From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 00:56:19 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:56:19 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... In-Reply-To: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <456F7DB3.6345.A6D3F0@localhost> On 30 Nov 2006 at 17:14, Laurence Glavin wrote: > ...listening to a pair of radio stations swapping call letters and > frequencies at mid-day is your idea of a nooner. And if you tape both of them, that must make you a radio super-Geek. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 00:56:18 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:56:18 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456F1BE5.2080009@fybush.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> Message-ID: <456F7DB2.12936.A6D2C9@localhost> On 30 Nov 2006 at 12:59, Scott Fybush wrote: > There is a conscious effort among many of us in the public radio > community to move away from that style, which is still unfortunately > too much in evidence on some of the national programming. (Robert > Siegel on ATC is a prime offender, who was especially grating the > other day when he was insisting on pronouncing "Muslims" as > "Mooo-slims.") Why is it pretentious to pronounce a word correctly? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 00:51:34 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:51:34 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> Message-ID: <01ff01c7150e$5e7379a0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> > Guess it's a matter of perspecitve...I've always found the public > radio style to be very stiff & pretentious, almost like they're > talking down to you. I find it hard to believe that you've done any recent listening to public radio of late....or maybe you are just relying on anecdotal information for your comment? You find Tom Ashbrook delivery "pretentious"? You feel Bob Oakes is "talking down to you"? Robin Young? Alex Chadwick? Ira Flatow? Terry Gross? Melissa Block? Eric Jackson? Ted O'Brien? I find these people have some of the most "conversational" and natural deliveries of anyone on the radio. Maybe you are simply noticing the lack of some of the macho "bravado" of big voice Gil, Gary, Jensen, Rod Fritz and others. To me, these people are more "pretentious"....(a la Ted Baxter), than todays announcers on public radio. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 00:56:19 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:56:19 -0500 Subject: Bye Bye Boston's Progressive Talk? In-Reply-To: <001601c714d6$9b78f1a0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <456F7DB3.1952.A6D57F@localhost> On 30 Nov 2006 at 18:23, Dan Strassberg wrote: > With 1090, 1200, 1430, and 1510 all on the market, one would think > Boston-market AM prices would be coming down a bit. I could see 1200 > going to some major Hispanic broadcaster for big $$$. But we all know > about the last major Hispanic broadcaster with properties in Boston > and environs. Gee, maybe the prices will come down enough fot Bob Bittner to be able to buy another station. ;-> -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Dec 1 07:52:03 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:52:03 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement In-Reply-To: <456F1BE5.2080009@fybush.com> References: <456E29FD.7000002@ttlc.net> <456E35EB.3060704@fybush.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20061130072953.01ab95a0@grolen.com> <456F1BE5.2080009@fybush.com> Message-ID: <45702573.4010905@billoneill.us> Scott Fybush wrote: > But there are plenty of counter-examples as well; Scott Simon on > Weekend Edition Saturday has a wonderful conversational style, at > least to my ear. And my current "delivery idol" is Kai Ryssdal on > Marketplace, who's as far from stuffy as it gets. > I've listed Scott Simon as among the most listenable on the radio. A moment I can't forget is back after 9/11 when the plan crashed in a neighborhood. Simon is interviewing a firefighter whose family perished. Scott's interview (and understandable emotional release) was as good as it gets. Ryssdal (thanks for the spelling Scott!) has a great natural style. Bill O'Neill From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:27:36 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:27:36 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... In-Reply-To: <456F7DB3.6345.A6D3F0@localhost> References: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <456F7DB3.6345.A6D3F0@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612010627l33a82b4bsdff381a249d92932@mail.gmail.com> >>> And if you tape both of them, that must make you a radio super-Geek. But if I tape both of them for people who like airchecks of them, it makes me a super nice guy :) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:51:14 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:51:14 -0500 Subject: History of WBET site Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612010651le257dc5u5c684e8dc071a4fd@mail.gmail.com> http://www.irishradio.homestead.com/WBET.html WBET, now WBZB 1460 in Brockton (new calls) history site. Similar to what happened with WJDA, the local ownership is gone but the above page will provide you with some memories of the past. Since I grew up on the North Shore, not the South, I wasn't familiar with any of this... From sean.smyth@yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 10:21:16 2006 From: sean.smyth@yahoo.com (Sean Smyth) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:21:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: History of WBET site In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612010651le257dc5u5c684e8dc071a4fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57596.10777.qm@web58307.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Bob Nelson wrote: > WBET, now WBZB 1460 in Brockton (new calls) history site. WBET was sold? When did this happen? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 10:26:17 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:26:17 -0500 Subject: 1200, 1430 details changes (BRW) Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612010726v313f2dc9i925314653d4a0bc9@mail.gmail.com> http://www.bostonradiowatch.com WXKS and WKOX lineup changes in a week, according to Boston Radio Watch: Thom Hartmann is replacing Franken at noon. Ed Schultz will remain at 3 pm even though nationally his show will move to noon ET on 12/11 (Jones will do a refeed). No other changes at this time... From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:58:00 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:58:00 -0500 Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612010858i15d91d8crfe0f53a361e1e43@mail.gmail.com> On WCRB: a final piece by Copland that sounds like a rodeo hoedown (not kidding). On WKLB a bunch of ads, one more announcement about the move, and word that listeners of the Country Cafe on their new freq who call in & get on air will win $102.50... When this flip is done (be patient, it takes awhile to upload), you can find it at: The 102.5 flip, classical to country http://microfurry.250free.com/WKLBSwitch.mp3 The 99.5 flip, country to classical http://microfurry.250free.com/WCRBSwitch.mp3 From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 12:01:48 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:01:48 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612010901g16977f26g13b7d92c89f64576@mail.gmail.com> And here we go. end of Ricochet song pops up on 102.5 "Country Music...102.5 FM" 99.5: :"Thanks for moving with us to our new home on the radio" 102.5: "A newer more powerful signal" 99.5: Hallelujah Chorus 102.5: Country 102.5 jingle From dlh@donnahalper.com Fri Dec 1 13:03:32 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:03:32 -0500 Subject: 1200, 1430 details changes (BRW) In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612010726v313f2dc9i925314653d4a0bc9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <1fbbbced0612010726v313f2dc9i925314653d4a0bc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061201180133.102CE643B42@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 10:26 AM 12/1/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >http://www.bostonradiowatch.com > >WXKS and WKOX lineup changes in a week, according to Boston Radio Watch: >Thom Hartmann is replacing Franken at noon. Ed Schultz will remain at 3 pm >even though nationally his show will move to noon ET on 12/11 (Jones will >do a refeed). No other changes at this time... That is how WHMP and a number of other progressive stations began to program as of a month ago-- they dropped Franken and picked up Hartmann. From mattosborne1976@yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 13:16:56 2006 From: mattosborne1976@yahoo.com (Matthew Osborne) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612010858i15d91d8crfe0f53a361e1e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <567798.20261.qm@web56809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:58:00 Bob Nelson wrote: > When this flip is done (be patient, it takes awhile > to upload), you > can find it at: > The 102.5 flip, classical to country > http://microfurry.250free.com/WKLBSwitch.mp3 > > The 99.5 flip, country to classical > http://microfurry.250free.com/WCRBSwitch.mp3 > Thank you so much for posting. I was trying to listen to the change on WKLB's web stream, but as luck would have it I got called into a meeting with my manager at 11:58 AM and missed the actual switch. Now I can at least hear the changeover Matt Osborne Schenectady, NY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Dec 1 13:23:30 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:23:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: <20061201182330.C9B9046477@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> The WKLB on-air folks sounded positively giddy at the increased coverage they will get. However, both transmitters have the same effective power and the coverage maps at http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKLB&service=FM&status=L&hours=U http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCRB&service=FM&status=L&hours=U show the same areal extent, as far as my eye can see. The Needham transmitter certainly gets more people in Southern NE, but the move to Lowell (and frequency change away from Concord NH's 102.3 station) means _this_ listener now gets WCRB but not WKLB. The first piece played was the Hallelujah Chorus, good choice. I can get 99.5 well enough in my office in mono on my venerable Sony ICF-2010 which turns out to have a really crappy FM tuner. My Saturn's factory car radio is more sensitive! It's nice to have a Classical station I can receive again, even if they have a "Top-40" format. :-) WKLB changed www.wklb.com to have a flash intro showing 99.5 morphing into 102.5; WCRB essentially took down their web site a couple weeks ago. -Ric Werme From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 1 13:33:47 2006 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:33:47 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... References: <20061130221429.C1508164279@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <01d001c71577$4072b7e0$103f9c04@p133> or if you are sad when legacy call letters move, like WTTT Amherst, MA (ok, so it was a localized legacy), WMEX. or when you write programs to plot AM patterns of a single frequency for the whole US, Canada, Mexico, & West Indies. or when you collect old radio magazines from the 20's, 30's, 40's. (like at Brimfield flea markets). or when you calculate coordinates of every place you & your daughter ever live. (the QTH, baby!) or when you p_ss & moan when you can't receive a station's DX test. Bob From madprof@ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 1 13:57:03 2006 From: madprof@ix.netcom.com (Robert F. Sutherland) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:57:03 -0500 Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip References: <1fbbbced0612010858i15d91d8crfe0f53a361e1e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01ee01c7157a$7ddedf20$103f9c04@p133> a VERY decent move of you to tape & digitize the changeovers! but, the WCRBSwitch URL reports "not found".....is it too busy? Bob S. P.S. viewing the Microfurry site: very delightful! ah, I taut I saw a puddytat but (forgive me being a wiseguy) what's it got to do with racoon(radio)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > The 99.5 flip, country to classical > http://microfurry.250free.com/WCRBSwitch.mp3 > From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 1 14:13:11 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:13:11 -0500 Subject: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... Message-ID: <20061201191316.65EBF102CA@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert F. Sutherland" >To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: Re: You Might Be A Radio Geek If... >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:33:47 -0500 >or if you are sad when legacy call letters move, >like WTTT Amherst, MA (ok, so it was a localized legacy), WMEX. >or when you write programs to plot AM patterns of a single frequency >for the whole US, Canada, Mexico, & West Indies. >or when you collect old radio magazines from the 20's, 30's, 40's. >(like at Brimfield flea markets). >or when you calculate coordinates of every place you & your daughter ever >live. >(the QTH, baby!) >or when you p_ss & moan when you can't receive a station's DX test. Or how about this: when I saw Susan Bickelhaupt's name in today's Boston Globe, I knew a misprint couldn't be far away, and voila: among listings for college basketball and college football games on the radio this weekend, two will be on WRCN-AM 830...an error printed twice. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 15:08:39 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:08:39 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... In-Reply-To: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> References: <1fbbbced0612010901g16977f26g13b7d92c89f64576@mail.gmail.com> <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612011208i7795fb39yc8761bd674a72079@mail.gmail.com> I just heard 102.5 say "WCRB-FM Waltham/Boston" (their Greater Media "voice" announcer),,I could swear I heard him say "WCRB" not "WKLB"... There may have been legal IDs 5 or 10 minutes before noon, to cover themselves...I'd have to go to the tapes I did to be sure. > Apparently the call-letter change was approved in time by the FCC. From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 1 14:17:38 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:17:38 -0500 Subject: Gary Lapierre's Replacement Message-ID: <20061201191741.E97861BF603@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don A." >To: bri@bostonradio.org, SteveOrdinetz >Subject: Re: Gary Lapierre's Replacement >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:51:34 -0500 >I find it hard to believe that you've done any recent listening to public >radio of late....or maybe you are just relying on anecdotal information for >your comment? >You find Tom Ashbrook delivery "pretentious"? >You feel Bob Oakes is "talking down to you"? >Robin Young? Alex Chadwick? Ira Flatow? Terry Gross? Melissa Block? Eric >Jackson? Ted O'Brien? Ted O'Brien? He hasn't been heard from on WBUR since long before Jane left. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 15:14:25 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:14:25 -0500 Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip In-Reply-To: <01e201c7157a$3afb7560$103f9c04@p133> References: <1fbbbced0612010858i15d91d8crfe0f53a361e1e43@mail.gmail.com> <01e201c7157a$3afb7560$103f9c04@p133> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612011214r5b9f29aaxd325e0f65fbe3d1e@mail.gmail.com> Maybe the WCRBSwitch one was being uploaded when you accessed it. Try it now. (I'll double check to make sure it made it, but my FTP seemed to show that it was successful.) The "microfurry" site refers to furry (cartoons with anthropomorphic animals), another interest of mine. "Raccoonradio" links that (furry) with radio... My pleasure to post it...I put it on that site but could have put it on the site for WMWM that I run. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 15:58:45 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:58:45 -0500 Subject: Condensed version of WKLB & WCRB switch Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612011258k130b2507x7b7ac6f54508c02d@mail.gmail.com> CONDENSED VERSION of the switch 2 minutes, country to classical http://microfurry.250free.com/Switch995.mp3 3 minutes including about 38 sec of dead air,classical to country http://microfurry.250free.com/Switch1025.mp3 From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 14:44:30 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:44:30 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612010901g16977f26g13b7d92c89f64576@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> On 1 Dec 2006 at 12:01, Bob Nelson wrote: > And here we go. > > end of Ricochet song pops up on 102.5 > "Country Music...102.5 FM" They were playin a countrified version of the National Anthem, and the flip took place just before it ended, so that the word "Brave" was cut off on 99.5 and heard on 102.5. I'm working at home today, partly because I do that now and then and partly to facilitate taping both transitions. Now, I've tried various radios and found that WCRB on 99.5 seems to come in better than WKLB did on 99.5. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be so. I notice the difference particularly on my Sony 2010, which couldn't pick up WKLB 99.5 when I tried it a few days ago. Likewise on my Walkman, on which I couldn't find WKLB a few days ago, but I was able to find WCRB after the switch. The boom-box, which couldn't pick up WKLB a few days ago still can't pick up WCRB 99.5. Then again, I had a lot of trouble tuning it to WCRB 102.5 before. My mother's Panasonic portable, which I bought her in the late 70s or early 80s, could get WCRB 102.5 if the antenna was oriented correctly, and I used it to tape the 102.5 flip. Then I tuned it to 99.5 and found a clear signal no matter how I oriented the antenna. When I get in Monday, I'm looking forward to getting a clear signal in my office on 99.5, without all the constant re-tuning that I've had to do on 102.5. Apparently the call-letter change was approved in time by the FCC. No whispering of the other call letters. WKLB gave a last "WKLB-FM Lowell Boston" ID a few minutes before the flip. WCRB gave a "WCRB Lowell Boston" ID shortly after the flip. Neither WCRB nor WKLB gave a legal ID on 102.5 around noon, before or after the flip. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 1 17:15:33 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: And the flip has happened... In-Reply-To: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> References: <1fbbbced0612010901g16977f26g13b7d92c89f64576@mail.gmail.com> <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> Message-ID: <53498.66.195.169.98.1165011333.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> Not being within listening range of either one, I got to experience the Big Flip through the magic of streaming audio. WCRB's stream was rock-solid, high quality, and very compatible with Firefox. WKLB's was rebuffering on a regular basis, and forced me into IE (and to register for their "Listener Club") to get it at all. Given the vagaries of Internet "propagation," I didn't expect to hear both flips in perfect synch (I was listening to WCRB on my desktop machine and WKLB on the laptop :-), but both hit very close to each other at about 12:02 for me. It was, obviously, impossible for me to tell when the actual frequency shifts happened, since the streams followed the program source for each station, but it was fun to be a part of the action from a distance, at least. (And I downloaded Bob's audio of the over-the-air flips just before I headed into WXXI for the afternoon...many, many thanks for that service!) s From lglavin@mail.com Fri Dec 1 17:51:21 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:51:21 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP Message-ID: <20061201225121.DC5031F5165@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> In an odd coincidence, Richard L. Kaye, longtime Vice President of Charles River Broadcasting, and WCRB when it was a REAL classical music station, died Wednesday, November 29th. He arrived on the scene when the only WCRB that existed was an AM station on 1330 kilocycles (the word they used then). I wouldn't be surprised if he supervised the installation of the horizontal-only FM antenna on one of the WCRB-AM sticks. The Boston Globe had a standard obit yesterday and today; I wouldn't be surprised if Scott has a more detailed one on Monday. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 18:10:22 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:10:22 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... In-Reply-To: <53498.66.195.169.98.1165011333.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> References: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> Message-ID: <4570700E.12074.1363E76@localhost> On 1 Dec 2006 at 17:15, Scott Fybush wrote: > Not being within listening range of either one, I got to experience > the Big Flip through the magic of streaming audio. WCRB's stream was > rock-solid, high quality, and very compatible with Firefox. WKLB's was > rebuffering on a regular basis, and forced me into IE (and to register > for their "Listener Club") to get it at all. Given the vagaries of > Internet "propagation," I didn't expect to hear both flips in perfect > synch (I was listening to WCRB on my desktop machine and WKLB on the > laptop :-), but both hit very close to each other at about 12:02 for > me. It was, obviously, impossible for me to tell when the actual > frequency shifts happened, since the streams followed the program > source for each station, but it was fun to be a part of the action > from a distance, at least. I think it actually happened about a minute before noon. 102.5 had a bit of dead air before the shift. Since I believe all the liners are pre-recorded on WCRB (and maybe on WKLB as well), it's not surprising that this thing didn't take place more smoothly. The people flipping the switches probably weren't monitoring either signal, which is why the WKLB flip took place before the National Anthem finished. Since there was a moment of dead air after the National Anthem, I assume that was when the flip was intended to take place. I also noticed that last night, WCRB started saying that they would be moving to 99.5 "at noon today" about five minutes before midnight, when it wasn't "today" quite yet. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Dec 1 18:16:27 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:16:27 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP In-Reply-To: <20061201225121.DC5031F5165@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061201225121.DC5031F5165@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4570B7CB.4000803@billoneill.us> Laurence Glavin wrote: > In an odd coincidence, Richard L. Kaye, longtime Vice President of Charles River > Broadcasting, and WCRB when it was a REAL classical music station, died Wednesday, > November 29th. I wouldn't be surprised if he supervised the installation of the horizontal-only > FM antenna on one of the WCRB-AM sticks. Way to put "horizontal" and "died" in the same post. Horizontal. I get it. Bill O'Neill From news@southstation.org Fri Dec 1 18:28:59 2006 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:28:59 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP In-Reply-To: <20061201225121.DC5031F5165@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <013701c715a0$7bac2b60$6501a8c0@main> Rest in peace, Richard. I spent many Saturday nights with him and his cohorts at WCLV in Cleaveland on the air. He was my introduction to P.D.Q. Bach and many other comedic artists. He was a true gentleman the times I met him at 'CRB. -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Glavin Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:51 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: R.L.K. RIP In an odd coincidence, Richard L. Kaye, longtime Vice President of Charles River Broadcasting, and WCRB when it was a REAL classical music station, died Wednesday, November 29th. He arrived on the scene when the only WCRB that existed was an AM station on 1330 kilocycles (the word they used then). I wouldn't be surprised if he supervised the installation of the horizontal-only FM antenna on one of the WCRB-AM sticks. The Boston Globe had a standard obit yesterday and today; I wouldn't be surprised if Scott has a more detailed one on Monday. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From news@southstation.org Fri Dec 1 18:31:52 2006 From: news@southstation.org (Larry Lovering) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:31:52 -0500 Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip In-Reply-To: <01ee01c7157a$7ddedf20$103f9c04@p133> Message-ID: <013801c715a0$e18f3d00$6501a8c0@main> After a trip back through the links, I see my old friend Top Cat. When I was a youngster in Stoneham, the eight-year old sister of my friend Cheryl kept asking me which was better; Top Cat or Alvin & The Chipmunks. Only Alvin made it to radio, so it was he I chose. -Larry Lovering -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. Sutherland Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:57 PM To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.BostonRadio.org Subject: Re: The WKLB/WCRB flip a VERY decent move of you to tape & digitize the changeovers! but, the WCRBSwitch URL reports "not found".....is it too busy? Bob S. P.S. viewing the Microfurry site: very delightful! ah, I taut I saw a puddytat but (forgive me being a wiseguy) what's it got to do with racoon(radio)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Nelson" > The 99.5 flip, country to classical > http://microfurry.250free.com/WCRBSwitch.mp3 > From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 18:47:08 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:47:08 -0500 Subject: What about WFCC? Message-ID: <457078AC.26918.157E74C@localhost> In all the talk about the WCRB flip, no one has said anything about WCRB's sister station, WFCC on the cape. What's happened there? Did it get sold with WCRB? Is it still classical? Will it still be classical? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Dec 1 19:02:38 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:02:38 -0500 Subject: What about WFCC? In-Reply-To: <457078AC.26918.157E74C@localhost> References: <457078AC.26918.157E74C@localhost> Message-ID: <17776.49822.652444.258090@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > In all the talk about the WCRB flip, no one has said anything about > WCRB's sister station, WFCC on the cape. What's happened there? Did > it get sold with WCRB? The only thing that has happened thus far with WFCC-FM is that the ownership of license has been transferred from Charles River Broadcasting WFCC License Corp. to Charles River Broadcasting WFCC License, LLC (with the same ultimate shareholders and the same voting interests). CRB filed a consummation notice (now in electronic form) dated November 8. The original pro-forma assignment application contains an interesting list of shareholders; Richard L. Kaye was the largest shareholder after the Jones Trust. -GAWollman From ewerme@comcast.net Fri Dec 1 19:03:32 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:03:32 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:29:28 EST." Message-ID: <20061202000332.630FA48518@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Laurence Glavin wrote: > In an odd coincidence, Richard L. Kaye, longtime Vice President of > Charles River Broadcasting, and WCRB when it was a REAL classical > music station, died Wednesday, November 29th. I lost track of him and his great "WCRB Saturday Night" program after moving out of convenient range of WCRB. I had assumed he had died years ago. I only met him a couple times, once at one of my few visits to Tanglewood for a Crofut and Luxon concert (and a BSO concert). Crofut and Luxon is my all-time favorite find from "Saturday Night." (Bill Crofut died several years ago. He was a folk singer who learned banjo from Pete Seeger, Ben Luxon is an operatic singer. They met in a pub in Germany and found they were both interested in how folk songs changed between England and the colonies.) Larry Lovering will appreciate that I also enjoyed the WCLV connections as I grew up 25 miles east of Cleveland. One of the first WCLV segments included the ads, it was nice hearing some of the old familiar advertisers. Thank you for the post - I would have missed the obit otherwise. -Ric Werme From lorraine6474@usadatanet.net Fri Dec 1 12:09:01 2006 From: lorraine6474@usadatanet.net (Lorraine Smith) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:09:01 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... References: <1fbbbced0612010901g16977f26g13b7d92c89f64576@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c7156b$67bde290$20ea4345@Lorraine> I was looking forward to the National Anthem From w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com Fri Dec 1 18:54:55 2006 From: w1mnk@tampabay.rr.com (Jon Maguire) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:54:55 -0500 Subject: 75 Concord Ave, Lexington Photos Message-ID: <4570C0CF.7070704@tampabay.rr.com> Gee, I was just thinking of my years at WCOP AM/FM at the subject address (70-75). I thought there were some photos around. Any pointers? Thanks to all. Jon in Florida From me@billoneill.us Fri Dec 1 16:55:04 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:55:04 -0500 Subject: And the flip has happened... In-Reply-To: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> References: <45703FCE.1949.79BB86@localhost> Message-ID: <4570A4B8.8060103@billoneill.us> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > Now, I've tried > various radios and found that WCRB on 99.5 seems to come in better > than WKLB did on 99.5. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be > so. Had both stations re-tuned their audio processing prior to the flip? Bill O'Neill From wollman@csail.mit.edu Fri Dec 1 19:10:55 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:10:55 -0500 Subject: 75 Concord Ave, Lexington Photos In-Reply-To: <4570C0CF.7070704@tampabay.rr.com> References: <4570C0CF.7070704@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <17776.50319.205033.487846@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Gee, I was just thinking of my years at WCOP AM/FM at the subject > address (70-75). I thought there were some photos around. Any pointers? > Thanks to all. There are certainly some exterior photos in the Archives photo galleries. I've never been inside, though. (Part of the building is now leased out as office space. I'm not even sure who actually owns the building or the towers these days -- I thought American Tower got them from 1150's brief stint under ARS ownership.) -GAWollman From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 20:15:59 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:15:59 -0500 Subject: What about WFCC? In-Reply-To: <17776.49822.652444.258090@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <457078AC.26918.157E74C@localhost> Message-ID: <45708D7F.10009.1A94482@localhost> On 1 Dec 2006 at 19:02, Garrett Wollman wrote: > The only thing that has happened thus far with WFCC-FM is that the > ownership of license has been transferred from Charles River > Broadcasting WFCC License Corp. to Charles River Broadcasting WFCC > License, LLC (with the same ultimate shareholders and the same voting > interests). CRB filed a consummation notice (now in electronic form) > dated November 8. > > The original pro-forma assignment application contains an interesting > list of shareholders; Richard L. Kaye was the largest shareholder > after the Jones Trust. I guess that means Charles River Broadcasting is still in existence. I wonder why WFCC wasn't sold. For that matter, I still wonder how they managed to sell WCRB without violating the terms of the Jones Trust. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From me@billoneill.us Fri Dec 1 18:08:41 2006 From: me@billoneill.us (Bill O'Neill) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:08:41 -0500 Subject: ScottStream Message-ID: <4570B5F9.4040104@billoneill.us> It was great surfing over to hear our Scott on 1370 WXXI this evening. As Scott reported on a high number of traffic problems in Rochester, it was a stark contrast to what Vermont considers rush hour! Way to go, Scott! Bill O'Neill From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 21:03:45 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:03:45 -0500 Subject: WCRB programming Message-ID: <457098B1.29213.1D50244@localhost> WCRB is now playing Leonard Bernstein's Mass in C. I thought it was part of the "Top 40" program format on WCRB not to play choral work, except for Christmas music, late in December. This isn't the first choral work I've heard on WCRB lately. A few days ago they played Beethoven's 9th Symphony, and the first work played after the shift to 99.5 was Handel's Hallelujah Choris. Could it be that the new owners have changed the formula? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 1 21:45:36 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:45:36 -0500 Subject: WCRB programming In-Reply-To: <457098B1.29213.1D50244@localhost> Message-ID: <4570A280.2486.1FB537C@localhost> On 1 Dec 2006 at 21:03, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > WCRB is now playing Leonard Bernstein's Mass in C. Actually, it's Haydn's Mass in C, directed by Leonard Bernstein. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Sat Dec 2 00:26:44 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:26:44 -0500 Subject: What about WFCC? In-Reply-To: <003d01c715d2$1b5c55a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Message-ID: <4570C844.20749.28EDD64@localhost> On 2 Dec 2006 at 0:24, Dan Strassberg wrote: > Have you yet obtained and read a copy of the trust document? I have > not, but since I am not an attorney, it would not likely be as > meaningful to me as it would be to Joe. However, I thought the trust > required that WCRB maintain a classical-music format for 99 years. > Unless the document required that WCRB remain on 102.5, remain > licensed to Waltham, and/or remain under the ownership of the trust, > wouldn't a classical format on a full Class B FM serving the Boston > market with the call letters WCRB be likely to meet the conditions of > the trust? Perhaps it would, but unless WCRB remains under the ownership of the trust, what is there to prevent Nassau from selling the station or changing its format next year? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From dan.strassberg@att.net Sat Dec 2 00:24:07 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 00:24:07 -0500 Subject: What about WFCC? References: <457078AC.26918.157E74C@localhost> <45708D7F.10009.1A94482@localhost> Message-ID: <003d01c715d2$1b5c55a0$19eefea9@dstrassberg> Have you yet obtained and read a copy of the trust document? I have not, but since I am not an attorney, it would not likely be as meaningful to me as it would be to Joe. However, I thought the trust required that WCRB maintain a classical-music format for 99 years. Unless the document required that WCRB remain on 102.5, remain licensed to Waltham, and/or remain under the ownership of the trust, wouldn't a classical format on a full Class B FM serving the Boston market with the call letters WCRB be likely to meet the conditions of the trust? -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Joseph Ross" To: "Garrett Wollman" Cc: "Boston Radio Interest" Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Re: What about WFCC? > On 1 Dec 2006 at 19:02, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > The only thing that has happened thus far with WFCC-FM is that the > > ownership of license has been transferred from Charles River > > Broadcasting WFCC License Corp. to Charles River Broadcasting WFCC > > License, LLC (with the same ultimate shareholders and the same voting > > interests). CRB filed a consummation notice (now in electronic form) > > dated November 8. > > > > The original pro-forma assignment application contains an interesting > > list of shareholders; Richard L. Kaye was the largest shareholder > > after the Jones Trust. > > I guess that means Charles River Broadcasting is still in existence. > I wonder why WFCC wasn't sold. For that matter, I still wonder how > they managed to sell WCRB without violating the terms of the Jones > Trust. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com > > From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 2 03:45:45 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 03:45:45 -0500 Subject: The WKLB/WCRB flip In-Reply-To: <013801c715a0$e18f3d00$6501a8c0@main> References: <01ee01c7157a$7ddedf20$103f9c04@p133> <013801c715a0$e18f3d00$6501a8c0@main> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612020045g1534efe0u73d01ac54dfa2a34@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Larry Lovering wrote: > After a trip back through the links, I see my old friend Top Cat. Yes--if anything my main radio page should be under raccoonradio.com. It's just using the same website account as my furry site...I can remember days when Ch 38 would sign on in the late afternoon and you'd have the Stooges and then I believe Top Cat reruns at 6 pm... From lwalus@cheerful.com Sat Dec 2 03:14:43 2006 From: lwalus@cheerful.com (Lee Walus) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:14:43 +0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: <20061202081443.71434839A5@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Using a cheap Coby portable receiver, I was unable to pickup WCRB 99.5 at all in Kendall Square Cambridge. This may be due to the tall buildings and intermodulation distortion but perhaps these coverage maps are somewhat misleading. Lee Walus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ric Werme" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:23:30 -0500 (EST) > > > The WKLB on-air folks sounded positively giddy at the increased > coverage they will get. However, both transmitters have the same > effective power and the coverage maps at > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKLB&service=FM&status=L&hours=U > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCRB&service=FM&status=L&hours=U > show the same areal extent, as far as my eye can see. > > The Needham transmitter certainly gets more people in Southern NE, but the > move to Lowell (and frequency change away from Concord NH's 102.3 station) > means _this_ listener now gets WCRB but not WKLB. The first piece > played was the Hallelujah Chorus, good choice. > > I can get 99.5 well enough in my office in mono on my venerable Sony > ICF-2010 which turns out to have a really crappy FM tuner. My > Saturn's factory car radio is more sensitive! > > It's nice to have a Classical station I can receive again, even if they > have a "Top-40" format. :-) > > > WKLB changed www.wklb.com to have a flash intro showing 99.5 morphing > into 102.5; WCRB essentially took down their web site a couple weeks > ago. > > -Ric Werme > From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sat Dec 2 12:43:25 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:43:25 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <20061202081443.71434839A5@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061202081443.71434839A5@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <17777.47933.624993.647496@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > Using a cheap Coby portable receiver, I was unable to pickup WCRB > 99.5 at all in Kendall Square Cambridge. This may be due to the tall > buildings and intermodulation distortion but perhaps these coverage > maps are somewhat misleading. Both stations are full, non-directional class-Bs, so their "for entertainment purposes only" coverage maps should look the same but for the location of the center of the circle. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 2 12:50:49 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:50:49 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP Message-ID: <20061202175049.C1FB71BF965@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ric Werme" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: R.L.K. RIP >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:03:32 -0500 >Thank you for the post - I would have missed the obit otherwise. >-Ric Werme Don't forget to read Scott's "Northeast Radio Watch" on Monday; I'd bet $60 he runs an appreciation. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 2 12:58:21 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:58:21 -0500 Subject: R.L.K. RIP Message-ID: <20061202175821.B4A881BF8F9@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill O'Neill" >To: "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: R.L.K. RIP >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:16:27 -0500 >Laurence Glavin wrote: > In an odd coincidence, Richard L. Kaye, longtime Vice President > of Charles River > Broadcasting, and WCRB when it was a REAL classical music > station, died Wednesday, > November 29th. I wouldn't be surprised if he supervised > the installation of the horizontal-only > FM antenna on one of the WCRB-AM sticks. >Way to put "horizontal" and "died" in the same post. Horizontal. I get it. No no no no no! No pun was intended (for once)! For a few years after WCRB-FM moved its transmitter to the then WBZ-TV tower, those horizontal bays were visible from Route 128 on the AM tower, possibly as an auxiliary antenna... and horizontal bays were the only antenna in use then. I remember some readily visible horizontal bays then: WGHJ-FM 93.7 on a stick next to the WCCM-AM antenna (I often wondered why they didn't attach them to the WCCM tower...it was then a 3-legged self-supporting tower, could just two FM bays have presented too much windload?); the horizontal bays on the flagpole section of the WHAV-AM 1490 tower; the WERS antenna atop 130 Beacon Street. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 2 12:46:20 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:46:20 -0500 Subject: WCRB programming Message-ID: <20061202174621.587301BF952@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "A. Joseph Ross" >To: "Boston Radio Interest" >Subject: Re: WCRB programming >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:45:36 -0500 >On 1 Dec 2006 at 21:03, A. Joseph Ross wrote: > WCRB is now playing Leonard Bernstein's Mass in C. >Actually, it's Haydn's Mass in C, directed by Leonard Bernstein. I wonder if it has anything to do with Richard L. Kaye's funeral... he hosted a program after Boston Symphony broadcasts called "WCRB Saturday Night" (long before "Saturday Night Live" on NBC Television.) He played comedy tracks from various albums and from time to time offered humourous bumper stickers, one of which read "Haydn For The Masses". Even though he was a Jewish gentleman, perhaps he suggested to WCRB "management" if they wanted to recognize him in any way they should play a liturgical choral piece. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From Kaimbridge@gmail.com Sat Dec 2 15:40:08 2006 From: Kaimbridge@gmail.com (Kaimbridge M. GoldChild) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:40:08 +0000 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: And the flip has happened... Message-ID: <4571E4A8.1040006@Gmail.com> Our esteemed legal counselor for the electromagnetic arts and sciences advised, > Apparently the call-letter change was approved in time by > the FCC. > No whispering of the other call letters. WKLB gave a last > "WKLB-FM Lowell Boston" ID a few minutes before the flip. > WCRB gave a "WCRB Lowell Boston" ID shortly after the flip. > Neither WCRB nor WKLB gave a legal ID on 102.5 around noon, > before or after the flip. Well, I queried their FCC files sometime in midday and, clicking their "Call Sign Changes", both had officially changed as of "12/01/2006". Like good, attentive doobies, 99.5 gave a proper "WCRB Lowell-Boston" TOH-ID throughout the remainder of the day. However, 102.5 gave a fast "WCRB-Waltham-Boston" thoughout the afternoon and evening!!! Just for Igo, Harder and Berry (what first name do they have in common? P=), I gave the studio a ring after midnight??at their *NEW* toll-free number: 888-819-1025??and was told that the new ID was pressed into service as of midnight (which I subsequently confirmed: Now it's a semi-fast "WKLB-FM-Waltham-Boston"!). So it seems, yesterday??on-air??there were two WCRBs and no WKLB! P=) ~Kaimbridge~ ----- Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge ***** Void Where Permitted; Limit 0 Per Customer. ***** From lglavin@mail.com Sat Dec 2 16:04:44 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:04:44 -0500 Subject: [B-R-I] Re: And the flip has happened... Message-ID: <20061202210445.07920103E7@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kaimbridge M. GoldChild" >To: Boston-Radio-Interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org >Subject: [B-R-I] Re: And the flip has happened... >Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:40:08 +0000 >Our esteemed legal counselor for the electromagnetic arts >and sciences advised, > Apparently the call-letter change was approved in time by > the FCC. > No whispering of the other call letters. WKLB gave a last > "WKLB-FM Lowell Boston" ID a few minutes before the flip. > WCRB gave a "WCRB Lowell Boston" ID shortly after the flip. > Neither WCRB nor WKLB gave a legal ID on 102.5 around noon, > before or after the flip. >Well, I queried their FCC files sometime in midday and, clicking >their "Call Sign Changes", both had officially changed as of >"12/01/2006". >Like good, attentive doobies, 99.5 gave a proper "WCRB >Lowell-Boston" TOH-ID throughout the remainder of the day. >However, 102.5 gave a fast "WCRB-Waltham-Boston" thoughout the >afternoon and evening!!! Just for Igo, Harder and Berry (what >first name do they have in common? P=), I gave the studio a ring >after midnight??at their *NEW* toll-free number: >888-819-1025??and was told that the new ID was pressed into >service as of midnight (which I subsequently confirmed: Now it's a >semi-fast "WKLB-FM-Waltham-Boston"!). >So it seems, yesterday??on-air??there were two WCRBs and no WKLB! P=) >~Kaimbridge~ >----- >Wikipedia?Contributor Home Page: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaimbridge Youre not the only Wikipedia editor on the board; I corrected the transmitter location for the WKLB entry... it initially read "BostonMassachusetts"...I replaced it with "Newton, Massachusetts". -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 2 17:09:01 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 17:09:01 -0500 Subject: Norm Nathan tribute CD; Jerry's Christmas in Wales Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612021409g75dee313i6bbe770ad827b5c6@mail.gmail.com> Jordan Rich's site is offering a retrospective CD about Norm Nathan at his site. Proceeds benefit the Norm Nathan Jazz Scholarship at the Berklee College of Music: http://jordanrich.com/nathanCD.htm Also, I noticed that the Jerry Williams tribute site has a favorite that he used to do every year. Through digital audio we can still hear it: his reading of A Child's Christmas In Wales. http://www.jerrywilliams.org From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sat Dec 2 17:15:35 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 17:15:35 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <17777.47933.624993.647496@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <20061202081443.71434839A5@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> <17777.47933.624993.647496@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612021415v67d7eb69o70788db9b1416b9a@mail.gmail.com> Just before they flipped to 102.5, someone mentioned to WKLB DJ Carolyn Cruse on air that "hey, you can finally pick up the station now at your house (at the new freq)!" She replied, "That's right!" Her bio at the WKLB site says she lives in Milton. From n1qgs@yahoo.com Sat Dec 2 21:51:51 2006 From: n1qgs@yahoo.com (John Bolduc) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:51:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? AND 102.5 sounds BASSie In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612021415v67d7eb69o70788db9b1416b9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061203025152.37861.qmail@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I guess it's not picket fencing on the way home, as the average speed during that part of the commute is less than 10 mph. That means I occasionally sit in a very hashy reception spot while creeping with the traffic. My bigger concern is that 102.5 WKLB seems to favor lower frequency BASS rather than a country music higher frequency bias TREBLE. Is it possible the processing and/or transmitter equipment is still geared towards classical music ? John B Derry NH ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Dec 3 15:38:55 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:38:55 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: > From: "Lee Walus" > To: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:14:43 +0500 > Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? > > Using a cheap Coby portable receiver, I was unable to pickup WCRB > 99.5 at all in Kendall Square Cambridge. This may be due to the > tall buildings and intermodulation distortion but perhaps these > coverage maps are somewhat misleading. The coverage maps display the (approximate) range of the signal itself without taking into account external factors such as other stations that may interfere with it in certain areas. If the Prudential building didn't exist, you'd have no problem picking up 99.5 in Kendall Square. The map is correct that the signal is present in that area. However, it's being covered up in your receiver by intermodulation from the seven Class B's directly across the river on the Pru causing receiver overload and a blanking effect of other signals from other locations. On the Pru are WBOS, WTKK, WZLX, WBCN, WROR, WMJX, WXKS-FM. On a cheap Coby portable, or most any portable, Walkman style radio, or "boom-box" in the Kendall Square/MIT area, you'd be lucky to hear anything besides the stations on the Pru and MIT college station WMBR, and perhaps the three stations over at One Financial Place (WERS, WHRB, WFNX) may cut through a bit due to proximity. I'd be surprised if you could've gotten a clean, consistent signal on 102.5 on a portable in Kendall Square, or of any of the FM-128 stations. I've always found 102.5, as well as WODS 103.3, to be very tough catches on Walkmans in that area, as they are usually covered up by a layered effect of Prudential stations. The others from FM-128, WBUR, WJMN, and WBMX seem to do slightly better there, perhaps the Pru intermod isn't quite as concentrated on their parts of the dial, but not much better. Of course, quality tuners such as most modern car stereos can cope much better with this problem, and may still be able to receive the stations in this area that a portable can't get. On my digital-tuning JVC car stereo I find 99.5 to come in with only slight picket-fencing in that area, but on my Sony Walkman, it doesn't exist. I get a pig-pile of Pru stations. Eli Polonsky From joe@attorneyross.com Sun Dec 3 14:33:31 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 14:33:31 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <20061202081443.71434839A5@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4572E03B.25071.7DE46E@localhost> On 2 Dec 2006 at 13:14, Lee Walus wrote: > Using a cheap Coby portable receiver, I was unable to pickup WCRB 99.5 > at all in Kendall Square Cambridge. This may be due to the tall > buildings and intermodulation distortion but perhaps these coverage > maps are somewhat misleading. Yesterday I drove out to Amherst for the UMass-New Hampshire football game and noted that WCRB 99.5 was a clear signal past Worcester. It started to break up around Sturbridge and was unuseable by the time I reached the Route 84 exit. WKLB 102.5 continued to be listenable awhile longer. It started to breakup at the first Brimfield border- crossing and was gone by the time I hit the Palmer line. I didn't hear any legal ID at all on WKLB either around the noon or the 1:00 hour. Maybe a hastily-whispered ID just didn't come through. Just before the switch, they ID'd clearly as "WKLB-FM Lowell-Boston" I don't know why they shouldn't be just as open about IDing as "WKLB-FM Waltham-Boston." Yesterday morning, before I left, I saw another TV ad about the switch. This time, Keith Lockhart said that WCRB "has moved" as he picked up the Bose radio and moved it. This was followed by the Hallelujah Chorus -- appropriate, since that was also the first piece played by WCRB on 99.5. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From stephanie@gordsven.com Sun Dec 3 17:12:25 2006 From: stephanie@gordsven.com (Stephanie Weil) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:12:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1439.66.65.49.10.1165183945.squirrel@gordsven.com> On Sun, December 3, 2006 15:38, Eli Polonsky wrote: I find 99.5 to come in > with only slight picket-fencing in that area, but on my Sony > Walkman, it doesn't exist. I get a pig-pile of Pru stations. Why haven't all the FM stations in Boston moved to the top of the Pru (or the Hancock building)? I've experienced that mish-mash hash when I'm in that part of town also steph From jjlehmann@comcast.net Sun Dec 3 16:41:20 2006 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:41:20 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <4572E03B.25071.7DE46E@localhost> Message-ID: <006601c71723$c5ba8ce0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> WKLB has been IDing between commercials before the top of the hour, usually around :55. They've been doing this for the past couple years on 99.5, and continue to do the same on 102.5. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf > Of A. Joseph Ross > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:34 PM > To: Lee Walus > Cc: boston Radio Interest > Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? > > On 2 Dec 2006 at 13:14, Lee Walus wrote: > > > Using a cheap Coby portable receiver, I was unable to pickup WCRB 99.5 > > at all in Kendall Square Cambridge. This may be due to the tall > > buildings and intermodulation distortion but perhaps these coverage > > maps are somewhat misleading. > > Yesterday I drove out to Amherst for the UMass-New Hampshire football > game and noted that WCRB 99.5 was a clear signal past Worcester. It > started to break up around Sturbridge and was unuseable by the time I > reached the Route 84 exit. WKLB 102.5 continued to be listenable > awhile longer. It started to breakup at the first Brimfield border- > crossing and was gone by the time I hit the Palmer line. > > I didn't hear any legal ID at all on WKLB either around the noon or > the 1:00 hour. Maybe a hastily-whispered ID just didn't come > through. Just before the switch, they ID'd clearly as "WKLB-FM > Lowell-Boston" I don't know why they shouldn't be just as open about > IDing as "WKLB-FM Waltham-Boston." > > Yesterday morning, before I left, I saw another TV ad about the > switch. This time, Keith Lockhart said that WCRB "has moved" as he > picked up the Bose radio and moved it. This was followed by the > Hallelujah Chorus -- appropriate, since that was also the first piece > played by WCRB on 99.5. > > -- > A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 > 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 > Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 17:40:58 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:40:58 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <006601c71723$c5ba8ce0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> References: <4572E03B.25071.7DE46E@localhost> <006601c71723$c5ba8ce0$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612031440y15b2de90u8afb866f6656572e@mail.gmail.com> I was at a breakfast/lunch restaurant today and they had a TV playing CNN. After some kind of feature they put up a slide, "Brought to you by Boston's Classical Station WCRB 99.5". Got it right! If you drive into parts of NH, it's not uncommon to hear classical music on a 99.5... doesn't NH Public Radio have a signal up there in Jackson? As for WKLB: A week or two ago I was in Nashua/Derry/Windham NH and the 102.5 signal was pretty solid though of course once you get near the 102.3 in the Concord area you'd have some trouble picking them up but there's always WOKQ etc From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Dec 3 19:51:12 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:51:12 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: --- Stephanie Weil wrote: > Why haven't all the FM stations in Boston moved to the top of > the Pru (or the Hancock building)? I'd imagine they all would if the FCC would allow them to, but I'm sure there are various potential interference issues that prevent the FCC from allowing them to move, that would result in a situation even worse than what has already been allowed. There are also individual issues with each station due to co- channel and first and second adjacent stations outside of the immediate Boston area that would be too close to the Pru, but just far enough from Newton, or Andover, or Peabody, etc... wherever they're transmitting from now. For example, moving 99.5 to the Pru would probably put it too close to second-adjacent 99.1 WPLM Plymouth, first-adjacent WSKO Wakefield RI and maybe second-adjacent WQRC 99.9 Hyannis. Also, I've heard that the Hancock hasn't allowed any full power transmitters on the roof since a WHUE-FM (now WZLX) transmitter caught fire there in 1982, although they did allow a low-power ten-watt WFNX repeater on 101.3 until it was discontinued when WFNX moved their main transmitter to One Financial last year. Eli Polonsky From mamros@MIT.EDU Sun Dec 3 20:43:26 2006 From: mamros@MIT.EDU (Shawn Mamros) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:43:26 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:51:12 EST." Message-ID: <200612040143.kB41hQeR025959@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> >For example, moving 99.5 to the Pru would probably put it too >close to second-adjacent 99.1 WPLM Plymouth, first-adjacent >WSKO Wakefield RI and maybe second-adjacent WQRC 99.9 Hyannis. For that matter, what about 102.5? Now that Greater Media controls that signal, you'd think they'd have a big incentive to have WKLB be co-located with most (all?) of their other FMs here. Can anyone think of a co-channel or adjacent station that would block a move of 102.5 to the Pru? (Being licensed to Waltham shouldn't be an issue, since "Framingham's" WROR is on the Pru...) -Shawn Mamros E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu From scott@fybush.com Sun Dec 3 21:39:07 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <200612040143.kB41hQeR025959@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> References: <200612040143.kB41hQeR025959@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> Message-ID: <45738A4B.2020105@fybush.com> Shawn Mamros wrote: >> For example, moving 99.5 to the Pru would probably put it too >> close to second-adjacent 99.1 WPLM Plymouth, first-adjacent >> WSKO Wakefield RI and maybe second-adjacent WQRC 99.9 Hyannis. > > For that matter, what about 102.5? Now that Greater Media controls > that signal, you'd think they'd