From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jan  1 11:51:37 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:51:37 -0500
Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction
Message-ID: <18298.28569.804348.4505@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

I have more photos of the WUNR etc. construction progress at
<http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2007-12/wunr/>.  (Sniff! The very last
photo gallery of 2007!)  Thanks to Grady Moates for coming in on
Sunday to show me around.

-GAWollman


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jan  1 12:24:00 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:24:00 -0500
Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction
References: <18298.28569.804348.4505@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000601c84c9b$1adca9d0$baeda644@SatU205S5044>

Hi, Garrett: Is there room in the building for a) a  backup generator
and b) auxiliary transmitters? If the answer to b) is "no," are the
transmitters "self-sparing?" (Meaning, are the transmitters designed
so that each one is, in effect, two transmitters, each rated for
approximately half the normal output power, with provisions for
operating the working portion at half power while repairs are made to
the failed portion?) With all of the dough that has gone into this
installation and despite the onerous conditions on the building
configuration imposed by the City of Newton, I would think that
station ownership would have insisted on some such requirement. WKOX's
Framingham site may remain operational indefinitely, I suppose, and if
so, in the absence of a backup plan for the Newton site, CCU would
doubtless get it licensed as an auxiliary site, but while the 10 kW
day facilities may prove adequate as a backup, the 1 kW-N really will
not cut it. As for WRCA, I'm sure that the plan is to remove the
towers in Waltham ASAP, perhaps even before the license to cover has
been granted for the Newton facility. And WUNR has no backup site at
all, though if Champion really wanted to spend the $$$ (doubtful), one
might be constructed, I suppose, at the WXKS site at 99 Revere Beach
Parkway.

-----
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction


>I have more photos of the WUNR etc. construction progress at
> <http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2007-12/wunr/>.  (Sniff! The very
> last
> photo gallery of 2007!)  Thanks to Grady Moates for coming in on
> Sunday to show me around.
>
> -GAWollman
>


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jan  1 14:57:49 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:57:49 -0500
Subject: WUNR/WKOX/WRCA construction
In-Reply-To: <000601c84c9b$1adca9d0$baeda644@SatU205S5044>
References: <18298.28569.804348.4505@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<000601c84c9b$1adca9d0$baeda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18298.39741.382562.325067@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:24:00 -0500, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> Hi, Garrett: Is there room in the building for a) a  backup generator
> and b) auxiliary transmitters?

(a) No.

(b) Only if they can fit in the rack below the HD importer and antenna
controller.  As I mentioned, the BE AM-5E that WUNR is currently using
will remain as a backup.  Neither WRCA's old Harris DX-10 nor WKOX's
new BE AM-10A would fit in the building.

> If the answer to b) is "no," are the transmitters "self-sparing?"

BE's 4MX tranmsitters are modular in design.  The company claims that
most common faults will be isolated to a single module, which can be
taken out of service automatically, without disruption to the signal.

> WKOX's Framingham site may remain operational indefinitely, I
> suppose,

It can't, since 1200 can't city-grade Newton from Framingham.[1] I
don't think WKOX's NIF on the 1-kW rig even hits Newton.  Grady is
eager to get 1200 out of Mt. Wayte so he can put IBOC on 1060 (the
current combiner isn't broadband enough, but could be if 1200 were
removed).

-GAWollman

[1] I'm not sure if the FCC applies this rule to AMs, but for FMs at
least the protected contour of an auxiliary transmitter must be entirely
within the protected contour of the main transmitter.  That's why, for
example, all of the Seattle FM backups on Cougar are directional.

From billohno@gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 10:14:53 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:14:53 -0500
Subject: NERW WOW
Message-ID: <477BAA6D.4030400@gmail.com>

If you haven't checked out Scott Fybush's year in review, spin your 
dial... I mean click your mouse on over there. About as definitive a 
review as you could ask for.   www.fybush.com/nerw.html

Bill O'Neill


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From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 13:34:04 2008
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:04 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0801021034q510e00des6a4cb28c42a6da65@mail.gmail.com>

First it was noticed that Clear Channel registered the domain
kiss953.com and had a page up suggesting that the
seacoast NH area station WUBB (lic. to York Center, ME) might become a
Kiss 108 clone (it also suggested that Matty
in the Morning would be carried, and a weather page linked to a
forecast for Portsmouth NH). Then the page
went blank. Now it's back up and saying "coming soon--Sports"...with a
link to MSN/Fox Sports (Fox
Sports Radio is syndie by Clear Channel's Premiere Radio). Something's going on.

The signal does reach into northern Essex County (a bit further south
it's trumped by WHRB)

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Jan  2 13:50:47 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:50:47 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
Message-ID: <20080102185047.B87291BF2A3@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Nelson" 
>To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
>Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:04 -0500

>First it was noticed that Clear Channel registered the domain
>kiss953.com and had a page up suggesting that the
>seacoast NH area station WUBB (lic. to York Center, ME) might become a
>Kiss 108 clone (it also suggested that Matty
>in the Morning would be carried, and a weather page linked to a
>forecast for Portsmouth NH). Then the page
>went blank. Now it's back up and saying "coming soon--Sports"...with a
>link to MSN/Fox Sports (Fox
>Sports Radio is syndie by Clear Channel's Premiere Radio). 
>Something's going on.
>The signal does reach into northern Essex County (a bit further south
>it's trumped by WHRB)

Phooey...it's NOT trumped enough by WHRB;  the latter's signal is a mess
in the Merrimack Valley due to WUBB as well as on the North Shore.  On those
rare occasions when ratings for the Seacoast Region of NH appear, WUBB's
number is minimal for inclusion inasmuch as it competes with WOKQ.  The
real tragedy is the fact that Harvard was so lackadaiacal about its licensed station
that they let an outlet go on the air on 95.3 in Southern Maine in the first place.
At that time, they were broadcasting from the stick atop the bank building in Harvard
Square.  If they had moved to Murray St. Medford when WEEI-FM vacated that site, 
there probably wouldn't be a WUBB!

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From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Jan  2 15:03:55 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:03:55 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <20080102185047.B87291BF2A3@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080102185047.B87291BF2A3@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18299.60971.749019.167700@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:50:47 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com> said:

> real tragedy is the fact that Harvard was so lackadaiacal about its
> licensed station that they let an outlet go on the air on 95.3 in
> Southern Maine in the first place.

They probably didn't have any choice.  At a separation of 115 km, WUBB
is (was) deemed by the FCC not to interfere with WHRB.  It could be
moved even closer with section 73.215 contour protection.

-GAWollman

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:25:07 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:25:07 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
Message-ID: <20080102202507.A116D1CE7A8@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Garrett Wollman" 
>To: "Laurence Glavin" 
>Subject: Re: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:03:55 -0500

< said:

> real tragedy is the fact that Harvard was so lackadaiacal about its
> licensed station that they let an outlet go on the air on 95.3 in
> Southern Maine in the first place.

>They probably didn't have any choice. At a separation of 115 km, WUBB
>is (was) deemed by the FCC not to interfere with WHRB. It could be
>moved even closer with section 73.215 contour protection.
>-GAWollman

Ah, but would that have been the case if the WHRB stick was on Murray Street,
Medford, a hilltop location NE of Boston?  


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From wollman@bimajority.org  Wed Jan  2 15:33:42 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:33:42 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <20080102202507.A116D1CE7A8@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080102202507.A116D1CE7A8@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18299.62758.944220.845923@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:25:07 -0500, "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com> said:

>> [I wrote:]
>> They probably didn't have any choice. At a separation of 115 km, WUBB
>> is (was) deemed by the FCC not to interfere with WHRB. It could be
>> moved even closer with section 73.215 contour protection.

> Ah, but would that have been the case if the WHRB stick was on Murray Street,
> Medford, a hilltop location NE of Boston?  

Yes.  They might have had to find a different Maine or New Hampshire
town to license it to, but 95.3A York Center was allocated at
*exactly* the minimum distance from 95.3A Cambridge's reference
coordinates.  If WHRB had been in Medford, a few miles north of its
current location, then the Maine allocation would have had to be a few
miles farther north than it is.

-GAWollman

From scott@fybush.com  Wed Jan  2 16:13:30 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:13:30 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <18299.62758.944220.845923@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20080102202507.A116D1CE7A8@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
	<18299.62758.944220.845923@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <477BFE7A.4040205@fybush.com>

Garrett Wollman wrote:

>> Ah, but would that have been the case if the WHRB stick was on Murray Street,
>> Medford, a hilltop location NE of Boston?  
> 
> Yes.  They might have had to find a different Maine or New Hampshire
> town to license it to, but 95.3A York Center was allocated at
> *exactly* the minimum distance from 95.3A Cambridge's reference
> coordinates.  If WHRB had been in Medford, a few miles north of its
> current location, then the Maine allocation would have had to be a few
> miles farther north than it is.

It probably could still have been licensed to York Center. Only the 
"reference coordinates" for the allocation have to meet the minimum full 
spacings of 73.207, and once the reference coordinates have been 
established, the transmitter itself can go in a short-spaced location 
via the magic of 73.215.

s

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Thu Jan  3 16:26:55 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:26:55 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0801021034q510e00des6a4cb28c42a6da65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1fbbbced0801021034q510e00des6a4cb28c42a6da65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5516abf5e74dd01734a09fab9b7d286b@charter.net>

WHRB regularly wreaks havoc on WUBB south of Portsmouth, but it's 
really pronounced in the summertime.

CHR would not make sense for WUBB.  WERZ is still reporting to the 
trades as a CHR, even though they have always taken an adult approach 
with it.  The station has 25 years of heritage in the format, is 
normally a top 4 station overall in the ratings, and bills well.  Why 
would CC want to mess with that? Combine that with the ratings success 
co-owned WJMN normally pulls in the market, there really is no need for 
another female targeted 18-34 station.  Even if the company was to 
transition WERZ to a full-blown Hot AC, thats too many stations chasing 
after similar demos in a small market.  That doesn't even include WRED, 
the JJ Jeffrey-owned rhythmic station in Saco, right up the dial and 
down the road from WUBB.  It would be overkill.

Doing country didn't make sense either in the shadow of the mighty WOKQ 
but WUBB stuck with it for nine years and rarely even placed in the 12+ 
ratings.  I'm surprised CC didn't make changes sooner.  The last time 
that station pulled any kind of decent ratings was the mid-90's, when 
it ran an oldies format as Cool 95.3.  It normally placed in the two's 
12+ and was considered successful keeping in mind it's signal 
limitations.  If CC can find the right niche format that's cheap to 
run, they should be able to make some money with that signal.

Sports would be an interesting choice.  Running Fox Sports Radio along 
with Jim Rome and local games (CC holds the market rights to the Sox 
and I think the Celtics) would be an inexpensive solution.  My question 
is--with the Nassau deal to put WEEI on several of their stations 
reportedly dead, is Clear Channel thinking about putting WEEI on 95.3?  
Since they have the Sox and C's rights, WUBB could essentially straight 
simulcast WEEI including games, which would extend WEEI's reach into 
Southern Maine, where the 850 signal begins to fade out, particularly 
at night.   It would be unusual for Clear Channel and Entercom to work 
with each other like this, but with Entercom desperately wanting to 
extend the WEEI brand further into New England, it wouldn't surprise me 
if it was to happen.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas" (...channelling Joe Gallant...)


On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> First it was noticed that Clear Channel registered the domain
> kiss953.com and had a page up suggesting that the
> seacoast NH area station WUBB (lic. to York Center, ME) might become a
> Kiss 108 clone (it also suggested that Matty
> in the Morning would be carried, and a weather page linked to a
> forecast for Portsmouth NH). Then the page
> went blank. Now it's back up and saying "coming soon--Sports"...with a
> link to MSN/Fox Sports (Fox
> Sports Radio is syndie by Clear Channel's Premiere Radio). Something's 
> going on.
>
> The signal does reach into northern Essex County (a bit further south
> it's trumped by WHRB)
>


From paul@derrynh.net  Thu Jan  3 18:21:45 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:21:45 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <5516abf5e74dd01734a09fab9b7d286b@charter.net>
Message-ID: <006201c84e5f$6849dd30$82a8184c@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Speaking of Nassau...

Is there some delay in the flip of WWHQ/WWHK to //WEEI?

