From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Apr 1 00:00:15 2008 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:00:15 -0400 Subject: Community Auditions returns to Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770803311744y583e554cl2a3e42968e66af80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F1B34F.8090501@gabrielmass.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Globe is reporting that Community Auditions is returning to Channel 4. The most worthy successor to Dave Maynard, IMHO, would be Tom Bergeron, but he's probably busy these days! On the other hand, if the show is reformulated as a local counterpart to "American Idol", who should be taking the role of the judges? --RC From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 1 01:24:16 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:24:16 -0400 Subject: WCAP's signal In-Reply-To: <001201c8933b$e92e2c50$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> References: <47F02E74.17569.22A26AB@joe.attorneyross.com>, <001201c8933b$e92e2c50$fdf8a742@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <47F18EC0.8035.23DDA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Mar 2008 at 10:31, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The V-Soft Web site lists WCAP's signal strength in Brookline's 02446 > Zip code as 1.41 mV/m at night and 0.55 mV/m by day. I believe that > Brookline's population is in the neighborhood of 29,000, right? Nearly 60,000 -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From mike@miscon.net Tue Apr 1 08:28:13 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:28:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Kid's Show Hosts (was: WMUR) In-Reply-To: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.144.123.1207052893.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Maureen said, over a week ago: > Most of the TV kid's hosts didn't set out to do that. It's what they had > to do to stay employed. Some were clowns or children's entertainers but > many were station announcers assigned to that particular show in the > course of their duties.? I know I'm rather late coming into this discussion, but I can attest to one "Mister Mike," host of the Children's Music Hour on WOTW in the mid 80's being thrust into that position. I had originally thought that it was simply another taped program I had to rack up when I interviewed with Ernie Jenkins the previous Friday. Heheh. But to this day, it ended up being the most fun I've ever had in radio. (though I still have a lot of fun!) Mike From mike@miscon.net Tue Apr 1 09:19:09 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:19:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Record libraries In-Reply-To: <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <0c3a01c88e0f$4471a010$6501a8c0@DougDrown> <47E84F09.28556.6EC1E1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.240.120.1207055949.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> earlier, A. Joseph Ross queried: >... what happens to stations' record libraries?? I remember that after both WSSH and WLLH were sold by Mr. Lerner, the records from those stations that remained at the 4 Broadway location were sold as part of a "removal" contract, when the station exited the building. I think the "company" (two guys, IIRC) paid $500 for the salvage rights to all property in the building - including the record library. I, however, had negotiated for the Coca Cola machine. Mike Yes, I still have the Coke machine. From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 09:19:14 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV Message-ID: <625246.47551.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> CBS also axed a number of people at KYW, and offered a buyout to at least one long-term personality. ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Weil To: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:35:05 PM Subject: Re: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Today was ugly at WBBM-TV > >You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From billohno@gmail.com Tue Apr 1 10:54:48 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:54:48 -0400 Subject: Kid's Show Hosts In-Reply-To: <.132.185.144.123.1207052893.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <201342.69707.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <.132.185.144.123.1207052893.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <47F24CB8.2000804@gmail.com> mike@miscon.net wrote: > > I know I'm rather late coming > into this discussion, but I can attest to one "Mister Mike," > host of the Children's Music Hour on WOTW in the mid 80's being thrust > into that position. I had originally thought that it was simply another > taped program I had to rack up when I interviewed with Ernie Jenkins the > previous Friday. > > Heheh. > > But to this day, it ended up > being the most fun I've ever had in radio. > > (though I still have > a lot of fun!) > > Mike > And I am honored to have been listening to my old buddy, "Mister Mike" as he debuted. "Hi. This is Mister Mike. And I lovve yeeewww." It was a ROFL moment before they were called ROFL moments. The thing that was great about it was, Mike did make it work. Bill O' -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From m_carney@yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 16:51:39 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV Message-ID: <805081.84283.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Another story from Broadcasting & Cable, on all the activity: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6546558.html?desc=topstory Boston had the most job eliminations, but oddly didn't have any anchor cuts unlike Chicago and SF. Maybe negotiations are going on behind the scenes. ----- Original Message ---- From: Adam Gaffin To: Larry Weil Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:22:34 PM Subject: Re: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV WBZ-TV cuts 30 jobs http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2008/03/31/daily14.html?jst=b_ln_hl Larry Weil wrote: > At 8:47 PM -0400 3/31/08, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Today was ugly at WBBM-TV >> >> You have to wonder is WBZ-TV next on the list? > > What I have heard through the grapevine is that WBZ-TV laid off 26 > people today (Monday), and that there are more to come tomorrow. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From markwats@comcast.net Tue Apr 1 18:25:00 2008 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV References: <805081.84283.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c89447$3a49c0c0$0202a8c0@Mark> Maureen Carney wrote: > Boston had the most job eliminations, but oddly didn't have any anchor > cuts unlike Chicago and SF. Maybe negotiations are going on behind the > scenes. Found this Boston Herald article, which names a few of the employees let go: http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1084192 Article mentions that anchors and reportres weren't cut as they are under contract. Mark Watson From mike@miscon.net Tue Apr 1 20:02:55 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:02:55 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: <003e01c89447$3a49c0c0$0202a8c0@Mark> References: <805081.84283.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003e01c89447$3a49c0c0$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1207094575.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> > Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Boston had the most job eliminations, but oddly didn't have any anchor >> cuts unlike Chicago and SF. Maybe negotiations are going on behind the >> scenes. I always wonder how many managers get shown the door in these "job eliminations." Mike From sonnydaye1@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 00:00:00 2008 From: sonnydaye1@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that info! Looks like the sub-channels mostly simulcast the content on the main channel. What a waste! Hope that changes. Thanks again. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Drewcomix wrote: > maybe this was answered in thread....but if you go to Zap2It.com you can > get TV listings for any zip code, including the HD subchannels. > > -- a lurker! > ------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbarfor your browser. > From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Apr 2 00:55:18 2008 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:55:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts Message-ID: <31424536.1207112118428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: Mark Laurence > CC: boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org > To: Sonny Daye > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:58:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: Digital TV Broadcasts > > On Mar 29, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Sonny Daye wrote: > > Most of the programs that require schedules are on 2 and 44. > 2.2 is WGBH HD. 44.2 is WGBH World. 44.3 is WGBH Create. > 44.4 is 'GBH Kids. These are all on the wgbh.org website. > 4, 5, 38, and 56 have no unique digital programming. My mom unwittingly bought a new HD set last year. She knew nothing about it, she thought she was just buying a new TV. When visiting a few months ago, I saw some sort of music video channel on 56.2. But, when I checked again recently, it was no longer there. EP From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 2 01:10:12 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 01:10:12 -0400 Subject: Digital TV Broadcasts In-Reply-To: <31424536.1207112118428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <31424536.1207112118428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <18419.5428.712780.630905@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > My mom unwittingly bought a new HD set last year. She knew > nothing about it, she thought she was just buying a new TV. > When visiting a few months ago, I saw some sort of music > video channel on 56.2. But, when I checked again recently, > it was no longer there. "The Tube" ran into business-plan difficulties when the FCC decided that all digital subchannels would be treated independently for purposes of the children's programming requirement. -GAWollman From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Apr 2 07:28:28 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:28:28 -0400 Subject: CBS makes major cutbacks in Chicago TV In-Reply-To: <003e01c89447$3a49c0c0$0202a8c0@Mark> References: <805081.84283.qm@web52611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003e01c89447$3a49c0c0$0202a8c0@Mark> Message-ID: <3008E3AA-67A7-409F-AA60-FAD1D30A387C@charter.net> WBZ radio reported this morning that buyout negotiations are currently going on with Bob Lobel, Joyce Kulhawick and Scott Wahle, so it's a fairly good bet those folks are as good as gone. I'm sure the same thing is going on with some reporters as well, but no other names were mentioned during that story. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Boston had the most job eliminations, but oddly didn't have any >> anchor cuts unlike Chicago and SF. Maybe negotiations are going on >> behind the scenes. > > Found this Boston Herald article, which names a few of the > employees let go: > > http://www.bostonherald.com/business/media/view.bg?articleid=1084192 > > Article mentions that anchors and reportres weren't cut as they > are under contract. From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 07:40:14 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:40:14 -0500 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Message-ID: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone "I can't look into that camera and say, 'Hey thanks. I've had a great time. I hope you have and I'll see you later.' I can't do that. I'll probably end up crying," a saddened Lobel, 64, told the Herald yesterday after the station moved to buy out his contract. "It's been such a personal relationship." http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1084409&srvc=home&position=0 Steve Buckley even has an 'obit' for Lobel It's like that old Norma Desmond line from "Sunset Boulevard." When the onetime silent picture star is told she used to be big, she icily replies, "I'm still big. It's the pictures that got small." And so it is with Bob Lobel. He's still big. It's the sports segments at 6 and 11 o'clock that got small. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1084410 From HeritageRadio@msn.com Wed Apr 2 04:17:24 2008 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:17:24 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones Message-ID: In reply to Doug's question - I do recall that years before the WBZ Community Auditions, Gene Jones was heard on WEEI on the live morning show which I think at that time was hosted by Carl Moore. Gene was part of a group called "Gene Jones ands His Java Jivers" who were the vocal group on the show every morning. This is strictly from my aging memory. Perhaps Donna and others remember in greater detail. I found myself groping for facts when I interviewed Jon Provost on my show this week. He, you may recall, was "Timmy" on the LASSIE show for 7 years. You can hear (streaming 24/7) at: www.VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast now thru Saturday. Tom Heathwood 4/2 From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 09:24:32 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:24:32 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones References: Message-ID: <050b01c894c4$e3bc04b0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I kind of assumed that Gene Jones had some kind of musical background, because he sang the theme song on the show. I had never known of the WEEI connection, however; the name Carl Moore doesn't ring any bells with me at all. Jon Provost does, though. He must be in his early 50s by now. Gad! (I even remember Tommy Rettig, the first boy who was on "Lassie." I can't recall the name of the character he played, though.) -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas heathwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: Gene Jones In reply to Doug's question - I do recall that years before the WBZ Community Auditions, Gene Jones was heard on WEEI on the live morning show which I think at that time was hosted by Carl Moore. Gene was part of a group called "Gene Jones ands His Java Jivers" who were the vocal group on the show every morning. This is strictly from my aging memory. Perhaps Donna and others remember in greater detail. I found myself groping for facts when I interviewed Jon Provost on my show this week. He, you may recall, was "Timmy" on the LASSIE show for 7 years. You can hear (streaming 24/7) at: www.VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast now thru Saturday. Tom Heathwood 4/2 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 09:25:57 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:25:57 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? Message-ID: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> The cuts at 1170 SFR are devastating to both the staff and what remaining viewers the station has. I still watched 4 in most part because of Lobel and Jack Williams. Lobel may have gone downhill the past few years and had far less air time but if something broke he was still the best source in the city. Joyce opened the arts to all and will be missed as well. It's funny 20 years ago I was dating a woman who didn't own a TV and she screamed when she saw Joyce on TV because she was her english teacher at Brookline High a decade before. Joyce was local. Still the TV financial model is broken. There is something wrong when NESN brings in more revenue through cable fees than the VHF's can generate through ads. what is happening at WBZ is no different than what we are seeing at the Globe and with radio. Back in 1981 Chuck Scarboro who years ago was an anchor at channel 7 wrote a novel and the premise was that MIT had developed a computer program to make the perfect virtual anchorman. It seemed laughable at the time but now I see a day when we will get our news from avatars instead of humans. Same will apply to radio.....who needs humans. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Apr 2 09:52:41 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:52:41 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones References: Message-ID: <003701c894c8$d390a060$3ceda644@SatU205S5044> By the time I arrived in Boston (summer of '56), I'm pretty sure that Tom Russell had taken over the MC duties on the WEEI (590) AM-drive show. Carl Moore and the live music were still on with him, though (just as Jess Cain on rival WHDH (850) co-hosted for the better part of a year with the previous morning host, Ray Dory; their show was called Dory and Cain). I believe that in that era, Moore also had his own show (also with live music) on WEEI (maybe in the noon to 1:00PM hour). I think maybe the live music ended first on WEEI and continued for several more years on WHDH. Wasn't there a musician by the name of Ken Greene (pianist, organist) on WHDH? Did he have a group called the Park Squares? Seems to me that he might have had a program in the 6:00PM hour. By the time I arrived in Boston, Bob and Ray had moved on from WHDH to New York City, but the mainstays of the lineup, besides Dory and Cain and Norm Nathan overnight, were Bob Clayton, Fred B Cole, and Roy Leonard. Leonard's show was called the Two and Eight Date and it appeared Monday thru Friday from 2:00 to 4:00PM and 8:00 to 10:00PM. Leonard's split schedule was similar to Martin Block's (and later, Jerry Marshall's) on WNEW (1130) in New York (10:00AM to noon; 5:35 to 7:00PM). ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas heathwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: Gene Jones In reply to Doug's question - I do recall that years before the WBZ Community Auditions, Gene Jones was heard on WEEI on the live morning show which I think at that time was hosted by Carl Moore. Gene was part of a group called "Gene Jones ands His Java Jivers" who were the vocal group on the show every morning. This is strictly from my aging memory. Perhaps Donna and others remember in greater detail. I found myself groping for facts when I interviewed Jon Provost on my show this week. He, you may recall, was "Timmy" on the LASSIE show for 7 years. You can hear (streaming 24/7) at: www.VintageRadioPlace.com/broadcast now thru Saturday. Tom Heathwood 4/2 From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 10:28:04 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:28:04 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> We knew that a month ago.... In Chicago CBS cancelled Sports Final and I wonder if the same will happen at 4 I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. On 4/2/08, Tony Abruzzese wrote: > On 4/2/08 7:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone > > > > > It's interesting that no one seems to be adding Sara Underwood to the > list, since her contract was not renewed last month. > > -- > Tony Abruzzese > BUSM Dept of Biochemistry > > > From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 10:38:24 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:38:24 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804021438.m32EcOhP028873@mail168c2.megamailservers.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. Ah, yes, radio. Always there after the TV door swings against one's backside after contract sunset. Here's to those radio pros who have plugged along as loyal minions of the craft! Bill O'Neill From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 10:43:54 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:43:54 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? References: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <052601c894cf$fa335b70$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Kevin, I think everything you're saying is right on target: Not long ago in this forum, I voiced an observation that I wondered how broadcasting schools will fare in the long run, given that there are very few openings in broadcasting nowadays. The whole face of the industry has changed. I suspect the situation is much the same for journalism majors. . . . And yet, I would offer a prediction: it will be the small-town stations and the small-town newspapers that will survive the longest. They fulfill the unique role of providing local news, sports and weather coverage that aren't covered --- or adequately covered --- by other media. It's worthy of note that the number of weekly newspapers in Maine has grown in recent years, while the Blethens are selling their three Maine dailies because they're bleeding money. The Bangor Daily News has also suffered layoffs in recent years, but remains relatively strong because it serves such an enormous rural area. As for radio in metro areas, I stand by an earlier contention I made some time ago: part of the problem, though by no means all, is that there are simply too many radio stations. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? > The cuts at 1170 SFR are devastating to both the staff and what > remaining viewers the station has. > > I still watched 4 in most part because of Lobel and Jack Williams. > Lobel may have gone downhill the past few years and had far less air > time but if something broke he was still the best source in the city. > Joyce opened the arts to all and will be missed as well. It's funny 20 > years ago I was dating a woman who didn't own a TV and she screamed > when she saw Joyce on TV because she was her english teacher at > Brookline High a decade before. Joyce was local. > > Still the TV financial model is broken. There is something wrong when > NESN brings in more revenue through cable fees than the VHF's can > generate through ads. > > what is happening at WBZ is no different than what we are seeing at > the Globe and with radio. > > Back in 1981 Chuck Scarboro who years ago was an anchor at channel 7 > wrote a novel and the premise was that MIT had developed a computer > program to make the perfect virtual anchorman. It seemed laughable at > the time but now I see a day when we will get our news from avatars > instead of humans. Same will apply to radio.....who needs humans. From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Wed Apr 2 10:21:03 2008 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:21:03 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> On 4/2/08 7:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone > > It's interesting that no one seems to be adding Sara Underwood to the list, since her contract was not renewed last month. -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 10:57:16 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Message-ID: <685482.92088.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This may give more fuel to the fire about the possibility of CBS flipping WBCN to sports talk. One of the hinderences was available talent. Lobel is available and he's a known personality, which is needed if they want to make a run at WEEI. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Vahey To: Tony Abruzzese Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:28:04 AM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 We knew that a month ago.... In Chicago CBS cancelled Sports Final and I wonder if the same will happen at 4 I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. On 4/2/08, Tony Abruzzese wrote: > On 4/2/08 7:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone > > > > > It's interesting that no one seems to be adding Sara Underwood to the > list, since her contract was not renewed last month. > > -- > Tony Abruzzese > BUSM Dept of Biochemistry > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 11:02:24 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:02:24 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? In-Reply-To: <052601c894cf$fa335b70$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> <052601c894cf$fa335b70$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <200804021502.m32F2RqP006974@mail176c2.megamailservers.com> Doug Drown wrote: > . . . And yet, I would offer a prediction: it will be the small-town > stations and the small-town newspapers that will survive the longest. > They fulfill the unique role of providing local news, sports and > weather coverage that aren't covered --- or adequately covered --- by > other media. Local newspapers here in western Vermont (as well as throughout the state) get a lot of eyeballs, relatively speaking. Most are published once or twice weekly; as such, no one expects the paper to do what their websites can do. They are read by those who want opinion, viewpoints, reader contributions on subjects. They tend to work, out of pure necessity, in tandem with other media. What they can't do, however, is pay. While idyllic New England communities embrace their local papers, replete with school lunches and court logs, they struggle to meet the ad buys necessary to enlist the expertise of real news diggers -- the ones local hacks and solons should hold in esteem. Instead, they get a pass. Bill O'Neill From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Apr 2 11:05:04 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:05:04 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <685482.92088.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <685482.92088.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F3A0A0.2080507@ttlc.net> Maureen Carney wrote: > This may give more fuel to the fire about the possibility of CBS flipping WBCN to sports talk. One of the hinderences was available talent. Lobel is available and he's a known personality, which is needed if they want to make a run at WEEI But will Lobel be willing to accept the lower salary commensurate with audio-only performance? From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 11:12:28 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Message-ID: <188609.5707.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sometimes it's not a matter of money (although it usually is) - some people just need to stay on the air in any capacity possible for ego reasons. When I was working at WSRO in the late 90s and management flipped it to talk we got many, many tapes from once promenent Boston TV personalities who knew they weren't going to get the big bucks if they got the gig. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Kirk To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 11:05:04 AM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Maureen Carney wrote: > This may give more fuel to the fire about the possibility of CBS flipping WBCN to sports talk. One of the hinderences was available talent. Lobel is available and he's a known personality, which is needed if they want to make a run at WEEI But will Lobel be willing to accept the lower salary commensurate with audio-only performance? ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 11:20:07 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:20:07 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <685482.92088.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <685482.92088.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770804020820l4e8d4f6kb0f61cf853490f0d@mail.gmail.com> CBS does own the radio rights to the Pats and Bruins so it would make more sense than Greater Media trying it. The wild card is Mr Ordway. He was not a happy camper when he found out how much Howie Carr was getting paid when you consider how much revenue Ordway generates. But Ordway is stuck unless another station comes along. Also unknown is how much longer WAMG can limp along. On 4/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > This may give more fuel to the fire about the possibility of CBS flipping > WBCN to sports talk. One of the hinderences was available talent. Lobel is > available and he's a known personality, which is needed if they want to make > a run at WEEI. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kevin Vahey > To: Tony Abruzzese > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 > > We knew that a month ago.... > > In Chicago CBS cancelled Sports Final and I wonder if the same will happen > at 4 > > I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. > > On 4/2/08, Tony Abruzzese wrote: > > On 4/2/08 7:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone > > > > > > > > It's interesting that no one seems to be adding Sara Underwood to the > > list, since her contract was not renewed last month. > > > > -- > > Tony Abruzzese > > BUSM Dept of Biochemistry > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 11:30:32 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:30:32 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <054701c894d4$1b0e51c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <054701c894d4$1b0e51c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <4fc429770804020830w2e803a27iee1cc81f1016b6a1@mail.gmail.com> In the case of Community Auditions the producers are footing the bill not the station. They may just be buying the time slot. Channel 7 changes the rules in this market. They pay as little as possible for talent and won't budge. What options does Randy Price have anymore? Who in their right mind would enter this business now? From HeritageRadio@msn.com Wed Apr 2 12:09:35 2008 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:09:35 -0400 Subject: EarlyWHDHfolk References: Message-ID: Thanks to Dan for the additional memories of early morning radio of the 40's/50's. On The BOB & RAY Show, the original organ and piano duo was Ken Wilson and Bill Green. They did do a local lounge act as "The Park Squares" indicating the general location of the nightclub. Ken & Bill also had their own daily music show on WHDH. When Bob & Ray moved on to NBC in 1951, Ken & Bill were not invited to join them, so continued on at WHDH for sometime afterwards. They were very skilled musicians and could play just about any genre of music imaginable. In addition, they provided the musical backdrops and "sound effects" for all the Bob & Ray skits on the MATINEE With Bob & Ray Show. What talent we had in those days in Boston! Many years later, I was fortunate to find dozens and dozens of old 16" transcriptions of the MATINEE WITH BOB & RAY SHOW that had been stored in a huge green metal vault in the basement of the old WHDH AM transmiitter in Needham. I also recovered JFK news "actualities" and radio briefs of the first era of space travel, which had sat in their dusty "grave" for many a year! Some ET's of other early WHDH program features I also found. I got permissioin from Bob & Ray, and meticulously re-recorded all the available programs from the old disintegrating transcriptions to 1/4 inch dull track dubs on an AMPEX 601. All of these recordings are still intact, although others have copied the disks for commercial purposes. Copies of the JFK material were given to the JFK Library and are displayed/available there. Tom Heathwood 4/2 From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 11:13:27 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:13:27 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <054701c894d4$1b0e51c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Y'know, I'm reading all this about the layoffs and buyouts while contemplating the fact that Channel 4 is about to resurrect Community Auditions. Juxtaposing the two, should we assume that the station is anticipating better ad revenue from this than it has been getting from the news? I think if I were Bob, Joyce, Scott or Sara, I would probably feel just a wee cynical at this point, but then again, maybe it's just the reality of the business . . . -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Abruzzese" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 > On 4/2/08 7:40 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: >> The Herald says Lobel and Kulhawik are gone >> >> > It's interesting that no one seems to be adding Sara Underwood to the > list, since her contract was not renewed last month. > > -- > Tony Abruzzese > BUSM Dept of Biochemistry > > From sonnydaye1@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 12:39:52 2008 From: sonnydaye1@gmail.com (Sonny Daye) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:39:52 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares Message-ID: I can fill in a few facts here. I believe Gene Jones also played saxophone. Before Jess joined Ray Dory, there was the Pat & Ray Show. Pat (vocalist) is a friend of mine. She's retired and living in Florida. <<>> There was a duo for many years on 'HDH. Ken Wilson (organ) and Bill Greene (piano). Their (15 minute?) taped segments were heard in the evening around dinnertime. Bill passed away a few years ago. <<>> The only surviving member of the Park Squares is guitarist Don Alessi. GREAT musician, still playing. I worked with him not too long ago. Those were the days of LIVE MUSIC on the radio and TV! Broadcasters weren't allowed to play records. When the musician's union lost that battle, it changed the face of the music business forever (and lined the pockets of the station owners). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Dan.Strassberg" To: "thomas heathwood" , < boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:52:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Gene Jones By the time I arrived in Boston (summer of '56), I'm pretty sure that Tom Russell had taken over the MC duties on the WEEI (590) AM-drive show. Carl Moore and the live music were still on with him, though (just as Jess Cain on rival WHDH (850) co-hosted for the better part of a year with the previous morning host, Ray Dory; their show was called Dory and Cain). I believe that in that era, Moore also had his own show (also with live music) on WEEI (maybe in the noon to 1:00PM hour). I think maybe the live music ended first on WEEI and continued for several more years on WHDH. Wasn't there a musician by the name of Ken Greene (pianist, organist) on WHDH? Did he have a group called the Park Squares? Seems to me that he might have had a program in the 6:00PM hour. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Apr 2 12:14:22 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:14:22 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> <200804021438.m32EcOhP028873@mail168c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: <004101c894dc$9de9cb80$0201a8c0@Family> this me (here) drinking to that (urp!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "(newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. > Ah, yes, radio. Always there after the TV door swings against one's > backside after contract sunset. Here's to those radio pros who have > plugged along as loyal minions of the craft! > > Bill O'Neill From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Wed Apr 2 13:06:41 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:06:41 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com><47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <054701c894d4$1b0e51c0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <001501c894e3$ece4be00$0201a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > Y'know, I'm reading all this about the layoffs and buyouts while > contemplating the fact that Channel 4 is about to resurrect Community > Auditions. (snip) Maybe the new Community Auditions will find younger or more affordable News, Sports and Entertainment hosts? - -Chuck Igo From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 13:21:50 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:21:50 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares References: Message-ID: <057901c894e6$0a1a8c00$6401a8c0@DougDrown> >Broadcasters weren't allowed to play records. When the musician's union lost that battle, it changed the face of the music business forever (and lined the pockets of the station owners). This must have been right around the time of the advent of rock 'n' roll. I'm 56 and can't remember any radio station that played live music of any kind, anywhere, except on very sporadic special occasions. I started listening to the Top 40 on WBZ and WPTR in 1962, when I was 11. -Doug -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonny Daye" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares >I can fill in a few facts here. > I believe Gene Jones also played saxophone. > Before Jess joined Ray Dory, there was the Pat & Ray Show. Pat (vocalist) > is > a friend of mine. She's retired and living in Florida. > > << on > WHDH? >>> > > There was a duo for many years on 'HDH. Ken Wilson (organ) and Bill Greene > (piano). Their (15 minute?) taped segments were heard in the evening > around > dinnertime. Bill passed away a few years ago. > > <<>> > > The only surviving member of the Park Squares is guitarist Don Alessi. > GREAT > musician, still playing. I worked with him not too long ago. > Those were the days of LIVE MUSIC on the radio and TV! Broadcasters > weren't > allowed to play records. When the musician's union lost that battle, it > changed the face of the music business forever (and lined the pockets of > the > station owners). > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dan.Strassberg" > To: "thomas heathwood" , < > boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org> > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:52:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: Gene Jones > By the time I arrived in Boston (summer of '56), I'm pretty sure that > Tom Russell had taken over the MC duties on the WEEI (590) AM-drive > show. Carl Moore and the live music were still on with him, though > (just as Jess Cain on rival WHDH (850) co-hosted for the better part > of a year with the previous morning host, Ray Dory; their show was > called Dory and Cain). I believe that in that era, Moore also had his > own show (also with live music) on WEEI (maybe in the noon to 1:00PM > hour). I think maybe the live music ended first on WEEI and continued > for several more years on WHDH. Wasn't there a musician by the name of > Ken Greene (pianist, organist) on WHDH? Did he have a group called the > Park Squares? Seems to me that he might have had a program in the > 6:00PM hour. From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 13:31:32 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Message-ID: <774562.14695.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I've noticed that BZ has been trying to make the morning news more competitve with Fox 25 lately. It's not just dispatching Scott Wahle to 9p on TV 38 or Barry Burbank back to weekends but the annoying use of David Robichaud and his commentaries, having a comedian on-set during Super Bowl week and not having reporters out in the field as much at that hour. It's become an unwachable train wreck. ----- Original Message ---- From: Chuck Igo To: Doug Drown ; Tony Abruzzese ; Kevin Vahey Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:06:41 PM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" > Y'know, I'm reading all this about the layoffs and buyouts while > contemplating the fact that Channel 4 is about to resurrect Community > Auditions. (snip) Maybe the new Community Auditions will find younger or more affordable News, Sports and Entertainment hosts? - -Chuck Igo ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 13:30:20 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:30:20 -0500 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> <200804021438.m32EcOhP028873@mail168c2.megamailservers.com> <004101c894dc$9de9cb80$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <4fc429770804021030p2c22f9d9kaa8081e450c480e5@mail.gmail.com> Ted Nation would be a good choice at night to counter Adams with...... Sean McDonough might want another crack as well I was told by somebody who works at EEI that Ordway started screaming at Jason in public when the info on Howie was leaked. Glenn had been led to believe he was thye highest paid performer in the entire Entercom chain. Get the popcorn out as this will be fun to watch On 4/2/08, David Tomm wrote: > The big prize is Glenn Ordway. He is set to make an obscene amount of money > when his contract expires later this year. Unless Entercom is really > stupid, they better be prepared to pay him much more than they're paying > Howie Carr, because someone out there will. I find it interesting that in > recent months, WEEI has locked down much of their talent to multi-year > deals. D&C, Michael Holley, Dale Arnold and Pete Sheppard all have new > contracts. Plus, they are rapidly trying to add affiliates for their > "sportsradio network" to increase their regional profile. Do they think > Ordway will stay if they can spread the WEEI brand throughout New England? > > If Entercom decides to play hardball with Ordway, I could easily see WBCN > making the flip. If they were to bring in the Big O, you could see a lineup > of O&A, followed by Lobel (paired up with someone), another local show, > Ordway in PM drive and a local show at night. From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Apr 2 13:22:03 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:22:03 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <004101c894dc$9de9cb80$0201a8c0@Family> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> <200804021438.m32EcOhP028873@mail168c2.megamailservers.com> <004101c894dc$9de9cb80$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: If there is anytime for an FM sports talker to emerge, it's this year. Lobel is just one of many people who are in flux right now. The Globe and Herald are trimming staff as well, and even existing sportswriters at both papers have media gigs on the side. There is plenty of local talent out there. With the Score in Providence flipping formats last month, there are even behind the scenes people available. The big prize is Glenn Ordway. He is set to make an obscene amount of money when his contract expires later this year. Unless Entercom is really stupid, they better be prepared to pay him much more than they're paying Howie Carr, because someone out there will. I find it interesting that in recent months, WEEI has locked down much of their talent to multi-year deals. D&C, Michael Holley, Dale Arnold and Pete Sheppard all have new contracts. Plus, they are rapidly trying to add affiliates for their "sportsradio network" to increase their regional profile. Do they think Ordway will stay if they can spread the WEEI brand throughout New England? If Entercom decides to play hardball with Ordway, I could easily see WBCN making the flip. If they were to bring in the Big O, you could see a lineup of O&A, followed by Lobel (paired up with someone), another local show, Ordway in PM drive and a local show at night. They already have the Pats, and the Bruins can come over from WBZ. When/If WAMG finally flames out, they could bring in the ESPN affiliation for overnights and fringe weekend hours, and maybe put Mike Felger on early afternoons or nights. A formidable competitor to WEEI on FM could be put together in short order. This may not be the greatest time for CBS/Boston to be investing sizable capital into content, but the payoff could be huge in the long run. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 2, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Chuck Igo wrote: > this me (here) drinking to that (urp!) > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. >> Ah, yes, radio. Always there after the TV door swings against >> one's backside after contract sunset. Here's to those radio pros >> who have plugged along as loyal minions of the craft! >> From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Apr 2 13:36:19 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:36:19 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00CC1545-C4AA-4EB3-B3A2-B6D91CB8C761@charter.net> But right now sports talk is one of the few radio formats that are thriving. While The Globe, Herald and TV stations are laying people off, radio and cable are hiring. WAMG is doing nothing, but for the most part it's not local and the signal stinks. WWZN is nothing but a car wreck that everyone slows down to see but is soon in the rear view mirror. Just as WTKK changed the talk landscape in this market nearly a decade ago, a sports talk station on FM based around local personalities could make an impact right away, and it would attract demos that are easily saleable. It would be content that you can't find on satellite and would be hyper local. As the Lenox Financial guy says, "it's the biggest no-brainer in the history of earth." -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The cuts at 1170 SFR are devastating to both the staff and what > remaining viewers the station has. > > I still watched 4 in most part because of Lobel and Jack Williams. > Lobel may have gone downhill the past few years and had far less air > time but if something broke he was still the best source in the city. > Joyce opened the arts to all and will be missed as well. It's funny 20 > years ago I was dating a woman who didn't own a TV and she screamed > when she saw Joyce on TV because she was her english teacher at > Brookline High a decade before. Joyce was local. > > Still the TV financial model is broken. There is something wrong when > NESN brings in more revenue through cable fees than the VHF's can > generate through ads. > > what is happening at WBZ is no different than what we are seeing at > the Globe and with radio. > > Back in 1981 Chuck Scarboro who years ago was an anchor at channel 7 > wrote a novel and the premise was that MIT had developed a computer > program to make the perfect virtual anchorman. It seemed laughable at > the time but now I see a day when we will get our news from avatars > instead of humans. Same will apply to radio.....who needs humans. From kc1ih@mac.com Wed Apr 2 14:18:54 2008 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: Live Music (was:RE: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares) In-Reply-To: <057901c894e6$0a1a8c00$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <200804021819.m32IJW3I003454@mac.com> -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:22 PM To: Sonny Daye; boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares This must have been right around the time of the advent of rock 'n' roll. I'm 56 and can't remember any radio station that played live music of any kind, anywhere, except on very sporadic special occasions. I started listening to the Top 40 on WBZ and WPTR in 1962, when I was 11. -Doug I'm 58 and I remember live bands on the morning shows in New York. I believe the band on the Jack Sterling Show on WCBS was led by Tyree Glenn. From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Apr 2 14:36:31 2008 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:36:31 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006a01c894f0$7d4a91c0$6400a8c0@lysthia> > << (pianist, organist) on WHDH? >>> > > There was a duo for many years on 'HDH. Ken Wilson (organ) > and Bill Greene (piano). Their (15 minute?) taped segments > were heard in the evening around dinnertime. Bill passed away > a few years ago. > I had the opportunity to work with Ken Wilson many years ago (1970's) when I was on staff at Hammond Castle up in Gloucester. Ken was a regular on our concert calender and very popular with the blue hairs of the time. I remember him to be quite the gentleman and very tolerant of the 17 year old staff tech person (me). He actually recorded a number of albums. I think that I might still have one on vinyl somewhere. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37 PM From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 14:47:12 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:47:12 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 References: <774562.14695.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <059301c894f1$f7496270$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I wonder whether, in the light of the layoffs, the 9 PM Channel 38 newscasts will continue. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Carney" To: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 > I've noticed that BZ has been trying to make the morning news more > competitve with Fox 25 lately. It's not just dispatching Scott Wahle to 9p > on TV 38 or Barry Burbank back to weekends but the annoying use of David > Robichaud and his commentaries, having a comedian on-set during Super Bowl > week and not having reporters out in the field as much at that hour. It's > become an unwachable train wreck. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chuck Igo > To: Doug Drown ; Tony Abruzzese > ; Kevin Vahey > Cc: (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest > > Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:06:41 PM > Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Drown" > > >> Y'know, I'm reading all this about the layoffs and buyouts while >> contemplating the fact that Channel 4 is about to resurrect Community >> Auditions. (snip) > > Maybe the new Community Auditions will find younger or more affordable > News, > Sports and Entertainment hosts? > > - -Chuck Igo > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From m_carney@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 14:53:04 2008 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 Message-ID: <594917.82656.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Add Jackie MacMullen to that list - she's leaving the Globe soon. I'm not sure if she's interested, but now she doesn't have restrictions on where she can appear (such as WEEI or Comcast SportsNet) ----- Original Message ---- From: David Tomm To: Chuck Igo Cc: Bill O'Neill ; (newsgroup) Boston-Radio-Interest Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:22:03 PM Subject: Re: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 If there is anytime for an FM sports talker to emerge, it's this year. Lobel is just one of many people who are in flux right now. The Globe and Herald are trimming staff as well, and even existing sportswriters at both papers have media gigs on the side. There is plenty of local talent out there. With the Score in Providence flipping formats last month, there are even behind the scenes people available. The big prize is Glenn Ordway. He is set to make an obscene amount of money when his contract expires later this year. Unless Entercom is really stupid, they better be prepared to pay him much more than they're paying Howie Carr, because someone out there will. I find it interesting that in recent months, WEEI has locked down much of their talent to multi-year deals. D&C, Michael Holley, Dale Arnold and Pete Sheppard all have new contracts. Plus, they are rapidly trying to add affiliates for their "sportsradio network" to increase their regional profile. Do they think Ordway will stay if they can spread the WEEI brand throughout New England? If Entercom decides to play hardball with Ordway, I could easily see WBCN making the flip. If they were to bring in the Big O, you could see a lineup of O&A, followed by Lobel (paired up with someone), another local show, Ordway in PM drive and a local show at night. They already have the Pats, and the Bruins can come over from WBZ. When/If WAMG finally flames out, they could bring in the ESPN affiliation for overnights and fringe weekend hours, and maybe put Mike Felger on early afternoons or nights. A formidable competitor to WEEI on FM could be put together in short order. This may not be the greatest time for CBS/Boston to be investing sizable capital into content, but the payoff could be huge in the long run. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 2, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Chuck Igo wrote: > this me (here) drinking to that (urp!) > >> Kevin Vahey wrote: >>> I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. >> Ah, yes, radio. Always there after the TV door swings against >> one's backside after contract sunset. Here's to those radio pros >> who have plugged along as loyal minions of the craft! >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From rbello@belloassoc.com Thu Apr 3 16:39:55 2008 From: rbello@belloassoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:39:55 -0700 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403133656.037ff9d8@belloassoc.com> At 07:28 AM 4/2/2008, Kevin Vahey wrote: >We knew that a month ago.... > >In Chicago CBS cancelled Sports Final and I wonder if the same will >happen at 4 > >I sense we will hear Lobel a lot on radio in short order. Radio is where Lobel started at WBZ on Calling All Sports From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Apr 2 15:41:46 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:41:46 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership Message-ID: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Where is the FCC at present with regard to its rethinking of the regulations concerning media cross-ownership? With major newspapers and broadcasting stations all struggling financially, it would seem to me that this might be an apt time to ask whether relaxation of the rules might help the different media to boost one another up. -Doug From songbook2@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 16:39:59 2008 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:39:59 -0700 Subject: Carl Moore WEEI Message-ID: <47F3EF1F.6030708@comcast.net> He had his "Beantown Varieties" show on WEEI 590AM, a live one hour music show with vocalist Gloria Carroll and the orchestra (it may also have been Don Alessi's quintet as well as being on WHDH? Sounds right to me in those days!). In the late-1940's, Carl had the morning show from 8 to 9 a.m. with Tom Russell doing news, etc. I sat in on a couple of broadcasts in the studio on Tremont Street in the E-E-I, Edison Electrical Illuminating building (now the WERS broadcast center, I think) My Mom was a telephone-receptionist at WEEI then so I had studio access, and that was a big deal for a teenager to see a live radio show, just like when we went to NYC and visited NBC and others for live radio-tv broadcasts.. There's an LP of Carl's Irish and other little "ditties" he'd play on the piano and sing (? well he didn't have a great voice but put the song over) and some duet tracks with Gloria Carroll. Tom Heathwood may know of that LP (Tom Heathwood may know where that 12" LP is). Ah, the memories linger on! =Russ Butler songbook2@comcast.net PS// Does everyone know that Don Alessi has a talented son, Jack Alessi? *JACK *ALESSI** Originally from the *Boston* area, Jack began his musical career as a drummer in the early sixties working with his father, guitarist, *Don* *Alessi*. During the late sixties and early seventies Jack landed the coveted spot of M.C. at the Famous Monticello Night Club in Framingham, MA. Jack has performed with and opened for Tony Bennett, Vicki Carr, Jerry Lewis, Louis Armstrong, Jimmy Durante, The Mills Brothers and many others. He has been the featured vocalist and toured with such big bands as Tommy Dorsey, Glen Miller, and Stan Kenton. It was Jack Alessi's concept of the "3 Swinging Tenors" that brought this trio together. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 2 16:39:44 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:39:44 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership In-Reply-To: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <18419.61200.796271.381017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Where is the FCC at present with regard to its rethinking of the > regulations concerning media cross-ownership? With major newspapers > and broadcasting stations all struggling financially, it would seem > to me that this might be an apt time to ask whether relaxation of > the rules might help the different media to boost one another up. I, frankly, am amazed that anyone in Washington still thinks the newspaper cross-ownership rule is constitutional. If someone had sufficient incentive and resources to fight, it would likely be a slam-dunk with the current Supreme Court. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 16:54:50 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:54:50 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership In-Reply-To: <18419.61200.796271.381017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18419.61200.796271.381017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770804021354i72fdc83i3367aa15f54f6f81@mail.gmail.com> Can we all say Rupert Murdoch? Just the wavier system in place show the sham of the law as written. Murdoch can get a wavier in New York but not Boston because of Ted Kennedy. Howie made Ted Kennedy angry and Murdoch was forced to sell the Herald. On 4/2/08, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > said: > > > Where is the FCC at present with regard to its rethinking of the > > regulations concerning media cross-ownership? With major newspapers > > and broadcasting stations all struggling financially, it would seem > > to me that this might be an apt time to ask whether relaxation of > > the rules might help the different media to boost one another up. > > I, frankly, am amazed that anyone in Washington still thinks the > newspaper cross-ownership rule is constitutional. If someone had > sufficient incentive and resources to fight, it would likely be a > slam-dunk with the current Supreme Court. > > -GAWollman > From songbook2@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 17:10:24 2008 From: songbook2@comcast.net (Russ Butler) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:10:24 -0700 Subject: Carl Moore Message-ID: <47F3F640.5070908@comcast.net> Well, I remember now = = the title of Carl Moore's LP is "Carl Moore Remembers" with a blue and white graphic on the cover. He recorded many of his WEEI favorite "ditties" (where did that word come from?). Not that anyone is interested in what Carl Moore recorded now, but I thought I'd contribute it anyway to the list. BTW, there is a bobble-head doll of Carl Moore out there somewhere - a doll manufacturer somewhere in New England makes collectible dolls like this and has made dolls of other Boston radio celebrities. Donna? From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:09:56 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:09:56 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804021354i72fdc83i3367aa15f54f6f81@mail.gmail.com> References: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18419.61200.796271.381017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770804021354i72fdc83i3367aa15f54f6f81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804022109.m32L9uWT022316@mail175c2.megamailservers.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Can we all say Rupert Murdoch? > > Just the wavier system in place show the sham of the law as written. > Murdoch can get a wavier in New York but not Boston because of Ted > Kennedy. Howie made Ted Kennedy angry and Murdoch was forced to sell > the Herald. There is a great piece of archived audio on this very topic. It's Jerry Williams on the phone with Ted Kennedy. You can get to it at www.jerrywilliams.org. It's under WRKO in 1990. Runs about 13 minutes. Worth a listen for a variety of reasons. Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:13:46 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:13:46 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership] Message-ID: <200804022113.m32LDk5T032210@mail175c2.megamailservers.com> Here's the link - http://www.jerrywilliams.org/audio/WRKO/wrko12.m3u -- There is a great piece of archived audio on this very topic. It's Jerry Williams on the phone with Ted Kennedy. You can get to it at www.jerrywilliams.org. It's under WRKO in 1990. Runs about 13 minutes. Worth a listen for a variety of reasons. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From billings@suscom-maine.net Wed Apr 2 19:52:07 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:52:07 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403133656.037ff9d8@belloassoc.com> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com><47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403133656.037ff9d8@belloassoc.com> Message-ID: <39C9223630D340319DF6DD81A0AB874E@DanBillingsPC> Anyone know what Lobel was making? Did he price himself out of a job? From rickkelly@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 20:10:11 2008 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:10:11 -0400 Subject: EarlyWHDHfolk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <521b7fd10804021710s1f8f0af3nc2509cd39c97956d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:09 PM, thomas heathwood wrote: >> I was fortunate to find dozens and dozens of old 16" transcriptions of the MATINEE WITH BOB & RAY SHOW that had been stored in a huge green metal vault in the basement of the old WHDH AM transmiitter in Needham.<< There's a ton of recorded old Bob and Ray, including many WHDH shows from the 1940's on archive.org. The link is: http://www.archive.org/details/otr_bobandray Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 21:17:57 2008 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:17:57 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership In-Reply-To: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <005d01c89528$8e130220$aa390660$@net> I wonder if it isn't time to rescind the Telecom Bill of 1996 and break up the corporate ownership of radio and TV licenses. Unlike newspapers, magazines, and Web sites, you just can't start a radio and TV station to compete with the ones on the air now. Best, Tony Schinella Politizine.com: Random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times. Since 2002. OurConcord.com: News and analysis for and about Concord, N.H. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Doug Drown Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:42 PM To: Boston Radio Interest Board Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership Where is the FCC at present with regard to its rethinking of the regulations concerning media cross-ownership? With major newspapers and broadcasting stations all struggling financially, it would seem to me that this might be an apt time to ask whether relaxation of the rules might help the different media to boost one another up. -Doug From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 21:45:54 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <47F3A0A0.2080507@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <809114.47776.qm@web55311.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > But will Lobel be willing to accept the lower salary > commensurate with > audio-only performance? I've heard that some of the salaries at WEEI exceed some local TV people. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Apr 2 22:23:35 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:23:35 -0400 Subject: WBZ, the Globe, and FCC decisions re: media cross-ownership In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804021354i72fdc83i3367aa15f54f6f81@mail.gmail.com> References: <05b001c894f9$9690d1e0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <18419.61200.796271.381017@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770804021354i72fdc83i3367aa15f54f6f81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18420.16295.224880.699225@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Can we all say Rupert Murdoch? Yes, we can, but Mr. Murdoch doesn't have any input into the constitutionality of the cross-ownership ban. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Wed Apr 2 13:37:42 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:37:42 -0500 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <774562.14695.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <774562.14695.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770804021037s6b64227aja5b81ef7b7d4212f@mail.gmail.com> I will say this much about 25 in the morning....they appear to have good chemistry on the set Of course keeping VB in his own cage downtown helps On 4/2/08, Maureen Carney wrote: > I've noticed that BZ has been trying to make the morning news more competitve with Fox 25 lately. It's not just dispatching Scott Wahle to 9p on TV 38 or Barry Burbank back to weekends but the annoying use of David Robichaud and his commentaries, having a comedian on-set during Super Bowl week and not having reporters out in the field as much at that hour. It's become an unwachable train wreck. > From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 3 00:17:46 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:17:46 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F4222A.30333.380D3E@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2008 at 9:25, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Still the TV financial model is broken. There is something wrong when > NESN brings in more revenue through cable fees than the VHF's can > generate through ads. Well, let's not forget, we're in a recession. Whatever the financial model, billings are going to be down right now and layoffs happen in a recession. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 3 00:17:47 2008 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:17:47 -0400 Subject: Gene Jones/Ray Dory/Jess Cain/Park Squares In-Reply-To: <057901c894e6$0a1a8c00$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: , <057901c894e6$0a1a8c00$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47F4222B.1646.380E57@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2008 at 13:21, Doug Drown wrote: > >Broadcasters weren't > allowed to play records. When the musician's union lost that battle, > it changed the face of the music business forever (and lined the > pockets of the station owners). > > This must have been right around the time of the advent of rock 'n' > roll. I'm 56 and can't remember any radio station that played live > music of any kind, anywhere, except on very sporadic special > occasions. I started listening to the Top 40 on WBZ and WPTR in 1962, > when I was 11. -Doug They were playing records on the radio much earlier than that. The Lone Ranger's theme music was all recordings, and so were others I'm sure. DJs existed well before the Rock & Roll era. I remember Bill Hahn playing recorded music in the morning on WNAC when I was in kindergarden or first grade, and Bob Smith, not yet known as Buffalo Bob, was playing records on his morning show on WNBC in 1946. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From hykker@wildblue.net Wed Apr 2 20:16:01 2008 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:16:01 -0400 Subject: is broadcasting broken beyond repair? In-Reply-To: <052601c894cf$fa335b70$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <4fc429770804020625q25c3d157i1bf390dd3b5933db@mail.gmail.com> <052601c894cf$fa335b70$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <47f421d4.27025a0a.2468.ffff8f44@mx.google.com> Doug Drown wrote: >. . . And yet, I would offer a prediction: it will be the small-town >stations and the small-town newspapers that will survive the >longest. They fulfill the unique role of providing local news, >sports and weather coverage that aren't covered --- or adequately >covered --- by other media. (some snippage) >As for radio in metro areas, I stand by an earlier contention I made >some time ago: part of the problem, though by no means all, is that >there are simply too many radio stations. Well, there are too many radio stations in most small markets, too. Towns/markets that were able to support one station 25 years ago may have a half-dozen now, even though the population hasn't grown significantly (or has even shrunk). Stations in smaller markets face different problems than those in larger ones. One is advertising base: as the big box stores and chains edge out the "mom & pop" businesses there are fewer potential advertisers. There is also the difficulty of attracting and retaining staff. Long gone are the days when someone would pack up & relocate to Berlin, N.H. or Millinocket, Me. to get their first radio gig. OTOH, there is a greater need for these forms of news & info...much of rural New England is still dependent on dial-up (or satellite) for internet service, and likely will be for quite some time. On-line classified sites like Craigslist haven't quite trickled down to these areas either. Let's hope these stations can remain viable financially. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Apr 3 09:22:37 2008 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:22:37 +0100 Subject: [B-R-I] One Beacon St Fire: WMFP-62 Off-Air Message-ID: <47F4DA1D.6090702@Gmail.com> One casualty of yesterday's electrical fire at 1 Beacon St. is that WMFP-62 (whose xmtr is on their roof) has been off-air since (on their CATV ComCast Ch.20, it has just been a dead carrier). ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From radiotest@cox.net Thu Apr 3 10:40:27 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:40:27 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> I've posted a 1024x768 bitmap image of the WBZ towers past and present. On the left are the original WBZ (later WBZA) towers atop the old Westinghouse factory in East Springfield. On the right are the current WBZ towers in Hull. http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 3 11:28:05 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:28:05 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> Message-ID: <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> WBZ's towers in Hull are 185.5 degrees tall. If my math is correct, that comes out to 492' or almost exactly 500m. I have no idea of the face dimension, but the towers appear to be triangular in cross section and quite slender relative to their height. From the photo, it appears that the towers are guyed at approximately 175' and 350' above ground. That leaves ~140' at the top unguyed. Is that approximately correct? And if so, isn't that a very great length of a slender uniform cross-section tower to be left to support itself--especially given the high wind loads one would expect in the unsheltered seaside location? I was surprised to see only two sets of guys on such tall and slender towers and even more surprised that the higher guy-attachment points are so far from the top. Is there somebody reading this with enough structural-engineering savvy to comment? Thanks. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > I've posted a 1024x768 bitmap image of the WBZ towers past and > present. On the left are the original WBZ (later WBZA) towers atop > the old Westinghouse factory in East Springfield. On the right are > the current WBZ towers in Hull. > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, > Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From sid@wrko.com Thu Apr 3 11:53:19 2008 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:53:19 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80134C98F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> >>WBZ's towers in Hull are 185.5 degrees tall. If my math is correct, that comes out to 492' or almost exactly 500m. I have no idea of the face dimension, but the towers appear to be triangular in cross section and quite slender relative to their height. From the photo, it appears that the towers are guyed at approximately 175' and 350' above ground. That leaves ~140' at the top unguyed. Is that approximately correct? And if so, isn't that a very great length of a slender uniform cross-section tower to be left to support itself--especially given the high wind loads one would expect in the unsheltered seaside location? I was surprised to see only two sets of guys on such tall and slender towers and even more surprised that the higher guy-attachment points are so far from the top. Is there somebody reading this with enough structural-engineering savvy to comment?