From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:26:57 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:26:57 -0400
Subject: Dan Rea gets Paul Sullivan's slot
Message-ID: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>

WBZ has made official what most suspected. Dan Rea gets the job fulltime.

http://wbz.com/WBZ-taps-Dan-Rea-as-new-talk-show-host/1031257

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:41:57 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:41:57 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://nightside.ksl.com/

CBS's WBZ says Dan Rea's new show will be called Nightside, but do they have the rights to that name?
Bonnville's WWWT in Washington DC and some other stations they own (KSL in Salt Lake, for example)
already have a show by that name which they intend to take national.

From me@billoneill.us  Mon Oct  1 12:49:31 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:49:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> CBS's WBZ says Dan Rea's new show will be called Nightside, but do they have the rights to that name?

Just what a new show needs, squishy stuff right out of the box.  How 
about night slide, night angle, or, go nuts and call it (wait for it) 
Dan Rea on WBZ.  Two big Boston names. No explanation necessary. 

On a positive note, it's great to see a company guy getting the nod for 
the big chair.  I wish him well.  Unusual in any corporate climate.

Bill O'Neill

From wollman@bimajority.org  Mon Oct  1 14:46:35 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:46:35 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:49:31 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us> said:

> Just what a new show needs, squishy stuff right out of the box.  How 
> about night slide, night angle, or, go nuts and call it (wait for it) 
> Dan Rea on WBZ.  Two big Boston names. No explanation necessary. 

> On a positive note, it's great to see a company guy getting the nod for 
> the big chair.  I wish him well.  Unusual in any corporate climate.

I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been any
guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me wrong:
Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
think they're likely to carry me along.

-GAWollman

From rac@gabrielmass.com  Mon Oct  1 17:44:10 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:44:10 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>

Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
> decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
> think they're likely to carry me along.
> 

 From what I recall, Dan Rea was a strong conservative during his 
college years, and did a little political activism, but I never noticed 
much expression of opinion in his TV work.  If he does shift gears and 
become an openly opinionated radio host, his new platform could make him 
the conservative voice of Massachusetts.

--RC

From hykker@wildblue.net  Mon Oct  1 21:11:34 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:11:34 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>

Garrett Wollman wrote:

>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been any
>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me wrong:
>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>think they're likely to carry me along.


I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a 
harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still 
tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a 
different style than his predecessors.


From scott@fybush.com  Mon Oct  1 21:24:52 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:24:52 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>

SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
> from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
> Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
> only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a harder 
> edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still tune in if 
> I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a different style than 
> his predecessors.

There's a tradition that's developed at WBZ in which each night host is 
dramatically different from his predecessor. Can anyone say that Sully 
was an obvious successor to Professor Brudnoy's nightly classroom of the 
airwaves?

Dan's a talented broadcaster, and I'm sure as he settles in and makes 
the shift his own, we'll hear more personality from him.

I'll still be tuning in, to the extent I'm able now that IBOC hash is 
making WBZ's signal a pale shadow of its former self here in upstate NY...

s

From MauOB@aol.com  Mon Oct  1 21:26:56 2007
From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:26:56 EDT
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <d2e.12d325c8.3432f860@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/1/2007 9:12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hykker@wildblue.net writes:

I'm not  sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a break 
from the way  nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy & Paul 
Sullivan were  just more "folksy" (not really the right word, but the 
only one that comes  to mind right now), where Dan seems to have a 
harder edged,  let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably still 
tune in if I'm  on the road at night, but he definitely has a 
different style than his  predecessors.




I think Paul was very folksy.  He also had a good sense of humor and a  keen 
wit.  Budnoy was more intellectual.  Dan Rhea is very  bland.  Nice enough, 
smart enough, competent but nothing that sets him  apart or makes him engaging.  
 
Personally, I would have enjoyed hearing Steve L. on earlier in  evenings.  
Jordan is also good when he talks
issues and politics.  Jordan unfortunately has seemingly non stop  boring 
guests.
 
Well, there is a chance Dan will develop a bit of personality as he settles  
in.
 
Maureen



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From me@billoneill.us  Mon Oct  1 21:34:16 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:34:16 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<47019DE4.2070200@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4701A018.7010106@billoneill.us>

Scott Fybush wrote:
> There's a tradition that's developed at WBZ in which each night host 
> is dramatically different from his predecessor. Can anyone say that 
> Sully was an obvious successor to Professor Brudnoy's nightly 
> classroom of the airwaves?
>

And let's not forget Jerry Williams who took over the big chair in '68 
and barnstormed through the war and then onto Watergate, and early 
vestiges of forced busing in Boston. 

Bill O'Neill


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Oct  1 21:51:54 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:51:54 -0400
Subject: Dan Rea gets Paul Sullivan's slot
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710010726g77d2c94ck7c92d7f032872e4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4701A43A.1030506@ttlc.net>

Interesting picture.  I've never seen Dan Rea before.

Reminds me of Dale Dorman with a senior politician's
hair and suit.


Kevin Vahey wrote:
> WBZ has made official what most suspected. Dan Rea gets the job fulltime.
> 
> http://wbz.com/WBZ-taps-Dan-Rea-as-new-talk-show-host/1031257
> 
> 


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct  2 00:24:15 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:24:15 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>,
	<47016A2A.20005@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <4701819F.25181.64A85F@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 1 Oct 2007 at 17:44, Richard Chonak wrote:

>  From what I recall, Dan Rea was a strong conservative during his
> college years, and did a little political activism, but I never
> noticed much expression of opinion in his TV work.  If he does shift
> gears and become an openly opinionated radio host, his new platform
> could make him the conservative voice of Massachusetts.
 
I have a vague recollection that he succeeded Don Feder as head of 
the B.U. chapter of Young Americans for Freedom.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From xtrovato@yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 23:04:12 2007
From: xtrovato@yahoo.com (Rob Trovato)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <d2e.12d325c8.3432f860@aol.com>
Message-ID: <663498.92420.qm@web35906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- MauOB@aol.com wrote:

> Dan Rhea is...
> Nice enough, 
> smart enough, competent but nothing that sets him 
> apart or makes him engaging.  

I would agree.  Nice enough, smart enough, competent
enough....

When I think about what he might lack on the air, I
would say 'charm' or 'charisma'.

But that may be due to the only real place he has had
to regularly showcase himself over the years to the
public was in news reporting...where you don't get to
express much of yourself, your thoughts or
personality.

I can't quite see anyone using the word "compelling"
when thinking about Dan Rea on the radio.

However, this may be the chance for him to show those
other aspects of his personality.

FWIW...Everyone I know who has met Dan Rea (in person)
has liked him.  I think he is a like-able fellow in
'real life'.

;-)



      ____________________________________________________________________________________
Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct  2 07:15:32 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:15:32 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>

For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he might
have had to say. But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific! He got
so caught up in his imitation of Wm F Buckley Jr, that he quickly
became a caricature of himself. I think a lot of people were conned by
his use of long words and convoluted syntax and took them as signs of
brilliance, whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
arrogance. I am sorry about his illness and death at a relatively
early age but I'm not sad in the least that he is no longer on the
radio; I wish he had been in a position to just retire from
broadcasting. Another of his vocations that he should have abandoned
decades before his death was writing movie reviews. His were filled
with 100+-word sentences that made them absolutely unreadable. The
work of both of the two current Boston Globe movie critics makes it
clear that intelligent movie criticism can be written as elegant,
readable prose. Brudnoy had no clue about how to write such movie
reviews.

As for Dan Rea, I gather that his politics are pretty far to the
right, although I have not yet heard evidence of that. What I have
heard so far, I like. His approach seems quite free of the overheated
invective and name-calling that characterize nearly all of talk radio
today. Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility. One
can only hope that the approach will prove popular enough to be
emulated. I can think of only one other current talk-show host who
fits the rational mold--and his politics clearly lean to the left:
Thom Hartmann.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been
>>any
>>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me
>>wrong:
>>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>>think they're likely to carry me along.
>
>
> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a
> break from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy &
> Paul Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word,
> but the only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to
> have a harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably
> still tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a
> different style than his predecessors.
>


From map@mapinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 12:55:25 2007
From: map@mapinternet.com (Mark Casey)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:55:25 -0400
Subject: Nightside WBZ
References: <mailman.0.1191340800.23753.boston-radio-interest@lists.BostonRadio.org>
Message-ID: <003b01c80515$07e32d40$0200a8c0@yourm3vezyx8af>

"Nightside" sounds like a pretty generic name. Seems like there has been 
other programs using that name in the past. Since it is common, is it 
probable that Bonneville would not be able to secure "rights" to that name?

Dan Rea's style has been refreshing. I think he'll do at least as well as 
Mr. Sullivan and Mr.Brudnoy, maybe even better.

Mark Casey
K1MAP
Hampden, Mass 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:12:31 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:12:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>

From: "Dan.Strassberg"


> For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
> completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he might
> have had to say.

His accent was part of his charm...and authenticity.

> But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
> fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific!
>    ... whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
> arrogance.

A Phd. give you a certain amount of license to be arrogant.  ;-)

> Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
> rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
> that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
> not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
> responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility.

Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by many to 
be boring.

People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the ratings 
don't show they really use/want it.


From francini@mac.com  Tue Oct  2 13:29:03 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:29:03 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>
	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
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>
> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by  
> many to be boring.
>
> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the  
> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>
If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings,  
year in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm,  
rational, issue-oriented talk that people wanted?  Perhaps it was the  
somewhat professorial style?  (WBZ even did show intros with the  
Professor Kingfisher character from The Paper Chase to emphasize this  
fact.)

John



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:09:13 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:09:13 -0500
Subject: Nightside WBZ
Message-ID: <20071002170913.616B683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Seems like there has been
other programs using that name in the past. Since it is common, is it
probable that Bonneville would not be able to secure "rights" to that name?

Probably true. Sometimes there are local shows that use generic names
like that which they don't copyright. I do know I was looking up some
info about a sports station (in Detroit, IIRC) and they had something
called ... "The Big Show"...


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 13:33:32 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:33:32 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>	<007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
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John Francini wrote:
> If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings, 
> year in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm, 
> rational, issue-oriented talk that people wanted? 

Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much of 
a deal about on air. The occasional caller would address him as "Doctor 
Brudnoy" but that was about it.  What Brudnoy did to garner his decent 
numbers was a truly unique blend of intellect, authenticity, and 
curiosity. He presented as interested in what callers thought at all 
levels of sophistication.  He did that quite well.  Meanwhile, the Talk 
industry was evolving toward a more host-centric product (not 
necessarily for the better) so Brudnoy seemed to stand out more from the 
pack as time went on.

Bill O'Neill

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:57:31 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:57:31 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us>	<18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>	<007401c80517$6e3e6a30$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2><39994F5B-34F2-40D4-AA9E-154A3F9998EE@mac.com>
	<470280EC.1030600@billoneill.us>
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> Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much of 
> a deal about on air. 

Actually his PHD is in History.

(His BA is/was in Japanese Studies.)

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 13:57:41 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:57:41 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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>> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
>> many to be boring.
>>
>> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the 
>> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>>
> If that's the case, then why did Dr. Brudnoy have such good ratings,  year 
> in and year out -- while delivering exactly the sort of calm,  rational, 
> issue-oriented talk that people wanted?

Well, while you see Brudnoy as calm, rational, issue-oriented talk...others 
saw as boorish (Mr. Glavin)

While he was calm, he certainly handed out his "slams" in a colorful 
manner...

Referring to urban HS kids as "gorillas" roaming the hallways was one that 
many people took issue with.

But in his calm professorial manner, people didn't take ussue with it.

Being on WBZ helps too.  (Has anyone ever done badly with the night slot at 
WBZ?) 


From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Oct  2 14:05:13 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:05:13 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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<<On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:33:32 -0400, "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us> said:

> What Brudnoy did to garner his decent numbers was a truly unique
> blend of intellect, authenticity, and curiosity. He presented as
> interested in what callers thought at all levels of sophistication.
> He did that quite well.

The thing about Bruds, at least for me, was that -- even when he was
wrong, which was frequently -- he was *interesting* to listen to.  He
had that breadth of knowledge to make the odd connections and question
the unquestionable.  And even when he had guests on whose positions
he opposed, he would give them the opportunity to make their cases and
respond to his arguments (although he allowed somewhat less of his
callers).  He didn't call them names to their faces, and (at least in
my listening) he didn't mute their mikes while they were responding.

Sully, on the other hand, seemed more like "the voice of the common
man" (or at least the common Lowellite).  In an odd way, he had some
parallels with the late English comedian Linda Smith: a plain,
working-class person who can nonetheless speak and write well and
entertain without resorting to crudity.  (In Britain, although not so
much here, there is this assumption that one must be middle-class to
be literate or able to speak properly, which Smith fought her whole
career.)  Sully was a bit blustery, however, and never let a lack of
knowledge or insight keep him from offering an opinion on the issues
of the day.  (His producers pulled some of the most infuriating
examples to drop in at the opening.)

I didn't listen to Rea's first official show.  All I know about his
background so far, beyond his television experience, is that he went
to law school.  (He introduced a guest a few weeks ago as having gone
to the same law school as he had.)  I'm not sure if that's good, bad,
or indifferent.  I see from his wbz1030.com bio that he's a lifelong
Bostonian.

-GAWollman

From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:48:46 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:48:46 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071002174846.131681CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don A" 
>To: "Dan.Strassberg" , SteveOrdinetz , "Boston Radio Interest" 
>Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:12:31 -0400

>Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by 
>many to be boring.
>People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the 
>ratings don't show they really use/want it.

Boston doesn't have PPM ratings with the non-comms and commercial outlets
measured and published as one yet, but rrconline.org has been around for
a while and WBUR rates with the top-tier of stations in Boston.
Since they air Tom Ashbrook four hours a day, he must contribute to
their strong ratings.  
By the way, there's no better metric of a talk show host's caliber than
the extent that they kept me on when I called.  Some of my calls to
David were quite lengthy; he himself would ask follow-up questions or
engage me with the guest.  Now that's class!
Recently, Tom Ashcroft did the same thing when I called "On Point"
after Luciano Pavarotti's death.  He rightfully identified me as a 
member of the cognoscenti (how could he do otherwise?)
and then asked a question after my opening comment that related not 
to Pavarotti's voice, but to his acting prowess, which by the time I
saw him in live performance, was almost nil.  Tom is usually quick
on the button since he has only two 55-minute segments to cover a subject,
so not everyone gets to stay on the line!

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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct  2 13:56:16 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:56:16 -0500
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now
Message-ID: <20071002175616.5A4EF49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

After complaints, ABC/Citadel has sent a memo to its stations asking them to stop broadcasting
I-Block, er, IBOC at night while the problems are being studied...interference issues are
the factor (example, between WABC and WJR...)

This is actually welcome news for many DX-ers including yours truly who depends on stations
like WEPN in NY to carry major league baseball playoffs (non-Red Sox). I listen at work at night
and it would be very tough if I-Block came into play (no word if WBZ plans to drop it,
or if they're even doing it at night? though I did manage to pick up the 1050...). Last night, for example, I just barely managed
to pick up Boston's ESPN stations (890/1400) for that wild card playoff game (other
outlets, like WEPN in NY, had other programming). But I usually can't pick them up
(at one point I was getting WLS on 890 instead) and have to try elsewhere.

Anyway, an interesting development...

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 14:26:46 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:26:46 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
References: <20071002174846.131681CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
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>>Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
>>many to be boring.
>>People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the
>>ratings don't show they really use/want it.


>WBUR rates with the top-tier of stations in Boston.
Since they air Tom Ashbrook four hours a day, he must contribute to
their strong ratings.  <


Their strong ratings are mostly made up of Morning Edition and All Things 
Considered where they perform phenomenally well.

Fromn the last time I saw a BUR breakdowns....the rest of the day (midday 
and nights and weekdends) are rather lackluster.


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 14:35:38 2007
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:35:38 -0400
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now
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I recently went out and bought an HD radio (the Sony XDR-S3HD). HD on the AM
dial frankly is not worth the effort, imho. Yes, WBZ sounds better, but not
to the point that I would listen to a station because it was in HD. I think
the real future is on the FM dial. One thing that bothers me about at least
2 of the 3 table top HD radios being sold in stores is that there is no
built-in ferrite rod AM antenna. The Sony came with a spool of wire to serve
as the AM antenna. About 25 miles north of Boston, the included folded
dipole antenna is fine on FM, but on AM the longwire is a pain to deal with
in a condo.

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Bob Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:56 PM
To: BostonRadio Mailing List
Subject: ABC/Citadel halting nighttime IBOC for now

After complaints, ABC/Citadel has sent a memo to its stations asking them to
stop broadcasting
I-Block, er, IBOC at night while the problems are being
studied...interference issues are
the factor (example, between WABC and WJR...)

This is actually welcome news for many DX-ers including yours truly who
depends on stations
like WEPN in NY to carry major league baseball playoffs (non-Red Sox). I
listen at work at night
and it would be very tough if I-Block came into play (no word if WBZ plans
to drop it,
or if they're even doing it at night? though I did manage to pick up the
1050...). Last night, for example, I just barely managed
to pick up Boston's ESPN stations (890/1400) for that wild card playoff game
(other
outlets, like WEPN in NY, had other programming). But I usually can't pick
them up
(at one point I was getting WLS on 890 instead) and have to try elsewhere.

Anyway, an interesting development...


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 14:32:06 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:32:06 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Don A wrote:
>
>> Brudnoy's PhD in Japanese studies wasn't something that he made much 
>> of a deal about on air. 
>
> Actually his PHD is in History.
>
> (His BA is/was in Japanese Studies.)
>
>

I stand corrected. Thank you, sir!

Bill O.

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Tue Oct  2 14:20:06 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <18178.34905.356789.596853@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <451328.67578.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote:
> I didn't listen to Rea's first official show.  All I know about his
> background so far, beyond his television experience, is that he went
> to law school.  (He introduced a guest a few weeks ago as having gone
> to the same law school as he had.)  I'm not sure if that's good, bad,
> or indifferent.  I see from his wbz1030.com bio that he's a lifelong
> Bostonian.

He is a professional's professional. His reporting on the Salvati case
was dogged. He may have become too close to the subject -- not my place
to decide that -- but he and his editors/producers didn't let the story
die, either.




       
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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct  2 15:30:56 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:30:56 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Well, Ashbrook certainly doesn't deal in invective. So that part is
true, but he is so slavishly bound to the clock and to not missing a
post that I often find listening to On Point nerve wracking! I found
the most refreshing On Point programs to be those hosted by John
Hockenberry while Ashbrook was on vecation a year or so ago.
Hockenberry doesn't have Ashbrook's million-dollar pipes, but there is
nothing wrong with his voice; it's fine. AND he hit all of those posts
without a sign of agitation and without urging a single caller (at
least none that I heard) to get on with it "we have a break coming
up." I said to myself, "this guy is REALLY talented." Within the last
week or so, I read that Hockenberry has landed a new gig at some major
public radio station--WNYC, maybe. My reaction was "good for him but
too bad for us." I was hoping he'd wind up in Boston. IIRC, the item
mentioned the time at which the new program will air and it did not
seem as though it would fit into the schedule of either WBUR or
WGBH-FM.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "SteveOrdinetz"
<hykker@wildblue.net>; "Boston Radio Interest"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> From: "Dan.Strassberg"
>
>
>> For me, Sully's voice and grating eastern Mass regional accent got
>> completely in the way of my appreciating anything worthwhile he
>> might
>> have had to say.
>
> His accent was part of his charm...and authenticity.
>
>> But, at the risk of incurring the wrath of his many
>> fans on this list, I thought that Brudnoy was simply horrific!
>>    ... whereas all they did were reveal his boorishness and
>> arrogance.
>
> A Phd. give you a certain amount of license to be arrogant.  ;-)
>
>> Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
>> rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
>> that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers
>> us,
>> not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
>> responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility.
>
> Well, Tom Ashbrook does exactly that on WBUR...and is considered by
> many to be boring.
>
> People say they desire calm rational issue-oriented talk...but the
> ratings don't show they really use/want it.
>


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Tue Oct  2 15:46:23 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:46:23 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Don A wrote:

> Well, while you see Brudnoy as calm, rational, issue-oriented 
> talk...others saw as boorish (Mr. Glavin)
> 
> While he was calm, he certainly handed out his "slams" in a colorful 
> manner...
> 
> Referring to urban HS kids as "gorillas" roaming the hallways was one 
> that many people took issue with.


Brudnoy's manner did change over the years.   In his later years, he 
talked like a cranky old guy, and wisecracked about his supposedly 
Pleistocene age.    In the late 1970s, though, the kindler gentler Dr 
Brudnoy was less prone to harsh talk and more willing to suffer fools 
gladly.

While a lot of us remember his days on WBZ, that wasn't his first 
talk-show stint: he'd appeared on 850 or 680 before then.  Maybe both?

--RC

From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct  2 15:49:59 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:49:59 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Richard Chonak wrote:
> While a lot of us remember his days on WBZ, that wasn't his first 
> talk-show stint: he'd appeared on 850 or 680 before then.  Maybe both?
>

He took over at six pm after Jerry on WRKO for a while. The crossovers 
between the two often made for interesting radio in a train wreck sort 
of way.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  Train wrecks in 
radio can make for good listening.

Bill O'Neill

From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct  2 16:36:28 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:36:28 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
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Dan.Strassberg wrote:
> ...but he is so slavishly bound to the clock and to not missing a
> post that I often find listening to On Point nerve wracking! I found
> the most refreshing On Point programs to be those hosted by John
> Hockenberry while Ashbrook was on vecation a year or so ago.
> Hockenberry doesn't have Ashbrook's million-dollar pipes, but there is
> nothing wrong with his voice; it's fine. AND he hit all of those posts
> without a sign of agitation and without urging a single caller (at
> least none that I heard) to get on with it "we have a break coming
> up."
My observations on Dan Rea after several weeks of listening during my 1+ 
hour commute
home from Chelmsford MA to Fremont, NH:

1. He has a tendency towards trying to squeeze in "just one more call" 
before the TOH. 
This invariably leads to one of 4 things:
a. Cutting the caller short - before he even gets his viewpoint stated 
or question asked.
b. Asking the caller to be brief - generally unsuccessful. Most callers' 
idea of brief is 5 minutes or so.
c. Holding the caller through the newscast - not possible if there's a 
guest/subject change.
d. Running late.

2. When he's passionate about a subject or when he's trying to steer a 
listener's thinking
toward his point of view, he has a tendency to speak very quickly and 
the pitch of his
voice goes way up.

3. Whenever he receives a first time caller, or a caller from outside of 
New England he
belabors the point of asking the caller to listen to WBZ on the Web 
and/or lock his radio's
dial setting into the vehicle's pushbuttons - almost to the point of 
obsession.

4. He has had his share of conspiracy theorists calling in the past 3 
weeks.  Some he had to cut off. 
Others he engaged in what seemed to be endless, fruitless exchanges of 
diametrically opposed viewpoints.
He seems to get caught up in arguing with them.  They interrupt him, he 
interrupts them.  That has led to
requests for callers not to engage in wackazoid, off-the-wall viewpoints 
and stick to mainstream discourse.
It appears he doesn't handle seriously dissenting callers with elegance, 
panache & flair.  It's possible that
call screening is an issue, but I am under the impression that the 
producer is the same as with Paul Sullivan.




From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 03:51:18 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:51:18 -0500
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
Message-ID: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

The "let's squeeze in one more call" bit has happened with other talk hosts too, like Howie Carr 
(well, like he USED to do before he "benched" himself!)

Howie: We're almost at the top of the hour but we can squeeze in one more call. You're next on
the Howie Carr Show. Hello... hello...

Caller: Am I on?

Howie: Yes, you're on, quickly, please. Make sure your radio is turned down.

Caller: Oh. Sorry. Really enjoy your show, Howie. I've been listening for about a year
now and you really...

Howie: Quickly, PLEASE!

Caller: Oh...Well..Uh, I lost my train of thought. Oh wait. Now, Howie--

Howie: I'm sorry, we're out of time. I'm Howie Carr.

From me@billoneill.us  Wed Oct  3 06:52:12 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:52:12 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003075118.CA1F983BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
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Bob Nelson wrote:
> The "let's squeeze in one more call" bit has happened with other talk hosts too, like Howie Carr (snip)
> Howie: I'm sorry, we're out of time. I'm Howie Carr.
>   

That's indicative of quite a few things, not exclusive to (a) (Ritalin 
Method) they're on a roll and are getting carried away; (b) (Sally Field 
Method) lots of calls means "You like me, you really like me!"; (c) 
(Crickets Method) I got nuthin', hope you do; (d) Host has given the 
talented producer no clout; (e) Producer's doing homework and chewing 
gum at the same time.

Bill O'Neill


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 09:13:17 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:13:17 -0400
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>

Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.

http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035634

There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
have vanished.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 11:09:32 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:09:32 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <20071003150932.0BDEE49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

Was just about to mention that--the man who showed up is being
buried today in Winchester. As Carr notes, while neither Boston
paper had his obit, he was huge news in 1962 (the year
I was born)

Good night and good luck, good night to you...



From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:00:08 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:00:08 -0400
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031100y1b6c4bcdkb78f9557272bb24c@mail.gmail.com>

The fact that WMEX had any listeners away from the coast when doing talk
when you had WTOP and WKBW coming in stronger on both sides is astounding.

I remember talking one night to Mac Richmond's nightime spy at WMEX (Norman
Soloman ) and he told me the only reason Mac went to 50,000 watts was so it
would impress the ad agencies and he could get more money for spots.

Norman would be there 7 nights a week and would also visit Squantum to make
sure the transmitter tech was awake.





On 10/3/07, Laurence Glavin <lglavin@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a testament to Woo-woo Ginsberg's popularity that WMEX garnered the
> ratings he did especially in winter, against the GIANT signals from WBZ,
> WNAC,
> WHDH and not-so-giant-but-still-pretty-good WEEI. AM's at 1150, 1260 and
> 1510
>

From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:42:39 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:42:39 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
Message-ID: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Vahey" 
>To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:13:17 -0400


>Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
>Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
>Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.

>http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035634

>There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
>have vanished.

Howie mentioned that WMEX was able to get as high as a 40-share in those
days, while top-rated station (i.e. stations where he never worked) are
lucky to get a 7.  Well, remember that FM radio in those days was not a factor.
A couple of daytimers, WORL-AM 950 and WBMS-AM 1090 had listeners sunrise
to sunset, at night the only players were WEEI-AM 590; WNAC-AM 680; WHDH-AM 850;
WBZ-AM 1030; WCOP-AM 1150; WVDA-AM 1260 and WMEX-AM 1510.  (WVOM-AM 1600 existed
but then as now was given over largely to foreign-language programming.
WCRB broadcast on 1330 with a really tough signal in Boston, even worse than
WMEX's and by then was programming for FM listeners, even offering AM/FM stereo
broadcasts, and they were usually playing REAL classical music.)
It's a testament to Woo-woo Ginsberg's popularity that WMEX garnered the 
ratings he did especially in winter, against the GIANT signals from WBZ, WNAC,
WHDH and not-so-giant-but-still-pretty-good WEEI. AM's at 1150, 1260 and 1510 
are no longer competitive, but the FM dial bristles with signals in the Metro
Boston area, and even non-commercial FM's are now a factor.

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From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:42:36 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:42:36 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>

Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...

It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI

The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Wed Oct  3 15:08:48 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <680271.45039.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
> 
> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
> 
> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400

WEEI promoted yesterday that it is the only "local" station with the
Sox network in the postseason. 




       
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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Wed Oct  3 15:24:45 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:24:45 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>



Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
>
> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
>
> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400
>
>   
Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the playoffs 
will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room for wiggle on 
that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try break the contract.



From me@billoneill.us  Wed Oct  3 15:23:20 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:23:20 -0400
Subject: Citadel Imus Close to Deal?
Message-ID: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>

Neil Best at Newsday at 
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-spimus1003,0,799288,print.story
says that the long-rumored Imus landing at a Citadel property may come 
to fruition, e.g., WABC, WPLJ, etc. McCord would go with him (so 
surprise) and perhaps McGuirk.

Any ideas as to the likely syndicator?

Bill O'Neill

From francini@mac.com  Wed Oct  3 15:41:07 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:41:07 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>

Actually, if I were Red Sox management, I'd try to get Entercom to  
stop shuffling the games around, and PUT THE DAMN GAMES ON WEEI AND  
LEAVE THEM THERE. A talk station has NO business carrying sports.   
Especially since the audiences don't cross over well. It's always  
bugged me that WBZ-1030 AM has continued to carry Bruins Hockey,  
especially when that is so far off from their normal evening fare.

Back when the good Dr. Brudnoy graced our airwaves, you could always  
tell just how much he loved being pre-empted for "an exciting hockey  
game". His delivery of that line was always dripping with sarcasm.

And at the same time, Dennis and Callahan on WEEI have NO business  
talking politics, current events, or any other subject that they  
stick their noses into that ISN'T sports.

Sorry for the ranting tone, but I'm tired of all this shuffling around.

And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a  
national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and  
<insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.

Sigh.

John





On 3 Oct 2007, at 15:24, Roger Kirk wrote:

>
>
> Kevin Vahey wrote:
>> Both papers list the game as being on WRKO tonight but no...
>>
>> It is Wednesday so it is on WEEI
>>
>> The game will also be heard on ESPN 890-1400
>>
>>
> Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the  
> playoffs will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room  
> for wiggle on that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try  
> break the contract.
>
>


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Wed Oct  3 15:45:53 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:45:53 -0400
Subject: Citadel Imus Close to Deal?
In-Reply-To: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>
References: <4703EC28.8060905@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <734c666ce5b4ecc7ca063538cdc53479@charter.net>

Citadel owns the ABC Radio Network--it was part of the deal along with  
the terrestrial stations they bought from Disney/ABC.  I would assume  
they would keep it in house and do it themselves.   They already  
distribute Hannity and a few other conservatalkers, so Imus would fit  
right in.

The question for me is, will the I-man land on WABC or WPLJ?  I would  
think he'd be a better fit on 770, and I'm sure he could outbill Curtis  
Sliwa in mornings.  While WPLJ does need a format change, I can't see  
him landing on 95.5.   He'd be battling for the same demos/audience  
that listens to WABC.  There's no synergy there.

As far as Boston goes, he won't land anywhere until the Howie Carr  
situation is settled.  If Entercom wins and keeps him from going to  
96.9, I think WTKK would bring Imus back.   If Howie gets his wish and  
moves to FM, it wouldn't surprise me to see WRKO dump or move the  
Speakah and replace him with Imus.  680 needs a talk host with some  
name recognition in a big way besides Rush, and Finneran just isn't  
cutting it.  Despite his baggage, Imus might be worth the gamble for  
WRKO.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote:

> Neil Best at Newsday at  
> http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny- 
> spimus1003,0,799288,print.story
> says that the long-rumored Imus landing at a Citadel property may come  
> to fruition, e.g., WABC, WPLJ, etc. McCord would go with him (so  
> surprise) and perhaps McGuirk.
>
> Any ideas as to the likely syndicator?
>
> Bill O'Neill
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Wed Oct  3 16:43:21 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:43:21 -0500
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
Message-ID: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Francini" 
>To: "Roger Kirk" 
>Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:41:07 -0400


>Actually, if I were Red Sox management, I'd try to get Entercom to 
>stop shuffling the games around, and PUT THE DAMN GAMES ON WEEI AND 
>LEAVE THEM THERE. A talk station has NO business carrying sports. 

Someone posting to the website of the folks trying to restore progressive
radio in Boston suggested that John Henry should buy a radio station and
convert it to that format.  For all his avowed success with commodities or 
whatever his day job is, the J-man (along with his partners) certainement
screwed up the Boston American League Baseball Corporation's radio contract!
I think he should stick to overpaying for mansions he intends to raze and
not get involved in the looney world of broadcasting!

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From elipolo@earthlink.net  Wed Oct  3 17:53:08 2007
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:53:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Stella Mars now WUMB PM drive
Message-ID: <15869217.1191448388847.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I just noticed that longtime Boston area radio host
Stella Mars is the new afternoon drive host on WUMB.
Stella has been on many stations in the Boston market
including WBUR, WBOS, WEGQ/WQSX, WBMX, WROR, and WMJX
among others.

There have been many new voices rotating through WUMB 
since the departure of 12-year host Marilyn Rea Beyer 
a few months ago. Stella is the first to be posted on 
the current WUMB website schedule along with longtime 
host Dick Pleasants (mornings) and Dave Palmater (mid-
days), so I assume that she's officially got the gig.
Congratulations to Stella, and I hope it works out 
well for her!

EP




From paul@derrynh.net  Wed Oct  3 18:01:18 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:01:18 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

I think it'll be Dave O'Brien the rest of the way, now that ESPN TV baseball
coverage is complete for the year...

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
John Francini
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:41 PM
To: Roger Kirk
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Kevin Vahey
Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around


And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a  
national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and  
<insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.

Sigh.

John


>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 19:54:00 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:54:00 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
References: <DA322DCC-F751-4AE0-AC99-E4DF25C39E50@mac.com>
	<003101c80608$ede768d0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710031654h2e58ba6gf17c4e5e61a33511@mail.gmail.com>

Nope Geffner will work the ALCS and World Series as Obie doing the TV
feed seen outside the US produced by ESPN for MLB International,

On 10/3/07, Paul Hopfgarten <paul@derrynh.net> wrote:
> I think it'll be Dave O'Brien the rest of the way, now that ESPN TV baseball
> coverage is complete for the year...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
> John Francini
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: Roger Kirk
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org; Kevin Vahey
> Subject: Re: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
>
>
> And yes, the games are on ESPN 890/1400 as well, but that's a
> national broadcast, with a national angle, not Joe Castiglione and
> <insert color-man-of-the-day-here>.
>
> Sigh.
>
> John
>
>
> >
>
>

From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 01:53:59 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:53:59 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710030613u3b8117cahe8c4fba84cee1975@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470439A7.8951.4CF144@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 9:13, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Howie writes in the Herald this morning about an infamous moment in
> Boston radio. Back in 1962 a Williams critic showed up at the Fenway
> Park studios and got into a fistfight with Jerry on the air.
> 
> http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1035
> 634
> 
> There was a clip of that on the net a few years ago but it seems to
> have vanished.
 
I remember hearing that clip some time ago.  It was played on the air 
at one time or another.  And I also remember Julius Ansel.

-- 
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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
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From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 01:54:01 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:54:01 -0500
Subject: Howie writes about Jerry Williams' brawl at WMEX
In-Reply-To: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003174239.B91D31F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <470439A9.23461.4CF81A@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 12:42, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Howie mentioned that WMEX was able to get as high as a 40-share in
> those days, while top-rated station (i.e. stations where he never
> worked) are lucky to get a 7.  Well, remember that FM radio in those
> days was not a factor. A couple of daytimers, WORL-AM 950 and WBMS-AM
> 1090 had listeners sunrise to sunset, at night the only players were
> WEEI-AM 590; WNAC-AM 680; WHDH-AM 850; WBZ-AM 1030; WCOP-AM 1150;
> WVDA-AM 1260 and WMEX-AM 1510.  (WVOM-AM 1600 existed but then as now
> was given over largely to foreign-language programming. 

By 1962, WBMS had become WILD, WVDA had become WEZE, and WVOM had 
become WBOS.


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From joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Oct  4 02:01:58 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:01:58 -0500
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071003204321.47311102EC@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <47043B86.4945.543FB0@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Oct 2007 at 15:43, Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Someone posting to the website of the folks trying to restore
> progressive radio in Boston suggested that John Henry should buy a
> radio station and convert it to that format.  

No they didn't.  They suggested that he be approached to be an 
investor in such a station.  Just as there are several minority 
investors in the Red Sox.

-- 
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 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 02:12:58 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:12:58 -0400
Subject: Even with the playoffs the Entercom moves the Sox around
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710032312qda45d01v5dfc7bcefca416f2@mail.gmail.com>

It's amazing...they continue the "Red Sox Wednesdays" idea. These games are
important enough that shouldn't they be on both? They did that for Opening Day
and Home Opener.

I did hear the game at work though WEEI is tougher to get. WAMG/WLLH did
have it too, of course...for the Cubs-Diamondbacks game I had to use an
FM re-transmitter to boost the 890 signal.

FWIW, WBZ is doing HD days and obliterating 1050 out of NY...luckily 890
had the Rockies-Phillies game. (Note though that I was trying to pick up
1050 on a car stereo which might not be made as well and may have a tough
time breaking the I-Block.)

I complained to WRKO but I don't think it will do much good. It is so stupid:
"EVERY game will be on WRKO". Yes but not tonight and not a possible
game 5 next Wed. Also one of the ALCS games falls on a Wed., as do
games 1 and 6 of the World Series, should the Sox get that far.

I would think by then the dunderheads on Guest St. will finally decide to
put it on both stations (some people DO have trouble getting WEEI). Games
1 and 6 of the World Series would be at Fenway should the Sox win
the pennant. Do we expect to hear a Savage re-run on 680 those
nights instead?

Insane.

> Last night, the promos were quite specific - The Red Sox in the playoffs
> will be EXCLUSIVELY ON AM680, WRKO!  I don't see much room for wiggle on
> that one.  If I were the Red Sox' management, I'd try break the contract.

From mike@miscon.net  Thu Oct  4 11:45:58 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:45:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>




Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3),
listeners throughout WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could
receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3 channel.

The premise is that WGBH launched this as a test of the extended HD
mode to determine if the HD3 signal would interfere with WGBH's main
signal.

Presently, WGBH's HD channels are:

HD1: main 89.7 signal (48kbs)

HD2: all classical (48kbs)

HD3: WCAI (24kbs)

Just thought some of you 'd want to
know...

Mike





From radiotony@comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 12:04:42 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:42 -0400
Subject: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name
In-Reply-To: <001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071001164157.DAEAC83BE6@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><4701251B.1040807@billoneill.us><18177.16523.996593.936816@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>	<20071002011144.5883456436D@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<001c01c804e5$8e932910$34efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000f01c806a0$47723460$d6569d20$@net>

I like what Dan Rea is doing with the slot and wish him well. He is a great
journalist and has put in a lot of time breaking really good stories.
What he did in the investigation of Joe Salvati - not letting go of the
story - is unheard of these days in broadcast journalism. 
I think his goal of a local show who puts people's feet to the fire is a
good angle.
I don't know if he is right to far right but I sense a moderate to
conservative philosophy. 
My only criticism of him is that he did, unwittingly, continue to perpetuate
the myth that 
Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11, after a caller from Medford a few
months back talked about the young men from the town
signing up to go to Iraq. The caller kept saying, We can't forget 9-11, we
can't forget 9-11. And Rea said, That's right. 
When called on it by another caller towards the end of that hour, Rea denied
that he said it and berated the caller quite defensively.
The caller was right and Rea was wrong. 

Best, 
Tony Schinella
Politizine.com


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Dan.Strassberg
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:16 AM
To: SteveOrdinetz; Boston Radio Interest
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name

As for Dan Rea, I gather that his politics are pretty far to the
right, although I have not yet heard evidence of that. What I have
heard so far, I like. His approach seems quite free of the overheated
invective and name-calling that characterize nearly all of talk radio
today. Heaven knows, we need less inflammatory rhetoric and a more
rational approach to issue-oriented talk. Rea may be offering just
that; time will tell. If, indeed, calm reason is what Rea offers us,
not only he, but also 'BZ management, will deserve kudos for
responsible use of the license for New England's best AM facility. One
can only hope that the approach will prove popular enough to be
emulated. I can think of only one other current talk-show host who
fits the rational mold--and his politics clearly lean to the left:
Thom Hartmann.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveOrdinetz" <hykker@wildblue.net>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Bonneville is already using "Nightside" name


> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>>I certainly don't want to pre-judge the show when it's only just
>>begun, but if the past few months of "on-air auditions" have been
>>any
>>guide, I don't think I'm likely to be listening.  Don't get me
>>wrong:
>>Dan Rea is a competent broadcaster and a good interviewer, but every
>>time I've listened to him over the past few months, he's really left
>>me cold.  Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine ever hearing a
>>news story and thinking, "I wonder what Dan Rea has to say about
>>this."  Perhaps WBZ is trying to make a break from the past two
>>decades of distinctly opinionated evening talk hosts, but I don't
>>think they're likely to carry me along.
>
>
> I'm not sure I'd quite put it that way, but I also see him as a
> break from the way nights have been done on WBZ.  David Brudnoy &
> Paul Sullivan were just more "folksy" (not really the right word,
> but the only one that comes to mind right now), where Dan seems to
> have a harder edged, let's-get-to-the-point approach.  I'll probably
> still tune in if I'm on the road at night, but he definitely has a
> different style than his predecessors.
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Oct  4 16:45:51 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com><4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>

I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the aggregate bit rate
of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps. As
a result, the main channel could either be 32 or 48 kbps and if the
main channel is 32, the HD-2 and HD-3 channels would each also be 32.
If the main channel was 48, HD-2 and HD-3 would each be 24. I also
heard that the single channel of AM HD is 24. I don't think that
anyone has proposed four 24-kbps channels per station on FM, but if my
figures are correct (and if they aren't, can somebody please correct
me), each of the channels would have the same bandwidth as the single
channel on the AM-band version.

Now, the HD codecs are allegedly superior to those use in Webcasts. I
am listening to a mono 48-kbps Web stream as I type this; it's Danny
Stiles from WNSW (the link is at www.dannystiles.com). Other than
Stiles' voice, the material--lots of old records from the 30s, 40s,
50s, and 60s--probably doesn't have even as much as 5 kHz of audio
bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the
same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm
listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody
would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be quite a feat
to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of
the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.

I've had DSL service for less than a week. A moment ago, I experienced
my first dropout; dropouts are much less common than with dialup. When
the DSL signal came back, however, the bit rate had increased from
1184 kbps to 1248. It's probably my imagination, but the audio
bandwidth of the stream may have improved when the signal returned.
Don't ask me to explain that because 48 kbps is a small fraction of
both 1184 and 1248.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mike@miscon.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD


>
>
>
> Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3),
> listeners throughout WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could
> receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3 channel.
>
> The premise is that WGBH launched this as a test of the extended HD
> mode to determine if the HD3 signal would interfere with WGBH's main
> signal.
>
> Presently, WGBH's HD channels are:
>
> HD1: main 89.7 signal (48kbs)
>
> HD2: all classical (48kbs)
>
> HD3: WCAI (24kbs)
>
> Just thought some of you 'd want to
> know...
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>


From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Oct  4 18:16:54 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:16:54 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <4fc429770710031142j34c58adch9fbdf731412f57d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<.132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
	<001c01c806c7$8ee8a910$68efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <18181.26198.592556.464436@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:

> I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the aggregate bit rate
> of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps.

Extended hybrid mode adds 12.5, 25, or 50 kbit/s of additional
capacity over standard hybrid mode.  Thus, a station running full
extended-hybrid could carry their main service at 64 kbit/s, a second
audio service at 48 kbit/s, and a third audio service at 32 kbit/s,
leaving 2 kbit/s for PAD and other signalling.

> bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the
> same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm
> listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody
> would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be quite a feat
> to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of
> the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.

None of these codecs implement lossless stereo.  The standard
technique (I don't think HE-AAC aka "HDC" actually does this) is to
compute a source-direction vector for each subband in the encoder, and
then quantize it down to just a few bits per block of audio.

-GAWollman


From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Oct  4 18:20:59 2007
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:20:59 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <18181.26198.592556.464436@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <004701c806d4$d7cf7570$6800a8c0@lysthia>

I just tuned in to WGBH from Peabody and even though I'm seeing a strong
signal the tuner did not see an HD carrier at all.

Brian Vita, President
Cinema Service & Supply, Inc.
77 Walnut St - Ste 4
Peabody, MA  01960-5691
 
Office:  (978)538-7575
Fax:     (978)538-7550


> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 PM
> To: Dan.Strassberg
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Re: WCAI on WGBH HD
> 
> 
> <<On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:45:51 -0400, "Dan.Strassberg" 
> <dan.strassberg@att.net> said:
> 
> > I was under the impression that in FM-band HD, the 
> aggregate bit rate 
> > of the main channel plus all ND-n channels was limited to 96 kbps.
> 
> Extended hybrid mode adds 12.5, 25, or 50 kbit/s of 
> additional capacity over standard hybrid mode.  Thus, a 
> station running full extended-hybrid could carry their main 
> service at 64 kbit/s, a second audio service at 48 kbit/s, 
> and a third audio service at 32 kbit/s, leaving 2 kbit/s for 
> PAD and other signalling.
> 
> > bandwidth. I find it hard to believe that a stereo HD stream at the 
> > same 48-kbps rate could have bandwidth any narrower than what I'm 
> > listening to. If it did, I think it would sound so bad that nobody 
> > would be likely to listen. But I suspect that it would be 
> quite a feat 
> > to squeeze the same audio bandwidth into a STEREO stream at half of 
> > the bit rate of the mono stream I am listening to.
> 
> None of these codecs implement lossless stereo.  The standard 
> technique (I don't think HE-AAC aka "HDC" actually does this) 
> is to compute a source-direction vector for each subband in 
> the encoder, and then quantize it down to just a few bits per 
> block of audio.
> 
> -GAWollman
> 
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 12:23:51 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:23:51 -0400
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
Message-ID: <4fc429770710050923h71546728g7762875024c2b222@mail.gmail.com>

When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
heard.

Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
last member of the show.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsco.html

From ssmyth@psualum.com  Fri Oct  5 12:58:30 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710050923h71546728g7762875024c2b222@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <933790.8091.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
> replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
> heard.
> 
> Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
> last member of the show.
> 
>
http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsco.html

The link to George's obituary.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=470679543816f969&ei=-WwGR4_5Jpisatef3PMB&url=http%3A//www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2007/10/02/george_bent_lawyer_host_of_sports_radio_talk_show&cid=0

When I first got into radio, George still was a high school sports
official who ran the clock at White Stadium in Boston. He was a character.




       
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From paul@derrynh.net  Fri Oct  5 14:59:15 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:59:15 -0400
Subject: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope
In-Reply-To: <933790.8091.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c80781$d5130bf0$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Am I correct in my memory that WBOS 92.9 did simulcast sportscope for at
least a short period of its lifetime...

(I use to listen to Sportscope AND Ken Mayer on WUNR Sunday nights with the
earpiece and transistor radio.....after all, it WAS past my bedtime....)

-Paul Hopfgarten
-Derry NH
(then of Randolph MA)



-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
Sean Smyth
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:59 PM
To: Kevin Vahey; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: Bob Ryan writes about WUNR's Sportscope

Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
> When Eddie Andleman's Sports Huddle moved from WUNR to WBZ it was
> replaced on WUNR by Sportscope which was a wonderful show that nobody
> heard.
> 
> Bob Ryan remembers the show and writes today upon the passing of the
> last member of the show.
> 
>
http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/bob_ryan_blog/2007/10/i_miss_sportsc
o.html

The link to George's obituary.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=470679543816f969&ei=-WwGR4
_5Jpisatef3PMB&url=http%3A//www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2007
/10/02/george_bent_lawyer_host_of_sports_radio_talk_show&cid=0

When I first got into radio, George still was a high school sports
official who ran the clock at White Stadium in Boston. He was a character.




       
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From markwats@comcast.net  Fri Oct  5 16:53:43 2007
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:53:43 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
Message-ID: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>

   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a promo that 
they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night New York Knicks & 
Rangers games. Could this have something to do with IBOC from WBZ and if KYW 
from Philly on 1060 (if they're running IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on 
Eastern Long Island? This is also to my knowledge the first time they've 
carried pro sports on a regular basis.

Mark Watson 



From hykker@wildblue.net  Fri Oct  5 22:01:43 2007
From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
Message-ID: <20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>

Mark Watson wrote:
>   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a 
> promo that they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night 
> New York Knicks & Rangers games. Could this have something to do 
> with IBOC from WBZ and if KYW from Philly on 1060 (if they're 
> running IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on Eastern Long Island? This 
> is also to my knowledge the first time they've carried pro sports 
> on a regular basis.


Or maybe the mid-charting oldies format with the 1965 retro audio 
isn't paying the bills like it once did?

Certainly the demo (50+) they're targeting isn't a big user of radio 
in the evenings...what better way than sports to attract a new audience? 


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Sun Oct  7 09:41:35 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:41:35 -0500
Subject: HowieCarr969.com
Message-ID: <20071007134135.7A36B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Boston Radio Watch http://www.bostonradiowatch.com revealed that Howie is working on a new
website, even though there still isn't a resolution to his radio situation

http://www.howiecarr969.com

The top of the page shows the "old" WTKK logo and the current WTKK lineup (without Howie)
followed by "Everyone's Favorite Howie Carr"--sans Sandy. Well, she is still employed by Entercom.
(Entercom feels that also applies to Howie).

The rest of the page is his Boston gangster stuff but that's a big problem: the page takes awhile
to fully load/scroll, even on broadband. Ever consider doing multiple pages, Howie, with links to
them? One loooooooong page makes it tough to download all the pics, scroll, etc.

Also of interest: A WHOIS search says that the domain is licensed to Howie Carr--
then gives the address as "20 Guest St. (in) Brighton". This despite all the 96.9 content on there!
Unless Entercom is making a deal to buy 96.9 from Greater Media.... :)

Am guessing HC doesn't want to reveal his Wellesley street address, but he does have a P.O. box
I think..unless the domain name registrar will not accept a P.O. box as an address...

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Sun Oct  7 14:47:03 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:47:03 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
	<20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>

Actually, WLNG continues to do very well.  It's always among the top 
two or three highest rated stations on the East End of the island and 
at last check was number one in billing.  The station is hyper-local, 
particularly in terms of news and sales.  If you want to know what's 
going on out there, WLNG is where you turn.  Like other stations in 
that area, they make the bulk of their money between Memorial Day and 
Labor Day during vacation/tourist season.  Running winter sports may be 
an additional revenue stream during their most dormant period.  That 
station is much, much more than the oldies.

I've noticed that since the sale of the other ABC stations to Citadel, 
ABC/New York has simulcasted selected sports on Radio Disney 1560, 
which has that monster 50K signal that blankets most of the Northeast.  
A bunch of the MLB playoff games have been on 1560, including the 
Rockies/Phillies game last night.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the 
Knicks and Rangers also wind up on the Mouse--at least some of the 
night games.  1560 can be heard very well on the East End, so it may be 
more of a revenue generator for Paul Sidney and WLNG rather than a 
coverage issue for ABC/New York.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:01 PM, SteveOrdinetz wrote:

> Mark Watson wrote:
>>   While listening to WLNG (92.1 Sag Harbor NY) on line I heard a 
>> promo that they are teaming up with ESPN 1050 to carry most night New 
>> York Knicks & Rangers games. Could this have something to do with 
>> IBOC from WBZ and if KYW from Philly on 1060 (if they're running 
>> IBOC) affecting 1050 reception on Eastern Long Island? This is also 
>> to my knowledge the first time they've carried pro sports on a 
>> regular basis.
>
>
> Or maybe the mid-charting oldies format with the 1965 retro audio 
> isn't paying the bills like it once did?
>
> Certainly the demo (50+) they're targeting isn't a big user of radio 
> in the evenings...what better way than sports to attract a new 
> audience?


From ssmyth@psualum.com  Sun Oct  7 14:59:46 2007
From: ssmyth@psualum.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <345281.50449.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

David Tomm <nostaticatall@charter.net> wrote:
> I've noticed that since the sale of the other ABC stations to
> Citadel, 
> ABC/New York has simulcasted selected sports on Radio Disney 1560, 
> which has that monster 50K signal that blankets most of the
> Northeast.  
> A bunch of the MLB playoff games have been on 1560, including the 
> Rockies/Phillies game last night.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the
> 
> Knicks and Rangers also wind up on the Mouse--at least some of the 
> night games.  1560 can be heard very well on the East End, so it may
> be 
> more of a revenue generator for Paul Sidney and WLNG rather than a 
> coverage issue for ABC/New York.

1560 has carried overflow sports programming from 1050 and 770
previously, so this is nothing new.




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From kvahey@gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 16:55:32 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:55:32 -0400
Subject: WLNG Carrying Most Night NY Knicks & Rangers Games
In-Reply-To: <237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
References: <002701c80791$d1f9f1d0$738d764c@Mark>
	<20071006020150.8265B564444@mail3.wildblue.net>
	<237aa03ea5d61ec052bb90ede0ee612a@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710071355i2cdd112bi6d76ea97c513a3c9@mail.gmail.com>

What is really odd is the Jets being on 1050 and 770 for all games.
The Jets complained that 1050 can no longer be heard at the stadium
and they are blaming WINS

From kc1ih@mac.com  Sun Oct  7 17:00:09 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:00:09 -0400
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD
In-Reply-To: <".132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net>
References: <4703EC7D.5020909@ttlc.net>
	<".132.185.240.124.1191512758.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <000001c80925$14587300$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>


-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
mike@miscon.net
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:46 AM
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: WCAI on WGBH HD

>Apparently, yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 10/3), listeners throughout
WGBH's 89.7 coverage area with HD radios could receive WCAI on WGBH's HD3
channel.

Which is the only means by which listeners in the Boston area can hear the
second hour of "Talk of the Nation".



From radiotony@comcast.net  Sun Oct  7 16:59:24 2007
From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:59:24 -0400
Subject: NAB's Radio Brand ID study ... 
Message-ID: <000f01c80924$f1594050$d40bc0f0$@net>

Anyone have any thoughts about it? Has anyone read it? Here is a link to it:


 

http://www.nhab.org/images/Radio_Brand_NAB.pdf

 

Best, 

Tony Schinella

Politizine.com

 


From rac@gabrielmass.com  Sun Oct  7 19:01:59 2007
From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:01:59 -0400
Subject: TV game hostess shows super stamina
Message-ID: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>

Anything can happen on live TV!   In this video clip, the hostess of a 
live game show in Sweden shows her mettle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmxaKf8ruBM

While speaking to a caller, she gets sick *on camera* but continues the 
show without a break, casually explaining the nature of her 
discomfiture.   Then toward the end of the clip, she has another bout of 
trouble, discreetly off-camera the second time.

Man!  They make their TV hosts tough in Sweden.

--RC

From me@billoneill.us  Sun Oct  7 19:22:23 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0400
Subject: TV game hostess shows super stamina
In-Reply-To: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>
References: <47096567.6060509@gabrielmass.com>
Message-ID: <47096A2F.9080809@billoneill.us>

Richard Chonak wrote:
> Anything can happen on live TV!   In this video clip, the hostess of a 
> live game show in Sweden shows her mettle.
>

File under: The show must go on.  Or, The Silliest Game Show, Period.

Bill O'Neill

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Wed Oct 10 08:12:16 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:12:16 -0400
Subject: Pandora.com
Message-ID: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>

Anyone else on this list experimented with the Pandora Web site? It
allows you to set up and "program" your own Internet radio stations
(as many as 100 per user). It's currently free, though there is a
$36/year option that--I guess--blocks the ads, which I have so far
found unobtrusive. To use either the free or paid services for more
than a few minutes, you must register, which requires supplying
Pandora with some demographic data, but not enough data to make me
worry. Whether Pandora will survive the Internet music-royalty wars
is, I think, unproven. But while it lasts, I'm finding it to be a lot
of fun and a source of some very nice listening.

According to the site, the software behind Pandora was created by
something called The Music Genome Project, which has categorized
probably tens of thousands of album cuts using a system that involves
rating each cut according to an (unspecified) large number of musical
attributes, none of which I've found either named or described on the
site. To set up a "station," you start by telling the software what
kinds of music you like. You do this by listing an artist or artists
and/or song titles. The software then says you like music similar to
what you've listed. The selected music can include many titles and
artists that you did not list but which the software considers to have
qualities similar to those of the titles and artists you did list. In
my case, many of the selected artists and titles are ones I had never
heard of (much less, heard) before I started playing with Pandora.
Each time Pandora presents a selection (even one you specifically
requested), it gives you the opportunity to tell it whether you liked
the selection, disliked it, or wish that your "station" would not play
it again for 30 days.

Pandora seems to like to create groups of four or five tracks from a
particular genre and then transition to a similar number of tracks
from a different genre that falls within the realm that it has decided
you like. However, your real-time "votes" can guide its selections
into different areas within your specified musical universe--or even
outside. After three or four days of listening and tweaking, I find
most of the music it selects for me to be quite pleasing.

Anyone who wants to hear what I like apparently can find out by
logging into Pandora and bringing up my "station," which I've named
"Mel Torme and Much More." BTW, I've not heard anything by Torme
himself for at least two days.

I've learned through sad experience that this music mix can never make
it on an over-the-air commercial station. Even though WJIB plays some
of the same selections, it probably would never play a mix like this
because it just wouldn't attract the number of listeners that Bob
Bittner reaches with the mix he has worked out.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 16:15:06 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:15:06 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
Message-ID: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>

It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they will start
an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.

Mark Ockerbloom and Maria Stephanos will anchor.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 10 16:29:15 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:29:15 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> 
> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they 
> will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.

No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.

BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
newscast will be in addition to the 10.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH
 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Oct 10 16:35:13 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:35:13 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c80b7d$10b58c10$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> 
> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they 
> will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.


No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.

BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
newscast will be in addition to the 10.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From m_carney@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 16:37:35 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976230.16709.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I heard the annoucement last night on the air. It took
a long time for them to get viewers used to 10p news -
I'm not sure this is going to work. Personally I like
having a sitcom option (right now "Seinfeld", in the
past it's been "The Simpsons") after an hour of news
that has a lot of filler/feature in the 2nd half. 

--- Kevin Vahey <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:

> It has been rumored for months but WFXT has
> announced they will start
> an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.
> 
> Mark Ockerbloom and Maria Stephanos will anchor.
> 



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From kenwvt@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 18:36:30 2007
From: kenwvt@gmail.com (Ken VanTassell)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:36:30 -0400
Subject: Pandora.com
In-Reply-To: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>
References: <000d01c80b36$d05bb630$b6eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <647737520710101536v157404b2l71e5597c74c3b2cf@mail.gmail.com>

I use Pandora quite often and find it very entertaining !

--Ken

On 10/10/07, Dan.Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> Anyone else on this list experimented with the Pandora Web site? It
> allows you to set up and "program" your own Internet radio stations
> (as many as 100 per user). It's currently free, though there is a
> $36/year option that--I guess--blocks the ads, which I have so far
> found unobtrusive. To use either the free or paid services for more
> than a few minutes, you must register, which requires supplying
> Pandora with some demographic data, but not enough data to make me
> worry. Whether Pandora will survive the Internet music-royalty wars
> is, I think, unproven. But while it lasts, I'm finding it to be a lot
> of fun and a source of some very nice listening.
>
> According to the site, the software behind Pandora was created by
> something called The Music Genome Project, which has categorized
> probably tens of thousands of album cuts using a system that involves
> rating each cut according to an (unspecified) large number of musical
> attributes, none of which I've found either named or described on the
> site. To set up a "station," you start by telling the software what
> kinds of music you like. You do this by listing an artist or artists
> and/or song titles. The software then says you like music similar to
> what you've listed. The selected music can include many titles and
> artists that you did not list but which the software considers to have
> qualities similar to those of the titles and artists you did list. In
> my case, many of the selected artists and titles are ones I had never
> heard of (much less, heard) before I started playing with Pandora.
> Each time Pandora presents a selection (even one you specifically
> requested), it gives you the opportunity to tell it whether you liked
> the selection, disliked it, or wish that your "station" would not play
> it again for 30 days.
>
> Pandora seems to like to create groups of four or five tracks from a
> particular genre and then transition to a similar number of tracks
> from a different genre that falls within the realm that it has decided
> you like. However, your real-time "votes" can guide its selections
> into different areas within your specified musical universe--or even
> outside. After three or four days of listening and tweaking, I find
> most of the music it selects for me to be quite pleasing.
>
> Anyone who wants to hear what I like apparently can find out by
> logging into Pandora and bringing up my "station," which I've named
> "Mel Torme and Much More." BTW, I've not heard anything by Torme
> himself for at least two days.
>
> I've learned through sad experience that this music mix can never make
> it on an over-the-air commercial station. Even though WJIB plays some
> of the same selections, it probably would never play a mix like this
> because it just wouldn't attract the number of listeners that Bob
> Bittner reaches with the mix he has worked out.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
> eFax 1-707-215-6367
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 20:43:06 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:43:06 -0400
Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
In-Reply-To: <000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>
References: <4fc429770710101315m77b32b48yf8769459af555fac@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01c80b7c$435a49e0$7f151bac@WHDHXP237>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710101743j7babc4ei8effcaa78d1207f4@mail.gmail.com>

Seinfeld has been on average getting more viewers than Ch. 4 at 11. So
they will lose those viewers who are looking for something other than
news. I can not see this working.