I get the impression that the change is NOT about to happen at least at
these stations.

Anyone know what's going on?

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
David Tomm
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:27 PM
To: Bob Nelson
Cc: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org
Subject: Re: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...

WHRB regularly wreaks havoc on WUBB south of Portsmouth, but it's 
really pronounced in the summertime.

CHR would not make sense for WUBB.  WERZ is still reporting to the 
trades as a CHR, even though they have always taken an adult approach 
with it.  The station has 25 years of heritage in the format, is 
normally a top 4 station overall in the ratings, and bills well.  Why 
would CC want to mess with that? Combine that with the ratings success 
co-owned WJMN normally pulls in the market, there really is no need for 
another female targeted 18-34 station.  Even if the company was to 
transition WERZ to a full-blown Hot AC, thats too many stations chasing 
after similar demos in a small market.  That doesn't even include WRED, 
the JJ Jeffrey-owned rhythmic station in Saco, right up the dial and 
down the road from WUBB.  It would be overkill.

Doing country didn't make sense either in the shadow of the mighty WOKQ 
but WUBB stuck with it for nine years and rarely even placed in the 12+ 
ratings.  I'm surprised CC didn't make changes sooner.  The last time 
that station pulled any kind of decent ratings was the mid-90's, when 
it ran an oldies format as Cool 95.3.  It normally placed in the two's 
12+ and was considered successful keeping in mind it's signal 
limitations.  If CC can find the right niche format that's cheap to 
run, they should be able to make some money with that signal.

Sports would be an interesting choice.  Running Fox Sports Radio along 
with Jim Rome and local games (CC holds the market rights to the Sox 
and I think the Celtics) would be an inexpensive solution.  My question 
is--with the Nassau deal to put WEEI on several of their stations 
reportedly dead, is Clear Channel thinking about putting WEEI on 95.3?  
Since they have the Sox and C's rights, WUBB could essentially straight 
simulcast WEEI including games, which would extend WEEI's reach into 
Southern Maine, where the 850 signal begins to fade out, particularly 
at night.   It would be unusual for Clear Channel and Entercom to work 
with each other like this, but with Entercom desperately wanting to 
extend the WEEI brand further into New England, it wouldn't surprise me 
if it was to happen.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas" (...channelling Joe Gallant...)


On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Bob Nelson wrote:

> First it was noticed that Clear Channel registered the domain
> kiss953.com and had a page up suggesting that the
> seacoast NH area station WUBB (lic. to York Center, ME) might become a
> Kiss 108 clone (it also suggested that Matty
> in the Morning would be carried, and a weather page linked to a
> forecast for Portsmouth NH). Then the page
> went blank. Now it's back up and saying "coming soon--Sports"...with a
> link to MSN/Fox Sports (Fox
> Sports Radio is syndie by Clear Channel's Premiere Radio). Something's 
> going on.
>
> The signal does reach into northern Essex County (a bit further south
> it's trumped by WHRB)
>


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Thu Jan  3 18:41:11 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:41:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <006201c84e5f$6849dd30$82a8184c@YOURF7ED5FB036>
Message-ID: <157013.89323.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
> Speaking of Nassau...
> 
> Is there some delay in the flip of WWHQ/WWHK to //WEEI?
> 
> I get the impression that the change is NOT about to happen at least
> at
> these stations.
> 
> Anyone know what's going on?

Well, David said in the previous post that the deal is dead.

Is it? I thought the flip was supposed to happen in December.


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From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jan  3 18:59:41 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:59:41 -0500
Subject: doings at WUBB 95.3 seacoast of NH/ME...
In-Reply-To: <157013.89323.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <157013.89323.qm@web58308.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <477D76ED.4030102@fybush.com>

Sean Smyth wrote:
> Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
>> Speaking of Nassau...
>>
>> Is there some delay in the flip of WWHQ/WWHK to //WEEI?
>>
>> I get the impression that the change is NOT about to happen at least
>> at
>> these stations.
>>
>> Anyone know what's going on?
> 
> Well, David said in the previous post that the deal is dead.
> 
> Is it? I thought the flip was supposed to happen in December.

The deal is dead. Nassau's confirmed it.

s

From lglavin@mail.com  Sat Jan  5 15:04:16 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:04:16 -0500
Subject: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
Message-ID: <20080105200416.16B8A164287@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

The 'Forum' at hippogryph.com reports that longtime WCRB announcer "Ray Brown"
(I use quotes because I don't know if it's his real name) no longer has a bio on 
WCRB's website.   Only time will tell if he is in fact gone from that outlet and 
if so whether the parting was his decision or Nassau's.  I'd have to say that he's
probably the only announcer there who could find work at another station, and in
fact I believe his pipes can be heard on numerous TV spots and possibly some 
promos on WBZ-TV.

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From ewerme@comcast.net  Sun Jan  6 12:45:39 2008
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500
Subject: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:00:00 EST."
	<mailman.0.1199638800.35334.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <20080106174539.831F75BC79@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>

Laurence Glavin notes:

> The 'Forum' at hippogryph.com reports that longtime WCRB announcer "Ray
> Brown" (I use quotes because I don't know if it's his real name) no
> longer has a bio on WCRB's website.

Google still has it in their cache (Yay Google cache),
I think http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ray+Brown%22+wcrb will work.

See also the top link, http://www.raybrown.biz/html/clients.html and
oh, my, Laura Carlo is leaving too, oh wait, the story is dated
November 12, 2006....
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=53904.0;prev_next=next

	-Ric Werme

P.S. While I have the floor, Harry Kozlowski wants to expand WCNH-LP
beyond LP.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/NEWS01/31209
0063/-1/news
"Highland has applied for five full-power FM licenses around the state,
none in southern Hillsborough County."

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071230/BUSINESS/7123
00337/1265/BUSINESS



From lglavin@mail.com  Mon Jan  7 13:08:52 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:08:52 -0500
Subject: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
Message-ID: <20080107180852.9AF781F50B6@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ric Werme" 
To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500

>Laurence Glavin notes:

> The 'Forum' at hippogryph.com reports that longtime WCRB announcer "Ray
> Brown" (I use quotes because I don't know if it's his real name) no
> longer has a bio on WCRB's website.

>Google still has it in their cache (Yay Google cache),
>I think http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ray+Brown%22+wcrb will work.

The upper right window of wcrb.com's website shows the announcer or announciatrix
on duty, and early Monday afternoon it's Art Steinberg.  It may not be until
later in the day that we'll see if Ray's disappearance from the website bio page
means something.  It could be just one strand in personnel cutbacks by Nassau after
the Entercom deal with its cash infusion fell through.  


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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jan  8 07:13:25 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:13:25 -0500
Subject: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
References: <20080107180852.9AF781F50B6@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
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Wsn't there (or isn't there still) a guy with the same name, Ray 
Brown, who did (or still does) an old-time jazz show on a weekend 
night on WGBH-FM? I listen to 89.7 on Saturday evenings (Prairie Home 
Companion, Says You, and a 9:00PM-to-midnight Blues show, which I 
generally turn off if I haven't fallen asleep), so if the old-time 
jazz is still on, it must be on Sunday nights, when I don't listen, or 
maybe the old-time jazz (Bix Beiderbecke et al) has morphed (wouldn't 
be too much of a morph) into the Saturday night Blues show. Anyhow, if 
I have the correct air name for the GBH guy, I very much doubt that it 
was the same Ray Brown who was on 99.5 and before that on 102.5. So 
who, if anyone, has 'CRB plugged into the departed Ray Brown's time 
slot--or is the station now running "jockless" in his former (weekday 
mid-afternoon?) slot?

-----
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eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Ric Werme" <ewerme@comcast.net>; 
<boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building




----- Original Message -----
From: "Ric Werme"
To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500

>Laurence Glavin notes:

> The 'Forum' at hippogryph.com reports that longtime WCRB announcer 
> "Ray
> Brown" (I use quotes because I don't know if it's his real name) no
> longer has a bio on WCRB's website.

>Google still has it in their cache (Yay Google cache),
>I think http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ray+Brown%22+wcrb will 
>work.

The upper right window of wcrb.com's website shows the announcer or 
announciatrix
on duty, and early Monday afternoon it's Art Steinberg.  It may not be 
until
later in the day that we'll see if Ray's disappearance from the 
website bio page
means something.  It could be just one strand in personnel cutbacks by 
Nassau after
the Entercom deal with its cash infusion fell through.


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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Jan  8 10:51:29 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:51:29 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Tom Taylor, in his free email-subscription newsletter, says today he is hearing that WCRB is now on 
the market ("Star Media Group?s Doug Ferber has the listing to sell WCRB" -- available by free
subscription via http://www.radio-info.com )
We know about Entercom and Nassau and how their agreement fell through (to put
WEEI on several Nassau stations, and Entercom would get half of 99.5). But now Taylor's
hearing that Nassau is peddling the longtime classical outlet. Would the new owners keep
it classical, or find a way to satisfy that longterm agreement to keep classical by
putting it on an HD, an AM signal they may have, a smaller FM, etc.?




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jan  8 11:10:15 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:10:15 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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This won't happen, of course; it makes too much sense: Suppose
Entercom were to buy 99.5 and move WAAF there. The 99.5 signal
downtown is good enough that 97.7 might no longer be needed as a WAAF
simulcast--although 97.7's South Shore coverage might be an asset to
99.5. Then the "classics" (I'm putting that in quotes to forestall
another of Mr Glavin's diatribes) could move up the dial to 107.3 and
Entercom might even be smart enough to move 107.3 back to where it
belongs--on Asnebumsket Hilll in Paxton (assuming the FCC hasn't shut
that door)--because the WCRB format is unduplicated in the rest of the
old 107.3 coverage area, so the larger signal would potentially be
saleable to advertisers as a regional signal. If "classical" (quotes
again; they're getting as tiresome as Mr G's venting) can't be sold on
an essentially Boston signal, it might be a little more saleable on a
signal that covered half the land area of New England and WAY more
than half the population.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?


Tom Taylor, in his free email-subscription newsletter, says today he
is hearing that WCRB is now on
the market ("Star Media Group's Doug Ferber has the listing to sell
WCRB" -- available by free
subscription via http://www.radio-info.com )
We know about Entercom and Nassau and how their agreement fell through
(to put
WEEI on several Nassau stations, and Entercom would get half of 99.5).
But now Taylor's
hearing that Nassau is peddling the longtime classical outlet. Would
the new owners keep
it classical, or find a way to satisfy that longterm agreement to keep
classical by
putting it on an HD, an AM signal they may have, a smaller FM, etc.?




From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Jan  8 12:53:50 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:53:50 -0500
Subject: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
In-Reply-To: <000801c851ef$e154e510$10f8a742@SatU205S5044>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:13 AM
> To: Laurence Glavin; Ric Werme; 
> boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: "Ray Brown" Has Left The Building
> 
> Wsn't there (or isn't there still) a guy with the same name, 
> Ray Brown, who did (or still does) an old-time jazz show on a 
> weekend night on WGBH-FM?

There was a Ray Brown who was a well known jazz bassist, who played with
many of the greats.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Jan  8 12:56:04 2008
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:56:04 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:51 AM
> To: BostonRadio Mailing List
> Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
> 
> Tom Taylor, in his free email-subscription newsletter, says 
> today he is hearing that WCRB is now on the market ("Star 
> Media Group's Doug Ferber has the listing to sell WCRB" -- 
> available by free subscription via http://www.radio-info.com 
> ) We know about Entercom and Nassau and how their agreement 
> fell through (to put WEEI on several Nassau stations, and 
> Entercom would get half of 99.5). But now Taylor's hearing 
> that Nassau is peddling the longtime classical outlet. Would 
> the new owners keep it classical, or find a way to satisfy 
> that longterm agreement to keep classical by putting it on an 
> HD, an AM signal they may have, a smaller FM, etc.?

I think that any purchasser would not be a party to said agreement.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jan  8 13:28:00 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:28:00 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <001901c8521f$bf7a8280$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Larry Weil wrote:

> I think that any purchasser would not be a party to said agreement.