have a big incentive to have WKLB > be co-located with most (all?) of their other FMs here. Can anyone > think of a co-channel or adjacent station that would block a move > of 102.5 to the Pru? (Being licensed to Waltham shouldn't be an issue, > since "Framingham's" WROR is on the Pru...) > > WCRB has two problems blocking it from a Pru move. The first, which is entirely insurmountable, is its IF spacing to WUMB, 10.6 MHz down the dial. The FCC has strict spacing rules for stations 10.6 and 10.8 MHz apart, and I believe WCRB at FM128 is already short to WUMB. There is no way to use a directional antenna or terrain-based short-spacing to overcome an IF spacing issue. (Oddly, I note that WCRB co-existed for many years with another Waltham station 10.8 MHz down the dial, WBRS at 91.7. I wonder if anyone near the Brandeis campus ever had trouble with WCRB reception as a result?) I believe WCRB would also be short-spaced to WCDJ 102.3 in Truro if it moved to the Pru, but I'm not certain of that and am away from my usual reference materials. s From wollman@csail.mit.edu Sun Dec 3 22:19:19 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:19:19 -0500 Subject: Construction underway on Saw Mill Brook Pkwy. Message-ID: <17779.37815.44059.863211@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> I had some time to kill between getting my car serviced and going to dinner, so I stopped by the WUNR transmitter site in Oak Hill, Newton. There are now substantial signs of work. There is a construction trailer in the driveway, and there is earth-moving equipment behind the building. The tower work is being done by Northeast Towers (who put up a big sign out front with safety placards), and the building permit was issued on September 6th. This permit does not include the work on the building itself; I don't know where that fits relative to the tower construction, or why it was delayed for so long. -GAWollman From elipolo@earthlink.net Sun Dec 3 22:54:18 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:54:18 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: --- Scott Fybush wrote: > (Oddly, I note that WCRB co-existed for many years with another > Waltham station 10.8 MHz down the dial, WBRS at 91.7. I wonder > if anyone near the Brandeis campus ever had trouble with WCRB > reception as a result?) Since WBRS has only ever been Class D and 102.5 is very strong in that area due to proximity just a few miles line of sight to Newton, I've never heard of anyone having trouble getting the former WCRB there, and I've been in that area often myself. However, WCRB is one of a number of issues that had always prevented WBRS from being granted a power increase on 91.7. Then they were forced to move to 100.1, but still as a Class D. There were reportedly other internal issues over the years, on and off-air violations, etc... that resulted in the FCC's perception of WBRS not to be in the best of light, which is unfortunate because, despite a prevalent level of amateurism at times, there always have been some people doing quality programming there as well. > I believe WCRB would also be short-spaced to WCDJ 102.3 > in Truro if it moved to the Pru... I was thinking of that too, but I wasn't sure. It's 340 watts, and I've heard that it may not even be on the air at this time, or has been only sporadically. But, that doesn't affect the fact that it would still be protected as long as it's an active license. EP From dan.strassberg@att.net Mon Dec 4 01:03:08 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:03:08 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? References: Message-ID: <001e01c71769$e56bca40$19eefea9@dstrassberg> An interesting question is whether WCDJ is the reason that 102.5 uses slightly less power than another station (WJMN?) that shares the same multiplexed antenna on the FM-128 tower. One member of this list periodicially posts to that effect but I am not sure that he is correct. As best I can tell, however, the power difference (8.1 kW ERP for 102.5 vs--I believe--8.3 kW for the other station) might be explained by WCRB's forced move from the Channel 4 tower to FM-128, which might have necessitated a reduction from the grandfathered equivalent power that 102.5 used from the Needham tower (equivalent to 50 kW at 500' HAAT) to the new Class B equivalent power (equivalent to 50 kW at 150m HAAT; 150m is only 492'). The slightly shorter distance from FM-128 to Truro might also explain the power difference, but I've never been able to confirm that that IS the reason. If the shorter spacing is the reason--or if short spacing to 102.3 in NH is the reason--I would think that Greater Media might now be willing to pay for the installation of directional antennas at either or both of these first-adjacent stations. Compared with the $100+ million that GM reportedly paid for the 102.5 signal, the cost of a couple of DAs would be chump change. -- Dan Strassberg, dan.strassberg@att.net eFax 707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Polonsky" To: "Boston Radio" Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? > > --- Scott Fybush wrote: > > > (Oddly, I note that WCRB co-existed for many years with another > > Waltham station 10.8 MHz down the dial, WBRS at 91.7. I wonder > > if anyone near the Brandeis campus ever had trouble with WCRB > > reception as a result?) > > Since WBRS has only ever been Class D and 102.5 is very strong > in that area due to proximity just a few miles line of sight to > Newton, I've never heard of anyone having trouble getting the > former WCRB there, and I've been in that area often myself. > > However, WCRB is one of a number of issues that had always > prevented WBRS from being granted a power increase on 91.7. > > Then they were forced to move to 100.1, but still as a Class > D. There were reportedly other internal issues over the years, > on and off-air violations, etc... that resulted in the FCC's > perception of WBRS not to be in the best of light, which is > unfortunate because, despite a prevalent level of amateurism > at times, there always have been some people doing quality > programming there as well. > > > I believe WCRB would also be short-spaced to WCDJ 102.3 > > in Truro if it moved to the Pru... > > I was thinking of that too, but I wasn't sure. It's 340 > watts, and I've heard that it may not even be on the air > at this time, or has been only sporadically. But, that > doesn't affect the fact that it would still be protected > as long as it's an active license. > > EP > From paul@derrynh.net Mon Dec 4 07:15:50 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:15:50 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612031440y15b2de90u8afb866f6656572e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00be01c7179d$f055d610$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> 102.3 (WWHK) begins to interfere with 102.5 in the Northern 1/2 of Manchester. Once past the Hooksett Tolls, the bleed all but wipes out 102.5 Now, except for the "dip" in 93 at the Bow-Concord line, 99.5 can be heard reasonably well almost to the Lakes Region on 93 and to the Warner area heading North(west) on 89. NHPR doesn't play much music (though you are correct that they have a full-serve signal at 99.5 in Jackson) -Paul Hopfgarten Derry -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:41 PM To: Jeff Lehmann; boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? I was at a breakfast/lunch restaurant today and they had a TV playing CNN. After some kind of feature they put up a slide, "Brought to you by Boston's Classical Station WCRB 99.5". Got it right! If you drive into parts of NH, it's not uncommon to hear classical music on a 99.5... doesn't NH Public Radio have a signal up there in Jackson? As for WKLB: A week or two ago I was in Nashua/Derry/Windham NH and the 102.5 signal was pretty solid though of course once you get near the 102.3 in the Concord area you'd have some trouble picking them up but there's always WOKQ etc From paul@derrynh.net Mon Dec 4 07:20:00 2006 From: paul@derrynh.net (Paul Hopfgarten) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:20:00 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00bf01c7179e$856970e0$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Wouldn't the issue for 99.5 actually be that it couldn't put a city grade signal into Lowell if the TX was at the pru. (The reason 93.7 can come no closer than Peabody with it's TX, to keep a COL signal into Lawrence) What I don't understand is why these stations would follow the 107.3 example (Moving COL from Worcester to Westborough) and move the COL as tight into Boston as engineering could allow.... -Paul Hopfgarten Derry NH -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Eli Polonsky Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:51 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? --- Stephanie Weil wrote: > Why haven't all the FM stations in Boston moved to the top of > the Pru (or the Hancock building)? For example, moving 99.5 to the Pru would probably put it too close to second-adjacent 99.1 WPLM Plymouth, first-adjacent WSKO Wakefield RI and maybe second-adjacent WQRC 99.9 Hyannis. Eli Polonsky From raccoonradio@gmail.com Mon Dec 4 10:38:06 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:38:06 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: <00be01c7179d$f055d610$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> References: <1fbbbced0612031440y15b2de90u8afb866f6656572e@mail.gmail.com> <00be01c7179d$f055d610$0202a8c0@YOURF7ED5FB036> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612040738w65fb0b09od1a3f9d73600b82f@mail.gmail.com> >>NHPR doesn't play much music (though you are correct that they have a full-serve signal at 99.5 in Jackson) Right--I had heard them doing some classical while driving in that part of N.H.,(at one of the times they were in music mode) and they ID'd as part of NHPR; WEVJ, Jackson. From ewerme@comcast.net Mon Dec 4 11:43:43 2006 From: ewerme@comcast.net (Ric Werme) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:43:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: <20061204164343.CEAA3485C0@c-24-128-108-153.hsd1.nh.comcast.net> > If you drive into parts of NH, it's not uncommon to hear classical > music on a 99.5... True, as of late last week.... > doesn't NH Public Radio have a signal up there in Jackson? And everywhere else! From www.nhpr.org: # 88.3, Nashua, WEVS # 89.1, Concord, WEVO # 90.3, Nashua, WEVO # 90.7, Keene, WEVN # 91.3, Littleton, WEVO # 91.3, Hanover, WEVH # 97.3, Plymouth # 99.5, Jackson, WEVJ # 103.9, Portsmouth # 104.3, Dover, WEVO # 107.1, Gorham, WEVC However, the only music programs they have are a few non-classical programs mainly weekend nights. WEVO has long had a repeater in Nashua, a year or two ago they managed to find another frequency. I thought they were going to shut down the first repeater, but I guess not. I'm not sure who benefits from them, 89.1 is usually the strongest signal on the highway in Nashua. > As for WKLB: A week or two ago I was in Nashua/Derry/Windham NH and > the 102.5 signal was pretty solid though of course once you get near > the 102.3 in the Concord area > you'd have some trouble picking them up but there's always WOKQ etc One thing I would do was listen to WCRB 102.5 through the Hooksett tolls between Manchester and Concord, then switch to WCNH-LPFM a few miles later. WCNH came on the air a couple years ago to bring classical music back to Concord (a lot of WEVO supporters are still mad at them for going essentially all-talk). Unfortunately, WCNH braodcasts at 94.7, one channel away from the 900 pound gorilla WHOM at 94.9. WCNH's signal gets lost by the time it gets to Penaook where I live, about 8-10 miles from the transmitter. See http://www.wcnh.org/coverage.asp for more. A lot of their programming is from the "Beethoven Satellite Network", from WFMT in Chicago with Peter Van de Graff, a fine name in radio interference! :-) -Ric Werme From dlh@donnahalper.com Mon Dec 4 13:00:55 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:00:55 -0500 Subject: up date of WBZ website In-Reply-To: <000501c70046$4f681380$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> References: <030401c70041$f162b280$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <000501c70046$4f681380$3c9e05cf@yourm3vezyx8af> Message-ID: <20061204180108.E59F044C117@relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com> I have been asked to do an update of the WBZ history on their website, which hadn't really been done since Scott and I began working on it in 1996-- and I know a lot has happened since then! If anyone knows somebody or something that has been omitted (I'm obviously gonna work on the past decade, plus I want to do a tribute to David Brudnoy), feel free to mention it so I can make sure this time, it's perfect... or reasonably perfect... From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 4 14:45:03 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:45:03 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: --- Aaron Read wrote: > But that IF spacing is the reason why the FCC denied WBRS's > attempts to become a Class A and still remain on 91.7FM. > Having spoken with FCC officials, that was the only reason > why they were denied on 91.7FM. > > I imagine it's possible that had the 91.7FM 100 watt move been > tried today it might've been approved b/c engineers have access > to far more accurate signal plotting software that just didn't > exist back in the early 1980's. So it's possible that software > could've demonstrated the IF interference would've remained > minimal. Perhaps the 102.5 RF issue could have been overcome today, but you would have had to contend with the crafty Pat Montieth at WUMB. Although Waltham and surrounding communities are outside the protected first-adjacent coverage area of her main Quincy transmitter at 91.9, she would have spared no expense fighting you tooth and nail on many fronts, and even if she didn't have a leg to stand on from a technical perspective, she would have managed to prevail somehow, and have blocked your application. From lglavin@mail.com Mon Dec 4 15:45:00 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:45:00 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: <20061204204503.311D51F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Strassberg" >To: "Eli Polonsky" , "Boston Radio" , "Garrett Wollman" , "Scott Fybush" >Subject: Re: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 01:03:08 -0500 >An interesting question is whether WCDJ is the reason that 102.5 uses >slightly less power than another station (WJMN?) that shares the same >multiplexed antenna on the FM-128 tower. One member of this list >periodicially posts to that effect but I am not sure that he is correct. As >best I can tell, however, the power difference (8.1 kW ERP for 102.5 vs--I >believe--8.3 kW for the other station) might be explained by WCRB's >forced move from the Channel 4 tower to FM-128, which might have >necessitated a reduction from the grandfathered equivalent power that 102.5 >used from the Needham tower (equivalent to 50 kW at 500' HAAT) to the new >Class B equivalent power (equivalent to 50 kW at 150m HAAT; 150m is only >492'). No, the "other station" to which I referred was WBOS 92.9 when its MAIN transmitter utilized the Route 128 tower. I'm quite sure it ran 8,800 watts from the antenna located on the pole above the tower structure. That figure sticks in my memory bank because I recall being a bit surprised that WCRB's CP after they were banished from the WBZ-TV tower called for 8,100 watts. I surmised it was due to the 102.3 unbuilt CP in Truro, ALTHOUGH WBCN was operating with a full-power non-directional antenna atop the Pru while WOCN-FM 103.9 was also on-the-air from a tower in Harwich! I believe, for some reason, WJMN has even more power higher up according to fcc.gov: 9,200 watts at 353 meters. And since a year ago October, one antenna on the pole no longer exists...but the FCC's website still lists facilities as if it did. Then again, it lists WSMN-AM 1590 as 5,000 watts DA-1. Go figure. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From Joe@attorneyross.com Mon Dec 4 15:56:15 2006 From: Joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:56:15 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4574451F.4653.8EBC47@localhost> Well, now that I've had a chance to monitor this from my office, it's clear: The 99.5 signal is much cleaner, without all the interference that I was experiencing with 102.5. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax: 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From elipolo@earthlink.net Mon Dec 4 16:37:27 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:37:27 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? Message-ID: -- Aaron Read wrote: > 91.5 and 91.7 are terrible frequencies to be on around here > anyways...way too crowded. Even though WBRS gets dopeslapped > by WWFX to the west, they've got a nice clear spectrum on > 100.1 to the east...so you can ever hear them in Boston with > a good radio. 100.1 is better than what became of 91.7 for WBRS for sure, but since WWFX increased power in the late 1990's I find that anywhere east of about Allston or Watertown where WBRS signal weakens, that the WWFX signal just about matches theirs. I get WBRS solid through Newton, Watertown, Brighton, Allston, but in Boston (and it's inner urban neighborhoods), Cambridge, and Somerville right out to the water I get a picket fencing effect in the car of both WBRS and WWFX alternating. At my apartment in Somerville I get WBRS or WWFX with equal strength depending on my antenna orientation. I can null out one to get the other (odd considering that they're both west of me). WBRS WAS better on 91.7 many decades ago. I remember when they started out in 1968 with no other significant signals on that or adjacent frequencies. U Mass Lowell, then Lowell Tech, may have had WLTI 91.5 at much lower power than the present WUML, but that didn't get within Route 128. WMFO, WMLN, WUMB and WMWM did not yet exist. 91.9 was the ten-watt WHSR Winchester High School Radio, which became a WUMB casualty a decade and a half later. WBRS could be heard clearly and steadily all over greater Boston, then it gradually began getting hemmed in. Class D WRBB came on at Northeastern at 91.7 (now 104.9) in 1970, blocking WBRS out of downtown. WMFO came on around that time as well, WMLN a few years later, WLTI increased, then WUMB came on in 1982. WBRS was toast on 91.7 after that. EP From wollman@csail.mit.edu Mon Dec 4 16:39:49 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:39:49 -0500 Subject: Coverage - 99.5 vs. 102.5 which is "better"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17780.38309.987230.578468@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < said: > 91.9 was the ten-watt WHSR Winchester High School Radio, which > became a WUMB casualty a decade and a half later. A few years ago, we heard from Pat Monteith about this. She said, on her honor, that WUMB-FM did not bump Winchester -- Boston's protected contour doesn't reach far enough to have killed WHSR. -GAWollman From lglavin@mail.com Tue Dec 5 17:00:53 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:00:53 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming Message-ID: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> I just got an e-mail from WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM offering me an opportunity to vote on whom I'd like to hear from noon-till-3 pm: Ed Schultz; Thom HartmannThom Hartmann; or Al Franken. I chose Thom HartmannThom Hartmann because I don't care for Ed Schultz and I believe Al Franken will pull a Jerry Springer (no he will not dance on TV) and leave radio for new ventures. The e-mail provided a click through for the Discussion Board which had current entries, although one cannot access it directly through bostonsprogressivetalk.com. -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From aerie.ma@comcast.net Tue Dec 5 17:31:29 2006 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:31:29 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200612052231.kB5MVNHT018651@rolinin.bostonradio.org> The link to the discussion board from their main page is gone, but you can still access it from the "Contact" link button. "The e-mail provided a click through for the Discussion Board which had current entries, although one cannot access it directly through bostonsprogressivetalk.com." From markwats@comcast.net Tue Dec 5 19:02:34 2006 From: markwats@comcast.net (Mark Watson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:02:34 -0500 Subject: Staff Cuts At Kiss 108 & JAM'N 94.5 Message-ID: <003d01c718c9$d587ac00$9447da18@Mark> Today's (12/5) Boston Herald reports that Clear Channel has cut 5 staffers at WXKS-FM (Kiss 108) and WJMN (JAM'N 94.5). Kiss 108 midday host Deirdre Dagata, JAM'N 94.5 staffers let go include night host Maverik, Hustle Simmons, mix show host Roy Barboza and production director Doug MacAskill. The report also states that the midday slots on both Kiss & JAM'N will be filled by hosts who will be "importing" their shows from New York & Los Angeles. I guess "importing" must be the new and politically correct term for "voicetracking". Here's a link to the Herald story: http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=170514 Voicetracked, oops, "imported" midday shifts on 2 top rated Boston stations. I believe they both have had voicetracked overnights for a while now. Will they voicetrack/import more shifts down the road? Mark Watson From marklaurence@mac.com Wed Dec 6 00:08:52 2006 From: marklaurence@mac.com (Mark Laurence) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:08:52 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <900C3FE7-2937-4639-B8B4-D1EC86ED70F9@mac.com> On Dec 5, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I just got an e-mail from WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM offering me an > opportunity to > vote on whom I'd like to hear from noon-till-3 pm: Ed Schultz; > Thom HartmannThom Hartmann; or Al Franken. That doesn't sound like a station ready to pull the plug and switch to brokered programming. But of course in radioland, far more irrational things have happened. Mark From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 6 00:33:11 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:11 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <900C3FE7-2937-4639-B8B4-D1EC86ED70F9@mac.com> References: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <900C3FE7-2937-4639-B8B4-D1EC86ED70F9@mac.com> Message-ID: <20061206053312.6A8C344C12C@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> >Mark wrote-- >That doesn't sound like a station ready to pull the plug and switch >to brokered programming. But of course in radioland, far more >irrational things have happened. I assume they are keeping things as "normal" as possible during the month, so they can get whatever advertising business is still out there. But they've already announced the LA station which is also owned by CC and is also changing will be going Spanish... From joe@attorneyross.com Wed Dec 6 01:14:12 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:14:12 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45761964.29713.5C756F@localhost> On 5 Dec 2006 at 17:00, Laurence Glavin wrote: > I just got an e-mail from WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM offering me an opportunity > to vote on whom I'd like to hear from noon-till-3 pm: Ed Schultz; > Thom HartmannThom Hartmann; or Al Franken. I chose Thom HartmannThom > Hartmann because I don't care for Ed Schultz and I believe Al Franken > will pull a Jerry Springer (no he will not dance on TV) and leave > radio for new ventures. The e-mail provided a click through for the > Discussion Board which had current entries, although one cannot access > it directly through bostonsprogressivetalk.com. Why would they be doing this if they're planning to kill the format in a couple of weeks? -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 6 03:17:31 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 03:17:31 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061206053312.6A8C344C12C@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> References: <20061205220054.5B90B478081@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <900C3FE7-2937-4639-B8B4-D1EC86ED70F9@mac.com> <20061206053312.6A8C344C12C@relay1.r1.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612060017o284f75a0p6f589f9990f7514c@mail.gmail.com> Meanwhile Boston Radio Watch reports that the black talk network is back on WILD, and WTKK's secondary HD channel has switched from classical to Irish music. (By the way I have sampled WKLB's HD-2 channel, classic country, via the website--not bad but they need more 50s and 60s...) http://www.bostonradiowatch.com From brian_vita@cssinc.com Wed Dec 6 10:09:13 2006 From: brian_vita@cssinc.com (Brian Vita) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:09:13 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <45761964.29713.5C756F@localhost> References: <45761964.29713.5C756F@localhost> Message-ID: <4576DD19.5070506@cssinc.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > On 5 Dec 2006 at 17:00, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > >> I just got an e-mail from WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM offering me an opportunity >> to vote on whom I'd like to hear from noon-till-3 pm: Ed Schultz; >> Thom HartmannThom Hartmann; or Al Franken. I chose Thom HartmannThom >> Hartmann because I don't care for Ed Schultz and I believe Al Franken >> will pull a Jerry Springer (no he will not dance on TV) and leave >> radio for new ventures. The e-mail provided a click through for the >> Discussion Board which had current entries, although one cannot access >> it directly through bostonsprogressivetalk.com. >> > > Why would they be doing this if they're planning to kill the format > in a couple of weeks? > > I would assume that promotions like this are set up weeks in advance to put the mechanisms in place. It could simply be that the machine was prepaid and is dutifully rolling on as previously instructed. Its kind of like the theory that answering machines will still exist after human life ends. Brian From lglavin@mail.com Wed Dec 6 13:18:20 2006 From: lglavin@mail.com (Laurence Glavin) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:18:20 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming Message-ID: <20061206181821.4EA2D1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Halper" >To: "Mark Laurence" , "Laurence Glavin" >Subject: Re: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:11 >I assume they are keeping things as "normal" as possible during the >month, so they can get whatever advertising business is still out >there. But they've already announced the LA station which is also >owned by CC and is also changing will be going Spanish... Holy crap, Batman...that's the flagship station of the "Stephanie Miller Show"! -- Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 6 13:23:31 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:23:31 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061206181821.4EA2D1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061206181821.4EA2D1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20061206182332.4ACBC645AF4@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 01:18 PM 12/6/2006, Laurence Glavin wrote: >Holy crap, Batman...that's the flagship station of the >"Stephanie Miller Show"! And the Jones Radio network is NOT happy about it, said my well-informed source. Contrary to myths about the "failures" of Air America, Jones personnel were both profitable and getting respectable 25-44 ratings. From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Dec 6 13:25:09 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:25:09 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming References: <20061206181821.4EA2D1BF287@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <002301c71963$e0dec120$19eefea9@satpro4600> Fear not. Stephanie's show began airing before KTLK started running progressive talk and before the station took on the KTLK calls, which had been on 760 in Denver. There are other studio facilities in LA. Steph et al will probably move back to the one from which the show started. And the KTLK calls may return to Denver. I would think that Clear Channel would want to park them again somewhere. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Glavin" To: "Donna Halper" ; "Mark Laurence" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Donna Halper" > >To: "Mark Laurence" , "Laurence Glavin" > >Subject: Re: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming > >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:11 > > >I assume they are keeping things as "normal" as possible during the > >month, so they can get whatever advertising business is still out > >there. But they've already announced the LA station which is also > >owned by CC and is also changing will be going Spanish... > > Holy crap, Batman...that's the flagship station of the > "Stephanie Miller Show"! > > > -- > > Search for products and services at: > http://search.mail.com > > From aerie.ma@comcast.net Wed Dec 6 13:28:37 2006 From: aerie.ma@comcast.net (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:28:37 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061206182332.4ACBC645AF4@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> Message-ID: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> Doesn't AAR's "the Young Turks" also originate from KTLK? -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of Donna Halper Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:24 PM To: Laurence Glavin Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org Subject: Re: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming At 01:18 PM 12/6/2006, Laurence Glavin wrote: >Holy crap, Batman...that's the flagship station of the >"Stephanie Miller Show"! And the Jones Radio network is NOT happy about it, said my well-informed source. Contrary to myths about the "failures" of Air America, Jones personnel were both profitable and getting respectable 25-44 ratings. From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 6 14:02:46 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:02:46 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> References: <20061206182332.4ACBC645AF4@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612061102n34c8add5xd89da066cdeec5df@mail.gmail.com> This has happened to Steph before; the show she did for ABC, originating from KABC in LA, got pulled from the lineup of her "flagship" though some of her other affiliates, like WRKO, kept running it. A link on her site enabled listeners to continue to hear the show via a stream from one of her stations (I forget which one). Then ABC pulled the plug completely (June of 2000, IIRC) See: http://members.cox.net/rwagoner/columns/2000/mar1000.html From dan.strassberg@att.net Wed Dec 6 14:44:00 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:44:00 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming References: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> Message-ID: <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> I think two of the three Turks work out of LA (maybe at KTLK), but the other one works out of New York (at least some of the time). The show is not heard in New York City. WWRL has a profitable local AM drive show and would not clear the time. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming > Doesn't AAR's "the Young Turks" also originate from KTLK? > > -----Original Message----- > From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org > [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org] On Behalf Of > Donna Halper > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:24 PM > To: Laurence Glavin > Cc: boston-radio-interest@rolinin.bostonradio.org > Subject: Re: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming > > At 01:18 PM 12/6/2006, Laurence Glavin wrote: > > >Holy crap, Batman...that's the flagship station of the > >"Stephanie Miller Show"! > > And the Jones Radio network is NOT happy about it, said my > well-informed source. Contrary to myths about the "failures" of Air > America, Jones personnel were both profitable and getting respectable > 25-44 ratings. > From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 14:25:42 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:25:42 -0500 Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... Message-ID: <050a01c7196c$a5b95f20$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Has anyone picked up KMOX here in the Boston area? I know WBNW is there......but if you get enough away from BNW...can anyone pick up KMOX with any regularity? Don From raccoonradio@gmail.com Wed Dec 6 15:24:43 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612061224j6d0b8a5ep7f2d6aba008bc9d9@mail.gmail.com> Meanwhile at the bottom of an article about the Met Opera, today's Globe quotes a Clear Channel honcho admitting that changes will come to 1200 and 1430 and details will be released soon, as Air America will be "history" http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/12/06/the_met_expands_its_live_performance_broadcasts/ I assume that means the prog talk format is totally gone though the way it's worded it might mean (though I doubt it) that only AAR programs are being dumped. If prog talk does indeed exit, you wonder if the likes of Miller, Hartmann, and Schultz could find a home elsewhere: WRKO or WTKK? (even if tape delayed)...or via a new owner for 1090 or 1510...? From SChace@spectro.com Wed Dec 6 13:32:02 2006 From: SChace@spectro.com (Chace, Stephen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:32:02 -0500 Subject: TEXT button on car radio Message-ID: Hi, Lurker coming out of the shadows to ask a burning question: How does the TEXT system for pulling call letters and sometimes song info work? Maybe 50% of stations in our area are using it, at least for station ID. Fewer use it for song ID. Stephen Chace From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 6 16:57:36 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:57:36 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> References: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Message-ID: <20061206215737.2AFF664481A@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 02:44 PM 12/6/2006, Dan Strassberg wrote: >I think two of the three Turks work out of LA (maybe at KTLK), but the other >one works out of New York (at least some of the time). The show is not heard >in New York City. WWRL has a profitable local AM drive show and would not >clear the time. They are currently pursuing other options for LA and elsewhere, given that they own the rights to their own program. AAR has been broadcasting them, but they could go with Jones or do it themselves. From dlh@donnahalper.com Wed Dec 6 17:00:13 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:00:13 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612061224j6d0b8a5ep7f2d6aba008bc9d9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <004901c71964$58d38670$1a8e3f81@CurleyJoe> <000d01c7196e$e375e5c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> <1fbbbced0612061224j6d0b8a5ep7f2d6aba008bc9d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061206220014.75C256455BF@relay5.relay.iad.emailsrvr.com> And Bob N wrote-- >I assume that means the prog talk format is totally gone though the >way it's worded it might mean (though I doubt it) that only AAR >programs are being dumped. If prog talk does indeed exit, you wonder >if the likes of Miller, Hartmann, and Schultz could find a home >elsewhere: My well-informed sources at Jones say they are working on that, but no news yet. Hartmann right now is syndicated by AAR but I believe that, like the Young Turks, he holds the rights to syndicate himself if he so chooses. I hope somebody picks up Schultz and Miller, since whether or not one likes their politics, both are entertaining and profitable. From markwa1ion@aol.com Wed Dec 6 22:29:46 2006 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:29:46 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> My attitude is that WXKS-1430 should either pick up (1) a good upbeat standards / big-band / hot jazz / Broadway format (something like '80s-era WNEW-1130 NYC Jazzbeaux Collins Blue Grotto - Milkman's Matinee; or like Bill Marlowe's old local gigs) (2) an oldies format that de-emphasizes disco and turns up the flame for 1954-1964 R&B / doo-wop / rockabilly instead. In other words, the "anti-WODS". For a canned format, the True Oldies package abandoned by WCRN-830 a year or so back would suffice. Not perfect but passable compared to the "oldies" farce that is 103.3. WKOX-1200 should STAY IN FRAMINGHAM; go 50 kW day & night and be a news-dominated WBZ-like FULL SERVICE station covering Metro-West: the area bounded by Route 128 on the inside, Route 495 on the outside, Route 3 (Burlington-Lowell segment) on the north and Route 1 (Dedham-Attleborough) on the south. This is a highly-populated and affluent area that needs to have coverage more specialized and local than what Boston and Worcester stations can offer. Concord on 1120 should be (but isn't) doing that job. 1470 that used to be Marlborough's local is now a total waste: it turned into something as flamingly useless as the once-proud neighborhood stations in Quincy (WJDA) and Salem (WESX). The Ashland thing on 650 gets out about as well as a phone made of paper cups and a string. And its format: of course even yet more foreign junk. I think the objective is to make it totally unnecessary for immigrants ever to learn English. We have enough brokered religious stations, political axe-to-grind talkers, and ethnic things. Radio should be a little more fun (a la mid-'60s) instead of the dreary landscape we're getting now. Just my 2 cents. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From wollman@csail.mit.edu Wed Dec 6 22:53:59 2006 From: wollman@csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:53:59 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> < WKOX-1200 should STAY IN FRAMINGHAM; You might as well forget about that; it ain't gonna happen. WKOX will have moved to Newton by the end of 2007. (I, for one, don't mind its departure; now if only something could be done about the other AM breathing down my neck, WBIX 1060....) -GAWollman From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 7 03:49:15 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 03:49:15 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> Boston Herald article says that it most likely will go Spanish, AND there are ads out looking for sales staff for "Rumba 1200/1430". The article says the power boost should happen around August. http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=170893 It would be interesting if the likes of a WRKO or WTKK might pick up Schultz, Miller, or Hartmann, even if tape delayed. Would the Red Sox owners prefer their games serve as a lead in to Michael Savage or to (delayed) Steph Miller (who had aired in that time slot on WRKO before; and recently it was said Savage's ratings dropped quite a bit on 'RKO...) --Bob From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 7 03:52:09 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 03:52:09 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612070052o35518796n3fca451da586bafe@mail.gmail.com> I also wouldn't mind a format like what Mark mentioned (there are some stations like that, 'Music With Class'; etc., and oldies that go a bit further back than a WODS would). But again, CC seems to be going with Spanish and the Herald article said CC has launched Spanish stations in over two dozen markets... From hykker@grolen.com Thu Dec 7 07:26:00 2006 From: hykker@grolen.com (SteveOrdinetz) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:26:00 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061207072101.019daa70@grolen.com> markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: >My attitude is that WXKS-1430 should either pick up >(1) a good upbeat standards / big-band / hot jazz / Broadway format >(something like '80s-era WNEW-1130 NYC Jazzbeaux Collins Blue Grotto >- Milkman's Matinee; or like Bill Marlowe's old local gigs) > >(2) an oldies format that de-emphasizes disco and turns up the flame >for 1954-1964 R&B / doo-wop / rockabilly instead. In other words, >the "anti-WODS". For a canned format, the True Oldies package >abandoned by WCRN-830 a year or so back would suffice. Not perfect >but passable compared to the "oldies" farce that is 103.3. Ain't gonna happen. The early-2000s "real" oldies fad was pretty much CC's idea and how many of those stations are left? The fact is...neither of the above-mentioned formats attract enough listeners and/or advertisers to make them worth the effort. WODS's evolution is what saved the station from irrelevance like so many other oldies stations. If they were still playing Rick Nelson & the Big Bopper they wouldn't be where they are today. Like it or not, Hispanics are the fastest-growing minority group in the country and there isn't much programming targeted toward them in the area. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.5/564 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Dec 7 11:23:16 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:23:16 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061207162318.420FCD2F2@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> At 03:49 AM 12/7/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >Boston Herald article says that it most likely will go Spanish, AND there are >ads out looking for sales staff for "Rumba 1200/1430". The article says the >power boost should happen around August. So you see, I was telling the truth when I said this is what I'd heard. I still think the progressive format can work, but the way it needs to be done is with a combination of live and local hosts and the best of the national hosts-- Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller are both stable and profitable, thanks to the hard work of the folks at the Jones Radio Network, and while we may not see an all-progressive format in the market, it would make sense for some station to pick up a mainstream progressive talker like Schultz, who has some excellent 25-54 numbers nationally and is in the top 10 despite being on some pretty crappy signals in a number of markets. (Btw, lest I seem as if I am shilling for Ed, I barely know the guy. I am talking as a consultant here-- of all the progressive hosts, he is the most moderate, has the most listeners, and understands that you need to be entertaining and not just "preach to the choir".) From raccoonradio@gmail.com Thu Dec 7 11:58:15 2006 From: raccoonradio@gmail.com (Bob Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 11:58:15 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <20061207162318.420FCD2F2@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> <20061207162318.420FCD2F2@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> Message-ID: <1fbbbced0612070858g1764261bvc9e9e92d48bfcb6e@mail.gmail.com> >> I still think the progressive format can work, but the way it needs to be done is with a combination of live and local hosts and the best of the national hosts-- Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller Yes, and I've been mentioning the need for local hosts, too--in a place like Boston I couldn't see why they couldn't find somebody (pluck someone fresh out of college radio, maybe) to get a show going. Of course they were committed to running Miller, Franken, and Schultz so where could a local show go in the lineup? (Unless they put him/her on 3-6 pm and delayed Schultz). WRKO, WTKK, and WBZ all have local hosts; WTTT* and the progtalkers did not (and I mean daily, not weekly...) *--did have Don Feder for awhile though IIRC From dlh@donnahalper.com Thu Dec 7 12:20:08 2006 From: dlh@donnahalper.com (Donna Halper) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:20:08 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <1fbbbced0612070858g1764261bvc9e9e92d48bfcb6e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <17783.36951.307581.572994@khavrinen.csail.mit.edu> <1fbbbced0612070049v1c509ae9u5702afb38a2fe7e4@mail.gmail.com> <20061207162318.420FCD2F2@relay4.r5.iad.mlsrvr.com> <1fbbbced0612070858g1764261bvc9e9e92d48bfcb6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061207172010.29A2244D183@relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com> At 11:58 AM 12/7/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >Yes, and I've been mentioning the need for local hosts, too--in a >place like Boston I >couldn't see why they couldn't find somebody (pluck someone fresh >out of college >radio, maybe) to get a show going. Of course they were