From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:07 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:07 -0500 Subject: Underwood, undercover -- sort of. In-Reply-To: <610249.80047.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <610249.80047.qm@web58304.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C12FA3.6742.64C8FA@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 7:27, Sean Smyth wrote: > An interesting morsel from the Inside Track: Apparently an undercover > police officer went online pretending to be a young teenage girl, > "Sarah Underwood," when conducting an online sex sting. > > http://www.townonline.com/homepage/8998967440243163133 And, as the article mentions, there was also Sara Jean Underwood, who was a recent Playmate of the Month. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: WLVI 56 color bars In-Reply-To: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> References: <05cd01c744ff$98272540$afba9c04@p133> Message-ID: <45C12FA4.23842.64CB48@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 1:18, Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > I thought someone would mention before I got to it.... > tonight (1-30) just before 8pm (& CW feed for Gilmore Girls), > ch56 aired about 2 minutes of color bars / audio tone, > then about 1 minute of blank screen & dead audio. > Then CW popped in on time. I was noticing that too. The increasing incidence of these glitches these days reflects badly on the professionalism of the people running the stations. There was more professionalism in the early days of television, when everyone was inexperienced and the equipment was klunky. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> References: , <45C154B5.20909@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <45C12FA4.18028.64CBD6@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 21:47, Bill O'Neill wrote: > If there isn't, ultimately, a clear penalty dealt in this regard then > we've just witnessed but a preview of 21st century marketing. There may not be an FCC penalty, but it sounds like law enforcement authorities will seek criminal penalties under other laws. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 00:09:08 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C12FA4.11138.64CC82@joe.attorneyross.com> On 31 Jan 2007 at 19:36, Sid Schweiger wrote: > Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was > broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, > and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. It sounds as though it doesn't. It looks like this regulation was adopted after the Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast to prevent such a panic from happening again. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 1 00:14:02 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:14:02 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" References: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia: Next, are Boston (area) police going to investigate possible bombs in other electronic / blinking LED / circuit board devices..... such as.... - traffic lights made of multiple super-bright LEDs, - local police (rented?) street "folding board" flashing (incandescent lights) "your speed is..." signs, - bank scrolling LED signs showing the time & temperature & whatever ads. and what if [I am NOT proposing that anyone do it] someone mounted an animated Pacman (flashing LEDs) display on Boston PD HQ? granted, WTBS's campaign was placed on critical bridges, etc, but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently ? Are Boston area people so different in attitudes from say, Austin TX? or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra cautiously? end political rant from a non-political person. Bob Sutherland From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 00:27:41 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:27:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Robert F. Sutherland" wrote: > and what if [I am NOT proposing that anyone do it] > someone mounted an animated Pacman (flashing LEDs) display > on Boston PD HQ? The problem with these promos is that not everyone is aware of the show. It's got a pretty sizable cult following -- notice the word, though, cult. It's not a mainstream smash. I've heard of it, and I know people who watch it, but I've never seen the show, so I wouldn't know a ATHF character from a hole in the wall. Oh, yeah, Pacman's pretty much a universal phenomenon. This surely went through several layers of folks before the bomb squad was called in. If the show is as popular as everyone claims, why did no one recognize that these were depictions of characters from the show? > granted, WTBS's campaign was placed on critical bridges, etc, > but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > ? > Are Boston area people so different in attitudes from say, Austin > TX? Well, the devices were not noticed in other cities until they were found here. Philadelphia police tonight said there are a bunch of them. Of course, we now know it's a hoax. > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the > NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra > cautiously? Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to shreds. ObMedia: We'd be ripping major media outlets for not altering us to them or not covering the story. > end political rant from a non-political person. Conveniently, this stunt takes place less than two months before the ATHF film comes out. Sorry for the going-off-topic nature of the reply. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From marklaurence@mac.com Thu Feb 1 00:44:15 2007 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:44:15 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD Message-ID: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> Channel 5 interrupted prime time network programming tonight with a 2 minute report on the Aqua Teen Terror Alert. This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's another step toward the first HD local newscast. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 01:41:44 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:41:44 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> <153307.18688.qm@web58302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17857.35752.136593.122730@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Of course, we now know it's a hoax. No, we don't know it's a hoax; indeed, we know that it is/was not a hoax. (That's one of the things that has infuriated me about the coverage I've seen so far -- that and the constant references to "Turner Broadcasting", a company that exists in name only, rather than the actual Time Warner.) Our friends at m-w.com (sorry, no access to the OED from my undisclosed location) give two definitions for "hoax" as a noun: (1) an act intended to trick or dupe: imposture (2) something accepted or established by fraud or fabrication Today's stunt does not fit either definition: it was not intended to trick or dupe, nor was it "established by fraud". However, the Massachusetts General Laws give a different definition, which states: For the purposes of this section, the term hoax device shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term infernal machine shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically. (M.G.L. chap. 266, sec. 102a1/2(b)) So it probably does fit under the Massachsetts legalese term "hoax device". I would still argue that broadcasters are being irresponsible to describe it as a "hoax", since journalists should use standard language and not legalese. For what it's worth, I think the Commonwealth would have a tough time proving the "intent to cause anxiety, unrest, fear or personal discomfort to any person or group of persons" required by paragraph (a) to make it criminal. (I would not be surprised if the ultimate result is that the guy they arrested today ends up pleading down to a misdemeanor public-disturbance charge, probably paying a fine equal to the money he received from the marketing firm, and appearing as a witness in a civil suit against the marketing firm and Time Warner. I hope he can get a good lawyer.) -GAWollman From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 01:43:25 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:43:25 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> Message-ID: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy > enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's > another step toward the first HD local newscast. A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, although I don't recall which market. -GAWollman From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 1 03:58:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:58:18 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: <20070201085818.1CF371024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Someone called WBZ radio tonight and said IEDs have four parts: power, switch, low density explosive, and high density explosive (something like that). These devices had the first two, at least. Supposedly one of the devices looked very convincing. WBZ mentioned a second arrest about 12:30 am tonight. The first was a 27 year old art student (exchange student from Belarus living in Arlington) while the second was a 28 year old from Charlestown = Patio Heaters on Sale Propane and electric Patio Heaters. Same day shipping. 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Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 1 07:23:15 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:23:15 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>Most fans of the TV show, the upcoming movie, and Cartoon Network's Adult Swim probably think this is the funniest promotion ever performed. Government officials could fume for the rest of the month and they will think it is even funnier. Boston got punked.<< Unfortunately, this is exactly the sort of thing that invites government intervention (read: new laws or regulations). Most people over 30 don't think this is funny at all, and they're the ones who make the laws. The abuse of liberty historically brings about more restrictions on liberty. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Thu Feb 1 07:27:38 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:27:38 -0700 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" Message-ID: >>It looks like this regulation was adopted after the Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast to prevent such a panic from happening again.<< Look at the regulation again, particularly the line at the bottom enclosed in brackets. The regulation was posted to the Federal Register on June 26, 1992. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From john@minutemancomm.com Thu Feb 1 07:37:31 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:37:31 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> I think this rule fits the Water Drinking stunt more than this incident. This incident seems like an accident. I don't think Turner Broadcasting had any intent to cause what happened. Should they have used more sense in a post 911 world? Well I guess we know that now but I'm not sure that they would have thought of that in advance. I think if they apologize and offer to pay for some or all of the extra costs of this marketing stunt that the government officials should relax their attack. However if these new reports are true that they didn't release the locations of all the other signs when asked is true I think that will change the situation dramatically. If it was a marketing mistake Turner should take immediate actions to explain that and fix it. If they decide to go silent for fear of litigation on the advice of counsel then I think they can expect litigation and perhaps license challenges. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Sid Schweiger Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:37 PM To: boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" >>if there's a rule against broadcast hoaxes, why wasn't any action taken against the clowns who broadcast April Fools Day news a few years ago about Mayor Menino having a heart attack or some such thing?<, Because that incident does NOT fit the definition of a broadcast "hoax." The applicable rule is here: TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED) PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H_Rules Applicable to All Broadcast Stations Sec. 73.1217 Broadcast hoaxes. No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if: (a) The licensee knows this information is false; (b) It is forseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm, and (c) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm. Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances. Note: For purposes of this rule, "public harm'' must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties. The public harm will be deemed foreseeable if the licensee could expect with a significant degree of certainty that public harm would occur. A "crime'' is any act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law. A "catastrophe'' is a disaster or imminent disaster involving violent or sudden event affecting the public. [57 FR 28640, June 26, 1992] =============================== Now that I've read it again, maybe it doesn't apply, since it was broadcast only in news coverage while the devices were being rounded up, and was not broadcast by The Comedy Channel. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 09:55:24 2007 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:55:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545351.71155.qm@web56808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:01:57 Sid Schweiger wrote: > And if those objects have been sitting around for > two or three weeks, > undetected, I have to wonder if people on Turner's > payroll were the ones > who reported them to authorities. Funny how they > all came to light on > the same day in ten different cities. > Exactly the thought that came to my mind. Even with my limited background in promotions compared to others, one of the things I was able to pick up when I did that line of work was that a lot of things that may seem accidental, may actually be completely intentional. For example - "leaks" of new songs before they're supposed to be played where the record companies issue "cease and desist" orders. Although they may seem unplanned and spur of the moment, as my old promotions director pointed out, "Have you ever noticed how they only seem to happen in major markets, and that those events gets plenty of news coverage?" Of course, the next thought that comes to my mind is - what is the world of promotions coming to? This is now the second *seriously* boneheaded promotions move by media outlets in as many months. Maybe its because I'm 30 years old (referring to a theory someone else on the list has), but I just don't see the humor in reporting something as a potential explosive device just to gain publicity for your show (which I've noticed "just so happens to be" prominently written about in almost every news article about this situation). Sure, there's a chance this was legitimately reported by concerned citizens, but given all of the background information, quite frankly "I ain't buying it!" This stinks of a big publicity stunt right from the word go. Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From me@billoneill.us Thu Feb 1 10:02:06 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:02:06 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> References: <981333.6429.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <45C200EE.5010304@billoneill.us> Robert F. Sutherland wrote: > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by watching extra > cautiously? > > end political rant from a non-political person. Don't quit your day job. Bill O'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Thu Feb 1 10:42:58 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:42:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") Message-ID: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> >From various notes on the topic > Of course, we now know it's a hoax. >No, we don't know it's a hoax; > but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and > one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to > shreds. > ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia Personally, I think this was an ill-considered plan at best. The person who reported the suspicious object did fine. I was in London once and saw sign asking for such reports (back in IRA days). The initial response may have been okay. I do think bomb squad people are too quick to blast things with their water cannon, and this is one such case, but that action was defensible. However, the actions and reactions since that first event have turned into the theatre of the absurd. And why did the bomb squad think it was a bomb? It could have been radiological or biological device in which case blowing it up would be the _worst_ thing to do. By the way, I got a Po 210 refill for my Staticmaster dust brush a few days ago. $14.50 plus shipping from New York City. The instructions include "Keep away from children or persons who are unable to observe these simple precautions." I bought a 35 mm slide scanner and boy, can it image dust! Umm, where was I? Oh yeah, I drove my wife to the Manchester(/Boston) airport today and heard two separate cost estimates - $1,000,000 and $750,000. These go along with yesterday's $500,000, $600,000, and $700,000. I heard today's numbers on WBZ, making this post related to Boston radio. So there! Turner may have gotten that much advertising, I suspect they should pay it and move on. The people who were arrested perhaps should be charged for littering and tried on Court TV. Had this been a Real Terrorst Attack, why oh why would these devices be placed in plain view? Unless the terrorist organization were all real idiots, they'd be planted on the _other_ side of beams or tucked between things (which would increase damage). These were not the size of car bombs, perhaps some high tech explosives would cause some injuries, but there's no chance they'd take a bridge down. During a coal mining strike when at was in college in Pittsburgh, someone exploded a few sticks of dynamite at the base of a bridge. The shockwave just reflected away from the concrete and nothing was damaged. The people who shot a truck carrying dynamite on the PA Turnpike did better, crater, killed truck driver and injured themselves. While I fully understand that the bomb squad is a bunch of trained paranoiacs and have no sense of humor, that's no excuse to abandon common sense. So many things about the objects were wrong, I think deserve any criticism they get for their reponse _after_ the first sign. Mayor Menino should be leaning on Turner Broadcasting for reimbursement, but he should be saying "We will be talking with Turner and expect that they will reimburse us for our costs" instead of taking the incensed play-acting politician route. If he's not careful, someone might note the character on the sign was a Mooninite and suggest that future shows call their leader Mayor Moonino. Of course, I would never mention that. I might mention that the Mayor et al learn about "LED throwies" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwies There's a good chance that inspired this advertising campaign. What else might the late-night comics say? This all seems way too easy.... "What did Homeland Security know and when did they know it?" (Some enterprising reporter found a web page with a headline like "Who's putting signs on our Bridges," but Googling that didn't work.) Aren't these people suppose to be on top of what's happening here? "Homeland security announces new post of Guerilla Marketing Czar." That way, Turner and the marketing company could alert Homeland Security about such plans. "Indecency complaints filed about obscene gesture by Mooninite." I'm amazed at what the media has done with the middle finger "salute." Some media pixelated it, I saw one shot with the full display, a cut to a talking head, then a cut to a different scene with pixelation. Good Morning America has one of the signs, but they cut out the LEDs for the finger (assuming it really is a finger). That probably will hurt resale value on Ebay.... The Union Leader, being a newspaper simply cropped their photo, see http://www.unionleader.com/uploads/media-items/2007/january/feb1boston_175px.jpg Turner sells bumper stickers of the image and "Mayor Menino." Turner could send him the proceeds as part of restitution. I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more of that LED image in the next few months. And, of course, "Banned in Boston" -Ric Werme From kc1ih@mac.com Thu Feb 1 11:45:44 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:45:44 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 1:43 AM -0500 2/1/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their >news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, >although I don't recall which market. And I have no idea why? Given the expenses involved, I can't see this contributing to the bottom line. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 1 13:37:59 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:37:59 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <6F35E3D8-4682-4086-BFCE-17241BA1AB18@mac.com> <17857.35853.778691.101466@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45C23387.9000705@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> This was the first time I'd seen local news in HD. It was easy >> enough for them to do, with just a single camera shot, but it's >> another step toward the first HD local newscast. > > A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their > news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, > although I don't recall which market. Boston is indeed slightly behind the curve when it comes to local HD news. WNBC in New York is 100% HD on material they originate themselves, for instance, including their live helicopter shots. WABC-TV is HD in studio, 16:9 SD in the field. Cleveland, for whatever reason, now has HD local news on all its stations except the Raycom-owned CBS/My duopoly. That's unusual - in most medium and large markets, it's just one station pioneering local HD news. Gannett seems to be in the lead, with most of its stations having converted now. WCVB's "Chronicle" is, of course, produced in HD, and I guess I can disclose that for an upcoming (end of this month) show on "100 Years of Radio in New England," videographer/producer Art Donahue was here in Rochester last month interviewing me. The HD gear he's using is quite nice - almost no moving parts, as it records to portable hard drives that can be swapped in and out of the camera. s From mamros@MIT.EDU Thu Feb 1 13:54:06 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:54:06 -0500 Subject: Channel 5-Bulletin in HD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:45:44 EST." Message-ID: <200702011854.l11Is6vQ014430@scrubbing-bubbles.mit.edu> Larry wrote: >At 1:43 AM -0500 2/1/07, Garrett Wollman wrote: >>A good number of stations (in other markets) are already doing their >>news in HD. I believe we saw one on the northwest trip last year, >>although I don't recall which market. > >And I have no idea why? Given the expenses involved, I can't see >this contributing to the bottom line. The studio equipment (cameras, monitors, switching systems, etc.) has to be replaced every X number of years anyways. If the HD-capable stuff isn't that much more expensive than the SD-only stuff, and you're going to be buying new stuff anyways, then why not go for HD? Especially if you can use it for bragging rights against your competition, at least until the next time the competition's capital equipment cycle comes around. In Channel 5's specific case, they may be taking advantage of the HD gear they already bought for Chronicle (part of which may have been funded by Hearst's cable arm, which I believe still airs Chronicle on one of their cable channels). -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 13:40:15 2007 From: joepappalardo2001@yahoo.com (Joseph Pappalardo) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:40:15 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring classical music to his town. He started his own (legal) "LP" station. Seems to cover Concord very well! http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. ;-) Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? From wollman@csail.mit.edu Thu Feb 1 14:29:55 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:29:55 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <17858.16307.335185.247323@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? I've met him -- real nice guy. He's worked for other stations in the market, and now has a home-based production business. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Feb 1 14:36:13 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:36:13 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> References: <000801c745fd$bde25e40$d600a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <45C2412D.3050101@ttlc.net> John Mullaney wrote: > This incident seems like an accident. I don't think Turner Broadcasting had > any intent to cause what happened. Should they have used more sense in a > post 911 world? Well I guess we know that now but I'm not sure that they > would have thought of that in advance. I think if they apologize and offer > to pay for some or all of the extra costs of this marketing stunt that the > government officials should relax their attack. > However if these new reports are true that they didn't release the locations > of all the other signs when asked is true I think that will change the > situation dramatically. > > If it was a marketing mistake Turner should take immediate actions to > explain that and fix it. If they decide to go silent for fear of litigation > on the advice of counsel then I think they can expect litigation and perhaps > license challenges. It is interesting to read Time-Warner's (updated) Standards of Business Conduct adopted last April. I have excerpted therefrom (for scholarly review purposes only): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A letter from the Chairman & CEO to all T-W Colleagues. "Wherever you work at Time Warner, these Standards should make unequivocal our commitment to the following broad principles: o We respect and obey the law. o We conduct ourselves as professionals and value diversity and merit in the workplace. o Our business loyalties are to the Company and we avoid conflicts of interest, real or apparent, that may jeopardize this primary allegience. o We are not false. We account for and disclose information about our Company honestly and in accordance with professional and legal requirements. o We deal honestly, fairly and respectfully with each other and with our suppliers, customers, competitors, governmental agencies and communities. o While our content may sometimes engender controversy, we want no one to question our character. o We accept and encourage good faith questions and challenges to conduct that may run counter to the Standards and we will not retaliate against those who raise or assert them. o We do not promulgate hollow words - we mean these things and want our Company to be defined by them. We urge all employees at all levels to embrace them and live by them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like one or more T-W employees are not embracing and living by them. From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Feb 1 15:04:58 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:04:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070201200500.8486783BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> I'd heard of them, and heard them once when driving on I-89. Check out the coverage page on their site: they said they increased their power from 18 to 80 watts but still have coverage problems. Being shoe-horned into the gap between WJMN and WHOM didn't help... From scott@fybush.com Thu Feb 1 14:19:50 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:19:50 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <45C23D56.7060608@fybush.com> Joseph Pappalardo wrote: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? You betcha. Great guy. Here's a visit to his station (partway down the page): http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-050715.html s From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 1 14:21:36 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:21:36 -0500 Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <004f01c745b6$e3c0db60$6600a8c0@tony> Message-ID: <019501c74636$31465660$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Nice job you're doing at 'KXL (I listen when I'm in Concord going to/from State House)! Paul Hopfgarten State Representative (R) Rockingham District #5 PO Box 246 Derry, New Hampshire (603) 437-1240 paul@derrynh.net -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of radiotony Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:10 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: RE: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" What I find amazing about all this is that anyone - whether it was cops, govt officials, whomever - could possibly confuse a bunch of Lite Brites as bombs or a potential terrorist attack. Best, Tony Schinella From paul@derrynh.net Thu Feb 1 14:29:20 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:29:20 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <019601c74637$459903f0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which Can be picked up in Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Pappalardo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:40 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org; A. Joseph Ross; Laurence Glavin Cc: arts@wkxl1450.com Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring classical music to his town. He started his own (legal) "LP" station. Seems to cover Concord very well! http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. ;-) Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 1 16:49:51 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:49:51 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <019601c74637$459903f0$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <000f01c7464b$06c1bc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, maybe the music is to the liking of purists like Mr Glavin. If so, there would be virtually no cross-over of the play-list or listeners from 99.5. But let's not get Laurence started again. He hasn't taught most of us (certainly hasn't taught me) to appreciate his musical taste, but he has taught us that classical formats aren't all created equal. I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hopfgarten" To: "'Joseph Pappalardo'" ; ; "'A. Joseph Ross'" ; "'Laurence Glavin'" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: RE: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which Can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Joseph Pappalardo > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:40 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org; A. Joseph Ross; Laurence Glavin > Cc: arts@wkxl1450.com > Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > > Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to bring > classical music to his town. > > He started his own (legal) "LP" station. > > Seems to cover Concord very well! > > http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp > > In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it was for > Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist appointment. > ;-) > > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? > > From Joe@attorneyross.com Thu Feb 1 17:58:58 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:58:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <000f01c7464b$06c1bc80$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost> On 1 Feb 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I > believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so > we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our > world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. I haven't looked at the playlist, but I did turn off WCRB and listen to the WCNH streaming, and I've been enjoying it. There have been some operatic pieces that I didn't like, but they didn't last long, and I'm enjoying most of what they're playing. I also like the absence of loud intrusive commercials. This has the feel of the old WBCN, and I like it. WCRB has been continuing its habit of playing the same stuff over and over again, and lately I've been getting tired of hearing the first movement to Beethoven's 6th symphony. So while I'm delighted not to have to re-tune my radio several times a day, as I had to do at 102.5, I think I'm going to give the radio a rest and listen to WCNH for awhile. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Feb 1 18:35:08 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:35:08 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Well, nobody can accuse WCRB of being very adventurous in its music selection. I would be quite interested to know the total number of selections in their rotation. A few weeks ago, I guessed at 40 total. I think the number is actually a little higher, but not a lot. There are so many thoroughly familiar selections in the limited genre of old war-horses that they play, I can't imagine that that they'd turn off any of the listeners with ultra-conservative taste to whom they seem to want to cater were they to double, triple, or even quintuple the play-list. I put myself in the ultra-conservative category when it comes to classical-music preferences and even I get bored with Pir Gynt twice a day. For starters, how about the best of Trendall-Campbell-Muir (themes from the serials that originated at WXYZ Detroit in the '40s): Finale from Rossini's Overture to William Tell (Lone Ranger), Rimsky-Korsakov's Flight of the BumbleBee (Green Hornat), Risnecek's Donna Diana Overture (Challenge of the Yukon). Talk about war horses! I've not heard one of those in weeks of listening to WCRB. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > On 1 Feb 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > > > I doubt that Methuen is in range of an LPFM in Concord NH, but I > > believe that WCNH-LP both streams and posts its play-lists on line, so > > we should soon get a report on the station's acceptability from our > > world-be arbiter of taste in classical music. > > I haven't looked at the playlist, but I did turn off WCRB and listen > to the WCNH streaming, and I've been enjoying it. There have been > some operatic pieces that I didn't like, but they didn't last long, > and I'm enjoying most of what they're playing. I also like the > absence of loud intrusive commercials. This has the feel of the old > WBCN, and I like it. > > WCRB has been continuing its habit of playing the same stuff over and > over again, and lately I've been getting tired of hearing the first > movement to Beethoven's 6th symphony. So while I'm delighted not to > have to re-tune my radio several times a day, as I had to do at > 102.5, I think I'm going to give the radio a rest and listen to WCNH > for awhile. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 21:45:14 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:45:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong" In-Reply-To: <042c01c745bf$ca276d00$50789c04@p133> Message-ID: <587003.76262.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> > or are we aroun Boston subconsciously feeling guilty > for 9-11 & the NYC WTC, > like trying to re-earn the favor of the country by > watching extra > cautiously? Huh? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From francini@mac.com Fri Feb 2 00:21:25 2007 From: francini@mac.com (John Francini) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:21:25 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: I've been listening for the past three hours over the Net whilst doing some late-night work. From a peruse of their website, it appears they simply broadcast the Beethoven Satellite Network most of the week, with other stuff either locally produced or from WFMT on the weekends, and a local program at 19:00. The site also claims that they signed on three years ago. Even so, this appears to be a wider range of classical music than WCRB has been playing, without the ads. Highly listenable. Maybe not perfect, but certainly decent. j At 13:40 -0500 2/1/07, Joseph Pappalardo wrote: >Here is the story of an industrious guy who decided he wanted to >bring classical music to his town. > >He started his own (legal) "LP" station. > >Seems to cover Concord very well! > >http://www.wcnh.org/default.asp > >In the digital age, it appears that it's much easier to run than it >was for Simon Geler of WVCA...who would sign-off if he had a dentist >appointment. ;-) > >Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? -- John Francini, francini@mac.com "The journey is more important than the destination-that's part of life. If you only live for getting to the end, you're almost always disappointed." -Donald Knuth From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Feb 2 01:07:46 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:07:46 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: References: <010f01c74630$7ebd53e0$6701a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <17858.54578.428322.919658@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > From a peruse of their website, it appears they simply broadcast the > Beethoven Satellite Network most of the week, with other stuff either > locally produced or from WFMT on the weekends, and a local program at > 19:00. I remember Harry talking about the process of choosing a programming service, and he said that the WFMT people were great to work with. It's not actually satellite-delivered; he downloads the programs from Beethoven over a cable modem to the station's automation system. There was another service that he said was pretty unfriendly to LPFMs (don't remember which one it was and if I did I wouldn't want to break confidences). -GAWollman From tmw207@netzero.com Thu Feb 1 12:51:31 2007 From: tmw207@netzero.com (Terry Wood) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") References: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> Great comments. I think that the new commish over reacted to this, when one look could have told him that it weren't a bomb. Just a bomb of a promotion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Werme" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") > >From various notes on the topic > >> Of course, we now know it's a hoax. > >>No, we don't know it's a hoax; > >> but why haven't other cities found it necessary to react so violently > >> Absolutely not. If these devices had been written off as a prank, and >> one of them blew up, we'd be ripping the Boston police department to >> shreds. > >> ok, people, I gotta be at my worst level of sarcasm re paranoia > > Personally, I think this was an ill-considered plan at best. The person > who reported the suspicious object did fine. I was in London once and saw > sign asking for such reports (back in IRA days). The initial response > may have been okay. I do think bomb squad people are too quick to blast > things with their water cannon, and this is one such case, but that > action was defensible. However, the actions and reactions since that > first event have turned into the theatre of the absurd. And why did the > bomb squad think it was a bomb? It could have been radiological or > biological > device in which case blowing it up would be the _worst_ thing to do. > > By the way, I got a Po 210 refill for my Staticmaster dust brush a few > days ago. $14.50 plus shipping from New York City. The instructions > include "Keep away from children or persons who are unable to observe > these > simple precautions." I bought a 35 mm slide scanner and boy, can it image > dust! Umm, where was I? Oh yeah, > > I drove my wife to the Manchester(/Boston) airport today and heard two > separate cost estimates - $1,000,000 and $750,000. These go along with > yesterday's $500,000, $600,000, and $700,000. I heard today's numbers on > WBZ, making this post related to Boston radio. So there! > > Turner may have gotten that much advertising, I suspect they should pay it > and move on. > > The people who were arrested perhaps should be charged for littering and > tried on Court TV. > > Had this been a Real Terrorst Attack, why oh why would these devices be > placed > in plain view? Unless the terrorist organization were all real idiots, > they'd > be planted on the _other_ side of beams or tucked between things (which > would > increase damage). > > These were not the size of car bombs, perhaps some high tech explosives > would cause some injuries, but there's no chance they'd take a bridge > down. During a coal mining strike when at was in college in Pittsburgh, > someone exploded a few sticks of dynamite at the base of a bridge. The > shockwave just reflected away from the concrete and nothing was damaged. > The people who shot a truck carrying dynamite on the PA Turnpike did > better, crater, killed truck driver and injured themselves. > > While I fully understand that the bomb squad is a bunch of trained > paranoiacs > and have no sense of humor, that's no excuse to abandon common sense. So > many things about the objects were wrong, I think deserve any criticism > they get for their reponse _after_ the first sign. > > Mayor Menino should be leaning on Turner Broadcasting for reimbursement, > but he should be saying "We will be talking with Turner and expect that > they will reimburse us for our costs" instead of taking the incensed > play-acting politician route. If he's not careful, someone might note > the character on the sign was a Mooninite and suggest that future shows > call their leader Mayor Moonino. Of course, I would never mention that. > > I might mention that the Mayor et al learn about "LED throwies" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwies There's a good chance that > inspired this advertising campaign. > > What else might the late-night comics say? This all seems way too > easy.... > > "What did Homeland Security know and when did they know it?" > (Some enterprising reporter found a web page with a headline like > "Who's putting signs on our Bridges," but Googling that didn't work.) > Aren't these people suppose to be on top of what's happening here? > > "Homeland security announces new post of Guerilla Marketing Czar." > That way, Turner and the marketing company could alert Homeland > Security about such plans. > > "Indecency complaints filed about obscene gesture by Mooninite." > I'm amazed at what the media has done with the middle finger "salute." > Some media pixelated it, I saw one shot with the full display, a cut > to a talking head, then a cut to a different scene with pixelation. > Good Morning America has one of the signs, but they cut out the LEDs > for the finger (assuming it really is a finger). That probably will > hurt resale value on Ebay.... The Union Leader, being a newspaper > simply cropped their photo, see > http://www.unionleader.com/uploads/media-items/2007/january/feb1boston_175px.jpg > Turner sells bumper stickers of the image and "Mayor Menino." > Turner could send him the proceeds as part of restitution. I suspect > we'll > be seeing a lot more of that LED image in the next few months. > > And, of course, "Banned in Boston" > > -Ric Werme > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 000709-2, 02/01/2007 > Tested on: 2/1/2007 12:45:19 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000709-2, 02/01/2007 Tested on: 2/1/2007 12:51:59 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Feb 2 02:09:31 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:09:31 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C29D5B.3282.882EE1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Feb 2007 at 18:35, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, nobody can accuse WCRB of being very adventurous in its music > selection. I would be quite interested to know the total number of > selections in their rotation. A few weeks ago, I guessed at 40 total. I > think the number is actually a little higher, but not a lot. The article in last week's TAB says that the current management cut the number in half. > There are so > many thoroughly familiar selections in the limited genre of old war-horses > that they play, I can't imagine that that they'd turn off any of the > listeners with ultra-conservative taste to whom they seem to want to cater > were they to double, triple, or even quintuple the play-list. My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care if they recognize the selection being played. There are lots of Mozart and Haydn symphonies, and they all sound good. The classical audience doesn't want to hear the same three selections over and over. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 09:56:54 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:56:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Paul Hopfgarten wondered: > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) On my commute from north of Concord to Nashua, I could listen to WCNH from near home to the liquor store and WCRB from just north of the tolls to Nashua, though I usually wound up listening to WBZ and enjoy the traffic reports that didn't affect me. Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising than ad sales. They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. The map is pretty accurate, some hills between me and the transmitter make reception at home pretty problematic, though it's surprisingly good today). At the I93 interchange I usually use, Exit 17, near Boyce on the coverage map, reception is much better. Canterbury does pretty well, thanks to hills that partially block the 800 lb gorilla WHOM. I was an early donor and filed some reception reports during their testing. They went online in March 2004 with a reception at a Concord restaurant and remote broadcast, etc. I think the first piece played was Fanfare for a Common Man. (We were _not_ at the Common Man restaurant though.) I might be wrong, fuzzy memory. Ah, I'm right, see http://www.mediaaccess.org/programs/lpfm/ConcordMonitorLPFM.htm Joseph Pappalardo asked: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? Scott's reply summed things up pretty well. The early programming was from .mp3 files Harry ripped. He had and has some involvement with WEVO, and used some of their CDs. I don't think knew a lot about classical music before he started planning WCNH, but after deciding on a classical format, he's gotten fond of it. I'm not sure if it was signal problems or too-low sampling, but there were times driving through what should be good reception and the the fidelity was poor. Hard to describe, just hard to listen to. Sub-audible multi-path interference was about the best I could call it, but I'm not sure that exists mathematically. The tuner stayed in sync so it ought to have scrounged decent content. At any rate, carrying the BSN (Beethoven Satellite Network) from WFMT and Peter Van DeGraff was a good move. Fidelity is fine, at least on car radio quality receivers. The programming is a couple steps up from today's WCRB. If it gets too weird, I can fallback to WCRB or WBZ or oldies at WNNH. Meanwhile WCRB listeners fed up with yet another Dance Macabre can step up to WCNH. -Ric Werme From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 10:01:06 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:01:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. Message-ID: <20070202150106.597BB46753@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> See http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/ I can pass on anything you'd like. Like comments on WCRB's new channel or WCNH plans for the future. Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. -Ric Werme From hykker@grolen.com Fri Feb 2 10:14:06 2007 From: hykker@grolen.com (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:14:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070202145654.27E6946754@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <48601.63.118.166.2.1170429246.squirrel@63.118.166.2> Ric Werme said... > They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their > coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space > with WEVO, NH Public Radio. Unless they've moved, this isn't entirely true. While their tx is in the same part of town as NHPR, they actually broadcast from a separate facility a half-mile or so away. From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 09:55:49 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Paul Hopfgarten wondered: > I wonder if or how the switch of WCRB to 99.5, which can be picked up in > Concord will affect WCNH-LP. (when CRB was a 102.5, the bleed from WHKK(?) > 102.3 made it unlistenable North of the Hooksett Tolls) On my commute from north of Concord to Nashua, I could listen to WCNH from near home to the liquor store and WCRB from just north of the tolls to Nashua, though I usually wound up listening to WBZ and enjoy the traffic reports that didn't affect me. Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising than ad sales. They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. The map is pretty accurate, some hills between me and the transmitter make reception at home pretty problematic, though it's surprisingly good today). At the I93 interchange I usually use, Exit 17, near Boyce on the coverage map, reception is much better. Canterbury does pretty well, thanks to hills that partially block the 800 lb gorilla WHOM. I was an early donor and filed some reception reports during their testing. They went online in March 2004 with a reception at a Concord restaurant and remote broadcast, etc. I think the first piece played was Fanfare for a Common Man. (We were _not_ at the Common Man restaurant though.) I might be wrong, fuzzy memory. Ah, I'm right, see http://www.mediaaccess.org/programs/lpfm/ConcordMonitorLPFM.htm Joseph Pappalardo asked: > Does anyone know anything about Harry Kozlowski? Scott's reply summed things up pretty well. The early programming was from .mp3 files Harry ripped. He had and has some involvement with WEVO, and used some of their CDs. I don't think knew a lot about classical music before he started planning WCNH, but after deciding on a classical format, he's gotten fond of it. I'm not sure if it was signal problems or too-low sampling, but there were times driving through what should be good reception and the the fidelity was poor. Hard to describe, just hard to listen to. Sub-audible multi-path interference was about the best I could call it, but I'm not sure that exists mathematically. The tuner stayed in sync so it ought to have scrounged decent content. At any rate, carrying the BSN (Beethoven Satellite Network) from WFMT and Peter Van DeGraff was a good move. Fidelity is fine, at least on car radio quality receivers. The programming is a couple steps up from today's WCRB. If it gets too weird, I can fallback to WCRB or WBZ or oldies at WNNH. Meanwhile WCRB listeners fed up with yet another Dance Macabre can step up to WCNH. -Ric Werme From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 11:53:10 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. Message-ID: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I noted earlier: > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. -Ric Werme Hello, I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that meets LPFM separation requirements. So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. Harry Kozlowski WCNH-LP From 273482@comcast.net Fri Feb 2 02:34:15 2007 From: 273482@comcast.net (Maine Man) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:34:15 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <000b01c74659$9fae9180$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <45C29D5B.3282.882EE1@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care > if they recognize the selection being played. That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". There are the Glavinators.....and then there are the more pedestrian who enjoy classical radio. I am guessing there are more of the latter. Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Feb 2 12:14:05 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:14:05 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. References: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c746ed$90c6f560$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Never is a very long time! As we've learned from WCRB, so is 99 years. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Werme" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. > I noted earlier: > > > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. > > It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. > I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time > to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! > > More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot > to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes > horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. > > -Ric Werme > > Hello, > > I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks > for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that > were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and > 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 > 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally > we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that > pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. > > We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we > created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord > transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also > contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of > it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and > have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs > automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is > our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's > technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality > classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the > way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! > > And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions > and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it > weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as > 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that > meets LPFM separation requirements. > > So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 > 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of > WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the > Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have > a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is > just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially > if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It > would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's > future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents > us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. > > Harry Kozlowski > WCNH-LP From me@billoneill.us Fri Feb 2 12:28:44 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:28:44 -0500 Subject: Banned in Boston (was Turner Broadcasting:"Stunt Gone Wrong") In-Reply-To: <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> References: <20070201154258.BFA7F4670B@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <001401c74629$abb9c330$3e3d9441@p> Message-ID: <45C374CC.40002@billoneill.us> Terry Wood wrote: > Great comments. I think that the new commish over reacted to this, > when one look could have told him that it weren't a bomb. Just a bomb > of a promotion. Ed Davis just moved into the big chair after a decent run as the Lowell Police Chief. I think he did what he had to do given the Light Bright Lunatics. Did you see those guys on the news talking about their hair? Small market. If any good can come of it, there was a solid mobilization effort. It's just good that no one got hurt in the process. I noticed that Fox News tapped Fox 25 while MSNBC captured WHDH. I was impressed with the whdh live stream. It was good to be connected, especially when no one knew the outcome. As for radio, it's another example of how stations like WRKO are rolling the dice that the absence of a proprietary news team will not play into the potential irrelevance of the medium as technologies move ahead. Bill O'Neill From readaaron@friedbagels.com Fri Feb 2 11:56:08 2007 From: readaaron@friedbagels.com (Aaron Read) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:56:08 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <45C36D28.80707@friedbagels.com> >> They've been at 80 watts for a couple years now. If you look at >> their coverage map, I'm close to the Penacook marker. WCNH shares >> antenna space with WEVO, NH Public Radio. > >Unless they've moved, this isn't entirely true. While their tx is in >the same part of town as NHPR, they actually broadcast from a separate >facility a half-mile or so away. > I can't speak for facilities, but I know NHPR was at least informally helping WCNH wherever they could. There were many people still unhappy about NHPR's switch to all news/talk a few years back and I understand many of them were made happy when they learned about WCNH. -- -------------------------- Aaron Read readaaron@friedbagels.com Boston, MA 02446-2204 http://friedbagels.blogspot.com From paul@derrynh.net Fri Feb 2 13:02:46 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. In-Reply-To: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Re WCRB (and Harry's plan for Rhumba 99.5) how does the "99 year" plan play into this (Although the frequency swap sort of breaks the agreement anyways, no?) Paul Hopfgarten Derry, N H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Ric Werme Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:53 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Cc: harry@wcnh.org Subject: Re: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. I noted earlier: > Reception here in Penacook is pretty good today, any idea why? It > may be that WHOM is only coming in good instead of great, of course. It's sagged to typical at-home too noisy to listen quality. Ah well. I'm not a dx'er. I don't have equipment to be a dx'er, I don't have time to be a dx'er. I don't want to be a dx'er! No! Temptation go away! More to the point, attached is a response from Harry. There's a lot to be said for going to the horse's mouth. I don't know if Harry likes horses, but I'm sure he'd less like a reference to the other end. -Ric Werme Hello, I thought my ears were ringing...or was that my modem beeping? Thanks for discussing our little station. Let me clarify a few points that were brought up. Our tower is about a quarter-mile east of the 89.1 and 102.3 towers, on a 100-foot stick down the hill. We signed on Feb 29 2004, so officially we haven't had our first birthday yet! Originally we broadcast ripped CD music from the NHPR library, but gave up on that pretty quick when we joined BSN from WFMT. We get our programming from Chicago via our own "content depot" we created. Each file is transferred by an automatic FTP to our Concord transmitter site, where it becomes part of a Winamp playlist that also contains local underwriting messages. Yes, WCNH gets just about all of it's programming from WFMT, although we also carry the Met Opera, and have gone out and recorded some local concerts to air. It runs automated, and it's basically a one-man operation (me.) Simon Gellar is our patron saint! (Imagine what he could have done with today's technology.) The important thing is we achieve our mission: quality classical music programming 24/7 with minimal intrusion. And by the way, no one has ever wondered why Peter Van de Graaf is on 24 hours a day! And we do it on an annual budget of about $30K. Member contributions and underwriters cover the bill. We'd have a pretty decent signal if it weren't for WHOM. We might as well be on 105.3 or 102.1 for as loud as 94.9 comes into Concord. Unfortunately 94.7 is the only channel that meets LPFM separation requirements. So it's you guys maxing out our audio streams! We currently have 10 64kb streams. We may have to bump it up to 20. As far as the effect of WCRB, there has been none yet. WCRB has done no real promotion in the Concord area, so few folks even know they are there. Those that do have a pretty low opinion of what they are playing. My feeling, and this is just my opinion, is that Nassau will grow tired of classical, especially if revenue goals aren't met, and will eventually bag the format. It would not shock me to read about the new "Rhumba 99.5" in one of Scott's future columns. The charter of Highland Community Broadcasting prevents us from playing anything but classical music, so we can never change. Harry Kozlowski WCNH-LP From lglavin@mail.com Fri Feb 2 16:21:27 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:21:27 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070202212128.37A991024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maine Man" <273482@comcast.net> >To: "A. Joseph Ross" , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:34:15 -0500 >That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". >There are the *Glavinators.....and then there are the more >pedestrian who enjoy classical radio. Or the audience for KING-FM. In the last three months (preactically) that WCRB was owned by Charles River, they got almost exactly the same rating 12-and-over as KING-FM while the latter was playing some lengthy works in full, recorded opera (the Met season hadn't started), 20th-Century music that WCRB would never play, and some vocal music not related to the December 25th holiday...pretty much how I would program such a station. BULLETIN BULLETIN they even scheduled a gigantic Bruckner Symphony (an Austrian composer not the clumsy ballpayer) that I would only run on a Sunday night from 9:00 to 10:30 NEVER on a weekday night! >Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. First of all...this came up on the radio-info.com/Boston board: the term "song" doesn't quite apply to classical music even relatively short pieces. Unbeknownst to many, composers of symphonies, concertos and operas DID in fact write songs, but the kind of station LEAST likely to play them is a very basic "classical favorites" outlet like WCRB or KDFC. Some pop radio stations will probably have "greatest love songs of all time" programming around February 14th; they will probably overlook Beethoven's "Dedicated to my loved one far away", Schubert's "Serenade" and Tchaikovsky's "None but the lonely heart". I may check KING-FM's playlist to see if THEY play some of these pieces. And as to hearing only what they already like...what's the cutoff point? *The "Saturday Night Live" guy who did that bit did not advance to a great post-SNL career. = Juicers at LivingRight.com Find quality appliances and health products at LivingRight.com. We carry name-brand juicers, grain mills, dehydrators, water purifiers, blenders, food processors, cookware, sprouters, etc. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=7c47caa808880c69903e5beb3dd41271 From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Feb 3 19:26:36 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:26:36 -0500 Subject: Eric Von Schmidt has died Message-ID: <20070204002437.75D5E5C022E@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> If you grew up here in the 60s, you may recall the folk boom, and all of the up and coming artists who performed in Boston and Cambridge clubs for cheap. One of them was Eric Von Schmidt, singer, songwriter, a talented musician whose songs were performed by Bob Dylan, Tom Rush, and many other folkies. He also jammed with Jim Kweskin and the Jug Band and sometimes sang with Maria Muldaur. Eric Von Schmidt battled cancer for several years, and finally succumbed yesterday, at age 75. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Feb 3 20:21:56 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:21:56 -0500 Subject: Eric Von Schmidt has died Message-ID: <20070204012156.5E67D49B6BE@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >> Eric Von Schmidt battled cancer for several years, and finally succumbed yesterday, at age 75. I heard the news about Von Schmidt on the way back from Vermont today. I think he wrote or adapted "Wasn't That A Mighty Storm" which Tom Rush and Nanci Griffith covered. Think he was mentioned more than a few times in a book I have about the folk scene, Richie Unterberger's "Turn! Turn! Turn" From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 3 21:57:39 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:57:39 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th Message-ID: <005b01c74808$3d1011b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I happened to tune in to WLOB-FM in Portland at noon today (simulcasting WLOB-AM) and serendipitously discovered that WLOB was celebrating its 50th anniversary with a very nicely done special broadcast. The program included a tape of the first few minutes of WLOB's first broadcast on February 3, 1957. It included a letter from the then-governor, Edmund Muskie, and a surprisingly long recorded greeting from Senator Margaret Chase Smith, who evidenced no small knowledge of the broadcasting industry, especially in Maine. There were also interviews with Melvin Stone, the original station manager, and Howie Leonard, who was there at the beginning and is now a part-time newscaster at WOKQ in Dover/Portsmouth. WLOB was started as a mostly-music alternative to the two dominant network stations then in Portland, WGAN (CBS) and WCSH (NBC). In the '60s it became a very popular Top 40 station (one of few with that format that was a CBS affiliate in the mid- to late '60s), then later went with religious programming under Carter Broadcasting ownership, and is now a popular conservative talk station. The FM blankets virtually all of central and southern Maine. I didn't get to hear the whole broadcast, as I was on my way to a funeral. I'll find out Monday if CDs are going to be available. -Doug P.S.: Happy anniversary as well to WGY, which will be 85 tomorrow. Sadly, there's nothing in the website that makes mention of it. From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Feb 3 22:16:14 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Daniel Billings) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:16:14 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th In-Reply-To: <005b01c74808$3d1011b0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <000001c7480a$d7776f30$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> J.J. Jeffrey owns WLOB. He is one of the few owners who would consider such history to be important. The current WLOB-FM has a much different history than WLOB. It was formerly WWMR Rumford before being bought by Carter Broadcasting. The current 97.9 WJBQ was the original WLOB-FM in the early 70's and there was later a WL)B-FM at 100.9, which is now WYNZ-FM. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Feb 3 22:59:31 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:59:31 -0500 Subject: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th References: <000001c7480a$d7776f30$e7c105cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <006701c74810$e03e3bc0$6501a8c0@pastor2> My goodness, the FM has a convoluted history! I can add more: The current WLOB-FM that was WWMR was WRUM-FM even before that. I remember that when I first came here in the mid-'70s it simulcast the parent AM, which was a real old-fashioned small-town full service station. (CBS affiliate.) I think Mel Stone may have owned WRUM at the time. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Billings" To: "'Doug Drown'" ; "'Boston Radio Interest Board'" Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: RE: WLOB Portland Celebrates 50th J.J. Jeffrey owns WLOB. He is one of the few owners who would consider such history to be important. The current WLOB-FM has a much different history than WLOB. It was formerly WWMR Rumford before being bought by Carter Broadcasting. The current 97.9 WJBQ was the original WLOB-FM in the early 70's and there was later a WL)B-FM at 100.9, which is now WYNZ-FM. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:00 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:00 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 9:55, Ric Werme wrote: > Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their > popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will > be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising > than ad sales. I've been enjoying listening to WCNH in my office, where I have a DSL line. At home, where I still have dialup, the streaming has constant drop-outs. So I've been listening to other classical stations online which don't have that problem. Right now I'm listening to Bayern 4 Klassic from Munich. I can't understand much of the announcements, but the music is great. In the past I've also listened to BBC Radio 3, but they seem to have changed the URL of their streaming, and I haven't gotten around to looking for them again. I've also listened to classical music on WFCR and CBC Radio 1. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:00 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:00 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <45C52200.17798.91E8CC@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 2:34, Maine Man wrote: > > > My thought exactly. And the classical audience doesn't really care > > if they recognize the selection being played. > > That depends on how you define "the clasical audience". > > There are the Glavinators.....and then there are the more pedestrian who > enjoy classical radio. > > I am guessing there are more of the latter. > > Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. Classical music is not songs. All I know is that everyone I know who listens to WCRB remarks how annoying their repetitive playlist is. Classical radio is not pop radio, and what works for pop radio doesn't necessarily work for classical radio. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Feb 4 00:00:01 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:00:01 -0500 Subject: Hey, Harry, we're talking about you. In-Reply-To: <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <20070202165310.3963A44064@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <011f01c746f4$58036310$2f01a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <45C52201.9511.91EBA1@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Feb 2007 at 13:02, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Re WCRB (and Harry's plan for Rhumba 99.5) how does the "99 year" plan play > into this (Although the frequency swap sort of breaks the agreement anyways, > no?) Probably. I've speculated here that they probably bought out anyone who had the power to enforce the terms of the Ted Jones Trust, and the sale to Nassau probably mollified anyone who had any qualms about taking the money. But since the Trust is no longer involved in the ownership of what is now WCRB, it has no effect unless the sale terms provided for it, which I doubt. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Feb 4 11:58:02 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:58:02 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is probably NOT your dialup connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely the connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that serves your home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your present ISP when you get high-speed Internet service at home, the dropout problem is likely to persist. (I recommend keeping your present ISP when you switch to broadband because--although there are allegedly ways around the problem, for a an additional monthly fee--keeping your existing ISP should allow you to retain your present e-mail addresses. Changing your e-mail addresses can turn out to be EXTREMELY painful and the way around THOSE problems--as described to me by an IT guy--sounds, in my opinion, at best highly questionable because, as a practical matter, does anyone even attempt to keep track of everyone who needs to know their e-mail address?) -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Ric Werme" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: RE: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > On 2 Feb 2007 at 9:55, Ric Werme wrote: > > > Even though I can get WCRB in the area and at home, the repetition of their > > popular _subset_ (not all pieces play 5 times a week!) means there will > > be a place for WCNH. Besides, WCNH's "success" is more due to fundraising > > than ad sales. > > I've been enjoying listening to WCNH in my office, where I have a DSL > line. At home, where I still have dialup, the streaming has constant > drop-outs. So I've been listening to other classical stations online > which don't have that problem. Right now I'm listening to Bayern 4 > Klassic from Munich. I can't understand much of the announcements, > but the music is great. In the past I've also listened to BBC Radio > 3, but they seem to have changed the URL of their streaming, and I > haven't gotten around to looking for them again. I've also listened > to classical music on WFCR and CBC Radio 1. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From scott@fybush.com Sun Feb 4 12:20:58 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:20:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of > the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, > I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without > dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is > probably NOT your dialup connection. Maybe, maybe not. I haven't looked to see what WCNH is doing for streaming, but if you're trying to access a high-bandwidth stream on a slow connection, you can easily end up with buffering problems that will result in audio dropouts. In that scenario, upgrading to a faster connection at home will make everything better. As for keeping one's e-mail address, the easiest way is to buy your own domain name, as Messrs. Ross and Wollman can attest. It's incredibly inexpensive these days (I can't imagine paying much more than $10 a year), and that way you can change the underlying ISP as often as you want, while never changing the address you give out. I expect to be scott at fybush dot com for as long as our present naming conventions hold out. s From me@billoneill.us Sun Feb 4 13:58:58 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:58:58 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> <45C52200.28158.91E822@joe.attorneyross.com> <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <45C615FA.4090709@fybush.com> Message-ID: <45C62CF2.1060108@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > > As for keeping one's e-mail address, the easiest way is to buy your > own domain name, as Messrs. Ross and Wollman can attest. It's > incredibly inexpensive these days (I can't imagine paying much more > than $10 a year), and that way you can change the underlying ISP as > often as you want, while never changing the address you give out. I > expect to be scott at fybush dot com for as long as our present naming > conventions hold out. > > s I can't argue with that, either, although it can lead to occasional ribbing from fellow listers . billoneill.us From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Feb 4 18:02:13 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:02:13 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> As the Super Bowl starts, Ch 4 is launching its rumored rebranding. Those soft-pedaled call letters are back in a big way. CBS4? No way, it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) 4... From m1bz@hotmail.com Sun Feb 4 18:14:46 2007 From: m1bz@hotmail.com (Michael E) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:14:46 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The changeover (change back?) has been fitful and erratic. They've been calling the newscast CBS 4, but having reporters lock out with WBZ News or some such version. I wonder if they feared people would forget who they were had they dropped the CBS 4 name all at once back when the announcement was made? I hope you can see me chuckling... >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > >Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:02:13 -0500 > >As the Super Bowl starts, Ch 4 is launching its rumored rebranding. Those >soft-pedaled call letters are >back in a big way. CBS4? No way, it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) >4... > > _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. 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References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <010501c7469c$8f7db050$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C52200.17798.91E8CC@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> > All I know is that everyone I know who listens to WCRB remarks how > annoying their repetitive playlist is. Classical radio is not pop > radio, and what works for pop radio doesn't necessarily work for > classical radio. Well, the sucess of the present incarnation of WCRB has yet to be seen. However, WCRB (102.5) was considered one of the most sucessful Clasical stations in the country. The same factors that work for pop radio brought WCRB it's highest ratings ever. 102.5 enjoyed it's most sucessful years when it increased it's repetition and started playing shorter peices. 