From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 1 01:39:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:39:38 -0500 Subject: WNTN in Auburndale In-Reply-To: <6e94a45fde7b9452f46bcb7d40f2e5a0@charter.net> References: <288616.85715.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, <47A12A2A.2694.963ABD@joe.attorneyross.com>, <6e94a45fde7b9452f46bcb7d40f2e5a0@charter.net> Message-ID: <47A2785A.33.A03EC4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2008 at 2:25, David Tomm wrote: > There must have been a lot of that going on around Eastern Mass. at > that time. A few years after Norwood, the village of West Needham > which essentially functioned as their own town away from the rest of > Needham formally separated and became what is now known as Wellesley. It was going on all over Massachusetts at the time. Without modern transportation and communication, people didn't want to travel long distances to get to their town centers. And as population increased, and new centers formed, they wanted their own town government. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 1 01:39:38 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:39:38 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044>, <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47A2785A.26174.A03FED@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2008 at 22:26, Scott Fybush wrote: > A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB > Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, if > somewhat exaggerated. Raising the question of why WCAP hasn't added Lawrence and Haverhill after its legal ID, if it's trying to reach out to the entire area for advertising. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:20:37 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:20:37 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A287AA.3050305@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003901c864ab$537d3980$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> Which begs a question I've always wondered... Are there any Radio Stations in the USA that actually have studios located where the Over-the-air signal CANNOT be heard? -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fybush Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:45 PM To: Doug Drown Cc: Dan.Strassberg; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations Doug Drown wrote: > This brings up another question in my mind, having to do with broadcasting > stations that are ID'd in one community yet are actually located in a > different municipality altogether. I'll use two examples: WTAG and WGY. > The former used to have its studios in Worcester; they're now in Paxton. > The latter used to have its studios in Schenectady; they were later in > Niskayuna, then Colonie (which is in a different county), now they're back > in Niskayuna. And yet the two stations are still ID'd as WTAG Worcester and > WGY Schenectady, respectively. Is this permitted only because they're > grandfathered? -Doug "Community of license" has become a tricky concept since the rules changed in the 80s. Until the rules changed, stations had to maintain a main studio in their community of license (or, alternately, at their transmitter site) at which the majority of their programming originated. Today, the only things a station has to do for its city of license are to provide a city-grade signal over it (and not even all of it, always) and to provide a phone number that's toll-free from that city. The actual main studio can be anywhere within 25 miles, or within the city-grade contour of any station licensed to that community, whichever is larger. s From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:28:06 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:28:06 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003a01c864ac$5ed0e4c0$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> 2,000,000 watts? I did hear Boston in the ID.....Damn WOKQ gets in the way of my picking up the MIGHTY WKMZ! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:13 PM To: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Scott Fybush wrote: > A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB > Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, if > somewhat exaggerated. Indeed, and it has been done before. :-) http://www.tophour.com/audio/Winchester%20VA-Martinsburg%20WV/fm0975_1990-08 _wkmz_bthompson.mp3 From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 03:30:36 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 03:30:36 -0500 Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios In-Reply-To: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003b01c864ac$b8cf6050$0c44184c@YOURF7ED5FB036> Speaking of Purchased Time..... If you fancy yourself as the next "Big O" or "Mikey Adams"..... WWZN 1510 had an ad in the Boston Herald yesterday (1/31) basically saying that if you ever wanted a Sports show of your own, you may purchase time on "1510 the Zone"! -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Russ Butler Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:38 PM To: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org; Russ Butler Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios There was (maybe still is?) a storefront studio at WALE 990AM in downtown Providence, RI The call letters came from when the station was licensed to New Bedford, MA originally, I think for "The Whaling City." There was usually a crowd peering in the sidewalk window at night during the gay-lesbian show (....they brokered time at WALE, anyone could be on the air who purchased time). Also, KPPC 1240AM in Pasadena CA had a storefront studio on Colorado Boulevard. The station had legendary calls since 1924, formed as a part time broadcaster of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church only to air services all day Sundays and Wednesday nights. (It is now dark). They also had an FM station at 106.7 which has been sold and is now a rock station in LA. =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 07:10:50 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:10:50 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044>, <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2>, <47A29149.6050808@fybush.com> <47A2785A.26174.A03FED@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001f01c864cc$4e5db850$48f8a742@SatU205S5044> They have! I've heard "980, WCAP Lowell, Haverhill, Lawrence, Methuen, Merrimac Valley--Everybody gets it!" on many occasions and I'm quite sure that on several occasions, I've even heard "Nashua and Salem New Hampshire" appended to that string. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > On 31 Jan 2008 at 22:26, Scott Fybush wrote: > >> A station can say anything it wants after its legal ID. "WJIB >> Cambridge-Boston-New York-San Francisco" would be entirely legal, >> if >> somewhat exaggerated. > > Raising the question of why WCAP hasn't added Lawrence and Haverhill > after its legal ID, if it's trying to reach out to the entire area > for advertising. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From radiotony@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 06:44:33 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 06:44:33 -0500 Subject: Is WBIX for sale? Message-ID: <003101c864c7$d0ccc790$726656b0$@net> Has anyone heard anything about WBIX being up for sale? Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 08:23:43 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:23:43 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> Channel 6 was one of the first to take advantage of the new rules. When they first signed on they were WTEV New Bedford and studios were there. New ownership changed the calls to WLNE and studios were moved to Providence. The FOX station in Burlington/Plattsburgh has used Montreal in the ID from day 1. From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Feb 1 09:15:19 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:15:19 -0500 Subject: WALE and KPPC Window Studios In-Reply-To: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> References: <47A2A210.9080104@comcast.net> Message-ID: WBSM and WFHN are still in the strip mall on the main drag in Fairhaven right off 195. When I worked there years ago there was a yogurt shop next door, so you would get kids coming over peering through the glass. There was a sizable amount of window space, so there were vertical blinds that you could close if you so chose. I normally worked with them open but quite a few of the jocks there would close them during their shifts. When I first started at WILI-AM/FM in Willimantic, CT in the late 80's they had window studios right on Main Street. It was always entertaining doing late nights when the biker bar a few doors down would let out for the night. You always got a floor show--Fistfights, creative urination, etc. When they moved to their present location down the street, the studios moved to the basement. But there's still windows that look out, and the sidewalk is a good 10 feet above the window line. There is a low embankment leading from the street to the studio windows, so you still get the natural light (or dark) but you're not looking right out into the street. The windows are tinted so it's difficult to see in during the day, but at night you can look down into the studios from the sidewalk. Unlike WFHN, there are no blinds on those windows so anyone who walks by can see in at night. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > There was (maybe still is?) a storefront studio at WALE 990AM in > downtown Providence, RI The call letters came from when the station > was licensed to New Bedford, MA originally, I think for "The Whaling > City." There was usually a crowd peering in the sidewalk window at > night during the gay-lesbian show (....they brokered time at WALE, > anyone could be on the air who purchased time). > > Also, KPPC 1240AM in Pasadena CA had a storefront studio on Colorado > Boulevard. The station had legendary calls since 1924, formed as a > part time broadcaster of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church only to air > services all day Sundays and Wednesday nights. (It is now dark). They > also had an FM station at 106.7 which has been sold and is now a rock > station in LA. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 10:08:27 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:08:27 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of Canadian communities in their ID's. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dave Doherty" Cc: "Doug Drown" ; "Scott Fybush" ; ; "Dan.Strassberg" ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > Channel 6 was one of the first to take advantage of the new rules. > When they first signed on they were WTEV New Bedford and studios were > there. New ownership changed the calls to WLNE and studios were moved > to Providence. > > The FOX station in Burlington/Plattsburgh has used Montreal in the ID > from day 1. From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 10:32:22 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:32:22 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Doug Drown wrote: > < from day 1.>> > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of > Canadian communities in their ID's. The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC doesn't care where their programming is aimed. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 11:53:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:53:04 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the airport code for Montreal ) Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station http://www.947hits.com/ On 2/1/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > Doug Drown wrote: > > < > from day 1.>> > > > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. I > > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell CKLW a > > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company couldn't > > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could continue > > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, conversely, > > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names of > > Canadian communities in their ID's. > > The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants > to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do > about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear > attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) > > There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian > audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake > Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, > is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory > responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC > doesn't care where their programming is aimed. > > s > From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Feb 1 12:05:24 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:24 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, with a headline that must have been generated from a template: "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! --RC From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Feb 1 12:31:16 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:31:16 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually, If you scroll down to the bottom of most pages on that site, there's a link to download a .pdf of the stations EEO records. That's something you wouldn't find on a Canadian radio website... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the > airport code for Montreal ) > > Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station > > http://www.947hits.com/ > From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 12:40:02 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:40:02 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, > with a headline that must have been generated from a template: > > "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" > http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 > > Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! > > --RC > > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 14:12:58 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that will run another $15-35 . 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. These are things most of us take for granted - having access to equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how it goes together. ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Drown To: Richard Chonak ; BostonRadio Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:40:02 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chonak" To: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > The Newburyport Daily News has a piece about the analog TV phaseout, > with a headline that must have been generated from a template: > > "Elderly, poor hardest hit by switch to digital TV" > http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_003093959?page=0 > > Well, now I know what issue I'm going to be voting on this year! > > --RC > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 14:40:55 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:40:55 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Maureen Carney wrote: > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the > composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that > will run another $15-35 . > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. > > > These are things most of us take for granted - having access to > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how > it goes together. I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely accurate. The price of the converter boxes is already coming down. The Sling/Echostar box will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail price of $39.99, which means it will effectively be free with the $40 coupon, give or take a few bucks in sales tax. The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program could be made much easier for the consumer, short of TV stations sending engineers to individual homes to get everything working. (And at least at WXXI here in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need arose!) s From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 15:08:19 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The main problem with these new converters (just like when UHF was a new additional expense back in the 50's and 60's) is that, more times than not, they're numb as hell. OTA (over-the-air) Digital TV simply requires a strong signal and most times, the top-of-the-set rabbit ears or the UHF loops simply are not enough to do the job, unless you're within the near field of a station's footprint. There are still going to be some people out there (especially in THIS economy) who simply cannot afford cable or satellite service. Many of these viewers depend on the translator service for their television. When DTV becomes mandated for the translator service, many folks will be out of luck. On another note, I'm amazed on how some stations are reverting to their original analog VHF-lo channel assignments after operating their DT's on UHF. WRGB in Schenectady, NY is doing just that. Considering the hilly terrain of the area of Upstate New York and Nearby Massachusetts. VHF-lo will not work with DTV very well. It's been proven by several stations. They'd be better off with a UHF translator from Mt. Greylock. Oh, well. --- Scott Fybush wrote: > Maureen Carney wrote: > > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the > plugs to connect the > > composit or component wires. There is an external > connector, and that > > will run another $15-35 . > > > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both > need to be plugged > > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using > an additional > > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an > outlet multiplier. > > > > > > These are things most of us take for granted - > having access to > > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and > the knowledge of how > > it goes together. > > I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely > accurate. The price > of the converter boxes is already coming down. The > Sling/Echostar box > will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail > price of $39.99, which > means it will effectively be free with the $40 > coupon, give or take a > few bucks in sales tax. > > The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are > required to have > NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external > connectors" will be needed > beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm > coax connection to a > 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. > > I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved > boxes will also > include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be > plugged into. > > Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program > could be made much > easier for the consumer, short of TV stations > sending engineers to > individual homes to get everything working. (And at > least at WXXI here > in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need > arose!) > > s > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 15:23:20 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:23:20 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> Peter Q. George wrote: > The main problem with these new converters (just like > when UHF was a new additional expense back in the 50's > and 60's) is that, more times than not, they're numb > as hell. OTA (over-the-air) Digital TV simply > requires a strong signal and most times, the > top-of-the-set rabbit ears or the UHF loops simply are > not enough to do the job, unless you're within the > near field of a station's footprint. There are still > going to be some people out there (especially in THIS > economy) who simply cannot afford cable or satellite > service. Many of these viewers depend on the > translator service for their television. When DTV > becomes mandated for the translator service, many > folks will be out of luck. Except that the DTV converter box program included a VERY stringent set of technical standards for the boxes. In order for a box to be approved as eligible for the coupon, it has to meet standards for sensitivity and selectivity that far exceed the performance of most of the OTA DTV tuners currently on the market. This is not going to be a repeat of the numb-as-hell UHF converter days. NTIA's on the ball on this one. I can't wait to get my hands on one of the new boxes in a month or two to do a shootout against my Accurian converter box, which is only middlingly sensitive. I'm not going to try to claim that someone in a signal-vacuum area like Keene or Winchendon is going to get stellar results with rabbit ears all of a sudden. In the long run, it may be up to broadcasters to extend better service to these areas through the use of on-channel "single frequency network" DTV booster systems, which are much more practical in the digital realm than they would have been in analog. I do know that as I go driving in rural areas at some distance from the transmitter sites in western and central New York, it seems as though almost every home now has a dish in front of it or on the roof. I suspect that these days, penetration of direct-to-home satellite service is running just about in inverse proportion to OTA signal strength. > On another note, I'm amazed on how some stations are > reverting to their original analog VHF-lo channel > assignments after operating their DT's on UHF. WRGB > in Schenectady, NY is doing just that. Considering > the hilly terrain of the area of Upstate New York and > Nearby Massachusetts. VHF-lo will not work with DTV > very well. It's been proven by several stations. > They'd be better off with a UHF translator from Mt. > Greylock. Oh, well. WRGB is absolutely convinced that on digital, low-V will carry better into the hollows and valleys of eastern NY, VT and MA than the Us will. In terms of raw signal strength, they may well be right - it's certainly true of their analog signal. The big unknown is how bad electrical interference will be, and what effect e-skip might have on the channel 6 signal come summertime. s From cohasset@frontiernet.net Fri Feb 1 16:14:33 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:14:33 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> Message-ID: <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Fybush Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! ...as I go driving in rural areas at some distance from the transmitter sites in western and central New York, it seems as though almost every home now has a dish in front of it or on the roof. I suspect that these days, penetration of direct-to-home satellite service is running just about in inverse proportion to OTA signal strength. ******************** I live 60 miles NNE of Utica, NY, and subscribe to Dish Network, including the "local" channel option (which in this area means the Syracuse stations). But I prefer to get my local news from Channel 2 in Utica (they have a *very* cute morning anchor), but Utica is not part of *any* satellite TV "local" channel lineups. Since I don't have CATV here, I have erected a "deep-fringe" TV antenna in order to do the best job I can of getting a decent OTA signal out of the WKTV. Even now, during a sunspot minimum, the old-fashioned analog signal is marginal at best (always snowy, even when not experiencing multipath ghosting from the mountains between them and me). During sunspot maxima or periods of sporadic E-skip, Utica gets totally obliterated by other Channel 2 stations from New England to Ottawa to Missouri. How will I get WKTV a year from now? Since there's already one NBC affiliate in the Syracuse "local" channels on Dish, what's the odds of Utica being added? And, more generally, there are zip codes adjacent to mine that aren't *allowed* (by FCC, according to Dish) to have Syracuse "locals" at all! In one direction, they must take Albany; in another direction, they can't take anything at all in upstate NY, and must settle for NYC or Chicago or.... Scott mentioned single-channel DTV booster systems for rough and outlying terrain. Can anyone here comment on their cost and what, if any, regulatory hurdles will need to be overcome by a station such as Utica Channel 2 in order to get them installed? Bud Hippisley From m_carney@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 16:56:03 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Message-ID: <192387.2570.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My life is a jumble of wires!! I hope those improvements are made as I'm going on what I'm used to and what would confuse the life out of people over 65 (like my parents). As for reception, I find that I just can't find a place for the antenna that works well when I bring the Radio Shack set over to my parents house. In my apartment I just point the antenna down Route 9 towards 128 and the Needham stick and I have no problem at all. ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Fybush To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 2:40:55 PM Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! Maureen Carney wrote: > Here's 2 additional down sides not mentioned: > > 1) If you have an older TV you won't have the plugs to connect the > composit or component wires. There is an external connector, and that > will run another $15-35 . > > 2) The digital box and the external connector both need to be plugged > in. More $$$ in electricity and the pain of using an additional > outlet (someone might trip on cords) or getting an outlet multiplier. > > > These are things most of us take for granted - having access to > equipment, the money to buy it if we want it and the knowledge of how > it goes together. I didn't find the Newburyport article to be entirely accurate. The price of the converter boxes is already coming down. The Sling/Echostar box will be on the shelves soon at a suggested retail price of $39.99, which means it will effectively be free with the $40 coupon, give or take a few bucks in sales tax. The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. Really, it's hard to imagine how the whole program could be made much easier for the consumer, short of TV stations sending engineers to individual homes to get everything working. (And at least at WXXI here in Rochester, I wouldn't rule that out if the need arose!) s ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 17:01:26 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:01:26 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <008801c8646e$ec3a8f20$d38fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200802012201.m11M1QKT021036@mac.com> At 10:32 AM 2/1/2008, Scott Fybush wrote: >There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily >Canadian audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly >across Lake Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, >south of Montreal, is another - and as long as they meet their US >regulatory responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal >ID), the FCC doesn't care where their programming is aimed. There are (or were) a couple of stations (FM & TV) north of Seattle, I think licensed to Bellingham, WA, that are/were targeting audiences in the Vancouver, BC area. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 17:07:32 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:07:32 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com > References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> At 11:53 AM 2/1/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. > >http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm And they have some work to do on their site. It currently at this writing show the temperature to be 31 F and freezing rain in Burlington, and 69 F and clear in Plattsburgh. I don't think so! Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From billohno@gmail.com Fri Feb 1 17:31:19 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:31:19 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> References: <004501c8640a$e10ff8b0$79f8a742@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770801311813y69680ec7s4248a653ccf87b0f@mail.gmail.com> <47A281C7.7010707@fybush.com> <005401c8647a$e109e950$6501a8c0@pastor2> <000601c8647c$8a0c3fc0$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <005e01c86480$0d8a5460$6501a8c0@pastor2> <001901c86487$2dba8460$346ba8c0@skywaves.net> <4fc429770802010523t1026b368y1eaa5c1cd8cd680@mail.gmail.com> <00a001c864e4$4d976e30$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A33B86.6000107@fybush.com> <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> <200802012207.m11M7U4b021533@mac.com> Message-ID: <47A39DB7.5030809@gmail.com> Larry Weil wrote: > And they have some work to do on their site. It currently at this > writing show the temperature to be 31 F and freezing rain in > Burlington, and 69 F and clear in Plattsburgh. I don't think so! That would have made it 48 F in Grand Isle? Where's Al Gore when you need him? Bill O'Neill From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 17:32:11 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:32:11 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> Message-ID: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Cohasset / Hippisley wrote: > I live 60 miles NNE of Utica, NY, and subscribe to Dish Network, including > the "local" channel option (which in this area means the Syracuse stations). > But I prefer to get my local news from Channel 2 in Utica (they have a > *very* cute morning anchor), but Utica is not part of *any* satellite TV > "local" channel lineups. Since I don't have CATV here, I have erected a > "deep-fringe" TV antenna in order to do the best job I can of getting a > decent OTA signal out of the WKTV. > > Even now, during a sunspot minimum, the old-fashioned analog signal is > marginal at best (always snowy, even when not experiencing multipath > ghosting from the mountains between them and me). During sunspot maxima or > periods of sporadic E-skip, Utica gets totally obliterated by other Channel > 2 stations from New England to Ottawa to Missouri. > > How will I get WKTV a year from now? Since there's already one NBC > affiliate in the Syracuse "local" channels on Dish, what's the odds of Utica > being added? And, more generally, there are zip codes adjacent to mine that > aren't *allowed* (by FCC, according to Dish) to have Syracuse "locals" at > all! In one direction, they must take Albany; in another direction, they > can't take anything at all in upstate NY, and must settle for NYC or Chicago > or.... The Utica TV market is a very strange beast. Because Utica itself was a single-station city for so long (WKTV was the only game in town from 1949 until WUTR's sign-on in 1970), the Syracuse and Albany stations always enjoyed wide viewership in the area. When market boundaries were delineated, Utica ended up without even the whole of Oneida County in its market - western Oneida, including the city of Rome, are technically considered part of the Syracuse market. And Utica is still dependent on Syracuse's CBS and PBS outlets, having none of its own. That's made it very unattractive for the satellite companies to offer local-into-local service, because the old rules for that service said they could NOT offer anything out-of-market, no matter how "significantly viewed" it might be in the market. So any company offering local-into-local for Utica would be limited to WKTV (NBC), WUTR (ABC), WFXV (Fox) and maybe the low-power My Network affiliate WPNY. (Indeed, the cable system in Rome carries the full roster of Syracuse signals, including minor players like Univision affiliate WNYI and Pax affiliate WSPX, but doesn't carry the My or CW affiliates from nearby Utica!) Thankfully, those rules are on the verge of changing to reflect the reality of TV viewing in rural areas. New Hampshire was a big part of this - while southern NH is part of the Boston market and gets all the Boston stations plus WMUR, northern NH is divided between Burlington and Portland, meaning satellite customers in places like Hanover and Berlin and Pittsburg can't see any New Hampshire news from WMUR or public affairs from WENH/NHPTV. Under the new rules, satellite companies will be able to offer in-state, out-of-market signals to local viewers who wouldn't otherwise be able to get them - and they'll have more flexibility in adding "significantly-viewed" out-of-market signals, which means a "Utica" package could be created that would include WKTV/WUTR/WFXV, plus WTVH and WCNY from Syracuse, at the very minimum. That might encourage the satellite companies to finally offer local-into-local service for customers considered to be in the Utica and Watertown markets (Watertown's in the same boat as Utica, without a full complement of network affiliates.) > > Scott mentioned single-channel DTV booster systems for rough and outlying > terrain. Can anyone here comment on their cost and what, if any, regulatory > hurdles will need to be overcome by a station such as Utica Channel 2 in > order to get them installed? These are, essentially, on-channel translators. Right now, they're authorized under experimental licenses (there's a system running in NYC right now on channels 12 and 33 to test the concept, and WTVE-DT in the Philly market is building a system with eight or nine transmitters spread across NJ, PA, DE and even into a corner of MD). In theory, they shouldn't cost much more than a translator would cost. The only additional expense is GPS synchronization to make sure the boosters are precisely timed to the main channel. Bud, have you tried reception of WKTV-DT on channel 29? Its UHF signal should be immune to most of the propagation woes that afflict channel 2 where you are. And I'm pretty sure it's now operating at full power, at long last. s From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 1 16:34:27 2008 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:34:27 -0500 Subject: "La Voz de Fey" Dealth Fatal Blow (Bi-lingual Pun) Message-ID: <20080201213427.3AACA1CE7A2@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> For several years, an unlicensed broadcaster called in Spanish "La Voz de Fey" has been broadcasting from a hill overlooking downtown Lawrence, MA on 99.9 FM. (It seems that the 99.9 frequency in Lawrence draws unlicensed radio stations the way Olduvai Gorge attracts members of the Leakey family). However, the FCC ultimately assigned channel 260 to a "religious" broadcaster to use as a translator (in this case, the source is WMSJ-FM 89.3 in Freeport, ME). Although licensed to Lawrence, apparently the antenna is at the AM 1490 or FM 92.5 tower in Haverhill. Now W260AS is actually on-the-air and is obliterating the 'Voz de fey' only a short distance from that station's location. Unless it finds another frequency (93.3, once assigned as a translator for WBOS-FM?), "La Voz's" voice may be stilled. -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! From scott@fybush.com Fri Feb 1 18:09:29 2008 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:09:29 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A3A6A9.50507@fybush.com> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > The big losers in this will be the night watchmen and parking lot > attendants who have a little 5 inch b&w tv. I can't see themselves > getting a decoder. I suspect my tiny CASIO color tv will meet the same > fate. I can't see those sets being hooked up to decoders, either...but given how cheap both the DTV tuner chips and small LCD displays have become, inexpensive replacements should be available soon. > My only fault with the government program is sending out coupons that > expire before the boxes are even available. Several reports on the WTFDA TV/FM DX list suggest some Wal-Mart stores already have the boxes on the shelves in Indianapolis and other areas. Let's see how quickly the distribution gets out there. Keep in mind the coupons haven't even been issued yet. If they stick to the initial plan to distribute them starting 2/18/08, expiration won't be till mid-May. A lot can happen between now and then. s From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 17:54:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011454l38f7f170k7a9bae762b76f11d@mail.gmail.com> The big losers in this will be the night watchmen and parking lot attendants who have a little 5 inch b&w tv. I can't see themselves getting a decoder. I suspect my tiny CASIO color tv will meet the same fate. My only fault with the government program is sending out coupons that expire before the boxes are even available. From Cdsull502@aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:25:40 2008 From: Cdsull502@aol.com (Cdsull502@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:25:40 EST Subject: Battery Powered TVs Message-ID: As a resident of hurricane prone South Florida, I am going to miss the life line that battery powered black and white TVs provided. During Hurricane Wilma in 2005, my home had no power for two weeks. The emergency broadcasts from the local Miami TV stations were invaluable in keeping local residents informed. After February of next year, that life line will disappear. I have not heard anyone discuss this concern. How long will it be until cheap battery operated digital TVs will be available? Chris Sullivan CdSull502@aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Feb 1 18:35:54 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:35:54 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> At 06:25 PM 2/1/2008, Cdsull502@aol.com wrote: >As a resident of hurricane prone South Florida, I am going to miss the life >line that battery powered black and white TVs provided. During Hurricane >Wilma in 2005, my home had no power for two weeks. The emergency >broadcasts >from the local Miami TV stations were invaluable in keeping local residents >informed. After February of next year, that life line will disappear. I >have not heard anyone discuss this concern. How long will it be until cheap >battery operated digital TVs will be available? If you have a laptop computer you can currently get a hybrid (analog + DTV) receiver that plugs into a USB jack and is about the size of a flash drive. These are often on sale for about $80. Just make sure you have a means of charging the laptop's battery from your car power. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 18:43:03 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:43:03 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> References: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011543o22b0b86lb57ffcf2c3d0d638@mail.gmail.com> The average consumer will not even think about this until after the fact. People may actually discover AM radio. From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 1 18:57:10 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:57:10 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> Doug Drown wrote: >Well, it may sound hysterical, but there's a lot of truth to it. I live in >a very rural area in one of the poorest counties of Maine. A lot of our >senior citizens have only roof antennas, and some of them live on very >meager fixed incomes. It's hard to argue with the assertion that buying a >converter box won't be a financial burden to them. I don't know of any >program around here in which help will be offered. -Doug How does digital tv range compare with analog? Where I live in northern N.H. we receive one semi-watchable channel (WCAX from Burlington). Even with a large rooftop antenna and booster amp, reception is kinda snowy at times. Watchable, but I'm concerned that the signal is below the threshold for digital reception. Can't seem to get a straight answer on whether or not I'll be able to receive the digital signal. I'd imagine others in rural areas have the same problem. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 18:58:52 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:58:52 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> This is a two part question that I have been pondering. 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major population areas is becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer exist. Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the former CKVL. 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside major markets? I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 19:48:35 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:48:35 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> References: <439195.50985.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A37FB8.7050704@fybush.com> <002601c86517$71f390a0$55dab1e0$@net> <47A39DEB.1030103@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 20:04:49 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:04:49 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! Message-ID: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an extensive history of WRGB on the site. It is one of the best online narrative histories I've read of any broadcasting station, anywhere. Freedom has made what I think is a magnanimous tip of the hat to General Electric and its many years of ownership. -Doug From hykker@wildblue.net Fri Feb 1 19:59:59 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:59:59 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080202010008.640D336D646@mail1.wildblue.net> kvahey@comcast.net wrote: >I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national >service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be >astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch >AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the >Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? I never understood that myself. It's not like the spectrum is particularly useful for much else. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:01:30 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:01:30 -0500 Subject: Licensed to non-actual locations In-Reply-To: <009901c86536$509599c0$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802010853j7859f42duda744db0663e527@mail.gmail.com> <009901c86536$509599c0$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011701x4f97fda0h5249c0fed64ba05b@mail.gmail.com> In the midwest it is always warmer on the west side of Lake Michigan so maybe the same applies. :) There are some that consider Lake Champlain to be the 6th Great Lake. There has been some flack in Quebec as in the past few weeks Boston net stations have appeared where Burlington and Plattsburgh channels are supposed to be. I only found this out when a friend at the Montreal Gazette emailed me wanting to know who the drunk guy with the arm sling doing sports was on CBS. He lives on the south shore in Greenwood Park. He says the Boston HD signal is much better than Vermont. On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Any else notice the bizarre Time/Weather continuum up there? > > 30 and Freezing Rain in Burlington, 19 and Snow in Montreal.but 69 and Clear > in the tropical paradise of Plattsburgh > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:53 AM > To: Scott Fybush > Cc: Dan.Strassberg; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: Licensed to non-actual locations > > > > The FOX44 website is pretty clear on the matter. > > > > http://www.fox44.net/z-home.htm > > > > Nothing beats 94.7 in Chateaugay NY. Call letters are WYUL ( the > > airport code for Montreal ) > > > > Look at their website as there is no hint that it is a US based station > > > > http://www.947hits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > On 2/1/08, Scott Fybush wrote: > > > Doug Drown wrote: > > > > < > > > from day 1.>> > > > > > > > > I was curious about whether that could be done, given CRTC regulations. > I > > > > think it was because of the CRTC that RKO General was forced to sell > CKLW a > > > > short time before the company itself disbanded: an American company > couldn't > > > > own a Canadian broadcasting station. I wondered whether CKLW could > continue > > > > to brand itself "CKLW Detroit/Windsor" after that, and whether, > conversely, > > > > American stations that are adjacent to the border can include the names > of > > > > Canadian communities in their ID's. > > > > > > The CRTC has no regulatory authority over US stations, so if WFFF wants > > > to call itself "Burlington/Plattsburgh/Montreal," what could Canada do > > > about it? (Other than pull it off cable, but that would be a nuclear > > > attack on a gnat, in terms of proportional response.) > > > > > > There are a handful of US radio stations that target primarily Canadian > > > audiences - WTOR Youngstown NY, a daytimer on 770 directly across Lake > > > Ontario from Toronto, is one; WCHL 760 Champlain NY, south of Montreal, > > > is another - and as long as they meet their US regulatory > > > responsibilities (main studio, public file, EAS, legal ID), the FCC > > > doesn't care where their programming is aimed. > > > > > > s > > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 1 20:10:01 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:10:01 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM To: Scott Fybush Cc: B-R-I Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:15:15 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:15:15 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > -Paul Hopfgarten > -Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > kvahey@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > To: Scott Fybush > Cc: B-R-I > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 20:23:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:23:45 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011723n72312401r406ae7fe9bcba78b@mail.gmail.com> What I noticed last summer driving on the 401 is the FM band between population centers is now a lot of hash as stations are too close to each other. I just don't understand the logic behind this. Again I have to ask why should a US station protect a signal that no longer exists. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:57:24 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:57:24 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> As for CBC in the Maritimes, I know that one new FM is being constructed in P.E.I. to compensate for the loss of 1070 AM in Moncton. But one of the complaints I heard about, early on, was from commercial fishermen and other boaters who were very dependent upon 1070 for weather information while out on the sea. I don't know the CBC plans to address that. I agree: this was a silly idea. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" ; "Scott Fybush" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: The future of AM radio > This is a two part question that I have been pondering. > > 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major population areas is > becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the > unused spectrum? On a related matter would the CRTC be open to > allowing non-Canadian signals to readust protection patterns for > stations that no longer exist. Prime example would be WEEI who no > longer should worry about the former CKVL. > > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside major markets? > > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national > service off AM. The expense of providing full FM coverage has to be > astronomical given the land area involved. Why eliminate the blowtorch > AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially at night. Will the > Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:13:04 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:13:04 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> References: <47A35154.2050203@gabrielmass.com> <00c601c864f9$7a2330a0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <20080201235721.AAB8132C2C3@mail3.wildblue.net> Message-ID: I'm in an urban apartment 15 mi NE of the Needham towers. I have a hard time getting ATSC signals, but analog signals are even worse. I get WBZ, WCVB, WHDH, WGBH and WGBX in ATSC on most days. I only get WHDH in analog and poorly at that. Then again, there are trees planted outside my window.) ATSC doesn't require as much S/N as NTSC for a good signal, about 16 dB vs. 25-30 dB or so for analog. The killer for ATSC is multipath ("ghosts"). Roof antennas would be fabulous for digital if they were in good shape and not too many big features nearby. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:31:24 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:31:24 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: The boxes approved for use in the coupon program are required to have NTSC RF outputs, so no additional "external connectors" will be needed beyond - MAYBE - a $2 balun to convert the 75-ohm coax connection to a 300-ohm twin-lead connection for really old sets. Reading between the lines of the NTIA recommendations, it seems most manufacturers will put the balun in the box. That said, I've owned some old sets and even when I got my sets out of dumpsters as a poor apartment dweller in the late eighties, it was becoming unusual to find sets of that era with only 300-ohm terminals or even any 300-ohm terminals. From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Feb 1 21:33:08 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:33:08 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least 35% Canadian content. > On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian > signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer > exist. Only if they get something in return. > Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the > former CKVL. WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a dozen 850s between Boston and Denver. > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside > major markets? U.S. radio is not regulated on the basis of protecting stations from in-market competition as it is in Canada, so no. If an AM station goes off the air, and the facility is still technically feasible, someone else can apply for it at the next window. > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national > service off AM. The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people actually listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 21:49:59 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:49:59 -0500 Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown Message-ID: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> This is semi-broadcast related and happened at ESPN. This is a doozy A clip turned up on You Tube this week that somebody in Bristol, CT has been sitting on for 8 years. This clip had to come from the inside as since it was shot on the set in Bristol there was no backhaul involved. What I find fascinating is why somebody at ESPN would be rolling tape on Berman during a commercial. WARNING....Chris Berman uses language that would make George Carlin blush http://deadspin.com/351147/chris-berman-is-somewhat-perturbed-with-the-help?autoplay=true From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:00:34 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:00:34 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 9:33 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, > technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 > Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) > provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking > advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least > 35% Canadian content. How exactly is this enforced? For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied were they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC (CFCF) 600? I know that when the station first signed on they wanted to do the Expos in both English and French (690) but the CRTC said no they had to be news only. However in the past few years they have been running some talk shows now and becoming an equal to CJAD with the remaining anglophone population. > > Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the > > former CKVL. > > WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that > WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a dozen > 850s between Boston and Denver. > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Feb 1 21:15:58 2008 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:15:58 -0500 Subject: Battery Powered TVs In-Reply-To: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> References: <200802012335.m11NZqvf003798@mac.com> Message-ID: Radio Shack has a 7" LCD with a digital tuner that runs on batteries. I was very surprised to see the old analog TV audio sets still for sale at Walmart today; they will all turn to pumpkins. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:09:45 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:09:45 -0500 Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown In-Reply-To: <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011909y19bb7713k394f627f610c9308@mail.gmail.com> OK that explains that it would be a backhaul I had forgotten about him doing the ABC pregame at ESPN Zone. On Feb 1, 2008 10:02 PM, Sean Smyth wrote: > > It was not shot in Bristol. It was shot at the ESPNZONE in Manhattan. > Still, I'm mystified that it took so long for this to come out. From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Feb 1 22:25:58 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:58 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770802011925l4a1798c6n9f050b7a3a43cab1@mail.gmail.com> There are a lot of ExpressVu dishes in Florida so the snowbirds can get their home programing. I also know of a bar in Chicago that has a DirecTV box that thinks it is in Natick. This way the bar gets NESN HD for Red Sox games. Scott mentioned Utica as being an odd market and one can understand how they were bypassed by the dish services. Bangor on the other hand should be included. Northern New Hampshire doesn't get WMUR because DirecTV considers Channels 9 and 50 to be BOSTON stations These blackout policies have to be changed. Major League Baseball has rules that border on the insanity. A baseball fan in Buffalo who PAYS for the MLB Extra innings package is still blacked out of games that include the Mets, Yankees, Indians and Pirates because they are considered local ( yet Toronto is allowed ) http://bp1.blogger.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/RhUvZd19-xI/AAAAAAAAHg4/nE8fsbE7hmg/s1600-h/MLBBLACKOUT.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 10:13 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed to > order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian units. > However, the Canadian service does not include several channels available to > US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states for > billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. You'd > think both companies would have done everything possible to make it close to > impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly > needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but they > haven't. > > Howard > > From: > > > > It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he > > should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything > > after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. > > > > > > > > On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > > > > > -Paul Hopfgarten > > > -Derry NH > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of > > > kvahey@comcast.net > > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > > > To: Scott Fybush > > > Cc: B-R-I > > > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > > > > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > > > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > > > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > > > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > > > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > > > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > > > > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > > > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > > > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > > > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > > > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > > > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > > > > > > > > > > > From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 1 22:13:38 2008 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:13:38 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com><00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed to order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian units. However, the Canadian service does not include several channels available to US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states for billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. You'd think both companies would have done everything possible to make it close to impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but they haven't. Howard From: > It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he > should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything > after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. > > > > On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market > > > > -Paul Hopfgarten > > -Derry NH > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org > > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > > kvahey@comcast.net > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM > > To: Scott Fybush > > Cc: B-R-I > > Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! > > > > I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in > > the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor antenna > > setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor > > and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal for > > 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV > > either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. > > > > So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell > > Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He > > doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal > > but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not > > get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay > > DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. > > > > > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 22:02:36 2008 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: when talent does into an off-air meltdown In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011849s42bca257g57399f7f5b762e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <313825.88506.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > This is semi-broadcast related and happened at ESPN. This is a doozy > > A clip turned up on You Tube this week that somebody in Bristol, CT > has been sitting on for 8 years. > > This clip had to come from the inside as since it was shot on the set > in Bristol there was no backhaul involved. > > What I find fascinating is why somebody at ESPN would be rolling tape > on Berman during a commercial. > > WARNING....Chris Berman uses language that would make George Carlin > blush > > http://deadspin.com/351147/chris-berman-is-somewhat-perturbed-with-the-help?autoplay=true It was not shot in Bristol. It was shot at the ESPNZONE in Manhattan. Still, I'm mystified that it took so long for this to come out. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From map@mapinternet.com Fri Feb 1 23:09:03 2008 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:09:03 -0500 Subject: Re-analog tv phaseout-small converters Message-ID: <00fe01c86551$596903f0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Check out the atsc+ntsc tuners available for computers (both desktop and laptop versions are available-and work pretty well) right now, on line and at places like Circuit City for $75-125. Some are about as small as a pack of gum. So, it won't be surprising to see a tiny ATSC converter that screws on to the F connector in between the TV and Antenna. Mark Casey K1MAP From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 23:19:31 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:31 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com><18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c86553$08069840$16f8a742@SatU205S5044> WEEI's towers are in-line. It's a law of physics that the pattern MUST be symmetrical about that line (it's at an azimuth of 80 degrees--just a little counterclockwise from due east-west). Rotating the pattern slightly or making asymmetrical would require relocating a tower (or two) and would invoke both the FCC's ratchet rule and the inevitable wrath of the NIMBY neighbors in upscale Needham. The ratchet rule mandates draconian reductions in interference to existing stations (including stations that did not exist or were not on 850 when the present WEEI facilities were built right after World War II). The ratchet rule is what killed former owner American Radio Systems' plan to move 850 to the superior WRKO site in Burlington. In the absence of the ratchet rule and with the blessing of the NIMBY Needham neighbors (lotsa luck), the move would have allowed WEEI to cover southern NH and Cape Cod with a very strong signal day and night. Only the Wellesley/Natick/Framingham area would have suffered and only at night--and that area doesn't get a very good nighttime signal from the existing 850 anyhow. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to > continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and > southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 1 23:21:03 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:21:03 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001601c86553$0865f650$16f8a742@SatU205S5044> When WHDH moved to Needham and increased from 5 kW DA-N to 50 kW DA-2 the following stations more-or less between Boston and Denver were either already on 850 or held CPs for 850: WJW, WKBZ, WEEU, WNAO and WXKW. The death of WXKW made CKVL possible. Ex-WJW is still there and now with a killer 50 kW daytime signal, WEEU moved to 830 with much more power, Johnstown PA with its nine-tower array and 10 kW-U came along a quarter century or so ago, Norfolk VA (which took the heritage WTAR calls from 790 a few years back) is now also there with 50 kW D and 25 kW N (six towers at night). As one of only three Class IB channels with no fulltime Class I station east of the Mississipi (the main other one was 680), 850 was a very popular home for multiple high-power fulltime AMs in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states. (1070 didn't exactly count because of the need to protect CBA in addition to KNX. On 1070, the closest full-timer to CBA is in north-central PA, but the frequency is chock-a-block full with ex-Class IIs in the midwest all the way to KS as well as VA, NC, and places further south. Probably because the daytime signals had somewhat more reach on the lower 680 frequency, there weren't quite as many 680s as 850s in the same geographic area, but it is interesting to note that Boston and Raleigh both have stations on both frequencies. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: The future of AM radio > < >> What exactly does the CRTC plan to do with the unused spectrum? > > The evidence is that they are perfectly prepared to license new, > technically feasible AM stations (as witness 740 Toronto, 1040 > Montreal, 1580 in two different cities, 1610 Montreal, and others) > provided the owners meet their usual requirements of not taking > advertising revenue away from existing stations and playing at least > 35% Canadian content. > >> On a related matter would the CRTC be open to allowing non-Canadian >> signals to readust protection patterns for stations that no longer >> exist. > > Only if they get something in return. > >> Prime example would be WEEI who no longer should worry about the >> former CKVL. > > WEEI doesn't protect ex-CKVL except by the historical accident that > WEEI's deep null towards KOA made it possible to drop in half a > dozen > 850s between Boston and Denver. > >> 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in the US outside >> major markets? > > U.S. radio is not regulated on the basis of protecting stations from > in-market competition as it is in Canada, so no. If an AM station > goes off the air, and the facility is still technically feasible, > someone else can apply for it at the next window. > >> I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC wanted the national >> service off AM. > > The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention > commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people > actually > listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM > signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? > > -GAWollman > From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Feb 2 00:41:23 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:41:23 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com> <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied were > they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC (CFCF) > 600? It wasn't a new station, so there was no additional competition for advertising. > In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to > continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and > southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. Um, Quebec City is literally due north of WEEI. WEEI unaugmented night pattern, electric field at 1 km (mV/m) RMS = 2623 min = 1.13 (at 277 degrees true, almost precisely toward KOA) max = 4168 (at 29 degrees true and again at 131 degrees true) The field at 0 degrees true (towards Quebec City) is 3298 mV/m. The null, loosely defined, is from 311 degrees true (approx. NW) to 221 degrees (approx. SW). KOA, as a class-IB station, would have required stronger protection than any of the class-II stations on 850, and I believe the pattern itself is clear evidence that the WEEI array was designed only to protect KOA, and the protection it gives to the other stations on the channel is an artifact. (That is to say, at the time it was built, eliminating all of those stations from consideration would have resulted in an identical array design.) -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Feb 2 01:21:05 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:21:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.bostonradio.org > To: "Kevin Vahey" > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:19:31 -0500 > > Only the Wellesley/Natick/Framingham area would have > suffered and only at night--and that area doesn't get a > very good nighttime signal from the existing 850 anyhow. Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. It does get flakey in Framingham, and I recall being in a spot in Holliston where open terrain actually allowed me to see the WEEI towers 10 miles away, but I must've been right in the null because all I was getting was a badly phase-distorted weak signal. EP From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:54 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:54 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 14:40, Scott Fybush wrote: > I think, but don't know for sure, that the approved boxes will also > include a convenience outlet for the TV set to be plugged into. I have cable, but I also have a Casio battery-operated LCD portable, and I'd really like to be able to get a battery-operated converter for it. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:55 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 20:04, Doug Drown wrote: > I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and > noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" > moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. I notice the URL is CBS6Albany.com . Did they change their COL from Schenectady? > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > extensive history of WRGB on the site. It is one of the best online > narrative histories I've read of any broadcasting station, anywhere. > Freedom has made what I think is a magnanimous tip of the hat to > General Electric and its many years of ownership. If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Feb 2 01:16:55 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:16:55 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com>, <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2008 at 21:33, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The CRTC doesn't care, near as I can tell. The CBC (not to mention > commercial broadcasters) wants to be on the band that people actually > listen to, and that's FM. How would you like to have the only AM > signal in your market, when the other dozen stations are on FM? I understand wanting to be on the FM band. I don't understand turning off the AM signals, when the AM signals reach places that the FM signals don't. What's wrong with having signals in both bands? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 02:35:04 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:35:04 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS Message-ID: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> As of 6pm last night, WBOS is now calling itself "Radio 92.9" and has flipped to a gold intensive alternative format. The playlist is heavy with 90's grunge like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Weezer, Green Day, Stone Temple Pilots, Foo Fighters, etc. They're playing a couple of currents an hour but that's about it. Most of the songs on their playlist are also on WBCN and WFNX. Even WAAF is playing a lot of those artists as well. According to an article on radioandrecords.com, GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 02:24:44 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:24:44 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com><00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> There are also many channels on the Canadian services that play primarily Canadian Content. That was the deal XM and Sirius struck with the CRTC to expand their reach north of the border. Much of that stuff is gosh-awful and the handful of hits get ridiculously overplayed. This stuff can be found in abundance on local terrestrial stations. Satellite listeners in Canada are burnt out on the Cancon, and getting the US service gives them a much wider variety of music to choose from. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 1, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Howard Glazer wrote: > A similar situation exists in satellite radio. Canadians are supposed > to > order their XM and Sirius service through those companies' Canadian > units. > However, the Canadian service does not include several channels > available to > US listeners, so Canadians set up phony PO Box addresses in the states > for > billing purposes and subscribe to the full-lineup American service. > You'd > think both companies would have done everything possible to make it > close to > impossible for Canadians to do that, since grey-market subs take badly > needed money away from Sirius Canada and the struggling XM Canada, but > they > haven't. > > Howard > > From: > >> It is grey in the sense he is paying ExpressVu for service that he >> should not be able to get. Black market he wouldn't be paying anything >> after buying hardware like the old cable boxes. >> >> >> >> On 2/1/08, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: >>> OK, define the difference between a "grey" market and a black market >>> >>> -Paul Hopfgarten >>> -Derry NH >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org >>> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On >>> Behalf > Of >>> kvahey@comcast.net >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:49 PM >>> To: Scott Fybush >>> Cc: B-R-I >>> Subject: Re: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! >>> >>> I have a friend who lives about as far 'downeast' as you can get in >>> the coastal town of Addison, ME. He has a Channel Master rotor >>> antenna >>> setup and he can get a snowy signal from channels 2 and 5 in Bangor >>> and nothing from 7. Yet DirecTV says Addison gets a Grade A signal >>> for >>> 7 and Grade B for 2. He can't get Portland stations from DirecTV >>> either. Bangor still isn't uplinked. >>> >>> So now he has both DirecTV and a grey market ExpressVu from Bell >>> Canada. With the canadian dish he gets all the Boston stations. He >>> doesn't like paying for 2 services especially with one being illegal >>> but was forced to do it. How can Bangor with 3 VHF outlets still not >>> get uplinked? One would think the Bangor outlets would agree to pay >>> DirecTV or Dish for coverage to reach all of northern Maine. >>> >>> >> >> > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Feb 2 07:26:08 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:26:08 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com><18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770802011900p36ba2f09l179d182f00cd9af9@mail.gmail.com> <18340.643.503631.216753@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001901c86596$ccb198f0$e8eda644@SatU205S5044> Garrett: I think you are quite correct that WHDH would have arrived at the same design for its array by considering the then-existing and permitted co-channel Class IIs in the northeast as by considering only KOA. It's also possible, I suppose, that WHDH had applied for its power increase/Tx move before World War II and the FCC granted the CP before the war but construction could not begin until 1946 or so because of wartime restrictions (which prevented most station construction for the duration of the war). So the CP for WHDH's upgrade may have predated the other Class II CPs. However, if WHDH's CP did not predate the other Class II CPs, weren't the FCC rules regarding protection of existing stations, CPs, and applications essentially the same then as they are now? That is, wouldn't WHDH have been required to demonstrate in its application that designing to protect only KOA would result in at least the required protections to all of the then licensed, permitted, and applied-for Class IIs? WJW is probably the key to the answer to this question. As suggested by its its three-letter calls (dropped by the AM decades ago but still in use, I believe, on TV), it is a very old station. But it may have moved to 850 only a little before WHDH moved to Needham. Or if WHDH applied to move to Needham before the war, WJW may have applied to move to 850 AFTER WHDH applied to move to Needham but may have completed construction of its 850 facilities before the US entered the war. The history of such things is sometimes very difficult to establish. Despite claims I've heard repeatedly that WHDH (in its 5-kW incarnation in Saugus) was the first full-time US Class II on what had been a de-facto Class IA channel, I believe that those honors rightfully go to WPTF on 680. Both WHDH and WPTF were daytimers for several years (because of KOA and KPO respectively), but I believe that WPTF was licensed for night operation before WHDH was--and well before WLAW (itself, originally a daytimer) even signed on. US AM radio history---I love it! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > < said: > >> For example when CINW took over the slot that CBM once occupied >> were >> they given an exemption since the station was the former CIQC >> (CFCF) >> 600? > > It wasn't a new station, so there was no additional competition for > advertising. > >> In theory couldn't the pattern be tweaked to allow the signal to >> continue north while not in any way be beamed to the west and >> southwest? I do know WEEI booms into Quebec City at night. > > Um, Quebec City is literally due north of WEEI. > > WEEI unaugmented night pattern, electric field at 1 km (mV/m) > RMS = 2623 > min = 1.13 (at 277 degrees true, almost precisely toward KOA) > max = 4168 (at 29 degrees true and again at 131 degrees true) > > The field at 0 degrees true (towards Quebec City) is 3298 mV/m. > The null, loosely defined, is from 311 degrees true (approx. NW) to > 221 degrees (approx. SW). > > KOA, as a class-IB station, would have required stronger protection > than any of the class-II stations on 850, and I believe the pattern > itself is clear evidence that the WEEI array was designed only to > protect KOA, and the protection it gives to the other stations on > the > channel is an artifact. (That is to say, at the time it was built, > eliminating all of those stations from consideration would have > resulted in an identical array design.) > > -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 2 09:50:04 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:50:04 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! Message-ID: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com> Joe, I too am unable to find the WRGB history in the freedom.com site. so I sent them a request for the URL, reporting that I am a native of WRGB-area, and plan to return there soon. I will copy any reply to the group. Bob > > > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > > extensive history of WRGB on the site. > > If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? > > -- From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 2 10:17:12 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:17:12 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! References: <380-2200826214504875@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <016f01c865ae$affb3550$6501a8c0@pastor2> Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click "News." You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. As for "CBS6" being in Albany, I think that's used only as the website URL and as part of the e-mail address. If memory serves, the station ID before the 6 PM news gives the location as Schenectady-Albany-Troy. Doubtless the Albany moniker is used because Albany is the dominant city and the state capital, but personally I find it irritating, especially given the attention they give to the station's history. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! > Joe, I too am unable to find the WRGB history in the freedom.com site. > so I sent them a request for the URL, reporting that I am a native of > WRGB-area, > and plan to return there soon. I will copy any reply to the group. > > Bob > > > > > > > BTW, for you history buffs, Freedom Broadcasting has included an > > > extensive history of WRGB on the site. > > > > If they do, the link is well-hidden. How do I find it? > > > > -- > > From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 10:33:37 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:33:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio Message-ID: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. It does get flakey in Framingham, and I recall being in a spot in Holliston where open terrain actually allowed me to see the WEEI towers 10 miles away, but I must've been right in the null because all I was getting was a badly phase-distorted weak signal. EP OK I grew up in Holliston (family is still there) and live in Framingham. If I'm travelling between the two after dark I lose 850 around the Ashland/Southboro line. However 103.7 comes in just fine, until I hit Route 9 (near the Mass Pike) and get interference from WPKQ. Then I have to swtich back over to 850. I also lose 850 on the Mass Pike itself near the Route 30 exit at night. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Feb 2 11:07:18 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:07:18 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> That's a tough spot. 1440 is OK (not great, but OK) at night up to the Westboro side of Southboro and then it's gone. Most of the time 103.7 is at least serviceable until you get to Shopper's World along Route 9, then at least you can get some signal from 850. Once you get past Rt. 27, 850 booms right in. It's surprising how quickly that night signal deteriorates just driving a few miles west of Wellesley. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Maureen Carney wrote: > OK I grew up in Holliston (family is still there) and live in > Framingham. If I'm travelling between the two after dark I lose 850 > around the Ashland/Southboro line. However 103.7 comes in just fine, > until I hit Route 9 (near the Mass Pike) and get interference from > WPKQ. Then I have to swtich back over to 850. I also lose 850 on the > Mass Pike itself near the Route 30 exit at night. From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 2 11:22:23 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:22:23 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND Message-ID: <380-22008262162223828@ix.netcom.com> ok, a weirdness.... if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com news, (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/albany-news/) click at text "read the WRGB history section" (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/) got "404 Not Found, The content you are looking for is unavailable" ah ha, BUT if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com, mouse touch "news" header, (opens menu), then click on blue box "WRGB history", (also http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/) it DOES come up ok! consistantly. my guess is a site programmer error, or site overload, to give a 404. Thank you Doug. > [Original Message] > From: Doug Drown > To: ; > Date: 2/2/2008 10:12:21 AM > Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > > Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click "News." > You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 11:39:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was designed to protect KOA Denver but it was also designed in the 1940's when the population west of Natick was sparse compared to now. Couldn't it be tweaked so night coverage in northern Middlesex county be improved? It is frustrating to hear Mike Adams fighting over the mighty fulltime day signal from Pan Yam whatever in upstate NY I doubt it could be improved west of Framingham because of Denver but certainly it could be improved to the northwest unless I am missing something. I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 2 11:59:23 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:59:23 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770802011558i381e2129m32f8b1269a3376a1@mail.gmail.com>, <18339.54884.555311.991721@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <47A3C487.23159.7BDEE0@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47A4A16B.9020205@gmail.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > I understand wanting to be on the FM band. I don't understand > turning off the AM signals, when the AM signals reach places that the > FM signals don't. What's wrong with having signals in both bands? > I agree. It works well for WXZO (96.7 Willsboro) // WEAV (960 Plattsburgh). The 5 kW AMer goes up and over hills in many places where the FM simply chokes. (The 1320 Randolph is out of market.) Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sat Feb 2 12:03:48 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:03:48 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> David Tomm wrote: > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up with this stuff. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Feb 2 12:37:42 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:37:42 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> <47A4A274.9050307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770802020937i49d45b9er28c7c7611fd1f816@mail.gmail.com> They also fired all the jocks no announcers with this change On 2/2/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > David Tomm wrote: > > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... > > I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call > this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing > virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up > with this stuff. > > Bill O'Neill > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 11:44:39 2008 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:44:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <012601c86536$93a1e840$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <881594.67759.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I totally agree with you, Doug. CBA/1070 is an unusual case. This signal should be preserved for situations like the commercial fishermen and boaters who depend on that strong AM signal that covers the entire Maritime Provinces like a glove. FM requires multiple transmitters and is basically useless to the ships at sea. And of course, much of Maritime Canada's economy is maritime based. I really don't think that CBC would lose much in keeping the 1070 signal on the air. The CRTC should consider this to be a special circumstance and should allow the 1070 operation to continue as well as the new FM service. Plus the fact, people in far flung locations truly enjoy the programming of CBC Radio One on 1070 from Moncton, even here in the States. --- Doug Drown wrote: > As for CBC in the Maritimes, I know that one new FM > is being constructed in > P.E.I. to compensate for the loss of 1070 AM in > Moncton. But one of the > complaints I heard about, early on, was from > commercial fishermen and other > boaters who were very dependent upon 1070 for > weather information while out > on the sea. I don't know the CBC plans to address > that. > > I agree: this was a silly idea. > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" > ; "Scott > Fybush" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:58 PM > Subject: The future of AM radio > > > > This is a two part question that I have been > pondering. > > > > 1. In Canada the AM band outside of the major > population areas is > > becoming extinct. What exactly does the CRTC plan > to do with the > > unused spectrum? On a related matter would the > CRTC be open to > > allowing non-Canadian signals to readust > protection patterns for > > stations that no longer exist. Prime example would > be WEEI who no > > longer should worry about the former CKVL. > > > > 2. Could we ever see the FCC do the same thing in > the US outside major > markets? > > > > I have never understood why the CBC and CRTC > wanted the national > > service off AM. The expense of providing full FM > coverage has to be > > astronomical given the land area involved. Why > eliminate the blowtorch > > AM signals that could fill in the gaps especially > at night. Will the > > Maritimes have full service when 1070 goes silent? > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Feb 2 12:47:34 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:47:34 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <120197445501@mx04.gis.net> > >Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to >Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite >the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI >towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far >from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. > WEEI is painful / unlistenable as close to the transmitter site as 2.5 - 3 miles away in South Natick along route 16. From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sat Feb 2 12:50:27 2008 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:50:27 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.co m> References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <120197462801@mx04.gis.net> > >I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real >estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to >the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. Several years ago Entercom did sell off a piece of their land in Needham for housing. Was mentioned on this list at the time. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 12:56:53 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:56:53 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <150141.93060.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47A375C7.3060001@fybush.com> <47A3C486.9467.7BDC50@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 AM -0500 2/2/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > >I have cable, but I also have a Casio battery-operated LCD portable, >and I'd really like to be able to get a battery-operated converter >for it. It would probably cost less just to replace the portable than to get a converter, if one even ever exists. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 12:58:25 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:58:25 -0500 Subject: WRGB is back! In-Reply-To: <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <012c01c86537$9ca89640$6501a8c0@pastor2> <47A3C487.5429.7BDE15@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 AM -0500 2/2/08, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Feb 2008 at 20:04, Doug Drown wrote: > >> I was looking for something on the WRGB website a moment ago and >> noticed, happily, that while the station still uses the "CBS6" >> moniker, they have returned the WRGB call letters to the logo. > >I notice the URL is CBS6Albany.com . Did they change their COL from >Schenectady? I believe they can use anything they want for the URL of their web site, that is not something the FCC licenses. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 2 13:06:20 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:06:20 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <10961025.1201933265126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <120197445501@mx04.gis.net> Message-ID: <01b501c865c6$5129c100$6501a8c0@pastor2> When I lived in north central Mass. years ago, I never could get the old WHDH at night. In fact, the only Boston station that did come in after dark was WBZ. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bello" To: "Eli Polonsky" ; Cc: "Dan.Strassberg" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > > > > >Actually, the WEEI towers are in such close proximity to > >Wellesley that their night signal is pretty good despite > >the pattern. It's still not too bad in Natick. The WEEI > >towers are on the southwestern edge of Needham, not far > >from the Wellesley, Dover and Natick lines. > > > > WEEI is painful / unlistenable as close to the transmitter site > as 2.5 - 3 miles away in South Natick along route 16. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 13:02:38 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:02:38 -0500 Subject: Scary news about the analog TV phaseout! In-Reply-To: <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> References: <4fc429770802011648h7a71e6b1h18f94a91d6da7ee@mail.gmail.com> <00b801c86538$581abb60$598fe847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <4fc429770802011715h6b2293cdgd17a8081ce6f243e@mail.gmail.com> <004901c86549$9bc8b860$b6834c0c@oemcomputer> <2e3df097cba5d5bf9a83193c7967825a@charter.net> Message-ID: At 2:24 AM -0500 2/2/08, David Tomm wrote: >There are also many channels on the Canadian services that play >primarily Canadian Content. That was the deal XM and Sirius struck >with the CRTC to expand their reach north of the border. Much of >that stuff is gosh-awful and the handful of hits get ridiculously >overplayed. This stuff can be found in abundance on local >terrestrial stations. Satellite listeners in Canada are burnt out >on the Cancon, and getting the US service gives them a much wider >variety of music to choose from. At this point the Canadian service includes most of the US music channels. They were able to carry more US channels by adding Canadian traffic channels. The regulation just specifies a ratio of US channels to Canadian channels. US subscriptions to Sirius also include the Canadian channels, though some of them are only available if you have a newer receiver. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Feb 2 13:05:22 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:05:22 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> References: <8d039ba9e11357735d4ac0c043e40ede@charter.net> Message-ID: At 2:35 AM -0500 2/2/08, David Tomm wrote: >As of 6pm last night, WBOS is now calling itself "Radio 92.9" and >has flipped to a gold intensive alternative format. The playlist is >heavy with 90's grunge like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Red >Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Weezer, Green Day, Stone Temple Pilots, Foo >Fighters, etc. They're playing a couple of currents an hour but >that's about it. Most of the songs on their playlist are also on >WBCN and WFNX. Even WAAF is playing a lot of those artists as well. >According to an article on radioandrecords.com, GM is calling it an >updated AAA format, but it's really just another 90's based rock >station. Like we really need another one of those..... So it seems the only AAA left in the Boston market is WRVX. Though, looking at some of the stuff that's come out about WUMB recently, both last week's globe article and their recent member newsletter, it seems they may be moving somewhat in that direction also. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Feb 2 13:14:43 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:14:43 -0500 Subject: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND References: <380-22008262162223828@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <004101c865c7$7d153be0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Actually it is clearly a "coding error".. the url that ends with "....cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/" is looking for an html document named "wrgbhistory" in the "sections" folder... the url that ends with "...cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/" is looking for a html document named "history" in the "wrgb" folder in the "sections" folder... Fat fingers will get you all the time! Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! FOUND > ok, a weirdness.... > > if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com > news, (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/albany-news/) > click at text "read the WRGB history section" > (http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgbhistory/) > got "404 Not Found, The content you are looking for is unavailable" > > > ah ha, BUT if start with http://www.cbs6albany.com, > mouse touch "news" header, (opens menu), then click on blue box "WRGB > history", > (also http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/wrgb/history/) > it DOES come up ok! consistantly. > > my guess is a site programmer error, or site overload, to give a 404. > > Thank you Doug. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Doug Drown > > To: ; > > Date: 2/2/2008 10:12:21 AM > > Subject: Re: Re Re: WRGB is back! > > > > Joe, Bob and all: Go to the main page on the WRGB website and click > "News." > > You'll get a list. "WRGB History" can be found there. > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Feb 2 13:18:11 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:18:11 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c865c7$f91ec620$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Actually, WREF Ridgefield (Danbury) CT is usually the culprit for me here in Derry from about 1 hour before sunset until 30 minutes after, then once WREF signs of, I'm good to go the rest of the night.. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry PS: WFAN was booming like a local from Derry to Laconia this morning 7-8AM, no fade outs....as I listened to Giants fans try to fabricate reasons that NYG will beat the Pats! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of kvahey@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:39 AM To: David Tomm Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: The future of AM radio To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was designed to protect KOA Denver but it was also designed in the 1940's when the population west of Natick was sparse compared to now. Couldn't it be tweaked so night coverage in northern Middlesex county be improved? It is frustrating to hear Mike Adams fighting over the mighty fulltime day signal from Pan Yam whatever in upstate NY I doubt it could be improved west of Framingham because of Denver but certainly it could be improved to the northwest unless I am missing something. I am also surprised that Entercom has kept the Needham land as real estate in that areais now gold. I know they were looking at moving to the WRKO site in Burlington but nothing has come of that. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Feb 2 13:20:16 2008 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:20:16 -0500 Subject: New format for WBOS In-Reply-To: <4fc429770802020937i49d45b9er28c7c7611fd1f816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501c865c8$439916b0$c6dc8018@YOURF7ED5FB036> Could this be a purge for a subsequently new DIFFERENT format (ESPN 92.9 anyone?) -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:38 PM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: boston-radio-interest@tsornin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: New format for WBOS They also fired all the jocks no announcers with this change On 2/2/08, Bill O'Neill wrote: > David Tomm wrote: > > GM is calling it an updated AAA format, but it's really just another > > 90's based rock station. Like we really need another one of those..... > > I sense a new format title on the horizon. Now, what will they call > this "gold" when the 90s generation are sporting Depends and playing > virtual shuffleboard while they Wii?! Someone really needs to keep up > with this stuff. > > Bill O'Neill > From rogerkola@aol.com Sat Feb 2 13:24:59 2008 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:24:59 -0500 Subject: The future of AM radio References: <91345.90164.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com><869895e20fef3934063bf92a0cb2448d@charter.net> <4fc429770802020839y350a2defj8d3bf88144ae6673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006001c865c8$ed7cc1e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> An interesting question becomes...if the FCC follows through with allowing IBOC on at nighttimes and the industry utilizes the opportunity under the guise that "Local Coverage" is AM radio's "mission," should all these carefully designed antenna patterns protecting stations well across the country, be scrapped? Why protect someone in Denver if you're trashing other closer stations on two adjacent frequencies either side? Just wondering... Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "David Tomm" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: The future of AM radio > To the pattern gurus out there. I understand WEEI's pattern was > designed to protect K