From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:30:37 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:30:37 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
Message-ID: <4fc429770707031130qfbcb0cdqab7a6d91773ed450@mail.gmail.com>

For the life of me I can not understand how WEEI-FM Westerly.RI has
the signal it does. This morning I picked it up in New Haven and never
lost it all the way to West Yarmouth on the Cape.

Can anybody explain why the signal is that good?

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:43:31 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:43:31 -0500
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
Message-ID: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

>>Can anybody explain why the signal is that good?

Location, location, location! Flat land...?
Coverage map:
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WEEI&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

Radio-locator lists it at 37kW, 567ft Height Above Average Terrain,
non directional, and 827 ft above sea level etc. It just happens to be
within good proximity of Providence, southeast MA, eastern CT, 
the area south of Boston, Worcester...the map shows the fringe
area comes close to Springfield, even. And eastern tip of Long Island.

The map on Radio-locator shows it's actually a bit further
northeast of Westerly than I thought.



From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jul  3 14:56:05 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:56:05 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <18058.39877.334534.177187@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:43:31 -0500, "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@mail.com> said:

> The map on Radio-locator shows it's actually a bit further
> northeast of Westerly than I thought.

The current WEEI-FM is on the same tower as WSKO-FM (99.7
Wakefield-Peace Dale).  It used to be much closer to Westerly, but was
upgraded a few owners ago to put more of its signal over land.

Yes, this means that the Red Sox and Yankees affiliates for Providence
are both transmitting from the same tower.

-GAWollman


From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 15:00:44 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:00:44 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>

I think I was most surprised that the signal was still solid on the
Cape. It was a big gamble by Entercom to buy that signal from the
Phoenix but it has paid off bigtime.

I am not sure how well WVEI-FM Easthampton is doing.




On 7/3/07, Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> >>Can anybody explain why the signal is that good?
>
> Location, location, location! Flat land...?
> Coverage map:
> http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WEEI&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

From wollman@bimajority.org  Tue Jul  3 15:06:53 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:06:53 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:00:44 -0400, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com> said:

> I am not sure how well WVEI-FM Easthampton is doing.

Still operating under Program Test Authority last I heard.  (I saw the
antenna for the first time on Saturday.)

-GAWollman


From pete@partnercomm.com  Tue Jul  3 15:08:37 2007
From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:08:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707031130qfbcb0cdqab7a6d91773ed450@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0707031448490.18917-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>

Sounds like a combination of factors - a good car radio (decent combo of
selectivity and sensitivity), and you're driving across the diameter of
its (approximately) 40dBu coverage.

103.7B in Westerley doesn't have anything too close-spaced to it. As you
travel east from New Haven, you'll receive some adjacent-channel signal
from two separate 103.9 class A signals (WFAS, Bronxville NY / WRCN,
Riverhead NY), and some from class B 103.5 (WKTU, NYC). As you continue
east past Sagamore and Otis AFB, you'll start to receive more
adjacent-channel signal from WKPE (103.9, South Yarmouth). Co-channel WKNE 
is over 107 miles away, and terrain does a great deal to block its signal 
from having much strength by Springfield or anywhere south of Worcester.

Philip Urso picked a good spot for it, back in the days of WWRX.

-Peter

--
Peter Murray (N3IXY)
Oak Hill, VA

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> For the life of me I can not understand how WEEI-FM Westerly.RI has
> the signal it does. This morning I picked it up in New Haven and never
> lost it all the way to West Yarmouth on the Cape.
> 
> Can anybody explain why the signal is that good?
> 


From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Jul  3 15:39:09 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:39:09 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0707031448490.18917-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0707031448490.18917-100000@eminence.partnercomm.com>
Message-ID: <1c38ab5ba18994194281d3437a1ee7d5@charter.net>

Plus, don't forget about WPKQ on Mount Washington but again, little of 
that travels south to interfere with WEEI-FM.  In fact, the next time 
you drive south out of the White Mountains, put your radio on 103.7.  
Depending on reception conditions, elevation changes and bends in the 
road, WKNE, WPKQ and WEEI-FM will blow in and out as you drive.  Kind 
of neat, actually.

Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"

On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Peter Murray wrote:

> Sounds like a combination of factors - a good car radio (decent combo 
> of
> selectivity and sensitivity), and you're driving across the diameter of
> its (approximately) 40dBu coverage.
>
> 103.7B in Westerley doesn't have anything too close-spaced to it. As 
> you
> travel east from New Haven, you'll receive some adjacent-channel signal
> from two separate 103.9 class A signals (WFAS, Bronxville NY / WRCN,
> Riverhead NY), and some from class B 103.5 (WKTU, NYC). As you continue
> east past Sagamore and Otis AFB, you'll start to receive more
> adjacent-channel signal from WKPE (103.9, South Yarmouth). Co-channel 
> WKNE
> is over 107 miles away, and terrain does a great deal to block its 
> signal
> from having much strength by Springfield or anywhere south of 
> Worcester.
>
> Philip Urso picked a good spot for it, back in the days of WWRX.
>
> -Peter
>
> --
> Peter Murray (N3IXY)
> Oak Hill, VA
>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>> For the life of me I can not understand how WEEI-FM Westerly.RI has
>> the signal it does. This morning I picked it up in New Haven and never
>> lost it all the way to West Yarmouth on the Cape.
>>
>> Can anybody explain why the signal is that good?
>>
>


From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Jul  3 15:39:50 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:39:50 -0500
Subject: What City Is This?
Message-ID: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

WTTT-AM 1150's website:

http://www.talk1150.com

...displays the skyline of a city somewhere that is defintely NOT
Boston.  Isn't it wonderful to have so much absentee ownership that
when one of them designs the website of their listener-challenged outlet they
can't even bother to find a picture of the City of License?
Does anybody know what city this actually is?

-- 
We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com!
Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains



From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Jul  3 16:11:07 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:11:07 -0500
Subject: What City Is This?
Message-ID: <20070703201108.B7D4083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

I thought there's an outside chance it could be Cleveland. One pyramid-shaped building could be
Rock n Roll hall of Fame and another could be Terminal Tower...I could be way off though.



From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 16:42:08 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:42:08 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <20070703201108.B7D4083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070703201108.B7D4083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707031342k3536c140h1b407896aaef6a56@mail.gmail.com>

Baltimore

http://www.citiscapes-art.com/cities2/baltimore/54979pi.jpg

From radiotest@cox.net  Tue Jul  3 18:01:28 2007
From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:01:28 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>

At 03:39 PM 7/3/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote:

>WTTT-AM 1150's website:
>
>http://www.talk1150.com
>
>...displays the skyline of a city somewhere that is defintely NOT
>Boston.  Isn't it wonderful to have so much absentee ownership that
>when one of them designs the website of their listener-challenged outlet they
>can't even bother to find a picture of the City of License?
>Does anybody know what city this actually is?

It is Baltimore:

http://www.usatourist.com/english/places/maryland/baltimore.html

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, 
Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml 


From mike@miscon.net  Tue Jul  3 19:03:02 2007
From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:03:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>
References: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <.24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>



All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes

>
At 03:39 PM 7/3/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote:
> 
>>WTTT-AM 1150's website:
>>
>>http://www.talk1150.com
>>
>>...displays
the skyline of a city somewhere that is defintely NOT
>>Boston.
 Isn't it wonderful to have so much absentee ownership that
>>when one of them designs the website of their
listener-challenged outlet
>> they
>>can't even
bother to find a picture of the City of License?
>>Does anybody
know what city this actually is?
> 
> It is Baltimore:
> 
>
http://www.usatourist.com/english/places/maryland/baltimore.html
>

> Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting,
> Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
>
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml
> 
>




From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul  3 20:21:23 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:21:23 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <.24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
References: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>	<7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>
	<.24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <468AE803.3070603@fybush.com>

mike@miscon.net wrote:
> 
> All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes

OK. Who from Salem reads this mailing list? :-)

s

From madprof@ix.netcom.com  Tue Jul  3 19:57:00 2007
From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:57:00 -0400
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri  (deformatted)
Message-ID: <380-220077232357062@ix.netcom.com>

Originally the tiny Wickford station; 
in 1985, 500w d   41:33:57, 71:27:19.
Sometime tower crashed, then they ran a long wire held up by a balloon;
250w d, 130w n   41:34:00,71:27:08.
Then silent. (pre 1994) 
2003 FCC data base listed as license cancelled.
 
now, as I'm updating my RI maps, I find FCC data base lists:
WKFD, cp to Charlestown, RI (mainland south coast)  41:22:38,71:39:50,  
directional, 3 in-line towers, primary lobe 140 degrees
2.5k day (with large (~1/3) lobe opposite (320 deg))
5k night  (~cardioid, with minor lobe opposite)
 
The patterns only seriously cover Block Island, daytime into Westerly, 
with some signal to Norwich CT, maybe Storrs & Putnam.
Nighttime also some to Westerly, Wakefield-Peacedale, maybe Newport.
 
Wondering if anyone has knowledge?  
Apparently the WKFD call was not otherwise reserved?
Is ASTRO TELE-COMMUNICATIONS CORP intending Block Island & 
the rest of coverage is by chance?   Do they own any other stations? 
 
thanks.
Bob Sutherlan


From scott@fybush.com  Tue Jul  3 20:54:11 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:54:11 -0400
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri  (deformatted)
In-Reply-To: <380-220077232357062@ix.netcom.com>
References: <380-220077232357062@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <468AEFB3.7080902@fybush.com>

Robert F. Sutherland wrote:

> Wondering if anyone has knowledge?  
> Apparently the WKFD call was not otherwise reserved?
> Is ASTRO TELE-COMMUNICATIONS CORP intending Block Island & 
> the rest of coverage is by chance?   Do they own any other stations? 

The new WKFD has no connection to the old WKFD, which ended under 
slightly shady circumstances. Before the license was deleted completely, 
the old WKFD operated for a brief time (circa 1994) from a different 
transmitter site inland a bit from the old tower site. This was 
apparently an unauthorized change of transmitter site, of control and 
even of call, since the station was calling itself "WEGM" for a while. 
(I have pictures and tape of it.)

The new 1370 was applied for during the last window for major AM changes 
and new AM stations. Under current rules, you can't apply for a new 
daytimer, as the old WKFD was, and any new station has to provide 
considerably greater protection to other occupants of the channel 
(primarily, in this case, WFEA, WALK and WNRI, but also WLYN, WDRC, 
WINY, WNBH, WPLM and WHTB) than the old WKFD's grandfathered signal did.

Astro bought the CP from the original applicant, who simply shoehorned 
in a 1370 signal in about the only place that it would fit - right on 
the coast, aimed out at sea. Astro owns WADK 1540 in Newport and WJZS 
99.3 on Block Island, so this 1370 is at least somewhat complementary to 
those signals, notwithstanding the lack of a night signal over Aquidneck 
Island.

It's not at all clear to me how anyone would make money on this signal 
(well, except by applying for the CP and then selling it, unbuilt, that is.)

And yes, the WKFD calls were simply unassigned and available when Astro 
bought the CP.

s

From radiotest@cox.net  Tue Jul  3 23:02:05 2007
From: radiotest@cox.net (Dale H. Cook)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:02:05 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <3c6f0dce0707031636s7f99c872mea2d92dcb94723c3@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>
	<.24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
	<3c6f0dce0707031636s7f99c872mea2d92dcb94723c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070703225957.03883c08@cox.net>

At 07:36 PM 7/3/2007, Keith Lavon wrote:

>Looks like the saw this thread and changed it already. It was not 
>Boston before.

I suspect that the Stars and Stripes are up there for the holiday.

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting, 
Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml 


From kc1ih@mac.com  Wed Jul  4 00:16:49 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:16:49 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <468AE803.3070603@fybush.com>
References: <20070703193950.68BB116427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070703180042.03818ea0@cox.net>
	<".24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net>
	<468AE803.3070603@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c2b0cf902ef3@[192.168.0.100]>

At 8:21 PM -0400 7/3/07, Scott Fybush wrote:
>mike@miscon.net wrote:
>>
>>All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes
>
>OK. Who from Salem reads this mailing list? :-)

Which Salem?

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone (Salem), NH

From joe@attorneyross.com  Wed Jul  4 14:14:49 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:14:49 -0500
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>,
	<18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <468B9D49.5848.476855@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 3 Jul 2007 at 15:06, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> <<On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:00:44 -0400, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> said:
> 
> > I am not sure how well WVEI-FM Easthampton is doing.
> 
> Still operating under Program Test Authority last I heard.  (I saw the
> antenna for the first time on Saturday.)