It would seem, from a lot of what was being said around the time of the 
99.5/102.5 switch, that the "agreement" didn't turn out to be binding 
anyway. (And while IANAL, there's a case to be made that under FCC 
regulations, the seller of a station can't legally bind the purchaser to 
  any specific programming; furthermore, even if a court were to 
determine that the Jones trust barred the *sale* of WCRB if it would 
have led to the end of classical programming - which is at least 
possibly legal - there's no conceivable way that clause could have 
applied to 99.5. I think.)

I do agree with those who suspect that a Nassau sale of 99.5 would be 
the death knell for commercial classical in Boston. The format is at 
death's door on a national scale, with recent defections in Washington, 
LA and Milwaukee, among others.

The only operators still doing commercial classical in bigger markets 
are (with one big exception) not "corporate radio": a foundation owns 
KING-FM in Seattle, the city of Dallas owns WRR-FM, the Lutheran Church 
owns KFUO-FM in St. Louis, the NY Times operates WQXR as a classy (and 
not unprofitable) bit of PR, and Chicago's WFMT, while commercial, is 
operated by public TV station WTTW. The last corporate classical FM 
station I can think of in a sizable market is Bonneville's KDFC, San 
Francisco.

s

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Jan  8 13:30:31 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:30:31 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <000901c85210$f844ec40$adf8a742@SatU205S5044>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<000901c85210$f844ec40$adf8a742@SatU205S5044>
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I think Nassau was brought in as a third party facilitator to get the 
Charles River/Greater Media deal done for 102.5.  They never had any 
long term plans to keep the station.  It really doesn't fit in with the 
rest of their portfolio, and running a standalone operation in a major 
market with a boutique format on a suburban stick in a tough radio 
economy doesn't make much sense.   The Entercom deal was the best 
Nassau was going to get in terms of cash relief, so now that it's dead, 
it's only other option is to sell.  CBS and GM are maxed out, and Clear 
Channel is in a selling mode right now so spinning it to Entercom is a 
distinct possibility.  No matter who purchases 99.5, the classical goes 
to HD2.

Under Entercom, my guess is that WEEI would go to 99.5.  I can't see 
WAAF moving there.  Their core listening area is Metrowest and 
Worcester County, and 107.3 covers that area much better than 99.5.  
There's too much heritage on 107.3 for Entercom to risk taking the rock 
off that signal.  However, if they were to do that, maybe they put WEEI 
on 107.3/97.7, and move 107.3 back on Asnebumsket.  That would fill in 
the holes between Providence, Central Mass. and Springfield, where WEEI 
is already simulcasting on 103.7/Westerly and 105.5/Easthampton.  Then 
the company could spin off 1440.

The other option for 99.5 is for Salem to pick it up and put one of 
their "Fish" contemporary Christian formats on it.  Another would be 
for one of the big Hispanic broadcasters like Univision or SBS to come 
in and try a Spanish language-based format.  In any instance, if 99.5 
sells, the classical is gone from the main signal.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"



On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote:

> This won't happen, of course; it makes too much sense: Suppose
> Entercom were to buy 99.5 and move WAAF there. The 99.5 signal
> downtown is good enough that 97.7 might no longer be needed as a WAAF
> simulcast--although 97.7's South Shore coverage might be an asset to
> 99.5. Then the "classics" (I'm putting that in quotes to forestall
> another of Mr Glavin's diatribes) could move up the dial to 107.3 and
> Entercom might even be smart enough to move 107.3 back to where it
> belongs--on Asnebumsket Hilll in Paxton (assuming the FCC hasn't shut
> that door)--because the WCRB format is unduplicated in the rest of the
> old 107.3 coverage area, so the larger signal would potentially be
> saleable to advertisers as a regional signal. If "classical" (quotes
> again; they're getting as tiresome as Mr G's venting) can't be sold on
> an essentially Boston signal, it might be a little more saleable on a
> signal that covered half the land area of New England and WAY more
> than half the population.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)


From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Jan  8 13:36:15 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:36:15 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <4783C0B0.1010902@fybush.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<001901c8521f$bf7a8280$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
	<4783C0B0.1010902@fybush.com>
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Scott I believe KDFC is now owned by Entercom.

I also think it is one of the highest rated stations in the Bay Area

On 1/8/08, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
 The last corporate classical FM
> station I can think of in a sizable market is Bonneville's KDFC, San
> Francisco.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jan  8 13:38:59 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:38:59 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <781f07ab4dc0f07badc778dbc3fd6d96@charter.net>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<000901c85210$f844ec40$adf8a742@SatU205S5044>
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David Tomm wrote:

> Under Entercom, my guess is that WEEI would go to 99.5.  I can't see 
> WAAF moving there.  Their core listening area is Metrowest and Worcester 
> County, and 107.3 covers that area much better than 99.5.  There's too 
> much heritage on 107.3 for Entercom to risk taking the rock off that 
> signal.  However, if they were to do that, maybe they put WEEI on 
> 107.3/97.7, and move 107.3 back on Asnebumsket.  That would fill in the 
> holes between Providence, Central Mass. and Springfield, where WEEI is 
> already simulcasting on 103.7/Westerly and 105.5/Easthampton.  Then the 
> company could spin off 1440.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Nassau headquarters right now. From 
the outside, I can't tell whether the collapse of the WEEI/Nassau 
network deal is a long-term falling-out between the two companies, or 
whether it's just a bump in the road en route to a later deal.

Common sense would seem to suggest that if Entercom were serious about 
buying 99.5, the deal would be done already and Nassau wouldn't be 
shopping the station to other buyers. But stranger things have certainly 
happened in this business before, so as long as Entercom's cash remains 
green, I suppose it can't be ruled out as a possible buyer.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Jan  8 13:41:33 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:41:33 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
Message-ID: <4fc429770801081041w5125c42v1148babd354c6764@mail.gmail.com>

Very quietly Boston is now ranked #10 by Arbitron after being at 11 last year.

It looks like we are now ranked higher than Detroit which is losing
population at an alarming rate.

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jan  8 13:45:42 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:45:42 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770801081036u1852c8e7k29aceb4b1dd0a828@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	
	<001901c8521f$bf7a8280$c7151bac@MasterExtra>	
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Scott I believe KDFC is now owned by Entercom.
> 
> I also think it is one of the highest rated stations in the Bay Area

The license is still held by Bonneville for now; Entercom operates it 
under an LMA while waiting for a station swap to close.

And yes, KDFC is a tremendous success story, at least commercially. It 
may not get high marks from the Laurence Glavins of the world for its 
musical choices or seriousness of presentation, but it definitely draws 
an audience.

s

From kvahey@comcast.net  Tue Jan  8 13:46:50 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:46:50 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
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Here is the new list

http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp

One market that is vanishing is Buffalo which at the current rate maybe
smaller than Rochester in a short time.

Buffalo is 52   Rochester 54




On 1/8/08, Kevin Vahey <kvahey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Very quietly Boston is now ranked #10 by Arbitron after being at 11 last
> year.
>
> It looks like we are now ranked higher than Detroit which is losing
> population at an alarming rate.
>

From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jan  8 13:56:41 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:56:41 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770801081046o8595587ne7a4ec1ab8986ba8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770801081041w5125c42v1148babd354c6764@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Here is the new list
>  
> http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp
>  
> One market that is vanishing is Buffalo which at the current rate maybe 
> smaller than Rochester in a short time.
>  
> Buffalo is 52   Rochester 54

Take those numbers with at least a small grain of salt, only because the 
counties between Buffalo and Rochester have a tendency to flop back and 
forth between markets from year to year.

Like Detroit, Buffalo has really become two markets - a surprisingly 
affluent and vital ring of suburbs surrounding a decaying central city. 
  At that, there are more sparks of life in the city of Buffalo right 
now than there are within Detroit city limits.

There's another thing about Buffalo that the numbers don't show: the 
market feels bigger than Rochester in large part because of the mammoth 
Golden Horseshoe of southern Ontario, from Niagara up to Toronto, that's 
just across the river. Especially as the Canadian dollar hangs in there 
above par, there's a steady stream of commerce across the border. That's 
one big reason why they have an NFL team and an NHL team (and almost 
landed an NL baseball team in the eighties), and we have...er...the 
National Lacrosse League champions.

s

From billohno@gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 13:57:30 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:57:30 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <4783C0B0.1010902@fybush.com>
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	<4783C0B0.1010902@fybush.com>
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Scott Fybush wrote:
> The format is at death's door on a national scale, with recent 
> defections in Washington, LA and Milwaukee, among others.

Is this due to the fact that the classical demo is more likely to access 
the product through new(er) media, HD, and are less bound to a 
terrestrial signal?

Bill O'Neill
/

/

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Jan  8 14:23:22 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:23:22 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <4783C79A.40401@gmail.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<001901c8521f$bf7a8280$c7151bac@MasterExtra>	<4783C0B0.1010902@fybush.com>
	<4783C79A.40401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4783CDAA.8070804@gabrielmass.com>

Lately I've been listening to the UK's "Classic FM" service over the 
net, and wondering whether something similar could do well here in the 
States.   Any thoughts?

--rc


From songbook2@comcast.net  Tue Jan  8 14:53:39 2008
From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:53:39 -0800
Subject: Ray Brown WCRB photo
Message-ID: <4783D4C3.9000608@comcast.net>

Go to the "Images" link on Google for "Ray Brown WCRB" to see his color 
photo.  =Russ

From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Jan  8 16:56:53 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:56:53 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
Message-ID: <20080108215653.827AE164290@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: "Kevin Vahey" 
>Subject: Re: Boston is a Top 10 market again
>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:56:41 -0500

>Take those numbers with at least a small grain of salt, only 
>because the counties between Buffalo and Rochester have a tendency 
>to flop back and forth between markets from year to year.
>Like Detroit, Buffalo has really become two markets - a 
>surprisingly affluent and vital ring of suburbs surrounding a 
>decaying central city. At that, there are more sparks of life in 
>the city of Buffalo right now than there are within Detroit city 
>limits.
>There's another thing about Buffalo that the numbers don't show: 
>the market feels bigger than Rochester in large part because of the 
>mammoth Golden Horseshoe of southern Ontario, from Niagara up to 
>Toronto, that's just across the river. Especially as the Canadian 
>dollar hangs in there above par, there's a steady stream of 
>commerce across the border. That's one big reason why they have an 
>NFL team and an NHL team (and almost landed an NL baseball team in 
>the eighties), and we have...er...the National Lacrosse League 
>champions.

It's a good thing for Buffalo that Scott is around to hype the City...unlike the
NY Times two months ago.  Then, they ran an article in the Sunday Arts Section 
about Marin Alsop, who had just assumed the music directorship of the
Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.  The paper identified her as the FIRST woman to 
hold that office of a MAJOR U.S. symphony orchestra...then in parentheses, the
author noted that, yes indeed, Joann Falletta is a woman and the music director of 
the Buffalo Philharmonic, BUT that orchestra is not considered to be a MAJOR 
symphony orchestra!  I fully expected letters to the editor of the Times arts
section by Lukas Foss and/or Michael Tilson Thomas, both prominent American
musicians who had been Music Directors of the B.P.O. but none appeared!  BTW,
to relate this to radio, Marin Alsop appears frequently as a commentator on music
on NPR, principally on Weekend Edition/Saturday and Sunday.
s


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From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Jan  8 17:01:29 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:01:29 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
Message-ID: <20080108220130.81C25164288@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Vahey" 
>To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
>Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
>Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:41:33 -0500

>Very quietly Boston is now ranked #10 by Arbitron after being at 11 last year.
>It looks like we are now ranked higher than Detroit which is losing
>population at an alarming rate.

Interesting timing:  just today, I saw items on a few radio websites to the
effect that Dennis Miller's syndicator is making a big push to get his show 
on more stations.  Their claim is that Dennis Miller is now on in ALL TEN OF
THE TOP TEN MARKETS!  Ooops...not here.   I checked the Dennis
Miller show website, and their closest outlet is WPEP-AM, Providence.  Do you
think it  may be time to revise their affiliate list?

