From raccoonradio@mail.com Sun Apr 1 02:29:07 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:29:07 -0500 Subject: WTNN Bristol VT Message-ID: <20070401062907.42EE883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>If they want to be a player in the B/P market, they will have their hands full chasing Hall's deeply rooted WOKO (98.9 Burlington). And also WUSX 93.7 from Addison, though WUSX is all syndie, right? ("Real country"). I have read elsewhere that they will have local DJs including Jennifer Fox. I'd think the signal might reach Burlington and Middlebury equally well. Supposedly the antenna is in St. George, which is that small town I've driven through (on Rt 2-A) between Williston and Hinesburg, on hilly terrain. From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 10:32:15 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: As far as I've heard, Tufts radio under the WTUR call letters was always a closed-circuit or carrier current operation on AM, save for the infamous railroad tracks incident which happened perhaps a year or two before the station made it onto the public airwaves as WMFO 91.5 FM. I believe that any accounts claiming that WTUR was on the public airwaves on AM (with 20 watts?) either legally or illegally are incorrect, and may be confused with WMFO's original power on FM of 18 watts ERP (10 watts w/antenna height gain) as of it's official sign-on in 1970 until about 1982 when they got the present 125 watt directional signal on the air. WTUR may have also had a "leaky cable" or other very low power transmitter operating on FM prior to their legitimate Class D signal signing on as WMFO but I don't know of that. Their station website claims the first song broadcast on WMFO in January 1970 was The Beatles "Here Comes The Sun", but the first thing I remember hearing on the station at around that time was testing/stunting with a repeating loop of "Rubber Ducky" by "Ernie" from Sesame Street. EP > > From: Donna Halper > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:25:56 -0400 > Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > I found an article from an old (1970) Boston magazine about > WBCN, and it said J.J.Jackson first worked at WTUR at Tufts. > The article says the station was an FM-- but I thought it was > an AM. Do any of you recall the station? I know the story > that is on Wikipedia about it, but before it got in trouble > with Tufts, was it in fact a regular college station, or was > it always an illegal station? Does anyone remember it? From raccoonradio@mail.com Mon Apr 2 11:34:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: WEEI's Red Sox Wednesdays and On Deck show Message-ID: <20070402153455.C273383C11@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> According to the Herald blog by Jesse Noyes, "Starting April 4, WEEI is branding the middle of the week ?Red Sox Wednesday.? The whole day, parent company Entercom Communications claims, will be all-Sox-all-the-time." http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/messengerBlog/?p=268 WEEI will carry the Red Sox on Wednesday nights. The focus will be Sox exclusively on WEEI each Wednesday with guests on various shows such as Sox NESN voice Jerry Remy, manager Terry Francona, pitcher Curt Schilling, and bigwig Larry Lucchino. "Also, Mike Adams will host a new call-in show called ?Red Sox On Deck? on game nights at 6 p.m." (note that ESPN Boston is doing something similar with regards to a nightly 6 pm show) From brian_vita@cssinc.com Mon Apr 2 11:59:36 2007 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" incident? Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 Voice/+1-978-538-7550 Fax (800)231-8849 Sales.(800)FAX-CSS5 Sales Fax www.cssinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] > On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:32 AM > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Subject: Re: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > > As far as I've heard, Tufts radio under the WTUR call > letters was always a closed-circuit or carrier current > operation on AM, save for the infamous railroad tracks > incident which happened perhaps a year or two before the > station made it onto the public airwaves as WMFO 91.5 FM. > > I believe that any accounts claiming that WTUR was on the > public airwaves on AM (with 20 watts?) either legally or > illegally are incorrect, and may be confused with WMFO's > original power on FM of 18 watts ERP (10 watts w/antenna > height gain) as of it's official sign-on in 1970 until about > 1982 when they got the present 125 watt directional signal on the air. > > WTUR may have also had a "leaky cable" or other very low > power transmitter operating on FM prior to their legitimate > Class D signal signing on as WMFO but I don't know of that. > > Their station website claims the first song broadcast on > WMFO in January 1970 was The Beatles "Here Comes The Sun", > but the first thing I remember hearing on the station at > around that time was testing/stunting with a repeating > loop of "Rubber Ducky" by "Ernie" from Sesame Street. > > EP > > > > > From: Donna Halper > > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:25:56 -0400 > > Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > > > I found an article from an old (1970) Boston magazine about > WBCN, and > > it said J.J.Jackson first worked at WTUR at Tufts. The article says > > the station was an FM-- but I thought it was an AM. Do any of you > > recall the station? I know the story that is on Wikipedia > about it, > > but before it got in trouble with Tufts, was it in fact a regular > > college station, or was it always an illegal station? Does anyone > > remember it? > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release > Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007 8:49 PM From me@billoneill.us Mon Apr 2 12:20:43 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:20:43 -0400 Subject: New VT FM Message-ID: <46112D5B.8060908@billoneill.us> Checking out more of the new FM in VT WTNN (97.5 Bristol). Live jocks today cutting teeth, smashing some posts, what you'd expect with that new car smell, etc. Fairly safe mix ("new/favorites") They've put up a starter site with recently played songs, stream link, etc. at http://www.eaglecountry975.com/ Bill O'Neill From me@billoneill.us Mon Apr 2 12:47:21 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:47:21 -0400 Subject: WTNN Message-ID: <46113399.3000507@billoneill.us> Checked out the fcc database on the new station. 8,700 watts ERP ND with 158m above average terrain (33m above ground) with stick in St. George, rural town just south of Williston which is around Exit 12 on Rt 89). Audio processed fairly nicely (tweaked with fingers, not mittens). They'll be needing a boatload of boasting about signal to match the 100,000 watts of WOKO. Either way, competition is always good. Does a rising tide life all boats? Let's see if there is a local news/info commitment to follow. Bill O'Neill From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Apr 2 12:56:06 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:56:06 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> Message-ID: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to the commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended up broadcasting the station's signal around the country. The signal traveled everywhere the tracks went, reportedly. The FCC only found out when a number of other stations started complaining about interference from this strange signal which no one could place but eventually, they traced it back to Tufts ... Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Vita Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:00 PM To: 'Eli Polonsky'; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" incident? Brian Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 77 Walnut St - Ste 4 Peabody, MA 01960-5691 +1-978-538-7575 Voice/+1-978-538-7550 Fax (800)231-8849 Sales.(800)FAX-CSS5 Sales Fax www.cssinc.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 14:06:46 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:06:46 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: > > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Eli Polonsky'" , > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 > Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" > incident? Here is Wikipedia's account of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTUR However, what it doesn't say is how far away the signal could be heard from the railroad track to which this low-powered transmitter was hooked up. Though the reports that the signal could be heard along the entire length of the track may be correct, I doubt it could have been heard very far away from the track itself. Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore could not have had their license revoked, unless closed circuit stations had some sort of license in those days. EP From aerie.ma@comcast.net Mon Apr 2 14:13:31 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:13:31 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301c77552$9f50cff0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:07 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > From: "Brian Vita" > To: "'Eli Polonsky'" , > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:59:36 -0400 > Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > > Care to elaborate on the "famous railroad tracks" > incident? Here is Wikipedia's account of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTUR However, what it doesn't say is how far away the signal could be heard from the railroad track to which this low-powered transmitter was hooked up. Though the reports that the signal could be heard along the entire length of the track may be correct, I doubt it could have been heard very far away from the track itself. Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore could not have had their license revoked, unless closed circuit stations had some sort of license in those days. EP From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 2 15:47:53 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:47:53 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070402194800.2700B44C1A8@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Eli said-- > >Also, I still think that though the incident did happen, >their account classifying WTUR as a licensed broadcast >station is incorrect. I don't believe that WTUR was on >the air as a 20 watt AM licensed station, and therefore >could not have had their license revoked, That was why I asked. Every account I could find said it was carrier current, and I couldn't find it listed in any Broadcasting Yearbook or North American Radio-TV Station Guide. From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Apr 2 15:49:24 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:49:24 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> Message-ID: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 12:56 PM 4/2/2007, radiotony wrote: >As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to the >commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended up >broadcasting the station's signal around the country. I wonder if that's not an urban legend, given that the story seems to go as far back as 1919, when the late lamented 1XE at Tufts seems to have done it, getting the administration mightily offended. From stephanie@gordsven.com Mon Apr 2 16:14:40 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <32549.12.37.144.130.1175544880.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Mon, April 2, 2007 15:49, Donna Halper wrote: > I wonder if that's not an urban legend, Would the FCC still have records of the complaints and shut-down? Or are those things purged every few years? Stephanie Weil New York City, USA From donald_astelle@yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 20:53:36 2007 From: donald_astelle@yahoo.com (Donald A.) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AA back in Boston.... In-Reply-To: <20070402194931.105A344C044@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <817439.5864.qm@web55310.