<< Scott Fybush's shot of the towers is much more detailed. See it here: http://pcswithease.com/WBZ/wbz_transmitter_site.html Five guy levels, with what appears to be only the top 20 feet or so unguyed. The FCC database says they're 188.5 degrees, not 185.5. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From revdoug1@verizon.net Thu Apr 3 11:57:14 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:57:14 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> Message-ID: <062f01c895a3$62f2b420$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Nice juxtaposition of photos, Dale. Thanks! How tall are the Hull towers, BTW? . . . And does anyone out there have a report about this past Tuesday's hearing regarding the East Springfield development? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA > I've posted a 1024x768 bitmap image of the WBZ towers past and present. On > the left are the original WBZ (later WBZA) towers atop the old > Westinghouse factory in East Springfield. On the right are the current WBZ > towers in Hull. > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, > VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From radiotest@cox.net Thu Apr 3 12:04:40 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:04:40 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403115038.0387aec8@cox.net> At 11:28 AM 4/3/2008, Dan.Strassberg wrote: >WBZ's towers in Hull are 185.5 degrees tall. If my math is correct, >that comes out to 492' or almost exactly 500m. The station's 2006 renewal app includes an RF hazard exhibit giving the towers' height as 500'. Remember that the site was constructed to operate on 990 kHz. > From the photo, it >appears that the towers are guyed at approximately 175' and 350' above >ground. That's pretty close. I would estimate the guy levels as 180' and 365'. >That leaves ~140' at the top unguyed. Is that approximately >correct? And if so, isn't that a very great length of a slender >uniform cross-section tower to be left to support itself--especially >given the high wind loads one would expect in the unsheltered seaside >location? That is not unusual given that there is no additional load above the upper guys except for lighting. However, that is an old photo of the Hull towers. In 1999 they were completely refurbished. New base insulators were installed, and the towers were re-guyed with five levels. The lead-based red and white paint was completely removed and replaced with new paint. See these articles by Scott Fybush: http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-050805.html http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-050819.html The first shows the current guy levels. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Apr 3 12:27:51 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:27:51 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA meeting report Message-ID: <380-22008443162751640@ix.netcom.com> I'm composing report still, sorry so late. maybe optimistic? Bob > . . . And does anyone out there have a report about this past Tuesday's > hearing regarding the East Springfield development? > > -Doug From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 3 13:54:51 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:54:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com>, <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.co m>, <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> Message-ID: <47F4D39B.10590.3AAA11@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2008 Dale H. Cook wrote: > I've posted a 1024x768 bitmap image of the WBZ towers past and > present. On the left are the original WBZ (later WBZA) towers atop the > old Westinghouse factory in East Springfield. On the right are the > current WBZ towers in Hull. > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html But no images of the Soldiers' Field Road auxiliary tower. Or the TV towers, past and present. I was hoping you'd have an image of the original TV tower at Soldiers' Field Road. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Apr 3 12:58:24 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:58:24 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net><000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80134C98F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> Message-ID: <001201c895ab$f1f7e340$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Hi, Sid: Thanks. You pointed out only one of several errors in my posting. The towers are not 185.5 degrees, as I had said; they are, as you pointed out, 188.5 degrees, which is ~500' at 1030. I had said 492', and called it ~500m, which is obviously wrong; 492' is just about 150m. I wonder whether the difference between the photo that Dale posted and the one that Scott posted could be that the WBZ towers were reguyed maybe half a dozen years ago. Before that work was done, it had been mentioned several times on this list that the towers were to be completely replaced. There were several delays in the replacement and then it was announced that the station's owner (probably Infinity back then) had decided that replacement was not necessary and that the towers would be reguyed. It is possible that there were only two sets of guys on each tower originally and that reguying involved adding three sets and replacing two. A visit to Hull might provide the answer or it might not. (It would, however, allow me to say that I had been to Hull and back;>) I suppose that, by connecting multiple guys to a single anchor point, one can use only two anchor points to anchor five guys. However, if everything were done properly, wouldn't having a separate anchor point for each guy provide higher reliability than anchoring two or three guys at a single point? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: RE: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA >>WBZ's towers in Hull are 185.5 degrees tall. If my math is correct, that comes out to 492' or almost exactly 500m. I have no idea of the face dimension, but the towers appear to be triangular in cross section and quite slender relative to their height. From the photo, it appears that the towers are guyed at approximately 175' and 350' above ground. That leaves ~140' at the top unguyed. Is that approximately correct? And if so, isn't that a very great length of a slender uniform cross-section tower to be left to support itself--especially given the high wind loads one would expect in the unsheltered seaside location? I was surprised to see only two sets of guys on such tall and slender towers and even more surprised that the higher guy-attachment points are so far from the top. Is there somebody reading this with enough structural-engineering savvy to comment?<< Scott Fybush's shot of the towers is much more detailed. See it here: http://pcswithease.com/WBZ/wbz_transmitter_site.html Five guy levels, with what appears to be only the top 20 feet or so unguyed. The FCC database says they're 188.5 degrees, not 185.5. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF/WEEI/WEEI-FM/WKAF WMKK/WRKO/WVEI/WVEI-FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Brighton MA 02135-2040 P: 617-779-5369 F: 617-779-5379 E: sid@wrko.com From billohno@gmail.com Thu Apr 3 13:06:24 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:06:24 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <001201c895ab$f1f7e340$83eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net><000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80134C98F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <001201c895ab$f1f7e340$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <200804031706.m33H6OvI023967@mail175c2.megamailservers.com> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Hi, Sid: Thanks. You pointed out only one of several errors in my > posting. The towers are not 185.5 degrees, as I had said; they are, as > you pointed out, 188.5 degrees, which is ~500' at 1030. I had said > 492', and called it ~500m, which is obviously wrong; 492' is just > about 150m. Dan, collectively, we will let this one slide. This time... Bill O'Neill // From brouder@juno.com Thu Apr 3 12:31:02 2008 From: brouder@juno.com (brouder@juno.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:31:02 GMT Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage Message-ID: <20080403.123102.12239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> With the Boston Marathon just a couple of weeks away I wonder how the WBZ TV layoffs will affect coverage? Especially since Bob Lobel traditionally has anchored it... Ed Brouder Manchester, NH _____________________________________________________________ Click here to double your salary by becoming a medical transcriber. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpQIMX4G4Pv92y5cYfNxNd2EHw3Li2jzchGduOwTYT4eATFF1/ From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Thu Apr 3 14:12:17 2008 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:12:17 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage References: <20080403.123102.12239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <000601c895b6$415adf00$0201a8c0@Family> ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage With the Boston Marathon just a couple of weeks away I wonder how the WBZ TV layoffs will affect coverage? Especially since Bob Lobel traditionally has anchored it... << According to one of the Herald articles, Bob is still scheduled to anchor the Marathon on channel 4. - -Chuck Igo From billohno@gmail.com Thu Apr 3 14:29:06 2008 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage In-Reply-To: <20080403.123102.12239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080403.123102.12239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <200804031829.m33IT6DY024806@mail176c2.megamailservers.com> brouder@juno.com wrote: > With the Boston Marathon just a couple of weeks away I wonder how the WBZ TV layoffs will affect coverage? Especially since Bob Lobel traditionally has anchored it... > Maybe the PA guy at Wonderland is available. There goes Yankee.... Bill O' From radiotest@cox.net Thu Apr 3 13:38:56 2008 From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:38:56 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <47F4D39B.10590.3AAA11@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.co m> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> <47F4D39B.10590.3AAA11@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080403133633.0389e410@cox.net> At 01:54 PM 4/3/2008, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >But no images of the Soldiers' Field Road auxiliary tower. I don't have one of those. >Or the TV towers, past and present. I'm a radio engineer. I don't truck with people who can't tell the difference between good audio and bad audio and who think only in terms of pictures. :-) Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/starcity.html From cohasset@frontiernet.net Thu Apr 3 18:09:59 2008 From: cohasset@frontiernet.net (Cohasset / Hippisley) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:09:59 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <001201c895ab$f1f7e340$83eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net><000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> <09109FACA2581A42BBA0C485CE660EE80134C98F@ENTCORMB1.etmcorad.com> <001201c895ab$f1f7e340$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <019701c895d7$75456ad0$5fd04070$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA >I wonder whether the difference between the photo that Dale posted and the one that Scott posted could be that the WBZ towers were reguyed maybe half a dozen years ago....It is possible that there were only two sets of guys on each tower originally.... During the winter of 66-67, while I was working for Bill Hauser and Glenn Lahman in WBZ-TV's engineering department, an apparent problem developed at Hull in the middle of a blizzard -- the remote phase monitor in the radio control room at 1170 SFR started supplying the wrong numbers. The radio Chief Engineer (whose name now escapes me) and I had gotten to be friends, so he invited me to ride out to Hull with him to see what the problem might be. While we were there I took the opportunity to go stand underneath the main tower and look straight up. I couldn't believe my eyes! In the winds, the tower undulated like a snake slithering along the ground. I had my own rock solid 40-foot ham tower at the time, so I was totally unprepared for the amount of sideways motion allowed between the guy stations. To the best of my recollection, there were only two guy levels, with a fairly tall (100+ feet?) section above the upper guy bracket. The CE assured me that the motion I observed was "normal" for that tower.... Bud Hippisley From billings@suscom-maine.net Thu Apr 3 21:24:21 2008 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:24:21 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage In-Reply-To: <200804031829.m33IT6DY024806@mail176c2.megamailservers.com> References: <20080403.123102.12239.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> <200804031829.m33IT6DY024806@mail176c2.megamailservers.com> Message-ID: I've never understood how Bob Lobel lasted in Boston to begin with. What am I missing? From PeterH5322@rattlebrain.com Thu Apr 3 18:25:34 2008 From: PeterH5322@rattlebrain.com (Peter) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:25:34 -0700 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield, MA In-Reply-To: <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> References: <521b7fd10803271904i72a6cb9dn18a51d41d4d9745d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080403104008.03908bc8@cox.net> <000f01c8959f$51f8aed0$83eda644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4E3E75CC-D3AC-460D-83F5-DCD3D411E5E7@rattlebrain.com> On Apr 3, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > WBZ's towers in Hull are 185.5 degrees tall. If my math is correct, > that comes out to 492' or almost exactly 500m. I have no idea of the > face dimension, but the towers appear to be triangular in cross > section and quite slender relative to their height. From the photo, it > appears that the towers are guyed at approximately 175' and 350' above > ground. That leaves ~140' at the top unguyed. Is that approximately > correct? And if so, isn't that a very great length of a slender > uniform cross-section tower to be left to support itself--especially > given the high wind loads one would expect in the unsheltered seaside > location? Two levels of guys is pretty much standard for old Class I-A and Class I-B verticals installed pre-War or, for a few of them installed just post-War. The face is usually about 48", with 2" thick vertical members and an appropriate number of diagonal braces. Recall that the 650 and 1210 Blaw-Knoxes (650 for pre- and post-War; 1170 for pre-War, 1210 for post-War; both originally 225 degrees) are amongst the tallest verticals which have one level of guys, so it is not unreasonable that a constant cross section radiator of equal height, constructed conservatively, could make do with two levels of guys if a non-constant cross section could make do with only one level. If my math works out correctly, WBZ on 990 would have had 192.2 degree radiators ... very close to optimum for a Class I. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Apr 3 21:52:41 2008 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <710890.99281.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- Dan Billings wrote: > I've never understood how Bob Lobel lasted in Boston > to begin with. What am > I missing? Ouch! Well, if I remember correctly, Bob Lobel could make sports interesting for the non-sports fan (women?) and yet still had the respect of the die-hards. He had a good sense of humor and had such good chemistry with Liz Walker for all those years. I think he had a lighthearted good natured way about him that endeared him to many. Plus that "boy next door" looks. That's my $.02 I think that thought gets expressed whenever someone gets entrenched into a market for a long time like Lobel. There are new people, new generation, etc...that don't feel the same connection with the legendary host. I always felt this with Dave Maynard and Carl Desuze. I never understood their appeal. I remember when I lived in Hartford, people told me Bob Steele on WTIC was the big morning show in Hartford. I couldn't wait to listen....but my response was...."huh"? Anyone else ever hear him? This is a guy who announced the antenna pattern change! And got a 20 share! ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Apr 4 00:23:58 2008 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:23:58 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield 4-01-08 meeting report Message-ID: <380-2200845442358656@ix.netcom.com> I prepared a presentation of ~10 minutes (printed a clue sheet to keep me in gear), and wore a tie to help me be taken seriously. As I came into sight of the Westinghouse complex, I have to admit, the towers gave me a thrill, of radio pride, of acknowledging the accomplishments at that site. The meeting was at a sheet metal union headquarters, where monthly East Springfield community board meetings are held (thus well known to the neighborhood). I arrived ~ 6:30, just as Packard Development's Paul Cincotta, project manager, and their engineering consulting firm VHB (John Ferman?) arrived, so I spoke to them immediately, politely saying that I wanted to speak of the historical significance of the towers, after the community intended issues had been covered & questions answered. More then 120 local folks showed up (I quit counting when chairs were full, and people starting sitting on the floor). In attendance were Darlotte Justice, district director for Senator Gale Candaras, and Brian Conners of the Springfield Planning & Economic Development office. The leader of the community board, Kathy Brown handled the introductions and question period. Paul Cincotta led the presentation, telling of new traffic lights, widening Page Blvd, water & power considerations. Oddly, the developer's maps (excellent graphics) were upside down, drawn with north pointing ~200 degrees. Drawn plans of proposed shopping center layout show parking lot where the towers still exist (shudder!!) There was a previous meeting, in Nov 2007, which would have been a much more appropriate point to inject historical comment, earlier. ~ 8:10, when questions were winding down, I reminded the Paul Cincotta of my intent, they let me take the podium for about 7 minutes. Some kicks & spurts, and sometimes not near enuf to microphone, but I felt it went basically smoothly. I spoke of the historical significance: 1st commercial lic, the uniqueness in early radio history, and that there were few stations on the air at that time. I mentioned the Thornten Burgess show & other early shows which had importance to the Springfield area. Mentioned Springfield's pride in the cities firsts (Gee-Bee airplanes & Indian motorcycles), implying of course that early WBZ was a Springfield 1st. Told that WBZ broadcast the first Boston Bruins hockey game. I explained the concept of how the towers (as Doug Drown wrote) would make a unique centerpiece for the [shopping center] project, and mentioned a name "Radio Plaza, the birthplace of WBZ" Included descriptions of a commemorative display or plaque explaining the history of WBZ in Springfield. I suggested that the building(s) under the towers could be revamped (rebuilt to suit the shopping center), preserving the towers on top. When I ended, there was considerable clapping from the residents, a total surprise!! Over 20 people approached me to thank me, some for learning the historical significance, some who know it, thanking me for bringing it to light! The Developer and the engineer firm asked for paper copy, I gave them printouts of the BostonRadio.Org & Donna's "early history of WBZ", and the recent VirtualEarth image which faintly shows the 2 towers (see below). Many asked where these towers are, I pointed outside, (there was still enuf light at 8:30 to see them) Paul Cincotta said "maybe a tower could be saved", I pointed out that the towers were for support, transmitting element was a long wire (ok, dipole) between, so he understood it's a set. time frame? construction start early 2009? I learned that a new "Memorial Industrial Park II" is scheduled to begin construction nearby, northeast of the I-291 exit 5, (& from Westinghouse complex). Issues like traffic patterns of this have been considered re the proposed shopping center. 4-02-08 Email from Kathy Brown, East Springfield Community board "Thank you very much for your interest in our neighborhood and the historical value of the towers.... I appreciate your attendance and your comments....Your comments were well received. Please keep in touch...." So, in all, there's a spark of hope? The community folks' response apparently was well noticed by Packard Development. Images: http://home.netcom.com/~madprof/radio.html (scroll down to "Save the Towers") 1 from Microsoft Visual Earth ("Live search"), recent, in which the 2 towers are visible, with very keen eyes. I did put arrows to the towers centers. Towers are in the west end of the Westinghouse complex. The gif is from USGS, showing the whole Westinghouse complex. Bob Sutherland. From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Apr 4 09:20:28 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:20:28 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage References: <710890.99281.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c89656$a7653200$6401a8c0@DougDrown> I don't know whether people who are Busters (and younger) can identify with personality-oriented radio much at all. But we Boomers did, and it was a curious thing. I passionately loved Top 40 rock, and loved the legendary DJs such as Bruce Bradley, Cousin Bruce Morrow, and all --- but I also liked guys such as Carl deSuze, Dave Maynard, Salty Brine and Herb Oscar Anderson (of WABC) who were older and didn't fit the usual Top 40 DJ mold. That quieter morning-drive approach, with its banter and sometimes corny jokes, was somehow pleasant. Morning radio was a unique phenomenon. Still is, to some extent. Bob Lobel doesn't fit the mold, either. But neither did Howard Cosell. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald A." To: "Dan Billings" ; "Bill O'Neill" ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Channel 4 Marathon coverage > > --- Dan Billings wrote: > >> I've never understood how Bob Lobel lasted in Boston >> to begin with. What am >> I missing? > > Ouch! > > Well, if I remember correctly, Bob Lobel could make > sports interesting for the non-sports fan (women?) and > yet still had the respect of the die-hards. He had a > good sense of humor and had such good chemistry with > Liz Walker for all those years. I think he had a > lighthearted good natured way about him that endeared > him to many. Plus that "boy next door" looks. That's > my $.02 > > I think that thought gets expressed whenever someone > gets entrenched into a market for a long time like > Lobel. There are new people, new generation, > etc...that don't feel the same connection with the > legendary host. I always felt this with Dave Maynard > and Carl Desuze. I never understood their appeal. > > I remember when I lived in Hartford, people told me > Bob Steele on WTIC was the big morning show in > Hartford. I couldn't wait to listen....but my > response was...."huh"? Anyone else ever hear him? > This is a guy who announced the antenna pattern > change! And got a 20 share! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 3 23:04:28 2008 From: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com (Paul B. Walker, Jr.) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 23:04:28 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage In-Reply-To: <710890.99281.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <710890.99281.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804032004v2f0a113ds8ae062cdd0d26a9@mail.gmail.com> Bob Steele is the only man whos ever been able to SELL advertising before/after the pattern change! When he passed away, WTIC dropped their carrier for like 30 seconds in his honor. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Donald A. wrote: > > --- Dan Billings wrote: > > > I've never understood how Bob Lobel lasted in Boston > > to begin with. What am > > I missing? > > Ouch! > > Well, if I remember correctly, Bob Lobel could make > sports interesting for the non-sports fan (women?) and > yet still had the respect of the die-hards. He had a > good sense of humor and had such good chemistry with > Liz Walker for all those years. I think he had a > lighthearted good natured way about him that endeared > him to many. Plus that "boy next door" looks. That's > my $.02 > > I think that thought gets expressed whenever someone > gets entrenched into a market for a long time like > Lobel. There are new people, new generation, > etc...that don't feel the same connection with the > legendary host. I always felt this with Dave Maynard > and Carl Desuze. I never understood their appeal. > > I remember when I lived in Hartford, people told me > Bob Steele on WTIC was the big morning show in > Hartford. I couldn't wait to listen....but my > response was...."huh"? Anyone else ever hear him? > This is a guy who announced the antenna pattern > change! And got a 20 share! > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 4 11:47:21 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:47:21 -0400 Subject: Channel 4 Marathon coverage References: <710890.99281.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80804032004v2f0a113ds8ae062cdd0d26a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c8966b$2d358b50$cfefa644@SatU205S5044> Well, many daytimers used to "sell" the time they were off the air each night. The clients were usually (but not always) furniture stores, who would advertise, for example, that "The next 14 hours and 45 minutes of restful silence are brought to you by XYZ Furniture
, where you can find out what sleeping on a cloud is like when you try out the newest Sealy PosturePedic (or whatever) mattress with the oh-so restful quilted top. Nighty-night and sweet dreams from Sealy, XYZ Furniture, and Great Sounds , Wxxx." Notice how Sealy got worked into this one--put those co-op dollars to work, Mr Advertiser. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Channel 4 Marathon coverage > Bob Steele is the only man whos ever been able to SELL advertising > before/after the pattern change! > > When he passed away, WTIC dropped their carrier for like 30 seconds > in his > honor. > > Paul Walker > www.realradiousa.com > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Donald A. > wrote: > >> >> --- Dan Billings wrote: >> >> > I've never understood how Bob Lobel lasted in Boston >> > to begin with. What am >> > I missing? >> >> Ouch! >> >> Well, if I remember correctly, Bob Lobel could make >> sports interesting for the non-sports fan (women?) and >> yet still had the respect of the die-hards. He had a >> good sense of humor and had such good chemistry with >> Liz Walker for all those years. I think he had a >> lighthearted good natured way about him that endeared >> him to many. Plus that "boy next door" looks. That's >> my $.02 >> >> I think that thought gets expressed whenever someone >> gets entrenched into a market for a long time like >> Lobel. There are new people, new generation, >> etc...that don't feel the same connection with the >> legendary host. I always felt this with Dave Maynard >> and Carl Desuze. I never understood their appeal. >> >> I remember when I lived in Hartford, people told me >> Bob Steele on WTIC was the big morning show in >> Hartford. I couldn't wait to listen....but my >> response was...."huh"? Anyone else ever hear him? >> This is a guy who announced the antenna pattern >> change! And got a 20 share! >> >> >> >> From Joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 4 15:00:10 2008 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:00:10 -0500 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield 4-01-08 meeting report In-Reply-To: <380-2200845442358656@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-2200845442358656@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <47F6346A.19272.215989@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Apr 2008 Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > So, in all, there's a spark of hope? The community folks' response > apparently was well noticed by Packard Development. Well, good for you! I hope you have some plans for follow-up. Perhaps articles in local publications, maybe even the Springfield newspaper. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Apr 4 14:09:52 2008 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:09:52 -0400 Subject: WBZ/Westinghouse/Springfield 4-01-08 meeting report In-Reply-To: <47F6346A.19272.215989@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <380-2200845442358656@ix.netcom.com> <47F6346A.19272.215989@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <47F66EF0.8080800@ttlc.net> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Well, good for you! I hope you have some plans for follow-up. > Perhaps articles in local publications, maybe even the Springfield > newspaper. > > Or perhaps a well-done, concise, to-the-point Web Site. From mike@miscon.net Fri Apr 4 21:03:16 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:03:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Lobel on Greater Boston earlier this week Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1207357396.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Didn't see it discussed here (or maybe I missed it)... Bob was on with Emily. It might still be available "On Demand" with some of your cable providers... Mike From chris2526@comcast.net Fri Apr 4 21:20:36 2008 From: chris2526@comcast.net (chris2526) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:20:36 -0400 Subject: WLLH Lawrence update Message-ID: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> Located the major problem with the rooftop antenna, the minor damage I found is likely to have been caused by an HVAC service tech tripping over the copper pipe transmission line. It runs behind one of the units suspended on insulators. The line was shoted to aluminum flashing that seals a few no longer used access holes that penetrate the roof. I now can load enogh power to the antenna where the bridge is now usable. Look for WLLH Lawrence to reappear Sunday afternoon though possibly at a reduced level of power. For the past 6 years this rooftop system has suffered from a 9 ohm seasonal impedance shift that continues to defy any attempt to track it down. It has been one of those things you learn to live with, when it decides to shift I just move a coil tap back and forth between 2 spots. The problem has come down to either the 1936 Linco pole has badly corroded internally or a smiliar type of problem with the top loading hardware. Kurt Jackson has tried everything possible includind physically smacking every inch with a wooden baseball bat to replicate the shift with zero results. ( the shift takes place on the antenna and is not the ATU) Thats all for now, Chris Hall From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Apr 4 21:45:40 2008 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:45:40 -0400 Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> Message-ID: <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> What was the big old vertical radiator that used to stand on a hill on the west side of 495 between Lawrence and Lowell? It was at Exit 39, I think (Route 133). It was replaced sometime back in the '90s, if memory serves, but was there for years and years before that. It was a very sizeable tower. Was it associated with WLLH, WCCM or what? Also: Assuming that WLLH stands for "Lowell, Lawrence, Haverhill" (?), did the station ever actually have a physical presence in Haverhill? -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris2526" To: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: WLLH Lawrence update > Located the major problem with the rooftop antenna, the minor damage I > found is likely to have been caused by an HVAC service tech tripping over > the copper pipe transmission line. It runs behind one of the units > suspended on insulators. > The line was shoted to aluminum flashing that seals a few no longer used > access holes that penetrate the roof. > > I now can load enogh power to the antenna where the bridge is now usable. > > Look for WLLH Lawrence to reappear Sunday afternoon though possibly at a > reduced level of power. > For the past 6 years this rooftop system has suffered from a 9 ohm > seasonal impedance shift that continues to defy any attempt to track it > down. > > It has been one of those things you learn to live with, when it decides > to > shift I just move a coil tap back and forth between 2 spots. > > The problem has come down to either the 1936 Linco pole has badly corroded > internally or a smiliar type of problem with the top loading hardware. > > Kurt Jackson has tried everything possible includind physically smacking > every inch with a wooden baseball bat to replicate the shift with zero > results. > ( the shift takes place on the antenna and is not the ATU) > > Thats all for now, > > Chris Hall From mike@miscon.net Fri Apr 4 22:13:53 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:13:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? In-Reply-To: <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1207361633.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> The 99.5 tower. Bear Hill? I remember always calling it that, but someone once told me that was wrong. There's a story about a plane hitting it many years back - I'm sure someone on the list has the full details Mike > What was the big old vertical radiator that used to stand on a hill on the > west side of 495 between Lawrence and Lowell? It was at Exit 39, I think > (Route 133). It was replaced sometime back in the '90s, if memory serves, > but was there for years and years before that. It was a very sizeable > tower. Was it associated with WLLH, WCCM or what? > > Also: Assuming that WLLH stands for "Lowell, Lawrence, Haverhill" (?), did > the station ever actually have a physical presence in Haverhill? > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris2526" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:20 PM > Subject: WLLH Lawrence update > > >> Located the major problem with the rooftop antenna, the minor damage I >> found is likely to have been caused by an HVAC service tech tripping >> over >> the copper pipe transmission line. It runs behind one of the units >> suspended on insulators. >> The line was shoted to aluminum flashing that seals a few no longer used >> access holes that penetrate the roof. >> >> I now can load enogh power to the antenna where the bridge is now >> usable. >> >> Look for WLLH Lawrence to reappear Sunday afternoon though possibly at a >> reduced level of power. >> For the past 6 years this rooftop system has suffered from a 9 ohm >> seasonal impedance shift that continues to defy any attempt to track it >> down. >> >> It has been one of those things you learn to live with, when it decides >> to >> shift I just move a coil tap back and forth between 2 spots. >> >> The problem has come down to either the 1936 Linco pole has badly >> corroded >> internally or a smiliar type of problem with the top loading hardware. >> >> Kurt Jackson has tried everything possible includind physically >> smacking >> every inch with a wooden baseball bat to replicate the shift with zero >> results. >> ( the shift takes place on the antenna and is not the ATU) >> >> Thats all for now, >> >> Chris Hall > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 4 22:14:29 2008 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:14:29 -0400 Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> Message-ID: <000d01c896c2$c8eb6130$3aefa644@SatU205S5044> I think the tower you are talking about is on Wood Hill and is technically in Andover. It's the site of 99.5, which for many years was co-owned with WLLH. It's now WCRB (FM). And yes, there was a plan--probably dating back to the '30s--for a Haverhill synchronized Tx on 1400, but it was never built. Anyhow, that's what I've heard. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Drown" To: "chris2526" ; Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? > What was the big old vertical radiator that used to stand on a hill > on the west side of 495 between Lawrence and Lowell? It was at Exit > 39, I think (Route 133). It was replaced sometime back in the '90s, > if memory serves, but was there for years and years before that. It > was a very sizeable tower. Was it associated with WLLH, WCCM or > what? > > Also: Assuming that WLLH stands for "Lowell, Lawrence, Haverhill" > (?), did the station ever actually have a physical presence in > Haverhill? > > -Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris2526" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:20 PM > Subject: WLLH Lawrence update > > >> Located the major problem with the rooftop antenna, the minor >> damage I found is likely to have been caused by an HVAC service >> tech tripping over the copper pipe transmission line. It runs >> behind one of the units suspended on insulators. >> The line was shoted to aluminum flashing that seals a few no longer >> used >> access holes that penetrate the roof. >> >> I now can load enogh power to the antenna where the bridge is now >> usable. >> >> Look for WLLH Lawrence to reappear Sunday afternoon though possibly >> at a reduced level of power. >> For the past 6 years this rooftop system has suffered from a 9 ohm >> seasonal impedance shift that continues to defy any attempt to >> track it down. >> >> It has been one of those things you learn to live with, when it >> decides to >> shift I just move a coil tap back and forth between 2 spots. >> >> The problem has come down to either the 1936 Linco pole has badly >> corroded internally or a smiliar type of problem with the top >> loading hardware. >> >> Kurt Jackson has tried everything possible includind physically >> smacking every inch with a wooden baseball bat to replicate the >> shift with zero results. >> ( the shift takes place on the antenna and is not the ATU) >> >> Thats all for now, >> >> Chris Hall > From wollman@bimajority.org Fri Apr 4 22:21:28 2008 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:21:28 -0400 Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? In-Reply-To: <000d01c896c2$c8eb6130$3aefa644@SatU205S5044> References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <000d01c896c2$c8eb6130$3aefa644@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18422.57896.672399.462703@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think the tower you are talking about is on Wood Hill and is > technically in Andover. It's the site of 99.5, which for many years > was co-owned with WLLH. Or maybe he was talking about the other Andover (North Andover?) tower, which still has 800 on it (whatever be its callsign this month) and used to have 93.7 before WEGQ moved to Peabody. -GAWollman From kvahey@comcast.net Fri Apr 4 22:28:28 2008 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:28:28 -0400 Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? In-Reply-To: <18422.57896.672399.462703@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <000d01c896c2$c8eb6130$3aefa644@SatU205S5044> <18422.57896.672399.462703@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770804041928k135a551ev5c52b888c0a7456f@mail.gmail.com> Bear Hill is or was the infamous ATT long lines relay in Waltham serving points north. It is adjacent to 128 near Poloroid. From mike@miscon.net Fri Apr 4 22:53:23 2008 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:53:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Radio tower question: WLLH? In-Reply-To: <4fc429770804041928k135a551ev5c52b888c0a7456f@mail.gmail.com> References: <002a01c896bb$4173ad90$03f6764c@Chicken159> <01b701c896be$c17126f0$6401a8c0@DougDrown> <000d01c896c2$c8eb6130$3aefa644@SatU205S5044> <18422.57896.672399.462703@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770804041928k135a551ev5c52b888c0a7456f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <.65.96.208.107.1207364003.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Yahhh... I *knew* that... dang! Thanks!! I did mean, Wood Hill... 133 to Haggett's Pond Road, right onto (and up) Holmes to the tower. Mike > Bear Hill is or was the infamous ATT long lines relay in Waltham > serving points north. It is adjacent to 128 near Poloroid. > From nostaticatall@charter.net Fri Apr 4 23:47:13 2008 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:47:13 -0400 Subject: Lobel , Kulhawik all done at Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <010301c8954a$14b146e0$6501a8c0@s20208> References: <4fc429770804020440rbbc8046j9d8893869e9d58cd@mail.gmail.com> <47F3964F.6000902@biochem.bumc.bu.edu><4fc429770804020728j707b0d12qa29a8831ff1cbf91@mail.gmail.com><200804021438.m32EcOhP028873@mail168c2.megamailservers.com><004101c894dc$9de9cb80$0201a8c0@Family> <010301c8954a$14b146e0$6501a8c0@s20208> Message-ID: If the Entercom/Nassau deal hadn't fallen apart, I firmly believe 99.5 would have been at least simulcasting 850 by now. Why else would Entercom have had any interest in WCRB? It's certainly not their billing. The latest BIA revenue estimates for Boston state that billings are way off since WCRB moved from 102.5 to 99.5, even though their market share has only dipped slightly. Entercom would have had programming control over the station if the deal had gone through and there would have been a format flip. Considering the company's eagerness to expand the WEEI brand throughout New England, putting WEEI on 99.5 would have been the logical move. WEEI makes way too much money for someone in the market not to make a serious challenge for the sports talk listener. There are way too many rock, classic hits, AC and talk stations in the region. Rhythmic and urban stations skew too young and don't bill well. There's not enough of a hispanic population here to make a spanish language format profitable. If you were running a struggling FM signal in this market and looking for a format hole, what would you choose? While knocking off WEEI head to head would be a challenge, even grabbing a portion of their revenue share would far exceed what you could generate from putting on some trendy music format. W