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From revdoug1@verizon.net  Tue Jan  8 20:48:14 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:48:14 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
References: <20080108215653.827AE164290@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <006601c85261$b3511540$6501a8c0@pastor2>

I wonder to what extent Canadian (Toronto-area) radio is listened to in
Buffalo and Rochester, and vice-versa?  -Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>; "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@comcast.net>
Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Boston is a Top 10 market again


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush"
>To: "Kevin Vahey"
>Subject: Re: Boston is a Top 10 market again
>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:56:41 -0500

>Take those numbers with at least a small grain of salt, only
>because the counties between Buffalo and Rochester have a tendency
>to flop back and forth between markets from year to year.
>Like Detroit, Buffalo has really become two markets - a
>surprisingly affluent and vital ring of suburbs surrounding a
>decaying central city. At that, there are more sparks of life in
>the city of Buffalo right now than there are within Detroit city
>limits.
>There's another thing about Buffalo that the numbers don't show:
>the market feels bigger than Rochester in large part because of the
>mammoth Golden Horseshoe of southern Ontario, from Niagara up to
>Toronto, that's just across the river. Especially as the Canadian
>dollar hangs in there above par, there's a steady stream of
>commerce across the border. That's one big reason why they have an
>NFL team and an NHL team (and almost landed an NL baseball team in
>the eighties), and we have...er...the National Lacrosse League
>champions.

It's a good thing for Buffalo that Scott is around to hype the City...unlike
the
NY Times two months ago.  Then, they ran an article in the Sunday Arts
Section
about Marin Alsop, who had just assumed the music directorship of the
Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.  The paper identified her as the FIRST woman
to
hold that office of a MAJOR U.S. symphony orchestra...then in parentheses,
the
author noted that, yes indeed, Joann Falletta is a woman and the music
director of
the Buffalo Philharmonic, BUT that orchestra is not considered to be a MAJOR
symphony orchestra!  I fully expected letters to the editor of the Times
arts
section by Lukas Foss and/or Michael Tilson Thomas, both prominent American
musicians who had been Music Directors of the B.P.O. but none appeared!
BTW,
to relate this to radio, Marin Alsop appears frequently as a commentator on
music
on NPR, principally on Weekend Edition/Saturday and Sunday.
s


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From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jan  8 21:12:53 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:12:53 -0500
Subject: Boston is a Top 10 market again
In-Reply-To: <006601c85261$b3511540$6501a8c0@pastor2>
References: <20080108215653.827AE164290@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<006601c85261$b3511540$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <47842DA5.3010502@fybush.com>

Doug Drown wrote:
> I wonder to what extent Canadian (Toronto-area) radio is listened to in
> Buffalo and Rochester, and vice-versa?  -Doug

Less and less every year, thanks to the congestion of the FM dial.

Toronto radio was never a huge factor in Rochester - we're just too far 
east to get reliable signals from most of the Toronto stations. A few of 
the big CN Tower FMs - CFNY 102.1, CHUM-FM 104.5, CILQ 107.1, CBL-FM 
94.1 - used to be adequately listenable here. Then a whole bunch of 
80-90 drop-ins and new translators came along, and today there's not a 
one of them that's really listenable in Rochester. CFMZ (ex-CFMX) 103.1 
from Cobourg, directly north of us across the lake, does put a decent 
signal over Rochester and has a cult following for its classical format. 
On AM, most of the Toronto stations are directional away from us. CHWO 
740 is the big exception, and again has a small following here. (Many of 
us down here listened to 740 religiously in its CBL days, too.)

Rochester radio doesn't reach Toronto at all. Our FM stations have small 
listenership along the lake east of Toronto (Belleville, Cobourg area), 
but that's dying off as more new FMs go on the air up there and block 
our signals off the dial.

The relationship between the Buffalo and Toronto markets is much closer. 
It's only 35 air miles or so from downtown to downtown, and both markets 
have superpower FMs that far exceed usual class B maximums. Until about 
a decade ago, Toronto was very under-FM-ed, which meant plenty of room 
for most of the Buffalo FMs to get in cleanly. Several - most notably 
urban WBLK 93.7 - offered formats that were unduplicated in Toronto and 
thus picked up not only listeners but advertisers up there. Likewise, 
most of the big Toronto FMs were heard clearly in Buffalo and drew 
ratings there.

Again, translators and Canadian FM shoehorns have had a big impact. 
Canada has gone so far as to put class A signals in Toronto 
first-adjacent to and even co-channel with Buffalo FMs, so WBLK is now 
wiped out by CFXJ on 93.5 (also urban), WYRK 106.5 is wiped by CFAV on 
106.5, and so on.

There's plenty of signal back and forth on the AM dial between Buffalo 
and Toronto - indeed, Buffalo's WNED 970 is heard better in downtown 
Toronto than in some eastern Buffalo suburbs - but not much cross-border 
listening anymore. It was not always thus; old radios from the 
push-button era that were used around Toronto invariably have buttons 
set for Buffalo's WGR, WBEN and WKBW.

s

From ewerme@comcast.net  Wed Jan  9 01:05:37 2008
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Wed,  9 Jan 2008 01:05:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <20080109060537.F22D95BDA0@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>

Scott wrote:

>  The last corporate classical FM 
> station I can think of in a sizable market is Bonneville's KDFC, San 
> Francisco.

Cleveland (#28 at http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp ) appears to
still have WCLV at 104.9 and http://wclv.com/.  They had a program, I think
on Saturday that was similar to WCRB's Saturday Night.  For a while they
exchanged parts of their program with the other.  Each was involved in
fund raising for the biggest "local" orchestra, I remember a WCLV vistor
having trouble pronouncing names like Leominster.  (He nailed Worcester.)

Their page http://wclv.com/page.php?pageID=62 is worth reading, an excerpt:


  The culmination of a three-year process to preserve classical music on the
  radio in Cleveland took place on November 1, 2001, when WCLV 104.9 FM was
  donated to the non-profit WCLV Foundation, established under the auspices
  of The Cleveland Foundation. Robert Conrad and Richard Marschner, the
  majority stockholders of WCLV, made the donation.

  WCLV 104.9 FM continues to operate as a commercial radio station, with any
  excess profits benefiting five major Cleveland arts institutions: The
  Cleveland Orchestra, The Cleveland Museum of Art, The Cleveland Institute
  of Music, The Cleveland Playhouse, ideastream and The Cleveland Foundation.

I grew up in Painesville, about 25 miles east of Cleveland.  Haven't heard
WCLV in ages.

  -Ric Werme

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jan  9 01:24:48 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:24:48 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <4783CDAA.8070804@gabrielmass.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4783C79A.40401@gmail.com>, <4783CDAA.8070804@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <47842260.18611.791A13@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 8 Jan 2008 at 14:23, Richard Chonak wrote:

> Lately I've been listening to the UK's "Classic FM" service over the
> net, and wondering whether something similar could do well here in the
> States.   Any thoughts?

There are a number of US classical services on the net.  I sometimes 
listen to them when I'm tired of WCRB.  WCRB is also on the net.

What's the URL for the UK's Classic FM service.  I assume this isn't 
the same as BBC Radio 3, which I've already listened to.  There's 
also a Bavarian FM station, "Bayern 4 Klassik" at  
http://radio.real.com/mediaHurl/_/stationid/7004808?pcode=RN&cpath=CNT
&rsrc=radio.classical-ns.main

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From rac@gabrielmass.com  Wed Jan  9 06:12:19 2008
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:12:19 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <47842260.18611.791A13@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20080108155129.2E50083BE3@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4783C79A.40401@gmail.com>, <4783CDAA.8070804@gabrielmass.com>
	<47842260.18611.791A13@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <4784AC13.90300@gabrielmass.com>

On 01/09/2008 01:24 AM, A. Joseph Ross wrote:
 >
 > There are a number of US classical services on the net.  I sometimes 
listen to them when I'm tired of WCRB.  WCRB is also on the net.
 >
 > What's the URL for the UK's Classic FM service.  I assume this isn't
 > the same as BBC Radio 3, which I've already listened to.


Their site doesn't mention the BBC, so I assume this is independent. 
"Classic FM" is on the web at http://www.classicfm.co.uk , and has 
streaming audio options at
http://www.classicfm.co.uk/Article.asp?id=421143&spid=13479

If your audio player accepts mmsh: URLs, you can try this one:
mmsh://mediasrv-the.musicradio.com/ClassicFM?MSWMExt=.asf

--RC


From scott@fybush.com  Wed Jan  9 14:41:58 2008
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:41:58 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <20080109060537.F22D95BDA0@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
References: <20080109060537.F22D95BDA0@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47852386.60101@fybush.com>

Ric Werme wrote:

> I grew up in Painesville, about 25 miles east of Cleveland.  Haven't heard
> WCLV in ages.

And you wouldn't hear it if you went home to Painesville, either!

Bob Conrad's heart was in the right place when he did that big signal 
swap in 2001, trading WCLV's full-market class B signal on 95.5 for a 
west-side rimshot A on 104.9 (it's licensed to Lorain) and a pile of 
cash to help keep WCLV alive.

Unfortunately, the audience for classical music in Cleveland is mostly 
on the east side of town, and 104.9 just doesn't go there. As part of 
those 2001 swaps, Conrad picked up the AM 1420 signal (previously, and 
now again, WHK), hoping at the time that HD Radio might come along 
quickly and make classical viable on the AM side. That didn't happen, 
and after a few years operating 1420 with standards (first as WCLV AM, 
then as WRMR), he sold the station to Salem.

WCLV's classical format was also simulcast for a few years on the 1460 
in Painesville, under the WBKC calls, but the audio quality was abysmal 
and ratings never materialized.

I give Conrad plenty of credit for trying to keep classical alive in 
Cleveland - but it's hard to run a radio station when your target 
listeners can't hear you!

s

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Jan  9 15:17:06 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:17:06 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <20080109201706.797821158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: "Ric Werme" 
>Subject: Re: Is WCRB up for sale?
>Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:41:58 -0500

The subject line is based on items appearing on various radio websites, but
as of today (Wednesday) neither the Boston Globe nor the Boston Herald has 
mentioned anything about the possible sale of WCRB.  If such a story appears
anywhere else than Clea Simon's column in the Globe, it might be on the 
business page Thursday...at the Herald, if Heslam is aware of it at all, she may run it too.


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From songbook2@comcast.net  Wed Jan  9 19:25:23 2008
From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler)
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:25:23 -0800
Subject: All Classical
Message-ID: <478565F3.8040909@comcast.net>

In my neck of the woods it's  www.allclassical.org  the stream for 
KBPS-FM.  Great programming in Portland OR.  =Russ

From paul@derrynh.net  Thu Jan 10 05:46:24 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:46:24 -0500
Subject: WUBB
In-Reply-To: <478565F3.8040909@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005601c85376$0bb3fad0$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

In 'flipping the dial" this AM, I've noticed that former Country station
WUBB (95.3FM York Ctr.) is now simulcasting WQSO "The Wave" (96.7
Somersworth) and it's Oldies 60s-70s format..

Don't know if its permanent or stunting...(I see wubb.com still defaults to
"Sports coming soon")

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Thu Jan 10 12:10:44 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:10:44 -0500
Subject: WUBB
Message-ID: <20080110171047.55E0283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Yes, someone had noted that Clear Channel had registered kiss953.com and put up a page suggesting the station
would flip to a Kiss 108-like format; then the "Coming Soon, Sports" page went up on that site. Now as you
note, wubb.com redirects to that same page and you're hearing, for now at least, a simulcast of 
WQSO.

Wonder if they may be picking up Fox Sports--I believe WTSN runs ESPN Radio--or possibly they could
eventually pick up WEEI simulcasts, if Entercom is still planning to do re-broadcasters (just not
Nassau stations...?)


From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jan 10 13:20:44 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:20:44 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <20080110182044.C6CA91158CE@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Laurence Glavin" 
>To: "Scott Fybush" , "Ric Werme" 
>Subject: Re: Is WCRB up for sale?
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:17:06 -0500
>
>The subject line is based on items appearing on various radio websites, but
>as of today (Wednesday) neither the Boston Globe nor the Boston Herald has
>mentioned anything about the possible sale of WCRB. If such a story appears
>anywhere else than Clea Simon's column in the Globe, it might be on the
>business page Thursday...at the Herald, if Heslam is aware of it at 
>all, she may run it too.

Clea Simon's column ran in the Thursday Globe and contained much the same information 
as the radio-info.com news item by Tom Taylor (didn't he play Captain Marvel in the movies?).
That puts the information before the general public (it appeared in the Globe's 'Style & Arts'
section), or at least those who read stories about the radio IN - DUSS-  TREEEE!
(Sorry, a "Firesign Theater" flashback).


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From ewerme@comcast.net  Thu Jan 10 22:53:54 2008
From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:53:54 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <4786E852.7040502@comcast.net>

 > Ric Werme wrote:
 >
 > > I grew up in Painesville, about 25 miles east of Cleveland.  
Haven't heard
 > > WCLV in ages.
 >
 > And you wouldn't hear it if you went home to Painesville, either!

Sigh.

...

 > WCLV's classical format was also simulcast for a few years on the 1460
 > in Painesville, under the WBKC calls, but the audio quality was abysmal
 > and ratings never materialized.

That was another surprise when I was in the area - I remember 1460 as
WPVL and finding that vital local interest station had turned into
something entirely different was a bit of shock.  Of course, that was
long before I subscribed to this list largely to keep an eye on WCRB
shenanigans.  At the time I didn't quite realize what has happened to
the AM market.

I moved to Painesville in 1957 or so and stayed essentially until I left
for college in Pittsburgh in 1968.  I actually do have roots that add
to my interest in this list.  My first parttime job was to setup and
monitor the Sunday AM remote broadcast of church services in the area.
Every month I'd go to a different church and handle the different
configuration, hope that no one had cut the unswitched telco line that
had been underfoot for the last year or so, deal with snow, fog, trains
blocking the only paved access to the station, etc.

I learned a lot about local radio and how different the various churches 
are.
A lot of people listened to that broadcast and played WPVL-O, a sorta
Bingo-like game, and local news, and even the "Be Still and Know" homily
played at the End of the Broadcast Day.

   - Ric Werme


From paul@derrynh.net  Fri Jan 11 06:40:29 2008
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:40:29 -0500
Subject: WUBB
Message-ID: <002101c85446$c4c57d20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Well....

Kiss 95.3 it is....

There's a qtr page ad in the Union Leader today announcing...

"No it's not a new lipstick"
"It's not a dating service either"
"It's the best kiss the seacoast will ever have"
Monday January 14th Stay Tuned.

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hopfgarten [mailto:paul@derrynh.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:46 AM
To: 'boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org'
Subject: WUBB

In 'flipping the dial" this AM, I've noticed that former Country station
WUBB (95.3FM York Ctr.) is now simulcasting WQSO "The Wave" (96.7
Somersworth) and it's Oldies 60s-70s format..

Don't know if its permanent or stunting...(I see wubb.com still defaults to
"Sports coming soon")

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Jan 11 14:33:23 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:33:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <21810144.8027071200080004285.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm in Mass. for a couple of days and having been listening to WCRB, which not only has been touting its upcoming 60th anniversary but which, in offering itself as an advertising medium, refers to itself as a world-renowned radio station. (I wouldn't argue that historically it's at least nationally renowned.) 

I wouldn't think references like this would be made if Nassau were seriously considering selling.  -Doug





From: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com>
Date: 2008/01/10 Thu PM 12:20:44 CST
To: Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com>, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com>, 
	Ric Werme <ewerme@comcast.net>
Cc: 'BostonRadio Mailing List' <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Subject: Re: Is WCRB up for sale?

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Laurence Glavin" 
>To: "Scott Fybush" , "Ric Werme" 
>Subject: Re: Is WCRB up for sale?
>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:17:06 -0500
>
>The subject line is based on items appearing on various radio websites, but
>as of today (Wednesday) neither the Boston Globe nor the Boston Herald has
>mentioned anything about the possible sale of WCRB. If such a story appears
>anywhere else than Clea Simon's column in the Globe, it might be on the
>business page Thursday...at the Herald, if Heslam is aware of it at 
>all, she may run it too.

Clea Simon's column ran in the Thursday Globe and contained much the same information 
as the radio-info.com news item by Tom Taylor (didn't he play Captain Marvel in the movies?).
That puts the information before the general public (it appeared in the Globe's 'Style & Arts'
section), or at least those who read stories about the radio IN - DUSS-  TREEEE!
(Sorry, a "Firesign Theater" flashback).


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From sid@wrko.com  Fri Jan 11 14:43:20 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:43:20 -0700
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <s7876477.099@entbalms2.entercom.com>

>>I wouldn't think references like this would be made if Nassau were
seriously considering selling.<<

I would.  They'd want the station to be worth as much as possible at
sale time, and the sale price includes existing contracts and
commitments, like advertising.  The more advertisers they have, the more
the station is worth.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com

From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Jan 11 15:59:41 2008
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:59:41 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
Message-ID: <20080111205941.8D44D1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Doug Drown" 
>To: "Ric Werme" , "Laurence Glavin" , "Scott Fybush" 
>Subject: Re: Re: Is WCRB up for sale?
>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:33:23 -0600 (CST)

>I'm in Mass. for a couple of days and having been listening to 
>WCRB, which not only has been touting its upcoming 60th anniversary 
>but which, in offering itself as an advertising medium, refers to 
>itself as a world-renowned radio station. (I wouldn't argue that 
>historically it's at least nationally renowned.)

There IS  a W C R B that is or soon will be world-renowned:
the World Congres on Reproductive Biology, a conference scheduled to
take place in Hawaii in May of this year.
For those who like to truncate call letters minus the W- or K-, 
the Commodity Research Bureau advertises itself at its website 
crbtrader.com as the "world's leading commodities and futures research
firm."  
On a more localized site, the Wisconsin Compensation Rating Bureau is of
interest to cheeseheads.




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From joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jan 11 23:53:12 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:53:12 -0500
Subject: Is WCRB up for sale?
In-Reply-To: <s7876477.099@entbalms2.entercom.com>
References: <s7876477.099@entbalms2.entercom.com>
Message-ID: <47880168.29240.430ECF@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 11 Jan 2008 at 12:43, Sid Schweiger wrote:

> >>I wouldn't think references like this would be made if Nassau were
> seriously considering selling.<<
> 
> I would.  They'd want the station to be worth as much as possible at
> sale time, and the sale price includes existing contracts and
> commitments, like advertising.  The more advertisers they have, the
> more the station is worth.

But how would that help a buyer who wanted to drop the classical 
format? 

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From francini@mac.com  Sat Jan 12 08:02:21 2008
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:02:21 -0500
Subject: I thought the WEEI-Nassau deal was dead...
Message-ID: <B0D42FF9-D398-409A-8C72-73E34E25E02E@mac.com>

...if so, then why has WEEI been saying, both at ~:30 and ~:00, "This  
is the WEEI Sports Radio Network"?  (And then, at the top of the  
hour, doing the usual bunch-o-stations ID.)

Curiosity abounds!

j


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sat Jan 12 08:13:48 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:13:48 -0500
Subject: I thought the WEEI-Nassau deal was dead...
In-Reply-To: <B0D42FF9-D398-409A-8C72-73E34E25E02E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <022101c8551c$f8647ec0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

> ...if so, then why has WEEI been saying, both at ~:30 and ~:00, "This
> is the WEEI Sports Radio Network"?  (And then, at the top of the
> hour, doing the usual bunch-o-stations ID.)

I started hearing some of those IDs just before Christmas. They were
probably produced when they thought the deal was still going to happen.
Since they do have 4 stations of their own, I would think that still
qualifies as a network.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From billohno@gmail.com  Sat Jan 12 12:48:47 2008
From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:48:47 -0500
Subject: I thought the WEEI-Nassau deal was dead...
In-Reply-To: <022101c8551c$f8647ec0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <022101c8551c$f8647ec0$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <4788FD7F.5070500@gmail.com>

Jeff Lehmann wrote:
> Since they do have 4 stations of their own, I would think that still
> qualifies as a network.
>   
Even with mega-dollars behind sports flagships and affiliated stations, 
it still sounds very medium market/camp when I hear flagship calls 
across a network.  Name it after Auntie and call it the Ethel Sports 
network if you must but come on....

Bill O'Neill

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Jan 13 00:14:11 2008
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:14:11 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
Message-ID: <18313.40483.634176.905649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that location
(State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about it?

I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill, that
90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my car
radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue with
1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.  (I
also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)

-GAWollman


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Sun Jan 13 00:21:52 2008
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:21:52 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <18313.40483.634176.905649@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

> I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
> I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that location
> (State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about it?
> 
> I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill, that
> 90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my car
> radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue with
> 1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.  (I
> also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
> picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)

There's been a very strong 91.3 pirate on West Selden St. in Dorchester for
a year or two. Perhaps this is the one you were hearing? They have one of
the more interested antenna setups I've seen, it's quite high up a tree!

http://belmizikfm.com/

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Jan 13 06:13:30 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:13:30 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <001601c855d5$559d0d10$40eda644@SatU205S5044>

And as the tree grows, I assume, so does the HAAT. A previously
undiscovered method of having the coverage grow to match urban
sprawl;>) The perfect marriage of new and old technologies;>) (Slaps
forehead in one of those "I could have had a V8" moments.)

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
To: "'Garrett Wollman'" <wollman@bimajority.org>;
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?


>> I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
>> I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that
>> location
>> (State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about it?
>>
>> I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill,
>> that
>> 90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my
>> car
>> radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue
>> with
>> 1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.
>> (I
>> also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
>> picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)
>
> There's been a very strong 91.3 pirate on West Selden St. in
> Dorchester for
> a year or two. Perhaps this is the one you were hearing? They have
> one of
> the more interested antenna setups I've seen, it's quite high up a
> tree!
>
> http://belmizikfm.com/
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sun Jan 13 07:04:54 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:04:54 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
	<001601c855d5$559d0d10$40eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000b01c855dc$843fd100$40eda644@SatU205S5044>

Brings to mind another pressing question: As global warming increases
the mean sea level, do all of the FCC's records (FM and TV at
least--and there surely must be many, many other types) need to be
continuously updated for the change in HAMSL (height above mean sea
level)? One would think an algorithm could be applied that would make
the correction automatically. This would be especially helpful when
the FCC's offices themselves slip below the waves;>( (OK, I guess it
would be more correct to say "as the waves rise up to envelop the
FCC's offices"). A little gallows humor there.

Also, I believe the FCC needs to think about grandfathering AM
overlaps that suddenly appear because of new salt-water paths that
result from rising sea levels. Oh, the humanity!

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>; "'Garrett Wollman'"
<wollman@bimajority.org>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?


> And as the tree grows, I assume, so does the HAAT. A previously
> undiscovered method of having the coverage grow to match urban
> sprawl;>) The perfect marriage of new and old technologies;>) (Slaps
> forehead in one of those "I could have had a V8" moments.)
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
> To: "'Garrett Wollman'" <wollman@bimajority.org>;
> <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:21 AM
> Subject: RE: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
>
>
>>> I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
>>> I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that
>>> location
>>> (State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about
>>> it?
>>>
>>> I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill,
>>> that
>>> 90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my
>>> car
>>> radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue
>>> with
>>> 1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.
>>> (I
>>> also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
>>> picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)
>>
>> There's been a very strong 91.3 pirate on West Selden St. in
>> Dorchester for
>> a year or two. Perhaps this is the one you were hearing? They have
>> one of
>> the more interested antenna setups I've seen, it's quite high up a
>> tree!
>>
>> http://belmizikfm.com/
>>
>> Jeff Lehmann
>> Hanson, MA
>>
>>
>>
>


From rogerkola@aol.com  Sun Jan 13 10:10:50 2008
From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:10:50 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1><001601c855d5$559d0d10$40eda644@SatU205S5044>
	<000b01c855dc$843fd100$40eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <003201c855f6$7c17a7e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray>

Maybe the FCC should have stayed at the top of the Customs House in Boston?

Roger
WA1KAT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Jeff Lehmann"
<jjlehmann@comcast.net>; "'Garrett Wollman'" <wollman@bimajority.org>;
<boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Cc: <rcarpen1@verizon.net>; "PeterH5322" <peterh5322@rattlebrain.com>; "Glen
Clark" <glen@clarkcom.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?


> Brings to mind another pressing question: As global warming increases
> the mean sea level, do all of the FCC's records (FM and TV at
> least--and there surely must be many, many other types) need to be
> continuously updated for the change in HAMSL (height above mean sea
> level)? One would think an algorithm could be applied that would make
> the correction automatically. This would be especially helpful when
> the FCC's offices themselves slip below the waves;>( (OK, I guess it
> would be more correct to say "as the waves rise up to envelop the
> FCC's offices"). A little gallows humor there.
>
> Also, I believe the FCC needs to think about grandfathering AM
> overlaps that suddenly appear because of new salt-water paths that
> result from rising sea levels. Oh, the humanity!
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
> To: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>; "'Garrett Wollman'"
> <wollman@bimajority.org>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
>
>
> > And as the tree grows, I assume, so does the HAAT. A previously
> > undiscovered method of having the coverage grow to match urban
> > sprawl;>) The perfect marriage of new and old technologies;>) (Slaps
> > forehead in one of those "I could have had a V8" moments.)
> >
> > -----
> > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> > eFax 1-707-215-6367
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jeff Lehmann" <jjlehmann@comcast.net>
> > To: "'Garrett Wollman'" <wollman@bimajority.org>;
> > <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:21 AM
> > Subject: RE: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
> >
> >
> >>> I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
> >>> I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that
> >>> location
> >>> (State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about
> >>> it?
> >>>
> >>> I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill,
> >>> that
> >>> 90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my
> >>> car
> >>> radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue
> >>> with
> >>> 1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.
> >>> (I
> >>> also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
> >>> picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)
> >>
> >> There's been a very strong 91.3 pirate on West Selden St. in
> >> Dorchester for
> >> a year or two. Perhaps this is the one you were hearing? They have
> >> one of
> >> the more interested antenna setups I've seen, it's quite high up a
> >> tree!
> >>
> >> http://belmizikfm.com/
> >>
> >> Jeff Lehmann
> >> Hanson, MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sun Jan 13 09:34:51 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:34:51 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>
Message-ID: <478A218B.8000503@cssinc.com>

Is it me or are the pirates getting bigger cohones advertising on the 
web?  I guess that the FCC doesn't know about the Internet yet.  "Hey!  
We're doing something illegal.  Check us out!".

Just me.  Maybe I'm getting old.

Brian

Jeff Lehmann wrote:
>> I was not far from the 1300 transmitter site today and heard what
>> I believed to be an overmodulated 91.3 pirate very near that location
>> (State & Palmer, off Sea St.).  Does anyone know anything about it?
>>
>> I also noticed, last week when I was up on the hill in Haverhill, that
>> 90.9 was not audible.  This could easily be a mixing product in my car
>> radio (92.5 - 1.49 ~= 91.0), but in the past there was an issue with
>> 1490's RF leaking into the 92.5 composite feed to the transmitter.  (I
>> also finally found the perfect angle fromf which to take a decent
>> picture of those towers, but did not have my camera with me.)
>>     
>
> There's been a very strong 91.3 pirate on West Selden St. in Dorchester for
> a year or two. Perhaps this is the one you were hearing? They have one of
> the more interested antenna setups I've seen, it's quite high up a tree!
>
> http://belmizikfm.com/
>
> Jeff Lehmann
> Hanson, MA
>
>
>   


From markwats@comcast.net  Sun Jan 13 17:28:06 2008
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:28:06 -0500
Subject: WATD "Yesterday's Memories" Co-Host George Denham Has Passed Away
Message-ID: <002a01c85633$930ca760$39a0764c@Mark>

   George Denham, co-host of the Saturday night oldies show "Yesterday's 
Memories" on WATD (95.9 Marshfield) passed away Saturday evening of cancer, 
according to a message on the show's website and also posted elsewhere. 
George also was the DJ/MC for many of the record collector conventions that 
were held at the John Hancock Hall in Boston. I went to several of them back 
in the 80's, and had met George a couple of times at those shows. Info on 
services will be posted when they are finalized. Here's the link to Ed & 
George's show website:

http://www.realoldies.com/

Mark Watson





From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jan 13 22:54:51 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:54:51 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <478A218B.8000503@cssinc.com>
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>,
	<478A218B.8000503@cssinc.com>
Message-ID: <478A96BB.28618.97783E@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 13 Jan 2008 at 9:34, Brian Vita wrote:

> Is it me or are the pirates getting bigger cohones advertising on the
> web?  I guess that the FCC doesn't know about the Internet yet.  "Hey!
>  We're doing something illegal.  Check us out!".
> 
> Just me.  Maybe I'm getting old.
 
It's probably the same sort of phenomenon as the kids who put all 
sorts of information on their MySpace pages that come back to haunt 
them when prospective employers check them out there.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Jan 14 08:52:32 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:52:32 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
Message-ID: <20080114135232.91B4C83986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Speaking of pirate radio, a station in Winter Haven, FL just got shut down by local authorities--
as that state has a first-in-the-nation law which allows faster action on shutdowns. They
broadcast "gangsta rap with offensive language" and the police feel the pirate was
encouraging gangster activity. One of those arrested (and subject to a third degree
felony) was a man who paid $700 for the station to run ads for a place called
the Jamaican Lounge. I am sure that the IRS saw no revenue from this income...

It would be interesting if such a law were passed here in Massachusetts, allowing local
authorities to raid and shut down stations well before the FCC might...

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=71619

The pirate stations have been putting up websites that make them seem
legitimate. One Boston outlet, Choice FM, made it sound like they had the
call letters WCFM, which should come as news to a legit station in
Williamstown with those calls. The site boasts of a 100 mile reach
and 2,000 watts. 

http://choice1029.com/about.php


From wayne@vacationdreams.org  Mon Jan 14 09:07:29 2008
From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:07:29 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
Message-ID: <478b6ca1.340.6334.840538689@vacationdreams.org>

That was a first run story on our local news today... and
there has been a fair amount of chatter about others that
are already being targeted.

oops! second... right after something about a snow event up
your way... :^)


----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Brian Vita" <brian_vita@cssinc.com>, "Jeff Lehmann"
<jjlehmann@comcast.net>
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:52:32 -0500

>Speaking of pirate radio, a station in Winter Haven, FL
>just got shut down by local authorities-- as that state has
>a first-in-the-nation law which allows faster action on
>shutdowns. They broadcast "gangsta rap with offensive
>language" and the police feel the pirate was encouraging
>gangster activity. One of those arrested (and subject to a
>third degree felony) was a man who paid $700 for the
>station to run ads for a place called the Jamaican Lounge.
>I am sure that the IRS saw no revenue from this income...
>
>It would be interesting if such a law were passed here in
>Massachusetts, allowing local authorities to raid and shut
>down stations well before the FCC might...
>
>http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=71619
>
>The pirate stations have been putting up websites that make
>them seem legitimate. One Boston outlet, Choice FM, made it
>sound like they had the call letters WCFM, which should
>come as news to a legit station in Williamstown with those
>calls. The site boasts of a 100 mile reach and 2,000 watts.
>
>http://choice1029.com/about.php
>

From ncn86@hotmail.com  Mon Jan 14 12:38:10 2008
From: ncn86@hotmail.com (Nickolas Noseworthy)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:38:10 -0500
Subject: WUBB
In-Reply-To: <478b6ca1.340.6334.840538689@vacationdreams.org>
References: <478b6ca1.340.6334.840538689@vacationdreams.org>
Message-ID: <BAY120-W7855385C645EE35786B7CA2460@phx.gbl>

Listening to WUBB this morning, I noticed that at 6AM they started off their "new" station by simulcasting Kiss 108 WXKS. Matty in the Morning was heard, as well as Kiss 108 jingles, but mixed in was a voice stating that you were listening to Kiss 95.3 WUBB. They are running there own commercials for the seacoast, as well as traffic and weather, but they are also doing traffic and weather from WXKS as well. Does WXKS now own WUBB,  or are they becoming a sort of "half simulcast?" This would push the range of WXKS a lot further.
 
N Noseworthy
the DXer
Merrimack, NH
_________________________________________________________________
Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Mon Jan 14 13:09:18 2008
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:09:18 -0500
Subject: WUBB
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-W7855385C645EE35786B7CA2460@phx.gbl>
References: <478b6ca1.340.6334.840538689@vacationdreams.org>
	<BAY120-W7855385C645EE35786B7CA2460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b674132d1b07f6bb31fad1fddc4b4fe0@charter.net>

Clear Channel has owned WUBB for quite awhile now and own Kiss 108 as 
well.  This is a change in strategy for the Clear Channel cluster in 
Portsmouth.  After trying to take a bite out of WOKQ for years with 
little success, they're trying something different with 95.3.  The 
company also owns WERZ on the Seacoast, whose format has evolved to Hot 
AC after being the hit station for the market for many years.

There is some regional synergy happening here.  WJMN has always done 
very well in the Portsmouth market, especially for an out of market 
station.  WXKS-FM makes it up there too, but it's signal isn't as 
strong, particularly in the northern part of the market.  Flipping WUBB 
to a Kiss 108 clone fills those gaps, and allows WERZ to go more 
adult--and presumably bill better.  Between WJMN, WERZ and the new 
Kiss, CC/Portsmouth has built a "wall of women" position they can own 
and sell.  It might be too much pop music for the market to handle, but 
we'll see how it all plays out.

I think the straight simulcast of Kiss 108 will only be temporary.  
Eventually they'll most likely simulcast Matty then go their own way 
after 10am.  I could even see them use the exact same music logs as 
Boston, but broadcast separately with the Boston jocks cutting 
customized breaks for 95.3.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Jan 14, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Nickolas Noseworthy wrote:

> Listening to WUBB this morning, I noticed that at 6AM they started off 
> their "new" station by simulcasting Kiss 108 WXKS. Matty in the 
> Morning was heard, as well as Kiss 108 jingles, but mixed in was a 
> voice stating that you were listening to Kiss 95.3 WUBB. They are 
> running there own commercials for the seacoast, as well as traffic and 
> weather, but they are also doing traffic and weather from WXKS as 
> well. Does WXKS now own WUBB,  or are they becoming a sort of "half 
> simulcast?" This would push the range of WXKS a lot further.
>
> N Noseworthy
> the DXer
> Merrimack, NH


From tcoco@whav.net  Mon Jan 14 13:02:57 2008
From: tcoco@whav.net (Tim Coco)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:02:57 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <478A96BB.28618.97783E@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>,
	<478A218B.8000503@cssinc.com>
	<478A96BB.28618.97783E@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <021c01c856d7$b2d6ad30$2f01a8c0@executive>

The ease of obtaining equipment and "having fun" is probably behind "most"
of these pirate efforts.  However, one must admit, there are a few people
with legitimate concerns about how the FCC has managed the spectrum, its
limited filing windows and support for consolidation.  Federal marshals
pointing guns with kids playing with a Mr. Microphone also seems to be a bit
disproportionate.

I also feel for the small legitimate broadcasters who can't attract
advertising or afford to provide local news as has been the case in the
Merrimack Valley. As an aside, and I hope I'm not out of line here, I don't
understand why the 49% minority owner (a corporation related to the
Eagle-Tribune newspaper) can't help WCCM put on the news.

Tim Coco
WHAV.net

-----Original Message-----
From: A. Joseph Ross [mailto:joe@attorneyross.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:55 PM
To: Jeff Lehmann; Brian Vita
Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?

On 13 Jan 2008 at 9:34, Brian Vita wrote:

> Is it me or are the pirates getting bigger cohones advertising on the 
> web?  I guess that the FCC doesn't know about the Internet yet.  "Hey!
>  We're doing something illegal.  Check us out!".
> 
> Just me.  Maybe I'm getting old.
 
It's probably the same sort of phenomenon as the kids who put all sorts of
information on their MySpace pages that come back to haunt them when
prospective employers check them out there.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com





From joe@attorneyross.com  Mon Jan 14 19:06:17 2008
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:06:17 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <021c01c856d7$b2d6ad30$2f01a8c0@executive>
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>,
	<478A96BB.28618.97783E@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<021c01c856d7$b2d6ad30$2f01a8c0@executive>
Message-ID: <478BB2A9.7641.4EC9385@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 14 Jan 2008 at 13:02, Tim Coco wrote:

> The ease of obtaining equipment and "having fun" is probably behind
> "most" of these pirate efforts.  However, one must admit, there are a
> few people with legitimate concerns about how the FCC has managed the
> spectrum, its limited filing windows and support for consolidation. 
> Federal marshals pointing guns with kids playing with a Mr. Microphone
> also seems to be a bit disproportionate.
 
I suppose so, but they could do Internet radio, reach a lot more 
people, and do it legally.  I keep thinking, for example, of the 
movie "Pump Up the Volume," where the teenager played by Christian 
Slater could, in today's world, have gone online, got the word out in 
school, and done everything legally.

Of course, some kids like the thrill of doing things illegally, but 
...

A propos, I read a story last week in the Globe about the new rules 
for teenage drivers.  the kids think the hefty fines and losses of 
license or learner's permit are draconian, but it's getting their 
attention.  They're actually starting to observe speed limits and 
obey the traffic laws, and the teen driving fatalities have dropped.

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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Jan 14 19:33:43 2008
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:33:43 -0500
Subject: 91.3 pirate in Quincy?
In-Reply-To: <478BB2A9.7641.4EC9385@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <027901c855a4$3573d400$6400a8c0@DHPP0DB1>,
	<478A96BB.28618.97783E@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<021c01c856d7$b2d6ad30$2f01a8c0@executive>
	<478BB2A9.7641.4EC9385@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <478BFF67.1070908@ttlc.net>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> A propos, I read a story last week in the Globe about the new rules 
> for teenage drivers.  the kids think the hefty fines and losses of 
> license or learner's permit are draconian, but it's getting their 
> attention.  They're actually starting to observe speed limits and 
> obey the traffic laws, and the teen driving fatalities have dropped.
>   
Kids raised/schooled in an environment where incorrect spelling isn't 
corrected, games aren't scored (to avoid making anyone feel bad) and 
grade compression places almost every student on the honor roll would, 
most likely, consider any rule or restriction draconian.

However, I am glad it's getting their attention.  Maybe it'll save some 
lives.


From theseacoast@maine.rr.com  Tue Jan 15 13:16:24 2008
From: theseacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:16:24 -0500
Subject: WUBB
In-Reply-To: <BAY120-W7855385C645EE35786B7CA2460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002601c857a2$bd888b60$6e01a8c0@hpomnibook2>

Really offers my town of York Beach, that local presence!  God bless the
FCC!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickolas Noseworthy [mailto:ncn86@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:38 PM
To: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org
Subject: WUBB

Listening to WUBB this morning, I noticed that at 6AM they started off their
"new" station by simulcasting Kiss 108 WXKS. Matty in the Morning was heard,
as well as Kiss 108 jingles, but mixed in was a voice stating that you were
listening to Kiss 95.3 WUBB. They are running there own commercials for the
seacoast, as well as traffic and weather, but they are also doing traffic
and weather from WXKS as well. Does WXKS now own WUBB,  or are they becoming
a sort of "half simulcast?" This would push the range of WXKS a lot further.
 
N Noseworthy
the DXer
Merrimack, NH
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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Jan 16 00:41:58 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:41:58 -0500
Subject: Bob Lobel
Message-ID: <20080116054210.AFC011505A7@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

What's the deal with Bob Lobel lately?  I've seen him on WBZ-TV 
recently and he looks awful.  Arm in a sling, face all puffy... 
what's happening with him?


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Wed Jan 16 00:57:39 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:57:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bob Lobel
In-Reply-To: <20080116054210.AFC011505A7@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <278642.85398.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> What's the deal with Bob Lobel lately?  I've seen him on WBZ-TV 
> recently and he looks awful.  Arm in a sling, face all puffy... 
> what's happening with him?

He recently had rotator cuff surgery. He was doing his weekly WEEI show
over the phone a couple Sundays ago. I'm sure the pain meds don't make
you look too hot.


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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Wed Jan 16 01:09:08 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:09:08 -0500
Subject: Bob Lobel
In-Reply-To: <278642.85398.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20080116054210.AFC011505A7@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
	<278642.85398.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080116060920.69CAD1B4019@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

At 12:57 AM 1/16/2008, Sean Smyth wrote:

>He recently had rotator cuff surgery. He was doing his weekly WEEI show
>over the phone a couple Sundays ago.

Umm, I didn't realize he was a pitcher!!!  Seriously, there are all 
sorts of internet rumours flying about his health.


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Wed Jan 16 01:16:30 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:16:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bob Lobel
In-Reply-To: <20080116060920.69CAD1B4019@relay8.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <618030.74101.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> At 12:57 AM 1/16/2008, Sean Smyth wrote:
> 
> >He recently had rotator cuff surgery. He was doing his weekly WEEI
> show
> >over the phone a couple Sundays ago.
> 
> Umm, I didn't realize he was a pitcher!!!  Seriously, there are all 
> sorts of internet rumours flying about his health.

Just repeating what was said on the radio show with him and Steve
Burton. I don't know if a high-profile personality in a larger market
such as this can get away with "hiding" (my word) an illness for too long.


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From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Jan 16 05:41:13 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:41:13 -0500
Subject: Bob Lobel
References: <618030.74101.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007701c8582c$51b8a5c0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

There's more to this than rotator cuff surgery.  He hasn't looked well for
quite some time.  -Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Smyth" <ssmyth@psualum.com>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Bob Lobel


> Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> > At 12:57 AM 1/16/2008, Sean Smyth wrote:
> >
> > >He recently had rotator cuff surgery. He was doing his weekly WEEI
> > show
> > >over the phone a couple Sundays ago.
> >
> > Umm, I didn't realize he was a pitcher!!!  Seriously, there are all
> > sorts of internet rumours flying about his health.
>
> Just repeating what was said on the radio show with him and Steve
> Burton. I don't know if a high-profile personality in a larger market
> such as this can get away with "hiding" (my word) an illness for too long.
>
>
>
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From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Jan 18 10:22:21 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:22:21 -0500
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
Message-ID: <4fc429770801180722i30af59edm2f160d022f365bc5@mail.gmail.com>

Red Sox fans will no longer have to suffer listening to Glenn Geffner
as he has been hired by the Florida Marlins to be their #2 announcer.
Dave O'Brien will be back fulltime. Jerry Trupiano was also considered
for the job.

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Jan 18 13:16:20 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:16:20 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
Message-ID: <20080118181628.04D20151D18@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

Do any of you nice folks recall when a phone call used to be put on 
the air, how you'd hear a really annoying beep every few seconds?  I 
am trying to find out when the FCC said you didn't have to do that 
anymore... and why they made radio stations do it in the first 
place... My vague recollection is that it was done because the caller 
was being warned that his/her call was going out over the air-- but 
that seems like a silly reason, given that callers to talk shows 
WANTED their call to be put on the air...  

From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Fri Jan 18 12:25:13 2008
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:25:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770801180722i30af59edm2f160d022f365bc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <524244.17216.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

kvahey@comcast.net wrote:
> Red Sox fans will no longer have to suffer listening to Glenn Geffner
> as he has been hired by the Florida Marlins to be their #2 announcer.
> Dave O'Brien will be back fulltime. Jerry Trupiano was also
> considered
> for the job.

Who will fill in when O'Brien has to work on ESPN games?


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From mamros@MIT.EDU  Fri Jan 18 13:33:37 2008
From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:33:37 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:16:20 EST."
	<20080118181628.04D20151D18@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> 
Message-ID: <200801181833.m0IIXbxo004508@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu>

>Do any of you nice folks recall when a phone call used to be put on 
>the air, how you'd hear a really annoying beep every few seconds?  I 
>am trying to find out when the FCC said you didn't have to do that 
>anymore... and why they made radio stations do it in the first 
>place... My vague recollection is that it was done because the caller 
>was being warned that his/her call was going out over the air-- but 
>that seems like a silly reason, given that callers to talk shows 
>WANTED their call to be put on the air...  

I think the regulation required the beep anytime a phone conversation
was recorded.  The intention was to warn the caller of said recording.
It applied to more than just radio talk shows, but they were probably
the most well-known case where the caller was recorded (for seven-second
delay and/or archival purposes).

Nowadays, a message stating "this call may be recorded" is considered
sufficient.  I don't know when that regulation changed.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu

From sid@wrko.com  Fri Jan 18 13:47:25 2008
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:47:25 -0700
Subject: that horrible BEEP
Message-ID: <s79091e3.070@entbalms2.entercom.com>

>>Nowadays, a message stating "this call may be recorded" is considered sufficient.<<

That is a drastic oversimplification.  Many many broadcasters get skunked on this regulation and end up liable for $8000 fines.

PRIOR to airing or recording a broadcast, ALL callers must be notified in advance of the station's intent to air or record the call.  The only exception to this rule is for people who call the station in connection with a program in which calls are "customarily" aired (i.e., a talk show, all-request show, etc.), or for callers who are employees of the station (for example, news reporters).  You cannot notify the caller after the airing or recording has begun.  The intent of the rule is to give the caller an opportunity to "opt out."

For reference, it's 47 CFR ?73.1206.



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From revdoug1@verizon.net  Fri Jan 18 14:03:15 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:03:15 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
References: <200801181833.m0IIXbxo004508@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <033801c85a04$cb255690$6501a8c0@pastor2>

If memory serves, Shawn is right; the beep had to do with the station's (or
network's) intent to record.  Moreover, it encompassed not only phone
callers, but news correspondents.  Didn't the radio networks have beeps in
at least some of their remote actualities years ago?  I think that was even
the case on TV back in the early '60s, if I remember correctly.   -Doug

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Mamros" <mamros@MIT.EDU>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: that horrible BEEP


> >Do any of you nice folks recall when a phone call used to be put on
> >the air, how you'd hear a really annoying beep every few seconds?  I
> >am trying to find out when the FCC said you didn't have to do that
> >anymore... and why they made radio stations do it in the first
> >place... My vague recollection is that it was done because the caller
> >was being warned that his/her call was going out over the air-- but
> >that seems like a silly reason, given that callers to talk shows
> >WANTED their call to be put on the air...
>
> I think the regulation required the beep anytime a phone conversation
> was recorded.  The intention was to warn the caller of said recording.
> It applied to more than just radio talk shows, but they were probably
> the most well-known case where the caller was recorded (for seven-second
> delay and/or archival purposes).
>
> Nowadays, a message stating "this call may be recorded" is considered
> sufficient.  I don't know when that regulation changed.
>
> -Shawn Mamros
> E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Fri Jan 18 14:23:56 2008
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:23:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
Message-ID: <788156.23665.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

His committment to ESPN is done so he's available for all games.

----- Original Message ----
From: Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com>
To: kvahey@comcast.net; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:25:13 PM
Subject: Re: Glenn Geffner is gone

kvahey@comcast.net wrote:
> Red Sox fans will no longer have to suffer listening to Glenn Geffner
> as he has been hired by the Florida Marlins to be their #2 announcer.
> Dave O'Brien will be back fulltime. Jerry Trupiano was also
> considered
> for the job.

Who will fill in when O'Brien has to work on ESPN games?


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From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Jan 18 13:28:57 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:28:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770801181004y2558f232meeb6c48e13b9a800@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202244.10286.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

kvahey@comcast.net wrote:
> They are considering Ordway for home games and on the road an
> announcer from the other team.

Ordway does NOT have the style to suit baseball.

He has great, great pipes, but he'd be a fish out of water.

(As an aside, I heard Ordway on The Big Show yesterday with just Steve
DeOssie -- apparently Butch Stearns didn't show up until later in the
show. It's amazing how good he can be when he isn't trying to
out-scream a Fred Smerlas type.)


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From dlh@donnahalper.com  Fri Jan 18 15:15:27 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:15:27 -0500
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <202244.10286.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770801181004y2558f232meeb6c48e13b9a800@mail.gmail.com>
	<202244.10286.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080118201535.6410C151E75@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>

At 01:28 PM 1/18/2008, Sean Smyth wrote:

>(As an aside, I heard Ordway on The Big Show yesterday with just Steve
>DeOssie -- apparently Butch Stearns didn't show up until later in the
>show. It's amazing how good he can be when he isn't trying to
>out-scream a Fred Smerlas type.)

I may be in the minority here, but I thought Castiglione and Trupiano 
made a great team.  Okay fine, they didn't make the world forget Curt 
Gowdy (or Vin Scully or Mel Allen for that matter), but they sounded 
good together.  Geffner's leaving doesn't ruin my life at all.  As 
for the Big Show, am I correct in thinking that it has consistently 
maintained some of the highest ratings in sports/talk of any station 
in the format, or is that just Entercom publicity that makes such a claim?    


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Jan 18 18:08:26 2008
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:08:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <20080118201535.6410C151E75@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com>
Message-ID: <8777.80545.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Donna Halper <dlh@donnahalper.com> wrote:
> As 
> for the Big Show, am I correct in thinking that it has consistently 
> maintained some of the highest ratings in sports/talk of any station 
> in the format, or is that just Entercom publicity that makes such a
> claim?    

They may be, but I don't find the screaming enjoyable. 

Maybe I'm a snob, but I'd love to see an NPR-style sports network.
Probably never would succeed, though.


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From kvahey@comcast.net  Fri Jan 18 13:04:26 2008
From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:04:26 -0500
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <524244.17216.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <4fc429770801180722i30af59edm2f160d022f365bc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<524244.17216.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770801181004y2558f232meeb6c48e13b9a800@mail.gmail.com>

They are considering Ordway for home games and on the road an
announcer from the other team.

On 1/18/08, Sean Smyth <sean.smyth@yahoo.com> wrote:
> kvahey@comcast.net wrote:
> > Red Sox fans will no longer have to suffer listening to Glenn Geffner
> > as he has been hired by the Florida Marlins to be their #2 announcer.
> > Dave O'Brien will be back fulltime. Jerry Trupiano was also
> > considered
> > for the job.
>
> Who will fill in when O'Brien has to work on ESPN games?
>
>
>
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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Jan 19 02:41:37 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:41:37 -0500
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
Message-ID: <20080119074137.3FF2583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>They are considering Ordway for home games and on the road an
announcer from the other team.

I assume you mean O'Brien not Ordway ("...you're making my point!")

It was said not too long ago that O'Brien would be available for
a lot more games starting this year.



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Jan 19 02:53:11 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:53:11 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
Message-ID: <20080119075311.2830883BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

The long running public radio show Whad Ya Know has a feature every week called Town of the
Week, in which they pay tribute to various spots on the map...after announcer Jim Packard
reads a bit of information about the town, they call up a resident there who talks
about what life is like in that locality. They are given a prize for their trouble. Someone must have
told the show's producers about that FCC rule, because one week I heard host Mike Feldman
say, "Right now we're calling someone in (town) and we're getting their permission for
them to talk on the air. We've been told we have to do that."




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Jan 19 02:56:59 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:56:59 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
Message-ID: <20080119075659.38EA183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Speaking of beeps--or bells-- I've noticed over the years some "blips" during radio
network newscasts (maybe an audible signal sent to stations for some reason)...

...and how about the days when you'd tune to one of the network TV affiliates in prime time (especially)
and hear a bell at the top of the hour? Sometimes you would even see, briefly,
a slide for the flagship station--so when Ch 7 was the CBS affiliate in the 70s,
you would hear that beep and perhaps briefly see a slide for "WCBS-TV 2 New York City".

Want to hear that beep for old times sake? It shows up when you click on to 
http://www.tvparty.com

Ding! (Maybe related to the Southwest Airlines ding!)


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sat Jan 19 07:53:54 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:53:54 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
References: <20080119075659.38EA183985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <039101c85a9a$5c0c9110$6501a8c0@pastor2>

If you're talking about CBS' historic on-the-hour "bong," which is still
used on the radio, I remember it very well from TV when I was a kid.  I
don't think it was eliminated until the early '70s.

I'll check out that website link, Bob.  Terry Morgan out in New York knows
the histories of these things.  I'll try to contact him and see if he can
put in his two cents' worth.

  -Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: that horrible BEEP


Speaking of beeps--or bells-- I've noticed over the years some "blips"
during radio
network newscasts (maybe an audible signal sent to stations for some
reason)...

...and how about the days when you'd tune to one of the network TV
affiliates in prime time (especially)
and hear a bell at the top of the hour? Sometimes you would even see,
briefly,
a slide for the flagship station--so when Ch 7 was the CBS affiliate in the
70s,
you would hear that beep and perhaps briefly see a slide for "WCBS-TV 2 New
York City".

Want to hear that beep for old times sake? It shows up when you click on to
http://www.tvparty.com

Ding! (Maybe related to the Southwest Airlines ding!)


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sat Jan 19 08:18:25 2008
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:18:25 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
Message-ID: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Well, I meant the blip heard when they went to a commercial (network radio news)--which also could
be a series of two two-tone messages (musical notes, approximately: E-C...D-B...
But yes there is the TOH "bong" before the network radio news on CBS...
the "ding" I referred to was on TV, especially in prime time.

Example, from 1970s:
Saturday 9 pm (IIRC)
--Slide for Ch 7 Boston
--Ding!
--Start of theme song for "Maude"

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Sat Jan 19 09:28:14 2008
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:28:14 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>

I believe that those "blips" were (barely) audible cues from a system
that CBS installed at the radio network in (I think) the '50s and
continued to use for decades thereafter. It was called NetAlert. If
I'm not mistaken, I first heard NetAlert cues on WROW Albany after it
replaced WTRY Troy as the CBS affiliate in New York's Capital
District. That would have been while I was in college around 1953 or
so.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Bob Nelson"
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: that horrible BEEP


Well, I meant the blip heard when they went to a commercial (network
radio news)--which also could
be a series of two two-tone messages (musical notes, approximately:
E-C...D-B...
But yes there is the TOH "bong" before the network radio news on
CBS...
the "ding" I referred to was on TV, especially in prime time.

Example, from 1970s:
Saturday 9 pm (IIRC)
--Slide for Ch 7 Boston
--Ding!
--Start of theme song for "Maude"


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sat Jan 19 09:41:58 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:41:58 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <039b01c85aa9$8c9be920$6501a8c0@pastor2>

Some of the two-tone messages are often heard on programs originating from
Westwood One.  They're a holdover from WW1's ownership of the Mutual
Broadcasting System, which used them for decades.  Then there's the CBS
"chirp", which the network uses one second prior to the TOH "bong" as well
as a segue into commercials during its newscasts.  That's been in use for
many years too.  In fact, I can remember hearing it at the top of the
hour --- despite no hourly newscast --- on WEEI-FM and, later, WODS, long
before the Westinghouse takeover.  That usage has since been discontinued on
the O&Os.

-Doug



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>; "Bob Nelson"
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "Donna Halper" <dlh@donnahalper.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: that horrible BEEP


Well, I meant the blip heard when they went to a commercial (network radio
news)--which also could
be a series of two two-tone messages (musical notes, approximately:
E-C...D-B...
But yes there is the TOH "bong" before the network radio news on CBS...
the "ding" I referred to was on TV, especially in prime time.

Example, from 1970s:
Saturday 9 pm (IIRC)
--Slide for Ch 7 Boston
--Ding!
--Start of theme song for "Maude"


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Sat Jan 19 09:18:42 2008
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:18:42 -0500
Subject: Glenn Geffner is gone
In-Reply-To: <8777.80545.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <8777.80545.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <479206C2.9010701@cssinc.com>


> They may be, but I don't find the screaming enjoyable. 
>
> Maybe I'm a snob, but I'd love to see an NPR-style sports network.
> Probably never would succeed, though.
>
>
>   
We have that.  Its called "golf".

Brian

From cohasset@frontiernet.net  Sat Jan 19 11:10:36 2008
From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:10:36 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
In-Reply-To: <000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <07cf01c85ab5$d47fe0f0$7d7fa2d0$@net>

There are two different kinds of "beeps" that I recall.

I was a control room engineer for the CBS radio affiliate in Syracuse during
the summer of 1960 ("WHEN in Syracuse, dial 620....").  At that time the
only beeps I ever heard were what I think Mr. Strassberg is referring to as
the NetAlert beeps.  An "Alert" consisted of a series of equally spaced
beeps that were intended to alert station personnel that something important
was about to come across the network feed.  My recollection (which could
very well be faulty on this point) is that the number of beeps helped define
the urgency of the upcoming feed.  Sometimes the beeps referred to (breaking
news) content in a standard top-of-the-hour newscast, but sometimes the
beeps meant a special news feed was coming during a normally-inactive period
on the network link.  

Later, long after I had left WHEN, CBS Radio added another kind of beep,
which I prefer to think of as a "cricket click"; it was a 2-piece sound that
was used to cue stations to break away from the network, such as at 58:55
past the hour, when we inserted local ads.  I think CBS radio still uses
such a system.  I hated it when they introduced it, and I still don't much
care for it.

Bud Hippisley  


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sat Jan 19 11:49:09 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>
	<07cf01c85ab5$d47fe0f0$7d7fa2d0$@net>
Message-ID: <03a501c85abb$36b95940$6501a8c0@pastor2>

During the '70s (and, I think, before,), the CBS AM O&Os --- which by then
had all-news formats --- led into the hourly network newscasts with a series
of second-to-second "bongs" that were softer than the one at TOH.  They were
accompanied by voiceover segues and station IDs.  I can't remember if they
started at -:10 or -:05.
-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cohasset / Hippisley" <cohasset@frontiernet.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: that horrible BEEP


> There are two different kinds of "beeps" that I recall.
>
> I was a control room engineer for the CBS radio affiliate in Syracuse
during
> the summer of 1960 ("WHEN in Syracuse, dial 620....").  At that time the
> only beeps I ever heard were what I think Mr. Strassberg is referring to
as
> the NetAlert beeps.  An "Alert" consisted of a series of equally spaced
> beeps that were intended to alert station personnel that something
important
> was about to come across the network feed.  My recollection (which could
> very well be faulty on this point) is that the number of beeps helped
define
> the urgency of the upcoming feed.  Sometimes the beeps referred to
(breaking
> news) content in a standard top-of-the-hour newscast, but sometimes the
> beeps meant a special news feed was coming during a normally-inactive
period
> on the network link.
>
> Later, long after I had left WHEN, CBS Radio added another kind of beep,
> which I prefer to think of as a "cricket click"; it was a 2-piece sound
that
> was used to cue stations to break away from the network, such as at 58:55
> past the hour, when we inserted local ads.  I think CBS radio still uses
> such a system.  I hated it when they introduced it, and I still don't much
> care for it.
>
> Bud Hippisley
>


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Sat Jan 19 11:55:36 2008
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:55:36 -0500
Subject: CBS chirp
Message-ID: <03b001c85abc$28c96d60$6501a8c0@pastor2>

I believe I'm correct in saying that the aforesaid "cricket chirp" used by
CBS Radio isn't supposed to be heard by listeners prior to the hourly
"bong."  It's designed to be a - :01 time alert to prepare stations for the
newscast.  A lot of stations overlook that and play it, but I've read
comments that it's kind of unprofessional.   -Doug


From paulranderson@charter.net  Sat Jan 19 12:54:44 2008
From: paulranderson@charter.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:54:44 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
In-Reply-To: <07cf01c85ab5$d47fe0f0$7d7fa2d0$@net>
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>
	<07cf01c85ab5$d47fe0f0$7d7fa2d0$@net>
Message-ID: <80C5DA8D-65BD-402D-99B4-E035E1241D91@charter.net>


On Jan 19, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Cohasset / Hippisley wrote:

> An "Alert" consisted of a series of equally spaced beeps that were  
> intended to alert station personnel that something important was  
> about to come across the network feed.

How would station personnel hear this beep?  Would someone be expected  
to monitor the network feed at all times?

ABC radio always had a tone at five seconds before a newscast started.

They also had a tone that would activate an optional alarm at the  
station.  This was used for bulletins or special reports.  I worked at  
two stations that carried ABC news but neither one had the optional  
alarm that would sound when the network sent the special tone.  I  
wonder if they still have such a thing.

Paul

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Sat Jan 19 13:09:07 2008
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:09:07 -0500
Subject: that horrible BEEP
In-Reply-To: <80C5DA8D-65BD-402D-99B4-E035E1241D91@charter.net>
References: <20080119131825.DF2D283985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<000a01c85aa7$88454b20$e3f8a742@SatU205S5044>
	<07cf01c85ab5$d47fe0f0$7d7fa2d0$@net>
	<80C5DA8D-65BD-402D-99B4-E035E1241D91@charter.net>
Message-ID: <2008011918