From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Mar 1 01:15:14 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:15:14 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47C8AE22.13190.6AF4EB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 29 Feb 2008 at 23:29, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > And Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office > assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. At least that could be turned off. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 06:47:33 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:47:33 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans In-Reply-To: <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com><4fc429770802290859n2b4ebd91g728bde7074e903fc@mail.gmail.com><9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D801063F92@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com><47C8567B.2000700@gmail.com>, <47C89A96.3040503@ttlc.net> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199B@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199D@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. >> Clippy (and its other incarnations) was hardly ubiquitous. Most people I know discovered the way to turn it off, or turn it into something more endearing, like a cat, which would act like a cat (IOW, sleep most of the time and not bother anyone). In Office 2007, the Office Assistants (Clippy et al.) are gone. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 1 09:36:55 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080229162957.EEC2649B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>, <002101c87b54$d75dd7e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> <47C8AE22.13190.6AF4EB@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <000e01c87ba9$dde4ada0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Not originally--at least that's how I recall it. I believe the ability to turn him off was added after some time on the market in response to, umm, popular demand. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans > On 29 Feb 2008 at 23:29, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > >> And Clippy, the ubiquitous paper-clip-shaped Microsoft Office >> assistant that everybody wanted to shoot. > > At least that could be turned off. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:04:01 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:04:01 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Message-ID: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the Dave Clark Five. DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 11:51:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 11:51:20 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Donna has to find Bruce somehow. If I remember the DC5 story right Bruce embraced them as he was still smarting from throwing a recording of another UK group in the trash months before they exploded. It was by some group from Liverpool. On 3/1/08, Doug Drown wrote: > >DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley > >at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were > allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. > > That was one of the things I liked about BZ. There were a lot of great Top > 40 stations out there (WMEX among them), but there was something about WBZ > that didn't quite fit the mold --- a little more, well, adult: a little more > sophisticated, a little more laid back. Even now I can't quite put my > finger on it. The freedom the DJs had was obvious, in retrospect. -Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > ; "Donna Halper" > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:04 AM > Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley > > > > Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the > > Dave Clark Five. > > > > DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce > > Bradley at WBZ. > > > > Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks > > were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after > > payola hit. > > > > We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was > > always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. > > > > Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing > > right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 12:07:29 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:07:29 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? Message-ID: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be down 50% from a year ago. The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 1 11:33:56 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:33:56 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley >at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. That was one of the things I liked about BZ. There were a lot of great Top 40 stations out there (WMEX among them), but there was something about WBZ that didn't quite fit the mold --- a little more, well, adult: a little more sophisticated, a little more laid back. Even now I can't quite put my finger on it. The freedom the DJs had was obvious, in retrospect. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Donna Halper" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley > Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the > Dave Clark Five. > > DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce > Bradley at WBZ. > > Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch > signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks > were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after > payola hit. > > We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was > always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. > > Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing > right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 12:47:10 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:47:10 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 11:51 AM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >Donna has to find Bruce somehow. And don't think I haven't tried, but there was a period of time when he didn't want to be found. Alcoholism is a terrible disease and some very brilliant people have been affected by it... I continue to try to search for him-- he was one of my faves during my college years. My other fave was Jefferson Kaye. The Hootenanny show he did on Sunday nights was one reason I went into radio. Some of the era's most outstanding local and national folk music. When he was fired by WBZ, the show was done temporarily by Ron Landry, who knew next to nothing about folk music and I became determined to do that show, but alas, I had no experience, so I tried to get on my college station... only to find they didn't put women on the air. A long story, but after being a board op for ages and ages, and learning to be a music director, I finally persuaded the PD at WNEU to give me a chance in October 1968... and the rest is, how shall we say, history. From sistersheila@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 11:31:49 2008 From: sistersheila@yahoo.com (Sheila McCarthy) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Message-ID: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I moved to St. Louis about 20 years ago and was surprised to discover Bruce on the air here. I wouldn't call what he did "right-wing" talk; more like curmudgeon talk. Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some of the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl DeSouza, Dave Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest ; Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 10:04:01 AM Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley Today comes word of the death of Mike Smith the lead singer of the Dave Clark Five. DC5 became a huge band in the US largely because of one man - Bruce Bradley at WBZ. Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band. Remember back then BZ jocks were allowed a little leeway in the playlist that was unusual after payola hit. We tend to forget just how powerful BZ was back then. Brucie was always proud he was #1 at night....in Baltimore. Years later it was a shock to my nervous system to hear Bruce doing right wing talk at KMOX in St. Louis. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 12:59:03 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:59:03 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> > 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the > transmitter lease? I was told by Eddie at a social occaision years back, that SNR wanted to sell him 1510AM...._as long as_ he bought two othe stations SNR owned as well. Eddie said the 2 other stations (he didn't specify) were dogs...and while he looked into making it work by purchasing the two other stations as well, he said in the end, the other 2 stations were an albatross that he didn't want. He said SNR would only sell 1510AM *with* the other stations. They wanted to make a 3 station deal.....and not sell 1510 individually. He said other than that he would have gone thru with the deal. From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 13:10:14 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:10:14 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C199F@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Bruce heavily played them in 64 when none of the other blowtorch signals would as he just loved the band.<< I hope you're referring to *local* blowtorch signals. WABC had four Dave Clark Five songs in their "Top 100 of 1964" list, each one of which spent one or more weeks at #7 or above, which meant they were in "heavy" rotation. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:08:16 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:08:16 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Disney I guess figured that ESPN and Radio Disney could survive the downturn being seen at most music outlets. In the case of WABC and WLS they may have not liked the older demographics the stations have. CBS at least has very strong all news stations that dominate many markets. However on the FM side they are bleeding badly. The internet has destroyed traditional music outlets through the downloading of music. Millions have become their own program director. What is worse is PPM's now confirm what everybody knew anyways that people tune out as soon as a commercial comes on. This is not new as people in cars have been pushing buttons for decades but now there is proof which will scare off advertisers. The major radio groups have enormous debt service to cover and this is what is killing Citadel right now. Print is even worse off as the cost of pulp and distribution continues to rise. Classifieds are pretty much extinct now and that was where the profits were. Just look at Boston. The 2 stations that bill the most are WBZ and WEEI as they both offer something you can't get anywhere else. Personality morning shows still hold an audience as listeners just are in the habit of waking up with familiar voices. However when Matty, Dorman and Lorne and Wally retire will listeners embrace new voices? From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 13:17:07 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:17:07 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. I don't think that's necessarily the case. I don't doubt for a moment that ABC Radio's financial position was made significantly worse by the separation from the rest of ABC. There weren't a whole lot of economies created in the Citadel merger, since Citadel was mostly a medium-market group and ABC Radio was exclusively a large-market player -- worse than that, a large-market player with mostly standalone (1 A/1 F) operations in major markets where all the major competitors have clusters. Can Citadel survive? Probably, in the sense that there could be a company of that name left in the end, although I don't think the Citadel-ABC marriage ever made any sense. I doubt it will survive, long-term, under the current ownership structure: the parts are more valuable than the whole. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Disney buying some of the pieces back at fire-sale prices, if Citadel goes under. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:18:38 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:18:38 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. Sid I was just saying Bruce and BZ were pushing DC5 for a good month before WABC went with them. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Mar 1 13:23:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:23:29 -0500 Subject: 890 References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC 1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal problems (since resolved, in the case of KMPC, which put a big nighttime power increase on the air just before the deal was closed), but since they are in the #1 and #2 radio markets, they might well have been priced beyond Andelman's reach. Allen absolutely DID want to sell the three to one buyer; that was widely reported. Ultimately, though, he sold to two buyers: KMPC went to a Korean (I think) group and IIRC, both WWZN and WSNR went to Peter Davidson--best known as a Hispanic broadcaster, but as WWZN shows, probably more correctly characterized as an opportunistic broadcaster who does whatever makes sense to pay the rent. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: 890 > >> 3. Didn't Andleman back off his interest in 1510 because of the >> transmitter lease? > > I was told by Eddie at a social occaision years back, that SNR > wanted to > sell him 1510AM...._as long as_ he bought two othe stations SNR > owned as > well. > > Eddie said the 2 other stations (he didn't specify) were dogs...and > while he > looked into making it work by purchasing the two other stations as > well, he > said in the end, the other 2 stations were an albatross that he > didn't want. > > He said SNR would only sell 1510AM *with* the other stations. They > wanted > to make a 3 station deal.....and not sell 1510 individually. > > He said other than that he would have gone thru with the deal. > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 13:29:49 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:29:49 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 01:18 PM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when >interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted >far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across >the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local talk show. Several things happened in his personal life that changed him gradually, and today he is by all accounts genuinely a moderate, with some very left-wing positions on issues like workers' rights and health care, and he does a very sincere progressive talk show. Prior to 2000, he was one of the most ardent and aggressive rightie talkers in radio. Go figure. The same is true of Keith Olbermann. Like him or hate him, people who know him much better than I do tell me that in the 70s, 80s, and even the early to mid 90s, he was mainly interested in sports. Yeah, he followed politics, but not in a particularly passionate way. Yet look at him today-- one of the most polarizing figures in media (along with his right wing rival Bill O'Reilly) and one of the most vehement leftie/progressive commentators out there. Colleagues of his who knew him in the 70s and 80s have been quite surprised by the transformation-- yeah, he was probably not a rightie even back then, but he wasn't exactly a big fan of politics either. He knew something about it, but all he wanted to talk about was sports. That was then... So, I don't know what radicalized Bruce Bradley-- when I knew him, during my college years, he was a moderate, on the rare occasions when he talked politics. I don't know if he was a Democrat or a Republican, but he absolutely was NOT extreme in any way. People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few years ago! From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 12:35:37 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Mar 1 12:39:52 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:39:52 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> You guys are the broadcasting pros; I'm an outside observer. So the question: What did ABC see coming? It was obvious at the time that the company was selling off its O&Os for a reason, while keeping the Radio Disney stations. And if ABC saw it coming, what keeps Clear Channel afloat? (Yes, I know they have sold/are selling a bunch of stations.) What keeps CBS Radio afloat? Or Cumulus? Just wondering what the differences are here. Doubtless I've missed something. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:45:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:45:34 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011045v6a53b10emd54a88471d266765@mail.gmail.com> In Chicago ABC has done everything to distance themselves from their former radio station. WLS-TV DT is shown in the smallest font possible and the station is simply known as ABC7 More details on the bloodbath in Chicago at WLS-AM http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sat-wls-radiomar01,1,3885207.story On 3/1/08, Sean Smyth wrote: > This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Mar 1 13:46:51 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:46:51 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: At 1:23 PM -0500 3/1/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC >1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal >problems ( I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty good signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still using the same facilities or has that changed? -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:47:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> I know someone who worked with Rush at the Kansas City Royals baseball team who claims back then Rush was actually very liberal. Rush is a salesman by trade ( that is what he did for the Royals ) and he made himself into something that sells. On 3/1/08, Donna Halper wrote: > And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful > progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of > the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local > talk show. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:50:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:50:19 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011050g78a66e25h50b366bf13660f04@mail.gmail.com> They cover Queens, Brooklyn and Nassau fairly well but not Suffolk County http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WSNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=D On 3/1/08, Larry Weil wrote: > I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty > good signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still > using the same facilities or has that changed? > -- > Larry Weil > Lake Wobegone, NH > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 13:50:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:50:40 -0500 Subject: Clear Channel Yanks Rush In New Orleans References: <20080228221532.CBAEB16427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com><53B8F553-DE94-4105-834C-ADB76C480F0F@charter.net><4fc429770802281517m2e874121i799ce60a7ffafaa1@mail.gmail.com><001301c87a78$c3b71940$e1f8a742@SatU205S5044> <20080229040032.1529B1B404F@relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <03b901c87bcd$6741b250$6501a8c0@s20208> >> And why will nobody in this town pick up Ed Schultz? ...because no one knows who he is....? From lspin@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 13:20:54 2008 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:20:54 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01c87bc8$feea4220$fcbec660$@net> These "familiar voices" didn't become familiar overnight. It took time to hit their individual stride and build their audience, as well as reputation. I'm not sure the current atmosphere of the radio business will allow for anyone to take the time to build an audience. That's unfortunate for us all. Hopefully, the pendulum will someday swing the other way. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Subject: Re: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? Personality morning shows still hold an audience as listeners just are in the habit of waking up with familiar voices. However when Matty, Dorman and Lorne and Wally retire will listeners embrace new voices? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:01:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:01:35 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.com> <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011047l5794a253y64e049b38f765976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011101k7941a356p4dc326bcd002cc22@mail.gmail.com> A page that lists who worked where in St Louis indicates Bruce has been off the air for 8 years now Bradley, Bruce KMOX 1986- 1992 WIBV 1992- 1993 KTRS 2000 http://www.stlradio.com/personalities.htm From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 14:14:17 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:14:17 -0500 Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google Message-ID: <4fc429770803011114h7712fa00kda592b29cd7e14c8@mail.gmail.com> I have never seen this happen on what is supposed to be a mainstream website Do a search for WWZN and Google leads you here http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.1510thezone.com/ From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Mar 1 13:33:40 2008 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:33:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this > morning > > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > > down 50% from a year ago. > > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. > > I don't think that's necessarily the case. I don't doubt for a > moment > that ABC Radio's financial position was made significantly worse by > the separation from the rest of ABC. There weren't a whole lot of > economies created in the Citadel merger, since Citadel was mostly a > medium-market group and ABC Radio was exclusively a large-market > player -- worse than that, a large-market player with mostly > standalone (1 A/1 F) operations in major markets where all the major > competitors have clusters. This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 14:38:20 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:38:20 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18377.45228.415141.695355@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > And if ABC saw it coming, what keeps Clear Channel afloat? (Yes, I know > they have sold/are selling a bunch of stations.) What keeps CBS Radio > afloat? Or Cumulus? I think in large part, the problems of Citadel/ABC Radio are specific to that group and to the way Citadel had been built. How these groups were assembled has a large impact on their balance sheets. Citadel, you will recall, was a public company ten years ago, then was taken private in a 2001 leveraged buyout, then went public again in 2004. The new, higher-debt Citadel then merged the new higher-debt ABC Radio upon its spin-off from Disney. To quote from Citadel's SEC form 10-K (filed yesterday): > In January 2001, Citadel Broadcasting Corporation, a Delaware > corporation, was formed by affiliates of Forstmann Little & Co. and > acquired substantially all of the outstanding common stock of our > predecessor company in a leveraged buyout transaction. [...] > On February 6, 2006, the Company and Alphabet Acquisition Corp., a > wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Merger Sub"), entered into > an Agreement and Plan of Merger with The Walt Disney Company > ("TWDC") and ABC Radio Holdings, Inc., formerly known as ABC Chicago > FM Radio, Inc. ("ABC Radio"), a Delaware corporation and > wholly-owned subsidiary of TWDC (the "Agreement and Plan of > Merger"). [...] > Prior to June 12, 2007, pursuant to the Separation Agreement by and > between TWDC and ABC Radio, dated as of February 6, 2006 and amended > on November 19, 2006 (the "Separation Agreement"), TWDC consummated > a series of transactions [...]. In connection with those > transactions, TWDC or one of its affiliates retained cash from the > proceeds of debt incurred by ABC Radio on June 5, 2007 in the amount > of $1.35 billion (the "ABC Radio Debt"). [...] > Also, on June 12, 2007, to effectuate the Merger, the Company > entered into a new credit agreement [...] with several lenders to > provide debt financing to the Company in connection with the payment > of the special distribution on June 12, 2007 immediately prior to > the closing in the amount of $2.4631 per share to all pre-Merger > holders of record of Company common stock as of June 8, 2007 (the > "Special Distribution"), the refinancing of Citadel Broadcasting"s > existing senior credit facility, the refinancing of the ABC Radio > Debt and the completion of the Merger. This is all from the introduction. According to a table later in the filing, the future liability from this debt amounts to nearly $4 billion. Later, in the MD&A, the Citadel management writes: > Operating loss increased approximately $1,380.6 million for the year > ended December 31, 2007 from $35.2 million for the year ended > December 31, 2006. The increased loss in 2007 is primarily the > result of an increase in asset impairment and disposal charges of > approximately $1,438.4 million. The asset impairment and disposal > charges are related to a continued deterioration in the radio > marketplace, the operating results of the ABC Radio Business and the > Company?s other radio stations and to a decline in the Company?s > stock price from the date of the Merger through December 31, 2007 Citadel's position is even worse than appears at first glance (and at first glance through the 10-K makes it look very, very bad), because as a part of the ABC merger, Citadel agreed to refrain from engaging in certain transactions -- including substantial asset sales -- that would affect the tax-free status (to Disney) of the ABC spin-off. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 14:40:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:40:27 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com > References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Someone asked about Carl DeSuze-- he is of course deceased. But somebody else asked me about Jim Sands and I had no idea. I lost track of him a few years back, but I used to love his oldies show. Is he still with us? From marklaurence@mac.com Sat Mar 1 14:53:57 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:53:57 -0800 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> <03f101c87bc3$4199b250$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803011008t584532d1k28f95e16baad60ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B91B152-0118-1000-FDD9-38C526DF1E69-Webmail-10023@mac.com> On Saturday, March 01, 2008, at 01:11PM, wrote: >What is worse is PPM's now confirm what everybody knew anyways that >people tune out as soon as a commercial comes on. This is not new as >people in cars have been pushing buttons for decades but now there is >proof which will scare off advertisers. I don't believe this is actually true. If you look at the actual PPM breakouts, radio is proving to be quite good at holding listeners through even lengthy commercial breaks. Another piece of conventional wisdom is that radio is losing audience to iPods, satellites, and other new media. It's not as much as you'd think: Total 12+ Boston market cume in the Fall 2007 book was up from the cume of 2002. Average quarter hours of listening were down, yes, but only 9% over a 5 year period, which is nothing compared to newspapers, local TV news, or prime time TV. >The major radio groups have enormous debt service to cover and this is >what is killing Citadel right now. This is the biggest problem in radio and a lot of other media. It's like the subprime mortgage crisis on steroids. In the past 10 years, mega- corporations have been buying small businesses with huge loans. Just as you can't continue to pay your household bills with credit, these businesses cannot continue to pay the huge interest payments with what used to be the business profits. >Print is even worse off as the cost of pulp and distribution continues >to rise. Classifieds are pretty much extinct now and that was where >the profits were. Actually, I think the bigger problem for print is also consolidation financed by debt. Twenty years ago many newspapers were family- owned and largely debt-free. Then they were bought out, by Gannett, Media General, McClatchy, etc., financed by huge loans at high interest rates. And because all this borrowed money was floating around, the prices and the interest payments have kept soaring. Until recently, that is. Doesn't this all sound just like the housing mortgage foreclosure story? Mark From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 1 15:52:53 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> I wonder though, how many "transformations" are due to "opportunitie$" as opposed to some "heartfelt" swing from right to left or left to right... -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:30 PM To: kvahey@comcast.net; Sheila McCarthy Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: Re: The clout of Bruce Bradley At 01:18 PM 3/1/2008, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I remember one night Bruce went nuts over the Supreme Court when >interviewing Fred Graham who covered the court for CBS. He was tilted >far to the right. He later was on a small conservative station across >the river in Illinois making Rush sound liberal. And that happens. Ed Schultz is one of today's most successful progressive/liberal talkers, but if you knew him before 2000, he was one of the most right-wing conservatives in the USA and did an ultra-rightie local talk show. Several things happened in his personal life that changed him gradually, and today he is by all accounts genuinely a moderate, with some very left-wing positions on issues like workers' rights and health care, and he does a very sincere progressive talk show. Prior to 2000, he was one of the most ardent and aggressive rightie talkers in radio. Go figure. The same is true of Keith Olbermann. Like him or hate him, people who know him much better than I do tell me that in the 70s, 80s, and even the early to mid 90s, he was mainly interested in sports. Yeah, he followed politics, but not in a particularly passionate way. Yet look at him today-- one of the most polarizing figures in media (along with his right wing rival Bill O'Reilly) and one of the most vehement leftie/progressive commentators out there. Colleagues of his who knew him in the 70s and 80s have been quite surprised by the transformation-- yeah, he was probably not a rightie even back then, but he wasn't exactly a big fan of politics either. He knew something about it, but all he wanted to talk about was sports. That was then... So, I don't know what radicalized Bruce Bradley-- when I knew him, during my college years, he was a moderate, on the rare occasions when he talked politics. I don't know if he was a Democrat or a Republican, but he absolutely was NOT extreme in any way. People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few years ago! From paul@derrynh.net Sat Mar 1 16:01:20 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:01:20 -0500 Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011114h7712fa00kda592b29cd7e14c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c87bdf$665ea020$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Looks like the /schedule page is redirected to http://phpclass.infopeople.org/kim/index.php which is an unfound web site, apparently -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:14 PM To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Subject: WWZN website pulled by Google I have never seen this happen on what is supposed to be a mainstream website Do a search for WWZN and Google leads you here http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.1510thezone.com/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 16:33:23 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:33:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <3B91B152-0118-1000-FDD9-38C526DF1E69-Webmail-10023@mac.com> Message-ID: <285431.56551.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> marklaurence@mac.com wrote: > Actually, I think the bigger problem for print is also consolidation > financed by debt. Twenty years ago many newspapers were family- > owned and largely debt-free. Then they were bought out, by Gannett, > Media General, McClatchy, etc., financed by huge loans at high > interest rates. And because all this borrowed money was floating > around, the prices and the interest payments have kept soaring. > > Until recently, that is. Doesn't this all sound just like the > housing > mortgage foreclosure story? It does, and the bubble is bursting for those of us on the print side pretty badly. I'm seeing lots of talented colleagues lose their jobs, and it stinks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 16:58:59 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:58:59 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> Donna Halper wrote: >My other fave was Jefferson Kaye. The Hootenanny show he did on >Sunday nights was one reason I went into radio. Some of the era's >most outstanding local and national folk music. When he was fired >by WBZ, the show was done temporarily by Ron Landry, who knew next >to nothing about folk music Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW (where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 17:01:45 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:01:45 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47c9d260.0c1e640a.1aae.12de@mx.google.com> Donna Halper wrote: >Someone asked about Carl DeSuze-- he is of course deceased. But >somebody else asked me about Jim Sands and I had no idea. I lost >track of him a few years back, but I used to love his oldies >show. Is he still with us? I never could get into him. I don't know if it's because his show was so 50s-centric, or just his very MOR-ish style. Wasn't he a Top 40 jock at one point? From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:02:18 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:02:18 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> <001801c87bde$38cec410$65bc3f18@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011602v72cb30bcpf07979889b6baab0@mail.gmail.com> In the summer of 1966 I visited Jeff Kaye one night at the glorious barn that WKBW called home. He wasn't going to tell a 16 year old all the details but his contract was simply not renewed. He did tell me he was hired by WPRO in Providence where Jeff had roots. Then Cap Cities offered him more money and management by going to WKBW. I remember he freely told his BZ listeners he would be in Buffalo the next week. BZ played hardball with announcers in those days. 2 years later they let Bob Kennedy go because he hired an agent. Kennedy was heartbroken to leave Boston and after a short period in LA became very popular in Chicago. He was all set to host what is now Good Morning America when cancer claimed him. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:08:47 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:08:47 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Sands was a very popular Top 40 jock at WLOB in Portland. There is an aircheck floating around the internet of a 1973 WNBC production of A Christmas Carol starring Imus and Sands is listed as the producer. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:32:06 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:32:06 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? From markwats@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 19:20:14 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:20:14 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com><03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com><20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Sands was a very popular Top 40 jock at WLOB in Portland. Prior to his WLOB stint, didn't Sands work at 1440 in Westbrook? They were a daytimer back then (mid-60's). Mark Watson From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Mar 1 20:18:21 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:18:21 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CA005D.8090502@ttlc.net> Jim Sands worked with Bob Fuller at WJAB (1440) in the early/mid 60's. WLOB (1310 am, 97.9 fm) was a sleepy Mantovani-ish station that signed off at midnight, was part of the "Lobster Network" and sponsored the S.P.C.E. (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Ears). In '65 (circa Len Barry's 1-2-3), they were purchased by Atlantic States Industries and with no warning to the listeners (other than a few innocuous announcements) they signed off on Sunday evening (as usual) to Ebb Tide by Frank Chacksfield & Orch. Monday Morning they signed on and rocked. They imported talent like Charlie Brown (Chares Mushara sp?) to do evenings, Allen E. Allen (Allen Emerson Fraser) to do mornings and the Chief Engineer Peter Gowan (from Brattleboro VT) pulled an air shift as Dr. Go. The early bumpers were a little over-produced, over-the-top and a tad sophomoric**, but they sure got people's attention. WJAB (a daytimer) just couldn't compete. Sands & Fuller both crossed the street to do mid-days & afternoons. Sands also did production. Some of the DJ's did personal appearances e.g. remotes and High School Dances. A local surfer (Joseph Oscar Shevenell Jr.) did a weekend oldies show as "Surfer Joe" Joe now runs a Hot Air Balloon company. We all know where Bob Fuller ended up. The studios were very minimal with equipment. Production studio was a closet with a turntable, a mic, a mixer, a cart machine and an Ampex 601. FM was 24/7 simulcast. News and DJ'ing were both done stand-up at the main console. ** e.g. weather intro: The WLOB meteorologist scans the skies for the up-to-the-minute climatological survey. DJ intro: And NOW straight from a record-breaking stay at the #1 station of the Pennsylvania State Police - it's Charlie Brown kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? > > > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Mar 1 21:29:58 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:29:58 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Steve wrote-- >Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the >dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ >hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW >(where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. Oh I heard him live that night-- it was hilarious!!! He'd go "I'm Jefferson Kaye on WB... NO!!! WKBW." They also sort of re-named him Jeffie Kaye... yawp! I heard he asked for a raise and they canned him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated brutally back then... From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 22:09:25 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301174720.2D225C1F6@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <47c9d1ba.0e36640a.155d.12a9@mx.google.com> <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803011909w4a11b3dck32c50a08f632616e@mail.gmail.com> Of course we can say jocks are treated brutally 40 years later. On 3/1/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >Steve wrote-- > >Was he fired? If so he landed on his feet really fast. If the > >dates of these airchecks are correct, he did his final WBZ > >hootenanny on Sunday 3/6/66 (pre-recorded), and debuted on WKBW > >(where he repeatedly says "WBZ") the following night. > > Oh I heard him live that night-- it was hilarious!!! He'd go "I'm > Jefferson Kaye on WB... NO!!! WKBW." They also sort of re-named him > Jeffie Kaye... yawp! I heard he asked for a raise and they canned > him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated brutally back then... > From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 1 22:37:23 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:37:23 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CA20F3.3020302@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > This baffled me as well. How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think. One of the interesting things about ABC Radio is just how distant it always was from ABC-TV, at least in the last 40 years or so. WABC/WPLJ in New York and KABC/KLOS in Los Angeles have almost never been co-located with their "sister" TV stations. In their most recent incarnations, WABC/WPLJ at 2 Penn Plaza and WABC-TV at Lincoln Center were 43 blocks apart. KABC/KLOS at La Cienega and KABC-TV in Burbank might as well be in different states. WPLJ's transmitter is in a completely separate space at Empire from WABC-TV; KLOS rents space from KABC-TV on Mount Wilson. WLS/WZZN in Chicago and KGO/KSFO in San Francisco operated out of the same buildings as WLS-TV and KGO-TV (and still do), but in a hands-off manner. The radio division actually paid rent to ABC-TV for the space, as Citadel still does. About the only example I can think of of cross-promotional synergy between ABC-TV and ABC radio outlets was the afternoon talk show that the late KGO-TV anchor Pete Wilson hosted on KGO radio until his death a few months ago. There was a little more synergy on the network level - ABC TV anchors and talent were heard fairly often on ABC Radio News, and of course if you go back a few decades you had Howard Cosell's radio show and such. ABC Radio News operates out of space in an ABC-TV building on West End Avenue. I don't know if they pay rent to ABC-TV or how that works. Perhaps if ABC had taken more advantage of radio-TV synergy, it wouldn't have sold the radio division...but I guess we'll never know. s From scott@fybush.com Sat Mar 1 22:43:33 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:43:33 -0500 Subject: 890 In-Reply-To: References: <546314.70748.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <02a701c87bc7$0f566e10$6501a8c0@s20208> <000d01c87bc9$5b8142e0$5eeda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47CA2265.8070903@fybush.com> Larry Weil wrote: > At 1:23 PM -0500 3/1/08, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> The other two stations (WSNR 620 Jersey City (New York City), KMPC >> 1540 Los Angeles) might be classified as dogs because of signal >> problems ( > > I remember from my days in the NY area that WVNJ 620 had a pretty good > signal (on Long Island) for a 5000 watt station. Are they still using > the same facilities or has that changed? 620 got pretty badly hosed, to use the technical term. In 1995, they lost their transmitter site in Livingston, NJ, where the land had become immensely valuable for residential development. When that site came down, 620 built the current "temporary" site in Lyndhurst (or is it East Rutherford?), near the 1190 site. While the five-tower array was nearly identical to the old Livingston array, it put its nulls over much more population. Most of north Jersey now can't hear the station because of the phasing in the tight nulls. Its best signal these days is over lower Manhattan, Brooklyn and southern Queens. It's one of the strongest AM signals on Coney Island. They've had multiple apps and CPs for new sites since then - there was a plan to go out west that was killed by wetlands issues, and there's been a plan to go just north of the WBBR 1130 site that hasn't come to fruition. s From martinjwaters@yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 21:51:31 2008 From: martinjwaters@yahoo.com (Martin Waters) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:51:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Donna Halper wrote, about Jefferson kaye: >I heard he asked for a raise > and they canned > him. As others have remarked, jocks were treated > brutally back then... > And that's different than now -- how? I'm thinking of how Moe Lauzier was just treated by the schmucks at WRKO. The Herald said he was told 15 minutes after he started his show by his producer that it was his last show. Producer probably means 25-year-old kid. So the overpaid executives couldn't be bothered to tell him themselves? Back in civilization on planet earth, even low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee he or she is being fired / laid off. They have policies and handbooks about how to handle it. Oh, don't get me started. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Mar 1 22:52:04 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:52:04 -0500 Subject: Darleen Wilson Message-ID: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Query for the local-music-scene experts out there.... Is the Darleen Wilson who now works for WGBH managing their Web site the same as the folk superproducer of a decade or two ago? -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:12:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:12:43 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012012m2bd78420tf0be051297e7f17b@mail.gmail.com> Just another reason why Jason is one of the most despised people in Boston media. and he is really loved at WGR Buffalo The sad thing about Jason is he really, really believes he is responsible for WEEI being the giant it is. The way Jason handled Rene Marchando just boggles the mind. On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Martin Waters wrote: > > > And that's different than now -- how? > > I'm thinking of how Moe Lauzier was just treated by > the schmucks at WRKO. The Herald said he was told 15 > minutes after he started his show by his producer that > it was his last show. > > Producer probably means 25-year-old kid. So the > overpaid executives couldn't be bothered to tell him > themselves? > > Back in civilization on planet earth, even > low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee > he or she is being fired / laid off. They have > policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > Oh, don't get me started. > > From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 23:20:22 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:20:22 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>How does WABC (AM) work without being tied into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think.<< It does just fine, thank you, and has for decades. As someone who worked for ABC in the 1970s, it was obvious even then that the brand of each station was powerful enough by itself to carry it strongly in the marketplace without having to rely on the other. Remember too that even back then, TV stations were rarely identified by their viewers by call sign. How often does anyone claim to have watched "The Tonight Show" on WHDH-TV? You have to get your head out of the broadcasting business mindset and think like a viewer/listener. They don't care what company is producing the programming they want, what company owns what stations or how those stations are identified. They only know how and where to find what they want. On TV, their favorite programming is tied to a channel number. On radio, it's a dial position. Other countries don't have the strict legal-ID rules that we have, and their listeners/viewers have no trouble at all finding the programming they want. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:34:02 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:34:02 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> Sid Still you have to concede that Channel 4 got a bump in the last year when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even include the number 4 in the logo. It has baffled me that in New York and Chicago where CBS has very strong AM news operations their local TV news lags badly. Most viewers do not connect CBS2 with WCBS WINS or WBBM On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Sid Schweiger wrote: > > >>How does WABC (AM) work without being tied > into a strong TV station such as WABC-TV? Surely, it can, but it's > nowhere near as efficient or strong, one would think.<< > > It does just fine, thank you, and has for decades. As someone who worked for ABC in the 1970s, it was obvious even then that the brand of each station was powerful enough by itself to carry it strongly in the marketplace without having to rely on the other. Remember too that even back then, TV stations were rarely identified by their viewers by call sign. How often does anyone claim to have watched "The Tonight Show" on WHDH-TV? > > You have to get your head out of the broadcasting business mindset and think like a viewer/listener. They don't care what company is producing the programming they want, what company owns what stations or how those stations are identified. They only know how and where to find what they want. On TV, their favorite programming is tied to a channel number. On radio, it's a dial position. Other countries don't have the strict legal-ID rules that we have, and their listeners/viewers have no trouble at all finding the programming they want. From sid@wrko.com Sat Mar 1 23:46:56 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:46:56 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Still you have to concede that Channel 4 got a bump in the last year when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even include the number 4 in the logo.<< Where's the proof of a cause-and-effect relationship? I can take any dozen statistics from anywhere and relate them to a dozen other statistics...proving absolutely nothing about one causing another. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 00:17:27 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:17:27 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Martin wrote-- > Back in civilization on planet earth, even >low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee >he or she is being fired / laid off. They have >policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > Oh, don't get me started. No, don't get ME started. I consulted in small and medium markets for more than 20 years, trained all sorts of good people, got new artists airplay, created interesting and unique sounding stations that got good numbers, won awards, etc etc... and then along came the Telecom Act of 1996 and every one of my client radio stations was bought up by a giant conglomerate, and I never even got so much as a phone call ever since (except from people wanting me to find them jobs). I watched something to which I had devoted my life get replaced by voice-tracking and syndicating the same show in city after city. And they shoe-horned in more commercials and cut local content, and then they were shocked, shocked when people stopped listening... What happened to broadcasting still breaks my heart... From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Mar 1 22:50:16 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:50:16 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C9BEC96-D083-46F1-A63F-590EDA38E13D@charter.net> The major market stations Citadel acquired from ABC/Disney are the ones that are the least profitable. Many of the people let go are longtime employees with larger salaries. Those are cuts Citadel made in their smaller markets long ago. Besides, local business isn't down as badly as national, so smaller markets aren't in as bad of shape as the majors are. Some stations like WPLJ, WLS and WJZW in DC have languished with mediocre to poor ratings for quite some time. Why Citadel didn't make more changes right after they bought these properties is beyond me. They're long overdue. If the red ink continues, they'll make cuts in the smaller markets as well, although there really isn't much left to cut. Look at Citadel/ Worcester. WXLO has live talent throughout most dayparts, but that station is their cash cow, and the jocks probably don't make all that much. WWFX is automated outside of mornings and they just hired a new morning guy who probably isn't costing them a lot. WORC-FM is automated as well. I'm sure they have a bare bones support staff by now and a small sales staff. Cutting a couple of small market salaries isn't going to help Citadel's bottom line. Providence could feel some pain. They've got Buddy Cianci on WPRO and he hasn't moved the ratings needle all that much since he got there. I'm sure he's not working cheap. You have several staffers at 790/99.7 the Score, which gets trounced in the ratings by the WEEI simulcast on 103.7. You have morning guy Giovanni at PRO-FM who has been with the station for over 30 years along with longtime PD Tony Bristol. Both of those guys must be making toward the top of the scale for that market. Even WWLI has several longtimers on their staff. That cluster could get whacked pretty badly. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:07 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Citadel is in big trouble. Their stock is down to $1.03 this morning > and yesterday they virtually eliminated the newsroom at WLS Chicago > and fired John Gambling at WABC. Revenue at WPLJ is reported to be > down 50% from a year ago. > > The morning show at WLS is rumored to be the next to go at it appears > WLS will be forced to carry Imus who never did well in Chicago. > > If they are making these kind of drastic cuts at the top it doesn't > bode well for their clusters in smaller markets. > > I guess in retrospect Disney saw it coming and bailed out. From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 2 00:47:56 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:47:56 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com>, <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47C9F93C.14601.763EEF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2008 at 9:35, Sean Smyth wrote: > Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Mar 2 00:47:57 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:47:57 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4fc429770803011018t640f261bh6bf09388927fd6b0@mail.gmail.co m>, <20080301182955.BEFDE1B401F@relay8.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <47C9F93D.31907.764027@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Mar 2008 at 13:29, Donna Halper wrote: > People's life experiences change them -- look at Dennis Miller, a > former leftie and libertarian and now an ultra-rightie. It's an > interesting time to be watching/listening to political commentary-- > the person delivering it may have been on the opposite side a few > years ago! Nor is this something new. Ronald Reagan, as president of the Screen Actors' Guild, campaigned for Harry Truman back in 1948. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Mar 1 23:45:50 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:45:50 -0500 Subject: Darleen Wilson In-Reply-To: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <18378.9316.315346.626010@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803012045w4ce044e7r389757fc94e7ca7d@mail.gmail.com> One and the same Garrett http://www.femmusic.com/interviews%202001/theproducers.htm On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Query for the local-music-scene experts out there.... > > Is the Darleen Wilson who now works for WGBH managing their Web site > the same as the folk superproducer of a decade or two ago? > > -GAWollman > From brian_vita@cssinc.com Sun Mar 2 02:13:28 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:13:28 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com>, <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> Sid Schweiger wrote: > when they went back to using WBZ in the newscast and don't even > include the number 4 in the logo.<< > > Where's the proof of a cause-and-effect relationship? I can take any dozen statistics from anywhere and relate them to a dozen other statistics...proving absolutely nothing about one causing another. > > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Brighton MA 02135-2040 > P: 617-779-5369 > F: 617-779-5379 > E: sid@wrko.com > Actually, growing up in this area WBZ had a stronger identity than "channel 4". The synergy between the radio and TV sides, at least to the public, made it work. We took it for granted that WBZ radio news and WBZ TV news were cut from the same material. All of a sudden calling it CBS4 made it sound like some corporate interloper had taken away one of our institutions. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Mar 1 16:52:25 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47c9d02c.131e640a.54da.ffff8d78@mx.google.com> Sheila McCarthy wrote: >Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some >of the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl >DeSouza, Dave Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? Didn't Carl deSuze pass away back in the 90s? Not sure about the rest...I think Dave Maynard's retired & living in Florida. From markwats@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 07:40:26 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:40:26 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> Sheila McCarthy wrote: > Since you brought up Bruce, can anyone tell me what happened to some of > the other AM personalities I remember from my youth: Carl DeSouza, Dave > Maynard, Larry Justice, Dave Supple, Tom Kennedy etc.? Tom Kennedy heads up the Kennedy Group, which helps executives develop communication skills. More about Tom and his company from their website: http://kennedygroupboston.com/index.htm Mark Watson From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 2 08:32:25 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:32:25 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 08:39:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:39:21 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> References: <485252.69152.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c87c62$9805b810$92a4764c@Mark> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020539t37be1c35s372af304f6e6e5f9@mail.gmail.com> Larry Justice was working weekends at WIOD in Miami up until 10 years ago. He left when the station was sold and the new owner cleaned house and became ultra right wing radio. WIOD was one of the best AM stations I have ever heard. They used to make fun of themselves on the ID for example The station that fired Larry King...WIOD Miami I got hooked on them as Cox simulcasted WIOD on WSUN in St Pete in the 90's. From dslrpierce@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 09:27:02 2008 From: dslrpierce@verizon.net (Dan Pierce) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:27:02 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com> <03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com> <20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> <4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01c87c71$7cd1ebe0$2f01a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> Pat was the Program Director at WNBC at that time. When I worked with him as his producer at WHDH in the early 90s he had a picture on his desk of Imus standing on Pat's desk at WNBC staring down at a bemused looking (and, of course, much younger looking) Pat Whitley. Dan Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 2 10:46:10 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:46:10 -0500 Subject: famous Jim Sands References: <4fc429770803010804k4444861br6df492454c14f7bb@mail.gmail.com><03d201c87bba$0c30aff0$6501a8c0@DougDrown><4fc429770803010851m17881ecr6d3caf080c6b28bd@mail.gmail.com><20080301194032.F354844C021@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com><4fc429770803011608s159dd77bnfe9d5e006e49b0d1@mail.gmail.com><00b101c87bfb$3100e890$77a0764c@Mark> <4fc429770803011632n18d02606pa966273f9a6172c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01c87c7c$8c51f730$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Whitley boasted on the air many times that he had been GM of WNBC. I don't know what years, but I believe he claimed responsibility for hiring Imus. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mark Watson" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: famous Jim Sands > Not sure about Westbrook but I did check and Sands was production > director at WNBC in the early 70's. That had to be an insane place > to > be then with Imus and Wolfman there. The Christmas Carol show also > lists Pat Whitley as a performer. Was Pat at WNBC? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 11:03:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:03:26 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? In-Reply-To: <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> References: <18377.40355.837108.594434@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <131907.63968.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A1@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <4fc429770803012034j69c710e1pf3e0c1a1e4a1cdb2@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A2@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <47CA5398.2050000@cssinc.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020803x3db73205p8e021f08b8275764@mail.gmail.com> Ironic part of WSKO's demise is that Citadel gave Entercom the idea of putting a signal on FM when they created WSKO-FM mainly as a place to put the Yankees as AM in those days had the Pawsox who are now on WHJJ. Not only did WEEI-FM destroy the WSKO audience it also caused a major hit in Citadel's bottom line when the Sox left WPRO. WLS is a mess. Chicago has never warmly embraced syndicated radio as Stern did so-so there, Imus never got cleared etc. WGN thrives because it is pure local and that is what the remaining AM listerners want. WPLJ should have flipped to oldies 3 years ago when CBS foolishly tried Jack-FM. Had they reclaimed the call WABC-FM they would be healthy today. Disney at least was smart in Chicago filling the void left by WJMK going Jack. Now CBS is stuck there. I fear WLS will become a larger version of Salem's WIND. From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 11:31:21 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:31:21 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020831w48afa390pfadcb98075613a11@mail.gmail.com> Donna Same is true in TV. It started in the early 70's when the FCC mandated the 7:30 to 8 slot be returned to local stations instead of network. While it was well intended it created the syndication monster. WCVB at first was one of the few stations that embraced the rule as intended and we still have Chronicle today. Local childrens shows vanished. My son never had a Rex Trailer, Bozo or Major Mudd to enjoy. Now in some markets you have master control hundreds of miles away from the transmitter. If there is an emergency in Buffalo how on earth is an engineer in Indianapolis supposed to handle it? Satellite distribution destroyed local radio followed by voice tracking software. I was stunned back in the early 90's hearing Dorman in Orlando and it sounded local. I really hope WCAP works as it might provide a model for other broadcasters. There should always be a place for news, sports and good local talk on radio but I fear the ship has sailed on music. On 3/2/08, Donna Halper wrote: > > >Martin wrote-- > > Back in civilization on planet earth, even > >low-life employers have a supervisor tell the employee > >he or she is being fired / laid off. They have > >policies and handbooks about how to handle it. > > > > Oh, don't get me started. > > No, don't get ME started. I consulted in small and medium markets > for more than 20 years, trained all sorts of good people, got new > artists airplay, created interesting and unique sounding stations > that got good numbers, won awards, etc etc... and then along came the > Telecom Act of 1996 and every one of my client radio stations was > bought up by a giant conglomerate, and I never even got so much as a > phone call ever since (except from people wanting me to find them > jobs). I watched something to which I had devoted my life get > replaced by voice-tracking and syndicating the same show in city > after city. And they shoe-horned in more commercials and cut local > content, and then they were shocked, shocked when people stopped > listening... What happened to broadcasting still breaks my heart... > > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 11:37:04 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:37:04 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> Message-ID: <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 09:09 AM 3/2/2008, Terry wrote: >Donna, the rep from Boston is responsible for that stupid piece of >legislation. No, actually Newt Gingrich and a whole bunch of both righties and lefties bought the argument that the Telecom Act would increase competition. Yeah right. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 12:07:49 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:07:49 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Sid, What you're saying is absolutely true --- even here in the rural area in which I live, which is dependent on newspapers for local news coverage. I'm a pastor. I know the habits of most of my parishioners, and it's only the older ones who read the papers regularly. (I would add that many in THAT demographic don't.) The Bangor Daily News has cut both staff and content several times in the past few years, and its circulation, while decent (it's the only daily in northern and eastern Maine), isn't what it used to be. The Waterville and Augusta papers are under joint ownership and are certain to merge eventually. Compounded with this problem is the fact that by and large, most of our local radio stations in our area don't do news, except for a morning drive rip-and-read. So I presume most people get their news from TV, the Internet, or filtered through the opinions of radio talk show hosts (which, up here, are all conservative). The scariest part of this scenario is that I suspect there are a lot of people who don't bother with the news much at all. -Doug >If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, >very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very >few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing >ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the >Internet . . . I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any >newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and >business models within five years will be out of business. I have a >feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and >shows no signs of reversal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>Print is hurting worse than this, believe it or not. Layoffs all > around yesterday, with massive cuts at the MediaNews-owned L.A. Daily > News and its other southern California papers, more cuts at the > company's San Jose Mercury News due next week, and major layoffs at > Tribune-owned Newsday (described as a "massacre" in Friday's N.Y. > Post). Everyone blames the Internet for print's problems; that doesn't > seem to be playing as prominent a role in radio's struggles. I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in yesterday's Herald about more layoffs at the Globe.<< If the statistics I've seen are any indication, newspapers are in very, very serious trouble. Their demographics are horrible (essentially, very few people under age 55 read a newspaper consistently), and they are losing ad dollars left and right to almost all other mass media including the Internet. If you look at the businesses which place all or almost all their ad dollars in newspapers, they're the large, institutional advertisers who can't cram what they want to advertise into 60- or 30-second spots, or banners on a web page...i.e., Sears, Macy's, JC Penney, etc. Business like that spend almost no money in electronic media, and many of them are in serious trouble because of it. One business consultant (in an article on AOL) is even predicting the demise of the three I named...*this* year. I've seen a few predictions from media consultants that any newspaper which doesn't make drastic changes to its distribution and business models within five years will be out of business. I have a feeling that's a bit exaggerated, but the decline is quite evident and shows no signs of reversal. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 12:26:19 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:26:19 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you see being read is the Metro. News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having thousands of newspapers at your desk. The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper headline about a story you didn't already know? From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 12:38:53 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:38:53 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> >Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper >headline about a story you didn't already know? Ah --- therein lies the future of newspapers, if they have a future. Yes, the headlines can be found elsewhere, and the papers are the last to make them known. But newspapers can cover stories in depth, particularly local stories, in a way that most other media can't (or won't). The question is whether most people want that. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Sid Schweiger" ; "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 12:49:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:49:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately Doug a person can get that after the fact analysis on their computer and not get ink on their fingers. It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you. You would hear a song on the radio and might buy it at a record store. and so it goes......... From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Mar 2 13:38:34 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? Pretty much every time I look at the front page of the MetroWest Daily News, for one. (Which is about twice a week -- whenever I'm in the supermarket.) I still don't have time to read the thing. These days, I don't even have time to read the national magazines to which I still subscribe -- I have more than a year's worth of back /New Yorker/s and /Atlantic/s that I haven't had time to read yet. (And, importantly, I don't have any more time to read them on-line than I do the dead-tree editions.) I would love to have more time to read -- particularly the Sunday papers, which aren't all that time-sensitive (most of the good stuff is in preprints) and tend to have the best reporting. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Mar 2 14:46:47 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:46:47 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Yesterday, actually. A full front page story in this paper (not the NY Post) about a Kenyan Tribal Chief fining Hillary Clinton for disparaging Barack Obama by distributing the Muslim garb picture thus bringing ridicule to Islam. The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a word about this on radio, yet. kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 14:55:09 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: Doug Drown Cc: boston Radio Interest Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you see being read is the Metro. News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having thousands of newspapers at your desk. The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper headline about a story you didn't already know? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:51:26 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:51:26 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021151m76945429s99f11012f804f901@mail.gmail.com> That was on the front page of the Post as well. Headline was MOOLA On 3/2/08, Roger Kirk wrote: > Yesterday, actually. A full front page story in this paper (not the NY > Post) about a Kenyan Tribal Chief fining Hillary Clinton for disparaging > Barack Obama by distributing the Muslim garb picture thus bringing > ridicule to Islam. The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I > haven't heard a word about this on radio, yet. > > > kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 15:07:42 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:07:42 -0500 Subject: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive? References: <4fc429770803010907i249923dey679331ab5e907ba8@mail.gmail.com>, <561879.80674.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47C9F93C.14601.763EEF@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <008701c87ca1$a1ac4660$6501a8c0@s20208> > I suppose broadcast journalists don't think print matters and print > doesn't want to report on themselves. But I did see an item in > yesterday's Herald... They read the Herald in Brookline? ;-) From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 15:12:40 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:12:40 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com><005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> > At 09:09 AM 3/2/2008, Terry wrote: > >>Donna, the rep from Boston is responsible for that stupid piece of >>legislation. > > No, actually Newt Gingrich and... Didn't this bill come out of Markey's (D-Mass) committee? From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 16:19:48 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:19:48 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021319u30a1029crf12988613eb5fd0f@mail.gmail.com> We see it in sports especially. The Herald would be unable to keep their sportswriters if they did not have the secondary income provided by radio and tv. The Globe had to work out a complicated arrangement with NESN that they partly own to avoid having to buyout Bob Ryan who they didn't want to lose but NY wanted him off the books at the Globe. The Times owns a piece of NESN and now Ryan has the same free lance status that Bud Collins has had for years. Felger and Callahan have the same status and I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to Howie Carr. The Providence Journal could never afford to keep Sean McAdam if it wasn't for his outside income. Lawrence Eagle-Tribune couldn't afford to keep Russ Conway who was the most connected hockey writer in the country. Jim Baker does his old Herald media column in Nashua. Monica Collins has vanished completely. One huge problem for newspapers now and TV news as well. The instutional memory is gone. On 3/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio > and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "kvahey@comcast.net" > To: Doug Drown > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 16:35:01 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) Message-ID: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I know from dealing with various radio and TV outlets that the writers can't wait to get on the air as guests, and that certain ones are just waiting to be named as hosts of their own shows. Some will still be waiting 5 years from now, but there's always hope! I guess we could have said we saw it coming 35 years ago, when the original Herald-Traveler sold out to the Record-American (and became the Herald-American) after the Herald lost the channel 5 license and WHDH AM/FM were spun off seperately. The revenue from TV sustained the whole business. I'm guessing the Herald is on life # 8-1/2 at this point and I can't see anyone bailing them out this time. ----- Original Message ---- From: "kvahey@comcast.net" To: Maureen Carney Cc: kvahey@comcast.net; Boston Radio Group Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 4:19:48 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) We see it in sports especially. The Herald would be unable to keep their sportswriters if they did not have the secondary income provided by radio and tv. The Globe had to work out a complicated arrangement with NESN that they partly own to avoid having to buyout Bob Ryan who they didn't want to lose but NY wanted him off the books at the Globe. The Times owns a piece of NESN and now Ryan has the same free lance status that Bud Collins has had for years. Felger and Callahan have the same status and I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies to Howie Carr. The Providence Journal could never afford to keep Sean McAdam if it wasn't for his outside income. Lawrence Eagle-Tribune couldn't afford to keep Russ Conway who was the most connected hockey writer in the country. Jim Baker does his old Herald media column in Nashua. Monica Collins has vanished completely. One huge problem for newspapers now and TV news as well. The instutional memory is gone. On 3/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > And notice how many newspaper columnists and writers are flocking to radio > and TV. Newspapers are used for background info, if that, these days. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "kvahey@comcast.net" > To: Doug Drown > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:26:19 PM > Subject: Re: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) > > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. > > The Boston papers were wounded by the loss of Filenes which reduced > the number of full page ads. Classifieds are virtually extinct. I > doubt the Herald will be around in 2 years. They have been dropping > comic strips like Wizard of Id because they can't afford them. > > Ask yourself this question? When was the last time you saw a newspaper > headline about a story you didn't already know? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 16:30:44 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:30:44 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <939081.23841.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4fc429770803021319u30a1029crf12988613eb5fd0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011801c87cad$9fc25a40$6501a8c0@s20208> > Monica Collins has vanished completely. Monica is keeping herself busy doing her "Dog Lady" column which appears in many small papers here in Vermont. http://www.askdoglady.com/ From sid@wrko.com Sun Mar 2 16:55:14 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:55:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19AA@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> >>It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you.<< Reverse that, and you understand why most afternoon newspapers were out of business (or switched to mornings) by the time the 1970s were half-finished. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 17:03:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:03:14 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <33513.3140.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021403k746c4c55y5c9ebf8455a9d42e@mail.gmail.com> Pat Purcell has been reported to have put the Herald's land in the South End up for sale. In Chicago the Sun-Times is about to go under. Granted they were robbed blind by Conrad Black but they have in the past few weeks contracted with the Tribune to print and distribute the paper including home delivery. The paper itself is expected to be bought by Drew Singleton and look at how he has slashed the Lowell Sun and Berkshire Eagle. What I find amusing is how TV stations say news is so expensive to produce today. Really? 40 years ago stations had to use film and processing and editing costs were enormous. Then you had full studio crews working cameras, mike booms, and all kinds of hidden costs. The networks spent a small fortune on shipping film to NY and then having it rushed to Manhattan by motorcycles. Jack Crowley who worked at the old Channel 5 and then 7 as a film cameraman once told me his bosses were concerned at how much wasted film he shot at a Sox game and told him to just shoot the runs. LOL From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:12:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:12:23 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a > word about this on radio, yet. // If I had a dime for every "You pay me in cows" story, I'd be eating name-brand cereal. Bovine intervention is the typical standing sub-head. Works every time. Bill O'Neill // From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 17:24:08 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:24:08 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> Sid Absolutely in fact the last pure evening paper in the US just folded a couple of months ago in Cincinnati. Their circulation had dropped to 20,000. When I was a kid my parents got the Herald in the morning delivered and my Dad would bring the Traveler home. Then every night I would go to the corner drug store to get my Mom the PAYOFF edition of the Record so she could see if she won with the bookie number. The Globe was only bought on Sunday and that is because they took most of the Sunday comics from the folded Post. The largest retailer in the US does not heavily advertise in print (Wal-Mart). At another level look how thin the Phoenix has gotten. I agree as bleak as radio looks print is ten times worse. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sun Mar 2 17:32:20 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:32:20 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <005c01c87c8c$49085e50$6501a8c0@DougDrown>, <4fc429770803020949s771423f2hb26ef8e3d0bffe62@mail.gmail.com> <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19AA@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <016801c87cb5$4805e5d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> Think of it: When I was growing up in the '50s, Boston had seven daily newspapers (that I can remember) and maybe eight: The Morning Globe, the Evening Globe, the Daily Record, the Herald, the Traveler, the American, and, until 1956, the Post. I can't recall whether the Post had both morning and evening editions (Anyone --?). I guess you could throw in the Christian Science Monitor, too, which you could buy on the newsstands back then. And what's left? . . . At the same time, the city had only a relative handful of radio stations, all doing live, in-house broadcasting: WEEI, WNAC, WTAO, WHDH, WORL, WBZ, WCOP, WEZE, WMEX, and WBOS --- plus, within a few miles around the periphery, WJDA, WCRB and WHIL. All of them broadcast news on a regular basis, most of them hourly. Several were network affiliates. FM was barely a blip in the public consciousness: WGBH was around, along with WXHR and WBCN; most other FMs that I recall simulcast their AM counterparts. Boy, how the world has changed. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: RE: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) >>It used to be so simple. You would wake up with a newspaper and then 12 hours later Uncle Walter would update you.<< Reverse that, and you understand why most afternoon newspapers were out of business (or switched to mornings) by the time the 1970s were half-finished. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF/WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Mar 2 17:34:44 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:34:44 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com><47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> a) You are in Vermont, where there are allegedly more cows than people. b) Neither you nor anyone else I've noticed has mentioned Hillary's early (and highly publicized) investment in cattle futures that supposedly netted her an overnight profit of $100,000 on an investment of substantially less than $100,000. (ISTR she was reported to have put only about $10,000 into the deal, which, if true, means that she really knew how to, umm, milk those cows for huge profits. Of course the story could be largely, well... you know.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Roger Kirk" Cc: "boston Radio Interest" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper survival > Roger Kirk wrote: >> The fine was stipulated to be paid in cows. And, I haven't heard a >> word about this on radio, yet. // > > If I had a dime for every "You pay me in cows" story, I'd be eating > name-brand cereal. Bovine intervention is the typical standing > sub-head. Works every time. > > Bill O'Neill > // From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 17:41:49 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:41:49 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com><47CB0427.2080608@ttlc.net> <47CB2647.4070706@gmail.com> <000b01c87cb5$9e952b40$13eca644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47CB2D2D.7090505@gmail.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > a) You are in Vermont, where there are allegedly more cows than > people. You are correct, sir. Shoreham has a human population of 1,100 with far more head of cattle than that. Although some may suggest that a few cattle at Town Meeting could actually bring about cultural increase. > b) Neither you nor anyone else I've noticed has mentioned Hillary's > early (and highly publicized) investment in cattle futures I tore out that page from Vince Foster's playbook. Now, back to your regularly scheduled radio programme. b - From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Mar 2 18:13:11 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:13:11 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770803021513r70a92bd4vdf4ec33f83cb9555@mail.gmail.com> Scott may know the background better than myself on this. About 30 years ago the Buffalo Evening News where WBEN got its calls from sensed trouble. They reinvented themselves as The Buffalo News and soon the morning Courier-Express was toast. Now I can't remember if the paper sold channel 4 when it became WIVB or just let radio keep the calls. The Courier while not owning a TV station did own the Buffalo cable franchise (Courier Cable) which wound up being owned by Aldelphia which turned disastrous and almost cost the city their beloved hockey team. From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 17:55:57 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:55:57 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> <18378.62506.988099.152698@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770803021424u182397b7r4534918e7b5d447a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB307D.1030504@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > Sid > > Absolutely in fact the last pure evening paper in the US just folded a > couple of months ago in Cincinnati. Their circulation had dropped to > 20,000. Not disputing Kevin's general thrust, but as sad as the demise of the Cincy Post was, it wasn't quite the end of the afternoon paper. In fact, another one, the Albuquerque Tribune, just breathed its last a week ago. There are still a few others left standing, under joint operating agreements (the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel in Indiana, for instance, or the Tucson Citizen) or as co-owned sister stations to morning dailies (the Wheeling, West Virginia News-Register). I'm pretty sure there are no longer any communities that have a morning daily and a competing afternoon daily under entirely separate ownership. In most such cases, the former afternoon daily has gone to morning publication at some point (i.e. the Honolulu Star-Bulletin). s From billohno@gmail.com Sun Mar 2 19:07:42 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:07:42 -0500 Subject: News Content Message-ID: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> The scaling back of good old fashioned beat and political reporting has had a big impact on the diminishing of local news content for a long time, especially local Boston city news. Even in the 80s I was surprised at the paucity of reporting on the Boston City Counsel and Boston School Board. Forced busing faded in the 70s and nothing seemed to take its place. When I read Howie Carr's book last year one question that kept creeping in was "Why didn't we know about this stuff?" other than the key events that would involve court activity. Regional news seemed to take more of the leads while smaller cities like Lowell and Haverhill had the benefit of their local signals providing hometown political news. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From scott@fybush.com Sun Mar 2 19:28:06 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:28:06 -0500 Subject: News Content In-Reply-To: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> References: <47CB414E.7040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CB4616.8020805@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > The scaling back of good old fashioned beat and political reporting has > had a big impact on the diminishing of local news content for a long > time, especially local Boston city news. Even in the 80s I was > surprised at the paucity of reporting on the Boston City Counsel and > Boston School Board. Forced busing faded in the 70s and nothing seemed > to take its place. When I read Howie Carr's book last year one question > that kept creeping in was "Why didn't we know about this stuff?" other > than the key events that would involve court activity. Regional news > seemed to take more of the leads while smaller cities like Lowell and > Haverhill had the benefit of their local signals providing hometown > political news. A great example of this is in Garrett's backyard. When I was an intern at WKOX circa 1990, we were out covering all manner of night meetings, not only in Framingham but as far afield as Southborough and Marlborough and Weston. Needless to say, no radio stations are covering those meetings now. I presume the Middlesex News, er, MetroWest Daily News, still covers them. But even the newspapers aren't what they used to be. Our Gannett daily here in Rochester still tries to be fairly comprehensive, but the combination of stripped-down staffing, buyouts that drained most of the experienced staffers from the newsroom, and a shift in priorities that favors a bunch of (IMHO) gimmicks such as "interactive" websites and advertiser-driven specialty sections has resulted in a watered-down news package compared to the old days. Here's a particular example: the business section, which has borne the brunt of many cutbacks, ran an article a few weeks back about the move of the old-line Jewish funeral home in town from its longtime building in the old neighborhood in the city (imagine Blue Hill Avenue for an apt Boston comparison) to the suburbs. On its face, it was a fine article - but it completely missed every bit of nuance that anyone with any history in the community would have known. It turns out that one big reason for the move to the 'burbs was stiff competition from a new Jewish funeral home that opened in suburbia a few years back, run by a former employee of the old home. Not a word of that made it into the story, nor was there a word about the family that had owned the old home between its founders and its recent purchasers. The result was an article that would have been completely unsatisfying to anyone to whom it would have had meaning, and would have been of no value to anyone else. And don't get me started on the "Living" section that's now almost entirely syndicated fluff, or the editorial page's bizarre obsession with rap music lyrics... s From marklaurence@mac.com Sun Mar 2 19:29:46 2008 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:29:46 -0500 Subject: Newspaper survival (was: Can Citadel Broadcasting survive?) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B909C2A07C07B4C88A0A7D5293546D8010C19A4@ENTCORMB2.etmcorad.com> <003b01c87c87$f23507d0$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <4fc429770803020926j13ead4dxb2375a62277b5890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18C54423-57FB-49F2-9E47-C23B07825F50@mac.com> On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:26 PM, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > It is a little scary to be on the subway and the only newspaper you > see being read is the Metro. > > News junkies today are flocking to Google News which is like having > thousands of newspapers at your desk. The problem is, every one of those thousands of newspapers is getting weaker all the time. Online readers used to be able to choose from dozens of major papers with national and foreign correspondents. Now it's just a handful in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Washington, and very few others. Even those papers are cutting back sharply. Someday, bloggers who are starved for meaningful links will look back on these as the golden years. From dlh@donnahalper.com Sun Mar 2 20:23:04 2008 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:23:04 -0500 Subject: The clout of Bruce Bradley In-Reply-To: <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <20080302023005.570041B402A@relay7.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <479290.90817.qm@web39113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080302051733.9FD6E1CFE97@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <005601c87c6f$105aa850$0202a8c0@OPZT3SQCQXSI1V> <20080302163715.940551E9D04@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <00a501c87ca2$140076a0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: <20080303012311.598871B4002@relay9.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com> >>it was asked-- > >Didn't this bill come out of Markey's (D-Mass) committee? This is a very long story that began with the deregulation of the industry throughout the 1980s, and culminated with Markey's committee in the 90s. The righties under Reagan got it started, and then the