From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 03:43:26 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:43:26 -0500 Subject: Radio connection to NH Clinton office hostage situation In-Reply-To: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> I knew that, as I had gone up to Rochester a couple times--in fact once I walked into the WMEX building, curious about bumper stickers (more for friends than myself). They were running on automation and someone, Dennis I presume, was working in an office. I told him I was a radio buff and was enjoying listening to the station--he had no promo stuff though. That building also may have had the studios for 98.7 The Bay and AM 1270, too Ch 9 in NH had good coverage on their stream. Picture you're at the WMEX building on the corner of Wakefield St. and (I forget the cross street). Across the street is a very small park next to a bank and just beyond there is N. Main St.; Hillary and Obama's various offices were on the other side (the newspaper, Foster's Daily Democrat, is on same side of road a bit further up along with a riverside park and some apartments). Across from Hillary's office was a Mexican restaurant, IIRC. From billohno@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 12:05:27 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:05:27 -0500 Subject: NERW Calendar Message-ID: <47519457.1050705@gmail.com> Kudos to Scott with his January photo in the Tower Site Calendar 2008 -- great capture of the moment when WOR (710 NY) Lyndhurst towers were mid-fall. The next noise to come out of that field will likely be, "FORE!" Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From billohno@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 12:11:28 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: Fox 44 News Message-ID: <475195C0.4060206@gmail.com> The BFree Press reporting today that WFFF (44 Burlington) will unveil its 10:00 News this Monday. I was actually expecting the product to be an extension of sister - WPTZ (5) news but it is an all new set-up. And just to be consistent with print reporting of this aural, the author of the Press story erroneously identifies the location of WCAX (3) as studios across the lake in Plattsburgh. http://burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/LIVING/712010323/1004 The new cast marks the return of a third TV news option in the market since the ABC affiliate (22) headed for the hills a couple of years ago. Bill O'Neill From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 1 12:45:31 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:45:31 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? In-Reply-To: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What stations are in Rick Davis' cluster? Where are they located now? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooper Fox" To: "Dan Billings" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? > Or, it could be Rick Davis' cluster From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 1 12:48:48 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:48:48 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco Message-ID: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> I honestly thought all copies of this tape had been destroyed. 21 years ago the Patriots shocked the world by making the Super Bowl and Morgan decided that the Patriots needed a video like the Chicago Bears. This may have been the worst music video ever made. You will see many media icons of the 80's in this tape and it was introduced by Arnie Ginsberg on V-66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INBayZpjeSY From billohno@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 13:03:10 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:03:10 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4751A1DE.2040001@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I honestly thought all copies of this tape had been destroyed. > > Classic. Favorite bits -- locals in tacky sport jackets dancing and air-guitar-ing while sporting that 'overbite' deal. Ranks up there in the camp department with the late-70s WBZ TV's "Were 4" campaign. 8-) Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From TheSeacoast@maine.rr.com Sat Dec 1 13:07:43 2007 From: TheSeacoast@maine.rr.com (The Seacoast) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:07:43 -0500 Subject: Radio connection to NH Clinton office hostage situation In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Both WMEX-FM and WTSN-AM 1270 carried the Channel 9 feed. WTSN was professional enough to ID themselves at the TOH and locally have one or two of their news folks briefly summarize on the AM side as well as their FM (WBYY). Whereas, WMEX had bad hum on their audio of Channel 9 and went right through the TOH with no id'ing. SS -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nelson [mailto:raccoonradio@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 3:43 AM To: Scott Fybush Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Radio connection to NH Clinton office hostage situation I knew that, as I had gone up to Rochester a couple times--in fact once I walked into the WMEX building, curious about bumper stickers (more for friends than myself). They were running on automation and someone, Dennis I presume, was working in an office. I told him I was a radio buff and was enjoying listening to the station--he had no promo stuff though. That building also may have had the studios for 98.7 The Bay and AM 1270, too Ch 9 in NH had good coverage on their stream. Picture you're at the WMEX building on the corner of Wakefield St. and (I forget the cross street). Across the street is a very small park next to a bank and just beyond there is N. Main St.; Hillary and Obama's various offices were on the other side (the newspaper, Foster's Daily Democrat, is on same side of road a bit further up along with a riverside park and some apartments). Across from Hillary's office was a Mexican restaurant, IIRC. From scott@fybush.com Sat Dec 1 13:15:57 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:15:57 -0500 Subject: Fox 44 News In-Reply-To: <475195C0.4060206@gmail.com> References: <475195C0.4060206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4751A4DD.80408@fybush.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > The BFree Press reporting today that WFFF (44 Burlington) will unveil > its 10:00 News this Monday. I was actually expecting the product to be > an extension of sister - WPTZ (5) news but it is an all new set-up. And > just to be consistent with print reporting of this aural, the author of > the Press story erroneously identifies the location of WCAX (3) as > studios across the lake in Plattsburgh. > http://burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/LIVING/712010323/1004 It's been many years since WFFF and WPTZ were operated jointly. WFFF is now a sister station to WVNY, with those two stations sharing studio facilities just behind the WPTZ Burlington studios up off US 7 north of town. > The new cast marks the return of a third TV news option in the market > since the ABC affiliate (22) headed for the hills a couple of years ago. And, given that WFFF and WVNY are sisters now, it wouldn't surprise me to see news make a return to WVNY eventually, too. s From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Dec 1 13:36:10 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:36:10 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> Rick Davis is GM of what I think is still called Mountain Wireless: WSKW (AM) and WFMX (FM) in Skowhegan, and WCTB (FM) which is licensed for some strange reason to Fairfield. The three stations are currently housed in the old WSKW/WTOS studios on Route 104 in Skowhegan. I did a weekly broadcast from there from 1982 to 1997, and the building needed renovation even back then. A move to Waterville would come as no surprise to me. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Billings" To: "Cooper Fox" ; "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? > What stations are in Rick Davis' cluster? Where are they located now? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cooper Fox" > To: "Dan Billings" ; "Boston Radio" > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? > > > Or, it could be Rick Davis' cluster > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 13:43:36 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:43:36 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <4751A1DE.2040001@gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> <4751A1DE.2040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0712011043r597228a1o37db1c78638f9736@mail.gmail.com> Morgan has described it as "our answer to the Super Bowl Shuffle". I don't know if I'd call it a fiasco (and Morgan's a good friend) though the Pats laid an egg, 46-10. It's kind of fun to see the "sports jackets", hair-don'ts, and so on. My question: "New England, the Patriots and WE?" And we what? Why not "New England, the Patriots and ME?" or even "and us?" I guess it's a call and response thing: New England, the Patriots and We... "We'll Berry the Bears...you wait and see" etc. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Dec 1 13:59:46 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:59:46 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? In-Reply-To: <068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <18257.44834.768324.239547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Rick Davis is GM of what I think is still called Mountain Wireless: WSKW > (AM) and WFMX (FM) in Skowhegan, and WCTB (FM) which is licensed for some > strange reason to Fairfield. There's nothing strange about WCTB being licensed to Fairfield.[1] The FCC gives a preference to applications (and allocations rulemakings) that represent the "first local service" to a particular community. This is interpreted ridiculously literally: a community is said to have "local service" if and only if there is another station whose community of license is that exact community, down to the spelling. (A petitioner must still demonstrate that a proposed community is a bona fide "community" as the FCC defines it, but that is not a high bar to jump.) Whether there is another station that *in reality* serves that community, or whether the proposed station would actually do so, is not considered. (This is related to the way you get stations on Cape Cod licensed both to Barnstable and to Hyannis [a fire district in Barnstable], or to Harwich and Harwichport.) -GAWollman [1] By a curious coincidence, one of my coworkers is from Fairfield. From revdoug1@verizon.net Sat Dec 1 15:59:55 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:59:55 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18257.44834.768324.239547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <069c01c8345d$20aed230$6501a8c0@pastor2> I think I understand the principle, but Fairfield and Skowhegan are two distinctly separate towns. And in this case, neither the studio nor the transmission tower are in Fairfield. I can see how a station might be grandfathered (e.g., WTAG's place of license is Worcester, though the transmitter has long been in Holden and the studios are now in Paxton), but how does the definition apply regarding WCTB? (I'm a layman.) -Doug - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? > < said: > > > Rick Davis is GM of what I think is still called Mountain Wireless: WSKW > > (AM) and WFMX (FM) in Skowhegan, and WCTB (FM) which is licensed for some > > strange reason to Fairfield. > > There's nothing strange about WCTB being licensed to Fairfield.[1] The > FCC gives a preference to applications (and allocations rulemakings) > that represent the "first local service" to a particular community. > This is interpreted ridiculously literally: a community is said to > have "local service" if and only if there is another station whose > community of license is that exact community, down to the spelling. > (A petitioner must still demonstrate that a proposed community is a > bona fide "community" as the FCC defines it, but that is not a high > bar to jump.) Whether there is another station that *in reality* > serves that community, or whether the proposed station would actually > do so, is not considered. (This is related to the way you get > stations on Cape Cod licensed both to Barnstable and to Hyannis [a > fire district in Barnstable], or to Harwich and Harwichport.) > > -GAWollman > > [1] By a curious coincidence, one of my coworkers is from Fairfield. From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 1 16:34:38 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:34:38 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com><068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18257.44834.768324.239547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c83461$fbbf4ef0$45f8a742@SatU205S5044> And the FCC is very strict about allowing CoL changes by stations that are a community's "only" audio broadcast service. Mostly, the Cookie Company denies applications for such moves EVEN if the move would provide a larger community with its first audio broadcast service. Now, how long has the FCC been so hard-nosed about preventing moves by a community's sole audio broadcast service? I ask because we may or may not have a strange case in our midst. Alex Langer was allowed to move the old WSRO 1470, which, I believe, was the only audio broadcast service licensed to Marlborough, to Watertown, where (as WAZN) it became the community's first audio broadcast service. However, WAZN might (or might not) have been the second station to be granted a CP to move to Watertown. Before WSRO was granted its CP, WRCA may have been holding a CP to change its CoL to Watertown. If the WRCA CP predated the WSRO CP AND the FCC's strict stance on moves of a community's only audio broadcast service was in force when WSRO was granted its CP, how did Langer get his application granted? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Wollman" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? > < said: > >> Rick Davis is GM of what I think is still called Mountain Wireless: >> WSKW >> (AM) and WFMX (FM) in Skowhegan, and WCTB (FM) which is licensed >> for some >> strange reason to Fairfield. > > There's nothing strange about WCTB being licensed to Fairfield.