From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 1 00:30:23 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 00:30:23 -0400 Subject: The WJIB signal In-Reply-To: <0DB2AD56A4084157AC6873A2B52090A6@MarkOTS3> References: <0DB2AD56A4084157AC6873A2B52090A6@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <5222C2DF.5060504@attorneyross.com> On 8/31/2013 8:42 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > I've picked up WJIB on it's 5 watts in Lowell on some Summer nights in > the past. I've also heard 740 Toronto dominate WJIB's 5 watts on I-93 > North coming out of the Tip O'Neill Tunnel on Winter nights. I've read > somehwere (probably in a post here perhaps) that low power AM signals > tend to go further in the Summer then Winter. But it was my understanding that the higher-power signals from Toronto would come in stronger in winter. Am I wrong? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 1 00:31:06 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 00:31:06 -0400 Subject: FW: WKFY In-Reply-To: <023801cea651$4fbb9ba0$ef32d2e0$@garysicecream.com> References: <40616.2467b609.3f51a379@aol.com> <023801cea651$4fbb9ba0$ef32d2e0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <5222C30A.1000600@attorneyross.com> A harmonic or an internal image? On 8/31/2013 9:52 AM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > I was able to receive WJIB last night around 10pm in Chelmsford and they > were loud and clear. Of course I was listening in AM just below the 160 > meter ham band....using a moderate ham rig (Yaesu FT950) connected to a 120 > foot long dipole going through an antenna tuner......but they were loud and > clear. > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Watson > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:53 AM > To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Kevin Vahey > Cc: Mark Connelly; Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: WKFY > > Paul Walker wrote: > >> I havent been up through the area near WJIB in years, but I would bet >> the tower location WJIB currently has is one of the reasons it's >> signal is so good. Move it further inland and the signal dissipates. >> Only a guess because of water nearby. > WJIB's tower is not near the ocean, the closest water is Fresh Pond. But as > Chris Hall mentioned in his post, the ground system was replaced with the > four long copper rods deep into the soil. Apparently it works, as WJIB's day > signal is listenable in my car radio in Lowell and is listenable in other > places around the Greater Boston area. > > Mark Watson > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3222/6125 - Release Date: 08/30/13 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 1 00:33:49 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 00:33:49 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <5222C3AD.6010205@attorneyross.com> On 8/31/2013 12:10 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > Mark Watson wrote-- >> Dial Global offers several satellite fed music formats, including the >> "Timeless Favorites" standards/soft AC format airing on WFEA >> Manchester. I believe Dial Global also operates the voice tracking >> service that is being used outside of AM drive and middays on WBOQ. > And they syndicate several high-profile talkers, including Stephanie > Miller. They used to distribute Ed Schultz when he was just getting > started. Most of the talkers they distribute are conservatives, but > they were among the first to take a chance on some progressive/liberal > talkers, back when they were known as the Jones Radio Network. Where did that name "Jones Radio Network" come from? When I heard the liberal talkers, I thought the name might be related to Mother Jones magazine, but that doesn't sound entirely plausible somehow. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Sep 1 00:35:39 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 00:35:39 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <5222C41B.6090101@attorneyross.com> On 8/31/2013 1:19 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote: > One notable exception is a non-political talker, Clark Howard. His > consumer and financial daily talk show is informative, entertaining, > and a refreshing relief to those of us who have grown tired of > political talkers, left, right, or otherwise. He used to be on HLN, wasn't he? Is there any station locally that carries his program? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Sep 1 02:45:48 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 02:45:48 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: <5222C3AD.6010205@attorneyross.com> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <5222C3AD.6010205@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <5222E29C.2040203@donnahalper.com> it was asked-- > Where did that name "Jones Radio Network" come from? When I heard the > liberal talkers, I thought the name might be related to Mother Jones > magazine, but that doesn't sound entirely plausible somehow. > Nothing to do with Mother Jones, and everything to do with the original owner, a guy named Glenn Jones. I believe he used to work for Drake-Chenault and then started his own syndication service. Although most of Jones ' staff were (by their own admission) Texas Republicans, and nearly every show they syndicated reflected that viewpoint. But, they were also radio fans and not afraid to try something new, if they thought it could make some money. When a niche for a liberal/progressive talk show opened up circa 2004, they gave it a chance. That led to hiring and syndicating Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller, two very successful leftie talkers. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Sep 1 07:08:19 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 07:08:19 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update Message-ID: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can hear them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and smartphone apps. Link to Lowell Sun article: http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_23992422/wcaps-signal-suffering I should note that I live about 2 to 2.5 miles from WCAP's transmitter site, and I can't receive them over the air here. Mark Watson From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sun Sep 1 10:32:06 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:32:06 -0400 Subject: Cumulus Buys Dial Global In-Reply-To: <5222C41B.6090101@attorneyross.com> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> <5222C41B.6090101@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130901102852.03bed9e8@plymouthcolony.net> At 12:35 AM 9/1/2013, A Joseph Ross wrote: >He used to be on HLN, wasn't he? I think that he is still doing a feature on HLN once or twice a day, but I am not certain as I no longer watch any of the cable TV news channels. >Is there any station locally that carries his program? I listen to one, but it is local to me and not local to you. Clark has about 200 affiliates. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From billohno@gmail.com Sun Sep 1 08:18:05 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 08:18:05 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: Is WCAP operating on the 1 kW backup? When that used to happen, iirc, we'd get decent DAT coverage. The old Bower (Bauer) may be in bad shape. The main is a Harris AM-5 installed in 1980. I had heard that the new owners had tried to do some work on the overgrown vegetation on the tower farm (which presumably drank a lot of water impacting ground moisture.) I suspect many if the tower radials were a mess at that point. The early pix, compared to Scott Fybush's more recent (check Site of the Week archives) are dramatic for overgrowth. But it's been years since I was out to the farm so it's speculation. Bill O'Neill Mark Watson wrote: >The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power >while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam >Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can >hear them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website >and smartphone apps. > >Link to Lowell Sun article: > >http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_23992422/wcaps-signal-suffering > >I should note that I live about 2 to 2.5 miles from WCAP's transmitter >site, and I can't receive them over the air here. > >Mark Watson -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Sep 1 20:12:37 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 20:12:37 -0400 Subject: Red Sox broadcast rights in 1961 were very small. Message-ID: Fascinating look at what MLB teams generated from Radio-TV in 1961. The Red Sox payment from WHDH was quite low compared to most teams. http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/8/29/4670580/the-cost-of-baseballs-broadcast-rights-in-1961 WHDH-AM-FM-TV paid only $425,000 for everything - which was quite low compared to what other teams were generating. From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Sep 2 00:45:58 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:45:58 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can hear them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and smartphone apps. a,,, TUBE??? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Sep 2 00:55:02 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:55:02 -0400 Subject: Clark Howard (was Cumulus Buys Dial Global) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130901102852.03bed9e8@plymouthcolony.net> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> <5222C41B.6090101@attorneyross.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901102852.03bed9e8@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <52241A26.7030100@attorneyross.com> On 9/1/2013 10:32 AM, Dale H. Cook wrote: >> Is there any station locally that carries his program? > I listen to one, but it is local to me and not local to you. Clark has about 200 affiliates. I see that 920 in Providence is carrying him on Sunday evenings. IIRC, that was WJAR once upon a time, and I used to pick it up quite well in Bedford years ago. I wonder if it reaches Boston today. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 00:49:20 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 00:49:20 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Uh, yeah.. station transmitters still use them. It's not un heard of even in this day. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > > The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power >> while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam >> Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can hear >> them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >> smartphone apps. >> > > a,,, TUBE??? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 00:55:09 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 00:55:09 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: This appears to be a financial crisis driving technical ones. Under the Cohen's (when I worked there) while there were certainly austere periods, the main transmitter delivered the footprint. What program we put to that carrier, well, that's for another post! Bill O'Neill A Joseph Ross wrote: >On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: > >> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low >power while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. >Owner Sam Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter >site can hear them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP >website and smartphone apps. > >a,,, TUBE??? > >-- >A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA >02109-2004 >617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 07:34:28 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:34:28 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7a5daf6b-7270-4ee1-af10-b848680bbb43@email.android.com> Is the tube for the main 5kW transmitter or the back up 1kW they have been operating in recent past? The Bauer 1kW made the trip to the current Totman Road site from the former site in Dracut Center in 1951 if that gives you any idea of its age. When the Bauer is placed into the load and night pattern is engaged its any wonder why there it's barely audible to the NW. Even during daytime, that explains why, even at my parents home, northward through the State Forest that abuts tower farm, there has been much static and interference. I recall that whenever we used the 1 kW backup, the average modulation was backed down to keep the final from blowing. Bill O'Neill "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: >Uh, yeah.. station transmitters still use them. > >It's not un heard of even in this day. > > > > >On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross >wrote: > >> On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: >> >> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low >power >>> while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner >Sam >>> Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site >can hear >>> them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >>> smartphone apps. >>> >> >> a,,, TUBE??? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA >02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Sep 2 07:43:48 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 07:43:48 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Economics dictate that vacuum-tube-based AM transmitters remain in use, especially at financially challenged stations like WCAP. In the short run, a new tube and all of the sturm und drang associated with replacing the tube will still probably cost Poulten way less than a new solid-state transmitter would cost. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that, even with all of the fuss over getting the tube from Florida and installing it in the existing transmitter, the tube is costing Poulten only about 10% of what a new 5-kW solid-state AM transmitter would cost. Over the long term, however, the solid-state rig would probably be cheaper--especially here in the Northeast, where power bills are high--because the power bills for the solid-state unit would be a lot lower. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "A Joseph Ross" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:49 AM Subject: Re: WCAP Update > Uh, yeah.. station transmitters still use them. > > It's not un heard of even in this day. > > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross > wrote: > >> On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: >> >> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power >>> while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam >>> Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can >>> hear >>> them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >>> smartphone apps. >>> >> >> a,,, TUBE??? >> >> -- >> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 >> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >> >> From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Mon Sep 2 10:51:44 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 10:51:44 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3>, <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com>, , Message-ID: Just for fun, and while on the subject of transmitters and tube replacement, I thought I'd take two quick snapshots of the Western Electric 310A manual cover: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9655397396/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9652151007 On page 13, it actually has (under "General Features") a line for "Tube Cost" which states, " An approximate cost of the replacement tube complement (my note: that's 15 tubes for the 100-watt model) $210.00" That's in 1935 dollars. Btw, this transmitter was at the WLLH 4 Broadway studios (as a back-up) until WLLH moved to Middlesex Street. (The transmitter did not make the move) Mike From francini@mac.com Mon Sep 2 11:09:01 2013 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:09:01 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7B6BE83C-7D9B-4FD6-ABB6-D1A482E304CC@mac.com> So then, out of curiosity, for a 5kW transmitter, how much input power is needed for a typical vacuum-tube unit versus its solid-state equivalent? Would a 5kW transmitter require 10kW from the mains (thus dissipating 5kW in other ways (mainly heat))? Would a solid-state unit draw significantly less (like, say, around 6kW for the same output power? john On 2 Sep 2013, at 7:43 , Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Economics dictate that vacuum-tube-based AM transmitters remain in use, > especially at financially challenged stations like WCAP. In the short run, a new tube and all of the sturm und drang associated with replacing the tube will still probably cost Poulten way less than a new solid-state transmitter would cost. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that, even with all of the fuss over getting the tube from Florida and installing it in the existing transmitter, the tube is costing Poulten only about 10% of what a new 5-kW solid-state AM transmitter would cost. Over the long term, however, the solid-state rig would probably be cheaper--especially here in the Northeast, where power bills are high--because the power bills for the solid-state unit would be a lot lower. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > To: "A Joseph Ross" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: WCAP Update > > >> Uh, yeah.. station transmitters still use them. >> >> It's not un heard of even in this day. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross >> wrote: >> >>> On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> >>> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power >>>> while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam >>>> Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can >>>> hear >>>> them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >>>> smartphone apps. >>>> >>> >>> a,,, TUBE??? >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 >>> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >>> > From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 2 12:03:42 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:03:42 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3>, <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com>, , Message-ID: <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> In all my days at WLLH I don't ever think they were ever on Middlesex Street. They went from Broadway to Church Street and then to the hotel. Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Wilkins Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:52 AM Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) Just for fun, and while on the subject of transmitters and tube replacement, I thought I'd take two quick snapshots of the Western Electric 310A manual cover: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9655397396/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9652151007 On page 13, it actually has (under "General Features") a line for "Tube Cost" which states, " An approximate cost of the replacement tube complement (my note: that's 15 tubes for the 100-watt model) $210.00" That's in 1935 dollars. Btw, this transmitter was at the WLLH 4 Broadway studios (as a back-up) until WLLH moved to Middlesex Street. (The transmitter did not make the move) Mike From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Sep 2 13:00:46 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:00:46 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <7B6BE83C-7D9B-4FD6-ABB6-D1A482E304CC@mac.com> Message-ID: Back in college, more than 60 years ago, we studied the efficiency of high-level-modulated AM transmitters. If I'm not mistaken, the most modern designs of the day used something called Doherty modulation. The maximum efficiency at 100% modulation was surprisingly low, although I can't remember how low. Low or not, the efficiency as a lot higher than that of low-level modulation (also called grid modulation). Also, the analysis made no provision for compression or limiters ahead of the transmitter in the audio chain, enabling what was, in effect, modulation greater than 100%. Suppose the efficiency of the high-level modulated unit at 100% modulation was 40% (I don't know whether that figure is high or low) and that of a solid-state transmitter of modern design is 85%. If so, the high-level-modulated 5-kW transmitter dissipated 7.5 kW as heat and the solid-state unit dissipates approximately 880W as heat. Back in the day, FCC rules stipulated that an engineer had to be on duty at the transmitter site whenever the station was on the air. The 7500W that the high-level-modulated transmitter dissipated as heat was likely adequate to keep the transmitter building comfortably warm for the transmitter engineer on the coldest day. The 880W dissipated by the modern transmitter is probably also adequate because there is normally no engineer to keep warm inside the transmitter building. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francini" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: Re: WCAP Update So then, out of curiosity, for a 5kW transmitter, how much input power is needed for a typical vacuum-tube unit versus its solid-state equivalent? Would a 5kW transmitter require 10kW from the mains (thus dissipating 5kW in other ways (mainly heat))? Would a solid-state unit draw significantly less (like, say, around 6kW for the same output power? john On 2 Sep 2013, at 7:43 , Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Economics dictate that vacuum-tube-based AM transmitters remain in use, > especially at financially challenged stations like WCAP. In the short run, > a new tube and all of the sturm und drang associated with replacing the > tube will still probably cost Poulten way less than a new solid-state > transmitter would cost. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that, even with > all of the fuss over getting the tube from Florida and installing it in > the existing transmitter, the tube is costing Poulten only about 10% of > what a new 5-kW solid-state AM transmitter would cost. Over the long term, > however, the solid-state rig would probably be cheaper--especially here in > the Northeast, where power bills are high--because the power bills for the > solid-state unit would be a lot lower. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > To: "A Joseph Ross" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: WCAP Update > > >> Uh, yeah.. station transmitters still use them. >> >> It's not un heard of even in this day. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, A Joseph Ross >> wrote: >> >>> On 9/1/2013 7:08 AM, Mark Watson wrote: >>> >>> The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power >>>> while the station awaits the arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam >>>> Poulten claims that those extremely close to the transmitter site can >>>> hear >>>> them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >>>> smartphone apps. >>>> >>> >>> a,,, TUBE??? >>> >>> -- >>> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 >>> 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com >>> >>> > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Mon Sep 2 12:55:18 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:55:18 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3>, , <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com>, , , , , , <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Gary, you're absolutely right! My mistake. (Sad, really. I was there for that move.) Mike > From: gary@garysicecream.com > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: RE: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:03:42 -0400 > > In all my days at WLLH I don't ever think they were ever on Middlesex > Street. They went from Broadway to Church Street and then to the hotel. > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Wilkins > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:52 AM > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > > Just for fun, and while on the subject of transmitters and tube replacement, > I thought I'd take two quick snapshots of the Western Electric 310A manual > cover: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9655397396/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9652151007 > On page 13, it actually has (under "General Features") a line for "Tube > Cost" which states, " An approximate cost of the replacement tube complement > (my note: that's 15 tubes for the 100-watt model) $210.00" That's in 1935 > dollars. > Btw, this transmitter was at the WLLH 4 Broadway studios (as a back-up) > until WLLH moved to Middlesex Street. (The transmitter did not make the > move) > Mike > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 13:34:39 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:34:39 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations Message-ID: A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to it as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold Championship. Now, I half expect that from Djs who are new and just starting on a local station.. local names of people or towns can be hard to say right without a little practice. That being said, I've mis pronounced stuff before... My first day on the air at KNLV Ord, Nebraska.. I mis pronounced Chadron and Saint Libory... you'd think those would be easy.. nope.. not for this "douche" LOL I pronounced Chadron as Chad-ron as any moron would do. NOPE! It's Shad-run. I pronounced Saint Libory as Saint Lib-er-ee. NOPE! It's Saint Luh-bore-ee. Just a rant/laugh for the day :) Paul From map@mapinternet.com Mon Sep 2 13:22:24 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:22:24 -0400 Subject: Dial, Cumulus, Clark Howard on WTIC In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <8700EFC4352F4B7BA23910ED498BB00F@CASEYPC> Hello Dale, You said it well. Clark is on WTIC-AM 1080 M-F 7-10pm, Sat 6-9pm, when there is no Red Sox game. (Or.. listen live online M-F 1-4pm) His show would be a good fit on WBZ to replace the (paid programming) on Sat & Sun nights Another one is Kim Kommando's computer show. She explains things well for the less computer literate person to understand (read: average listener) We need more of those type of talk shows. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Cumulus Buys Dial Global At 12:10 PM 8/31/2013, Donna Halper wrote: >Most of the talkers they distribute are conservatives One notable exception is a non-political talker, Clark Howard. His consumer and financial daily talk show is informative, entertaining, and a refreshing relief to those of us who have grown tired of political talkers, left, right, or otherwise. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 14:45:35 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:45:35 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Wasn't the WLLH Lowell transmitter at the old Giant department store on Dutton St? My recollection is that WLLH caused a RF nightmare at WXPO-TV 2 blocks away and the TV station's hopes of becoming a commercial production house were ruined as they didn't have the money to fix the problem. There were several nights that we taped things in the middle of the night when WLLH was off air. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: > Gary, you're absolutely right! My mistake. (Sad, really. I was there for > that move.) Mike > > > From: gary@garysicecream.com > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > Subject: RE: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:03:42 -0400 > > > > In all my days at WLLH I don't ever think they were ever on Middlesex > > Street. They went from Broadway to Church Street and then to the hotel. > > > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > > Michael Wilkins > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:52 AM > > Cc: Boston Radio Group > > Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > > > > Just for fun, and while on the subject of transmitters and tube > replacement, > > I thought I'd take two quick snapshots of the Western Electric 310A > manual > > cover: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9655397396/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9652151007 > > On page 13, it actually has (under "General Features") a line for "Tube > > Cost" which states, " An approximate cost of the replacement tube > complement > > (my note: that's 15 tubes for the 100-watt model) $210.00" That's in > 1935 > > dollars. > > Btw, this transmitter was at the WLLH 4 Broadway studios (as a back-up) > > until WLLH moved to Middlesex Street. (The transmitter did not make the > > move) > > Mike > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Sep 2 14:46:47 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:46:47 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <7B6BE83C-7D9B-4FD6-ABB6-D1A482E304CC@mac.com> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <7B6BE83C-7D9B-4FD6-ABB6-D1A482E304CC@mac.com> Message-ID: <21028.56599.652865.658122@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So then, out of curiosity, for a 5kW transmitter, how much input > power is needed for a typical vacuum-tube unit versus its > solid-state equivalent? Would a 5kW transmitter require 10kW from > the mains (thus dissipating 5kW in other ways (mainly heat))? Would > a solid-state unit draw significantly less (like, say, around 6kW > for the same output power? If I recall correctly, the last new generation of small tube transmitters was something like 55-60% efficient (mostly, I think, because they only had one tube stage left, the modulator and power supplies having been replaced with solid-state devices). Tube finals can actually be fairly efficient -- the rules assume 80% efficiency for a plate-modulated final, based on DC power input -- but the power supply and other ancillary electronics will drag the overall efficiency down substantially. (See 47 CFR 73.51(e)-(f).) For directional stations, there's also loss in the phasor. But note that AM station power is stated for an unmodulated carrier. Once you start superimposing audio on it, the power consumption will increase. At 100% modulation, the power output is four times the carrier power, so a 5-kW station sending a pure tone at 100% modulation is actually generating 20 kW of power (and thus consuming as much as 45 kW of electricity, for an inefficient transmitter, or as little as 22 kW for a very good one). Of course, AM stations rarely broadcast pure tones for any length of time, so the average power consumption will be less than this, which is the key to various efficiency improvements that have been proposed that allow stations to reduce carrier power during periods of low modulation such as silences. Such techniques are commonly used in (what's left of) shortwave international broadcasting, and the FCC has been studying them for domestic AM broadcasting as well -- much to the delight of AM transmitter manufacturers, who have been in a bit of a slump lately, with so many of their customers being unable or unwilling to invest in new equipment without a prospect of substantial returns. -GAWollman From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 2 14:47:07 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:47:07 -0400 Subject: Dial, Cumulus, Clark Howard on WTIC In-Reply-To: <8700EFC4352F4B7BA23910ED498BB00F@CASEYPC> References: <52221586.3070904@donnahalper.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130831131543.03c76510@plymouthcolony.net> <8700EFC4352F4B7BA23910ED498BB00F@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <009e01cea80c$d3d2e210$7b78a630$@garysicecream.com> What ever happened to "Tom Martino:The Troubleshooter. WCAP used to carry his show. Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of M. Casey Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:22 PM To: Dale H. Cook; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Dial, Cumulus, Clark Howard on WTIC Hello Dale, You said it well. Clark is on WTIC-AM 1080 M-F 7-10pm, Sat 6-9pm, when there is no Red Sox game. (Or.. listen live online M-F 1-4pm) His show would be a good fit on WBZ to replace the (paid programming) on Sat & Sun nights Another one is Kim Kommando's computer show. She explains things well for the less computer literate person to understand (read: average listener) We need more of those type of talk shows. Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Cumulus Buys Dial Global At 12:10 PM 8/31/2013, Donna Halper wrote: >Most of the talkers they distribute are conservatives One notable exception is a non-political talker, Clark Howard. His consumer and financial daily talk show is informative, entertaining, and a refreshing relief to those of us who have grown tired of political talkers, left, right, or otherwise. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Sep 2 15:22:08 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 15:22:08 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5224E560.3080507@donnahalper.com> On 9/2/2013 1:34 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to it > as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold Championship. > We could start an entire thread on words that announcers have messed up! Back when I was a disc jockey, I heard people regularly refer to the singer who did "Poetry Man," Phoebe Snow (say it: FEE-bee) as FOBE (rhymes with lobe) Snow. And then there was Melanie, with her song about Woodstock-- I actually heard her referred to as "mah-LAY-nee." Oh dear. From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 2 14:49:07 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:49:07 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <009f01cea80d$1b44d4a0$51ce7de0$@garysicecream.com> Yes the transmitter was on top of the Giant Store.studios were on the 4th floor..then the offices/studios moved to Church Street and the transmitter site moved to along the Merrimack River (across the street from Top Donut) where it still is today...land leased from the City of Lowell for free (I still haven't figured who made that deal). Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com From: Kevin Vahey [mailto:kvahey@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:46 PM To: Michael Wilkins Cc: Gary's Ice Cream; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) Wasn't the WLLH Lowell transmitter at the old Giant department store on Dutton St? My recollection is that WLLH caused a RF nightmare at WXPO-TV 2 blocks away and the TV station's hopes of becoming a commercial production house were ruined as they didn't have the money to fix the problem. There were several nights that we taped things in the middle of the night when WLLH was off air. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Michael Wilkins wrote: Gary, you're absolutely right! My mistake. (Sad, really. I was there for that move.) Mike > From: gary@garysicecream.com > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: RE: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:03:42 -0400 > > In all my days at WLLH I don't ever think they were ever on Middlesex > Street. They went from Broadway to Church Street and then to the hotel. > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Wilkins > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:52 AM > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) > > Just for fun, and while on the subject of transmitters and tube replacement, > I thought I'd take two quick snapshots of the Western Electric 310A manual > cover: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9655397396/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgwilkins/9652151007 > On page 13, it actually has (under "General Features") a line for "Tube > Cost" which states, " An approximate cost of the replacement tube complement > (my note: that's 15 tubes for the 100-watt model) $210.00" That's in 1935 > dollars. > Btw, this transmitter was at the WLLH 4 Broadway studios (as a back-up) > until WLLH moved to Middlesex Street. (The transmitter did not make the > move) > Mike > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 16:36:01 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:36:01 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <4E093BA87DF74D85BED57899FAC74071@MarkOTS3> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <4E093BA87DF74D85BED57899FAC74071@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: Mark is correct. Like Cohen was an engineer-based radio guy. Nothing looked pretty, from Army surplus on down, but he knew the guts of the air chain cold. Ike worked at WHN NY as an engineer, the son of Russian immigrants, and saved every dime until he could propose, design and sign on WCAP as a 1 kW-D on June 10, 1951, introducing a second signal to Greater Lowell residents. Ike held tightly to his resources but it was clear that WCAP was his life mission to the end. Bill O' Mark Watson wrote: >Bill O'Neill wrote: > > >> This appears to be a financial crisis driving technical ones. >Under >the >> Cohen's (when I worked there) while there were >certainly austere >periods, >> the main transmitter delivered the >footprint. What program we put to >that >> carrier, well, that's >for another post! > >Finances certainly are playing a role in contributing to WCAP's recent >technical woes, but deferred maintainance and upkeep of the transmitter >and >technical plant are also to blame IMHO. I agree Bill that there were >some >periods of technical glitches at WCAP, especially after Ike Cohen >passed and >Maurice was running the place solo, but I don't recall WCAP being down >for >an extended period or as frequent as they've been recently under Sam >Poulten's watch. > >Mark Watson -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From markwats@comcast.net Mon Sep 2 16:11:54 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:11:54 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> <009f01cea80d$1b44d4a0$51ce7de0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Yes the transmitter was on top of the Giant Store.studios >were on the 4th > floor. The WLLH studios were actually on the second floor of the Giant Store building. The Lowell transmitter stared the on-air host in the face as it was just the other side of the glass from the main studio. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Sep 2 16:15:59 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:15:59 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <7a5daf6b-7270-4ee1-af10-b848680bbb43@email.android.com> Message-ID: <2A0BBFB91C96446C9BF577E594E1C9F4@MarkOTS3> Bill O'Neill wrote: > Is the tube for the main 5kW transmitter or the back up >1kW they have > been operating in recent past? I don't know. > The Bauer 1kW made the trip to the current Totman Road >site from the > former site in Dracut Center in 1951 if that >gives you any idea of its > age. Wasn't the Bauer the transmitter Ike & Maurice Cohen bought off the floor at an NAB show in the early 70's? I thought I heard the original transmitter they signed on with in 1951 was a Raytheon. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Sep 2 16:27:42 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:27:42 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4E093BA87DF74D85BED57899FAC74071@MarkOTS3> Bill O'Neill wrote: > This appears to be a financial crisis driving technical ones. >Under the > Cohen's (when I worked there) while there were >certainly austere periods, > the main transmitter delivered the >footprint. What program we put to that > carrier, well, that's >for another post! Finances certainly are playing a role in contributing to WCAP's recent technical woes, but deferred maintainance and upkeep of the transmitter and technical plant are also to blame IMHO. I agree Bill that there were some periods of technical glitches at WCAP, especially after Ike Cohen passed and Maurice was running the place solo, but I don't recall WCAP being down for an extended period or as frequent as they've been recently under Sam Poulten's watch. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Mon Sep 2 16:38:09 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:38:09 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update References: <20130902201022.80210@gmx.com> Message-ID: Laurence Glavin wrote: >Are they still using the slogan "Everybody gets it"? Yes they are. I thought that Sam Poulten would have scrapped the slogan after buying out Clark Smidt. IIRC Clark was the one who came up with the slogan. And despite what the Lowell Sun reports, WCAP is no longer on the air at very low power (if they ever were at all) as I confirmed earlier this afternoon driving by the Totman Road TX site. Gary Francis told me he drove by the TX site during the weekend (Saturday afternoon or evening I believe) and also heard no low power programming. WCAP is still streaming as of a few minutes ago. Mark Watson From tlmedia@triad.rr.com Mon Sep 2 16:34:45 2013 From: tlmedia@triad.rr.com (Ted Larsen) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:34:45 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations References: <5224E560.3080507@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <09C8FFF842CC4E4690360E4353A4DD97@YOURbcbbe822ed> And speaking of a very bad use of DOUCHE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElkXLpXHSAY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Halper" To: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Pronounciations > On 9/2/2013 1:34 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >> A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to >> it >> as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold Championship. >> > > We could start an entire thread on words that announcers have messed up! > Back when I was a disc jockey, I heard people regularly refer to the > singer who did "Poetry Man," Phoebe Snow (say it: FEE-bee) as FOBE (rhymes > with lobe) Snow. And then there was Melanie, with her song about > Woodstock-- I actually heard her referred to as "mah-LAY-nee." Oh dear. > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 15:46:22 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 15:46:22 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about even some locals who've trashed the pronunciation of some Merrimack Valley towns. Tewksbury: tooks'-bree or bury (where the tooks was spoken like took with an s) It's often mangled with tooks to sound like a the Canadian winter cap. Chelmsford. It's common knowledge that it's pronounced with or without the L, and can handle an added P to yield, Chemps'-fid. Or Chemz'-fid. Or Chelmz'-fid (The latter if you own a pool. Or poodle. Or both.) Billerica. burr-ik'-a. Or brik'-a. Or even bil-rik'-a. Never 4 syllables. Unless it's time to call a cab. Lowell. Lole. Period. One syllable. If you have to add a syllable, make sure the jingle singers punch them both evenly. Tyngsboro / Tyngsborough. They can't even agree on spelling let alone how to say it. Before the McMansions hit town (and neighboring Dunstable or Groton) it really didn't matter anyway. Most agree it's two syllables and tingz'-bro. Westford. There is no ford in it. It's west'-fid. I'm sure inside every mahbl-HEAD' there are more. Bill O'Neill "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: >A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to >it >as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold Championship. > >Now, I half expect that from Djs who are new and just starting on a >local >station.. local names of people or towns can be hard to say right >without a >little practice. > >That being said, I've mis pronounced stuff before... My first day on >the >air at KNLV Ord, Nebraska.. I mis pronounced Chadron and Saint >Libory... >you'd think those would be easy.. nope.. not for this "douche" LOL > >I pronounced Chadron as Chad-ron as any moron would do. NOPE! It's >Shad-run. > >I pronounced Saint Libory as Saint Lib-er-ee. NOPE! It's Saint >Luh-bore-ee. > >Just a rant/laugh for the day :) > >Paul -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Sep 2 17:55:03 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:55:03 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <2A0BBFB91C96446C9BF577E594E1C9F4@MarkOTS3> References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <7a5daf6b-7270-4ee1-af10-b848680bbb43@email.android.com> <2A0BBFB91C96446C9BF577E594E1C9F4@MarkOTS3> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130902175051.03d61e18@plymouthcolony.net> At 04:15 PM 9/2/2013, Mark Watson wrote: >Wasn't the Bauer the transmitter Ike & Maurice Cohen bought off the floor at an NAB show in the early 70's? I thought I heard the original transmitter they signed on with in 1951 was a Raytheon. In 1951 it was likely a Raytheon. Fritz Bauer didn't built the first Bauer transmitter until 1955. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 2 18:09:48 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:09:48 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> Or how about Place-tough.......... Or the famous Gold Bold commercial (still running) that talks about a letter from a customer in Hav-HER-hill, Massachusetts. Pretty sad considering that Gold Bond's home offices are IN Massachusetts. Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:46 PM To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Pronounciations How about even some locals who've trashed the pronunciation of some Merrimack Valley towns. Tewksbury: tooks'-bree or bury (where the tooks was spoken like took with an s) It's often mangled with tooks to sound like a the Canadian winter cap. Chelmsford. It's common knowledge that it's pronounced with or without the L, and can handle an added P to yield, Chemps'-fid. Or Chemz'-fid. Or Chelmz'-fid (The latter if you own a pool. Or poodle. Or both.) Billerica. burr-ik'-a. Or brik'-a. Or even bil-rik'-a. Never 4 syllables. Unless it's time to call a cab. Lowell. Lole. Period. One syllable. If you have to add a syllable, make sure the jingle singers punch them both evenly. Tyngsboro / Tyngsborough. They can't even agree on spelling let alone how to say it. Before the McMansions hit town (and neighboring Dunstable or Groton) it really didn't matter anyway. Most agree it's two syllables and tingz'-bro. Westford. There is no ford in it. It's west'-fid. I'm sure inside every mahbl-HEAD' there are more. Bill O'Neill "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: >A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to >it as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold >Championship. > >Now, I half expect that from Djs who are new and just starting on a >local station.. local names of people or towns can be hard to say right >without a little practice. > >That being said, I've mis pronounced stuff before... My first day on >the air at KNLV Ord, Nebraska.. I mis pronounced Chadron and Saint >Libory... >you'd think those would be easy.. nope.. not for this "douche" LOL > >I pronounced Chadron as Chad-ron as any moron would do. NOPE! It's >Shad-run. > >I pronounced Saint Libory as Saint Lib-er-ee. NOPE! It's Saint >Luh-bore-ee. > >Just a rant/laugh for the day :) > >Paul -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From gary@garysicecream.com Mon Sep 2 18:14:44 2013 From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:14:44 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: References: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <00db01cea829$d4cfb270$7e6f1750$@garysicecream.com> Better than the way Pat Bronstein (owner of WOTW back in the 70's) used to pronounce it on the air..."Nash-way". Helen Lagious (sp) from "Helen's Polka Party" pronounced it the same way on air for years..."Oh Helen, Helen, you are such a lovely miss...." (her theme song)... Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 6:12 PM To: Gary's Ice Cream Cc: Bill O'Neill; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Pronounciations Or how about this one from Bostonradio.org .. an audio clip of "900 WMVU Nashwah" http://audio.bostonradio.org/bd4bf17e-b439-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg Paul On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: Or how about Place-tough.......... Or the famous Gold Bold commercial (still running) that talks about a letter from a customer in Hav-HER-hill, Massachusetts. Pretty sad considering that Gold Bond's home offices are IN Massachusetts. Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:46 PM To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Pronounciations How about even some locals who've trashed the pronunciation of some Merrimack Valley towns. Tewksbury: tooks'-bree or bury (where the tooks was spoken like took with an s) It's often mangled with tooks to sound like a the Canadian winter cap. Chelmsford. It's common knowledge that it's pronounced with or without the L, and can handle an added P to yield, Chemps'-fid. Or Chemz'-fid. Or Chelmz'-fid (The latter if you own a pool. Or poodle. Or both.) Billerica. burr-ik'-a. Or brik'-a. Or even bil-rik'-a. Never 4 syllables. Unless it's time to call a cab. Lowell. Lole. Period. One syllable. If you have to add a syllable, make sure the jingle singers punch them both evenly. Tyngsboro / Tyngsborough. They can't even agree on spelling let alone how to say it. Before the McMansions hit town (and neighboring Dunstable or Groton) it really didn't matter anyway. Most agree it's two syllables and tingz'-bro. Westford. There is no ford in it. It's west'-fid. I'm sure inside every mahbl-HEAD' there are more. Bill O'Neill "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: >A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to >it as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold >Championship. > >Now, I half expect that from Djs who are new and just starting on a >local station.. local names of people or towns can be hard to say right >without a little practice. > >That being said, I've mis pronounced stuff before... My first day on >the air at KNLV Ord, Nebraska.. I mis pronounced Chadron and Saint >Libory... >you'd think those would be easy.. nope.. not for this "douche" LOL > >I pronounced Chadron as Chad-ron as any moron would do. NOPE! It's >Shad-run. > >I pronounced Saint Libory as Saint Lib-er-ee. NOPE! It's Saint >Luh-bore-ee. > >Just a rant/laugh for the day :) > >Paul -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:11:56 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:11:56 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> References: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Or how about this one from Bostonradio.org .. an audio clip of "900 WMVU Nashwah" http://audio.bostonradio.org/bd4bf17e-b439-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg Paul On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Or how about Place-tough.......... > > Or the famous Gold Bold commercial (still running) that talks about a > letter from a customer in Hav-HER-hill, Massachusetts. Pretty sad > considering that Gold Bond's home offices are IN Massachusetts. > > Gary's Ice Cream, Chelmsford, MA > www.garysicecream.com www.icecreamcollege.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill > O'Neill > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:46 PM > To: Paul B. Walker, Jr.; Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Pronounciations > > How about even some locals who've trashed the pronunciation of some > Merrimack Valley towns. > > Tewksbury: tooks'-bree or bury (where the tooks was spoken like took with > an s) It's often mangled with tooks to sound like a the Canadian winter cap. > > Chelmsford. It's common knowledge that it's pronounced with or without the > L, and can handle an added P to yield, Chemps'-fid. Or Chemz'-fid. Or > Chelmz'-fid (The latter if you own a pool. Or poodle. Or both.) > > Billerica. burr-ik'-a. Or brik'-a. Or even bil-rik'-a. Never 4 syllables. > Unless it's time to call a cab. > > Lowell. Lole. Period. One syllable. If you have to add a syllable, make > sure the jingle singers punch them both evenly. > > Tyngsboro / Tyngsborough. They can't even agree on spelling let alone how > to say it. Before the McMansions hit town (and neighboring Dunstable or > Groton) it really didn't matter anyway. Most agree it's two syllables and > tingz'-bro. > > Westford. There is no ford in it. It's west'-fid. > > I'm sure inside every mahbl-HEAD' there are more. > > Bill O'Neill > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > >A friend and i were listening to a radio station online and referred to > >it as the "Douche Bank" instead of "Deutsche Bank" 2013 Gold > >Championship. > > > >Now, I half expect that from Djs who are new and just starting on a > >local station.. local names of people or towns can be hard to say right > >without a little practice. > > > >That being said, I've mis pronounced stuff before... My first day on > >the air at KNLV Ord, Nebraska.. I mis pronounced Chadron and Saint > >Libory... > >you'd think those would be easy.. nope.. not for this "douche" LOL > > > >I pronounced Chadron as Chad-ron as any moron would do. NOPE! It's > >Shad-run. > > > >I pronounced Saint Libory as Saint Lib-er-ee. NOPE! It's Saint > >Luh-bore-ee. > > > >Just a rant/laugh for the day :) > > > >Paul > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 20:47:32 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:47:32 -0400 Subject: transmitters (was: WCAP Update) In-Reply-To: References: <4E09D233E9284E43BB7D07C41B93D8F7@MarkOTS3> <52241806.60401@attorneyross.com> <007501cea7f5$ff93b760$febb2620$@garysicecream.com> <009f01cea80d$1b44d4a0$51ce7de0$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: Mark Watson wrote: The Lowell transmitter stared the on-air host in the face as >it >was just the other side of the glass from the main studio. > >Mark Watson There was a small CCTV monitor in air studio showing the parking lot where the station parked. It was once said that the monitor "was sometimes more exciting than an episode of Barletta." Tough neighborhood. I went across town to WLLH briefly during its Modern Country format. That opened the door to some work at WSSH as it exited 4 B'Way (a broom closet) and marked its solo move to Cummings Park in Woburn. Bill O'Neill -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Sep 2 21:11:45 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:11:45 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> References: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> Message-ID: <52253751.6060404@donnahalper.com> On 9/2/2013 6:09 PM, Gary's Ice Cream wrote: > Or how about Place-tough.......... > > Or the famous Gold Bold commercial (still running) that talks about a letter from a customer in Hav-HER-hill, Massachusetts. > And when the stations hire new production people, you can always tell, because they mess up Worcester and Gloucester... From billohno@gmail.com Mon Sep 2 16:20:53 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:20:53 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update In-Reply-To: <20130902200351.80180@gmx.com> References: <20130902200351.80180@gmx.com> Message-ID: <556a34da-b0cb-48e9-bb82-934805a35a12@email.android.com> Loon Hill is actually not far from Rt 113 in the Dracut Center section of town not too far from Lowell's Christian Hill section of Centralville and the Dracut Post Office. (Dracut's populous center is Lakeview Avenue in the Collinsville section of town). The former radiator for WCAP is used by cable TV and others for relay, two-way, etc. Bill O'Neill Laurence Glavin wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Bill O'Neill >>Sent: 09/02/13 07:34 AM >>To: Paul B. Walker, Jr., A Joseph Ross >>Subject: Re: WCAP Update > >>Is the tube for the main 5kW transmitter or the back up 1kW they have >been operating in recent past? >The Bauer 1kW made the trip to the >current Totman Road site from the former site in Dracut Center in >951 >if that gives you any idea of its age. .................The longtime >home of the original WCAP 1K tower was well northeast of "Downtown" >Dracut, on the Lowell-Lawrence Boulevard a mile or so shy of the >Methuen Town Line (in the time period WCAP was on Loon Hill Road, >Dracut, Methuen was still a town; it was and is the ONLY Methuen in the >world). -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Sep 3 02:05:01 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:05:01 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations In-Reply-To: <52253751.6060404@donnahalper.com> References: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> <52253751.6060404@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <52257C0D.9060806@attorneyross.com> On 9/2/2013 9:11 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > And when the stations hire new production people, you can always tell, > because they mess up Worcester and Gloucester... And Haverhill. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Sep 3 02:07:13 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:07:13 -0400 Subject: WJIB's night signal Message-ID: <52257C91.2040701@attorneyross.com> For the last couple of nights, I haven't been able to get WJIB's night signal. It usually comes in quite well here in Brookline, but last night, I heard nothing and tonight I heard something so faint, I'm assuming it was Toronto. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Sep 3 04:22:18 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJIB's night signal In-Reply-To: <52257C91.2040701@attorneyross.com> References: <52257C91.2040701@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1378196538.14435.YahooMailNeo@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A. Joseph Ross writes: "For the last couple of nights, I haven't been able to get WJIB's night signal.? It usually comes in quite well here in Brookline, but last night, I heard nothing and tonight I heard something so faint, I'm assuming it was Toronto." According to posts on the radiodiscussions board, WJIB was off the air Sunday night and into Monday. Dan Strassberg wrote that it sounded like the carrier was on. From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Sep 3 07:01:21 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:01:21 -0400 Subject: WJIB's night signal References: <52257C91.2040701@attorneyross.com> <1378196538.14435.YahooMailNeo@web142703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, I wrote that it sounded as if the carrier MIGHT HAVE been on but I couldn't really tell. Anyhow, as of last night (sorry, I don't know the time), WJIB appears to be back at what sounds like its normal day and night power. I have heard nothing about the outage from Bob Bittner or any other in-the-know person, so the following is 100% conjecture on my part: My guess at the cause of the outage was a hard-drive failure. Bob has two 250W transmitters at WJIB. Each of them is capable of more than 250W and one of them can also be operated at WJIB's very low night power. So WJIB being taken down by a transmitter failure, though not impossible, is unlikely. He also has multiple hard drives at both WJIB and WJTO. However, he never mentioned whether the drives have the ability to switch automatically among each other if audio disappears for more than a few seconds. So a hard disk failure might require manual intervention. We need the official word on this from Bob himself. Oh, BTW, yesterday afternoon while WJIB was off, I (barely) picked up WJTO on 730 on my CC Radio Plus at my home in Arlington Heights. Not what I would call a strong signal, but I could tell what music was playing (no, sorry, I don't remember the titles of the selections), but I guess you could call it DX quality. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "A Joseph Ross" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:22 AM Subject: Re: WJIB's night signal > A. Joseph Ross writes: "For the last couple of nights, I haven't been able > to get WJIB's night signal. It usually comes in quite well here in > Brookline, but last night, I heard nothing and tonight I heard something > so faint, I'm assuming it was Toronto." > > According to posts on the radiodiscussions board, WJIB was off the air > Sunday night and into Monday. Dan Strassberg wrote that it sounded like > the carrier was on. > > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 10:47:14 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:47:14 -0400 Subject: video: WLLH / WSSH Broadway studios (1986) Message-ID: Again, just because there was discussion about the old WLLH / WSSH studios, I offer up the following video, shot by one Michael Colby shortly before WSSH moved down to Cummings Park in Woburn. (fwiw, I asked Mike if he minded me pointing the list to it, and he said, "It's there for posterity - whatever that means. By all means share and enjoy!") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwaExfKigk From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 11:39:31 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:39:31 -0400 Subject: video: WLLH / WSSH Broadway studios (1986) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To this day, I can never - ever - post something to this list without some kind of screwy coding error. My apologies. Mike > > From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com > > Again, just because there was discussion about the old WLLH / WSSH studios, I offer up the following video, > shot by one Michael Colby shortly before WSSH moved down to Cummings Park in Woburn. (fwiw, I asked >Mike if he minded me pointing the list to it, and he said, "It's there for posterity - whatever that means. By > all means share and enjoy!") > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwaExfKigk > From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 16:53:26 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:53:26 -0400 Subject: WJIB night signal Message-ID: <7405C6A6391A44A3BB9175A0619F4870@chrisHP> WJIB actually has three transmitters, two Nautel 400 watt units and an LPB 5 or ten watt. Unfortunately other than the one Nautel transmitter that is currently on the air and used for both day and night service the other two must be manually connected if needed and cannot be switched over by remote control From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 17:05:33 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:05:33 -0400 Subject: Video: WLLH/WSSH Broadway Studios (1986) Message-ID: What a great trip down memory lane, I worked with (at various stations) or was friends (with many still am) with most of the people in this video, everyone looks so young.....could that much time have possibly gone by? From markwats@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 18:21:31 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:21:31 -0400 Subject: Pronounciations References: <00d501cea829$2455a080$6d00e180$@garysicecream.com> <52253751.6060404@donnahalper.com> <52257C0D.9060806@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <78953F07FFD1432F82A28DB0A7698897@MarkOTS3> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > And Haverhill. I'll add Leominster to the list. Still recall as a young one watching the Saturday morning wrestling on either Channel 56 or 9, they used to do voiceovers and/or taped segments in between bouts to promote live wrestling shows coming to various arenas and venues. One such match came to Leo (pronounced like the man's name)- Minster. Mark Watson From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Sep 3 18:03:29 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WJIB night signal Message-ID: <1ab7f.52ca41f1.3f57b6b1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/3/2013 5:30:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chris2526@comcast.net writes: WJIB actually has three transmitters, two Nautel 400 watt units and an LPB 5 or ten watt. Unfortunately other than the one Nautel transmitter that is currently on the air and used for both day and night service the other two must be manually connected if needed and cannot be switched over by remote control Not entirely true.... The two Nautels can both go down to 5 watts on remote control, although one of them is older and it's 'recommended' lowest power is 10 watts. BTW, the off-air period in mid-last week (Aug 27th) for 90 minutes during the day was caused by the electric company killing power to the whole area while they did some work on underground lines. WJIB does not have a back-up generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation of a generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards. The silent period this past Sunday night in to Monday morning was caused by a short power outage (storms) which took down the on-air computer, which IS on a UPS-thing. Wasn't til 2:07 PM Monday that one of my guys there could make it in to re-boot computer manually and get it back on the air. Sometime soon, I will have the ability to do such from Maine. For those folks who were trying to determine if the carrier was on during the last period... most of the time, it was off. I took it off by remote control (so people could enjoy CFZM-Toronto.) ---jibguy From markwats@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 18:17:22 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:17:22 -0400 Subject: WCAP Back On The Air Message-ID: WCAP returned to the air sometime between 4;30 & 5:45PM this afternoon. Can't determine if they're putting out the full 5KW. Be curious if any of the list folks down towards Boston and Methuen way can chime in and tell us how well WCAP reception is in your neighborhood. Mark Watson From billohno@gmail.com Tue Sep 3 19:08:43 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:08:43 -0400 Subject: WCAP Back On The Air In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d30f07e-41bb-4d9c-be4f-d71af4a5da17@email.android.com> Good news. Glad they kept on going with the feed. Here in the Champlain Valley I get my occasional dose of WCAP via TuneIn. Mark Watson wrote: >WCAP returned to the air sometime between 4;30 & 5:45PM this afternoon. >Can't determine if they're putting out the full 5KW. >Be curious if any of the list folks down towards Boston and Methuen way >can chime in and tell us how well WCAP reception is in your >neighborhood. > >Mark Watson -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Sep 2 16:03:50 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update Message-ID: <20130902200351.80180@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill O'Neill >Sent: 09/02/13 07:34 AM >To: Paul B. Walker, Jr., A Joseph Ross >Subject: Re: WCAP Update >Is the tube for the main 5kW transmitter or the back up 1kW they have been operating in recent past? >The Bauer 1kW made the trip to the current Totman Road site from the former site in Dracut Center in >951 if that gives you any idea of its age. .................The longtime home of the original WCAP 1K tower was well northeast of "Downtown" Dracut, on the Lowell-Lawrence Boulevard a mile or so shy of the Methuen Town Line (in the time period WCAP was on Loon Hill Road, Dracut, Methuen was still a town; it was and is the ONLY Methuen in the world). From lglavin@mail.com Mon Sep 2 16:10:22 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:10:22 -0400 Subject: WCAP Update Message-ID: <20130902201022.80210@gmx.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Watson >Sent: 09/01/13 07:08 AM >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: WCAP Update >The Lowell Sun reports that WCAP is still on the air at very low power while the station awaits the >arrival of a tube from Florida. Owner Sam Poulten claims that those extremely close to the >transmitter site can hear them over the air. They are still streaming on the WCAP website and >smartphone apps. >Link to Lowell Sun article: >http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_23992422/wcaps-signal-suffering >I should note that I live about 2 to 2.5 miles from WCAP's transmitter site, and I can't receive them >over the air here. >Mark Watson.............Are they still using the slogan "Everybody gets it"? (Vis a vis WCAP online, nearly everybody DOES get it) From danmurph@rcn.com Mon Sep 2 21:01:28 2013 From: danmurph@rcn.com (Dan Murphy) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:01:28 -0700 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports Message-ID: I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which is relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right now I can recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter days: Joe Green and Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm setup; NEVER understood a single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters first used by Boston news media to report traffic or other breaking stories, and who were some of the other pilots? From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 20:24:41 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:24:41 -0400 Subject: WCAP update Message-ID: At about 6:30 PM I was in the car in Salem, NH and they were at first on super low power 250 watts or lower could barley hear what I thought to be something else. I was surprised to hear a faint WCAP ID after which they went into the ABC-TV network news. About 15 minutes later they seemed to be at 1000 watts on the Bauer again. It seems the tube was not for the Harris MW-5B, I was around there enough to be able to distinguish between the Bauer audio and that of a modern PDM transmitter. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 3 20:31:20 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:31:20 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some names I remember Kevin O'Keefe WBZ Officer Bill Connell WHDH and other outlets Peter Mehegan WNAC Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while on duty in 1986 at KMPC. In 1977 WEEI's Chip Whitmore was killed in their copter. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Dan Murphy wrote: > I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which is > relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right now I can > recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter days: Joe Green and > Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm setup; NEVER understood a > single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the > WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters first used by Boston news media to > report traffic or other breaking stories, and who were some of the other > pilots? > > > From billohno@gmail.com Tue Sep 3 20:32:50 2013 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 20:32:50 -0400 Subject: WCAP update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2208ee16-8408-49a0-b87a-5e50d24bff52@email.android.com> Chris Hall wrote: >they seemed to be at 1000 watts on the Bauer again. It seems the tube >was not for the Harris MW-5B, I was around there enough to be able to >distinguish between >the Bauer audio and that of a modern PDM transmitter. They still go to N pattern even with 1 kW right? (I assumed so since the N protection to the N&W is extensive experience at sunset.) Curious what the distinguishing factors you noted between the different XMTRs. And I know you spent many a day (month) working in that radio shack! Bill O'Neill -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Sep 3 20:57:29 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 20:57:29 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52268579.5090904@donnahalper.com> On 9/3/2013 8:31 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while > on duty in 1986 at KMPC. > Yes, as far as I've been able to determine, Kevin is correct: Bruce Talford was first in Boston, circa 1960, in the WHDH Skyway Patrol Helicopter. Nationally, I've traced it back to around 1958, when KABC had a traffic copter with Donn Reed and Max Schumacher. From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Sep 3 22:18:31 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:18:31 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: IIRC, Kevin O'Keefe (real name Art McTag (sp?)) was with WHDH to be succeeded by Officer Bill Connell upon retirement. Joe Green in his "Flying Machine" reported for WBZ. Green got his start as O'Keefe's pilot. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Some names I remember > > Kevin O'Keefe WBZ > Officer Bill Connell WHDH and other outlets > Peter Mehegan WNAC > > Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while > on duty in 1986 at KMPC. > > In 1977 WEEI's Chip Whitmore was killed in their copter. > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Dan Murphy wrote: > > > I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which is > > relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right now I > can > > recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter days: Joe Green > and > > Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm setup; NEVER understood > a > > single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the > > WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters first used by Boston news media to > > report traffic or other breaking stories, and who were some of the other > > pilots? > > > > > > > From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Sep 3 21:27:25 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1378258045.99451.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dan Murphy writes: "I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which is relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right now I can recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter days: Joe Green and Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm setup; NEVER understood a single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters first used by Boston news media to report traffic or other breaking stories, and who were some of the other pilots?" Kevin mentioned the important names, and I'd say Kevin O'Keefe was the most notable one. WBZ(AM) still uses the copter in AM (and I think PM) drive, but it always seems to be grounded when raining, foggy -- is that for safety, or practical, reasons? From brscomm@yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 21:55:22 2013 From: brscomm@yahoo.com (Bill Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:55:22 -0500 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01a801cea911$d222d780$76688680$@yahoo.com> Can't forget Wicked high Eli, Eli Sherer or Malcolm Alter or Grant Moulaison (not sure on the spelling.) Bill Smith (Not the radio one) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:31 PM To: Dan Murphy Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: Helicopter Traffic Reports Some names I remember Kevin O'Keefe WBZ Officer Bill Connell WHDH and other outlets Peter Mehegan WNAC Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while on duty in 1986 at KMPC. In 1977 WEEI's Chip Whitmore was killed in their copter. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Dan Murphy wrote: > I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which > is relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right > now I can recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter > days: Joe Green and Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm > setup; NEVER understood a single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on > WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters > first used by Boston news media to report traffic or other breaking > stories, and who were some of the other pilots? > > > From chris2526@comcast.net Tue Sep 3 22:53:25 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:53:25 -0400 Subject: Helicopter traffic reports Message-ID: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> Back in the 70?s I was a big WEEI listener and was listening in bed when the WEEI traffic helicopter crashed into an apartment building in Quincy. WJIB ?s Chip Whitmore was filling in for someone when it happened. Working for WWEL at the time though WJIB was our main competitor, the staff at both stations were friends and many announcers at WJIB came from WWEL. Needless to say we were all devastated. From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 3 23:08:49 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:08:49 -0400 Subject: Helicopter traffic reports In-Reply-To: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> References: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> Message-ID: I got to know Chip as he like many would hang out in the Steve Fredericks studio and then go to Ken's. Kevin O'Keefe was on vacation and Chip filled in. Rex Trailer was supposed to be the pilot but there was a last minute change. I 'believe' Rex owned the copter in question. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Chris Hall wrote: > Back in the 70?s I was a big WEEI listener and was listening in bed when > the WEEI traffic helicopter crashed into an apartment building > in Quincy. WJIB ?s Chip Whitmore was filling in for someone when it > happened. Working for WWEL at the time though WJIB was our > main competitor, the staff at both stations were friends and many > announcers at WJIB came from WWEL. Needless to say we were all devastated. > From wilkinsmg@hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 22:55:18 2013 From: wilkinsmg@hotmail.com (Michael Wilkins) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:55:18 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: <01a801cea911$d222d780$76688680$@yahoo.com> References: , , <01a801cea911$d222d780$76688680$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: didn't Bill Heckbert do some time up in one of the birds? Mike > From: brscomm@yahoo.com > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: RE: Helicopter Traffic Reports > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:55:22 -0500 > > Can't forget Wicked high Eli, Eli Sherer or Malcolm Alter or Grant Moulaison > (not sure on the spelling.) > > Bill Smith > (Not the radio one) > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:31 PM > To: Dan Murphy > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Helicopter Traffic Reports > > Some names I remember > > Kevin O'Keefe WBZ > Officer Bill Connell WHDH and other outlets Peter Mehegan WNAC > > Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while > on duty in 1986 at KMPC. > > In 1977 WEEI's Chip Whitmore was killed in their copter. > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Dan Murphy wrote: > > > I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which > > is relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right > > now I can recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter > > days: Joe Green and Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm > > setup; NEVER understood a single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on > > WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters > > first used by Boston news media to report traffic or other breaking > > stories, and who were some of the other pilots? > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 4 00:27:12 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 00:27:12 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: <01a801cea911$d222d780$76688680$@yahoo.com> References: <01a801cea911$d222d780$76688680$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I could be dead wrong on this and if somebody from the old WHDH has the facts please correct me. I think that WHDH entered into an agreement with the old MDC Police (that later merged with the Mass State Police) that WHDH would provide a chopper for the police in return to having the officer report the traffic. When Officer Bill retired Grant took over. Officer Bill in retirement then was hired by either WVBF or WROR. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Bill Smith wrote: > Can't forget Wicked high Eli, Eli Sherer or Malcolm Alter or Grant > Moulaison > (not sure on the spelling.) > > Bill Smith > (Not the radio one) > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:31 PM > To: Dan Murphy > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Subject: Re: Helicopter Traffic Reports > > Some names I remember > > Kevin O'Keefe WBZ > Officer Bill Connell WHDH and other outlets Peter Mehegan WNAC > > Bruce Talford was the first at WHDH and he moved to LA and was killed while > on duty in 1986 at KMPC. > > In 1977 WEEI's Chip Whitmore was killed in their copter. > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Dan Murphy wrote: > > > I recently heard a traffic report broadcast from a helicopter, which > > is relatively rare these days with traffic cameras everywhere. Right > > now I can recall only three names from earlier traffic helicopter > > days: Joe Green and Joe Morgan on WBZ (Green had a terrible mic/comm > > setup; NEVER understood a single word he said), and Chris Culkeen on > > WFNX, WZLX, and 98.5 in the WROR/WBMX years. When were helicopters > > first used by Boston news media to report traffic or other breaking > > stories, and who were some of the other pilots? > > > > > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Sep 3 23:55:39 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 23:55:39 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5226AF3B.80800@donnahalper.com> On 9/3/2013 10:18 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > IIRC, Kevin O'Keefe (real name Art McTag (sp?)) was with WHDH to be > succeeded by > Officer Bill Connell upon retirement. > The crash in Quincy took place in late December 1977; in addition to the two deaths (Chip and his pilot), four were injured. As for Kevin O'Keefe, I believe his real name was Arthur McTague. From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 4 01:20:19 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 01:20:19 -0400 Subject: WJIB night signal In-Reply-To: <1ab7f.52ca41f1.3f57b6b1@aol.com> References: <1ab7f.52ca41f1.3f57b6b1@aol.com> Message-ID: <5226C313.6050901@attorneyross.com> On 9/3/2013 6:03 PM, Jibguy@aol.com wrote: > BTW, the off-air period in mid-last week (Aug 27th) for 90 minutes during > the day was caused by the electric company killing power to the whole area > while they did some work on underground lines. WJIB does not have a back-up > generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 > state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation of a > generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards. > > The silent period this past Sunday night in to Monday morning was caused by > a short power outage (storms) which took down the on-air computer, which > IS on a UPS-thing. Wasn't til 2:07 PM Monday that one of my guys there > could make it in to re-boot computer manually and get it back on the air. > Sometime soon, I will have the ability to do such from Maine. But signal strength tonight is still down from where it usually is. At first I thought I was hearing Toronto, but I heard the WJIB ID at the top of the hour. I usually get a really good signal at night in Brookline. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 4 02:25:33 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:25:33 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5226D25D.7070903@attorneyross.com> On 9/3/2013 10:18 PM, Ron Bello wrote: > IIRC, Kevin O'Keefe (real name Art McTag (sp?)) was with WHDH According to the Daily Record columnist Bill Buchanan at the time, Arthur McTigue was Kevin O'Keefe and was also Dan Donovan (I think lots of people were Dan Donovan at some time or other) on WMEX. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 4 02:26:40 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:26:40 -0400 Subject: Helicopter traffic reports In-Reply-To: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> References: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> Message-ID: <5226D2A0.5080401@attorneyross.com> On 9/3/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Hall wrote: > Back in the 70?s I was a big WEEI listener and was listening in bed when the WEEI traffic helicopter crashed into an apartment building > in Quincy. WJIB ?s Chip Whitmore was filling in for someone when it happened. Working for WWEL at the time though WJIB was our > main competitor, the staff at both stations were friends and many announcers at WJIB came from WWEL. Needless to say we were all devastated. WJIB (FM) had a traffic helicopter? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 4 04:15:30 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 04:15:30 -0400 Subject: Helicopter traffic reports In-Reply-To: <5226D2A0.5080401@attorneyross.com> References: <84A6C74ECEC14EC28313B021EEB074A2@chrisHP> <5226D2A0.5080401@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Joe No WJIB did not have a chopper but Chip was best known for his 96.9 days. I loved Joe Green - I remember one report like it was yesterday when he said ' I am over the Hampton tolls - good luck to those of you heading south'. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:26 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9/3/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Hall wrote: > > Back in the 70?s I was a big WEEI listener and was listening in bed when >> the WEEI traffic helicopter crashed into an apartment building >> in Quincy. WJIB ?s Chip Whitmore was filling in for someone when it >> happened. Working for WWEL at the time though WJIB was our >> main competitor, the staff at both stations were friends and many >> announcers at WJIB came from WWEL. Needless to say we were all devastated. >> > > WJIB (FM) had a traffic helicopter? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Sep 4 08:30:17 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:30:17 -0400 Subject: WJIB night signal References: <1ab7f.52ca41f1.3f57b6b1@aol.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:03 PM Subject: Re: WJIB night signal > WJIB does not have a back-up > generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 > state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation > of a generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards. > > ---jibguy Well, if WJIB were not a business (my understanding is that it IS technically a business notwithstanding that it is non-profit and listener supported), Bob could probably put in a generator without consulting the EPA. The latest Consumer Reports has a lengthy (for CU) report on backup generators for homeowners, and though I didn't read every word, I did not notice anything about getting approvals from federal authorities. However, I'm pretty sure that a permit from the City of Cambridge (building inspector), would be required. And, before the generator could be switched on, the building inspector (and maybe the electric company and the gas company) would have to visit the property and inspect the installation. BTW, if natural gas is available on the property at 443 Concord Ave, there appear to be some nice gas-powered generators. Some of them are even portable (that is, you can roll them around IF you don't have to roll them uphill--many of the generators weigh over 400#). From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Sep 4 09:07:11 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:07:11 -0400 Subject: WJIB night signal In-Reply-To: References: <1ab7f.52ca41f1.3f57b6b1@aol.com> Message-ID: Dan, You do know "jibguy" is Bob, right? You refer to him in your reply like "jibguy" is someone else.. lol. It seems like power has been pretty stable at WJIB, so thats why a generator/UPS hasn;t been bought. BOb is very frugal and spends money wisely.. if one was needed and he could get it, he would. Paul On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; BostonRadio.org > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: WJIB night signal > > WJIB does not have a back-up >> generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 >> state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation >> of a generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards. >> >> ---jibguy >> > > Well, if WJIB were not a business (my understanding is that it IS > technically a business notwithstanding that it is non-profit and listener > supported), Bob could probably put in a generator without consulting the > EPA. The latest Consumer Reports has a lengthy (for CU) report on backup > generators for homeowners, and though I didn't read every word, I did not > notice anything about getting approvals from federal authorities. However, > I'm pretty sure that a permit from the City of Cambridge (building > inspector), would be required. And, before the generator could be switched > on, the building inspector (and maybe the electric company and the gas > company) would have to visit the property and inspect the installation. > BTW, > if natural gas is available on the property at 443 Concord Ave, there > appear > to be some nice gas-powered generators. Some of them are even portable > (that > is, you can roll them around IF you don't have to roll them uphill--many of > the generators weigh over 400#). > > From eli@sherer.us Wed Sep 4 12:10:34 2013 From: eli@sherer.us (Eli Sherer) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:10:34 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports Message-ID: First, thanks to Bill Smith for not forgetting me :-) Secondly, (actually a few things). The start of the flying traffic reporter era was a bit before my time, so I cannot tell you when the practice began in Boston (or other places...). But I can say that Kevin O'Keefe (previously known as Dan Donovan, but legally Arthur MacTague), started in a fixed wing over Boston, working for WHDH. Not sure if Joe Greene was his pilot, but Joe was the first to fly helicopters in Boston. (On reason his reports always sounded so garbled, was that he often reported with a cigar hanging between his teeth. Quite a sight, considering he wore (as did we all), split David Clark H10-30 headsets with two boom microphones, one for broadcast and one for aircraft communications). Aside: There is a true story where Joe was in the middle of a broadcast in the late 1980s and stopped his report quite suddenly. When other copters inquired if he was OK (everyone listened to each other, because even at 110 knots, you can't be everywhere at once), Joe said, "It's OK, just dropped my cigar." As I recall, there were no more than 3 helicopters in the air in Boston. Kevin (WEEI) and I flew in one, Officer Bill Connell (MDC police) flew for WHDH, Joe Green flew for WBZ. As the winds shifted, Kevin spent a year on the ground (actually at the top of the Pru, in the Metro traffic studios), and Metro started flying it's own helicopter to supplement the fixed wing plane that could no longer traverse the Boston TCA. I was first in that helicopter (at first with Kevin, but later when he was grounded, I flew in a Robinson R-22 off the roof of the Museum of Science garage). Eventually, WEEI realized that having Kevin in the air was more important than the barter bucks they were getting from Metro (or maybe they were giving up too much inventory), so Kevin took to the skies again, right around the time that Officer Bill "retired" and then re-appeared flying in another machine for WVBF. Here, it gets fuzzy. WHDH made a deal with the State Police to fly trooper Grant Moulaison "for free" in their helicopter. I moved from Metro to other radio stations (WROR, WBOS and eventually, WBCN) and started flying side by side with Kevin again. But the WHDH deal called for a helicopter that they could not afford on their own, so Grant came up to Beverly and flew with Kevin, myself, and Malcolm Alter (who was broadcasting for WRKO at the time... maybe a few others). Push came to shove, and I ended up in the back seat, while Grant took the left side front next to Kevin (for him, we took the dual controls out :-)). As Metro became Westwood One (eventually Clear Channel), others have gone in and out of the copters. Malcom is one, Joe Morgan another, most flying in the same machine, side by side, like a fleet of one. When Kevin left, after 25 years, there was a luncheon and speeches. Last I heard, he's retired and living happily in Florida. Joe, on the other hand, just gave 'BZ his two weeks notice and disappeared to the back woods of New Hampshire. He didn't want all the pomp and circumstance of a huge retirement party. I flew off and on with Kevin through the 1980s, and it was the best (aside from the 5am alarm). Joe passed away a few years ago, and though I saw him every day, I only flew with him once (when Kevin was ill and his replacement, John McKenna, was on reserve duty, I got to fill in on WEEI, while flying in the 'BZ copter with Joe). He was also very nice, and very personable, though he never did offer me a cigar. Oh yeah... and the Chip Whitmore incident: Rex did own the helicopter, but was not able to fly that day. I believe that Kevin was back from vacation, but was not able to fly for some reason either (maybe he was not feeling well). I don't think anyone ever found out what happened when it went down. The heat from the fire destroyed any evidence that could have led to a cause. -- -Eli "Wicked High" Sherer From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Sep 4 14:16:45 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WJIB night signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D077B20B7558E5-2020-404B@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> One would think that the newer generation of batteries like you might find in a Toyota Prius, Nissan Leaf, or Chevy Volt would have enough "horses" to run a computer and 250-watt AM rig for a while from a full charge. Maybe Cambridge would permit a few rooftop solar panels to augment available power too. Mark Connelly South Yarmouth, MA << Dan, You do know "jibguy" is Bob, right? You refer to him in your reply like "jibguy" is someone else.. lol. It seems like power has been pretty stable at WJIB, so thats why a generator/UPS hasn;t been bought. BOb is very frugal and spends money wisely.. if one was needed and he could get it, he would. Paul On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; BostonRadio.org > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: WJIB night signal > > WJIB does not have a back-up >> generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 >> state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation >> of a generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards. >> >> ---jibguy >> > > Well, if WJIB were not a business (my understanding is that it IS > technically a business notwithstanding that it is non-profit and listener > supported), Bob could probably put in a generator without consulting the > EPA. The latest Consumer Reports has a lengthy (for CU) report on backup > generators for homeowners, and though I didn't read every word, I did not > notice anything about getting approvals from federal authorities. However, > I'm pretty sure that a permit from the City of Cambridge (building > inspector), would be required. And, before the generator could be switched > on, the building inspector (and maybe the electric company and the gas > company) would have to visit the property and inspect the installation. > BTW, > if natural gas is available on the property at 443 Concord Ave, there > appear > to be some nice gas-powered generators. Some of them are even portable > (that > is, you can roll them around IF you don't have to roll them uphill--many of > the generators weigh over 400#). > >> From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Sep 4 14:56:51 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WJIB night signal Message-ID: <48eaf.7359eb23.3f58dc72@aol.com> It is admirable that you would even think of putting a back up generator there. The station has been there forever I would think that they must have had a generator at one time. Mike In a message dated 9/3/2013 8:33:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: >>>WJIB does not have a back-up generator. Such is probably not possible without permission from 2,412 state and local agencies plus the EPA who is concerned that installation of a generator would kill or deform 34 species of lizards.