From scott@fybush.com Wed Aug 1 00:46:07 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:46:07 -0400 Subject: Fybush on the radio again - this time ABOUT radio... Message-ID: <46B0100F.6030700@fybush.com> So we officially launch our new HD Radio signals at WXXI later today, and guess who gets to host the special edition of "1370 Connection" to talk about it? Your friendly Rochester radio geek will be live on the air on WXXI 1370, WXXI-FM 91.5-HD2, and streaming at wxxi.org from 12-1 PM EDT (repeated at 9 PM EDT), and you're all welcome to tune in - and to call in, too, at 585-263-9994, if the mood strikes. s From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 14:08:45 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:08:45 -0400 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... Message-ID: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to the new frequency. What do I hear at 2PM? "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" ...all while listening to 1110AM. If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' in the ID at all. Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they want? Jeesh... ;-) From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 1 14:18:14 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:18:14 -0400 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... In-Reply-To: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <018301c7d467$03e0e9a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <46B0CE66.4030303@ttlc.net> Why not? When I worked at another company, the IT department accidentally switched phone hookups between my office and the cube next to me. Their solution? Just relabel the phones! Don A wrote: > I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to > the new frequency. > > What do I hear at 2PM? > > "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" > > ...all while listening to 1110AM. > > If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' > in the ID at all. > > Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they > want? > > Jeesh... > > ;-) > > > > > From haverhill01835@comcast.net Wed Aug 1 14:28:34 2007 From: haverhill01835@comcast.net (haverhill01835@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:28:34 +0000 Subject: WCCM to 1110AM.... Message-ID: <080120071828.19857.46B0D0D20001307D00004D9122068136130C050303@comcast.net> I was listening on the way to work this morning and the ID was proper at 0900hrs (WCCM Salem/Lawrence)...my guess is either it was a live "slip" or an old ID mucking up the automation...however...a clarification from the tech folks in the audience: What is/are the rules when it comes to an id with two cities across state borders (Salem NH/Lawrence MA) AND when there are two cities of the same name within 30 miles of each other (meaning Salem NH and Salem MA)? Marc Lemay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Don A" > I was driving around today and tuned by 1110AM to hear WCCM's move to the > new frequency. > > What do I hear at 2PM? > > "This is 1490 WCCM, Haverhill-Lawrence" > > ...all while listening to 1110AM. > > If this was a mistake...there was no correction..no mention of 'Salem' in > the ID at all. > > Did they think they could move the COL and change it to whatever they want? > > Jeesh... > > ;-) > > From kvahey@gmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:14:26 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:14:26 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list Message-ID: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Donna Does this list look accurate to you. I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I believe they came on the air in November of 1957 http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Wed Aug 1 18:36:43 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:36:43 -0400 Subject: Entercom Suffers Loss Due to... Message-ID: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> R&R today reported that Entercom's net income per share dropped in Q2 to a loss of 32 cents a share because of a $45+ million charge for "impairment of goodwill." Anybody on the list that can explain "impairment of goodwill"? From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Aug 1 18:16:27 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:16:27 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070801221628.C3FB110532@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 04:14 PM 8/1/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >Donna > >Does this list look accurate to you. Actually, I see several things that I question. Let me grab my files and check into it further. From wollman@bimajority.org Wed Aug 1 19:06:12 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:06:12 -0400 Subject: Entercom Suffers Loss Due to... In-Reply-To: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> References: <46B10AFB.8070906@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <18097.4580.313583.656670@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > R&R today reported that Entercom's net income per share dropped in Q2 to > a loss of 32 cents a share because of a $45+ million charge for > "impairment of goodwill." > Anybody on the list that can explain "impairment of goodwill"? IANAA, but sure. When one company purchases another, or buys, sells, or exchanges businesses, there are generally two values involved. The first value is the value of the asset as an operating business, with whatever presence in the marketplace it may have. If the purchaser paid cash for the other business, then this value is equal to the consideration paid. (Things get squidgy when you have exchanges of supposedly-equal-valued assets, but that's what they pay the accounts the big bucks to figure out.) The second value is the value at which the asset is actually being carried on the seller's books, or "book value". This value does not reflect, for example, the value that a station gets from name recognition, hiring good talent, its sales force, and so on, but just the economic cost of acquiring and maintaining the business, both tangible (e.g., real estate, transmitters, studio furniture) and intangible (e.g., licenses). As the foregoing suggests, it is normal for these two values to disagree. In accordance with the principles of accounting, however, no transaction can create or destroy value; all bookkeeping entries must balance out to zero. So if company B purchases business C from company A for $10 million, but the book value C is only $8 million, the other $2 million must somehow be accounted for. The way modern accounting does this is by presuming there is some intangible asset associated with C that made B's presumed-rational executives pay more than book value for it, and that asset is called "goodwill". Under current accounting practice, this goodwill remains on the books of the acquiring company until either the business it is associated with it is sold, or some business event or new understanding of the marketplace requires the company to reduce its estimate of the value of the business. The resulting reduction is called "impairment of goodwill". (There are specific accounting rules about how and when this is supposed to happen. Previously, goodwill was depreciated like other assets, but for various reasons the financial standards people decided that this was not a good idea. Now public companies must "test for impairment" of goodwill in certain circumstances and promptly report material changes to shareholders.) -GAWollman (Proving once again that one can learn a lot by reading the annual reports of companies one invests in.) From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Aug 1 20:32:54 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan.Strassberg) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:32:54 -0400 Subject: WAMG files for augmentation of new night pattern Message-ID: <001801c7d49c$b0101860$5da84c0c@SatU205S5044> As usually happens when AMs install new directional patterns, WAMG has found that its new 6-kW night pattern requires augmentation and has filed to add four rather innocuous-looking augmentations--at 14, 166, 237, and 314.5 degrees, each with a 20-degree span. In particular, the two southerly augmentations (at 166 and 237 degrees) are almost invsible on the polar plot of the pattern. The time that has elapsed since testing began (anyone remember when that was? my guess is around March) does seem a bit long but I'm sure the delay is far from unprecedented. In any event, the FCC filing mentions that an application for license to cover was being filed concurrently, although I did not notice any such application in today's FCC actions. ----- Dan Strassberg (dan.strassberg@att.net) eFax 1-707-215-6367 From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Aug 2 01:02:11 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:02:11 -0500 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> On 1 Aug 2007 at 16:14, Kevin Vahey wrote: > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Aug 2 02:36:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:36:24 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <20070802063625.80CC744C311@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:02 AM 8/2/2007, A. Joseph Ross wrote: >On 1 Aug 2007 at 16:14, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I > > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > >That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. I've got the newspaper article about it, in fact-- but I am heading out of town, so I can't give you an exact date till later tonight. From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 05:32:13 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:32:13 -0400 Subject: Pahigian In-Reply-To: <017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <660301.996.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020232u1be56cd6hb380902be3574a9@mail.gmail.com> The Globe on Thursday writes that Cary Pahigian is Howie's agent. On 7/13/07, Don A wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Smyth" > To: "Don A" ; "BRI" > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: Pahigian > > > > Don A wrote: > >> I was reading the complaint that Howie Carr's lawyers drew up > >> charging WRKO > >> with interfering with his right to make his deal with WTKK. (It was > >> made > >> available on the BostonHerald.com website.) > >> > >> At the bottom of the complaint is a "cc:" to Howie Carr...and Carey > >> Pahigian. > >> > >> Just curious....what does Carey Pahigian have to do with this whole > >> Howie Carr episode? > > > > One of his stations airs Carr's show. > > That's it? > > His show airs on many other stations too....and they weren't cc'd. > > From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 06:46:48 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:46:48 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried "Night Games" only due to the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list Donna Does this list look accurate to you. I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet in 1957 as I believe they came on the air in November of 1957 http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 2 07:59:37 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:59:37 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI Message-ID: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 08:46:31 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games are on WEEI - part of the deal to keep them in the loop. --- Roger Kirk wrote: > Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 08:49:04 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy adult. --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried > "Night Games" only due to > the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to > KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred > prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list > > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:53:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:53:38 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <003001c7d4f2$6e0d0670$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020653l217a4124rb6e9f483741f0b1d@mail.gmail.com> I am certain that WWEL-FM did the games in 1978 and they moved to WPLM-FM the next year setting up the move to make PLM the flagship a couple of years later. If my braincells are intact I believe both WWEL and WTTK flipped the same day (January 1, 1979 ) ( to WXKS and WHUE ) On 8/2/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I > used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the > switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox > and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young > teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy > adult. > From kvahey@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:59:21 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:59:21 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> <46B11F03.32649.39EE04@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708020659i75c7df8dk795616fda51551f8@mail.gmail.com> checking the archives it says WHDH-TV made its debut as an ABC affiliate November 26, 1957, from the new WHDH AM/FM/TV building at 50 Morrissey Boulevard in Dorchester, and transmitter on Chestnut Street http://www.bostonradio.org/stations/1912.html One error in that however. When Channel 5 first went on the air they had their studios in on St James Ave in the Payne Furniture Building. They nove to Dorchester about a year later. On 8/2/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > That's right. They came on a couple of days before Thanksgiving. > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:08:39 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:08:39 -0400 Subject: Pahigian References: <660301.996.