areas. The A that Lawrence theoretically has to protect is in Mexico, which is so far away as to be irrelevant. > Let's not even talk about 1260 which is a royal mess of New > Brunswick fighting it out with WMKI as close to Boston as the > Burlington Mall. Those are all class-B's as well. The situation on 810 is that CJVA appears to be operating well outside its licensed parameters, and has for many years. Likely they are running day power and/or pattern at night. WGY, as a class-A, is not supposed to receive any nighttime interference from CJVA inside U.S. borders. (WGY's service outside the U.S. is not protected.) -GAWollman From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 00:47:29 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:47:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BAE231.3000407@fybush.com> Message-ID: <922775.87374.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > 720 would have worked, once upon a time, and in fact there was a 720 > CP > in Billerica that was never built (and which, when it disappeared, > made > the 720 in NH possible.) I seem to recall Garrett and Dan mentioning that 720 had two distinct patterns that had minimal overlap day and night. Let's also remember that until 10 years or so ago, 650 was but a pipedream. The WBSO CP's COL was Clinton, and it would've had an OK signal in the market were it to be built out. (I recall Scott and Bob hashing it out on an episode of LTAR many moons ago.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. 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TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 27 01:09:34 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:09:34 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <8C90F91D91085AB-122C-17FF@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> <003d01c7418f$4e5af0e0$2ba54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 4:16 PM -0500 1/26/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >As for 750, there's an app for the Bangor area that seems almost ready >to be granted if it hasn't yet been granted. 50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N >using four towers to produce a teardrop pattern aimed >southeast So, I guess that means they'll have a great signal in Bermuda! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 27 02:35:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:35:22 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too Message-ID: <20070127073522.54EF31024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >>WKXL won't be putting Howie Carr on any time soon. Yes, and that's what I mentioned on that Free Republic thread: it probably would not happen. WKXL has a heck of a commitment to local radio and it's interesting that WKBK is moving their local morning guy to afternoons; also that WTPL has an hour long show revolving around NH in the afternoons... and daily local shows are airing on the prog talk stations in Western MA and Brattleboro VT. Good to see some focus on local talk! = Rocky Mountain, Colorado Luxury Vacation The modern amenities and comforts of a country inn make The Thomas House a great location for all your travel needs in Salida, Colorado. Ideal getaway for a Rocky Mountain retreat. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=34afcb394a43121625e2868a5f62aef9 From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Jan 27 02:38:04 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:38:04 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too Message-ID: <20070127073804.698C21024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >>What about WEMJ in Laconia? They carried him last I knew. Not any more, apparently; the recently updated affilates list on the WRKO/Howie site lists 4 stations in MA (WRKO, WHYN, WXTK, and WCRN), one in NH (WNTK) and two in Maine (WGAN, WVOM). Down to 7 (he had as many as 22 at one point, including far flung cities like Newark OH (nr. Cincinatti), Seattle (KIRO-FM, which is now country as The Wolf), Salt Lake City, and Hagerstown MD. = Ladder Rack Superstore Wholesale Price Ladder Racks by Crosstread, Weatherguard, Adrian, TracRac, Topper, and Vanguard. Large selection and wholesale prices. 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Manufacturers include Virco, Correll and more. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=f54599a1b161c4b2ca8e44009dc6478f From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 11:00:03 2007 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:00:03 -0500 Subject: Carr off in Concord area too References: <20070127151308.0888C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <01f501c7422c$3ca46730$6701a8c0@desktop> > Supposedly Entercom tripled the fees they charge to carry Howie.... Anyone have an example or idea what they were charging? Don From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 27 11:36:36 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:36:36 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <20070126215802.DA5B41024E@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070126215802.DA5B41024E@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45BB7F94.2030800@cssinc.com> >> rian Vita wrote: >> There's always the 2AM Infomercials. I particularly like the one at 3AM on >> channel 4 for "colon cleaner". >> >> >> So, why not just DVR/TiVo the extravaganza? And, the abbreviated >> version is all about the semi-colon and exclamation point. Never >> miss it. Flushed with excitement. >> Bill O'Neill >> > > I believe the active ingredient is an extract drawn from ferns... > in other words: with fronds like this, who needs enemas? > > Sounds like another load of crap to me. I suppose that its just the product if you don't give a... Brian From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 27 11:44:53 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:44:53 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > > Jeeze. :( > > If Bob ends up having to sell the station, maybe one of us, or a bunch of > us here, could get together and buy it for a nominal price? With the > stipulation that we could keep the format going as is or ownership reverts > to Bob? > > Sure we won't get rich quickly (if at all) by doing it...but as a public > service? > > 'JIB sounds like what I'd like to do if I had a radio station, for sure. > > -- > steph > Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! Brian From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Jan 27 12:10:26 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:10:26 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <45BB8782.6070009@ttlc.net> Brian Vita wrote: > Stephanie Weil wrote: >> >> Jeeze. :( >> >> If Bob ends up having to sell the station, maybe one of us, or a bunch of >> us here, could get together and buy it for a nominal price? With the >> stipulation that we could keep the format going as is or ownership >> reverts >> to Bob? >> >> Sure we won't get rich quickly (if at all) by doing it...but as a public >> service? >> >> 'JIB sounds like what I'd like to do if I had a radio station, for sure. >> >> -- >> steph >> > Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here without > flaming each other out, do you really think that we could RUN a radio > station without killing each other? Try picking a format! Let's see, > beautiful music, long-haired classical for the elite, smooth jazz, > blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative talk, local talk. We > could do a different format each hour! > > Brian Personally, I'm partial to Country-Punk-Disco. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Jan 27 12:45:46 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:45:46 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Message-ID: At 11:44 AM -0500 1/27/07, Brian Vita wrote: > >Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here >without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could >RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a >format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the >elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative >talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. Point proven!!!!! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sat Jan 27 13:03:56 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:03:56 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c7423d$832f9380$6800a8c0@Andrastea> > At 11:44 AM -0500 1/27/07, Brian Vita wrote: > > > >Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here > >without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could > >RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a > >format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the > >elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative > >talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! > > What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. > So would that be Dixieland, swing, contemporary, eclectic, big band, modern or fusion? Brian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Jan 27 13:42:27 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:42:27 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB References: <001201c7423d$832f9380$6800a8c0@Andrastea> Message-ID: <02e101c74242$e591a270$6401a8c0@pastor2> I've heard all those musical genres, and then some, on CBC Radio One --- sometimes all in the same program (e.g., Weekend Mornings from Halifax). . . .Ask me why I listen to the CBC. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vita" To: "'Larry Weil'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: RE: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB > > At 11:44 AM -0500 1/27/07, Brian Vita wrote: > > > > > >Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here > > >without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could > > >RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a > > >format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the > > >elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative > > >talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! > > > > What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. > > > So would that be Dixieland, swing, contemporary, eclectic, big band, modern > or fusion? > > Brian > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 > > > From me@billoneill.us Sat Jan 27 13:41:27 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:41:27 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <45BB9CD7.80501@billoneill.us> Larry Weil wrote: > What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. > > Point proven!!!!! > Difficult Jazz was already taken. [cymbal] Bill O'Neill From markwa1ion@aol.com Sat Jan 27 14:03:49 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:03:49 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9105D0355EA39-1684-256C@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> << >As for 750, there's an app for the Bangor area that seems almost ready >to be granted if it hasn't yet been granted. 50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N >using four towers to produce a teardrop pattern aimed >southeast So, I guess that means they'll have a great signal in Bermuda! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH >> Actually in Bermuda with this set-up, 750 will be a three-way slugfest with the new Mainer + WSB + YVKS (Caracas). Bermuda does get some fat signals from the USA, especially the NYC stations, some of which can be heard at midday on reasonably sensitive receivers. The Venezuelan actually dominates 750 most nights at places like West Dennis on the Cape. There's a Cuban, a Colombian, and the Newfie (CBGY) in the imbroglio too (besides the YVKS/WSB "usuals"). The Bangor station has about a 40 mile run of land SE en route to Bar Harbor. The Ellsworth and Bar Harbor areas have enough people, especially in summer, to make this coverage area desirable. There was an additional Bangor outlet in the past (WGUY-1250) besides present day 620 and 910 (and Ellsworth's 1370). I'm not sure how well the big-money coastal resorts are served on FM. Back to WJIB, it would seem that if Long Island (about 100 miles closer to Toronto) can get away with 40 watts or so going west / northwest, then maybe WJIB could nudge the power up a little bit from 5 watts at night. But I'm sure that the 5 watt figure was not arrived-at by accident and that if WJIB could run any more, it would. Here in the southern end of Billerica I do get it OK here at night on my communications receiver set-up which is connected to a special outdoor antenna ("Flag") that nulls substantially towards the Great Lakes area. On car radios or table radios, 740 is a bunch of mush at night around here with Toronto typically atop, WJIB a bit behind, and CHCM (Newfoundland) popping through occasionally. I think that Arlington Heights or Lexington is about the inland limit of WJIB most nights on regular radios. Dan can no doubt give us this info. Anyway, I hope that Bob Bittner can keep his programming here in the Boston area. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Jan 27 15:44:30 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:44:30 -0500 Subject: WJIB References: <8C9105D0355EA39-1684-256C@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c74253$f6ee9c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> In Arlington Heights, on my SRIII, rotated to maximize the signal strength of WJIB (which happens to about null WKOX, WAMG, and WBIX), WJIB is pretty good on maybe 2/3 of nights (actually 2/3 of the time, because a night that's good for receiving WJIB at, say, 8:00PM.can become pretty awful by miidnight or vice versa). OTOH, the frequency difference between WJIB and CHWO, which is usually about 3 Hz (or do I mean 1.5 Hz?--three signal minima per second), is pretty annoying. For me, the frequency difference seems to have been chosen to maximize the sensation of vertigo. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: WJIB > << > >As for 750, there's an app for the Bangor area that seems almost ready > >to be granted if it hasn't yet been granted. 50 kW-D/10 kW-N DA-N > >using four towers to produce a teardrop pattern aimed > >southeast > > So, I guess that means they'll have a great signal in Bermuda! > > -- Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > >> > > Actually in Bermuda with this set-up, 750 will be a three-way slugfest > with the new Mainer + WSB + YVKS (Caracas). Bermuda does get some fat > signals from the USA, especially the NYC stations, some of which can be > heard at midday on reasonably sensitive receivers. > > The Venezuelan actually dominates 750 most nights at places like West > Dennis on the Cape. There's a Cuban, a Colombian, and the Newfie > (CBGY) in the imbroglio too (besides the YVKS/WSB "usuals"). > > The Bangor station has about a 40 mile run of land SE en route to Bar > Harbor. The Ellsworth and Bar Harbor areas have enough people, > especially in summer, to make this coverage area desirable. There was > an additional Bangor outlet in the past (WGUY-1250) besides present day > 620 and 910 (and Ellsworth's 1370). I'm not sure how well the > big-money coastal resorts are served on FM. > > Back to WJIB, it would seem that if Long Island (about 100 miles closer > to Toronto) can get away with 40 watts or so going west / northwest, > then maybe WJIB could nudge the power up a little bit from 5 watts at > night. But I'm sure that the 5 watt figure was not arrived-at by > accident and that if WJIB could run any more, it would. Here in the > southern end of Billerica I do get it OK here at night on my > communications receiver set-up which is connected to a special outdoor > antenna ("Flag") that nulls substantially towards the Great Lakes area. > On car radios or table radios, 740 is a bunch of mush at night around > here with Toronto typically atop, WJIB a bit behind, and CHCM > (Newfoundland) popping through occasionally. I think that Arlington > Heights or Lexington is about the inland limit of WJIB most nights on > regular radios. Dan can no doubt give us this info. > > Anyway, I hope that Bob Bittner can keep his programming here in the > Boston area. > > Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > From stephanie@gordsven.com Sat Jan 27 20:35:28 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:35:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <2089.66.65.49.10.1169948128.squirrel@gordsven.com> On Sat, January 27, 2007 11:44, Brian Vita wrote: > >> > Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here without > flaming each other out, do you really think that we could RUN a radio > station without killing each other? Try picking a format! I'm sure we could. For one, the format would already be pre-determined. Remember, the station would be sold on the condition the current ez-listening/oldies format continue. Or some of us could do the silent partner thing....and let one or two persons take care of running the place. I guess it's just a pipedream of mine. Would be silly to suggest that Bob sell such a thing as a CAMBRIDGE, MASS. station for less than a couple million bucks. -- steph From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Jan 28 00:21:22 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:21:22 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> References: <20070125172311.1B01C1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>, <19663.12.37.144.130.1169746904.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com>, <45BB8185.4030702@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <45BBEC82.772.3B3C81@joe.attorneyross.com> On 27 Jan 2007 at 11:44, Brian Vita wrote: > Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here without > flaming each other out, do you really think that we could RUN a radio > station without killing each other? Try picking a format! Let's see, > beautiful music, long-haired classical for the elite, smooth jazz, > blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative talk, local talk. We > could do a different format each hour! Hey, I like that idea! -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Jan 28 11:33:04 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:33:04 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <000701c74253$f6ee9c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <8C9105D0355EA39-1684-256C@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> <000701c74253$f6ee9c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <8C911111E49E1F7-2B4-3C8E@WEBMAIL-MC17.sysops.aol.com> That's about my observation about WJIB's night coverage as well. Once you get the big hill (Belmont Hill / Wellington Hill) in your way as you head west on Route 2 beyond the big Mormon temple, the signal gets a bit choppy. That would be about 4 or 5 miles from the tower. Over the flatter terrain going south across Cambridge and the Charles, they probably get a bit farther into Allston and Brookline. Despite the small area covered, it still reaches a lot of people. Once in a while you get an "auroral night" when most skip interference is eliminated. Then WJIB's 5 watts covers a bigger "box": that bordered by Norwood on the SW, Billerica on the NW, Beverly on the NE, and Cohasset on the SE. A 3 Hz beat note (a.k.a. "subaudible heterodyne") is what Dan is observing between CHWO and WJIB. Certainly that's within legal spec's but, yes, it's annoying when you have two similar-strength signals. But then, the clash of competing audio would be too. CHWO and WJIB are both good stations for the nostalgic-music fan (on a band where this format has reached "few and far between" status). It's too bad that they happen to be on the same channel. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << In Arlington Heights, on my SRIII, rotated to maximize the signal strength of WJIB (which happens to about null WKOX, WAMG, and WBIX), WJIB is pretty good on maybe 2/3 of nights (actually 2/3 of the time, because a night that's good for receiving WJIB at, say, 8:00PM.can become pretty awful by miidnight or vice versa). OTOH, the frequency difference between WJIB and CHWO, which is usually about 3 Hz (or do I mean 1.5 Hz?--three signal minima per second), is pretty annoying. For me, the frequency difference seems to have been chosen to maximize the sensation of vertigo. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 >> ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From scott@fybush.com Sun Jan 28 12:54:09 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:54:09 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <8C911111E49E1F7-2B4-3C8E@WEBMAIL-MC17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9105D0355EA39-1684-256C@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> <000701c74253$f6ee9c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <8C911111E49E1F7-2B4-3C8E@WEBMAIL-MC17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45BCE341.3020709@fybush.com> markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > That's about my observation about WJIB's night coverage as well. Once > you get the big hill (Belmont Hill / Wellington Hill) in your way as you > head west on Route 2 beyond the big Mormon temple, the signal gets a bit > choppy. That would be about 4 or 5 miles from the tower. Over the > flatter terrain going south across Cambridge and the Charles, they > probably get a bit farther into Allston and Brookline. Despite the > small area covered, it still reaches a lot of people. My experience back in my Waltham days, which ended 10 years ago today, was that on a typical night, WJIB far overpowered what was then CBL. I suspect Bob's signal got a nice groundwave boost down the Charles River in my direction. s From hmadjid@gmail.com Sun Jan 28 16:27:08 2007 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:08 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: Even if Bob sold the station to a syndicate of boston-radio-interest participants, how would this get around the original hang up, namely the ASCAP & BMI fee problems? 73, DE Hakim (N1ZFF). Larry Weil wrote: >What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. >Point proven!!!!! Brian Vita wrote: >> >>Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here >>without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could >>RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a >>format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the >>elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative >>talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Jan 28 19:06:24 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:06:24 -0500 Subject: WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BCE341.3020709@fybush.com> References: <8C9105D0355EA39-1684-256C@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> <000701c74253$f6ee9c60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <8C911111E49E1F7-2B4-3C8E@WEBMAIL-MC17.sysops.aol.com> <45BCE341.3020709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <8C9115072F2B01D-9B0-4F53@WEBMAIL-MC08.sysops.aol.com> Scott, the signal also heads southwest with a nice start shooting across Fresh Pond as well. Not so much of a boost due to conductivity but just the lack of buildings and hills to attenuate. Fresh water isn't really all that great, except when intermingled with live and decaying organic matter as in the big marshes where Rte. 27 crosses the Sudbury River, Rte. 109 goes across the Charles, etc. Northwest is probably WJIB's poorest direction with Belmont Hill, "Mount Gilboa", Turkey Hill, and Zion Hill on that general bearing. If I remember right, you and Bob Bittner did a test one night with a receiver connected to the WJIB stick during a transmitter shutdown. That must have been interesting. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA -----Original Message----- From: scott@fybush.com ? My experience back in my Waltham days, which ended 10 years ago today, was that on a typical night, WJIB far overpowered what was then CBL. I suspect Bob's signal got a nice groundwave boost down the Charles River in my direction.? ? s? ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Jan 28 21:17:39 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:17:39 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB References: Message-ID: <001801c7434c$076fee60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Think Simon Geller; think WVCA; think classical music. Contrary to the local urban legend, Geller was NOT a classical music afficionado. He adopted the classical format at WVCA because couldn't afford music license fees and any copyrights that might once have existed on the classical music he played had long-since expired. Hence he could play it without having to pay license fees to ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC. (Every time I see the initials SESAC, I think of a popular kids TV program of that era--Beanie and Cecil. Cecil was Cecil the Seasick Sea-serpent. I once knew what the initials SESAC stood for, but I can no longer remember.) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakim Madjid" To: ; ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB > Even if Bob sold the station to a syndicate of boston-radio-interest > participants, how would this get around the original hang up, namely > the ASCAP & BMI fee problems? > > 73, DE Hakim (N1ZFF). > > Larry Weil wrote: > > >What's this so-called smooth jazz? I want only real jazz. > > >Point proven!!!!! > > > Brian Vita wrote: > >> > >>Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here > >>without flaming each other out, do you really think that we could > >>RUN a radio station without killing each other? Try picking a > >>format! Let's see, beautiful music, long-haired classical for the > >>elite, smooth jazz, blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative > >>talk, local talk. We could do a different format each hour! From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Jan 29 00:24:57 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:24:57 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <001801c7434c$076fee60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: , <001801c7434c$076fee60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45BD3ED9.5365.882861@joe.attorneyross.com> On 28 Jan 2007 at 21:17, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Think Simon Geller; think WVCA; think classical music. Contrary to the local > urban legend, Geller was NOT a classical music afficionado. He adopted the > classical format at WVCA because couldn't afford music license fees and any > copyrights that might once have existed on the classical music he played had > long-since expired. Hence he could play it without having to pay license > fees to ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC. (Every time I see the initials SESAC, I think > of a popular kids TV program of that era--Beanie and Cecil. Cecil was Cecil > the Seasick Sea-serpent. I once knew what the initials SESAC stood for, but > I can no longer remember.) Ah, Beanie and Cecil. I actually have an episode of "Time for Beanie" on video. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Jan 29 02:42:54 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:42:54 -0500 Subject: Audio: survivor of deadly radio stunt speaks Message-ID: <45BDA57E.1070300@gabrielmass.com> A podcast from the SF Chronicle has an interview with one of the participants in the Sacramento radio contest: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=5&entry_id=12804 --RC From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Jan 29 11:53:28 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:53:28 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <20070129165330.DDC651158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> That was interesting about WVCA and Geller's airing of classical music. > Even if Bob sold the station to a syndicate of boston-radio-interest > participants, how would this get around the original hang up, namely > the ASCAP & BMI fee problems? Possibly airing prog. talk; I think the article about Bob's predicament said that the new music licensing arrangement gave a little more leeway to talk stations (which use pop songs for bumper music) but bumped up fees for stations with over 5,000 listeners. They'd have to pay BMI and ASCAP but not nearly as much. I'm reading a book about radio called "Something in The Air". It mentioned that the NAB "created BMI in 1939" to break ASCAP's monopoly. When ASCAP raised their fees, radio station owners decided to create their own music licenser...and the next thing you knew, you had artists who weren't on ASCAP (C&W, "race music" aka R&B) getting airplay. The book also mentions a radio boycott of ASCAP in 1941, since they asked for a huge rate increase, and the fact that radio stations began to work with small record labels, record promoters, etc. as a result. So that kind of ties in with the ASCAP and BMI rate increases that is affecting what WJIB may be airing in the future... = Ruth's Chris Steak House Serious steak and fine wines. Easy online reservations. Book your table now. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=220fddbe32a68e1697d41324940e09b6 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 29 13:27:03 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: AAR sold; Franken to be replaced by Hartmann Message-ID: <1fbbbced0701291027w1643f279t1aa2ce0e90e79dbb@mail.gmail.com> http://www.startribune.com/535/story/966770.html Stephen Green is buying Air America; Al Franken is leaving effective Feb 14, to be replaced by Thom Hartmann. I don't know if Green would be able to buy some stations (like in Boston) which could air the network... From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 14:15:20 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:15:20 -0500 Subject: WJIB (at night) Message-ID: One night after attending a concert at the "Tweeter Center" (formerly "Great Woods") in Mansfield a few years ago, I was surfing the dial in the parking lot while waiting for the exiting traffic to disperse, and I was surprised to hear the five watt nighttime WJIB down there. It was a summer night with apparently very little skywave. WJIB was very faint, just enough signal to tell what songs were playing, and to understand any announcements. Toronto was barely there behind it. EP From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Jan 29 15:10:51 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:10:51 -0500 Subject: AAR sold; Franken to be replaced by Hartmann In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0701291027w1643f279t1aa2ce0e90e79dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <1fbbbced0701291027w1643f279t1aa2ce0e90e79dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 1:27 PM -0500 1/29/07, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://www.startribune.com/535/story/966770.html > >Stephen Green is buying Air America; Al Franken is leaving effective Feb 14, >to be replaced by Thom Hartmann. I don't know if Green would be able to >buy some stations (like in Boston) which could air the network... I wonder if this means Hartmann will no longer be on Sirius Left? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Jan 29 16:26:57 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: A moneymaker for WJIB? (Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB) In-Reply-To: <20070129165330.DDC651158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070129165330.DDC651158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <39283.12.37.144.130.1170106017.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Has Bob considered renting out his tower space to cell-phone and pager companies? Some AM stations are doing this now. Definitely worth looking into. stephanie From readaaron@friedbagels.com Mon Jan 29 12:09:59 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:09:59 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <45BE2A67.80806@friedbagels.com> >>On 27 Jan 2007 at 11:44, Brian Vita wrote: >> >> Given how we have a hard enough time TALKING about radio here without >> flaming each other out, do you really think that we could RUN a radio >> station without killing each other? Try picking a format! Let's see, >> beautiful music, long-haired classical for the elite, smooth jazz, >> blues, folk, "progressive" talk, conservative talk, local talk. We >> could do a different format each hour! > >Hey, I like that idea! >A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > And, in other words, be exactly like WBRS, WUML, WZBC, WMBR, WMFO, WUMD, WRBB and WERS? And those are just the ones that are (theoretically) listenable while in Cambridge. Never mind the dozens of other college/high-school radio stations, and pirate stations, in and around Boston. If I wanted to listen to that kinda of free-form crap, I'd listen to one of the existing stations. And if anyone wanted to listen to those stations, then they'd show up in the Arbitrons/RRC's. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com From lglavin@mail.com Mon Jan 29 14:11:45 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:11:45 -0500 Subject: AAR sold; Franken to be replaced by Hartmann Message-ID: <20070129191145.93A6B1158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: AAR sold; Franken to be replaced by Hartmann >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:27:03 -0500 >http://www.startribune.com/535/story/966770.html >Stephen Green is buying Air America; Al Franken is leaving effective Feb 14, >to be replaced by Thom Hartmann. I don't know if Green would be able to >buy some stations (like in Boston) which could air the network... Before he couuld even consider buying or entering into a LMA in Boston, he'd first want to solidify his position in New York City. I wonder if the New York Radio Message Board had a hand in this sale; they spent days absolutely slamming WRNN which had previousy been considered the likely buyer of A.A.R. If the new owner turned out to be a sleazy operator of an infomercial-infested TV station that prospered only because of the must-carry rules, Air America might have become even more tainted than some are describing it today. = Imagemicroderm Microdermabrasion Systems The only microdermabrasion machine that has a lifetime warranty and four applications all in one system. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=6fb8f5dba9a8938f394b48dc375475b8 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Jan 29 16:38:55 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:38:55 -0500 Subject: A moneymaker for WJIB? (Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB) In-Reply-To: <39283.12.37.144.130.1170106017.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <20070129165330.DDC651158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <39283.12.37.144.130.1170106017.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0701291338p23e357fag6e7c04cdfed0e525@mail.gmail.com> > Has Bob considered renting out his tower space to cell-phone and pager > companies? > Bob replied to that on radio-info.com; he said the "self-supporting tower was not designed" for such equipment, and he said he's been offered money to do that but not nearly enough. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Jan 29 16:51:44 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:51:44 -0500 Subject: A moneymaker for WJIB? (Re: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0701291338p23e357fag6e7c04cdfed0e525@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070129165330.DDC651158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> <39283.12.37.144.130.1170106017.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> <1fbbbced0701291338p23e357fag6e7c04cdfed0e525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17854.27760.280004.617430@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Bob replied to that on radio-info.com; he said the "self-supporting > tower was not designed" for such equipment, and he said he's been > offered money to do that but not nearly enough. I'm sure Bob knows Ed Perry, who does that sort of thing as one of his side lines. In that part of Cambridge, with all the office/industrial development nearby, there are probably easier locations to build (without requiring all the extra work to hang something off a hot tower), which would explain why he's not getting good offers. -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 30 00:17:24 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:17:24 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BE2A67.80806@friedbagels.com> References: <45BE2A67.80806@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: At 12:09 PM -0500 1/29/07, Aaron Read wrote: > >If I wanted to listen to that kinda of free-form crap, I'd listen to >one of the existing stations. And if anyone wanted to listen to >those stations, then they'd show up in the Arbitrons/RRC's. Hey, Aaron, we all have different musical tastes. Just because you don't like what I like I won't label what you like as "crap". Please show others the same respect, OK. Those stations don't show up in the Arbitrons because they don't rate non-commercial stations. And even if they have a relatively low listenership, there's still an audience being served, even if you are not a part of it. With the large number of radio stations in this area, there's no need for them all to be the same and only catering to the most popular tastes, there's room for everyone. OK, rant mode off. That being said, today I got my ice storm damaged FM antenna replaced. The remains of the old Stereo Probe 9 are now awaiting my next trip to the dump, but I will strongly recommend the Delphi FM antenna the installer used. The Delphi TV antenna and Channel Master preamp they also installed means I'll finally have the ability to receive digital TV as soon as I find a reasonably priced box. Anyone have any user reports on the Sangean HD Radio tuner? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From mailinglists2005@hotmail.com Tue Jan 30 06:46:02 2007 From: mailinglists2005@hotmail.com (Mike Malone) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:46:02 -0500 Subject: WCUW Worcester Off-air Message-ID: Non-Commercial 91.3FM WCUW in Worcester is in trouble again after their transmitter failed last week. In an email being circulated by staff members, it is stated that there is no money to repair the transmitter or to pay increased BMI & ASCAP fees. The email is asking for contributions to return the station to the air. WCUW began in the early 1970s as the Clark University radio station but became an independent entity late in the 1970s. In the last several years the station been plagued by failing equipment, a lack of funds, and questions of the effectiveness of the management. Worcester Magazine did a piece on these problems a few weeks ago (it's about half way down the page) http://www.worcestermag.com/archives/2006/12-28-06/city_desk.html _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG From readaaron@friedbagels.com Tue Jan 30 12:42:21 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:42:21 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> Ehhh. Sorry, Larry. I had a long and barely-civil argument with a friend about college radio recently. I shouldn't have taken it out on the list. However, you'll note that I didn't say "Arbitron". I said "Arbitron/RRC"...for Radio Research Consortium; the Arbitrons of the non-commercial band (although that is, apparently, going away very soon as well since Arbitron wants to treat non-comms the same as commercial stations in ratings). Generally speaking, those stations don't show up in the RRC ratings either. With the exception of WERS, I suppose...but I don't know if their new format has been around long enough to be measured yet. Anyways, I completely agree that there are fans of freeform out there, and I also agree that there should be at least a station or two available for those fans to listen to. But the Greater Boston area has at least 17 stations (WYAJ, WZLY, WERS, WMBR, WZBC, WMFO, WRBB, WIQH, WBMT, WRPS, WBIM, WUML, WUMD, WMWM, WXPL, WDJM and WHHB) that are pretty much devoted to the freeform or quasi-freeform/block-form format. (One could argue WMLN, WGAO and WHRB are as well...but I personally don't think so). While there certainly are some great shows on those stations, there's also an ocean of crap. Granted commercial radio is like that, too...but with freeform I feel it's for a different reason: many of these stations exist to serve their DJ's first and listenerships second. Because of its unique nature, freeform programming tends to encourage that mindset. Ergo, it's even more work to fight against that trend and focus on the listeners' needs...work that VERY few people (I include myself among them) are willing to put in to make a great show. So I guess I wasn't dopeslapping the freeform format so much as I was dissing the way it's frequently done here in Boston. I don't think we need an 18th iteration of freeform on our airwaves and the ratings would seem to indicate that the listening public doesn't want it, either. Instead, the ratings seem to indicate they like what Bob is doing right now. Heh. Seeing Mike's post about WCUW, maybe Bob should buy out that station, too...simulcast it with WJIB, and get a better rate for his leased-time programming! :-) -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com At 12:09 PM -0500 1/29/07, Aaron Read wrote: > >If I wanted to listen to that kinda of free-form crap, I'd listen to >one of the existing stations. And if anyone wanted to listen to >those stations, then they'd show up in the Arbitrons/RRC's. Hey, Aaron, we all have different musical tastes. Just because you don't like what I like I won't label what you like as "crap". Please show others the same respect, OK. Those stations don't show up in the Arbitrons because they don't rate non-commercial stations. And even if they have a relatively low listenership, there's still an audience being served, even if you are not a part of it. With the large number of radio stations in this area, there's no need for them all to be the same and only catering to the most popular tastes, there's room for everyone. OK, rant mode off. That being said, today I got my ice storm damaged FM antenna replaced. The remains of the old Stereo Probe 9 are now awaiting my next trip to the dump, but I will strongly recommend the Delphi FM antenna the installer used. The Delphi TV antenna and Channel Master preamp they also installed means I'll finally have the ability to receive digital TV as soon as I find a reasonably priced box. Anyone have any user reports on the Sangean HD Radio tuner? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Jan 30 14:27:11 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:27:11 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> References: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <17855.39951.485545.478491@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > But the Greater Boston area has at least 17 stations (WYAJ, WZLY, > WERS, WMBR, WZBC, WMFO, WRBB, WIQH, WBMT, WRPS, WBIM, WUML, WUMD, > WMWM, WXPL, WDJM and WHHB) that are pretty much devoted to the > freeform or quasi-freeform/block-form format. Spoken like an engineer.... No more than five of these are listenable at any one location, and that's just within a few blocks of Northeastern. Outside of the inner city, you're looking at no more than three. Most places have only one. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Jan 30 15:12:03 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:12:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB Message-ID: <17004547.1170187923656.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: Aaron Read > To: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:09:59 -0500 > Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB > > And, in other words, be exactly like WBRS, WUML, WZBC, > WMBR, WMFO, WUMD, WRBB and WERS? And those are > just the ones that are (theoretically) listenable while in > Cambridge. > > If I wanted to listen to that kinda of free-form crap, I'd > listen to one of the existing stations. And if anyone > wanted to listen to those stations, then they'd show up in > the Arbitrons/RRC's. Take a closer look at the RRC. WERS is an RRC subscriber, and they show with significant ratings for a student college station. A 1.2 share in the 12+ fall book, and at times over the past few years, their 12+ has approached that of WGBH. None of the other college stations you mentioned are RRC subscribers, so they won't show, but I've occasionally been privy to the non-public Arbitron listings including non-comms, and college stations which do not try to program for ratings such as WMBR and WZBC get an overall .1 share 12+. Very small ratings wise, but people are listening. Weaker stations like WMFO and WBRS don't show, more likely because their signals only cover small portions of the market. As for listenable in Cambridge, WUML is blocked by WMFO. WBRS is marginal. WUMD does not come in. Too far away. It's there but faint in Boston's metro-west and metro-south suburbs. WRBB is cut up by WBOQ Gloucester in many spots. These stations are mainly intended to be an outlet for students, and "free-form" is what some of them want to do. "Free-form" can be done well so that the music and segues flow nicely, or it can be done poorly so that segues are jarring and the music is irrelevent to one another. It's not designed to be mass appeal, it's more like an art form which can be good, or not so good. I don't feel that student college stations should strive for ratings. Leave that up to commercial and professional public stations. However, I do feel that when a program on a college station does happen to become popular, perhaps that factor should be given more consideration than it is by some of the student managements. EP From readaaron@friedbagels.com Tue Jan 30 16:19:13 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:19:13 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <17855.39951.485545.478491@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> <17855.39951.485545.478491@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45BFB651.1020908@friedbagels.com> Well I'm not an engineer, but I play one at my job! :-) But if you're going to digress...WERS, WMBR and WZBC are audible over a pretty wide stretch of the Boston area. Likewise, WUML and WUMD are also audible over wide areas north and south (respectively) of Boston...and can be heard in many parts of Boston proper if you've got a good receiver & antenna (and in WUML's case, if WMFO is off the air). So that's approximately FOUR signals that are audible in many of the stations the remaining 13 signals are broadcasting in. Granted, most of the 13 do not overlap...but even in a worst-case scenario you're looking at a minimum of two or three, probably more like four to six, stations that are mostly playing similar "freeform" or "block programming" formats. Just in any one given area. Compare that to (AFAIK) just ONE station (WJMN) playing a format that (allegedly) caters to African-American interests. In fact, other than sports/news/talk...name me a format that has four to six signals overlapping in the same point. The only one that comes close is rock/alternative and that's only because WAAF is simulcasting on WKAF (which I wager many on this list would deem a tragedy given what happened to WBOT/WILD). The bottom line is that the freeform format is vastly over-represented in the Boston area. Seriously, is there another market in the country where there's so many signals devoted to that style? NYC is the only one I can think of and I'm not sure even they have quite as many. -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> But the Greater Boston area has at least 17 stations (WYAJ, WZLY, >> WERS, WMBR, WZBC, WMFO, WRBB, WIQH, WBMT, WRPS, WBIM, WUML, WUMD, >> WMWM, WXPL, WDJM and WHHB) that are pretty much devoted to the >> freeform or quasi-freeform/block-form format. > > Spoken like an engineer.... > > No more than five of these are listenable at any one location, and > that's just within a few blocks of Northeastern. Outside of the inner > city, you're looking at no more than three. Most places have only > one. > > -GAWollman > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Tue Jan 30 17:46:38 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:46:38 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> References: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <200701302247.l0UMkhL4001281@mac.com> At 12:42 PM 1/30/2007, Aaron Read wrote: >Anyways, I completely agree that there are fans of freeform out >there, and I also agree that there should be at least a station or >two available for those fans to listen to. >While there certainly are some great shows on those stations, >there's also an ocean of crap. Like any format, it can be done well or not well. Play songs with a common theme, add some pertinent commentary, and you have Vin Scelsa. Play an iPod Shuttle, and you have WERS. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Jan 30 18:04:59 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:04:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45BFB651.1020908@friedbagels.com> References: <45BF837D.5040707@friedbagels.com> <17855.39951.485545.478491@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <45BFB651.1020908@friedbagels.com> Message-ID: <58274.12.37.144.130.1170198299.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Tue, January 30, 2007 16:19, Aaron Read wrote: > Seriously, is there another market in the country > where there's so many signals devoted to that style? NYC is the only > one I can think of and I'm not sure even they have quite as many. There is ONE FM station in the NYC _METRO_ area that does "free form" radio as a format. WFMU-FM 91 in Jersey City. However the signal in New York City proper is almost close to non-existent, unless you happen to have a good quality radio in lower-mid Manhattan. There's WFUV 90.7 from the Bronx, but that one does mostly AAA programming during the day, some syndicated stuff in the evenings. It's better called "block programming". Again, that one's not really audible once you get out of the Bronx and Upper Manhattan. Non-com WBAI-FM 99.5 and WNYC-FM 94 in New York are pretty much talk and block-formatted for all intents and purposes. So there really isn't any real free-form radio in New York City. And I'm sorry, but if you have to perform acrobatics with a ultra-super-duper-hyper-sensitive radio to get a fuzzy signal, it doesn't count. Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From madprof@ix.netcom.com Wed Jan 31 01:18:14 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:18:14 -0500 Subject: WLVI 56 color bars Message-ID: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> I thought someone would mention before I got to it.... tonight (1-30) just before 8pm (& CW feed for Gilmore Girls), ch56 aired about 2 minutes of color bars / audio tone, then about 1 minute of blank screen & dead audio. Then CW popped in on time. I'm guessing this is another glitch caused by the 56 move to the ch 7 building(s) & "switching errors". gee, don't they have enuf personnell who can handle 56, or is it forgetfulness / higher priority placed on ch7's signal? Bob Sutherland. From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 31 08:00:56 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:00:56 -0500 Subject: WLVI 56 color bars References: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> Message-ID: <047b01c74537$d95347a0$6401a8c0@pastor2> While we're on this subject . . . excuse me, please, for what may be a dumb question, but are there any TV stations that still play test patterns in the wee small hours? I haven't seen one in years. As most stations now operate 24/7, I'm assuming they're a thing of the past. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: "B-R-I" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: WLVI 56 color bars > I thought someone would mention before I got to it.... > tonight (1-30) just before 8pm (& CW feed for Gilmore Girls), > ch56 aired about 2 minutes of color bars / audio tone, > then about 1 minute of blank screen & dead audio. > Then CW popped in on time. > > I'm guessing this is another glitch caused by the 56 move > to the ch 7 building(s) & "switching errors". > gee, don't they have enuf personnell who can handle 56, > or is it forgetfulness / higher priority placed on ch7's signal? > > Bob Sutherland. > > From mamros@MIT.EDU Wed Jan 31 10:10:18 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:10:18 -0500 Subject: WLVI 56 color bars In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:00:56 EST." <047b01c74537$d95347a0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <200701311510.l0VFAIDs006927@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> >While we're on this subject . . . excuse me, please, for what may be a dumb >question, but are there any TV stations that still play test patterns in the >wee small hours? I haven't seen one in years. As most stations now operate >24/7, I'm assuming they're a thing of the past. Test patterns generate no revenue. Infomercials do. :-P -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 09:50:42 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:50:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: WLVI 56 color bars In-Reply-To: <047b01c74537$d95347a0$6401a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <456124.40467.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Doug Drown wrote: > While we're on this subject . . . excuse me, please, for what may be > a dumb > question, but are there any TV stations that still play test patterns > in the > wee small hours? I haven't seen one in years. As most stations now > operate > 24/7, I'm assuming they're a thing of the past. In the small market where I live, there is one station that runs bars late nights on weekends. 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Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Jan 31 11:49:09 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:49:09 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) Message-ID: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in Lynn, MA) came up on Free Republic and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On the history page came this tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in radio advertising" with a weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before Jack Benny. The "Flufferettes" show featured some performers who later went on to national fame, and it aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New England: http://www.marshmallowfluff.com/pages/history1.html And the main page of the site has two old Fluffernutter jingles. http://www.marshmallowfluff.com/pages/homepage.html Marshmallow Fluff is also mentioned in "I'm From Lynn, What Can I Say?" by funny folk singer Don White, a Lynn native. = Train Managers with Business Simulations A great way to train your employees, staff, affiliates and partners. Use business simulations. They are easy on the eye and provide great examples. Free trial. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=bfe7a98471fd52b083dc45b9952042c6 From fox893@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 13:24:31 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fluffernutter must be a new england thing. I mentioned it to someone from the west coast several years ago and they had no idea what I was talking about. --- Bob Nelson wrote: > Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in > Lynn, MA) came up on Free Republic > and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On > the history page came this > tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in > radio advertising" with a > weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before > Jack Benny. The "Flufferettes" > show featured some performers who later went on to > national fame, and it > aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New > England: > ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me on the web! http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox ***Commercial Production Demo at: http://cooperfox.voice123.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Jan 31 13:45:03 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:45:03 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070131184302.2F77444C194@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:49 AM 1/31/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in Lynn, MA) came up >on Free Republic >and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On the history >page came this >tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in radio advertising" with a >weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before Jack Benny. The >"Flufferettes" >show featured some performers who later went on to national fame, and it >aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New England: I was a guest on NPR a few weeks ago discussing that very subject. Joe Rines, a Boston legend in bandleading, was the guy whose band did the music for the show, and when you did the music for a sponsor in those days, you had to take the sponsor's name, so Joe's orchestra became known as the Flufferettes. The show aired on Sunday nights beginning in January 1930. Glad to see the Freepers talking about something sweet for a change!!! From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Wed Jan 31 15:26:02 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:26:02 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070131152431.025c0560@BelloAssoc.com> Jay Leno was "Jay Walking" last night and "What is a Fluffernutter ?" was a question ! At 01:24 PM 1/31/2007, Cooper Fox wrote: >Fluffernutter must be a new england thing. I >mentioned it to someone from the west coast several >years ago and they had no idea what I was talking >about. > > > >--- Bob Nelson wrote: > > > Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in > > Lynn, MA) came up on Free Republic > > and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On > > the history page came this > > tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in > > radio advertising" with a > > weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before > > Jack Benny. The "Flufferettes" > > show featured some performers who later went on to > > national fame, and it > > aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New > > England: > > > >***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me >on the web! > http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox > >***Commercial Production Demo at: >http://cooperfox.voice123.com > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for earth-friendly autos? >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ Ron Bello Bello Associates, Inc. 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 Framingham, MA 01701 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 From me@billoneill.us Wed Jan 31 16:14:34 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:14:34 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <20070131184302.2F77444C194@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20070131184302.2F77444C194@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <45C106BA.6090607@billoneill.us> Donna Halper wrote: > Glad to see the Freepers talking about something sweet for a change!!! > > A perfect meal: The Fluffernutter sandwich (so long as the other ingredient is Skippy creamy) on Wonder bread. Oh, and it is cheating if you try to make the Fluff spread more easily by microwaving it first. And now, a word from our sponsor. Bill O'Neill From markwats@comcast.net Wed Jan 31 17:18:01 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:18:01 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> At least 10 suspicious "devices" found throughout the day in Boston, Cambridge & Somerville, leading to closings of parts of I-93, subway lines, roads & bridges, part of the Charles River and a massive response by local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Not a terrorist act, but a marketing stunt for Turner Broadcasting's Cartoon Network to promote a new program. Turner Broadcasting has issued an apology for the stunt gone wrong. >From a broadcasting standpoint: Channel 5 pre-empted network & Oprah and Channel 7 blew off Family Feud (and all spots) since around 3, Channel 4 jumped in just before Mayor Menino's press conference at 4:15. WBZ radio had extensive coverage in between the rest of their news clock elements. Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the marketing department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue any penalties to Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization (albeit one received via cable or dish, not an over the air net) causing such a commotion? Will heads be rolling at Turner's world headquarters? Definitely not a good day in Atlanta (if that's where they're still based). Does Ted Turner still own any part of Turner Broadcasting? I thought he sold part, if not all to Time Warner. Mark Watson From hykker@grolen.com Wed Jan 31 17:44:14 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:44:14 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070131174209.01a188c8@grolen.com> Cooper Fox wrote: >Fluffernutter must be a new england thing. I >mentioned it to someone from the west coast several >years ago and they had no idea what I was talking >about. I recall when I was a kid there was white & pink Fluff (the pink supposedly being strawberry, but I never noticed much difference)...do they still make both varieties? Don't really feel like driving 1/2 hr+ to a supermarket to check it out right now. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007 From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:49:00 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:49:00 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070131152431.025c0560@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <001701c7458a$0080c170$6501a8c0@pastor2> I'm not sure Fluff is even sold nationwide, is it? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Cooper Fox" ; "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) > > Jay Leno was "Jay Walking" last night and > "What is a Fluffernutter ?" was a question ! > > > At 01:24 PM 1/31/2007, Cooper Fox wrote: > > >Fluffernutter must be a new england thing. I > >mentioned it to someone from the west coast several > >years ago and they had no idea what I was talking > >about. > > > > > > > >--- Bob Nelson wrote: > > > > > Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in > > > Lynn, MA) came up on Free Republic > > > and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On > > > the history page came this > > > tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in > > > radio advertising" with a > > > weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before > > > Jack Benny. The "Flufferettes" > > > show featured some performers who later went on to > > > national fame, and it > > > aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New > > > England: > > > > > > >***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me > >on the web! > > http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox > > > >***Commercial Production Demo at: > >http://cooperfox.voice123.com > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ > >Looking for earth-friendly autos? > >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > > Ron Bello > Bello Associates, Inc. > 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 > Framingham, MA 01701 > 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 > > > > From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Jan 31 17:57:39 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:57:39 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" References: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <001f01c7458b$355f30b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> "Bad judgment call", indeed. I think that may turn out to be the understatement of the year. Hard to say whether anyone's head will roll, but it's a safe bet that a few people will at least be put on leave for a while. What a mind-bogglingly dumb idea. As for Ted Turner himself, he was co-CEO of Time Warner for a short time, then bowed out. I don't know whether he still has a major stake in the company. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Watson" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" > At least 10 suspicious "devices" found throughout the day in Boston, > Cambridge & Somerville, leading to closings of parts of I-93, subway lines, > roads & bridges, part of the Charles River and a massive response by local, > state and federal law enforcement agencies. Not a terrorist act, but a > marketing stunt for Turner Broadcasting's Cartoon Network to promote a new > program. Turner Broadcasting has issued an apology for the stunt gone wrong. > >From a broadcasting standpoint: Channel 5 pre-empted network & Oprah and > Channel 7 blew off Family Feud (and all spots) since around 3, Channel 4 > jumped in just before Mayor Menino's press conference at 4:15. WBZ radio had > extensive coverage in between the rest of their news clock elements. > > Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the marketing > department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue any penalties to > Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization (albeit one received via > cable or dish, not an over the air net) causing such a commotion? Will heads > be rolling at Turner's world headquarters? Definitely not a good day in > Atlanta (if that's where they're still based). > > Does Ted Turner still own any part of Turner Broadcasting? I thought he > sold part, if not all to Time Warner. > > Mark Watson > > > From francini@mac.com Wed Jan 31 18:01:11 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:01:11 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> References: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <8E7E6747-CB89-4240-8A08-CD778AABB13A@mac.com> Or, the better question: WHEN THE H*LL will we as a people stop thinking that ANYTHING out of the ordinary is automagically a potential terrorist act???? We have to stop being this way -- else the "terrorists" (more precisely, those in our own government who would take away freedoms for a fig-leaf pretext of protection) will have won. John On 31 Jan 2007, at 17:18, Mark Watson wrote: > At least 10 suspicious "devices" found throughout the day in > Boston, Cambridge & Somerville, leading to closings of parts of > I-93, subway lines, roads & bridges, part of the Charles River and > a massive response by local, state and federal law enforcement > agencies. Not a terrorist act, but a marketing stunt for Turner > Broadcasting's Cartoon Network to promote a new program. Turner > Broadcasting has issued an apology for the stunt gone wrong. >> From a broadcasting standpoint: Channel 5 pre-empted network & >> Oprah and > Channel 7 blew off Family Feud (and all spots) since around 3, > Channel 4 jumped in just before Mayor Menino's press conference at > 4:15. WBZ radio had extensive coverage in between the rest of their > news clock elements. > > Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the > marketing department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue > any penalties to Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization > (albeit one received via cable or dish, not an over the air net) > causing such a commotion? Will heads be rolling at Turner's world > headquarters? Definitely not a good day in Atlanta (if that's where > they're still based). > > Does Ted Turner still own any part of Turner Broadcasting? I > thought he sold part, if not all to Time Warner. > > Mark Watson > From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 31 18:01:57 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:01:57 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the marketing department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue any penalties to Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization (albeit one received via cable or dish, not an over the air net) causing such a commotion? Will heads be rolling at Turner's world headquarters? Definitely not a good day in Atlanta (if that's where they're still based).<< I am not a lawyer, but one thought occurred to me: Turner Broadcasting is an FCC licensee (numerous satellite uplinks, plus WTBS(TV) Atlanta), and there is a rule prohibiting broadcast "hoaxes." One of the conditions under which the rule applies is the unnecessary diversion of law enforcement or safety personnel. I have no idea whether or not this would apply to a cable channel. And if those objects have been sitting around for two or three weeks, undetected, I have to wonder if people on Turner's payroll were the ones who reported them to authorities. Funny how they all came to light on the same day in ten different cities. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jan 31 18:02:16 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:02:16 -0500 Subject: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) In-Reply-To: <001701c7458a$0080c170$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <20070131164911.13D1716427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20070131182431.53463.qmail@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070131152431.025c0560@BelloAssoc.com> <001701c7458a$0080c170$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <45C11FF8.7010505@ttlc.net> Acording to the Fluff Website FAQ (Flufferently Asked Questions) Fluff is sold at: Associated Grocers, Bashas', Dominicks Finer Foods, Food Lion, Giant Foods, Krogers, Hannaford Brothers, Jewel Food Stores, Piggly Wiggly, Shaw's Supermarkets, Stop & Shop, WalMart Stores & more... It also notes: fluff is now enjoyed in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Holland, Israel, south Africa, Belgium, and the UAE. Although Fluff enjoys wide distribution in the United States, there are still a few places where we are not located. If you happen to live in such a place, or cannot find Fluff locally, it may be ordered directly from our factory using the Order Form located in this site. It is available in Original, Strawberry & Raspberry. Doug Drown wrote: > I'm not sure Fluff is even sold nationwide, is it? > -Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Bello" > To: "Cooper Fox" ; "Bob Nelson" ; > "BostonRadio Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Fluff show on Yankee Network (1930s) > > >> Jay Leno was "Jay Walking" last night and >> "What is a Fluffernutter ?" was a question ! >> >> >> At 01:24 PM 1/31/2007, Cooper Fox wrote: >> >>> Fluffernutter must be a new england thing. I >>> mentioned it to someone from the west coast several >>> years ago and they had no idea what I was talking >>> about. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Bob Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> Somehow the subject of Marshmallow Fluff (born in >>>> Lynn, MA) came up on Free Republic >>>> and a link was provided to the Durkee-Mower site. On >>>> the history page came this >>>> tidbit: Way back in 1930, they "became a pioneer in >>>> radio advertising" with a >>>> weekly 15-minute show on Sunday nights, just before >>>> Jack Benny. The "Flufferettes" >>>> show featured some performers who later went on to >>>> national fame, and it >>>> aired on the 21 station Yankee Network here in New >>>> England: >>>> >>> ***Looking for a DJ for your club/bar, event, or wedding? Visit me >>> on the web! >>> http://www.myspace.com/graniteproductionsdjcooperfox >>> >>> ***Commercial Production Demo at: >>> http://cooperfox.voice123.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ > _________ >>> Looking for earth-friendly autos? >>> Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. >>> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ >> >> Ron Bello >> Bello Associates, Inc. >> 160 Speen Street - Suite 303 >> Framingham, MA 01701 >> 508-820-1100 Fax 820-1112 >> >> >> >> > > > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jan 31 18:08:34 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:08:34 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> References: <003701c74585$b13c6280$9447da18@Mark> Message-ID: <45C12172.4050901@ttlc.net> As Mr. T would say I Pity The Fool that comes home to complain about being tied up in all that traffic when their spouse says "Yeah? Well Those Idiots Got Oprah Cancelled!" Mark Watson wrote: > At least 10 suspicious "devices" found throughout the day in Boston, > Cambridge & Somerville, leading to closings of parts of I-93, subway > lines, roads & bridges, part of the Charles River and a massive response > by local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Not a terrorist > act, but a marketing stunt for Turner Broadcasting's Cartoon Network to > promote a new program. Turner Broadcasting has issued an apology for the > stunt gone wrong. >> From a broadcasting standpoint: Channel 5 pre-empted network & Oprah and > Channel 7 blew off Family Feud (and all spots) since around 3, Channel 4 > jumped in just before Mayor Menino's press conference at 4:15. WBZ radio > had extensive coverage in between the rest of their news clock elements. > > Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the marketing > department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue any penalties to > Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization (albeit one received via > cable or dish, not an over the air net) causing such a commotion? Will > heads be rolling at Turner's world headquarters? Definitely not a good > day in Atlanta (if that's where they're still based). > > Does Ted Turner still own any part of Turner Broadcasting? I thought > he sold part, if not all to Time Warner. > > Mark Watson > > > > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Jan 31 18:09:53 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:09:53 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c7458c$ea898ed0$6800a8c0@Andrastea> I haven't actually seen what the hoax was. All I'm reading about is the aftermath. What happened? ------------------------------------ Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. Brian Vita President brian_vita@cssinc.com 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 tel: 978-538-7575 fax: 978-538-7550 AIM: btvita ------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:02 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" > > > >>Is this a bad judgement call on the part of someone in the > marketing > department at Turner/Cartoon Network? Can the FCC issue any > penalties to > > Turner in the wake of a broadcast organization (albeit one > received via > cable or dish, not an over the air net) causing such a commotion? Will > heads > be rolling at Turner's world headquarters? Definitely not a > good day in > Atlanta (if that's where they're still based).<< > > I am not a lawyer, but one thought occurred to me: Turner > Broadcasting > is an FCC licensee (numerous satellite uplinks, plus WTBS(TV) > Atlanta), > and there is a rule prohibiting broadcast "hoaxes." One of the > conditions under which the rule applies is the unnecessary > diversion of > law enforcement or safety personnel. I have no idea whether > or not this > would apply to a cable channel. > > And if those objects have been sitting around for two or three weeks, > undetected, I have to wonder if people on Turner's payroll > were the ones > who reported them to authorities. Funny how they all came to light on > the same day in ten different cities. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release > Date: 1/30/2007 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 From Joe@attorneyross.com Wed Jan 31 19:01:58 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:01:58 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45C0E7A6.16325.FF72A9@localhost> On 31 Jan 2007 Sid Schweiger wrote: > I am not a lawyer, but one thought occurred to me: Turner > Broadcasting is an FCC licensee (numerous satellite uplinks, plus > WTBS(TV) Atlanta), and there is a rule prohibiting broadcast "hoaxes." > One of the conditions under which the rule applies is the unnecessary > diversion of law enforcement or safety personnel. I have no idea > whether or not this would apply to a cable channel. I don't know either, but if there's a rule against broadcast hoaxes, why wasn't any action taken against the clowns who broadcast April Fools Day news a few years ago about Mayor Menino having a heart attack or some such thing? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From hinsdalien@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 19:43:13 2007 From: hinsdalien@yahoo.com (Doug Bassett) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <001801c7434c$076fee60$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <650606.77767.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: ( [snip] I once knew what the > initials SESAC stood for, but > I can no longer remember.) SESAC originally stoof for Society of European Stage Authors & Composers, though they would rather just be called SESAC these days. SESAC operates as a for-profit enterprise, keeping a certain amount of royalty income for itself, while ASCAP and BMI distribute all royalty income to composers and/or publishers (less administrative costs, of course). SESAC has moved away from their original mission of collecting fees for European artists, and is, according to their website, the "most innovative and fastest growing performing rights organization in the U.S." http://www.sesac.com I don't know why, but the whole royalty collection and distribution process fascinates me for some reason. When filling out those dreaded ASCAP and/or BMI logs once or twice a year (I've never had to fill out one for SESAC), I have occasionally been known to write legibly. :) Doug B. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jan 31 20:02:06 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:02:06 -0500 Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <650606.77767.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <650606.77767.qm@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C13C0E.3000901@ttlc.net> IRC, SESAC now represents several prominent composers/arrangers that hitherto nested with ASCAP and/or BMI e.g. Neil Diamond, possibly Bob Dylan. Some stations do not play songs by those composers because of the additional performance rights owed. Doug Bassett wrote: > --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > > ( [snip] I once knew what the >> initials SESAC stood for, but >> I can no longer remember.) > > SESAC originally stoof for Society of European Stage > Authors & Composers, though they would rather just be > called SESAC these days. SESAC operates as a > for-profit enterprise, keeping a certain amount of > royalty income for itself, while ASCAP and BMI > distribute all royalty income to composers and/or > publishers (less administrative costs, of course). > SESAC has moved away from their original mission of > collecting fees for European artists, and is, > according to their website, the "most innovative and > fastest growing performing rights organization in the > U.S." > > http://www.sesac.com > > I don't know why, but the whole royalty collection and > distribution process fascinates me for some reason. > When filling out those dreaded ASCAP and/or BMI logs > once or twice a year (I've never had to fill out one > for SESAC), I have occasionally been known to write > legibly. :) > > Doug B. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 21:34:02 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:34:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Herald: Music fee hikes could scuttle WJIB In-Reply-To: <45C13C0E.3000901@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <888848.42959.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > IRC, SESAC now represents several prominent > composers/arrangers that > hitherto nested with ASCAP and/or BMI e.g. Neil > Diamond, possibly Bob > Dylan. I remember back in the 70's, I was at a station that was visited by a Seasac agent(?). He offerred to sell a license to the station...and showed us the stable of artists that were Seasac. Most at the time were garbage, and the GM sent him packing with a polite "No, Thank You.". On the way driving away from our station , he heard a Seasac artist on the air....and turned the car around. ...came back in and said....."I think you better buy a Seasac license..." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From sid@wrko.com Wed Jan 31 21:36:49 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:36:49 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>if there's a rule against broadcast hoaxes, why wasn't any action taken against the clowns who broadcast April Fools Day news a few years ago about Mayor Menino having a heart attack or some such thing?<, Because that incident does NOT fit the definition of a broadcast "hoax." The applicable rule is here: TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED) PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations Sec. 73.1217 Broadcast hoaxes. No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if: (a) The licensee knows this information is false; (b) It is forseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm, and (c) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm. Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances. Note: For purposes of this rule, "public harm'' must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties. The public harm will be deemed foreseeable if the licensee could expect with a significant degree of certainty that public harm would occur. A "crime'' is any act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law. A "catastrophe'' is a disaster or imminent disaster involving violent or sudden event affecting the public. [57 FR 28640, June 26, 1992] =============================== Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From me@billoneill.us Wed Jan 31 21:47:17 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:47:17 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> Sid Schweiger wrote: > Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was > broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, > and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. > If there isn't, ultimately, a clear penalty dealt in this regard then we've just witnessed but a preview of 21st century marketing. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Jan 31 22:10:25 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:10:25 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> References: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45C15A21.3060607@ttlc.net> Allegedly an arrest has been made: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/suspicious_devices From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Jan 31 22:55:19 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:55:19 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <45C15A21.3060607@ttlc.net> References: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> <45C15A21.3060607@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <8091145C-DD39-4A69-A880-578B0A7D8A1F@mac.com> On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:10 PM, Roger Kirk wrote: > Allegedly an arrest has been made: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/suspicious_devices Most fans of the TV show, the upcoming movie, and Cartoon Network's Adult Swim probably think this is the funniest promotion ever performed. Government officials could fume for the rest of the month and they will think it is even funnier. Boston got punked. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 22:55:28 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <45C15A21.3060607@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > Allegedly an arrest has been made: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_on_re_us/suspicious_devices According to The Associated Press via WCAU, Philadelphia police now say that 56 similar devices are believed to be planted across that city. Lots of heads will roll over this one. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Jan 31 23:10:19 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:10:19 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <45C15A21.3060607@ttlc.net> <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c745b6$e3c0db60$6600a8c0@tony> What I find amazing about all this is that anyone - whether it was cops, govt officials, whomever - could possibly confuse a bunch of Lite Brites as bombs or a potential terrorist attack. Best, Tony Schinella