<<< From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Wed Sep 4 15:31:21 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports Message-ID: <2d697.20659596.3f58e488@aol.com> I was working at NBC when Jane Dornacker crashed while she was doing her report. You could hear the copter transmission go around :45. This was her second crash that is how she knew to hit the water. It was determined that the mechanic put the wrong transmission in the copter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e6sfiylUGY From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 4 17:57:36 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:57:36 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5227ACD0.9090704@attorneyross.com> On 9/4/2013 12:10 PM, Eli Sherer wrote: > Oh yeah... and the Chip Whitmore incident: Rex did own the helicopter, but > was not able to fly that day. I believe that Kevin was back from vacation, > but was not able to fly for some reason either (maybe he was not feeling > well). I don't think anyone ever found out what happened when it went down. > The heat from the fire destroyed any evidence that could have led to a > cause. > A number of years after that crash, I was in Radio Shack in Coolidge Corner and overheard a woman telling the clerk at the register about the crash. I chimed in that I remembered the crash (I was listening to the news on WEEI that morning), and it turned out Chip Whitmore was her husband. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 4 17:23:45 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:23:45 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports In-Reply-To: <2d697.20659596.3f58e488@aol.com> References: <2d697.20659596.3f58e488@aol.com> Message-ID: I remember in August of 1969 Joe Green did a report that went something like this "and in the northbound lane of the expressway a Penn Central locomotive is blocking traffic" Dave Maynard then asked - 'Joe, are you drunk?' Joe seemed to be a be a man that was no nonsense and at times gruff. I recall an awkward exchange when WBZ was doing a blood drive and one of the jocks asked if he would be giving blood later and Joe tersely said no. So the jock teased him a little asking if he was afraid of needles and Joe replied - 'No I had malaria' - dead silence for 5 seconds. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, wrote: > I was working at NBC when Jane Dornacker crashed while she was doing her > report. You could hear the copter transmission go around :45. This was her > second crash that is how she knew to hit the water. It was determined > that > the mechanic put the wrong transmission in the copter. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e6sfiylUGY > From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Sep 4 23:01:55 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 23:01:55 -0400 Subject: WJIB night signal In-Reply-To: <8D077B20B7558E5-2020-404B@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D077B20B7558E5-2020-404B@webmail-d289.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Mark Connelly wrote: > One would think that the newer generation of batteries like you might find in a Toyota Prius, Nissan Leaf, or Chevy Volt would have enough "horses" to run a computer and 250-watt AM rig for a while from a full charge. > The station is an entertainment station, not a news and information station, and being operated on a not-for-profit basis. What great need is there for a generator? So what it they are off the air for a few hours during a power outage, if it's because of severe weather most people are listening to other stations anyway. From dillane@sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 5 06:19:14 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dale Dorman airchecks this Sat. on RewoundRadio.com Message-ID: <1378376354.89988.YahooMailNeo@web184905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> RewoundRadio.com will air Dale's WRKO, WODS and WOLF airchecks at noon this Saturday.? Notice on the New York Broadcast History Board at http://www.musicradio77.com/historyboard/wwwboard/messages/19488.html From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Sep 5 22:13:50 2013 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 22:13:50 -0400 Subject: you're invited (per Carter Alan) Message-ID: <52293A5E.9000502@donnahalper.com> I hope some fans of the old WBCN will be able to attend this event, the official launch of Carter's new book. I've got my copy (I helped with some of the research, but most of it comes from Carter's own research, along with interviews with many celebrities and former WBCN staff members). The event starts at 7 pm: "On Monday September 16th at Remy's next to Fenway Park - 1265 Boylston Street (where WBCN was located for 25 years), come celebrate the release of RADIO FREE BOSTON. It's an off-night for the Sox. Free admission. Carter will read a few passages from the book and will sign copies available there for sale. Wicked excellent mingling is guaranteed! Sam Kopper and "Free-Form 'BCN" (HD-3) will be out front broadcasting live. 'BCN peeps and public - come on down!" From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Sep 6 17:06:28 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:06:28 -0400 Subject: John Labarca Returns To The Radio Message-ID: So it's bit south of the Boston area, but Im sure some folks know who he is..... after getting booted from WICC and leaving WSTC/WNLK and a short illfated attempted at a show on WDJZ 1530, John is back with his signature show, Italian House Party on WHLI 1100. http://www.whli.com/italian-house-party.aspx http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WHLI&service=AM&status=L&hours=D From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 7 00:04:23 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 00:04:23 -0400 Subject: you're invited (per Carter Alan) In-Reply-To: <52293A5E.9000502@donnahalper.com> References: <52293A5E.9000502@donnahalper.com> Message-ID: <522AA5C7.5020305@attorneyross.com> I was a fan of the "old" WBCN, but not the one you're talking about. The WBCN I was a fan of was the original classical music format. On 9/5/2013 10:13 PM, Donna Halper wrote: > I hope some fans of the old WBCN will be able to attend this event, > the official launch of Carter's new book. I've got my copy (I helped > with some of the research, but most of it comes from Carter's own > research, along with interviews with many celebrities and former WBCN > staff members). The event starts at 7 pm: "On Monday September 16th > at Remy's next to Fenway Park - 1265 Boylston Street (where WBCN was > located for 25 years), come celebrate the release of RADIO FREE > BOSTON. It's an off-night for the Sox. Free admission. Carter will > read a few passages from the book and will sign copies available there > for sale. Wicked excellent mingling is guaranteed! Sam Kopper and > "Free-Form 'BCN" (HD-3) will be out front broadcasting live. 'BCN > peeps and public - come on down!" > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3222/6139 - Release Date: 09/04/13 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From map@mapinternet.com Sat Sep 7 12:37:55 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:37:55 -0400 Subject: WHLI, Re: John Labarca Returns To The Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432CD93FEF544737831EE58698832904@CASEYPC> Great news for coastal residents, the beach crowd, and anyone heading out of NYC on a cruise ship (grin). WHLI's 10,000 watt daytime only signal is heard way out to sea to the south and way down the coast, past Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. --Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: John Labarca Returns To The Radio So it's bit south of the Boston area, but Im sure some folks know who he is..... after getting booted from WICC and leaving WSTC/WNLK and a short illfated attempted at a show on WDJZ 1530, John is back with his signature show, Italian House Party on WHLI 1100. http://www.whli.com/italian-house-party.aspx http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WHLI&service=AM&status=L&hours=D From markwats@comcast.net Sun Sep 8 12:09:08 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:09:08 -0400 Subject: Pete Sheppard On WCAP Message-ID: <1E946B5395EF43FF885454D80663C112@MarkOTS3> According to postings elsewhere and from Pete Sheppard himself via his Twitter account, starting tomorrow his show will be on WCAP weekdays from 11:00 AM to 12:30 PM. Pete most recently was co-hosting an afternoon show on WUFC (1510) and is best known for his years at WEEI. Currently in the 11:00 hour at WCAP Jack Baldwin was on Mon-Wed, with locally hosted and most likely brokered financial talk Thrus & Fri. I wonder how long Pete will last at 'CAP? I bumped into a former WCAP staffer at Dracut Old Home Day yesterday. In a short conversation he mentioned hearing rumblings about Pete Sheppard coming to 'CAP. Doing some on-line searching led to confirming this. He also mentioned the recent sad state of technical and programming affairs there. He worked for the Cohens for many years, and while Ike was alive he kept up with transmitter site, transmitter plant and equipment maintainance. After Ike passed Maurice may not have kept up with it as much, but they never had as much downtime as they've had recently (twice in the last 4 months being off the air for 3 or 4 days). And the programming issues he alluded to are the addition of more brokered shows and over the last couple of months, half hour informercials, such as "The Brain Health Show" and other similar shows weekdays at 12:30 PM, displacing a half hour of local programming. He feels such shows drives away what audience they may have, even though they may bring in some cash for the station. The last few years Maurice Cohen had the station he sold time to Spanish programmers, but only the 10 PM-12 Midnight slot, which didn't disrupt any daytime programming. Mark Watson From markwa1ion@aol.com Sun Sep 8 14:14:53 2013 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (Mark Connelly) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: John Labarca Returns To The Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D07AD672C3F9F1-11A0-1F750@webmail-d234.sysops.aol.com> I get WHLI 1100 OK here in South Yarmouth, MA. Not entertainment grade but audible on better radios. Mark Connelly << Great news for coastal residents, the beach crowd, and anyone heading out of NYC on a cruise ship (grin). WHLI's 10,000 watt daytime only signal is heard way out to sea to the south and way down the coast, past Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. --Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: John Labarca Returns To The Radio So it's bit south of the Boston area, but Im sure some folks know who he is..... after getting booted from WICC and leaving WSTC/WNLK and a short illfated attempted at a show on WDJZ 1530, John is back with his signature show, Italian House Party on WHLI 1100. http://www.whli.com/italian-house-party.aspx http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WHLI&service=AM&status=L&hours=D >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Sep 9 13:10:34 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:10:34 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA Message-ID: My guess is that this is a typo in the FCC Broadcast Applications Digest for today, Monday, 9/9/2013. The digest says that an AM 730 station in Bayview MA has applied for direct measurement of antenna input power. The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that the station has a W call sign. So there must be at least one Bayview besides the one in TX. I would think that, if there were a Bayview MA, Bob Bittner and Ken Carberry would be upset about interference from the Bayview station to stations they own (WACE, WJTO, and WJIB) regardless of how the Bayview station's antenna power was measured. I don't remember the details, but the Bayview station appears to be owned by a Catholic religious order. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From jjlehmann@comcast.net Mon Sep 9 13:56:51 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:56:51 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> > My guess is that this is a typo in the FCC Broadcast Applications > Digest for today, Monday, 9/9/2013. The digest says that an AM 730 > station in Bayview MA has applied for direct measurement of antenna > input power. The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that > the station has a W call sign. So there must be at least one Bayview > besides the one in TX. I would think that, if there were a Bayview MA, > Bob Bittner and Ken Carberry would be upset about interference from the > Bayview station to stations they own (WACE, WJTO, and WJIB) regardless > of how the Bayview station's antenna power was measured. I don't > remember the details, but the Bayview station appears to be owned by a > Catholic religious order. There is a catholic station on 88.5 FM, WPMW licensed to Bayview, MA (Part of Dartmouth), maybe they just got the band and frequency wrong? Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Sep 9 14:13:20 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:13:20 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130909141211.03c1e710@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:10 PM 9/9/2013, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that the station has a W call sign. Bayview, MI is probably what was intended. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Sep 9 15:58:21 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:58:21 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA References: <7.0.1.0.2.20130909141211.03c1e710@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <05DDEB98667141AABC867A5CB8A715B6@SatU205S5044> There is, indeed, a Bay View MI, but the proper spelling puts a space between the w and the M and capitalizes the M. Still, a Google search for Bayview MA did not come up empty, but I saw no mention of Dartmouth MA among the results. My guess is that someone at the FCC changed the case of the M and deleted the space. Getting Google results for Baview MA must have reassured the FCC person that s/he had the CoL and state correct. Of course, with enough relaxation of the rules because of long salt water paths, an AM 730 in Dartmouth with a tight pattern that favored the southeast might actually work--provided the permittee had a large stash of cash and could find a Tx site large enough for all of the required towers. The service area would mainly cover the ocean but there must be some islands within it whose inhabitants really feel the need of a person to say the Rosary on the radio every morning. OK, not really. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Bayview MA > At 01:10 PM 9/9/2013, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >>The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that the station has a >>W call sign. > > Bayview, MI is probably what was intended. > > Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Sep 9 15:36:50 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: video: WLLH / WSSH Broadway studios (1986) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1378755410.51271.YahooMailNeo@web142704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks for sharing, Mike. Guessing the time frame is September 1986, based on the sight of a "Red Sox magic number" card up on a wall. I'm impressed with the quality of the tape for it being almost 30 years old; I have VHS tapes much younger than that that aren't in that condition. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wilkins To: "boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: video: WLLH / WSSH Broadway studios (1986) Again, just because there was discussion about the old WLLH / WSSH studios, I offer up the following video, shot by one Michael Colby shortly before WSSH moved down to Cummings Park in Woburn. (fwiw, I asked Mike if he minded me pointing the list to it, and he said, "It's there for posterity - whatever that means. By all means share and enjoy!") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwaExfKigk From scott@fybush.com Mon Sep 9 14:59:22 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:59:22 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> References: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> Message-ID: <522E1A8A.1070305@fybush.com> On 9/9/2013 1:56 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > There is a catholic station on 88.5 FM, WPMW licensed to Bayview, MA (Part > of Dartmouth), maybe they just got the band and frequency wrong? There is a wealth of information that can be directly tapped from the Daily Digest. In addition to the callsign, each Digest listing includes an application number and a facility ID number, and those facility ID numbers and app numbers can be looked up on the FCC's own site or on sites such as FCCInfo.com. What appears to have happened here is that the licensee of a different station, WFMW 730 in Madisonville KY, made a typo when filing a fairly routine application for "direct measurement" of power. The actual app was filed on paper and is thus not available for viewingon the FCC website, but we can see the "application search details" here: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1572587 And in so doing, we can see that the applicant name ("Sound Broadcasters"), frequency (730) and COL (Madisonville) are all correct, but the calls were entered as WPMW instead of WFMW. Somehow, that got linked within the FCC's application system to WPMW's facility ID number, which in turn spat out the "Bayview MA" that showed up on the Digest. I expect the typo will be corrected at some point. There's certainly no way an FM station can file a "direct measurement" (BZ-) application; those are for AM only. s From karenmctrotsky@gmail.com Thu Sep 5 05:38:33 2013 From: karenmctrotsky@gmail.com (Karen McTrotsky) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 05:38:33 -0400 Subject: Helicopter Traffic Reports Message-ID: Chip Whittemore was employed by WEEI as a news anchor and reporter when he filled in on the copter. The pilot was Red Bank who reportedly was filling in for Rex. Kevin O'Keefe was not replaced by MDC cop Bill Connell. He as replaced by two women. One was Georgia Pappas (a licensed pilot) the other was from the promotions department. Art McTague was Dan Donovan between Johnny Dark and Blaine Harvey. Bruce Talford, a Manchester NH native, and an Air Force veteran, later worked as Bruce Wayne in Los Angeles with the K-F-Eye in the sky. When he was killed in 1986 when the fixed-wing he piloted (because he thought it safer than a helicopter) crashed, his wife reportedly rushed to the scene and did on-air reports on the crash and Talford's career. The GM reportedly had a fatal heart attack on hearing the news. His first WHDH report was on Independence day, 1961 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Sep 9 17:35:08 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 17:35:08 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <522E3F0C.4020902@attorneyross.com> But there are stations in Texas with W call signs. WACO, WFAA, WBAP, maybe others. On 9/9/2013 1:10 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > My guess is that this is a typo in the FCC Broadcast Applications > Digest for > today, Monday, 9/9/2013. The digest says that an AM 730 station in > Bayview > MA has applied for direct measurement of antenna input power. The > Commission > might have meant Bayview TX, except that the station has a W call > sign. So > there must be at least one Bayview besides the one in TX. I would think > that, if there were a Bayview MA, Bob Bittner and Ken Carberry would be > upset about interference from the Bayview station to stations they own > (WACE, WJTO, and WJIB) regardless of how the Bayview station's antenna > power > was measured. I don't remember the details, but the Bayview station > appears > to be owned by a Catholic religious order. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 92 State Street | Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 9 14:32:25 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:32:25 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> References: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> Message-ID: WPMW is the only station in the USa licensed to any town called Bayview. On Monday, September 9, 2013, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > > My guess is that this is a typo in the FCC Broadcast Applications > > Digest for today, Monday, 9/9/2013. The digest says that an AM 730 > > station in Bayview MA has applied for direct measurement of antenna > > input power. The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that > > the station has a W call sign. So there must be at least one Bayview > > besides the one in TX. I would think that, if there were a Bayview MA, > > Bob Bittner and Ken Carberry would be upset about interference from the > > Bayview station to stations they own (WACE, WJTO, and WJIB) regardless > > of how the Bayview station's antenna power was measured. I don't > > remember the details, but the Bayview station appears to be owned by a > > Catholic religious order. > > There is a catholic station on 88.5 FM, WPMW licensed to Bayview, MA (Part > of Dartmouth), maybe they just got the band and frequency wrong? > > Jeff Lehmann > Hanson, MA > > From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Sep 10 00:51:26 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> References: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> Message-ID: <522EA54E.8040003@attorneyross.com> On 9/9/2013 1:56 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > There is a catholic station on 88.5 FM, WPMW licensed to Bayview, MA (Part > of Dartmouth), maybe they just got the band and frequency wrong? Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From ssmyth@psualum.com Tue Sep 10 03:22:54 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <522EA54E.8040003@attorneyross.com> References: <032901cead85$f6780740$e36815c0$@net> <522EA54E.8040003@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <1378797774.2690.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A. Joseph Ross writes: > Can you have a COL that isn't an official place?? Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill?? Or Waban? There are a fair number of stations we've discussed here over the years that are licensed to an unincorporated area, which are generally rare in New England and more common outside the region. (That was a big adjustment when I moved outside of New England -- I didn't understand how there could be a "town" when it wasn't really a town!) From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Sep 10 17:25:31 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:25:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Bayview MA Message-ID: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is licensed to "Beacon Hill". EP >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > >Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? >Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 19:02:41 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:02:41 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006e01ceae79$da3fc050$8ebf40f0$@skywaves.net> Hi, Dan - The app was filed for WFMW in Madisonville, KY, an AM station on 730 kHz. It was a paper filing that seems to have gone astray somehow in the entering of the data into CDBS. WFMW / WPMW, they're pretty close, but I have not seen an FM station with a frequency of 730 show up on an AM-only form before! I notified the FCC about the problem. Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527-0004 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) 650-479-2881 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:11 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Subject: Bayview MA My guess is that this is a typo in the FCC Broadcast Applications Digest for today, Monday, 9/9/2013. The digest says that an AM 730 station in Bayview MA has applied for direct measurement of antenna input power. The Commission might have meant Bayview TX, except that the station has a W call sign. So there must be at least one Bayview besides the one in TX. I would think that, if there were a Bayview MA, Bob Bittner and Ken Carberry would be upset about interference from the Bayview station to stations they own (WACE, WJTO, and WJIB) regardless of how the Bayview station's antenna power was measured. I don't remember the details, but the Bayview station appears to be owned by a Catholic religious order. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 18:59:04 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 18:59:04 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> Hi, Eli - Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. Dave Doherty Skywaves Consulting LLC PO Box 4 Millbury, MA 01527-0004 401-354-2400 202-370-6357 (DC) 650-479-2881 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Bayview MA The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is licensed to "Beacon Hill". EP >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 >From: A Joseph Ross >To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > >Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? >Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Sep 10 20:02:40 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:02:40 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> Are you sure about that? Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before WPMW came along. Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate from Middleborough. Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. Jeff Lehmann On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Dave Doherty" wrote: > Hi, Eli - > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. > > > Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > PO Box 4 > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > 401-354-2400 > 202-370-6357 (DC) > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is licensed to "Beacon Hill". > > EP > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: Bayview MA >> >> >> Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? >> Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? > > > > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Sep 10 20:45:06 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:45:06 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> Message-ID: There's an LPFM outwest whos city of license is Cell Site. Yup, I kid you not. Scott Fybush has the pictures to prove it. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Are you sure about that? > > Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before > WPMW came along. > > Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate > from Middleborough. > > Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. > > Jeff Lehmann > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Dave Doherty" wrote: > > > Hi, Eli - > > > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a > community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" > translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, > absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own > government independent of the larger municipality. > > > > > > Dave Doherty > > Skywaves Consulting LLC > > PO Box 4 > > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > > 401-354-2400 > > 202-370-6357 (DC) > > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli > Polonsky > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > > > > The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is > licensed to "Beacon Hill". > > > > EP > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 > >> From: A Joseph Ross > >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > >> Subject: Re: Bayview MA > >> > >> > >> Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? > >> Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Jibguy@aol.com Tue Sep 10 20:29:34 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bayview MA Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/2013 7:58:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave@skywaves.net writes: A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. ------------------------- What about the 1450 station in Virginia Beach, VA, who is licensed to "Bayside, VA". Bayside is a section of the City of Virginia Beach. (But I think it's off the air now, and license may have been deleted. ----jibguy From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 21:06:54 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:06:54 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201ceae8b$34af6480$9e0e2d80$@skywaves.net> LPFM is also a secondary service. You're right. KEAJ-LP is licensed to "Cell Site, MT" From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:45 PM To: Jeff Lehmann Cc: Dave Doherty; Eli Polonsky; Subject: Re: Bayview MA There's an LPFM outwest whos city of license is Cell Site. Yup, I kid you not. Scott Fybush has the pictures to prove it. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: Are you sure about that? Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before WPMW came along. Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate from Middleborough. Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. Jeff Lehmann On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Dave Doherty" wrote: > Hi, Eli - > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. > > > Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > PO Box 4 > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > 401-354-2400 > 202-370-6357 (DC) > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is licensed to "Beacon Hill". > > EP > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: Bayview MA >> >> >> Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? >> Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? > > > > > > > From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 21:20:28 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:20:28 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01ceae8d$19accd60$4d066820$@skywaves.net> Hi, Jeff - Mount Washington goes back to the days of Armstrong, and predates all the current rules. If you read the WRRS decision, the Commission found that Middleboro and Middleborough Center are indistinguishable - different traditional names for the same community. That's a common finding in New England Towns, a structure that seems unique to the region, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread. As for Bayview, I have not researched the app and its community. -d -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:03 PM To: Dave Doherty Cc: Eli Polonsky; Subject: Re: Bayview MA Are you sure about that? Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before WPMW came along. Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate from Middleborough. Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. Jeff Lehmann On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Dave Doherty" wrote: > Hi, Eli - > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. > > > Dave Doherty > Skywaves Consulting LLC > PO Box 4 > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > 401-354-2400 > 202-370-6357 (DC) > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is licensed to "Beacon Hill". > > EP > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 >> From: A Joseph Ross >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org >> Subject: Re: Bayview MA >> >> >> Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? >> Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? > > > > > > > From jjlehmann@comcast.net Tue Sep 10 21:18:25 2013 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:18:25 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> Other non translator/LP stations in MA and RI licensed to places that I don't believe are actual separately governed locations: MA: 1240 WBUR West Yarmouth, MA 88.3 WYZX (CP) East Falmouth 89.3 WUMD & 91.1 WTKL North Dartmouth 89.5 WWQZ Baptist Village, MA 90.1 WCAI Woods Hole, MA 90.7 WKKL West Barnstable, MA 93.5 WFRQ Harwich Port, MA 93.9 WRSI Turners Falls, MA 95.1 WXTK West Yarmouth, MA 98.7 WKFY East Harwich, MA 102.9 WPXC & 106.1 WCOD Hyannis, MA 103.9 WKPE South Yarmouth, MA RI: 990 WALE Greenville, RI 1180 WCRI Hope Valley, RI 90.3 WRIU Kingston, RI 91.1 WXEV Bradford, RI 95.9 WCRI & 99.3 WMNP Block Island, RI 99.7 WEAN Wakefield-Peacedale, RI 102.7 WRNI Narragansett Pier, RI I'm sure I missed a few... Jeff Lehmann From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Sep 10 21:58:17 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:58:17 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <001a01ceae8d$19accd60$4d066820$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> <001a01ceae8d$19accd60$4d066820$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: A trip to Radio-Locator looking for WRRS has a surprise There is both WRRS-FM and WRRS-LPFM It's this too close for comfort ? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > Hi, Jeff - > > Mount Washington goes back to the days of Armstrong, and predates all the > current rules. > > If you read the WRRS decision, the Commission found that Middleboro and > Middleborough Center are indistinguishable - different traditional names > for > the same community. That's a common finding in New England Towns, a > structure that seems unique to the region, as pointed out elsewhere in this > thread. > > As for Bayview, I have not researched the app and its community. > > -d > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:03 PM > To: Dave Doherty > Cc: Eli Polonsky; > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > Are you sure about that? > > Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before > WPMW came along. > > Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate > from Middleborough. > > Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. > > Jeff Lehmann > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Sep 10 21:59:30 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:59:30 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> <001a01ceae8d$19accd60$4d066820$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: How so Ron? It's legal On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Ron Bello wrote: > A trip to Radio-Locator looking for WRRS has a surprise > > There is both WRRS-FM and WRRS-LPFM > It's this too close for comfort ? > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dave Doherty > > wrote: > > > Hi, Jeff - > > > > Mount Washington goes back to the days of Armstrong, and predates all the > > current rules. > > > > If you read the WRRS decision, the Commission found that Middleboro and > > Middleborough Center are indistinguishable - different traditional names > > for > > the same community. That's a common finding in New England Towns, a > > structure that seems unique to the region, as pointed out elsewhere in > this > > thread. > > > > As for Bayview, I have not researched the app and its community. > > > > -d > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net ] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:03 PM > > To: Dave Doherty > > Cc: Eli Polonsky; > > > > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > > > > Are you sure about that? > > > > Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before > > WPMW came along. > > > > Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate > > from Middleborough. > > > > Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. > > > > Jeff Lehmann > > > From scott@fybush.com Tue Sep 10 21:12:20 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:12:20 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> Message-ID: <522FC374.2000109@fybush.com> On 9/10/2013 8:02 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Are you sure about that? > > Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it > before WPMW came along. > > Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not > separate from Middleborough. > > Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. The FCC's standards for establishing a useable community of license are a little odd. As Dave noted earlier, there are no COL standards for unprotected secondary service (class D, LPFM, translator), which is why you get something like "Cell Site MT" or "Beacon Hill and East Cambridge MA." It really is just a way to fill in a space on the paperwork, nothing more. For full-power protected service, as a baseline, you have to have a community with defined borders over which you can show a sufficient level of service. For new commercial allocations, or for moves of existing stations, the FCC wants to see a showing that the proposed community meets a sufficient number of the indicia it looks for. If it's an incorporated community recognized by the census, that's generally enough. If not, as in the case of Bayview, the FCC would look for more: a "Tuck analysis" demonstrating some combination of local government services, businesses using the community's name, a zip code, a local telephone directory, a local newspaper, and so on. Because municipal configurations vary so widely in different parts of the country, this may be the only rational way to do it. "Middleborough Center" may not be incorporated, but it's a much closer entity to what we'd call a "village" in New York or a "borough" in Pennsylvania or a "town" in most of the Midwest, while "Middleborough," although incorporated, is more akin to a "township" here or in most of the midwest. The FCC prefers to look at something like a "village" or "town" as a COL rather than a "township," though some noncommercial stations in the midwest are licensed to "Something Township." In some cases out west, the FCC has even accepted Air Force bases as having sufficient indicia to qualify as COLs. "Mount Washington," while it has a post office, is simply grandfathered from the early days of FM - don't forget that the earliest FM up there was nominally licensed to Boston! There are some grandfathered examples near me, where early Rural Radio Network FMs remain licensed to places like "Wethersfield Township" and "South Bristol Township." Those are actually incorporated towns in New York parlance, and they wouldn't generally qualify today as commercial COLs. (There are other factors, too, that have come into play more recently that limit stations' ability to move to urban communities of license from outlying areas.) You wouldn't be able to show that Bayview (or Tatnuck, or "Baptist Village," a noncomm COL near Springfield) would qualify as a COL for a commercial station. Had someone seriously challenged the applications, Bayview and Baptist Village might not even have qualified for full-power noncomm use. But nobody did, and so the stations exist. (There is actually a filing as part of one of WPMW's applications showing 70 dBu coverage of all of "Bayview," and I haven't a clue where they even got those boundaries from.) From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 22:53:28 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:53:28 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> <001a01ceae8d$19accd60$4d066820$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <001f01ceae9a$183d24e0$48b76ea0$@skywaves.net> The FCC allows multiple us of the same basic call sign with other extensions as long as the original licensee agrees. From: Ron Bello [mailto:rbello@belloassoc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:58 PM To: Dave Doherty Cc: Jeff Lehmann; Eli Polonsky; Boston Group Radio Subject: Re: Bayview MA A trip to Radio-Locator looking for WRRS has a surprise There is both WRRS-FM and WRRS-LPFM It's this too close for comfort ? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: Hi, Jeff - Mount Washington goes back to the days of Armstrong, and predates all the current rules. If you read the WRRS decision, the Commission found that Middleboro and Middleborough Center are indistinguishable - different traditional names for the same community. That's a common finding in New England Towns, a structure that seems unique to the region, as pointed out elsewhere in this thread. As for Bayview, I have not researched the app and its community. -d -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lehmann [mailto:jjlehmann@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:03 PM To: Dave Doherty Cc: Eli Polonsky; Subject: Re: Bayview MA Are you sure about that? Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before WPMW came along. Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate from Middleborough. Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. Jeff Lehmann From marklaurence@mac.com Tue Sep 10 22:41:28 2013 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:41:28 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <34603303-7F3B-4BD2-B107-3CAB14ED2ADA@mac.com> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Other non translator/LP stations in MA and RI licensed to places that I don't believe are actual separately governed locations: > > MA: > 1240 WBUR West Yarmouth, MA > 88.3 WYZX (CP) East Falmouth... > I'm sure I missed a few... How about the whole community of Hyannis? The Cape's largest "city" is not a city at all, but an unincorporated part of Barnstable, MA. From dave@skywaves.net Tue Sep 10 23:25:37 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:25:37 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002a01ceae9e$95787b90$c06972b0$@skywaves.net> Until recently, the FCC recognized US Census Designated Places as presumptively licensable communities (FCC document DA-09-2265, McNary, AZ). Many of the communities Jeff listed are CDPs. Another factor is that the FCC relies on its applicants and licensees to state the truth. In general, if an applicant is not challenged, the applicant's statements will be accepted as fact. So, as long as the applicant provides the required showing, and is not challenged on the point, the community will be accepted as licensable. A CDP can exist within a New England Town and be licensable on its own. In general, I believe a New England Town is not recognized as a municipality like Worcester or Boston, and local communities within them can be licensable. Away from New England, the Town concept is often (but not universally) referred to as a township. So you might have a township containing several communities. They would be licensable if they have the requisite local government services. That is much different from Tatnuck, which is clearly a section of Worcester and governed and served by the Worcester City government - and Beacon Hill for the same reasons. With the 2010 Census, the Census Bureau left it up to local and regional authorities to decide what a CDP should be. As a result, there is little consistency, and the FCC has moved away from the policy of presuming a CDP to be licensable. Wyckoff, NJ, my old home town with a population of 17,000+ and all the home-rule stuff like local government, schools, fire and police departments, etc., as well as a well-defined commercial district, was dropped as a CDP. Some locations out west with populations as low as 25 were added. As Scott pointed out, the FCC has struggled with the definition of what is a licensable community for decades. The latest version is in the Rural Radio proceeding and a more recent case that expanded on it. For those who want to be informed on the subject, you can read through the FCC's Rural Radio source documents, search the FCC website (or maybe Google) for FCC-10-24A1.pdf FCC-11-28A1.pdf FCC-190A1.pdf FCC-12-127A1.pdf DA-13-906A1.pdf -d From: Ron Bello [mailto:rbello@belloassoc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:04 PM To: Jeff Lehmann Cc: Dave Doherty; boston Radio Interest Subject: Re: Bayview MA All those on Cape Cod would be considered villages within the parent town Both Hyannis and West Barnstable are villages within the town of Barnstable along with Cotuit, Marstons Mills, Centerville and others. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: Other non translator/LP stations in MA and RI licensed to places that I don't believe are actual separately governed locations: MA: 1240 WBUR West Yarmouth, MA 88.3 WYZX (CP) East Falmouth 89.3 WUMD & 91.1 WTKL North Dartmouth 89.5 WWQZ Baptist Village, MA 90.1 WCAI Woods Hole, MA 90.7 WKKL West Barnstable, MA 93.5 WFRQ Harwich Port, MA 93.9 WRSI Turners Falls, MA 95.1 WXTK West Yarmouth, MA 98.7 WKFY East Harwich, MA 102.9 WPXC & 106.1 WCOD Hyannis, MA 103.9 WKPE South Yarmouth, MA RI: 990 WALE Greenville, RI 1180 WCRI Hope Valley, RI 90.3 WRIU Kingston, RI 91.1 WXEV Bradford, RI 95.9 WCRI & 99.3 WMNP Block Island, RI 99.7 WEAN Wakefield-Peacedale, RI 102.7 WRNI Narragansett Pier, RI I'm sure I missed a few... Jeff Lehmann From rbello@belloassoc.com Tue Sep 10 22:04:17 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 22:04:17 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> Message-ID: All those on Cape Cod would be considered villages within the parent town Both Hyannis and West Barnstable are villages within the town of Barnstable along with Cotuit, Marstons Mills, Centerville and others. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Jeff Lehmann wrote: > Other non translator/LP stations in MA and RI licensed to places that I > don't believe are actual separately governed locations: > > MA: > 1240 WBUR West Yarmouth, MA > 88.3 WYZX (CP) East Falmouth > 89.3 WUMD & 91.1 WTKL North Dartmouth > 89.5 WWQZ Baptist Village, MA > 90.1 WCAI Woods Hole, MA > 90.7 WKKL West Barnstable, MA > 93.5 WFRQ Harwich Port, MA > 93.9 WRSI Turners Falls, MA > 95.1 WXTK West Yarmouth, MA > 98.7 WKFY East Harwich, MA > 102.9 WPXC & 106.1 WCOD Hyannis, MA > 103.9 WKPE South Yarmouth, MA > > RI: > 990 WALE Greenville, RI > 1180 WCRI Hope Valley, RI > 90.3 WRIU Kingston, RI > 91.1 WXEV Bradford, RI > 95.9 WCRI & 99.3 WMNP Block Island, RI > 99.7 WEAN Wakefield-Peacedale, RI > 102.7 WRNI Narragansett Pier, RI > > I'm sure I missed a few... > > Jeff Lehmann > From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Sep 11 01:19:02 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:19:02 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > All those on Cape Cod would be considered villages within the parent town > Both Hyannis and West Barnstable are villages within the town of Barnstable > along with Cotuit, Marstons Mills, Centerville and others. Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing as a "village". In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that approximately coincide with historic postal zones. -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 11 01:10:42 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:10:42 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <522FFB52.6080402@attorneyross.com> On 9/10/2013 6:59 PM, Dave Doherty wrote: > Hi, Eli - > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own government independent of the larger municipality. Then how do stations get licensed to unincorporated areas, as Sean Smyth has indicated? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Sep 11 05:46:18 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:46:18 -0400 Subject: The River on NH Chronicle Message-ID: <68A56FF9-79BC-4019-9882-B58895C62EE9@mac.com> WMUR 9 is teasing a segment about WXRV on NH Chronicle tonight (Wed 9/11) at 7PM. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Sep 11 01:45:25 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:45:25 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: I have always been bemused that Channel 56 still led COL with Cambridge. The station historically has never had studio or transmitter inside the Cambridge city limits. WTAO/WXHR TV had their studio at the old transmitter location in Woburn. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > All those on Cape Cod would be considered villages within the parent town > > Both Hyannis and West Barnstable are villages within the town of > Barnstable > > along with Cotuit, Marstons Mills, Centerville and others. > > Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing > as a "village". > > In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, > and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In > Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that > approximately coincide with historic postal zones. > > -GAWollman > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Sep 10 21:07:58 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:07:58 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <001201ceae8b$34af6480$9e0e2d80$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <673F4945-9158-4D8B-950B-B7C6EDB87911@comcast.net> <001201ceae8b$34af6480$9e0e2d80$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: And guess what kinda tower KEAJ is on? The lpfm sure covers its COL. PW On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Dave Doherty wrote: > LPFM is also a secondary service. You?re right. KEAJ-LP is licensed to > ?Cell Site, MT?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Paul B. Walker, Jr. [mailto:walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:45 PM > *To:* Jeff Lehmann > *Cc:* Dave Doherty; Eli Polonsky; < > boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 'boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org');>> > *Subject:* Re: Bayview MA**** > > ** ** > > There's an LPFM outwest whos city of license is Cell Site. > > Yup, I kid you not. > > Scott Fybush has the pictures to prove it.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Jeff Lehmann > > wrote:**** > > Are you sure about that? > > Bayview is not independent at all. I'd certainly never heard of it before > WPMW came along. > > Middleborough Center, the COL of 1530 WVBF and 88.5 WRRS is not separate > from Middleborough. > > Mount Washington is another example of this, of course. > > Jeff Lehmann**** > > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:59 PM, "Dave Doherty" > > wrote: > > > Hi, Eli - > > > > Translators are secondary services. As such, they do not "serve" a > community, and they can be licensed to anything. CC's "Tatnuck, MA" > translator is another example of that. Tatnuck is a section of Worcester. > > > > A full service station could not be licensed to Tatnuck or Beacon Hill, > absent a showing that it is a fully independent community with its own > government independent of the larger municipality. > > > > > > Dave Doherty > > Skywaves Consulting LLC > > PO Box 4 > > Millbury, MA 01527-0004 > > 401-354-2400 > > 202-370-6357 (DC) > > 650-479-2881 (fax) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org 'boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org');> [mailto: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org 'cvml', 'boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org');>] On > Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:26 PM > > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 'cvml', 'boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org');> > > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > > > > The WCRB repeater W242AA 96.3 FM in Kendall Square, Cambridge is > licensed to "Beacon Hill". > > > > EP > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:51:26 -0400 > >> From: A Joseph Ross 'joe@attorneyross.com');>> > >> To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org 'cvml', 'boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org');> > >> Subject: Re: Bayview MA > >> > >> > >> Can you have a COL that isn't an official place? > >> Could a station be licensed to Chestnut Hill? Or Waban? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >**** > > ** ** > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Sep 12 00:18:34 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 00:18:34 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> On 9/11/2013 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing > as a "village". > > In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, > and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In > Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that > approximately coincide with historic postal zones. We do have villages, but they are completely unofficial and undefined. Chestnut Hill actually consists of parts of Brookline, Newton, and West Roxbury, and the only thing it seems to have in common is a zip code. At one time in Massachusetts, a village had its own town green and Congregational Church. As population grew, these villages eventually became incorporated as towns. Anherst has a couple of villages like that. South Amherst has a town green and a Congregational Church. I'm not sure whether North Amherst has a town green. If it does, it's not as obvious, but it does have a Congregational Church. I'm not sure how a town the size of Amherst manages to support three churches of the same denomination, but it does. There's another "village" in Amherst called "Cushman," but I've never figured out where it is. Probably there's no green or church there. Other towns in Western Massachusetts have villages, whose legal status is unclear. Turners Falls is a village of Montague. Leeds and Florence are villages of the City of Northampton. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 02:16:20 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:16:20 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... Message-ID: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> Just got a new TV and exploring some of the local HD channels on Comcast and such... Questions: 1.) Is there even a feed of WENH-TV (Ch 11 Durham, NH) anymore? Or is it simply a simulcast of WGBH-2 now. What would I find over-the-air now on Ch 11? (I don't see any listing anymore for WENH.) It appears that 296 _WAS_ WENH...but all I see now on it is MovieTVnetwork. 2.) Is Comcast offerring TV Land in HD? If so, I can't find it. 3.) Has anyone else discovered that The Weather Channel HD (Comcast 847) is the national feed with no local inserts? I was wodnering why I was waiting and waiting for "Local on the 8's"! From dave@skywaves.net Thu Sep 12 04:39:37 2013 From: dave@skywaves.net (Dave Doherty) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 04:39:37 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <003001ceaf93$9dcca190$d965e4b0$@skywaves.net> I think this is why the Census Bureau has a special category called "New England Towns." New York has some of the same complications. Saranac Lake is a Village with a county line running through it. So it includes parts of two counties and two towns. To add to the complications for the FCC, one county is in an Arbitron market and the other is not. Yikes! -d -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A Joseph Ross Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:19 AM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Bayview MA On 9/11/2013 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing > as a "village". > > In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, > and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In > Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that > approximately coincide with historic postal zones. We do have villages, but they are completely unofficial and undefined. Chestnut Hill actually consists of parts of Brookline, Newton, and West Roxbury, and the only thing it seems to have in common is a zip code. At one time in Massachusetts, a village had its own town green and Congregational Church. As population grew, these villages eventually became incorporated as towns. Anherst has a couple of villages like that. South Amherst has a town green and a Congregational Church. I'm not sure whether North Amherst has a town green. If it does, it's not as obvious, but it does have a Congregational Church. I'm not sure how a town the size of Amherst manages to support three churches of the same denomination, but it does. There's another "village" in Amherst called "Cushman," but I've never figured out where it is. Probably there's no green or church there. Other towns in Western Massachusetts have villages, whose legal status is unclear. Turners Falls is a village of Montague. Leeds and Florence are villages of the City of Northampton. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From lspin@comcast.net Thu Sep 12 09:13:58 2013 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:13:58 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> References: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> Message-ID: <004801ceafb9$f1322910$d3967b30$@net> I haven't seen TV Land on a Comcast HD, although given their programming, would there be any benefit in HD broadcast? There are two Weather Channel locations in HD. The one we're used to from the SD block might be on Channel 846. It's interesting about Movie TV Network... They appear to be broadcasting in HD (widescreen, anyway), but they are on Ch 296, way outside Comcast's HD Block of channels. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:16 AM To: B-R-I Subject: Local TV questions.... Just got a new TV and exploring some of the local HD channels on Comcast and such... Questions: 1.) Is there even a feed of WENH-TV (Ch 11 Durham, NH) anymore? Or is it simply a simulcast of WGBH-2 now. What would I find over-the-air now on Ch 11? (I don't see any listing anymore for WENH.) It appears that 296 _WAS_ WENH...but all I see now on it is MovieTVnetwork. 