From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 1 02:27:36 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:27:36 -0500 Subject: Transmitter locations In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708311244r7e7e5004h51dded3cf62e785a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708311244r7e7e5004h51dded3cf62e785a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D8C008.12228.72E8CF@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Aug 2007 at 15:44, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I agree that back in the 40's when many of these transmitter sites > were planned...what is now Metro-West was cow pasture country. > > The Mass Turnpike opening in 1957 changed everything. Actually, I think Shopper's World had an effect, too, and that was about five years before the Mass Turnpike. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 1 02:27:37 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:27:37 -0500 Subject: Talk shows through the ages In-Reply-To: References: <20070830.114527.950.0@webmail08.lax.untd.com>, Message-ID: <46D8C009.19070.72EFB4@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Aug 2007 at 0:45, thomas heathwood wrote: > Think Russ (Butler) is thinking of Jim Fitzgerald who did a 40's music > / telephone calls (one-way) show at midnight on WVOM live from the > Hotel Commander weeknights. He always answered the callers: "Hello > Telephone!" Don't think the WVDA Hotel Bradford studio were in the old > WBZ studios. One was on the 6th floor and the other was on the 10th > floor - can't remember which was which. Tom Heathwood I don't know, but sometime around 1975 I appeared on a half-hour talk show about rent control on WUNR. That was in the Hotel Bradford, and I was told that this was the old WBZ studios. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Sep 1 02:27:39 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:27:39 -0500 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals In-Reply-To: <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com>, <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <46D8C00B.31737.72F6F8@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Aug 2007 at 9:45, Mark Casey wrote: > In contrast, WBZ's ground wave signal starts having night skywave > problems between Sturbridge and Palmer, which is more like 75-85 miles > from Hull. It's often hard to listen to WBZ at night in Springfield, > but they have a great signal when you get to pure skywave 150+ miles > out. For example: Signal for signal, on average, at any time of year, > WBZ's night signal is the best of all the 50kw AM's on the dial at our > favorite vacation spot in coastal North Carolina-usually with very > little fading, easy to listen to. Yes, back in the days when I had an AM-only car radio, I had trouble finding any station that I could listen to for very long when driving home after dark from a trip to Amherst. But back in 1966, when I took spring break in Bermuda, I heard WBZ loud and clear, sounding like a local, coming from a nearby car radio at 1 AM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Sep 1 02:06:24 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:06:24 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm sure WEEI will make a bid for the affiliation. They'd love to have the ESPN play by play available to them. They could entice ESPN by pitching to air the network during off hours on all of their affiliates, including the Nassau ones--at least in markets where ESPN isn't already committed to another station, like in Providence. With Entercom buying into WCRB, the rumors were flying around a few weeks back about WEEI's sports format eventually moving to 99.5. If that ever comes to pass, they could put ESPN on 850 and run it 24/7. Overflow games could run there along with BC sports, which doesn't have much appeal to most of WEEI's network stations. In turn, WEEI could broadcast major ESPN events like NFL football, MLB playoffs, NBA games, etc. Plus, they'd regain access to Peter Gammons and other area ESPN personalities. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Rumors flying that WAMG is on the selling block. Now if sold what > happens to ESPN Radio? Would Disney consider putting sports on 1260? > The signal is woeful to the west but decent in the city. > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 03:16:40 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 03:16:40 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > With Entercom buying into WCRB, the rumors were flying around a few > weeks back about WEEI's sports format eventually moving to 99.5. One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible signal they have on the South Shore. Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? > If that ever comes to pass, they could put ESPN on 850 and run it 24/7. Why would they want to enable another sports outlet in Boston? I would think they would want *all* sports listeners on one station. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Sep 1 03:21:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:21:56 -0500 Subject: More Howie vacation time means... Message-ID: <20070901072156.17CCE49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Howie Carr said during his 6 pm hour tonight that he'll be off air not just on Monday but all next week. My guess is he's burning off even more of his accumulated vacation time from Entercom and doesn't plan to stay in the sneaker building past the end of his contract. Legal stipulations may not agree with his wishes, though. But he could well be down to his last 8 or 9 shows for WRKO. Howie has taken some vacation weeks off before but the amount of time he's spent off-air lately is considerably more, due to "burning off" vacation days. We'll see what becomes of all the legal stuff but this is another sign Howie wants out, and now. From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Sep 1 03:32:20 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 03:32:20 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:16 AM, Don A wrote: > One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible > signal they have on the South Shore. > Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? 99.5 is still a better signal than 850, plus it's FM. Besides, with 103.7 audible over most of South Shore and WPXC on the Cape signing on with the WEEI Network soon, pretty much the entire market would be able to hear WEEI on FM 24/7. That's better than 850 under any circumstances. > Why would they want to enable another sports outlet in Boston? > I would think they would want *all* sports listeners on one station. But there is a segment of the audience who may want a more national perspective. ESPN would provide that, and WEEI would have a place for overflow programming, instead of WRKO. Besides, you could sell the two sports stations in tandem with eachother. ESPN850 would protect WEEI and solidify the sports brand for Entercom by keeping other operators from signing on a competing format. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 05:01:30 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 05:01:30 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> Message-ID: <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible >> signal they have on the South Shore. >> Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? > > 99.5 is still a better signal than 850... Can say I agree with that. >> Why would they want to enable another sports outlet in Boston? >> I would think they would want *all* sports listeners on one station. > > But there is a segment of the audience who may want a more national > perspective. ESPN would provide that.... And where would that audience come from? ProbablyWEEI. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sat Sep 1 07:11:14 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:11:14 -0400 Subject: Inexpensive HD Radio Message-ID: <46D948D2.60604@ttlc.net> Has anyone on the list bought/tried the Radiosophy HD100 radio for $99.95? From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 1 07:34:58 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:34:58 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <4fc429770709010434n4931d4f3l3fadc0763b8b232a@mail.gmail.com> IF 99.5 went sports Entercom could solve the South Shore problem with WKAF. Then I could see Salem buying 850 and then dumping either 1150 or 950. Go one step further Salem could also sell 590 to Disney for ESPN as they did with 1260. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Sep 1 08:00:43 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:00:43 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <4fc429770709010434n4931d4f3l3fadc0763b8b232a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c7ec8f$b95c2250$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > IF 99.5 went sports Entercom could solve the South Shore problem with > WKAF. Then I could see Salem buying 850 and then dumping either 1150 > or 950. Go one step further Salem could also sell 590 to Disney for > ESPN as they did with 1260. 97.7 actually isn't that good on the south shore, now that it's on the blue hills. In Brockton, the city of license, the station is weaker than most Boston stations, and 99.5 is actually probably about the same strength. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From map@mapinternet.com Sat Sep 1 08:22:41 2007 From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:22:41 -0400 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com><011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> <46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> > Why is it so much more difficult to hear WBZ here in Middlebury, Vermont? > Day, forget it, and night, noisy. > Bill O'Neill Depends on the antenna system design. For some stations, the best skywave reception might be 300-700 miles out. I notice that WBZ's nightime talk shows seem to get a lot of calls from Ohio, North Carolina, etc, so that may be the case. In contrast to both WTIC and WBZ, many of the New York City 50kw AM's have pretty good night signals throughout the transition area from ground wave to skywave. Of course, it also depends on how "noisy" is defined. Even the best skywave signals are somewhat noisy due to fading and cancelling. Mark K1MAP From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 1 08:50:20 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:50:20 -0400 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals In-Reply-To: <004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> <46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us> <004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <4fc429770709010550h137a2533h6678f1ef359ec3bd@mail.gmail.com> One night I was on 95 in North Carolina and hit scan and it only stopped once...on 1030. WBZ has always done well along the Chicago lakefront starting a hour before sunset. WBZ and WWL probably have the strongest signals of the old 1-A stations as they elected to be directional. From paul@derrynh.net Sat Sep 1 09:38:21 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:38:21 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <002801c7ec9d$5e22d470$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Since 103.7 Westerly comes in good in those areas where 99.5 is weak, I would think it would be a good match, actually. -Paul Hopfgarten -Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:17 AM To: David Tomm; Kevin Vahey Cc: bri Subject: Re: If 890 is sold > With Entercom buying into WCRB, the rumors were flying around a few > weeks back about WEEI's sports format eventually moving to 99.5. One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible signal they have on the South Shore. Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? > If that ever comes to pass, they could put ESPN on 850 and run it 24/7. Why would they want to enable another sports outlet in Boston? I would think they would want *all* sports listeners on one station. From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 1 09:57:34 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:57:34 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <002801c7ec9d$5e22d470$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <002801c7ec9d$5e22d470$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <4fc429770709010657s31c1a4cbr2025262939065d16@mail.gmail.com> Entercom has something planned for WCRB but what? I really can see ESPN landing on 590 especially if Salem winds up with 850. I think the AM landscape in Boston is going to see a drastic change. I can't see 890 staying ESPN as the night signal even with the boost still fights WLS. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Sep 1 10:17:34 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:17:34 -0400 Subject: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com><011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af><46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us><004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> <4fc429770709010550h137a2533h6678f1ef359ec3bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7eca2$db2aa290$bba64c0c@SatU205S5044> Two other Class IA AMs were directional at one time--both stations were owned by RCA/NBC--WEAF (now WFAN) and WTAM. Neither was very directional but both used DA patterns to reduce radiation over nearby bodies of water--the Atlantic Ocean and Long Island Sound in WEAF's case and Lake Erie in WTAM's. I always wondered why the west-coast ND Class I's KFI, KNX, and KPO (now KNBR) didn't do something similar. In the case of the two Los Angeles stations, the issue may have been co-channel Canadians (although the one on 640 wasn't in Canada when NARBA put it there--Newfoundland didn't become part of Canada until several years later). WTAM's DA was unique in the US, AFAIK, though not unique in North America; it was a one-tower DA. "How's that?" you may ask. Well, I didn't say one element; it was a two-element array; the second element was a drop-wire suspended from one of the guys. The antenna was designed by the legendary Carl Smith and several like it are apparently still in existence in Mexico and Europe. From what I've been able to learn, the efficiency was extraordinarily high. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Mark Casey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: WTIC (and WBZ, WRKO) night signals > One night I was on 95 in North Carolina and hit scan and it only > stopped once...on 1030. WBZ has always done well along the Chicago > lakefront starting a hour before sunset. WBZ and WWL probably have > the > strongest signals of the old 1-A stations as they elected to be > directional. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 11:48:56 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:48:56 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <008201c7ecaf$a060d140$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > >>> One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible >>> signal they have on the South Shore. >>> Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? >> >> 99.5 is still a better signal than 850... > > Can say I agree with that. What I meant to say was CAN'T.... CAN'T agree with that. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 11:52:08 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:52:08 -0400 Subject: Di-Rectional..... References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com><011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af><46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us><004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af><4fc429770709010550h137a2533h6678f1ef359ec3bd@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7eca2$db2aa290$bba64c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <008501c7ecb0$0f871a20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Maybe Dan or some other technical mind can answer this. I know the first (licensed) stations on the air around 1921-ish.... When did the engineers discover directional antenna patterns? What year did the first directional array go into effect? The technology (if you can call it that) has been around for a long time....but seems rather "hi-tech" for the 20's and 30's..... From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 1 12:07:49 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:07:49 -0400 Subject: Di-Rectional..... In-Reply-To: <008501c7ecb0$0f871a20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com> <011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> <46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us> <004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af> <4fc429770709010550h137a2533h6678f1ef359ec3bd@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7eca2$db2aa290$bba64c0c@SatU205S5044> <008501c7ecb0$0f871a20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <4fc429770709010907u13a21efbra748f8e0cfbdfc37@mail.gmail.com> WSUN 620 in St Pete, Florida was first in 1932 protecting WTMJ Milwaukee. On 9/1/07, Don A wrote: > Maybe Dan or some other technical mind can answer this. > > I know the first (licensed) stations on the air around 1921-ish.... > > When did the engineers discover directional antenna patterns? > > What year did the first directional array go into effect? > > The technology (if you can call it that) has been around for a long > time....but seems rather "hi-tech" for the 20's and 30's..... > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Sep 1 12:57:56 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:57:56 -0400 Subject: Di-Rectional..... References: <46D653D3.6070404@friedbagels.com><011301c7ebd5$285cf2d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af><46D8A894.1030505@billoneill.us><004101c7ec92$cb2776d0$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af><4fc429770709010550h137a2533h6678f1ef359ec3bd@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c7eca2$db2aa290$bba64c0c@SatU205S5044> <008501c7ecb0$0f871a20$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <000d01c7ecb9$436584e0$d3a24c0c@SatU205S5044> The first DA in the US went on the air in the early 1930s--sometime between 1931 and 1934, I think, at WFLA/WSUN 620 in Tampa/St Petersburg FL. The history of this early system is pretty well documented on the Web. I can't list URLs, but a Google search for WFLA/WSUN directional antenna should yield info on the original system (probably mixed with info on later systems at these and other stations--both call signs are still in use in the Tampa Bay area--although for sure, WFLA is on a different station and so, I believe, is WSUN). My understanding is that there were medium-wave DAs in Europe before the WFLA/WSUN system--but not MUCH before. The WFLA/WSUN system was followed in pretty short order, also in Tampa Bay, at WDAE, which was probably on 1210 or 1220 at the time. WFLA/WSUN shared time on 620. Probably because of the long salt-water path to the north, nighttime-skywave interference to co-channel WTMJ Milwaukee prompted the FCC to warn the Florida stations that, unless they could eliminate the interference, their licenses would be restricted to daytime-only operation. The original WFLA/WSUN phasing network consisted of a length of coaxial transmission line, which had to be tediously shortened to tune the array. The WDAE system was the first to use discrete passive components for this purpose--a much more practical approach. Medium-wave DAs as we know them depend on the elements being vertical radiators, which were just coming into use in the US at about the same time as DAs. At that time, many stations used horizontal-wire antennas; the (grounded) towers were merely for support. The horizontal wire or wires that joined the tops of the towers were the antenna. The vertical wires suspended from the middle of the horizontal wire were feed wires and were not radiating elements. Eventually, a few of these horizontal long-wire systems were converted to DAs by shunt-feeding appropriately phased signals to the supporting towers, converting the feed wires to a radiating element, and insulating the horizontal wire or wires from the towers and what had been the feed wires, thus converting the horizontal wires to a (capacitive) top load. In the US, horizontal-wire antennas gradually disappared over the next decades, although at least one remains in use at KYPA Los Angeles. The technology behind AM DAs has not fundamentally changed in the more than seven decdes of their use but the mathematical tools for synthesizing arrays has improved enormously. The method of moments, a technique originally developed in conjunction with the H-bomb program, is now embedded within array-synthesis software. One array designer I know uses a supercomputer comprising 32 Pentium-class PCs to perform the calculations. All of the computing power reduces to hours calculations that not many years ago required weeks. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "BRI" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Di-Rectional..... > Maybe Dan or some other technical mind can answer this. > > I know the first (licensed) stations on the air around 1921-ish.... > > When did the engineers discover directional antenna patterns? > > What year did the first directional array go into effect? > > The technology (if you can call it that) has been around for a long > time....but seems rather "hi-tech" for the 20's and 30's..... > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Sep 1 14:49:43 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:49:43 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:01 AM, Don A wrote: >>> One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible >>> signal they have on the South Shore. >>> Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior >>> signal? >> 99.5 is still a better signal than 850... > > Can say I agree with that. Yeah, sure. How great is 850 after dark much outside of 128? It sucks. How about 850 during the day in Worcester county and Southern New Hampshire, the fastest growing regions of the Boston metro? It sucks. 99.5? Crystal clear in those areas. As far as South Shore goes, it's been mentioned that 103.7 fills the gaps in that region nicely. 99.5 coupled with 103.7 on the South shore and 102.9 in extreme southeast corners of the market would give WEEI improved coverage over the ENTIRE ADI, day and night. >>> Why would they want to enable another sports outlet in Boston? >>> I would think they would want *all* sports listeners on one station. >> But there is a segment of the audience who may want a more national >> perspective. ESPN would provide that.... > > And where would that audience come from? Probably WEEI. So under your scenario, Entercom allows another broadcast company to pick up ESPN and potentially use it against WEEI, and you'd be OK with that. Greater Media could easily pick it up and put it on 92.9 along with some local hosts and take WEEI on head to head. CBS radio could do the same thing on 104.1. But, since you love 850 so much, you'd just wait for another company to put sports on FM and blow you out of the water, much the same way GM signed on WTKK and is now poised to surpass WRKO as the talk station in Boston once they get Howie. ESPN on 850 would be a flanker station for WEEI. It parks ESPN on a co-owned station and more importantly KEEPS IT AWAY FROM A COMPETITOR!! Is this so hard to figure out? As long as the ratings go to the same company, who cares? Entercom didn't care when they took the Red Sox off 850, because the ratings and revenue will go to the same place. The same thing would happen if WEEI moved to 99.5 and ESPN came over to 850. Sports is HUGE in this town, and it's just a matter of time before an all sports station comes to FM. WEEI will need to make this move before someone else does, and acquiring the ESPN affiliation (while also keeping Fox Sports Radio) would discourage other stations from jumping in. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 1 15:26:51 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:26:51 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... Message-ID: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Vahey & Dan Strassberg - you rate an extreme appreciation award, and a "you rock, man!" for pointing to WFLA / WSUN as 1st (WSUN says so!) directional site. I've seen the Gandy Causeway towers, and never thought to check the history. I'd never thought to wonder where was 1st direx site, Thanks to Don A for the spark! yes, Google search shows much....(woo! thrill!) Including Barry Mishkind's listing "Radio Roots Discovered at Tampa Bay" which has a color pix at the Gandy Causeway!!! (not as clear as Scott's pix are tho) Don - you are ever so correct, re computing power having eased creating a direction array plan. I recall a pre 1950 Engineering book, found at Worcester Poly Institute, which had an article & photos of a oscilloscope with input circuitry to simulate array pattern, with controls (pots) to provide tower / array parameters. Today, ridiculously inaccurate, years back, saved much manual pre-calculation time Bob Sutherlan From madprof@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 1 15:45:39 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:45:39 -0400 Subject: vintage WLW photo on eBay Message-ID: <380-2200796119453946@ix.netcom.com> "Radio Station Tower WLW Cinncinnati Ohio 1937 RARE" http://cgi.ebay.com/Radio-Station-Tower-WLW-Cinncinnati-Ohio-1937-RARE_W0QQi temZ150156171764QQihZ005QQcategoryZ132QQcmdZViewItem (caution due to line wrap) Bo From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Sep 1 16:22:19 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:22:19 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... References: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <001701c7ecd5$cea334a0$2aa64c0c@SatU205S5044> Although the Tampa 620's current pattern is very similar to the original 1930s version (still protects WTMJ and only WTMJ--except for incidental protections to stations built after the '30s--that is, just about all of them) and the tower spacing and electrical parameters are probably quite similar, the current 620 site on the west side of Tampa Bay is NOT the 1930s site. This site was built in--I think--the '50s (maybe even the '60s) and was extensively rebuilt in the last year or two. The towers had to be shortened and strengthered to comply with new hurricane-safety requirements and to rectify the ravages of salt-air corrosion over many decades. Zoning restrictions precluded replacing the towers; they had to be shortened and repaired, which surely must have cost a lot more than a complete replacement would have. A slight power increase compensates for the loss of efficiency caused by the height reduction. In addition, although it remains licensed for approximately 5 kW, 620 has been running a nominal 10 kW (now a bit more) under STA for several decades to compensate for coverage lost to Cuban jamming. There have been many postings about the original site on Barry Mishkind's Broadcast Engineering mailing list. Somewhere in Barry's archives, you will find the location of the original site. My understanding is that it is both south and east of the current site. I believe that all that remains--hidden in the marsh grass--are the crumbling footings of the original towers. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... > Kevin Vahey & Dan Strassberg - you rate an extreme appreciation > award, > and a "you rock, man!" > for pointing to WFLA / WSUN as 1st (WSUN says so!) directional > site. > I've seen the Gandy Causeway towers, and never thought to check the > history. > > I'd never thought to wonder where was 1st direx site, > Thanks to Don A for the spark! > > yes, Google search shows much....(woo! thrill!) > Including Barry Mishkind's listing "Radio Roots Discovered at Tampa > Bay" > which has a color pix at the Gandy Causeway!!! (not as clear as > Scott's > pix are tho) > > Don - you are ever so correct, re computing power having > eased creating a direction array plan. > I recall a pre 1950 Engineering book, found at > Worcester Poly Institute, which had an article & photos of a > oscilloscope > with input circuitry to simulate array pattern, with controls (pots) > to provide tower / array parameters. Today, ridiculously > inaccurate, > years back, saved much manual pre-calculation time > > Bob Sutherlan > From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Sep 1 16:24:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:24:38 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... In-Reply-To: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770709011324q63b853fajeb47897f37aeffe6@mail.gmail.com> Today the former WSUN is sportsblab WDAE http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WDAE&service=AM From ssmyth@psualum.com Sat Sep 1 10:02:09 2007 From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <4fc429770709010657s31c1a4cbr2025262939065d16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <305700.50671.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > Entercom has something planned for WCRB but what? I really can see > ESPN landing on 590 especially if Salem winds up with 850. I think > the > AM landscape in Boston is going to see a drastic change. I can't see > 890 staying ESPN as the night signal even with the boost still fights > WLS. Didn't Salem already have 890 once? Or did it never finalize the deal to buy the station? I would be surprised if ESPN didn't come in and plunk down some bucks for a Boston station, given that it's important advertising-wise. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Sep 1 16:41:24 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:41:24 -0400 Subject: "Touch 106.1 FM Reference in Globe Calendar In-Reply-To: <20070831194342.B58851F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070831194342.B58851F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <18137.52852.998356.673195@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > duly licensed station broadcasting on 105.7 mHz atop the Pru. I wasn't aware that broadcasting was possible at such a low frequency. That would have to have a wavelength upwards of 28 billion meters! -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Sep 1 19:26:32 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:26:32 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <305700.50671.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7ecef$8c22d3a0$e6a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Salem had an agreement to buy 890--I think from Douglas, but I am not by any means sure. Their plan was to move the transmitter to the WEZE site, where Salem apparently wanted to add three towers between the existing two. The idea was technically unsound on several levels and I am surprised that it got as far as it did. Nighttime coverage would have been zilch (North Shore only; nothing in Boston or anywhere to the west). AND, as it turns out, to avoid nighttime interference to WCBS, it was essential to have the very tall towers, which the Ashland site has but the Medford site couldn't. In the end, buyer and seller unwound the deal and if I recall correctly (which I may not), a month or two later, the deal with Mega was announced. Mega may have paid less than Salem was going to pay. Technically, the best thing that happened to the station was Alex Langer's decision to proceed with the night upgrade to 1060, which originally developed the Ashland site in 1980/81. Langer spent a bundle and put the site in tip-top condition, installing separate ATU buildings and phasing networks for 890 and 1060. He also replaced the ground system, which had originally been rather exceptional (240 radials way over 1/4 wavelength--even at 890). The new ground system has only 120 radials (same length as the originals) but the old one had been just about destroyed by dirt bikers. The recent night upgrade to 6 kW was the second most important improvement. Turns out it was a much bigger job than it appeared because a high-tension power line about a mile east of the transmitter site had to be detuned to make it work. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: If 890 is sold > Kevin Vahey wrote: >> Entercom has something planned for WCRB but what? I really can see >> ESPN landing on 590 especially if Salem winds up with 850. I think >> the >> AM landscape in Boston is going to see a drastic change. I can't >> see >> 890 staying ESPN as the night signal even with the boost still >> fights >> WLS. > > Didn't Salem already have 890 once? Or did it never finalize the > deal > to buy the station? > > I would be surprised if ESPN didn't come in and plunk down some > bucks > for a Boston station, given that it's important advertising-wise. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's > updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 19:54:05 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:54:05 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net><00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> Message-ID: <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> >>>> One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible >>>> signal they have on the South Shore. >>>> Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior signal? >>> 99.5 is still a better signal than 850... >> >> Can't say I agree with that. > > Yeah, sure. How great is 850 after dark much outside of 128? It sucks. Can't agree with that. I live outside 128 and it comes in crystal clear all the time. > How about 850 during the day in Worcester county and Southern New > Hampshire, the fastest growing regions of the Boston metro? It sucks. > 99.5? Crystal clear in those areas. 99.5 in the South Shore? Sucks. (And the Boston metro ends at the NH border for the most part...and ends at Worcester Country.) > As far as South Shore goes, it's been mentioned that 103.7 fills the gaps > in that region nicely. So you'd be filling in part of the Boston metro with a station licensed to Rhode Island? Not to mention that 103.7 already exists. Not a great Idea. What basically you are doing is adding lots of land populated with trees to the coverage area. For what reason I don't know. 103.7 is there either way. >>over the ENTIRE ADI When was the last time someone asked for an ADI quote? > So under your scenario, Entercom allows another broadcast company to pick > up ESPN and potentially use it against WEEI, and you'd be OK with that. That's what is happening now. And WEEI is OK with this. > Greater Media could easily pick it up and put it on 92.9 along with some > local hosts and take WEEI on head to head. CBS radio could do the same > thing on 104.1. But, since you love 850 so much, you'd just wait for > another company to put sports on FM... So, you would put your already wildly sucessful format on an inferior signal because you are afraid of what *might* happen? You can stay awake all night running thru "boogie-man" scenarios. > It parks ESPN on a co-owned station and more importantly KEEPS IT AWAY > FROM A COMPETITOR!! ESPN National is a non-entitiy in cities where they have a dominant local sports station. Every format leader could waste their time and resources thinking about what would happen if a competitor took dead aim at them. Never mind flipping to a out of town signal just to beat them to FM. > Is this so hard to figure out? No, it's easy to figure out. > As long as the ratings go to the same company, who cares? Thats a big assumption.. The scenario I would draw is that if they put WEEI on 99.5....WBOS and WBCN might look an opportunity to go head-to-heard with the format. (Seeing the weakness of 99.5's signal.) From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Sep 1 23:06:08 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:06:08 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net><00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Don A wrote: >>>>> One of the reasons WKLB wanted to get off of 99.5...is the terrible >>>>> signal they have on the South Shore. >>>>> Why would they want to put sucessful programming on an inferior >>>>> signal? >>>> 99.5 is still a better signal than 850... >>> >>> Can't say I agree with that. >> >> Yeah, sure. How great is 850 after dark much outside of 128? It >> sucks. > > Can't agree with that. I live outside 128 and it comes in crystal > clear all the time. I live in Metrowest. It sucks. I live closer to WVEI and that's even worse. However, 99.5 comes in just fine.... > >> How about 850 during the day in Worcester county and Southern New >> Hampshire, the fastest growing regions of the Boston metro? It >> sucks. 99.5? Crystal clear in those areas. > > 99.5 in the South Shore? Sucks. So does 850, particularly after sunset. Plus it's AM. And 850 sucks during the day in a lot of outlying areas of the market. Funny thing. Since WKLB and WCRB switched frequencies, their ratings have pretty much remained the same overall to what they were before. At the end of the day, I'd rather have WEEI on an FM station that more people can hear at night then on an AM frequency that doesn't cover the suburbs very well. Why do you think Entercom took the Red Sox games off 850? Because the signal sucks. > (And the Boston metro ends at the NH border for the most part...and > ends at Worcester Country.) Wrong. Worcester is an embedded market within Boston. So are the southernmost counties of New Hampshire. These areas are growing in population, while many of the suburbs closest to town are losing people. If this trend continues, stations that can reach these growth areas will have an advantage in the ratings. 99.5 can get there. 850 can't. >> >> As far as South Shore goes, it's been mentioned that 103.7 fills the >> gaps in that region nicely. > > So you'd be filling in part of the Boston metro with a station > licensed to Rhode Island? So? It's not that big of an affected area, and improving night service to the rest of the market outweighs a few outlying areas of the South Shore not getting optimum coverage. > > Not to mention that 103.7 already exists. And it placed in the Spring Book in Boston, probably due to people south of the market tuning in since 850 is so unreliable. > Not a great Idea. Personally, I think it's brilliant, and my guess is the suits at Entercom were also thinking it when they made the deal for 99.5. > What basically you are doing is adding lots of land populated with > trees to the coverage area. > For what reason I don't know. It's because the market is expanding geographically. It's no longer just the city and the burbs around 128. It's much bigger, something a directional AM signal cannot cover as well as an FM, even a suburban FM. >> So under your scenario, Entercom allows another broadcast company to >> pick up ESPN and potentially use it against WEEI, and you'd be OK >> with that. > > That's what is happening now. And WEEI is OK with this. On a flea powered AM that doesn't even cover half the market during the day, and barely covers Framingham at night. Of course Entercom is OK with this. However, if WBOS or WBCN ever decided to launch an FM sportstalker with local hosts and ESPN to fill the off hours, WEEI would not be OK with this. > >> Greater Media could easily pick it up and put it on 92.9 along with >> some local hosts and take WEEI on head to head. CBS radio could do >> the same thing on 104.1. But, since you love 850 so much, you'd just >> wait for another company to put sports on FM... > > So, you would put your already wildly sucessful format on an inferior > signal because you are afraid of what *might* happen? No, I'd put my wildly successful station on an FM signal that covers most of the market, day and night. Not because of fear, because of the opportunity to make the station even more wildly successful. >> It parks ESPN on a co-owned station and more importantly KEEPS IT >> AWAY FROM A COMPETITOR!! > > ESPN National is a non-entitiy in cities where they have a dominant > local sports station. > Every format leader could waste their time and resources thinking > about what would happen if a competitor took dead aim at them. > Never mind flipping to a out of town signal just to beat them to FM. It's called being pro-active. Talk is moving to FM in many markets. Sports talk is far and away the most popular type in Boston. WRKO took that same attitude with WTKK. Oh, no big deal. However, while their 12+ numbers tend to be lower than WRKO's, WTKK tends to do better 25-54. And once Howie moves to 96.9, 680 is toast. I think Entercom learned their lesson on that one. If WEEI is to continue being successful in the coming years, it needs to move to FM. If they don't, someone else will try it. >> As long as the ratings go to the same company, who cares? > > Thats a big assumption.. Not really. Clusters program their stations to compliment each other all the time. WXKS-FM and WJMN share quite a few music titles between them and compete against each other in the younger demos, yet the stations are co-owned and both are successful. The entire existance of WROR and WBOS is to support WMJX. You can have similarly formatted stations work together and have them all be successful. > The scenario I would draw is that if they put WEEI on 99.5....WBOS and > WBCN might look an opportunity to go head-to-heard with the format. > (Seeing the weakness of 99.5's signal.) They could do it now but thus far haven't. My guess is that younger sports talk fans would gravitate to an FM station if the product is decent. WEEI on FM against a WBOS or WBCN wouldn't make much difference. People still would tune to WEEI because of heritage and their proven personalities. 99.5 doesn't get to parts of the South Shore. Big deal. 103.7 does. 850 doesn't get out much past Natick at night, and barely makes it to Worcester county (part of the Boston market) at all. Why did the Sox games get taken off 850? Because the signal is NON-EXISTANT at night in Metrowest, where a LOT of people who get diaries live and work. 99.5 would alleviate that problem, despite your love for the static-y AM signal. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 01:02:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:02:38 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770709012202m2be45677u7b283a49c851f793@mail.gmail.com> I think it is obvious WCRB staying classical is remote.The joker in this is the fate of D&C and where they wind up. BCN is my best guess as with the Pats starting and baseball playoffs looming now is the time to flip plus they could move the Bruins from BZ. BCN is dead in the water right now. I think the drops this week. From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 01:03:11 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:03:11 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net><00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net><013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> Message-ID: <015b01c7ed1e$98666e40$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > I live in Metrowest. It sucks. I live closer to WVEI and that's even > worse. However, 99.5 comes in just fine.... I live in NH. 850AM comes in great day and night. > So does 850, particularly after sunset. Plus it's AM. And 850 sucks > during the day in a lot of outlying areas of the market. I have never had an issue with it...anywhere in the metro. > Why do you think Entercom took the Red Sox games off 850? Because the > signal sucks. Are we comparing RKO/EEI? If so, I agre, RKO has the better signal. > Wrong. Worcester is an embedded market within Boston. Sorry. Worcester is not in the metro. > So are the southernmost counties of New Hampshire. The closest county to Boston is Rockingham. It's not in the metro either. >> So you'd be filling in part of the Boston metro with a station licensed >> to Rhode Island? > > So? So, the strongest part of these two signals will not be over Boston. The area with the densest populations will not have the strongest signal. > Personally, I think it's brilliant... We'll see if Entercom agrees with your brilliance! > It's because the market is expanding geographically. It's no longer just > the city and the burbs around 128. The ARB metro hasn't changed much...since they added those areas like hubbarston and petersham years ago. >> That's what is happening now. And WEEI is OK with this. > > On a flea powered AM that doesn't even cover half the market during the > day, and barely covers Framingham at night. Same thing in NYC. WEPN is not really a factor due to WFAN's dominance and localness. Is WEPN flea powered too? >> So, you would put your already wildly sucessful format on an inferior >> signal because you are afraid of what *might* happen? > > No, I'd put my wildly successful station on an FM signal that covers most > of the market, day and night. Nest time you see a diary review...see how many diaries south of Boston list WCRB... Or WKLB before that. > It's called being pro-active. It's called gambling. And with WEEI already wildly sucessful for Entercom....I hardly think they will roll the dice with the scheme you suggested. But....if I am wrong, you get a heartfelt apology from me.... ;-) From HeritageRadio@msn.com Sun Sep 2 02:14:56 2007 From: HeritageRadio@msn.com (thomas heathwood) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:14:56 -0500 Subject: Howie Carr Message-ID: I would think a strategic part of planning the switchover of Howie to 96.9 would be the serious consideration by the powers that be -to place Howie in the same time slot he enjoys at the moment on 680. This would help insure no loss of audience in the local market, and would make the adjustment for the audience considerably more convenient. Jerry Williams always contended that the afternoon/early evening hours were superior. Tom Heathwood 9/2 From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Sep 2 01:53:41 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:53:41 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <000b01c7ecef$8c22d3a0$e6a34c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <305700.50671.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <000b01c7ecef$8c22d3a0$e6a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <18138.20453.558327.779365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Technically, the best thing that happened to the station was Alex > Langer's decision to proceed with the night upgrade to 1060, which > originally developed the Ashland site in 1980/81. How quickly we forget! Alex didn't do that, it was Bradford Bleidt, the swindler, who did built the 1060 upgrade. Langer eventually got 1060 back through the courts, as Bleidt still owed him on the original purchase of the station. -GAWollman From paul@derrynh.net Sun Sep 2 03:31:33 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:31:33 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <015b01c7ed1e$98666e40$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <001601c7ed33$4ad55b40$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Don A... WEEI does NOT come in great at all times.... I live in Derry and drive to Concord many nights at the 1/2 before sunset to 1/2 after sunset time frame, and WREF Ridgefield CT plays havoc with 'EEI's signal. Lucky for EEI it's daytime only, or the skywave to NH would be just perfect to make EEI unlistenable all night long! If you live further east than the 93 corridor, maybe it is not quite the issue, not to mention that if you look at WEEI's signal pattern, the Seacoast and So Maine would obviously get a better signal than even the 128-495 corridor... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:03 AM To: David Tomm Cc: BRI Subject: Re: If 890 is sold > I live in Metrowest. It sucks. I live closer to WVEI and that's even > worse. However, 99.5 comes in just fine.... I live in NH. 850AM comes in great day and night. > So does 850, particularly after sunset. Plus it's AM. And 850 sucks > during the day in a lot of outlying areas of the market. I have never had an issue with it...anywhere in the metro. > Why do you think Entercom took the Red Sox games off 850? Because the > signal sucks. Are we comparing RKO/EEI? If so, I agre, RKO has the better signal. > Wrong. Worcester is an embedded market within Boston. Sorry. Worcester is not in the metro. > So are the southernmost counties of New Hampshire. The closest county to Boston is Rockingham. It's not in the metro either. >> So you'd be filling in part of the Boston metro with a station licensed >> to Rhode Island? > > So? So, the strongest part of these two signals will not be over Boston. The area with the densest populations will not have the strongest signal. > Personally, I think it's brilliant... We'll see if Entercom agrees with your brilliance! > It's because the market is expanding geographically. It's no longer just > the city and the burbs around 128. The ARB metro hasn't changed much...since they added those areas like hubbarston and petersham years ago. >> That's what is happening now. And WEEI is OK with this. > > On a flea powered AM that doesn't even cover half the market during the > day, and barely covers Framingham at night. Same thing in NYC. WEPN is not really a factor due to WFAN's dominance and localness. Is WEPN flea powered too? >> So, you would put your already wildly sucessful format on an inferior >> signal because you are afraid of what *might* happen? > > No, I'd put my wildly successful station on an FM signal that covers most > of the market, day and night. Nest time you see a diary review...see how many diaries south of Boston list WCRB... Or WKLB before that. > It's called being pro-active. It's called gambling. And with WEEI already wildly sucessful for Entercom....I hardly think they will roll the dice with the scheme you suggested. But....if I am wrong, you get a heartfelt apology from me.... ;-) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:55:09 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:55:09 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0709020655w57ee6528y8a41f2370b3937e4@mail.gmail.com> >>ESPN on 850 would be a flanker station for WEEI. It parks ESPN on a co-owned station and more importantly KEEPS IT AWAY FROM A COMPETITOR!! Yes...most people would be tuning to the local sports talk and play by play on a WEEI on FM, and things like _some_ talk and sports play by play (including baseball playoffs) from ESPN would be on the AM. (Or perhaps also broadcast on the FM when possible.) This is kind of like what happens when the Yankees pick up a player not only because they might contribute to their own team, but it keeps the Red Sox away from picking up that player. btw Entercom Memphis has pulled the plug on progressive talk in Elvis-land. Libtalk has left the building at WSMB 680. The blog author notes that Entercom gives heavily to Democrats but prog. talk wasn't helping their bottom line in Memphis, Sacramento, and New Orleans (they still have the format on in Buffalo and Rochester). The new format at the Memphis outlet? "Fox Sports 680". Are you ready for some football? http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/08/dont-be-cruel.html From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:00:44 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:00:44 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0709020700x1af18baau451673eef9b191dc@mail.gmail.com> WEEI on 99.5 would be great for me esp. at work since I'm in N. Reading and the signal from 99.5's stick in Andover comes in very well. 850 does indeed have weak spots...as for 99.5 not being a good signal on the South Shore, how does 97.7 do? They could put it there, too. The 103.7 from Westerly prob. helps, too. > At the end of the day, I'd rather have WEEI on an FM station that more > people can hear at night then on an AM frequency that doesn't cover the > suburbs very well. Why do you think Entercom took the Red Sox games > off 850? Because the signal sucks. > Personally, I think it's brilliant, and my guess is the suits at > Entercom were also thinking it when they made the deal for 99.5. Yes. And once Howie moves to 96.9, 680 is toast. I think Entercom > learned their lesson on that one. If WEEI is to continue being > successful in the coming years, it needs to move to FM. If they don't, > someone else will try it. Yes--whether or not it would be on 850 as well I would expect WEEI to be on FM in Boston soon...as it already is in Westerly and Easthampton (when I was in Hartford area yesterday, could pick up both of those FMs.) Why did the Sox games get taken off 850? Because the > signal is NON-EXISTANT at night in Metrowest, where a LOT of people who > get diaries live and work. 99.5 would alleviate that problem, despite > your love for the static-y AM signal. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:02:35 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:02:35 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <015b01c7ed1e$98666e40$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> <015b01c7ed1e$98666e40$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0709020702h10e32427t9ad1657d22262ed2@mail.gmail.com> >>Same thing in NYC. WEPN is not really a factor due to WFAN's dominance and localness. Is WEPN flea powered too? Doesn't WEPN do some local shows too? I know they do "_New York_ Sportscenters" at night (i.e., their "20/20" updates are localized not from the network) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:05:38 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:05:38 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fbbbced0709020705p7e6cc5d2vffe87ed520eb797e@mail.gmail.com> Good point; I can't remember if Howie said he'd love to do mornings but I know he'd love to be on a static-free, no-fade-at-sunset FM station. Idea: Graham or Eagan & Braude in morning drive; Severin in early afternoon opp. Rush (or poss. morning drive but I am not sure he'd want that), Howie in pm drive. On 9/2/07, thomas heathwood wrote: > I would think a strategic part of planning the switchover of Howie to 96.9 would be the serious consideration > by the powers that be -to place Howie in the same time slot he enjoys at the moment on 680. From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:33:19 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:33:19 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0709020702h10e32427t9ad1657d22262ed2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com> <009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> <013d01c7ecf3$66fd8fd0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1cd8b64d14068c994de36f1e72f781fd@charter.net> <015b01c7ed1e$98666e40$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <1fbbbced0709020702h10e32427t9ad1657d22262ed2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770709020733l6397d544h69e32743d668bdcb@mail.gmail.com> WEPN simply has no night signal west of the Hudson and CHUM causes problems upstate. As far as 850 at night in Chelmsford they are killed by a station in Penn Yan, NY that never goes to night power. Scott is familar with them. When CKVL was still on they also killed EEI and I suspect they never went to night pattern either. On 9/2/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > >>Same thing in NYC. WEPN is not really a factor due to WFAN's dominance > and > localness. Is WEPN flea powered too? > > Doesn't WEPN do some local shows too? I know they do "_New York_ > Sportscenters" > at night (i.e., their "20/20" updates are localized not from the network) > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 10:34:21 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:34:21 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <001601c7ed33$4ad55b40$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <002b01c7ed6e$5e4d7af0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > WEEI does NOT come in great at all times.... 1. For me it does. 2. It doesn't matter.....Derry isn't in the Metro From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 11:24:38 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Howie Carr In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0709020705p7e6cc5d2vffe87ed520eb797e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58965.61375.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Good point; I can't remember if Howie said he'd love to do mornings > but I know he'd > love to be on a static-free, no-fade-at-sunset FM station. Idea: > Graham or Eagan & Braude > in morning drive; Severin in early afternoon opp. Rush (or poss. > morning drive but I am not sure he'd want that), Howie in pm drive. Once the Imus card falls, everything else shall follow quickly. 96.9 well could have Imus in AM drive and Carr and his regional network in FM drive. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 11:28:01 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:28:01 -0400 Subject: Howie Carr In-Reply-To: <58965.61375.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <1fbbbced0709020705p7e6cc5d2vffe87ed520eb797e@mail.gmail.com> <58965.61375.qm@web58314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0709020828k617f9990m40c9f648a6ee3de7@mail.gmail.com> PM drive (you typed FM drive :)...happens to me too when I type fast) Who gets squeezed out, then, Graham or E&B? No room for all them AND Severin (big investment) unless shows get cut down a bit time-wise. From me@billoneill.us Sun Sep 2 14:28:16 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:28:16 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> References: <4fc429770708312020o1ea848b1saa4b0bebc6e1b83@mail.gmail.com><009501c7ec68$76a139e0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <5f6af29826d6440d9a40cf9a2df693fc@charter.net> <00ce01c7ec76$b693e3f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <8c7cad00f0e03dcdf720b2fdd0273818@charter.net> Message-ID: <46DB00C0.9030109@billoneill.us> David Tomm wrote: > would give WEEI improved coverage over the ENTIRE ADI, day and night. > And that would make much more sense than trying to distribute a decidedly Boston product to northern New England where it would struggle. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Sun Sep 2 14:32:12 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:32:12 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... In-Reply-To: <001701c7ecd5$cea334a0$2aa64c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> <001701c7ecd5$cea334a0$2aa64c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46DB01AC.70404@billoneill.us> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > In addition, although it remains > licensed for approximately 5 kW, 620 has been running a nominal 10 kW > (now a bit more) under STA for several decades to compensate for > coverage lost to Cuban jamming. What is the method employed by Cuba to jam signals in such a way? Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Sep 2 14:53:50 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:53:50 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... References: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> <001701c7ecd5$cea334a0$2aa64c0c@SatU205S5044> <46DB01AC.70404@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000901c7ed92$9d39fda0$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> I don't have much knowledge of it. I think some is simply broadcasting Cuban programming with fairly powerful signals on the same frequencies as US stations. And of course no Cuban AMs use directional antennas, which, if they existed in Cuba, might protect stations in other countries. But I think that, at various times, Cuba has run various sorts of noise-makers on frequencies occupied by US AMs whose program content the Cubans found particularly annoying. One type that the Russians apparently used in Europe sounded kind of like a rusty wagon wheel. (Disclaimer: Since I've never actually heard a rusty wagon wheel, I'd have to say that the recording I heard sounded like what I imagine a rusty wagon wheel sounds like.) ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Neill" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Robert F. Sutherland" ; Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... > Dan.Strassberg wrote: >> In addition, although it remains >> licensed for approximately 5 kW, 620 has been running a nominal 10 >> kW >> (now a bit more) under STA for several decades to compensate for >> coverage lost to Cuban jamming. > > What is the method employed by Cuba to jam signals in such a way? > > Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Sep 2 14:59:31 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:59:31 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold References: <305700.50671.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000b01c7ecef$8c22d3a0$e6a34c0c@SatU205S5044> <18138.20453.558327.779365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001b01c7ed93$68b89090$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> This is my third resend; this apparently didn't get through the first three times I tried to send it. My apologies to anyone who has already seen it. Wrong! I'm pretty sure that LANGER built the 1060 upgrade!!! AFAIK, completing the upgrade was a condition of his sale of the station to Bleidt. Moreover, all of the planning and design were done under Langer's aegis. Neither the sale from Langer to Bleidt nor the sale from Bleidt to Egan had closed while the work was under way. I think an application for transfer of control to Bleidt might have been tendered (and even been accepted for filing) once the license to cover was granted--BUT Langer continued to hold a note on the license and facilities, so there were probably some legal complexities related to the actual ownership even then. Moreovoer, that note and the conditions that Langer attached to it explain why the court pretty much had no alternative but to mandate transfer of the station back to Langer after Bleidt was taken into custody. However, most of the construction DID take place while Bleidt was LMAing the station from Langer. Nevertheless, AFAIK, neither Bleidt nor Egan ever officially owned WMEX/WBIX--but if I'm wrong about that, Bleidt was the official licenssee only for a very short time. The station has quite a history of such arrangements. Garabedian LMAed it first to a woman from Texas (I have no idea of her name) and she changed the calls to WSTD. When that deal collapsed after a year or so, Garabedian LMAed it to Pat Whitley and it became WTTP. I don't know about ownership vs LMAs during the ensuing period (of at least five years), but one of the owners or operators during that period was the licensee of WLQV Detroit, a Christian broadcaster. That company must have had a special affinity for AMs that couldn't get licenses to cover because of DA problems;>) And after Langer first got the station back on the air as WJLT, a 500W daytimer in (I think early 1997), the LMA partner was "pastor" Tim Horton's Great Commission Broadcasting. At some point, Horton ran into financial problems and maybe even legal difficulties and control reverted to Langer, who, at that time, definitely held the license. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:53 AM Subject: Re: If 890 is sold > < said: > >> Technically, the best thing that happened to the station was Alex >> Langer's decision to proceed with the night upgrade to 1060, which >> originally developed the Ashland site in 1980/81. > > How quickly we forget! Alex didn't do that, it was Bradford Bleidt, > the swindler, who did built the 1060 upgrade. Langer eventually got > 1060 back through the courts, as Bleidt still owed him on the > original > purchase of the station. > > -GAWollman > From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Sep 2 15:04:09 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:04:09 -0400 Subject: Re Re: Di-Rectional..... In-Reply-To: <000901c7ed92$9d39fda0$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <380-22007961192651562@ix.netcom.com> <001701c7ecd5$cea334a0$2aa64c0c@SatU205S5044> <46DB01AC.70404@billoneill.us> <000901c7ed92$9d39fda0$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770709021204j7cc3b4epc4137f11aa132767@mail.gmail.com> A Celtics employee told me the team enjoyed a cult following in Bergen, Norway when the games were on 1510 From me@billoneill.us Sun Sep 2 15:16:41 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:16:41 -0400 Subject: If 890 is sold In-Reply-To: <001b01c7ed93$68b89090$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <305700.50671.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000b01c7ecef$8c22d3a0$e6a34c0c@SatU205S5044> <18138.20453.558327.779365@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <001b01c7ed93$68b89090$d3a54c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <46DB0C19.2020502@billoneill.us> Dan.Strassberg wrote: > The station has quite a history of such arrangements. Garabedian LMAed > it first to a woman from Texas (I have no idea of her name) and she > changed the calls to WSTD. Now, there's a set of calls that just keeps on giving. Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Sep 3 00:24:51 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:24:51 -0500 Subject: What station was this? Message-ID: <46DB4643.29989.750C1C@joe.attorneyross.com> Last night I was listening to WFCR while driving home from Western Massachusetts on the Turnpike. Sometime around the Natick exit, a station playing what sounded like Hispanic music started cutting in and out over WFCR. Around the Route 128 exit, WFCR disappeared and the other station took over. I checked, and it was right on 88.5, not above or below. I didn't think there was any licensed station on 88.5 around here. Could it be a pirate? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Sep 2 23:33:14 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:33:14 -0400 Subject: What station was this? In-Reply-To: <46DB4643.29989.750C1C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <006201c7eddb$2c49c000$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Last night I was listening to WFCR while driving home from Western > Massachusetts on the Turnpike. Sometime around the Natick exit, a > station playing what sounded like Hispanic music started cutting in > and out over WFCR. Around the Route 128 exit, WFCR disappeared and > the other station took over. I checked, and it was right on 88.5, > not above or below. I didn't think there was any licensed station on > 88.5 around here. Could it be a pirate? Yes, there are at least 2 pirates in the area that broadcast in various languages. One that I know of is in Dorchester, the other in Dedham. Both have been issued notices of unlicensed operation by the FCC, but we all know how effective that is... There is also another 88.5 pirate in Brockton. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 23:37:29 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What station was this? In-Reply-To: <46DB4643.29989.750C1C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <120288.38580.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's definately a "BOOT". The place is overrun by them. --- "A. Joseph Ross" wrote: > Last night I was listening to WFCR while driving > home from Western > Massachusetts on the Turnpike. Sometime around the > Natick exit, a > station playing what sounded like Hispanic music > started cutting in > and out over WFCR. Around the Route 128 exit, WFCR > disappeared and > the other station took over. I checked, and it was > right on 88.5, > not above or below. I didn't think there was any > licensed station on > 88.5 around here. Could it be a pirate? > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. > 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax > 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109-2004 > http://www.attorneyross.com > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 4 12:17:03 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:17:03 -0400 Subject: CBA Moncton Message-ID: <4fc429770709040917j4d59718djef9f7fcc056a8a52@mail.gmail.com> Scott probably knows better than anyone. Is CBA considered safe as AM continues to vanish in Canada? It really is the last strong CBC signal in the Northeast. http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=CBA&service=AM From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Sep 4 12:45:03 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:45:03 -0400 Subject: CBA Moncton References: <4fc429770709040917j4d59718djef9f7fcc056a8a52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7ef12$f45fb030$60a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Where've you been? As most readers of this list are aware, CBA will be going dark in the near future. I don't think the exact date has yet been announced, though; within the last couple of weeks, the CTRC straightened out a hassle with assigning a new frequency to the FM that that stood in the way of CBA's move to FM. And while the CBC always says beforehand that it has figured out where it needs translators to reach listeners who will no longer be able to hear the AM signal, my impression is that that is rarely, if ever, the case. So moves of CBC AMs to FM often seem to wind up with grace periods (AM-FM simulcasts) longer than the usual 90 days. The extra time, which the CRTC grants only after the CBC discovers that it has screwed up yet again, allows for allocating and constructing the several low-power FMs that are inevitably required. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: CBA Moncton > Scott probably knows better than anyone. > > Is CBA considered safe as AM continues to vanish in Canada? It > really > is the last strong CBC signal in the Northeast. > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=CBA&service=AM From kvahey@gmail.com Tue Sep 4 13:07:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:07:38 -0400 Subject: CBA Moncton In-Reply-To: <000d01c7ef12$f45fb030$60a34c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <4fc429770709040917j4d59718djef9f7fcc056a8a52@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c7ef12$f45fb030$60a34c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770709041007udd2c3c5s80064537c805ffec@mail.gmail.com> I have never understood the folly of pulling CBC off of AM 1070 servers Nova Scotia, PEI and New Brunswick and no amount of FM repeaters will cover all the holes. So will 1070 then be opened up for someone else to take over like we saw in Montreal and Toronto? Meanwhile they won't touch CJBC 860 in Toronto in fear of angering the 3 people who speak French in Toronto.... On 9/4/07, Dan.Strassberg wrote: > Where've you been? As most readers of this list are aware, CBA will be > going dark in the near future. I don't think the exact date has yet > been announced, though; within the last couple of weeks, the CTRC > straightened out a hassle with assigning a new frequency to the FM > that that stood in the way of CBA's move to FM. And while the CBC > always says beforehand that it has figured out where it needs > translators to reach listeners who will no longer be able to hear the > AM signal, my impression is that that is rarely, if ever, the case. So > moves of CBC AMs to FM often seem to wind up with grace periods (AM-FM > simulcasts) longer than the usual 90 days. The extra time, which the > CRTC grants only after the CBC discovers that it has screwed up yet > again, allows for allocating and constructing the several low-power > FMs that are inevitably required. > > ----- > Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) > eFax 1-707-215-6367 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Vahey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:17 PM > Subject: CBA Moncton > > > > Scott probably knows better than anyone. > > > > Is CBA considered safe as AM continues to vanish in Canada? It > > really > > is the last strong CBC signal in the Northeast. > > > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=CBA&service=AM > > From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Sep 5 00:38:56 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:38:56 -0500 Subject: CBA Moncton In-Reply-To: <4fc429770709040917j4d59718djef9f7fcc056a8a52@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770709040917j4d59718djef9f7fcc056a8a52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46DDEC90.10097.5385C6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Sep 2007 at 12:17, Kevin Vahey wrote: > Is CBA considered safe as AM continues to vanish in Canada? It really > is the last strong CBC signal in the Northeast. Not as strong as it used to be. I used to listen to it regularly, along with CBL and CBM, but lately they seem to be overpowered by WTIC at 1080. I listen to CBC these days on the Internet. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Sep 6 11:01:53 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:01:53 -0500 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> A talk radio shuffle in Providence on Sept. 20 will have Rush Limbaugh moving from WPRO to WHJJ and Buddy Cianci back on the airwaves. Citadel's WPRO will have DePetro moving to 6 to 10 am, followed by Cianci & Ron St. Pierre middays, then an expanded Dan Yorke. All local-- as opposed to Clear Channel's WHJJ which will have Pittsburgh's Quinn and Rose in am drive followed by Beck, Limbaugh, and I guess Sean Hannity. (As far as I know, Helen Glover is gone from WHJJ unless they put her in 3-6 pm and move Hannity to tape-delayed, or move her to another slot). So WHJJ would have the powerful Rush (from Clear Channel's syndication arm, Premiere) added but there will apparently be no local hosts anywhere from 6 am to 6 pm, at least. It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX in Framingham and they could have put the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But Rush has indeed been placed on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from today). I'm guessing Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the same day Howie's contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved to WHJJ the next day. It's kind of weird to have a new show/new lineup premiere in the middle of the week rather than "starting fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a contract expires in the middle of the week, the change will also happen at that time. Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on Sept. 20, a Thursday. From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Thu Sep 6 15:38:11 2007 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:38:11 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <46E05723.2030400@Gmail.com> The Radio Raccoon wrote, > By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from today). > I'm guessing Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the > same day Howie's contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved > to WHJJ the next day. It's kind of weird to have a new show/new > lineup premiere in the middle of the week rather than "starting > fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a contract expires in the middle > of the week, the change will also happen at that time. > Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. > on Sept. 20, a Thursday. You have Arbitron to thank for that (ill)logic??Sept. 20th is the start of the Fall Book! P=/ ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Sep 6 15:46:48 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:46:48 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc In-Reply-To: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: September 20th is the first day of the fall book, which is why those midweek dates are there. My question is, did Clear Channel choose not to renew Rush on WPRO or was it Citadel? WHJJ has had it's problems over the last few years, and a mostly local lineup of talkers hasn't worked for them. Then they lost Imus. Outside of Helen Glover, who is a marginal host at best but has somewhat of a following in the market, what else did that station have? CC/Providence has been competing against Rush for years, despite being distributed by co-owned Premiere. They may have just decided to finally bring Rush in-house to stabilize the station. Or, it could be possible that WPRO dropped him. The bulk of his audience is rapidly entering 55+ land and Citadel may have decided to go with local hosts that appeal to younger demos. WPRO is also the news and information station for the market, and they may have wanted a more local lineup to help reinforce that image. WBAL in Baltimore dropped Rush last year for the same reasons. Looking at the Boston situation, I doubt that CC will move it's syndicated talkers to WKOX until the signal upgrade to 50,000 watts is complete. If 1200 doesn't have at least a comparable signal to WRKO during Rush's time slot, they won't risk putting him on a weaker stick, even if it is a CC property. If anything, I could see Premiere not renewing with WRKO and trying to get the show cleared on WTKK. Why would they want to keep Rush on that sinking ship? A lineup of Howie, Egan & Braude, Rush, Severin, and Graham Crackers at night would put WRKO out of it's misery once and for all. Caliente 680, anyone? -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > A talk radio shuffle in Providence on Sept. 20 will have Rush Limbaugh > moving from WPRO to WHJJ > and Buddy Cianci back on the airwaves. Citadel's WPRO will have > DePetro moving to 6 to 10 > am, followed by Cianci & Ron St. Pierre middays, then an expanded Dan > Yorke. All local-- > as opposed to Clear Channel's WHJJ which will have Pittsburgh's Quinn > and Rose in am > drive followed by Beck, Limbaugh, and I guess Sean Hannity. > > (As far as I know, Helen Glover is gone from WHJJ unless they put her > in 3-6 pm and > move Hannity to tape-delayed, or move her to another slot). So WHJJ > would have the > powerful Rush (from Clear Channel's syndication arm, Premiere) added > but there > will apparently be no local hosts anywhere from 6 am to 6 pm, at least. > > It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX in > Framingham and they could have put > the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But Rush has > indeed been placed > on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. > > By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from today). I'm > guessing > Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the same day Howie's > contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved to WHJJ the next > day. It's > kind of weird to have a new show/new lineup premiere in the middle of > the > week rather than "starting fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a contract > expires in the middle of the week, the change will also happen at that > time. > Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on > Sept. 20, > a Thursday. > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Sep 6 16:03:48 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:03:48 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc In-Reply-To: References: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770709061303g76744e22g676718293940aa33@mail.gmail.com> Buddy has been silent for almost 5 years. A lot has happened in RI starting with the fire. It should be good radio. Meanwhile Citadel has problems with WSKO which EEI just blew away. On 9/6/07, David Tomm wrote: > September 20th is the first day of the fall book, which is why those > midweek dates are there. > > My question is, did Clear Channel choose not to renew Rush on WPRO or > was it Citadel? WHJJ has had it's problems over the last few years, > and a mostly local lineup of talkers hasn't worked for them. Then they > lost Imus. Outside of Helen Glover, who is a marginal host at best but > has somewhat of a following in the market, what else did that station > have? CC/Providence has been competing against Rush for years, despite > being distributed by co-owned Premiere. They may have just decided to > finally bring Rush in-house to stabilize the station. > > Or, it could be possible that WPRO dropped him. The bulk of his > audience is rapidly entering 55+ land and Citadel may have decided to > go with local hosts that appeal to younger demos. WPRO is also the > news and information station for the market, and they may have wanted a > more local lineup to help reinforce that image. WBAL in Baltimore > dropped Rush last year for the same reasons. > > Looking at the Boston situation, I doubt that CC will move it's > syndicated talkers to WKOX until the signal upgrade to 50,000 watts is > complete. If 1200 doesn't have at least a comparable signal to WRKO > during Rush's time slot, they won't risk putting him on a weaker stick, > even if it is a CC property. If anything, I could see Premiere not > renewing with WRKO and trying to get the show cleared on WTKK. Why > would they want to keep Rush on that sinking ship? A lineup of Howie, > Egan & Braude, Rush, Severin, and Graham Crackers at night would put > WRKO out of it's misery once and for all. Caliente 680, anyone? > > -Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: > > > A talk radio shuffle in Providence on Sept. 20 will have Rush Limbaugh > > moving from WPRO to WHJJ > > and Buddy Cianci back on the airwaves. Citadel's WPRO will have > > DePetro moving to 6 to 10 > > am, followed by Cianci & Ron St. Pierre middays, then an expanded Dan > > Yorke. All local-- > > as opposed to Clear Channel's WHJJ which will have Pittsburgh's Quinn > > and Rose in am > > drive followed by Beck, Limbaugh, and I guess Sean Hannity. > > > > (As far as I know, Helen Glover is gone from WHJJ unless they put her > > in 3-6 pm and > > move Hannity to tape-delayed, or move her to another slot). So WHJJ > > would have the > > powerful Rush (from Clear Channel's syndication arm, Premiere) added > > but there > > will apparently be no local hosts anywhere from 6 am to 6 pm, at least. > > > > It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX in > > Framingham and they could have put > > the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But Rush has > > indeed been placed > > on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. > > > > By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from today). I'm > > guessing > > Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the same day Howie's > > contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved to WHJJ the next > > day. It's > > kind of weird to have a new show/new lineup premiere in the middle of > > the > > week rather than "starting fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a contract > > expires in the middle of the week, the change will also happen at that > > time. > > Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on > > Sept. 20, > > a Thursday. > > > > From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Sep 6 16:31:14 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:31:14 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <20070906203114.B1D0183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>You have Arbitron to thank for that (ill)logic??Sept. 20th is the start of the Fall Book! P=/ Well that explains it, thanks! And I guess Howie's contract was set to expire on the day before the start of the fall book...the orig. plan btw was to have him on WTKK by Oct. 1 but who knows if that will happen. I'm guessing GM, if all the legal hassles are cleared up, would like to have him do some "practice shows" (get used to new studio, new hours, etc.) before an actual on-air debut. \ From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Sep 6 16:36:27 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:36:27 -0500 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <20070906203628.04BF483BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>September 20th is the first day of the fall book, which is why those midweek dates are there. Thanks for info! Maybe I'm just used to TV where daily shows will launch on a Monday, or move to a new time slot ("'Jeopardy', weeknights at 7 pm, starting Monday Sept 17"...) >>what else did that station have? CC/Providence has been competing against Rush for years, despite being distributed by co-owned Premiere. They may have just decided to finally bring Rush in-house to stabilize the station. Good point. You could look at it as "WHJJ now has the most popular syndie hosts--Rush, Beck, Hannity" or "Clear Channel's going the cheap route with syndie hosts". Or, as you say, have Rush go to 920 rather than compete against him. (Kind of ironic, that the new lineup debuts "9/20 on 920"... and 630, too) >>Or, it could be possible that WPRO dropped him. The bulk of his audience is rapidly entering 55+ land and Citadel may have decided to go with local hosts that appeal to younger demos. Right... >>Looking at the Boston situation, I doubt that CC will move it's syndicated talkers to WKOX until the signal upgrade to 50,000 watts is complete. When is that anyway? I thought I'd heard "August" but still no sign of it... WTKK could conceivably pick up Rush but I think they'd have to carry him live. This might mean moving E&B elsewhere and possibly getting rid of O'Reilly (tape delayed, 7 pm) or (hopefully not) Ingraham (tape delayed, 9 pm) in some kind of shuffle. From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Sep 6 16:38:21 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:38:21 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc References: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <4fc429770709061303g76744e22g676718293940aa33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c7f0c5$e409f5b0$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> WKOX will NEVER have an "at least equivalent" signal to WRKO. WKOX's 50-kW signal will be roughly equivalent to WWZN's. Except in unusual cases (such as where a salt-water path completely changes the story), 50 kW on 1200 is not 50 kW on 680 (or 850). Also, WWZN uses almost 200-degree towers, whereas WKOX's new towers in Newton won't even be 90 degrees. Thus. WKOX will, in effect, be transmitting with about half the power that WWZN uses. That 2:1 equivalent-power advantage to WWZN will approximately compenstate for WWZN's frequency being ~25% higher than WKOX's. From a coverage standpoint, the 50-kW full-time AMs in this market fall into three groups: 1) WBZ, 2) WRKO and WEEI, 3) WWZN and WKOX. In fact, because of its low frequency and good transmitter location, WEZE, a 5-kW station, really belongs ahead of WWZN and WKOX. Also, because of its lower frequency and superior transmitter location, WRKO has better coverage than WEEI--almost everywhere. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "David Tomm" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc > Buddy has been silent for almost 5 years. A lot has happened in RI > starting with the fire. It should be good radio. Meanwhile Citadel > has > problems with WSKO which EEI just blew away. > > On 9/6/07, David Tomm wrote: >> September 20th is the first day of the fall book, which is why >> those >> midweek dates are there. >> >> My question is, did Clear Channel choose not to renew Rush on WPRO >> or >> was it Citadel? WHJJ has had it's problems over the last few >> years, >> and a mostly local lineup of talkers hasn't worked for them. Then >> they >> lost Imus. Outside of Helen Glover, who is a marginal host at best >> but >> has somewhat of a following in the market, what else did that >> station >> have? CC/Providence has been competing against Rush for years, >> despite >> being distributed by co-owned Premiere. They may have just decided >> to >> finally bring Rush in-house to stabilize the station. >> >> Or, it could be possible that WPRO dropped him. The bulk of his >> audience is rapidly entering 55+ land and Citadel may have decided >> to >> go with local hosts that appeal to younger demos. WPRO is also the >> news and information station for the market, and they may have >> wanted a >> more local lineup to help reinforce that image. WBAL in Baltimore >> dropped Rush last year for the same reasons. >> >> Looking at the Boston situation, I doubt that CC will move it's >> syndicated talkers to WKOX until the signal upgrade to 50,000 watts >> is >> complete. If 1200 doesn't have at least a comparable signal to >> WRKO >> during Rush's time slot, they won't risk putting him on a weaker >> stick, >> even if it is a CC property. If anything, I could see Premiere not >> renewing with WRKO and trying to get the show cleared on WTKK. Why >> would they want to keep Rush on that sinking ship? A lineup of >> Howie, >> Egan & Braude, Rush, Severin, and Graham Crackers at night would >> put >> WRKO out of it's misery once and for all. Caliente 680, anyone? >> >> -Dave Tomm >> "Mike Thomas" >> >> On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >> > A talk radio shuffle in Providence on Sept. 20 will have Rush >> > Limbaugh >> > moving from WPRO to WHJJ >> > and Buddy Cianci back on the airwaves. Citadel's WPRO will have >> > DePetro moving to 6 to 10 >> > am, followed by Cianci & Ron St. Pierre middays, then an expanded >> > Dan >> > Yorke. All local-- >> > as opposed to Clear Channel's WHJJ which will have Pittsburgh's >> > Quinn >> > and Rose in am >> > drive followed by Beck, Limbaugh, and I guess Sean Hannity. >> > >> > (As far as I know, Helen Glover is gone from WHJJ unless they put >> > her >> > in 3-6 pm and >> > move Hannity to tape-delayed, or move her to another slot). So >> > WHJJ >> > would have the >> > powerful Rush (from Clear Channel's syndication arm, Premiere) >> > added >> > but there >> > will apparently be no local hosts anywhere from 6 am to 6 pm, at >> > least. >> > >> > It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX >> > in >> > Framingham and they could have put >> > the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But >> > Rush has >> > indeed been placed >> > on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. >> > >> > By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from >> > today). I'm >> > guessing >> > Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the same day >> > Howie's >> > contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved to WHJJ the >> > next >> > day. It's >> > kind of weird to have a new show/new lineup premiere in the >> > middle of >> > the >> > week rather than "starting fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a >> > contract >> > expires in the middle of the week, the change will also happen at >> > that >> > time. >> > Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on >> > Sept. 20, >> > a Thursday. >> > >> >> From paul@derrynh.net Thu Sep 6 16:51:08 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:51:08 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc In-Reply-To: <001001c7f0c5$e409f5b0$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <000f01c7f0c7$a7bb0c00$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> OK, so if all the bad things happen to 680 in the talk realm that are theorized, wouldn't it make sense for ESPN on 850 & WEEI programming (if not calls) on 680 to be the future of the 2 AMs? -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Dan.Strassberg Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:38 PM To: Kevin Vahey; David Tomm Cc: BostonRadio Mailing List Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc WKOX will NEVER have an "at least equivalent" signal to WRKO. WKOX's 50-kW signal will be roughly equivalent to WWZN's. Except in unusual cases (such as where a salt-water path completely changes the story), 50 kW on 1200 is not 50 kW on 680 (or 850). Also, WWZN uses almost 200-degree towers, whereas WKOX's new towers in Newton won't even be 90 degrees. Thus. WKOX will, in effect, be transmitting with about half the power that WWZN uses. That 2:1 equivalent-power advantage to WWZN will approximately compenstate for WWZN's frequency being ~25% higher than WKOX's. From a coverage standpoint, the 50-kW full-time AMs in this market fall into three groups: 1) WBZ, 2) WRKO and WEEI, 3) WWZN and WKOX. In fact, because of its low frequency and good transmitter location, WEZE, a 5-kW station, really belongs ahead of WWZN and WKOX. Also, because of its lower frequency and superior transmitter location, WRKO has better coverage than WEEI--almost everywhere. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "David Tomm" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc > Buddy has been silent for almost 5 years. A lot has happened in RI > starting with the fire. It should be good radio. Meanwhile Citadel > has > problems with WSKO which EEI just blew away. > > On 9/6/07, David Tomm wrote: >> September 20th is the first day of the fall book, which is why >> those >> midweek dates are there. >> >> My question is, did Clear Channel choose not to renew Rush on WPRO >> or >> was it Citadel? WHJJ has had it's problems over the last few >> years, >> and a mostly local lineup of talkers hasn't worked for them. Then >> they >> lost Imus. Outside of Helen Glover, who is a marginal host at best >> but >> has somewhat of a following in the market, what else did that >> station >> have? CC/Providence has been competing against Rush for years, >> despite >> being distributed by co-owned Premiere. They may have just decided >> to >> finally bring Rush in-house to stabilize the station. >> >> Or, it could be possible that WPRO dropped him. The bulk of his >> audience is rapidly entering 55+ land and Citadel may have decided >> to >> go with local hosts that appeal to younger demos. WPRO is also the >> news and information station for the market, and they may have >> wanted a >> more local lineup to help reinforce that image. WBAL in Baltimore >> dropped Rush last year for the same reasons. >> >> Looking at the Boston situation, I doubt that CC will move it's >> syndicated talkers to WKOX until the signal upgrade to 50,000 watts >> is >> complete. If 1200 doesn't have at least a comparable signal to >> WRKO >> during Rush's time slot, they won't risk putting him on a weaker >> stick, >> even if it is a CC property. If anything, I could see Premiere not >> renewing with WRKO and trying to get the show cleared on WTKK. Why >> would they want to keep Rush on that sinking ship? A lineup of >> Howie, >> Egan & Braude, Rush, Severin, and Graham Crackers at night would >> put >> WRKO out of it's misery once and for all. Caliente 680, anyone? >> >> -Dave Tomm >> "Mike Thomas" >> >> On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Bob Nelson wrote: >> >> > A talk radio shuffle in Providence on Sept. 20 will have Rush >> > Limbaugh >> > moving from WPRO to WHJJ >> > and Buddy Cianci back on the airwaves. Citadel's WPRO will have >> > DePetro moving to 6 to 10 >> > am, followed by Cianci & Ron St. Pierre middays, then an expanded >> > Dan >> > Yorke. All local-- >> > as opposed to Clear Channel's WHJJ which will have Pittsburgh's >> > Quinn >> > and Rose in am >> > drive followed by Beck, Limbaugh, and I guess Sean Hannity. >> > >> > (As far as I know, Helen Glover is gone from WHJJ unless they put >> > her >> > in 3-6 pm and >> > move Hannity to tape-delayed, or move her to another slot). So >> > WHJJ >> > would have the >> > powerful Rush (from Clear Channel's syndication arm, Premiere) >> > added >> > but there >> > will apparently be no local hosts anywhere from 6 am to 6 pm, at >> > least. >> > >> > It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX >> > in >> > Framingham and they could have put >> > the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But >> > Rush has >> > indeed been placed >> > on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. >> > >> > By the way the change takes place on a Thu (two weeks from >> > today). I'm >> > guessing >> > Rush's contract with WPRO expires after Sept. 19 (the same day >> > Howie's >> > contract with WRKO is to expire) so he'd be moved to WHJJ the >> > next >> > day. It's >> > kind of weird to have a new show/new lineup premiere in the >> > middle of >> > the >> > week rather than "starting fresh on a Monday" but I guess if a >> > contract >> > expires in the middle of the week, the change will also happen at >> > that >> > time. >> > Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on >> > Sept. 20, >> > a Thursday. >> > >> >> From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Sep 6 18:13:35 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:13:35 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc References: <20070906205845.E013016427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003f01c7f0d3$312ff260$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> Yes. I suspect this happened with the old WHDH when it moved to Needham in 1947 or '48. WHDH's amtenna system uses unequal-height towers. Going from west to east, the towers are 640', 600', and 560'. The objective--or so I'm told--was to minimize fading from phasing between the skywave and groundwave in the primary service area (that is, close to Boston) at night and during what are now known as critical hours. Apparently, that part of the design was a failure. However, the average height of the towers is 186.7 degrees, which is slightly more than half a wavelength and should produce an RMS inverse-distance field at 1 km of ~400 mV/m/kW or about 250 mV/m/kW at 1 mile. (The FCC didn't change AM to the metric system until sometime in the '80s, I believe.) The consulting engineers, apparently feeling that it would make the client happier if the proofs of performance showed better performance than had been predicted, perposely low-balled the predicted coverage. They did this by using the minimum efficiency for Class I AMs of 225 mV/m/kW at 1 mile. Remember that WHDH was a Class II station--not a Class I--so an efficiency of 175 mV/m/kW at 1 mile would have been acceptable to the FCC but would have been a huge disappointment to WHDH, given the tall towers. I'm sure that the coverage exceeded the consultants' predictions, and so the Choate family was probably pleased. However, the Hildreth family, owners of WLAW, which moved to Andover to Burlington and increased from 5 kW to 50 kW at just about the same time as WHDH moved from Saugus to Needham and increased from 5 kW to 50 kW. were probably even more pleased. Their consulting engineers had predicted 175 mV/m/kW at 1 mile, whereas, with the tower height WLAW used, the number should have been just about 200. I suspect that WLAW more than met 200, but what was even more interesting was the impressive coverage of Cape Cod, resulting from the salt water path that exists once the signal gets through downtown Boston. And it appears to me that the constraints on the 680 design were more severe than those on 850. The station was to be licensed to Lawrence, whereas the Hildreth's real objective was to serve Boston. That virtually dictated a site midway between the two. The site worked out to be close to Hanscom Field, which doubtless limited the tower height. I'm guessing that the fact that the site turned out to be so nearly perfect was a pleasant surprise to a lot of folks. As for WHDH, the power increase, coupled with the move to Needham must have accomplished the Choates' objective of bringing a better signal to areas west of Boston, but if the Choates expected that their 10x power increase would produce anything like ten times the former coverage, they had to be bitterly disappointed. First off, even with a salt-water path, the finite conductivity keeps the area covered from increasing in direct proportion to the power. However, WHDH left what was probably the second-best AM site in New England (WBZ's Hull site being the best) for a rather average site. On paper, WHDH's Saugus site must have caused a lot of head scratching. The station was directional to the east at night, yet its transmitter was east of the market's major population center. In those days, though, co-channel interference was minimal at night and non-existent by day, so the 5-kW night signal probably did OK as far west as Lexington, which must have been right in the null that protected KOA. And the day signal (which lives on as WROL) was a killer for 5 kW in a region of such poor soil conductivity. The reason, of course, is that the signal reached so much of the market via a salt-water path. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Dan.Strassberg" ; "Kevin Vahey" ; "David Tomm" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan.Strassberg" >To: "Kevin Vahey" , "David Tomm" >Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:38:21 -0400 >WKOX will NEVER have an "at least equivalent" signal to WRKO. WKOX's >50-kW signal will be roughly equivalent to WWZN's. Except in unusual >cases (such as where a salt-water path completely changes the story), >50 kW on 1200 is not 50 kW on 680 (or 850). Also, WWZN uses almost >200-degree towers, whereas WKOX's new towers in Newton won't even be >90 degrees. Thus. WKOX will, in effect, be transmitting with about >half the power that WWZN uses. That 2:1 equivalent-power advantage to >WWZN will approximately compenstate for WWZN's frequency being ~25% >higher than WKOX's. From a coverage standpoint, the 50-kW full-time >AMs in this market fall into three groups: 1) WBZ, 2) WRKO and WEEI, >3) WWZN and WKOX. In fact, because of its low frequency and good >transmitter location, WEZE, a 5-kW station, really belongs ahead of >WWZN and WKOX. Also, because of its lower frequency and superior >transmitter location, WRKO has better coverage than WEEI--almost >everywhere. In your experience, has there ever been a time when, after a CP was built, the resultant signal turned out BETTER than what one would conclude based on some of the factors listed above: less-than-quarter-wave towers; less- than-ideal-soil-conductivity, etc? -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Sep 6 19:12:28 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:12:28 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc In-Reply-To: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070906231241.2277E1B40A2@relay4.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Bob said-- > >It had been rumored Clear Channel would set up talk on its WKOX in >Framingham and they could have put >the likes of Beck and Rush there, but it hasn't happened. But Rush >has indeed been placed >on a Clear Channel property in Providence, though. I am still mystified by why nobody picks up Ed Schultz-- the guy has proved he can make money and get ratings... From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Sep 6 19:18:19 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:18:19 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc In-Reply-To: <003f01c7f0d3$312ff260$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> References: <20070906205845.E013016427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <003f01c7f0d3$312ff260$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> Message-ID: <4fc429770709061618n6a03f315pcf3387c8a5cda8e9@mail.gmail.com> I was told by the late Al Walker that WHDH had to improve the night signal when the Sox started to play home night games or lose the contract with the team. From markwats@comcast.net Thu Sep 6 20:39:05 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:39:05 -0400 Subject: Paul Sullivan's Family Issues Statement On His Health Message-ID: <004001c7f0e7$81bac0c0$738d764c@Mark> The Lowell Sun has a statement from the family of Paul Sullivan on it's website. The statement was released today via WBZ Radio. The family expresses it's appreciation for all the cards and calls Paul received during the past few months, and the medical team that has been treating Paul for almost 3 years. The statement goes on to say that treatments for Paul's cancer have ended and now the focus is on his comfort and quality of life and is receiving hospice care. The statement can be read by clicking the following link: http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6818598 My thoughts and prayers go out to Paul and his family. Mark Watson From markwats@comcast.net Thu Sep 6 20:46:34 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:46:34 -0400 Subject: Joe Morgan No Longer In The "BZ Copter" Message-ID: <004101c7f0e8$8ad96390$738d764c@Mark> This afternoon while tuned in to WBZ Radio, during one of the "Subaru of New England All Wheel Drive Traffic on the 3's" reports, I heard the studio traffic reporter (Scott Eck, IIRC) toss it to Joe Morgan in the "Commerce Insurance" copter. And yes, a few minutes later, after the :40 "Weather on the 10's", there came a spot for Commerce Insurance, about how they have a program to teach young drivers safe driving skills. Mark Watson From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Sep 6 21:38:18 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:38:18 -0400 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc References: <20070906205845.E013016427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <003f01c7f0d3$312ff260$eead4c0c@SatU205S5044> <4fc429770709061618n6a03f315pcf3387c8a5cda8e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201c7f0f0$3f4767d0$1da64c0c@SatU205S5044> I have no idea what year you are talking about, but the problem was not likely the signal but the interference from CKVD (I think those were the calls--outside Montreal) and WYLF in Penn Yan NY. Both of those stations were not operating in accordance with their licenses. Unhapplily, it is very difficult to get such situations under control. the Canadians have always shown indifference toward illegal operation of their AMs. and the Penn Yan station has been a notorious cheater. Nevertheless, even after it paid a hefty fine after years of obviously repeated and willful volations, it was recently reported to be cheating anew. If those allegations are correct, rhe station should lose its license and the owner should be barred from ever owning another station. I think the FCC at least nominally has the authority to revoke broadcast licenses for flagrant technical violations but, as far as I know, owners who have operated their stations irresponsibly are not officially barred from future ownership. The Media Bureau may make it so difficult for such individuals to acquire stations that most of them may give up on the idea, but I've not heard of official prohibitions. Operators of unlicensed broadcast stations are supposed to be barred from future ownership but the same punishment does not seem to be meted out to those who operate licensed stations irresponsibly. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan.Strassberg" Cc: "Laurence Glavin" ; Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc >I was told by the late Al Walker that WHDH had to improve the night > signal when the Sox started to play home night games or lose the > contract with the team. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 22:12:16 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Paul Sullivan's Family Issues Statement On His Health In-Reply-To: <004001c7f0e7$81bac0c0$738d764c@Mark> Message-ID: <493128.60733.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mark Watson wrote: > The Lowell Sun has a statement from the family of Paul Sullivan on > it's > website. The statement was released today via WBZ Radio. The family > expresses it's appreciation for all the cards and calls Paul received > during > the past few months, and the medical team that has been treating Paul > for > almost 3 years. The statement goes on to say that treatments for > Paul's > cancer have ended and now the focus is on his comfort and quality of > life > and is receiving hospice care. > > The statement can be read by clicking the following link: > > http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_6818598 > > My thoughts and prayers go out to Paul and his family. Paul is a rare breed that will not be replaced. I wish him the best as he faces this stage of his fight. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Sep 7 03:30:08 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:30:08 -0500 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <20070907073008.229A083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>OK, so if all the bad things happen to 680 in the talk realm that are theorized, wouldn't it make sense for ESPN on 850 & WEEI programming (if not calls) on 680 to be the future of the 2 AMs? I could picture this: WEEI calls/programming incl. Red Sox on 680. WRKO calls and Celtics basketball on 850. During the day 850 could throw on some regular talk but switch to sports at night (Planet Mikey when Sox are on?--or perhaps ESPN or Fox Sports Radio.) Tonight the Red Sox were on 680 while 850 picked up NFL Football (Colts-Saints)...sign of things to come? Under such a scenario 850 could also be the place for Revs soccer, BC football, etc. >>In fact, because of its low frequency and good transmitter location, WEZE, a 5-kW station, really belongs ahead of WWZN and WKOX. Also, because of its lower frequency and superior transmitter location, WRKO has better coverage than WEEI--almost everywhere. We remember when news and later the sports talk of WEEI was on 590 with a half decent signal though the move to 850 was touted as an improvement. So WEZE 590 (5 kW directional)isn't as good a signal as 680 but would rank ahead of 1510 and 1200, indeed. (If Salem ever were to sell 590 to Entercom maybe they could find a news/sports format to air there...) From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Sep 7 03:38:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:38:16 -0500 Subject: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc Message-ID: <20070907073816.2E3A883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>I am still mystified by why nobody picks up Ed Schultz-- the guy has proved he can make money and get ratings... WRKO seems pretty committed to Savage and then Jerry Doyle at night but after Sox season ends maybe they could air Schultz at 10 pm in place of Doyle; who knows. Today Sean Hannity was making fun of Schultz--and saying Schultz makes fun of him on HIS show all the time. He brought up a recent incident in a bar where a GOP donor somehow thought that Schultz was still a Republican, as he apparently was a bit more conservative in his earlier radio career, and a big fight ensued. It was apparently mentioned in a Fargo, N.D. newspaper. From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Sep 7 04:11:03 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:11:03 -0400 Subject: Ed Schultz (was: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc) In-Reply-To: <20070907073816.2E3A883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070907073816.2E3A883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070907081115.D2F151B4043@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> >Bob wrote-- >Today Sean Hannity was making fun of Schultz--and saying Schultz >makes fun of him on HIS show all the time. He brought up a recent >incident in a bar where a GOP donor somehow thought that >Schultz was still a Republican, as he apparently was a bit >more conservative in his earlier radio career, and a big >fight ensued. It was apparently mentioned in a Fargo, N.D. >newspaper. Too bad the newspaper didn't bother to be accurate, and had to pull half of what was on its website. According to various witnesses, the rightie had been drinking heavily and called Ed some rude names and also threatened Ed; the guy then called Ed's wife even worse names. Ed used to be a heavy drinker, but since he re-married, he basically will have a couple of beers, and he didn't want to fight with the guy. But the guy persisted, and he got up in Ed's face, so Ed pushed him away; then bouncers got involved, the rightie was asked to leave, the end. Today's version of the story was a bit more accurate but that was only after people who had been at the club in question called the newspaper and objected to their breathless tabloid-style "Ed Schultz in a bar fight" headlines. The newspaper, the Fargo (ND) Forum, is owned by a major donor to the Republican party and never says a kind word about Ed even though he has HUGE ratings in Fargo (he's the only progressive on an all rightie station, but he still gets big numbers). I understand that not everyone likes Ed, but since nobody at the newspaper was at the club and got the story only from the rightie, the paper seemed all too eager to run something that made Ed look bad. Today, the paper did seem to back down from its earlier coverage. That said, Hannity and Schultz have been going at each other on the air the same way Keith Olbermann goes after Bill-o and vice versa. Hannity has said that Ed has no advertisers and Democratic congressmen keep him on the air by buying time on his show-- which by the way is totally false; Ed's show is sold out with (gasp) real, honest to goodness advertisers, some local and some national. When Ed first went on the air, two congressmen lent him money so he could keep the show afloat, but that was in 2004. Ed has offered to debate Sean, but Sean keeps refusing. So they snipe at each other on the air, the way talk show hosts often do. But in this case, by all accounts, there was no "bar fight" and Ed did nothing wrong. Those of you who are involved with sports radio, you know that some people will come up to a ballplayer in a club or at a bar and start telling them how they sucked last night or they're a crappy player etc. The impression I get is that this incident with Ed started off with the rightie saying he disliked Ed's show and it just escalated into not liking Ed's political views and then on into insults and curses and threats. Ed was annoyed about it because he said he was just trying to have a nice evening out with his wife... Ed still is conservative about certain issues, by the way-- he is very much pro-life, but doesn't believe the government should impose religious doctrines on anyone else, so he just doesn't discuss it on his show. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Fri Sep 7 08:04:55 2007 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:04:55 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Radio (was Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc) In-Reply-To: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070906150153.84F8983BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: >Similarly, Washington Post radio will give way to WWWT in D.C. on Sept. 20, >a Thursday. Al's Morning Meeting posted on Washington Post radio yesterday: http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=2&aid=129410 From rac@gabrielmass.com Fri Sep 7 08:11:31 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:11:31 -0400 Subject: Ed Schultz In-Reply-To: <20070907081115.D2F151B4043@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <20070907073816.2E3A883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <20070907081115.D2F151B4043@relay5.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <46E13FF3.5050706@gabrielmass.com> Donna Halper wrote: > Ed still is conservative about certain issues, by the way-- he is very > much pro-life, but doesn't believe the government should impose > religious doctrines on anyone else, so he just doesn't discuss it on his > show. So he thinks that abortion, euthanasia, etc., are bad things to do, but he doesn't try to persuade people to abstain from them voluntarily? There's a man who knows his audience. --RC From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Sep 7 09:44:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:44:54 -0500 Subject: Ed Schultz (was: Prov. shuffle: Rush, Buddy, etc) Message-ID: <20070907134454.C9C5483C0C@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>The newspaper, the Fargo (ND) Forum, is owned by a major donor to the Republican party and never says a kind word about Ed even though he has HUGE ratings in Fargo ah, another public figure/newspaper feud (much like Teresa Kerry's incident with a reporter from a Pittsburgh-area paper who was not so fond of her over the years, IIRC, etc.) >>That said, Hannity and Schultz have been going at each other on the air the same way Keith Olbermann goes after Bill-o and vice versa. I hadn't heard Hannity all that much because he's on opposite Howie but with Howie on vacation, I was checking out his show a bit, so I hadn't known that. I do know of several feuds like this-- Sean poked fun at Michael Savage when a caller brought up something and Hannity replied, "Oh, was this something you heard on the Michael Weiner show?" (For the record, that is Savage's given last name...) and Savage also name-calls other talk hosts (O'Reilly = "The Leprechaun"; Rush = "The Golfer" after Limbaugh's frequency in taking time off to play golf, etc.) >> Ed has offered to debate Sean, but Sean keeps refusing. That's what Sean was saying; he said that when certain conditions were met, he'd have him on (I forget what the conditions were) >>Ed still is conservative about certain issues, by the way-- he is very much pro-life, but doesn't believe the government should impose religious doctrines on anyone else, so he just doesn't discuss it on his show. Well maybe a station around here would put him on (I didn't really check out his show before other than a minute or so, and he was actually talking a bit of sports not politics) so people would know this. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Sep 7 09:33:25 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:33:25 -0500 Subject: Ed Schultz Message-ID: <20070907133325.49CC349B72E@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Newsbusters (Right-leaning; caveat lector to the liberals) says there are different versions of the story (kinda like that All in the Family episode where Archie and Mike each had their own spin on what happened when the fridge broke down--oh, and Edith had what was probably more accurate in her own version, but I digress)...Ed Schultz, former Republican and now Jones radio libtalk host and an altercation in a bar: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/09/07/liberal-talk-radio-host-ed-schultz-has-rashomon-bar-feud Hannity mentioned on his show yesterday that "Schulz is financed by the Dem. party". Of course some have also argued that conservative shows are similarly backed by Republicans..judge for thyself. Apparently Schultz claimed the man called his wife a very nasty epithet; the man claims Schultz gave his phone number out over the air and he's been bombarded with calls, etc. From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Sep 7 10:25:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:36 -0500 Subject: Rush to WHJJ on the 17th, actually Message-ID: <20070907142536.D9DC083BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> The WHJJ site says that Rush starts on AM 920 on Monday the 17th, actually (and supposedly Helen Glover of 'HJJ said the same) rather than the 20th. WPRO's site says their new lineup will start on the 20th, though (not sure what they'll put on 12-3 pm on the days in between). DePetro's morning show will apparently be "Morning News" from 6-8 am and then "open lines" for the remainder of the show. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Sep 7 10:33:08 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:33:08 -0400 Subject: D&C down to the final day Message-ID: <4fc429770709070733s3db15dcn2ece003f020f6d2d@mail.gmail.com> The D&C rumors continue to swirl but as of 10 AM they are no longer employed by WEEI as the contract has expired. David Scott looks at the picture and raises questions about Callahan's health being the sticking point. Also he suggests that the Globe and WEEI will end their war and allow Globe staffers back on WEEI. http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/shots/weei_fantasy_draft.php Meanwhile the future of 890 is unknown. While many here suggest t