On 10/10/07, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org
> > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org]
> >  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:15 PM
> > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
> > Subject: Channel 25 makes the move to 11 PM
> >
> > It has been rumored for months but WFXT has announced they
> > will start an 11 PM newscast starting November 5th.
>
> No rumor about it.  There's an article in today's Boston Globe.
>
> BTW, there's no move involved.  The 10 PM newscast will remain, the 11 PM
> newscast will be in addition to the 10.
>
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>
>
>

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 10:57:29 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:57:29 -0400
Subject: T Radio
Message-ID: <4fc429770710110757y5c14a078p51436dd244a78528@mail.gmail.com>

I was at North Station this morning and was forced to sample the
latest brainstorm from our subway system  T RADIO


Turns out it is being run by Rich Balsbaugh and Ed McMann

What was the first song I heard?  Well it was done by the Kingston Trio

http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=13647&month=&year=

From wayne@vacationdreams.org  Thu Oct 11 16:19:16 2007
From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:19:16 -0400
Subject: T Radio
Message-ID: <470e8544.31b.1c21.944393148@vacationdreams.org>

That is TOO funny....

one of my favorites tunes, and favorite musical groups...

Ahhh.... the good ole days...



----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: T Radio
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:57:29 -0400

>I was at North Station this morning and was forced to
>sample the latest brainstorm from our subway system  T
>RADIO
>
>
>Turns out it is being run by Rich Balsbaugh and Ed McMann
>
>What was the first song I heard?  Well it was done by the
>Kingston Trio
>
>http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=13647&month=&year=

______________________________________________

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jah-ooz


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Mon Oct 15 10:52:43 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:52:43 -0500
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
Message-ID: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Unbelievable. No Howie on the air at WRKO but you can have him on your computer by going to
http://www.wrko.com and clicking on Virtual Howie. It plays sound clips of Howie talking. Click on each one to hear it
when you get there. (Today some kind of legal meeting between the parties is due to take place.)

Take it away mumbles
Is this fair?
Whitey Bulger
Ted Kennedy (the Howie ?sock puppet? has a puppet of his own, Ted K with two jugs of booze)
I Didn?t Come Here To Be Made Sport Of
etc.

For a station that may lose Howie soon (but who knows with all this legal stuff) it?s puzzling. How
long have they been working on this? Again go to WRKO site and it?s right up top.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Oct 15 11:11:42 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:11:42 -0400
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
References: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>

I heard a commercial voiced by Howie on WRKO within the past week. 
Presumably the advertiser hasn't pulled it so WRKO had to run it. But 
I'd wager that nobody at Entercom was inclined to go to the advertiser 
and ask whether they wanted new talent to voice their spot. Doing so 
would only have reminded the advertiser of Howie's absence and given 
the advertiser a reason to cancel the rest of the contract. Moreover, 
isn't Entercom's official position still that Howie will be back at 
Guest St in the not-so-distant future?

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie


Unbelievable. No Howie on the air at WRKO but you can have him on your 
computer by going to
http://www.wrko.com and clicking on Virtual Howie. It plays sound 
clips of Howie talking. Click on each one to hear it
when you get there. (Today some kind of legal meeting between the 
parties is due to take place.)

Take it away mumbles
Is this fair?
Whitey Bulger
Ted Kennedy (the Howie "sock puppet" has a puppet of his own, Ted K 
with two jugs of booze)
I Didn't Come Here To Be Made Sport Of
etc.

For a station that may lose Howie soon (but who knows with all this 
legal stuff) it's puzzling. How
long have they been working on this? Again go to WRKO site and it's 
right up top. 


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 14:39:09 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:39:09 -0400
Subject: WRKO site has Virtual Howie
In-Reply-To: <002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071015145243.4A7B483985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<002701c80f3d$b86975c0$80eda644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710151139q6c3fd2a2v1ca59f633ff1b29@mail.gmail.com>

There is scheduled to be a hearing today with Carr hoping the judge reconsiders
the ruling on "right to match".

Dan wrote:

>Doing so
> would only have reminded the advertiser of Howie's absence and given
> the advertiser a reason to cancel the rest of the contract. Moreover,
> isn't Entercom's official position still that Howie will be back at
> Guest St in the not-so-distant future?

They have said many times that they feel he is in their employ till
9/30/2012. But he
"benched himself". (Ads for Carr's show still run in the Boston Herald
on Mondays
and Thursdays, but that may be a trade between the Herald and WRKO. The Herald
also runs ads for Dennis and Callahan, and did so even during the "lockout";
meanwhile, WRKO's site runs news headlines from the Herald which might be
part of that ad trade.

From MauOB@aol.com  Mon Oct 15 21:26:48 2007
From: MauOB@aol.com (MauOB@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:26:48 EDT
Subject: Pandora.com
Message-ID: <c33.19920f63.34456d58@aol.com>

Thanks for mentioning Pandora!  I LOVE it!
 
Maureen



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From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 16 03:35:44 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:35:44 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
Message-ID: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

Howie Carr and his lawyers were in Suffolk Superior Court yesterday along with Entercom's
lawyers, as Howie tried to get the judge to reconsider his ruling in the "right to
match" case. According to this Herald article...

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1038339

...a ruling could come soon. The Herald's Jessica Heslam said that Howie's attorney
(Bret Cohen of Mintz Levin) referenced a case involving boxer Rocky Marciano.
"Cohen said Carr?s contract with WRKO ended last month and that the law says 'you cannot have a contract
to agree to a contract in the future"; meanwhile
Entercom's attorney Shep Davidson used a case involving a Celtics player to claim
that Entercom has the rights to Howie until 2012. Also he said that since
there was a never a "gap in employment", Entercom still had a right to match.


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 04:18:46 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:18:46 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>

The Globe's take on it. It quotes the judge as saying that he believes
WRKO's contract is still valid.

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/10/16/decision_on_carrs_future_may_come_today/

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 10:22:34 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:22:34 -0400
Subject: Only Boston program I know of that was heard nationally
Message-ID: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

Cedric Foster News and Commentary originated at the studios of WNAC in
Boston and was fed to the Yankee Network in New England and Mutual
nationally during and probably immediately after World War II. It was
a 15-minute program that, IIRC, aired M-F at 1:00PM Eastern time. To
this day, it probably holds the honors as the dullest regularly
broadcast 15-minute program in the history of network radio. Foster
presumably was the scion of an old-line Yankee family and, as I
recall, his views were accordingly conservtive. He had a pretty awful
(rather high-pitched) speaking voice, spoke in a monotone, and always
sounded as if he had a mouth full of marbles (dentures maybe?).

Donna: If you have any biographical notes on Foster, they might be
interesting.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:09:36 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:09:36 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>

Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.

Then what does he do?

From me@billoneill.us  Tue Oct 16 11:23:04 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:23:04 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4714D758.6070804@billoneill.us>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
>
> Then what does he do?
>   

Anyone have a Member's Only jacket, name tag and a ticket to Wonderland 
to spare?

Bill O'Neill

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:28:23 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:28:23 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
Message-ID: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a higher court (where?),
sit out radio altogether, go to WTKK and risk some kind of lawsuit from Entercom...But does
this mean that if he's indeed staying with WRKO he would get the same kind of performance
incentives WTKK was offering? Was that part of "matching the offer"?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/16/judge-blocks-carr-from-wtkk/


http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html




From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 12:04:50 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:04:50 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
avarice (and stupidity). It says nothing good about the people in this
area that he has been so popular. As the rabbi in Fiddler on the Roof
said about the Russian czar, "May G-d bless and keep the czar--far
away from us!"

It would be great to learn that the closest to Boston Carr could work
on the radio was, say, Manchester NH, or Portland ME, or Burlington
VT.

Alas, I don't expect to be so fortunate; the rabbi's prayers were not
answered and I doubt that mine will be either.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com>
To: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>; "BostonRadio Mailing List"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a
higher court (where?),
sit out radio altogether, go to WTKK and risk some kind of lawsuit
from Entercom...But does
this mean that if he's indeed staying with WRKO he would get the same
kind of performance
incentives WTKK was offering? Was that part of "matching the offer"?

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/news/messenger/index.php/2007/10/16/judge-blocks-carr-from-wtkk/


http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html




From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 12:21:58 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
Message-ID: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>

Howie loses the case bigtime

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html

"Carr is not, as he argues in his brief, 'in essence [subject to] a
lifetime employment agreement' with Entercom," the Judge wrote. "And
wherever he legally finds himself, it is of his own conscious doing.
He has not, as he publicly claims, been placed into some form of
high-paid indentured servitude by this Court."

This is going to get good

From mike@miscon.net  Tue Oct 16 12:16:51 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:16:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <.132.185.144.120.1192551411.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>



> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not 
> legally work in Boston radio until 2012...

Could Carr be
"networked" into Boston? (Even if the "network" is
comprised of a station in Cowpie, Iowa and Boston?!)

Mike

From dlh@donnahalper.com  Tue Oct 16 12:23:04 2007
From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:23:04 -0400
Subject: Only Boston program I know of that was heard nationally
In-Reply-To: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
References: <000701c81001$b3810d10$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <20071016162402.C390E4505F2@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com>

At 10:22 AM 10/16/2007, Dan.Strassberg wrote:
>Cedric Foster News and Commentary originated at the studios of WNAC in
>Boston and was fed to the Yankee Network in New England and Mutual
>nationally during and probably immediately after World War II. It was
>a 15-minute program that, IIRC, aired M-F at 1:00PM Eastern time. To
>this day, it probably holds the honors as the dullest regularly
>broadcast 15-minute program in the history of network radio. Foster
>presumably was the scion of an old-line Yankee family and, as I
>recall, his views were accordingly conservtive. He had a pretty awful
>(rather high-pitched) speaking voice, spoke in a monotone, and always
>sounded as if he had a mouth full of marbles (dentures maybe?).

Yes, I do have biographical info on Cedric Foster.  Dan is right 
about his ancestry-- on his mother's side (Cooke), they came over on 
the Mayflower, and his father had an equally prestigeous lineage.  He 
liked to tell people that he was a member of the Mayflower Society 
(oh boy). He and his wife also lived on Beacon Hill in one of those 
rare and very expensive homes... but after his kids were grown, he 
moved to Washington DC.  Yes it's true that Cedric was on the Yankee 
network, but like many in radio news back then, he started in print 
journalism. In October 1940, he joined Mutual as a commentator.  He 
became a war correspondent and covered WW2 from various battle 
zones.  He had quite a long and distinguished career-- he was still 
on the air in the early 1960s in fact.  In his heyday, he was heard 
on about 500 stations.  


From chuckigo@maine.rr.com  Tue Oct 16 13:00:00 2007
From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:00:00 -0400
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
References: <4fc429770710160921p60c3461aqeded8b51ef199538@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO


> Howie loses the case bigtime
>
> http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/10/judge_rules_aga_2.html
>
> "Carr is not, as he argues in his brief, 'in essence [subject to] a
> lifetime employment agreement' with Entercom," the Judge wrote. "And
> wherever he legally finds himself, it is of his own conscious doing.
> He has not, as he publicly claims, been placed into some form of
> high-paid indentured servitude by this Court."
>
> This is going to get good

unlike a non-compete, this type of "right to match/first refusal" does 
indeed equate a potential lifetime of indentured servitude.  granted, very 
well paid indentured servitude, but an uncomfortable working situation for a 
professional, none the less.

if the employee does not WISH or DESIRE to remain employed by an employer, 
regardless of a "right to match" clause, when the  contract ends after a 
productive, professional term of employment, the relationship is over.  i 
wonder if the "judge for life" who has ruled on this case would be as 
willing to rule as such if the life-time bench tenure came with a 
right-to-match.  an offer to practice law in the "dreaded private sector" 
most often comes with a fairly nice compensation package, and by the time a 
judge has determined to test the open-market waters, he/she is most likely 
pretty burned out by sitting on the bench, day in, day out, and are very 
ready for a change of scenery.  but there would nothing stopping a state, 
county or municipality from keeping someone on, just to let them know "that 
they can."  (not unlike the crude "why does a dog....?")

and again, i'd wonder if Entercom is ready to not only give Howie the money, 
but the airshift - mornings, too.  unless the tendered offer from Greater 
Media stipulates the generic "as needed by the company," which i would 
highly doubt it does, then WRKO's new morning guy would be H.L.C.

i would like to see this make its way through the upper levels of the 
courts.  the right-to-match is basically far more restrictive, at this 
point, than any non-compete.  then again, not every company is as apparently 
short-sighted and vindictive as the one in question.  and to be honest, 
vindictive is the only word to use for a company that would spend an 
extremely large sum of money to keep a very unhappy employee "in the nest."

- -Chuck Igo 


From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 13:10:24 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:10:24 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>


> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
> legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
> avarice (and stupidity).

Stupidity?  Like any wise person, he sought out some very good legal advice 
from the gang at Mintz Levin (Not too shabby...).

And for most of us laymen...we do what the lawyers tell us.

However, in the end, we are reminded that all lawyers give us is their 
"read" or "opinion".

No one really knows the answer until it gets before a judge.

I, too, am surprised that the judges don't find the "right of first refusal" 
to be just another instrument to effect a "non-compete"...which we now know 
is illegal.



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 16 15:07:38 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:38 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4714C5AA.2420.284B5E@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 Bob Nelson wrote:

> No idea what Howie can do; he could return to WRKO, try to appeal to a
> higher court (where?), 

The Massachusetts Appeals Court.  And from there, if necessary, to 
the Supreme Judicial Court.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From Joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Oct 16 15:07:38 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:38 -0500
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 16 Oct 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote:

> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
> 
> Then what does he do?

Appeal.

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street, Suite 700            Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109-2004           http://www.attorneyross.com



From m_carney@yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 14:44:24 2007
From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Howie belongs to WRKO
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c81015$fe1d4d70$0201a8c0@Family>
Message-ID: <918055.96811.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- Chuck Igo <chuckigo@maine.rr.com> wrote:
then again, not every
> company is as apparently 
> short-sighted and vindictive as the one in question.
>  and to be honest, 
> vindictive is the only word to use for a company
> that would spend an 
> extremely large sum of money to keep a very unhappy
> employee "in the nest."
> 
This gets me wondering - is Greater Media planning
something else? I really think the end may not be
Howie on WTTK. It may be flipping WBOS to sports and
shooting at WEEI as well. I really think that the Red
Sox would be willing to partner on the deal (which is
the only way this would work). I don't think they're
happy with the WRKO/WEEI split, or with any critical
remarks on WEEI. Larry Lucchino really wants Glen
Geffner on the air, and Entercom really didn't want
him at all. The talk about the Sox buying BOS came at
a bad time for everyone last year (GM with purchasing
102.5 and selling 99.5, the Sox putting out $100m or
so on Dice-K) but it may work out for both sides now.
The Sox may be able to use NESN and Globe people to
staff the station, and a year from now make a play for
Glenn Ordway. I don't have any inside knowledge, but
again WBOS is in PD search mode. If they're going to
make a move now's the time, instead of bringing
someone in with great plans for a music station then
blowing it up on him/her. I'm also not sure how much
it would take for the Sox to break the Entercom
contract - 9 more years to go!


       
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From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Tue Oct 16 14:46:23 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:46:23 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
In-Reply-To: <4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20071016073544.D918183BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<1fbbbced0710160118y5b8904bcu81e27b47781847ad@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4fc429770710160809j2408ae89g86c1b256bec53a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4714C5AA.9807.284C68@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <471506FF.30705@ttlc.net>

A. Joseph Ross wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>   
>> Reading the Globe story it looks bad for Howie.
>>
>> Then what does he do?
>>     
>
> Appeal.
>   
Or call Neil Chayette.


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 14:47:21 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:47:21 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
	<00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

As I understand it, had he not signed the contract with Greater Media
until his contract with Entercom had expired (last month), he would be
off the hook, and Entercom, having failed to get him to re-sign with
them (they allegedly made no more to do so), would have been
completely out of luck. Not waiting a few weeks to sign the contract
with GM sure sounds like gross stupidity to me. If the story as I
heard it is correct and Mintz Levin nevertheless really OKed his
signing the Greater Media contract when he signed it, I would say that
Howie has a great case against his own attorneys--assuming that he can
find a lawyer who will take such a case.

One thing you can count on, though, is that Carr, being a radio
personality, has the overwhelming weight of public opinion on his
side, not that that necessarily gets him anything in court. Then there
are those of us who regard him as the lowest of the low and a general
scourge upon society--but we are in a small minority, I'm sure.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
To: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>; "Bob Nelson"
<raccoonradio@mail.com>; "BRI"
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


>
>> It would be absolutely wonderful to find out that Carr could not
>> legally work in Boston radio until 2012--and all because of his own
>> avarice (and stupidity).
>
> Stupidity?  Like any wise person, he sought out some very good legal
> advice from the gang at Mintz Levin (Not too shabby...).
>
> And for most of us laymen...we do what the lawyers tell us.
>
> However, in the end, we are reminded that all lawyers give us is
> their "read" or "opinion".
>
> No one really knows the answer until it gets before a judge.
>
> I, too, am surprised that the judges don't find the "right of first
> refusal" to be just another instrument to effect a
> "non-compete"...which we now know is illegal.
>
>


From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Oct 16 14:54:47 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:54:47 -0400
Subject: Carr, Entercom make their cases
References: <20071016152823.7770583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com><003301c8100e$49f6d980$92efa644@SatU205S5044><00e301c81017$9e247220$6401a8c0@DESKTOP2>
	<000001c81025$187feb50$92efa644@SatU205S5044>
Message-ID: <000e01c81026$07cff510$92efa644@SatU205S5044>

That should read "they allegedly made no MOVE to do so"--a typo and
nothing but a typo.

-----
Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net)
eFax 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan.Strassberg" <dan.strassberg@att.net>
To: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>;
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Carr, Entercom make their cases


> As I understand it, had he not signed the contract with Greater
> Media
> until his contract with Entercom had expired (last month), he would
> be
> off the hook, and Entercom, having failed to get him to re-sign with
> them (they allegedly made no more to do so), would have been
> completely out of luck. Not waiting a few weeks to sign the contract
> with GM sure sounds like gross stupidity to me. If the story as I
> heard it is correct and Mintz Levin nevertheless really OKed his
> signing the Greater Media contract when he signed it, I would say
> that
> Howie has a great case against his own attorneys--assuming that he
> can
> find a lawyer who will take such a case.
>
> One thing you can count on, though, is that Carr, being a radio
> personality, has the overwhelming weight of public opinion on his
> side, not that that necessarily gets him anything in court. Then
> there
> are those of us who regard him as the lowest of the low and a
> general
> scourge upon society--but we are in a small minority, I'm sure.
>
> -----
> Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.n