2.) Is Comcast offerring TV Land in HD? If so, I can't find it. 3.) Has anyone else discovered that The Weather Channel HD (Comcast 847) is the national feed with no local inserts? I was wodnering why I was waiting and waiting for "Local on the 8's"! From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 08:59:39 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:59:39 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> References: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> Message-ID: I don't know where you live but here in Beverly WENH-11 was dropped awhile back. WGBH and WGBX exist along with the various sub channels (GBH World, GBH Kids, GBH Create etc.) That's as far as Comcast is concerned and I don't know how close you'd live to Ch 11's tower to see if you can get Ch 11 that way On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Don wrote: > Just got a new TV and exploring some of the local HD channels on Comcast > and such... > > Questions: > > 1.) Is there even a feed of WENH-TV (Ch 11 Durham, NH) anymore? Or is it > simply a simulcast of WGBH-2 now. What would I find over-the-air now on Ch > 11? > > (I don't see any listing anymore for WENH.) It appears that 296 _WAS_ > WENH...but all I see now on it is MovieTVnetwork. > > 2.) Is Comcast offerring TV Land in HD? If so, I can't find it. > > 3.) Has anyone else discovered that The Weather Channel HD (Comcast 847) > is the national feed with no local inserts? I was wodnering why I was > waiting and waiting for "Local on the 8's"! > From mward@iname.com Thu Sep 12 09:57:26 2013 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:57:26 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> References: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Don wrote: > Has anyone else discovered that The Weather Channel HD (Comcast 847) is > the national feed with no local inserts? I was wodnering why I was waiting > and waiting for "Local on the 8's"! We have the same here on Time Warner Cable in Northeast Ohio. A lot of places haven't installed the Weather Channel box that gives "Local on the 8's" on the HD side. The local info is still on analog channel 25 or SD digital channel 370. From map@mapinternet.com Thu Sep 12 12:41:11 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:41:11 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4EC86299CFD2442F820D4238CE248214@CASEYPC> On 9/11/2013 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing > as a "village". That is only true with respect to (most) of the Governmental functions of the Commonwealth which recognize incorporated towns and cities. We really do have many villages or communities, many, still with their own separate Post Offices. In the City of Springfield we have Springfield and Indian Orchard, both with separate "downtown" areas, and post offices, and different Main Streets, Oak Streets, etc. Or, even in the town of Nantucket; Nantucket and Siasconset, also, both with separate "downtown" areas, and post offices, and different Main Streets, etc. Palmer has Three Rivers, Thorndike and Bondsville, all very separate villages with their own "center of town" or "downtown" areas in addition to Palmer's downtown area. Maybe the worst example of a licensed not-really-a-community in this region is Baptist Village, part of East Longmeadow. It is a section of town that most people never refer to using that name anymore. There is only a Church, and a Cemetary. Driving through, the average person would not say that it is any kind of village. There's no store, no gas station, no Dunkin', no car lot, no Post Office, no grouping of homes and businesses. Now, when you guys are driving around nearby, looking for a picture of the Baptist Village radio tower for next year's Calendar, please stop here at Hampden Hardware, which is in the Village of Hampden, but you may not think it is the village because the main business district is on the west side of town, which is a bigger village, and has the Village Mart, but that more busy village does not have a village or community name! Well, maybe we'll just call it the West Side! Now, can I get an FCC License for "West Side, Massachusetts"???? Mark Casey Hampden Hardware 480 Main St. in the Center, or Village... er.. or whatever....of Hampden (not far from Baptist Village-ha!) > > In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, > and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In > Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that > approximately coincide with historic postal zones. We do have villages, but they are completely unofficial and undefined. Chestnut Hill actually consists of parts of Brookline, Newton, and West Roxbury, and the only thing it seems to have in common is a zip code. At one time in Massachusetts, a village had its own town green and Congregational Church. As population grew, these villages eventually became incorporated as towns. Anherst has a couple of villages like that. South Amherst has a town green and a Congregational Church. I'm not sure whether North Amherst has a town green. If it does, it's not as obvious, but it does have a Congregational Church. I'm not sure how a town the size of Amherst manages to support three churches of the same denomination, but it does. There's another "village" in Amherst called "Cushman," but I've never figured out where it is. Probably there's no green or church there. Other towns in Western Massachusetts have villages, whose legal status is unclear. Turners Falls is a village of Montague. Leeds and Florence are villages of the City of Northampton. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From richard@chonak.com Wed Sep 11 23:43:41 2013 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:43:41 -0400 Subject: Sun News cancels Charles Adler show Message-ID: <5231386D.60806@chonak.com> Canadian TV/radio host Charles Adler, formerly also of Boston, is losing his weekday TV show on Sun News Network, but the network promises to keep Adler as a commentator on other shows and in unspecified projects: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/changes-for-charles/2665815677001 --RC From hlthyradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 12:15:22 2013 From: hlthyradio@yahoo.com (Barry Steinberg) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Celtics Broadcasts Message-ID: <1379002522.79356.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Although I now live in Los Angeles, I always follow the happenings of my home town radio and TV outlets.? Does anyone know who will be carrying Celtics games next season now that WEEI and Entercom are no longer under an agreement??? Perhaps a Greater Media station like WBOS, or a CBS Station like WBZ AM? ? Barry C. Steinberg From lglavin@mail.com Thu Sep 12 13:12:55 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:12:55 -0400 Subject: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? Message-ID: <20130912171255.241500@gmx.com> According to Allaccess.com, WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the time being until a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being in 1924. Allaccess lists STAs from all over the country every day. It's rare for an AM in New England to show up for some reason. In the past, the only AMs to go away completely were the "EB" twins WREB-AM 930 in Holyoke, MA and WHEB-AM 750 in Portsmouth, NH, the latter opting to go to FM exclusively. Then there's WSCV-AM 1050 (later adopting a plethora of call letters and formats) in Peterborough, NH that morphed into WSRA-AM 650. There must be some broadcaster up there that could find some use for a middle-of-the-dial 5K station. From ssmyth@psualum.com Thu Sep 12 14:38:31 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Celtics Broadcasts In-Reply-To: <1379002522.79356.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1379002522.79356.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1379011111.22311.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Barry Steinberg wrote: "Does anyone know who will be carrying Celtics games next season now that WEEI and Entercom are no longer under an agreement??? Perhaps a Greater Media station like WBOS, or a CBS Station like WBZ AM?" I haven't seen much on this lately. A few people have speculated that they'll go on The Sports Hub with conflicts to one of the other CBS stations (possibly WZLX). Chad Finn hasn't had anything in his media column. There were some rumors floating at the radiodiscussions board a few weeks back, but the site's jumbled redesign made me stop going there. From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Sep 12 15:37:13 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:37:13 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <003001ceaf93$9dcca190$d965e4b0$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> <003001ceaf93$9dcca190$d965e4b0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <523217E9.8070004@attorneyross.com> On 9/12/2013 4:39 AM, Dave Doherty wrote: > I think this is why the Census Bureau has a special category called "New > England Towns." > > New York has some of the same complications. Saranac Lake is a Village with > a county line running through it. So it includes parts of two counties and > two towns. To add to the complications for the FCC, one county is in an > Arbitron market and the other is not. Yikes! Come to think of it, Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts includes three counties, since Brookline is in Norfolk County, Newton in Middlesex, and West Roxbury in Suffolk. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. | 92 State Street | Suite 700|Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468| Fx: 617.507.7856 | http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 15:48:39 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:48:39 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: References: <6B4DF8F2E6F24A118838F99BF71F6C1A@Desktop> Message-ID: WGBH and WENH about a year ago started a process that while not a merger changed things a bit. WENH was removed from most Massachusetts cable systems and likewise WGBH was removed from many NH outlets. http://www.current.org/2012/08/nhptv-pairs-with-wgbh-to-bolster-its-program-line-up/ On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Mike Ward wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Don wrote: > > > Has anyone else discovered that The Weather Channel HD (Comcast 847) is > > the national feed with no local inserts? I was wodnering why I was > waiting > > and waiting for "Local on the 8's"! > > > We have the same here on Time Warner Cable in Northeast Ohio. A lot of > places haven't installed the Weather Channel box that gives "Local on the > 8's" on the HD side. > > The local info is still on analog channel 25 or SD digital channel 370. > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 15:50:54 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:50:54 -0400 Subject: Celtics Broadcasts In-Reply-To: <1379011111.22311.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1379002522.79356.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1379011111.22311.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: CBS can afford to wait to drop the price. The Celtics don't have many options. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Barry Steinberg wrote: > "Does anyone know who will be carrying Celtics games next season now that > WEEI and Entercom are no longer under an agreement? Perhaps a Greater > Media station like WBOS, or a CBS Station like WBZ AM?" > > I haven't seen much on this lately. A few people have speculated that > they'll go on The Sports Hub with conflicts to one of the other CBS > stations (possibly WZLX). Chad Finn hasn't had anything in his media > column. There were some rumors floating at the radiodiscussions board a few > weeks back, but the site's jumbled redesign made me stop going there. > > > From tony.abruzzese@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 13:22:03 2013 From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com (Anthony Abruzzese) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:22:03 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In relation to the WENH-11 Programming, a lot of it is simulcast of GBH-2, mostly primetime from what I have seen. There are some differences in programming, though, especially during pledge drives, from what I observed over the weekend. If you have access to the Verizon FiOS programming guide, you can do a closer comparison. Tony From bob.bosra@demattia.net Thu Sep 12 16:18:51 2013 From: bob.bosra@demattia.net (Bob DeMattia) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:18:51 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: As Anthony pointed out, pledge drives make the schedule diverge a bitmore than usual. In non-pledge-drive-mode, the schedules are nearly identical.Greater Boston is always replaced by something else on ENH.I haven't seen too many other difference. DISH still carries both channels in HD. -Bob > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:22:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com > To: raccoonradio@gmail.com; Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > In relation to the WENH-11 Programming, a lot of it is simulcast of GBH-2, > mostly primetime from what I have seen. There are some differences in > programming, though, especially during pledge drives, from what I observed > over the weekend. > > If you have access to the Verizon FiOS programming guide, you can do a > closer comparison. > > Tony > > From Jibguy@aol.com Thu Sep 12 18:40:40 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? Message-ID: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> In a message dated 9/12/2013 2:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lglavin@mail.com writes: WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the time being until a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being in 1924. The tower site is the problem. It is being re-designed or sold, and the 2 towers to be taken down. typical scenario.... "the land is worth more than the station". In this case, it's quite true, as the area the towers are, is in one of Bangor-area's mall development areas. - I really hope this great heritage station is purchased. (I'd do it if I had the time, and if my wife would let me!) -----jibguy From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 20:48:40 2013 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (D. A.) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> So, on Comcast in Massachusetts...we will not see the pledge breaks on any channel?? (Or whatever it is the run in place of Greater Boston? There is NO feed of whatever is running over-the-air on Channel 11? D ________________________________ From: Bob DeMattia To: B-R-I Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Local TV questions.... As Anthony pointed out, pledge drives make the schedule diverge a bitmore than usual. In non-pledge-drive-mode, the schedules are nearly identical.Greater Boston is always replaced by something else on ENH.I haven't seen too many other difference. DISH still carries both channels in HD. -Bob > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:22:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > From: tony.abruzzese@gmail.com > To: raccoonradio@gmail.com; Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com > CC: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org > > In relation to the WENH-11 Programming, a lot of it is? simulcast of GBH-2, > mostly primetime from what I have seen. There are some differences in > programming, though, especially during pledge drives, from what I observed > over the weekend. > > If you have access to the Verizon FiOS programming guide, you can do a > closer comparison. > > Tony > > From wollman@bimajority.org Thu Sep 12 22:06:37 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:06:37 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > So, on Comcast in Massachusetts...we will not see the pledge breaks > on any channel?? (Or whatever it is the run in place of Greater > Boston? There is NO feed of whatever is running over-the-air on > Channel 11? That is correct. WGBH made an agreement with Comcast to take WENH off systems in Massachusetts and to take WGBH off systems in New Hampshire. In terms of the national PBS schedule, the two stations have run the same programming since WGBH began operating NHPTV. Comcast customers in the southern half of the market can still get WSBE (36 Providence), since they haven't been forced to sell out. (NHPTV lost its annual state appropriation, and USNH sold the station to a newly-stood-up charity which could not afford to operate the stations itself, so they agreed to divide the market with WGBH. I'd be interested to know what that has done to contributions -- I know I no longer give to NHPTV, and I've never supported WGBH, so it's conceivable that this change has resulted in an irreversible loss of NHPTV donors.) I'm sure WGBH would happily take over WSBE as well, eliminating the remaining comptetition, if given the opportunity. The theory goes that since "everyone" (i.e., people who can afford to donate to a public broadcaster) has a DVR now, and "nobody" watches television live any more, there is no longer any value to running the PBS schedule "out of pattern". WGBH did pick up some shows that NHPTV had been the only source for, including the 2005 series of "Antiques Roadshow" from BBC America that has run at least a dozen times over now. -GAWollman From mward@iname.com Thu Sep 12 10:47:50 2013 From: mward@iname.com (Mike Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:47:50 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA In-Reply-To: <003001ceaf93$9dcca190$d965e4b0$@skywaves.net> References: <26490598.1378848331019.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <006a01ceae79$59c3c0c0$0d4b4240$@skywaves.net> <4E21BFA6-5959-4A9B-A13E-4E294424D6F8@comcast.net> <21039.64838.333159.486685@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5231409A.30000@attorneyross.com> <003001ceaf93$9dcca190$d965e4b0$@skywaves.net> Message-ID: Several stations in California are licensed to "Census Designated Places". KSTE/650 Rancho Cordova, a suburban Sacramento station which may have featured my voice from time to time in the 1990s :) There are any number of Sacramento stations licensed to CDPs which appear to the world as suburbs, but are unincorporated areas of Sacramento County - Fair Oaks, Natomas, North Highlands, etc. I don't know when the FCC stopped using CDPs as license-ready "cities". An AM CP (890) was licensed to Citrus Heights (now a city), but is now licensed to Olivehurst, a city north of Sacramento in the Yuba-Sutter area. Despite being "suburbs", all of the above CDPs would easily pass the Tuck test. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Dave Doherty wrote: > I think this is why the Census Bureau has a special category called "New > England Towns." > > New York has some of the same complications. Saranac Lake is a Village with > a county line running through it. So it includes parts of two counties and > two towns. To add to the complications for the FCC, one county is in an > Arbitron market and the other is not. Yikes! > > -d > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@lists.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > A > Joseph Ross > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:19 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Bayview MA > > > On 9/11/2013 1:19 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > Well, except for the minor issue that Massachusetts has no such thing > > as a "village". > > > > In the case of the Barnstable "villages", they are all fire districts, > > and may have other aspects of municipal government as well. In > > Newton, they're just administratively designated districts that > > approximately coincide with historic postal zones. > > We do have villages, but they are completely unofficial and undefined. > Chestnut Hill actually consists of parts of Brookline, Newton, and West > Roxbury, and the only thing it seems to have in common is a zip code. > > At one time in Massachusetts, a village had its own town green and > Congregational Church. As population grew, these villages eventually > became > incorporated as towns. Anherst has a couple of villages like that. South > Amherst has a town green and a Congregational Church. I'm not sure whether > North Amherst has a town green. If it does, it's not as obvious, but it > does have a Congregational Church. I'm not sure how a town the size of > Amherst manages to support three churches of the same denomination, but it > does. There's another "village" in Amherst called "Cushman," but I've > never > figured out where it is. Probably there's no green or church there. > > Other towns in Western Massachusetts have villages, whose legal status is > unclear. Turners Falls is a village of Montague. Leeds and Florence are > villages of the City of Northampton. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > > > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 21:50:37 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:50:37 -0400 Subject: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? In-Reply-To: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> References: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> Message-ID: Wonder if Bangor's Stephen King who owns a few stations up there could buy it; maybe not. I think WAEI was part of the WEEI simulcast outlets for a time hence the calls. Yes given the land value it may be gone for good but who knows. On Thursday, September 12, 2013, wrote: > > In a message dated 9/12/2013 2:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lglavin@mail.com writes: > > WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the time > being until > a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the > former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime > facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being in > 1924. > > > The tower site is the problem. It is being re-designed or sold, and the 2 > towers to be taken down. typical scenario.... "the land is worth more than > the station". In this case, it's quite true, as the area the towers are, > is in one of Bangor-area's mall development areas. - I really hope this > great heritage station is purchased. (I'd do it if I had the time, and if my > wife would let me!) > -----jibguy > From richard@chonak.com Thu Sep 12 23:15:12 2013 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:15:12 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> Viewers outside NH can watch some NHPTV specials on-line, including with the PBS Roku app (if you choose NHPTV as your local station). --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Sep 12 22:20:41 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:20:41 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Many seniors are not happy that Lawrence Welk vanished (GBH has NEVER aired Welk) On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < donald_astelle@yahoo.com> said: > > > So, on Comcast in Massachusetts...we will not see the pledge breaks > > on any channel? (Or whatever it is the run in place of Greater > > Boston? There is NO feed of whatever is running over-the-air on > > Channel 11? > > That is correct. WGBH made an agreement with Comcast to take WENH off > systems in Massachusetts and to take WGBH off systems in New > Hampshire. In terms of the national PBS schedule, the two stations > have run the same programming since WGBH began operating NHPTV. > > Comcast customers in the southern half of the market can still get > WSBE (36 Providence), since they haven't been forced to sell out. > (NHPTV lost its annual state appropriation, and USNH sold the station > to a newly-stood-up charity which could not afford to operate the > stations itself, so they agreed to divide the market with WGBH. I'd > be interested to know what that has done to contributions -- I know I > no longer give to NHPTV, and I've never supported WGBH, so it's > conceivable that this change has resulted in an irreversible loss of > NHPTV donors.) I'm sure WGBH would happily take over WSBE as well, > eliminating the remaining comptetition, if given the opportunity. > > The theory goes that since "everyone" (i.e., people who can afford to > donate to a public broadcaster) has a DVR now, and "nobody" watches > television live any more, there is no longer any value to running the > PBS schedule "out of pattern". WGBH did pick up some shows that NHPTV > had been the only source for, including the 2005 series of "Antiques > Roadshow" from BBC America that has run at least a dozen times over > now. > > -GAWollman > > > From chris2526@comcast.net Thu Sep 12 22:48:14 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:48:14 -0400 Subject: Bayview MA Message-ID: Another one is Old Salem Village which became what is now Danvers From Jibguy@aol.com Fri Sep 13 00:51:21 2013 From: Jibguy@aol.com (Jibguy@aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/12/2013 9:50:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raccoonradio@gmail.com writes: Wonder if Bangor's Stephen King who owns a few stations up there could buy it; maybe not. I think WAEI was part of the WEEI simulcast outlets for a time hence the calls. Yes given the land value it may be gone for good but who knows. Stephen King would certainly be the one. However diplexing off his two 620 sticks would not be a perfect match. One of the stations beams east at night and the other beams north-northeast. The only other AM sticks in the area are Dan Preistly's 2 separate sticks, neither of which have 3-phase electrical power installed... required for a 5,000 watt transmitter. While that is no inexpensive task, it's better than doing the tech study, finding/buying 15+ acres of land, fighting with town fathers for 2+ years and constructing towers. - Reducing it down to a 1,000-watt daytime/250w nighttime station may be a simpler answer, but then we must ask "why"? ----jibguy From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 13 01:45:24 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:45:24 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5232A674.4030209@attorneyross.com> On 9/12/2013 10:20 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Many seniors are not happy that Lawrence Welk vanished (GBH has NEVER aired > Welk) And I miss Inspector Poirot. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Sep 13 02:17:33 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 02:17:33 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <5232A674.4030209@attorneyross.com> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5232A674.4030209@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <21042.44541.729876.363954@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > On 9/12/2013 10:20 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Many seniors are not happy that Lawrence Welk vanished (GBH has NEVER aired >> Welk) > And I miss Inspector Poirot. I think you've got that confused... Hercule Poirot was a fictional *private* detective, a la Sherlock Holmes (who Christie admitted to taking as a model). I don't think those shows were ever licensed for US exhibition by anyone other than WGBH's "Mystery!" (later "Masterpiece Mystery") although you never know. (WGBH is currently re-airing the Granada Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett from the mid-1980s, which they originally acquired for "Mystery!". I remember watching those shows on snowy WNPI-TV from Norwood, New York, about 100 miles away, because we couldn't get locals WETK 33 and WCFE 57 due to horrendous multipath. It's been fun to see them again, and remember how much the producers tinkered with Doyle's plots.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Sep 13 02:32:51 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 02:32:51 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <21042.44541.729876.363954@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5232A674.4030209@attorneyross.com> <21042.44541.729876.363954@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5232B193.4000908@attorneyross.com> On 9/13/2013 2:17 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I think you've got that confused... Hercule Poirot was a fictional > *private* detective, a la Sherlock Holmes (who Christie admitted to > taking as a model). I don't think those shows were ever licensed for > US exhibition by anyone other than WGBH's "Mystery!" (later > "Masterpiece Mystery") although you never know. (WGBH is currently > re-airing the Granada Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett from > the mid-1980s, which they originally acquired for "Mystery!". I > remember watching those shows on snowy WNPI-TV from Norwood, New York, > about 100 miles away, because we couldn't get locals WETK 33 and WCFE > 57 due to horrendous multipath. It's been fun to see them again, and > remember how much the producers tinkered with Doyle's plots.) Poirot was a former Belgian police inspector who came to England because of Germany's occupation of Belgium. I thought he was, at least sometimes, called "Inspector" because of his former position, but I could be remembering wrong. The show was on NHPTV until last year, when NHPTV disappeared from Boston-area cable. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From map@mapinternet.com Fri Sep 13 09:06:05 2013 From: map@mapinternet.com (M. Casey) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:06:05 -0400 Subject: WABI/WAEI-Bangor- Heritage AM StationTo Close Down? In-Reply-To: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> References: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> Message-ID: <9A7E28979D4E4C618FCB59D81D0D8D0A@CASEYPC> According to Wikipedia, Blueberry Broadcasting took the station dark as of Sept. 1. And Radio-Locator has deleted it from the listings. Anyone here know anyone at Radio-Locator? In all cases like this, it sure would be nice if they left the technical information up at least until the license is turned in to the FCC. The tower land issue looks grim. But, with the economy in the slow state it is, I can't imagine that another piece of land is out of the question. Better yet...how's the possibility of diplexing with another station? Mark Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; In a message dated 9/12/2013 2:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lglavin@mail.com writes: WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the time being until a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being in 1924. The tower site is the problem. It is being re-designed or sold, and the 2 towers to be taken down. typical scenario.... "the land is worth more than the station". In this case, it's quite true, as the area the towers are, is in one of Bangor-area's mall development areas. - I really hope this great heritage station is purchased. (I'd do it if I had the time, and if my wife would let me!) -----jibguy From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Sep 13 09:25:43 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:25:43 -0400 Subject: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? References: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> Message-ID: A diplex with WZON 620 is the first thing that should be considered. Unfortunately, WAEI would need to construct one new tower at the WZON site because the orientation of the existing towers won't work for WAEI. I assume that this option has already been considered and discarded--presumably because there is not sufficient land at the WZON site for a new tower and ground radials in a location that WAEI could use. Or the trouble could be NIMBYs or zoning. A plus here is that WZON's frequency is ~2/3 of WAEI's, so the shorter of WZON's two towers could work for WAEI. If there isn't room for a guyed tower with anchors, a self-supporter might be made to work. And nobody says that the ground system has to be centered around the tower base. Stranger things than off-center ground fields have been done! A competent consulting engineer is clearly needed. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Heritage AM Station in Maine To Close Down? > > In a message dated 9/12/2013 2:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lglavin@mail.com writes: > > WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the > time > being until > a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the > former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime > facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being > in > 1924. > > > The tower site is the problem. It is being re-designed or sold, and the > 2 > towers to be taken down. typical scenario.... "the land is worth more than > the station". In this case, it's quite true, as the area the towers are, > is in one of Bangor-area's mall development areas. - I really hope this > great heritage station is purchased. (I'd do it if I had the time, and if > my > wife would let me!) > -----jibguy From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Sep 13 09:55:22 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:55:22 -0400 Subject: WABI/WAEI-Bangor- Heritage AM StationTo Close Down? References: <4156d.400533de.3f639ce8@aol.com> <9A7E28979D4E4C618FCB59D81D0D8D0A@CASEYPC> Message-ID: <8C227CCB1B614134B36A9CBAE42A564B@SatU205S5044> Hecht and Alonso (Hecht being Charlie Hecht, who engineered WQOM's and WSRO's upgrades) held an expired-in-2011 CP for 750 kHz 50-kW-D/10-KW-N DA-N in Hampden ME (near Bangor). This facility, if built, would have been Maine's most powerful AM. Was the station never built because the permittees realized that they could never recover the construction cost if they tried to sell the station after it was licensed? Or did this CP fall prey to any of several possible scenarios, among which are land acquisition, NIMBYs, and zoning? If the Hampden station existed, moving WAEI to its site would still have required the addition of one tower, but in this case, the host station's directional array would have had four towers and the new tower could have been placed somewhere near the center of the parallelogram, avoiding the gymnastics of trying to locate appropriate spots for the tower and ground system at the WZON site. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Casey" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: WABI/WAEI-Bangor- Heritage AM StationTo Close Down? > According to Wikipedia, Blueberry Broadcasting took the station dark as of > Sept. 1. > And Radio-Locator has deleted it from the listings. > Anyone here know anyone at Radio-Locator? > In all cases like this, it sure would be nice if they left the technical > information up at least until the license is turned in to the FCC. > > The tower land issue looks grim. But, with the economy in the slow state > it > is, I can't imagine that another piece of land is out of the question. > Better yet...how's the possibility of diplexing with another station? > > Mark Casey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > > In a message dated 9/12/2013 2:16:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lglavin@mail.com writes: > > WAEI-AM 910 in Bangor, ME has requested approval to go silent for the > time > being until > a buyer can be found, and if not, then turn in the license. WAEI is the > former WABI-AM, a 5,000-watt fulltime > facility in the second largest market in the state that came into being > in > 1924. > > > The tower site is the problem. It is being re-designed or sold, and the > 2 > towers to be taken down. typical scenario.... "the land is worth more than > the station". In this case, it's quite true, as the area the towers are, > is in one of Bangor-area's mall development areas. - I really hope this > great heritage station is purchased. (I'd do it if I had the time, and if > my > wife would let me!) > -----jibguy > From markwats@comcast.net Fri Sep 13 18:56:11 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:56:11 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <6CB0390A77404E928214137BAABFE83A@MarkOTS3> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Many seniors are not happy that Lawrence Welk vanished (GBH has NEVER > aired > Welk) I believe WGBX did run the Welk show Sundays at 12 Noon for a while. Just checked the listing for this Sunday on my Comcast guide, it appears to be fundraising time (again) as they have what appears to be programs that only air for such purposes listed at 11:00 AM and 12:30 PM. Is there a reason why WGBH never picked up the Welk show (and relegating it to WGBX) after taking WENH off cable in MA? I'm sure they were bombarded with requests to air the show on 'GBH. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Sep 14 11:20:44 2013 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:20:44 -0400 Subject: Celtics Broadcasts Message-ID: <20130914152044.262580@gmx.com> Comcast Sports reported that Sports Hub and the Celtics are working out a deal. There are 28 C's games that conflict with either Bruins (25) or Patriots (3) games, which will most likely have the C's winding up on another CBS property. http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/celtics-985-sports-hub-finalizing-broadcast-deal?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 15:04:08 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:04:08 -0400 Subject: MP3 or AAC+ for streaming radio. Message-ID: <49FB36A6DA744D6995208B52C6F522CA@Desktop> When I use my Wi-Fi radio to pick up broadcast radio stations internet streams, for some stations, it gives me the choice of selecting either an "MP3 Stream" or an "AAC+ Stream". What is the difference? WHy should I select one over the other? Thanks! From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 15:12:17 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:12:17 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <75847EDCC3074C24B9857CD67C140D7C@Desktop> > < said: > >>and I've never supported WGBH That sounds like a very deliberate decision. Care to share the reason? From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 15:13:36 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:13:36 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> Message-ID: <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. Do they do ANY local production? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > Viewers outside NH can watch some NHPTV specials on-line, including with > the PBS Roku app (if you choose NHPTV as your local station). > > --RC From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 14 16:11:50 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:11:50 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> Message-ID: Granite State Challenge is still being produced. http://www.nhptv.org/gsc/#.UjTBs8bF_LQ I am like Garrett - I supported WENH and not WGBH. Channel 11 always took a soft sell on fundraising - WGBH anything but. I still find it amusing that the 2 most watched events in WGBH history were sporting events. The Canada-USSR hockey final in 1972 and a replay of Game 6 of the 1975 World Series in early 1976. On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Don wrote: > NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire > Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. > > Do they do ANY local production? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:15 PM > > Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > > > Viewers outside NH can watch some NHPTV specials on-line, including with >> the PBS Roku app (if you choose NHPTV as your local station). >> >> --RC >> > > From richard@chonak.com Sat Sep 14 17:29:59 2013 From: richard@chonak.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:29:59 -0400 Subject: MP3 or AAC+ for streaming radio. In-Reply-To: <49FB36A6DA744D6995208B52C6F522CA@Desktop> References: <49FB36A6DA744D6995208B52C6F522CA@Desktop> Message-ID: <5234D557.4030200@chonak.com> On 09/14/2013, Don wrote: > When I use my Wi-Fi radio to pick up broadcast radio stations internet > streams, for some stations, it gives me the choice of selecting either > an "MP3 Stream" or an "AAC+ Stream". > > What is the difference? WHy should I select one over the other? I'll give you the bottom line first: AAC is better than MP3. (1) Audio compression MP3 and AAC+ are compression formats for audio files, used for data storage and transmission. Some other compression methods used in streaming audio include AAC (without the plus), WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC. For each format, there's a corresponding compression method (sometimes more than one). Most compression methods are "lossy": that is, they discard certain audio data from the original source. The choice of what to discard is based on models from psychoacoustics (research into human hearing), so there can be differences in the audio quality obtained from choosing one over another. Lossy methods are adjusted to be more or less aggressive in compressing the data: MP3 audio at 16 kbps (kilo-bits per second) sounds like the audio quality of a phone call, whereas MP3 audio at 320 kbps is considered good enough for classical-music downloads. So there are two aspects to choosing an audio stream: the compression method and the data rate. (2) Method quality Conventional wisdom puts AAC above MP3, and here's a comparison that backs up that opinion with some charts and graphs, showing that the artifacts (unwanted acoustical side-effects) of MP3 compression are usually greater than those of AAC compression: http://www.stereophile.com/features/308mp3cd Of the compression formats, FLAC would be best in audio quality, if it were used widely, since it is lossless, not lossy: it fully preserves the original data from the audio source. But FLAC files are typically about 50% of the original audio file size. In contrast, MP3 files are often as small as 10% of the original file size. (3) A practical note If you're in a car playing an audio stream from a smartphone, the internet connection is not of home-level bandwidth, and higher data rates just aren't usable. In those conditions, choosing AAC over MP3 can make more of a difference. --RC From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Sat Sep 14 17:21:08 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:21:08 -0400 Subject: MP3 or AAC+ for streaming radio. In-Reply-To: <49FB36A6DA744D6995208B52C6F522CA@Desktop> References: <49FB36A6DA744D6995208B52C6F522CA@Desktop> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130914171500.03caa278@plymouthcolony.net> At 03:04 PM 9/14/2013, Don wrote: >When I use my Wi-Fi radio to pick up broadcast radio stations internet streams, for some stations, it gives me the choice of selecting either an "MP3 Stream" or an "AAC+ Stream". > >What is the difference? WHy should I select one over the other? At low bitrates AAC+ (an implementation of MPEG-4 encoding) has been shown in comparison studies to offer better perceived audio quality than MP3 at the same low bitrates. At higher bitrates studies show the two to be virtually tied in perceived audio quality. YMMV - I would suggest comparing the two from a number of streams to see which you prefer. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Sep 14 19:06:49 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:06:49 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> Message-ID: On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Don wrote: > NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. > Granite State Challenge? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 01:58:32 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:58:32 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> Message-ID: <1AFF44B4F6264A8EA9B6DEE5E803733A@Desktop> > >> NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire >> Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. >> > Granite State Challenge? Hmmmm....no, not a game show. I remember 2 public affairs type shows...NH Crossroads" and another somewhat similar PA show. Wasn't Fritz Wetherbee on one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > > On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Don wrote: > >> NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire >> Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. >> > > Granite State Challenge? > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > > > From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Sep 15 02:40:40 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:40:40 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <1AFF44B4F6264A8EA9B6DEE5E803733A@Desktop> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> <1AFF44B4F6264A8EA9B6DEE5E803733A@Desktop> Message-ID: <21045.22120.874468.164637@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Hmmmm....no, not a game show. I remember 2 public affairs type shows...NH > Crossroads" and another somewhat similar PA show. > Wasn't Fritz Wetherbee on one? Fritz did "Crossroads" before retiring completely. I think the show you're thinking of was "Windows to the Wild" or something like that, hosted by Willem Lang, which was (I believe) funded by the NH Fish and Game department. Lang's voice is not quite as deep as Wetherbee's. -GAWollman From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Sep 15 02:45:09 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:45:09 -0400 Subject: Moderation reminder Message-ID: <21045.22389.429270.985713@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Just a reminder to folks: if you post to the list from an address that isn't subscribed to the list, your post will get held for moderation. (It might get held anyway, but not being a subscriber guarantees it.) If you post from multiple addresses, you should subscribe from all of them and set the "no mail" flag on all but one. Same goes if you only want to read the archives on the Web (which I will never understand but I know some people have told me that this was their preference): subscribe and set "no mail". -GAWollman From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Sep 15 03:45:39 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 03:45:39 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: <21045.22120.874468.164637@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> <1AFF44B4F6264A8EA9B6DEE5E803733A@Desktop> <21045.22120.874468.164637@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Fritz currently does segments for NH Chronicle on WMUR, so he's not completely retired. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. On Sep 15, 2013, at 2:40 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Hmmmm....no, not a game show. I remember 2 public affairs type shows...NH >> Crossroads" and another somewhat similar PA show. > >> Wasn't Fritz Wetherbee on one? > > Fritz did "Crossroads" before retiring completely. I think the show > you're thinking of was "Windows to the Wild" or something like that, > hosted by Willem Lang, which was (I believe) funded by the NH Fish and > Game department. Lang's voice is not quite as deep as Wetherbee's. > > -GAWollman > From markwats@comcast.net Sun Sep 15 10:18:33 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:18:33 -0400 Subject: Pete Sheppard WCAP Update Message-ID: Pete Sheppard did not appear on WCAP last week as he had announced. He had updated on his Twitter account during the week that an update on where he will be heard next will be coming soon. Pete announced on Twitter yesterday that he will be joining the staff of WCAP starting Spetember 23rd. His show will air Monday thru Wednesday from 11:00 to 12 Noon. He will also host a post-game football show on Sundays starting September 22nd, no specific mention of time or length of this show. No mention as to why he didn't start last Monday. Speaking of WCAP, they are apparently still on the Bauer 1KW backup transmitter. Last night in Tewksbury, about 5 or 6 miles as the crow flies, they were almost wiped out by WOFX Troy. Mark Watson From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 12:23:40 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:23:40 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... Message-ID: <147A8FB80B924B24922BFC2AC8E5AF98@Desktop> Aha.....! I remembered...there was "NH Outlook" and "NH Crossroads". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" To: "Larry Weil" ; Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > > >>> NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire >>> Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. >>> >> Granite State Challenge? > > Hmmmm....no, not a game show. I remember 2 public affairs type shows...NH > Crossroads" and another somewhat similar PA show. > > Wasn't Fritz Wetherbee on one? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Weil" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... > > >> >> On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Don wrote: >> >>> NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire >>> Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. >>> >> >> Granite State Challenge? >> >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH >> >> >> >> > From chris2526@comcast.net Mon Sep 16 00:11:28 2013 From: chris2526@comcast.net (Chris Hall) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:11:28 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards Message-ID: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have become, is no one going there anymore? I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to be more than that. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 16 01:18:29 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:18:29 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: Funny thing is I like the upgrade to VBulletin software as I am used to it. I agree the color scheme is idiotic. I think the big problem is users are confused at how to re register. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have > become, is no one going there anymore? > I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to > be more than that. > From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Sep 16 02:17:14 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:17:14 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: <21046.41578.837219.669807@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Funny thing is I like the upgrade to VBulletin software as I am used to it. > I agree the color scheme is idiotic. > I think the big problem is users are confused at how to re register. I assume you are referring to some particular "radio discussion board", but it would be helpful for other readers to state which one. -GAWollman From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 16 01:53:35 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:53:35 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: I wasn't confused as I didn't have to re register... But finding everything was a giant pain in the ass.. On Monday, September 16, 2013, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Funny thing is I like the upgrade to VBulletin software as I am used to it. > > I agree the color scheme is idiotic. > > I think the big problem is users are confused at how to re register. > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Chris Hall > > wrote: > > > Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have > > become, is no one going there anymore? > > I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to > > be more than that. > > > From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Sep 16 01:37:29 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:37:29 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: <926EAED0-7125-4851-915F-C7413F9C51B3@mac.com> I think it's also because people have gotten tired of reading a bunch of gasbags who find it necessary to pontificate on every topic regardless of whether they have any actual knowledge related to the topic at hand. Not naming any names.... Also the new format has made it harder to find replies to your posts. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have become, is no one going there anymore? > I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to be more than that. From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 16 04:15:53 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:15:53 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <21046.41578.837219.669807@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <21046.41578.837219.669807@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: Board in question is http://radiodiscussions.com/ Larry - actually on VBulletin you can set it that you can subscribe to a post you commented in and see all replies easily. Larry - another feature on Vbulletin is you can ignore certain posters ( but Joesph G is good for a laugh ) On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > Funny thing is I like the upgrade to VBulletin software as I am used to > it. > > I agree the color scheme is idiotic. > > > I think the big problem is users are confused at how to re register. > > I assume you are referring to some particular "radio discussion > board", but it would be helpful for other readers to state which one. > > -GAWollman > > From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Sep 16 03:28:24 2013 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 03:28:24 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <926EAED0-7125-4851-915F-C7413F9C51B3@mac.com> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <926EAED0-7125-4851-915F-C7413F9C51B3@mac.com> Message-ID: I'll add to my response that I think that busy people are looking more for reliable information than for opinion and argument. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:37 AM, Larry Weil wrote: > I think it's also because people have gotten tired of reading a bunch of gasbags who find it necessary to pontificate on every topic regardless of whether they have any actual knowledge related to the topic at hand. Not naming any names.... > > Also the new format has made it harder to find replies to your posts. > > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > > Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse the brevity. > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > >> Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have become, is no one going there anymore? >> I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to be more than that. > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 16 00:48:39 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:48:39 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: I stopped going there a few days after the changes... trying to figure the site out, find where they'd put some features and user controls .. and trying to read it all gave me a headache. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Chris Hall wrote: > Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have > become, is no one going there anymore? > I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to > be more than that. > From ssmyth@psualum.com Mon Sep 16 04:57:18 2013 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <926EAED0-7125-4851-915F-C7413F9C51B3@mac.com> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <926EAED0-7125-4851-915F-C7413F9C51B3@mac.com> Message-ID: <1379321838.29615.YahooMailNeo@web142701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Larry Weil wrote: > Also the new format has made it harder to find replies to your posts. To me, this is the main issue. The SMF software allows this option, and makes it hassle-free.? Oh, well, more time for me to listen to [insert name of station here]. From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Sep 16 06:14:22 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:14:22 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> A few days ago, in a private message, I complained to the moderator (moderator may be the wrong title) of the RD Boston board about exactly this problem. I suggested that, if he were not the right person to field such complaints, he should forward my message to the right person. I have not heard word one in reply. Very few people have the time or energy to learn the intricacies of how to use new software to perform functions that existing software had been performing satisfactorily for several years. From my viewpoint, RadioDiscussions.com has become a flat-out disaster. Is there another board that one can join as a substitute for R-D that does not require such a long learning curve? If so,I would welcome suggestions. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hall" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:11 AM Subject: Radio Discussion boards Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have become, is no one going there anymore? I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to be more than that. From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Sep 16 06:38:24 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:38:24 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130916062846.03cc61b0@plymouthcolony.net> At 06:14 AM 9/16/2013, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >Is there another board that one can join as a substitute for R-D that does not require such a long learning curve? I do not know of a general-interest board. Because I am an engineer that is the content that I generally look for. When Radio-Info was sold about 5 years ago most of the engineering topic moderators there started Virtual Engineer (broadcast engineering.info) and for years I have spent much more time there than at Radio-Info / RadioDiscussions. The software at Virtual Engineer is phpBB. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Sep 16 06:27:28 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:27:28 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130916061800.03cb02a8@plymouthcolony.net> At 01:18 AM 9/16/2013, Kevin Vahey wrote: >I think the big problem is users are confused at how to re register. The problem is that users had to reset their password for the new boards software, and the reset password feature on the new board often did not work. I tried to reset my password three times and never received a followup email. In order to reset my password I had to create a new account, log in with that, and contact an admin to have him fix things. I then logged in with my old account, vented on the board, and did not go back. I suspect that something similar has happened with other users. I don't really miss it - too many of the folks in the engineering topics there are not in radio, but in streaming. The most experienced and knowledgeable engineers have generally left that venue for Virtual Engineer, where I have been a member for years. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From m_carney@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 08:07:21 2013 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130916061800.03cb02a8@plymouthcolony.net> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <7.0.1.0.2.20130916061800.03cb02a8@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <1379333241.84280.YahooMailNeo@web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I tried 3 times before I could get the reset to work. Even more confusing was going into my profile and resetting the clock to EDT. It was a lot of hunt and search. I post mostly on the classic TV board, where there seems to be a discord between people like me into TV Guide listings from the 50s and 60s and younger people into 80s cartoon shows. Maureen From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Sep 16 09:00:32 2013 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:00:32 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: In their defense, I have an email address contact for some Radio Discussions Board "Help" and have recieved a reply within a day, if not hours of emailing when I had a few issues. But yeah, I gave up on the board.. hard to read and couldn't easily find all the features i was looking for. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > A few days ago, in a private message, I complained to the moderator > (moderator may be the wrong title) of the RD Boston board about exactly > this problem. I suggested that, if he were not the right person to field > such complaints, he should forward my message to the right person. I have > not heard word one in reply. Very few people have the time or energy to > learn the intricacies of how to use new software to perform functions that > existing software had been performing satisfactorily for several years. > From my viewpoint, RadioDiscussions.com has become a flat-out disaster. Is > there another board that one can join as a substitute for R-D that does not > require such a long learning curve? If so,I would welcome suggestions. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hall" > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:11 AM > Subject: Radio Discussion boards > > > > Anyone else notice how dead...dead...dead Radio Discussion Boards have > become, is no one going there anymore? > I realize the changes are clumsy, hard to read and navigate but it has to > be more than that. > From TVNETDUDE@aol.com Mon Sep 16 13:43:06 2013 From: TVNETDUDE@aol.com (TVNETDUDE@aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Local TV questions Message-ID: I didn't know that NH Crossroads was on the air that long. It was begun by a guy named Chuck Tately back in the early 80's. When I left in 1982 Tom Bergeron was the host. It was a fun show to shoot. Mike In a message dated 9/16/2013 9:02:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boston-radio-interest-request@lists.BostonRadio.org writes: I remembered...there was "NH Outlook" and "NH Crossroads". From rbello@belloassoc.com Mon Sep 16 14:33:56 2013 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:33:56 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130916062846.03cc61b0@plymouthcolony.net> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> <7.0.1.0.2.20130916062846.03cc61b0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: Please note that Virtual Engineer is @ *broadcastengineering.info* Suspect spell check added a space to text below > I do not know of a general-interest board. Because I am an engineer that > is the content that I generally look for. When Radio-Info was sold about 5 > years ago most of the engineering topic moderators there started Virtual > Engineer (broadcast engineering.info) and for years I have spent much > more time there than at Radio-Info / RadioDiscussions. The software at > Virtual Engineer is phpBB. > > Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > > From radiotest@plymouthcolony.net Mon Sep 16 15:07:13 2013 From: radiotest@plymouthcolony.