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Air America is under new owners, and has a new PD who is experienced in talk radio and running a network. It would be interesting to see if they can transform it into a viable operation. On another forum, someone was speculating about how Air America could return to Boston....and that "something" was better than "nothing". Here are the scenarios proposed. WILD - 1090AM WILD has a great daytime signal....but no night-time signal... WBIX - 1060AM I can't imagine they are making *any* money right now...maybe enough to pay the electric bill. 1060AM has a super daytime signal....and, well...they have bad night time signal. (But, again, something is better than nothing.) WJIB - 740AM Another great daytime signal for 250 watts! And a very small night time signal. I know Bob Bittner loves the music format....but is having a hard time with music royalty/licensing issues. This would solve that. From what I understand, Bob's politics leans a little (a lot?) to the Left. I would think this would be a perfect fit. Plus it would remove some of the man-hours needed to run WJIB as a music station, allow him to focus on some other things...and maybe even provide an opportunity to make a small profit. (After all, if anyone desrves to make a profit it's Bob!) If a daytime signal is all thats available, 1090-WILD would be best...and the politics would fit in with it's history. WJIB is situated in what some call "The People's Republic of Cambridge"...I would think the format would be welcome there. I know Donna had trouble with the night signal of WXKS and WKOX. Donna, can you get either 740AM or 1060AM at home after dark? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Apr 2 22:27:09 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:27:09 -0400 Subject: AA back in Boston.... References: <817439.5864.qm@web55310.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c77597$9d204e00$19eefea9@dstrassberg> I suspect that WBIX is doing a lot better than you believe. If it were not, I think Alex Langer would long ago have tried to sell it again. I have heard no rumors of that. The station is sold out with brokered programs and infomercials from 6:00AM until at least 6:00PM M-F And the rebroadcast of NECN audio from 8:00PM to 10:00PM may bring in some additional revenue. As for WILD and WJIB, time will tell whether one or both have some kind of future in Progressive talk. One thing is certain, though; Bob Bittner has automated WJIB to the extent that selling time to one or more of what are now three syndicators of Progressive talk (Jones, AirAmerica, and Nova-M) would not lighten his workload. The effect would more likely be just the opposite. Though Bob is anti-coporate, it it is not clear that he is a Liberal. He also does not believe that easy-listening music and political talk make a good mix. And I think he remains unconvinced that any of the program syndicators is in a position to guarantee him a reliable income stream. For its part, Jones claims it has never paid any station to carry its Progressive talk shows and vows that it never will. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald A." To: "Donna Halper" ; Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: AA back in Boston.... > Air America is under new owners, and has a new PD who > is experienced in talk radio and running a network. > > It would be interesting to see if they can transform > it into a viable operation. > > On another forum, someone was speculating about how > Air America could return to Boston....and that > "something" was better than "nothing". > > Here are the scenarios proposed. > > WILD - 1090AM WILD has a great daytime signal....but > no night-time signal... > > WBIX - 1060AM I can't imagine they are making *any* > money right now...maybe enough to pay the electric > bill. 1060AM has a super daytime signal....and, > well...they have bad night time signal. (But, again, > something is better than nothing.) > > WJIB - 740AM Another great daytime signal for 250 > watts! And a very small night time signal. I know > Bob Bittner loves the music format....but is having a > hard time with music royalty/licensing issues. This > would solve that. From what I understand, Bob's > politics leans a little (a lot?) to the Left. I would > think this would be a perfect fit. Plus it would > remove some of the man-hours needed to run WJIB as a > music station, allow him to focus on some other > things...and maybe even provide an opportunity to make > a small profit. (After all, if anyone desrves to make > a profit it's Bob!) > > If a daytime signal is all thats available, 1090-WILD > would be best...and the politics would fit in with > it's history. > > WJIB is situated in what some call "The People's > Republic of Cambridge"...I would think the format > would be welcome there. > > I know Donna had trouble with the night signal of WXKS > and WKOX. > > Donna, can you get either 740AM or 1060AM at home > after dark? > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From joe@attorneyross.com Mon Apr 2 23:58:59 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:58:59 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> References: , <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia>, <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> Message-ID: <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> On 2 Apr 2007 at 12:56, radiotony wrote: > As the story goes, some merry pranksters attached the transmitter to > the commuter rail tracks which run right outside the station and ended > up broadcasting the station's signal around the country. Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 00:51:49 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:51:49 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of > the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget > that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a proper electrical ground system). -GAWollman From scott@fybush.com Tue Apr 3 01:01:12 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:01:12 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of >> the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget >> that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. > > That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of > the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular > railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad > tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're > talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a > proper electrical ground system). There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's possible. (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its ground system to the city water pipes?) s From joe@attorneyross.com Tue Apr 3 01:08:14 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:08:14 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> References: , <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>, <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4611A8FE.23596.9DC817@joe.attorneyross.com> On 3 Apr 2007 at 1:01, Scott Fybush wrote: > There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about > every college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation > and had train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about > WLDB, the predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis > campus knows that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios > would have been to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. > > Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's > possible. > > (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet > in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its > ground system to the city water pipes?) I wonder whether snopes.com would be interested in investigating these urban legends. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From mamros@MIT.EDU Tue Apr 3 13:44:20 2007 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:44:20 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:01:12 EDT." <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <200704031744.l33HiKY7009847@mint-square.mit.edu> >There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every >college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had >train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the >predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows >that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been >to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. That urban myth made its way to MIT as well. In our case, the Red Line tracks were the purported antenna. Never saw any evidence of it taking place for real, just heresay. >Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's >possible. A sorta-kinda-similar thing *did* actually happen at MIT. Not with train tracks, and (apparently) not on purpose, but... I remember seeing documentation of an incident in which some sort of ground system problem/failure at the MIT Sailing Pavillion resulted in the signal of carrier-current WMIT (or had it changed to WTBS by then? I don't remember the exact year, unfortunately) being coupled to the iron railing that separates Memorial Drive from the Charles River. It apparently worked well enough for the station to be picked up on the Boston side of the river, until the fault was found and fixed. I'll have to see if I can find that documentation again. No promises - stuff has been moved around quite a few times over the years, and it wouldn't be surprising if stuff got lost along the way. -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 3 14:24:55 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:24:55 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com><17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> Message-ID: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> And don't forget the apparently true stories about train tracks and a real-live 50-kW AM--KBOI 670 Boise ID, whose night signal used to be legendary--until the owners of KIRN paid for a whole new DA that protects the Simi Valley station. Now, I guess that KIRN can't officially be owned by Iranians because I believe owners of US stations must be either US citizens or entities controlled by US citizens, but surely whoever owns KIRN must somehow be connected to Iran. That's got to be good for some great conspiracy theories and urban legends. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Re: J.J. Jackson at WTUR > Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > >> Is this actually technically possible? Making the entire length of > >> the tracks an antenna sounds rather like the old ads about the gadget > >> that makes all of your house wiring an antenna. > > > > That's a complicated question, because it depends on the nature of > > the tracks and the signaling system in use on the particular > > railroad. But in general, I would agree with your doubts. Railroad > > tracks are generally grounded (at least at the frequencies we're > > talking about) but not as well as a proper AM ground system (or even a > > proper electrical ground system). > > There is, further, a common urban myth of this kind at just about every > college radio station that began as a carrier-current operation and had > train tracks in plausible proximity. I even heard it about WLDB, the > predecessor to WBRS, and anyone familiar with the Brandeis campus knows > that it's quite the haul from the area where the studios would have been > to the commuter-rail tracks south of campus. > > Did the myth originate from a real event at Tufts? I suppose that's > possible. > > (And is it tied to the urban legend that a certain low-power AM outlet > in the Boston area achieves its unusually good signal by hooking its > ground system to the city water pipes?) > > s From raccoonradio@mail.com Tue Apr 3 14:29:42 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:29:42 -0500 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal Message-ID: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=192441 Herald article about how ESPN Boston (890/1400) is trying to boost its following --and night-time signal. The station launched a Red Sox/ baseball talk show weeknights at 6 pm starting last night, and recently they signed former Globe scribe Peter Gammons to do "weekly call-ins". They carry ESPN baseball coverage including the playoffs. I will say that ESPN Boston does show up in the ratings and they've even run some TV ads. The article says they are hoping to "almost double" their night-time power. WAMG 890 (I assume they're not talking about WLLH 1400, their sister station!) is said to be 3,400 watts at night and they have a CP