committed to running >Miller, Franken, and Schultz so where could a local show go in the >lineup? They should have gone live and local late at night and on the weekends, but they never did. They just aired "best of" programs, which in my view, are boring even if they save stations a few bucks. From dmoisan@davidmoisan.org Wed Dec 6 19:37:34 2006 From: dmoisan@davidmoisan.org (David Moisan) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:37:34 -0500 Subject: TEXT button on car radio In-Reply-To: <2647FE5F644B41368B7576A2601304E0@dot.loc> References: <2647FE5F644B41368B7576A2601304E0@dot.loc> Message-ID: >Lurker coming out of the shadows to ask a burning question: How does the TEXT system for pulling call letters and sometimes song info work? That's RDS: Radio Data System. It's transmitted via a subcarrier. From elipolo@earthlink.net Thu Dec 7 14:36:45 2006 From: elipolo@earthlink.net (Eli Polonsky) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:36:45 -0500 Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... Message-ID: > > From: "Don A." > To: > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:25:42 -0500 > Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... > > Has anyone picked up KMOX here in the Boston area? > > I know WBNW is there......but if you get enough away > from BNW...can anyone pick up KMOX with any regularity? I certainly hear them from time to time, but only on nights with the strongest, most prevalent skywave conditions, and even then it sounds distant and weak. EP From nostaticatall@charter.net Thu Dec 7 15:52:41 2006 From: nostaticatall@charter.net (David Tomm) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:52:41 -0500 Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a98cfbbc0f30b23eb62c2492c22439e@charter.net> I travel to north central Ohio every now and then to see family and even out there, KMOX is one of the weaker 50K clear channel frequencies on the dial. Even WBZ comes in cleaner and stronger than KMOX. So do other distant stations like WSB/Atlanta. Maybe their signal just isn't that loud and it can't penetrate as well through the noise floor like other stations. Dave Tomm "Mike Thomas" On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: >>> From: "Don A." >> To: >> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:25:42 -0500 >> Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... >> >> Has anyone picked up KMOX here in the Boston area? >> >> I know WBNW is there......but if you get enough away >> from BNW...can anyone pick up KMOX with any regularity? > > I certainly hear them from time to time, but only on > nights with the strongest, most prevalent skywave > conditions, and even then it sounds distant and weak. > > EP > From dan.strassberg@att.net Thu Dec 7 18:02:47 2006 From: dan.strassberg@att.net (Dan Strassberg) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:02:47 -0500 Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... References: <1a98cfbbc0f30b23eb62c2492c22439e@charter.net> Message-ID: <001601c71a53$d47825c0$19eefea9@satpro4600> Check the distances. WBZ gets a few extra miles of good skywave to the west because it's directional and, in effect, sends a 100-kW signal toward Ohio. Columbus is about 650 miles west of WBZ, about 430 miles north of WSB, and about 385 miles east of KMOX. KMOX is far enough away that you should be in the region of pretty strong skywave. A good question is whether KMOX does better in, say, western PA. It's possible. KMOX is almost exactly 1000 miles from WBNW. Using the formulas for Class A AM nighttime skywave coverage that the FCC started using in (I think) the early 90s, that's kind of far to get a good nighttime signal. The protected skywave service (0.5 mV/m 50% skywave) of nondirectional Class A AMs (all but one of which in the US are 50 kW) now extends only a little more than 500 miles. For example, according to the FCC, the protected service areas of 670, 720, 780, and 890 in Chicago extend only about 20 or 30 miles east of Buffalo NY. Hence we have CPs for 720 in DeWitt NY (Syracuse) and Claremont NH and we have WAMG right here. Also, there's a 670 in Portsmouth VA. Somehow, though, 780 seems to have escaped. All I know about in the northeast are one or two Class Ds in Maine with nighttime flea power. Until recently, however, there was 50 kW CKXX on 780 in Dartmouth (Halifax) NS. -- Dan Strassberg dan.strassberg@att.net Fax: 1-707-215-6367 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tomm" To: "Eli Polonsky" Cc: "Boston Radio" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... > I travel to north central Ohio every now and then to see family and > even out there, KMOX is one of the weaker 50K clear channel frequencies > on the dial. Even WBZ comes in cleaner and stronger than KMOX. So do > other distant stations like WSB/Atlanta. Maybe their signal just isn't > that loud and it can't penetrate as well through the noise floor like > other stations. > > Dave Tomm > "Mike Thomas" > > > On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Eli Polonsky wrote: > > >>> From: "Don A." > >> To: > >> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 14:25:42 -0500 > >> Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New NEgland.... > >> > >> Has anyone picked up KMOX here in the Boston area? > >> > >> I know WBNW is there......but if you get enough away > >> from BNW...can anyone pick up KMOX with any regularity? > > > > I certainly hear them from time to time, but only on > > nights with the strongest, most prevalent skywave > > conditions, and even then it sounds distant and weak. > > > > EP > > > From SChace@spectro.com Thu Dec 7 15:51:09 2006 From: SChace@spectro.com (Chace, Stephen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:51:09 -0500 Subject: TEXT button on car radio Message-ID: Thanks! That was enough info to google. Found good article on Wikipedia. Related question: Who decided on the categories listed under the "TYPE" button? Seems odd that country was left out. Stephen Chemist and radio buff -----Original Message----- From: boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org [mailto:boston-radio-interest-bounces@rolinin.BostonRadio.org]On Behalf Of David Moisan Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:38 PM To: Boston Radio Subject: RE: TEXT button on car radio >Lurker coming out of the shadows to ask a burning question: How does the TEXT system for pulling call letters and sometimes song info work? That's RDS: Radio Data System. It's transmitted via a subcarrier. From jjlehmann@comcast.net Thu Dec 7 19:05:01 2006 From: jjlehmann@comcast.net (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:05:01 -0500 Subject: TEXT button on car radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c71a5c$8d4a5200$0201a8c0@DHPP0DB1> > Related question: Who decided on the categories listed under the "TYPE" > button? Seems odd that country was left out. Country is one of them, in most radios anyway. WKLB and WCTK both transmit RDS with Country as the program type. Jeff Lehmann Hanson, MA From david.wang@liveair.com Thu Dec 7 20:02:52 2006 From: david.wang@liveair.com (David Wang) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 20:02:52 -0500 Subject: TEXT button on car radio References: <4687CDA6-EB09-4FB9-A676-4A44E1BC4311@liveair.com> Message-ID: > > On December 6, 2006 Stephen Chace wrote: > > Hi, > > Lurker coming out of the shadows to ask a burning question: > > How does the TEXT system for pulling call letters and sometimes > song info > work? Maybe 50% of stations in our area are using it, at least for > station > ID. Fewer use it for song ID. > > Stephen Chace > ------------- > > > The "TEXT" system is RDS in Europe, RBDS here. For song titles and > artists to appear information must be manually tagged in each song, > it then goes from the computer/automation system playing the song > to the RBDS encoder. > here is a sample encoder: > > http://www.sbsfm.com/html/trans/fmb10rds.html > More info on system is available here: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System > > I thought a great use of the system was WEEI-FM who was using it > last year during Sox games to give the score, the pitcher, and > related in-game information. > With IBOC ("HD Radio") this, and more information should be > relatively easy to transmit. > > The future ain't what it used to be. - Yogi Berra > --------------------- > David Wang > President & C.L.O. > LiveAir Communications, Inc. > 339 North Street > Medfield, MA 02052 > 508-359-2700 > 508-359-2701 (fax) > david.wang@liveair.com > > > From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Dec 7 22:09:54 2006 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:09:54 -0500 Subject: KMOX DXing in Boston/New England In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E88D77FC8B5C-C74-5E7F@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Besides local WBNW on 1120, the next strongest station is WPRX Bristol, CT with a Spanish format. KMOX comes in third. That's certainly well below any casual-listening comfort level. In the '70s and earlier, KMOX was easy most nights. This is no longer true. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA << Has anyone picked up KMOX here in the Boston area? I know WBNW is there......but if you get enough away from BNW...can anyone pick up KMOX with any regularity? Don >> ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From markwa1ion@aol.com Thu Dec 7 22:19:12 2006 From: markwa1ion@aol.com (markwa1ion@aol.com) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:19:12 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E88EC4B8022C-C74-5EE9@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> At 03:49 AM 12/7/2006, Bob Nelson wrote: >Boston Herald article says that it most likely will go Spanish, AND there are >ads out looking for sales staff for "Rumba 1200/1430". The article says the >power boost should happen around August. And what exactly is the point to having the same programming on these two channels after beefed-up Newton-version WKOX-1200 is up and running ? Where is WXKS-1430 going to have a superior signal at night ... a one-mile radius around its towers next to the Wellington Circle T stop ? 1430 should be running a different format or just be sold or taken dark to save money. Mark Connelly - Billerica, MA ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 8 00:42:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:42:29 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061207072101.019daa70@grolen.com> References: <8C8E7C713AC6905-A64-1BF7@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4578B4F5.3888.5221DB@localhost> On 7 Dec 2006 at 7:26, SteveOrdinetz wrote: > Ain't gonna happen. The early-2000s "real" oldies fad was pretty much > CC's idea and how many of those stations are left? I thought the format started on some few independent stations, such as WNBP in Newburyport and the old WHAI in Greenfield. I think they were doing "real" oldies before Clear Channel. WATD still is doing them. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 8 00:42:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:42:29 -0500 Subject: WXKS-AM/WKOX-AM Ask For Votes On Programming In-Reply-To: <8C8E88EC4B8022C-C74-5EE9@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> References: Message-ID: <4578B4F5.4867.522255@localhost> On 7 Dec 2006 at 22:19, markwa1ion@aol.com wrote: > 1430 should be running a different format or just be sold or taken > dark to save money. I thought that was the plan all along, once WKOX's new signal gets on the air. But until then, it makes sense to have both stations. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From joe@attorneyross.com Fri Dec 8 00:42:29 2006 From: joe@attorneyross.com (A. Joseph Ross) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:42:29 -0500 Subject: CBA to move to FM Message-ID: <4578B4F5.26342.5222BC@localhost> The current issue of =Monitoring Times= is reporting that CBA 1070, in Moncton, New Brunswick, has applied to give up its AM signal and move to FM. This may be the last CBC station that can still be heard anywhere in this area at night. -- A. Joseph Ross, J.D. 617.367.0468 15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax 617.742.7581 Boston, MA 02108-2503 http://www.attorneyross.com From scott@fybush.com Fri Dec 8 00:51:56 2006 From: scott@fybush.com (Scott Fybush) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:51:56 -0500 Subject: CBA to move to FM In-Reply-To: <4578B4F5.26342.5222BC@localhost> References: <4578B4F5.26342.5222BC@localhost> Message-ID: <4578FD7C.1020402@fybush.com> A. Joseph Ross wrote: > The current issue of =Monitoring Times= is reporting that CBA 1070, > in Moncton, New Brunswick, has applied to give up its AM signal and > move to FM. This may be the last CBC station that can still be heard > anywhere in this area at night. > NERW, Sept. 5, 2006: (http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2006/060905/nerw.html) "*The last CBC Radio One AM signal to bring the news of CANADA across the border to New England could soon move to FM. Fans of the CBC in the US have already weathered the loss of CBL (740 Toronto) and CBM (940 Montreal), and now the CBC is applying for permission to silence the AM signal of CBA (1070 Moncton NB). If the move is approved, CBA would move to 106.1, with 69.5 kW/211 m - and New Brunswick would be down to its last four AM stations." Miss a week, miss a lot... :-) s From Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 02:16:48 2006 From: Donald_Astelle@yahoo.com (Don A.) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 02:16:48 -0500 Subject: Rhode Island former anchors....? Message-ID: <044701c71a9a$19b92bc0$767ffea9@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Does anyone remember an anchor at Ch 6 in New Bedford/Fall River in the late 70's named "Magee Hickey"...and I could have sworn she went by the name "Mikki Hickey" for awhile. Could this be the same reporter, now at WCBS Ch 2 in NYC? http://wcbstv.com/bios/local_bio_201170319.html My memory was that she was "not so great" on the air....and now working at a big O&O.... Then again, everyone looks and sounds better when they get to the bigger stations, right? From revdoug1@verizon.net Fri Dec 8 06:28:47 2006 From: revdoug1@verizon.net (Doug Drown) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:28:47 -0500 Subject: CBA to move to FM References: <4578B4F5.26342.5222BC@localhost> <4578FD7C.1020402@fybush.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c71abc$0763e6f0$6501a8c0@pastor2> I had once read somewhere that the reason the CBC hadn't already moved CBA was that ships at sea were dependent upon it for weather forecasts. I gather that's no longer the case(?). Question: What has prompted the mass move to FM in Canada, anyway? It's been happening for years (I think CFNB in Fredericton has been off the air for at least a decade). Is AM THAT much of a relic? Come on. -Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Fybush" To: "A. Josep