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:07:13 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> <7.0.1.0.2.20130916062846.03cc61b0@plymouthcolony.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130916150451.03ccfb30@plymouthcolony.net> At 02:33 PM 9/16/2013, Ron Bello wrote: >Please note that Virtual Engineer is @ broadcastengineering.info >Suspect spell check added a space to text below You suspect correctly. I re-imaged this laptop last week and I haven't finished the many tweaks (such as disabling spell-and grammar-checkers in various programs) that I always have to do after re-imaging. Dale H. Cook, Market Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html From elipolo@earthlink.net Tue Sep 17 10:27:43 2013 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:27:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Radio-Info discussion boards Message-ID: <29603185.1379428063855.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >: > > I think the big problem is users are confused at how to >re register. Maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find any way to re-register as a current or returning user. I had to open a brand new account, though I had been using it for years with their old format. EP From hopfgarten@mail.com Thu Sep 12 17:43:07 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:43:07 -0400 Subject: Celtics Broadcasts In-Reply-To: References: <1379002522.79356.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1379011111.22311.YahooMailNeo@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought that WUFC 1510 was taking the Celtics for 13-14....Not yet? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Vahey Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:50 PM To: Sean Smyth Cc: Barry Steinberg ; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Celtics Broadcasts CBS can afford to wait to drop the price. The Celtics don't have many options. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > Barry Steinberg wrote: > "Does anyone know who will be carrying Celtics games next season now that > WEEI and Entercom are no longer under an agreement? Perhaps a Greater > Media station like WBOS, or a CBS Station like WBZ AM?" > > I haven't seen much on this lately. A few people have speculated that > they'll go on The Sports Hub with conflicts to one of the other CBS > stations (possibly WZLX). Chad Finn hasn't had anything in his media > column. There were some rumors floating at the radiodiscussions board a > few > weeks back, but the site's jumbled redesign made me stop going there. > > > From hopfgarten@mail.com Sat Sep 14 22:10:03 2013 From: hopfgarten@mail.com (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:10:03 -0400 Subject: Local TV questions.... In-Reply-To: References: <1379033320.83168.YahooMailNeo@web160403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <21042.29485.168346.559929@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <52328340.1010103@chonak.com> <1CC5A86968F0426888FBC5FF98C1E420@Desktop> Message-ID: Isn't Wildlife Journal a NHPTV production? -Paul H Epping NH -----Original Message----- From: Larry Weil Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:06 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Group Subject: Re: Local TV questions.... On Sep 14, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Don wrote: > NHPTV Used to have a 2 locally produced programs. New Hampshire > Corssroads...and something else that I used to enjoy. > Granite State Challenge? Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Sep 26 20:38:00 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:38:00 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 Message-ID: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/09/26/boston-celtics-98-5-the-sports-hub-announce-multi-year-broadcast-partnership/ When there are conflicts the C's go to WZLX. New network affiliates may have to be found in Springfield, Worcester, RI and Cape Cod. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Sep 27 10:39:41 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:39:41 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 References: Message-ID: Why? Does Entercom refuse to carry PBP that originates at a CBS O&O? Or do contractual agreements with the Bruins prevent the existing Cs affiliates in Springfield, Worcester, RI, and Cape Cod from pre-empting PBP that conflicts with Bruins games? A Worcester affiliate (WCRN) seems to be a natural. I have no clue about where the Bs (or Cs--depending on which team's games are displaced) would go in the other three markets. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:38 PM Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 > When there are conflicts the C's go to WZLX. New network affiliates may > have to be found in Springfield, Worcester, RI and Cape Cod. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Sep 27 11:34:29 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:34:29 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK: We know Entercom declined to re-up with the Celtics on the flagship, WEEI, presumably for economic reasons (the team is not as popular, and not doing as well, and they didn't want to commit). Now: --Entercom owns three of the four stations: WWEI-FM 105.5 Easthampton, WVEI 1440 Worcester, and WVEI-FM 103.7 Westerly, RI. Entercom may want to do the same with these--run talk with Mike Adams (and in some cases Red Sox games when there are conflicts) --The other is owned by Qantum I believe, WEII-FM licensed to Dennis. Who knows if they would continue to run C's under the new Sports Hub Celtics network. You're right, for all we know the Entercom stations in Western MA, the Cape, and Worc. may stay with the C's but maybe Entercom wants talk or the Sox. It's up to Qantum to decide what they want on WEII. I thought maybe Entercom didn't want the C's to air on their other stations as well... WCRN may indeed be a good substitute for Worcester. Cape Cod? The two AMs simulcast public radio and there are many music stations which could carry the C's if WEII doesn't. Springfield/Hartford area, Clear Channel owns WPOP 1410 (Fox Sports) and WUCS-FM 97.9 Windsor Locks (ESPN). Either could pick them up, and in Springfield Cumulus owns WHLL 1450 (CBS Radio; the calls refer to the Basketball HaLL of Fame) On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Why? Does Entercom refuse to carry PBP that originates at a CBS O&O? Or do > contractual agreements with the Bruins prevent the existing Cs affiliates > in > Springfield, Worcester, RI, and Cape Cod from pre-empting PBP that > conflicts > with Bruins games? > > A Worcester affiliate (WCRN) seems to be a natural. I have no clue about > where the Bs (or Cs--depending on which team's games are displaced) would > go in the other three markets. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Boston Radio Group" > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:38 PM > Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 > > > > When there are conflicts the C's go to WZLX. New network affiliates may >> have to be found in Springfield, Worcester, RI and Cape Cod. >> > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Sep 27 11:36:44 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:36:44 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (I will add I meant to say there are many music stations _on FM_ on Cape Cod which could carry the C's. Other options for Hartford exist too like some FM music stations, etc. And WTIC 1080, that longtime Sox affiliate, is owned by... CBS! Hmm! On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > OK: We know Entercom declined to re-up with the Celtics on the flagship, > WEEI, presumably for economic reasons (the team is not as popular, and not > doing as well, and they didn't want to commit). Now: > > --Entercom owns three of the four stations: WWEI-FM 105.5 Easthampton, > WVEI 1440 Worcester, and WVEI-FM 103.7 Westerly, RI. Entercom may want to > do the same with these--run talk with Mike Adams (and in some cases Red Sox > games when there are conflicts) > --The other is owned by Qantum I believe, WEII-FM licensed to Dennis. Who > knows if they would continue to run C's under the new Sports Hub Celtics > network. > > You're right, for all we know the Entercom stations in Western MA, the > Cape, > and Worc. may stay with the C's but maybe Entercom wants talk or the Sox. > It's up to Qantum to decide what they want on WEII. I thought maybe > Entercom > didn't want the C's to air on their other stations as well... > > WCRN may indeed be a good substitute for Worcester. Cape Cod? The two AMs > simulcast public radio and there are many music stations which could carry > the C's if WEII doesn't. Springfield/Hartford area, Clear Channel owns WPOP > 1410 (Fox Sports) and WUCS-FM 97.9 Windsor Locks (ESPN). Either could pick > them up, > and in Springfield Cumulus owns WHLL 1450 (CBS Radio; the calls refer to > the Basketball HaLL of Fame) > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> Why? Does Entercom refuse to carry PBP that originates at a CBS O&O? Or do >> contractual agreements with the Bruins prevent the existing Cs affiliates >> in >> Springfield, Worcester, RI, and Cape Cod from pre-empting PBP that >> conflicts >> with Bruins games? >> >> A Worcester affiliate (WCRN) seems to be a natural. I have no clue about >> where the Bs (or Cs--depending on which team's games are displaced) would >> go in the other three markets. >> >> ----- >> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) >> eFax 1-707-215-6367 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" >> To: "Boston Radio Group" >> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:38 PM >> Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 >> >> >> >> When there are conflicts the C's go to WZLX. New network affiliates may >>> have to be found in Springfield, Worcester, RI and Cape Cod. >>> >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Sep 27 13:03:46 2013 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:03:46 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 References: Message-ID: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> If I'm not mistaken, one of the two Public Radio AMs on Cape Cod (1170) is a daytimer, which would rule out any role for it as a home for either the Cs or the Bs. I might be wrong, though. Although I'm pretty sure that the Cape Cod station's directional pattern (nulled to the west), which was designed to protect WDIS (and incidentally protects Harold Camping's AM 1170 in northeastern CT), also does a pretty good job of protecting WWVA at night. Nevertheless, I believe that the Cape Cod 1170's transmitter site lies inside of WWVA's normally protected 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour, in which case the station would have to sign off at Wheeling sunset. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Now official, Celts to 98.5 > (I will add I meant to say there are many music stations _on FM_ on Cape > Cod which could carry the C's. Other options for Hartford exist too like > some FM > music stations, etc. And WTIC 1080, that longtime Sox affiliate, is owned > by... > CBS! Hmm! > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Sep 27 14:07:51 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:07:51 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> References: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: That's true, WFPB 1170 Orleans is a daytimer with a pretty weird pattern as seen in the illustration on radio-locator. (As for the other AM on the Cape, WBUR 1240 is to switch to Portuguese programming anyway. FCC approval is expected for a transfer to Alex Langer.) 1240, as WOCB, did carry the Red Sox for years. 1170 did briefly have the Yankees but day games only! Also as I understand it the first actual regular season game for the new Sports Hub Celtics Radio Network will be airing not on 98.5 but on WZLX 100.7... On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, one of the two Public Radio AMs on Cape Cod (1170) is > a > daytimer, which would rule out any role for it as a home for either the Cs > or the Bs. I might be wrong, though. Although I'm pretty sure that the Cape > Cod station's directional pattern (nulled to the west), which was designed > to protect WDIS (and incidentally protects Harold Camping's AM 1170 in > northeastern CT), also does a pretty good job of protecting WWVA at night. > Nevertheless, I believe that the Cape Cod 1170's transmitter site lies > inside of WWVA's normally protected 0.5 mV/m 50% skywave contour, in which > case the station would have to sign off at Wheeling sunset. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "Dan.Strassberg" > Cc: "Boston Radio Group" > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: Now official, Celts to 98.5 > > > (I will add I meant to say there are many music stations _on FM_ on Cape >> Cod which could carry the C's. Other options for Hartford exist too like >> some FM >> music stations, etc. And WTIC 1080, that longtime Sox affiliate, is owned >> by... >> CBS! Hmm! >> >> > From scott@fybush.com Fri Sep 27 14:48:12 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:48:12 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <5245D2EC.5060000@fybush.com> On 9/27/2013 2:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > That's true, WFPB 1170 Orleans is a daytimer with a pretty weird pattern as > seen in the illustration on radio-locator. Oy. Bob, you're killing me. :) WFPB does not have a "pretty weird pattern." Radio-Locator doesn't show patterns. As has been explained here and elsewhere more times than I can count, R-L shows an approximation of *coverage*, which is determined by the combination of the pattern radiated by the station and the effect that ground (and in this case water) conductivity has on the transmission of that radiated signal. If you want to see what a station's radiated *pattern* actually looks like, go to FCCInfo.com. When you do that for WFPB's day signal, you'll see a very, very simple two-tower cardioid pattern with the null at about 300 degrees and the bulk of the signal aimed south and east. I assume that when the Orleans station was designed, the only protection it had to provide was toward 1150 in Boston, and that's exactly where the null goes. Like any other station located immediately adjacent to a large body of salt water, WFPB's *coverage* (unlike its pattern) is indeed goofy-looking. But that's true even of stations with non-directional "patterns": take a look at R-L's "coverage" map of WBUR 1240 and you can see where the signal goes over salt water as opposed to over the non-conductive sandbar of Cape Cod itself. Other similar effects can be seen on the non-DA signals of WJDA, WESX and WMVX. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Sep 27 19:09:40 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:09:40 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: <5245D2EC.5060000@fybush.com> References: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> <5245D2EC.5060000@fybush.com> Message-ID: OK, coverage..I sit corrected! Thanks. Anyone remember the old magazine Radio Waves that was out in late 70s? (They even published an article about ratings hype by 17-year-old me). They had coverage maps, just approximate-guess ones and I've seen brochures for clients by stations showing their approximate signal coverage. Also some maps show up on sites for outlets like Vermont Public Radio, with approximate coverage areas for their 'News' and Classical networks. On Friday, September 27, 2013, Scott Fybush wrote: > On 9/27/2013 2:07 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >> That's true, WFPB 1170 Orleans is a daytimer with a pretty weird pattern as >> seen in the illustration on radio-locator. > > Oy. Bob, you're killing me. :) > > WFPB does not have a "pretty weird pattern." Radio-Locator doesn't show patterns. As has been explained here and elsewhere more times than I can count, R-L shows an approximation of *coverage*, which is determined by the combination of the pattern radiated by the station and the effect that ground (and in this case water) conductivity has on the transmission of that radiated signal. > > If you want to see what a station's radiated *pattern* actually looks like, go to FCCInfo.com. When you do that for WFPB's day signal, you'll see a very, very simple two-tower cardioid pattern with the null at about 300 degrees and the bulk of the signal aimed south and east. I assume that when the Orleans station was designed, the only protection it had to provide was toward 1150 in Boston, and that's exactly where the null goes. > > Like any other station located immediately adjacent to a large body of salt water, WFPB's *coverage* (unlike its pattern) is indeed goofy-looking. But that's true even of stations with non-directional "patterns": take a look at R-L's "coverage" map of WBUR 1240 and you can see where the signal goes over salt water as opposed to over the non-conductive sandbar of Cape Cod itself. Other similar effects can be seen on the non-DA signals of WJDA, WESX and WMVX. > > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 27 22:53:48 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 Message-ID: <1380336828.73936.YahooMailNeo@web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Other options for Hartford exist too like some FM music stations, etc. And WTIC 1080, that longtime Sox affiliate, is owned by...CBS! Hmm! WTIC has a long-term contract for UCONN men's and women's basketball.? No room for the Celtics. I also don't think CBS or Clear Channel would put the Celtics on a Hartford music station.? Not sure if there's enough interest for the Celtics here to justify blowing up a music format. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Sep 27 23:56:09 2013 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:56:09 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: <1380336828.73936.YahooMailNeo@web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1380336828.73936.YahooMailNeo@web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21062.21337.927379.669563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I also don't think CBS or Clear Channel would put the Celtics on a > Hartford music station.? Not sure if there's enough interest for the > Celtics here to justify blowing up a music format. I think Boston people greatly overestimate the interest that people from other parts of New England care about Boston, particularly the sports teams. In terms of fan base, Sox >> Pats > Bruins > Celtics, and that's been the case for as long as I can remember. -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Sat Sep 28 01:01:02 2013 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:01:02 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: <21062.21337.927379.669563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <1380336828.73936.YahooMailNeo@web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <21062.21337.927379.669563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5246628E.6020800@fybush.com> On 9/27/2013 11:56 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I think Boston people greatly overestimate the interest that people > from other parts of New England care about Boston, particularly the > sports teams. In terms of fan base, Sox>> Pats> Bruins> Celtics, > and that's been the case for as long as I can remember. Seems to me the last few years have edged it up to the point where Sox = Pats in most of New England, and depending on the year it might even be Pats > Sox these days. Had the Pats moved to Connecticut back when it seemed like a possibility, the story would be completely reversed now. But I completely concur that the level of interest in the Bs and especially in the Cs is quite limited outside the Boston and Providence TV markets, especially down into Connecticut where there's still a lot of lingering Whalers loyalty on the hockey side and where all the passion about basketball is focused on the women of UConn. Our esteemed moderator would probably also contend, and rightly so, that hockey loyalty in much of Vermont, northern NH and Maine also leans historically toward those guys from Montreal with the CH on their sweaters. s From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 28 02:02:41 2013 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:02:41 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> <5245D2EC.5060000@fybush.com> Message-ID: <52467101.4020600@attorneyross.com> On 9/27/2013 7:09 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > OK, coverage..I sit corrected! Thanks. > Anyone remember the old magazine Radio > Waves that was out in late 70s? (They even > published an article about ratings hype by 17-year-old me). They had > coverage maps, just approximate-guess ones and I've seen brochures for > clients by stations showing their approximate signal coverage. Also some > maps show up on sites for outlets like Vermont Public Radio, with > approximate coverage areas for their 'News' and Classical networks. I remember Radio Waves. I even thought I might have a copy, but it isn't where I looked, so I don't know whether I still have it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com From markwats@comcast.net Sat Sep 28 08:04:55 2013 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:04:55 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 References: <1380336828.73936.YahooMailNeo@web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <21062.21337.927379.669563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <667C8F142F8345E6A1BF5E9920E48629@MarkOTS3> Garrett Wollman wrote: > I think Boston people greatly overestimate the interest that people > from other parts of New England care about Boston, particularly the > sports teams. In terms of fan base, Sox >> Pats > Bruins > Celtics, > and that's been the case for as long as I can remember. Looking at the Red Sox Radio Network station listing on the WEEI website, if I counted correctly, there are 56 stations (counting flagship WEEI-FM) in 9 states. There are 4 stations outside New England listed as Sox network affiliates: WOFX Troy NY, WCKL Hudson NY (didn't they go dark?), KSGT AM/FM Jackson Wyoming and KDEF Albuquerque New Mexico. Is there enough of a Red Sox fan base in the Troy, Jackson and NM to make it worth it for these stations to carry the games? I know there are many (including one Scott Fybush) who get their Sox fix at night via the 50KW signal of WTIC. If there are conflicts with U Conn hoops (which would be in the Spring tournament time), does 'TIC dump the Sox to one of their co-owned stations? Looking at the Patriots Radio Network list for 2013, they show 37 stations in 7 states, all six New England states and 3 stations in Utica NY: WUSP AM/FM and WRCK. The three CT stations are Hartford (WUCS), Putnam (WINY) and New London (WMOS). No Southern or Western CT stations, as there's probably more Jets/Giants fans once you pass Hartford going South, West or Southwest. Surprises on the Pats' affiliates list: WFNQ Nashua and WNNH Henniker (both branded as Frank FM) are new this year to the network. Last year The WGHM/WGAM simulcast (900 Nashua/1250 Manchester) had the Pats. Also, WLNH and WEMJ Laconia are on the Pats' net. Mark Watson From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Sep 28 08:38:39 2013 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:38:39 -0400 Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 In-Reply-To: <52467101.4020600@attorneyross.com> References: <4E9F45156F724A80BAEAC2ED924052D3@SatU205S5044> <5245D2EC.5060000@fybush.com> <52467101.4020600@attorneyross.com> Message-ID: Donna probably has a few copies somewhere; some stations had bare bones listings while the likes of WHRB and WCRB had complete schedules. Only lasted a year or two (wish I'd saved) On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 2:02 AM, A Joseph Ross wrote: > On 9/27/2013 7:09 PM, Bob Nelson wrote: > >> OK, coverage..I sit corrected! Thanks. >> Anyone remember the old magazine Radio >> Waves that was out in late 70s? (They even >> published an article about ratings hype by 17-year-old me). They had >> coverage maps, just approximate-guess ones and I've seen brochures for >> clients by stations showing their approximate signal coverage. Also some >> maps show up on sites for outlets like Vermont Public Radio, with >> approximate coverage areas for their 'News' and Classical networks. >> > > I remember Radio Waves. I even thought I might have a copy, but it isn't > where I looked, so I don't know whether I still have it. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D.| 92 State Street| Suite 700 | Boston, MA 02109-2004 > 617.367.0468|Fx:617.507.7856| http://www.attorneyross.com > > From dillane@sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 28 14:12:06 2013 From: dillane@sbcglobal.net (Bill Dillane) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Now official, Celts to 98.5 Message-ID: <1380391926.91109.YahooMailNeo@web184903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >If there are conflicts with U Conn hoops (which would be in the Spring tournament time), does 'TIC dump the Sox to one of their co-owned stations? Sometimes there are UCONN football conflicts too. WTIC used to put the Sox on TIC-FM for conflicts, but not anymore. From dbroda@nycap.rr.com Mon Sep 30 05:58:11 2013 From: dbroda@nycap.rr.com (Douglas Broda) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:58:11 -0400 Subject: Radio Discussion boards In-Reply-To: <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> References: <8472D4E4A9FB493A80352C13E6EFB938@chrisHP> <9D60F7344667495B9930B1DBB5178BD8@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <52494B33.4010103@nycap.rr.com> One of the mods (I think the head one) has said, in sum and substance, we hear you but it's only been a month since we implemented this software, give us time. IMO, if you install new software (which I suspect was instituted to serve ads, as well as for other reasons, which is certainly fine) and your participation goes directly into the toilet (minimizing the value of said ads), you have a problem that needs quick action lest you never get those participants back. I commend to you what the esteemed Scott Fybush said so well at http://radiodiscussions.com/showthread.php?654437-Guys-I-m-sorry-but -- Scott's contribution, which is down the page, including both a reason new software was needed besides the ads and his wise thoughts on why the current situation is self-defeating. On 9/16/2013 6:14 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > A few days ago, in a private message, I complained to the moderator > (moderator may be the wrong title) of the RD Boston board about > exactly this problem. I suggested that, if he were not the right > person to field such complaints, he should forward my message to the > right person. I have not heard word one in reply. Very few people have > the time or energy to learn the intricacies of how to use new software > to perform functions that existing software had been performing > satisfactorily for several years. From my viewpoint, > RadioDiscussions.com has become a flat-out disaster. Is there another > board that one can join as a substitute for R-D that does not require > such a long learning curve? If so,I would welcome suggestions. > -- Douglas J. Broda Attorney at Law Post Office Box 239 Troy, New York 12182 (518) 272-0580 Fax (518) 237-0949 NOTE: I do not regularly read emails from this account, other than those sent to mailing lists to which I subscribe, in order to minimize spam. If you need to reach me quickly and do not have my other email address, please feel free to call me. From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 11:43:24 2013 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:43:24 -0400 Subject: Bose Speakers for TV? Message-ID: <6B25A83F6DC24E478744D8A88CB527D9@Desktop> I know many people love the Bose Wave Radio and other Bose products. I ntoice they are now offerring the Solo "TV Sound System". One of the problems I have with TV sound is soft dialogue and loud music. Wonder if this would help. One of the selling testimonials lines is: "I'd turn up the TV volume to hear the dialogue. And he'd turn it down because the music and sound effects were too loud. Over and over. What's funny is how quickly that problem dissappears when you have clearly better TV sound. Anyone have any experience with the Bose TV "Solo" Sound Systsem. Thanks! D From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Sep 30 14:03:21 2013 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:03:21 -0400 Subject: Jeff Brown leaves Entercom Message-ID: Nobody saw this coming. http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/122791/cumulus-atlanta-names-jeff-brown-vp-market-manager?ref=mail_bulletin From lglavin@mail.com Tue Sep 24 14:55:55 2013 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:55:55 -0400 Subject: WGBH-FM Adding RI Coverage? Message-ID: <20130924185555.174440@gmx.com> WGBH-FM in Boston takes NPR News at the top of the hour, and throughout the daytime at least runs about two or three minutes of locally-oriented news just like competitor WBUR. I've noticed lately when I've used WGBH (I choose between WBUR's "On Point" or WGBH's "Diane Rehm Show" depending on subject and guests) that the local news segment contains a Rhode Island news story or maybe more than one. Sometimes there's a Massachusetts tie-in, like the recently appointed Police Superintendent in Portsmouth, RI who is currently a Boston Police Ossifer. But most Rhode Island stories are strictly of interest to RI denizens, like the tainted water in Kent County. WGBH-FM's transmitter of course is south of Boston with about 100K so it comes in well in RI. But the Providence market has at least two news-talk stations (WPRO-AM & WHJJ-AM); I don't know how much news intrudes into Providence FMs. Is it possible that WGBH-FM is hedging its bets by trying to appeal to a broader population base than WBUR which seems to "own" Boston for news?