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com><017f01c7c581$dea2c210$6801a8c0@DESKTOP2> <4fc429770708020232u1be56cd6hb380902be3574a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <015001c7d517$763cab00$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Don A" Cc: "BRI" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: Re: Pahigian > The Globe on Thursday writes that Cary Pahigian is Howie's agent. Thanks to the Globe, the mystery is solved... I'm surprised no one (I mean no one) knew this..... Isn't he still running the cluster in Portland? From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:10:50 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:10:50 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games > are on WEEI... Well, no...THAT makes sense.... Not to me...but it makes sense. ;-) I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble figuring out which station it's on all the time these days. I guess with cross ownership, it doesn't matter who the arbitron credit goes to? From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 11:18:34 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <605728.72840.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Don A wrote: > > I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble > figuring out which > station it's on all the time these days. > Which is the standing joke on the Big Show. The Sox had to be daft to go along with this, but I guess the check was big enough. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 12:49:04 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kim Khazei returning to WHDH 7 News Message-ID: <128034.40232.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Buried deep in today's Herald (in the business section): http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/media/view.bg?articleid=1014768 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Aug 2 16:13:04 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:13:04 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> Message-ID: <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Entercom wanted to prop up the sagging ratings of WRKO and generate some new cume to The Talk Station. Both WRKO and WEEI are now tied in the ratings 12+, even though WRKO is much lower than WEEI in the 25-54 demos that agencies prefer. WRKO does not want to pre-empt Rush, or they may not be able to contractually, so I can understand the weekday games moving to WEEI. The Wednesday night thing was not well thought out. WEEI is marketing it as "Red Sox Wednesday" complete with interviews with players and management throughout the day (similar to Patriots Monday) followed by the game that night. I suppose it makes sense from a sales standpoint, but it's confusing for the average listener. Of course, if you listen to any of the other WEEI stations, they air all of the games. In Worcester you can get every game on both WVEI (1440) and WCRN (830). Obviously WEEI does not promote the WCRN broadcasts, but it's the superior signal in Worcester county, especially at night. I guess that can be confusing too. WCRN got a small bump up in the Worcester book this spring, largely due to the Sox. Interestingly, if you add up the three WEEI stations ratings in Worcester (they all appear--1440, 850 and 103.7) WEEI would be fourth or fifth overall 12+. If Entercom could figure out a way to get that 830 signal and put WVEI on it, they could be a top three station in Worcester, at least during Red Sox season. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Don A wrote: >> All Wednesday night games and weekday afternoon games >> are on WEEI... > > Well, no...THAT makes sense.... > > Not to me...but it makes sense. ;-) > > I have g\heard from enough people who have trouble figuring out which > station it's on all the time these days. > > I guess with cross ownership, it doesn't matter who the arbitron > credit goes to? > From m_carney@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 16:28:56 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Message-ID: <83598.13278.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- David Tomm wrote: If Entercom could figure out a way to get that 830 signal and put WVEI on it, they could be a top three station in Worcester, at least during Red Sox season. _____ Which begs the question of what will happen to 830 if/when Howie Carr leaves WRKO. Would they want to ditch Peter Blute and put Howie on in the morning (assuming WTKK is open to a syndication deal), or would they try a local show in the afternoon? Under these possible distress circumstances Entercom might be able to pick them up. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 17:07:37 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:07:37 -0400 Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list In-Reply-To: <227240.80612.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c7d549$281c4a20$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Since I HATED Disco back then, I wasn't a "KISS" listener (or a 'BOS listener in '78, though I was at a party in '78 where they were playing disco on WBOS...the only reason I even remembered that 'BOS had disco) Remember the Bumper Stickers (Same colors/format as the legit KISS stickers of 1979) that said "KISS OFF DISCO S**KS" -Paul H (A regular 'COZ listener in that 78-79 time frame) And BTW, I was JUST barely past my teens in 78-79 (20-21 yo) -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Carney Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:49 AM To: Boston Radio Group Subject: RE: att Donna Red Sox announcer list I thought the switch occured in the summer of '79. I used to listen to night games on 107.9 until the switch. One day there was beautiful music and the Sox and the next it was disco. I could be wrong - a young teen doesn't document these things as well as a crazy adult. --- Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > Don't forget that in 1978, WWEL 107.9FM carried > "Night Games" only due to > the 1510 signal issues....(I believe the switch to > KISS (WXKS-FM) occurred > prior to opening day 1979, thus killing the deal)... > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry NH > > -----Original Message----- > From: > boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of > Kevin Vahey > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:14 PM > To: bri@bostonradio.org > Subject: att Donna Red Sox announcer list > > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 16:13:01 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Also, don't forget WHDH-FM 94.5 ("AM85/FM95" on billboards back in the day) from 1948 until around 1971. Many times, it was not a straight simulcast of the games as some Red Sox ads were AM only or FM only. I recalled during the "Impossible Dream" season of 1967, I had a portable GE AM/FM radio and switched back and forth between the AM and FM sides and wondered why the ads were "different". I stayed with the FM side as the games sounded much cleaner, especially when they were home games (during away games, they used 5 kHz telco loops). -Pete --- Kevin Vahey wrote: > Donna > > Does this list look accurate to you. > > I think the only mistake is WHDH-TV being the outlet > in 1957 as I > believe they came on the air in November of 1957 > > http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/broadcasters.html > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From paul@derrynh.net Thu Aug 2 17:01:51 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:01:51 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <46B1C729.6030705@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <004001c7d548$59cb5d50$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> They're on 'EEI every Wednesday this season... -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:00 AM To: bri@bostonradio.org Subject: Red Sox on WEEI Why were the Red Sox on WEEI last night? From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Thu Aug 2 23:54:21 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:54:21 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> WRKO is running a promo questioning: "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Aug 3 01:47:54 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:47:54 -0500 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4fc429770708011314o6500aaf7m6dc65f763d9ecedc@mail.gmail.com>, <673932.96249.qm@web50812.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Aug 2007 at 13:13, Peter Q. George wrote: > Also, don't forget WHDH-FM 94.5 ("AM85/FM95" on billboards back in > the day) from 1948 until around 1971. Many times, it was not a > straight simulcast of the games as some Red Sox ads were AM only or > FM only. I recalled during the "Impossible Dream" season of 1967, I > had a portable GE AM/FM radio and switched back and forth between > the AM and FM sides and wondered why the ads were "different". I > stayed with the FM side as the games sounded much cleaner, > especially when they were home games (during away games, they used > 5 kHz telco loops). Well, by 1967, the FCC was requiring separate programming on AM-FM combos in large markets. So the ability to run separate ads on AM and FM during the games was possible. I doubt that they ran separate ads when they were doing 100% simulcasting. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 06:00:58 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:00:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> That promo has been running for quite a while, actually. What's interesting is how WTKK runs promos saying they are "Boston's only full time talk station" and even "Boston's only talk station". Well, if they're digging at WRKO (for Red Sox pre-emptions) I'll give them that, but WTTT 1150 IS full time talk...Meanwhile, as we know, WRKO's franchise player is dying to bolt to FM. ("Someone" at Entercom just leaked what is supposedly Howie's salary to the Globe...a figure close to the "800 large" his listeners have accused him of getting...trying to knock down Howie for saying he works at slave wages). Let's just say that right now WRKO needs Howie a lot more than Howie needs WRKO. Howie has made references over the air--recently he talked about his Cape Cod affiliate, WXTK-FM 95,1, and he said something like "I like those call letters"... think of the "TK" and "FM" parts... :) On 8/2/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > WRKO is running a promo questioning: > > "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out > of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:22:48 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:22:48 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030422q573fd7a2od74fd3c3c19f12b4@mail.gmail.com> From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 09:31:10 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:31:10 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:01:52 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:01:52 -0400 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030701ic92f4dalee9acab7814944f5@mail.gmail.com> When I went to prep school in Rhode Island I used to be able to hear Bruins games on HDH-FM ( 64-68) as the AM signal didn't exist in Woonsocket at night. They used to bump the Celtics games there a lot when both played the same night. From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 07:25:21 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:25:21 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI On 8/3/07, Bob Nelson wrote: > That promo has been running for quite a while, actually. What's > interesting is how WTKK > runs promos saying they are "Boston's only full time talk station" and > even "Boston's > only talk station". Well, if they're digging at WRKO (for Red Sox > pre-emptions) I'll > give them that, but WTTT 1150 IS full time talk...Meanwhile, as we know, > WRKO's > franchise player is dying to bolt to FM. ("Someone" at Entercom just leaked > what is supposedly Howie's salary to the Globe...a figure close to the > "800 large" > his listeners have accused him of getting...trying to knock down Howie for > saying he works at slave wages). > > Let's just say that right now WRKO needs Howie a lot more than Howie needs > WRKO. > > Howie has made references over the air--recently he talked about his Cape > Cod > affiliate, WXTK-FM 95,1, and he said something like "I like those call > letters"... > think of the "TK" and "FM" parts... :) > > On 8/2/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > > WRKO is running a promo questioning: > > > > "WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking out > > of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." > > > > > > > From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:40:01 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:40:01 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: <4fc429770708030740y67a6c47fv51379072ffed3a5d@mail.gmail.com> WIND at 560 had a signal many 50K's would love. On 8/3/07, Doug Drown wrote: > > --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what > WBZ's DJs used to get. > -Doug > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 09:50:48 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <46B27B3A.5489.5CB14F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Well, by 1967, the FCC was requiring separate > programming on AM-FM > combos in large markets. So the ability to run > separate ads on AM > and FM during the games was possible. I doubt that > they ran separate > ads when they were doing 100% simulcasting. WHDH-FM was a 100% simulcast until 1965 when they moved the transmitter from the Old Hancock Tower to the Channel 5 tower in Newton. At the same time they initiated Stereo operation for the first time. The station aired a background music format with a couple of MOR selections for good measure. In 1967, they experimented with what would be called Progressive Rock (automated of course). I'd never heard anything like it before. Imagine hearing something from Ray Conniff followed by "Incense And Pepermints" from the Strawberry Alarm Clock! But that was being aired on 'HDH-FM until the middle of 1968. Harold J. Clancy, who was oblvious to what aired on the FM finally got wind of it and said "There is NO way THAT kind of music will be aired on WHDH-FM!" And so the 'HDH-FM foray into Progressive Rock ended quietly. But it was no BIG loss as WBCN was already going gangbusters with "The American Revolution" (now 24/7 Progressive Rock). Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Aug 3 11:37:50 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:37:50 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net> <1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> <46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what WBZ's DJs used to get. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kirk" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI > > In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left > to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. > > So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Aug 3 11:46:17 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:46:17 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net><1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com><4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com><46B32E1E.60505@ttlc.net> <02b801c7d5e4$40a196e0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <4fc429770708030740y67a6c47fv51379072ffed3a5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01c7d5e5$72a82e00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Not unique to Chicago! 5-kW WEZE has a signal that 50-kW WWZN would die for and that soon-to-be 50-kW WKOX would also die for. Barring a screwup in the transmitter location or real bad interference at night, a medium-power low-on-the-dial AM usually covers better than a high-on-the-dial 50-kW AM. The one exception that comes to mind (not that there aren't many others) is in Tampa Bay, which has no 50 kW AMs. There, 5-kW 570 (licensed to Pinellas Park, north of Tampa) has such a tight directional pattern (to the south-southwest to protect 580 in Orlando) that the station has no coverage inland. Signal is OK in Tampa, St Pete, and Clearwater, but a lot of the metro population lives east of those places. In fact, the owner of 570 (Salem) also bought 910 in Plant City, about 30 miles east of Tampa, to cover the inland part of the market. Last I knew, 910 was // 570, but that may have changed. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Doug Drown" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > WIND at 560 had a signal many 50K's would love. > > > > On 8/3/07, Doug Drown wrote: > > > > > --- Working for a 5,000-watt radio station, no less. Makes me wonder what > > WBZ's DJs used to get. > > -Doug > > > > From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 12:55:15 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Don A) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:15 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B2A6ED.2020100@ttlc.net><1fbbbced0708030300g6735231lfec70d4151539386@mail.gmail.com> <4fc429770708030425n79d42a06l6b207e416fc27dff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01c7d5ef$59f559a0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> > If Howie is making 790K I shudder to think what Ordway is making at EEI I heard Ordway is at about 400k. From hmadjid@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:17:36 2007 From: hmadjid@gmail.com (Hakim Madjid) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:17:36 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: (Can't figure out who) wrote: >In 1970, legendary KHJ (Boss Angeles) morning man Robert W. Morgan left >to do mornings at WIND (Windy City) The lure? A whopping 80K. >So!?! Has your salary ten-tupled in 37 years? That 1970s $80k, would probably be around $400k to $500k in 2007 dollars. Back in those days, gas was a quater-a-gallon, the median US home price was $23K [it's around $245k today], and the average family car could be bought new for around $4k or so, vs around $25k+ today. In other words, as opposed to today, that early 1970s $80k could buy an upper class lifestyle. -- 73 de Hakim (N1ZFF) From abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu Fri Aug 3 14:43:58 2007 From: abruzzese@biochem.bumc.bu.edu (Tony Abruzzese) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> They -RKO & Entercom- may be attacking Greater Media in stealth mode, as well as more public shots, by advertising on GM's stations. I caught a new Joe Castiglione-voiced spot for "Shaw's - the Official Supermarket of the Red Sox Radio Network" on Loren & Wally this morning. In addition to sale stuff, the spot promoted Shaw's new "kid announcer-in-the-booth" contest that was featured during yesterday's game. Has anyone else heard the new ad on any other stations that are not owned by Entercom? -- Tony Abruzzese BUSM Dept of Biochemistry From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 3 13:32:48 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:32:48 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <20070803173248.1FE9416427D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roger Kirk" >To: bri@bostonradio.org >Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:54:21 -0400 >WRKO is running a promo questioning: >"WHY anyone would want "Talk In Stereo"? Unless they were talking >out of both sides of their mouth. WRKO - Proud to be in Mono..." Recently I heard the most annoying Dana Hersey pronouncement on WRKO: when big stories break, New Englanders know where to turn...WRKO news. Where? On the unemploymont line? (Although several WRKO newsies have landed jobs elsewhere.) -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Fri Aug 3 15:06:42 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:06:42 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> Message-ID: <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> Tony asked: > I caught a new Joe Castiglione-voiced spot for "Shaw's - the Official > Supermarket of the Red Sox Radio Network" on Loren & Wally this morning. > In addition to sale stuff, the spot promoted Shaw's new "kid > announcer-in-the-booth" contest that was featured during yesterday's game. > > Has anyone else heard the new ad on any other stations that are not owned > by Entercom? > it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) - -Chuck Igo From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 15:19:18 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:19:18 -0400 Subject: Don't forget WHDH-FM/94.5 (was Re: att Donna Red Sox announcer list) In-Reply-To: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <378349.90649.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B37FB6.8070309@ttlc.net> >In 1967, they experimented with what would be called Progressive Rock >(automated of course). I'd never heard anything like it before. Imagine >hearing something from Ray Conniff followed by "Incense And Pepermints" >from the Strawberry Alarm Clock! But that was being aired on 'HDH-FM >until the middle of 1968. Harold J. Clancy, who was oblvious to what >aired on the FM finally got wind of it and said "There is NO way THAT >kind of music will be aired on WHDH-FM!" And so the 'HDH-FM foray >into Progressive Rock ended quietly. Which begs the question "How many stories of "Great Radio Stations" from people's childhood/teen years were really the result of somebody pushing the envelope (even inadvertently) without the boss's approval or knowledge? Warning: Nostalgia ahead: ~1965, when I first worked in radio (1Kw Day/250w Night) WKTQ, South Paris ME they had a block from 3:00pm to 5:00pm allegedly devoted to "youth music" a.k.a. Top 40. Unfortunately, they had no real records to play for it, because they received only MOR type singles from the record companies. Needless to say, that block had few listeners. When I first started, as a summer replacement, they put me on the shift that included that block. As a record collector, I had all the Top 40 singles and I played them. For that brief period in time, all the teenagers in Norway & South Paris listened to me, because I was playing the Top Hits. But, come fall, school beckoned me back and it all came to an end. I'm sure, somewhere, there are a half dozen people who remember that "Golden Summer" when their little old local station played the same "good stuff" as the Boston & New York stations that were so hard to pull in at night and non-existent right after school. Ahhh....! Memories! From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Aug 3 15:35:07 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:35:07 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> References: <46B3776E.6030305@biochem.bumc.bu.edu> <000601c7d601$6f6d3d90$0401a8c0@Family> Message-ID: <20070803193510.EB33A44CD0E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Chuck said-- >it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we >are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the >sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the >network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the >Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little >Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my not-so-humble opinion. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Aug 3 15:41:50 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:41:50 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Chuck Igo" , "Tony Abruzzese" , "Boston Radio" >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:35:07 -0400 >yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold >the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there >anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are >being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in >ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on >them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my >not-so-humble opinion. Like Bob Bittner, I'm no sports fan (life is too short to spend three hours watching people you don't know play a game), but I remember when Ted Williams died, just about this time of year, grainy black-and-white films or kinescopes were shown of a skinny kid (no steroids in his day) knocking home runs right over Gem Razor Blade signs as well a few other advertisers. Perhaps the amount of advertising is somewhat less than in those days, but it seems to me that ballpark fences have always been prime territory for such promotions. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 16:49:15 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:49:15 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031349j7020416axe3dc5361cbdab7b8@mail.gmail.com> WEEI just aired Jim Cutler saying "The only home for Red Sox baseball WEEI" From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 17:12:04 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> > > > Like Bob Bittner, I'm no sports fan (life is too short to spend three hours > watching people you don't know play a game), but I remember when Ted Williams > died, just about this time of year, grainy black-and-white films or kinescopes > were shown of a skinny kid (no steroids in his day) knocking home runs right over Gem Razor > Blade signs as well a few other advertisers. Perhaps the amount of advertising > is somewhat less than in those days, but it seems to me that ballpark fences have > always been prime territory for such promotions. > > Works both ways. Remember the Ted's Root Beer signs? From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 17:18:58 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:18:58 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> You not from Maine not root beer Moxie! vile stuff From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 17:28:03 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:28:03 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <46B39A24.1040805@ttlc.net> <4fc429770708031418y14f04767r8c4ae2c119924329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B39DE3.7090104@ttlc.net> Yes, I am from Maine! Mechanic Falls, to be specific. I love the taste of Moxie! As much as being on the radio! Kevin Vahey wrote: > You not from Maine not root beer Moxie! vile stuff > > > > From paul@derrynh.net Fri Aug 3 19:33:17 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:33:17 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803193510.EB33A44CD0E@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <00b301c7d626$ab91aa20$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Well, you COULD pay $500 for Bleacher Seats.... -Paul H -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:35 PM To: Chuck Igo; Tony Abruzzese; Boston Radio Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Chuck said-- >it aired on Big Hits Y100.9 (WYNZ) in Portland this morning - and we >are not a Sox station, nor is our group. i'm laughing at the >sponsorship stuff as it takes them almost as long to give the >network break cue now as it does to air the spots.... On the >Shaw's WEEI Red Sox Radio Network. surely they can add in a little >Shaw's slogan/plug along the way... ;-) yeah, this was an Entercom deal, according to their CEO-- they sold the mention to Shaw's. Just call me old fashioned, but is there anything that ISN'T for sale these days? Some sports reporters are being asked to wear shirts with the Nike logo on them, and in ballparks, it seems every inch of space has advertisements on them... it makes the ballpark seem really cluttered, in my not-so-humble opinion. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 3 22:23:01 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:23:01 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com><015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> Message-ID: <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tomm To: Don A Cc: BRI Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Red Sox on WEEI > Entercom wanted to prop up the sagging ratings of WRKO and generate > some new cume to The Talk Station. Both WRKO and WEEI are now tied in > the ratings 12+, even though WRKO is much lower than WEEI in the 25-54 > demos that agencies prefer. WRKO does not want to pre-empt Rush, or > they may not be able to contractually, so I can understand the weekday > games moving to WEEI. WTIC(AM) doesn't carry weekday afternoon games either -- probably the same we-can't-pre-empt-Rush situation. Used to be no problem for us here south of Hartford; we could just tune to WHYN(AM) Springfield. But the flea-powered FM the Sox are on in the Springfield area now doesn't make the trip down here at all, so it's TV, XM, mlb.com or nothing. Howard From kvahey@gmail.com Fri Aug 3 22:36:25 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:36:25 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> The reason WTIC has had the Sox for 50 years goes back to Tom Yawkey wanting to hear the games in South Carolina. From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Fri Aug 3 23:11:58 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:11:58 -0400 Subject: Red Sox on WEEI In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> References: <614901.2792.qm@web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <015101c7d517$76e016f0$6701a8c0@DESKTOP2> <6462f3dd2e1ad606c19471a1d7247ae7@charter.net> <004701c7d63e$62875060$849a4c0c@oemcomputer> <4fc429770708031936x4638c244n5f5536cecdd7036e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B3EE7E.70800@ttlc.net> Tonight, the Red Sox were on WRKO, but near the end of the pre-game show, they ran a promo on how to enter a Red Sox contest on WEEI. From m_carney@yahoo.com Sat Aug 4 14:28:37 2007 From: m_carney@yahoo.com (Maureen Carney) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV network the camerman was instructed by the director to do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts came up with beer and razors in many markets. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From kvahey@gmail.com Sat Aug 4 14:44:41 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:44:41 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070803194150.F1D5E1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> <285255.81873.qm@web52602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you can see the wall was covered with ads http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > network the camerman was instructed by the director to > do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > came up with beer and razors in many markets. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > From paul@derrynh.net Sat Aug 4 16:48:31 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 16:48:31 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 2:45 PM To: Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you can see the wall was covered with ads http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > network the camerman was instructed by the director to > do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > came up with beer and razors in many markets. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 00:08:37 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:08:37 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Aug 2007 at 16:48, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. > (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) Wow! I never knew it used to be a Gulf sign! > I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? Me too! > (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible > Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) I believe that's correct. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 00:11:25 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:11:25 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <000401c7d6d8$d27918a0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> The Gulf sign is not the Citgo sign. The Gulf sign was on top of what is now Citizens Bank in Kenmore and on other side was a neon sign for White Fuel. Cities Service installed their sign in 1940 and became CITGO in 65 On 8/5/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 4 Aug 2007 at 16:48, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > > > And the "sign" was still there in Kenmore Sq. > > (ALBEIT a "GULF" sign at that time) > > Wow! I never knew it used to be a Gulf sign! > > > I wonder when it switched from GULF to CITIES SERVICES? > > Me too! > > > (AND I do know it was ALREADY CITGO by 1967...thanks to my "Impossible > > Dream 67" DVD......I want to say the change to CITGO was 1965....) > > I believe that's correct. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 02:58:04 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:58:04 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com>, <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 0:11, Kevin Vahey wrote: > The Gulf sign is not the Citgo sign. The Gulf sign was on top of what > is now Citizens Bank in Kenmore and on other side was a neon sign for > White Fuel. Cities Service installed their sign in 1940 and became > CITGO in 65 I remember the White Fuel sign. I think it was there well into the '60s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 06:31:20 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:31:20 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> In fact the Gulf sign would become Calso in the 50's. Calso is known today as Chevron. From chuckigo@maine.rr.com Sun Aug 5 08:44:12 2007 From: chuckigo@maine.rr.com (Chuck Igo) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:44:12 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001701c7d75e$548098c0$0401a8c0@Family> Counselor Ross noted - > I remember the White Fuel sign. I think it was there well into the > '60s. > actually, it was there well into the 70's - maybe 80's. that was atop the Leavitt Hall building. one of my engineer friends (nameless as to not sure of the statute of limitations) took a box of the big bulbs that were stored at the base of the sign. those bulbs have helped to illuminate many an "on air" light at radio stations where the staff was appreciative of the bulbs' significance. he didn't use them in every station - just the ones' where the staff knew of the sign or the building. he was very much a proud Grahm grad. - -Chuck Igo From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Sun Aug 5 11:33:40 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:33:40 