[1] > The > FCC gives a preference to applications (and allocations rulemakings) > that represent the "first local service" to a particular community. > This is interpreted ridiculously literally: a community is said to > have "local service" if and only if there is another station whose > community of license is that exact community, down to the spelling. > (A petitioner must still demonstrate that a proposed community is a > bona fide "community" as the FCC defines it, but that is not a high > bar to jump.) Whether there is another station that *in reality* > serves that community, or whether the proposed station would > actually > do so, is not considered. (This is related to the way you get > stations on Cape Cod licensed both to Barnstable and to Hyannis [a > fire district in Barnstable], or to Harwich and Harwichport.) > > -GAWollman > > [1] By a curious coincidence, one of my coworkers is from Fairfield. From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 16:59:55 2007 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave in Boston) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:59:55 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com><1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Message-ID: I got to pull in BZ right after sunset in order to hear what I thought would be the best coverage of the Clinton campain hostage situation. I was very dissappointed. At first I heard nothing for awhile (maybe 20 minutes)...then the anchor (Diane Stern?) would give a "quick update"...and thats about it. Later on that evening I did hear Lanna Jones doing a live report from the scene....but I thought 'BZ would be "all over this". I expected someone on the phone at the scene, telling us what was going on, what the scene looked like, what they knew about the guy, how many swat / bomb sqaud trucks are on the scene, etc, etc. Again, I was very dissappointed in their coverage....which sounded like they were giving me 'partial scores' of a game in play. I wasn't able to catch Ch 9's coverage, but I got to see CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc...and theie coverage was pretty good. I was surprised to see Anderson Cooper actually IN Portsmouth. Anyone else dissappointed by BZ's coverage? From billings@suscom-maine.net Sat Dec 1 17:41:48 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:48 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com><1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com><000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Message-ID: <6A22BBE66CE24E36BF1245C4503A9867@DanBillingsPC> It sounds to me that WBZ used good news judgment in their coverage. The coverage was greatly overplayed. Once the hostages were released, it shouldn't have even been a top story. From wollman@bimajority.org Sat Dec 1 17:43:39 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:43:39 -0500 Subject: Radio stations to be located in Waterville? In-Reply-To: <069c01c8345d$20aed230$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <83498.13937.qm@web39109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <068e01c83449$0bc7f590$6501a8c0@pastor2> <18257.44834.768324.239547@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <069c01c8345d$20aed230$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <18257.58267.696745.618051@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > I think I understand the principle, but Fairfield and Skowhegan are two > distinctly separate towns. And in this case, neither the studio nor the > transmission tower are in Fairfield. I can see how a station might be > grandfathered (e.g., WTAG's place of license is Worcester, though the > transmitter has long been in Holden and the studios are now in Paxton), but > how does the definition apply regarding WCTB? (I'm a layman.) -Doug Before the rulemaking was done to add a 93.5 in Fairfield, there were no stations licensed to Fairfield. (Where their studios or transmitters are has no bearing.) Therefore, the proposed 93.5 was a "first local service" to Fairfield. I don't know if there were any mutually-exclusive rulemaking petitions at the same time, but if they were, the Fairfield petition would have trumped a request for a second (or third or ...) channel in any other community. An applicant for a construction permit is required to show that the principal community ("city-grade") contour of the station encompasses the community of license, however defined, and the legal main studio must be located within 25 miles of the community, or within the principal community contour. (Or, in cases other than the ones we are discussing, with the principal community contour of any other broadcast station, in any class of service, licensed to the same community.) For example, go to and search for facility ID 26388. You'll see as the very first thing on the list of applications WFMX's filing to modify its construction permit for an upgrade to class C2, filed at the end of October. Click on "Application" and scroll down to the "Comprehensive Engineering Exhibit". Open it (it's a PDF file) and look at Figure 1 on page 3. The dark green line is the proposed new city-grade contour; note how Skowhegan is called out as "community of license" on the map, showing that it is within the contour. (Thanks to WTOS-FM, WFMX's studio could be almost anywhere in central Maine.) -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 1 17:55:10 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:55:10 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Message-ID: <20071201225521.04BA31B7A51@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> At 04:59 PM 12/1/2007, Dave in Boston wrote: >I got to pull in BZ right after sunset in order to hear what I >thought would be the best coverage of the Clinton campain hostage situation. > >I was very dissappointed. > >At first I heard nothing for awhile (maybe 20 minutes)...then the >anchor (Diane Stern?) would give a "quick update"...and thats about it. WBZ was all over the story all day, but largely thanks to the TV side. The TV reporters got the story even before the Associated Press had the details moving on the wire. I was at a meeting at WBZ radio when the story broke, and the TV side broke in with the story at once, switching to their NH affiliated colleagues for video. WBZ Radio got the story onto its website (I was there when they did it) and then sent Lana up to cover it, but WBZ-TV already had coverage-- then they too sent their own reporters up there. Interestingly enough, WBZ TV and Radio, which really did put forth a good effort all day, seem to have been beaten to the story by NPR. Thanks to having an affiliate radio station in Rochester NH, WBUR had somebody there right away and knew the local market well enough to feed not only WBUR but also NPR. WBZ Radio got a reporter to the scene fairly quickly, but NPR seems to have been first with it. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Dec 1 19:25:10 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:25:10 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Message-ID: <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> At 04:59 PM 12/1/2007, Dave in Boston wrote: >I got to pull in BZ right after sunset in order to hear what I >thought would be the best coverage of the Clinton campain hostage situation. > >I was very dissappointed. > >At first I heard nothing for awhile (maybe 20 minutes)...then the >anchor (Diane Stern?) would give a "quick update"...and thats about it. > >Later on that evening I did hear Lanna Jones doing a live report >from the scene....but I thought 'BZ would be "all over this". I >expected someone on the phone at the scene, telling us what was >going on, what the scene looked like, what they knew about the guy, >how many swat / bomb sqaud trucks are on the scene, etc, etc. I thought WBZ handled this story well. From what I could tell, there wasn't a lot of information being released...it's not like Mrs. Clinton was one of the hostages. They seemed to cut in when there was actual news to report. All too often there is a tendency to over-cover a story, taking up large amounts of air time without really telling us anything (storm coverage is a perfect example...how many times do we need to see some damfool reporter standing outside during a blizzard to tell us that it's snowing & driving is bad?). A reporter "at the scene" may project the illusion of up-to-the-minute coverage, but not when they're just speculating or repeating meager facts and/or rumors. From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Dec 1 22:26:25 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:26:25 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <475225E1.20705@gabrielmass.com> SteveOrdinetz wrote: > All too often there is a tendency to over-cover a story In this story, some reporter referred to the office as Senator Clinton's "headquarters", which is a bit inflated. Rochester is smaller than, e.g., Taunton, and the office is one of over a dozen offices around the state. --RC From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sat Dec 1 22:25:25 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:25:25 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <043001c83492$fb621d80$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > I honestly thought all copies of this tape had been destroyed. > > 21 years ago the Patriots shocked the world by making the Super Bowl and > Morgan decided that the Patriots needed a video like the Chicago Bears. > > This may have been the worst music video ever made. > > You will see many media icons of the 80's in this tape and it was > introduced > by Arnie Ginsberg on V-66 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INBayZpjeSY I actually posted that one up there. I'm glad you're all enjoying it :). My father recorded a lot of sports programming/highlights back in the 80s, and I came across the tapes a few months ago. I've posted many other boston TV related things as well, if you click on my channel from that video. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 1 22:35:13 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:35:13 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com>, , <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <4751E1A1.30961.3DBF11@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Dec 2007 at 19:25, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > All too often there is a tendency to over-cover a story, taking up > large amounts of air time without really telling us anything (storm > coverage is a perfect example...how many times do we need to see > some damfool reporter standing outside during a blizzard to tell us > that it's snowing & driving is bad?). A reporter "at the scene" > may project the illusion of up-to-the-minute coverage, but not when > they're just speculating or repeating meager facts and/or rumors. This was spoofed in a sitcom last year, I think it was called "The Class." The character Holly Ellenbogen played a local TV reporter and, in one episode, was shown reporting outdoors during a hurricane, with her hair in her face, and, in the end of the scene, being struck by a flying road sign. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 19:45:30 2007 From: Dave_in_Boston2001@hotmail.com (Dave in Boston) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:45:30 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com><1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com><000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> Message-ID: > All too often there is a tendency to over-cover a story, taking up > large amounts of air time without really telling us anything... Well, in a situation like this with a potential bomb that could erupt (at any time!) I think people like to have a link, not just a few headlines. I don't hink BZ radio should've done wall to wall coverage. I just wanted to hear from someone at the scene...instead of Diane Stern giving us 'headlines' from Boston. If this was in Walla Walla Washington, I would agree.....but this is BZ's backyard, isnt' it? It's likely that a lot of people know Portsmouth, the neighborhood, maybe even have family up there. While it's true the story wound down through the afternoon, when it was revealed he had flares taped to him and not dynamite...I heard better coverage/discussion on WEEI than I did on BZ. From kc1ih@mac.com Sat Dec 1 23:54:49 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:54:49 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> Message-ID: At 4:59 PM -0500 12/1/07, Dave in Boston wrote: > >I wasn't able to catch Ch 9's coverage, but I got to see CNN, MSNBC, >FOX, etc...and theie coverage was pretty good. I was surprised to >see Anderson Cooper actually IN Portsmouth. Which meant he was 15 to 20 miles from where the story was taking place, in Rochester. At that distance, he might as well have been in New York! -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From rac@gabrielmass.com Sun Dec 2 00:18:29 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:18:29 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com><1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com><000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> <20071202002520.A360A4A3AAF@mail2.wildblue.net> Message-ID: <47524025.6000607@gabrielmass.com> Dave in Boston wrote: > > If this was in Walla Walla Washington, I would agree.....but this is > BZ's backyard, isnt' it? It's likely that a lot of people know > Portsmouth, the neighborhood, maybe even have family up there. > Well, Portsmouth's known as a great town for restaurants. You can be sure the press would have covered the story live if, God forbid, it had happened there. :-) Rochester's just not a tourist mecca. It's not as glamorous as, say, Woonsocket. --RC From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 2 10:07:56 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:07:56 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0712011043r597228a1o37db1c78638f9736@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> <4751A1DE.2040001@gmail.com> <1fbbbced0712011043r597228a1o37db1c78638f9736@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770712020707m5db2337by9b3ef2e219a0caf4@mail.gmail.com> I was working in Chicago then and the Chicago stations ran it and laughed at us because it was so bad. The funniest thing was the on air bet between the Infinty stations. Dick Biondi at WJMK never knew that Dwane from WBCN was a put on. Also people in Chicago had no concept of New England and thought Foxboro was a big city. On 12/1/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > Morgan has described it as "our answer to the Super Bowl Shuffle". I don't > know > if I'd call it a fiasco (and Morgan's a good friend) though the Pats > laid an egg, 46-10. > It's kind of fun to see the "sports jackets", hair-don'ts, and so on. > > My question: "New England, the Patriots and WE?" And we what? Why not "New > England, the Patriots and ME?" or even "and us?" I guess it's a call > and response > thing: New England, the Patriots and We... > > "We'll Berry the Bears...you wait and see" > > etc. > From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 2 10:27:28 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (kvahey@comcast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:27:28 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712020707m5db2337by9b3ef2e219a0caf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> <4751A1DE.2040001@gmail.com> <1fbbbced0712011043r597228a1o37db1c78638f9736@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770712020707m5db2337by9b3ef2e219a0caf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770712020727o68b065b8r1e889516155670f3@mail.gmail.com> Another radio bet got ugly when Larry Lujack and Jerry Williams went at it. Lujack called Boston a term I can not use and Williams exploded and reminded Lujack that Mac Richmond discovered him and Lujack went into a 20 minute rant about WMEX. Williams after the game refused to go back on WLS and never paid the bet. On 12/2/07, kvahey@comcast.net wrote: > I was working in Chicago then and the Chicago stations ran it and > laughed at us because it was so bad. The funniest thing was the on air > bet between the Infinty stations. Dick Biondi at WJMK never knew that > Dwane from WBCN was a put on. Also people in Chicago had no concept of > New England and thought Foxboro was a big city. > > On 12/1/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > > Morgan has described it as "our answer to the Super Bowl Shuffle". I don't > > know > > if I'd call it a fiasco (and Morgan's a good friend) though the Pats > > laid an egg, 46-10. > > It's kind of fun to see the "sports jackets", hair-don'ts, and so on. > > > > My question: "New England, the Patriots and WE?" And we what? Why not "New > > England, the Patriots and ME?" or even "and us?" I guess it's a call > > and response > > thing: New England, the Patriots and We... > > > > "We'll Berry the Bears...you wait and see" > > > > etc. > > > From billohno@gmail.com Sun Dec 2 14:12:55 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:12:55 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: <20071201225521.04BA31B7A51@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com> <1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com> <000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> <20071201225521.04BA31B7A51@relay2.