WHMP in Northampton was still broadcasting Red Sox games when I was 
out there in mid-May.  But its satellite station in Springfield was 
not. 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street	                                  Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Jul  4 15:28:16 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:28:16 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>,
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>,
	<18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<468B9D49.5848.476855@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7be71$796e92a0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

I thought WHMP in Northampton and WHAI in Greenfield exchanged call letters
. . . or am I wrong?

-Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: WEEI 103.7 signal


> On 3 Jul 2007 at 15:06, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
> > <<On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:00:44 -0400, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
> > said:
> >
> > > I am not sure how well WVEI-FM Easthampton is doing.
> >
> > Still operating under Program Test Authority last I heard.  (I saw the
> > antenna for the first time on Saturday.)
>
> WHMP in Northampton was still broadcasting Red Sox games when I was
> out there in mid-May.  But its satellite station in Springfield was
> not.
>
> -- 
> A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
>  92 State Street                                   Fax 617.507.7856
> Boston, MA 02109                    http://www.attorneyross.com
>
>


From raccoonradio@gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 16:44:19 2007
From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:44:19 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <001d01c7be71$796e92a0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>
	<18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<468B9D49.5848.476855@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<001d01c7be71$796e92a0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <1fbbbced0707041344k7cc9c8favc88d77eab354662a@mail.gmail.com>

I believe 1400 is Northampton is WHMP; the 1600 in E. Longmeadow is WHNP,
and the 1240 in Greenfield is WHMQ.

From revdoug1@verizon.net  Wed Jul  4 17:58:23 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:58:23 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>
	<18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<468B9D49.5848.476855@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<001d01c7be71$796e92a0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
	<1fbbbced0707041344k7cc9c8favc88d77eab354662a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c7be86$71995dc0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

 . . . So . . . the WHAI calls no longer exist in the Valley?

-Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Nelson" <raccoonradio@gmail.com>
To: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
Cc: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>; "Garrett Wollman"
<wollman@bimajority.org>; <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: WEEI 103.7 signal


> I believe 1400 is Northampton is WHMP; the 1600 in E. Longmeadow is WHNP,
> and the 1240 in Greenfield is WHMQ.


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 18:32:05 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:32:05 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <005b01c7be86$71995dc0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <000901c7be8b$270fd8b0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

>  . . . So . . . the WHAI calls no longer exist in the Valley?

They're still on 98.3.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From paul@derrynh.net  Wed Jul  4 19:12:23 2007
From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:12:23 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <.24.60.119.12.1183503782.squirrel@mail.miscon.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c7be90$c875f450$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036>

Apparently Salem Radio Networks DOES monitor this list....or did someone
e-mail them.

(The Baltimore Skyline was up there as recently as yesterday 7/3)

Paul Hopfgarten
Derry NH

-----Original Message-----
From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org
[mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of
mike@miscon.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:03 PM
To: Dale H. Cook
Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
Subject: Re: What City Is This?



All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes

>
At 03:39 PM 7/3/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote:
> 
>>WTTT-AM 1150's website:
>>
>>http://www.talk1150.com
>>
>>...displays
the skyline of a city somewhere that is defintely NOT
>>Boston.
 Isn't it wonderful to have so much absentee ownership that
>>when one of them designs the website of their
listener-challenged outlet
>> they
>>can't even
bother to find a picture of the City of License?
>>Does anybody
know what city this actually is?
> 
> It is Baltimore:
> 
>
http://www.usatourist.com/english/places/maryland/baltimore.html
>

> Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, Centennial Broadcasting,
> Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA - WZZI / WZZU / WLNI / WLEQ
>
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml
> 
>




From kvahey@gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 18:00:04 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:00:04 -0400
Subject: WEEI 103.7 signal
In-Reply-To: <005b01c7be86$71995dc0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
References: <20070703184332.1022A49B6A8@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<4fc429770707031200i3e982567i4db871fe4bcf5e74@mail.gmail.com>
	<18058.40525.131937.139416@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
	<468B9D49.5848.476855@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<001d01c7be71$796e92a0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
	<1fbbbced0707041344k7cc9c8favc88d77eab354662a@mail.gmail.com>
	<005b01c7be86$71995dc0$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707041500t30c363e9ke9a79dc713f60a43@mail.gmail.com>

There is still WHAI FM in Greenfield

From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 10:49:56 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:49:56 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
Message-ID: <004f01c7bf13$d5ee0c20$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2>

Did anyone else catch WBZ Radio's coverage of thye Esplanade concert?

I thought Jordan Rich did a good job being his amiable self.

Although the music quality left a lot to be desired.  I don't know if it was 
compressed to crap...or if the audio chain of WBZ (Which I assume is set up 
for voice) just did a number on the music.

Also, apart from that, there was what I percived to be static...and some 
microwave issues(?),

Anyone else catch it?




From elipolo@earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 12:20:27 2007
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:20:27 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
Message-ID: <C2B2928B.34C5%elipolo@earthlink.net>

> > From: "Don A" <donald_astelle@yahoo.com>
> To: "Boston Radio" <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:49:56 -0400
> Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
> 
> Although the music quality left a lot to be desired.
> I don't know if it was compressed to crap...or if the
> audio chain of WBZ (Which I assume is set up for voice)
> just did a number on the music.

AM stations that run IBOC must run an even more limited
frequency response on their analog signals than stations
that don't, and they don't change that processing even
when they aren't running IBOC at night.

When WBZ first turned on the IBOC a few years ago, there
was a simultaneous sharp drop in their analog frequency
response. It was unfortunate considering what a good
sounding analog AM WBZ once was (though I do have an HD
receiver and appreciate how good WBZ sounds in HD stereo
in the daytime).

It's unfortunate that they don't change their processing
for that special event as long as they're not running
IBOC at night, but they don't.

EP





From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 12:31:07 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:31:07 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
In-Reply-To: <C2B2928B.34C5%elipolo@earthlink.net>
References: <C2B2928B.34C5%elipolo@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <468D1CCB.5040109@fybush.com>

Eli Polonsky wrote:

> AM stations that run IBOC must run an even more limited
> frequency response on their analog signals than stations
> that don't, and they don't change that processing even
> when they aren't running IBOC at night.

They're not required to stay with the narrow analog bandwidth when the 
IBOC goes off, and not all do. WLS in Chicago even turns their AM stereo 
back on at sunset.

It's trivial, in a modern Omnia or Orban processor, to set up timer 
schedules that will adjust processing depending on daypart. We do it at 
WXXI in Rochester for the University of Rochester FM that we manage, 
WRUR, which needs different processing depending on whether it's 
simulcasting our news-talk AM, running a AAA format we produce during 
the day, or running student rock mixed with various obscenities at night...

s

From readaaron@friedbagels.com  Thu Jul  5 11:21:16 2007
From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:21:16 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
Message-ID: <468D0C6C.9050601@friedbagels.com>

I was a bit surprised that WBZ didn't get an STA to run their IBOC 
carriers late that night to provide better audio quality for the show. 
(I checked, they weren't on)

Or maybe they tried and were denied?

BTW, in regards to WEEI-FM, I can (with a decent car radio) hear them 
pretty well if I'm on the south side of Corey Hill in 
Brighton/Brookline.  It's not good reception; lots of other interfering 
signals overriding 103.7...but it's there.  It's arguably one of the 
best stations in Rhode Island to get "overall regional coverage".

-- 


--------------------------
Aaron Read
readaaron@friedbagels.com
Boston, MA 02446-2204



Did anyone else catch WBZ Radio's coverage of thye Esplanade concert?

I thought Jordan Rich did a good job being his amiable self.

Although the music quality left a lot to be desired.  I don't know if it 
was compressed to crap...or if the audio chain of WBZ (Which I assume is 
set up for voice) just did a number on the music.

Also, apart from that, there was what I percived to be static...and some
microwave issues(?),

Anyone else catch it?

From elipolo@earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 13:13:20 2007
From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:13:20 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
Message-ID: <C2B29EEF.34C7%elipolo@earthlink.net>

--- Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:

> Eli Polonsky wrote:
> 
> > AM stations that run IBOC must run an even more limited
> > frequency response on their analog signals than stations
> > that don't, and they don't change that processing even
> > when they aren't running IBOC at night.
> 
> They're not required to stay with the narrow analog bandwidth
> when the IBOC goes off, and not all do. WLS in Chicago even
> turns their AM stereo back on at sunset.

WBZ could also change their processing at night, but they
don't seem to have their act together to do that. I remember
a few years ago they promoted that they were going to switch
on their AM stereo for the 4'th festivities. They actually
promoted it pretty heavily for a couple of days leading up
to it. I assume this would've meant going to their backup
transmitter, which was still AM stereo at the time. When it
came time for the 4'th broadcast that year, their promoted
switching on of AM stereo never ended up actually happening.

EP


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 13:20:42 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:20:42 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051020y4182f83ua7110bf808acee3@mail.gmail.com>

I was just thinking today that when WBZ-TV rebranded themselves simply
WBZ was this a hint of what will happen in a couple of years when
analog channel numbers become just a memory.

WCVB is calling themselves The Boston Channel more and more for example.

It will be curious how it plays out.

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 13:34:51 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:34:51 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707051020y4182f83ua7110bf808acee3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707051020y4182f83ua7110bf808acee3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <468D2BBB.8040804@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> I was just thinking today that when WBZ-TV rebranded themselves simply
> WBZ was this a hint of what will happen in a couple of years when
> analog channel numbers become just a memory.
> 
> WCVB is calling themselves The Boston Channel more and more for example.
> 
> It will be curious how it plays out.
> 

This has been one of the most common misconceptions of the DTV 
conversion, even (sometimes) within stations themselves.

Because DTV tuners remap the channels they receive, concealing the 
underlying RF channel number in the process, the average viewer will 
never know (and never needs to know) that "channel 5" is actually RF 
channel 20, or that "channel 4" is actually RF channel 30. In fact, the 
FCC's guidelines specifically mandate that stations must continue to use 
their present analog channel number as their virtual channel number even 
after the analog sunset.

If anything, the analog broadcast channel number is a little MORE 
important now than it may have been a few years ago, since it's not only 
the mapped channel number that the DTV signal uses, but also the channel 
number that Dish and DirecTV use. (This may help to explain why WLVI 
seems to be slowly returning to "CW56" branding after several years as 
"CW Boston" and "Boston's WB" before that.)

On the whole, I think this is a good thing for consumers, since it makes 
the DTV conversion much more straightforward (no worrying about "why is 
WHDH on channel 42?," or wondering "why did it go back to 7?" in 2009). 
The only issue it raises, and it's a minor one, is with antennas. Right 
now, I know I need a low-band VHF antenna to watch channel 4, a 
high-band VHF antenna to watch 7, and a UHF antenna to watch 38. After 
2009, a consumer (or, more likely, an antenna installer) will still need 
to know the underlying RF channel numbers to determine whether a 
UHF-only antenna will work, or whether a VHF antenna will be needed as 
well. In Boston, I believe 7 will be the only VHF DT remaining after the 
conversion, but Providence will have 3 of its 7 signals on VHF when it's 
all done (WJAR back on 10, WPRI on 13, and WNAC moving to 12 after WPRI 
vacates it. Yes, that means TVs tuned to "12" will really be on 13, and 
"64" will really be on 12, but that's why the remapping is there, so 
only we geeks need to worry about it.)

s

From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul  5 13:36:08 2007
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:36:08 -0600
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>

>>I was just thinking today that when WBZ-TV rebranded themselves
simply
WBZ was this a hint of what will happen in a couple of years when
analog channel numbers become just a memory.<<

They won't become just a memory, but they will be, in some cases,
relatively meaningless.  Channel numbers will be programmable in
software at the TV station and transmitted with the digital data stream.
 If WBZ-DT wishes to ID themselves on receivers as channel 4 while
transmitting on channel 30, 4 is what will show up on the TV sets.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com

From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul  5 14:06:35 2007
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:06:35 -0600
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <s68cdedc.079@entbalms2.entercom.com>

>>After February, 2009, could cable operators  transfer over-the-air outlets 
anywhere they want, and put the cable channels that pay them the most money
on channels 2 thru 20?<<

As far as I know, the pertinent rule is 47 CFR ?76.57, which states in part that cable-channel assignments for must-carry stations in a community are up to the station or may be mutually agreed upon by both the station and the cable operator, and any existing agreements for channel assignments would not stop at the DTV transition date.  Further, it appears from the wording of the rule that the data stream which contains the channel-display info for DTV stations would have to be transmitted intact through the cable system.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com



From brian_vita@cssinc.com  Thu Jul  5 13:37:45 2007
From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:37:45 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
In-Reply-To: <468D0C6C.9050601@friedbagels.com>
References: <468D0C6C.9050601@friedbagels.com>
Message-ID: <468D2C69.6010402@cssinc.com>

They probably thought that for the 1% or less of us out there listening 
in HD, it wasn't worth the effort.