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> From August 1st Boston Globe: Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 At 06:31 AM 8/5/2007, Kevin Vahey wrote: >In fact the Gulf sign would become Calso in the 50's. Calso is known >today as Chevron. From kc1ih@mac.com Sun Aug 5 12:50:55 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:50:55 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: At 11:33 AM -0400 8/5/07, Ron Bello wrote: >From August 1st Boston Globe: >Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 And I haven't heard any of them do a radio or TV commercial in years. It seems today the only advertising the oil companies do is sponsorships, they sponsor a golf tournament but no commercials telling you why you should spend your nearly three bucks a gallon at their station and not their competition. It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. -- Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From lglavin@mail.com Sat Aug 4 16:12:40 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:12:40 -0500 Subject: New Toy Courtesy Of FCC.GOV Message-ID: <20070804201240.3A1F916427A@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> There's been a slight change at the FCC's wbsite when you look up technical information about FM stations. Just to the right of the Height Above Average Terrain figure is a click-through called "Calculate HAAT"". This is somewhat confusing verbiage because the average is already there, but when you run this application, it shows the expected HAAT over 360-degrees. So just to check it out, I picked a station atop the Pru, WTKK 96.9. Now if you've been to the observation deck up there, your clearest unobstructed view is easterly, comprising the Harbor Islands, North Shore and South Shore (on a clear day you can see Fore River). Sure enough, WTKK's highest HAAT is 247 meters along lines of azimuth in that direction; to the North, it's close to WTKK's given average HAAT, about 224 - 228 meters (c. 735 feet). In the direction of the Blue Hills it drops to 202 meters, and about the same in the direction of Wellesley Hills. Generally, I suspect there will be only minor variations for most outlets, with the exception of coastal stations not far from mountains (a la Camden, ME). -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From wollman@bimajority.org Sun Aug 5 14:05:18 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that > you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, > a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with > this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to > bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still > seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. Surely everybody knows that only a small fraction of the fuel sold in the U.S. under any brand was actually refined by the company of that name...? The brand of the retailer no connection whatever with the refiner. (In many cases one brand isn't even the same company downstream and upstream.) -GAWollman From kvahey@gmail.com Sun Aug 5 15:20:23 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:20:23 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found the next best thing http://www.microstru.com/7981.html I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 23:27:50 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:27:50 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B64EE6.23115.DC8C73@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron > sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names I remember that change. And I remember when Citgo took over Jenny. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Aug 5 23:27:55 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:27:55 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Sun Aug 5 23:04:11 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:04:11 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B68FAB.8090508@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > the next best thing > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > I can't remember when the Calso sign vanished or if they put a Chevron > sign up back in 1958 when the company changed names Couldn't find a picture of the Calso Sign in Boston, but I did find some rare Calso signage. Those interested scholarly research / viewing, may browse to: www.rogerkirk.com/calso These pix will only be up for a short time. For attribution and context, visit: http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001159-2.html http://www.bentonnews.net/Archive/may/may04.htm From jwcorcoran@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 08:15:17 2007 From: jwcorcoran@earthlink.net (Joe Corcoran) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:15:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK Message-ID: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the war, probably late 40's. Joe Corcoran -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM >To: Maureen Carney >Cc: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as >you can see the wall was covered with ads > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign >> in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers >> played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV >> network the camerman was instructed by the director to >> do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts >> came up with beer and razors in many markets. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play >> Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ >> From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:26:04 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:26:04 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060526n66295f8egbcdecfdc1144734@mail.gmail.com> Funny on how the mind plays tricks as I thought the White Fuel sign was between Beacon and Commonwealth but indeed it sat on the roof of WNAC. The backside was Gulf and then CaLso but I draw a blank on what was there in the 60's. On 8/5/07, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > > the next best thing > > > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but > on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 08:27:32 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:27:32 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The Buckminster Hotel squares with my recollection as well. However, was that hotel even still really a hotel by the mid-1950s? I arrived in Boston in early June 1956 and I recall the building--still labeled by large signs as a hotel--as possibly being used for other purposes. Maybe part of it was indeed some sort of residential hotel. But wasn't a lot of it occupied by the studios/offices of WNAC radio (680) and WNAC-TV (Channel 7)? And while we're on those stations, I think 98.5 was still WNAC-FM and I think it later became WRKO (FM) and then still later became WRKO-FM when the AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix 98.5? And what, if anything, did the letters WROR stand for? Surely not Rock ON Roll or Rock OR Roll! -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Kevin Vahey" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > On 5 Aug 2007 at 15:20, Kevin Vahey wrote: > > > While i couldn't find a nightime shot of the White Fuel sign, I found > > the next best thing > > > > http://www.microstru.com/7981.html > > According to that, the sign wasn't on the Citizens Bank building, but > on the Buckminster Hotel. And it lasted until the early 1970s. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 92 State Street Fax 617.507.7856 > Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:48:38 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:48:38 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 08:51:52 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:51:52 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060551u425f1515ubf2b1873bdd6cade@mail.gmail.com> Fenway added lights in 1947 to compete with the Braves who did so in 46. On 8/6/07, Joe Corcoran wrote: > Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone > know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the > war, probably late 40's. > > Joe Corcoran > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kevin Vahey > >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM > >To: Maureen Carney > >Cc: Boston Radio Group > >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > > > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as > >you can see the wall was covered with ads > > > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > > > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: > >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. > >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign > >> in the Polo Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers > >> played the Giants and the game was on the Dodgers TV > >> network the camerman was instructed by the director to > >> do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV > >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts > >> came up with beer and razors in many markets. > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play > >> Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ > >> > > From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Aug 6 09:03:00 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:03:00 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 09:22:28 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:22:28 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <4fc429770708060622h3e323e40p78cf3b2113754db1@mail.gmail.com> I found the CaLso sign http://spln.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p617902dt.jpg This would be 1951 http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st11439.jpg http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st11273.jpg and it DID become a Chevron sign from 1967 http://savefenwaypark.com/gallery/pic2a.jpg In 1939 the Cities Service sign appears to be Mobil (Socony) http://sportstemples.bpl.org/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10216.jpg On 8/6/07, Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Kevin Vahey wrote: > > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > > > > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" > > > > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Aug 6 09:35:12 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:35:12 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com><18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu><4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com><46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com><002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c7d82e$a1669ba0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Then I guess we should assume that RKO-General was warehousing the WROR calls in Boston with the intent of moving them to New York at some unspecified future time. Then, of course RKO-General had to divest its stations and may no longer have owned WOR/WOR-FM when the WOR-FM calls were changed. I don't recall whether Buckley bought both the AM and FM or only the AM from RKO-General, but if Buckley ever owned the former WOR-FM, I don't think it still does. IIRC, WOR-FM first became WXLO and then WXRK. (Or was 92.3 WXRK?) I'm not sure of the current calls of the former WOR-FM. If it ever was WXRK, it might still have those calls. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Vahey" To: "Dan Strassberg" Cc: "Boston Radio Group" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR From RBello@BelloAssoc.com Mon Aug 6 10:24:10 2007 From: RBello@BelloAssoc.com (Ron Bello) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <46B506F5.17587.7B435B@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708042111h146be1b9ka02cc012e2842bfd@mail.gmail.com> <46B52EAC.10979.116676C@joe.attorneyross.com> <4fc429770708050331m229f1115o23338c4dde43ed0d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070805112336.0274fd18@BelloAssoc.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070806101343.027050d0@BelloAssoc.com> At 12:50 PM 8/5/2007, Larry Weil wrote: >At 11:33 AM -0400 8/5/07, Ron Bello wrote: > > From August 1st Boston Globe: >>Chevron Corp. took over the original Gulf Oil in 1984 > >And I haven't heard any of them do a radio or TV commercial in >years. It seems today the only advertising the oil companies do is >sponsorships, they sponsor a golf tournament but no commercials >telling you why you should spend your nearly three bucks a gallon at >their station and not their competition. > >It's also interesting that for a number of years any Exxon gas that >you've bought in New England has actually been from the new Gulf, >a.k.a. Cumberland Farms. I don't know how they could get away with >this, apparently they have an agreement to use the Exxon name and to >bill thru the Exxon/Mobil credit cards and Speedpass, but it still >seems from the consumer's point of view to be false advertising. > >-- >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH No deception, your government at work. When Exxon and Mobil merged the government forced the sale of many of their retail locations to preserve competition. The Exxon stations in New England and NY were sold then and have been resold several times since. Part of the deal was rights for 10-years to use the Exxon name, marketing, charge cards and SpeedPass. From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 6 11:46:11 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:46:11 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com> <18102.4446.315218.328614@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4fc429770708051220q585e6f58rfd7b2aed52aa9305@mail.gmail.com> <46B64EEB.28156.DCA058@joe.attorneyross.com> <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <18103.16963.378894.397385@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And > was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix > 98.5? It was owned by Steve Dodge's Atlantic Ventures, the company which had bought it from RKO General, when the change was made. (This happened some time before I moved to Boston in early '94.) Atlantic Ventures became American Radio Systems which then merged with CBS Corp. (formerly Westinghouse). -GAWollman From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 6 14:29:01 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <46B7221D.16367.1B1A6A@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Aug 2007 Dan Strassberg wrote: > And while we're on those stations, I think 98.5 was still WNAC-FM and > I think it later became WRKO (FM) and then still later became WRKO-FM > when the AM adopted the WRKO calls. No one seems to be able to verify it, but I remember distinctly that, the day I got my first FM radio, 5 December 1958, one of the first stations I listened to was "WNAC-FM," and sometime on the hour, I heard a recorded voice interrupt with "This is WRKO-FM in Boston." The WRKO calls were on FM at least that early, though AM listeners were unaware of it. A year or two later, when WNAC changed its music format, they began ID-ing as "WNAC AM, WRKO FM." And White's Radio Log listed the call as "WRKO-FM" as far back as I can remember. I don't remember when I first saw White's, but it was long before the change to WRKO on the AM side. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Aug 6 14:29:01 2007 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Aug 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR This doesn't sound right. I distinctly remember the jingle "Hit Parade Sixty-Eight" on WROR, which became Hit Parade Sixty-Nine" on News Years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Aug 6 13:47:01 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:47:01 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4fc429770708041144o27553792h617ad42657ac1a57@mail.gmail.com>, <002401c7d825$31a78440$19eefea9@dstrassberg>, <4fc429770708060548j2bdcbc0ewa402b199197b4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <46B7221D.4340.1B1AB8@Joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <005701c7d851$cb8af2a0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I remember that too. It was Bill Drake who voiced the station ID on that jingle. "Stereooo...98 point 5. Doubleyoo Rrrrr OH Rrrr....Boston. The wrko.org tribute site says the change was in October 1968. They used to have the stereo "hit parade" WROR jingle on there but it seems to be gone now. I used to listen to WRKO-FM at the time (I was in college), and suddenly they started to go off the air at midnight. I wrote the GM and said how much I missed listening at night, and he told me it was so that they could install stereo equipment and that they would be back soon with new call letters but the same music only in stereo. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of A. Joseph Ross Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:29 PM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK On 6 Aug 2007 Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR This doesn't sound right. I distinctly remember the jingle "Hit Parade Sixty-Eight" on WROR, which became Hit Parade Sixty-Nine" on News Years. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 92 State Street Fax: 617.507.7856 Boston, MA 02109 http://www.attorneyross.com From john@minutemancomm.com Mon Aug 6 14:26:45 2007 From: john@minutemancomm.com (John Mullaney) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:26:45 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Those poles could be some kind of lights? Remember The day-light type lights that where all used to today where more a need for Television. So I wouldn't be surprised if there where less powerful types before TV. That is defiantly the case in the Garden which was obviously lighted way before TV but nothing like it was lighted later. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Joe Corcoran Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:15 AM To: Kevin Vahey; Maureen Carney Cc: Boston Radio Group Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Notice anything else about that photo?...there are no light towers. Anyone know when Fenway added lights for night games. I assume it was after the war, probably late 40's. Joe Corcoran -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Vahey >Sent: Aug 4, 2007 2:44 PM >To: Maureen Carney >Cc: Boston Radio Group >Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK > >This is the oldest known color photo of Fenway taken in 1941 and as you >can see the wall was covered with ads > >http://bpl.org/development/fenwayexhibit/fenway14.htm > > > >On 8/4/07, Maureen Carney wrote: >> Donna is correct. And it had an impact on early TV. >> For example, Chesterfield cigarettes had a huge sign in the Polo >> Grounds. Whenever the Brooklyn Dodgers played the Giants and the game >> was on the Dodgers TV network the camerman was instructed by the >> director to do anything to avoid the sign because the Dodgers TV >> network was sponsored by Lucky Strike. Same conflicts came up with >> beer and razors in many markets. >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their >> life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >> http://sims.yahoo.com/ >> From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 14:35:44 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:35:44 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> References: <14148334.1186402517355.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00a801c7d857$583f5b50$6a00a8c0@johnster1> Message-ID: <4fc429770708061135k367f47d9g4db6a286af7f1e49@mail.gmail.com> For years there was a small FM stick on the roof of 21 Brookline Ave. Anybody know how long that was used as the transmitter for 98.5? From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 15:36:11 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> The call letter changed happened in February, 1991. I was a part-time announcer there at the time. The original intent of the new station was to "Mix" in a lot of Motown/R&B hits with Adult Contemporary music to take some of the older listeners listeners from Kiss-108. It also marked a chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer described a familiar "product" to the listener. Paul Connors > [Original Message] > From: Garrett Wollman > To: Dan Strassberg > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 11:47:13 AM > Subject: WROR/WBMX > > < said: > > > AM adopted the WRKO calls. But when did the 98.5 calls change to WROR? And > > was it already owned by CBS or one of its predecessors when it became Mix > > 98.5? > > It was owned by Steve Dodge's Atlantic Ventures, the company which had > bought it from RKO General, when the change was made. (This happened > some time before I moved to Boston in early '94.) Atlantic Ventures > became American Radio Systems which then merged with CBS > Corp. (formerly Westinghouse). > > -GAWollman From me@billoneill.us Mon Aug 6 16:54:31 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:54:31 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> References: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> Paul Connors wrote: > It also marked a > chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand > name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer > described a familiar "product" to the listener. > And let me guess, they delivered this message to the staff with a straight face? WROR calls kicked butt all over town. The _only_ people who knew of any "format" changes to WROR over the years were the dweebs who were tweaking the format clock and recurrent (etc.) rack. Yes, indeed, there are programmers who add or delete a couple of toe-tappers to the "B" rotation, drive home all giddy and agog, and then stay up all night under the covers with a flashlight, pillow speaker, Marvel Comic book while wearing Superman pajamas. And that's how call letters get changed. And come on, folks, am I the only dweeb, er, guy who immediately though of a kid's bike the first time the 'BMX calls hit the air? We're talking banana seat, sissy bar, playing cards in the spokes and that is supposed to skew older? (cough) I feel better now. Bill O'Neill From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 17:11:46 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:11:46 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> References: <380-22007816193611377@earthlink.net> <46B78A87.3000707@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <4fc429770708061411t6a5acd5fl609932e364c4f071@mail.gmail.com> BMX Black Music Exchange From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 6 17:26:39 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:26:39 -0400 Subject: RKO's Digs At TKK In-Reply-To: <46B71C04.5000201@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <007b01c7d870$7aba3970$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> The golden great 98 -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Roger Kirk Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:03 AM To: Kevin Vahey Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: RKO's Digs At TKK Kevin Vahey wrote: > WROR was born on 1/1/1969 when they went to a semi oldies format. The > calls were proably picked because of sister station WOR > They were initially pronounced "w r [pause] [emphasis] O r" From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 17:29:02 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:29:02 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > [Original Message] > From: Bill O'Neill > To: > Cc: Garrett Wollman ; Dan Strassberg ; Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 4:54:58 PM > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > Paul Connors wrote: > > It also marked a > > chance for a fresh start for a station where the call letters (the "brand > > name") had been used for multiple formats over the years and no longer > > described a familiar "product" to the listener. > > > > And let me guess, they delivered this message to the staff with a > straight face? WROR calls kicked butt all over town. The _only_ people > who knew of any "format" changes to WROR over the years were the dweebs > who were tweaking the format clock and recurrent (etc.) rack. Yes, > indeed, there are programmers who add or delete a couple of toe-tappers > to the "B" rotation, drive home all giddy and agog, and then stay up all > night under the covers with a flashlight, pillow speaker, Marvel Comic > book while wearing Superman pajamas. And that's how call letters get > changed. And come on, folks, am I the only dweeb, er, guy who > immediately though of a kid's bike the first time the 'BMX calls hit the > air? We're talking banana seat, sissy bar, playing cards in the spokes > and that is supposed to skew older? (cough) I feel better now. > > Bill O'Neill From paul@derrynh.net Mon Aug 6 17:41:01 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:41:01 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708061411t6a5acd5fl609932e364c4f071@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007c01c7d872$7cca1bc0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> I thought it was (B)oston (M)i(X) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Vahey Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 5:12 PM To: Bill O'Neill Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX BMX Black Music Exchange From kvahey@gmail.com Mon Aug 6 15:02:51 2007 From: kvahey@gmail.com (Kevin Vahey) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:02:51 -0400 Subject: The mighty 560 WNEU Message-ID: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago there was a website devoted to the old closed carrier station at Northeastern WNEU-560 but it seems to have vanished. A lot of good radio people paseed through WNEU Waxy, Ron Brindle, Donna...... just to name 3 and of course the infamous tape deck "Moose" http://chowdanet.com/markc/WEB2005A/wneu-560_chart_1969-05-04.pdf From wollman@bimajority.org Mon Aug 6 17:46:17 2007 From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:46:17 -0400 Subject: The mighty 560 WNEU In-Reply-To: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4fc429770708061202o5361344fp65365eef12bb93cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18103.38569.170607.269426@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > A few years ago there was a website devoted to the old closed carrier > station at Northeastern WNEU-560 but it seems to have vanished. The modern equivalent at many campus stations (not sure about Northeastern), these days, seems to be the audio feed for the college cable system's barker channels. There are a few stations locally that still require new station members to "do time" on the closed-circuit station before they are allowed to do a shift on the broadcast station. -GAWollman From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Mon Aug 6 18:26:24 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:26:24 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B7A010.6090606@ttlc.net> Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > Can you give us some years during which they executed these formats? IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 thru Jan 1973 and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) plus oldies. From paulconnors@earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 18:44:30 2007 From: paulconnors@earthlink.net (Paul Connors) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:44:30 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <380-22007816224430344@earthlink.net> As far as I recall... Some time after Hit Parade, in the mid 70's, "The Golden Great 98" was automated Oldies with a few current songs tossed in. After going live some time in the late 70's the format transitioned to Adult Contemporary. In 1983-84 when HitradioWHTT was on top, WROR went straight-ahead Top 40 to compete against them and the other CHR's at the time, including Kiss-108 and WCOZ. WROR was an also-ran during this period. Then, from the mid-80's onward it was back to AC. > [Original Message] > From: Roger Kirk > To: > Cc: Boston Radio Group > Date: 8/6/2007 6:29:21 PM > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > Paul Connors wrote: > > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > > > Can you give us some years during which they executed these formats? > > IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 thru Jan 1973 > and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) plus oldies. > > From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 20:00:09 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) In-Reply-To: <380-22007816224430344@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 98.5 in Boston has had it's share of call-letters and formats over the years. WNAC-FM signed-on the air in 1948 as a full-time repeater of WNAC/1260 as well as WNAC/680 (after the AM's frequency change). The WRKO-FM call-letters were installed in 1958 by RKO General basically as a placeholder (for obvious reasons). The station stayed a 100% simulcast until 1963 when the FM added several hours of MOR (middle-of-the-road) music a day in preparation for the eventual 1966 FCC ruling which mandated that no more than 50% simulcasting (AM/FM) will be allowed in the 20 largest markets in America. Eventually, later on, this rule was to be extended to include all cities with more than 100,000 persons. This was to give FM a chance to grow and prosper. And boy did it ever! Quick timeline for 98.5. 10/12/1966- At midnight, WRKO-FM debuts "ARK-O-matic" (in mono). It was an automated Top 40/oldies hybrid, hosted by "ARKO, the shy but friendly robot". Very popular with the college crowd and yours' truly! 10/1/1968- WROR call-letters are assigned, but the station was playing continuous music and only identifying as WROR at the top of the hour. Stereo pilot is on, but audio is mono. 11/1968- WROR debuts "Hit Parade '68", Bill Drake's contemporary no-clutter format in Stereo. 11/1/1970- WROR tweaks the format to Bill Drake's "Solid Gold Rock and Roll" (a 50/50 blend of Top 40/oldies and recurrents). 5/1973- WROR breaks with Drake and changes the format to all-oldies as "Nostalgia 98.5". This was only meant to be a stop gap measure as the station was to be sold to Summit Broadcasting (Cecil Heftel, et.al.) who wanted to go with beautiful music. With RKO/General's license problems looming, the deal was scrapped in late October, 1973. 12/1973- John Long (ace program director, nice guy too) took the job with RKO/General and transformed 98.5 to the new "Golden Great 98!" and added in Wolfman Jack and lots of other special features. It became a fan favorite, especially with "American Graffiti" igniting the 50's craze all around the country in 1973. 1/1979- WROR dumped the oldies (with significant protest from listeners) with a Top 40/AC format that went nowhere. "98 and half FM, WROR, Where the music went!". Most listeners "went" AWAY! 11/1979- WROR retooled the format to an oldies/Top 40/AC hybrid. This was the famous "I'd Rather Be In Boston" format with some great jingles, live jocks and "Saturday Night At The Oldies" with Joe Martelle. It was a very popular format that was pleasing to many different age groups. It all lasted in some way or another until February, 1991. Of course, Roy Orbison's "It's Over" was the last song on WROR/98.5 on Friday afternoon February 9, 1991 at 1:00 PM. In came Mix/98.5. The WBMX call-letters were delayed a couple of weeks due to FCC paperwork. So, there you go. The Reader's Digest version of Boston's 98.5. What a long strange trip it's been......... -Pete --- Paul Connors wrote: > As far as I recall... > > Some time after Hit Parade, in the mid 70's, "The > Golden Great 98" was > automated Oldies with a few current songs tossed in. > After going live some > time in the late 70's the format transitioned to > Adult Contemporary. In > 1983-84 when HitradioWHTT was on top, WROR went > straight-ahead Top 40 to > compete against them and the other CHR's at the > time, including Kiss-108 > and WCOZ. WROR was an also-ran during this period. > Then, from the > mid-80's onward it was back to AC. > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Roger Kirk > > To: > > Cc: Boston Radio Group > > > Date: 8/6/2007 6:29:21 PM > > Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX > > > > Paul Connors wrote: > > > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult > Contemporary. I'd call > > > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > > > > > > Can you give us some years during which they > executed these formats? > > > > IIRC, They were pretty much HitParade YY from 1969 > thru Jan 1973 > > and that was Top 40 (varied from A/C to Soft Rock) > plus oldies. > > > > > > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From me@billoneill.us Tue Aug 7 08:42:20 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:42:20 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From paul@derrynh.net Tue Aug 7 08:48:05 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:48:05 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <000101c7d8f1$336f5240$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> And half of them will say they get their rock on COZ! -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From hmglaz@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 7 11:45:59 2007 From: hmglaz@worldnet.att.net (Howard Glazer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:45:59 -0400 Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) References: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Q. George To: ; Roger Kirk Cc: Boston Radio Group Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) > > 10/12/1966- At midnight, WRKO-FM debuts "ARK-O-matic" > (in mono). It was an automated Top 40/oldies hybrid, > hosted by "ARKO, the shy but friendly robot". Very > popular with the college crowd and yours' truly! > I was only 11 when Arko debuted, but I still remember just about everything about the format. The No.1 and No. 2 songs on the week's survey were played at the tops of alternating hours. There was a one-minute countdown of the "FM Top 10" every hour, as well as an introduction to the new songs on the playlist: "Here's the music that's happening this week on WRKO-FM!" Arko's voice would drone "Nummmberrr Onnnnnnne" for the top hit; every time the other songs in the Top 10 were played, the PAMS singers would trill "FM Top Tennnn!" Oldies (all from the pre-British Invasion years) were "FM Flashbacks," and every so often a recurrent -- a song that had dropped off the survey within that past couple of months -- would surface as an "Arko-Matic!" Other Arko memories: The birthday cake all listeners were invited to share when Arko turned 1 in October 1967 ... songs like "Ha Ha Said the Clown" and "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I haven't heard since ... calling the radio station to complain that "No Good to Cry" was aborting after a few notes of the intro every time it aired and was being replaced by another song; someone actually fixed the problem! No, it wasn't great radio -- in fact, XM often sounds a lot like it on weekends and overnights, when pennies are pinched by putting the '60s channel on jockless autopilot -- but it was an FM pioneer, and a great memory that's managed to stay with me for four decades. Howard From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 7 14:43:45 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:43:45 -0400 Subject: Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX) In-Reply-To: <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> References: <137765.56072.qm@web50801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002401c7d90a$0df04920$4b904c0c@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <46B8BD61.1050505@ttlc.net> Howard Glazer wrote: > Other Arko memories: ... songs like "Ha Ha Said the Clown" and > "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I haven't heard since ... > > All these songs were played on WLOB, Portland. There was a "clean" version of "Bend It" issued. From radiojunkie3@yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 15:28:30 2007 From: radiojunkie3@yahoo.com (Peter Q. George) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: More ARKO memories (was Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX)) In-Reply-To: <46B8BD61.1050505@ttlc.net> Message-ID: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ah, yes...... "Bend It" by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich. I've have recently heard the not-so-clean album version of it. Today, it would be considered tame. But in 1966, you definitely would NOT hear it on WRKO-FM. They played the clean version. ARKO also played "Run Baby Run" by the Newbeats, a lot. Admittedly, ARKO had very few commercials, especially when they started the 6P-6A non-simulcast period after WRKO-AM went Top 40. I remember a lot of PSA's and an ad for "Dial-A-Dietician". The robotic "ARKO-matic" liners faded by the fall of 1967. Dale Tucker was the voice of WRKO-FM until he left in July of 1968. Today he writes for Radio World magazine. I would love to hear some original ARKO sound bytes (if anyone has some, please drop me a line). I was a big fan of WRKO-FM from the day they went rock on 10/12/1966 (and I was only 7 at the time). It was a unique time for FM radio. I'm glad I witnessed the growing up phase for FM. What a time! "WRKO-FM, ALL MUSIC!!!!" -Pete --- Roger Kirk wrote: > > > Howard Glazer wrote: > > Other Arko memories: ... songs like "Ha Ha > Said the Clown" and > > "All's Quiet on West 23rd" and "Bend It," which I > haven't heard since ... > > > > > All these songs were played on WLOB, Portland. > > There was a "clean" version of "Bend It" issued. > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts "Scanning the bands since 1967" radiojunkie1@yahoo.com radiojunkie3@yahoo.com *********************************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From rogerkirk@ttlc.net Tue Aug 7 15:44:35 2007 From: rogerkirk@ttlc.net (Roger Kirk) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:44:35 -0400 Subject: More ARKO memories (was Boston's 98.5 FM (was Re: WROR/WBMX)) In-Reply-To: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <109499.63516.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B8CBA3.2060301@ttlc.net> Peter Q. George wrote: > Ah, yes...... "Bend It" by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, > Mick & Tich. I've have recently heard the > not-so-clean album version of it. Today, it would be > considered tame. But in 1966, you definitely would > NOT hear it on WRKO-FM. They played the clean > version. ARKO also played "Run Baby Run" by the > Newbeats, a lot. > Interesting, because WLOB played the not-so-clean version. They also played the n-s-c version of Lou Christie's "Rhapsody In The Rain" as well as Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed Girl". Daring for a 5KW in an almost major market. From lspin@comcast.net Tue Aug 7 19:52:42 2007 From: lspin@comcast.net (Lou) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> References: <380-2200781621292474@earthlink.net> <46B868AC.9010908@billoneill.us> Message-ID: <002101c7d94e$0c0fff80$6701a8c0@DAS8200> I had always felt that through all of its format tweaks and major changes, WROR never really realized the success that I imagined it could. They were a major FM station in Boston, playing decent music IN STEREO. They were mostly a disappointment to this geekier-than-average listener (automation - repetition- boredom). And when the call letters were retired (enter Mix-98.5), I felt that somebody was going to try to do something good with it. Although I never liked the programming, they gave us something live and consistent. I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. I was probably hoping they would have picked up WMEX, or something crazy like that. Anyway, I will applaud 105.7 for finally bringing success and stability to those call letters. I don't particularly like everything about their programming, but they have certainly been consistent, far more than any other incarnation of WROR. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From paul@derrynh.net Wed Aug 8 06:30:00 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:30:00 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <002101c7d94e$0c0fff80$6701a8c0@DAS8200> Message-ID: <005a01c7d9a7$184995f0$b722434b@YOURF7ED5FB036> If 105.7 went Spanish, do you think they'd still keep Lorne and Wally (en la manana)? -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:53 PM To: 'Bill O'Neill' Cc: 'Boston Radio Group' Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX I had always felt that through all of its format tweaks and major changes, WROR never really realized the success that I imagined it could. They were a major FM station in Boston, playing decent music IN STEREO. They were mostly a disappointment to this geekier-than-average listener (automation - repetition- boredom). And when the call letters were retired (enter Mix-98.5), I felt that somebody was going to try to do something good with it. Although I never liked the programming, they gave us something live and consistent. I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. I was probably hoping they would have picked up WMEX, or something crazy like that. Anyway, I will applaud 105.7 for finally bringing success and stability to those call letters. I don't particularly like everything about their programming, but they have certainly been consistent, far more than any other incarnation of WROR. -Lou -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bill O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: paulconnors@earthlink.net Cc: Boston Radio Group; Dan Strassberg Subject: Re: WROR/WBMX Paul Connors wrote: > The formats ranged from Oldies to CHR to Adult Contemporary. I'd call > those changes a bit more than "clock tweaking". > > Poll the average Boston radio listener. From elipolo@earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:27:22 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:27:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: WROR/WBMX Message-ID: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Lou" > CC: 'Boston Radio Group' > > To: "'Bill O'Neill'" > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 > Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the > WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it > was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. > I was probably hoping they would have picked up > WMEX, or something crazy like that. I can think of a few good reasons why Greater Media would not have wanted to christen 105.7 as WMEX. #1): They tried it ten years before on 1150 AM, and though it was fun to listen to, it wasn't ultimately successful. Granted it was a fairly weak AM signal which couldn't survive once WODS came on the air, but that brings me to the next reason. #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, an FM revived as WROR seemed more "authentic" than reviving an AM-only call on an FM station. #3): People who remember listening to the original WROR may remember doing so from the late '60s right through the '70's and into part of the '80s. That's a somewhat younger demographic than listeners who would remember the original WMEX which was all done as a Top 40 and music station by the mid '70s. At this point I don't think the call letters matter a heck of a lot. Any nostalgia for "heritage" calls wears off quickly, then the station must stand on the quality of the programming that it is offering currently. That's what gives it ratings in the long run, not nostalgia for old call letters. EP From lglavin@mail.com Wed Aug 8 13:06:32 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: "Broadcasting & Cable" Restructures; Robbins Out Message-ID: <20070808170632.E62381F50B2@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> According to the DC Ratio and TV blog available at fybush.com, the entity that owns "Broadcasting and Cable" Magazine has restructured and thereby ousted J. Max Robbins from the editorial board. I'm kind of saddened by that; on the basis of his weekly appearances on Howie Carr's show, he seems like a genuinely nice guy (Max, not Howie). I guess that until he lands a new gig, some of the goodies Howie bestows will be more than just lagniappe...the ice cream coupons will be really valuable for a guy with a number of kids to support. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com ! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From revdoug1@verizon.net Wed Aug 8 16:43:47 2007 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:43:47 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> <> I was surprised when Entercom's "resurrection" of WKBW turned out not to be successful. I listened fairly often at night and thought it was quite well done. I didn't hear many commercials, though --- was the company unable to attract advertisers? I've never been clear on what did it in. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > > From: "Lou" > > CC: 'Boston Radio Group' > > > > To: "'Bill O'Neill'" > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:52:42 -0400 > > Subject: RE: WROR/WBMX > > > > I was really surprised when 105.7 picked up the > > WROR call letters, telling its listeners that it > > was resurrecting a piece of Boston Radio History. > > I was probably hoping they would have picked up > > WMEX, or something crazy like that. > > I can think of a few good reasons why Greater Media > would not have wanted to christen 105.7 as WMEX. > > #1): They tried it ten years before on 1150 AM, and > though it was fun to listen to, it wasn't ultimately > successful. Granted it was a fairly weak AM signal > which couldn't survive once WODS came on the air, > but that brings me to the next reason. > > #2): The original WMEX was always an AM station, > WROR was FM. For those who remember Boston radio, > an FM revived as WROR seemed more "authentic" than > reviving an AM-only call on an FM station. > > #3): People who remember listening to the original > WROR may remember doing so from the late '60s right > through the '70's and into part of the '80s. That's > a somewhat younger demographic than listeners who > would remember the original WMEX which was all done > as a Top 40 and music station by the mid '70s. > > At this point I don't think the call letters matter > a heck of a lot. Any nostalgia for "heritage" calls > wears off quickly, then the station must stand on > the quality of the programming that it is offering > currently. That's what gives it ratings in the long > run, not nostalgia for old call letters. > > EP > > > From nostaticatall@charter.net Wed Aug 8 17:42:17 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:42:17 -0400 Subject: WROR/WBMX In-Reply-To: <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <003501c7d9fc$d23d30c0$6501a8c0@pastor2> Message-ID: The same reasons that "real oldies" didn't take off in Chicago, Cincinnati and other markets. The format attracted a 55+ audience that agencies didn't want to cater to. The few advertisers who do target older demos want to reach them during the day 6a-7p. 1520AM has a spotty day signal in parts of the Buffalo market. The station's strength is it's huge regional night signal, and realistically most people who like the format would probably not be tuned in during those hours. And that's not even getting into the whole "music on AM" thing. Plus, their potentially huge regional night audience does not get ratings books for the Buffalo market. While the execution wasn't bad, the format had too much going against it to work. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Doug Drown wrote: > I was surprised when Entercom's "resurrection" of WKBW turned out not > to be > successful. I listened fairly often at night and thought it was quite > well > done. I didn't hear many commercials, though --- was the company > unable to > attract advertisers? I've never been clear on what did it in. > From wayne@vacationdreams.org Wed Aug 8 18:59:45 2007 From: wayne@vacationdreams.org (Wayne Carter) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:59:45 -0400 Subject: Looking for a friend.... In-Reply-To: References: <27047308.1186594042579.JavaMail.root@elwam