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <475303B7.1090905@gmail.com> Donna Halper wrote: > WBZ Radio got a reporter to the scene fairly quickly, but NPR seems to > have been first with it. > Fox News got to show off a new (nothing is really _new_) two-shot in-car cam with Carl (formerly WMUR) Cameron and crew dashing to the scene early. Did anyone else happen to notice when Cameron checks his cell text and the abruptly puts on his seat belt? Bill O'Neill From billohno@gmail.com Sun Dec 2 14:14:58 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:14:58 -0500 Subject: BZ During the hostage situation..... In-Reply-To: <6A22BBE66CE24E36BF1245C4503A9867@DanBillingsPC> References: <47508270.2020807@fybush.com><1fbbbced0712010043s544b9dc4m20f45425f0bf89f1@mail.gmail.com><000001c83445$11e00160$6501a8c0@vpr1> <6A22BBE66CE24E36BF1245C4503A9867@DanBillingsPC> Message-ID: <47530432.7040100@gmail.com> Dan Billings wrote: > It sounds to me that WBZ used good news judgment in their coverage. > > The coverage was greatly overplayed. Once the hostages were released, > it shouldn't have even been a top story. I have to agree that the story was overplayed. But kudos to candidate Clinton for impeccable drops-timing from her DC home and just in time for the national evening from NH. You know.... Bill O'Neill // From lspin@comcast.net Sun Dec 2 14:28:24 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:28:24 -0500 Subject: Morgan White Jr.'s great fiasco In-Reply-To: <043001c83492$fb621d80$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <4fc429770712010948w445f04d0gc375a4c3dcb8a551@mail.gmail.com> <043001c83492$fb621d80$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <000e01c83519$82c06300$88412900$@net> That is classic! I got a big kick out of seeing that again. Thanks for sharing. Another video from V66 that was a home-grown classic was the video to the Stompers' song "East Side Girls." It's a lot of shots of the local area starting out with the text, "East Boston is Not an Airport." If you (or anyone) have that, I'd love to see it. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org On Behalf Of Jeff Lehmann Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:25 PM I actually posted that one up there. I'm glad you're all enjoying it :). My father recorded a lot of sports programming/highlights back in the 80s, and I came across the tapes a few months ago. I've posted many other boston TV related things as well, if you click on my channel from that video. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 13:39:54 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:39:54 -0500 Subject: Imus Message-ID: <013d01c835db$eaf98470$6401a8c0@default> Anyone wake up and listen to Imus? From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Mon Dec 3 13:57:27 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:57:27 -0500 Subject: Imus References: <013d01c835db$eaf98470$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <000801c835de$5a6bdf90$0201a8c0@Family> can't say that i did, but there is a brief (2.5 mins) video of the opening remarks on Yahoo! http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=5297963&ch=4226713&src=news --Chuck Igo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don A" To: "BRI" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: Imus > Anyone wake up and listen to Imus? > > From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 3 14:23:56 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:23:56 -0500 Subject: Imus In-Reply-To: <000801c835de$5a6bdf90$0201a8c0@Family> References: <013d01c835db$eaf98470$6401a8c0@default> <000801c835de$5a6bdf90$0201a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <475457CC.6000707@gmail.com> Chuck Igo wrote: > can't say that i did, but there is a brief (2.5 mins) video of the > opening remarks on Yahoo! > I caught some of the 8-9 hour on RFDTV and some of the 9-10 on WABC (web). Let's just call it a work-in-progress. Imus looked rested but not too eager. McGuirk sat quietly to Imus' left. It's tough to judge on any Day One, especially on remote. During the phoner with the 'Ragin' Cajun' and his wife who was Cheney's consultant (blanking on names right now) Don did jokingly react with, "Do you two want to get me fired on my first day?" There are two new editions to the show, both African American (sports and a sorta-sidekick). Watching Imus on RFDTV should make for interesting juxtapositions -- I'm wondering how long it will take for them to go from the I-Man interviewing a politician-caught-in-the-act, and then into a TV spot on the latest technology in artificial insemination of bovines. Only in America. Now, git. Bill O'Neill -- I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. /Rodney Dangerfield/ From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 3 14:26:59 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:26:59 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Imus] Message-ID: <47545883.6050101@gmail.com> I just wrote, "There are two new editions to the show, both ..." Make that "ADDITIONS" to the show... Grammar and stuff still counts. Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Mon Dec 3 14:38:11 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:38:11 -0500 Subject: Imus In-Reply-To: <013d01c835db$eaf98470$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <007301c835e4$0abfb290$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Lame-O! I turned off after 30 minutes... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Don A Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:40 PM To: BRI Subject: Imus Anyone wake up and listen to Imus? From rac@gabrielmass.com Mon Dec 3 15:36:55 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:36:55 -0500 Subject: Imus In-Reply-To: <007301c835e4$0abfb290$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <007301c835e4$0abfb290$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <475468E7.8070305@gabrielmass.com> As usual for a remote show, Imus seemed a little uncertain about what was supposed to happen next, so things moved slowly. Also, he spent a lot of time talking about inside stuff (his causes, himself, his failings). For this penitential return show, it was not unreasonable, but it's not great radio. --RC Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Lame-O! From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 3 15:56:37 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:56:37 -0500 Subject: Imus In-Reply-To: <475468E7.8070305@gabrielmass.com> References: <007301c835e4$0abfb290$af8de847@YOURF7ED5FB036> <475468E7.8070305@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47546D85.1030707@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > As usual for a remote show, Imus seemed a little uncertain about what > was supposed to happen next, so things moved slowly. One of the more interesting remarks occurred in the last minute of the show when he praised the WABC engineering staff and noted that after tons of remotes like this over at WFAN, that today was the first time that he could communicate with his tech via I.F.B. (interruptible feedback) with the push of a button, versus snagging a landline somewhere. Imus has never been generous with praise to the minions. Bill O'Neill // From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 3 16:22:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:22:54 -0500 Subject: WCAP Message-ID: <000901c835f2$acd13a50$57f8a742@SatU205S5044> I caught 25 minutes or so of the morning show today from about 7:45 to 8:10. Although everyone on the air said that the show, now in its second week, is still very much a work in progress, it sounded GREAT to me--a real example of what local radio was meant to be. I know that WCAP can't increase its power and it must be way too soon for the new owners to have brought in much if any new audio-processing equipment, but it sure sounds as if somebody has been tweaking the processing. It could well be my imagination, but WCAP sounded louder and cleaner than I have heard it in years--at least during the daytime. During daylight hours, WCAP's signal here in Arlington is not very strong. Nevertheless, today it sounded quite clean and surprisingly loud. Because of pattern differences, the night signal here is a lot stronger but often gets stepped on pretty badly by WOFX. Anyhow, the folks on the air sound really charged up and, in my hot-so-humble opinion, are doing a great job! ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Dec 4 15:01:14 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:01:14 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee Message-ID: <20071204200114.63B5D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Bill O'Reilly is out and local talker Michelle McPhee is in, according to Boston magazine's blog. McPhee is leaving the Herald and going to work on Morrissey Blvd.--not for crosstown rival the Globe, but for Greater Media and WTKK. Good to see more local talk. 'RKO has syndie with Savage; 'BZ has Dan Rea starting at 8 pm. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/blogs/boston/2007/12/04/mcphee-quits-herald-moves-to-tkk-full-time/ >>"UPDATE II: Blazer just confirmed the story. McPhee starts as the 7-10 p.m. host on Jan. 7." From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 4 15:30:43 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:30:43 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <20071204200114.63B5D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071204200114.63B5D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4755B8F3.8000209@gmail.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Good to see more local talk. 'RKO has syndie with Savage; 'BZ has Dan Rea starting at 8 pm. This is encouraging news. More local talk. A rising tide lifts all boats. Bill O'Neill // From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 15:57:28 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <4755B8F3.8000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <285690.31918.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bill O'Neill wrote: > This is encouraging news. More local talk. A rising tide lifts all > boats. Though the print media losing a decent reporter -- a job that may not be filled, who knows with newspapers nowadays -- sinks that tide, a tide off which talk radio feeds. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Dec 4 16:10:30 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:10:30 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee Message-ID: <20071204211035.77BE48398B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Well, more local talk _at night_ though technically they're just shifting their amount of local talk-- instead of 5:30- 9 am with Graham it's now Imus during those hours, but McPhee brings three hours of local talk a bit later on. (No doubt her show will be useful during coverage of the MA and NH primaries, etc. They would have gone local those nights anyway...) On nights when WBZ has the Bruins and there's a hot local story, the show would come in handy. I think WTKK will have about 13 hours of local talk (all consecutive hours) while WRKO will have 10 (6 in the morning, then four hours of Howie after syndie with Rush) and WBZ has 9 hours of local talk from 8 pm to 5 am (Rea, then Leveille, with Rich on Friday nights) From scott@fybush.com Tue Dec 4 16:24:05 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:24:05 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <20071204211035.77BE48398B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071204211035.77BE48398B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4755C575.5040206@fybush.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > I think WTKK will have about 13 hours of local talk (all consecutive hours) while WRKO will have 10 > (6 in the morning, then four hours of Howie after syndie with Rush) and WBZ has 9 hours of local talk from > 8 pm to 5 am (Rea, then Leveille, with Rich on Friday nights) Which adds up to 33 hours of local talk a day, which has got to put Boston very much in the top tier of talk radio cities! With WABC's nearly all-syndie schedule now (Imus, Rush, Hannity, Levin, etc.), and WOR as the only real talk competition in the city, there's no way NYC's total adds up to anything even close, and the picture in Philadelphia and DC is even more bleak. LA is worse yet. I haven't added up the numbers, but I'd guess Chicago (pretty much all day local on WGN, plus strong local content on WLS) and San Francisco (all local on KGO, plus some local shows on KSFO and KNEW) would probably rank second and third in local talk hours, just on a hunch. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Dec 4 16:28:57 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:28:57 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <20071204200114.63B5D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071204200114.63B5D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4755C699.9080601@ttlc.net> Bob Nelson wrote: > > Good to see more local talk. 'RKO has syndie with Savage; 'BZ has Dan Rea starting at 8 pm. Is Savage live or delayed? From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 16:32:39 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:32:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <4755C575.5040206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <916378.50784.qm@web58315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Which adds up to 33 hours of local talk a day, which has got to put > Boston very much in the top tier of talk radio cities! > > With WABC's nearly all-syndie schedule now (Imus, Rush, Hannity, > Levin, > etc.), and WOR as the only real talk competition in the city, there's > no > way NYC's total adds up to anything even close, and the picture in > Philadelphia and DC is even more bleak. LA is worse yet. > > I haven't added up the numbers, but I'd guess Chicago (pretty much > all > day local on WGN, plus strong local content on WLS) and San Francisco > > (all local on KGO, plus some local shows on KSFO and KNEW) would > probably rank second and third in local talk hours, just on a hunch. 1. Is it fair to not count syndicated shows in NYC? Sure, they're not talking about Bloomberg's moves running the city, but we are talking the No. 1 market -- a big (no pun intended) appetite there for national talk, no? It's not like we're talking about syndie talk popping up on a station in the North Country or something. 2. If you counted sports talk, NYC's numbers may well surpass Boston. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From brian_vita@cssinc.com Tue Dec 4 23:13:13 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:13:13 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee In-Reply-To: <4755C575.5040206@fybush.com> References: <20071204211035.77BE48398B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4755C575.5040206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <47562559.8080404@cssinc.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > Bob Nelson wrote: > >> I think WTKK will have about 13 hours of local talk (all consecutive >> hours) while WRKO will have 10 >> (6 in the morning, then four hours of Howie after syndie with Rush) >> and WBZ has 9 hours of local talk from >> 8 pm to 5 am (Rea, then Leveille, with Rich on Friday nights) > > Which adds up to 33 hours of local talk a day, which has got to put > Boston very much in the top tier of talk radio cities! > > With WABC's nearly all-syndie schedule now (Imus, Rush, Hannity, > Levin, etc.), and WOR as the only real talk competition in the city, > there's no way NYC's total adds up to anything even close, and the > picture in Philadelphia and DC is even more bleak. LA is worse yet. > > Is it considered syndicated if it originated at the station (ie.Imus, Rush, Hannity, etc)? Brian From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Dec 4 19:00:18 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:00:18 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee References: <20071204211035.77BE48398B@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <4755C575.5040206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <000001c836f8$995e9100$99ada742@SatU205S5044> Everybody is so excited about quantity. Doesn't anybody care about quality? I daresay that unless you are a right-wingnut of the Bob Nelson stripe, you will find damned little that originates at either WRKO or WTKK worth listening to. WBZ is better. And nobody has mentioned WBUR, which certainly makes up in quality for what it lacks in quantity. I fault 'BUR's Tom Ashbrook, who is currently out on medical leave, on stylistic grounds; he should learn how to sound a bit more relaxed notwithstsanding the pressures of the clock. But at least he is intelligent and when he isn't thoughful enough, he brings on guests who are. Of current Boston talk hosts, it seems to me that Dan Rea is the only one in the same league as Ashbrook. LeVeille's mission is to do light stuff and I believe he PREFERS to do light stuff although I think he would be quite capable (though not as happy) doing issue-oriented talk if the time slot permitted it, which it really doesn't. Pretty much everyone else who originates a talk show from Boston is a clown, although I guess I would not put Doug Stephan in the clown category. He sometimes originates his show from his farm in Framingham but most of the program is not heard on any Boston area station. (WRKO and WBNW carry one hour of what is, I believe, a five-hour show six days a week.) BTW, at Thanksgiving, I met a guy who may be Tom Finneran's only fan. He pleaded with me to give the show another chance. Does Finneran get excused from being called a clown because he can't make anyone smile, much less laugh? ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Bob Nelson" Cc: "BostonRadio Mailing List" ; "Bill O'Neill" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee > Bob Nelson wrote: > >> I think WTKK will have about 13 hours of local talk (all >> consecutive hours) while WRKO will have 10 >> (6 in the morning, then four hours of Howie after syndie with Rush) >> and WBZ has 9 hours of local talk from >> 8 pm to 5 am (Rea, then Leveille, with Rich on Friday nights) > > Which adds up to 33 hours of local talk a day, which has got to put > Boston very much in the top tier of talk radio cities! > > With WABC's nearly all-syndie schedule now (Imus, Rush, Hannity, > Levin, etc.), and WOR as the only real talk competition in the city, > there's no way NYC's total adds up to anything even close, and the > picture in Philadelphia and DC is even more bleak. LA is worse yet. > > I haven't added up the numbers, but I'd guess Chicago (pretty much > all day local on WGN, plus strong local content on WLS) and San > Francisco (all local on KGO, plus some local shows on KSFO and KNEW) > would probably rank second and third in local talk hours, just on a > hunch. > > s From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Dec 5 03:27:18 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:27:18 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee Message-ID: <20071205082718.A9E1C83BE8@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Ha--right wing nut! I'm a lot closer to the center than some would think, which means those on the left must be off the map. As for quality, I like Howie Carr and Dan Rea; some Jordan Rich, too. Laura Ingraham for syndie--and the interesting Phil Hendrie. As I've said before I wouldn't mind having Dennis Miller on (left on some things, right on most). "Of course, that's just my opinion-- I could be wrong." LeVeille's fun when the likes of a Mel Simons is on. We do miss Gene Burns but he won't budge from his San Francisco base. From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Dec 5 03:30:16 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:30:16 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee Message-ID: <20071205083016.7B88D49B716@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Is it considered syndicated if it originated at the station (ie.Imus, Rush, Hannity, etc)? Those shows are nationally syndicated but that's a good point: I don't know if I can call Howie's show "local" because it, too, is syndicated--but only in New England, so maybe "regional". Some talk hosts have done national shows but one hour goes out only to the flagship station (maybe Neil Boortz?) From raccoonradio@mail.com Wed Dec 5 03:31:51 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:31:51 -0500 Subject: Boston mag.: WTKK to go local with McPhee Message-ID: <20071205083151.E92E549B71E@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Savage runs 6 to 9 pm Eastern, but WRKO runs the first hour tape delayed. When the Red Sox start up again, the whole show will be tape delayed... From kwillcox@wnsh.com Wed Dec 5 13:17:58 2007 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:17:58 -0500 Subject: funny In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712051818.lB5IICHI069068@tsornin.bostonradio.org> At 12:00 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >I daresay that unless you are a right-wingnut of the Bob Nelson >stripe, you will find damned little that originates at either WRKO >or WTKK worth listening to. Try our morning show now from 7a to 9a Bob and Sheri, it is syndicated but very amusing, no politics, lots of great shaggy dog stories.... Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Dec 6 07:29:47 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:47 -0500 Subject: FCC oops Message-ID: <380-220071246122947156@ix.netcom.com> just a curious (humerous?) observation .... out of the area, yes While I was using AM query for wide DC-Baltimore area, I see listing for an app on 88.3, Rising Sun PA (wherever that is) with call sign KQAI! Seems to me all of PA is east of the Mississippi, huh? Bob From madprof@ix.netcom.com Thu Dec 6 07:32:56 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:32:56 -0500 Subject: FCC opps ----correction Message-ID: <380-220071246123256140@ix.netcom.com> FM query, that is From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 07:59:38 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 04:59:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: FCC oops In-Reply-To: <380-220071246122947156@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <182802.42225.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Robert F. Sutherland" wrote: > just a curious (humerous?) observation .... out of the area, yes > > While I was using AM query for wide DC-Baltimore area, > I see listing for an app on 88.3, Rising Sun PA (wherever that is) > with call sign KQAI! > Seems to me all of PA is east of the Mississippi, huh? Even better is the FCC screwing up what state Rising Sun is in. It's in Harford County, Md., though close to the Pennsylvania border. (There is a Rising Sun, Pa., but it's nowhere near the DC/Baltimore area -- it's outside Allentown.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 6 08:05:21 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:05:21 -0500 Subject: FCC oops References: <380-220071246122947156@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <001501c83808$aa5d8a90$45f8a742@SatU205S5044> You've almost certainly found and error BUT PA is the only state fully east of the Mississippi that has multiple stations with K calls. It has three; all AMs with legacy calls: KYW, KDKA, and KQV. Several states that are fully west of the Mississippi have multiple stations with W calls. Texas has four that I can think of (unless one or more of those call signs has been changed): WOAI, WBAP, WFAA, and WACO, and probably has more than that. The WACO calls migrated from AM to FM many years ago. Texas had at least one other W call sign until fairly recently, but I don't think WTAW is in use any longer. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Sutherland" To: "BRI" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: FCC oops > just a curious (humerous?) observation .... out of the area, yes > > While I was using AM query for wide DC-Baltimore area, > I see listing for an app on 88.3, Rising Sun PA (wherever that is) > with call sign KQAI! > Seems to me all of PA is east of the Mississippi, huh? > > Bob > > > From sid@wrko.com Thu Dec 6 08:20:24 2007 From: sid@wrko.com (Sid Schweiger) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:20:24 -0700 Subject: FCC oops Message-ID: >>Several states that are fully west of the Mississippi have multiple stations with W calls.<< Although those are exceptions to the *current* W/K rule, they are all east of the *original* W/K border. The change was made in January 1923. http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm Sid Schweiger IT Manager, Entercom New England WAAF - WEEI AM/FM - WKAF WMKK - WRKO - WVEI AM/FM 20 Guest St / 3d Floor Boston MA 02135-2040 Phone: 617-779-5369 Fax: 617-779-5379 E-Mail: sid@wrko.com From scott@fybush.com Thu Dec 6 11:10:50 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:10:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: FCC oops In-Reply-To: <380-220071246122947156@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220071246122947156@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <32377.66.195.169.98.1196957450.squirrel@webmail11.pair.com> > just a curious (humerous?) observation .... out of the area, yes > > While I was using AM query for wide DC-Baltimore area, > I see listing for an app on 88.3, Rising Sun PA (wherever that is) > with call sign KQAI! > Seems to me all of PA is east of the Mississippi, huh? This isn't actually an "FCC oops" - it's something much more interesting. When the FCC opened a window for new noncommercial FM applications and major changes to existing noncomm FMs (the first such window in a decade), the big religious broadcasters jumped on it, to nobody's surprise. Word is that companies like EMF ("K-Love"), Calvary Twin Falls, etc. had hundreds of apps ready to file. Then the Commission announced, just a week before the window opened, that it would limit each applicant to just ten applications total in the window. EMF tried to get around that limit by filing ten applications for new stations - then filing 15 more to move some of their EXISTING noncomm licenses from other parts of the country to more populated areas. This is one of those - an app to move KQAI from Roswell NM, where it's licensed and operating, to Rising Sun MD. We'll see if the FCC allows those extra apps to go through, or if they decide those should fall under the 10-app limit and toss them. If KQAI were to be allowed to move, it would no doubt change calls in the process. s From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Dec 7 16:19:43 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:19:43 -0500 Subject: The Howard Stern Story Message-ID: <4759B8EF.7000201@ttlc.net> According to R&R, Sirius is planning on airing "The Howard Stern Story" Is this akin to the "Greatest Hits, obligatory Double-Live album followed by a long slow descent into obscurity" that so many Rock Bands suffer? Or is it an ego piece? Like Drake-Chenault's "The History Of Rock & Roll?" From billohno@gmail.com Sat Dec 8 13:48:52 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:48:52 -0500 Subject: The Howard Stern Story In-Reply-To: <4759B8EF.7000201@ttlc.net> References: <4759B8EF.7000201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <475AE714.9020706@gmail.com> Roger Kirk wrote: > According to R&R, Sirius is planning on airing "The Howard Stern Story" > > Is this akin to the "Greatest Hits, obligatory Double-Live album > followed by a long slow descent into obscurity" that so many Rock > Bands suffer? Or is it an ego piece? Like Drake-Chenault's "The > History Of Rock & Roll?" I can think of five hundred million reasons that Sirius would want to pump up some buzz on Stern. I have Sirius in the car and enjoy it but I choose to block the Stern channels and others that I find offensive. Is there any research out there that tracks listening between and among XM and Sirius? Bill O'Neill From nostaticatall@charter.net Sat Dec 8 18:09:55 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:09:55 -0500 Subject: The Howard Stern Story In-Reply-To: <475AE714.9020706@gmail.com> References: <4759B8EF.7000201@ttlc.net> <475AE714.9020706@gmail.com> Message-ID: IIRC, Arbitron put out a satellite radio "ratings book" a few months back which attempted to quantify which channels on both services were tuned in the most. Not surprisingly Stern's channel was by far the most listened to out of all satellite channels, although it's overall cume nationally was equal to one successful FM station in a medium market. Hardly earth-shattering. http://www.radio-info.com/in3_src/images/SP07_National_Satellite_P12.pdf Outside of Stern, the channel that received the most overall cume was XM's 20 on 20, which is a tight playlisted CHR. Other mainstream terrestrial formats on satellite radio also did well, along with the decades channels. In most cases, satellite radio channel playlists are just about as limited as their terrestrial counterparts, and the ones that are the tightest are the most popular. The only difference is there are more channels to choose from, and given that choice listeners are tuning into the formats that most closely resemble terrestrial stations. Go figure. That axiom hasn't changed in 50 years. Play a tight list of proven hits and the listeners will come. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Bill O'Neill wrote: > Roger Kirk wrote: >> According to R&R, Sirius is planning on airing "The Howard Stern >> Story" >> >> Is this akin to the "Greatest Hits, obligatory Double-Live album >> followed by a long slow descent into obscurity" that so many Rock >> Bands suffer? Or is it an ego piece? Like Drake-Chenault's "The >> History Of Rock & Roll?" > > I can think of five hundred million reasons that Sirius would want to > pump up some buzz on Stern. I have Sirius in the car and enjoy it but > I choose to block the Stern channels and others that I find offensive. > Is there any research out there that tracks listening between and > among XM and Sirius? > > Bill O'Neill > From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 8 20:06:54 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:06:54 -0500 Subject: Fred B. Cole Message-ID: <20071209010659.47DD61B698B@relay3.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> I grew up listening to the late Bob Clayton, Ken & Bill, and Fred B. Cole... my parents preferred Middle of the Road, and they loved the old WHDH... Thanks to Len Zola of the Media Gang for forwarding this notice from the funeral parlor: Fred B. Cole December 06, 2007 [] FRED B. COLE, of Hingham, died on Thursday, Dec. 6th at his home. Born in 1915, Fred was a Hingham native for 92 years. He graduated from Thayer Academy and the Leland Powers School of Broadcasting. Fred was a well known Boston Broadcaster working for stations WNAC, WBZ and WHDH. His career took him to Hollywood and New York City where he worked for both the ABC and NBC Networks. He was best known as the voice of the Big Bands, announcing for the Orchestras of Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw, Tommy Dorsey, Charlie Barnet, Chick Webb as well as vocalists Frank Sinatra and Vaughan Monroe among others. While working for WHDH from 1946 to 1967 he continued playing the sounds of the Big Bands. In the 60's he traveled New England in the first A& P sponsored Mobile Studio, allowing his listeners to view his show live. He created a huge fan base by connecting with many traveling salesmen who had become members of the Fred B. Cole Huckster's Club. As a tribute to his career, Fred was inducted into the Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of Fame in May of 2007. In 1984 Fred's smallest audience gave him his biggest thrill. For several years he was a rookie civilian dispatcher for his much admired and respected Hingham Police Department. He gave of his time to the town he so loved by serving on the Conservation Commission for many years. He was also a member of Old Colony Lodge, A.F. & A.M. of Hingham and was a longtime member of the Hingham Yacht Club. In addition, he served as a director of the Industrial Credit Union in Boston. He is survived by his wife of 65 years, the love of his life, Betsey (Balch) Cole. Devoted father of Cheryl Sherwin and her husband Leo, and Daphne Keeler and her husband Dan, all of Hingham. Four loving grandchildren; Scott McLaughlin of San Diego, Stacey Paretchan of Hingham, Dana Keeler of Boston and the late Dean Keeler. In addition, four great-grandchildren; Alex, Tyler, Danielle and Cole. At the request of his family, funeral services will be private. In lieu of flowers, donations in his memory may be made to the Hingham Land Conservation Trust, P.O. Box 10, Hingham, MA 02043. Driving Directions Print Page Downing Cottage Funeral Chapel 21 Pond Street Hingham, MA USA 02043 781-749-0340 HOME / BACK Fred B. Cole December 06, 2007 [] FRED B. COLE, of Hingham, died on Thursday, Dec. 6th at his home. Born in 1915, Fred was a Hingham native for 92 years. He graduated from Thayer Academy and the Leland Powers School of Broadcasting. Fred was a well known Boston Broadcaster working for stations WNAC, WBZ and WHDH. His career took him to Hollywood and New York City where he worked for both the ABC and NBC Networks. He was best known as the voice of the Big Bands, announcing for the Orchestras of Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw, Tommy Dorsey, Charlie Barnet, Chick Webb as well as vocalists Frank Sinatra and Vaughan Monroe among others. While working for WHDH from 1946 to 1967 he continued playing the sounds of the Big Bands. In the 60's he traveled New England in the first A& P sponsored Mobile Studio, allowing his listeners to view his show live. He created a huge fan base by connecting with many traveling salesmen who had become members of the Fred B. Cole Huckster's Club. As a tribute to his career, Fred was inducted into the Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of Fame in May of 2007. In 1984 Fred's smallest audience gave him his biggest thrill. For several years he was a rookie civilian dispatcher for his much admired and respected Hingham Police Department. He gave of his time to the town he so loved by serving on the Conservation Commission for many years. He was also a member of Old Colony Lodge, A.F. & A.M. of Hingham and was a longtime member of the Hingham Yacht Club. In addition, he served as a director of the Industrial Credit Union in Boston. He is survived by his wife of 65 years, the love of his life, Betsey (Balch) Cole. Devoted father of Cheryl Sherwin and her husband Leo, and Daphne Keeler and her husband Dan, all of Hingham. Four loving grandchildren; Scott McLaughlin of San Diego, Stacey Paretchan of Hingham, Dana Keeler of Boston and the late Dean Keeler. In addition, four great-grandchildren; Alex, Tyler, Danielle and Cole. At the request of his family, funeral services will be private. In lieu of flowers, donations in his memory may be made to the Hingham Land Conservation Trust, P.O. Box 10, Hingham, MA 02043. From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 8 21:26:28 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:26:28 -0500 Subject: Let's Talk About Radio Message-ID: <475B0C04.15887.25F652@joe.attorneyross.com> I'm surprised no one has posted this here yet, but Bob Bittner has announced a special edition of Let's Talk About Radio tomorrow morning from 10:30 AM to noon on WJIB 740, with Bob, Donna, and Misty the dog. It will also be heard on WJTO from 2:00 to 3:30 PM. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109-2004 http://www.attorneyross.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 8 14:35:49 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:35:49 -0500 Subject: Alternate Paper's Story on WCAP Message-ID: <20071208193549.A93B71F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> There's a so-called alternative paper published in the Merrimack Valley called the Valley Patriot. This month's issue contains a lengthy article about WCAP's plans vis-a-vis (a little French lingo) cities and towns outside of the Lowell metro. The URL is: http://www.valleypatriot.com/VP120607WCAP.html (WCAP receivable in Portsmouth? Oops...I think not, thanks to WZAN-AM 970 in Portland, Maine!) -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 8 15:56:05 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:56:05 -0500 Subject: LTAR On WJIB-AM & WJTO Sunday Message-ID: <20071208205605.A986B1BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Bob Bittner just posted an announcement on radio-info.com's Boston and Northern New England boards that "Let's Talk About Radio" will make an appearance on Sunday, December 9th on WJIB-AM 740 in Cambridge,MA and WJTO-AM 730 in Bath, ME. On WJIB, it will be heard from 10:30 am till noon; on WJTO, it will be heard from 2:00 pm till 2:30. That's a long time for one guy to talk, so Donna Halper will assist. Is there enough news for 90 minutes? Yeah, I guess so. -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 9 08:08:10 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:08:10 -0500 Subject: Alternate Paper's Story on WCAP References: <20071208193549.A93B71F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000201c83a64$8e2fff70$18eca644@SatU205S5044> Good article. I knew Poulten only from Your Mother Should Know and only from when it was on WHET and WDLW in the mid-to-late '70s. It was obvious to anyone who listened that Sam was a character, but my reading of this article was my first clue as to just how much of a character. At least, from his own disclaimers about his good fortune in not having to serve in actual combat, you get that "war hero" is a somewhat overblown characterization, so he isn't exactly Prof Harold Hill. I've urged Clark to try to get Sam to revive Your Mother Should Know on a Saturday night on WCAP. Maybe Sam doesn't have the time to do the show on a regular basis, but with proper promotion, I think it could attract a following even if it aired only infrequently. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Alternate Paper's Story on WCAP There's a so-called alternative paper published in the Merrimack Valley called the Valley Patriot. This month's issue contains a lengthy article about WCAP's plans vis-a-vis (a little French lingo) cities and towns outside of the Lowell metro. The URL is: http://www.valleypatriot.com/VP120607WCAP.html (WCAP receivable in Portsmouth? Oops...I think not, thanks to WZAN-AM 970 in Portland, Maine!) -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 9 12:32:19 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:32:19 -0500 Subject: Bob Bittner's frozen, sinusoidal cricket Message-ID: <000901c83a89$74e40410$18eca644@SatU205S5044> I just got through listening to Bob and Donna's marathon LTAR (the one and only broadcast of the show in 2007, I believe). I am puzzled and intrigued by the sound effect that ran through the entire broadcast--the second part without Donna as well as the first part with her. Bob must possess one of the world's few (nearly) frozen sinusoidal crickets. I think everyone knows that the rate at which a cricket chirps is directly proportional to the ambient temperature. A cricket that chirps only once every five or ten seconds would thus seem to be in danger of freezing to death. Well, Bob's cricket chirps at that rate (more or less) and is unusual in another way as well. He (or she) chirps what sounds like a pure sinusoid at I'd guess about 1 kHz in two closely spaced bursts--the first maybe 200 msec long, the second maybe half that. There is also some indication that the poor little fellow's energy was flagging during the 90-minute program because his chirps started out very loud and were less so--though still clearly audible--by the end of the program. It's supposed to be bad luck to kill a cricket and I have corroborating anecdotal evidence: I once worked for a nice guy named Charlie Smith who killed a cricket (Fred) that had invaded our offices in Framingham. Five years or so later, Charlie dropped dead of a heart attack while out for an early-morning jog. So I would not recommend to Bob that he kill this cricket--assuming that he can locate it. But capturing it and taking it outside to reacquaint it with the fresh air on Concord Ave (if that's where the program was taped) is recommended. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From kvahey@comcast.net Sun Dec 9 17:45:01 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:45:01 -0500 Subject: The final moments of WNAC-TV Message-ID: <4fc429770712091445t3b6942f2w16ef53d87a167eb6@mail.gmail.com> Like WHDH-TV Channel 5 10 years earlier, WNAC-TV it's very checkered history without a whimper on May 22, 1982. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1KnCWWMnsE Then WNEV was born http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-rHMo4tTw The booth announcer was Leif Jensen ( is he still alive? ) A few months ago somebody posted the famed harpsichord sign off of WGBH. Now the complete sign off with William Pierce is online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKFZKxTwjE From dan.strassberg@att.net Sun Dec 9 17:51:09 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:51:09 -0500 Subject: The final moments of WNAC-TV References: <4fc429770712091445t3b6942f2w16ef53d87a167eb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c83ab5$ff7b9580$adeca644@SatU205S5044> I'm not sure whether Leif Jenssen is still alive but I think he is. His son, Gregg, does news at WBZ Radio. Despite great pipes, which he clearly inherited from his dad, Gregg is plagued by an odd accent that I can't classify or characterize. All I can say about it is that it doesn't take long to get very old. Makes him kind of an automatic tune-out for me. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: The final moments of WNAC-TV > Like WHDH-TV Channel 5 10 years earlier, WNAC-TV it's very checkered > history without a whimper on May 22, 1982. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1KnCWWMnsE > > Then WNEV was born > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-rHMo4tTw > > The booth announcer was Leif Jensen ( is he still alive? ) > > A few months ago somebody posted the famed harpsichord sign off of > WGBH. Now the complete sign off with William Pierce is online. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKFZKxTwjE From billings@suscom-maine.net Sun Dec 9 20:54:13 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:54:13 -0500 Subject: Bud Sawyer comes back, big time Message-ID: A column by Bill Nemitz in today's Maine Sunday Telegram talks about Bud Sawyer returning to the air at low power WJZF. Read the column at: http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=153713&ac=PHnws From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Dec 9 22:28:07 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:28:07 -0500 Subject: LTAR On WJIB-AM & WJTO Sunday In-Reply-To: <20071208205605.A986B1BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071208205605.A986B1BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <119725729101@mx05.gis.net> Did anybody record the show ? At 03:56 PM 12/8/2007, Laurence Glavin wrote: >Bob Bittner just posted an announcement on radio-info.com's Boston >and Northern New England >boards that "Let's Talk About Radio" will make an appearance on >Sunday, December 9th >on WJIB-AM 740 in Cambridge,MA and WJTO-AM 730 in Bath, ME. >On WJIB, it will be heard from 10:30 am till noon; >on WJTO, it will be heard from 2:00 pm till 2:30. > >That's a long time for one guy to talk, so Donna Halper will assist. >Is there enough news for 90 minutes? Yeah, I guess so. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Dec 9 23:56:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:56:22 -0500 Subject: LTAR On WJIB-AM & WJTO Sunday In-Reply-To: <119725729101@mx05.gis.net> References: <20071208205605.A986B1BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <119725729101@mx05.gis.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0712092056t34d3475frad67a55a4ee4b4bb@mail.gmail.com> I did, and you can contact me for more details. From kvahey@comcast.net Mon Dec 10 01:01:19 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:01:19 -0500 Subject: shameful blow our own horn on Channel 4 Message-ID: <4fc429770712092201yecec5ffp9e0557edc541b314@mail.gmail.com> I saw it Saturday night and was amazed that WBZ would give nearly 2 minutes of newstime to a story promoting a new venture between CBS and the Patriots. http://wbztv.com/sports/Patriot.Place.Foxboro.2.607023.html The plan is for Sports Final to move to the new Foxboro studio opens. CBS is the home channel for most Patriots games and also owns WBCN that carries the games on radio. I see Dan Kennedy is also shaking his head over this 2 minute commercial on the news. http://medianation.blogspot.com/2007/12/crossing-infomercial-divide.html From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Dec 10 11:27:22 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:27:22 -0500 Subject: WESX...Nahant??? Message-ID: <20071210162722.C79858398D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Nahant Massachusetts, my home town, is of course a bustling metropolis of shopping centers, major highways, and skyscrapers. Naah, just pulling your leg. It is, of course, by area the smallest town in the Commonwealth (one square mile) and boasts about 3,600 people. According to http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html (Scott Fybush's NorthEast Radio Watch) WESX is looking into the possibility that this spot of land in the Bay State could be the new COL for WESX. Surely the high Spanish-speaking population of Nahant will be glad to be the city of license for WESX, eh? (Kidding.) Well, it'll help Principle Broadcasting get closer to Boston. They'd be using the WLYN tower. I guess the FCC said that making it "WESX, Saugus" wouldn't work because they couldn't cover all of that community (at night) but making it "WESX, Nahant" would, I guess. So could that little peninsula of land be, at least on paper, the home to the mighty WESX? (A town with no middle or high school, no traffic lights...) :) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Dec 10 12:25:24 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:25:24 -0500 Subject: WESX...Nahant??? In-Reply-To: <20071210162722.C79858398D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001001c83b51$a7ad95a0$6800a8c0@lysthia> > > So could that little peninsula of land be, at least on paper, > the home to the mighty WESX? (A town with no middle or high > school, no traffic lights...) :) > I think that you could use a Mr. Microphone in Nahant and still be within the required coverage contours. Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 Office: (978)538-7575 Fax: (978)538-7550 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM From rogerkola@aol.com Mon Dec 10 19:45:50 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:45:50 -0500 Subject: WESX...Nahant??? References: <20071210162722.C79858398D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003c01c83b8f$3110b600$0200a8c0@Tanguray> At 750 watts at night, it still may not be able to cover the "backside" of the big island...it is...just one huge rock...interesting thought though... Maybe in the summer they could put on the reverb and play beach music for the causeway al la WABC in the 60/70's? Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: WESX...Nahant??? Nahant Massachusetts, my home town, is of course a bustling metropolis of shopping centers, major highways, and skyscrapers. Naah, just pulling your leg. It is, of course, by area the smallest town in the Commonwealth (one square mile) and boasts about 3,600 people. According to http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html (Scott Fybush's NorthEast Radio Watch) WESX is looking into the possibility that this spot of land in the Bay State could be the new COL for WESX. Surely the high Spanish-speaking population of Nahant will be glad to be the city of license for WESX, eh? (Kidding.) Well, it'll help Principle Broadcasting get closer to Boston. They'd be using the WLYN tower. I guess the FCC said that making it "WESX, Saugus" wouldn't work because they couldn't cover all of that community (at night) but making it "WESX, Nahant" would, I guess. So could that little peninsula of land be, at least on paper, the home to the mighty WESX? (A town with no middle or high school, no traffic lights...) :) From madprof@ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 10 19:22:17 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:22:17 -0500 Subject: Google Earth Message-ID: <380-220071221102217390@ix.netcom.com> I've been experimenting with Google Earth, once I realized that the satellite images do generally have resolution sufficient to show radio / TV towers! (and non-broadcast towers) The critical touch is knowing where to look (from FCC coords), and adjusting "eye altitude", generally less then 5000' before towers are even visable, and order of 1000' give a decent view. Towers are not modeled as 3D objects.(yet?).... only buildings, generally in large cities. Good uses are to confirm array layouts, locations, and FCC flawed coordinates. ("there's no such thing" uh huh) Google Earth coordinate readings generally have a small difference from USGS maps, longitude worse (a few seconds), maybe varible. I have not sufficiently correlated the difference to offer any ideas of prediction. Tower shots are generally laid down, meaning viewed at an angle, not on straight-up (down) view). Seeing a tower's shadow helps a lot in reading location. There is a lens effect, circular distortion, (seen when move area (by clicking on "hand") so don't trust distances exactly. Commonly a marker is included, usually the studio/offices, likely not the tower site. Don't expect satellite images to be very recent, but WUNR site 42:17:20,71:11:22 appears to show 5(7) towers, thus the new construction! Resolution depends on the quality of satellite image, apparently subject to what an individual state has funded. MA in general is very good resolution (Boston - very good), Springfield - ok. N of Springfield, Mt.Tom - can't see the towers, Pittsfield - ok, Worcester - ok (WTAG excellent) NY: Albany area (including the Helderbergs with WRBG 6, etc) has markers / labels of towers site, but detail is totally insufficient to show any tower. NYC is excellent resolution, ie the WCBS-WFAN tower on High Island 40:51:35,73:47:09 at a eye altitude of 500'. Phily, Baltimore, DC, Atlanta - very good. Generally I screen-save images (via Paint Shop Pro) as a jpg, but some, too much detail is lost, a gif is necessary (but huge, ie 350kb) 3D models of buildings, I find, confuse locating towers in a city due to simple models of buildings. Thus image doesn't show tower on that building (which "flat file" image does show). To turn off 3D buildings, use left control column, find "Layers", uncheck "3D buildings" box. WROL, which the FCC coordinates, 42:26:15,70:59:40 has long-term been a difference from USGS map, ("WRYT") Google Earth pinned it solid to agree with USGS. An interesting view is DC's WDCW 50 38:57:44, 77:01:36 a curious --wide-- legged self-standing tower. DC's WDCA 20 38:57:49,770618 very difficult to understand, all I see is a white ghost. Los Angeles's Mount Wilson (ie KABC-TV 34:13:37,118:03:58) very good detail, even tho towers appear pointing upside-down. have fun! Bob Sutherland From billohno@gmail.com Mon Dec 10 19:31:35 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:31:35 -0500 Subject: shameful blow our own horn on Channel 4 In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712092201yecec5ffp9e0557edc541b314@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712092201yecec5ffp9e0557edc541b314@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475DDA67.9030205@gmail.com> Kevin Vahey wrote: > I saw it Saturday night and was amazed that WBZ would give nearly 2 > minutes of newstime to a story promoting a new venture between CBS and > the Patriots. > The question is, will people go there for the wings or the waitresses? Up next, WBZ Shimmer -- It's a floor wax _and_ a dessert topping -- tastes great, and just _look_ at that shine! Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 10 19:44:19 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:44:19 -0500 Subject: WESX...Nahant??? References: <20071210162722.C79858398D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <003c01c83b8f$3110b600$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Message-ID: <000501c83b8e$f929a530$adeca644@SatU205S5044> 450 Watts--day and night into WLYN's near half-wave (at 1230) stick. The RMS (243.24 mV/m @ 1 km) is just over the minimum for a full kilowatt into a minimum-conforming Class C antenna, which would be just a bit taller than 1/8 wavelength. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kolakowski" To: "Bob Nelson" ; "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: WESX...Nahant??? > At 750 watts at night, it still may not be able to cover the > "backside" of > the big island...it is...just one huge rock...interesting thought > though... > > Maybe in the summer they could put on the reverb and play beach > music for > the causeway al la WABC in the 60/70's? > > Roger > WA1KAT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:27 AM > Subject: WESX...Nahant??? > > > Nahant Massachusetts, my home town, is of course a bustling > metropolis of > shopping centers, > major highways, and skyscrapers. Naah, just pulling your leg. It is, > of > course, by area > the smallest town in the Commonwealth (one square mile) and boasts > about > 3,600 people. > According to http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html (Scott Fybush's > NorthEast Radio > Watch) > WESX is looking into the possibility that this spot of land in the > Bay State > could be the new COL for WESX. > > Surely the high Spanish-speaking population of Nahant will be glad > to be the > city of > license for WESX, eh? (Kidding.) Well, it'll help Principle > Broadcasting get > closer to Boston. > They'd be using the WLYN tower. I guess the FCC said that making it > "WESX, > Saugus" > wouldn't work because they couldn't cover all of that community (at > night) > but > making it "WESX, Nahant" would, I guess. > > So could that little peninsula of land be, at least on paper, the > home to > the mighty WESX? (A town with no middle or high school, no traffic > lights...) :) > From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Mon Dec 10 21:16:20 2007 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:16:20 -0500 Subject: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <380-220071221102217390@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220071221102217390@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: You don't even need Google Earth. Go to http://maps.live.com/ Search for, say, "350 Cedar St." in Needham, select Bird's-Eye view and scroll around. Bird's-Eye isn't in all areas but is in most metro areas that would have interesting structures. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Dec 10 21:20:56 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:20:56 -0500 Subject: Google Earth In-Reply-To: <380-220071221102217390@ix.netcom.com> References: <380-220071221102217390@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <18269.62472.426928.445071@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Google Earth coordinate readings generally have a small difference > from USGS maps, longitude worse (a few seconds), maybe varible. > I have not sufficiently correlated the difference > to offer any ideas of prediction. Most likely it's an issue of different geodetic datums. The FCC uses NAD27 (the North American Datum of 1927) for broadcast licensing, although for antenna-structure registration, WGS84 (World Geodetic System 1984) is used -- probably Google Earth does the same. There is a utility on the Media Bureau's Web site to convert between the two. -GAWollman From madprof@ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 11 14:07:36 2007 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:07:36 -0500 Subject: Google Earth, Live Search Message-ID: <380-220071221119736968@ix.netcom.com> Thank you, David, I have used Live Search (Microsoft Virtual Earth), but hadn't tried birds eye. WBZ-TV image is more impressive then Google Earth, sharper detail (was able to splice a bunch of views together for most of the height, but the xmttr elements were not available). The image of the tower on the PRU is impressive. WUNR site (2 towers, pre-construction) is very sharp! WROL is not in an area of birds eye view. Live Search for "WTAG, Worcester, MA" gives: 58 Stereo Ln, Paxton, MA; the tower site is actually off Woodland Rd, Chaffinville, which is barely in birds-eye data base; only in small scale. Albany NY: birds eye not available. BUT the Helderbergs (mountain range) (TV towers, ie WRGB), ARE in birds eye! Just takes a lot of "scrolling around". Live search has no coords, specific (fixed) zoom scales (thus can't adjust view to fit an array in same image or to maximum clarity, often available view is less-then-desired size / clarity. To me anyway, Live Search is more difficult to handle, to locate sites, etc. Many stations do not give an address for the tower site, making Live Search harder to pinpoint the Google Earth. For my purposes, Google Earth is preferred; Live Search birds eye view is useful as a secondary tool.. Bob Sutherland > [Original Message] > From: David Moisan > To: BRI > Date: 12/10/2007 9:16:24 PM > Subject: RE: Google Earth > > You don't even need Google Earth. Go to http://maps.live.com/ From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 11 14:54:54 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:54:54 -0500 Subject: Alex Trebek Hospitalized Message-ID: <20071211195454.E47AE1042A@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> "Jeopardy" host Alex Trebek has been hospitalized with a mild heart attack. The doctors told him it was a mild myocardial infarction. He replied: "could you put that in the form of a question?". "Name the disease you have." "Oh." -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From kvahey@comcast.net Tue Dec 11 22:11:29 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:11:29 -0500 Subject: Alex Trebek Hospitalized In-Reply-To: <20071211195454.E47AE1042A@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071211195454.E47AE1042A@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770712111911i5c63ee58v3e4bd531aa000343@mail.gmail.com> When Alex was in Boston a few years ago taping Jeopardy he told the audience he got interested as a young boy growing up in Sudbury, Ontario listening to WBZ at night. On Dec 11, 2007 2:54 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > "Jeopardy" host Alex Trebek has been hospitalized with a mild heart > attack. The doctors > told him it was a mild myocardial infarction. He replied: "could you put > that in the form > of a question?". "Name the disease you have." "Oh." > > > From markwats@comcast.net Wed Dec 12 05:45:31 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:45:31 -0500 Subject: News Center 5 On WCAP Message-ID: <001801c83cac$1ecb71b0$738d764c@Mark> Starting today, WCAP will be airing the audio of the 5 to 6 AM hour of WCVB's "News Center 5 Eyeopener" as well as the 5:30 to 6:30 PM weeknight newscasts. Westwood One's "America In The Morning" had previously aired in the 5AM hour. When Clark Smidt (new WCAP owner) had owned WNNH in Henniker NH he had aired the audio of WMUR's 6PM news. Mark Watson From lglavin@mail.com Wed Dec 12 13:31:36 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:31:36 -0500 Subject: Alex Trebek Hospitalized Message-ID: <20071212183136.D9ABE11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Vahey" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Alex Trebek Hospitalized >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:11:29 -0500 >When Alex was in Boston a few years ago taping Jeopardy he told the audience he got interested as a young boy growing up in Sudbury, >Ontario listening to WBZ at night. Did he call the station WB-Zed? -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From lglavin@mail.com Wed Dec 12 13:35:42 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:35:42 -0500 Subject: News Center 5 On WCAP Message-ID: <20071212183543.41CB01158CD@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Watson" >To: "Boston Radio" >Subject: News Center 5 On WCAP >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:45:31 -0500 >Starting today, WCAP will be airing the audio of the 5 to 6 AM >hour of WCVB's "News Center 5 Eyeopener" as well as the 5:30 to >6:30 PM weeknight newscasts. Westwood One's "America In The >Morning" had previously aired in the 5AM hour. >When Clark Smidt (new WCAP owner) had owned WNNH in Henniker NH >he had aired the audio of WMUR's 6PM news. >Mark Watson Wait a minute: "5:30 pm to 6:30PM"? Isn't that cutting in to half-an-hour of thge drive-time local show on WCAP? I don't see that as a plus. -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Dec 12 17:17:41 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:17:41 -0500 Subject: Christmas Music Question Message-ID: <47605E05.8020003@ttlc.net> Back when Mike was Star 93.7, they played a Christmas song about the 12 Gifts of Christmas - Italian Style. It sounded like it might have been recorded locally (East Boston?). All attempts to inquire about the artist and/or availability were met with stony silence. Anybody on list or lurking here know more about it? From kwillcox@wnsh.com Thu Dec 13 12:54:59 2007 From: kwillcox@wnsh.com (Keating Willcox) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:54:59 -0500 Subject: Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> At 12:00 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >Back when Mike was Star 93.7, they played a Christmas song about the >12 Gifts of Christmas - Italian Style. It sounded like it might >have been recorded locally (East Boston?). Weird Al The 12 Things at Christmas That's Such a Pain to Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiVp_ePHqE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiVp_ePHqE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGdrMOttV_s&feature=related Sincerely, Keating Willcox ~/~ WNSH AM 1570 Beverly Women's Talk Radio By Women - For Women kwillcox@wnsh.com www.wnsh.com (617) 262-1119 FAX 978-468-1954 transmitter Beverly, MA Main Studio: 31 Woodbury Street South Hamilton, MA 01982 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 13 14:57:39 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:57:39 -0500 Subject: Christmas In-Reply-To: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0712131157r65c17e7dv5484227a2f614a0c@mail.gmail.com> Actually that song was done orig by the Bob Rivers Comedy Corp. He does a morning show on a classic rock station in Seattle http://www.bobrivers.com > Weird Al The 12 Things at Christmas That's Such a Pain to Me > From hykker@wildblue.net Thu Dec 13 18:51:19 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:51:19 -0500 Subject: Christmas Music Question In-Reply-To: <47605E05.8020003@ttlc.net> References: <47605E05.8020003@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20071213235131.5FD7036CC38@mail1.wildblue.net> At 05:17 PM 12/12/2007, Roger Kirk wrote: >Back when Mike was Star 93.7, they played a Christmas song about the >12 Gifts of Christmas - Italian Style. It sounded like it might >have been recorded locally (East Boston?). All attempts to inquire >about the artist and/or availability were met with stony >silence. Anybody on list or lurking here know more about it? Could it have been by Lou Monte? He did any number of songs "Italian style". From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Dec 13 19:42:58 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:58 -0500 Subject: Christmas In-Reply-To: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> References: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: I know the song you're talking about. It's the "12 Days of a Guido Christmas" by Joey Balls. If you do a Google search, you'll find multiple sites where you can stream the track. Joey Balls is a novelty artist out of New York that has gotten airplay from his Yankees fight songs on New York area radio stations along with "Guido Christmas." It's starts out with "On the first day of Christmas, my Paizan gave to me...." Among the lines in the song... 5 Pinky riiiiiiiings... 4 fresh cannolis all 3 Godfathers 2 Ginny Tees ..and a ride in his IROC-Z.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Keating Willcox wrote: > At 12:00 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >> Back when Mike was Star 93.7, they played a Christmas song about the >> 12 Gifts of Christmas - Italian Style. It sounded like it might have >> been recorded locally (East Boston?). > > Weird Al The 12 Things at Christmas That's Such a Pain to Me > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiVp_ePHqE&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiVp_ePHqE&feature=related > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGdrMOttV_s&feature=related > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Dec 14 14:16:44 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:16:44 -0500 Subject: Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <200712131938.lBDJco4h062704@tsornin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <4762D69C.8000107@ttlc.net> David Tomm wrote: > I know the song you're talking about. It's the "12 Days of a Guido > Christmas" by Joey Balls. Joey Balls is a novelty artist out > of New York that has gotten airplay from his Yankees fight songs on > New York area radio stations along with "Guido Christmas." That's It! Thanks! From jjlehmann@comcast.net Fri Dec 14 18:38:29 2007 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:38:29 -0500 Subject: 96.7 W244CF Plymouth (Bourne) Message-ID: <00f901c83eaa$6eff59d0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> It looks like 96.7 W244CF filed for a license to cover yesterday. However, the station is still not on the air. Isn't the station supposed to actually go on the air when they do this? Now they've extended the license to 2014... Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Dec 14 21:57:50 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:57:50 -0500 Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? Message-ID: <476342AE.9030201@ttlc.net> Media Matters has detected a possible anti-gay slur in a recent Imus show and posted the audio clip on their web site. (R&R Headlines) Is everyone gonna be gunning for him now? From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 15 10:41:35 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:41:35 -0500 Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? Message-ID: <20071215154135.67A1910FE8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roger Kirk" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:57:50 -0500 >Media Matters has detected a possible anti-gay slur in a recent >Imus show and posted the audio clip on their web site. (R&R >Headlines) >Is everyone gonna be gunning for him now? That was minor and of no consequence...but Media Matters published a more outrageous comment, this time by Michael Weiner (Savage), who accused the residents of New Hampshire of being a bunch of yokels, drunkards and stamp collectors (I'm not making this up). (The show ran December 12th and presumably was heard on WGIR-AM Manchester and WGIN-AM 930, Rochester. That must have gone over well.) -- 10 Great Gift Ideas- Take a Look! http://mail.shopping.com/?linkin_id=8033174 From kvahey@comcast.net Sat Dec 15 11:54:19 2007 From: kvahey@comcast.net (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:54:19 -0500 Subject: Boston not considered in best of local markets list Message-ID: <4fc429770712150854g4b270291y2ce5d04d25121d40@mail.gmail.com> The people over at Edison Research have come up with their Top 10 local markets for radio in the US and Boston did not make the cut. The only mention for Boston comes when they talk about San Francisco http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2007/11/the_ten_best_ma.php Oh how the mighty have fallen From rac@gabrielmass.com Sat Dec 15 14:36:06 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:36:06 -0500 Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? In-Reply-To: <20071215154135.67A1910FE8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071215154135.67A1910FE8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47642CA6.40104@gabrielmass.com> On 12/15/2007 10:41 AM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > Michael Weiner (Savage) [...] accused the residents of New Hampshire > of being a bunch of yokels, drunkards and stamp collectors Three types of ne'er-do-wells, hm? He's probably thinking of the old adage: philately will get you nowhere. --RC From lspin@comcast.net Sat Dec 15 15:29:51 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:29:51 -0500 Subject: Boston not considered in best of local markets list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712150854g4b270291y2ce5d04d25121d40@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770712150854g4b270291y2ce5d04d25121d40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c83f59$3ef03cf0$bcd0b6d0$@net> Hmm... Can't say that I agree about SF being #3. I made my first visit to SF in September and found radio to be incredibly dull. Did I miss something? -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@tsornin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:54 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Boston not considered in best of local markets list The people over at Edison Research have come up with their Top 10 local markets for radio in the US and Boston did not make the cut. The only mention for Boston comes when they talk about San Francisco http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2007/11/the_ten_best_ma.php Oh how the mighty have fallen From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Dec 15 10:40:53 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:40:53 -0500 Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? In-Reply-To: <476342AE.9030201@ttlc.net> References: <476342AE.9030201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <20071215221806.9426D4A38C4@mail2.wildblue.net> At 09:57 PM 12/14/2007, Roger Kirk wrote: >Media Matters has detected a possible anti-gay slur in a recent Imus >show and posted the audio clip on their web site. (R&R Headlines) > >Is everyone gonna be gunning for him now? Is this the same organization that "got" him back in April? I think it's sad that there are those who have nothing better to do than to try and discredit public figures they disagree with. From hykker@wildblue.net Sat Dec 15 17:23:34 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:23:34 -0500 Subject: Boston not considered in best of local markets list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770712150854g4b270291y2ce5d04d25121d40@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770712150854g4b270291y2ce5d04d25121d40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071215222348.3C877564505@mail3.wildblue.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: >The people over at Edison Research have come up with their Top 10 >local markets for radio in the US and Boston did not make the cut. > >The only mention for Boston comes when they talk about San Francisco I didn't see anything there listing the criteria used. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Dec 15 17:51:25 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:51:25 -0500 Subject: WCRN adds more local talk and CBS News Message-ID: <20071215225125.EC44283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> WCRN is adding another hour of local talk (and perhaps more in the future) plus CBS News at the top of the hour, after the first of the year. http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2007/12/15/worcesters_wcrn_wants_to_be_true_to_its_words/ WTAG's Allen Callendar was hired for news, and Diane Williamson of the Telegram and Gazette will do one hour per day. They run Peter Blute in mornings, Hank Stolz in pm drive (had been Howie Carr until the uncertainty about where he was headed), and syndie talk from Laura Ingraham and Michael Savage (and that immortal "Drew Mortgage Show" at high noon) From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Dec 15 18:24:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:24:24 -0500 Subject: Do People Still Read The Trades? In-Reply-To: <20071215225125.EC44283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071215225125.EC44283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20071215232429.BDACF1B9453@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> I asked this on another list-serv that is more national in focus, but I also wanted to ask you nice folks on a more local basis. Once upon a time, in a kingdom before the internet, we all subscribed to the Trades-- like Billboard, Radio & Records, even some of the tip sheets like Friday Morning Quarterback. These days, so much has changed, and as I do my budget, I am wondering what to re-new. So much is on line now, and so much is duplicated. Over the years, a lot of stations just kept getting all the major trade publications, almost like it was a habit, but now I notice some stations cutting back. Do any of you still subscribe to Radio & Records or Inside Radio? Since Tom Taylor moved over to Radio-Info, I find myself wondering if I still need the outrageously expensive subscription to Inside Radio, and I also wonder whether I need to subscribe to Radio & Records (which used to give us advertisers a discount but now doesn't any more). Billboard still has some interesting articles, although it seems a lot of their content is moving onto their website. I get several radio business magazines, and some general industry news mags, but there's only a finite amount of time, and subscription rates ain't cheap. So what's still worth subscribing to, as far as you are concerned, and why? Do any of you still get the tipsheets and what trades are valuable to you? Of course I am a big fan of print journalism, since I've done so much free-lancing over the years. But I need to re-evaluate my budget for the up-coming year, as I said; and I'm trying to figure out what I need and what is no longer worth the money. Your opinions? From billohno@gmail.com Sat Dec 15 14:05:07 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:05:07 -0500 Subject: Imus In Trouble Again? In-Reply-To: <20071215154135.67A1910FE8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20071215154135.67A1910FE8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <47642563.8080608@gmail.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > That was minor and of no consequence...but Media Matters published a more outrageous > comment, this time by Michael Weiner (Savage), who accused the residents of New Hampshire > of being a bunch of yokels, drunkards and stamp collectors (I'm not making this up). > As a product of the National Gateway to Pelham (NH), the Town of Dracut, Mass., I, er, um, represent, I mean, resent that. And what is a yokel? Clearly, by Savage's definition, a yokel must be someone who can tie one on and still manage to collect stamps. Isn't that multi-tasking? Bill O'Neill formerly o' the Town-a-Dracut // From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 23:52:06 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:52:06 -0500 Subject: Do People Still Read The Trades? References: <20071215225125.EC44283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <20071215232429.BDACF1B9453@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <004201c83f9f$7c2e05c0$6401a8c0@default> Just R&R now..."Radio & Records". Thats all I read in paper form. Tom Taylors column (from Radio-Info) is emailed to me...so I don't need Inside Radio anymore. I haven't found anyhthing in Billboard worth reading in a long time. Long ago I used to like Broadcasting magazine to keep an overview of the business side...I haven't even seen a copy in awhile...I don't know if it's even published. If I was a music director trying to keep track of adds, burn, spins, etc...I suppose I would want to look at some tip sheets/music magazines. As you said a lot of the mags are ridiculously expensive..... From hykker@wildblue.net Sun Dec 16 08:52:43 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:52:43 -0500 Subject: Do People Still Read The Trades? In-Reply-To: <004201c83f9f$7c2e05c0$6401a8c0@default> References: <20071215225125.EC44283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> <20071215232429.BDACF1B9453@relay1.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com> <004201c83f9f$7c2e05c0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <20071216135253.332B556439A@mail3.wildblue.net> At 11:52 PM 12/15/2007, Don A wrote: >Just R&R now..."Radio & Records". Thats all I read in paper form. > >Tom Taylors column (from Radio-Info) is emailed to me...so I don't >need Inside Radio anymore. > >I haven't found anyhthing in Billboard worth reading in a long time. Gotta agree with you on Billboard. I don't think any station I've worked for has subscribed to that since the early 90s. Way too expensive, and what few articles and/or news that's relevant to radio are old news by the time they're published. Even the charts seem to be a few weeks behind R&R. The Hot 100 is essentially useless in these fragmented times. About 10 years ago when station I was MD of did a Saturday-night mix show, I'd go to the library and photocopy the dance charts, but that was about it. I haven't been in programming since 2000, but R&R seems to be about the only trade I still see in the PDs' offices. From fox893@yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 09:44:29 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:44:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Do People Still Read The Trades? In-Reply-To: <004201c83f9f$7c2e05c0$6401a8c0@default> Message-ID: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Just R&R now..."Radio & Records". Thats all I read > in paper form. > R&R is good. But, I feel, more important for reporting, than recieiving information. Most of what is discussed in the hardcopy of the magazine can be obtained from their website. For non-musical info, I tend to read Radio Ink and Radio World. Also, Morning Mouth seems like a great source of ideas, but I would never pay for a subscription. Too expensive for bit ideas(the entertainment news is waaaayyy out of date before it gets to the jock). Cooper "Bleary-Eyed" Fox Dealing with Cancellations ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mike@miscon.net Tue Dec 18 13:47:41 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:47:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? In-Reply-To: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> There’s an interesting debate going on today at the Beeb… ? ? Apparently, BBC’s Radio 1 program has cut out the word "faggot" from the song "Fairytale of New York," by the Irish band The Pogues and singer Kirsty MacColl. ? ? In the track, released 20 years ago, MacColl sings "You scumbag, you maggot… You cheap lousy faggot…" as her character in the song argues with a character counter-sung by Shane MacGowan. ? ? The song is a perennial Christmastime favorite in – and arguably even here in the ?on rock stations. ? At least 90% of its?listeners are criticizing the BBC for editing the song (according to its own online data, while one BBC online news editor claims the figure is “virtually 100%”), saying, “it's PC madness gone wrong.” ? ? BBC 1, however, is standing by its decision to edit the song. ? ? What say you, esteemed members of this list? ? ? Play it – unedited, edited, or simply don’t play it at all? Has it even been a concern here? Mike From mike@miscon.net Tue Dec 18 13:54:36 2007 From: mike@miscon.net (mike@miscon.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:54:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: resend - BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? In-Reply-To: <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> I am SO sorry about that - new @* % text editor! ------- There’s an interesting debate going on today at the Beeb… ? ? Apparently, BBC’s Radio 1 program has cut out the word "faggot" from the song "Fairytale of New York," by the Irish band The Pogues and singer Kirsty MacColl. ? ? In the track, released 20 years ago, MacColl sings "You scumbag, you maggot… You cheap lousy faggot…" as her character in the song argues with a character counter-sung by Shane MacGowan. ? ? The song is a perennial Christmastime favorite in – and arguably even here in the on rock stations. ? At least 90% of listeners are criticizing the BBC for editing the song (according to its own online data, while one BBC online news editor claims the figure is “virtually 100%”), saying, “it's PC madness gone wrong.” ? ? BBC 1, however, is standing by its decision to edit the song. ? ? What say you, esteemed members of this list? ? ? Play it – unedited, edited, or simply don’t play it at all? ? ? From rac@gabrielmass.com Tue Dec 18 14:25:44 2007 From: rac@gabrielmass.com (Richard Chonak) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:25:44 -0500 Subject: resend - BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? In-Reply-To: <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <47681EB8.7080808@gabrielmass.com> IMHO, it sounds too offensive to air at all here in the States -- a song where one character calls another a 'scumbag' and 'maggot' -- and this is for Christmas? Or are there some station formats in which this would be acceptable? --rc From billohno@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 14:31:07 2007 From: billohno@gmail.com (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:31:07 -0500 Subject: resend - BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? In-Reply-To: <47681EB8.7080808@gabrielmass.com> References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <47681EB8.7080808@gabrielmass.com> Message-ID: <47681FFB.1090805@gmail.com> Richard Chonak wrote: > IMHO, it sounds too offensive to air at all here in the States -- a > song where one character calls another a 'scumbag' and 'maggot' -- and > this is for Christmas? > > Or are there some station formats in which this would be acceptable? > > --rc Or are there any other world-religious holidays with which this would be considered acceptable (not to mention business-friendly?) Bill O'Neill From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Tue Dec 18 14:38:07 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:38:07 -0500 Subject: BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <".132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel"@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <003f01c841ad$8563d880$0201a8c0@Family> Mike attempted to write (and i've attempted to interpret his pesky program with some cleared up typing) > There's an interesting debate going on today at the Beeb > Apparently, BBC's Radio 1 program has cut out the word "faggot" from the > song "Fairytale of New York," by the Irish band The Pogues and singer > Kirsty MacColl. > In the track, released 20 years ago, MacColl sings "You scumbag, you > maggot. You cheap lousy faggot;" as her character in the song argues with > a character counter-sung by Shane MacGowan. > The song is a perennial Christmastime favorite in England; and arguably > even here in the on rock stations. > At least 90% of its listeners are criticizing the BBC for editing the song > (according to its own online data, while one BBC online news editor claims > the figure is "virtually 100%"), saying, "it's PC madness gone wrong." > BBC 1, however, is standing by its decision to edit the song. > What say you, esteemed members of this list? > Play it - unedited, edited, or simply don't play it at all? > > Has it even been a concern here? > Mike, not sure about that particular song here in the states - but on the opinion to air it, edit it, or leave it out: what you don't say, can't hurt you. so on the side of caution, depending upon your station's target, leave it out. i'd opt for the "don't play it" Then again - many songs that were hits came available with "edits" or "remixes." some of the edits changed the offensive word, such as the revised Steve Miller Band "Jet Airliner" which opted in some cases for "...funky KICKS..." instead of "...funky s**t..." Pink Floyd's "Money" implored us to ".....don't give me that good good bull (silence)..." instead of "...bull s**t..." In regards to seasonal songs, some stations have actually, 30 years down the road, been hit with calls and letters of protestation over The Kinks "Father Christmas." some of these stations are rock stations; some are pop stations; some are classic rock/oldies stations. one of them is the one at which i work. our station has opted for omission on the side of caution. the decision is a wise one in this era of new-age sensitivity. the sudden realization or discovery of some potentially offensive nature of the Kinks' song, which i have and will again admit - baffles me. 30 frickin' years that song has been aired - NOW it's a problem? likewise the above-mentioned dilemma faced by the BBC. what about Deck The Halls! OMG! talk about the extreme (revisionist) references in that one. as a proud Irish-American, i should be extremely and profoundly upset over the repeated calls to induce physical harm to any person refered to in the "derogatory" sense of such hertigage or ancestry. "Strike The Harp!" even Johnny Mathis says so. i won't even get into the suggested attire for the entire decorating process - talk about your old-school stereo-types! yikes! just remember: if it's offensive to anyone, just say "... as Don Imus says..." then say it. it's covered and protected as "reporting," or else they wouldn't print it or air it repeatedly in the mainstream media. - -Chuck Igo (knee deep in Christmas music since 12/22/07) From hykker@wildblue.net Tue Dec 18 14:45:35 2007 From: hykker@wildblue.net (Steve Ordinetz) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:45:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: resend - BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? In-Reply-To: <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> References: <699060.68387.qm@web39104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <.132.185.240.124.1198003661.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> <.132.185.240.124.1198004076.squirrel@mail.miscon.net> Message-ID: <42163.63.118.166.2.1198007135.squirrel@webmail.wildblue.net> >> Apparently, BBC’s Radio 1 program has cut > out the word "faggot" from the song "Fairytale of New > York," by the Irish band The Pogues and singer Kirsty MacColl. > > > The song is a perennial Christmastime favorite > in – and arguably even here in the on rock stations. > > Guess my radio was broken that week, I've never heard of it. Isn't "faggot" British slang for cigarette? Maybe the Beeb is anti-smoking? This certainly isn't without precedent. Allan Sherman's "12 Gifts of Christmas" had the word "naked" edited out of the line "statue of a naked lady with a clock where her stomach used to be" on the Rhino greatest hits album. The song was intact on the original 45. I have no idea who considered this to be offensive. From wayne@vacationdreams.org Tue Dec 18 14:57:13 2007 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (wayne@vacationdreams.org) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:57:13 -0500 Subject: BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? Message-ID: <47682619.211.1726.489996382@vacationdreams.org> Interesting argument... interpreting something written 20, 30, or 300 years ago through glasses shaded with the 2007 tint. How foolish this age of hypersensitism is! Schools ban Shakespeare, movies made in the 40's & 50's, radio shows recorded on cylinders, all because our foolishness today wasn't imposed on the art of a past era. I say let 'em play, foibles and all, and at least allow the inherited integrity (or lack thereof) to stand on its own... But of course, I live in Florida now... no snow, no ice, southern politics... :^) and very melba toast radio.... Wayne ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "Chuck Igo" To: , "BRI" Subject: Re: BBC - Christmas song edit - PC madness? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:38:07 -0500 >Mike attempted to write (and i've attempted to interpret >his pesky program with some cleared up typing) > >> There's an interesting debate going on today at the Beeb >> Apparently, BBC's Radio 1 program has cut out the word >> "faggot" from the song "Fairytale of New York," by the >> Irish band The Pogues and singer Kirsty MacColl. >> In the track, released 20 years ago, MacColl sings "You >> scumbag, you maggot. You cheap lousy faggot;" as her >> character in the song argues with a character >> counter-sung by Shane MacGowan. The song is a perennial >> Christmastime favorite in England; and arguably even >> here in the on rock stations. At least 90% of its >> listeners are criticizing the BBC for editing the song >(a