to go 6,000 watts at night Current night pattern: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=N CP night pattern: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=C&hours=N The CP expires in May of '09. Daytime coverage would prob be the same: http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 3 14:52:23 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:52:23 -0400 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal In-Reply-To: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070403185230.6C3BD6BD1BE@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:29 PM 4/3/2007, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=192441 > >Herald article about how ESPN Boston (890/1400) is trying to boost >its following --and night-time signal. The station launched a Red Sox/ >baseball talk show weeknights at 6 pm starting last night, and recently >they signed former Globe scribe Peter Gammons to do "weekly call-ins". >They carry ESPN baseball coverage including the playoffs. Has anyone got a hot theory about the future of WWZN? They seem to not even care that they get no ratings, and the asking price to buy them is outrageous... From dan.strassberg@att.net Tue Apr 3 15:10:01 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:10:01 -0400 Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal References: <20070403182944.842E083C3F@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce interference to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major daytime overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was then WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power (IIRC from 1 kw to 910W). The power reduction presumably compensated for a slight increase in antenna efficiency, but I know of no way to check that out because the records of the previous operation are long gone from CDBS. I suppose that the then owners of what was very likely still WBMA might have paid WOTW to get out of the way. If so, I'd say it was a token move that might have made the FCC happy but had no particular effect on the overlap. Funny stuff went on when WBMA was built. I have no way to prove it, but it sure looks as if some bogus readings were taken of 890's nighttime signal strength along the 90-degree (due East) radial. Without those readings, the station would either have had to get a waiver of the CoL nighttime coverage requirements or it would have had to change its CoL. At one point, an application was filed to change the CoL from Dedham to Wellesley, but after the augmentations were filed, the application for Wellesley was abruptly withdrawn. At 90 degrees, the augmented night signal is equivalent to exatly twice the power in the standard (unaugmented) pattern. 90 degrees is dead ahead in the main lobe--right AT the radiation maximum. I've never seen an augmentation of that magnitude in any other station's pattern except near a radiation minimum. 890 has no augmentations near its minimum toward WLS. Interestingly, the unaugmented 6-kW night pattern sends the same signal strength due east as the augmented 3.4 kW pattern supposedly does. The new pattern is also fatter than the existing one and has a pair of minor lobes pretty much due north and due south. I think that if WAMG ever gets the work done, ita night signal will improve noticeably everywhere except in an arc of about 60 degrees centered on the 270-degree radial--due west of the transmitter. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: Herald: ESPN Boston hopes to boost listeners, night signal > > Daytime coverage would prob be the same: > http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WAMG&service=AM&status=L&hours=D > From stephanie@gordsven.com Tue Apr 3 15:15:44 2007 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com><17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <16319.12.37.144.130.1175627744.squirrel@mail.gordsven.com> On Tue, April 3, 2007 14:24, Dan Strassberg wrote: > surely whoever owns KIRN must > somehow be connected to Iran. That's got to be good for some great > conspiracy theories and urban legends. Yes. They're probably of Iranian ancestry or extraction. The whole purpose of KIRN is to serve the Farsi-speaking community of Los Angeles. I seriously doubt, that they're very much in favor of the current governmental positions in Iran. I mean...why would the Iranian-Americans be here, then? Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From wollman@csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 3 15:37:45 2007 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:37:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> References: <001d01c7753f$ea306ca0$6800a8c0@lysthia> <002f01c77547$d0ea43d0$72becb70$@net> <461198C3.1409.5E5E91@joe.attorneyross.com> <17937.56677.983072.254209@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4611DF98.9090809@fybush.com> <005001c7761d$69aca600$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <17938.44297.352095.392930@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Surely whoever owns KIRN must somehow be connected to Iran. Yes, a large fraction of the Iranian exile community lives in Southern California. Just like the Cubans in South Florida, they have been here long enough that many of them have U.S.-citizen children and even grandchildren, and many of the rest have become naturalized U.S. citizens. -GAWollman From dlh@donnahalper.com Tue Apr 3 17:44:16 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:44:16 -0400 Subject: Boston Tea Party memories Message-ID: <20070403214423.0623165B3D8@relay6.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> A blogger friend of mine is doing a piece on local landmarks from progressive rock's pioneering days-- seems every city had at least one club that featured the up and coming bands (who would go on to be big stars) as well as the announcers from the local "underground" radio station. I certainly recall the Boston Tea Party as being such a place-- lots of college radio jocks and the WBCN crowd hung out there-- and when I mentioned it to my friend, he thought this would be a good club to write about, as we both figured there are plenty of Boomers who still remember it. So I'm writing up a short piece about the Tea Party and would welcome any recollections from any of you to go along with the historical stuff and the newspaper articles I have. I'll let you know when and where it can be read, as soon as I finish it. From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Apr 4 08:50:38 2007 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:50:38 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Message-ID: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Railroad tracks would make a fairly decent ground, but a crummy antenna. Horizontal radiators are poor in the AM band. With any antenna or ground system, it's only the first few wavelengths that contribute to radiating a signal. After that, most of the signal voltage is gone. 1000 miles of wire (or track) is little different from 1000 feet. RF does not act like DC or mains AC. As a serious ground, 120 quarter-wave radials PER TOWER, as typically used by better AM installations, is the way to go. The best "get-out-ability" AM stations like Boston's WBZ and NYC's WCBS are running 50 kW to tall towers and extensive radial grounding systems in coastal salt-water marsh. If hearing these nationwide is a challenge on ordinary receivers (we're not talking R-390A's and beach Beverages), then 20 watts connected to ANYTHING, including a wire to the moon, isn't going to be heard too far. Hooking a carrier current rig to tracks or several hundred feet of wire between tall buildings will certainly get it to more places, but I'd be surprised if any of those places were beyond 50 miles. Maybe with the right skip and/or waterpath, 200-300 miles at best. The higher end of the AM dial, rather than 560 kHz, would actually be better in terms of skip. For the guy who attended Tufts in the late '60s, I wonder if you knew two of my ham buddies who went there around then - Phil Schoenheiter (N1PZU) and Chuck O'Neal (K1KW, ex-WA1EKV). They were E.E. students who may have been involved with the Tufts ham club (W1KN) and perhaps the broadcast operation as well. The late Gordon Nelson had told me about students at MIT's carrier current (640) hooking up a good antenna once. It was heard at least as far as NH and metro-Worcester (but by DXers, not casual listeners). As far as average-listener quality range, I think the Fenway Park area is about as far as it got. I went to Northeastern U. in the late '60s and early '70s. Before WRBB (originally 91.7, later 104.9) came on, there was carrier-current WNEU-560. Its coverage, even around campus, was spotty and by the time you got "a frisbee toss away" to student apartments on the north side of Fort Hill (just across the Columbus Ave. RR tracks), it was buried under the WGAN/WHYN mix. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << "aerie.ma@comcast.net" wrote: I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 08:57:45 2007 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:57:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> I've wondered about the railroad tracks thing too. I have no recollection of that at all, and since WMFO went on the air in 1970, I can't believe the FCC had just "raided" them for the railroad track infringement. Besides, railroad tracks are not continuous. There are insulators periodically to divide the track into blocks electrically for the signal system to be able to indicate where a train is. I did not know your two ham buddies at Tufts, but I did have Organic Chemistry lab across from Tommy Hadges, who was very active at WTUR and subsequently one of the foundation group at WBCN. I wish I had kept in touch because he'd certainly know about the railroad track thing. -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of markwa1ion@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:51 AM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: RE: J.J. Jackson at WTUR Railroad tracks would make a fairly decent ground, but a crummy antenna. Horizontal radiators are poor in the AM band. With any antenna or ground system, it's only the first few wavelengths that contribute to radiating a signal. After that, most of the signal voltage is gone. 1000 miles of wire (or track) is little different from 1000 feet. RF does not act like DC or mains AC. As a serious ground, 120 quarter-wave radials PER TOWER, as typically used by better AM installations, is the way to go. The best "get-out-ability" AM stations like Boston's WBZ and NYC's WCBS are running 50 kW to tall towers and extensive radial grounding systems in coastal salt-water marsh. If hearing these nationwide is a challenge on ordinary receivers (we're not talking R-390A's and beach Beverages), then 20 watts connected to ANYTHING, including a wire to the moon, isn't going to be heard too far. Hooking a carrier current rig to tracks or several hundred feet of wire between tall buildings will certainly get it to more places, but I'd be surprised if any of those places were beyond 50 miles. Maybe with the right skip and/or waterpath, 200-300 miles at best. The higher end of the AM dial, rather than 560 kHz, would actually be better in terms of skip. For the guy who attended Tufts in the late '60s, I wonder if you knew two of my ham buddies who went there around then - Phil Schoenheiter (N1PZU) and Chuck O'Neal (K1KW, ex-WA1EKV). They were E.E. students who may have been involved with the Tufts ham club (W1KN) and perhaps the broadcast operation as well. The late Gordon Nelson had told me about students at MIT's carrier current (640) hooking up a good antenna once. It was heard at least as far as NH and metro-Worcester (but by DXers, not casual listeners). As far as average-listener quality range, I think the Fenway Park area is about as far as it got. I went to Northeastern U. in the late '60s and early '70s. Before WRBB (originally 91.7, later 104.9) came on, there was carrier-current WNEU-560. Its coverage, even around campus, was spotty and by the time you got "a frisbee toss away" to student apartments on the north side of Fort Hill (just across the Columbus Ave. RR tracks), it was buried under the WGAN/WHYN mix. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << "aerie.ma@comcast.net" wrote: I was an undergraduate at Tufts 1966-70. WTUR was carrier current in the dormitories, on 560 kHz if I recall correctly. You could barely hear them in the parking lot outside the dormitory. I do seem to remember that they did put an FM transmitter on the air that had a bit larger range. I think it was on 88.3 Mhz. The range was barely the entire campus, however. I lived a block away from the campus and could not receive it there, and it did not interfere with WTBS (at the time) on 88.1 mHz. This was distinct from WMFO which came along later. I wonder if WMFO was incorporated in 1970 to make it the University's responsibility, rather than a "student club" as WTUR was. >> ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From radiotony@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 13:13:00 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Speculation anyone? Message-ID: <200704041715.l34HFc36049073@rolinin.bostonradio.org> In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its license and studio eauipment as collateral. Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some errands ... Sent from the Treo of Tony Schinella From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 14:40:08 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <200704041715.l34HFc36049073@rolinin.bostonradio.org> Message-ID: <448310.76311.qm@web58313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> radiotony@comcast.net wrote: > In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an > Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to > develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its > license and studio eauipment as collateral. > > Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted > another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. > The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... > > Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some > errands ... 800 in Lawrence would seem to be the clubhouse leader. Well, it could be 1110, but that's technically licensed to Salem, N.H. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From bradfordwood@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 16:23:53 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (bradfordwood@comcast.net) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:23:53 +0000 Subject: Speculation anyone? Message-ID: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sean Smyth > radiotony@comcast.net wrote: > > In today's WSJ, in the classified section, there is an ad in which an > > Eastern Mass. Spanish radio station is seeking a loan for $2M to > > develop some land. The station, which is not named, is offering its > > license and studio eauipment as collateral. > > > > Also,while perusing some radio brokerage firm sites, I spotted > > another Eastern Mass. radio property, unnamed of course, for sale. > > The AM station is called ''profitable'' ... > > > > Speculation anyone? Do talk amongst yourselves while I run some > > errands ... > > 800 in Lawrence would seem to be the clubhouse leader. > Well, it could be 1110, but that's technically licensed to Salem, N.H. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From scott@fybush.com Wed Apr 4 16:42:18 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:42:18 -0400 Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> References: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: > > 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. > > 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. > > 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... > > The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA studio site? s From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 4 15:59:22 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:59:22 -0300 Subject: Speculation anyone? References: <040420072023.5468.46140958000DC4570000155C22068136130C050303@comcast.net> <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <003d01c776f3$bf0ed7e0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> Or self developing the WESX site and using JDA as collateral? That might not fit in with fulfilling his "necessity" to jam WESX into 1/2 of Saugus but he probably needs a backup if the Marblehead town meeting doesn't approve a "taking." Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Speculation anyone? > bradfordwood@comcast.net wrote: > > Talking Costa/Eagle for a moment: > > > > 800 in Lawrence has no land - they lease their tower from Gowdy Family Ltd. > > > > 1110 in Salem/Lawrence has land - swamp land in summer - icy swamp land in winter - pretty much undevelopable (if that's a word) esp. with a handful of towers in the way. > > > > 1490 technically has some land (but the land is owned by The River 92.5) in Haverhill...so it could not be considered unless Steven Silverberg(?) is looking to develop...there was some scuttlebut that SS was looking to develop/build condos on Observatory Ave a few years back... > > > > The only land that Costa Eagle has is a postage stamp sized piece of land behind their corporate headquarters at 462 Merrimack Street in Methuen...highly unlikely. Besides, at last check, there wasn't a whole lot of studio equipment that would be worth collateral at 462 Merrimack either. > > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA studio site? > > s > From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Apr 4 17:05:45 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:05:45 -0400 Subject: J.J. Jackson at WTUR In-Reply-To: <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> References: <8C944CEFB1DEEFB-F58-40E@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> <000301c776b8$d6e413c0$128e3f81@MoeHoward> Message-ID: <20070404210555.508DA44C076@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 08:57 AM 4/4/2007, Jim wrote: >I've wondered about the railroad tracks thing too. I have no recollection of >that at all, and since WMFO went on the air in 1970, I can't believe the FCC >had just "raided" them for the railroad track infringement. Besides, >railroad tracks are not continuous. There are insulators periodically to >divide the track into blocks electrically for the signal system to be able >to indicate where a train is. No kidding, the first time I saw that story, it was attributed to something that got 1XE in trouble at Tufts in (wait for it) 1916. And I do have the newspaper clippings. So it's been around for a while, as all good urban legends have. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:27:57 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speculation anyone? In-Reply-To: <46140DAA.6000206@fybush.com> Message-ID: <763146.84027.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA > studio site? But are his stations Spanish operations? I thought there was some English-language programming sprinkled in. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:27 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <561775.79595.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:38 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <916683.98145.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:49:50 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Transmitter site in Nashua 1000 watts to 910 watts In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <163478.36074.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From rogerkola@aol.com Wed Apr 4 18:52:13 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0300 Subject: Speculation anyone? References: <763146.84027.qm@web58309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c7770b$e32be9c0$0200a8c0@Tanguray> I can speak for WESX...yes it does have some English language programming either included in it's present schedule or planned for in the near future. Roger WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Smyth" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Speculation anyone? > Scott Fybush wrote: > > I smell Principle Broadcasting/Otto Miller here. Maybe the WJDA > > studio site? > > But are his stations Spanish operations? I thought there was some > English-language programming sprinkled in. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news > From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:52:54 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <565667.61930.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:52:59 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <884563.54977.qm@web30714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From n1qgs@yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 19:55:20 2007 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WAS Re: Herald: ESPN -- IS Re WOTW 900 Nashua 1000w to 910 and antenna move In-Reply-To: <005a01c77623$b28768a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <20070404235520.31491.qmail@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Dan Strassberg wrote: > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power > > The CP shows minor tweaks to the day pattern to slightly reduce > interference > to 900 in Nashua. With or without the tweaks, there is fairly major > daytime > overlap between the Dedham and Nashua signals. Some years ago, what was > then > WOTW moved a few miles north and also slightly reduced its day power The old studio and tower at WOTW 900 AM was replaced by condos and/or condexes after WOTW went off the air in the 1980's. After several years WMVU came on the air at 900 AM Nashua, the old site being unavailable, WMVU needed to find a new site. I was told the reduction to 910 watts was to satisfy the Canadians not Dedham signal. John B Derry NH From rickajho@rcn.com Wed Apr 4 11:39:17 2007 From: rickajho@rcn.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:17 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> Are we going to lose the last AM station in the region that still plays music? (aka: Hasn't turned into talk radio format.) I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner - has something to say. He's announcing that because of the new royalty fee structure he can't keep the station playing a music format. He is saying that if people want the station to keep playing it's existing format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations by some date in June to cover the new royalty structure fees for the next year. If that amount is not raised by June the station will change to a talk radio format and any donations made will be returned. He's not saying that the station will be sold at that time, but it sounds like it. Can't imagine him running it himself as yet another talk radio station on the air. Tune it in and hear it yourself - the announcement doesn't come up often, but he does repeat it several times a day. I like WJIB but I've never understood how he has managed to run it while *not* running any commercial advertising at all. AFAIK he only has one period of leased air time for a foreign language broadcast and that can't be enough revenue to cover costs, even before the new royalty fees go into effect. It seems like his policy to reject advertising has been extreme. Nice - but somewhat impractical. Personally, I wouldn't mind advertising on the station if it meant it didn't change format. Any comments? Hate to see this station in it's current format going off the air. Rick From GMBReading@comcast.net Wed Apr 4 21:11:22 2007 From: GMBReading@comcast.net (George Reading) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:11:22 -0700 Subject: Dick Summer reveals..... Message-ID: <46144CBA.8080706@comcast.net> Googling my old colleague "Juicy" Brucie Bradley brought up a page of dialogue (apparently a part of "Dick Summer reveals..." page). Like others, I have great admiration for his talents. I had the pleasure of seeing them from the inside, ie, I worked with Bruce at WROW beginning in 1957 when I was the news voice on his show. The program changed format in that year: subsequently named "Radio Row" in a listener contest. I don't need to remind anyone of his wit and humor. I never heard him talk down to anybody. Our paths crossed again several times. Years later in Boston, I was a newscaster on 'BZ TV while Bruce had his top rated radio show. In the late '60's I was at CBS radio in NY at the time Bruce moved to WHN a few blocks away in mid town. I lost track of him after I came to California in '71. I would be grateful to know if you have any info on Bruce's current whereabouts. Thanks and best wishes, George Reading From joe@attorneyross.com Thu Apr 5 01:02:35 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:02:35 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> References: <4613C6A5.1A9FF024@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46144AAB.3023.BAD950@joe.attorneyross.com> On 4 Apr 2007 at 11:39, Rick wrote: > Are we going to lose the last AM station in the region that still > plays music? (aka: Hasn't turned into talk radio format.) > > I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner - has > something to say. He's announcing that because of the new royalty fee > structure he can't keep the station playing a music format. He is > saying that if people want the station to keep playing it's existing > format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations by some date in June > to cover the new royalty structure fees for the next year. If that > amount is not raised by June the station will change to a talk radio > format and any donations made will be returned. He's not saying that > the station will be sold at that time, but it sounds like it. Can't > imagine him running it himself as yet another talk radio station on > the air. This is several-weeks-old news, and we've discussed it around here. The main problem is that ASCAP and BMI have greatly increased the licensing fees for the music that Bob uses (BTW, it's Bittner, not Vintner). Also, unless Bob has changed the announcement, he did not say that he was going to turn the station into a talk station. In the announcement that I heard, he didn't really say what he would do with the station if he couldn't raise the money that he needs to raise. Listener-supported stations have existed before -- the best-known private station in the local area was Simon Geller's WVCA in Gloucester, which lasted that way for many years. Time will tell whether Bob is successful in this. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 09:09:55 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:09:55 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: > > From: Rick > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:17 -0400 > Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? > > I flipped on WJIB 740 yesterday and the owner - Bob Vintner > - has something to say. WJIB is owned by Bob Bittner, not Vintner. > He is saying that if people want the station to keep playing > it's existing format he needs to raise $87,000.00 in donations > by some date in June to cover the new royalty structure fees > for the next year. If that amount is not raised by June the > station will change to a talk radio format and any donations > made will be returned. This has been being discussed on an on-line discussion board in which Bittner himself participates. He says that, so far, he's been getting a good response, and it looks like there's a chance that the needed amount may be raised. > AFAIK he only has one period of leased air time for a foreign > language broadcast and that can't be enough revenue to cover > costs, even before the new royalty fees go into effect. The daily foreign language show, which was the weekday morning news magazine show from Radio France International, is gone due to budgetary cuts at RFI. As for leased time, WJIB is now down to only some Sunday morning religious/gospel programming. The withdrawal of RFI along with the increased music royalty fees are the main factors which caused Bob's current problems. EP From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 5 11:44:31 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:44:31 -0500 Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station Message-ID: <20070405154431.9384D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (tip of the hat to BostonRadioBlog for finding this) A founder of WFCC in Chatham complains about what the once-locally oriented, highly recognized station has become and he wonders if it will even stay classical: http://www.barnstablepatriot.com/guest_commentary_wfccs_founder_sees_trouble_ahead_for_cape_radio_news_16_11700.html "Now WFCC has been degraded and ?darkened? to a ?satellite? station." He also wonders if the possible purchase of WFCC by Sandab Communications "could very probably result in the demise of Classical Music Radio on Cape Cod!" From attychase@comcast.net Thu Apr 5 12:14:10 2007 From: attychase@comcast.net (Robert S Chase) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:14:10 -0400 Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station References: Message-ID: <000801c7779d$72918a20$6400a8c0@HomeOffice> What do you expect when you have the best FCC (and other federal regulatory bodies) that money can buy. > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:44:31 -0500 > From: "Bob Nelson" > Subject: WFCC founder laments current state of station > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <20070405154431.9384D83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > (tip of the hat to BostonRadioBlog for finding this) > > A founder of WFCC in Chatham complains about what the once-locally > oriented, highly recognized > station has become and he wonders if it will even stay classical: Quote "Now, there is about to be a further change, as Baltimore-based Sandab Communications is negotiating with CRB for WFCC (along with CRB's other Cape radio station, WKPE, Orleans). This move will give Sandab -- which previously bought WQRC-FM and WOCN-FM -- the second, third and fourth-ranked stations in the market. (The #1 station, WXTK, is owned by another conglomerate, Quantum). Do you suppose all of this maneuvering creates a "market monopoly?" Well let me tell you, this latest move also could very probably result in the demise of Classical Music Radio on Cape Cod! Local community-oriented radio stations are being devoured, dissected, and discarded by the "Mega-Media Moguls." Operating in the "interest, convenience and necessity" of the public they are licensed to serve, has become a joke -- the butt of which, deplorably, is the listening audience!" From raccoonradio@mail.com Thu Apr 5 15:58:03 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:58:03 -0500 Subject: WPNI 1430 Amherst temporarily simulcasting WUMB Message-ID: <20070405195804.5EAA149B842@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Small item in today's Globe mentions that WPNI 1430 in Amherst which had been running some public radio via WFCR is now simulcasting WUMB-FM as they await sale. (Something similar happened when WLYN was sold, I believe, as they temporarily put WUMB on..._ From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 6 01:21:42 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:21:42 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? Message-ID: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Bob Bittner doesn't post on this list, but he does read it, and he has told me that I was correct in saying that he never mentioned turning WJIB into a talk station. He says he left it vague as to what he'd do after June, but it's all irrelevant because listener contributions have been phenomenal. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Apr 6 07:06:38 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:06:38 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <461629BE.1050304@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > but it's all irrelevant because listener > contributions have been phenomenal. > That is fantastic news. Way to go, Bob. A classy way to address an issue with the public and it is showing returns. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 09:16:37 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:16:37 -0400 Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? References: <4615A0A6.30378.752745@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <001301c7784d$e8312be0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Well, from the discussion I had with Bob a few days ago, listener response to his appeal for funds has been gratifying, but it's still too early to be assured that he will meet his goal of raising $88,000 by late June. So keep those checks coming to him folks! In case anyone who is reading this doesn't know the details, send checks payable to WJIB to the station at 443 Concord Ave, Cambridge MA, 02138. Contributions are NOT tax deductible. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: WJIB 740 in trouble? > Bob Bittner doesn't post on this list, but he does read it, and he > has told me that I was correct in saying that he never mentioned > turning WJIB into a talk station. He says he left it vague as to > what he'd do after June, but it's all irrelevant because listener > contributions have been phenomenal. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 10:05:06 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WJIB 740 in trouble? In-Reply-To: <001301c7784d$e8312be0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <715820.82789.qm@web58311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > Well, from the discussion I had with Bob a few days ago, listener > response > to his appeal for funds has been gratifying, but it's still too early > to be > assured that he will meet his goal of raising $88,000 by late June. We're dealing with semantics here, but Bob didn't say that he needed the $88,000 by June. He said that it would cost $88,000 to operate the station for 2007 and said that he would use the June date as a measuring stick for whether collecting enough donations to cover 2007 expenses would be feasible. That's the way that I interpreted his message. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From raccoonradio@mail.com Fri Apr 6 13:48:17 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings still make money but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow they find the money from advertising. Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? (Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) WTTT has never shown in the ratings with its conservative talk format but Salem Comm. apparently hasn't had a problem with that. Just run those national spots for "rich, chocolate Ovaltine" and Tanya Roberts inviting you to "get out of Dodge--stir up some romantic passion in the most exciting city on Earth. Las Vegas is calling!" You've heard those ads too, eh? ...constantly. I get the feeling Clr Chnl didn't have any sales managers working for WKOX/WXKS exclusively (as prog talk); they were probably shared with other stations in the cluster, and maybe they didn't make an effort to sell local advertising. (It's also possible that the company made so much money with Jamn 94.5 and Kiss 108, that they could run the 2 AMs as a break-even or even lose-money proposition with AAR and now with Rumba. Whether they have sales people dedicated to those 2 AMs now, I don't know, but some AM stations can at least break even with specialty formats like this. Again, had CC put on local hosts, waited for the signal of 1200 to improve (should be done in a few months), promoted the station, and perhaps had some sales people go out there to sell spots, it could still be prog talk today. Do you get the feeling that CC was just running AAR as a placeholder format: if it works, great, if not then change format or even try to sell the 2 stations-- but didn't quite make any effort to promote the station OR sell ads for it? (Or maybe they were trying to stave off the Fairness Doctrine coming back...) Just turn on the "computer in a closet" while we concentrate on the FMs... By the way I gotta laugh. Go to the Clear Channel site and type in WXKS under station search. Apparently WXKS runs "nostalgia" with a logo saying "Boston's Original Hits". A format they abandoned on Oct 4, 2004...nice they updated the site. As for WKOX, type in those calls and you get the Rumba logo... and the format "Progressive Talk". Seriously... From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 14:02:22 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:02:22 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Nelson" >To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" >Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 >It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 >didn't show up at all. >But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? >It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings >still make money >but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and >maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or >none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow >they find the money from advertising. >Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? >(Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in >a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) I think the radio entity that runs WWZN is called "Vulcan Radio" or something like that, and they recently sold their Los Angeles 50 KW outlet, so Mr. Allen MAY be tiring of his radio venturing. Speaking of ads, even now that we're in EDST, I can still pick up WWKB-AM 1520 in Buffalo just as Stephanie Miller is starting and I listen for about an hour-and-a-half and the breaks are just LOADED with spots (one or two promos, almost no PSA's) just the opposite of the WXKS-AM/WKOX progressive talk experience. = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From kc1ih@mac.com Fri Apr 6 14:23:47 2007 From: kc1ih@mac.com (Larry Weil) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <001301c77878$be18e660$c7151bac@MasterExtra> > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. Larry Weil Lake Wobegone, NH From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Apr 6 14:25:06 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:25:06 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070406180222.361381648E6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20070406182517.ED15B44E7B3@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Laurence wrote-- > >I think the radio entity that runs WWZN is called "Vulcan Radio" or something >like that, and they recently sold their Los Angeles 50 KW outlet, so Mr. >Allen MAY be tiring of his radio venturing. Speaking of ads, even >now that we're in EDST, I can still pick up WWKB-AM 1520 in Buffalo just >as Stephanie Miller is starting and I listen for about an hour-and-a-half >and the breaks are just LOADED with spots (one or two promos, almost no PSA's) >just the opposite of the WXKS-AM/WKOX progressive talk experience. And that is the re-broadcast of Steph's show, which airs in the morning. WWKB's numbers doubled in the most recent book-- I think they're up to a respectable 1.4 and yes they have actually got commercials, because they have actually got a sales staff! From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 14:57:18 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 6 15:13:56 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. :-) s From me@billoneill.us Fri Apr 6 15:31:49 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:31:49 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <46169BF4.6000303@fybush.com> Message-ID: <4616A025.1070400@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: > > TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. > > :-) > > s That sounds like a late-night pharmaceutical ad slogan. ;-) Use only as directed. Ask your doctor. Bill O'Neill From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 15:31:33 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:31:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <003f01c77882$34c8b980$19eefea9@satpro4600> 800 kHz is TWICE the wavelength of 1600 kHz NOT half. l=c/f where l = wavelength in meters, c = the speed of light (299.8*10^6 m/sec) and f is the frequency in Hz. If you double the frequency, you halve the wavelength. The owner of WWZN, WSNR, KXL, the former KXL-FM (whose current calls I don't recall), and the about-to-be former owner of KMPC is Rose City Radio. The Rose City is Portland OR, home of KXL and the FM I can't name. Portland is is Paul Allen's home. Besides the radio stations, Allen also owns the Portland Trailblazers and one or two of Seattle's three major sports franchises: the Mariners, the Seahawks, and the SuperSonics. And he owns Charter Communications, the cable company, the Sporting News magazine/newspaper, and the Sporting News Radio Network. I imagine he has other business interests but I can't name them. The Portland stations, neither of which has ever been affiliated with SNR, are profitable and not for sale. WSNR is now doing brokered ethnic in the New York market and is presumably profitable although is allegedly for sale. WWZN must therefore be Allen's one remaining clearly unprofitable radio property. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Larry Weil" ; "'Bob Nelson'" ; "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Weil" > To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Nelson > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > > 1430 didn't show up at all. > >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish > >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. > >Larry Weil > >Lake Wobegone, NH > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:43:09 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <640235.53669.qm@web58303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL > Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. > WUNR has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I'm amazed that WUNR cracked the ratings. With the diversity of programs on there, do you know how many ears they need to get to listen to each of those programs to show up in the book? (I'm shocked they even subscribe to Arbitron to begin with.) I'd imagine their TSL isn't the best. > I think it's a bit strange that > WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal > over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? Isn't WRCA's "upgrade" not much of an upgrade signal-wise? Their signal still isn't great in suburbia, IIRC, where much of the audience for a left-leaning talk audience would be commuting to/from. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:49:18 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <003f01c77882$34c8b980$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dan Strassberg wrote: > The owner of WWZN, WSNR, KXL, the former KXL-FM (whose current calls > I don't > recall), and the about-to-be former owner of KMPC is Rose City Radio. > The > Rose City is Portland OR, home of KXL and the FM I can't name. > Portland is > is Paul Allen's home. Besides the radio stations, Allen also owns the > Portland Trailblazers and one or two of Seattle's three major sports > franchises: the Mariners, the Seahawks, and the SuperSonics. And he > owns > Charter Communications, the cable company, the Sporting News > magazine/newspaper, and the Sporting News Radio Network. I imagine he > has > other business interests but I can't name them. > > The Portland stations, neither of which has ever been affiliated with > SNR, > are profitable and not for sale. WSNR is now doing brokered ethnic in > the > New York market and is presumably profitable although is allegedly > for sale. > WWZN must therefore be Allen's one remaining clearly unprofitable > radio > property. Allen owns the Seahawks. He may have a stake in the Mariners. He couldn't own the Sonics, since the NBA does not allow dual ownership. The Sporting News conglomerate was sold in September to Advance Publications and the Newhouse family, publisher of numerous magazines and newspapers (The Republican in Springfield being their only area property). The sale *did* include the radio stations. I feel confident in saying that Advance has little in the way of radio interests, if any, so I'm thinking that the stations are on the block. More on The Sporting News sale: http://www.sportingnews.com/mediakit/news/2006-09-05.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From scott@fybush.com Fri Apr 6 15:52:46 2007 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:52:46 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <996565.47058.qm@web58306.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com> Sean Smyth wrote: > The Sporting News conglomerate was sold in September to Advance > Publications and the Newhouse family, publisher of numerous magazines > and newspapers (The Republican in Springfield being their only area > property). The sale *did* include the radio stations. I feel confident > in saying that Advance has little in the way of radio interests, if > any, so I'm thinking that the stations are on the block. The sale may have included Sporting News Radio, the network. I'm quite certain it did not include the radio stations themselves. s From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:57:27 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com> Message-ID: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Scott Fybush wrote: > The sale may have included Sporting News Radio, the network. I'm > quite > certain it did not include the radio stations themselves. Once again, you are correct, sir. I misread the press release initially. >From the previously linked release: "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets included in the transaction with ACBJ." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From paul@derrynh.net Fri Apr 6 16:57:50 2007 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:57:50 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <20070406185718.C027116495B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> WNNW-800 also runs a Spanish-English hybrid Top 30 show put out by MTV each Saturday. Even the DJ will freely mix English and Spanish in her monologue, and the 30 hits are about 60/40 English Language Paul Hopfgarten Derry, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM To: Larry Weil; 'Bob Nelson'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Weil" To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Nelson > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM > To: BostonRadio Mailing List > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y > 1430 didn't show up at all. >Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >Larry Weil >Lake Wobegone, NH Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR has some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Fri Apr 6 17:06:55 2007 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:06:55 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070406210655.0099E16497D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Fybush" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 >Laurence Glavin wrote: > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. >The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: >TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. >:-) >s Yow...about 30 minutes after the original posting, I realized that I probably got it wrong. On more than a few occasions I've tuned to WUNR not far from the 800 tower, under WCCM and WNNW, and observed imaging from the 800 outlet. Wait until WUNR boosts its power at the Sawmill Brook Parkway site; the signals will really do battle. S I D E B A R: The first year I was in the Air Force, I was assigned to a base in Spokane, WA, so I was looking forward to your spread on that City's radio scene, and it certainly is fine so far. Remember, even today, Spokane is not much bigger than Hartford/W. Hartford combined and the metro area is no great shakes either. Spokane must be one of the most over-radioed cities in the country. No wonder you reference stations that over the years have gone silent (and you didn't even mention KLFF-AM 1590, Mead, WA. = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From bradfordwood@comcast.net Fri Apr 6 17:32:33 2007 From: bradfordwood@comcast.net (Bradford Wood) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:32:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616BC71.70402@comcast.net> ACBJ owns both Mass High Tech and the Boston Business Journal - both based in the Financial District - but those are their only two publications in this market. BW Sean Smyth wrote: > Once again, you are correct, sir. I misread the press release > initially. > > >From the previously linked release: > "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los > Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets > included in the transaction with ACBJ." > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > From dan.strassberg@att.net Fri Apr 6 17:40:42 2007 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:40:42 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406210655.0099E16497D@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <000d01c77894$3fe7d780$19eefea9@dstrassberg> WUNR's power increase will be accompanied by a SIGNIFICANT decrease in radiation toward Nashua. WRCA's power increase will be accompanied by a SIGNIFICANT decrease in radiation toward Derry. Both stations' new patterns are FAR more restrictive to the north than are the current patterns. In addition, WRCA will be moving five or so miles further from NH. WRCA, which currently delivers an excellent signal to my QTH will deliver a poor signal by day and will receive significant audible interference at night. WUNR's already poor signal will deteriorate further. The improved signals will be noticeable mainly in areas to the east of Oak Hill, and will be most noticeable in Dorchester, Mattapan, Quincy, and Milton. Except for upscale Milton, those are, of course, the areas that WUNR and WRCA target. Because of its higher power, less restricitve patterns, and the greater distance of its move, WKOX will experience the greatest improvements in its signal to the east and north of Oak Hill. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Scott Fybush" Cc: "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Fybush" > >To: "Laurence Glavin" > >Subject: Re: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:56 -0400 > >Laurence Glavin wrote: > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL Brookline > > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. > >The nitpickers' brigade springs into action: > >TWICE the wavelength; half the FREQUENCY. > >:-) > >s > > Yow...about 30 minutes after the original posting, I realized that > I probably got it wrong. On more than a few occasions I've tuned > to WUNR not far from the 800 tower, under WCCM and WNNW, and observed > imaging from the 800 outlet. Wait until WUNR boosts its power at > the Sawmill Brook Parkway site; the signals will really > do battle. > S > I > D > E > B > A > R: The first year I was in the Air Force, I was assigned to a base in > Spokane, WA, so I was looking forward to your spread on that City's > radio scene, and it certainly is fine so far. Remember, even today, > Spokane is not much bigger than Hartford/W. Hartford combined and the metro > area is no great shakes either. Spokane must be one of the most over-radioed > cities in the country. No wonder you reference stations that over the years > have gone silent (and you didn't even mention KLFF-AM 1590, Mead, WA. > > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From rogerkola@aol.com Fri Apr 6 17:24:35 2007 From: rogerkola@aol.com (Roger Kolakowski) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:24:35 -0300 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? References: <20070406174817.A100349B801@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00a101c77891$fa0a0460$0200a8c0@Tanguray> We also might consider that although Arbitron is all we have, the process is flawed and favors rabid radio affectionados. In addition note that ratings bottom out around .4 ...I believe that the percentage of error also equates to around .4 or .5 rating points last time I looked at it. So you could be a .4 and not be rated (or be rated a .8), or be a 0 and be rated a .4. BTW "rabid radio affectionados" translates well in Portuguese. Please don't use my post to start an Arbitron debate, they are trying to adjust things to get better accuracy, but for the AM band...they better hurry. Roger (former mostly non-rated AM Station salesperson) WA1KAT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. > But maybe they still could make a few bucks despite that? > > It may sound weird that stations which don't show up in the ratings still make money > but supposedly formats like (all-syndicated) sports, religion, and > maybe even ethnic supposedly bill well despite lackluster ratings or > none at all. If anything these are low budget operations and somehow > they find the money from advertising. > > Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in the ratings? > (Is Paul Allen enjoying wasting his money, or do they actually rake in > a few bucks from running Sporting News Radio?) WTTT has never shown in > the ratings with its conservative talk format but Salem Comm. > apparently hasn't had a problem with that. Just run those national > spots for "rich, chocolate Ovaltine" and Tanya Roberts inviting you to > "get out of Dodge--stir up some romantic passion in the most > exciting city on Earth. Las Vegas is calling!" > > You've heard those ads too, eh? ...constantly. > > I get the feeling Clr Chnl didn't have any sales managers working for > WKOX/WXKS exclusively (as prog talk); they were probably shared with other stations > in the cluster, and maybe they didn't make an effort to sell local > advertising. (It's also possible that the company made so much money > with Jamn 94.5 and Kiss 108, that they could run the 2 AMs as a > break-even or even lose-money proposition with AAR and now with Rumba. > Whether they have sales people dedicated to those 2 AMs now, I don't > know, but some AM stations can at least break even with specialty > formats like this. > > Again, had CC put on local hosts, waited for the signal of 1200 > to improve (should be done in a few months), promoted the station, > and perhaps had some sales people go out there to sell spots, > it could still be prog talk today. Do you get the feeling that CC > was just running AAR as a placeholder format: if it works, great, > if not then change format or even try to sell the 2 stations-- > but didn't quite make any effort to promote the station OR > sell ads for it? (Or maybe they were trying to stave off the > Fairness Doctrine coming back...) > > Just turn on the "computer in a closet" while we concentrate > on the FMs... > > By the way I gotta laugh. Go to the Clear Channel site and type in > WXKS under station search. Apparently WXKS runs "nostalgia" with a > logo saying "Boston's Original Hits". > > A format they abandoned on Oct 4, 2004...nice they updated the site. > > As for WKOX, type in those calls and you get the Rumba logo... > and the format "Progressive Talk". Seriously... > > > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Apr 6 23:56:19 2007 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:56:19 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com>, <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> On 6 Apr 2007 at 12:57, Sean Smyth wrote: > >From the previously linked release: > "Vulcan Sports Media also operates radio stations in New York, Los > Angeles and Boston, which are being sold separately from those assets > included in the transaction with ACBJ." Vulcan Sports Media? Do they have a nerve-pinching competition? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 05:17:33 2007 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:17:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > From: "Bob Nelson" > To: "BostonRadio Mailing List" > > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:48:17 -0500 > Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba > 1200 y 1430 didn't show up at all. > > Why is WWZN still doing sports if it doesn't show up in > the ratings? The Boston ratings published to the general public online only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've occasionally seen the further breakdowns right down to 0.0, and stations that people think have "no ratings" judging by what they see on the public on-line sites are often actually getting shares from 0.1 to 0.3. Those are not high enough to be competitive in a major market in most cases, but it's not true that those stations have absolutely "no ratings" just because they don't show up on the public online sites because they haven't gotten an 0.4 or better. Though I've never seen WWZN appear on the online publishing because they've always been under 0.4, I've usually seen them at around 0.2 whenever I've had the opportunity to see the entire breakdowns. This is, of course, severe underperformance for a 50 kW signal, but there are people listening. > > From: "Laurence Glavin" > To: "Larry Weil" , "'Bob Nelson'" > , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:57:18 -0500 > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM > 1600 COL Brookline and WNNW-AM 800 COL Lawrence. ... I > think it's a bit strange that WRCA-AM 1330 COL Waltham > doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets > elsewhere. Do you think it might do better than > WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up progressive talk? WRCA has shown up with a 0.4 a couple of times over the past few years, so they could be just under the published ratings with an 0.3 now. I don't think brokered stations are as concerned about their overall ratings as long as the programmers still feel that they have listeners, are getting sponsors for themselves, and continue to pay the stations for the airtime. > > From: Sean Smyth > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > I'm amazed that WUNR cracked the ratings. With the > diversity of programs on there, do you know how many > ears they need to get to listen to each of those programs > to show up in the book? (I'm shocked they even subscribe > to Arbitron to begin with.) I'd imagine their TSL isn't > the best. Their Spanish programming seems to be pretty solid at certain key times on weekdays lately, which is probably where the bulk of their ratings are coming from. It is listed as "Spanish" in the Arb. EP From me@billoneill.us Sat Apr 7 12:33:33 2007 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:33:33 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> References: <4616A50E.4050906@fybush.com>, <12052.92593.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4616DE23.13955.5CEA9F@joe.attorneyross.com> Message-ID: <4617C7DD.20400@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Vulcan Sports Media? Do they have a nerve-pinching competition? > > Perhaps they are a successor business of General Tire & _Rubber_ Company? Bill O'Neill From dlh@donnahalper.com Sat Apr 7 13:45:05 2007 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:45:05 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.e arthlink.net> References: <8904064.1175937453632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070407174517.8E1B4450F13@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >it was said-- >The Boston ratings published to the general public online >only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've >occasionally seen the further breakdowns right down to >0.0, and stations that people think have "no ratings" >judging by what they see on the public on-line sites >are often actually getting shares from 0.1 to 0.3. And unless I misunderstand, Arbitron still does not rate streaming or on-line listening, which is very popular for progressive talk fans, given the weak signals that the format is generally on. From raccoonradio@mail.com Sat Apr 7 13:56:30 2007 From: raccoonradio@mail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:56:30 -0500 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? Message-ID: <20070407175631.1DE5383985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >>The Boston ratings published to the general public online only show stations which achieve an 0.4 or better. I've heard about "stations getting an asterisk in the ratings" meaning they were too low to be published so they were marked thusly (*)... but, good point. > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: Yes, I think I had said in my post that these stations have either no ratings or "_lackluster_" ratings... something like that. >>I don't think brokered stations are as concerned about their overall ratings as long as the programmers still feel that they have listeners, are getting sponsors for themselves, and continue to pay the stations for the airtime. Yes. As far as language is concerned, by the way, I think WKOX and WXKS run some ads in English. I was scanning the dial and heard an ad in English on one of the Rumba stations then some kind of announcement that said "This traffic report brought to you by..."