Brian
Aaron Read wrote:
> I was a bit surprised that WBZ didn't get an STA to run their IBOC 
> carriers late that night to provide better audio quality for the show. 
> (I checked, they weren't on)
>
> Or maybe they tried and were denied?
>
> BTW, in regards to WEEI-FM, I can (with a decent car radio) hear them 
> pretty well if I'm on the south side of Corey Hill in 
> Brighton/Brookline.  It's not good reception; lots of other 
> interfering signals overriding 103.7...but it's there.  It's arguably 
> one of the best stations in Rhode Island to get "overall regional 
> coverage".
>


From marklaurence@mac.com  Thu Jul  5 14:39:49 2007
From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:39:49 -0700
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
Message-ID: <87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

 On Thursday, July 05, 2007, at 01:38PM, "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com> wrote:

>They won't become just a memory, but they will be, in some cases,
>relatively meaningless.  Channel numbers will be programmable in
>software at the TV station and transmitted with the digital data stream.
> If WBZ-DT wishes to ID themselves on receivers as channel 4 while
>transmitting on channel 30, 4 is what will show up on the TV sets.

Wouldn't it be worth it for all the broadcast networks to get together and agree on a single channel number for all their affiliates?   It would be temporary confusion for sure, but no more than when local stations swapped affiliates.  They could promote their channel numbers nationally, and even rename themselves like "Channel 4" in the UK.  It would give them a big advantage over all the cable networks which always find themselves in some forgettable position like channel 164.

Mark

From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jul  5 12:57:10 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:57:10 -0500
Subject: What City Is This?
Message-ID: <20070705165711.14E371CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: mike@miscon.net
>Subject: Re: What City Is This?
>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:21:23 -0400

>mike@miscon.net wrote:
>
> All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes
>OK. Who from Salem reads this mailing list? :-)

>s

If you scurry on over to:

htgp://www.universalhub.com

and scroll down to the item labelled "Generictown", you can view the WTTT
Home Page as it was until a day or two ago.  My comment on the B.R.I.G.
is referenced (although my first name is misspelled).  It's  possible that
it was THIS item that was viewed by WTTT "management"and then the change was made.
Somebody at Salem Communications/Boston may be serarching for a suitable Boston 
skyline photo to replace the Flag log after the holiday period...
or since right-wingers believe they have a patent on patriotism, WTTT may keep
the flag.  
S
I
D
E
B
A
R: if you go to universal.hub.com later in the day, the entry entitled
"Cannon on the Charles"will contain my observation on the relative merits
(or lack thereof) of Tchaikovky's "1812 Overture"and Beethoven's 
"Wellington's Victory." 


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From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jul  5 13:42:36 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:42:36 -0500
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <20070705174236.32F9C102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sid Schweiger" 
>To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: when analog TV signals end
>Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:36:08 -0600

>They won't become just a memory, but they will be, in some cases,
>relatively meaningless. Channel numbers will be programmable in
>software at the TV station and transmitted with the digital data stream.
>If WBZ-DT wishes to ID themselves on receivers as channel 4 while
>transmitting on channel 30, 4 is what will show up on the TV sets.

>Sid Schweiger
>IT Manager, Entercom New England

A friend of mine is a school teacher, and for several years, he "worked"
as a house-sitter during the summer in a few ritzy suburbs well west of
Boston.  The local cable system in one town I recall had no broadcast TV
station on its own channel, so channel 4 for example could be on cable channel 
22.  This WASN'T because of bleeding between the broadcast antenna and
the cable wiring because this was well west of Cedar St. in Needham.
After February, 2009, could cable operators  transfer over-the-air outlets 
anywhere they want, and put the cable channels that pay them the most money
on channels 2 thru 20?

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From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jul  5 13:50:06 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:50:06 -0500
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
Message-ID: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: madprof@ix.netcom.com
>Subject: Re: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
>Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:54:11 -0400


Robert F. Sutherland wrote:

> Wondering if anyone has knowledge? Apparently the WKFD call was 
> not otherwise reserved?
> Is ASTRO TELE-COMMUNICATIONS CORP intending Block Island & the 
> rest of coverage is by chance? Do they own any other stations?

>The new 1370 was applied for during the last window for major AM 
>changes and new AM stations. Under current rules, you can't apply 
>for a new daytimer, as the old WKFD was, and any new station has to 
>provide considerably greater protection to other occupants of the 
>channel (primarily, in this case, WFEA, WALK and WNRI, but also 
>WLYN, WDRC, WINY, WNBH, WPLM and WHTB) than the old WKFD's 
>grandfathered signal did.
>s
It's amazing that an operation in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
would have to worry these days about first-, second-, and even
third-frequency separation over dozens and dozens of miles, while
WAZN-AM 1470 blithely plops itself down in the midst of what was once 
the reasonably decent coverage area of the former WBET-AM 1460 in Brockton!
I know WAZN is uber-directional, but still...


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From adamg@gaffin.com  Thu Jul  5 14:58:00 2007
From: adamg@gaffin.com (Adam Gaffin)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:00 -0400
Subject: What City Is This?
In-Reply-To: <20070705165711.14E371CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070705165711.14E371CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <468D3F38.6000004@gaffin.com>

http://www.universalhub.com/node/9428 is the direct URL, in case you 
don't want to scroll. And I will fix your name, sorry!

-- Adam

Laurence Glavin wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Fybush" 
>> To: mike@miscon.net
>> Subject: Re: What City Is This?
>> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:21:23 -0400
> 
>> mike@miscon.net wrote:
>>
>> All I'm seeing at this time is stylized stars and stripes
>> OK. Who from Salem reads this mailing list? :-)
> 
>> s
> 
> If you scurry on over to:
> 
> htgp://www.universalhub.com
> 
> and scroll down to the item labelled "Generictown", you can view the WTTT
> Home Page as it was until a day or two ago.  My comment on the B.R.I.G.
> is referenced (although my first name is misspelled).  It's  possible that
> it was THIS item that was viewed by WTTT "management"and then the change was made.
> Somebody at Salem Communications/Boston may be serarching for a suitable Boston 
> skyline photo to replace the Flag log after the holiday period...
> or since right-wingers believe they have a patent on patriotism, WTTT may keep
> the flag.  
> S
> I
> D
> E
> B
> A
> R: if you go to universal.hub.com later in the day, the entry entitled
> "Cannon on the Charles"will contain my observation on the relative merits
> (or lack thereof) of Tchaikovky's "1812 Overture"and Beethoven's 
> "Wellington's Victory." 
> 
> 

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 15:04:53 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:04:53 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
	<87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <468D40D5.3050408@fybush.com>

marklaurence@mac.com wrote:

> Wouldn't it be worth it for all the broadcast networks to get
> together and agree on a single channel number for all their
> affiliates?   It would be temporary confusion for sure, but no more
> than when local stations swapped affiliates.  They could promote
> their channel numbers nationally, and even rename themselves like
> "Channel 4" in the UK.  It would give them a big advantage over all
> the cable networks which always find themselves in some forgettable
> position like channel 164.

The idea has come up, and there's a provision in the rules for the use 
of virtual channels 70-99 for just that purpose. I think PBS has picked 
out a channel number up there (80?) for national services, and Tribune 
applied at one point for all of its stations to use 75.

Such a unified numbering scheme would make some sense for new networks 
like CW and Pax/i. At this point, I think there's too much entrenched 
branding on the lower end of the dial to make it work for the older 
networks. ABC, for instance, would certainly want to put all its 
stations on "Channel 7," where its O&Os in NY, Chicago, LA and San 
Francisco are all located. But there's not a chance in creation that Ed 
Ansin would want to risk the viewer confusion that would result from 
WCVB becoming "channel 7" and WHDH becoming something else (probably "4" 
in a national scheme, since that's where KNBC and WNBC are).

And that doesn't even bring up the question of what would happen in an 
affiliation swap. Imagine such a scheme had been in place in 1995, and 
WBZ/NBC had been on the default NBC channel of 4, while WHDH/CBS was on 
the default CBS channel of 2. Would WBZ have become "channel 2" after 
the swap?

The national channel number scheme works better in countries where each 
channel is under common ownership nationwide, like Britain. I could see 
it working (eventually) in Canada, where recent consolidations now mean 
that CTV owns all but a tiny fraction of its affiliates, as do Global 
and CityTV. The CBC has also eliminated all but a few of its 
privately-owned affiliates.

Channel-number branding is all but unknown these days in Canada, anyway, 
since the CRTC mandates that big-city cable systems remap VHF stations 
to channels away from their off-air signals. Cable penetration in many 
big Canadian cities is over 80%, so most Torontonians, for instance, 
don't even know that the CBC is on channel 5 or CTV on channel 9.

There's even some province-wide coordination of cable channel numbering, 
so Global is seen on 3 in most of Ontario. It would make lots of sense 
for them to eventually settle on "3" as a permanent DTV virtual channel 
number. (CKVR, which is over-the-air 3 in Barrie, would need a different 
virtual channel number under that scheme.)

s

From wollman@bimajority.org  Thu Jul  5 15:05:13 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:05:13 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
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<<On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:06:35 -0600, "Sid Schweiger" <sid@wrko.com> said:

> As far as I know, the pertinent rule is 47 CFR ?76.57, which states
> in part that cable-channel assignments for must-carry stations in a
> community are up to the station or may be mutually agreed upon by
> both the station and the cable operator

The Cable Act of 1994 had more-specific language:

	Each signal carried in fulfillment of the carriage obligations
	of a cable operator under this section shall be carried on the
	cable system channel number on which the local commercial
	television station is broadcast over the air, or on the
	channel on which it was carried on July 19, 1985, or on the
	channel on which it was carried on January 1, 1992, at the
	election of the station, or on such other channel number as is
	mutually agreed upon by the station and the cable operator.
	(47 USC 5.534)

I suspect the Commission has discretion to modify this standard.

-GAWollman



From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 15:06:09 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:06:09 -0400
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
In-Reply-To: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <468D4121.4090808@fybush.com>

Laurence Glavin wrote:

> It's amazing that an operation in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
> would have to worry these days about first-, second-, and even
> third-frequency separation over dozens and dozens of miles, while
> WAZN-AM 1470 blithely plops itself down in the midst of what was once 
> the reasonably decent coverage area of the former WBET-AM 1460 in Brockton!
> I know WAZN is uber-directional, but still...

One more thought on this before I head into WXXI and try to invent some
news for afternoon drive -

The AM dial as it now exists is the result of more than 80 years of rule
changes (some wisely thought out, some less so), grandfathering and,
above all, politics.

Some of the best advice I ever got on understanding AM allotments was to
carefully study and memorize the dial as it appeared just before the
NARBA shifts of 1941.

The signals that existed then are the ones that are most useful
today[*]. Everything else has been jury-rigged into an increasingly
crowded dial in the years since, generally requiring complicated DAs and
compromises in terms of full-market coverage.

s

[* - Allowing, of course, for the growth of markets in directions
unforeseen in 1940, as witness DC or Charlotte, where there are no
full-market AMs, and allowing as well for short-sighted owners who've
given up decent signals and sold the land under the towers, as witness
630 in Minneapolis or 570 in DC.]


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 15:06:51 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:06:51 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
	<87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051206r32ec799as59ba5c0890118d31@mail.gmail.com>

CBS 2 , NBC 4, ABC 7 would make perfect sense on a national scale

Fox could either use 11 (LA) or 5 (NYC)


I guess what I found curious about the WBZ rebranding is how the
number 4 has completly vanished from the logo.




On 7/5/07, marklaurence@mac.com <marklaurence@mac.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be worth it for all the broadcast networks to get together and
> agree on a single channel number for all their affiliates?   It would be
> temporary confusion for sure, but no more than when local stations swapped
> affiliates.  They could promote their channel numbers nationally, and even
> rename themselves like "Channel 4" in the UK.  It would give them a big
> advantage over all the cable networks which always find themselves in some
> forgettable position like channel 164.
>
> Mark
>

From pete@partnercomm.com  Thu Jul  5 15:15:00 2007
From: pete@partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:15:00 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
	<87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <468D4334.50302@partnercomm.com>

The point of "Channel 4" in the UK calling itself that is because it was 
a fourth national broadcast service in the UK. "Channel 4" is its 
branding, as "CBS", "ABC", "NBC", or "FOX" is the brand for each of 
innumerable national broadast network services.

It would serve no purpose to give CBS a nationwide "channel 2", as there 
are hundreds of markets that would have to change from the number they 
already know (and for which there is an existing solidly entrenched 
brand image)?

Unlike the UK, the legacy national broadcast networks did not have much 
of a "local" image. "Channel 1" on your telly was tuned to the local 
BBC1 transmitter. There may have been a bit of local programming from 
the regional news bureau, but for the most part, it was not in any way 
identified as an "individual" station - very unlike the US stations, 
which very heavily marketed themselves as affiliated, but stand-alone 
operations.

Unless I have just moved into a new TV market, I will know already what 
channel is what. My TiVo will know even before I do, when I do move! I 
have no idea what cable-only channel is what anymore, because I don't 
need to know. The TiVo does all that for me... For the consumer, it is 
all just about content, right? It is only us geeks that care about the 
particulars of channels (like "How many channel 83's were there EVER?")....

-Peter

--
Peter Murray (N3IXY)
Oak Hill, VA

marklaurence@mac.com wrote:
> Wouldn't it be worth it for all the broadcast networks to get together and agree on a single channel number for all their affiliates?   It would be temporary confusion for sure, but no more than when local stations swapped affiliates.  They could promote their channel numbers nationally, and even rename themselves like "Channel 4" in the UK.  It would give them a big advantage over all the cable networks which always find themselves in some forgettable position like channel 164.
>
> Mark

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 14:21:05 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:21:05 -0400
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
In-Reply-To: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <468D3691.5040005@fybush.com>

> It's amazing that an operation in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
> would have to worry these days about first-, second-, and even
> third-frequency separation over dozens and dozens of miles, while
> WAZN-AM 1470 blithely plops itself down in the midst of what was once 
> the reasonably decent coverage area of the former WBET-AM 1460 in Brockton!
> I know WAZN is uber-directional, but still...

The rules on these moves are, if nothing else, well set out in black and 
white and equitably enforced.

In a nutshell: there's a table that sets out what the protected contour 
for each class of station is, for co-channel, first-adjacent, 
second-adjacent and third-adjacent. You can read the whole table here:
http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2006/73/37/

In the case of first-adjacent class B signals, which is what both WXBR 
1460 and WAZN 1470 are, the rule says that the 0.25 mV/m contour of one 
station can't overlap the 0.5 mV/m contour of the other, and vice versa. 
  The combination of lousy ground conductivity between Lexington and 
Brockton and the very directional 1470 pattern more or less takes care 
of that requirement. In the case of WKFD, though, salt water is very 
conductive, and so the signal spreads and spreads and spreads as it 
heads away from Charlestown, creating more interference concerns. The 
FCC will allow interference over water, but they get picky about ANY 
interference over land, only rarely granting waivers when it's 
noncontiguous and outside the station's home market. (An example would 
be WAMG interfering on paper with WCBS on Cape Cod.)

In this specific case (WXBR/WAZN), I suspect there was existing 
grandfathered prohibited overlap between the old Marlborough WSRO signal 
and WBET. In a case like that, the FCC wants to see a reduction in the 
amount of overlap, but will approve an application that doesn't 
completely eliminate the overlap. That might have been what happened here.

As for WKFD, the relevant issues stack up like this:

WNRI 1380 - can't overlap 0.25/0.5 contours. WNRI's 0.5 just comes down 
to Warwick, and it's 0.25 brushes the north end of Aquidneck Island. 
This severely restricts ANY signal to the north from WKFD.

WFEA/WALK 1370 - WKFD's 0.025 mV/m (a vanishingly weak signal) can't 
overlap either of these stations' 0.5, and vice versa. This is a further 
limitation to the north (WFEA) and to the southwest (WALK).

The other nearby AMs are less of an issue. WDRC on 1360 has the same 
protections as WNRI, but it's more distant. WPLM on 1390 and WNBH on 
1340/WHTB on 1400 have even less protection - for second-adjacent 1390, 
the 5 mV/m contours can't overlap, and for third-adjacent 1340/1400, the 
25 mV/m contours can't overlap. Even with the water path between 1340 
and 1370, the powers involved are still small enough that the 25s don't 
come close to overlapping.

That said, the WNRI issue is just a killer for this signal.

(This analysis looks only at daytime protections; at night, a class B 
signal gets only co-channel protection, but here's where protection of 
WFEA becomes a killer. And because you can't apply for a new daytimer, 
you have to have a licensable night signal to apply for anything at all.)

s

From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 15:33:46 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:33:46 -0400
Subject: Red Sox radio
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051233g688573b7m628e6f3201d053e7@mail.gmail.com>

lastest issue of Red Sox Magazine sold at Fenway is out and they still
listing WALE Providence as running the games in Spanish in Providence

so is beisbol.net
http://www.beisbol.net/body/transmision.htm

The WRKO affliate list has WKBR located in Nashua

http://wrko.com/pages/343922.php

now last week when I had 1250 on they gave WGAM as the call

and how many affilates do the have in Portland????

WRKO lists all these
WJJB 900 AM
WJJB 95.5 FM
WJAB 1440 AM
WJAE 1440 AM
WLOB 96.3 FM

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Thu Jul  5 16:36:56 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:36:56 -0500
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <468D2BBB.8040804@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770707051020y4182f83ua7110bf808acee3@mail.gmail.com>,
	<468D2BBB.8040804@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <468D1018.28786.17C88F@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 5 Jul 2007 Scott Fybush wrote:

> If anything, the analog broadcast channel number is a little MORE
> important now than it may have been a few years ago, since it's not
> only the mapped channel number that the DTV signal uses, but also the
> channel number that Dish and DirecTV use. (This may help to explain
> why WLVI seems to be slowly returning to "CW56" branding after several
> years as "CW Boston" and "Boston's WB" before that.)

Didn't they used to be "WB56"?
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street                          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109              http://www.attorneyross.com



From sid@wrko.com  Thu Jul  5 15:15:48 2007
From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:15:48 -0600
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <s68cef14.083@entbalms2.entercom.com>

>>The Cable Act of 1994 had more-specific language:

	Each signal carried in fulfillment of the carriage obligations
	of a cable operator under this section shall be carried on the
	cable system channel number on which the local commercial
	television station is broadcast over the air, or on the
	channel on which it was carried on July 19, 1985, or on the
	channel on which it was carried on January 1, 1992, at the
	election of the station, or on such other channel number as is
	mutually agreed upon by the station and the cable operator.
	(47 USC 5.534)

I suspect the Commission has discretion to modify this standard.<<

Actually, that's almost exactly the wording of the rule I cited.



Sid Schweiger
IT Manager, Entercom New England
WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF
WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM
20 Guest St / 3d Floor
Boston MA  02135-2040
Phone: 617-779-5369
Fax: 617-779-5379
E-Mail: sid@wrko.com

From lglavin@mail.com  Thu Jul  5 15:10:26 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:10:26 -0500
Subject: when analog TV signals end
Message-ID: <20070705191026.BE17816427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Fybush" 
>To: marklaurence@mac.com
>Subject: Re: when analog TV signals end
>Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:04:53 -0400


marklaurence@mac.com wrote:

> Wouldn't it be worth it for all the broadcast networks to get
> together and agree on a single channel number for all their
> affiliates? It would be temporary confusion for sure, but no more
> than when local stations swapped affiliates. They could promote
> their channel numbers nationally, and even rename themselves like
> "Channel 4" in the UK. It would give them a big advantage over all
> the cable networks which always find themselves in some forgettable
> position like channel 164.

>Channel-number branding is all but unknown these days in Canada, 
>anyway, since the CRTC mandates that big-city cable systems remap 
>VHF stations to channels away from their off-air signals. Cable 
>penetration in many big Canadian cities is over 80%, so most 
>Torontonians, for instance, don't even know that the CBC is on 
>channel 5 or CTV on channel 9.
>There's even some province-wide coordination of cable channel 
>numbering, so Global is seen on 3 in most of Ontario. It would make 
>lots of sense for them to eventually settle on "3" as a permanent 
>DTV virtual channel number. (CKVR, which is over-the-air 3 in 
>Barrie, would need a different virtual channel number under that 
>scheme.)
>s

I'd be wary of looking to Canada for consistency in standards...
I just observed that Labatt's Blue comes in 11.5-ounce bottles!


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From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 15:11:27 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:11:27 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
In-Reply-To: <468D2C69.6010402@cssinc.com>
References: <468D0C6C.9050601@friedbagels.com> <468D2C69.6010402@cssinc.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051211i78f855a8u4e6105afac41b9d5@mail.gmail.com>

Well if WCRB ever adds a HD channel it will become moot as they also
broadcast last night

>From what I was told their were audio problems at the Hatch itself
because of the rain



On 7/5/07, Brian Vita <brian_vita@cssinc.com> wrote:
> They probably thought that for the 1% or less of us out there listening
> in HD, it wasn't worth the effort.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Jul  5 15:47:34 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:47:34 -0400
Subject: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
References: <20070705175006.56C67102EB@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7bf3d$80659640$19eefea9@satpro4600>

The old WSRO 1470--when it transmitted from Fitchburg St in Marlborough--had
massive daytime overlap of 0.5 mV/m contours with WBET. Given that
situation, what is now WAZN may be permitted a lesser degree of normally
prohibited overlap--as long as it is less than what existed before the move
to Lexington. I'm not sure about that. But I can tell you for sure that WBET
is NOT WAZN's most serious first-adjacent problem to the south. Those honors
go to WSAR. If you look at WAZN's day pattern, you will see that it throws a
minimum directly toward WSAR; the general shape of the pattern protects
WBET, but there is no minimum toward Brockton.

I live only about a mile from the WTTT/WAZN site, and while WBET definitely
was audible here before WAZN moved in, I rather doubt whether WBET's signal
around here was 0.5 mV/m. I'm skeptical about the new setup causing no
overlap between WAZN's 0.25 and WBET's 0.5 but I think that there is less
overlap between WAZN's 0.5 and WBET's 0.5 than there used to be when WAZN
was WSRO and transmitted from Fitchburg St with 5 kW ND days.

--

Dan Strassberg
dan.strassberg@att.net
Fax: 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@mail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>; <madprof@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "B-R-I" <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)


> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Scott Fybush"
> >To: madprof@ix.netcom.com
> >Subject: Re: WKFD 1370 Ri (deformatted)
> >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:54:11 -0400
>
>
> Robert F. Sutherland wrote:
>
> > Wondering if anyone has knowledge? Apparently the WKFD call was
> > not otherwise reserved?
> > Is ASTRO TELE-COMMUNICATIONS CORP intending Block Island & the
> > rest of coverage is by chance? Do they own any other stations?
>
> >The new 1370 was applied for during the last window for major AM
> >changes and new AM stations. Under current rules, you can't apply
> >for a new daytimer, as the old WKFD was, and any new station has to
> >provide considerably greater protection to other occupants of the
> >channel (primarily, in this case, WFEA, WALK and WNRI, but also
> >WLYN, WDRC, WINY, WNBH, WPLM and WHTB) than the old WKFD's
> >grandfathered signal did.
> >s
> It's amazing that an operation in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
> would have to worry these days about first-, second-, and even
> third-frequency separation over dozens and dozens of miles, while
> WAZN-AM 1470 blithely plops itself down in the midst of what was once
> the reasonably decent coverage area of the former WBET-AM 1460 in
Brockton!
> I know WAZN is uber-directional, but still...
>
>
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From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 16:39:37 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:39:37 -0400
Subject: could WILD go full time?
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051339r23b6d56eu4eb462494ae2ba68@mail.gmail.com>

Has WILD ever attempted to get an unlimited license?

I know they power down for critical hours to protect WBAL but given
what has happened in the past few years could they at least apply?

Obviously it would be at very low power and directional and I wonder
if the transmitter being in Medford made it unrealistic to provide a
decent night signal in Roxbury-Mattapan?

for that matter could WNTN also do the same at 1550?

From scott@fybush.com  Thu Jul  5 17:14:24 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:14:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: could WILD go full time?
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707051339r23b6d56eu4eb462494ae2ba68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707051339r23b6d56eu4eb462494ae2ba68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35357.66.195.169.98.1183670064.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>

> Has WILD ever attempted to get an unlimited license?
>
> I know they power down for critical hours to protect WBAL but given
> what has happened in the past few years could they at least apply?
>
> Obviously it would be at very low power and directional and I wonder
> if the transmitter being in Medford made it unrealistic to provide a
> decent night signal in Roxbury-Mattapan?
>
> for that matter could WNTN also do the same at 1550?

Interesting questions, all.

The key factor is that WBAL (and CBE on 1550) are both Class A facilities,
which means their skywave signals are protected to the 0.5 mV/m-50%
contour (or to the nearest international boundary, depending).

I'm guessing that WBAL's relevant night contour encompasses the entire
Boston area, making night service from WILD impossible.

Night service on WNTN might be possible. Co-channel WDZK in Connecticut
has 2400 watts at night. I suspect the challenge with WNTN would be
finding a site that could deliver a nighttime interference-free signal to
most of Newton, though the existence of WZBC would at least make it
possible for WNTN to change COL to a geographically more-compact
community.

s

From kc1ih@mac.com  Thu Jul  5 18:00:28 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:00:28 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707051211i78f855a8u4e6105afac41b9d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468D2C69.6010402@cssinc.com>
	<4fc429770707051211i78f855a8u4e6105afac41b9d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7bf4f$ef0b8660$c7151bac@MasterExtra>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org 
> [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]
>  On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Brian Vita
> Cc: boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org; Aaron Read
> Subject: Re: WBZ/Esplanade
> 
> Well if WCRB ever adds a HD channel it will become moot as 
> they also broadcast last night
> 

Huh?  WCRB already has HD.

Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Thu Jul  5 20:15:20 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:15:20 -0400
Subject: Maine Broadcasting System
Message-ID: <007f01c7bf62$be1584d0$6501a8c0@pastor2>

Does anyone remember what the third station was that was owned by the
Rines/Thompson family's Maine Broadcasting System (WCSH-TV Portland, WLBZ-TV
Bangor) before the company was sold to Gannett?  I think it was out in
Illinois or Iowa.

-Doug


From jjlehmann@comcast.net  Thu Jul  5 18:50:25 2007
From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:50:25 -0400
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
In-Reply-To: <000f01c7bf4f$ef0b8660$c7151bac@MasterExtra>
Message-ID: <008401c7bf56$e12e9e90$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1>

> > Well if WCRB ever adds a HD channel it will become moot as
> > they also broadcast last night
> >
> 
> Huh?  WCRB already has HD.

I think he means an HD2 channel. Howevery, WCRB's HD has been off the air
for the past couple months. Hopefully they're fixing the problem that had
the hash spreading from about 98.3 to 100.9 when you were within 5 miles or
so of the tower. It was always much wider than any of the other local
stations running HD.

Jeff Lehmann
Hanson, MA


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Thu Jul  5 20:31:44 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:31:44 -0400
Subject: Red Sox radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707051233g688573b7m628e6f3201d053e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707051233g688573b7m628e6f3201d053e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878F9DC48D5942B786F4614D2B826B96@DanBillingsPC>

JJ Jeffery owns all those stations and run the Sox on all of them. 
900/1440/95.5 are simulcast 24/7 as sports talk.  96.3 is talk and is 
actually licensed to Rumford in Western Maine.  It covers a great deal of 
territory not covered by the other stations.  96.3 is usually simulcast with 
1310 in Portland.  I am not sure if that is true during the Sox games.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: Red Sox radio
> and how many affilates do the have in Portland????
>
> WRKO lists all these
> WJJB 900 AM
> WJJB 95.5 FM
> WJAB 1440 AM
> WJAE 1440 AM
> WLOB 96.3 FM
> 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 22:23:34 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:23:34 -0400
Subject: could WILD go full time?
In-Reply-To: <35357.66.195.169.98.1183670064.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>
References: <4fc429770707051339r23b6d56eu4eb462494ae2ba68@mail.gmail.com>
	<35357.66.195.169.98.1183670064.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707051923p15a28905w907f8f5328dc916b@mail.gmail.com>

Watertown could become the COL for WNTN. CBE is only 10000w
directional to the east. The mighty Fresh Pond 740 pulled it off with
CBL which always boomed into Boston.

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Thu Jul  5 23:13:03 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:13:03 -0400
Subject: could WILD go full time?
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You are missing the point. If WNTN were to operate at night with more than
250W equivalent power, it would become a class B AM and would have to
deliver an NIF (nighttime interference-free) signal (probably something in
the neighborhood of 20 mV/m--but that's just a guess) to 80% of its CoL. The
CoL would, thus, have to be close enough to the transmitter site and compact
enough for the night pattern to cover this area. For Watertown to work, it
would have to be southeast of the transmitter site because protecting CBE
dictates a pattern that has deep minima to the northwest. If the chosen site
were the 1150/1470 site in Lexington, Watertown would be in the right
direction but probably not close enough for the low power WNTN would be
likely to be granted. And the fact that the site is already being used by
two stations, one of them very close in frequency to 1550, would almost
certainly make the use of the site prohibitively expensive. To get FCC
approval, it would also help for the new CoL to be a place without a
full-time audio broadcast station licensed to it. Watertown loses on that
score--it currently has one such, WAZN--and will soon also have WRCA.

OTOH, if WNTN were to run less than 250W equivalent at night, it could
remain a Class D AM (like WJIB) and its night service would not have to
cover any of the CoL, so the station could remain licensed to Newton. If
WNTN were to operate nondirectionally at night, it looks as if the power
would be limited to about 2.5W, except during the hour between local sunset
and Windsor ON sunset, when somewhat higher power (maybe 25W or so) might be
allowed. WNTN owner Rob Rudnick has already determined that 2.5W from the
existing transmitter site on the Newton-Waltham line would cover so few
people that it is not worth the trouble and cost to put it on the air.

--

Dan Strassberg
dan.strassberg@att.net
Fax: 1-707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Fybush" <scott@fybush.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: could WILD go full time?


> Watertown could become the COL for WNTN. CBE is only 10000w
> directional to the east. The mighty Fresh Pond 740 pulled it off with
> CBL which always boomed into Boston.




From kvahey@gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 10:34:14 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:34:14 -0400
Subject: WCBS-FM returning to oldies????
Message-ID: <4fc429770707060734m618beaf9nd18fdaa28325a33a@mail.gmail.com>

The NY Post has picked up an item on the NY Radio Message Board that
WCBS-FM will send JACK-FM and revert back to oldies.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07062007/tv/starr_report_tv_michael_starr.htm

From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Jul  6 11:18:15 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:18:15 -0500
Subject: WBZ/Esplanade
Message-ID: <20070706151815.19B50102EE@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff Lehmann" 
>To: "'Larry Weil'" , "'Kevin Vahey'" , "'Brian Vita'" 
>Subject: RE: WBZ/Esplanade
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:50:25 -0400


> > Well if WCRB ever adds a HD channel it will become moot as
> > they also broadcast last night
> >
>
> Huh? WCRB already has HD.

>I think he means an HD2 channel. Howevery, WCRB's HD has been off the air
>for the past couple months. Hopefully they're fixing the problem that had
>the hash spreading from about 98.3 to 100.9 when you were within 5 miles or
>so of the tower. It was always much wider than any of the other local
>stations running HD.
>Jeff Lehmann
>Hanson, MA

That must be the reason why the pirate at 99.9, "La Voz de Fey"  (not
sure of the spelling) seems to be coming in better...but the AUTHORIZED
99.9 near Haverhill just got a license to cover, but I haven't received
it anywhere.


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From lglavin@mail.com  Fri Jul  6 11:56:22 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:56:22 -0500
Subject: My Rental Has Sirius
Message-ID: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>

Just picked up my rental for a weekend trip to the Berkshiires, (Taconics too)
and upstate NY.  Hey, it comes with Sirius radio.   I checked Sirius' website
for its classical and liberal talk channels, so for a few days I won't be
dependent on the offerings of terrestrial radio (although I'm usually happy
with WFCR (now AM&FM), WMHT and WAMC and its numerous siblings.  Maybe
I won't get out of the car except to eat and drink!

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From kc1ih@mac.com  Fri Jul  6 13:43:43 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: My Rental Has Sirius
In-Reply-To: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c2b42f06b929@[192.168.0.100]>

At 10:56 AM -0500 7/6/07, Laurence Glavin wrote:

>Just picked up my rental for a weekend trip to the Berkshiires, (Taconics too)
>and upstate NY.  Hey, it comes with Sirius radio.   I checked Sirius' website
>for its classical and liberal talk channels, so for a few days I won't be
>dependent on the offerings of terrestrial radio (although I'm usually happy
>with WFCR (now AM&FM), WMHT and WAMC and its numerous siblings.  Maybe
>I won't get out of the car except to eat and drink!

The programming on Sirius Left 146 on the weekends is mostly repeats 
of shows from the weekdays, but is often preempted for sports.  There 
are also two NPR channels, 134 and 135, which carry some programs not 
heard locally.  And CBC Radio 1 is on 137.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From Joe@attorneyross.com  Fri Jul  6 15:08:32 2007
From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:08:32 -0500
Subject: My Rental Has Sirius
In-Reply-To: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <468E4CE0.4921.18D4FE@Joe.attorneyross.com>

On 6 Jul 2007 Laurence Glavin wrote:

> Just picked up my rental for a weekend trip to the Berkshiires,
> (Taconics too) and upstate NY.  Hey, it comes with Sirius radio.   I
> checked Sirius' website for its classical and liberal talk channels,
> so for a few days I won't be dependent on the offerings of terrestrial
> radio (although I'm usually happy with WFCR (now AM&FM), WMHT and WAMC
> and its numerous siblings.  Maybe I won't get out of the car except to
> eat and drink!

Where is WFCR now on AM? 

-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                   617.367.0468
92 State Street                          Fax: 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109              http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@bimajority.org  Fri Jul  6 14:30:10 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:30:10 -0400
Subject: My Rental Has Sirius
In-Reply-To: <468E4CE0.4921.18D4FE@Joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <20070706155622.3D99F16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com>
	<468E4CE0.4921.18D4FE@Joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <18062.35378.976339.69995@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:08:32 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross" <Joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> Where is WFCR now on AM? 

Nowhere.  But Laurence was perhaps thinking of WNNZ, which is being
leased by WFCR to broadcast a second service (formerly heard on WTTT
Amherst).

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sat Jul  7 01:27:35 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:27:35 -0500
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <468D4334.50302@partnercomm.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>,
	<87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>,
	<468D4334.50302@partnercomm.com>
Message-ID: <468EDDF7.11349.80D12C@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 5 Jul 2007 at 15:15, Peter Murray wrote:

> The point of "Channel 4" in the UK calling itself that is because it
> was a fourth national broadcast service in the UK. "Channel 4" is its
> branding, as "CBS", "ABC", "NBC", or "FOX" is the brand for each of
> innumerable national broadast network services.

Indeed, the original names of the BBC radio networks reflected this.  
The BBC's first network was the "Home Service."  Next they came up 
with the "Light Programme," which apparently was somewhat less 
"Auntie Beeb" than the Home Service.  Finally, they established a 
third network and called it the "Third Programme."  At some point, I 
think in the 1960s or 70s, the three netorks became "Radio One," 
"Radio Two", and "Radio Three," and a fourth network, "Radio Four," 
was added.  When I was in London in 1973, I heard program tests for 
Britain's first local radio services.

On shortwave, they once had the "Empire Service," which I think may 
have merged with something else to become the "General Overseas 
Service."  I remember hearing this when I first started listening to 
shortwave radio in the early 1960s.  Then the name was changed and it 
became the "World Service," as it is called now.
 
-- 
A. Joseph Ross, J.D.                           617.367.0468
 92 State Street	                                  Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From wollman@bimajority.org  Sat Jul  7 01:56:00 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:56:00 -0400
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <468EDDF7.11349.80D12C@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>
	<87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
	<468D4334.50302@partnercomm.com>
	<468EDDF7.11349.80D12C@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <18063.10992.947876.716235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

<<On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:27:35 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com> said:

> The BBC's first network was the "Home Service."  Next they came up 
> with the "Light Programme," which apparently was somewhat less 
> "Auntie Beeb" than the Home Service.  Finally, they established a 
> third network and called it the "Third Programme."  At some point, I 
> think in the 1960s or 70s, the three netorks became "Radio One," 
> "Radio Two", and "Radio Three," and a fourth network, "Radio Four," 
> was added.

Almost but not quite.  The "Home Service" is what became Radio Four.
The "Light Programme" became Radio Two, and the "Third Programme" kept
its number.  The new service was "Radio One", which was the Beeb's
first foray into popular music; it was started to compete with the
pirate radio ships, like Radio Caroline, and with Radio Luxembourg
("The World's Largest Commercial Broadcaster... Radio Luxembourg,
14-40 Medium Wave, from Marnach.  The Great 2-0-8!")  Remember that
this was at a time when Britain had no commercial radio ("independent
local radio" was not started until the mid-1970s, and national
commercial stations were not licensed until the BBC abandoned most of
its mediumwave network).

In the late 1980s, the BBC added a fifth national service, called
"Radio Five", now "Five Live", which is primarily devoted to talk and
sport.  (Confusingly, Five Live's principal commercial competition --
operating on former BBCR2 mediumwave transmitters IIRC -- is called
"talkSPORT".)  Today, the BBC operates more than fifty radio services:

- Radio 1 is still the CHR service.
- 1Xtra is a rhythmic/urban digital-only service.
- Radio 2 is still the AC service.
- Radio 3 is still the "serious music" service.

- Radio 4 is still the flagship spoken-word service, but is split into
  two networks:
  - Radio 4 FM is the primary service, with a regular daily schedule
    including programming "strands" like suppertime comedy, and daily
    serialized dramas.
  - Radio 4 LW is the secondary service, which adds test match cricket,
    and two additional shipping forecasts, on 198 kHz longwave.
  Both carry World Service programming overnight.

- Five Live is the national news, telephone talk, and sport service
- Five Live Sports Extra is a national digital-only service with
  additional sports programming.
- BBC 6 Music is a national digital-only service dedicated to new and
  independent music.
- BBC 7 is a national digital-only service with two sometimes
  contradictory programming requirements: six hours a day of
  children's programming, and the remainder of the schedule is filled
  with repeats of BBC spoken-word programs (mostly from Radio 4),
  including comedy and drama, which must be at least two years old or
  must already have been aired twice on another service.

- BBC Asian Network provides specialty programming for Britons of
  South Asian descent and recent immigrants from the subcontinent.
- BBC World Service for Europe broadcasts in English to Central
  Europe on 648 kHz from Orfordness (a town on the North Sea not far
  from London)

- BBC Local Radio is a network of forty services, providing a mix of
  local, regional, and national programming for England and the
  Channel Islands.  These stations relay Five Live overnight.

- BBC Radio Scotland, BBC Radio Wales, and BBC Radio Ulster provide
  English-language programming for the other "national regions".
  Radio nan Gaidheal, Radio Cymru are the Scottish Gaelic and
  Welsh-language services, respectively.

-GAWollman


From rogerkola@aol.com  Sat Jul  7 09:15:08 2007
From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:15:08 -0300
Subject: when analog TV signals end
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com><87E12A79-0113-1000-DF8C-AD454AE8B28E-Webmail-10025@mac.com><468D4334.50302@partnercomm.com><468EDDF7.11349.80D12C@joe.attorneyross.com>
	<18063.10992.947876.716235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <000801c7c098$d7c62ec0$0200a8c0@Tanguray>

Local BBC Trivia...

Five Live "presenter" Rhod Sharpe actually performed his BBC show live via
DSL from WESX's Naugus Avenue Studios for the past several summers. Rumors
(or rumours if you prefer) were that he was going to try to move his summer
studio into his Marblehead vacation home when the station was sold.

A really nice guy, I actually got an official Super Bowl "Programme" and a
Five Live T-Shirt out of the deal!

Roger
WA1KAT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Wollman" <wollman@bimajority.org>
To: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: when analog TV signals end


> <<On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:27:35 -0500, "A. Joseph Ross"
<joe@attorneyross.com> said:
>
> > The BBC's first network was the "Home Service."  Next they came up
> > with the "Light Programme," which apparently was somewhat less
> > "Auntie Beeb" than the Home Service.  Finally, they established a
> > third network and called it the "Third Programme."  At some point, I
> > think in the 1960s or 70s, the three netorks became "Radio One,"
> > "Radio Two", and "Radio Three," and a fourth network, "Radio Four,"
> > was added.
>
> Almost but not quite.  The "Home Service" is what became Radio Four.
> The "Light Programme" became Radio Two, and the "Third Programme" kept
> its number.  The new service was "Radio One", which was the Beeb's
> first foray into popular music; it was started to compete with the
> pirate radio ships, like Radio Caroline, and with Radio Luxembourg
> ("The World's Largest Commercial Broadcaster... Radio Luxembourg,
> 14-40 Medium Wave, from Marnach.  The Great 2-0-8!")  Remember that
> this was at a time when Britain had no commercial radio ("independent
> local radio" was not started until the mid-1970s, and national
> commercial stations were not licensed until the BBC abandoned most of
> its mediumwave network).
>
> In the late 1980s, the BBC added a fifth national service, called
> "Radio Five", now "Five Live", which is primarily devoted to talk and
> sport.  (Confusingly, Five Live's principal commercial competition --
> operating on former BBCR2 mediumwave transmitters IIRC -- is called
> "talkSPORT".)  Today, the BBC operates more than fifty radio services:
>
> - Radio 1 is still the CHR service.
> - 1Xtra is a rhythmic/urban digital-only service.
> - Radio 2 is still the AC service.
> - Radio 3 is still the "serious music" service.
>
> - Radio 4 is still the flagship spoken-word service, but is split into
>   two networks:
>   - Radio 4 FM is the primary service, with a regular daily schedule
>     including programming "strands" like suppertime comedy, and daily
>     serialized dramas.
>   - Radio 4 LW is the secondary service, which adds test match cricket,
>     and two additional shipping forecasts, on 198 kHz longwave.
>   Both carry World Service programming overnight.
>
> - Five Live is the national news, telephone talk, and sport service
> - Five Live Sports Extra is a national digital-only service with
>   additional sports programming.
> - BBC 6 Music is a national digital-only service dedicated to new and
>   independent music.
> - BBC 7 is a national digital-only service with two sometimes
>   contradictory programming requirements: six hours a day of
>   children's programming, and the remainder of the schedule is filled
>   with repeats of BBC spoken-word programs (mostly from Radio 4),
>   including comedy and drama, which must be at least two years old or
>   must already have been aired twice on another service.
>
> - BBC Asian Network provides specialty programming for Britons of
>   South Asian descent and recent immigrants from the subcontinent.
> - BBC World Service for Europe broadcasts in English to Central
>   Europe on 648 kHz from Orfordness (a town on the North Sea not far
>   from London)
>
> - BBC Local Radio is a network of forty services, providing a mix of
>   local, regional, and national programming for England and the
>   Channel Islands.  These stations relay Five Live overnight.
>
> - BBC Radio Scotland, BBC Radio Wales, and BBC Radio Ulster provide
>   English-language programming for the other "national regions".
>   Radio nan Gaidheal, Radio Cymru are the Scottish Gaelic and
>   Welsh-language services, respectively.
>
> -GAWollman
>
>


From kvahey@gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 10:56:13 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:56:13 -0400
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold
Message-ID: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2007/07/07/edwards_gets_all_calls_on_nesn/


Smart move by the Bruins. You fire the one person who would talk hockey on WEEI.

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Sat Jul  7 11:01:55 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:01:55 -0400
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E437225818804F229D8378DE5118E958@DanBillingsPC>

Dale Arnold is the most famous graduate of the high school that I 
atteneded -- Mt. Ararat School in Topsham, Maine.  Dale was a member of the 
school's first graduating class.

-- Dan Billings
    Bowdoinham, Maine
    Mt. Ararat '86

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@bostonradio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold


> http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2007/07/07/edwards_gets_all_calls_on_nesn/
>
>
> Smart move by the Bruins. You fire the one person who would talk hockey on 
> WEEI.
> 


From francini@mac.com  Sat Jul  7 11:04:11 2007
From: francini@mac.com (John Francini)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:04:11 -0400
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240811c2b55b9e6ab1@[192.168.1.52]>

On the other hand, he may have been offered the full-year gig, but 
declined it so that he could stay on WEEI.

He'll land somewhere else -- he's quite good.  I'd like to see him 
doing BC football instead of the execrable John Meterparel.

j


At 10:56 -0400 7/7/07, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2007/07/07/edwards_gets_all_calls_on_nesn/
>
>
>Smart move by the Bruins. You fire the one person who would talk 
>hockey on WEEI.

-- 
John Francini, francini@mac.com

"The journey is more important than the destination -- that's part of life.
If you only live for getting to the end, you're almost always disappointed."
                               -- Donald Knuth

From marklaurence@mac.com  Sat Jul  7 11:31:32 2007
From: marklaurence@mac.com (marklaurence@mac.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:31:32 -0700
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00481479-0113-1000-FFBB-1111488E8056-Webmail-10023@mac.com>

 On Saturday, July 07, 2007, at 10:59AM, "Kevin Vahey" <kvahey@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2007/07/07/edwards_gets_all_calls_on_nesn/
>
>Smart move by the Bruins. You fire the one person who would talk hockey on WEEI.

Although the Bruins are part owners of NESN, I don't believe they were the instigators here.  In fact, the Globe story infers that the Bruins intervened to try to keep a role for Dale Arnold on the telecasts.

Dale gives his side of the story on the HF boards: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=398843

As a lifelong fan, I think it's a terrible decision at a time when the NHL is in terrible shape, in Boston and everywhere else.

Mark

From me@billoneill.us  Sat Jul  7 13:06:27 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:06:27 -0400
Subject: NESN fires Dale Arnold
In-Reply-To: <00481479-0113-1000-FFBB-1111488E8056-Webmail-10023@mac.com>
References: <4fc429770707070756t1aefd991r76f255448c96183e@mail.gmail.com>
	<00481479-0113-1000-FFBB-1111488E8056-Webmail-10023@mac.com>
Message-ID: <468FC813.7050709@billoneill.us>

marklaurence@mac.com wrote:
>  <snip>  a lifelong fan, I think it's a terrible decision at a time when the NHL is in terrible shape, in Boston and everywhere else.
>
> Mark
>
>   

Well put.  Arnold's heartfelt words to reveal not only his personal 
frustration at this point but says it all about bad business decisions 
when he writes:

"I feel that the advantage of having one of two Bruins' announcers also 
serve as a talkshow host on the highest rated sportsradio station in 
America outweighs the perceived advantage of a single play-by-play 
announcer. NESN disagrees."

Spin that, NESN.

Bill O'Neill

From wollman@bimajority.org  Sun Jul  8 00:52:39 2007
From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:52:39 -0400
Subject: WGBH Western Avenue bridge demolition
Message-ID: <18064.28055.142297.833395@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>

Saturday morning, construction crews demolished the bridge over
Western Avenue which had connected the WGBH studios at #125 to the
WGBH administrative offices at #114.  See the new photo gallery at
<http://gallery.bostonradio.org/2007-07/wgbh/>.

-GAWollman


From joe@attorneyross.com  Sun Jul  8 01:31:48 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:31:48 -0500
Subject: when analog TV signals end
In-Reply-To: <18063.10992.947876.716235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
References: <s68cd7c0.085@entbalms2.entercom.com>,
	<468EDDF7.11349.80D12C@joe.attorneyross.com>,
	<18063.10992.947876.716235@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <46903074.19785.3D167D@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 7 Jul 2007 at 1:56, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> Almost but not quite.  The "Home Service" is what became Radio Four.
> The "Light Programme" became Radio Two, and the "Third Programme" kept
> its number.  The new service was "Radio One", which was the Beeb's
> first foray into popular music; it was started to compete with the
> pirate radio ships, like Radio Caroline, and with Radio Luxembourg
> ("The World's Largest Commercial Broadcaster... Radio Luxembourg,
> 14-40 Medium Wave, from Marnach.  The Great 2-0-8!")  Remember that
> this was at a time when Britain had no commercial radio ("independent
> local radio" was not started until the mid-1970s, and national
> commercial stations were not licensed until the BBC abandoned most of
> its mediumwave network).
 
OK, thanks for setting me straight and elaborating on this.  As I 
said, I heard test transmissions for independent local radio in the 
London area when I was over there in May 1973.  I also heard the 
World Service broadcasting to Europe on medium wave.  I had borrowed 
a small AM-only transistor radio from my mother, and it seemed odd to 
be hearing the BBC World Service on it.

-- 
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 92 State Street	                                  Fax 617.507.7856
Boston, MA 02109           	         http://www.attorneyross.com



From donald_astelle@yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 11:38:48 2007
From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:38:48 -0400
Subject: Changing the local cable franchising process...
Message-ID: <012201c7c23f$57578470$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2>

I know we've bounced around the pros/cons of this bill...and some members on 
the list had some strong felings about it.  I thought this recent letter to 
the editor in the Boston Herald covered some imporatnt points about some of 
the issues Verizon is trying to evade with the bill.

http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=1009330&format=text

Wired for arrogance

Your editorial in favor of a bill to change the local cable franchising 
process implies that consumers suffer because telecommunications companies 
have a difficult time breaking into local markets ("House is hanging it up," 
July 2). But nothing prevents companies like Verizon from signing identical 
contracts that existing providers have already negotiated with cities and 
towns. Verizon does not want to adhere to consumer protections, like 
anti-redlining provisions that require the provider to offer service to 
everyone in town no matter their income demographic. This bill is the 
epitome of special interest legislation and should be rejected by the 
Legislature. 


From aerie.ma@comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 15:03:10 2007
From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:03:10 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
Message-ID: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>

The Boston Herald is reporting as "breaking news" on their home page that
Howie Carr is moving to the morning show on WTKK.


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:13:00 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:13:00 -0400
Subject: WCBS-FM back to oldies Thursday at 1:01 PM
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091213r7e94a2a4u7d19dd764d4ec93c@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cbsradio.com/press_center/releases/pressrelease131116-07-09-2007.html


This may go down as the most boneheaded move in radio history. CBS
blows up 2 profitable stations in NYC and Chicago and JACK flops in
both markets. How many millions did this cost CBS?

I never understood why ABC now Citadel didn't flip WPLJ to Scott
Shannons "True Oldies" format like they did in Chicago.

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:17:31 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:17:31 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091217t6daf3ea9l2dcea0dcb8df78a1@mail.gmail.com>

Howie has been steaming since they hired Tom Finneran. Jason Wolfe has
done a good job destroying that station.


Well Buddy Cianci is available......

On 7/9/07, Jim Hall <aerie.ma@comcast.net> wrote:
> The Boston Herald is reporting as "breaking news" on their home page that
> Howie Carr is moving to the morning show on WTKK.
>
>

From scott@fybush.com  Mon Jul  9 15:19:22 2007
From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:19:22 -0400
Subject: WCBS-FM back to oldies Thursday at 1:01 PM
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707091213r7e94a2a4u7d19dd764d4ec93c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707091213r7e94a2a4u7d19dd764d4ec93c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46928A3A.2080108@fybush.com>

Kevin Vahey wrote:

> This may go down as the most boneheaded move in radio history. CBS
> blows up 2 profitable stations in NYC and Chicago and JACK flops in
> both markets. How many millions did this cost CBS?
> 
> I never understood why ABC now Citadel didn't flip WPLJ to Scott
> Shannons "True Oldies" format like they did in Chicago.

Simple: while WPLJ's 12+ ratings look anemic, it's a revenue monster, 
taking in more in a bad month than CBS-FM ever did in a good one.

WZZN in Chicago, by contrast, barely nudged the revenue meter.

s



From me@billoneill.us  Mon Jul  9 15:30:16 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:30:16 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707091217t6daf3ea9l2dcea0dcb8df78a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<4fc429770707091217t6daf3ea9l2dcea0dcb8df78a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46928CC8.9000604@billoneill.us>

Kevin Vahey wrote:
> Howie has been steaming since they hired Tom Finneran. Jason Wolfe has
> done a good job destroying that station.

I guess that was a short-lived reprieve on WVMT (620 Burlington) where 
he was put back on 4-7p lv.  Good move by the FMer, though, IMO.  Good 
AM drive gab potential.

Bill O'Neill

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Mon Jul  9 15:33:45 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:33:45 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
Message-ID: <003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

I think that's called a twofer; WTKK solves its AM-drive problem AND
mortally wounds its competition. If Entercom can do no better in PM drive
than the incredibly lame 6:00AM to noon duo of Finneran and Feinburg (both
separately and in combination, I find them virtually unlistenable), WRKO had
better look for some dirt-cheap syndicated programming that will be
consistent with minuscule ratings and the give-away spots that such ratings
beget. Next stop, brokered time a la WWZN? Hey, if it can pay the bills at
the top of the dial, it might work on the other side--although with
Feinburg's history in brokered time, he'd probably be first in line at the
GM's office with his personal check in his outstretched hand.

Anybody remember when Pat Whitley was leasing the entire boradcast day of
what was then WGTR (now WBIX) from John Garabedian? The calls were WTTP. I
believe Whitely started the Restaurant Show on WTTP (or at least first
started brokering it throughout southeastern New England while he was
running WTTP). Whitley must now be about 70. Think he'd go for brokering the
entire schedule except for Red Sox broadcasts? Maybe the Red Sox would jump
at brokering WRKO's full schedule.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hall" <aerie.ma@comcast.net>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK


> The Boston Herald is reporting as "breaking news" on their home page that
> Howie Carr is moving to the morning show on WTKK.
>






From me@billoneill.us  Mon Jul  9 15:34:06 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:34:06 -0400
Subject: Imus buzz
Message-ID: <46928DAE.4060805@billoneill.us>

What's the deal with Imus' rumored January return (Drudge, etc.)?  Or is 
this purely posturing vis-a-vis his suit against Viacom?

Bill O'Neill

From me@billoneill.us  Mon Jul  9 15:43:33 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:43:33 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>

Dan Strassberg wrote:
> Maybe the Red Sox would jump
> at brokering WRKO's full schedule.
>   

Ouch. I sure hope that things are not as bleak as that over at ARCO.  
Imus in the Morning affiliate perhaps? 

(I just experienced a topic-merge.  Fun, yet legal.)

Bill O'Neill

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 16:17:55 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:17:55 -0400
Subject: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>

This is going to be an impossible hole for ESPN Radio to cover

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2930637

From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 16:35:31 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:35:31 -0400
Subject: WCBS-FM back to oldies Thursday at 1:01 PM
In-Reply-To: <46928A3A.2080108@fybush.com>
References: <4fc429770707091213r7e94a2a4u7d19dd764d4ec93c@mail.gmail.com>
	<46928A3A.2080108@fybush.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091335l779e4c66v7ee60c6c6001c1f4@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/9/07, Scott Fybush <scott@fybush.com> wrote:
> WZZN in Chicago, by contrast, barely nudged the revenue meter.


WZZN has done well with a decent morning show and Chicago legends John
Landecker and Dick Biondi coming aboard with fred Winston soon to come
so WJMK probably can not go back at this point.

Maybe they go the route of the new KFRC in San Francisco

From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Jul  9 19:40:58 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:40:58 -0400
Subject: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E01BE2FA8446E085C81B068AF2D5C5@DanBillingsPC>

I heard one media writer speculate that he could end up doing mornings at 
WFAN.

I have also heard him mentioned as a replacement for Bob Barker at the Price 
is Right.


From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Jul  9 19:42:40 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:42:40 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward><003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
Message-ID: <40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>

This will create a big afternoon drive hole at WGAN Portland.  They have 
carried Howie's show for a very long time and it has been a solid performer 
for them.


From rogerkirk@ttlc.net  Mon Jul  9 19:55:39 2007
From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:55:39 -0400
Subject: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio
In-Reply-To: <16E01BE2FA8446E085C81B068AF2D5C5@DanBillingsPC>
References: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E01BE2FA8446E085C81B068AF2D5C5@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <4692CAFB.9090606@ttlc.net>

Dan Billings wrote:
> I have also heard him mentioned as a replacement for Bob Barker at the 
> Price is Right.
>
Much better choice than Rosie O'Donnell.


From markwats@comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 20:16:48 2007
From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:16:48 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
Message-ID: <006101c7c287$9c165030$a6d38018@Mark>

Jim Hall wrote:


> The Boston Herald is reporting as "breaking news" on their home page that 
> Howie Carr is moving to the morning show on WTKK.

  According to an AP story on the Boston Globe's website, Howie starts 
October 1st at WTKK, but Entercom may fight the move.

Link to said AP story:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/09/talk_show_host_howie_carr_prepares_to_move_to_wtkk/

Mark Watson









From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Jul  9 21:29:20 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:29:20 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward><003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <018001c7c291$bded7210$6501a8c0@pastor2>

Same with WVOM Bangor . . .  not to mention WCRN Worcester, which only
fairly recently began carrying his show.
-Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
To: "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us>; "Dan Strassberg"
<dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Howie Carr to WTKK


> This will create a big afternoon drive hole at WGAN Portland.  They have
> carried Howie's show for a very long time and it has been a solid
performer
> for them.
>


From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Jul  9 20:33:25 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:33:25 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <006101c7c287$9c165030$a6d38018@Mark>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<006101c7c287$9c165030$a6d38018@Mark>
Message-ID: <200707100033.l6A0XVHk024128@mac.com>

At 08:16 PM 7/9/2007, Mark Watson wrote:
>Jim Hall wrote:
>
>  According to an AP story on the Boston Globe's website, Howie 
> starts October 1st at WTKK, but Entercom may fight the move.
>
>Link to said AP story:
>http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/07/09/talk_show_host_howie_carr_prepares_to_move_to_wtkk/

And with typical AP accuracy, they got the callsign wrong two out of 
three times.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From revdoug1@verizon.net  Mon Jul  9 21:37:32 2007
From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:37:32 -0400
Subject: A bit more about Howie
Message-ID: <018a01c7c292$e2fbe040$6501a8c0@pastor2>

If this deal with WTKK is actually pulled off (the Herald reports this
evening that Entercom is saying "Not so fast!"), it seems to me that both
Howie and WTKK would be smart to try to assimilate a regional network
similar to what he's had with 'RKO.  I think some New England stations
outside Boston might jump at the chance to have Howie doing their morning
drive time, especially those that don't have what Dan has described as "a
solid performer" in that time slot.

-Doug


From tmw207@netzero.com  Mon Jul  9 20:01:30 2007
From: tmw207@netzero.com (Terry Wood)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:01:30 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward><003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg><46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
Message-ID: <000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>

Don't you think his real reason is that he is continually being interrupted 
by the BoSox?  He has done nothing but complain about the sox interrupting 
his show since RKO signed them this spring.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>
To: "Bill O'Neill" <me@billoneill.us>; "Dan Strassberg" 
<dan.strassberg@att.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Howie Carr to WTKK


> This will create a big afternoon drive hole at WGAN Portland.  They have 
> carried Howie's show for a very long time and it has been a solid 
> performer for them.
>
>
>
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From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Jul  9 20:51:52 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:51:52 -0400
Subject: A bit more about Howie
In-Reply-To: <018a01c7c292$e2fbe040$6501a8c0@pastor2>
References: <018a01c7c292$e2fbe040$6501a8c0@pastor2>
Message-ID: <2E6F34F1D1A8444F8ACD5B6B6C1EBF80@DanBillingsPC>

In Portland, Saga might take him to replace Imus, though they have added Bob 
& Tom to fill that spot recently.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drown" <revdoug1@verizon.net>
To: "Boston Radio Interest Board" 
<boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: A bit more about Howie


> If this deal with WTKK is actually pulled off (the Herald reports this
> evening that Entercom is saying "Not so fast!"), it seems to me that both
> Howie and WTKK would be smart to try to assimilate a regional network
> similar to what he's had with 'RKO.  I think some New England stations
> outside Boston might jump at the chance to have Howie doing their morning
> drive time, especially those that don't have what Dan has described as "a
> solid performer" in that time slot.
>
> -Doug
>
> 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 21:26:26 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:26:26 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>

The entire concept of the Sox on WRKO was flawed from day 1. The Sox
wanted a better night signal which is why they danced with WBOS but
WCRN joining the Sox network solved much of the problems WEEI has at
night with that 850 in upstate NY. Then you have Wednesday games on
EEI which makes no sense. Well if I am Jason Wolfe I am on a plane to
Alaska and beg Gene Burns to come back.

From kc1ih@mac.com  Mon Jul  9 22:05:09 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:05:09 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
	<4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>

At 09:26 PM 7/9/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote:


>Well if I am Jason Wolfe I am on a plane to
>Alaska and beg Gene Burns to come back.


Alaska?  AFAIK, Burns is on KGO in San Francisco.


Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH 


From kvahey@gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 22:20:38 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:20:38 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
	<4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>

Burns lives in Alaska and remotes to KGO

On 7/9/07, Larry Weil <kc1ih@mac.com> wrote:
> At 09:26 PM 7/9/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
>
> >Well if I am Jason Wolfe I am on a plane to
> >Alaska and beg Gene Burns to come back.
>
>
> Alaska?  AFAIK, Burns is on KGO in San Francisco.
>
>
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH
>
>

From gary@garysicecream.com  Mon Jul  9 22:38:47 2007
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:38:47 -0400
Subject: Gene Burns LIVES in San Fran
Message-ID: <070601c7c29b$71388f40$0200a8c0@Office>

In the Richmond neighborhood - NOT in Alaska!


From joe@attorneyross.com  Tue Jul 10 00:34:20 2007
From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:34:20 -0500
Subject: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio
In-Reply-To: <4692CAFB.9090606@ttlc.net>
References: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16E01BE2FA8446E085C81B068AF2D5C5@DanBillingsPC>,
	<4692CAFB.9090606@ttlc.net>
Message-ID: <4692C5FC.26802.96816B@joe.attorneyross.com>

On 9 Jul 2007 at 19:55, Roger Kirk wrote:

> Dan Billings wrote:
> > I have also heard him mentioned as a replacement for Bob Barker at
> > the Price is Right.
> >
> Much better choice than Rosie O'Donnell.

It occurs to me -- Why are there so few women hosting quiz or game 
shows?  The British woman on "The Weakest Link" is the only one that 
comes to mind.  Have there ever been any others?  

-- 
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 92 State Street	                                  Fax 617.507.7856
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From billings@suscom-maine.net  Mon Jul  9 23:54:23 2007
From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:54:23 -0400
Subject: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio
In-Reply-To: <4692C5FC.26802.96816B@joe.attorneyross.com>
References: <4fc429770707091317r17e00dffq3bf9c0e3ef807520@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16E01BE2FA8446E085C81B068AF2D5C5@DanBillingsPC>,
	<4692CAFB.9090606@ttlc.net>
	<4692C5FC.26802.96816B@joe.attorneyross.com>
Message-ID: <3F07E6EA0244456499F2ACA7A2CD8194@DanBillingsPC>

Meridith Viera host the daytime version of Who Wants to be a Millionaire.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross.com>
To: "Dan Billings" <billings@suscom-maine.net>; "Roger Kirk" 
<rogerkirk@ttlc.net>
Cc: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>; "Kevin Vahey" 
<kvahey@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Dan Patrick leaves ESPN Radio


> It occurs to me -- Why are there so few women hosting quiz or game
> shows?  The British woman on "The Weakest Link" is the only one that
> comes to mind.  Have there ever been any others?


From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Jul 10 03:24:36 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:24:36 -0500
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
Message-ID: <20070710072436.A996B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

The Herald has a few articles in today's paper about all this. 

If WRKO can't find a local host to replace Carr they could pick up
Hannity (ABC would prefer to have him on a stronger station) or
another syndie host. 

Entercom insists they still have Carr under contract and plan
to keep him but their chances of doing so are slim. Apparently
Entercom could have given him a one-year renewal in March but did not
do so...one Herald article quotes sources as saying that
upon hearing of Howie's exit, Jason Wolfe "smashed a glass award sitting on his office desk".

Without Howie, WRKO might consider other options, including just moving the sports stuff from 850 to 680 and turn 850 into
any format that isn't being covered now (perhaps even libtalk).

Herald says Howie got very good ratings in key demos and literally millions of ad dollars
could now be migrating to Greater Media...


From sean.smyth@yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 03:38:45 2007
From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <20070710072436.A996B83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <765004.77110.qm@web58310.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Bob Nelson <raccoonradio@mail.com> wrote:
> Herald says Howie got very good ratings in key demos and literally
> millions of ad dollars
> could now be migrating to Greater Media...

Of course they're going to say that ... the Herald has a vested
interest! 

Given the way the Herald has pimped this, it sounds like Pat Purcell
may have had a hand in it. WEEI seems to be a big advertiser in the
Herald's sports section, and pissing off Entercom isn't a good deal --
given the health of newspapers nowadays, losing any decent-sized
advertiser is a noteworthy hit.


       
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From kc1ih@mac.com  Tue Jul 10 10:40:23 2007
From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:40:23 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
	<4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>
	<4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c2b94a5f6d75@[192.168.0.100]>

At 10:20 PM -0400 7/9/07, Kevin Vahey wrote:

>Burns lives in Alaska and remotes to KGO

Interesting!  So I guess they send him bottles of all those Napa 
Valley wines he reviews on Saturday's show.

-- 
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jul 10 10:55:44 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:55:44 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward><003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg><46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us><40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC><000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer><4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com><200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com><4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240800c2b94a5f6d75@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <001101c7c302$687b2400$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

But Gary Francis, who used to produce Burns's show in Boston and remains a
personal friend of Gene's, posted yesterday that whoever posted that Gene
had moved to Alaska was wrong. Gary's post even named the San Francisco
neighborhood in which Gene lives. So it appears that, although the news that
Burns has moved to Alaska may be interesting, it is also incorrect.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Weil" <kc1ih@mac.com>
To: <boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Howie Carr to WTKK


> At 10:20 PM -0400 7/9/07, Kevin Vahey wrote:
>
> >Burns lives in Alaska and remotes to KGO
>
> Interesting!  So I guess they send him bottles of all those Napa
> Valley wines he reviews on Saturday's show.
>
> --
> Larry Weil
> Lake Wobegone, NH




From kvahey@gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:09:26 2007
From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:09:26 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <001101c7c302$687b2400$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
	<4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>
	<4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240800c2b94a5f6d75@192.168.0.100>
	<001101c7c302$687b2400$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
Message-ID: <4fc429770707100809t1f4ac812me047f6fcee8d76bf@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know how I got that so wrong....I swore I read that in the SF Chronicle.

Burns I *think* did a local show from the Bay Area on 1060 maybe 10
years ago when they tried to bring back WMEX

On 7/10/07, Dan Strassberg <dan.strassberg@att.net> wrote:
> But Gary Francis, who used to produce Burns's show in Boston and remains a
> personal friend of Gene's, posted yesterday that whoever posted that Gene
> had moved to Alaska was wrong. Gary's post even named the San Francisco
> neighborhood in which Gene lives. So it appears that, although the news that
> Burns has moved to Alaska may be interesting, it is also incorrect.

From raccoonradio@mail.com  Tue Jul 10 12:14:36 2007
From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:14:36 -0500
Subject: Carr files suit against WRKO
Message-ID: <20070710161436.6C06083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1010440

Breaking story has details about a lawsuit Howie Carr has filed against
WRKO, "accusing them of illegally trying to block his new deal with rival WTKK-FM."

Expect Carr to be off WRKO for awhile as this plays out (WRKO site
says Avi Nelson is filling in. I'm guessing this topic will not
be discussed on air, under mgmt orders...)


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Jul 10 12:26:56 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:26:56 -0400
Subject: Carr files suit against WRKO
In-Reply-To: <20070710161436.6C06083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070710161436.6C06083985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <4693B350.1020105@billoneill.us>

Bob Nelson wrote:
> Expect Carr to be off WRKO for awhile as this plays out (WRKO site
> says Avi Nelson is filling in. 

This could get interesting.  Makes one wonder - what if WRKO minimized 
legal expenses that would be associated with this action and funded, 
say, a _news division?_ (What was I thinking?)

Bill O'Neill

From nostaticatall@charter.net  Tue Jul 10 13:27:20 2007
From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:27:20 -0400
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
In-Reply-To: <4fc429770707100809t1f4ac812me047f6fcee8d76bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004001c7c25b$cb22b390$128e3f81@MoeHoward>
	<003401c7c260$152bf600$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<46928FE5.4010402@billoneill.us>
	<40B5C55336564C40904E5A2EC020B8AC@DanBillingsPC>
	<000601c7c285$8043bbb0$ca3c9441@WoodFamilyComputer>
	<4fc429770707091826r2ddf0e94hcc3963b616dd21be@mail.gmail.com>
	<200707100205.l6A25DjV012641@mac.com>
	<4fc429770707091920g56756a03i389d111fa4dfefa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240800c2b94a5f6d75@192.168.0.100>
	<001101c7c302$687b2400$19eefea9@dstrassberg>
	<4fc429770707100809t1f4ac812me047f6fcee8d76bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b967a1959d1a522a36c8aa770b8b7c8@charter.net>

Yeah, and it was gosh-awful.  The man literally didn't have an opinion 
about anything.  It was take a call, listen to what the caller said, 
thank them for calling in, ask "what do you think," pimp the phone 
number again, and repeat.  Over and over and over again.  Not 
compelling radio in the least.   Maybe that style of works at KGO, 
which tends to be a rather centrist radio station in comparison to most 
conservatalkers.  I suppose it could be effective on Sullivan's old 
shift on WBZ, but not on WRKO.  With that station skewing far right, 
they need a larger than life personality that has an opinion and isn't 
afraid to give it.  Gene Burns isn't that guy.

-Dave Tomm
"Mike Thomas"


On Jul 10, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Kevin Vahey wrote:

> I don't know how I got that so wrong....I swore I read that in the SF 
> Chronicle.
>
> Burns I *think* did a local show from the Bay Area on 1060 maybe 10
> years ago when they tried to bring back WMEX
>


From gary@garysicecream.com  Tue Jul 10 14:20:36 2007
From: gary@garysicecream.com (Gary's Ice Cream)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:20:36 -0400
Subject: Gene Burns
Message-ID: <07f501c7c31f$03294fb0$0200a8c0@Office>

Just had a half hour conversation with Gene Burns who has confirmed that he
does not have a home or even an igloo in Alaska. Although he has taken a
cruise up there a few times.

-Gary Francis


From me@billoneill.us  Tue Jul 10 14:29:39 2007
From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:29:39 -0400
Subject: Gene Burns
In-Reply-To: <07f501c7c31f$03294fb0$0200a8c0@Office>
References: <07f501c7c31f$03294fb0$0200a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <4693D013.5000202@billoneill.us>


> Just had a half hour conversation with Gene Burns who has confirmed that he
> does not have a home or even an igloo in Alaska. Although he has taken a
> cruise up there a few times.
>
> -Gary Francis
>   

Burns was a good listen back in the Burns/Williams era at WRKO. Seems 
like eons ago.

So, cough it up Gary. Is he interested?!  Also, does he still 'transit 
the meridian' into the 'afternoon incarnation' of his program or does he 
just leave that up to automation at this point?

Bill O'Neill




From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Jul 10 13:49:22 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:49:22 -0500
Subject: Howie Carr to WTKK
Message-ID: <20070710174922.7981C1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sean Smyth" 
>To: "Bob Nelson" , boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org
>Subject: Re: Howie Carr to WTKK
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
>Bob Nelson wrote:
> Herald says Howie got very good ratings in key demos and literally
> millions of ad dollars
> could now be migrating to Greater Media...
>Of course they're going to say that ... the Herald has a vested
>interest!

>Given the way the Herald has pimped this, it sounds like Pat Purcell
>may have had a hand in it. WEEI seems to be a big advertiser in the
>Herald's sports section, and pissing off Entercom isn't a good deal --
>given the health of newspapers nowadays, losing any decent-sized
>advertiser is a noteworthy hit.

Don't forget...the Herald still has the valuable WBIX account!


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From lglavin@mail.com  Tue Jul 10 13:59:16 2007
From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:59:16 -0500
Subject: When WKOX-AM Goes To 50 KW...
Message-ID: <20070710175917.1C8651CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

One thing that's been overlooked in all the brew-ha ha (what you get if you mix
hops, malt, yeast, water and laughing gas) over the Howie Carr-to-WTKK effect on
WRKO's fortunes is the fact that construction is moving apace at the new
Sawmill Brook Parkway site for WKOX-AM 1200.  One thing that's guaranteed
(I'd stake my reputation on it; I have nothing to lose) is that CCU will
flip the frequency to something other than Radio Rumba, possibly the kind of
talk on other stations the Company owns: Rush, Glenn Beck, maybe even Michael
Weiner.  That would leave even other holes in the 'RKO lineup.  Would they
counter with cherry-picked lib talk?  Stephanie Miller?  Thom HartmannThom Hartmann?
Ed Schultz?  It will be a v-e-r-y  i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g fall season!


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From dan.strassberg@att.net  Tue Jul 10 15:37:03 2007
From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:37:03 -0400
Subject: When WKOX-AM Goes To 50 KW...
References: <20070710175917.1C8651CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c7c329$b66caf40$19eefea9@dstrassberg>

WKOX's 50 kW signal will be underwhelming--not even the equal of WWZN's.
Wait and see. WWZN is on a higher frequency BUT has half-wave towers. WKOX's
200' towers will not even be quite 1/4 wavelength (close, though). The
result is that WWZN will be operating at an effective power almost double
WKOX's. The efficiency difference pretty well cancels out the frequency
difference. WWZN's (non-CH) day pattern is more favorable to the west than
WKOX's, meaning that WWZN, which is a few miles further from Framingham than
WKOX will be, will deliver a roughly equal daytime signal to WKOX's former
CoL. At night, WWZN has (on paper) a much quieter channel. That's true if
you don't count first adjacents. WKOX's 50% NIF is, IIRC, 13.55 mV/m. WWZN's
is well under 5.0. BUT WWZN has both WTWP and WWKB to contend with--both
directional toward Boston; WKOX has WPHT (ND). So the first-adjacent
advantage goes to WKOX.

So will CCU move its network fare to a a signal that is clearly inferior to
WRKO's. Possible I guess. Smart move? Probably not.

--
Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net
eFax 707-215-6367

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurence Glavin" <lglavin@ma