99.5 seems to be following the same recipe, albeit a little more "clunkily". From Donad_astelle@yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 01:15:34 2007 From: Donad_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:15:34 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. References: <20070202212128.37A991024B@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00a701c74823$ee303360$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> >> Or the audience for KING-FM. In the last three months (preactically) that WCRB was owned by Charles River, they got almost exactly the same rating 12-and-over as KING-FM while the latter was playing some lengthy works in full, recorded opera << The exact same number 12+....but what were the demos? And what was the billing? I would guess that the 'shorter works' allows WCRB to air more commercials more effeciently, thereby providing more revenue. I am also going to guess that the WCRB formula provides for a younger demo than KING-FM, which again would result in more revenue. > >Most people enjoy hearing songs they recognize and like. >> First of all...this came up on the radio-info.com/Boston board: the term "song" doesn't quite apply to classical music even relatively short pieces. << And I suppose some people like "movies", while others like "film". The "film" lovers would tell you theres a big difference. ;-) >>And as to hearing only what they already like...what's the cutoff point? The cutoff point is where listership and profits go up! >>*The "Saturday Night Live" guy who did that bit did not advance to a great post-SNL career. << Never saw it.... From lglavin@mail.com Sun Feb 4 13:18:09 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:18:09 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A" >To: "Laurence Glavin" , "A. Joseph Ross" , "Dan Strassberg" >Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:15:34 -0500 >> >The exact same number 12+....but what were the demos? And what was the billing? The bostonradiowatch.com board reported last year that over the last two-or-so years of Charlesa River "management", WCRB's revenues plummeted from $8.4 to $7.5 million...radio in general was flat, especially in Boston which tumbled out of the top-10 markets...but still that mucho dinero. >I am also going to guess that the WCRB formula provides for a >younger demo than KING-FM, which again would result in more revenue. I'm glad you used the word 'guess" (were you at the same time wearing Guess Jeans?); on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" two weeks ago, in reaction to the Williamson turn WETA underwent, a composer/conductor named John Corigliano discussed introducing young people to "classical music" and he said unequivocally that modern music, such as Stravinsky (he gave the example of "Rite of Spring", a piece selected by Walt Disney for his movie, or film, "Fantasia"), Bartok, Prokofiev etc made a much greater impression than earlier music, Mozart, Bach, Haydn. = "Mini" Face Lift - San Francisco Dramatic results with less downtime, discomfort, cost. Board certified surgeon with 25 years experience, proven techniques. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=497230cc816ff8639f90c0142ef4ef51 From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 1:08, Don A wrote: > Well, the sucess of the present incarnation of WCRB has yet to be seen. > > However, WCRB (102.5) was considered one of the most sucessful Clasical > stations in the country. Then why does the present management want to tamper with that success? > The same factors that work for pop radio brought WCRB it's highest ratings > ever. And as I've observed before, when I'm in my car and want classical music, I check WGBH, WHRB, and WCRB, and invariably WCRB is the station playing something I want to listen to. But that's not because they limit their playlist to playing the same ten items repeatedly, it's because they don't include a number of things that are unlistenable. WHRB apparently believes that it's their mission to play what nobody else does, which is fine, but there's a reason nobody else plays a lot of what they play. WGBH is somewhere in between and I seem to recall was greatly criticized a few years ago when they restricted their playlist to more listenable music. > 102.5 enjoyed it's most sucessful years when it increased it's repetition > and started playing shorter peices. And it also got a lot of listener complaints. They had a promo a few years ago touting their "listener line," in which they said that "you've told us you want to hear less repetition and whole symphonies, rather than excerpts." And they moderated the repetion and short pieces format a bit. > 99.5 seems to be following the same recipe, albeit a little more "clunkily". But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm tired of it. So instead I can turn my computer to any number of online channels which play something else. WCRB seems to obsess on certain pieces as if they're the current Number One Song, and play them until people get thoroughly sick of tiem. Then they finally take them out of rotation and turn to some other obsession. A number of years ago it was Beethoven's 8th that got the obsession treatment. Or the first movement, anyway. What I worry about is, if they drive away listeners with their pop format, will they decide to moderate the format or will they decide that there is no longer an audience for classical radio in Boston? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <20070202145549.5105046752@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net>, <004301c7487d$a8e15500$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <45C67923.17954.B0614A@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 11:58, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Somebody who knows more about this than I do (which, I think means MOST of > the people on this list) needs to authoritatively confirm or deny this, BUT, > I believe that if you can receive other classical music streams without > dropouts on your home dialup connection, your dropout problem at home is > probably NOT your dialup connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely > the connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that serves your > home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your present ISP when you get > high-speed Internet service at home, the dropout problem is likely to > persist. (I recommend keeping your present ISP when you switch to broadband > because--although there are allegedly ways around the problem, for a an > additional monthly fee--keeping your existing ISP should allow you to retain > your present e-mail addresses. Changing your e-mail addresses can turn out > to be EXTREMELY painful and the way around THOSE problems--as described to > me by an IT guy--sounds, in my opinion, at best highly questionable because, > as a practical matter, does anyone even attempt to keep track of everyone > who needs to know their e-mail address?) I'm guessing that WCNH's stream is too fast for a dialup connection. Whenever I get around to switching to broadband at home, I am thinking of keeping my present ISP, but not because of the e-mail address. I have my own domain, which resides on a different server than either the dialup provider I have at home or the DSL provider I have at the office, so my address stays the same whatever I do. I want to keep the present company so that I can still use dialup if I'm on the road, since I still use an old laptop with a dialup modem on the road. And, my same ISP has gotten the contract to provide wireless in Brookline, so whenever I upgrade my laptop, I'll be able to use their service seamlessly. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>, Message-ID: <45C67923.17957.B061DB@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Michael E wrote: > I wonder if they feared people would forget who they were had they dropped > the CBS 4 name all at once back when the announcement was made? There is a definite advantage to the "CBS4" moniker. It helps some of us who still keep forgetting which channel is CBS and which is NBC. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Feb 5 00:24:03 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:24:03 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070204181809.0A9731BF28E@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C67923.30509.B06277@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Feb 2007 at 13:18, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I'm glad you used the word 'guess" (were you at the same time wearing > Guess Jeans?); on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" two weeks ago, in reaction > to the Williamson turn WETA underwent, a composer/conductor named > John Corigliano discussed introducing young people to "classical music" > and he said unequivocally that modern music, such as Stravinsky (he gave the > example of "Rite of Spring", a piece selected by Walt Disney for his > movie, or film, "Fantasia"), Bartok, Prokofiev etc made a much greater > impression than earlier music, Mozart, Bach, Haydn. Well, that certainly isn't what WCRB is playing. Or any of the classical stations, for that matter. I think part of the problem is the downgrading of music education in schools. I remember learning about the earlier composers in 8th grade music class and getting hooked on them then. But these things go in cycles. Baroque music (Bach, Handel, etc.) got very popular in the late 60s. Somehow it seemed to fit the style of the times, with fancy designs on dress shirts and ties, tie-died T- shirts, etc. And there were the "Switched-On Bach" albums that played Bach on a synthesizer and the "Baroque Beatles Book" that played Beatles music in Baroque style. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 09:41:44 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:41:44 -0500 Subject: Red Sox reruns on WRKO Message-ID: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Heard WRKO run a promo saying listeners are being asked to vote for their seven most favorite Red Sox games and these games will be rebroadcast starting Feb 19, in "prime time" (sorry Savage fans, though they'd prob. run him afterwards) more info http://www.wrko.com//customform.asp?id=19421&view=scheduled From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 09:51:17 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:51:17 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: <20070205145117.DB73883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>There is a definite advantage to the "CBS4" moniker. It helps some of us who still keep forgetting which channel is CBS and which is NBC. The CBS eye is still there, though. The logo on their webpage has the W-B-Z blocks followed by the eye, and then "is always on wbztv.com". During the weather part of the news last night, I also noticed the Eye prominently displayed. ** So the CBS identity is still there at least visually. **--a memory: I forget who was being roasted, but one Dean Martin celebrity roast (NBC) was poking gentle fun at one CBS figure. After William S. Paley (IIRC) did his speech he turned around and a big huge CBS Eye was on the back of his suit, giving a plug to his network on "enemy territory" :) From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:36:02 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:36:02 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070204230213.E633383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C74EE2.20001@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > it's W-B-Z (each letter in a rectangle) 4... > > Brilliant. [cough] The Circle-K had to rank right up there with "Were 4...." File under: If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it. Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:38:22 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: Red Sox reruns on WRKO In-Reply-To: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070205144147.2CE5583985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45C74F6E.2050102@billoneill.us> Bob Nelson wrote: > Heard WRKO run a promo saying listeners are being asked to vote for their seven most favorite Red Sox > games and these games will be rebroadcast Makes one wonder what Jerry Williams would say about this programming decision. Good night, good luck to you. Bill O'Neill From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Feb 5 11:20:11 2007 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:20:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? Message-ID: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> I accidentally had my clock radio armed for 0545 Sunday and woke to the non-melodious strains of a sale pitch for some dietary supplement. I left it on and verified that the legal ID said WCRB and later found that they had not completely changed their format from oft-played classical shorts. >From their playlist archive, note 2 hour gap: 7:26 AM: STANLEY: Trumpet Voluntary, Opus 6 #5 (ens.; Burns, Stephen, trumpet) ASV Records DCA-528 5:26 AM: PUGNI: Pas de Quatre (finale #8) (Cincinnati Pops/Erich Kunzel) Telarc Records 80625 One half hour spot was from the local AGO (American Guild of Organists) which included a request for corporate sponsorship so that their 48 year presence on WCRB can continue. I guess they had a free ride until the new owners decided that wasn't paying the bills. I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Does anyone know what a half hour of early Sunday AM time sells for? Apparently I'm just behind the times, Google says there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pages referring to radio infomercial. Ah, only 720 if I quote it. A couple that might be worth following up: http://www.radioinfomercial.com/ This goes to a lame AOL hosted page. http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/the_media.htm This page is at least entertaining. Fellow is incensed about a live sales pitch while stuck in traffic and goes to the radio station and buys time for his infomercials. Or something like that. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. From me@billoneill.us Mon Feb 5 10:41:56 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:41:56 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. In-Reply-To: <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <45C22A62.15770.5EC52CC@localhost>, <00a601c74823$edd912b0$6501a8c0@DESKTOP2> <45C67923.26988.B060A5@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <45C75044.4000105@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > But nowadays there are alternatives to classical radio. I like > Beethoven's 6th Symphony, but I've been hearing it EVERY DAY, and I'm > tired of it. Sounds like TSL is not what they're going for. Maybe they should drop the towel and start jingling on the quarters. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Feb 5 12:49:15 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:49:15 -0500 Subject: More WCUW problems Message-ID: <20070205174924.122D583BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://wormtown.org/article.php?story=20070129165812279 More problems at WCUW; while the emergency fundraised helped them to get on the air again last Thu., they were unable to get on the air today so more repairs or a replacement for it are needed, plus they got a $1,500 electric bill...The transmitter problems could be due to icing at the transmitter site. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 13:03:50 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:03:50 -0500 Subject: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. Message-ID: > > From: "Dan Strassberg" > To: "A. Joseph Ross" , > , > "Garrett Wollman" > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:58:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: Guy starts a LP station in Concord. > > I believe that if you can receive other classical music > streams without dropouts on your home dialup connection, > your dropout problem at home is probably NOT your dialup > connection. Instead, the weak link is more likely the > connection between WCNH's servers and your ISP's POP that > serves your home neighborhood. Hence, if you keep your > present ISP when you get high-speed Internet service at > home, the dropout problem is likely to persist. That's not necessarily true. It may depend on whether WCNH may be streaming at a higher bitrate than your dial-up can allow through, which would explain why you can listen to the same stream on a broadband connection at work but not at home. The higher the streaming bitrate, the better the audio fidelity. However, the bandwidth of the connection limits its ability to process the higher bitrates depending on its capacity in relation to the bitrate of the stream. Picture a dial-up connection as a very narrow "bottleneck" in which digital information (the program you're listening to) must pass through to reach your home computer. Picture your broadband connection at work as a much larger portal. The higher the bitrate of the stream, the more information must be able to pass through the connection at any given moment. Much more information can pass through broadband than dial-up at any given moment. The same amount of information that can pass through the larger broadband connection at your work may not be able to pass through your home dial-up "bottleneck" without exceeding the capacity that it is able to allow through, creating digital "logjams", which manifest as dropouts. Dial-up connections, which are at most 56kbps, can not consistently process streams that are larger than that amount (and often have problems with some that may be a little under that amount as well) because they're simply too narrow to allow all that information through without "jamming up" and dropping out. You could ask WCNH at what bitrate they stream. If it is a larger amount than (or approaching) 56kbps, then that's your problem at home, and a broadband connection (even with the same ISP) will most likely solve it. Some stations offer different streams of the same program material at different bitrates to accommodate users with different types of connections. WMBR at MIT offers three different streams. They offer a full-fidelity stream at 128kbps which requires a high-speed broadband connection, plus a medium speed, medium fidelity stream at 64kbps which still requires broadband but will work with slower DSL services, etc... And finally, a 24kbps stream which has obviously muddy fidelity due to the limitations of audio streaming at that rate, but it allows WMBR to at be heard on the slowest dial-up connections anywhere. Stations that do all that are the exception, though. EP From kc1ih@mac.com Mon Feb 5 13:09:59 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:09:59 -0500 Subject: Presentation: "The History of Broadcast Radio" Message-ID: I thought this might be of interest to some of the people here: > >Marc Fisher, of the Washington Post, will be speaking in Andover on >Thursday, February 8, 2007 at 7:00 p.m at the Massachusetts School >of Law. The subject of Fisher's presentation will be the history of >broadcast radio based on his new book Radio, Rock and the Revolution >that Shaped a Generation . Fisher writes "The Listener," a radio >column in Post's Sunday Arts section. > >Ham Operators like Todd Storz, W9DYG, were instrumental in keeping >broadcast radio alive when television was rapidly expanding, >according to Fisher. New technology would not wipe out an old media >and radio survived, ultimately changing itself and the nation. For >radio aficionados this book is a must read. > >The event is free and open to the public. > >For more information on the book visit: >www.marcfisher.com > >For more information on the event contact: > >Jeff Demers, N1SNB >Massachusetts School of Law >500 Federal Street >Andover, MA >01810 >demers@mslaw.edu > >The event will take place at the 500 Federal Street address. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 13:01:12 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:01:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Infomercials on WCRB!? In-Reply-To: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <20070205162012.009E5467AE@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31390.12.37.144.130.1170698472.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 11:20, Ric Werme wrote: > I don't think I ever heard an infomercial on radio before. Wow. That's amazing. Here in New York, infomercials on the radio are a BIG thing, since it's easy cash for radio stations. Among the local stations that do them, on weekend daytimes and nighttimes: WMCA-AM 57, WOR-710, WABC-77, WWDJ-97, WWRL-16, WADO-1280, WFNY-FM 92.3 and WPAT-FM 93.1 Note that I only listed stations that do normal talk programming (news or religious, in the case of WMCA and WWDJ). Then there are the leased-access stations that rent out their airtime 24/7 and you will find some infomercial programming in various languages, including English, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Korean...: WSNR-62, WPAT-AM 93, WKDM-1380, WZRC-1480, WWRU-1660. Instead of carrying the Friday night/Saturday morning Coast-to-Coast AM show, WABC does informercial programming on Friday nights starting at 1 a.m. On weekends, the infomercials on WABC sometimes run into Art Bell's show by a half hour and sometimes even an hour. This usually happens when sports programming pre-empts the infomercials. Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 14:57:45 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:57:45 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it.<< Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, heritage or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV stations' call sign for anything? CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Feb 5 15:10:19 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:10:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, February 5, 2007 14:57, Sid Schweiger wrote: > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses television. Yup. Heck, most people just call it "Channel 4" or "Channel 56" or whatever. Or maybe, MAYBE, CBS/CW/Fox, etc. I've never heard of anyone call a TV station "ABC 7" or "CW-11" or "Univision 41". It's always just "flip on Channel 41". stephanie From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 15:17:57 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:17:57 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> References: <53967.12.37.144.130.1170706219.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> Message-ID: <17863.37109.796350.115252@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I've never heard of anyone call a TV station "ABC 7" or "CW-11" or > "Univision 41". It's always just "flip on Channel 41". Unless they have RCN, in which case it's "canal 6". -GAWollman From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Feb 5 15:20:58 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:20:58 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding References: Message-ID: <000201c74963$2bf27b50$c5a24c0c@SatU205S5044> If it was such great branding, there should have been a bump in their ratings when they re-branded as CBS4. Maybe there was such a bump, but if so, I don't remember hearing about it. Did you hear about it? How long after the re-branding was the effect noticeable. When did the bump occur? Or maybe the great branding was just theoretically great branding. I don't understand why they didn't re-re-brand as CBS4 WBZ-TV. I do not think that is too long for the public to remember or deal with. As far as the public is concerned CBS is not three letters, it's one brand. And similarly, WBZ-TV is not five letters and a hyphen, it's one brand. The public can handle the idea of two brands for one station. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sid Schweiger" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: Re: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding >>>If you are lucky enough to have heritage calls like that > you can only hope to have heritage consultants who finally get it.<< > > Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, > heritage > or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the > broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV > stations' call sign for anything? > > CBS4 was almost perfect branding, and they should have left it > alone. > It was a dead-on reflection of how the average viewer uses > television. > > > > Sid Schweiger > IT Manager, Entercom New England > WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM > 20 Guest St / 3d Floor > Boston MA 02135-2040 > Phone: 617-779-5369 > Fax: 617-779-5379 > E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Feb 5 15:22:51 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:22:51 -0500 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17863.37403.955955.370099@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Please. The only people to whom TV station call signs matter, heritage > or not, are the geeks and DXers. Who do you know, outside the > broadcasting business and the DX community who actually uses a TV > stations' call sign for anything? I don't think the actual call sign of channel 4 is at all relevant to this exercise. It's about branding and synergy; if you own the market for (commercial) radio news in town under the brand "WBZ", it's just plain common sense to brand your television news likewise. If done well, the two media can reinforce each other. If done poorly, of course, each one can drag the other down. -GAWollman From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 15:24:55 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:24:55 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>"Almost" is right....Except that it de-emphasized the localism... And localism is one of their strengths.<< Again, a call sign is irrelevant to most viewers for that purpose too. No average viewer associates a call sign with a local newscast. It's been "NewsCenter 5" for several decades now, and viewers don't seem to have any trouble finding it, if that's their preference. Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF - WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From sid@wrko.com Mon Feb 5 15:49:20 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:49:20 -0700 Subject: WBZ-TV 4 rebranding Message-ID: >>If it was such great branding, there should have been a bump in their ratings when they re-branded as CBS4. Maybe there was such a bump, but if so, I don't remember hearing about it. Did you hear about it? How long after the re-branding was the effect noticeable. When did the bump occur? Or maybe the great branding was just theoretically great branding. I don't understand why they didn't re-re-brand as CBS4 WBZ-TV. I do not think that is too long for the public to remember or deal with. As far as the public is concerned CBS is not three letters, it's one brand. And similarly, WBZ-TV is not five letters and a hyphen, it's one brand. The public can handle the idea of two brands for one station.<< No, there should not have been any bump in the ratings after a brand change. Branding matters not at all to viewers who already know where to find their favorite programs. To those who don't, the brand CBS matters much more than the brand WBZ-TV. "Just tell me what channel number the CBS programs are on, and that's all I need." That's what the average viewer is after. "'Desperate Housewives' is on channel 5? I'll switch to that." "'Law & Order' is on WHDH-TV? What channel number is that?" TV remotes don't have a means of inputting a call sign...only channel numbers. Ever see a TV magazine or online TV listings? It's the network name and channel number (sometimes just the channel number alone), and