--followed by an announcer in Spanish. Though I thought he was mentioning what he was going to play rather than giving a traffic report. As the old Wall of Voodoo song "Mexican Radio" said, "No comprende, it's a riddle..." From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 07:29:30 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:29:30 -0400 Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? In-Reply-To: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <009601c7788e$3d0efcb0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: That would be TRL Latino. This countdown started up a couple of years ago when the Reggaton music craze swept the US Hispanic community. The show is popular on Spanish CHR's and English language rhythmic CHR's in heavily hispanic markets. The English/Spanish mix in talkups is by design, as the show targets second and third generation Hispanics 18-34 who are equally versed in both languages. This show is an offshoot of the TRL Weekend Countdown, which MTV has syndicated for several years now. There are mainstream and rhythmic versions of TRL. It's not nearly as popular as Rick Dees or American Top 40 with Ryan Seacrest. At this point I think TRL Latino may have more affiliates than it's mainstream English language counterpart. I think they have affiliage -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 6, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Paul Hopfgarten wrote: > WNNW-800 also runs a Spanish-English hybrid Top 30 show put out by MTV > each > Saturday. Even the DJ will freely mix English and Spanish in her > monologue, > and the 30 hits are about 60/40 English Language > > Paul Hopfgarten > Derry, New Hampshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On > Behalf Of > Laurence Glavin > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:57 PM > To: Larry Weil; 'Bob Nelson'; 'BostonRadio Mailing List' > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Weil" > To: "'Bob Nelson'" , "'BostonRadio Mailing List'" > Subject: RE: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:23:47 -0400 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Nelson >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:48 PM >> To: BostonRadio Mailing List >> Subject: Rumba: no ratings, but ad money? >> >> It was noted that in the latest 12 plus ratings, Rumba 1200 y >> 1430 didn't show up at all. >> Are the ratings books sent out in English only? It my be that Spanish >> speaking people are de-facto excluded from the ratings surveys. >> Larry Weil >> Lake Wobegone, NH > > Two ethic outlets DID show up in the ratings: WUNR-AM 1600 COL > Brookline > and WNNW-AM 800 (1/2 the wavelength of the former) COL Lawrence. WUNR > has > some programs in Creole French, WNNW is almost all Spanish...the only > exception: commercials in English! I think it's a bit strange that > WRCA-AM > 1330 COL Waltham doesn't appear on the list; it has a solid signal > over > the urban area it serves. It's owned by a conglomerate, > Beasley Broadcasting, that owns mainstream outlets elsewhere. Do > you think it might do better than WXKS-AM/WKOX did if they picked up > progressive talk? > > > = > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 13:57:07 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:57:07 -0400 Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG Message-ID: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> It looks like Jim Rome is the odd man out with the move of Mike Felger to 3-6pm on 890 ESPN. To keep ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick on the schedule, WAMG is now running the full three hours of Colin Cowherd 10a-1pm, then Patrick from 1-3. While Rome's show was an acquired taste, I liked it better than either Cowherd or Patrick, neither of whom have much of an edge to them. Rome was a good alternative to WEEI, which I like in the midday but you tend to get the gist of Dale and Holley's four hour show after only 20 minutes of listening. I just took a look at Rome's website and there's nothing on the loss of WAMG mentioned. His affiliate list also includes WNNZ/Springfield which also recently dropped his program when CC LMA'd the station to WFCR. Outside of a handful of stations in Maine, his show is not heard anywhere in New England. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 14:18:54 2007 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG In-Reply-To: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> References: <227bcd93d9bd4d92d66c3b35d814fdf0@charter.net> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0704091118h2e0b9c78o430f0bca408ddf1f@mail.gmail.com> Rome is syndicated by Premiere, I believe...wonder if he may wind up at WWZN somehow though they're prob. committed to running Sporting News Radio shows. On 4/9/07, David Tomm wrote: > It looks like Jim Rome is the odd man out with the move of Mike Felger > to 3-6pm on 890 ESPN. From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 15:31:17 2007 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jim Rome axed at WAMG In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0704091118h2e0b9c78o430f0bca408ddf1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <177176.4143.qm@web58305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > Rome is syndicated by Premiere, I believe...wonder if he may wind up > at WWZN > somehow though they're prob. committed to running Sporting News Radio > shows. Rome is on the Providence sports stations, so he'll still be able to be heard south of the city. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From markwats@comcast.net Mon Apr 9 20:59:53 2007 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:59:53 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension Message-ID: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his suspension. More on the suspension and reaction to the comments can be found here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=IADES&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Mark Watson From fox893@yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 21:07:02 2007 From: fox893@yahoo.com (Cooper Fox) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <271839.45653.qm@web39108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Last I knew, he ran on The Fox in Rutland. --- Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio > & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on > his show last week about > the Rutgers University women's basketball team. > Imus' radio show originates > at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by > Westwood One. WTKK 96.9 > airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live > from his radio studio > from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus > during his suspension. > > More on the suspension and reaction to the > comments can be found here: > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMUS_PROTESTS?SITE=IADES&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT > > Mark Watson > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 21:25:13 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:25:13 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: Just a sniggly point here...Imus actually does his radio show from the MSNBC studios in New Jersey. He moved out of the WFAN studios in Queens a couple of years back, but they remain the radio flagship. The network built him a special set that works better for TV but is still a functioning radio studio. I saw something online awhile ago that said Imus has the number one cable news morning show beating CNN This Morning and Fox & Friends. That may not be saying much in comparison to his radio audience, but still.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week > about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show > originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood > One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from > his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his > suspension. > Mark Watson From radiotony@comcast.net Mon Apr 9 21:39:36 2007 From: radiotony@comcast.net (radiotony) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:39:36 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> Message-ID: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' show. They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things which Imus and his crew have said over the years at this link/ http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 Best, Tony Schinella -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of David Tomm Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:25 PM To: Mark Watson Cc: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension Just a sniggly point here...Imus actually does his radio show from the MSNBC studios in New Jersey. He moved out of the WFAN studios in Queens a couple of years back, but they remain the radio flagship. The network built him a special set that works better for TV but is still a functioning radio studio. I saw something online awhile ago that said Imus has the number one cable news morning show beating CNN This Morning and Fox & Friends. That may not be saying much in comparison to his radio audience, but still.... -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Mark Watson wrote: > Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks from radio & TV starting next > Monday April 16th in the wake of remarks he made on his show last week > about the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus' radio show > originates at WFAN New York and is syndicated nationally by Westwood > One. WTKK 96.9 airs the Imus show in Boston. MSNBC airs Imus live from > his radio studio from 6 to 9 AM. > No mention on what will be airing in place of Imus during his > suspension. > Mark Watson From rickkelly@gmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:41:03 2007 From: rickkelly@gmail.com (Rick Kelly) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:41:03 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: <521b7fd10704091941o3251f50fgd2ff0066f894643d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/9/07, radiotony wrote: > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 What I don't get is why the delay in the suspension... when you suspend someone, don't you do it immediately? Why wait until the beginning of the week? -- -Rick Kelly www.northeastairchecks.com From billings@suscom-maine.net Mon Apr 9 22:55:35 2007 From: billings@suscom-maine.net (Dan Billings) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:55:35 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: Someone needs to explain to FAIR that Imus has made a career out of saying outlandish things. That is what he is paid to do. He want too far this time, but pushing the envelope is what he does. -- Dan Billings, Bowdoinham, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "radiotony" To: "'Boston Radio'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension > Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is > calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' show. > They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things which > Imus > and his crew have said over the years at this link/ > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 From nostaticatall@charter.net Mon Apr 9 23:07:18 2007 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:07:18 -0400 Subject: Don Imus Gets 2 Week Suspension In-Reply-To: <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> References: <001701c77b0b$8d551a90$a6d38018@Mark> <002001c77b11$1b9441f0$52bcc5d0$@net> Message-ID: <8ea45fcb4a9ef67b12ff548707dab405@charter.net> I'm surprised no one has brought up the case of Mark & Brian, longtime morning hosts at classic rocker KLOS in Los Angeles. Several years ago they got into a similar situation when they gave away "little black hoes." They were literally black plastic garden hoes. Obviously the theatre of the mind got way out of control and they wound up getting suspended. They took a week or two off, made numerous apologies, then returned to the air as if nothing happened. My guess is that the same thing will happen with the I-Man. Sharpton's bluster is nothing more than a calculated move to draw attention to his own fledgling talk show syndicated by Radio One to a bunch of low powered AM stations (including WILD) that few people listen to. I'm firmly convinced this whole dustup has nothing to do with drawing attention to racism and everything to do with promotion--during the spring book no less. MSNBC, CBS and Radio One must be loving the publicity. -Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Apr 9, 2007, at 9:39 PM, radiotony wrote: > Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting, a liberal media watchdog group, is > calling on people to call both CBS and MSNBC to complain about Imus' > show. > They have a pretty good overview of some of the outlandish things > which Imus > and his crew have said over the years at this link/ > http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3082 > > Best, > Tony Schinella > > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonR